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Re: vst loop plugin



I would love to support any beta-testing efforts...  i'm an Ableton Live
user as well..

best,

todd

On 12/15/02 2:15 AM, "Paul Weissman" <paul-mailinglists@nioterra.com> 
wrote:

> 
> great ideas, richard.  sounds like you've got a bit of a combination of
> ableton's live and the little plug we're working on.
> 
> the biggest limitations designing (and using) applications intended for 
>live
> use, in my experience, is in designing the input/control interaction with
> the user.  i personally dislike using the mouse for live performance... 
>it
> just seems to slow/inefficient.  with a keyboard or midi inteface, one 
>hand
> can control many functions simultaneously and quickly.  the trick then 
>is to
> come up with a small, but deep, enough set of controls and have them 
>tied to
> an interface with enough visual feedback to make the abstract controls
> meaningful and familiar.
> 
> and, of course, you want to design something that is practical enough to
> implement.  so what controls do you keep?  which are the most fun to work
> with live?
> 
> i'm hearing the following features:
> - input monitors
> - visual overview of samples
> - loop marker creation
> - loop marker manipulation (sliding, changing length)
> - independent loop start/end point manipulation (almost the same as the
> last)
> - multiple loops (only doing one per instance right now)
> - keyboard loop triggering w/optional quantized trigger
>   (this is almost in there already, only via midi though)
> - loop sequencing
> 
> any other ideas from you guys?
> 
> by the way, a lot of what you're talking about will be immediately 
>available
> with the combined use of a v-stack/console like application and several
> instances of the plug we're building spread out on multiple effects 
>slots.
> nothing is stopping you from having multiple instances of 'looper' going
> simultaneously.
> 
> i'm really excited about these new vst effects shell apps.  good chance 
>that
> they'll be extremely helpful to those of us who do live stuff via 
>laptops.
> 
> paul
> 
> 
> 
>> From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com]
>> 
>> I usually "perform" on signal processors, with input coming from
>> recordings or other players, as opposed to playing an instrument and
>> capturing loops of what I've played. I'd like a user interface that
>> lets me have a visual overview of the sound material and which will
>> give me quick access to editing and signal routing. Therefore I'd
>> like to be able to record multiple audio inputs into buffers that can
>> be either fully independent or linked together as two-channel or
>> multichannel recordings. Then I'd like to be able to loop sections of
>> these recordings either by "dropping" markers or by drag-selecting
>> segments.
>> 
>> Once I've defined one or more loops I'd like to be able to slide them
>> around, either by dragging with the mouse or by assigning a MIDI
>> controller. I'd want to control the start and end points of the loops
>> either independently or as a pair, so I could dynamically change the
>> length of a loop or so I could slide it back and forth through the
>> recorded material. It would be good to be able to do this with more
>> than one loop simultaneously.
>> 
>> It should be possible to define multiple loops within a recording and
>> to assign the selection of these loops to a graphic or physical
>> controller such as a MIDI or QWERTY keyboard. Jumping from one loop
>> to another should be optionally either instant or queueable, so that
>> each loop would play completely through before switching to the next.
>> 
>> A refinement of this loop sequencing system would be to save
>> sequences as presets that could then be triggered. This would allow
>> the creation of multi-loop phrases.
>> 
>> The user interface for this stuff could be complicated to design, but
>> I'd like it to reflect graphically the "objectness" of the loops and
>> loop sequences.
>> 
>>> ALSO... we still need two or three more people to help us with our vst
>>> plugin.  anybody else want to help test/play with an early version of 
>the
>>> above concept?
>> 
>> Sign me up.
>> --
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Richard Zvonar, PhD
>> (818) 788-2202
>> http://www.zvonar.com
>> http://RZCybernetics.com
>