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Wow, I had no idea Santana fans were so sensitive. if Santana as a cultural event were so influential, I should be able to look out in the world today and see the result of that influence. There should be little Santana clones crawling all over the charts. In case you haven't checked lately, they are not there. http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/bb200.jsp http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/hot100.jsp http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/randb.jsp http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/airplay/modern.jsp http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/electronic.jsp http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/indie_albums.jsp http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/airplay/adult.jsp I'm not saying Santana is bad or that he wasn't influential a long time ago. But "influential" means large numbers of other people are following the lead in the present. Today, right now in the present, I don't see those followers there. The popular music world is not listening to that style. Nor are they listening to prog-rock. They are listening to a parade of female R&B singers, another parade of rappers, heavy yet song-oriented Nu-Metal, another parade of female pop-rock singers, arena rock pearl jam copies like Creed, a bit of aggro country like Toby Keith, and of course, Eminem who is everywhere. I'm sorry if the world doesn't share your tastes in music. In my opinion that Santana album from three years ago was a fluke based on what is popular otherwise both then and now. As someone else pointed out, it was a slick move by Arista, pairing Santana up with every other big name on their hip-hop and alt-rock roster. The fans of all those other stars bought the record too, and Santana got a nice ride. Good for him. But the closest thing I've seen to a guitar soloist in popular music since then is the White Stripes, and they obviously aren't influenced by Santana. Tacking looping onto older artists who's star has set and are no longer relevant is not going to get the concept a new level of acceptance in the world. I'm sorry that troubles you. kim At 09:37 PM 8/23/2002, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >Our esteemed leader, Kim wrote: > >"well duh. Santana is great, but he's old news. Everybody who was going to >be influenced by Santana already got influenced 25 years ago. The "nu >metal >jerk" probably reaches far more people today than Santana has in years." > > >I agree with your take on Vai, Steve, but I think you are dead wrong about >Santana. > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com