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Andy, Per, I think you are both right :) Andy, yes the EDP/Echoloop’s Multiply (and Multi Increase) schemes are fantastic, very logical, and really flexible. Truly one of the many things that makes the EDP/Echoloop so special. I use it all the time of course - but in this particular case, I was really striving to minimize foot taps, and minimize possibility of error and distraction. One tap would be better than four ;) My settings for your diagnosis are likely irrelevant (but FWIW here: Quant = Cycle; SwitchQuant = Loop; Copy = SndMulti, with MultiIncrease = ON) because Per is also right: seems what I am looking for is likely impossible :) I made some admirable attempts using the LG’s programming coolness: sequences of Note On/Off pairs separated by small delays, invoked seconds or beats from switch press… but alas, these proved too volatile as they were highly dependent upon the moment i pressed the switch in the first place. Get it just so, it all worked; a nanosecond off, and the whole wigwam went up in flames :) Not successful in the goal of minimizing error and distraction ;) So I’ve made peace with it now I guess: will continue to use LG for switch presses and program changes, and will revert to EDP-style spooling multiply/multi-increase (triggered of course by LG switch) for those needs. - - - There are still ways to economize tap dancing with Echoloop and LG though: I’ve built a THISLOOP variable, and a COUNTER variable for each loop. This way the LG knows which loop I am currently in, and how many times I’ve been at each one. So now I can use NextLoop to trigger stuff like: “If this is loop 2, and this is my first visit to loop 2, change to preset 4.” One switch, no tap dancing, no squinting at the computer screen :) Thanks all ! Phil :) On Jan 1, 2015, at 9:55 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > > On 01/01/2015 11:49, Per Boysen wrote: >> I doubt it will be possible > > I use it all the time. > Hit Nextloop ...EDP waits > Hit Mult (no. of cycles+1) times. > EDP multiplys by (no. of cycles) in new loop. > > > >> because in the EDP and Echoloop Multiply >> is a real-time process; you really have to let the playback roll all >> the way... and a real-time process can not be made "instant" with >> nifty LG control scripting. > > indeed, it's not the 'instant multiply' as available elsewhere, > ...but I don't think that matters. > > The loop length is defined in advance, without having to wait. > > In practice the only difference is that any input will be overdubbed for > the length > of the new loop. > > The 'Insert' idea won't help, I'm afraid, > it's no more "instant" than Mult. > (You must be thinking of Stutter Mode here, so > it's not quite as insane an idea as I first thought.) > ;-) > > andy > > >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 11:56 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> >> wrote: >>> Hi Phil, >>> >>> On the EDP I just hit Multiply as quick as possible, >>> and it works fine. >>> >>> So there exists the possibility that this is an Echoloop bug. >>> >>> ...but really I need your Echoloop settings to know whats going on. >>> >>> I suspect that adjustment of the SamplerStyle parameter will help. >>> >>> or Quantise? >>> >>> >>> If not, it's possible to delay the LG by a fixed number of midi-beats. >>> Lets not go there just yet. >>> >>> >>> andy >>> >>> >>> On 01/01/2015 09:07, Phil Clevenger wrote: >>>> >>>> Okay all you Echoloop & Little Giant people… >>>> >>>> I’ve spent two days on this problem and now I must come to you :) >>>> >>>> *Goal: To create a command on the LG that will result in effectively >>>> an >>>> “Instant Multiply” like we see on the LP1 or in Mobius. “Go to next >>>> loop, >>>> copy and multiply x 4.” Or: “Go to Loop 3 and multiply x 3 cycles.” >>>> That >>>> kind of thing.* >>>> >>>> For the Echoloop, it’s harder that it seems like it ought to be: >>>> >>>> The problem is, Echoloop/EDP uses “Multi-Increase” to accomplish such >>>> stuff - and that’s great, but it’s also a hassle. If I want x4, that’s >>>> *four* tap dance steps. I want to do this in one :) >>>> >>>> On the LG, I can execute Next Loop, or Go To Loop, and with SndMulti >>>> active in the Echoloop, I’ll be in Multiply mode right away. Now, to >>>> emulate >>>> the 4 note ons and note offs that four presses of Multiply would >>>> make, I can >>>> program them into the same LG switch press… but the problem is, it’s >>>> very >>>> important *when* those commands execute: they must execute *after* the >>>> rounding period after I press the “Next Loop” switch, when we have >>>> arrived >>>> in Multiply mode. Delaying messages by absolute times is supported by >>>> LG, >>>> but that is useless as I will not always be reliably at the same >>>> tempo; >>>> delaying by beats in the LG is useless too, as I cannot use the LG as >>>> my >>>> clock, nor will I always know how many beats are required. >>>> >>>> /The LG simply has no awareness of Echoloop states… / >>>> >>>> So… anyone know how to make an Instant Multiply using these tools? >>>> >>>> And yes - that’s how I’ve spent New Years Eve and the days leading up >>>> to >>>> it :D >>>> >>>> HAPPY NEW YEAR :) >>>> >>>> Thanks all - >>>> >>>> Phil :) >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >