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Re: sussed



I tried this but kept falling over.
Gareth
> 
> just strap the speaker cab to you guitar body and turn it up to 11.
> 

> > Hi I know this is slightly OT but I know there's a fair amount of
> > expertise on this list so here goes:-
> > I'm thinking of making my own infinite sustain system for guitar. Does
> > anyone know how I should rewind my  pickup?
> > Have any of you characters done this?
> >
> > Thanks chaps,
> > Gareth
> >
> 
>   
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Re: loop religion
> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:40:03 -0400
> From: "jmw/cmu" <evening@ulster.net>
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> 
> >Your kidding, but it may be true in some way, any serious observations?
> 
> Actually, I'm not kidding. I've done a fair amount of meditation and I've
> noticed very similar states of conscienceness after intense listening to
> looped material, which is why I made the connection.
> 
> In Zen ( and other buddhist traditions) the 1st practice is counting each
> breath from 1 to 10 and repeating the cycle, starting from 1 again each 
>time
> your thoughts have strayed. Next you may count every other breath up to 
>ten.
> Then just focusing on each breath without counting. Most likely you will
> become aware of the rhythm of your breathing & of your heartbeat. To my 
>mind
> these are all loops.
> 
> Listening to loops for prolonged periods may promote deeper concentration
> simply by virtue of the fact that by not changing (much) they allow the 
>mind
> to
> settle down. Deeper concentration may lead to introspection and 
>ultimately
> you may find very deep significance in the dust particles on the floor. I
> also think that drones work in the same way  (maybe drones are just 
>really
> small loops).
> 
> There have been studies of shamanistic drumming that suggest static 
>rhythms
> at certain tempos can alter brainwaves. The same has been said about the
> rhythm of "rave" music. (Of course in both cases there can be lots of 
>drug
> use which also effects the brain.)
> 
> Lest we mistake "the finger pointing at the moon for the moon" - it's not
> the loops, drones, drugs or practices, those are all fingers that just 
>aid
> us in getting out of our own way. In the end "Buddha realizes Buddha" and
> the eye sees itself.
> 
> Sheesh, see what happens when I answer email before having coffee!
> 
> peace,
> 
> jmw
> 
>   
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Re: electronic
> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:33:00 -0400
> From: "jmw/cmu" <evening@ulster.net>
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> 
> >James made an interesting contribution:
> >How do you think the indians would receive the looping tools to
> >simplyfy/extend their music? Do they use any electronics exept for 
>straight
> >amplification of their traditional work?
> 
> One of my friends, a bansuri player - is always appearing  with new
> electronic gadjets that he picks up in India - he must have at least 8
> different shruti boxes ( drone makers) and 3 or 4 electronic tabla 
>machines
> - one of them even has a tv style remote control! They're all *really*
> funky/clunky.
> 
> So I guess that some players are using electronics but I'm sure you wont 
>see
> Ravi Shankar w/ an Boomerang anytime soon.
> 
> jmw
> 
>   
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: AW: loop religion
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:28:47 +0200
> From: Michael Peters <mpeters@csi.com>
> To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
> 
> jmw wrote,
> 
> > Actually, I'm not kidding. I've done a fair amount of meditation and 
>I've
> > noticed very similar states of conscienceness after intense listening 
>to
> > looped material, which is why I made the connection.
> 
> ok, this might be debatable but there is certainly a
> spiritual/religious/zen potential in a practice of listening, to loops or
> just to whatever is there. To get the complete idea, I'd recommend the
> books of looper Pauline Oliveros who spent years and years researching
> this. The basic idea is of course that sound is always in the here and 
>now.
> Listening *completely* to whatever is there in this very moment -
> breathing, cars, birds - without judging, naming, wanting or rejecting 
>can
> open up something new. My experience is that in this position, listening 
>to
> music rather than to natural sounds is more difficult - music tends to
> transport emotions which are often complex to deal with, and our noisy
> brains are complex enough and difficult to handle already. Of course, ba
> sically in a way there is no difference between music and environmental
> sounds, as John Cage pointed out.
> 
> *       Michael Peters:         mpeters@csi.com
> *       escape veloopity:               electronic guitar loop music
> *       hop - fractals in motion:       strange attractors
> *       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters
> 
>   
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Re: subharmonic synthesisers
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:19:18 EDT
> From: DDemarc@aol.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> 
> In a message dated 4/9/99 12:34:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> steve@digitalm.co.za writes:
> 
> << Has anyone ever tried using a subharmonic synthesiser unit with bass 
>guitar
>  sounds. I have heard them used to great effect with synth sounds 
>(incredible
>  doofs)! If they could work with electric bass I could have the phatest 
>bass
>  sound imaginable. Any comments? >>
> 
> The EH Bass Microsynth has a sub octave control on it which does in fact,
> "phatten" up the tone quite a bit. Use caution at high volumes though. 
