From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 02:30:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20727; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 02:30:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 02:30:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38968718.A3A55ECF@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 02:11:20 -0500 From: :"-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MIDI Sequencers, computers and live acts References: <006b01bf6bd0$39db34a0$fe0002c0@intercom.es.intercom.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1c2bw.0.zD4.lTebu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com samuel wrote: > Do you know some hardware sequencer which has the ability of being > programmed from the computer??? Well, strictly speaking, _any_ hardware sequencer has the ability of being programmed from the computer if you have a card capable of supplying a MIDI out (game port and appropriate cable). You just sequence on the computer (Master Tracks Pro, an excellent program, can be had for US$30), then play it from the computer, and record it from the hardware sequencer. I realize that was not what you were really asking, you wanted the MIDI "loop points" captured for manipulation by the hardware sequencer, but I suppose what I was getting at was that if you want an interim solution, you can download most of it from the computer, then edit the loop points manually. Personally, I use the sequencing capabilities built into my Kurzweil K2500RS, which has some really nice "loopy" features, so I can't be of any help there. Sorry. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 06:04:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14188; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 06:04:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 06:04:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3896BB75.1EE2@club-internet.fr> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:54:45 +0100 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sushi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"d8Ojo3.0.-k2.Jkhbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The MC50 controls my Sp-808, 2 Korg X5DR's, a Korg NS5R, a Korg D8 > digital multitrack, a Digitech Studio Vocalist, an Akai S01 Sampler, a Roland > JS30 sampler, a Zoom ST-224 Sampler and my Yamaha ProMix 01 (I love watching Sushi, Sushi, Sushi ... French food could be also good sometime, why don't you try it for once Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 15:26:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01560; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:26:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:26:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000201191806.28307.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:18:06 -0800 (PST) From: dan sumner To: a a , chris becker , michael bober , Nick Boeglin , Kamal BouMikael , George Davis , Scott Edware , bart ferguson , Ann Marie Guidry , Lorenz Haeusle , Francis James , Amy Johnson , Stephan langdon , THOMAS NEWMAN , michelle Nunez , David POPE <75613.1761@compuserve.com>, Dereck Rollins , stan smith , anita sumner , jason sumner , jason sumner , nick white , Tiktok WorldHQQ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"vwFb.0.uZ6.Eqpbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The government of Afghanistan is waging a war upon women. Since the Taliban took power in 1996, women have had to wear burqua and have been beaten and stoned in public for not having the proper attire, even if this means simply not having the mesh covering in front of their eyes. One woman was beaten to DEATH by an angry mob of fundamentalists for accidentally exposing her arm while she was driving. Another was stoned to death for trying to leave the country with a man that was not a relative. Women are not allowed to work or even go out in public without a male relative; professional women such as professors, translators,doctors,lawyers, artists and writers have been forced from their jobs and stuffed into their homes, so that depression is becoming so widespread that it has reached emergency levels. There no way in such an extreme Islamic society to know the suicide rate with certainty, but relief workers are estimating that the suicide rate among women, who cannot find proper medication and treatment for severe depression and would rather take their lives than live in such conditions, has increased significantly. Homes where a woman is present must have their windows painted so that she can never be seen by outsiders. They must wear silent shoes so that they are never heard. Women live in fear of their lives for the slightest misbehavior. Because they cannot work, those without male relatives or husbands are either starving to death or begging on the street, even if they hold Ph.D.'s. There are almost no medical facilities available for women, and relief workers, in protest, have mostly left the country, taking medicine and psychologists and other things necessary to treat the skyrocketing level of depression among women. At one of the rare hospitals for women, a reporter found still, nearly lifeless bodies lying motionless on top of beds, wrapped in their burqua, unwilling to speak, eat, or do anything, but slowly wasting away. Others have gone mad and were seen crouched in corners, perpetually rocking or crying, most of them in fear. One doctor is considering, when what little medication that is left finally runs out, leaving these women in front of the president's residence as a form of peaceful protest. It is at the point where the term 'human rights violations' has become an understatement. the power of life and death over their women relatives, especially their wives, but an angry mob has just as much right to stone or beat a woman, often to death, for exposing an inch of flesh or offending them in the slightest way. Women enjoyed relative freedom, to work, dress generally as they wanted, and drive and appear in public alone until only 1996. The rapidity of this transition is the main reason for the depression and suicide; women who were once educators or doctors or simply used to basic human freedoms are now severely restricted and treated as subhuman in the name of right-wing fundamentalist Islam. It is not their tradition or 'culture,' but is alien to them, and it is extreme even for those cultures where fundamentalism is the rule. Everyone has a right to a tolerable human existence, even if they are women in a Muslim country. If we can threaten military force in Kosovo in the name of human rights for the sake of ethnic Albanians, citizens of the world can certainly express peaceful outrage at the oppression, murder and injustice committed against women by the Taliban. STATEMENT: In signing this, we agree that the current treatment of women in Afghanistan is completely UNACCEPTABLE and deserves support and action by the United Nations and that the current situation overseas will not be tolerated. Women's Rights is not a small issue anywhere and it is UNACCEPTABLE for women in 2000 to be treated as sub-human and so much as property. Equality and human decency is a RIGHT not a freedom, whether one lives in Afghanistan or elsewhere. 1) Suzanne Dathe, Grenoble, France 2) Laurence COMPARAT, Grenoble,France 3) Philippe MOTTE, Grenoble, France 4) Jok FERRAND, Mont St Martin, France 5) Emmanuelle PIGNOL, St Martin d'Heres, FRANCE 6) Marie GAUTHIER, Grenoble, FRANCE 7) Laurent VESCALO, Grenoble,FRANCE 8) Mathieu MOY, St Egreve, FRANCE 9) Bernard BLANCHET, Mont St Martin, FRANCE 10) Tassadite FAVRIE, Grenoble, FRANCE 11) Loic GODARD, St Ismier, FRANCE 12) Benedicte PASCAL, Grenoble, FRANCE 13) Khedaidja BENATIA, Grenoble, FRANCE 14) Marie-Therese LLORET, Grenoble,FRANCE 15) Benoit THEAU, Poitiers, FRANCE 16) Bruno CONSTANTIN, Poitiers, FRANCE 17) Christian COGNARD, Poitiers, FRANCE 18) Robert GARDETTE, Paris, FRANCE 19) Claude CHEVILLARD, Montpellier, FRANCE 20) Gilles FREISS, Montpellier, FRANCE 21) Patrick AUGEREAU, Montpellier, FRANCE. 22) Jean IMBERT, Marseille, FRANCE 23) Jean-Claude MURAT, Toulouse, France 24) Anna BASSOLS, Barcelona, Spain 25) Mireia DUNACH, Barcelona, Spain 26) Michel VILLAZ, Grenoble, France 27) Pages Frederique, Dijon, France 28) Rodolphe FISCHMEISTER, Chatenay-Malabry, France 29) Francois BOUTEAU, Paris, France 30) Patrick PETER, Paris, France 31) Lorenza RADICI, Paris, France 32) Monika Siegenthaler, Bern, Switzerland 33) Mark Philp, Glasgow, Scotland 34) Tomas Andersson, Stockholm, Sweden 35) Jonas Eriksson, Stockholm, Sweden 36) Karin Eriksson, Stockholm, Sweden 37) Ake Ljung, Stockholm, Sweden 38) Carina Sedlmayer, Stockholm, Sweden 39) Rebecca Uddman, Stockholm, Sweden 40) Lena Skog, Stockholm, Sweden 41) Micael Folke, Stockholm, Sweden 42) Britt-Marie Folke, Stockholm, Sweden 43) Birgitta Schuberth, Stockholm, Sweden 44) Lena Dahl, Stockholm, Sweden 45) Ebba Karlsson, Stockholm, Sweden 46) Jessica Carlsson, Vaxjo, Sweden 47) Sara Blomquist, Vaxjo, Sweden 48) Magdalena Fosseus, Vaxjo, Sweden 49) Charlotta Langner, Goteborg, Sweden 50) Andrea Egedal, Goteborg, Sweden 51) Lena Persson, Stockholm, Sweden 52) Magnus Linder, Umea ,Sweden 53) Petra Olofsson, Umea, Sweden 54) Caroline Evenbom, Vaxjo, Sweden 55) Asa Pettersson, Grimsas, Sweden 56) Jessica Bjork, Grimsas, Sweden 57) Linda Ahlbom Goteborg, Sweden 58) Jenny Forsman, Boras, Sweden 59) Nina Gunnarson, Kinna, Sweden 60) Andrew Harrison, New Zealand 61) Bryre Murphy, New Zealand 62) Claire Lugton, New Zealand 63) Sarah Thornton, New Zealand 64) Rachel Eade, New Zealand 65) Magnus Hjert, London, UK 67) Madeleine Stamvik, Hurley, UK 68) Susanne Nowlan, Vermont, USA 69) Lotta Svenby, Malmoe, Sweden 70) Adina Giselsson, Malmoe, Sweden 71) Anders Kullman, Stockholm, Sweden 72) Rebecka Swane, Stockholm,Sweden 73) Jens Venge, Stockholm, Sweden 74) Catharina Ekdahl, Stockholm, Sweden 75) Nina Fylkegard, Stockholm, Sweden 76) Therese Stedman, Malmoe, Sweden 77) Jannica Lund, Stockholm, Sweden 78) Douglas Bratt 79) Mats Lofstrom, Stockholm, Sweden 80) Li Lindstrom, Sweden 81) Ursula Mueller, Sweden 82) Marianne Komstadius, Stockholm, Sweden 83) Peter Thyselius, Stockholm, Sweden 84) Gonzalo Oviedo, Quito, Ecuador 85) Amalia Romeo, Gland, Switzerland 86) Margarita Restrepo, Gland, Switzerland 87) Eliane Ruster, Crans p.C., Switzerland 88) Jennifer Bischoff-Elder, Hong Kong 89) Azita Lashgari, Beirut, Lebanon 90) Khashayar Ostovany, New York, USA 91) Lisa L Miller, Reno NV 92) Danielle Avazian, Los Angeles, CA 93) Sara Risher, Los Angeles, Ca. 94) Melanie London, New York, NY 95) Susan Brownstein , Los Angeles, CA 96) Steven Raspa, San Francisco, CA 97) Margot Duane, Ross, CA 98) Natasha Darnall, Los Angeles, CA 99) Candace Brower, Evanston, IL 100) James Kjelland, Evanston, IL 101) Michael Jampole, Beach Park, IL, USA 102) Diane Willis, Wilmette, IL, USA 103) Sharri Russell, Roanoke, VA, USA 104) Faye Cooley, Roanoke, VA, USA 105) Celeste Thompson, Round Rock, TX, USA 106) Sherry Stang, Pflugerville, TX, USA 107) Amy J. 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 16:59:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06317; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 16:59:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 16:59:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38975202.65F2@club-internet.fr> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 22:37:06 +0100 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hawkeye255@aol.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sushi samplers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7nfXG2.0.FE7.H8rbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > The MC50 controls my Sp-808, 2 Korg X5DR's, a Korg NS5R, a Korg D8 > > digital multitrack, a Digitech Studio Vocalist, an Akai S01 Sampler, a Roland > > JS30 sampler, a Zoom ST-224 Sampler and my Yamaha ProMix 01 (I love watching > > Which French food specifically would you recommend? pate du fois gras? > outre? fusillier mitraileuse (sp?) char moyen (?) > Instead of always eating some well known sushi samplers, I would also recommend to check out my specialite du chef, le looper a la DJRND2 Very delicious indeed ! And you can cook everything in loops, it is immediate and very testy to play with ! This french recipie can be found at http://web.club-internet.fr/perille Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 17:28:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17129; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:28:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:28:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38975A31.53E1A3CB@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 17:12:01 -0500 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" Organization: Rogue Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Jamman on Auctionsoup References: <20000125214738.31748.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kLzKS1.0.m_2.Bjrbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Auction ends tonight at 8:33 PM EST, current high bid $330. http://auctionsoup.com/index.cfm?Page=item.cfm&ItemID=35501 Please visit Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC http://www.roguemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 17:29:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18557; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:29:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:29:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 13:39:09 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: the taliban is scared now! In-reply-to: <20000201191806.28307.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vSpKu1.0.6x7.9Frbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:18 AM -0800 2/1/00, dan sumner wrote: > The government of Afghanistan is waging a war upon >women. Since the yeah, like sticking your name on the bottom of a chain email is going to have a big affect on the Taliban. this is a well-known urban legend: http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/culture/urbanlegends/library/blafghan.htm Please don't ever, ever, ever spam the list with this type of thing! You can be 100% certain that anything telling you to "forward it to everyone you know" is BS. They are either hoaxes or attempts to harrass some poor person who's email address has been placed in it as the recipient of all the replies. (as this one was.) No matter what, they don't belong on mailing lists! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 18:03:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31814; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:03:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:03:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jo@numerica.it Message-ID: <005201bf6d03$4e8f3200$652726d4@h2v6p1> To: References: <3896BB75.1EE2@club-internet.fr> Subject: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:10:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"sb4Hx1.0.Ua3.Uorbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com tell me something more about using samplers as loopers. I love looping in real time, it seems more "honest" to me. Anyway, especially in structured composition, I miss having loops perfect in the time and in the expression. It is very interesting make a sequencer change the different sampled loops to play on. I use an Edp, a Digitech 2101, a boss gx700, a gtr4000. I never considered a sampler because I'd prefer not to add complexity to my system, but I really would like to know something more from someone who experience it. Thanks, and try italian food (with italian wine). Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: PERILLE To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 11:54 AM Subject: Sushi > > The MC50 controls my Sp-808, 2 Korg X5DR's, a Korg NS5R, a Korg D8 > > digital multitrack, a Digitech Studio Vocalist, an Akai S01 Sampler, a Roland > > JS30 sampler, a Zoom ST-224 Sampler and my Yamaha ProMix 01 (I love watching > > Sushi, Sushi, Sushi ... > > French food could be also good sometime, why don't you try it for once > > Emmanuel > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 17:48:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25608; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:48:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:48:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1d.1d2c91f8.25adef7e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:27:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: JAM MAN Auction closing Resent-Message-ID: <"ZP8u12.0.op4.Ozrbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Jam AMn for auction over at Rogue Music closes this evening. Check it out if interested at: http://www.auctionsoup.com Look under signal processors... Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 18:48:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17435; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:48:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:48:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000201182810.007a8950@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 18:28:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? In-Reply-To: <005201bf6d03$4e8f3200$652726d4@h2v6p1> References: <3896BB75.1EE2@club-internet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"x_3Ht2.0.A72.Dlsbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:10 PM 2/1/00 +0100, you wrote: >and try italian food (with italian wine). >Luca To remain consistent with the "electronic musical equipment represented by foods of the country of origin" metaphor, how does it bode for the EDP that while Oberheim went Italian (sort of), the EDP has become TE's fish'n'chips? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 19:25:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28974; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:25:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:25:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.f91ad5.25c8ce5d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:03:41 EST Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"wV2ML.0.EY5.4Itbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/1/00 9:03:14 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, jo@numerica.it writes: << I love looping in real time, it seems more "honest" to me. Anyway, especially in structured composition, I miss having loops perfect in the time and in the expression. >> luca.......i think the sample feeds the loop.......and the loop allows the sample to grow.......huh?.......:)........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 19:50:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04702; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:50:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:50:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38977C3A.9162510C@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 11:37:14 +1100 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [slimey lame spam] References: <389537F7.8058551@latrobe.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7ktGa3.0.6F.2ntbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i wrote: > > polyp messiah --- > tuesday 8th of feb @ Planet cafe, Brunswick st. > that would be melbourne, australia btw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 20:07:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09673; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:07:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:07:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007501bf6d18$d577bca0$736fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: References: Subject: Re: the taliban is scared now! Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:00:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"dWCDR.0.Ms1.w4ubu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com you tell them Kim!!!!!!!!!!!! no heartbleading crap in this email group. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 4:39 PM Subject: Re: the taliban is scared now! > At 11:18 AM -0800 2/1/00, dan sumner wrote: > > The government of Afghanistan is waging a war upon > >women. Since the > > yeah, like sticking your name on the bottom of a chain email is going to > have a big affect on the Taliban. > > this is a well-known urban legend: > http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/culture/urbanlegends/library/blafghan.htm > > > Please don't ever, ever, ever spam the list with this type of thing! > > You can be 100% certain that anything telling you to "forward it to > everyone you know" is BS. They are either hoaxes or attempts to harrass > some poor person who's email address has been placed in it as the recipient > of all the replies. (as this one was.) No matter what, they don't belong > on mailing lists! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 20:21:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14420; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:21:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:21:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <5f.f4b79c.25c8de75@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:12:21 EST Subject: vortex sighting To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"bXr8B3.0.wn2.cIubu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For those interested. In my recent travels spotted a new Vortex at Moe's Music, Virginia Beach Blvd., Va. Beach, Va. $269.00 You'll have to call information 'cause I've lost the phone number, sorry. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 20:28:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16393; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:28:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:28:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <13.d403cf.25c8e02b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:19:39 EST Subject: fretless/ microtonality To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, taptalk@progrock.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"xVyvg3.0.jU3.NPubu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Recently picked up an Ashbory bass. Looks like a toy but has a great sound - double bass to punchy fretless to unique "rubber bandiness" - and it's fun to play. Been exploring all sorts of wierd(?)/interesting microtonal slides/slurs loopage. Check it out. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 23:47:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12164; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:47:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:47:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <32.b004c0.25c90d49@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:32:09 EST Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"NPtn11.0.Yn1.nDxbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << I love looping in real time, it seems more "honest" to me. >> btw: nothing is made beforehand except the template sequences. The sounds are looped live, then sampled. I love doing it this way, it seems so much more dishonest to me. ;-) If I don't like the way the sequence template is working with my new loops/samples (which happened once), I simply mute all the tracks but 16 (control track for the mixer's faders) and play (trigger) the samples using the pads. Again, it works much more simply than it sounds. And, like most things, timing is everything. Practice makes "mo' better da kind, brudda." hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 23:51:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12827; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:51:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:51:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <6f.9ba3ea.25c90baf@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:25:19 EST Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"k0pX2.0.wM1.K7xbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << tell me something more about using samplers as loopers. >> Live, house lights dim, stage lights up and...I create a loop in the Headrush (single layer, multi-layer, whatever). When I like it, I sample it. It's pretty crucial to hit it "right-on" time-wise. Otherwise, I sample it again, the next time around. All the while the loop is continuing to play to the audience. With my single headphone I check the sample to make certain it's acceptable. Then I kill the llayers in the Headrush returning back to the solo first loop, usually a rhythmic of some sort. Add different layers to it. And when I like that, I sample it too. At some point I improvise a sort of "bridge as I kill or silence the loop in the Akai completely. Then hit sample 1. I can now make new loops and continue this process on ad infinitum et nauseum. Bringing in the samples (of my live loops) as I need to. The sequences are merely templates for the time when several samples have been recorded. I then let it (the sequencer) take over. I lay down the guitar, walk out to a table and join the people sitting there and order a glass of beer (usually). The sequencer (set at somewhere between 10 and 20 bpm) also has track 16 recorded strictly for control of the mixer. This means that when sample 1 is beginning a slow fade, sample 2 (et al.) are slowly coming in. Since the sequence is a template there's a great randomness of patterns (loops). Hope that makes some sense. Easier to show than describe. hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 01:05:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08201; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 01:05:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 01:05:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 21:45:35 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? In-reply-to: <6f.9ba3ea.25c90baf@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"w-2jE2.0.2E1.QRybu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:25 PM -0800 2/1/00, Hawkeye255@aol.com wrote: ><< tell me something more about using samplers as loopers. >> > >Live, house lights dim, stage lights up and...I create a loop in the Headrush >(single layer, multi-layer, whatever). When I like it, I sample it. It's >pretty crucial to hit it "right-on" time-wise. Otherwise, I sample it again, >the next time around. All the while the loop is continuing to play to the >audience. With my single headphone I check the sample to make certain it's >acceptable. Then I kill the llayers in the Headrush returning back to the >solo first loop, usually a rhythmic of some sort. Add different layers to >it. And when I like that, I sample it too. At some point I improvise a sort >of "bridge as I kill or silence the loop in the Akai completely. Then hit >sample 1. I can now make new loops and continue this process on ad infinitum >et nauseum. Bringing in the samples (of my live loops) as I need to. sounds like a complicated way to do what the echoplex does easily with multiple loops and loop copy functions. :-) But however you do it, the basic idea is something I like very much. Taking a basic loop, then creating many variations on it into different loops, all in real time, then switching between them. It gives you a lot of opportunity to improvise and loop in a more compositional way. > The sequences are merely templates for the time when several samples have >been recorded. I then let it (the sequencer) take over. I lay down the >guitar, walk out to a table and join the people sitting there and order a >glass of beer (usually). The sequencer (set at somewhere between 10 and 20 >bpm) also has track 16 recorded strictly for control of the mixer. This >means that when sample 1 is beginning a slow fade, sample 2 (et al.) are >slowly coming in. Since the sequence is a template there's a great >randomness of patterns (loops). Hope that makes some sense. Easier to show >than describe. great, I like that idea. Maybe the next step is to create the sequences on the fly as well! One thing I've also had some fun with is making a simple max patch that triggers a randomly different loop at a steady tempo. On the echoplex I do this by filling all the loops up and triggering them with Midi notes from my max patch. Usually you trigger loops by always having them start at the beginning, but one of the echoplex's sampler modes has it trigger at the point where you left it before. Generally I don't use that mode for loop triggering, but in this case I do. I set it to this one (samplerstyle=run) and generally use longer samples in each loop than the tempo at which max is triggering them. This way, each trigger plays a little bit of the sample in the loop, then leaves it for a different loop. When it comes back to the first loop, it plays the next little bit of the sample instead of repeating what it played before. The result is a constant evolution, where the sequence continues to change. Each time you come back to a given loop, it is in a different place than it was before. And since they are triggering at random, maybe one loop gets chosen several times in a period while another only gets triggered once, so they move through the samples to relatively different places. Another degree of change.... You set your sequencer to trigger really slow, while I like to set it ultra fast! In fact it becomes a granular thing. I like to set the max patch for this setup to trigger loops every 1 or 2 millisecond, so the little random fragments of each loop that get played are all strung together into it's own waveform, creating some really interesting new textures. Depending on what is recorded in the loops, the result is completely different. lots o' fun! and speaking of sushi, pasta, escargot, etc., if you want your loops to be phat, it's gotta be an American sampler. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 02:08:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26072; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 02:08:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 02:08:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 01:01:21 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200002020701.BAA01731@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: nightdreams Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id CAA24293 Resent-Message-ID: <"3X_ET.0.px5.cPzbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com at this hour of the night all I can thing of is a brand new EDP and a Sherman filterbank plugged into it... now I´ve reach it... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 07:30:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18547; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 07:30:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 07:30:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004e01bf6d79$36a33800$709bb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:29:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"0edR91.0.B74.H72cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi kim, It is very interesting what you are describing here. But what is a maxi patch? If you don´t mind me asking once again i would like to know what kind of equipment you are using to create and manipulate your loops. I know I´ve asked this before and didn´t get a response but all i am triying to do is get more acquainted with equipment and ways people are conecting things together.By the way thanks very much for answering my last e-mail about EDP noise, i cleaned up the EDP overdub input and the noise is gone! L.A. > > One thing I've also had some fun with is making a simple max patch that > triggers a randomly different loop at a steady tempo. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 08:34:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04047; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 08:34:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 08:34:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <44.16f1911.25c98a47@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 08:25:27 EST Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"ucMwY.0.yU.i13cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hawkeye, kim, et al: <> along these same (revivifying) lines: i've been loading loops/audiobits into software called 'Reaktor' (though i've yet to do this 'live'..... waiting for NativeInstruments to implement audio-*input* on the Mac version). of late, i've most often been using a seqencer+LFO-driven 'granulator', wherein grain triggering/length/samplestart/smoothing/pitch/release/etc. are locked to the clock of a kinda old-schooly-step-sequencer-thang (whose clock can, of course, be slaved to an external.....) the original 'ensemble'(NI's lingo for 'preset', or macros'n'objects-what-been-strung-together) -freeware- was writ by one uwe hoenig, though i've modified my one a tad. Native Instruments: http://www.native-instruments.com/0_start/index.html really good fun! best, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 10:38:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10322; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:38:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:38:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.20000202102136.00a88bb8@pilgrim.cisco.com> X-Sender: joelong@pilgrim.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 10:27:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joseph Long Subject: Looking to see Live Performers.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"dqOqP.0.-o1.gt4cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Loopers.... Sorry about the wide distribution, but I thought this would be the best way to find an answer..... Are there any performing loopers out there in the Boston area? I am looking to see some shows with looping content (preferably with acoustic instrumentation). Thanks, -Joe ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CHECK OUT BOSTONS PREMIERE FUNK AND DANCE BAND www.funky-town.com **************************************** "GET DOWN WITH FUNKYTOWN" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 13:32:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22554; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:32:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:32:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JTstudio66@aol.com Message-ID: <3f.73bda1.25c9cdd1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:13:37 EST Subject: DFX94 4 second sampler To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 47 Resent-Message-ID: <"CRjcM2.0.gL3.qF7cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone have any advise on using a DOD DFX94 4 second delay/sampler? I just got a hold of one and am new to sampling so any info would help out. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 13:48:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29151; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:48:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:48:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DDAE@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:24:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"QA8SJ2.0.Lm4.aQ7cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WEll, I'm not frm boston but I am doing a live looping guitar gig tonight at the Encore,cafe bloomington, IN from 7-9. Do you want directions ? haha. Well it should be a good show. I'm not sure how people will receive it though. Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com - I am looking to see some shows with looping content From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 14:02:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04779; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:02:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:02:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 10:34:18 -0800 Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004e01bf6d79$36a33800$709bb8d4@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id NAA22885 Resent-Message-ID: <"dkqaO1.0.dc5.4X7cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A Max patch is a program written in the computer language Max, which is specifically designed for use with MIDI and digital audio. It works entirely in real time. If you're patient enough, stress the word patient again, maybe give the ol' word "patient" another nudge, you can learn MAX to the extent that you'll never need a sequencer or effects or samplers or anything else ever again. But you have to be kinda patient with it. And you need a Mac. Cheers Andrew > From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:29:11 +0100 > To: > Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 07:30:17 -0500 > > Hi kim, > It is very interesting what you are describing here. But what is a maxi > patch? If you don´t mind me asking once again i would like to know what kind > of equipment you are using to create and manipulate your loops. I know I´ve > asked this before and didn´t get a response but all i am triying to do is > get more acquainted with equipment and ways people are conecting things > together.By the way thanks very much for answering my last e-mail about EDP > noise, i cleaned up the EDP overdub input and the noise is gone! > L.A. >> >> One thing I've also had some fun with is making a simple max patch that >> triggers a randomly different loop at a steady tempo. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 14:45:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22571; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:45:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:45:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <037401bf6db1$6e4b70a0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:12:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"IGAvf1.0.LL2.X98cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bloomington, IN? I'm up here in Lafayette, IN. We should trade looping gigs or at least recordings of live shows. Interested? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Taaffe, Denis G To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:06 PM Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. >WEll, > I'm not frm boston but I am doing a live looping guitar gig tonight >at the Encore,cafe bloomington, IN from 7-9. Do you want directions ? haha. >Well it should be a good show. I'm not sure how people will receive it >though. > >Denis > >Denis Taaffe >denis_aliengtr@geocities.com >http://www.dtguitar.com > >- > > I am looking >to see some shows with looping content > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 14:50:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25617; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:50:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:50:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002301bf6db4$2fde4560$3d358218@we.mediaone.net> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <44.16f1911.25c98a47@aol.com> Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:32:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"bTVTi1.0.9K4.hN8cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I LOVE Reaktor! The ability to dial out all the latency on a Windows based system is great! Plus the sounds are terrific too- Turned my cheapo midi controller and old ass audio card into the bomb underneath my fingertips! I am very fond of "Dual VCO" and another called Plasma- Thanks for the link- will be looking into that when I get home from werk~ Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 5:25 AM Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? > hawkeye, kim, et al: > <> > along these same (revivifying) lines: > i've been loading loops/audiobits into software called 'Reaktor' (though i've yet to do this 'live'..... waiting for NativeInstruments to implement audio-*input* on the Mac version). > of late, i've most often been using a seqencer+LFO-driven 'granulator', wherein grain triggering/length/samplestart/smoothing/pitch/release/etc. are locked to the clock of a kinda old-schooly-step-sequencer-thang (whose clock can, of course, be slaved to an external.....) > the original 'ensemble'(NI's lingo for 'preset', or macros'n'objects-what-been-strung-together) -freeware- was writ by one uwe hoenig, though i've modified my one a tad. > Native Instruments: > http://www.native-instruments.com/0_start/index.html > really good fun! > best, > dt > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 15:02:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30625; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:02:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:02:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00da01bf6db6$1a814c60$404badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:45:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"jYEYP2.0.hG5.mY8cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Denis, just curious... Lately, I have thinking about crawling out of my self-imposed exile and doing a few local loop performances. My question is, how do you approach a venue owner and convince them that they need a looper to entertain their paying customers? I suppose a demo and bio would suffice, and probably performing for close to nothing. Again, just curious. Thanks, Larry T -----Original Message----- From: Taaffe, Denis G To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:22 PM Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. >WEll, > I'm not frm boston but I am doing a live looping guitar gig tonight >at the Encore,cafe bloomington, IN from 7-9. Do you want directions ? haha. >Well it should be a good show. I'm not sure how people will receive it >though. > >Denis > >Denis Taaffe >denis_aliengtr@geocities.com >http://www.dtguitar.com > >- > > I am looking >to see some shows with looping content > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 15:29:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09376; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:29:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:29:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jo@numerica.it Message-ID: <00b301bf6db7$f593a540$7d2726d4@h2v6p1> To: References: <3896BB75.1EE2@club-internet.fr> <3.0.5.32.20000201182810.007a8950@pop.ici.net> Subject: R: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:58:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"M-jdu2.0.fa6.kk8cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Was it me the only looper using no samplers? Very interesting the situation, there is something fresh in the air... Perille, what is DJRND2? (and thanks for the invitation !) Tim, it's my disaster! I am waiting my edp back from Gibson where i sent it on July the 14th for fixing under warranty. Any has seen it somewhere? maybe it is flying back and forth from Gibson to Trace Elliot! ...since 7 months. Michael, I agree with you. Plus I think feeding (with food, with ideas, with affect...) is the most important thing. Anyway I think I am going to explore this new part of the sea with samplers. Can we make a chart of which samplers and sequencer (if the use of my Roland VS 840 ex is not helping in this case) are the most suggested from this list? We can consider samplers with their own hardware or as pc programs. I would really appreciate this help from you. For me looping is a reflection of my thoughts. Make them looping is the inner sense of make an idea grow without loosing its root and see how much the tree can go high, until it finds that a leave can become the soil for a new birth. I love sushi. Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 14:53:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26521; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:53:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:53:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d101bf6db5$6161a2c0$404badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: DFX94 4 second sampler - One for the archives Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:40:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"mts152.0.Ft4.qT8cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com HOW TO USE THE DFX-94 FOR LOOPING: Most delay functions are pretty self-explanatory, so I'll assume you mean how to use it for sampling, and then triggering the sample during performance. Here we go (with the manual in front of me): 1. Select the SAMPLE position on the RANGE/MODE switch. In this mode the BYPASS fotswitch becomes the SAMPLE footswitch only. 2. Adjust the amount of delay time you want with the DELAY control. 3. When you're ready to sample, tap the footswitch. The INFINITE REPEAT/SAMPLE LED light will go *OUT*. The unit is *now* sampling whatever you play into it. The LED comes back *ON* when the sample record time is done. (If you're plaing along at home, the unit is finished sampling what ever you played into it). 4. Select the TRIGGER position on the RANGE/MODE switch. In this mode the BYPASS footswitch becomes the SAMPLE TRIGGER footswitch only. The unit is now ready for triggering. 5. Whenever you want to TRIGGER the playback of your recorded sample sound, tap the footswitch. With practice (trial and lots of error), by putting the unit into and out of SAMPLE RECORD for one cycle, you can layer more lines onto the previously sampled sound (after a while though, quality deteriorates). After recording a sampled sound, you can also turn the RANGE/MODE switch to INFINITE REPEAT and play back a repeating loop (the whole point, right?) of your recorded sample. That should help, I hope. - Larry T -----Original Message----- From: JTstudio66@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:13 PM Subject: DFX94 4 second sampler >Anyone have any advise on using a DOD DFX94 4 second delay/sampler? I just >got a hold of one and am new to sampling so any info would help out. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 15:19:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05357; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:19:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:19:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <037901bf6db4$68b29c60$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:33:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"F9ByW1.0.3s4.bT8cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is that "patient" as in "I need a Doctor...in psychiatry!" Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Pask To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:27 PM Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? >A Max patch is a program written in the computer >language Max, which is specifically designed >for use with MIDI and digital audio. >It works entirely in real time. >If you're patient enough, stress the word >patient again, maybe give the ol' word "patient" >another nudge, you can learn MAX to the extent >that you'll never need a sequencer or effects >or samplers or anything else ever again. >But you have to be kinda patient with it. >And you need a Mac. > >Cheers > > >Andrew > >> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:29:11 +0100 >> To: >> Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? >> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 07:30:17 -0500 >> >> Hi kim, >> It is very interesting what you are describing here. But what is a maxi >> patch? If you don´t mind me asking once again i would like to know what kind >> of equipment you are using to create and manipulate your loops. I know I´ve >> asked this before and didn´t get a response but all i am triying to do is >> get more acquainted with equipment and ways people are conecting things >> together.By the way thanks very much for answering my last e-mail about EDP >> noise, i cleaned up the EDP overdub input and the noise is gone! >> L.A. >>> >>> One thing I've also had some fun with is making a simple max patch that >>> triggers a randomly different loop at a steady tempo. