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Re: loops with a drummer?



thanks Per,

hmmmm, I wonder what that first one sounds like. I've tried that but it 
always seemed like a lot of button pushing while playing with questionable 
groove results. Do you have any examples of that approach?

Any groove/funk/soul music people out there who wanna chime in? I'm not 
really interested in how the ambient/surround sound people do it.

Teddy

On Apr 1, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Hi Teddy,
> 
> I frequently play with live looping in a band situation and use two
> main approaches:
> 
> 1) LOOPER AS TEMPO MASTER - NO SYNC
> Even though my looper allows several parallel loops of different
> length I do not sync it to anything. Nor do I send a click to the
> drummer. What I do is to make sure I always have immediate acces to a
> foot switch that instantly retriggers all loops from the top. I do run
> effects that tempo sync to the looper and use the good old EDP action
> to set a new tempo when needed: delete everything and start a new loop
> at the new tempo. This approach is good for free playing where you
> need to be as adaptable as possible. If the drummer doesn't follow
> your loop you can just make your loop follow the drummer etc. This
> approach is great fun for stream-of-consciousness gigs.
> 
> 2) LOOPER AS TEMPO SLAVE - SYNC
> Myslef, my loopers/effects and everyone else in the band play at a pre
> defined tempo. Some parts may be pre recorded to run as backing tracks
> or to be triggered in sync by any of the players. This works well for
> me when doing surround sound concerts. Tempos of songs will be running
> even if you don't play. If needing to get the tempo to start with you
> can either look at a visual cue, make some noise into a tempo synced
> delay effect or simply just step on Record and make a non-rhythmic one
> bar loop (add some SUS Substitute points if needing a finer resolution
> "click"). Example: http://youtu.be/GawvbfwHgRE
> 
> I've used these two approaches all the way back since the old
> EDP/Repeater Rack days until today's all-in-the-box laptop rig gigs.
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Teddy Kumpel <teddykumpel@mac.com> wrote:
>> As I read all the posts on this list I'm starting to wonder.... Is 
>> everyone here a solo artist?
>> 
>> Does anyone use loops in a band context?
>> 
>> If so, how? What are using? Do you only make ambient loops in the band, 
>> or do you play rhythms?
>> If you play rhythms and there's a drummer how do you get locked up with 
>> the drummer.
>> 
>> I have my own solution, I've been doing it for 4 years now and I'm 
>> happy with the results... I'm just wondering what other people do.
>> 
>> thanks for chiming in
>> Teddy
>> 
>