>I'm
> not aware of any dedicated subharmonic synths...
> 
>   
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Re: loop religion ==> references? pretty please?
> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 06:39:49 PDT
> From: "Matt Rowe" <mattrowe@hotmail.com>
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> 
> hey all,
> 
> can anyone here point me towards these studies, or some
> literature/web sites on this topic?  where are these kinds of studies
> typically published?  psychology journals?  sociology journals?
> 
> i'm more interested in the shamanistic side of things, rather than
> the rave side.
> 
> matt
> 
> >There have been studies of shamanistic drumming that suggest static
> rhythms
> >at certain tempos can alter brainwaves. The same has been said about
> the
> >rhythm of "rave" music. (Of course in both cases there can be lots
> of drug
> >use which also effects the brain.)
> >peace,
> >
> >jmw
> 
> 
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> message...
> 
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> 
>   
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Re: things that we loop
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:25:23 EDT
> From: Hawkeye255@aol.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> 
> In a message dated 4/8/99 4:11:25 PM Central Daylight Time, 
>matthias@grob.org
> writes:
> 
> to the growing list of sampled (then looped) sounds I would add my list 
>of
> traffic sounds and sounds recorded at a motocross track on race night.
>         Bill Reiter  "Boomslang"
> 
> << guitars
>  keyboards
>  basses
>  strings
>  didgeridoos
>  vocals
>  laughter
>  animal noises
>  samples
>  some
>  everykind of percussion imaginable
>  wind instruments
>  turntables
>  broadcast sounds from radio and TV
>  film dialog
>  found sounds
>  stick
>  washing machine hose bullroarers
>  Toddlers and their toys
>  fart and burp
>  human boddy
>  looping devices themselves
>  window fan
>  reverb coils
>  guitar and bass guitar
>  gutted piano
>  toy flutes
>  window fan
>  "Mega Mouth Warp'r"
>  "The Grossinator"
>  answering machine tapes
>  drum machine...analog & digital
>  kitchenware
>  metal cabinets
>  those whistles that go "fweeeeee!!!!"
>  water jug
>  water pipes under my house
>  video games
>  radio shack laser beam toy
>  squeaky violin
>  garage door
>  record skips
>  rake
>  styrofoam
>  analog echo pedal feedback
>  college students in hallways
>  garage bands
>  buncha toys >>
> 
>   
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Re: Loop da loop ....
> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:24:54 -0500
> From: "Michael S. Yoder" <myoder@tamiu.edu>
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> 
> At 11:29 AM 4/8/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >What is the sound of one looper looping?
> >
> 
> It's the sound of one looper's looping device denying the (loop)ability 
>of
> a second looping device, creating an (in)finite discourse of repeated 
>silence.
> 
> M.Y.
> 
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>   
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> 
> Subject: RE: infinite sustain - a bit off topic
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:45:28 -0500
> From: Hoover Alan <HooverA@tce.com>
> To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
> 
> You can go to the IBM patent search engine:
> 
> http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/
> 
> Look up U.S. patent numbers: 4,941,388; 5,070,759; 4,852,444.  There are
> many others on the subject.  Have fun!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gareth Whittock [mailto:whiteoak@dial.pipex.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 6:25 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject: Re: infinite sustain - a bit off topic
> 
> Hi I know this is slightly OT but I know there's a fair amount of
> expertise on this list so here goes:-
> I'm thinking of making my own infinite sustain system for guitar. Does
> anyone know how I should rewind my  pickup?
> Have any of you characters done this?
> 
> Thanks chaps,
> Gareth
> 
>   
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: RE: sticky stuff
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:40:37 EDT
> From: Synthblock@aol.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> 
> Rodrigo wrote:
> 
> >>im going to be buying a stick soon(12 string)
> now after talking with them on the phone(and perusing the web page)ive 
>become
> confused as to what wood/pickup to pick>>
> 
> I owned a Stick about 8 years ago, it was number 700 and something, and 
>the
> bottom line is that it sounded like a Stick! What I'm trying to say is 
>that
> I'm not sure how much the wood or pickups will affect the sound if you're
> just trying to have the classic stick sound. I'm sure the "standard" 
>pickup
> would be fine.
> My favorite bit about the stick was that the pickup was in stereo so you 
>can
> process the bass and treble strings differently. As a live looping tool, 
>the
> possibilities are neat.
> Good luck with your purchase.
> Regards,
> jonathan
> (http://members.tripod.com/~synthetic_block/)
> 
>   
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: microcassette loops
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:21:53 +0000
> From: "David Dale" <ddale@mail.one.net>
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
> I'm looking to buy some microcassette loop tapes.  Do you know where
> I can find them?  Please let me know ASAP.  Thanks!