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 16:22:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30888; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:22:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:22:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130108@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:45:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"V4l0m2.0.O44.1V9cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com don't you think that it comes down to finding a venue that does music somewhat similar to what you're doing (which means that you may have to search it out and hear what other people are doing) and then speaking with the booker??? stig Lately, I have thinking about crawling out of my self-imposed exile and doing a few local loop performances. My question is, how do you approach a venue owner and convince them that they need a looper to entertain their paying customers? I suppose a demo and bio would suffice, and probably performing for close to nothing. Again, just curious. Thanks, Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 18:36:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17416; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:36:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:36:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:32:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00da01bf6db6$1a814c60$404badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"b9xu63.0.Ol3.ssBcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well a good idea (and I play a lot of coffeehouse/bookstore/museum/gallery shows) is to get a tape together. When I approach someone who may hire me, I always say my group plays 'guitar and flute music, with female vocals'. I don't explain that I use looping, or guitar synth, or electric guitar (the sound of all those things is what the tape is for). I think people tend to freak out if you say 'electronics', or 'ambient' or even 'new age' (I am just talking with my experience, with my music). It is not really important (to them) how you make the sounds-just that it won't scare people away. Also, you don't have to play for nothing- choose the right venue (*very* important) for your music- seek ones that regularly feature interesting acts. Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > Lately, I have thinking about crawling out of my > self-imposed exile and doing a few local loop > performances. My question is, how do you approach > a venue owner and convince them that they need a > looper to entertain their paying customers? > > I suppose a demo and bio would suffice, and probably > performing for close to nothing. > > Again, just curious. > > Thanks, > > Larry T > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Taaffe, Denis G > To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:22 PM > Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. > > > >WEll, > > I'm not frm boston but I am doing a live looping guitar gig tonight > >at the Encore,cafe bloomington, IN from 7-9. Do you want > directions ? haha. > >Well it should be a good show. I'm not sure how people will receive it > >though. > > > >Denis > > > >Denis Taaffe > >denis_aliengtr@geocities.com > >http://www.dtguitar.com > > > >- > > > > I am looking > >to see some shows with looping content > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 18:23:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13698; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:23:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:23:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <389930FA.A88B8D20@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 23:40:42 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Kim flint Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b36ou.0._G.oGBcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint explained how he badly treats his echoplex by sending her 2ms apart triggers by midi kim these max experiments could be shared with us if you would be kind enough to post a midifile copy on the loopers site thanks the not so "abdominal muscles" trained Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 19:18:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30621; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:18:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:18:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SketchyJoe@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:06:52 EST Subject: OT:Chaos To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 47 Resent-Message-ID: <"ieuOB1.0.yh6.1RCcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For some reason I thought I would through this out, especially after looking at the book liston the web site. Even though it contains nothing musical whatsoever, the book Chaos by James Gleick has definitely changed my whole musical outlook. The book is essentially a historical look on the developements of the Chaos theory. Considering that all of us here work in a field that exploits random mutations of a system, I thought it would be a great addition to the reading list. The book was recommended to me by percussion teacher who uses all sorts of phase manipulations and feedback scenarios to alter motives. Also, similarly off topic, someone wrote to me regarding the digitech mail-list. Please reply, I would like to get back on the 2112 list. Thanks. Later! Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 20:02:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13100; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:02:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:02:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JTstudio66@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:28:05 EST Subject: Re: DFX94 4 second sampler - One for the archives To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 42 Resent-Message-ID: <"IAyw31.0.yJ.xkCcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the info on the sampler Larry! Anyone have any recomendations for any guitar loop recordings I can download. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 21:03:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01569; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:03:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:03:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008b01bf6dea$7ca53580$404badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: OT:Chaos Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:00:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"6G8m3.0.Zr7.C2Ecu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, the Gleick book is very good (though now somewhat dated). If you enjoyed it you'll love "Complexity", a book by M. Mitchell Waldrop, which picks up where Gleick left off. Another area of interest to chaos and complexity theorists is genetic algorithms - applying evolutionary algorithms to problem solving - like music composition, for instance. John H. Holland's book, "Emergence" is about the emergence of order from disorder, and offers many insights into what loopers do. I'm glad to see that others are into this stuff, too. Thanks, - Larry T >For some reason I thought I would through this out, especially after looking >at the book liston the web site. Even though it contains nothing musical >whatsoever, the book Chaos by James Gleick has definitely changed my whole >musical outlook. The book is essentially a historical look on the >developements of the Chaos theory. Considering that all of us here work in a >field that exploits random mutations of a system, I thought it would be a >great addition to the reading list. The book was recommended to me by >percussion teacher who uses all sorts of phase manipulations and feedback >scenarios to alter motives. > >Also, similarly off topic, someone wrote to me regarding the digitech >mail-list. Please reply, I would like to get back on the 2112 list. Thanks. > >Later! >Joe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 20:51:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29896; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:51:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:51:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000203014244.68774.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DFX94 4 second sampler Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 17:42:44 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"ve5AI1.0.tX6.vqDcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Anyone have any advise on using a DOD DFX94 4 second delay/sampler? I just >got a hold of one and am new to sampling so any info would help out. > 1) Don't use it just for guitar! It's good for anything! 2) Not a lot of loopers have an analog pitch wheel, but this one does. 3) "Repeat" indicates how many layers your sample or loop can have. 4) It's not really good for trying to get the timing of things to match up exactly, but it's great for creating interesting surprises simultaneously. 5) Try layering the same thing at different pitches and speeds, at different intervals. 6) If you loop a solid note on it, then you can play it like it's own instrument using the pitch wheel and the volume control. 7) You can also play it like an instrument by using the triggered sample playback (where you hit the pedal to play the sample) with the volume control. 8) It's the most useful squashbox you'll ever own! Don't ever mistake it for "another effect pedal"! Anything more, and I'll be letting you in on my trade secrets. good luck! Matt Davignon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 20:43:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27375; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:43:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:43:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008101bf6de7$2f243c00$404badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:37:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"66PWm2.0.ng5.1iDcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, as I said, I've been out of it for a while. Naturally, I'll check out the local venues...(Charlotte, NC, btw) - Larry -----Original Message----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 4:46 PM Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. >don't you think that it comes down to finding a venue that does music >somewhat similar to what you're doing (which means that you may have to >search it out and hear what other people are doing) and then speaking with >the booker??? > >stig > > >Lately, I have thinking about crawling out of my >self-imposed exile and doing a few local loop >performances. My question is, how do you approach >a venue owner and convince them that they need a >looper to entertain their paying customers? > >I suppose a demo and bio would suffice, and probably >performing for close to nothing. > >Again, just curious. > >Thanks, > >Larry T > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 20:57:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31938; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:57:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:57:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000203014948.84849.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DFX94 4 second sampler - recordings Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 17:49:48 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"fpppj2.0.rE7.UxDcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Thanks for the info on the sampler Larry! Anyone have any recomendations >for >any guitar loop recordings I can download. > www.mp3.com/mattdavignon The DFX 94 is used extensively in "Lazy Eye" (on records and CD's) and "A Small Explosion in Slow Motion" (on voice), as well as "5 Spots remix 5" (used for remixing). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 21:04:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01664; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:04:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:04:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008401bf6de8$2bbbc730$404badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:44:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"SNdfH.0.LG6.foDcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the response. I knew I'd have to show the tape around but wasn't sure about the disclosure bit. In the past, I could easily lie my way into a place. Things haven't changed that much, I see. ;-) I'm going to start with the coffeebar/university/ bookstore thing first. It's interesting to read the anecdotal stuff, too. - Larry T -----Original Message----- From: future perfect To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 6:45 PM Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. >Well a good idea (and I play a lot of coffeehouse/bookstore/museum/gallery >shows) is to get a tape together. When I approach someone who may hire me, I >always say my group plays 'guitar and flute music, with female vocals'. I >don't explain that I use looping, or guitar synth, or electric guitar (the >sound of all those things is what the tape is for). I think people tend to >freak out if you say 'electronics', or 'ambient' or even 'new age' (I am >just talking with my experience, with my music). It is not really important >(to them) how you make the sounds-just that it won't scare people away. >Also, you don't have to play for nothing- choose the right venue (*very* >important) for your music- seek ones that regularly feature interesting >acts. > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > >> >> Lately, I have thinking about crawling out of my >> self-imposed exile and doing a few local loop >> performances. My question is, how do you approach >> a venue owner and convince them that they need a >> looper to entertain their paying customers? >> >> I suppose a demo and bio would suffice, and probably >> performing for close to nothing. >> >> Again, just curious. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Larry T >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Taaffe, Denis G >> To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' >> Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:22 PM >> Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. >> >> >> >WEll, >> > I'm not frm boston but I am doing a live looping guitar gig tonight >> >at the Encore,cafe bloomington, IN from 7-9. Do you want >> directions ? haha. >> >Well it should be a good show. I'm not sure how people will receive it >> >though. >> > >> >Denis >> > >> >Denis Taaffe >> >denis_aliengtr@geocities.com >> >http://www.dtguitar.com >> > >> >- >> > >> > I am looking >> >to see some shows with looping content >> > >> > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 22:01:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20286; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:01:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:01:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.17d512e.25ca46f1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:50:25 EST Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"M39xg.0.h54.QqEcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/2/00 8:43:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, ltct@concentric.net writes: > Well, as I said, I've been out of it for a while. Naturally, > I'll check out the local venues...(Charlotte, NC, btw) > i've played fat city in charlotte n.c. a few times ................... cool place .......... nice people ............. you should giv'em a call ......... brian electric bird noise sound etc. at: http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 21:56:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18569; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:56:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:56:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000202213813.007a8380@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 21:38:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000202102136.00a88bb8@pilgrim.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zmo2x2.0.Du2.MdEcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Joe, Listmember David Kirkdorffer puts together looping shows semi-regularly (every six months or so) in the Boston area. He calls it the Boston Loopers' Collective. I've only been fortunate enough to make it to one of them, though, at the Middle East in Cambridge... They way he did it was to have each looper play a short solo set, then some duos, then finally a big ensemble thing. I don't know when he's planning his next one. Regarding the wide distribution, this might be the right time to suggest that others on the list try the same thing: rather than trying to get booked on a 6 band Tuesday night to get onstage and fit subtle, introspective nuances between a Nirvana-wannabe band and a Pantera clone, it might make sense to try to team up for an evening of music with something in common. It wouldn't have to be presented as looping per se. We're spread out over a wide area, but there are "pockets" of us that could organize something that might appeal to someone booking a venue. (There are quite a few loopers in the Bay Area, for example.) It would be interesting if these shows could be recorded and made available to the list... Tim At 10:27 AM 2/2/00 -0500, you wrote: >Sorry about the wide distribution, but I thought this would be the best way >to find an answer..... > >Are there any performing loopers out there in the Boston area? I am looking >to see some shows with looping content (preferably with acoustic >instrumentation). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 23:39:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18173; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:39:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:39:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:28:30 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000202213813.007a8380@pop.ici.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"jQcBe2.0.tk3.DHGcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, this sounds very cool. I'm all for this. I think teamwork is where it's at. I'm in the San Francisco Bay area; anybody wants to arrange or participate in something like this, write me off-list. Thanks. | -----Original Message----- | From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] | Sent: Wednesday 02 February 2000 6:38 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. | | | Hi Joe, | | Listmember David Kirkdorffer puts together looping shows semi-regularly | (every six months or so) in the Boston area. He calls it the Boston | Loopers' Collective. I've only been fortunate enough to make it | to one of | them, though, at the Middle East in Cambridge... They way he | did it was to | have each looper play a short solo set, then some duos, then | finally a big | ensemble thing. I don't know when he's planning his next one. | ... something in common. It wouldn't have to be presented as looping per se. | We're spread out over a wide area, but there are "pockets" of | us that could | organize something that might appeal to someone booking a | venue. (There are | quite a few loopers in the Bay Area, for example.) | | It would be interesting if these shows could be recorded and | made available | to the list... | | Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 00:05:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25966; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 00:05:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 00:05:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3899085A.F821CB1A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 23:47:22 -0500 From: :"-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: SlyOT: Eventide Users Group? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"U9lcW2.0.AB5.qYGcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, does anyone know of an Eventide Users Group? I tried www.nextgen.com/eug, but it doesn't seem to be responding to me. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 00:14:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28956; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 00:14:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 00:14:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:59:04 EST Subject: DL4 Versions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"w2Cuz.0.kv5.wiGcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been thinking about buying a line6 dl4 and I remember there being some discussion in reference to different versions and I'm wondering if anyone could tell me what those differences are. Anything drastic? I'll most likely wind up getting one through the mail so I might not be able to check it out before buying but I am curious. Also... how can you tell which version you have? Much thanks in advance (wishing I could just buy an echoplex) jack From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 08:57:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22134; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 08:57:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 08:57:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012e01bf6e4d$de288d80$404badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 08:52:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"wZLBg.0.1a4.5TOcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll check Fat City out. Let me know when you're in town again and I'll lend some moral support. Thanks, - Larry T >> Well, as I said, I've been out of it for a while. Naturally, >> I'll check out the local venues...(Charlotte, NC, btw) >> >i've played fat city in charlotte n.c. a few times ................... cool >place .......... nice people ............. you should giv'em a call ......... >brian >electric bird noise > >sound etc. at: >http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 09:38:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08908; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:38:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:38:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DDBE@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:32:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"SzUhP2.0._x.f6Pcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Hey that would be very cool. So there is another looper around. Cool. Sure I have lots of recordings of live shows. In fact, the show yesterday was taped. hmmm, hey perhaps we could trade some venues where they accept looppers. do you do a solo electric gutiar show, as well? Lafayette, I have been there, near Purdue Univeristy,yes? Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com Bloomington, IN? I'm up here in Lafayette, IN. We should trade looping gigs or at least recordings of live shows. Interested? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 09:34:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04973; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:34:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:34:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DDBC@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:27:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"-Zx7g2.0.JX.J1Pcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, yes, well, for me anyway, I prepared a four song demo on cd-r, a letter saying I'd like to play live,what style, how long it takes me to setup and that it should appeal to guitar fans of course). I also included a 8x10 photo and a press review of my CD. Then you have to check in with them every week or so,till they get sick of you and book you to get rid of the constant nagging haha. Well seriously though, out of 15 places, only 1 contacted me before I contacted them. No biggie just a phone call every week to two weeks. Definitely get the booker's name and number.Also, be flexible payment wise: I have been paid cash, gift certificates, food, not clothing yet but I could see it happening. haha I just played a gig yesterday evening at a cafe in Bloomington,IN and I played for 2 1/2 hours straight without a break, I played lots of guitar solo's, loops,etc. I thought I played well, but the management said I was too loud in the begining of course and that they had a constant stream of complaints from people over 50 about the volume haha,.But it did go over ok with the younger folks, but except for the booker, I don't think there ware any loopers or rock guitar fans there haha. Overall a nice evening of loop-a-mania even for a unguitarish crowd. That's the one thing I have found with booking gigs, is that the crowd may not be into your style and even though you play well, it may just not be the right crowd. but if the booker is pleased and you give 100% it usually pans out. Get out there and play, it's nice. Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 11:37:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10475; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:37:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:37:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.a81e96.25cb038e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:15:10 EST Subject: looping in Ottawa To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: <"oEEbO1.0.2F7.ocQcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I will be plying roots and ambient guitar with Canadian singer-songwriter Douglas September at The Great Canadian Theatre Ottawa Ontario in the Acoustic Waves Concert Series 2 shows only Feb 6 & 7 8 pm... opening for the Wyrd Sisters bon soir, Robby Aceto From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 12:03:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23464; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 12:03:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 12:03:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Joseph Long'" Cc: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: The Loopers' Collective BOSTON / Providence - Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:44:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"Yf0t91.0.3G4.z3Rcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Joseph & Other New England Area Loopers- Glad to make your acquaintance. Through the graces of Ross Hamlin and Open Faucet, I've been pulling together looping shows in Boston for about two years, mostly at the Middle East under the Loopers' Collective or Space Lounge monikers. The Loopers Collective IV is set for March 6 (8-11pm) downstairs at The Middle East. This one will feature The Echo Chamber Ensemble -- acoustic instruments mixed and looped in real-time by uber-looper Dave Barnes. I'm looking to add three DJ's to the show, as a counter balance. The goal is to have three sets. E.C.E. DJ's E.C.E. & DJ's In the past The Loopers Collective has featured Digeridoo, Violin, Guitar, Electric Drums, Guitar Synth, Flute, Voice, Bass, Midi-Xylophone (sp?) and Theremin. I probably forgetting something/someone. Live video mixing has always accompanied these shows by Dr. T. IV will also feature visuals from Karen Albano. I'm planning a Looping Concession Stand at IV -- where New England loopers (and possibly vendors of technology...) can sell stuff, too. If you're interested in selling your Looping oriented CD/Cassette, please contact me in advance. I'm not looking to make any money from this, but no-one will be allowed to sell stuff unless they contact me first. I need to keep some control of this aspect of things. One thing is for certain, these shows are growing and the networking that goes on is half the fun. The Loopers Collective V will be in Rhode Island at AS/220 on April 15. I'm interested in meeting some Rhode Island based Loopers to feature in this show. Interested? Please contact me. If there is enough interest, The Loopers' Collective can perform anywhere in New England. David Kirkdorffer UNDO From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 14:40:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24716; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:40:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:40:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:31:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DDBC@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"GecdL.0.So4.nQTcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ah yes! Happy the gig was mostly successful! One of the things that is really important while playing odd loopy music is making sure the place you are playing attracts an open, accepting crowd who are used to the unexpected. This goes back to the idea of picking your gigs wisely. A crowd used to hearing 'Brown Eyed Girl' might not be the best place to play. Sure, it may be a great night, but it will be a very long one if people seem annoyed that you are there, or worse, don't notice you at all. I have found that an open-minded crowd (they are out there!) will dig anything thats done really well. So go get them gigs! Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > was too loud in the begining of course and that they had a constant stream > of complaints from people over 50 about the volume haha,.But it > did go over > ok with the younger folks, but except for the booker, I don't think there > ware any loopers or rock guitar fans there haha. Overall a nice evening of > loop-a-mania even for a unguitarish crowd. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 18:18:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29340; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:18:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:18:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <44.177b65f.25cb5506@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 17:02:46 EST Subject: Re: The Loopers' Collective BOSTON / Providence - Looking to see Live Perform... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"77lmt1.0.OP4.HiVcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/3/00 12:03:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, DKirkdorffer@exapps.com writes: > I'm planning a Looping Concession Stand at IV -- where New England loopers > (and possibly vendors of technology...) can sell stuff, too. If you're > interested in selling your Looping oriented CD/Cassette, please contact me > hey david, if it's all right i'd like to send you a few copies of our "unleashing the inner robot" cd to put out on the looping concession stand thoughts? thanks! brian electric bird noise http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 19:04:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18005; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 19:04:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 19:04:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000203230544.21312.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 15:05:44 -0800 (PST) From: alias crossings Subject: Re: will calhoun w/D torn@knitting fact. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"tY7AJ.0.901.tzWcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Did anyone see the gig (Spattercell Feat. Will Calhoun and David Torn) @knitting factory ? I wonder if someone would be able to help me in finding out what kind of samplers ("loopers"), controllers, sequencers were apart of W Calhoun's setup. And David Torns ambient noise producing devices.. are any analag electronic stuff part of David's rig. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 20:48:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30199; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:48:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:48:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:40:55 -0500 (EST) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. (promo) In-Reply-To: <008101bf6de7$2f243c00$404badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"moVEh3.0.-96.HvYcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well I'll be doing a few shows this month if anybody's around Seattle. I'll even be lecturing about composition (including looping) to the Washington Composer's Forum next week. More details are on my pageS: http://www.intonarumori.com/performances.html Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 00:13:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09729; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:13:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:13:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <1c.ae6559.25cbb7e2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:04:34 EST Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. (promo) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"K_lqD3.0.b41.Dubcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Did I mention that I'll be appearing nowhere in public at all, in any musical capacity, at any time in the near or distant future? I thought I might have,but wanted to make sure the word got out. Bryan Helm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 01:07:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03436; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 01:07:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 01:07:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009e01bf6ed5$edb932d0$7a4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. (promo) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 01:06:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"yB_aa2.0._l7.9kccu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Word of mouth seems to be working fine. ;) >Did I mention that I'll be appearing nowhere in public at all, in any musical >capacity, >at any time in the near or distant future? I thought I might have,but wanted >to make >sure the word got out. > Bryan Helm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 06:27:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16522; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 06:27:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 06:27:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <013401bf6f02$05dab420$8e02a8c0@voulaz> From: "Stefano Voulaz" To: References: <3896BB75.1EE2@club-internet.fr> <3.0.5.32.20000201182810.007a8950@pop.ici.net> <00b301bf6db7$f593a540$7d2726d4@h2v6p1> Subject: R: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:21:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"jZKL01.0.OQ3.dLhcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ciao Luca, mi chiamo Stefano e seguo da tempo la lista dei Loopers, piy che altro come osservatore. Ho pensato ti facesse piacere sapere che non sei l'unico looper italiano! Sono riuscito anch'io a mettere le mani su un EDP (usato) e in effetti e' una macchina molto interessante. Sono un progettista HW/SW e sto lavorando (a titolo personale e nel poco tempo libero che ho) a un'unita' simile, ma stereofonica, 48KHz e con un multieffetto integrato. Mi e' parso di capire che hai avuto qualche problema con il tuo EDP: se riesci a ricuperarlo (!), potrei vedere di farci qualcosa (il mio si guasto' tempo fa e dovetti sostituire la CPU). Parlando di cose meno tecniche, mi piacerebbe sapere se riesci a suonare in giro e che tipo di musica fai. Per quanto mi riguarda, fino ad oggi sono rimasto al coperto, ma a fine aprile suonero' in un teatro della zona accompagnato da una ballerina. Si tratta di una serie di improvvisazioni sonore danzate, ritmiche e non, di sola chitarra (forse qualche percussione triggerata con sensori sul corpo). Niente di assolutamente nuovo, ma comunque un bell'esperimento. Fatti vivo, se te ne va: io sto ad Ancona, ma giro parecchio, quindi non e' detto che non ci si riesca a vedere! Ariciao! Stefano Voulaz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 07:58:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15063; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 07:58:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 07:58:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <015001bf6f0b$66083300$8e02a8c0@voulaz> From: "Stefano Voulaz" To: References: <3896BB75.1EE2@club-internet.fr> <3.0.5.32.20000201182810.007a8950@pop.ici.net> <00b301bf6db7$f593a540$7d2726d4@h2v6p1> Subject: R: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:28:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"FAVNV2.0.3B1.cKicu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OOOPS! :-O Sorry for the wrong post... BTW, ciao to everybody! Stefano From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 09:07:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10303; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:07:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:07:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:44:17 EST Subject: akai headrush To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"xQmlV2.0.SM.OVjcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i checked out the past postings on this box and am very interested in buying one. i would like to know if anyone has found any problems with this unit before i commit the cash to it. Thank Yee All, Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 09:23:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15190; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:23:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:23:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DDD8@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. (promo) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:02:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"vAbwL1.0.RX1.lmjcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Now that is some cool news.I'll defnitely check this out. DT Did I mention that I'll be appearing nowhere in public at all, in any musical capacity, at any time in the near or distant future? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 10:27:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07083; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:27:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:27:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DDE5@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: new 5 song live EP Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:20:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"54vYb.0.BH1.cvkcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Hey I have a newly released 5 song from the "live solo electric guitar shows" I have been doing which uses lots of guitar loops.It's a live ep for sale at mp3.com for $5.99.It's a D.A.M CD, basically when you buy it, mp3.com will send you the 5 songs as mp3's, but they also send via snail mail the CD (or is it a CD-r?, not sure). Well, anyway one of the songs is available for free download/preview but the rest only come with the CD. I thought this was kind of neat. Anyone else have D.A.M CD's available? If not, maybe it is worthwhile to create one,no? Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com ---- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 10:28:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07207; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:28:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:28:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000204101134.007a7760@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 10:11:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: akai headrush In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sad0G2.0.nv7.Xlkcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I like mine a lot, but it does have its limitations. Seems an awful lot of people are trading in their Headrushes for DL4's. My Headrush has been very dependable, and any problems I've had with it aren't really its fault. For example, it tends to break up pretty easily on bassy content, but I've found that's more a gain-staging thing that you'll find with ANY looper. Also, some users have complained that it's not a true bypass, but I haven't found that to be a huge problem. The Headrush is easy to use, and it's very rugged. The sample rate (and therefore the sound quality) is excellent. If you're looking for lots of features or more loop time (the 23.8 seconds claimed for the Headrush is cut in half if you intend to do any layering), you might be better spending a little more for something more versatile, but the 'rush certainly does what it's advertised to do, and even if you do eventually upgrade to a more full-featured looper, you'd still probably find the Headrush useful somewhere in your setup. People have tried mine, then bought one of their own, so if you can find someone who's got one, you might want to play with it for a while, as they can be kind of hard to find in stores. (Everyone I know who has one got it through mail-order...) Tim At 08:44 AM 2/4/00 EST, you wrote: >i checked out the past postings on this box and am very interested in buying >one. i would like to know if anyone has found any problems with this unit >before i commit the cash to it. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 10:47:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16265; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:47:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:47:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DDE6@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "Taaffe, Denis G" , "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: new 5 song live EP Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:24:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"vVHhj1.0.dN1.lykcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com oops I forgot, the url for my live ep is http://www.mp3.com/denis_taaffe . -----Original Message----- From: Taaffe, Denis G Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 10:21 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Subject: new 5 song live EP Hello, Hey I have a newly released 5 song from the "live solo electric guitar shows" I have been doing which uses lots of guitar loops.It's a live ep for sale at mp3.com for $5.99.It's a D.A.M CD, basically when you buy it, mp3.com will send you the 5 songs as mp3's, but they also send via snail mail the CD (or is it a CD-r?, not sure). Well, anyway one of the songs is available for free download/preview but the rest only come with the CD. I thought this was kind of neat. Anyone else have D.A.M CD's available? If not, maybe it is worthwhile to create one,no? Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com ---- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 11:02:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20638; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:02:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:02:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 07:55:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <013401bf6f02$05dab420$8e02a8c0@voulaz> Resent-Message-ID: <"asnGv2.0.AS4.WPlcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I can't understand a word he said, but I like it. | -----Original Message----- | From: Stefano Voulaz [mailto:voulaz@korg.it] | Sent: Friday 04 February 2000 3:22 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: R: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? | | | Ciao Luca, | mi chiamo Stefano e seguo da tempo la lista dei Loopers, piy | che altro come | osservatore. Ho pensato ti facesse piacere sapere che non sei ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 11:50:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08738; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:50:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:50:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 10:32:58 -0600 Subject: PMC-10, ebay From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1EJHM.0.RE.Gzlcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The legendary controller: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250096027 TH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 12:04:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13987; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:04:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:04:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: NoelG26@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:54:04 EST Subject: Re: akai headrush To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"Lv5MA.0.oX2.GHmcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i own one, and so far i am extremely happy with it. the only thing i noticed is that when you loop using destortion on your amp, and play the lead, it cuts out the rythum part ( or the loop), but, the good thing is, that if you use a destortion pedal, it works fine! reese From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 12:22:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22148; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:22:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:22:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <389B08B9.F1601401@engin.umich.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 12:13:36 -0500 From: Darcy Clark Reply-To: darcyc@engin.umich.edu Organization: MSE, Umich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: [OT] Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y-Xst.0.Ut4.zYmcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using babelfish.altavista.com translate gives : Hello Luca, I call Stefano and I for a long time follow the list of the Loopers, piy that other like observer. I have thought made it appeal to you to know that not six.. hmmm...babelfish obviously needs work ;) Darcy "Javier Miranda V." wrote: > > I can't understand a word he said, but I like it. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Stefano Voulaz [mailto:voulaz@korg.it] > | Sent: Friday 04 February 2000 3:22 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: R: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? > | > | > | Ciao Luca, > | mi chiamo Stefano e seguo da tempo la lista dei Loopers, piy > | che altro come > | osservatore. Ho pensato ti facesse piacere sapere che non sei ... -- --------------------------------------------------- Ph: (734) 764 3377 Email: darcyc@engin.umich.edu URL: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ --------------------------------------------------- 'If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate' ..... Steven Wright From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 12:21:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22082; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:21:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:21:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <381074183.949684339650.JavaMail.root@web19.pub01> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:12:19 -0500 (EST) From: lar To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Korg AX1G User Manual in text-only Format Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 142.145.234.182 Resent-Message-ID: <"vP7wH2.0.4i4.sXmcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I own and enjoy a Korg AX1G multi-effects unit, but have come across a number of users who have lost or don't have the factory printed User Manual. For those who would like an (unofficial/unauthorized) text version of the manual, for a limited time you can go to the link below and save a copy for yourself. I have found it quite useful, especially considering that, for some reason, Korg hasn't posted the manual to the web. Except for the lack of illustrations, this text-only version is apparently pretty faithful to the factory printed manual. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Canyon/9347/AX1Gmanual.html ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 14:42:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13747; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:42:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:42:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000204142911.007aede0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:29:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Stuck in the Middle Problem In-Reply-To: <006d01bf6977$d48d06a0$200e1fac@Eskilstuna.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"cDdp-.0.sY1.4Xocu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Help! I'm perplexed. Perhaps this has happened to you: My looping rack includes a poly synth, a mono synth, a DBX 266 compressor, an Alesis SR-16, a MiniDisc deck, a graphic EQ (not hooked up right now due to a patch cord shortage), a SansAmp, a Korg SDD-1000 for short loops, an ART ProVerb and a Headrush, all connected to a Spirit Folio board. (Yes, they're all in one rack; it's huge, but it's on wheels and everything stays plugged in so I can set up in two minutes. It's called the missioncontrolherniamaker...) Guitar, bass and theremin go into the mixer through a separate on-the-floor pedalboard which also splits off to a separate guitar amp, and sometimes I plug a mic into the board to loop flutes, didgeridu and the odd acoustic thingy when I'm in a low-noise setting (not all that often...). (Clowns to the left of me...) Here's the problem: until today, I amplified the stuff in the rack by sending two lines out from the board to two separate bass amps, each with cabs. A couple of hours ago, I put a stereo power amp (a one-space 90w/ch Electar EPA-200) into the rack, the idea being that I'd get a cleaner full-range sound and would no longer have to carry two bass heads around. It sounds fine, BUT only if I keep all my pans exactly centered and keep my two output faders at exactly the same level, otherwise I get horrible distortion. (I actually like ugly, mangled distortion sometimes when used sparingly, but this is overboard and useless...) I'm also finding that I can't use either of the stereo channels (the MiniDisc deck and the drum machine) for the same reason, and that's not good. (Jokers to the right...) Obviously this defeats the whole purpose of running in stereo. Ordinarily, I like to be able to position my two loopers at different places in the stereo field, and also tend to pan powerful bassy sounds away from more subtle stuff that would otherwise get swamped. (Here I am...) I've already double-checked the wiring to ensure that the polarity is all copacetic and everything, the amp's mono/bridge switch is in the correct position, the board's not overloading, the input levels are fine; I can't find a problem... (Stuck in the middle in MONO...) What shoulds me do? Can anyone help me segue that Stealer's Wheel tune into the Cars' "Moving In Stereo"? (Not that that's such a great tune or anything, but you get the point...) Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 17:13:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09969; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:13:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:13:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:02:28 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loop Fest 2 - - The Spawning! Sunday 2-13, 8:30pm... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id RAA04260 Resent-Message-ID: <"UGfgH.0.o21.zpqcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Looping gig alert... Gary Hull, Bill Walker, Miko B. and Rick Walker will be performing solo sets (in that order) Sunday 2-13, at the Bulkhead Gallery, 130 Bulkhead St. Santa Cruz, CA. (near the town clock and down the street from Skateworks). Admission is a sliding 3-5 bucks and the event starts at 8:30pm Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 18:31:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06495; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:31:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:31:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:23:59 EST Subject: Re: Loop Fest 2 - - The Spawning! Sunday 2-13, 8:30pm... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"WAWqo3.0.Ss.u-rcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/4/00 8:13:15 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: << Admission is a sliding 3-5 bucks >> mnm.......i would like one 3 buck and one 4 buck seat........can you fix me up?........mnm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 19:09:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22596; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:09:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:09:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 15:59:40 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Nemoguitt@aol.com Subject: Re: Loop Fest 2 - - The Spawning! Sunday 2-13, 8:30pm... Resent-Message-ID: <"tD5yC3.0.AE4.TXscu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Shipping is gonna cost ya on those mnm! Hard to chase down those sliding bucks too! MikoNOTMichael >>> 02/04 3:30 PM >>> In a message dated 2/4/00 8:13:15 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: << Admission is a sliding 3-5 bucks >> mnm.......i would like one 3 buck and one 4 buck seat........can you fix me up?........mnm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 19:58:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07079; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:58:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:58:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 16:49:26 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: LOOPFEST TWO gig in Santa Cruz, CA. USA, Earth... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id TAA04275 Resent-Message-ID: <"kYCKJ3.0.531.dGtcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ok gang... here's the official fancy-pants press release for the loop gig! Now I'm getting excited! 8-) Miko ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sunday, February 13th at 8 p.m., Rick Walker presents the Festival of Emerging Santa Cruz Electronica, REV 5.0: LOOPFEST TWO at the BULKHEAD GALLERY (also slated for demolition later next month following the fate of WHAT IS ART). After the success of the first digital looping festival, four more artists have been slated to perform including a full set from Loop.One (Rick Walkers' solo looping project). Opening the show is GARY HULL, followed by an atmospheric solo guitar looping performance by BILL WALKER. MIKO B will then follow with a set of sonic mayhem and wonder followed by RICK WALKER's LOOP.ONE (a set composed of found percussion, odd instruments, perplexing rhythms and audience participation). All proceeds will go to benefit the CULTURAL WORKERS UNION and the BULKHEAD GALLERY. The Bulkhead Gallery is just north of the Town Clock off of Pacific Avenue. A sliding scale donation of $5-$10 is suggested. please call Rick Walker at 425-8659 for more information From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 22:41:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04847; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:41:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:41:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01bf7018$e78f08a0$c78909d2@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron" To: References: Subject: Re: akai headrush Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:38:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"d3hcp1.0.Oz.5hvcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The only problem I have is a slight hiss. I use two of them, 1 to tap in a delay, and the other one is after it, as a looping device. To cut some of the hiss I have the headrushes after my preamp. Which for me is a Sansamp bass preamp, then I go straight into the poweramp. This cut the hiss buy half. Cool. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 5:44 AM Subject: akai headrush > i checked out the past postings on this box and am very interested in buying > one. i would like to know if anyone has found any problems with this unit > before i commit the cash to it. > > Thank Yee All, > Peter > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 01:41:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00636; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 01:41:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 01:41:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000205052214.28408.qmail@web3407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:22:14 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: alto music To: looper list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"vuOrx1.0.jv6.5Jycu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is it just me or does the website for altomusic (home of the $200 dl4) no longer load? If so, does anyone know the phone number? I finally have the $$ but now can't seem to be able to access the site to order one. not good. Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 07:56:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27974; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 07:56:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 07:56:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <389C9583.17ED8F8D@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 13:26:27 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Stuck in the Middle Problem References: <3.0.5.32.20000204142911.007aede0@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J1td8.0.o45.Za1du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tim Nelson wrote: > > I've already double-checked the wiring to ensure that the polarity is all > copacetic and everything, the amp's mono/bridge switch is in the correct > position, the board's not overloading, the input levels are fine; I can't > find a problem... > did you try it with another line source like the MD direct in the amp to test the amp alone ?? >the amp's mono/bridge switch is in the correct position are u shure ?? sorry if doesnt help because I'm no technician just another guy with a big system that sends you some compassion Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 09:19:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25116; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:19:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:19:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <389C2B8D.8725DC42@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 08:54:21 -0500 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: alto music References: <20000205052214.28408.qmail@web3407.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HToyC.0.0V4.Tq2du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Alto's number is 914 692 6922 Aaron Schindler wrote: > Is it just me or does the website for altomusic (home > of the $200 dl4) no longer load? If so, does anyone > know the phone number? > I finally have the $$ but now can't seem to be able to > access the site to order one. not good. > > Aaron > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 09:48:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02495; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:48:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:48:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.b06ed1.25cd8dd5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:29:41 EST Subject: Re: akai headrush To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"ayLey.0.Bp6.xF3du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com First I bought one. Two months later, I bought another one. One feeds into the other. When I have a nice loop in #1 (of many layers), I record it to #2. While #2 is playing, I start again with #1. Great fun! They're simple to use. No complaints. hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 10:43:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22650; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 10:43:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 10:43:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000205153851.3921.qmail@web3402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 07:38:51 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: alto music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"jwDVB.0.fA5.gG4du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" wrote: > Alto's number is 914 692 6922 Thank you. I just ordered my dl4; and now I must go sit by my mailbox and wait for the next 3 days. Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 10:33:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17289; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 10:33:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 10:33:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000205103022.007ab330@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 10:30:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Stuck in the Middle Problem In-Reply-To: <389C9583.17ED8F8D@vtx.ch> References: <3.0.5.32.20000204142911.007aede0@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vPNYJ3.0.c74.A74du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 01:26 PM 2/5/00 -0800, Claude Voit wrote: >Tim Nelson wrote: >> I've already double-checked the wiring to ensure that the polarity is all >> copacetic and everything, the amp's mono/bridge switch is in the correct >> position, the board's not overloading, the input levels are fine; I can't >> find a problem... > >did you try it with another line source like the MD direct in the amp >to test the amp alone ?? Good idea. I just tried it; the problem's still there, so I think I can rule out a mixer problem suddenly having developed. It's either the amp or the way I'm using it. >>the amp's mono/bridge switch is in the correct position >are u shure ?? I had visually checked the switch when I opened the box, but hadn't physically set it, so I just pulled the amp out of the rack to be sure. It was correct. (The switch is recessed into the bottom of the unit and is inaccessible when installed in a rack.) > >sorry if doesnt help because >I'm no technician just another guy with a big system that sends you some >compassion Merci, Claude! What I'm suspecting now( yet since I'm no engineer it's only a guess) is that the problem may in some way be related to phase, since it only happens when the signal to the two sides is different (i.e. when there's a true stereo source, when the pan control on a particular mono channel isn't centered, or when the output faders are set to different levels. At extremely low volumes, the problem disappears. I know the amp has protection circuitry which will not allow it to operate if the load drops below 4 ohms, and I'm wondering if that might be happening, since the "protect" LED flickers whenever the distortion is present. I'm not exactly sure what the load is; I'm using it to power a pair of SoundTech monitors which each have 1-12" and a horn (the specs panel was never filled out and I got them at least secondhand) but I can't imagine them being lower than 4 ohms. (Trying to smallerize, and not have to carry the big cabinets around!) I suppose I should start looking for my meter... Does anyone know if this type of problem would occur if the impedance of the monitors were not the same? I'm assuming they are identical, since they're the same model, but I'm not certain. They're pretty beat up, too, so I'm not ruling out anything! I have to pack the rig up in an hour or so to take out to play this afternoon. I can get by without using the SR-16, and I suppose I can use an adaptor to send the MiniDisc in mono to an unused non-stereo channel, but there go my cool side-to-side sampled atmospheric loops! I guess I'll be bringing the bass heads and cabs as a backup... Thanks, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 11:04:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28663; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 11:04:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 11:04:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000205110042.007af690@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 11:00:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: strange instruments/"electric didgeridu" In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000204142911.007aede0@pop.ici.net> References: <006d01bf6977$d48d06a0$200e1fac@Eskilstuna.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"BG7lo1.0.Tb6.aZ4du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, if any of you who are into looping unusual instruments want to read about something downright weird, go to eBay and type in "electric didgeridu" sometime in the next day and a half... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 12:29:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28073; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:29:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:29:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000205172313.28555.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:23:13 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: strange instruments/"electric didgeridu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"WjUHE2.0._R6.Xo5du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: > Hey, if any of you who are into looping unusual > instruments want to read > about something downright weird, go to eBay and type > in "electric > didgeridu" sometime in the next day and a half... > > If you look up "Lark in the Morning" they sell "unusual musical instruments" and have electric bagpipes. (for when you get bored with the electric didgeridu). OK- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 14:10:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30886; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 14:10:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 14:10:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:53:46 EST Subject: Re: Stuck in the Middle Problem To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"ADAbs1.0.PG1.FF6du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 04/02/00 19:42:50 GMT Standard Time, tcn62@ici.net writes: > amp's mono/bridge switch is in the correct > position, How about the speaker connections, if the -VE outputs aren't both grounded then I figure you could get the effect you describe by swapping over the two -VE speaker wires. Then the +VE of one spkr would be connected to the -VE of the wrong channel( &v.v.). just an idea mind , have you asked 'Electar'? , bet they'd know straight away. Oh , and commiserations with the 'hernia'. Andy "Rack-too-Large-also" Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 17:18:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31896; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 17:18:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 17:18:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.19a29b4.25cdf6ac@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 16:57:00 EST Subject: VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"98c5.0.Qi5.Jp9du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com this looks like it might be an interesting box for all you midi types out there.......made by roland......reviewed on www.harmony-central.com........... michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 6 00:42:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05501; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 00:42:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 00:42:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 21:18:59 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor In-reply-to: <5b.19a29b4.25cdf6ac@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"kaGNd3.0.GX7.dOGdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >this looks like it might be an interesting box for all you midi types out >there.......made by roland......reviewed on www.harmony-central.com........... >michael It's on display at NAMM. pretty interesting little box. Just $3200! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 6 13:59:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21454; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:59:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:59:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <27.1691ff4.25cf1c78@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:50:32 EST Subject: new mp3 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"S7mzj1.0.m64.YASdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just uploaded a new mp3 to the soundfile page on my site <>. In keeping with my latest goal of developing a scaled down loop set up, somewhat replicating my rack set up, but in pedal form, the signal chain is RP20(slight tonal coloring) - DL4(tweaked backwards delay patch) - Digitech PDS8000(8 sec. long delays w/ max feedback). Check it out. - Paul PS - Did some "on-the-fly" tweaking of the wet/ dry mix on the DL4. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 6 15:01:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12874; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:01:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:01:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:42:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200002061942.NAA19373@mw1.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: strange instruments/"electric didgeridu" Resent-Message-ID: <"2850W.0.eJ1.nwSdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi folks , thought i might comment on this thread...one of the 2 bands i am fortunate enough to contribute to is Psuedo Buddha (Bobdog, and James Sidlo from LD) well any way we have a didg player (eucalyptus) who does mucho looping his looper of choice is an old Ibanez DM-1100...he has the ability to adjust parameters, unavailable on my jamman, and plex. it is a unique modern approach to a very ancient instrument. if ya have'nt checked out our website,, you can hear this looped didg,,and other strange instruments http://www.pseudobuddha.com james At 11:00 AM 2/5/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hey, if any of you who are into looping unusual instruments want to read >about something downright weird, go to eBay and type in "electric >didgeridu" sometime in the next day and a half... > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 6 16:18:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08740; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:18:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:18:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <389DDEC0.1F0C9087@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 15:51:12 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new mp3 References: <27.1691ff4.25cf1c78@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bnzEN1.0.89.2zTdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey Paul, I'm getting them all but which is the new one? jd PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > Just uploaded a new mp3 to the soundfile page on my site > <>. In keeping with my latest goal of > developing a scaled down loop set up, somewhat replicating my rack set up, > but in pedal form, the signal chain is RP20(slight tonal coloring) - > DL4(tweaked backwards delay patch) - Digitech PDS8000(8 sec. long delays w/ > max feedback). Check it out. - Paul > PS - Did some "on-the-fly" tweaking of the wet/ dry mix on the DL4. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 00:07:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01442; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 00:07:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 00:07:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002f01bf7126$a31017a0$7c859c83@pavilion.cso.niu.edu> From: "Brent" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: dl4 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 22:48:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"SBsGM.0.9I6.Swadu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone know of a good site to get a line6 dl4 for cheap? and i do mean the newer dl4. -brent Broman@niu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 11:33:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03230; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:33:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:33:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000207080911.00882510@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 08:09:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor In-Reply-To: References: <5b.19a29b4.25cdf6ac@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"o7NEk1.0.tA6.Owkdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree, this box was very cool, and although it seems to be targeted at producers and engineers (so they can put a voice to someone with a butt like Jennifer Lopez and voila!) and remixers (what a surprise, another toy for remixers)... this box could be an awesome creative tool. kim, did you notice if there were any looping features built into the box? I couldn't tell. All of the demonstrators were all showing the exact same features, and using the same samples. Cue card anyone? good to see the loopers. sorry i didn't hang around long, i had to meet someone. I saw four Echoplexes in the Gibson rep/meeting room. Not hooked up, though. I asked a Trace Elliot rep if he knew anything about release date and street price. He was very nice, but didn't tell me anything all of you haven't already heard for the last two years. I did notice that the serial numbers on the back were hand written and had numbers like 01-0001, 01-0002, etc... so those must have been the prototypes we've been hearing about. rich At 09:18 PM 2/5/00 -0800, you wrote: >>this looks like it might be an interesting box for all you midi types out >>there.......made by roland......reviewed on www.harmony-central.com........... >>michael > >It's on display at NAMM. pretty interesting little box. Just $3200! > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 11:58:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14940; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:58:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:58:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 10:36:45 -0600 Subject: SnuffleuppaPlex sighted again? From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000207080911.00882510@pop3.argotech.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mcAm_2.0.X91.gIldu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Looks like we'll receive no interruption in the responsive customer service that characterizes the Echoplex market. TH > I saw four Echoplexes in the Gibson rep/meeting room. Not hooked up, > though. I asked a Trace Elliot rep if he knew anything about release date > and street price. He was very nice, but didn't tell me anything all of you > haven't already heard for the last two years. I did notice that the serial > numbers on the back were hand written and had numbers like 01-0001, > 01-0002, etc... so those must have been the prototypes we've been hearing > about. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 13:40:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24326; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:40:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:40:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: rob@rosy.yourwebhost.com Message-ID: <389F0CDE.F4E47D38@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:20:14 +0100 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor References: <5b.19a29b4.25cdf6ac@aol.com> <3.0.6.32.20000207080911.00882510@pop3.argotech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Bg7Ra3.0.zR3.0mmdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rich wrote: > I agree, this box was very cool, and although it seems to be targeted at > producers and engineers (so they can put a voice to someone with a butt > like Jennifer Lopez and voila!) and remixers (what a surprise, another toy > for remixers)... this box could be an awesome creative tool. > > kim, did you notice if there were any looping features built into the box? > I couldn't tell. All of the demonstrators were all showing the exact same > features, and using the same samples. Cue card anyone? Can someone tell me what the VP-9000 is supposed to do? Now that I see that word "looper" next to it I'm getting curious. ;-) Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 15:45:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13991; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:45:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:45:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000207122937.007b57d0@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 12:29:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor In-Reply-To: <389F0CDE.F4E47D38@wxs.nl> References: <5b.19a29b4.25cdf6ac@aol.com> <3.0.6.32.20000207080911.00882510@pop3.argotech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GGKor3.0.hC2.Ykodu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From what i saw, it's essentially a sampler, with real time controls over pitch, timestretch, and other goodies. Some examples they were showing at the show included: Taking a drum loop, you can adjust the quantizing in real time, altering the loop's "groove", as they call it. (Imagine using this on textural, non-rythmic samples/loops?) On a vocal phrase, your singer misses the last word of the phrase and goes flat. Well, with the VP-9000, you can just adjust the pitch of the last word up and all is well. The VP can assemble multiple samples in different tempos and pitches into a coherent piece, in real time. Also, intelligent harmonies can be done. On board effects. Like I said, the demonstrators were just doing their thing by rote, so the setup involved with the VP to do what they were demo'ing might be more complicated than they indicated...but nonetheless, a very interesting tool. If there is some looping function, where once you capture the sample, it would start playing, and then you could do the VP magic in real time. Yowza! rich At 07:20 PM 2/7/00 +0100, you wrote: >Rich wrote: > >> I agree, this box was very cool, and although it seems to be targeted at >> producers and engineers (so they can put a voice to someone with a butt >> like Jennifer Lopez and voila!) and remixers (what a surprise, another toy >> for remixers)... this box could be an awesome creative tool. >> >> kim, did you notice if there were any looping features built into the box? >> I couldn't tell. All of the demonstrators were all showing the exact same >> features, and using the same samples. Cue card anyone? > >Can someone tell me what the VP-9000 is supposed to do? Now that >I see that word "looper" next to it I'm getting curious. ;-) > >Robert > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 17:44:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01398; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:44:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:44:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001301bf71bc$e9c73480$c29cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" Subject: Seeking synthesizer advice Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:25:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"q4ZM-.0.2p7.Ubqdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello there, I am considering buying a synthesizer but there is so many out there that i decided to first throw this question to this website for advice before buying. I am primarily a guitarrist and very ignorant of synths. What i need is a good reliable tool to compose and perform live with good sequencing and sampling capabilities, lo-fi vinyl effects,cool trip hop drum samples,beautiful symphonic strings etc. Is there one out there with all of this in one box? Is there a synth shut out magazine link review that will maybe answer my question? Thanks for your help! L.A. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 18:42:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27807; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:42:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:42:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: rob@rosy.yourwebhost.com Message-ID: <389F582D.EC011ED0@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 00:41:33 +0100 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor References: <5b.19a29b4.25cdf6ac@aol.com> <3.0.6.32.20000207080911.00882510@pop3.argotech.net> <3.0.6.32.20000207122937.007b57d0@pop3.argotech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zmE11.0.oN6.CTrdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rich wrote: > >From what i saw, it's essentially a sampler, with real time controls over > pitch, timestretch, and other goodies. Some examples they were showing at > the show included: > > Taking a drum loop, you can adjust the quantizing in real time, altering > the loop's "groove", as they call it. (Imagine using this on textural, > non-rythmic samples/loops?) Oh yeah! :-) > > > On a vocal phrase, your singer misses the last word of the phrase and goes > flat. Well, with the VP-9000, you can just adjust the pitch of the last > word up and all is well. > > The VP can assemble multiple samples in different tempos and pitches into a > coherent piece, in real time. > > Also, intelligent harmonies can be done. > > On board effects. > > Like I said, the demonstrators were just doing their thing by rote, so the > setup involved with the VP to do what they were demo'ing might be more > complicated than they indicated...but nonetheless, a very interesting tool. > If there is some looping function, where once you capture the sample, it > would start playing, and then you could do the VP magic in real time. Yowza! Wow. That would be awsome indeed. Thanks for the info. Robert > > > rich > > At 07:20 PM 2/7/00 +0100, you wrote: > >Rich wrote: > > > >> I agree, this box was very cool, and although it seems to be targeted at > >> producers and engineers (so they can put a voice to someone with a butt > >> like Jennifer Lopez and voila!) and remixers (what a surprise, another toy > >> for remixers)... this box could be an awesome creative tool. > >> > >> kim, did you notice if there were any looping features built into the box? > >> I couldn't tell. All of the demonstrators were all showing the exact same > >> features, and using the same samples. Cue card anyone? > > > >Can someone tell me what the VP-9000 is supposed to do? Now that > >I see that word "looper" next to it I'm getting curious. ;-) > > > >Robert > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 18:49:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00300; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:49:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:49:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001301bf71bc$e9c73480$c29cb8d4@oemcomputer> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:35:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Seeking synthesizer advice Resent-Message-ID: <"LEHtm2.0.io6.tXrdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 2/7/00 LA wrote: >Hello there, >I am considering buying a synthesizer but there is so many out there that i >decided to first throw this question to this website for advice before >buying. I am primarily a guitarrist and very ignorant of synths. What i need >is a good reliable tool to compose and perform live with good sequencing and >sampling capabilities, lo-fi vinyl effects,cool trip hop drum >samples,beautiful symphonic strings etc. Is there one out there with all of >this in one box? Probably not...but then I too am a guitarist who uses synths and have learned about them as I've gone along. Is there a synth shut out magazine link review that will >maybe answer my question? >Thanks for your help! >L.A. The problem with reading about synths is that you NEED to ehar what you are buying. Do yourself a favor and start cruising the music stores and hang listen. Many but not all keyboard synths also coem in rack mount versions. But even if you do not have keyboard chops you can stil hear what's up. And to gget all that you are saying you ned be prepared to spend some dollars. Harmony Central and Music Machines ahve good web sites to check out. there are also liste servs and newsgroups dealing with synths. I used to be Analouge Heaven but he volume was too much to keep up with and genrally info I did not need. SO go listen and determine what you want. Then haunt the used gear websites, newspaper ads, pawn shops. Be patient. Sooner or later everything shows up for sale. I understand that someone is auctioning off Eno's DX-7 and some other synth at ebay this week. Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 20:26:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10219; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:26:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:26:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01e901bf71d2$daf6ee30$ac4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Seeking synthesizer advice Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:21:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"WW5Le2.0.Vv1.Wxsdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Most all-in-one swiss-army boxes really suck unless you get something at the very high-end. So your choice depends in part on your budget. And remember: NAMM just finished, which means there are now even more choices, and conversely, more opportunities to buy last years model at blow-out prices. Check out the usual suspects for reviews, like: * Electronic Musician * Sound on Sound * Keyboard magazine * Musician's Friend * Rogue Music You may also want to check the occasional deal on eBay. - Larry T >Hello there, >I am considering buying a synthesizer but there is so many out there that i >decided to first throw this question to this website for advice before >buying. I am primarily a guitarrist and very ignorant of synths. What i need >is a good reliable tool to compose and perform live with good sequencing and >sampling capabilities, lo-fi vinyl effects,cool trip hop drum >samples,beautiful symphonic strings etc. Is there one out there with all of >this in one box? Is there a synth shut out magazine link review that will >maybe answer my question? >Thanks for your help! >L.A. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 23:57:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27134; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:57:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:57:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <3e.e7b5fa.25d0ef41@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:02:09 EST Subject: Re: Seeking synthesizer advice To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"8tXs82.0.TZ1.ZLvdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you want a great synth and don't want to spend enough to buy a herd of PRS guitars, look at some older (slightly) "workstations", like Roland JV-1000, or Korg 01W's and the "T-serise" (T1, T2, T3). I've owned Trinity's and have lusted after the new Triton, but actually my venerable Korg T3 is all I need to create serious music and/or chaos, whichever. And, as a bonus, it has a very tractable, realtime looping phrase feature that I use daily. In fact, many times that's exactly where I start...then when things are getting pretty well stirred up there for background 'ambience', I grab a guitar or mandolin or bass or my Prophecy or a mic and start looping and sampling over that. (Sigh) So many fun things to try, so little time. ;-) good hunting, hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 04:00:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30721; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 04:00:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 04:00:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 00:24:29 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.20000207080911.00882510@pop3.argotech.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5b.19a29b4.25cdf6ac@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"iRlEA2.0.wq4.lCzdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:09 AM -0800 2/7/00, Rich wrote: >I agree, this box was very cool, and although it seems to be targeted at >producers and engineers (so they can put a voice to someone with a butt >like Jennifer Lopez and voila!) and remixers (what a surprise, another toy >for remixers)... this box could be an awesome creative tool. > >kim, did you notice if there were any looping features built into the box? >I couldn't tell. All of the demonstrators were all showing the exact same >features, and using the same samples. Cue card anyone? I didn't bother to ask. I guess because every time I've ever asked that question of roland the answer was "no". :-) My guess is, if what you want is the capability to record a sample and have it immediately loop, probably it doesn't. I'm sure it has a sampler type loop mode, where the sample continues to loop as long as it is held. It does have some nice features, a sort of realtime "recycle-in-a-box" along with nice time stretch and pitch change capabilities. It was hard to tell how good those functions really were in the demo setting, because the tended to use "favorable" samples where you wouldn't be able to tell artifacts very easily. One point about the VP-9000 is that Roland has made an attempt here to move away from the traditional concept of a sampler. Traditional samplers have really become sample-library-playback-machines. Hardly anybody uses them to actually sample anything. As such they have developed to be very powerful for playback of sample libraries and very weak for recording and creating the samples in the first place. What one of the demo guys noted is that Roland intentionally went the other way with this box - they wanted it to be a powerful tool for working with samples you generate on the box. (basically the same philosophy as people designing loopers have taken.) It seems pretty nice for that purpose, with some interesting functions, but whether it's worth $3200 is up to you.:-) One of the demo guys showed how you could abuse the features to get some strange sounds out of it, some of you would probably like it for that. Personally, I thought their new hand drum controller was more interesting. They also had the new VG-88 on display, it crashed while I was using it. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 04:48:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16195; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 04:48:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 04:48:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d301bf7219$21ae8ea0$fe0002c0@intercom.es.intercom.es> From: "samuel" To: Subject: AVSOUND Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:44:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"_ENS71.0.xq2.2K-du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hiiiiiii thereee! have you loopers tried the AVSOUND aopplication? it's great to produce B I G D E N S E P A D S with wide range of frequencies!!! it's a command prompt MSDOS program which accepts an input wav file and a few parameters and creates totally different wave data! if you have a lack of some band freqs in a piece of music, you can get a wave, equalize it to fit this band, and pass it through AVSOUND. You get a looped pad sound you can add envelopes which fits in this band freq and makes your stuff more balanced! if you have a PC: try it! [don't know where you can get it, but surely it's on the web! just search AVSOUND] Sam #ICQ 38770781 Email: samu@findermac.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 04:45:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13076; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 04:45:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 04:45:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 01:37:36 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Seeking synthesizer advice...NAMM In-reply-to: <01e901bf71d2$daf6ee30$ac4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"MShMT.0.6o2.0H-du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:21 PM -0800 2/7/00, L Tremblay wrote: >Most all-in-one swiss-army boxes really suck unless you >get something at the very high-end. So your choice depends >in part on your budget. And remember: NAMM just finished, >which means there are now even more choices, and conversely, >more opportunities to buy last years model at blow-out >prices. don't count on too many more choices. Some of the themes for this year seemed to be missing-in-action, mergers-and-acquisitions, barely-saved-from-oblivion, and on-the-deathbed. Everyone knows about opcode. But how about Lexicon? No booth at all. According to ex-Lex people, they've laid off all product design engineers and haven't been doing anything new in most of the last year. In short, they've been "Harmanized." That's a sad story.... And Kawai? Cool additive synths? nope, they don't do pro products no more. no sign of Quasimidi. Hopefull they just decided to stay in Germany this year.... Roctron, saved from oblivion by GHS. (the guitar string company.) who knows what their future is. Hopefully they can get it going again cause I always liked those guys. ART, also saved from oblivion by Yorkville. (or is it Yorktown? whatever.) E-mu and Ensoniq's step-brotherhood under the Creative parent is hanging in there somehow. New E-mu sampler's and sound modules were there. Nothing revolutionary, seemed aimed for lower cost markets. Actually, seems to be all e-mu, not much ensoniq... and the booth is smaller every year but at least there's new stuff in it. Akai, lost in the guitar hall with their exciting updated MPC2000! not much else there except the Jackson girls. Digitech was showing exactly 3 products total. One was the original whammy reissued. Then there was the RP-2000 multieffect pedal and the vocalist thing they've had for a while. The Johnson division's amp simulator thing was a plastic chassis in a sealed case. Continued yoy booth shrinkage there.... More Harmanization? Zoom was about the same as digitech. Crammed in the corner of some distributor's booth, no new products. Crown was apparently bought by Harman, who seems more insatiable than Gibson. Mackie merged with EAW. Ibanez and Tama are apparently both part of Hoshino now. I don't know how long that's been true, but it's the first time I ever saw them stuffed together in one booth. any others? I'm sure I missed plenty of goodies. But get this, Alesis has a real 16 voice analog synth! Jomox and Electrix have moved their cool little analog synths and filter effects out of the K-hall to the big time upstairs, that's good. Novation made it up there too. Electix' stuff is sure fun. The software and dj stuff keeps growing. As does Gemini's outrageousness. And Don Buchla is back with his remarkable Marimba Lumina.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 05:46:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01726; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 05:46:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 05:46:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01b501bf7220$12afe320$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> From: "Trace Elliot Ltd" To: Subject: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:34:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01B2_01BF7220.08D41560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"QP30r3.0.UT7.Q5_du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01B2_01BF7220.08D41560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will post shipping dates as soon as we have finished the first batch. = We will be sending approx. 150 to the US which, unfortunately, will not = satisfy the demand; many will have to wait for the second instalment. 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------=_NextPart_000_01B2_01BF7220.08D41560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 07:18:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32568; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 07:18:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 07:18:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A00773.996C6567@pop.agri.ch> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 13:09:24 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Trace Elliot Ltd Subject: Re: References: <01b501bf7220$12afe320$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------03CE6C37B5DD60E223359D1C" Resent-Message-ID: <"o_lyE3.0.fd7.FX0eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------03CE6C37B5DD60E223359D1C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whats about europe, do we have a "contingent"? Trace Elliot Ltd schrieb: > I will post shipping dates as soon as we have finished the first > batch. We will be sending approx. 150 to the US which, unfortunately, > will not satisfy the demand; many will have to wait for the second > instalment. We don't want to rush this splendid product so extensive > testing is being done before we ship.Andy Ewen,R&D Manager. Trace > Elliot Contact Information > ************************************* > Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd > Blackwater Trading Estate > The Causeway > Maldon > Essex > United Kingdom > CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 > Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 --------------03CE6C37B5DD60E223359D1C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whats about europe, do we have a "contingent"?
 

