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Re: DL-4 mic vs feedback level



Hi Paul,
You may have better luck setting 'mix' to 100% (or mix and tweez to 
100% if running in looper mode) and then running the dl4 inputs back 
into discrete channels on the board. This way you have just the results 
of the effect running to channels so you can drop out clean or 
processed signal at your whim.

I have had similar send/ret issues, which seemed to have something to 
do with the channel fader not effecting the s/r path.  In those cases I 
also needed to bring down my aux levels to fade. Unless I'm missing 
something, I would say the problem is with the board.

For the expression pedal, I'm using the Boss FV50L. I originally had it 
set up to control output volume of both edp and dl4 simultaneously, but 
I am outgrowing this configuration.  I'm using my DL4 mostly as a 
effects box and less like a looper, and I'm doing a lot more realtime 
parameter tweeking on the edp.

Jeff



On Thursday, Jun 5, 2003, at 05:52 US/Eastern, Paul Marshall wrote:

> Hey loopers
>
> I'm working on material in advance of my show next Friday with Rick 
> Walker
> when he resumes his European tour in Belfast. (I'm a looping 
> percussionist).
>
> I'm using a Yamaha Mx 12/4 desk with the DL-4 connected as a 
> send/return on
> the effects bus.  This allows me to have a number of microphones 
> available
> rather than having to move either the mic to the instruments or moving 
> the
> instruments to the mic too much.
>
> I have been struggling with the balance of the direct mic level and the
> feedback level when looping.  The feedback level is noticeably (I 
> would say
> 10-15%) lower in volume than the line level when the mix is at max.  
> Even
> when I drop the fader for the mic to 0 it still is fed through the 
> DL-4 at
> line level thereby effectively bypassing the main fader control.  I 
> also get
> the feedback signal on one side only (right) with the mic signal in the
> centre, the mic pan doesn't affect this.  All slightly confusing I 
> think
> this is mirrored when I attach the mic directly into the pedal but 
> I'll have
> to re-check this
>
> I'd like to be able to control which mic signal is being sent to the 
> DL-4
> and to be able to choose to hear Mic / DL-4 or both.  It's probably a
> mixture of signal routing and my ignorance of such matters so I'm 
> grateful
> for any help.
>
> Duncan offered some words of wisdom in a recent similar thread
>
> <"we've noticed that the dl4 will do odd things to the "direct" level
> depending how the mix control is set and also if it has both inputs
> connected....">
>
> Can Duncan or anyone perhaps explain the effect of having both inputs
> connected (as I am doing) and any tips or advice which can help me 
> sort this
> out, I'm sure it's fairly straightforward
>
> Maybe I'm routing the signal incorrectly, maybe I've the mix set
> incorrectly, maybe I'm just being stupid :)
>
> One final question, what is the expression pedal that is recommended 
> for the
> DL-4, not the Line-6 official pedal but the 'generic' model. Any idea 
> of
> costs and where-to-get in the UK would be excellent.
>
> Regards loopists and thank you all
>
> Paul
> ----------------------
> Paul Marshall
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>
>
>