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RE: zen and the fluent music

Double ditto on the "maybe know"

As for seeing this

: :

And seeing a square.  

That may indeed be hardwired.  However, I would argue that education, 
training, conditioning  or any number of other factors can cause 
you to look at those four dots and see not ONLY a square but any number of 
other objects or abstract ideas as well.

To relate that to music:  When presented with a looped bar of four evenly 
spaced notes that fades up from 0db to playing level, where do 
you start playing?  Where is the one?  Are the beats you hear the 1,2,3 & 
4 quarter notes?  Or are they the "ands" between the quarter 
notes?  Most western musicians would hear 4 quarter notes (western 
software), but there is nothing to stop one from playing over this 
pattern in any time signature, or even eschewing a time signature 

So yeah, I agree that I see a square too.  But what ELSE do you see?

Joe Rut
----- Original Message -----
From: "mark sottilaro" <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:18:57 -0700 (PDT)

> Was the "maybe know" slip on purpose?  If so NICE, if
> not... NICE! ;)
> Anyway, this idea of "gestalt" is very commonly
> accepted in the world of visual arts and design, so I
> think it's certain that it translates to music.
> Humans look for patterns.  There's no doubt in my
> mind.  Visual, aural... in everything.  Does it have
> anything to do with the construction of our headmeat?
> Of course it does.  We're software running on
> dedicated hardware all made by the same manufacturer.
> I feel that in our case new apps loaded actually have
> the ability to alter our hardware... within reason.
> No amount of culture or education is going to make me
> look at this
>        : :
> and not "see" a square although no lines are present.
> That type of thing is in our core program, IMO, and
> that's why music so easily crosses cultural boundaries
> like no other form of communication.  I can sit and
> listen to non lyrical music from Bulgaria or Bali or
> Boston and still "get it."
> --- "loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
> It is an interesting, the Jungian notion of
> synchronicity:     I think it is
> a particularly human perception.   Because, according
> to the
> binary/synaptic model of human perception, we try to
> see patterning in our attempts to survive and live in
> the world and because we imbue those patterns with
> significance,
> we have a tendency to  align percieved patterns
> together and they line up with each other (the Wizard
> of Oz and Pink Floyd's "The
> Wall".................Ted and Jeff's improvisations
> with the premade
> video animations of David Tristram from the other
> evening).    Does it mean that outside of human
> perception that there is a connection between the two.
> Maybe yes,  maybe know.

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