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I will post shipping dates as soon as we have finished the first batch. We will be sending approx. 150 to the US which, unfortunately, will not satisfy the demand; many will have to wait for the second instalment. We don't want to rush this splendid product so extensive testing is being done before we ship.Andy Ewen,R&D Manager. Trace Elliot Contact Information
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Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd
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United Kingdom
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--------------03CE6C37B5DD60E223359D1C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 08:35:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32071; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:35:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:35:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3e.e7b5fa.25d0ef41@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:34:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Seeking synthesizer advice Resent-Message-ID: <"rm8Fq1.0.7T7.Jg1eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >If you want a great synth and don't want to spend enough to buy a herd of PRS >guitars, look at some older (slightly) "workstations", like Roland JV-1000, >or Korg 01W's and the "T-serise" (T1, T2, T3). I've owned Trinity's and have >lusted after the new Triton, but actually my venerable Korg T3 is all I need >to create serious music and/or chaos, whichever. And, as a bonus, it has a >very tractable, realtime looping phrase feature that I use daily. In fact, >many times that's exactly where I start...then when things are getting pretty >well stirred up there for background 'ambience', I grab a guitar or mandolin >or bass or my Prophecy or a mic and start looping and sampling over that. >(Sigh) So many fun things to try, so little time. ;-) > >good hunting, > hawkeye Or, as was mentioned on the list recently, you might get a Radio Shack "experimenter's lab"-type setup and figure out how to make your own original synth. Or go to Paia.com for kits.... David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 09:44:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29415; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:44:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:44:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Michael_Taylor@entemp.ie X-Lotus-FromDomain: ENTEMP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <8025687F.0050412A.00@Central_Mail1> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:27:20 +0000 Subject: Laptop audio help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"6BSWv.0.hU6.se2eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there I need some assistance. I want to get together some people's knowledge about using Laptops for audio. Do the pro's outdo the cons? Is having a portable editor sacrificing a noise & glitch free output? I have a spec in mind: 10 GB HD (SCSI, if that's possible on a Latop) (8ms or less access, 10,000rpm, A/V compliant) Gadgetlabs Wave 8/24 128 SDram 8 MB Graphics. Cool Edit Pro Yamaha CDRW Also is there anyone out there from a company in England that can quote me a price? I'm from Dublin and there is no Audio PC bundle manufacturers to be seen on this isle. Any detailed help can access me off-list at: Michael_Taylor@entemp.ie Thanks Michael Taylor From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 11:28:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17166; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:28:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:28:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000208081558.00882310@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 08:15:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000207080911.00882510@pop3.argotech.net> <5b.19a29b4.25cdf6ac@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"RDi3v2.0.6s1.Z84eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Personally, I thought their new hand drum controller was more interesting. >They also had the new VG-88 on display, it crashed while I was using it. :-) > >kim I will agree with you totally on this. I've been struggling with drum machines for the last four years or so, thinking "gee, i wish i could just play that tom roll or snare hit on with my hands, like a djembe, or something." It seems Roland had the same idea! Another awesome tool with lots of potential in the right hands. However $1200 is a hell of a lot of money to pay for a hand drum! cheers, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 11:31:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18763; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:31:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:31:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 08:21:40 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, info@trace-elliot.com Subject: Re: EDP return to production... Resent-Message-ID: <"yDfGj2.0.7F2.OD4eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is the Trace EDP going to have a new faceplate with new colors, knobs etc? Or are they actually gonna make ***exactly*** the same Obie product (cosmetics)? Will they ship with the new s/w? Kim??? Will the memory be maxed? Finally: Is the David Kirkdorfer (sp?) buyer list going to be honored? Or are these units all bound for retail outlets? If they're shipping straight to retail outlets, will we be informed where exactly they're going so we can jump on 'em first? It's great to hear that we're getting closer! Best regards, -Miko Trace Elliot Ltd schrieb: > I will post shipping dates as soon as we have finished the first > batch. We will be sending approx. 150 to the US which, unfortunately, > will not satisfy the demand; many will have to wait for the second > instalment. We don't want to rush this splendid product so extensive > testing is being done before we ship.Andy Ewen,R&D Manager. Trace > Elliot Contact Information > ************************************* > Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd > Blackwater Trading Estate > The Causeway > Maldon > Essex > United Kingdom > CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 > Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 12:23:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07269; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:23:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:23:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000d01bf7258$a54f7640$287779a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: EDP return to production... Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:19:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZJ0C03.0.rH1.oz4eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I saw with my own eyes 4 new edp at the NAMM show- exactly the same as the old ones but now both footpedal and face plate are sporting the big Gibson logo- I was tempted to grab the four of them and run- but my sensibilities got the best of me- - Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; info@trace-elliot.com Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 9:08 AM Subject: Re: EDP return to production... >Is the Trace EDP going to have a new faceplate with new colors, knobs >etc? Or are they actually gonna make ***exactly*** the same Obie >product (cosmetics)? > >Will they ship with the new s/w? Kim??? > >Will the memory be maxed? > >Finally: Is the David Kirkdorfer (sp?) buyer list going to be >honored? Or are these units all bound for retail outlets? If they're >shipping straight to retail outlets, will we be informed where exactly >they're going so we can jump on 'em first? > >It's great to hear that we're getting closer! > >Best regards, >-Miko > >Trace Elliot Ltd schrieb: >> I will post shipping dates as soon as we have finished the first >> batch. We will be sending approx. 150 to the US which, >unfortunately, >> will not satisfy the demand; many will have to wait for the second >> instalment. We don't want to rush this splendid product so >extensive >> testing is being done before we ship.Andy Ewen,R&D Manager. Trace >> Elliot Contact Information >> ************************************* >> Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd >> Blackwater Trading Estate >> The Causeway >> Maldon >> Essex >> United Kingdom >> CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 >> Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 13:55:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16354; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:55:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:55:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 10:31:28 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, bienappraisers@mindspring.com Subject: Re: EDP return to production... Resent-Message-ID: <"nB9oV1.0.uJ2.M66eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Argh... Gibson logos? I guess that's what decals are for... -m >>> "Clifford@BienAppraisers" 02/08 9:20 AM >>> I saw with my own eyes 4 new edp at the NAMM show- exactly the same as the old ones but now both footpedal and face plate are sporting the big Gibson logo- I was tempted to grab the four of them and run- but my sensibilities got the best of me- - Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; info@trace-elliot.com Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 9:08 AM Subject: Re: EDP return to production... >Is the Trace EDP going to have a new faceplate with new colors, knobs >etc? Or are they actually gonna make ***exactly*** the same Obie >product (cosmetics)? > >Will they ship with the new s/w? Kim??? > >Will the memory be maxed? > >Finally: Is the David Kirkdorfer (sp?) buyer list going to be >honored? Or are these units all bound for retail outlets? If they're >shipping straight to retail outlets, will we be informed where exactly >they're going so we can jump on 'em first? > >It's great to hear that we're getting closer! > >Best regards, >-Miko > >Trace Elliot Ltd schrieb: >> I will post shipping dates as soon as we have finished the first >> batch. We will be sending approx. 150 to the US which, >unfortunately, >> will not satisfy the demand; many will have to wait for the second >> instalment. We don't want to rush this splendid product so >extensive >> testing is being done before we ship.Andy Ewen,R&D Manager. Trace >> Elliot Contact Information >> ************************************* >> Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd >> Blackwater Trading Estate >> The Causeway >> Maldon >> Essex >> United Kingdom >> CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 >> Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 13:32:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09207; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:32:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:32:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:28:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor Resent-Message-ID: <"wRCqM3.0.nW1.Sz5eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Personally, I thought their new hand drum controller was more interesting. >>They also had the new VG-88 on display, it crashed while I was using it. :-) >> >>kim > I noticed the sensing on this is "descended" from the VDrums, but what about the drum voices thenselves? Another rompler, or modeled drum voice? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 14:18:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29501; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:18:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:18:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 10:38:37 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP return to production... In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nG9Sk3.0.ID5.sY6eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:21 AM -0800 2/8/00, Mike Biffle wrote: >Is the Trace EDP going to have a new faceplate with new colors, knobs >etc? Or are they actually gonna make ***exactly*** the same Obie >product (cosmetics)? It's the same, although there may be a logo change. Maybe we should try to convince them to paint it green. ;-) >Will they ship with the new s/w? Kim??? I think I answered that one before. It's the same soft it's been shipping with, LoopIIIv5.0, which is rock solid and bug-free. (unless you're claude ;-) Aurisis software work has no relation to Gibson production schedules, so any future software versions will come out when we're done with them. (which is a good thing, software development is always late. ;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 14:42:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09980; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:42:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:42:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: EDP return to production... Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:31:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"k7vG01.0.yo7.Ku6eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >old ones but now both footpedal and face plate are sporting the >big Gibson logo- I was tempted to grab the four of them and >run- but my sensibilities got the best of me- You've really got to work on that.... bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 15:40:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09086; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:40:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:40:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004401bf7272$2b0c7c60$a54badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Seeking synthesizer advice...NAMM Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:21:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"jMugE1.0.Oz6.ke7eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >At 5:21 PM -0800 2/7/00, L Tremblay wrote: >>Most all-in-one swiss-army boxes really suck unless you >>get something at the very high-end. So your choice depends >>in part on your budget. And remember: NAMM just finished, >>which means there are now even more choices, and conversely, >>more opportunities to buy last years model at blow-out >>prices. > >don't count on too many more choices. Some of the themes for this year >seemed to be missing-in-action, mergers-and-acquisitions, >barely-saved-from-oblivion, and on-the-deathbed. > >any others? I'm sure I missed plenty of goodies. > >But get this, Alesis has a real 16 voice analog synth! The Alesis looks very good! I've got my eye on it. The new Korg MS2000 is another new box with great potential too. We've been discussing these goodies, and others, on Analogue Heaven. Wahooo! - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 16:18:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27327; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:18:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:18:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 15:55:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Seeking synthesizer advice...NAMM Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: <"y8lVa1.0.mP3.4B8eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com LET US HEAR MORE OF THE MS2000 PLEASE! regards c Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > >At 5:21 PM -0800 2/7/00, L Tremblay wrote: >>Most all-in-one swiss-army boxes really suck unless you >>get something at the very high-end. So your choice depends >>in part on your budget. And remember: NAMM just finished, >>which means there are now even more choices, and conversely, >>more opportunities to buy last years model at blow-out >>prices. > >don't count on too many more choices. Some of the themes for this year >seemed to be missing-in-action, mergers-and-acquisitions, >barely-saved-from-oblivion, and on-the-deathbed. > >any others? I'm sure I missed plenty of goodies. > >But get this, Alesis has a real 16 voice analog synth! The Alesis looks very good! I've got my eye on it. The new Korg MS2000 is another new box with great potential too. We've been discussing these goodies, and others, on Analogue Heaven. Wahooo! - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 16:14:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25871; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:14:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:14:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A08390.AA8A3ED8@pop.agri.ch> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 21:58:56 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Seeking drummachine advice References: <004401bf7272$2b0c7c60$a54badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id QAA16166 Resent-Message-ID: <"KLYej3.0.lz3.vF8eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello i'm looking for a good drummachine. roland r-8 or boss dr660 are two machines, i could use with the jamman (... or later an edp ;-) ). is anyone familiar with one of them? thanks, jesús From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 17:21:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26486; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:21:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:21:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DE47@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: everybody wants one- indi loopers with CD's take note Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:07:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"AV8LV3.0._p4.DF9eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, ah, just to let you know that the 'Official Denis Taaffe Merchandise' has arrived, shirts, mugs,etc.. you can get them on-0nline at: http://gear.amp3.com/aliengtr . Very cool, the shirts have the 'Abducted by Aliens' cd cover graphic,etc....Impresse the babes with a luxurious 'Abducted by Aliens' coffe mug..etc....bla bla...sales pitch.... **************************************************************************** ********************************************* . Actually, this is a free service and I thought other indy musicians would want to do the same and set up their own.It's good exposure, it's free and the shirts are pretty neat and they put your CD cover on them.CHECK IT OUT!!! you can sign up at http://gear.amp3.com Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 18:04:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12062; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:04:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:04:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000208224815.40764.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.82] From: "Greg S" To: "Loopers Delight" Cc: "ALTO MUSIC" Subject: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:48:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"YLDm.0.Mc1.Dr9eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers: Jon from Alto just called me to let me know they'll be offering a discount for LD members on the long awaited EDP. Echoplex: $640 Footpedal: $100. (The EDP list will be something like $1100 I'm told ) According to Alto's Gibson rep, Gibson will be shipping 40 EDP's to Alto in 3 to 4 weeks. Please note, this is Gibson's word, not Jon's and certainly not mine. Jon will keep us updated with news as he gets it. If you want to get on the waiting list email Jon at Alto (alto@warwick.com) or call him at 914 692 6922. Jon said he does NOT still have the list of EDP buyers-in-waiting who missed one of the units from last year. If you were on that list, please contact Jon if you're still interested. Note: this was an unsolicited offer from Alto. Jon still had my phone number from the DL4 buy I helped coordinate last Dec (which is still generating sales according to Jon). He called out of the blue to make this offer. Its rather nice to see a store like Alto supporting groups like Looper's Delight. -Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 18:30:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21805; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:30:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:30:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000208232052.82238.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.87] From: "G716 - Greg S." To: Cc: "ALTO MUSIC" References: <20000208224815.40764.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:21:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"U1kyO3.0.dR4.oJAeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Quick corrections: 1) Jon DOES still have the list of last year's buyers-in-waiting. If you were on it, you should still follow up with Jon to confirm whether or not you plan to purchase. 2) List price is $1150. ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg S To: Loopers Delight Cc: ALTO MUSIC Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 2:48 PM Subject: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. > Loopers: > > Jon from Alto just called me to let me know they'll be offering a discount > for LD members on the long awaited EDP. > > Echoplex: $640 > Footpedal: $100. > (The EDP list will be something like $1100 I'm told ) > > According to Alto's Gibson rep, Gibson will be shipping 40 EDP's to Alto in > 3 to 4 weeks. Please note, this is Gibson's word, not Jon's and certainly > not mine. Jon will keep us updated with news as he gets it. > > If you want to get on the waiting list email Jon at Alto (alto@warwick.com) > or call him at 914 692 6922. Jon said he does NOT still have the list of > EDP buyers-in-waiting who missed one of the units from last year. If you > were on that list, please contact Jon if you're still interested. > > Note: this was an unsolicited offer from Alto. Jon still had my phone > number from the DL4 buy I helped coordinate last Dec (which is still > generating sales according to Jon). He called out of the blue to make this > offer. Its rather nice to see a store like Alto supporting groups like > Looper's Delight. > > -Greg > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 18:59:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32098; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:59:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:59:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007e01bf728e$0867b500$a973fea9@desktop> From: "Judson Crane" To: References: <20000208224815.40764.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000208232052.82238.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:41:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"quvrl2.0.1D7.plAeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The email link doesn't seem to be working. It just returns my email immediately. I guess I will call. Jud ----- Original Message ----- From: G716 - Greg S. To: Cc: ALTO MUSIC Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. > Quick corrections: > 1) Jon DOES still have the list of last year's buyers-in-waiting. If you > were on it, you should still follow up with Jon to confirm whether or not > you plan to purchase. > > 2) List price is $1150. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg S > To: Loopers Delight > Cc: ALTO MUSIC > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 2:48 PM > Subject: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. > > > > Loopers: > > > > Jon from Alto just called me to let me know they'll be offering a discount > > for LD members on the long awaited EDP. > > > > Echoplex: $640 > > Footpedal: $100. > > (The EDP list will be something like $1100 I'm told ) > > > > According to Alto's Gibson rep, Gibson will be shipping 40 EDP's to Alto > in > > 3 to 4 weeks. Please note, this is Gibson's word, not Jon's and certainly > > not mine. Jon will keep us updated with news as he gets it. > > > > If you want to get on the waiting list email Jon at Alto > (alto@warwick.com) > > or call him at 914 692 6922. Jon said he does NOT still have the list of > > EDP buyers-in-waiting who missed one of the units from last year. If you > > were on that list, please contact Jon if you're still interested. > > > > Note: this was an unsolicited offer from Alto. Jon still had my phone > > number from the DL4 buy I helped coordinate last Dec (which is still > > generating sales according to Jon). He called out of the blue to make > this > > offer. Its rather nice to see a store like Alto supporting groups like > > Looper's Delight. > > > > -Greg > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 19:06:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04131; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:06:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:06:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:03:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. Resent-Message-ID: <"vPOk82.0.wr7.ltAeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Quick corrections: >1) Jon DOES still have the list of last year's buyers-in-waiting. If you >were on it, you should still follow up with Jon to confirm whether or not >you plan to purchase. > >2) List price is $1150. > This is in no way intended to be part of the "bash EDP/ Snufflelufu..etc" banter, but what happened to the projected lower price? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 20:03:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09052; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 20:03:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 20:03:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:58:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"TQZaX1.0.M5.GhBeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bash! Bash! I'm sorry, but that's a ridiculous price. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Mark Landman [mailto:landman@wco.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 4:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. >Quick corrections: >1) Jon DOES still have the list of last year's buyers-in-waiting. If you >were on it, you should still follow up with Jon to confirm whether or not >you plan to purchase. > >2) List price is $1150. > This is in no way intended to be part of the "bash EDP/ Snufflelufu..etc" banter, but what happened to the projected lower price? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 00:14:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01815; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:14:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:14:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001401bf72b8$e58aefe0$7df993cd@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 23:48:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF728E.FCB4E7E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"mKQT23.0.pU5.n6Feu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF728E.FCB4E7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Playlist for EMUSIC EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #150 February 3, 2000. On this show, I began a month-long focus on American synthesist Michael = Garrison. Tonight's experimental music. Tonight's Feature CD at Midnight was = Aurora Dawn on the Windspell label. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:04 pm Jean Michel Jarre Fourth Rendezvous Rendezvous (Dreyfus) Pyramid Peak Ocean Drive Ocena Drive (Invisible = Shadows) Lightwave (fr NAV 2/00) Cantus Umbrarum Cantus Umbrarum = (Horizon Music) Tony Stoufer A Mood Apart One Fell Swoop = (Absolute Obscurity) Kevin Keller Invisible Rituals Pendulum (Lektronic = Soundscapes) Dave Fulton Particle Reversal * Hard Particles (Eurock) 12:00 am Michael Garrison Threshold Aurora Dawn (Windspell = Music) Michael Garrison The Solar Sea Aurora Dawn (Windspell = Music) Michael Garrison Magnetic Wind Aurora Dawn (Windspell = Music) Michael Garrison Aurora Visage Aurora Dawn (Windspell = Music) Michael Garrison Aurora Mist Aurora Dawn (Windspell = Music) Michael Garrison Fade the Night Aurora Dawn (Windspell = Music) Michael Garrison Aurora Dawn (Pts 1-5) Aurora Dawn (Windspell = Music) Spectral Voices Sun Shower Coalescence (Spectral = Spiral) Spectral Voices Merge Coalescence (Spectral = Spiral) Spectral Voices Outback Shaman Fry Coalescence (Spectral = Spiral) Spectral Voices As Were the Ancients Coalescence (Spectral = Spiral) Synthetic Block Plangent Bleating * Synthetic Block = (Mindspore) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on American = synthesist Michael Garrison. The feature CD at Midnight will be Eclipse on the = Windspell label. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF728E.FCB4E7E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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EMUSIC, an=20 electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday
at = 11:04 pm on=20 WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in
Easton, PA = and=20 Phillipsburg, NJ.
 
