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Horace Silver RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP



I really like the "Nica's Dream" chord, the so-called major/minor7 (1,
flat3, 5, 7).
~Tim M


> [Original Message]
> From: Hartung, Kris <kris.hartung@hp.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: 6/21/2005 10:17:44 AM
> Subject: RE: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP
>
> No kidding? I should have known someone would have done something
> similar.  Bravo!   I'd love to hear the recording.
>
> G Lydian....nice. I've always liked that mode. It is the compliment to
> one of my favorite chords to use in jazz and abstract music, the Maj7b5
> (or Maj7#4), which incidentally in most versions of jazz theory is the
> fourth mode chord (by function) in the scale of chords, using the major
> scales as the foundation.
>
> I - C Maj7
> ii - D Min7
> iii - E Min7b9
> IV - Fmaj#4
> V - G7
>
> ....and so on. Most people play a Fmaj7 as the IV chord, but technically
> it should have the #4/b5, otherwise you have a minor second interval
> conflict between the mode and chord.
>
> Now what I really find intriguing is jazz melodic minor theory. Just
> take the conventional system above, but use them melodic minor (not the
> classical version, that descends differently), as the first mode, and so
> on. Very odd and counter-intuitive at first. My friend, Mark Levine, who
> wrote the Jazz Theory Book and Jazz Piano Book has a whole section on
> melodic minor harmony, which I think is brilliant.
>
> Incidentally, if you don't feel comfortable playing the maj7#4 chord,
> you can use it anytime you need to play a Dominant 13th, just play the
> maj7#4 a whole step below where you would ordinarily play the Dominant
> 13th.  For instance, an Fmaj7#4 can be played as a rootless substitute
> of the G13. Fmaj7#4 contains the b7, 3, 6, and 9 intervals of G13 (the
> 6th interval here can be regarded as a substitute of the 13th).  You
> don' need the root if you have a bass player tagging it for you. And the
> 9 makes it complete, otherwise without it, it would be a G7/13. 
>
> Guitarists see #3 here:
> http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/chords/ for how I play
> the chord. It's not at all difficult to finger and feels very natural. 
>
> Speaking of Zappa, he liked to play the Lydian mode a lot. You can hear
> it on many of his recordings where he is playing guitar.
>
> Kris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Southwood [mailto:jsouthwood@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:18 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP
>
> I actually have a piece that I'd conceived of prior to getting my EDP
> 6 years ago that does exactly that. It's called "Gradus." I start off
> with a single-measure loop and then build a mensural rosalia with
> successive passes of multiply with duration ratios of 2:1, 3:1, 5:1,
> 7:1, 11:1, and 13:1. After building the massive rosalia, I turn down the
> feedback and improvise over G lydian for the 2nd 'movement' which
> eventually fades out.
>
> I did come up with two separate scores for the piece. One is an
> 'artistic' score in the vein of George Crumb's beautiful scores where
> the staff spirals out from the center. I also have a performance score
> which implements the beginnings of a notational system for the EDP
> footpedal. (The notation system could easily be adapted to any footpedal
> configuration.)
>
> It's funny, though, I conceived of the piece back in 1993, before I'd
> ever heard of looping, but never quite figured out what to do with it
> until I got the EDP 5 years later. I wrote the piece in my first session
> with my brand new EDP.
>
> I've got a recording of a performance from the 2003 Iowa Composers Forum
> Festival that I can post sometime this week. It'll give me an excuse to
> finally clean up that recording (the original recording was made on an
> ADAT set to 48k and was not resampled when transferred to CD, so the
> piece is slower and in the wrong key).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jon Southwood
>
>
>
> On 6/20/05, Hartung, Kris <kris.hartung@hp.com> wrote:
> >  
> > 
> > Okay, how about a topical detour? I think if I see the email subject 
> > heading
> > "RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics" one more 
> > time, I'm going to throw up...I feel as if I've created a not-so-Tiny
> Monster Ex Nihilo!
> > :)
> > 
> > I introduced looping to a fellow guitarist and friend here in Boise, 
> > Idaho (USA), and he brought this up as an idea, so I can't take credit
>
> > for it. I searched or it on the LD archives with no luck, so I'm not 
> > sure if anyone has discussed it here before either.  So here it is...
> > 
> > How about creating a looped piece by using the multiply function on 
> > the EDP and the series of prime numbers (only numbers that are 
> > divisible by themselves or 1).  For instance, you hit Record and lay 
> > down a 1 measure groove, then hit Multiply and record a 2 measure 
> > harmony over that groove from the beginning of the measure....hit 
> > Multiply to play the sequence, then hit Multiply again and record a 3 
> > measure texture part, again from the beginning of the first measure, 
> > and repeat this process with 5, 7, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, etc measures 
> > adding various textures, melodies, etc. After a while you might have 
> > to write the song out on paper to keep track of the loops.
> > 
> > Has it been done?  Or perhaps the question is why would anyone want to
>
> > do it?  Someone who likes mathematics and working these things out,
> perhaps....
> > 
> > Thoughts? Volunteers? Examples of it already done? 
> > 
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