Re: DISAGREEMENTS and THIS LIST was: Re: distortion, overdrive,fuzz,crunc

[Mikkoz <biffoz@gmail.com>]

Wow Rick, you ARE a great diplomat!

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Krispen Hartung <info@krispenhartung.com> wrote:

Crap, how did I do that? Sorry Bill....sorry Rick.  That makes even more sense.

Kris

Ok dammit: This certainly all makes more sense now, even if I didn't particularly enjoy it. Kevin's posting about "Where's the GOO?!" really gets it for me—I just wanted to hang with the topic and find the GOO! (Not hide behind my disto!)  Hell, Socratic-ly arguing about which GOO would have been less tangential and more satisfying. I'll try to use Rick's useful information as a guide. Damned philosophy classes!  They DO change your perspective. Sorry for the disturbance.

I had no idea that's where the term "Gadfly" came from Kris. Damned S-method does get on my nerves dude. Sorry.
 

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Uh that would have been Rick's comments, not mine, I'm more likely to break
out in song, specifically the War classic... "Why can't we be friends Why can't we be friends Why can't we be friends
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 8:47 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: DISAGREEMENTS and THIS LIST was: Re: distortion,
overdrive,fuzz,crunc

Wow, very well said Bill.  Occasionally, we need someone like yourself, or
your brother, to pull us out of the depths of discussion and show us the
larger perspective. Thanks.

Kris

p.s. you pegged me, man. Thanks for the reminder that I am indeed the
"Gadfly", as Plato called his master, Socrates, of the looping community. :)

Happy holidays, everyone. Enjoy the times with your friends, families, and
loved ones.

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Periodically, over the years on this list,  people get upset with each
other about
things they've posted, or the the style with which they post.

I've been on both sides of this phenomena:     I've had my feelings hurt,
or been pissed off about
something someone has written, and I've written things that people have
objected to.

That said and done,   I feel compelled to respond to the current
controversy in the
fuzz, distortion thread in particular and to make a point that I think
should be made about it all.

Viz a vis MikoB's critical post about Krispen Hartungs' style of posting,
I'd like to point out that  Krispen,  who was a philosophy major (or
minor) in college, is
engaging in a time honored intellectual tradition of discourse called the
Socratic Method

from wikipedia:
The *Socratic Method* (or *Method of Elenchus* or *Socratic Debate*),
named after the Classical Greek </wiki/Classical_Greece>
philosopher </wiki/Philosophy> Socrates </wiki/Socrates>, is a form of
philosophical </wiki/Philosophy> inquiry in which the questioner explores
the implications
of others' positions, to stimulate rational thinking and illuminate
ideas.^[1] <#cite_note-0> This dialectical </wiki/Dialectical> method
often involves
an oppositional discussion in which the defense of one point of view is
pitted against another; one participant
may lead another to contradict himself in some way, strengthening the
inquirer's own point.

Kris has caused EXACTLY what he frequently sets out to do:     Get a big
reaction;   Stimulate a discussion;
Get the intellectual and aethetic and emotional juices going.

This method, however, is oppositional in nature and it can be vexing at
times, depending on my own capricious moods.

My father used to be a devil's advocate and it just drove me up the wall
at times, but it also really
sharpened my intellect and my ability to articulate my thoughts in
conversation and in public forum.    I thank him every day for it and the
style still occasionally pisses me off.

Unlike my father, however,   this is a daily list and I can turn off
Krispen Hartung (or Miko B) at will by merely
not reading their posts.     Any email browser allows anyone to set up
posting filters...............out of sight , out of mind.
The daily digest list who posts what.              If I"m sick of a
discussion or just don't have the bandwidth on a particular
day for someone who is a voluminous poster,   I just DON'T READ their
posts.

Personally,  I have taken exception with a few of Kris' contentions
Personally,  it makes me sad to read Miko's slagging Krispen's postding
style of posting and  how this list has been going lately.
Personally,  I've really dug this list a lot lately, precisely because we
are talking about things that we all obviously
give a shit about and are not afraid to stir it up, occasionally.

Regardless, however:
if the little spat between Miko and Krispen goes on any longer,  I'll just

quit reading their posts.

We are a self moderated list.................Kim purposefully set it up
this way.

Krispen Hartung,   Miko B,   Rainer Straschill, , Michael Klobuchar,
Travis Hartnett,  Bill Walker, Jeff Duke, Per Boysen  and
all the people who have participated in this recent past discussion are
all really strong artists, with really strong personalities and really
strong opinions.   It's what makes them compelling   They are strong and
they are not at all like each other.

Viva la difference.....................................................or,

if you don't believe that, just self edit the posters you don't dig.

or.......................hell................................just don't
read the list at all.