          &nbs= p;            = ;=20 Show #150        February 3,=20 2000.
 
On = this show, I=20 began a month-long focus on American synthesist Michael = Garrison.
Tonight's=20 experimental music.  Tonight's Feature CD at Midnight was Aurora = Dawn on=20 the
Windspell label.
 

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Jean Michel=20 Jarre       Fourth=20 Rendezvous        Rendezvous=20 (Dreyfus)
Pyramid=20 Peak            = Ocean=20 Drive           &n= bsp; =20 Ocena Drive (Invisible Shadows)
Lightwave (fr NAV 2/00) Cantus=20 Umbrarum          Cantus = Umbrarum=20 (Horizon Music)
Tony=20 Stoufer           = A Mood=20 Apart           &n= bsp;=20 One Fell Swoop (Absolute Obscurity)
Kevin=20 Keller            = Invisible Rituals        Pendulum = (Lektronic=20 Soundscapes)
Dave=20 Fulton           &= nbsp;=20 Particle Reversal *      Hard Particles=20 (Eurock)
 
12:00=20 am
Michael Garrison       =20 Threshold          &nbs= p;    =20 Aurora Dawn (Windspell Music)
Michael=20 Garrison        The Solar=20 Sea            = Aurora=20 Dawn (Windspell Music)
Michael=20 Garrison        Magnetic=20 Wind            = Aurora=20 Dawn (Windspell Music)
Michael=20 Garrison        Aurora=20 Visage            = Aurora=20 Dawn (Windspell Music)
Michael=20 Garrison        Aurora=20 Mist           &nb= sp; =20 Aurora Dawn (Windspell Music)
Michael=20 Garrison        Fade the=20 Night           Aurora = Dawn=20 (Windspell Music)
Michael = Garrison       =20 Aurora Dawn (Pts 1-5)    Aurora Dawn (Windspell=20 Music)
Spectral = Voices         Sun=20 Shower           &= nbsp;  =20 Coalescence (Spectral Spiral)
Spectral=20 Voices        =20 Merge           &n= bsp;       =20 Coalescence (Spectral Spiral)
Spectral=20 Voices         Outback Shaman=20 Fry       Coalescence (Spectral=20 Spiral)
Spectral = Voices         As=20 Were the Ancients     Coalescence (Spectral=20 Spiral)
Synthetic = Block        =20 Plangent Bleating *      Synthetic Block=20 (Mindspore)
 
1:00=20 am
 
 * =3D=20 exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 
On the next = EMUSIC, I'll=20 continue the month-long focus on American synthesist
Michael = Garrison. =20 The feature CD at Midnight will be Eclipse on the=20 Windspell
label.
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF728E.FCB4E7E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 00:16:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02823; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:16:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:16:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A0F26E.EB861361@inreach.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 20:52:00 -0800 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: looper-friendly MIDI sequencer? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SmyGT1.0.Gu5.QAFeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com howdy. I use MOTU's Performer (not DP) - a not-so-aptly-named piece of software IMHO. Interested in actually performing with malleable MIDI situations, I have found that a simple act such as vamping on a particular measure of a sequence and then continuing on to an another vamp on down the line a bit is possible (with Perf.) but akward. The memory loop points are designed (as is the Polar function in DP) more for creating than performing. So I am frustrated. Here is an example of a software user interface that would turn me on: little whirlpools dot the screen - representing loops; lines are drawn between many of the spirals - representing transitions. The idea is simple: click a spiral and you loop, click a line between that spiral and any other and at the next loop end (like a drum machine (a feature sorely lacking in Performer)) the music follows a precomposed transition to another loop pool. The system could work for a single song or an entire reperetoire. Has anyone seen or heard anything about anything even remotely like this? Is this doable in MAX? Anyone interested in designing some software? carry on, eric o. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 00:16:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02850; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:16:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:16:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000209045550.26432.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Found Sound Chain-Letter CD now available! Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 20:55:50 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"eQ_C-3.0.c-5.sDFeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi everyone! We just finished making a CD completely of Found Sounds (previously existing media and recordings, sometimes including our own older recordings. The following artists, mostly from Loopers Delight, are included on this CD: Tim Nelson David Cooper Orton Josh Pyorre Raul Bonell Tomas Echovirus (aka Rob Switzer) Michael Klobuchar Superfluid (aka Morgan Hamilton Lang) Dennis Leas and myself (Matt Davignon) Come! Hear us all bark at the challenge of using no real instruments for an entire disc! You can download the entire (or just some - your choice) contents of the CD at http://www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/foundsound.html or just get there the easy way by going to www.loopxchange.com You can also order the disc for the unheard-of low price of $5 per disc. (It's a full length disc if you were wondering). Contact me via e-mail if you want one. Matt Davignon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 00:42:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19893; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:42:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:42:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 21:30:21 -0800 Subject: Re: looper-friendly MIDI sequencer? From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38A0F26E.EB861361@inreach.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZMzu01.0.072.whFeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, in MAX that would be possible, I've heard something like that already; a patch where a MIDI loop "morphed" into another loop, sounded pretty amazing, much more interesting than the actual loops sometimes.I don't know about the GUI though, you might have to deal with something a little less flamboyant ("nah man, I only dance on the inside") You could do it with MAX/MSP with actual samples if you worked with a bunch of preselected samples and composed transitions but I figure you are already doing that with a "real" sampler anyway.I imagine anything else would sound like a cross fade no matter how hard you made it for yourself. If I find those MIDI morphing patches, I think I have them somewhere, I'll put a note up on the list for anyone who wants them. Cheers Andrew > From: eric > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 20:52:00 -0800 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: looper-friendly MIDI sequencer? > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:16:36 -0500 > > howdy. > I use MOTU's Performer (not DP) - a not-so-aptly-named piece of software > IMHO. Interested in actually performing with malleable MIDI situations, > I have found that a simple act such as vamping on a particular measure > of a sequence and then continuing on to an another vamp on down the line > a bit is possible (with Perf.) but akward. The memory loop points are > designed (as is the Polar function in DP) more for creating than > performing. So I am frustrated. > > Here is an example of a software user interface that would turn me on: > little whirlpools dot the screen - representing loops; lines are drawn > between many of the spirals - representing transitions. The idea is > simple: click a spiral and you loop, click a line between that spiral > and any other and at the next loop end (like a drum machine (a feature > sorely lacking in Performer)) the music follows a precomposed transition > to another loop pool. The system could work for a single song or an > entire reperetoire. > > Has anyone seen or heard anything about anything even remotely like > this? > Is this doable in MAX? Anyone interested in designing some software? > > carry on, > eric o. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 01:00:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25055; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 01:00:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 01:00:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006901bf72c2$83a0d240$534badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Re: Seeking synthesizer advice...NAMM Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:57:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"tWJNM2.0.Qf5.p3Geu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >LET US HEAR MORE OF THE MS2000 PLEASE! >regards >c Here's the NAMM blurb. Check out the Korg site too. ms2000 & ms2000R - preview Feature Rich - The MS2000 and MS2000R are housed in stylish metal casings with the MS2000 featuring traditional wooden end blocks and a 44-note light weight velocity sensitive keyboard. The MS2000R can be used equally well in a 19-inch rack or as a desktop module. Both units feature the following voice structure : 2 OSCs, 1 Filter, 1 amp, 2 EGs, 2 LFOs. * Effects : Delay, Distortion, Chorus/Flanger. * Arpeggiator. * External Audio In : 2. * 16-band Vocoder!!!! See: http://www.korg.co.jp/products/synthe/MS2000/MS2000.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 02:03:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19815; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 02:03:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 02:03:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A10F41.2986F982@inreach.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 22:54:56 -0800 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looper-friendly MIDI sequencer? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VJrHr2.0.zK4.7zGeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > If I find those MIDI morphing patches, I think I have them somewhere, I'll > put a note up on the list for anyone who wants them. Thanks, Andrew. That sounds intriguing... eo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 04:56:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA00591; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 04:56:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 04:56:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 00:52:09 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looper-friendly MIDI sequencer? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <38A0F26E.EB861361@inreach.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"kIhkv3.0.Rg1.wiIeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:30 PM -0800 2/8/00, Andrew Pask wrote: >Yeah, in MAX that would be possible, >I've heard something like that already; >a patch where a MIDI loop "morphed" >into another loop, sounded pretty amazing, much more interesting than the >actual loops sometimes.I don't know about the GUI though, you might have to >deal with something a little less flamboyant ("nah man, I only dance on the >inside") >You could do it with MAX/MSP with actual samples if you worked with a bunch >of preselected samples and composed transitions but I figure you are already >doing that with a "real" sampler anyway.I imagine anything else would sound >like a cross fade no matter how hard you made it for yourself. >If I find those MIDI morphing patches, I think I have them somewhere, I'll >put a note up on the list for anyone who wants them. > I remember doing this sort of thing with neural net objects for Max back when I was taking computer music classes. People did lots of cool stuff, morphing between different time signatures, different musical styles, different harmonies, different grooves, etc. All of the most interesting stuff happens somewhere in the middle, of course! Great fun. I remember seeing a performance at CNMAT where David Wessel had a Buchla Thunder for a controller, with different pakistani percussion grooves at each ends of all the touch sensitive sliders. Neural nets were used in a max patch to interpolate all the area in between, so as he slid his fingers along the sliders, the grooves would be morphing between these two points. The sliders are pressure sensitive as well, and he had pressure assigned to density of the groove. So a light touch on the slider was a very sparse groove, and more pressure would add more and more elements to the percussion part, filling it in. So as you can imagine, this was a very expressive, real-time approach to controlling sequences for performance. A great way to control very complex percussion parts too. The performance was very cool. In addition to David was a very famous Pakistani singer whose name I can't remember at the moment, and Matt Wright playing drones with a wacom tablet connected to more max patches controlling an analysis/resynthesis synth running on an Indy. They were doing "traditional" Pakistani/North Indian type music, very complex and emotional, all improvised/performed live. I always think about this whenever I hear people exclaim "Drum and Bass can't be done live!" This was way more complex than most D&B, all with real-time improvisations of sequences and samples. It just takes some imagination applied to how the instruments work. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 05:44:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20294; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 05:44:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 05:44:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003701bf72e7$d5815ce0$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> From: "Trace Elliot Ltd" To: Subject: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:24:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01BF72E7.D3FF50C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"9gchM1.0.mh3.B2Keu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BF72E7.D3FF50C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's a small price to pay for such an excellent product. One was sold = secondhand via NET auction for $3000. I can assure everyone that we are making the slimmest of margins on the = EDP. Ah!, the joys of manufacturing. Andy Trace Elliot Contact Information ************************************* Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd Blackwater Trading Estate The Causeway Maldon Essex United Kingdom CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BF72E7.D3FF50C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's a small price to pay for such an = excellent=20 product. One was sold secondhand via NET auction for $3000.
I can assure everyone that we are = making the=20 slimmest of margins on the EDP. Ah!, the joys of = manufacturing.
Andy
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BF72E7.D3FF50C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 05:57:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24364; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 05:57:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 05:57:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008801bf72e9$bc48d760$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> From: "Trace Elliot Ltd" To: References: Subject: Re: SnuffleuppaPlex sighted again? Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:37:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"KKn732.0.xd4.yEKeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No these were actual production units. We are using the prototypes as copy guides for manufacturing. More are being made every day, Andy Ewen. Trace Elliot Contact Information ************************************* Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd Blackwater Trading Estate The Causeway Maldon Essex United Kingdom CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 ----- Original Message ----- From: Travis Hartnett To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 4:36 PM Subject: SnuffleuppaPlex sighted again? > Looks like we'll receive no interruption in the responsive customer service > that characterizes the Echoplex market. > > TH > > > I saw four Echoplexes in the Gibson rep/meeting room. Not hooked up, > > though. I asked a Trace Elliot rep if he knew anything about release date > > and street price. He was very nice, but didn't tell me anything all of you > > haven't already heard for the last two years. I did notice that the serial > > numbers on the back were hand written and had numbers like 01-0001, > > 01-0002, etc... so those must have been the prototypes we've been hearing > > about. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 06:01:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27648; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 06:01:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 06:01:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004401bf72e8$4580a0a0$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> From: "Trace Elliot Ltd" To: Subject: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:27:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01BF72E8.448C7CA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"7_I7o.0.2_3.75Keu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BF72E8.448C7CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That seems like a feasable time-frame. They are coming thriugh = production as I write this. A bit slow to start but as we get more = familier they will steam through. Andy Trace Elliot, on behalf of Gibson. =20 Trace Elliot Contact Information ************************************* Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd Blackwater Trading Estate The Causeway Maldon Essex United Kingdom CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BF72E8.448C7CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That seems like a feasable time-frame. = They are=20 coming thriugh production as I write this. A bit slow to start but as we = get=20 more familier they will steam through.
Andy
Trace Elliot, on behalf of = Gibson. =20
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BF72E8.448C7CA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 07:24:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30508; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:24:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:24:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A15A6C.8F6DE0FC@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 23:15:40 +1100 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. References: <20000208224815.40764.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000208232052.82238.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"omOuw1.0.iS6.-fLeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "G716 - Greg S." wrote: > > > 2) List price is $1150. > ouch ... that should translate into AUS$2500 - $3000 ... again i say ouch. ummmm... will they be shipping to Australia? :) i guess i don't really need a car .. lol. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 07:35:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02533; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:35:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:35:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.20000209122723.0072e99c@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 13:27:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: leocavallo Subject: Jamman "A" message on startup Resent-Message-ID: <"1ipLe.0.Ol7.qqLeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all anyone knows what does it mean this "A" message on power on? if I press Function + Reset/Bypass it goes away, but... thnx ciao leo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 10:34:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20370; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:34:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:34:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Cheap synths Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:26:29 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <"xrNeJ3.0.eL4.8TOeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I'm primarily a guitarist but have a knack for tracking down cheap synths. I bought a Casio MT-240 10 years ago for $90 because it was riddled with PPG Waveterm samples. It's MIDIable and once you process it through my Lexicon gear you'd never know it was a $90 keyboard I bought at a discount store. We used to do juvenile pranks with these keyboards in the store years ago, ask if you want what we did. Gear score number two: when a keyboardist friend of mine bought a Kurzweil 88 key weighted board and Korg M1R and some Roland synth, he let his Korg Poly 61 rot in his basement. I told him I was learning keys so he let me have his old Poly 61. It's got that eighties sound, a great arpeggiator, and can be used for a bunch of pads and stuff for drones and loops. Again, I process it to death to get relatively modern sounds out of it. I like using the arpeggiator with delays to create hypnotic loops. Gear score number three: I got a Yamaha CS1X synth late last summer for about $400. It was the floor display model and it was in great shape. They tossed in a MIDI interface and I was ready to rock (sort of). This one actually has knobs and pretty decent sounds all by it- self. This one also has a great arpeggiator and a lot of analog and chimey digital bell sounds as well, and samples from the wavestation, PPG and Moog/Prophet sounds. Great for drones, loops and atmospheres. It even has great lead sounds. A good deal. The most I've spent on a synth so far. I'm hoping someday to find some other synths at basement prices. I was keeping an eye on the Ensoniq Fizmo because it was being discontinued and it was as cheap as $200-400 at local stores. It's a real waveform synth ala PPG and had some hypnotic pads with great animation. I hear it's a bear to program but I don't care if I can get it cheap. I was probably driving the salespeople at a local Mars nuts with my beehive of ooze and drones with goofy solos on the top (faux digital flute?) Hey! One mans Casio is another mans Synclavier. I should mention that the sounds I go for are not the typical bar-band-cover-tune sounds, but giant aluminum locus waves and reverberations. What works for me might make you sick. Now, I have yet to find something that will play great retro sounds, modern eerie sounds, will let you sample and record stuff to discs, make stuff sound like an old record with scratches and also sound like a symphony orchestra string section (with cinemascope sound quality) but I'm sure someday something like that will exist. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 11:49:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27683; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:49:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:49:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Silly off-topic but COULD be on topic question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:37:25 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <"5JUCq3.0.pH6.AZPeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone know what the list price of the new Alesis analog synth is? It looks kind of like a Waldorf Q, but probably much cheaper. And not as yellow (darn). But still very cool. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 12:48:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23915; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:48:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:48:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:37:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Silly off-topic but COULD be on topic question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"FpUy-3.0.Z-4.-LQeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:37 AM -0600 2/9/00, Todd Madson wrote: >Anyone know what the list price of the new Alesis analog synth is? > >It looks kind of like a Waldorf Q, but probably much cheaper. > >And not as yellow (darn). But still very cool. Not particularly cheaper, either, at $3500. Chris _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 13:14:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01920; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:14:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:14:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <015101bf7326$e70047d0$b54badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Silly off-topic but COULD be on topic question Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:55:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"oRhMV2.0.9D6.RbQeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The new Alesis Andromeda will list at $3500.00... Street price probably much lower. Maybe $2700-2900. - Larry >Anyone know what the list price of the new Alesis analog synth is? > >It looks kind of like a Waldorf Q, but probably much cheaper. > >And not as yellow (darn). But still very cool. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 12:52:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25517; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:52:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:52:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:50:45 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01BF72E3.22A11D30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003701bf72e7$d5815ce0$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"F8akE3.0.vl5.8VQeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BF72E3.22A11D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So what? Just because one insane Kurzweil slaseperson was prepared to pay $3,000 becuase he though he would never see one built again doesn't mean that you are going to sell many at $1100. The product will die and then they will not be made again. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Trace Elliot Ltd [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 2:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: It's a small price to pay for such an excellent product. One was sold secondhand via NET auction for $3000. I can assure everyone that we are making the slimmest of margins on the EDP. Ah!, the joys of manufacturing. Andy Trace Elliot Contact Information ************************************* Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd Blackwater Trading Estate The Causeway Maldon Essex United Kingdom CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BF72E3.22A11D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So=20 what? Just because one insane Kurzweil slaseperson was prepared to pay = $3,000=20 becuase he though he would never see one built again doesn't mean that = you are=20 going to sell many at $1100. The product will die and then they will not = be made=20 again.
 
bIz
-----Original Message-----
From: Trace Elliot Ltd=20 [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, = 2000=20 2:24 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject:=20

It's a small price to pay for such an = excellent=20 product. One was sold secondhand via NET auction for = $3000.
I can assure everyone that we are = making the=20 slimmest of margins on the EDP. Ah!, the joys of = manufacturing.
Andy
 
 
 
Trace Elliot Contact=20 Information
*************************************
Trace Elliot = (UK)=20 Ltd
Blackwater Trading Estate
The = Causeway
Maldon
Essex
United=20 Kingdom
CM9 4GG
 
Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851
Fax: +44 = (0)1621=20 851932
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BF72E3.22A11D30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 13:31:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07422; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:31:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:31:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 10:21:45 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, jbiz@linkexchange.com Subject: Re: RE: Resent-Message-ID: <"Z0iVh1.0.aK1.G3Reu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey everyone... we've also just heard they're going for ~$660 at Alto. This is about $100 more than we paid in the previous Alto deal. More expensive? Yes... Available and in a similar ballpark? YES! They will probalby cost more at other stores, but thems the breaks gang... This bitching about $1100 is not doing much for me... -m >>> "Jonathan El-Bizri" 02/09 9:50 AM >>> So what? Just because one insane Kurzweil slaseperson was prepared to pay $3,000 becuase he though he would never see one built again doesn't mean that you are going to sell many at $1100. The product will die and then they will not be made again. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Trace Elliot Ltd [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 2:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: It's a small price to pay for such an excellent product. One was sold secondhand via NET auction for $3000. I can assure everyone that we are making the slimmest of margins on the EDP. Ah!, the joys of manufacturing. Andy Trace Elliot Contact Information ************************************* Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd Blackwater Trading Estate The Causeway Maldon Essex United Kingdom CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 14:26:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03948; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:26:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:26:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Kim Flint To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Silly off-topic but COULD be on topic question Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:01:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"_cAig2.0.Ue5.PdReu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Chris Muir said: > At 10:37 AM -0600 2/9/00, Todd Madson wrote: > >Anyone know what the list price of the new Alesis analog synth is? > > > >It looks kind of like a Waldorf Q, but probably much cheaper. > > > >And not as yellow (darn). But still very cool. > > Not particularly cheaper, either, at $3500. The guy told me $3600, and it won't be out until fall. It's true analog though, with a nice feature set and a great sound. It seems to me you'd have to be a real analog fanatic to pick it over the numerous "digitally modeled analog" synths out there, but I don't think you would be unhappy if you did. OB loop: Mike Matthews of Electro-Harmonix says a 16 Second Delay reissue is nowhere near completion..... ___________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-845-6383 Manager, System Engineering kflint@ati.com ATI Research, Inc. http://www.ati.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 14:33:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05785; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:33:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:33:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:22:04 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, kflint@ati.com Subject: Re: RE: Silly off-topic but COULD be on topic question Resent-Message-ID: <"6QQHK3.0.3h.vxReu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > OB loop: Mike Matthews of Electro-Harmonix says a 16 Second Delay reissue is nowhere near completion..... Talk about salt in the wound! 8-) -m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 15:39:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04536; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:39:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:39:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C413015D@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Silly off-topic but COULD be on topic question Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:24:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"nRRks1.0.U9.cqSeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OB loop: Mike Matthews of Electro-Harmonix says a 16 Second Delay reissue is nowhere near completion..... ** suprise, suprise, suprise (on best gomer pyle imitation) stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 16:01:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16852; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:01:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:01:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005e01bf733f$a3dd81c0$0264a8c0@okeefe.sf.gomotech.com> From: "Jan P" To: Cc: Subject: Re: looper-friendly MIDI sequencer? Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:44:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"GqKps.0.QR3.nDTeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com this must be parallel ideation at work again.. damn them mayans.. i am currently spec-ing a platform for a real-time opensource performance oriented loop tool... looking at maxmsp, beos, and linux... among the features would be the ability to visually arrange the loop fragments as they are entered, and to transition between scenes gradually-- fade this snip in over n bars, for example.. with a performance-oriented user interface... backwards-- the idea extends the basic delay line to a more acid-like concept where you have fragments which together form the piece.. the fragments all loop, are all synced together and with midiclock. fragments could initially be tapped in. one thing id like to work on is having switching between multiple outputs-- so that you could potentially build sections of the piece in your own private headphone mix and then fade them in to a mainmix, or blast them in.. multiple synced musicians working together could coordinate pieces and work on different substructures within the soundspace simultaneously. of course, its just a lofty dream. but manifestation is inevitable when we see the illusion of rhythm. btw if anyone is interested in collaborating, pls let me know. im doing a little work for David Z. of Cycling74 and trying to hook into CNMAT in Berkeley so that the resource pool builds.. The MAXMSP people had this idea awhile ago and toyed with it. in lakech -jan -----Original Message----- From: eric To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 9:13 PM Subject: looper-friendly MIDI sequencer? >howdy. >I use MOTU's Performer (not DP) - a not-so-aptly-named piece of software >IMHO. Interested in actually performing with malleable MIDI situations, >I have found that a simple act such as vamping on a particular measure >of a sequence and then continuing on to an another vamp on down the line >a bit is possible (with Perf.) but akward. The memory loop points are >designed (as is the Polar function in DP) more for creating than >performing. So I am frustrated. > >Here is an example of a software user interface that would turn me on: >little whirlpools dot the screen - representing loops; lines are drawn >between many of the spirals - representing transitions. The idea is >simple: click a spiral and you loop, click a line between that spiral >and any other and at the next loop end (like a drum machine (a feature >sorely lacking in Performer)) the music follows a precomposed transition >to another loop pool. The system could work for a single song or an >entire reperetoire. > >Has anyone seen or heard anything about anything even remotely like >this? >Is this doable in MAX? Anyone interested in designing some software? > >carry on, >eric o. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 16:47:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05025; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:47:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:47:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A1DC0B.D9A4240B@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 13:30:10 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: price wars References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QDZXL2.0.wL7.FkTeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i agree w/ miko. i mean, is it disputed that there's anything remotely in this price range that does the kinds of things this box does (or will do)? i can't wait for the next wave of nickel & dime arguments once these units hit the stores..:-) lance g. Mike Biffle wrote: > Hey everyone... we've also just heard they're going for ~$660 at Alto. > This is about $100 more than we paid in the previous Alto deal. More > expensive? Yes... Available and in a similar ballpark? YES! They will > probalby cost more at other stores, but thems the breaks gang... This > bitching about $1100 is not doing much for me... > > -m > > >>> "Jonathan El-Bizri" 02/09 9:50 AM >>> > So what? Just because one insane Kurzweil slaseperson was prepared to > pay > $3,000 becuase he though he would never see one built again doesn't > mean > that you are going to sell many at $1100. The product will die and > then they > will not be made again. > > bIz > -----Original Message----- > From: Trace Elliot Ltd [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 2:24 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: > > It's a small price to pay for such an excellent product. One was > sold > secondhand via NET auction for $3000. > I can assure everyone that we are making the slimmest of margins on > the > EDP. Ah!, the joys of manufacturing. > Andy > > Trace Elliot Contact Information > ************************************* > Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd > Blackwater Trading Estate > The Causeway > Maldon > Essex > United Kingdom > CM9 4GG > > Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 > Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 17:04:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14713; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:04:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:04:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: some e-mail addresses, again please Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:54:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"H9Eb12.0.r73.pAUeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm trying to contact the following people. If you read this, please send me e-mail. Paul Pokorski Mike Criscione Gregor Hilbe Tyondai Braxton Florian Antoine Mark Sottilaro Stephen Katz Robert Bulanyi Trent Humphreys David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 17:25:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26027; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:25:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:25:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000209221816.52146.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.129.243.247] From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Fwd: FW: NELS CLINE & GREGG BENDIAN - INTERSTELLAR SPACE: THE MUSIC OF JOHN COLTRANE *[ SEATTLE SHOW ADDED! ]* Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:18:16 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"XjWkE.0.oz4.9VUeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry for the kind of Off Topic post, but this is a show not to be missed if you are in the Seattle area, and maybe an excuse to visit. Subject: NELS CLINE & GREGG BENDIAN - INTERSTELLAR SPACE: THE MUSIC OF JOHN COLTRANE *[ SEATTLE SHOW ADDED! ]* ******** FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ******** A VERY SPECIAL CONCERT IS ON THE WAY: (right around the corner!) ====================================== NELS CLINE / GREGG BENDIAN - INTERSTELLAR SPACE REVISITED: THE MUSIC OF JOHN COLTRANE ====================================== APPEARING FEBRUARY 26th at THE RAINBOW *** With Special Guests: PROJECT W *** ====================================== COST: $7 DOS (no advance tickets) TIME: 9:30pm sharp - PROJECT W opens the show) ============================================== FROM: THE RAINBOW, 722 NE 45th St. (in Seattle's U-District) (206) 634-1761 / BOOKING: Pete @ 206-706-9087 ============================================== MEDIA CONTACT: Jim @ 206-322-1783 FOR MORE INFO/ETC ============================================== The Rainbow is pleased to welcome two incredibly talented & versatile musicians to our fine city: Electric guitarist *NELS CLINE* (of GERALDINE FIBBERS, SCARNELLA, BANYAN, MIKE WATT, THURSTON MOORE, and NELS CLINE TRIO fame, among others) *and* drummer *GREGG BENDIAN* (of SIGN OF FOUR - w/PAT METHENY, INTERZONE, TRIO PIANISSIMO, CECIL TAYLOR, DEREK BAILEY, and PETER BROTZMANN fame, etc.) for what promises to be a truly ~SPECIAL~ night of music. Nels & Greg are touring behind their *HIGHLY ACCLAIMED* album "Interstellar Space Revisited: The Music of John Coltrane" (Atavistic Records - http://www.atavistic.com ) * which recently made WIRE (UK) Magazine's TOP TEN JAZZ CD's OF 1999 LIST *and* is praised by none other than RASHIED ALI HIMSELF in a four-page cover-story spread currently found in the February issue of JAZZIZ Magazine! This performance will, like their above-mentioned live CD, find them COVERING John Coltrane & Rashied Ali's CLASSIC duo album "Interstellar Space" (rec. in 1967, just before John's death) in its ENTIRETY. They'll offer up their own rendition, an HOMAGE if you will, of this landmark session. (along with some other choice late-era Coltrane selections!) Nels Cline, who's improvisational imagination is nothing but amazing, has worked with a variety of rock and jazz musicians - including Mike Watt of Firehose/Minutemen fame, as noted above. Bendian has pounded the skins with such legendary jazz artists as Cecil Taylor, arguably the greatest "free" piano player of all time. The two of them use the songs from Coltrane's album as springboards to new - and totally innovative, musical worlds. Whether you choose to call their creations free jazz, space music, avant-garde exploration, experimental improvisation, * or what have you - one thing's for SURE: THIS IS PASSIONATE *SOUL* MUSIC. = For more on Nels Cline, there are a couple of interesting articles linked up via his "unofficial" homepage: http://people.we.mediaone.net/dbeihoff/NCAS/index.html Openers PROJECT W are a fiery trio featuring saxophonist WALLY SHOUP alongside cellist BRENT ARNOLD & drummer GREG CAMPBELL. More on this great band of local improvisers can be found via: http://www.speakeasy.org/wshoup/ They are led by Wally, a longtime Seattle-based and world renowned saxophone adventurer, who has also recorded with Sonic Youth's Thurston Moore, as a matter of fact (as Nels Cline once did). In the fall of 1999, Wally toured with Thurston Moore & the great Philadelphia-based percussionist Toshi Makihara. Their 9/20/99 Boston show was recorded and will be released on the Sublingual Label this Spring. Also out is a limited edition LP recording of PROJECT W's excellent opening performance for SONIC YOUTH at Seattle's Moore Theatre in 1998 - on Shrat Field Recordings. No doubt highly impressed by Wally's wide-open abilities, Thurston sought him out for a collaboration, and more will most probably follow. In the meantime, remember that: ++++ A SHOW LIKE THIS DOESN'T COME AROUND VERY OFTEN!! ++++ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 17:47:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03565; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:47:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:47:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:36:10 EST Subject: Re: FW: NELS CLINE & GREGG BENDIAN - INTERSTELLAR SPACE: THE MUSIC OF JOHN COLTRANE *[ SEATTLE SHOW ADDED! ]* To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 65 Resent-Message-ID: <"UqfD72.0.x97.ImUeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Will there be a live cd from the Nels Cline shows? Sidlo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 20:59:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28529; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:59:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:59:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <2d.11130fd.25d373ac@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:51:40 EST Subject: Princeton Loops To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"mYFDV1.0.vI6.FdXeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri. Feb. 11th. 7:30-9:30pm. (w/ J.Janetta-perc.) "Borders Books/ Music", Princeton, N.J. (609) 514-0040. <> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 21:07:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30301; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:07:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:07:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <054f01bf736b$270dbd50$b54badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: Cc: Subject: Re: looper-friendly MIDI sequencer? Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:04:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"JgVCt2.0.M07.WlXeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Save your braincells. I think you're looking for somehing like the DJRND2 by Emmanuel Perille. It might not be everything you want, but what is? There's info on the Looper's Delight site at: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/DJRND2/DJRND2.html - Larry >among the features would be the ability to visually arrange the loop >fragments as they are entered, and to transition between scenes gradually-- >fade this snip in over n bars, for example.. with a performance-oriented >user interface... > >backwards-- >the idea extends the basic delay line to a more acid-like concept where you >have fragments which together form the piece.. the fragments all loop, are >all synced together and with midiclock. fragments could initially be tapped >in. > >one thing id like to work on is having switching between multiple outputs-- >so that you could potentially build sections of the piece in your own >private headphone mix and then fade them in to a mainmix, or blast them in.. >multiple synced musicians working together could coordinate pieces and work >on different substructures within the soundspace simultaneously. > > >of course, its just a lofty dream. but manifestation is inevitable when we >see the illusion of rhythm. > > >btw if anyone is interested in collaborating, pls let me know. im doing a >little work for David Z. of Cycling74 and trying to hook into CNMAT in >Berkeley so that the resource pool builds.. The MAXMSP people had this idea >awhile ago and toyed with it. > >in lakech >-jan > >-----Original Message----- >From: eric >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 9:13 PM >Subject: looper-friendly MIDI sequencer? > > >>howdy. >>I use MOTU's Performer (not DP) - a not-so-aptly-named piece of software >>IMHO. Interested in actually performing with malleable MIDI situations, >>I have found that a simple act such as vamping on a particular measure >>of a sequence and then continuing on to an another vamp on down the line >>a bit is possible (with Perf.) but akward. The memory loop points are >>designed (as is the Polar function in DP) more for creating than >>performing. So I am frustrated. >> >>Here is an example of a software user interface that would turn me on: >>little whirlpools dot the screen - representing loops; lines are drawn >>between many of the spirals - representing transitions. The idea is >>simple: click a spiral and you loop, click a line between that spiral >>and any other and at the next loop end (like a drum machine (a feature >>sorely lacking in Performer)) the music follows a precomposed transition >>to another loop pool. The system could work for a single song or an >>entire reperetoire. >> >>Has anyone seen or heard anything about anything even remotely like >>this? >>Is this doable in MAX? Anyone interested in designing some software? >> >>carry on, >>eric o. >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 01:09:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13679; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 01:09:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 01:09:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000210060036.15738.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 22:00:36 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"gm2AT.0.xt2.7Gbeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just for comparison's sake..... Three years ago, the Guitar Center in Atlanta sold me an EDP WITHOUT a foot controller for $800. Because all of the other major mail-order places had them on back order, I went for it. While I was somewhat pained to later learn what some of you guys paid for your EDPs, I can assure you that I've never felt ripped off. I simply paid a premium to acquire a great device that was in short supply. I'm looking forward to a 2nd EDP at the Alto price! John --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > Bash! Bash! I'm sorry, but that's a ridiculous > price. > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 04:44:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06835; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 04:44:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 04:44:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <015001bf73a8$4b1aa2c0$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> From: "Trace Elliot Ltd" To: References: <20000208224815.40764.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000208232052.82238.qmail@hotmail.com> <38A15A6C.8F6DE0FC@latrobe.edu.au> Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:22:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"Vlvhv.0.cI.9Eeeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That actually translates into AUS$5000. You have to pay a premium for having all the sun, Andy, in the rain, at Trace Elliot. Trace Elliot Contact Information ************************************* Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd Blackwater Trading Estate The Causeway Maldon Essex United Kingdom CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 ----- Original Message ----- From: b.knox To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 12:15 PM Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. > "G716 - Greg S." wrote: > > > > > > 2) List price is $1150. > > > > ouch ... that should translate into AUS$2500 - $3000 ... again i say > ouch. ummmm... will they be shipping to Australia? :) i guess i don't > really need a car .. lol. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 06:19:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA17383; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 06:19:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 06:19:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A29BD5.A45A2C58@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 06:07:01 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: new tune Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8CADi1.0.eP2.Tnfeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi folks, i just put up a new tune, you can get it at, http://members.xoom.com/echo17/tbl.html for Real Audio or, http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Balcony/3906/ for the mp3. its called Schizosphere. looped of course, jd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 07:47:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22291; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:47:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:47:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A2BCDB.2A55819@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:27:59 +0000 From: Olivier Malhomme X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fizmo References: <200002101012.FAA19555@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"B7b8W.0.Ys2.Btgeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "I'm hoping someday to find some other synths at basement prices. I was keeping an eye on the Ensoniq Fizmo because it was being discontinued and it was as cheap as $200-400 at local stores." What where where WHEEEEERRREEEEEEEE????????? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 08:27:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07533; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:27:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:27:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:20:54 EST Subject: Re: fizmo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"6HqE91.0._H1.yiheu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was thinking of buying one until I read all the negative reviews at sonic state. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 09:40:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05561; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:40:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:40:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DE90@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Princeton Loops-so does Bloomington Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:21:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"0jLu-2.0.pB.Ncieu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey neat, I play at live solo electric guitar show w/loops there as well: Fri. feb 11th 8:00-10:00pm "Borders Books/ Music" Bloomington, In (don't know phone number) For those flying in, hotel reservations has been prepared.....haha...not Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -- Fri. Feb. 11th. 7:30-9:30pm. (w/ J.Janetta-perc.) "Borders Books/ Music", Princeton, N.J. (609) 514-0040. <> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 10:57:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13271; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:57:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:57:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:48:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <015001bf73a8$4b1aa2c0$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"O8dqW3.0.jD2.btjeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All the sun and legal pros... Oops, sorry, no looping content... | -----Original Message----- | From: Trace Elliot Ltd [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com] | Sent: Thursday 10 February 2000 1:22 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. | | | That actually translates into AUS$5000. You have to pay a | premium for having | all the sun, | Andy, in the rain, at Trace Elliot... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 11:28:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28719; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:28:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:28:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003201bf73e2$601427c0$46e3c09b@pbncomputer> From: "David Young" To: References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DE90@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:15:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"WouOf2.0.2R4.pFkeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: Taaffe, Denis G To: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 2:21 PM Subject: RE: Princeton Loops-so does Bloomington > Hey neat, > > I play at live solo electric guitar show w/loops there as well: > > Fri. feb 11th 8:00-10:00pm "Borders Books/ Music" Bloomington, In (don't > know phone number) > > For those flying in, hotel reservations has been prepared.....haha...not > > Thanks > Denis > > Denis Taaffe > denis_aliengtr@geocities.com > http://www.dtguitar.com > > > -- > > > Fri. Feb. 11th. 7:30-9:30pm. (w/ J.Janetta-perc.) "Borders Books/ Music", > Princeton, N.J. (609) 514-0040. > <> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 11:28:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28714; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:28:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:28:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <43.c9e6cb.25d43df3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:14:43 EST Subject: (CT) PROJECT ............. "FOUND" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"XmFA31.0.AT4.UGkeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i got mine and nothing seems the same.........well worth checking out, and the price is right.........michael mattdavignon@hotmail.com wrote: <> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 11:53:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08077; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:53:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:53:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: fizmo Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:48:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38A2BCDB.2A55819@vete.ucl.ac.be> Resent-Message-ID: <"bOwpi1.0.5E2.ctjeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, where? I want one too. | -----Original Message----- | From: Olivier Malhomme [mailto:malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be] | Sent: Thursday 10 February 2000 5:28 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: fizmo | | | "I'm hoping someday to find some other synths at basement prices. I | was keeping an eye on the Ensoniq Fizmo because it was being | discontinued | and it was as cheap as $200-400 at local stores." | | What where where WHEEEEERRREEEEEEEE????????? | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 12:15:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14821; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:15:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:15:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: fizmo Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:48:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"0_DNZ2.0.dE2.ftjeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Negative reviews schmooze-a-hoola. There's always somebody who is pissed when the rain stops. If you dig it that should be enough. | -----Original Message----- | From: Echophazer@aol.com [mailto:Echophazer@aol.com] | Sent: Thursday 10 February 2000 5:21 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: fizmo | | | I was thinking of buying one until I read all the negative | reviews at sonic | state. | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 12:54:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04542; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:54:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:54:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130168@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: shameless self-promotion, southern california style Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:27:38 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"HEu4t2.0.Tu5.BLleu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com two gigs with improvised loopage and mayhem: stinson/liebig/bendian trio g.e. stinson: guitars, applied tools, loopage steuart liebig: basses, stuff, loopage gregg bendian: drums/percussion one set 13 september 2000 8:00 p.m. $?.?? (sorry) soho 1221 state st. santa barbara, ca, usa 805.962.7776, 805.899.2176 BONE STRUCTURE g.e. Stinson - guitars, loopage gregg bendian - drums, steuart liebig - bass, loopage jeff gauthier - violins, loopage MICHAEL VLATKOVICH TRIO michael vlatkovitch - trombone, chris garcia - drums, bruce fowler - trombone Inner Ear Series CONJUCTIVE POINTS 3631 Hayden Avenue (between National and Higuera Streets) Culver City, CA, usa Free Parking available in the Culver City Warner Drive Lot 20 september 2000 Concerts begin at 8:00 PM $10.00 at the door CALL (310)-301-1611 for additional info From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 13:55:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00657; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:55:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:55:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Princeton Loops-so does Bloomington AND Tampa Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:04:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DE90@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"Aivbw.0.Na1.epleu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While we are doing this, I am playing Borders in Tampa, FL this Friday with my duo as well. I have also played a lot of Borders up the Eastern US- always has been a good place to play, and we seem to do well with CD sales too. We have played the one in Princeton (near my hometown in NJ) and it was a blast. And, for those with a good modem and/or a lot of time to download (an edit will be available soon): http://members.theglobe.com/TheMincer/Nightstars.mp3 (MP3 file 6.7MB) Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > Hey neat, > > I play at live solo electric guitar show w/loops there as well: > > Fri. feb 11th 8:00-10:00pm "Borders Books/ Music" Bloomington, In (don't > know phone number) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 14:21:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13666; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:21:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:21:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DE97@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: shameless self-promotion, southern california style Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:43:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"P3JV62.0.J46.SSmeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey that is quite a few gigs being announced on this list. It would be cool to have a portion of these gigs taped and made available as mp3's no? Maybe just a 2-3 minutes snip.Just a thought. Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com - stinson/liebig/bendian trio g.e. stinson: guitars, applied tools, loopage steuart liebig: basses, stuff, loopage gregg bendian: drums/percussion one set 13 september 2000 8:00 p.m. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 14:51:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24379; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:51:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:51:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130171@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: shameless self-promotion, southern california style Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:17:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"OLxYc3.0.uG2.zxmeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com okay, i plead idiocy . . . i copied the thing and didn't check the thing too carefully . . . FEBRUARY not september. (i don't really expect people to be markign their calanders that far into the future.) geez, what a dork! sorry . . . stig make all of that: two gigs with improvised loopage and mayhem: stinson/liebig/bendian trio g.e. stinson: guitars, applied tools, loopage steuart liebig: basses, stuff, loopage gregg bendian: drums/percussion one set 13 february 2000 8:00 p.m. $?.?? (sorry) soho 1221 state st. santa barbara, ca, usa 805.962.7776, 805.899.2176 BONE STRUCTURE g.e. Stinson - guitars, loopage gregg bendian - drums, steuart liebig - bass, loopage jeff gauthier - violins, loopage MICHAEL VLATKOVICH TRIO michael vlatkovitch - trombone, chris garcia - drums, bruce fowler - trombone Inner Ear Series CONJUCTIVE POINTS 3631 Hayden Avenue (between National and Higuera Streets) Culver City, CA, usa Free Parking available in the Culver City Warner Drive Lot 20 february 2000 Concerts begin at 8:00 PM $10.00 at the door CALL (310)-301-1611 for additional info From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 22:49:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04508; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:49:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:49:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <49.11600ac.25d4d4d6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:58:30 EST Subject: Looping on radio To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 65 Resent-Message-ID: <"fsWHx2.0.mT3.Miteu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Short notice. I'll be looping tonight at 10:00pm on KSYM. San Antonio College. For 30 minutes? James H. Sidlo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 00:49:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30514; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:49:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:49:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:34:40 -0800 (PST) From: Haitch Cee To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: radio show tonight In-Reply-To: <49.11600ac.25d4d4d6@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"68Lbf1.0._L5.qzveu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com heya folks . loopi stuff going on on plutonian nights tonight . press release / shoutcast info etc available at: http://sine.ranch.org/pluto show starts at 1am (PST) and goes until dawn cheers =) rich -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- haitch c soundcraft / sinesite: http://sine.ranch.org s i n u s o i d a l \ email: sine@ranch.org records / bc.canada / artists. mp3s. realaudio. forums. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- plutonian nights radio show -+- http://sine.ranch.org/pluto From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 05:44:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16595; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 05:44:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 05:44:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38A3E42C.9182C754@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:27:56 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight CC: Drummer List Subject: OT: mingus, coltrane, vicious, and buddha having lunch ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9TXiJ2.0.OR3.sO-eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com funny little article for those of you into these guys ... http://www.furious.com/perfect/mingusplay.html sorry 4 the disturbance ... rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 06:26:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03188; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 06:26:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 06:26:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <02ce01bf747f$b073a220$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> From: "Trace Elliot Ltd" To: , References: <38A1DC0B.D9A4240B@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: price wars Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:03:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"uXTtp2.0.GO6.hq-eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All this is good publicity. In fact the price has just doubled. Trace Elliot Contact Information ************************************* Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd Blackwater Trading Estate The Causeway Maldon Essex United Kingdom CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 ----- Original Message ----- From: lance glover To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 9:30 PM Subject: Re: price wars > i agree w/ miko. > > i mean, is it disputed that there's anything remotely in this price range > that does the kinds of things this box does (or will do)? i can't wait > for the next wave of nickel & dime arguments once these units hit the > stores..:-) > > lance g. > > > Mike Biffle wrote: > > > Hey everyone... we've also just heard they're going for ~$660 at Alto. > > This is about $100 more than we paid in the previous Alto deal. More > > expensive? Yes... Available and in a similar ballpark? YES! They will > > probalby cost more at other stores, but thems the breaks gang... This > > bitching about $1100 is not doing much for me... > > > > -m > > > > >>> "Jonathan El-Bizri" 02/09 9:50 AM >>> > > So what? Just because one insane Kurzweil slaseperson was prepared to > > pay > > $3,000 becuase he though he would never see one built again doesn't > > mean > > that you are going to sell many at $1100. The product will die and > > then they > > will not be made again. > > > > bIz > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Trace Elliot Ltd [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 2:24 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: > > > > It's a small price to pay for such an excellent product. One was > > sold > > secondhand via NET auction for $3000. > > I can assure everyone that we are making the slimmest of margins on > > the > > EDP. Ah!, the joys of manufacturing. > > Andy > > > > Trace Elliot Contact Information > > ************************************* > > Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd > > Blackwater Trading Estate > > The Causeway > > Maldon > > Essex > > United Kingdom > > CM9 4GG > > > > Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 > > Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 07:06:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16831; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:06:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:06:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000211120149.22692.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 04:01:49 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: price wars To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"uJcFF2.0.q_3.me_eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Since you guys are listening, can you tell us how much memory will come installed on the EDP? The "Full Monty" I hope! John PS- Will you offer discounts to anyone who can recite dialogue from "The Young Ones" or "Fawlty Towers"? --- Trace Elliot Ltd wrote: > All this is good publicity. In fact the price has > just doubled. > Trace Elliot Contact Information > ************************************* > Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd > Blackwater Trading Estate > The Causeway > Maldon > Essex > United Kingdom > CM9 4GG ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 07:48:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02608; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:48:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:48:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <28.1af5921.25d55d54@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:40:52 EST Subject: Re: price wars To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"ttJ4E3.0.517.TD0fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I heard 50 seconds From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 10:41:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02545; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:41:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:41:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38A3DC61.E5D21065@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:54:41 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: shameless self-promotion, southern california style References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130168@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RIfj43.0.OQ7.Jf2fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey stig are you on the ge stinson almbum "vapor"? this just got a great review in the wire! have a great gig - when are you guys coming to europe? l8ter, rob Liebig, Steuart A. schrieb: > > two gigs with improvised loopage and mayhem: > > stinson/liebig/bendian trio > > g.e. stinson: guitars, applied tools, loopage > steuart liebig: basses, stuff, loopage > gregg bendian: drums/percussion > > one set > 13 september 2000 > 8:00 p.m. > $?.?? (sorry) > soho > 1221 state st. > santa barbara, ca, usa > 805.962.7776, 805.899.2176 > > BONE STRUCTURE > g.e. Stinson - guitars, loopage > gregg bendian - drums, > steuart liebig - bass, loopage > jeff gauthier - violins, loopage > > MICHAEL VLATKOVICH TRIO > michael vlatkovitch - trombone, > chris garcia - drums, > bruce fowler - trombone > > > Inner Ear Series > CONJUCTIVE POINTS > > 3631 Hayden Avenue > (between National and Higuera Streets) > Culver City, CA, usa > Free Parking available in the Culver City Warner Drive Lot > > 20 september 2000 > Concerts begin at 8:00 PM > $10.00 at the door > CALL (310)-301-1611 for additional info From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 10:55:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08281; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:55:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:55:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: price wars Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:41:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <02ce01bf747f$b073a220$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"Z5IDe3.0.ah.pt2fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's not funny even as a joke. | -----Original Message----- | From: Trace Elliot Ltd [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com] | Sent: Friday 11 February 2000 3:04 AM | To: baumhaus@earthlink.net; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: price wars | | | All this is good publicity. In fact the price has just doubled. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 11:25:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17799; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:25:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:25:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DEB8@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looping on radio Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:55:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"smGHm1.0.J12.C43fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy, I do a show tonight as well at borders for 2 hours. I played a gig last week for 2 1/2 hours. I played nonstop without a break and was exhausted at the end,my hand ached that night a little haha. SO 30 minutes nonstop is decent. Tonight I plan to take a break after an hour.2 hours is kind of long I find.will you be looping guitar stuff? Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Jhsidlo@aol.com [mailto:Jhsidlo@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 9:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looping on radio Short notice. I'll be looping tonight at 10:00pm on KSYM. San Antonio College. For 30 minutes? James H. Sidlo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 11:32:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19756; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:32:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:32:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DEBA@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , baumhaus@earthlink.net Subject: RE: price wars Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:59:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"WSHkf1.0.xP2.193fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Now that really is how the music biz works....haha Denis - Subject: Re: price wars All this is good publicity. In fact the price has just doubled. Trace Elliot Contact Information * From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 12:32:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09730; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:32:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:32:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:25:08 -0800 (PST) From: Haitch Cee To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: plutonian nights apologies to shoutcast users In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DEB8@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"9mp2Z2.0.5v1.tN4fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com heya all seems that some of you out-of-FM-range folks had problems connecting with the zilTV shoutcast rebroadcast last night . apologies for that. we'll get it resolved for next weeks show . too bad though, you missed me disolving into a sleepdep void 4 hours into my set . you also missed me pounding rhythms out on my gut by request from a caller . interesting night all-round . thanks go to ghoulash for bailing me out with the broad use of lude northern humour and instant coffee =P cheers rich -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- haitch c soundcraft / sinesite: http://sine.ranch.org s i n u s o i d a l \ email: sine@ranch.org records / bc.canada / artists. mp3s. realaudio. forums. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- plutonian nights radio show -+- http://sine.ranch.org/pluto From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 13:27:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01339; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:27:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:27:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000211132045.008a1da0@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:20:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: GFX8 In-Reply-To: <02ce01bf747f$b073a220$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> References: <38A1DC0B.D9A4240B@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8AQbU3.0.mZ7.2A5fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com any one use the Zoom GFX 8 forlooping?? what's the call on that unit?? thanx, andre' LOOPING next friday in NYC..at theKNit (see below)!! NEXT GIG: Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage 74 Leonard St - NYC - 212-219-3006- http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast!!?? ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 13:39:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05121; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:39:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:39:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Looping on radio Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:35:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DEB8@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"yJ6--1.0.ek.8M5fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tonight, the duo I am in will be playing at Borders as well. Plenty of looping, and we always record the shows to MiniDisc so we can post clips of the stuff we like. Alos, for those who play at Borders now and then- we always ask play in the back of the store in the 'art book' section- there are usually the biggest couches and chairs there, and it is far away from the noise of the cafe. The clip I mentioned yesterday (copied below) was recorded at Borders last month. Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave ****(And, for those with a good modem and/or a lot of time to download (an edit will be available soon): http://members.theglobe.com/TheMincer/Nightstars.mp3 (MP3 file 6.7MB)***** > Howdy, > > I do a show tonight as well at borders for 2 hours. I played a gig > last week for 2 1/2 hours. I played nonstop without a break and was > exhausted at the end,my hand ached that night a little haha. SO 30 minutes > nonstop is decent. Tonight I plan to take a break after an hour.2 hours is > kind of long I find.will you be looping guitar stuff? > > Thanks > Denis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 15:36:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23150; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:36:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:36:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:56:03 EST Subject: Re: RE: shameless self-promotion, southern california style To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"o2Lb23.0.Jl1.sb6fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey STig! I can't believe I'll ever get to see you guys play! Do you realize that I've been open to the idea of seeing you play here locally for almost a year and a half?!?! I'm tempted to drive up to SB, but I've been doing way too much driving lately and I'd probably be late. And on the 20th I'm gigging with the modern dance chicks. Schedules... I think I need to do one or two less things in life. It seems as if every two hours I'm supposed to be somewhere I'm not. I did manage to catch Nels quite by accident down at the Smell a coupla weeks back - acoustic trio! I saw Dane the other night, at the academy nominating for sound FX oscars. He did some great stuff in the Matrix. It's kind of a fun night where we review 10-minute clips of the most sound intensive stuff of the year. My boss is up for The Green Mile, on which I did crazy electrocution recordings, etc. How was London? Find any good blowing/ripping music? eric p From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 16:10:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03975; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:10:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:10:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.15f0b4e.25d5d172@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:56:18 EST Subject: SSSorry! That was for STIG only! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"_IjA63.0.n_7.LU7fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry Folks, that was for Stig, not everybody! eric p From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 16:08:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03829; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:08:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:08:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C413018C@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: RE: shameless self-promotion, southern california style Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:59:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"G9VvA.0.zC.gX7fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I can't believe I'll ever get to see you guys play! Do you realize that I've been open to the idea of seeing you play here locally for almost a year and a half?!?! I'm tempted to drive up to SB, but I've been doing way too much driving lately and I'd probably be late. And on the 20th I'm gigging with the modern dance chicks. Schedules... ** wowee. well sometime there will be a chance. dance thing sounds fun. I think I need to do one or two less things in life. It seems as if every two hours I'm supposed to be somewhere I'm not. ** naw, do it all . . . and more. I did manage to catch Nels quite by accident down at the Smell a coupla weeks back - acoustic trio! ** who was in that? I saw Dane the other night, at the academy nominating for sound FX oscars. He did some great stuff in the Matrix. It's kind of a fun night where we review 10-minute clips of the most sound intensive stuff of the year. My boss is up for The Green Mile, on which I did crazy electrocution recordings, etc. ** great. i should really say hi to him at some point soon. How was London? Find any good blowing/ripping music? ** going end of march. s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 16:17:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08610; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:17:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:17:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C413018E@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: RE: shameless self-promotion, southern california style Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:09:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"TIkbc1.0.l_.Zh7fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorry . . . thought this was private (color me a dope!) s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 17:24:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16982; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 17:24:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 17:24:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: fizmo and such Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:05:14 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <"nzQ0Q.0.Yk1.tU8fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The local guitar center/mars stores were blowing them out for around $400, I heard at least one report of a floor demo model selling for $200. This is the american midwest (Minnesota). The Musicians' Friend catalog had it for $400 as well. Used? I don't know. I don't care if it had bad reviews, I was making some of the coolest hallucinogenic textures ever, right in the store and I wasn't even trying. They probably thought I was sick. Live electric guitar and loops in a borders? There is hope for me yet. I wanna do that. I gotta do some gigs or I'll just sit in my basement forever. Speaking of which, Rev 1 of "Loop 45", my 45 minute loop suite is pretty much done, but I have another long form piece I could make it morph into making it LOOP80. That would be a good thing, 80 minutes of looped insanity. Don't get me started! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 18:20:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07321; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 18:20:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 18:20:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: WHOA!?!?!? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:43:36 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <"MBO5t3.0.WV.5U9fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Modern Dance Chicks?!?!?!? Wow! Do they loop? Just kidding. Going on a sojourn to Texas real soon now, San Antonio and then Port Aransas - any looping to speak of? -Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 19:01:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21657; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:01:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:01:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A4A34E.6A52FD52@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:03:35 -0800 From: Mark Boccaccio Reply-To: boccaccio@mindspring.com Organization: Nightrain Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #37 References: <200002112151.QAA31461@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6klhh2.0.Bv4.Y6Afu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com wrote: > Subject: > > Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 37 > > Today's Topics: > Re: Alto Music offering EDP discount [ "Trace Elliot Ltd" new tune [ Jeff Duke ] > Re: fizmo [ Olivier Malhomme Re: fizmo [ Echophazer@aol.com ] > RE: Princeton Loops-so does Blooming [ "Taaffe, Denis G" RE: Alto Music offering EDP discount [ "Javier Miranda V." unsubscribe [ "David Young" (CT) PROJECT ............. "FOUND" [ Nemoguitt@aol.com ] > RE: fizmo [ "Javier Miranda V." RE: fizmo [ "Javier Miranda V." shameless self-promotion, southern c [ "Liebig, Steuart A." RE: Princeton Loops-so does Blooming [ "future perfect" ] > RE: shameless self-promotion, southe [ "Taaffe, Denis G" RE: shameless self-promotion, southe [ "Liebig, Steuart A." Looping on radio [ Jhsidlo@aol.com ] > radio show tonight [ Haitch Cee ] > OT: mingus, coltrane, vicious, and b [ Cummings Re: price wars [ "Trace Elliot Ltd" Re: price wars [ John Tidwell ] > Re: price wars [ Madoud@aol.com ] > Re: shameless self-promotion, southe [ Cummings RE: price wars [ "Javier Miranda V." RE: Looping on radio [ "Taaffe, Denis G" RE: price wars [ "Taaffe, Denis G" plutonian nights apologies to shoutc [ Haitch Cee ] > Re: GFX8 [ andre ] > RE: Looping on radio [ "future perfect" ] > Re: RE: shameless self-promotion, so [ Echopark99@aol.com ] > SSSorry! That was for STIG only! [ Echopark99@aol.com ] > RE: RE: shameless self-promotion, so [ "Liebig, Steuart A." > Administrivia: > Looper's Delight > **************** > > Please send posts to: > > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Don't send them to the digest! > > To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email > with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no > signature files, to: > > Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com > > To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email > with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no > signature files, to: > > Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! > > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > > Your humble list maintainer, > > Kim Flint > kflint@annihilist.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:22:00 -0000 > From: "Trace Elliot Ltd" > To: > > That actually translates into AUS$5000. You have to pay a premium for having > all the sun, > Andy, in the rain, at Trace Elliot. > > Trace Elliot Contact Information > ************************************* > Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd > Blackwater Trading Estate > The Causeway > Maldon > Essex > United Kingdom > CM9 4GG > > Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 > Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: b.knox > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 12:15 PM > Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. > > > "G716 - Greg S." wrote: > > > > > > > > > 2) List price is $1150. > > > > > > > ouch ... that should translate into AUS$2500 - $3000 ... again i say > > ouch. ummmm... will they be shipping to Australia? :) i guess i don't > > really need a car .. lol. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: new tune > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 06:07:01 -0500 > From: Jeff Duke > To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" > > Hi folks, i just put up a new tune, you can get it > at, > http://members.xoom.com/echo17/tbl.html for Real > Audio or, > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Balcony/3906/ > for the mp3. > its called Schizosphere. > looped of course, > jd > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: fizmo > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:27:59 +0000 > From: Olivier Malhomme > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > "I'm hoping someday to find some other synths at basement prices. I > was keeping an eye on the Ensoniq Fizmo because it was being > discontinued > and it was as cheap as $200-400 at local stores." > > What where where WHEEEEERRREEEEEEEE????????? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: fizmo > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:20:54 EST > From: Echophazer@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > I was thinking of buying one until I read all the negative reviews at sonic > state. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: Princeton Loops-so does Bloomington > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:21:11 -0500 > From: "Taaffe, Denis G" > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > > Hey neat, > > I play at live solo electric guitar show w/loops there as well: > > Fri. feb 11th 8:00-10:00pm "Borders Books/ Music" Bloomington, In (don't > know phone number) > > For those flying in, hotel reservations has been prepared.....haha...not > > Thanks > Denis > > Denis Taaffe > denis_aliengtr@geocities.com > http://www.dtguitar.com > > -- > > Fri. Feb. 11th. 7:30-9:30pm. (w/ J.Janetta-perc.) "Borders Books/ Music", > Princeton, N.J. (609) 514-0040. > <> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:48:39 -0800 > From: "Javier Miranda V." > To: > > All the sun and legal pros... Oops, sorry, no looping content... > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Trace Elliot Ltd [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com] > | Sent: Thursday 10 February 2000 1:22 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. > | > | > | That actually translates into AUS$5000. You have to pay a > | premium for having > | all the sun, > | Andy, in the rain, at Trace Elliot... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: unsubscribe > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:15:58 -0000 > From: "David Young" > To: > > unsubscribe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Taaffe, Denis G > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 2:21 PM > Subject: RE: Princeton Loops-so does Bloomington > > > Hey neat, > > > > I play at live solo electric guitar show w/loops there as well: > > > > Fri. feb 11th 8:00-10:00pm "Borders Books/ Music" Bloomington, In (don't > > know phone number) > > > > For those flying in, hotel reservations has been prepared.....haha...not > > > > Thanks > > Denis > > > > Denis Taaffe > > denis_aliengtr@geocities.com > > http://www.dtguitar.com > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Fri. Feb. 11th. 7:30-9:30pm. (w/ J.Janetta-perc.) "Borders Books/ Music", > > Princeton, N.J. (609) 514-0040. > > <> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: (CT) PROJECT ............. "FOUND" > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:14:43 EST > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > i got mine and nothing seems the same.........well worth checking out, and > the price is right.........michael > > mattdavignon@hotmail.com wrote: > > < at > http://www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/foundsound.html > > or just get there the easy way by going to > > www.loopxchange.com > > You can also order the disc for the unheard-of low price of $5 per disc. > (It's a full length disc if you were wondering). Contact me via e-mail if > you want one.>> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: fizmo > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:48:41 -0800 > From: "Javier Miranda V." > To: > > Yeah, where? I want one too. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Olivier Malhomme [mailto:malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be] > | Sent: Thursday 10 February 2000 5:28 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: fizmo > | > | > | "I'm hoping someday to find some other synths at basement prices. I > | was keeping an eye on the Ensoniq Fizmo because it was being > | discontinued > | and it was as cheap as $200-400 at local stores." > | > | What where where WHEEEEERRREEEEEEEE????????? > | > | > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: fizmo > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:48:42 -0800 > From: "Javier Miranda V." > To: > > Negative reviews schmooze-a-hoola. There's always somebody who is pissed > when the rain stops. If you dig it that should be enough. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Echophazer@aol.com [mailto:Echophazer@aol.com] > | Sent: Thursday 10 February 2000 5:21 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: fizmo > | > | > | I was thinking of buying one until I read all the negative > | reviews at sonic > | state. > | > | > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: shameless self-promotion, southern california style > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:27:38 -0500 > From: "Liebig, Steuart A." > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > > two gigs with improvised loopage and mayhem: > > stinson/liebig/bendian trio > > g.e. stinson: guitars, applied tools, loopage > steuart liebig: basses, stuff, loopage > gregg bendian: drums/percussion > > one set > 13 september 2000 > 8:00 p.m. > $?.?? (sorry) > soho > 1221 state st. > santa barbara, ca, usa > 805.962.7776, 805.899.2176 > > BONE STRUCTURE > g.e. Stinson - guitars, loopage > gregg bendian - drums, > steuart liebig - bass, loopage > jeff gauthier - violins, loopage > > MICHAEL VLATKOVICH TRIO > michael vlatkovitch - trombone, > chris garcia - drums, > bruce fowler - trombone > > > Inner Ear Series > CONJUCTIVE POINTS > > 3631 Hayden Avenue > (between National and Higuera Streets) > Culver City, CA, usa > Free Parking available in the Culver City Warner Drive Lot > > 20 september 2000 > Concerts begin at 8:00 PM > $10.00 at the door > CALL (310)-301-1611 for additional info > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: Princeton Loops-so does Bloomington AND Tampa > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:04:50 -0500 > From: "future perfect" > To: > > While we are doing this, I am playing Borders in Tampa, FL this Friday with > my duo as well. I have also played a lot of Borders up the Eastern US- > always has been a good place to play, and we seem to do well with CD sales > too. We have played the one in Princeton (near my hometown in NJ) and it was > a blast. > And, for those with a good modem and/or a lot of time to download (an edit > will be available soon): > http://members.theglobe.com/TheMincer/Nightstars.mp3 (MP3 file 6.7MB) > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > 'Future Perfect' - art music > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > > > Hey neat, > > > > I play at live solo electric guitar show w/loops there as well: > > > > Fri. feb 11th 8:00-10:00pm "Borders Books/ Music" Bloomington, In (don't > > know phone number) > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: shameless self-promotion, southern california style > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:43:52 -0500 > From: "Taaffe, Denis G" > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > > Hey that is quite a few gigs being announced on this list. It would be cool > to have a portion of these gigs taped and made available as mp3's no? Maybe > just a 2-3 minutes snip.Just a thought. > > > Denis > > Denis Taaffe > denis_aliengtr@geocities.com > http://www.dtguitar.com > > - > stinson/liebig/bendian trio > > g.e. stinson: guitars, applied tools, loopage > steuart liebig: basses, stuff, loopage > gregg bendian: drums/percussion > > one set > 13 september 2000 > 8:00 p.m. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: shameless self-promotion, southern california style > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:17:16 -0500 > From: "Liebig, Steuart A." > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > > okay, i plead idiocy . . . > > i copied the thing and didn't check the thing too carefully . . . > > FEBRUARY not september. (i don't really expect people to be markign their > calanders that far into the future.) > > geez, what a dork! > > sorry . . . > > stig > > make all of that: > > two gigs with improvised loopage and mayhem: > > stinson/liebig/bendian trio > > g.e. stinson: guitars, applied tools, loopage > steuart liebig: basses, stuff, loopage > gregg bendian: drums/percussion > > one set > 13 february 2000 > 8:00 p.m. > $?.?? (sorry) > soho > 1221 state st. > santa barbara, ca, usa > 805.962.7776, 805.899.2176 > > BONE STRUCTURE > g.e. Stinson - guitars, loopage > gregg bendian - drums, > steuart liebig - bass, loopage > jeff gauthier - violins, loopage > > MICHAEL VLATKOVICH TRIO > michael vlatkovitch - trombone, > chris garcia - drums, > bruce fowler - trombone > > > Inner Ear Series > CONJUCTIVE POINTS > > 3631 Hayden Avenue > (between National and Higuera Streets) > Culver City, CA, usa > Free Parking available in the Culver City Warner Drive Lot > > 20 february 2000 > Concerts begin at 8:00 PM > $10.00 at the door > CALL (310)-301-1611 for additional info > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Looping on radio > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:58:30 EST > From: Jhsidlo@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Short notice. I'll be looping tonight at 10:00pm on KSYM. San Antonio > College. For 30 minutes? > James H. Sidlo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: radio show tonight > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:34:40 -0800 (PST) > From: Haitch Cee > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > heya folks . loopi stuff going on on plutonian nights tonight . press > release / shoutcast info etc available at: > > http://sine.ranch.org/pluto > > show starts at 1am (PST) and goes until dawn > > cheers =) > rich > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > haitch c soundcraft / sinesite: http://sine.ranch.org > s i n u s o i d a l \ email: sine@ranch.org > records / bc.canada / artists. mp3s. realaudio. forums. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > plutonian nights radio show -+- http://sine.ranch.org/pluto > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: OT: mingus, coltrane, vicious, and buddha having lunch ... > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:27:56 +0100 > From: Cummings > To: Loopers Delight > CC: Drummer List > > funny little article for those of you into these guys ... > > http://www.furious.com/perfect/mingusplay.html > > sorry 4 the disturbance ... > > rob > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: price wars > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:03:52 -0000 > From: "Trace Elliot Ltd" > To: , > > All this is good publicity. In fact the price has just doubled. > Trace Elliot Contact Information > ************************************* > Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd > Blackwater Trading Estate > The Causeway > Maldon > Essex > United Kingdom > CM9 4GG > > Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 > Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lance glover > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 9:30 PM > Subject: Re: price wars > > > i agree w/ miko. > > > > i mean, is it disputed that there's anything remotely in this price range > > that does the kinds of things this box does (or will do)? i can't wait > > for the next wave of nickel & dime arguments once these units hit the > > stores..:-) > > > > lance g. > > > > > > Mike Biffle wrote: > > > > > Hey everyone... we've also just heard they're going for ~$660 at Alto. > > > This is about $100 more than we paid in the previous Alto deal. More > > > expensive? Yes... Available and in a similar ballpark? YES! They will > > > probalby cost more at other stores, but thems the breaks gang... This > > > bitching about $1100 is not doing much for me... > > > > > > -m > > > > > > >>> "Jonathan El-Bizri" 02/09 9:50 AM >>> > > > So what? Just because one insane Kurzweil slaseperson was prepared to > > > pay > > > $3,000 becuase he though he would never see one built again doesn't > > > mean > > > that you are going to sell many at $1100. The product will die and > > > then they > > > will not be made again. > > > > > > bIz > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Trace Elliot Ltd [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 2:24 AM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > > Subject: > > > > > > It's a small price to pay for such an excellent product. One was > > > sold > > > secondhand via NET auction for $3000. > > > I can assure everyone that we are making the slimmest of margins on > > > the > > > EDP. Ah!, the joys of manufacturing. > > > Andy > > > > > > Trace Elliot Contact Information > > > ************************************* > > > Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd > > > Blackwater Trading Estate > > > The Causeway > > > Maldon > > > Essex > > > United Kingdom > > > CM9 4GG > > > > > > Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 > > > Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: price wars > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 04:01:49 -0800 (PST) > From: John Tidwell > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Since you guys are listening, can you tell us how much > memory will come installed on the EDP? > > The "Full Monty" I hope! > > John > > PS- Will you offer discounts to anyone who can recite > dialogue from "The Young Ones" or "Fawlty Towers"? > > --- Trace Elliot Ltd wrote: > > All this is good publicity. In fact the price has > > just doubled. > > Trace Elliot Contact Information > > ************************************* > > Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd > > Blackwater Trading Estate > > The Causeway > > Maldon > > Essex > > United Kingdom > > CM9 4GG > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: price wars > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:40:52 EST > From: Madoud@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > I heard 50 seconds > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: shameless self-promotion, southern california style > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:54:41 +0100 > From: Cummings > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > hey stig are you on the ge stinson almbum "vapor"? > this just got a great review in the wire! > > have a great gig - when are you guys coming to europe? > > l8ter, > rob > > Liebig, Steuart A. schrieb: > > > > two gigs with improvised loopage and mayhem: > > > > stinson/liebig/bendian trio > > > > g.e. stinson: guitars, applied tools, loopage > > steuart liebig: basses, stuff, loopage > > gregg bendian: drums/percussion > > > > one set > > 13 september 2000 > > 8:00 p.m. > > $?.?? (sorry) > > soho > > 1221 state st. > > santa barbara, ca, usa > > 805.962.7776, 805.899.2176 > > > > BONE STRUCTURE > > g.e. Stinson - guitars, loopage > > gregg bendian - drums, > > steuart liebig - bass, loopage > > jeff gauthier - violins, loopage > > > > MICHAEL VLATKOVICH TRIO > > michael vlatkovitch - trombone, > > chris garcia - drums, > > bruce fowler - trombone > > > > > > Inner Ear Series > > CONJUCTIVE POINTS > > > > 3631 Hayden Avenue > > (between National and Higuera Streets) > > Culver City, CA, usa > > Free Parking available in the Culver City Warner Drive Lot > > > > 20 september 2000 > > Concerts begin at 8:00 PM > > $10.00 at the door > > CALL (310)-301-1611 for additional info > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: price wars > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:41:31 -0800 > From: "Javier Miranda V." > To: > > That's not funny even as a joke. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Trace Elliot Ltd [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com] > | Sent: Friday 11 February 2000 3:04 AM > | To: baumhaus@earthlink.net; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: price wars > | > | > | All this is good publicity. In fact the price has just doubled. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: Looping on radio > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:55:04 -0500 > From: "Taaffe, Denis G" > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > > Howdy, > > I do a show tonight as well at borders for 2 hours. I played a gig > last week for 2 1/2 hours. I played nonstop without a break and was > exhausted at the end,my hand ached that night a little haha. SO 30 minutes > nonstop is decent. Tonight I plan to take a break after an hour.2 hours is > kind of long I find.will you be looping guitar stuff? > > Thanks > Denis > > Denis Taaffe > denis_aliengtr@geocities.com > http://www.dtguitar.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jhsidlo@aol.com [mailto:Jhsidlo@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 9:59 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Looping on radio > > Short notice. I'll be looping tonight at 10:00pm on KSYM. San Antonio > College. For 30 minutes? > James H. Sidlo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: price wars > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:59:12 -0500 > From: "Taaffe, Denis G" > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , > baumhaus@earthlink.net > > Now that really is how the music biz works....haha > > > Denis > > - > Subject: Re: price wars > > All this is good publicity. In fact the price has just doubled. > Trace Elliot Contact Information > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: plutonian nights apologies to shoutcast users > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:25:08 -0800 (PST) > From: Haitch Cee > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > > heya all > > seems that some of you out-of-FM-range folks had problems connecting > with the zilTV shoutcast rebroadcast last night . apologies for that. > we'll get it resolved for next weeks show . too bad though, you > missed me disolving into a sleepdep void 4 hours into my set . you > also missed me pounding rhythms out on my gut by request from a > caller . interesting night all-round . thanks go to ghoulash for > bailing me out with the broad use of lude northern humour and instant > coffee =P > > cheers > rich > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > haitch c soundcraft / sinesite: http://sine.ranch.org > s i n u s o i d a l \ email: sine@ranch.org > records / bc.canada / artists. mp3s. realaudio. forums. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > plutonian nights radio show -+- http://sine.ranch.org/pluto > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: GFX8 > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:20:45 -0500 > From: andre > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > any one use the Zoom GFX 8 forlooping?? what's the call on that unit?? > > thanx, > > andre' > > LOOPING next friday in NYC..at theKNit (see below)!! > NEXT GIG: Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - > Knitactive Soundstage > 74 Leonard St - NYC - 212-219-3006- http://www.knittingfactory.com- > webcast!!?? > > ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS > March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com > > *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: Looping on radio > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:35:16 -0500 > From: "future perfect" > To: > > Tonight, the duo I am in will be playing at Borders as well. Plenty of > looping, and we always record the shows to MiniDisc so we can post clips of > the stuff we like. Alos, for those who play at Borders now and then- we > always ask play in the back of the store in the 'art book' section- there > are usually the biggest couches and chairs there, and it is far away from > the noise of the cafe. The clip I mentioned yesterday (copied below) was > recorded at Borders last month. > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > ****(And, for those with a good modem and/or a lot of time to download (an > edit > will be available soon): > http://members.theglobe.com/TheMincer/Nightstars.mp3 (MP3 file 6.7MB)***** > > > Howdy, > > > > I do a show tonight as well at borders for 2 hours. I played a gig > > last week for 2 1/2 hours. I played nonstop without a break and was > > exhausted at the end,my hand ached that night a little haha. SO 30 minutes > > nonstop is decent. Tonight I plan to take a break after an hour.2 hours is > > kind of long I find.will you be looping guitar stuff? > > > > Thanks > > Denis > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: RE: shameless self-promotion, southern california style > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:56:03 EST > From: Echopark99@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Hey STig! > > I can't believe I'll ever get to see you guys play! Do you realize that > I've been open to the idea of seeing you play here locally for almost a year > and a half?!?! I'm tempted to drive up to SB, but I've been doing way too > much driving lately and I'd probably be late. And on the 20th I'm gigging > with the modern dance chicks. Schedules... I think I need to do one or > two less things in life. It seems as if every two hours I'm supposed to be > somewhere I'm not. I did manage to catch Nels quite by accident down at the > Smell a coupla weeks back - acoustic trio! > > I saw Dane the other night, at the academy nominating for sound FX oscars. He > did some great stuff in the Matrix. It's kind of a fun night where we review > 10-minute clips of the most sound intensive stuff of the year. My boss is up > for The Green Mile, on which I did crazy electrocution recordings, etc. > > How was London? Find any good blowing/ripping music? > > eric p > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: SSSorry! That was for STIG only! > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:56:18 EST > From: Echopark99@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Sorry Folks, that was for Stig, not everybody! > > eric p > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: RE: shameless self-promotion, southern california style > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:59:17 -0500 > From: "Liebig, Steuart A." > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > > I can't believe I'll ever get to see you guys play! Do you realize that > I've been open to the idea of seeing you play here locally for almost a year > > and a half?!?! I'm tempted to drive up to SB, but I've been doing way too > much driving lately and I'd probably be late. And on the 20th I'm gigging > with the modern dance chicks. Schedules... > > ** wowee. well sometime there will be a chance. dance thing sounds fun. > > I think I need to do one or > two less things in life. It seems as if every two hours I'm supposed to be > somewhere I'm not. > > ** naw, do it all . . . and more. > > I did manage to catch Nels quite by accident down at the > Smell a coupla weeks back - acoustic trio! > > ** who was in that? > > I saw Dane the other night, at the academy nominating for sound FX oscars. > He > did some great stuff in the Matrix. It's kind of a fun night where we review > > 10-minute clips of the most sound intensive stuff of the year. My boss is up > > for The Green Mile, on which I did crazy electrocution recordings, etc. > > ** great. i should really say hi to him at some point soon. > > How was London? Find any good blowing/ripping music? > > ** going end of march. > > s Due to medical hardship,i am selling 2 Echoplex pros', each with 50 sec smpling time and pro footpedals. i am open to any reasonable offers you can reach me at From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 12 11:19:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18767; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 11:19:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 11:19:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A59294.E72AE0AD@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:05:00 +0000 From: Olivier Malhomme X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:[off] fizmo References: <200002120009.TAA23643@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qvyZJ1.0.XF2.zDOfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm very interested in the Fizmo. If anyone can give a phone number or internet address. Since I live in Belgium, I am nowhere near going to the mars or guitar center of the corner, see?? Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 12 14:41:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29677; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:41:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:41:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200002121700.MAA01013@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:20:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: Re: EDP's for sale message Resent-Message-ID: <"p6MYv1.0.-u5.l9Rfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the question is, can we trust a guy who quotes the whole digest? ;-) MT From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 12 16:15:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02467; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:15:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:15:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: EDP's for sale message Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:50:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"dIp442.0.Em6.GVSfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, as some of us know, looping, or EDP-specific skills, are in a quite different field from computer-related skills. I don't believe one has much influence over the other. On the other hand, as a common-sense issue, the dude hasn't bothered to read about e-mail etiquette, or at least hasn't had much practice in e-mail matters. This could either be a personal deficiency or a symptom of carelessness or indifference which could affect the purchase of an EDP. I'd say it's 50-50. | -----Original Message----- | From: Michael Tuminello [mailto:m1cha3l@earthlink.net] | Sent: Saturday 12 February 2000 11:20 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: EDP's for sale message | | | the question is, can we trust a guy who quotes the whole digest? ;-) | | MT | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 12 17:20:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30482; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:20:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:20:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <92.167128d.25d7326e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:02:22 EST Subject: Re: WHOA!?!?!? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"rMD6m1.0.kP5.KYTfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/11/0 4:20:34 PM, crash@waste.org writes: >Modern Dance Chicks?!?!?!? Wow! Do they loop? > They certainly move well to loops, at times they are actualy looping, too. But I guess I'm the only one who really calls them that. They don't really go by "Modern Dance Chicks". From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 01:01:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21765; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 01:01:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 01:01:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000213054157.1524.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.160.65.106] From: "Greg S" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Input problems in EDP - Truncating volume swells. Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:46:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZPmDk2.0.7z2.6Hafu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This week my EDP began "truncating" the initial part of my volume swells. That is, it acts a bit like a noise gate where it only records a signal above a certain input level. For example: if I record a smooth volume swell (beginning with complete silence), the play back will sound as if it didn't record the initial part of the swell. This results in a rather abrupt appearance of the loop vs. the subtle effect I was after. This is the first time its misbehaved in the past year that I've had it. I double checked the Threshold value, and it is set to 0. Has anyone else experienced this? Can this be fixed. More info: After I noticed the problem, I took the EDP out of the effects loop of my mixer to make sure my mixer wasn't a part of the problem. I sampled a good volume swell into my DL4 pedal (which worked just fine thank you) as a "test swell" and then plugged the DL4 into the echoplex. I set the EDP's mix to 50% and the original volume swell comes through the signal path perfectly smooth, but the recorded version is still cut-off and abrupt. This is done with the input set at 25% which is where I normally keep it. When I move it to %50, it seems to work better, but then I overload the EDP and it distorts. Any suggestions? thanks, Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 09:49:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21876; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 09:49:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 09:49:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002201bf762f$d4e3c2a0$8f99b8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <20000213054157.1524.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Input problems in EDP - Truncating volume swells. Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 15:32:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"r1YjN.0.WS3.M0ifu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Greg, I had the same problem and i was also advised to increase the input but compared to other loop samplers i find the EDP not that dynamic because of the horrible digital distortion.It can be improved though changing a couple of resistors like i did. Ask Kim directly and he will tell you exactly which ones to change. Good luck! L.A. > This week my EDP began "truncating" the initial part of my volume swells. > That is, it acts a bit like a noise gate where it only records a signal > above a certain input level. For example: if I record a smooth volume > swell (beginning with complete silence), the play back will sound as if it > didn't record the initial part of the swell. This results in a rather > abrupt appearance of the loop vs. the subtle effect I was after. This is > the first time its misbehaved in the past year that I've had it. > > I double checked the Threshold value, and it is set to 0. > > Has anyone else experienced this? Can this be fixed. > > More info: > After I noticed the problem, I took the EDP out of the effects loop of my > mixer to make sure my mixer wasn't a part of the problem. I sampled a good > volume swell into my DL4 pedal (which worked just fine thank you) as a "test > swell" and then plugged the DL4 into the echoplex. I set the EDP's mix to > 50% and the original volume swell comes through the signal path perfectly > smooth, but the recorded version is still cut-off and abrupt. This is done > with the input set at 25% which is where I normally keep it. When I move it > to %50, it seems to work better, but then I overload the EDP and it > distorts. > > Any suggestions? > > thanks, > Greg > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 10:18:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31870; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 10:18:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 10:18:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A6C7ED.E3F66981@hcis.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 09:04:18 -0600 From: jsd Reply-To: groundfloor@hcis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #39 References: <200002121700.MAA01013@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zJYlC2.0.j36.6Sifu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Huh? dang Mark >>>any reason you had to copy the whole digest # 37..I've read it once....a little wasted band width there. _______j_______ > Subject: > Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 39 > > Today's Topics: > Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #37 [ Mark Boccaccio Due to medical hardship,i am selling 2 Echoplex pros', each with 50 sec smpling > time and pro footpedals. i am open to any reasonable offers > you can reach me at From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 10:51:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10885; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 10:51:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 10:51:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000301bf7637$27ea2b40$a61e883e@oemcomputer> From: "renaldo mckim" To: "loopers-delight" Subject: passive pick ups Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 14:54:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"RD47d.0.2t.yvifu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com off topic subject I have a steinberger guitar with the usual composite neck and EMG pickups but would now like to change the pickups to a passive type. have any of the list members changed the EMG's and if so what are they using and how do they find the sound. i am looking for a warmer sound from my guitar but i dont know if changing the pickups will make much difference as i think the neck contributes a great deal to the sound of the guitar so any info would be a help. if the pickups are not going to make much difference to the sound i will have to get a wooden neck made or swap it with someone with a wooded steinberger spirit series neck. any info would be appreciated and if you could respond to me direct at renaldo@renaldo.freeserve.co.uk it would keep the list clear as its an off topic subject thanks Renaldo p.s.Eric the 500mA supply seems to be working alright. cheers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 12:43:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20671; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:43:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:43:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <6f.1171390.25d84232@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:21:54 EST Subject: Re: passive pick ups To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: <"LLWaY2.0.Cg3.SXkfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Renaldo, In a message dated 02/13/00 7:51:26 AM, renaldo@renaldo.freeserve.co.uk writes: >i am looking for a warmer sound from my guitar but i dont >know if changing the pickups will make much difference. Changing pickups can have either subtle or dramatic difference in the sound of your instrument depending upon the pickups themselves and the instrument in particular. I don't know anything much about steinbergers but I do know a thing or two about pickups. I used to work for Seymour Duncan and they make hundreds of varieties of pickups to suit any guitar/player/style/need. All I can say is check out all of the manufacturers websites and submit your inquiry as a tech question. Anybody should be ablr to at least offer some educated suggestiuons and answer any other questions you might have--Duncan, EMG or Dimarzio. Honnestly, they all make pretty good products. I may have my own bias but I won;t burden you with that. Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 14:53:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07530; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 14:53:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 14:53:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 11:32:11 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Input problems in EDP - Truncating volume swells. In-reply-to: <20000213054157.1524.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5PXHv.0.Ou7.hTmfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greg said: >This week my EDP began "truncating" the initial part of my volume swells. >That is, it acts a bit like a noise gate where it only records a signal >above a certain input level. For example: if I record a smooth volume >swell (beginning with complete silence), the play back will sound as if it >didn't record the initial part of the swell. This results in a rather >abrupt appearance of the loop vs. the subtle effect I was after. This is >the first time its misbehaved in the past year that I've had it. > >I double checked the Threshold value, and it is set to 0. Threshold parameter has nothing to do with it, that is for triggering record when you actually start playing. >Has anyone else experienced this? Can this be fixed. Sounds like you have the old software version. Check the Echoplex FAQ for more info: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ5.html#gate kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 17:16:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27817; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:16:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:16:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001201bf766b$7b459840$0264a8c0@okeefe.sf.gomotech.com> From: "Jan P" To: Subject: bay area -> santa cruz tonight? Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 13:44:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"BcOJ21.0.Kd3.vLofu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com loopies; I'm looking for a ride from the bay area to the loopfest gig in santa cruz tonight... anyone can accomodate 1? pls call me (415) 681-0172 in lake'ch jan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 17:10:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25962; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:10:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:10:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01ad01bf766c$89328c00$4690f5ce@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 16:50:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"QWPpi.0.qB5.dUofu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for EMUSIC "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #151 February 10, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on American synthesist Michael Garrison. Tonight's Feature CD at Midnight was Eclipse on the Windspell label. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Dom F. Scab Fear to Void Innerseed (Free Records) VA [DisguisedIllusions] Driftin' Thoughts Colours (Spheric Music) wEirD Manuel Gearchange A Different Kind of Normal (Neu Harmony) Coyote Oldman House Made of Dawn House Made of Dawn (Hearts of Space) MaJaLe & James Johnson Imaginarium Live Under a Harvest Moon (Zero Music) Max Corbacho Death Valley Vestiges (Free Records) VA [romb] rods and cones Mote (The Foundry) VA [romb & eM] in the drift Mote (The Foundry) Jean-Pierre Saccomani Autumn The Four Seasons (M-C-P) 12:00 am Michael Garrison Departure Eclipse (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Airborn Eclipse (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Celestial Nights Eclipse (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Daydreams Eclipse (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison The Elliptical Sun Eclipse (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Interstellar Romance Eclipse (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Dimensions Eclipse (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison The Awakening Eclipse (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Cloud Burst 2001 Eclipse (Windspell Music) StillPoint Maps 2 & 3 Maps Without Edges (City of Tribes) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the American synthesist Michael Garrison. The feature CD at Midnight will be Michael Garrison Live Volume 2 on the Windspell label. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 21:04:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28456; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:04:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:04:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001e01bf768f$4f83c5a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: Subject: beginner guitar synth questions Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:00:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"03Nyh.0.rd6.w6sfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey gang, I've been bitten by the guitar-synth bug and am in the process of reviewing my finances to see if I can afford to get into it soon. Question: I'm not primarily interested in using it to emulate other instruments (although that will be nice), but I am very much into creating new sounds on my PC and storing them as patches on the synth unit so I can use them on the fly. Does a basic device like the Roland GR-30 let you do this, or do I need to look into something a little more sophisticated? Also, is it the box or the pickup that's responsible for the quality of the tracking? Is the GK-2A the only pickup I'll need to look at? Thanks. Peter R.I.P. Charles M Schultz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 22:03:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18051; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:03:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:03:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:55:04 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions In-reply-to: <001e01bf768f$4f83c5a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"y681N1.0.I34.tzsfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 6:00 PM -0800 2/13/00, Peter Shindler wrote: >Hey gang, I've been bitten by the guitar-synth bug and am in the process of >reviewing my finances to see if I can afford to get into it soon. Question: >I'm not primarily interested in using it to emulate other instruments >(although that will be nice), but I am very much into creating new sounds on >my PC and storing them as patches on the synth unit so I can use them on the >fly. Does a basic device like the Roland GR-30 let you do this, or do I >need to look into something a little more sophisticated? I don't think you can load your own samples into the roland things. You need a sampler which can then be triggered by the roland. In the past, the rolands had significantly worse tracking for triggering external devices than with their own internal sounds. I don't know if that is still true. In any case, having a sampler around can't hurt. You can trigger precreated loops on it. :-) >Also, is it the box or the pickup that's responsible for the quality of the >tracking? Is the GK-2A the only pickup I'll need to look at? those things matter, but ultimately midi is not designed for guitar synth and that is the bottleneck. There is no hope, all midi guitars suck. :-) Plug the guitar into a bunch of crazy effects and then into the inputs of an analog synth, for all the filters and lfos and envelopes and such. It will be way more expressive and you'll have far more real-time control to tweak sounds. Skip the sample triggering thing if you are doing your own custom sounds and not trying to sound like a bad timpani or saxophone player, you'll be much happier! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 22:12:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20778; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:12:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:12:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A7716D.A820F20A@texas.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:07:30 -0600 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions References: <001e01bf768f$4f83c5a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"miORe3.0.1m4.n5tfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i've been reading very nice things about the axon guitar synth system on the motu-mac list recently. check it out: http://www.musicindustries.com/axon/ bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 22:54:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07084; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:54:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:54:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 19:47:01 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Plexes and instruments: a Sunday evening essay In-reply-to: <38881180.F4FA5DB@wxs.nl> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <030e01bf639b$0ef52210$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"viE1f1.0.GM1.Njtfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:57 PM -0800 1/20/00, Robert van der Kamp wrote: >> >Ouch. 16 bit AD/DA is..., well, dated. Soundwise, I mean. happened to see this comment on the list a while back, but didn't have any time then. I don't have any time now either, but what the hell.... The sound chip technology might be a few years old, 'tis true, but then so's a tube amp and a microphone and a tb-303. In the niche musical instrument world, there is simply not enough money from the tiny sales volumes to be able to update products as quickly as the PC industry. that's life - you take what you can get. These type of products usually require at least three years in the market before anybody even starts to notice them and a demand for it begins to develop. Nobody doing these sorts of instruments has the resources to churn out new products every 6-12 months, before the last one even got a solid footing! You also expect musical instruments to be around for a while; they need to be so people can become familiar enough with it to make it a part of their music! Otherwise, you'll be spending all of your time learning the features of the latest toy and no time creating with something you know as well as your own voice. Why does everything need to be updated all the time when it is fine as it is and people love it that way? And why would you want it to be? That's PC industry thinking. A musical instrument should be there for your life, not a few months. There should be time for traditions to develop, for skills and techniques to grow, for music to be created and performed, for masters to appear and show the way for new generations of players. In fact this is serious for computer based music, compositions and instruments made on computers 10 years ago are mostly lost forever. The software doesn't work anymore, the file formats are unreadable, the old computers are gone! Computer music created now, where will it be in 10, 20, 50 years? A tragedy in the making.... It's also a problem for development, the hardware components are changing too quickly right now to support serious electronic musical instrument creation. That is a primary reason so many classic instruments are gone, the parts are obsolete because the computer industry doesn't use them anymore. We need confidence that the parts we choose will be available for at least the 5-10 years or more you expect for the product's life. We had that kind of stability when we created the Echoplex, and all of the parts in it are still available now, 5 years later. We don't have this stability currently with the latest audio components, it is chaos. It will come again though, and there will eventually be another generation of echoplex hardware. But for now, we focus on making what we have better, with new features and functions and innovations for the same hardware, since it still has plenty of room to grow! And really, how many have really mastered the instrument as it is? There is still so much more creativity and music for the future with the things we already have! But regardless of the sound chip's up-to-datedness, the looping functionality of the echoplex is by far the state of the art. There is nothing out there even close. By that metric, the echoplex leads the world by a good 5-10 years of development time! So your choice: 24bit/96KHz of looping functions from 1982, or 16bit/41.4KHz of the most radically innovative loop instrument there is! :-) my totally biased opinion, of course. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 22:51:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05734; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:51:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:51:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005d01bf769e$05c6fae0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:46:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"QRFrD1.0.8D.kftfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions > Plug the guitar into a bunch of crazy effects and then into the inputs of > an analog synth, for all the filters and lfos and envelopes and such. It > will be way more expressive and you'll have far more real-time control to > tweak sounds. Skip the sample triggering thing if you are doing your own > custom sounds and not trying to sound like a bad timpani or saxophone > player, you'll be much happier! Ok, that's an intriguing idea which I'm going to have to look into. What specific analog synths should I check out? Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 00:27:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13904; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:27:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:27:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000214002344.008c2e30@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:23:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions In-Reply-To: <001e01bf768f$4f83c5a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yfB5u3.0.Fk2.c3vfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com GTR SYNTH info: at least in the ROLAND corner... look for a used GR1.. thats the last great TWEEKABLE-on-the-fly roland synth the gr9? & gr 30 sound great..more menu driven and no 'patch names' another way to go is the GI-10--1/2space midi converter..then you can patch into ANY synth uwant there's also AXON, yamaha, casio etc for other systems..sweep thru ebay.com...digibid.com..roguemusic.com andre' At 09:00 PM 02/13/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Hey gang, I've been bitten by the guitar-synth bug and am in the process of >reviewing my finances to see if I can afford to get into it soon. Question: >I'm not primarily interested in using it to emulate other instruments >(although that will be nice), but I am very much into creating new sounds on >my PC and storing them as patches on the synth unit so I can use them on the >fly. Does a basic device like the Roland GR-30 let you do this, or do I >need to look into something a little more sophisticated? > >Also, is it the box or the pickup that's responsible for the quality of the >tracking? Is the GK-2A the only pickup I'll need to look at? > >Thanks. > > >Peter > > >R.I.P. Charles M Schultz > > > NEXT GIG: Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage 74 Leonard St - NYC - 212-219-3006- http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast!!?? ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com Monica Lewinsky... (on CNN's Larry King Live discussing her miraculous Jenny Craig weight loss): "I've learned not to put things in my mouth that are bad for me" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 00:18:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09383; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:18:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:18:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000214001029.009f8180@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:10:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions In-Reply-To: <001e01bf768f$4f83c5a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"tT0Oq3.0.Rj.5wufu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:00 PM 2/13/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hey gang, I've been bitten by the guitar-synth bug and am in the process of >reviewing my finances to see if I can afford to get into it soon. Question: >I'm not primarily interested in using it to emulate other instruments >(although that will be nice), but I am very much into creating new sounds on >my PC and storing them as patches on the synth unit so I can use them on the >fly. Does a basic device like the Roland GR-30 let you do this, or do I >need to look into something a little more sophisticated? Hi Peter, Several thoughts/answers (assuming what you want to do is create sounds on the PC using a software synth or similar program then download them as samples into a guitar synth): 1. No the GR-30 will not allow you to do this. At first, I thought you wanted to be able to _edit_ guitar synth patches, which would not have been a problem. 2. If you want to "play" your newly created sounds on the PC itself or on an external sampler, then you have to go the external MIDI route. The MIDI conversion process adds its own latency, but I have friends who have made it work by using the external MIDI modules for slower melody lines and atmospherics. The Axon (mentioned by another respondent on this thread) is said to be very good, but I haven't tried it myself. The Starrlabs Ztar solves the problem by substituting a 24x6 array of little keys for a traditional guitar fretboard - in essence it is a keyboard instrument designed to be more approachable for guitarists. The downside of that is you lose the strings for purposes of bending and vibrato - it does have a string trigger option, but it is for superimposing the dynamics of plucking and muting strings on the MIDI'd sounds. 3. Performance-wise, while I think samples have their place, the problem is that even after you decide on a way to "play" your sample from your guitar (or Ztar if you go that route) is that the sample itself is just a snapshot of a sound. You can use filters and envelopes to make it "move" a little, but it's not really "alive". > >Also, is it the box or the pickup that's responsible for the quality of the >tracking? Is the GK-2A the only pickup I'll need to look at? Both. I believe the GK2 series have built-in filtering circuitry that tries to toss out the spurious harmonics in trying to figure out what note(s) you are playing. Some contend that RMC pickups (http://www.rmcpickup.com) deliver higher quality sound signals to the converter or whatever polyphonic box you are connecting to (e.g. Roland VG8/VG88). Yamaha manufactures a pickup that is GK2-compatible. It was apparently meant to be a companion to their G50 guitar-MIDI converter, which uses slightly older Axon technology. They also make a pickup that is designed for bass guitar string spacing. Personally, as a former guitar synth owner, I'm more interested in the direction Kim mentioned in his reply. Part of it is that the main reason to buy a guitar synth like the GR30 doens't really apply to me - and that is to use its imitative voices for songwriting (lay down bass line, horn lines, percussion parts, etc.). I am no great shakes at keyboards, but can operate them well enough to not need a guitar synth. I've been interested in the VG8/VG88 because it offers the potential for synth-like sounds without the tracking delays but there is an alternative even to that in RMC's fanout box. This box takes the polyphonic signal from a hex-pickup driven guitar and provides 6 outputs for the strings in addition to an additional poly out, so that instead of feeding a VG system, you can instead plug in analog synth filters, effects processors, etc. for each string independently. Well, I hope I didn't confuse you too much. :) Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 00:19:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09624; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:19:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:19:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 23:58:35 EST Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"Wwkwy1.0.wk7.ckufu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I recommend you check out the RMC pickup...it tracks better than the GK-2A in many cases..... Click here: RMC Pickups Regards, Wayne From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 00:35:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18236; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:35:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:35:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000214003207.008bd100@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:32:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions In-Reply-To: <005d01bf769e$05c6fae0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QKuA3.0.Nh3.UBvfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> custom sounds and not trying to sound like a bad timpani or saxophone >> player, you'll be much happier! > >Ok, that's an intriguing idea which I'm going to have to look into. What >specific analog synths should I check out? > > >Peter > i'd say=--- any one which a piano player won't flip out on and say sounds fake....>as will always be the case when new frontiers are pushed. remember the attack on Dylan for 'going electric' ac > NEXT GIG: Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage 74 Leonard St - NYC - 212-219-3006- http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast!!?? ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com Monica Lewinsky... (on CNN's Larry King Live discussing her miraculous Jenny Craig weight loss): "I've learned not to put things in my mouth that are bad for me" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 00:33:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17175; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:33:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:33:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000214003049.008b98e0@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:30:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions In-Reply-To: References: <001e01bf768f$4f83c5a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bznK72.0.CZ3.HAvfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >those things matter, but ultimately midi is not designed for guitar synth >and that is the bottleneck. There is no hope, all midi guitars suck. :-) >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight sigh. here we go again. that's totally subjective, kim..andi KNOW youre KINDA kidding a guitar synth should not be judged as anything but/..... let this guy form his own opinion --- i gave a sterile--info only response... depends on what he wnats to do for many guitarists-----all ,yes ALL EFFECTS SUCK >tweak sounds. Skip the sample triggering thing if you are doing your own >custom sounds and not trying to sound like a bad timpani or saxophone >player, you'll be much happier! see-- this is your, and other people's constant mistake--- i for one , use sounds like that 1% of the time !! it's not what works well.... guitar synth is PERFECT for setting up aquick bassline loop..or just getting a nice cloudy JX-3p or oberheim pad behind some guitar loops..... the people who hate guitar synth INVARIABLY are (for some reason) always caught up in trying to use it as a Piano, sax, or acoustic gtr. It's HORRIBLE for that. But--throw the whole thing out??? bizarre thought process. it's like complaining that a strat straight into marshall on 10 doesnt make those Chopin Etudes sound relaxing enuf. NOT WHAT ITS FOR... > sigh.whatever NEXT GIG: Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage 74 Leonard St - NYC - 212-219-3006- http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast!!?? ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com Monica Lewinsky... (on CNN's Larry King Live discussing her miraculous Jenny Craig weight loss): "I've learned not to put things in my mouth that are bad for me" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 01:07:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30987; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 01:07:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 01:07:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:02:21 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200002140602.AAA19208@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id BAA29476 Resent-Message-ID: <"SJKQ42.0.rC7.Jgvfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well guitar synth,pretty much my subject, I agree with Kim, forget about trying to sound like other instruments,I turn my guitar signal into a sequencer,a lead synth, whatever, I use the Electro harmonix Microsynth plugged into a lot of other EH effects and into a boomerang,I find the Microsynth very easy to use and I can make it sound very cool,I never run out of cool sounds with it. then I feed all that into the Roland SPV 355, wich is a rack analog synth with all kinds of filters, VCO´s and such,and then I run all that into another looper. Some older analog Synths like the KORG MS-20 let you plug another signal into them and use all their filters as well... But you should check out the new and amazing Sherman Filterbank, wich is a very cool device with tons of knobs and switches to twist, detune, distort and deconstruct ANY signal you feed in, here´s the page: http://www.ping.be/sherman/ Andy. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 01:53:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18376; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 01:53:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 01:53:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002f01bf76b7$d936c040$d5368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <005d01bf769e$05c6fae0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:50:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"YnU7f2.0.Y94.kLwfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com NORD!!! I played with the Micro at NAMM- awesome fun- - Cliff :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Shindler" To: Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 7:46 PM Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions > From: Kim Flint > Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions > > > Plug the guitar into a bunch of crazy effects and then into the inputs of > > an analog synth, for all the filters and lfos and envelopes and such. It > > will be way more expressive and you'll have far more real-time control to > > tweak sounds. Skip the sample triggering thing if you are doing your own > > custom sounds and not trying to sound like a bad timpani or saxophone > > player, you'll be much happier! > > Ok, that's an intriguing idea which I'm going to have to look into. What > specific analog synths should I check out? > > > Peter > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 02:48:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11296; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 02:48:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 02:48:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" To: "'Loopers'" Subject: Jam Man Memory once again... Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:43:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"Uz-_43.0.9I1.j8xfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry folks for being a newbie to loopers and ... ... I am probably the only one left who hasn't upgraded my Lexicon Jam Man to its full 32 MB capacity! Where can I get hold of those weird ZIP chips? "Chips for Less" in Texas has run out of it, as well as other Internet related resources. Mind you, I live in Sweden where the total amount of Jam Man's sold are 10. So no one wants (music shops) to order it anyway... Probably the price will be more expensive than a second hand Jam Man with full memory! regards /Mats From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 02:37:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02313; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 02:37:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 02:37:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 23:26:00 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.20000214003207.008bd100@mail.monmouth.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <005d01bf769e$05c6fae0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"0h2If3.0.-p7.zywfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:32 PM -0800 2/13/00, andre wrote: >>> custom sounds and not trying to sound like a bad timpani or saxophone >>> player, you'll be much happier! >> >>Ok, that's an intriguing idea which I'm going to have to look into. What >>specific analog synths should I check out? >> >> >>Peter >> > > >i'd say=--- any one which a piano player won't flip out on and say sounds >fake....>as will always be the case when new frontiers are pushed. remember >the attack on Dylan for 'going electric' > we are talking about analog synths here, I don't think a piano player is gonna care much about how close the low-pass is to a real minimoog any more than he'll care the tone of a timpani :-) It's those analog synth freaks you have to watch out for, but people I know seem to really like the Waldorf Q: http://www2.waldorf-gmbh.de/products.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 03:17:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03176; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 03:17:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 03:17:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A7B7D0.EC774FA3@pop.agri.ch> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:07:45 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jam Man Memory once again... References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2A3F9A80AC5EFC9E3580D153" Resent-Message-ID: <"rVtP22.0.LJ7.4Xxfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------2A3F9A80AC5EFC9E3580D153 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi mats i upgraded my jamman last week ... so you're really the only one left. ;-) try at roguemus@ix.netcom.com they are shipping to europe and make a very good job ... it took me just = 4 days, to get the upgrade. jes=FAs "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" schrieb: > Sorry folks for being a newbie to loopers and ... > > ... I am probably the only one left who hasn't upgraded my Lexicon Jam = Man to its full 32 MB capacity! > > Where can I get hold of those weird ZIP chips? > > "Chips for Less" in Texas has run out of it, as well as other Internet = related resources. Mind you, I live in Sweden where the total amount of J= am Man's sold are > 10. So no one wants (music shops) to order it anyway... > > Probably the price will be more expensive than a second hand Jam Man wi= th full memory! > > regards > /Mats --------------2A3F9A80AC5EFC9E3580D153 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi mats

