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Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack



Sergio, 
You've been on a buying spree ever since you showed up around here...  my advice, stop buying stuff and make music with the cool toys you already have (live, boomerang, octotrack...)

Half what I do that's any good is by making do with the limitation of my gear... on the computer, the hardest thing for me is setting limits to recreate those kind of constraints...

May I suggest you sign up for the Disquiet Junto and use whatever gear you have to create some music for this week's project (coming on thursday):http://disquiet.com/2012/01/27/the-disquiet-junto/

I've been having a lot of fun with it, creating music I otherwise would not have.
 

Sylvain


On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Sergio Girardi <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:
Tod, I did write a lot, here, and on Elektron forums, BEFORE.
I even was writing with Chapelier Fou, do you know him? He was selling his OT on Elektron forums.
He just told me not to buy the OT because Ableton was better, but he told me it was because the OT is too linear for him, he needs to build a song in a way that at the end he can recall a loop he played at the beginning (which he can with Ableton and Launchpad).
So, NOBODY ever told me "hey, careful, there is no undo", and sincerely, the Undo is such a damn BASIC thing in a looper (redo for me too, so I do not understand why the LP2 has got no redo, I would prefer ONE layer of undo plus redo rather than 30 layers of undo and no redo. the thing I most liked on the boomerang was the undo/redo, you can correct a mistake with the undo, or you can use the last overdub as if it was a separate loop, muting and unmuting it with undo/redo, which is SUPER COOL).
ANd I did not ask, because I would have never ever ever ever expected that a looper can have no undo, not something which costs 1200 euro!
But wathever.
I am loosing energy, smile and time.
I will probably give up, since I started all this music thing, I had just problems.
I rather do carpenteer and forget about art, art sucks, as does my fucking italian character.
And OT too!


Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:25:45 -0800

Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack
From: toddbert@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

If you have specific needs in a product, it's best to research it to see that the product fulfills those needs. Shelling out that much dough before figuring that out is a recipe for disaster, and complaining that you failed to read the manual does not help your case. There's lots of helpful folk on this list, and at electron-forums, and in many other places that would have helped you out. 

T

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Sergio Girardi <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:
Pag 2 of the manual, suggested uses of the Octatrack: the first suggested use is LOOPER DEVICE.
So, do not tell me this please.
As also I would like to shut up (sorry, I am angry, normally I am nicer) those who tell me "you should have read the manual before buying it, and would have noticed the absence of reference to undo.
200 pages of manual damn it! Are you kidding me? I still didnt read it all after months!
Anyway.
I have decided to buy a proper looper battery operated.
I have read the thread best battery operated looper, but no comparison made, just names.
The dl4 can be nice because I need a delay also but one loop is no deal.
The lil is ok but limited.
The lp2 can undo but not redo, uff...


Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:00:25 -0800
Subject: Re: About the absence of Undo in the Octatrack
From: toddbert@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


An Octatrack is not a looper. It's a sampler which can do a few simple looping tricks. 

T

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Sergio Girardi <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

THis cannot be true, I must be having a nightmare!
How can I be so unlucky to fall from the Boomerang to something which costs the double and cannot even UNDO a damn wrong overdub?
Did they ever had a looper in their hand before projecting the pickup machines?????????????????????
Any cheap looper can Undo and a 1200 euro octatrack can undo lot of things but not a overdub?

Anders, did you find a workaround?
I try to figure out if I can use more tracks to workaround this but, really I am absolutely and totally indigned with Elektron.



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