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But given that our minds seem inclined toward repetition, I don't understand the theory behind this. Yes, there will be a -temporary- disruption in your patterns, and certainly the opportunity to change the patterns you "always play", but I would expect that over time you'll develop patterns in the new tuning in the same sort of way that you did under the old tuning. I can see some advantage in replacing the "old stale patterns", in the interest of sounding more original, since many old patterns were learned from others (thus perpetuating certain things) and/or are picked up since they're easy to play in standard tuning. I don't remember anything in the GC material that I've read that would really prevent the development of patterns (new or old), only the attempt to replace older ones. It seems to me that the GC Primary exercises are specifically designed to establish patterns within the player's "basic repertoire". Or am I missing something very basic to all this? Greg --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote: > Actually, following Fripp's guitar craft (and other) writings, this >trying > to avoid musical "phrases de toutes les jours" was the main reason for >the > creation of the new standard tuning for guitar. > > Rainer > > Rainer Straschill > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de <http://www.moinlabs.de> > The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de ><http://www.straschill.de> > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de <http://www.dpeg.de> > Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de <http://www.eblah.de> > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul Greenstein [mailto:paul@ubiq.co.uk] > > Sent: Montag, 20. Oktober 2003 17:32 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: new lingo > > > > > > Perhaps there is a musical analogue to this - improvising musicians > > often tend to unconsciously fall back on repetitive patterns (nothing > > to do with looping), which are 'tried and tested' i.e. confortable > > idioms, riffs, chord structures etc. I would suggest that this is the > > musical equivalent of verbal filler - phrases like 'now what I mean', > > and another one which I've noticed recently in UK 'yeh, no' > > preceding a > > statement... > > > > I went to see Robert Fripp play at the Purcell Rooms in London a few > > years back. He was playing for free in the foyer, so I went > > for 2 days > > running. The thing that hit me most was that he managed to almost > > completely avoid the standard riffing and cliche that is so much part > > of a musicians language. He did start playing what could loosely be > > called a standard 'guitar solo' over one loop, but it was a momentary > > lapse. It takes a lot of discipline to avoid this kind of > > stuff, both > > verbally and musically. > > > > Paul > > > > > > On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 04:07 pm, Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/20/03 2:26:10 AM, spgoodman@earthlight.net > > > writes: > > > > > > << Anyway! Ya know what I'm sayin'? Okay. >> > > > > > > In a way, these are like loops eh? A word like ok or anyway after > > > every other > > > sentence would be sort of like a "glitch" loop. > > > Rhythmic iterative patterns perform a linking function that > > are part > > > of an > > > individual's sense of flow. Partly it may be a fear of using > > > pause/silence for > > > emphasis, so the repeated words are there for continuity and > > > sustaining the > > > thought constructs as well as "holding the floor". > > > > > > There is an artist who is using software to remove language from > > > speech so > > > that you can hear what is between the words : sighs, > > clicks, rumbles > > > etc. These > > > also appear in repetitive looping patterns. I don't have > > the url handy > > > but it > > > is called Language Removal Services and there are audio clips, a > > > search at > > > www.npr.org or google should bring it up. > > > > > > BobC > > > > > > visit: www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > > > > > > > > > > > > The Thumb Piano Project > > > www.mp3.com/thumbpianoproject > > > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > > > http://brokenaxe.iuma.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com