> 
> David Dale
> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot 
>lose."  - Jim Elliot
> 
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> 
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> 
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> http://w3.one.net/~ddale
> 
>   
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: EMUSIC Playlist
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:52:57 -0400 (EDT)
> From: billfox@lucent.com (William_B_Fox)
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> 
>                         Playlist for "EMUSIC"
> 
> "Emusic," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each 
>Thursday
> at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in
> Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.  
>http://www.wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html
> 
>                 Show #109               April 8, 1999.
>                 Host: Bill Fox          http://www.wdiyfm.org
>                 billfox@fast.net
> 
> On this show, I continued the month-long focus on British synthesist Paul
> Nagle, a prominent member of the GoldTri mailing list.  The feature CD
> at midnight was "Firedancer" on AMP Records, disc two in a series of
> four.
> 
>         Paul Nagle    :  http://www.softroom.freeserve.co.uk
>         EMUSIC Focus  :  
>http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/focus.html
> 
> The sixth annual Alfa-Centauri Electronic Music Festival will take place
> on April 10 in Huizen, the Netherlands at the Theatre 3-in-1.  The next
> Star's End Gathering will take place on April 24 at St. Mary's Church in
> Philadelphia.  Music of some of the artists who will perform at these
> events was played in the first hour of the show.
> 
>         Alfa-Centauri :  http://home.wxs.nl/~quantumproductions
>         RAMP          :  http:/www.netz-gronau.de/ramp
>         Redshift      :  http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~redshift
>         T-Bass UK     :  
>http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html
> 
>         Star's End    :  http://www.starsend.org
>         Spacecraft    :  http://spaceformusic.com/spacecraft.html
> 
>         EMUSIC Events :  http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html
> 
> ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
> ======================= ======================== 
>==============================
> 11:00 pm
> VA [Bios]               The Dark Journey         Sequences No. 21 
>(Sequences)
> Redshift                Statis                   Ether (Champagne Lake)
> T-Bass UK               Time After Time          Connexion (Thinking 
>Metal)
> RAMP                    Generatorenkonflikt      CD-R from RAMP (none)
> Stratosphere            The Opening Spaces   The Introspective Spaces 
>(Amplexus)
> Eric Snelders           The Singularity Trap   
>TheSourceOfScarletDreams(Quantum)
> Spacecraft              Destination: Infinity   
>Spacecraft(LektronicSoundscapes)
> Robert Carty            Lightpulse               The Mystic Choice (Deep 
>Sky)
> 
> 12:00 am
> Paul Nagle              Firedancer               Firedancer (AMP)
> Paul Nagle              Vulcan's Forge           Firedancer (AMP)
> Paul Nagle              Sons of the Desert       Firedancer (AMP)
> Paul Nagle              Aftermath                Firedancer (AMP)
> Paul Nagle              Sword of Flame           Firedancer (AMP)
> Paul Nagle              Sandalwood               Firedancer (AMP)
> Paul Nagle              Lava                     Firedancer (AMP)
> Paul Nagle              Torchbearer              Firedancer (AMP)
> Paul Nagle              Morning Light            Firedancer (AMP)
> Paul Nagle              Forgery                  Firedancer (AMP)
> Victor Cerullo          Embryon                  Ludus (Groove)
> Victor Cerullo          The Signal               Ludus (Groove)
> 
> 1:00 am
> 
>  * = exerpt
> VA = Various Artists (compilation)
> 
> On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on British
> synthesizer artist Paul Nagle.  The feature CD at midnight will be
> "Skyrider" on AMP Records, disc 3 in a series of four.
> 
> Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the
> EMUSIC pages.  Playlists for every show are there.  Hot links to artists
> and labels can be found in the monthly focus section.
> 
>   
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Re: Loop da loop ....
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:03:28 -0500
> From: "Dennis W. Leas" <dennis@mdbs.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
> 
> I must applaud this thread with the sound of one hand clapping. :)
> 
> Dennis Leas
> -----------------------------
> dennis@mdbs.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael S. Yoder <myoder@tamiu.edu>
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 9:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Loop da loop ....
> 
> >At 11:29 AM 4/8/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >>What is the sound of one looper looping?
> >>
> >
> >It's the sound of one looper's looping device denying the (loop)ability 
>of
> >a second looping device, creating an (in)finite discourse of repeated
> silence.
> >
> 
>   
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Re: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...)
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:53:40 -0500
> From: "Dennis W. Leas" <dennis@mdbs.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
> 
> IMHO, Tabla are one of the ultimate drums.  At one point in my life I was
> debating selling all my other instruments (over 150) and devoting myself 
>to
> the tabla.  Fortunately, this temporary mania passed.
> 
> Tabla are extremely versatile but I find it hard to get a good sound 
>since
> they're relatively quiet.  I usually use a pair of mics.  Good in the
> studio, trouble on stage.  I haven't tried a pick-up yet.  After this
> thread, I'm definitely going to!
> 
> Check-out the "mini-tablas" on http://www.tabla.com/tablahpg.html .  
>These
> might work better for looping.
> 
> Also, I have an udu "drum" that works really well.  Lark in the Morning
> lists them on this page:
> http://www.larkinam.com/MenComNet/Business/Retail/Larknet/Africa .  Mine 
>was
> made by Frank Giorgini and I LOVE it.   I had the opportunity to speak 
>with
> Frank and can vouch for his integrity as an instrument maker.  My udu 
>has a
> small opening for a mic near the "snout".  I use a cheap Radio Shack mic
> ($25.00!) and EQ the H*** out of it.  I find the udu extremely expressive
> and a lot easier to mic than the tabla.  Some useful techniques:
> 1) Boost the treble.  Tapping the udu sounds like claves.  Rubbing the 
>udu
> sounds like brushes on a snare drum.
> 2) Boost the bass.  While clapping one hand over an opening, insert your
> thumb into the other opening.  The further into the udu you stick your
> thumb, the lower the pitch.
> 3) Increase the volume until you're on the verge of feedback.  When you 
>clap
> your hand over an opening, the resonance increases, obtaining controlled
> feedback.  Vary the pitch as in technique 2.  Rock out!
> 
> Dennis Leas
> -----------------------------
> dennis@mdbs.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthias Grob <matthias@grob.org>
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
> Cc: Edgar Silva <edgarzoca@sti.com.br>
> Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 4:34 PM
> Subject: Loopable percussion (was: Tabla...)
> 
> >This thread seamed to go OT, but we are simply looking for percussion
> >instruments that are easy to loop (no feeback and interference 
>problems):
> 
>   
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Re: loop religion
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:12:55 -0700
> From: "Alan Imberg" <alan_i@sprynet.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
> 
> I concur with JMW. I consider myself a spiritual seeker and have read and
> practiced Buddhist techniques for reflection. In a musical context, the 
>most
> serene and freeflowing experiences have been while looping. Have any of 
>you
> listened to a recording of The Master Musicians of Jajouka? The 
>repetition
> in their music is truly mesmerizing when listened to intently. I'm still
> learning about the spiritual significance of music but my limited 
>experience
> has shown me that repetition has some sort of power.
> Alan I.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jmw/cmu <evening@ulster.net>
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 6:03 AM
> Subject: Re: loop religion
> 
> >>Your kidding, but it may be true in some way, any serious observations?
> >
> >Actually, I'm not kidding. I've done a fair amount of meditation and 
>I've
> >noticed very similar states of conscienceness after intense listening to
> >looped material, which is why I made the connection.
> >
> >In Zen ( and other buddhist traditions) the 1st practice is counting 
>each
> >breath from 1 to 10 and repeating the cycle, starting from 1 again each
> time
> >your thoughts have strayed. Next you may count every other breath up to
> ten.
> >Then just focusing on each breath without counting. Most likely you will
> >become aware of the rhythm of your breathing & of your heartbeat. To my
> mind
> >these are all loops.
> >
> >Listening to loops for prolonged periods may promote deeper 
>concentration
> >simply by virtue of the fact that by not changing (much) they allow the
> mind
> >to
> >settle down. Deeper concentration may lead to introspection and 
>ultimately
> >you may find very deep significance in the dust particles on the floor. 
>I
> >also think that drones work in the same way  (maybe drones are just 
>really
> >small loops).
> >
> >There have been studies of shamanistic drumming that suggest static 
>rhythms
> >at certain tempos can alter brainwaves. The same has been said about the
> >rhythm of "rave" music. (Of course in both cases there can be lots of 
>drug
> >use which also effects the brain.)
> >
> >Lest we mistake "the finger pointing at the moon for the moon" - it's 
>not
> >the loops, drones, drugs or practices, those are all fingers that just 
>aid
> >us in getting out of our own way. In the end "Buddha realizes Buddha" 
>and
> >the eye sees itself.
> >
> >Sheesh, see what happens when I answer email before having coffee!
> >
> >peace,
> >
> >jmw
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
>   
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Re: AW: loop religion
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:52:34 EDT
> From: Nemoguitt@aol.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> 
> In a message dated 4/9/99 1:02:29 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time,
> mpeters@csi.com writes:
> 
> << music tends to
>  transport emotions which are often complex to deal with, and our noisy
>  brains are complex enough and difficult to handle already.  >>
> 
> perhaps a study like this can show us the emotional/intellectual "loops" 
>that
> are within us....what triggers them and what happens when they degrade or
> change......when i am physically moved by a beat, or when my body becomes
> involved with the music then the playing field is expanded, (mind,
> emotion,body).....music, loops, can transport us to a sense of the 
>present
> and perhaps let us see the flow of energy within these three disjointed
> aspects of ourselves.......wheres my coffee?.........michael