i upgraded my jamman last week ... so you're really the only one left.
;-)

try at roguemus@ix.netcom.com

they are shipping to europe and make a very good job ... it took me just 4 days, to get the upgrade.

jesús
 
 
 

"Mats Eriksson (ECS)" schrieb:

Sorry folks for being a newbie to loopers and ...

... I am probably the only one left who hasn't upgraded my Lexicon Jam Man to its full 32 MB capacity!

Where can I get hold of those weird ZIP chips?

"Chips for Less" in Texas has run out of it, as well as other Internet related resources. Mind you, I live in Sweden where the total amount of Jam Man's sold are
10. So no one wants (music shops) to order it anyway...

Probably the price will be more expensive than a second hand Jam Man with full memory!

regards
/Mats

--------------2A3F9A80AC5EFC9E3580D153-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 04:15:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15307; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 04:15:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 04:15:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 04:08:31 EST Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"sdl1q2.0.lB3.qOyfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey there, No, there are actually quite a few different pickups and systems out there... The pickup is a portion of how accurate the tracking of what you are playing relative to the synth playing the same notes generated by the controller. The conversion brain is going to be the second half equation, and you'll possibly want to either go with an all in one system or go Axon for faster tracking... Not sure if you're going to be using an electric guitar or an electric bass guitar, but either way, the best conversion brains are going to be (in order of better accuracy) Axon AX-100 (or AX-100SB) Yamaha G50 Roland GR-33 Roland GR-30 Shadow SH-075 For pickups, I recommend going with RMC's, however they are a bit pricy and aren't the easiest thing to install... If you go with a HEX system, such as the Roland GK-2a, or Axon/Yamaha equivalent, you'll find that the tracking is not as accurate and that the number of incorrect notes, warbles, and just silence is going to increase. However, you'll also be able to get a good idea of just what a synth guitar can do, plus they're far easier to install, and don't require as specific an instrument. Lastly, it looks as though all you're really wanting is a controller,... may want to check out a Ztar by Starr Labs, you'll find that they're the fastest thing around, however, you do loose the sound of a guitar (they're really keyboards in guitar's clothing). For all-in-one systems, you may want to check out a Parker MIDIFly or BMCGuitar MIDIGuitar. Hope this helps! L8r on, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 06:31:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03202; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:31:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:31:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SnarleyCo@aol.com Message-ID: <50.18fb02f.25d94072@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:26:42 EST Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"a6x3I2.0.oL.MQ-fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/13/00 10:03:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << those things matter, but ultimately midi is not designed for guitar synth and that is the bottleneck. There is no hope, all midi guitars suck. :-) >> I would have to disagree. I have been using git-synths since they came out. in the past tracking was horrindous BUT now we have "stnth-ready guitars" IE: parkers etc..... i own a Godin (Canadian based Co.) which has (as do the Parkers ) a built-in roland p/u mounted AS/under the bridge . this increased the tracking rate by a very very noticable ammount (i also have a 69 strat w/ a Roland p/u ATTACHED --not near the tracking ability---) Also it is not the guitar synth that has tracking "problems" a guitar s/p/u wnts to hear a clean pick and i mean clean IE: Mr Fripp. so you may want to try to work on your techniqe a little/lot :-) I play one way w/out the git synth running and try the above refined picking technique when using a synth. Finnally , i dont use MANY tone modules BUT i have found my Godin works great with the Yamaha JV1080 and 2080 Tone modules don't give up. Carl Snow Moss Hill REC> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 06:31:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03203; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:31:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:31:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SnarleyCo@aol.com Message-ID: <31.13cbfb0.25d940a9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:27:37 EST Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions...oops fergot To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"bhFEP2.0.WN.pQ-fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/13/00 10:03:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << Also, is it the box or the pickup that's responsible for the quality of the >tracking? Is the GK-2A the only pickup I'll need to look at? >> its the pickup From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 06:35:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04685; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:35:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:35:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SnarleyCo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:30:14 EST Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions...damn missed another To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"iY69Z3.0.om.kT-fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/13/00 10:03:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << Does a basic device like the Roland GR-30 let you do this, or do I >need to look into something a little more sophisticated? >> the Gr-30 will NOT do this ALONE... BUT midi though something OR -my pref- use a tone modual such as the Yamaha JV seris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 07:51:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08841; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 07:51:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 07:51:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010901bf76e9$702fc6a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <200002140602.AAA19208@servidor.unam.mx> Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 07:45:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"kqAM52.0.HS._Z_fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Soto To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 1:02 AM Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions > > But you should check out the new and amazing Sherman Filterbank, wich is > a very cool device with tons of knobs and switches to twist, detune, distort > and deconstruct ANY signal you feed in, here´s the page: > > http://www.ping.be/sherman/ The Filterbank looks like fun! Anyone here played with one of these? And do we have any pricing info (the website doesn't)? Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 08:43:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28683; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:43:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:43:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A80442.C588F02D@node.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:33:54 -0500 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: > - - node - - < X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: A Message to You, Kim Flint References: <200002140538.AAA19839@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bocxX1.0.hU6.uJ0gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So, Kim... Now that we're weeks away from a new era of EDP distribution, and given that said EDPs will feature the "old" software, is there any way to get the new EDP control software ye've been toiling away upon lo, these forlorn, lovelorn, EDPlorn months? Are you soliciting requests for beta testers? Beta blockers? Dan Blocker is Sally Bowles in Peter Brook's controversial production of the rarely staged _Cabaret: With a Vengeance_? I digress... What's the software's status, in any case? Thanks for sharing. _______________________________________________________________________ ~ > -- James Keepnews -- < "Put oneself into a state of intense (.-.) * ignorance and curiosity, and yet ( \ > - Multimedia Yahoo - < see things in advance." - * " > keepnews@node.net < -- Robert Bresson (1901-1999) _______________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 08:51:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03470; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:51:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:51:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:44:36 EST Subject: Re: Plexes and instruments: a Sunday evening essay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"2Gfal1.0.I37.sR0gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com kf, et al: <> > But regardless of the sound chip's up-to-datedness, > the looping functionality of the echoplex is by far > the state of the art. > There is nothing out there even close. > By that metric, the echoplex leads the world > by a good 5-10 years of development time! yup, there it is..... feature/functionality/realtime interface-wise, there is *no contest* twixt the edp & any other loopingdevice i've played--- {though, of course: a) there are devices i'm sure i ain't tried, yet & b) it might be noted that the product-oriented paradigm i've used, above, is not necessarily pertinent to the creation of music}. > So your choice: 24bit/96KHz of looping functions from > 1982, hey! i could swear that you'd just said: > The sound chip technology might be a few years old, > 'tis true, but then so's a tube amp > and a microphone and a tb-303. hmmm... anyway: i'm still finding new modes of expression w/my old-tech's sound & functionality; yeah, even the antiquated looping-devices: even the oud, yo. 8bit? 17ksampling? who cares!?! it all just results in a sound flying thru the vibrating & ever-disappearing-air, anyways: to quote russell hoban (way out of context, natch), 'there are no digressions'..... > or 16bit/41.4KHz of the most radically > innovative loop instrument there is! :-) well, actually..... hmmm... lemme thinka minit, ummunnhh..... i think i'll have a double-order of the radical-innovation-thingie (!edp!) w/a healthy buncha old-tech on the side, puhleez..... > my totally biased opinion, of course. :-) an opinion w/which i, for one, agree. pax aus, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 09:37:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25726; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:37:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:37:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000214093355.008ba870@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:33:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is In-Reply-To: <200002140602.AAA19208@servidor.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"U09IJ3.0.kr5.U71gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:02 AM 02/14/2000 -0600, you wrote: > > Well guitar synth,pretty much my subject, I agree with Kim, forget about >trying to sound like other instruments,I turn my guitar signal into a actually..(correct me please Kim??)-- i feel what's unfair about Kim's response is he IS rating guitar synth via sounds that never will work "well" on them -like sax, trumpet, ac gtr, etc(and indeed-depending on your musical needs, they may) by this formula: a violin sucks-since one don't sound so good doing the intro to 'pinball wizard' a piano sucks-- trying to cop all those bernie worrell lines on 'flashlight', or the emerson solo at the end of 'lucky man' USE STUFF FOR WHAT IT IS dunno about you, i'm here to make music outta whatever technology comes along...and that for me starts with the highly technological yamaha acoustic guitar NEXT GIG: Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage 74 Leonard St - NYC - 212-219-3006- http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast!!?? ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com Monica Lewinsky... (on CNN's Larry King Live discussing her miraculous Jenny Craig weight loss): "I've learned not to put things in my mouth that are bad for me" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 09:33:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24183; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:33:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:33:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: <14.eed3e7.25d96ab0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:26:56 EST Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"1YzMc2.0.0T5.W31gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I own a sherman and I absolutely love it! I've used it on everything; Guitars, cheesy keyboards, vocals, my lovely modulars (which will stay in my bedroom even if I get married), but my favorite application had to have been the homemade steel thundersheet from when I had torn the old pool down. The SFB is a great device. I believe it cost me around $650-$750. They even throw in a sticker sheet! Even without the stickers though this unit is well worth buying. Hope I've been of help, Another guy named Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 09:39:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25940; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:39:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:39:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:19:05 -0600 Message-ID: <01bf76fe$d5172da0$0f124f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"RH5SR.0.is5.h71gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The full review by Peter Freeman of EM lists the Filertbank at $799. Looks and sounds! mighty impressive, i've got to stop in at Dr. Sound in NYC and take a closer look. Cheers, Pedro Felix -----Original Message----- From: Peter Shindler To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, February 14, 2000 7:21 AM Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Soto To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 1:02 AM Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions > > But you should check out the new and amazing Sherman Filterbank, wich is > a very cool device with tons of knobs and switches to twist, detune, distort > and deconstruct ANY signal you feed in, here´s the page: > > http://www.ping.be/sherman/ The Filterbank looks like fun! Anyone here played with one of these? And do we have any pricing info (the website doesn't)? Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 09:40:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26102; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:40:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:40:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000214093601.008cb730@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:36:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000214003207.008bd100@mail.monmouth.com> <005d01bf769e$05c6fae0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sIITy2.0.Sw5.O91gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >we are talking about analog synths here, I don't think a piano player is >gonna care much about how close the low-pass is to a real minimoog any more >than he'll care the tone of a timpani :-) It's those analog synth freaks hmmm..by YOUR logic it seems he would. You continually attack the worth of guitar synth, usually on the basis of sounds and 'tracking problems'whatever those are in 2000 in good spirit andre' NEXT GIG: Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage 74 Leonard St - NYC - 212-219-3006- http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast!!?? ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com Monica Lewinsky... (on CNN's Larry King Live discussing her miraculous Jenny Craig weight loss): "I've learned not to put things in my mouth that are bad for me" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 11:51:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05345; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:51:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:51:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:29:14 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.20000214093355.008ba870@mail.monmouth.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <200002140602.AAA19208@servidor.unam.mx> Resent-Message-ID: <"3PasZ2.0._p5.Uu2gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >At 12:02 AM 02/14/2000 -0600, you wrote: >> >> Well guitar synth,pretty much my subject, I agree with Kim, forget about >>trying to sound like other instruments,I turn my guitar signal into a > >actually..(correct me please Kim??)-- i feel what's unfair about Kim's >response is he IS rating guitar synth via sounds that never will work >"well" on them -like sax, trumpet, ac gtr, etc(and indeed-depending on your >musical needs, they may) > >by this formula: > >a violin sucks-since one don't sound so good doing the intro to 'pinball >wizard' > >a piano sucks-- trying to cop all those bernie worrell lines on >'flashlight', or the emerson solo at the end of 'lucky man' > no, that's absolutely nothing at all like what I was saying. That's just what you decided I said so that you could make some other commentary. you do recall that I spent 3 years of my engineering career working on what was supposed to be the be-all and end-all of guitar synths? When I say they all suck, it's a technical commentary on the technology. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 11:58:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07777; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:58:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:58:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A831A3.9D8@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:47:31 -0500 From: legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions References: <005d01bf769e$05c6fae0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UHjht3.0.9I1.6A3gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >>> custom sounds and not trying to sound like a bad timpani or saxophone > >>> player, you'll be much happier! > >>Ok, that's an intriguing idea which I'm going to have to look into. What > >>specific analog synths should I check out? > we are talking about analog synths here, I don't think a piano player is > gonna care much about how close the low-pass is to a real minimoog any more > than he'll care the tone of a timpani :-) It's those analog synth freaks > you have to watch out for, but people I know seem to really like the > Waldorf Q: http://www2.waldorf-gmbh.de/products.html heh. Well I guess at 50+ synths I qualify as an analog synth freak. i also play guitar (straight acoustic or heavily processed electric) and guitar synths (Old Roland analog GR series, midi guitar, etc). The first question you have to ask your self is do you want to use your guitar polyphonically (Ie; more than one note as in chords and such) or for simple leads and monophonic lines. Unless you are using a dedicated guitar synth or midi interface all the effects boxes and analog synths are monophonic. Even the polyphonic synths will only allow you to play into the filter and such so you're not playing the synth itself but merely using it as a processor. While I agrere the Waldorf Q is an amazing synth that is well of $2500US and it still will only let you process through it not play it. there are a few old analogs with Pitch convertors in them that actually track the guitar note coming in to oscillators inside the synth and this might be fun if you're looking to do a lead type thing. The korg MS20 does this as does thre Roland SVC355. both are rare and very $$ of course. The Korg X911 "Guitar synth" is a msall box geared towards mangling spounds but doesn't track too well (actually nonoe of the older analog pitch convertors track well.) If you just want to mangle the guitar signal beyond comprehension then something as basic asthe Waldorf 4pole filter box might work. you could also go the completely other route and pick up a vintage modular like the arp 2600 or EMS VCS3 (as used by Pink Floyd!) for well over $2k again. The cheapest and easier route ti as someone said to string guitar stompboxes together. You can even throw something like the boss SYB3 "Bass synth" pedal in the loop for good measure. the reissue EH Mircosynth also does terribly wrong things ot an original signla and might be worth checking out. I wrote a detailed post on using FX with guitar a while ago. You can read it from this link: http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/guitarfx.htm good luck! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." 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From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 12:42:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31028; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:42:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:42:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A839F5.FF35DF09@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:23:07 -0800 From: George Van Wagner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is References: <200002140602.AAA19208@servidor.unam.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KG1fk.0.Fc5.Hc3gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gotta agree with Kim here, given that the ideal MIDI guitar control would be one that feels and behaves like a guitar, but give MIDI output. After all, keyboard players don't have to relearn how to play the instrument just to play synths, and neither should guitar players. As a mostly fingerstyle guitar player, as much as I lust for a MIDI controller, nothing I have ever played is even close to acceptable. It has nothing to do with sounds, but with how well the controller itself works. I actually had a brief discussion with Kim about this at NAMM, as we both agreed (or at least I got the impression we did) that the only way to get around some of the basic limitations of a guitar controller is to wire the frets for initial pitch information, then morph over to the string vibration for dynamics and other such esoterica. We're talking about a pretty expensive toy, here, (wiring underneath a fretboard and the like, possible with segmented frets so each string has its own trigger is no trivial task) as no pitch to MIDI (or pitch to voltage) conversion is EVER going to track smoothly and quickly enough to be more than a curiousity. At least for me, and I've tried just about everything that's out there at this point. George Kim Flint wrote: > > >At 12:02 AM 02/14/2000 -0600, you wrote: > >> > >> Well guitar synth,pretty much my subject, I agree with Kim, forget about > >>trying to sound like other instruments,I turn my guitar signal into a > > > >actually..(correct me please Kim??)-- i feel what's unfair about Kim's > >response is he IS rating guitar synth via sounds that never will work > >"well" on them -like sax, trumpet, ac gtr, etc(and indeed-depending on your > >musical needs, they may) > > > >by this formula: > > > >a violin sucks-since one don't sound so good doing the intro to 'pinball > >wizard' > > > >a piano sucks-- trying to cop all those bernie worrell lines on > >'flashlight', or the emerson solo at the end of 'lucky man' > > > > no, that's absolutely nothing at all like what I was saying. That's just > what you decided I said so that you could make some other commentary. > > you do recall that I spent 3 years of my engineering career working on what > was supposed to be the be-all and end-all of guitar synths? When I say they > all suck, it's a technical commentary on the technology. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 13:08:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13951; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:08:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:08:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Running guitar in to a Korg AR1 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:58:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"tmC_b.0.Ng2.LB4gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anyone run a regular guitar signal into either of the KORG ER or AR devices to use their on-board synthing capabilities? Any words of advice? David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 13:01:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11981; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:01:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:01:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:52:40 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2a (Intl)|23 November 1999) at 14/02/2000 17:52:41 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"zgU9Z2.0.X52.J44gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [George:] > as no pitch to MIDI (or pitch to voltage) conversion is > EVER going to track smoothly and quickly enough to be > more than a curiousity. I read that the AXON converter uses what is essentially a neural net to "learn" the characteristics of your instrument, and preempt the usual 1/2 freq. delay in conversion. Other members may be able to give their opinions on how well this works, but it does pull down the conversion time for the lower strings (at least on paper). Also, it seems that piezo pickups in the bridge track better than magnetic (under the strings) ones. The GK-2A tracks reasonably for an afforable synth solution as long as it's mounted properly, and you use a pick/plectrum and a nice clean technique. But I know Bert Jansch uses a MIDI converter of some sort, and gets it to work for finger-style playing. Anyone know what he's using? I think there was also a guitar (late 1980s) that bounced an ultrasonic wave from the bridge up the string, where it reflected off the fret, and using this it could work out the note for MIDI info. Sensors near the bridge detected string bending. I think Andy Summers used one. Anyone remember this, or is it my over-active imagination again? - John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 13:24:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25324; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:24:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:24:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A84734.67F2965@home.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:19:32 -0800 From: Neil Goldstein Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Running guitar in to a Korg AR1 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"m5Viu1.0.nN5.qR4gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I run guitar and guit synth through an ER-1. It doesn't synthesize per se. But you can ring modulate the external sound coupled with one of the percussion sounds. Main musical use is for gating the external sound per the programmed rhythm along with the percussion synth pattern. Settings are limited to control of the volume, pan, low boost and decay of the external sound. Its neat having the guitar or whatever be one of the drum machine voices. Though keyboard sounds like organ or pads, sounds with a consistent sustain, are more controllable and traditionally used with the gating effect, its kind of a trip to have the ER chop up the guitar rhythms in assorted ways. Advice would be the same as for everything else in the musical tools category: experiment, and YMMV. David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > Has anyone run a regular guitar signal into either of the KORG ER or AR > devices to use their on-board synthing capabilities? > > Any words of advice? > > David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 14:05:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10211; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:05:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:05:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000f01bf771d$70d6de70$b74badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions - stompbox DIY Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:57:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"z9j2W1.0._V1._z4gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Legion's post reminded me of some early experiments with stompbox FX I undertook when I first got into electronic music. At the time, since I couldn't afford a "real synthesizer", I imagined ways of creating an abstract "synth" using the crappy old stomp boxes of the day, moldering away in pawn shops and junky music stores. Of course, I could have built things too, but that's a different story. I started with a typical monosynth architecture as a guide to which role each effect would play in my "synth design", i.e., based on VCO + VCF + VCA, ala Moog, Arp, and Roland. Basically, a subtractive synthesis architecture. [For the uninitiated, VCO = 'Voltage-Controlled Oscillator', your sound/pitch source; VCF = 'Voltage-Controlled Filter', usually a Low Pass filter, or a combination or Low Pass and High-Pass. You can think of this as timbre control - how the sound changes, its character); and finally, VCA = Voltage-Controlled Amplifier, which controls the volume, loudness and dynamics of your sound. Any one, or all, of these components may be routed through an Envelope Generator (EG), which creates the shape of the sound across the time. The typical VCA has controls for Attack, Decay, Sustain and Release, hence, EGs are commonly referred to as ADSR, AD, or AR, depending on the type of EG. For more info on synthesizer theory, search the Web for "subtractive synthesis".] So given this type of architecture, it's relatively simple to categorize various stompboxes under each functional relationship: either it's a VCO-, VCF-, or VCA-related effect. My first concept was something like this: Guit.(VCO)--> Pitch-Shifter (sub-oscillator) --> Envelope Filter --> Rex50 (ADSR) --> Amp In the VCO category, the Guitar is the pitch source, with a pitch shifter as a sub-oscillator (commonly found on Roland monosyths). You can also side-chain a stereo chorus or flanger before or after the pitch-shifter to fatten up the sound. In the VCF category, the envelope filter was a crummy Cry Baby Volume/Wah (and an old 7-band Graphic EQ) to control the overall tone and timbre. The Wah allowed realtime parameter tweeking ;). For the VCA section, I used a Yamaha REX50, a little-appreciated multi-effects box with a nifty ADSR patch I used to control the dynamics or the output stage. Another wild and useful patch is the Pan - which behaves like an LFO - also another useful synth-like function. Other "synth design" pedals, like envelope followers, phase shifters, tremelos, etc, add considerable sonic variety to your bag of tricks. Add a patchbay, and you've got a semi-modular psuedo-synth!! :) Adding a looping rig and the noise-making possibilities become mind-boggling. Later, - Larry -----Original Message----- From: legion To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, February 14, 2000 12:32 PM Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions >> >>> custom sounds and not trying to sound like a bad timpani or saxophone >> >>> player, you'll be much happier! >> >>Ok, that's an intriguing idea which I'm going to have to look into. What >> >>specific analog synths should I check out? > >> we are talking about analog synths here, I don't think a piano player is >> gonna care much about how close the low-pass is to a real minimoog any more >> than he'll care the tone of a timpani :-) It's those analog synth freaks >> you have to watch out for, but people I know seem to really like the >> Waldorf Q: http://www2.waldorf-gmbh.de/products.html > >heh. > >Well I guess at 50+ synths I qualify as an analog synth freak. i also >play guitar (straight acoustic or heavily processed electric) and guitar >synths (Old Roland analog GR series, midi guitar, etc). > >The first question you have to ask your self is do you want to use your >guitar polyphonically (Ie; more than one note as in chords and such) or >for simple leads and monophonic lines. > >Unless you are using a dedicated guitar synth or midi interface all the >effects boxes and analog synths are monophonic. Even the polyphonic >synths will only allow you to play into the filter and such so you're >not playing the synth itself but merely using it as a processor. > >While I agrere the Waldorf Q is an amazing synth that is well of $2500US >and it still will only let you process through it not play it. > >there are a few old analogs with Pitch convertors in them that actually >track the guitar note coming in to oscillators inside the synth and this >might be fun if you're looking to do a lead type thing. The korg MS20 >does this as does thre Roland SVC355. both are rare and very $$ of >course. The Korg X911 "Guitar synth" is a msall box geared towards >mangling spounds but doesn't track too well (actually nonoe of the older >analog pitch convertors track well.) > >If you just want to mangle the guitar signal beyond comprehension then >something as basic asthe Waldorf 4pole filter box might work. you could >also go the completely other route and pick up a vintage modular like >the arp 2600 or EMS VCS3 (as used by Pink Floyd!) for well over $2k >again. > >The cheapest and easier route ti as someone said to string guitar >stompboxes together. You can even throw something like the boss SYB3 >"Bass synth" pedal in the loop for good measure. the reissue EH >Mircosynth also does terribly wrong things ot an original signla and >might be worth checking out. > >I wrote a detailed post on using FX with guitar a while ago. You can >read it from this link: > >http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/guitarfx.htm > >good luck! > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion >"Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > >Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and >info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 14:30:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22555; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:30:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:30:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A85600.944A2B25@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:22:55 -0800 From: George Van Wagner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wUzBM.0.KG4.PM5gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I checked out the Axon AX-100 at NAMM. If you use a pick, it's probably the best choice of what's out there currently, but it can't track fingerstyle playing at all, since their technology is based on reading the transient from the pick attack. I was seriously considering buying one, but my existing IVL Pitchrider tracks better than the Axon for my style (not that it's all that great either). The only MIDI converter I know of that's supposed to work for fingerstyle guitar is the Shadow system that's designed for acoustics (aimed at nylon string players, primarily). George johnmcc@aldiscon.ie wrote: > > [George:] > > as no pitch to MIDI (or pitch to voltage) conversion is > > EVER going to track smoothly and quickly enough to be > > more than a curiousity. > > I read that the AXON converter uses what is essentially a neural net to > "learn" the characteristics of your instrument, and preempt the usual 1/2 > freq. delay in conversion. Other members may be able to give their opinions > on how well this works, but it does pull down the conversion time for the > lower strings (at least on paper). Also, it seems that piezo pickups in the > bridge track better than magnetic (under the strings) ones. The GK-2A > tracks reasonably for an afforable synth solution as long as it's mounted > properly, and you use a pick/plectrum and a nice clean technique. But I > know Bert Jansch uses a MIDI converter of some sort, and gets it to work > for finger-style playing. Anyone know what he's using? > > I think there was also a guitar (late 1980s) that bounced an ultrasonic > wave from the bridge up the string, where it reflected off the fret, and > using this it could work out the note for MIDI info. Sensors near the > bridge detected string bending. I think Andy Summers used one. Anyone > remember this, or is it my over-active imagination again? > > - John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 19:23:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06405; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:23:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:23:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000214234118.9351.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:41:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: OT: beginner guitar synth questions- To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"b33Jc1.0.ho7.9h9gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Peter Shindler wrote: > Also, is it the box or the pickup that's responsible > for the quality of the > tracking? Is the GK-2A the only pickup I'll need to > look at? > Before Kim kills this OT thread, it is the string gauge that is responsible ;-} Peter's query has created much response about tracking, pickups, sounds, and midi for guitar. If I had read these responses 3 years ago I would have never tried a midi guitar. Thank goodness I tried it myself. Does midi guitar suck? For someone with refined needs like Kim, apparently. I didn't know any better, and decided for myself that I like playing midi guitar. So much so that I removed all 3 of the standard pickups from my Ibanez solid body guitar. It only has an internal GK-2a pickup now. Are piezos clearly better than a GK-2a? In my (and others) experience no. Roland VG-8 users have noted string to string crosstalk problems with the RMC piezos. Piezos have much more low frequency content on initial attack that can be a problem when using them with Roland VG-8, unless you install a low pass filter in the VG-8 (yes I know a vg-8 is not midi). Go read the vg-8 mailing list for more details. What effects tracking? 1.The guitar strings 2.the physical characteristics of the guitar body, neck, bridge etc 3.The pickup design, mount and installation 4.The analog input filters and pitch to midi converter in the box (axon, gr-30 etc) and most importantly: 5. How you have set the input control parameters of that box 6. interacting with How you play 7. and How you listen You cannot acurately judge a midi guitar system, or vg-8 without insuring proper pickup installation, and hex input setup adjusted to work with YOUR playing style. You may have to modify Your playing style to track more accurately, to get the sound out when and how you intend. That of course is true of acoustic instruments as well. I was surprised to find out from the various emails that fingerpicking doesn't work with midi guitars. I never use a pick on midi guitar, I use my thumb and 3 fingers. Jee, I thought it worked. I guess I just fooled myself for the past 3 years. What do I know, I have only played guitar for 32 years? I probably don't even know how to play the guitar, I have just fooled myself into thinking that. IMO, playing cleanly triggered midi guitar using finger picking is much like playing clean, precise finger picked acoustic guitar. If you play sloppy, it sounds sloppy. But I am no expert player. And I know I am a fool because I actually enjoy some the the sounds on the Roland GR-09 like sax, hammond organ, and god fobid, trumpet. Do I sound like Ben Webster, Jimmy Smith or Miles? Hell no, was I supposed to? I sound like me, a fool having fun with sounds. When I play (an actual) acoustic guitar I don't sound like Django either. Peter has specific desires of creating sounds on the pc, and using midi guitar to control them. As noted by others the best path for that is probably a high grade midi controller (axon), controlling a sound source that allows this pc dump. As noted, Roland GR-09, GR-30 don't allow that. And yes, the midi output on a gr-09 and gr-30 are slower than using the internal voices. In spite of that, I enjoy using the midi out of my gr-09. I use it to: 1. Input to the oberheim drummer so that it interacts with my playing. 2. Input to the oberheim cyclone to arpeggiate the midi note stream before I route the midi stream back into the gr-09 voices 3. Input to a kenton midi to cv convertor to control one or several moog synths which are used as either a.complete synth (vco, vcf, adsr, adsr, lfo.....) or b.input sound from either the vg-8 or gr-09 into the synth filter and envelope generators and other modulators. I find that a complex sound like a sax is much more fun to modulate than a square wave or triangle wave oscillator (even if that ocs has dynamic waveshapes). While the Roland vg-8 is not midi, it is a fun, and highly tweekable sound source (hexaphonic modifier) that reacts to and expresses subtleties of playing in a most wonderful way. I use the vg-8, and the gr-09 individually and in combination (using roland us-20)for a vaste amount of tone colors, and subtle, (almost) instant response (vg-8) when that is required. It sucks how much fun I am having with this gawd awful midi guitar, fake instrument sounds, and slow midi control, looped into multiple echoplexes with old codec chips. And the answer to the most important question? I use .10's, or are they .11's? bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 21:41:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04970; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 21:41:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 21:41:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000214213654.007afce0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 21:36:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Plexes and instruments: a Sunday evening essay In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"aqil22.0.Yp.njBgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 08:44 AM 2/14/00 EST, dt wrote: >i think i'll have a double-order of the radical-innovation-thingie (!edp!) w/a healthy buncha old-tech on the side, puhleez..... > Mmmmm, sounds good. Waiter, I'd like the Eclectic Platter special too, please. That comes with tubes AND chips, right? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 22:15:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19577; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:15:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:15:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:10:19 EST Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"SlhzQ2.0.af4.DFCgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << remember the attack on Dylan for 'going electric' >> Dylan went electric!?!!! when???? Seriously, a guitar synth can do some wonderful things. The first one I had was the now dirt cheap, but a little hard-to-find Yamaha G10--kinda looked like a long green pickle with strings. Worked perfect for laying down pads and bass lines in particular and some very neat, weird percussion. Tracked just fine and transmitted over midi well. The new guitar synths are very good too, but really no better than the "old' G10. Each string could be assigned a different midi channel which was very cool for those really dense pads. One thing I learned over the years with many guitar synths is that I would always shut off aftertouch and pitch bend on a midi sound module controlled by a guitar synth unless I had a specific reason for needing it. One way to help your system respond more accurately to what you're actually playing. In think the best Roland made was the GR1 (w/expansion) and the truly magical VG-8. hawkeye Dylan really did go electric??? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 22:25:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01421; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:48:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:48:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Alan Barnard" To: Subject: RE: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:35:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <38A839F5.FF35DF09@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"3LXmc.0.PR7.Zl4gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Guys, I don't purport to know anything about guitar synthesizers, but I thought my perspective might be of interest in regards to this thread. I am a drummer/percussionist who has played traditional drum kit and percussion in a variety of styles for over 25 years. Approximately two years ago I gave up these traditional instruments for a Zendrum. It has taken two years of concerted effort to develop a viable technique for this new instrument. It has been a very interesting process. I pretty much had to re-learn my chops from the ground up - tapping on a Zendrum is nothing like cracking a rimshot with the butt of a 2B stick or stomping on a DW pedal. Yet in giving this up, I've gained access to a virtually infinite array of sounds and textures and discovered looping in the process! And I must say that I've had a helluva lot of fun in the process. For years digital drummers have been screaming for a "rubber pad" drumkit that feels and sounds like "real" drums. Somehow it seems like they're missing the point completely. These are new instruments with their own advantages and disadvantages. The magic lies in taking full advantage and overcoming the obstacles... Just my humble opinion... Best regards, Alan. ________________________________ Alan Barnard Digital Drummer/Percussionist e-drums@pacbell.net http://www.kiene.com/epercussion > -----Original Message----- > From: George Van Wagner [mailto:vanwag@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 9:23 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is > > > Gotta agree with Kim here, given that the ideal MIDI guitar control > would be one that feels and behaves like a guitar, but give MIDI output. > After all, keyboard players don't have to relearn how to play the > instrument just to play synths, and neither should guitar players. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 22:38:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32145; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:38:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:38:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <3e.1046147.25da22e4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:32:52 EST Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"Dml_53.0.9R7.9aCgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << These are new instruments with their own advantages and disadvantages. The magic lies in taking full advantage and overcoming the obstacles... >> well said, Alan hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 22:37:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32079; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:37:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:37:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:30:33 EST Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"b3qHd1.0.D57._XCgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << I think there was also a guitar (late 1980s) that bounced an ultrasonic wave from the bridge up the string, where it reflected off the fret, and using this it could work out the note for MIDI info >> The Yamaha G10 Guitar Synth (Big Green Pickle) worked that way. It's stings were all 16's, all tuned to G. Tracked pretty damn well, Better than the last Roland Strat I played. It is a two-part deal. One the pickle, the other a rackmount G10A conversion module. No sounds of it's own, but used to drive other modules, worked great. hawkeye ps: "all guitar synths suck" according to Kim. According to me and a few thousand others, that's just not the case. They do have a place in a sound 'arsenal'. Of course, I regret that I'm not an engineer that knows everything, absolutely. ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 00:10:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09134; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:10:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:10:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000215000906.008c1b80@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:09:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: RE: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is In-Reply-To: References: <38A839F5.FF35DF09@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fahqM1.0.gv1.wxDgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com (snipp..) >and discovered looping in the process! And I must say that I've had a >helluva lot of fun in the process. For years digital drummers have been >screaming for a "rubber pad" drumkit that feels and sounds like "real" >drums. Somehow it seems like they're missing the point completely. These are >new instruments with their own advantages and disadvantages. The magic lies >in taking full advantage and overcoming the obstacles... > >Just my humble opinion...>Best regards, Alan. AHhh..alan has put in words what i apparently can't. "an ostrich is not a lion" thanks alan....key sentence..."Somehow it seems like they're missing the point completely." LIve Looping!!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS--March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 00:13:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10402; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:13:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:13:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000215000240.00a08210@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:02:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is In-Reply-To: <38A85600.944A2B25@earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"PQ97z2.0.wq1.quDgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:22 AM 2/14/00 -0800, you wrote: >I checked out the Axon AX-100 at NAMM. If you use a pick, it's probably >the best choice of what's out there currently, but it can't track >fingerstyle playing at all, since their technology is based on reading The Yamaha G50 uses Axon's neural net technology and the few bass players I've talked to who have tried it with Yamaha's pickup for bass guitars were impressed with it (they all play bass fingerstyle). Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 00:03:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07403; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:03:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:03:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000214235923.008bf4f0@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 23:59:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: NewsFlash.....Guitar synth=Guitar Synth and Guitar=Guitar In-Reply-To: <38A839F5.FF35DF09@earthlink.net> References: <200002140602.AAA19208@servidor.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"t8QiF.0.8N1.poDgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:23 AM 02/14/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Gotta agree with Kim here, given that the ideal MIDI guitar control >would be one that feels and behaves like a guitar, but give MIDI output. uhh..if one wants something that in ALL ways acts like a guitar..... Hey--Why not reach for a Guitar?? sounds ez to me After all, keyboard players don't have to relearn how to play the >instrument just to play synths, yes-- but they have to plug them into electrical outlets--and they can't reach in and put cool stuff in the strings like Cage.... so--should a piano player weep and moan and never use a keyboard controlled synth??? and --- i or anyone else open wanting to use guitar synth doesnt have to 'relearn' guitar either.. I guess abercrombie, dimeola, mclaughlin and metheny are either hacks or have low standards. All use gtr/synth regularly-and seem to treat them as...guitar synth..not guitars sheesh.why all this cognitive dissonance?? LIve Looping!!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS--March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 00:03:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07409; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:03:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:03:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000215000020.008c6100@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:00:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"p3eQj1.0.xO1.jpDgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >bridge track better than magnetic (under the strings) ones. The GK-2A >tracks reasonably for an afforable synth solution as long as it's mounted >properly, and you use a pick/plectrum and a nice clean technique. But I >know Bert Jansch uses a MIDI converter of some sort, and gets it to work >for finger-style playing. Anyone know what he's using? who cares?? isn't it impossible??? LIve Looping!!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS--March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 00:30:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22918; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:30:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:30:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000215002820.008ccb20@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:28:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: OT: beginner guitar synth questions- In-Reply-To: <20000214234118.9351.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GYY3G.0.e25.zDEgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com right on you mean you enjoy this godawful thing??? impossible. >Does midi guitar suck? For someone with refined needs >like Kim, apparently. yes--and KIm-- it's very cool that YOU don't enjoy them. My earlier point was that you should let a newbie get some info without so much of a value judgement... and re: your comment about my desire for 'commentary"..what are we here for??? >I never use a pick on midi guitar, I use my thumb and >3 fingers. Jee, I thought it worked. I guess I just >fooled myself for the past 3 years. What do I know, I >have only played guitar for 32 years? I probably >don't even know how to play the guitar, I have just >fooled myself into thinking that. apparently so(he he heh :) >And I know I am a fool because I actually enjoy some >the the sounds on the Roland GR-09 like sax, hammond >organ, and god fobid, trumpet. Do I sound like Ben >Webster, Jimmy Smith or Miles? Hell no, was I supposed >to? I sound like me, a fool having fun with sounds. >When I play (an actual) acoustic guitar I don't sound >like Django either. > sounds crazy to me. >While the Roland vg-8 is not midi, it is a fun, and >highly tweekable sound source (hexaphonic modifier) no..it's not..it just sucks and you must hate it, no?? > >It sucks how much fun I am having with this gawd awful >midi guitar, fake instrument sounds, and slow midi >control, looped into multiple echoplexes with old >codec chips. > there ya go!! LIve Looping!!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS--March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 00:30:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18622; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:43:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:43:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003a01bf773c$342d7280$2317c8d5@m4998.balcab.ch> Reply-To: "Mark Kunzmann" From: "Mark Kunzmann" To: Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 23:38:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"0-ueR2.0.Yo3.3C8gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I haven't kept up on this thread so forgive me if the following has already been mentioned. You guys have already established that the guitar will hardly allow for zero latency pitch tracking in a 'conventional' instrument. Now, if you're going to play MIDI guitar IMHO I think you have to let go of the notion of the 'guitar' and start thinking of it as an entirely new instrument. Although the playing techniques may be similar for both, the instruments (mentally) are not. They require a different approach. Technology obviously also forces us to take that different approach, but from this point of view, should it not seem logical that the instruments be unique not only mentally but physically i.e. the MIDI controller and the guitar be two separate instruments? The question is not only, *can* a guitar also be made into a (satisfactory) MIDI guitar, but *should* it be? I was wondering if anybody has tried Harvey Starr's instruments or has anything to say about his approach to the guitar/MIDI guitar problem? I've never played one of them: http://www.catalog.com/starrlab/ thanks for listening Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 00:34:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24554; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:34:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:34:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000215003210.008d4510@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:32:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"4Z2bg1.0.kc5.ZHEgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:10 PM 02/14/2000 EST, you wrote: ><< remember the attack on Dylan for 'going electric' >> > >Dylan went electric!?!!! when???? > >Seriously, a guitar synth can do some wonderful things. The first one I had >was the now dirt cheap, but a little hard-to-find Yamaha G10--kinda looked >like a long green pickle with strings. Worked perfect for laying down pads >and bass lines in particular and some very neat, weird percussion. Tracked >just fine and transmitted over midi well. no it DIDN'T.You, too, are clearly hallucinating >playing. In think the best Roland made was the GR1 (w/expansion) and the >truly magical VG-8. i agree--and thats where i started-- hoping to recommend avery useful unit to a newbie a big mistake of roland was to kill the GR1. They always run to the next 'better' models too fast!!! and-- the Dylan thing is only a rumor. I think he's gonna convert back to acoustic!! LIve Looping!!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS--March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 00:56:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03143; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:56:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:56:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000215005414.008bea50@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:54:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Guitar synths for sale.. In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000215003210.008d4510@mail.monmouth.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"oF5PW2.0.iR.EcEgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com BTW--i see four roland GR1 guitars synthsfor sale on ebay all between $350 and $500 , most incl. the GK2 or 2A pickup search "roland gr 1" peace ps--this unit is GREAT..remember--it's the only 1990s guitar synth that lets you tweak LIVE--on the FLY -resonance -reverb, chorus parameters -cutoff -much more--on each sound.also a built in squencer--which they dumped in later models.. this unit was SRP $1500 in 1992 !!! LIve Looping!!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS--March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 01:26:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15268; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 01:26:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 01:26:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000215011803.00a0b900@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 01:18:03 -0500 To: Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is In-Reply-To: <003a01bf773c$342d7280$2317c8d5@m4998.balcab.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"rfsMe1.0.RJ3.S_Egu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:38 PM 2/14/00 +0100, Mark Kunzmann wrote: >Technology obviously also forces us to take that different approach, but >from this point of view, should it not seem logical that the instruments be >unique not only mentally but physically i.e. the MIDI controller and the >guitar be two separate instruments? The question is not only, *can* a guitar >also be made into a (satisfactory) MIDI guitar, but *should* it be? I suspect these are questions that only you can answer for yourself. :) I've been off and on this list for a couple of years and virtually everybody here has his/her own goals and interests that somehow have something to do with looping. :) >I was wondering if anybody has tried Harvey Starr's instruments or has >anything to say about his approach to the guitar/MIDI guitar problem? I've I have. I grew up in San Diego, CA and Starrlabs is in downtown SD. Harvey is a nice guy - last time I visited him at his shop he was working on a "honeycomb" MIDI controller special-ordered by a microtonal composer in, I think, Chicago - the keys were hexagonal and arranged in such a way that the playing surface looked like a bent honeycomb. I haven't met too many guitar players who can get past the fact that the six strings of the "neck" are replaced by a 6x24 array of keys. But once you overcome that obstacle (if it ever was one for you personally), the Ztars and Zboards offer a lot of possibilities. In a way, the Ztar is the exact opposite of the Roland VG8 and any kind of guitar synth/MIDI guitar setup in which the behavior and sound of real strings are translated into signals for synths and MIDI modules. The latter attempts (with reasonable success) to superimpose the physical behavior of the guitar (or bass guitar or tapping instrument such as Stick) onto synthesizers. The former gives you a guitar-like interface but encourages you to try things that totally outside that physical behavior of real guitars. A simple example would be playing chords on one "string". Ztars have evolved to the point that they have begun offering programming and realtime control options that surpass the capability of most "normal" (as in organ-like) keyboard controllers. For example, the current generation supports true polyphonic aftertouch, which I understand is all but impossible to find in the current generation of "normal" keyboards. Not surprisingly, Ztars are very flexible instruments if you want to try different "tunings" (I have an acquaintance who configured the lower half of the neck to be reversed 5ths like a Stick and the upper half to be straight 4ths) and microtunings. You can play around with different microtonal temperaments and switch tonal centers, temperaments, etc. by hitting control pads. I guess the short take is that Ztars are not guitars - they are a new class of instruments that are familiar enough for guitarists to learn to play in a short amount of time but they can't really be expected to "play" exactly like guitars anymore than a clarinet "plays" exactly like a saxophone. Nothing will stop, you of course, from playing "Stairway" on it using acoustic guitar samples, but... hey I'd think it would be a waste of money but then again I'm not you... :) PAolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 01:26:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15267; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 01:26:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 01:26:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A8EFE9.3B8D7C78@home.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:19:21 -0800 From: Neil Goldstein Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar synths for sale.. References: <3.0.6.32.20000215005414.008bea50@mail.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RqMhK3.0.eH3.l-Egu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does the GR-1 trigger midi as well as the GR30? andre wrote: > > BTW--i see four roland GR1 guitars synthsfor sale on ebay > > all between $350 and $500 , most incl. the GK2 or 2A pickup > > search "roland gr 1" > > peace > > ps--this unit is GREAT..remember--it's the only 1990s guitar synth that > lets you tweak LIVE--on the FLY > > -resonance > -reverb, chorus parameters > -cutoff > -much more--on each sound.also a built in squencer--which they dumped in > later models.. > > this unit was SRP $1500 in 1992 !!! > > LIve Looping!!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - > Knitactive Soundstage > http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast > > ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS--March /April 2000 tourdates > at http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 02:42:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09867; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 02:42:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 02:42:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000215023119.007c7990@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 02:31:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Porp61@cs.com, Bmcdevitt@microarts.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Stuck in the Middle Problem: Jumpered Jacks/Mailaway In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"brqVD2.0.qN1.n1Ggu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hoooooray. The misioncontrolherniamaker is feeling much better. The problem has been solved, and Mr. Butler's diagnosis wins the prize for being the closest to the strangeness that was actually going on. The speaker outs were jumpered to jacks on the side of my rack. The jack grounds were weakly and intermittently shorting through some metal components of the rack. When I attempted to contact Electar*, Gibson Tech Support wanted me to send the unit away for repair by an authorized service center. Since I wasn't at all positive the problem was within the amp at all, I really just wanted some assistance in troubleshooting its use with other equipment. I can understand Gibson's perspective in wanting to ensure the problem wasn't on their end with a defective product, but I really didn't want to pay to send a new, straight-outa-the-box amp away for repair when there probably was nothing wrong with it, to find a problem with a larger system of which it was only a part. Gibson's Tech Rep was polite and professional, and I'm not slamming their service at all, but I feel fortunate for forums such as this one where a common topic of discussion is the INTERACTION of the various pieces of gear within our setups, not just manufacturer-specific specs. It's cool that reps from several different gear-makers can exist symbiotically on Looper's Delight, enriching the loopcommunity as we mix and match our electronics, new and old. In troubleshooting, I found several other weak links in the system, which have since been addressed, so in effect my whole speaker system has just had a tuneup. Sounds pretty good now! Amazing what a little solder, a vacuum cleaner and some replacement grille screws can do to a club-weary pair of 12" stage monitors still wearing the dust and grime of their tour of duty in the Elvis Room, Portsmouth, NH. Thanks to all who offered advice. Tim * Didn't a batch of EDP footswitches come out a while back bearing the Electar logo? What happened with that, anyway? How many divisions did Gibson shuffle it around to post-Oberhiem and pre-Trace Elliott? The manufacturing history of the EDP would make an interesting addition to the Tools of the Trade page for the EDP, don'cha think? At 12:53 PM 2/5/00 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 04/02/00 19:42:50 GMT Standard Time, tcn62@ici.net writes: > >> amp's mono/bridge switch is in the correct >> position, >How about the speaker connections, if the -VE outputs aren't both grounded >then I figure you could get the effect you describe by swapping over the two >-VE speaker wires. Then the +VE of one spkr would be connected to the >-VE of the wrong channel( &v.v.). >just an idea mind , have you asked 'Electar'? , bet they'd know straight away. > >Oh , and commiserations with the 'hernia'. > >Andy "Rack-too-Large-also" Butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 02:39:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08520; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 02:39:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 02:39:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 08:35:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"tuM7T2.0.Rz1.T7Ggu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The major gripe with guitar-synth and "drum synths", are the triggering speed which is lame if it goes through any MIDI. Any drummer I know says they have to learn to play the latency time or lag time. When you, after a while, turn back to regular drums, you don't have to adjust. Same with guitarists. Any guitar synth player I ve heard sounds like a medium (or poorly) talented keyboard player with just pads and soundtracks, and, the odd trumpet sounds, i e SLOW ATTACK sounds. Gate/Voltage drums triggering are the best (fastest) so far. MIDI ought to be replaced by now. Hitting a pad, or striking a string, the sound have to come off right on, not 5 ms late, not 5 ms early, but dead on. That's the problem with all Pitch-to-MIDI conversion today. /mats -----Original Message----- From: Alan Barnard [mailto:alan@kiene.com] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 7:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is Hi Guys, I don't purport to know anything about guitar synthesizers, but I thought my perspective might be of interest in regards to this thread. I am a drummer/percussionist who has played traditional drum kit and percussion in a variety of styles for over 25 years. Approximately two years ago I gave up these traditional instruments for a Zendrum. It has taken two years of concerted effort to develop a viable technique for this new instrument. It has been a very interesting process. I pretty much had to re-learn my chops from the ground up - tapping on a Zendrum is nothing like cracking a rimshot with the butt of a 2B stick or stomping on a DW pedal. Yet in giving this up, I've gained access to a virtually infinite array of sounds and textures and discovered looping in the process! And I must say that I've had a helluva lot of fun in the process. For years digital drummers have been screaming for a "rubber pad" drumkit that feels and sounds like "real" drums. Somehow it seems like they're missing the point completely. These are new instruments with their own advantages and disadvantages. The magic lies in taking full advantage and overcoming the obstacles... Just my humble opinion... Best regards, Alan. ________________________________ Alan Barnard Digital Drummer/Percussionist e-drums@pacbell.net http://www.kiene.com/epercussion > -----Original Message----- > From: George Van Wagner [mailto:vanwag@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 9:23 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is > > > Gotta agree with Kim here, given that the ideal MIDI guitar control > would be one that feels and behaves like a guitar, but give MIDI output. > After all, keyboard players don't have to relearn how to play the > instrument just to play synths, and neither should guitar players. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 03:39:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA00366; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 03:39:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 03:39:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005b01bf7790$02817de0$fe0002c0@intercom.es.intercom.es> From: "samuel" To: Subject: OT: Yamaha mailing list Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:38:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"2Uuv13.0.2i7.Y_Ggu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry by the OT. Do you knnow the existance of some mailing list or other resources about audio equipment manufactured by YAMAHA? I have lotsa problems with SU700 and just want to bomb my questions to the whole crew to get fast answers... [If some of you personally own the yamaha su700, please let me know privately. I'm desperating with this hell-machine!] Thanks very much in advance Sam #ICQ 38770781 Email: samu@findermac.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 04:59:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03928; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 04:59:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 04:59:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 01:53:21 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"wl33l3.0.aW.N9Igu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >ps: "all guitar synths suck" according to Kim. According to me and a few >thousand others, that's just not the case. They do have a place in a sound >'arsenal'. Of course, I regret that I'm not an engineer that knows >everything, absolutely. ;-) fascinating how many times my one sentence has been distorted and taken out of context today. I was going to explain my comment and maybe tell you all some of the neat stuff I learned in guitar/alternate-controller-research-land, but the whole topic's gotten a bit rank and vicious for reasons that escaped me. At this point it's more fun to sit back and see just what it is I might be thinking tomorrow. I'm sure somebody here will tell me. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 05:37:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21101; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 05:37:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 05:37:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000215103039.23799.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 02:30:39 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"8ts3-1.0.LN4.LhIgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com C'mon Kim, pleeze! pleeze! pleeze! We'll be good. We promise! We want a story. --- Kim Flint wrote: > I was going to explain my comment > and maybe tell you all > some of the neat stuff I learned in > guitar/alternate-controller-research-land, but the > whole topic's gotten a > bit rank and vicious for reasons that escaped me. At > this point it's more > fun to sit back and see just what it is I might be > thinking tomorrow. I'm > sure somebody here will tell me. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 09:06:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10422; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:06:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:06:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000215090219.008c06a0@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:02:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: Guitar synths for sale.. In-Reply-To: <38A8EFE9.3B8D7C78@home.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000215005414.008bea50@mail.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"aOZRq3.0.c62.-lLgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:19 PM 02/14/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Does the GR-1 trigger midi as well as the GR30? > i feel that it does...and the trade-off of programmability/expandability is way worth it. same pickup technology -gk2 or gk-2A >andre wrote: >> >> BTW--i see four roland GR1 guitars synthsfor sale on ebay >> >> all between $350 and $500 , most incl. the GK2 or 2A pickup >> >> search "roland gr 1" >> >> peace >> >> ps--this unit is GREAT..remember--it's the only 1990s guitar synth that >> lets you tweak LIVE--on the FLY >> >> -resonance >> -reverb, chorus parameters >> -cutoff >> -much more--on each sound.also a built in squencer--which they dumped in >> later models.. >> >> this unit was SRP $1500 in 1992 !!! >> >> LIve Looping!!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - >> Knitactive Soundstage >> http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast >> >> ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS--March /April 2000 tourdates >> at http://www.projectobject.com > > > LIve Looping!!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS--March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 09:07:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10547; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:07:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:07:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000215090412.008c1d10@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:04:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: well put, re gtr synth In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000215011803.00a0b900@pop-server> References: <003a01bf773c$342d7280$2317c8d5@m4998.balcab.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8JSZh2.0.k92.dnLgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I guess the short take is that Ztars are not guitars - they are a new class >of instruments that are familiar enough for guitarists to learn to play in >a short amount of time but they can't really be expected to "play" exactly >like guitars anymore than a clarinet "plays" exactly like a saxophone. >Nothing will stop, you of course, from playing "Stairway" on it using >acoustic guitar samples, but... hey I'd think it would be a waste of money >but then again I'm not you... :) > >PAolo > > thanks paolo..so again..that seems to be the point,no???? well put LIve Looping!!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS--March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 09:13:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12364; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:13:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:13:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:06:23 EST Subject: Re: OT: Yamaha mailing list To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"vDUMs1.0.mc2.BtLgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yamaha DG100-212 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 09:19:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18765; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:19:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:19:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000215091607.008aa4f0@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:16:07 -0500 To: Kim Flint From: andre Subject: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000215000628.008ce810@mail.monmouth.com> <3.0.6.32.20000214093601.008cb730@mail.monmouth.com> <3.0.6.32.20000214003207.008bd100@mail.monmouth.com> <005d01bf769e$05c6fae0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"J3tCi3.0.cI3.yyLgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com kim what's [up with YOU??? interesting that you call MY comments a rant---when hmm.. 15-20 other emails have been parallel to my views...??? interesting too--you have singled ME out for your smei-nasty responses throughout this all-- meanwhile--i notice (unless i snoozed, forgive me)- you have not even responded to the oodles of people in support of using a guitar synth for what it's worth No comment on the several other supporting emails re: using a guitar synth forwhat it's good for,eh??? At 01:38 AM 02/15/2000 -0800, you wrote: >what on earth got into you anyway? One sentence sends you on a 10 mail rant? > >It's just amazing. I remember you did this exact same thing when this topic >came up a few years ago, while I was having a discussion with somebody else >about midi architecture and zipi. you've just got that condescending, "i know it all" vibe sometimes. NOTE:sometimes you are very fun to communicate with.!! You don't bother to understand my point >at all. Instead you go on some tangent accusing me of all sorts of things >that I've never said or thought? Great way to win yourself some friends. > hmmm. i guess that's the way you wanna see it.can't change that >I have spent a huge amount of time working on guitar synths, with some of >the greatest engineers in that field. I could teach you a lot of things >about how they could be phenomenal instruments, again - despite your defensiveness... you don't listen to what I think...i ALREADY think they are phenomenal instruments...!!!! isn't that clear??sheesh. and indeed I've even tried >to tell you about it, about the futures for that instrument that have been >dreamed and even built. thanks, lord kim... but i am well aware of many of the future ideas for guitar synth -i research these as well.. But you don't want to listen. And the result? >you'll never have that phenomenal guitar synth instrument because you are >too busy settling for what you have and not knowing what to ask for. And on >top of it, you're pissing off the people who might create it for you. > who?? You??? LIve Looping!!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS--March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 10:28:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15463; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:28:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:28:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <5a.16605df.25dac8e9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:21:13 EST Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"Crve93.0.VC3.EyMgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, Tomorrow you will try to unzubscribe from this list, but fail for obvious reasons.This prediction was channeled using an non-midi aluminum foil hat which I currently have in development here at Vaporware.com B.Helm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 10:29:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15608; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:29:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:29:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A9EB22.582AF809@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:11:14 -0800 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: (not so OT)very funny non conventional guitar synth application Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vcdbh2.0.6r2.FwMgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been playing with this concept for sometimes make up in you fav seq a one bar, 1/8 notes random prg change message pattern that is destinated to your guit synth loop it play in tempo with the click ROTFL If you plan the sounds a litle more ahead it even can produce some beautiful music its also good to advance the timing of the PCH events a litle to allow your device to be set at the right time Have fun (on se taule ou quoi ?!) (with some heavy swiss french accent) Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 10:38:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18980; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:38:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:38:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006001bf77ca$6c27a5a0$474badce@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , "Kim Flint" References: <3.0.6.32.20000215000628.008ce810@mail.monmouth.com><3.0.6.32.20000214093601.008cb730@mail.monmouth.com><3.0.6.32.20000214003207.008bd100@mail.monmouth.com><005d01bf769e$05c6fae0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <3.0.6.32.20000215091607.008aa4f0@mail.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:36:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"LRqBq1.0.5C4.o6Ngu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In fairness to Kim, who is an asshole of world renown, ;) it is difficult sometimes for a know-it-all to be modest, especially in the midst of so much willful ignorance. Unfortunately, the less sophisticated among us perceive this superiority as condescension. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "andre" To: "Kim Flint" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:16 AM Subject: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth > kim > > > what's [up with YOU??? > > > interesting that you call MY comments a rant---when hmm.. 15-20 other > emails have been parallel to my views...??? > > > interesting too--you have singled ME out for your smei-nasty responses > throughout this all-- > > meanwhile--i notice (unless i snoozed, forgive me)- you have not even > responded to the oodles of people in support of using a guitar synth for > what it's worth > > No comment on the several other supporting emails re: using a guitar synth > forwhat it's good for,eh??? > > > At 01:38 AM 02/15/2000 -0800, you wrote: > >what on earth got into you anyway? One sentence sends you on a 10 mail rant? > > > >It's just amazing. I remember you did this exact same thing when this topic > >came up a few years ago, while I was having a discussion with somebody else > >about midi architecture and zipi. > > > you've just got that condescending, "i know it all" vibe sometimes. > NOTE:sometimes you are very fun to communicate with.!! > > You don't bother to understand my point > >at all. Instead you go on some tangent accusing me of all sorts of things > >that I've never said or thought? Great way to win yourself some friends. > > > > hmmm. i guess that's the way you wanna see it.can't change that > > >I have spent a huge amount of time working on guitar synths, with some of > >the greatest engineers in that field. I could teach you a lot of things > >about how they could be phenomenal instruments, > > > again - despite your defensiveness... you don't listen to what I think...i > ALREADY think they are phenomenal instruments...!!!! isn't that clear??sheesh. > > and indeed I've even tried > >to tell you about it, about the futures for that instrument that have been > >dreamed and even built. > > thanks, lord kim... but i am well aware of many of the future ideas for > guitar synth -i research these as well.. > > But you don't want to listen. And the result? > >you'll never have that phenomenal guitar synth instrument because you are > >too busy settling for what you have and not knowing what to ask for. And on > >top of it, you're pissing off the people who might create it for you. > > > > who?? You??? > LIve Looping!!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - > Knitactive Soundstage > http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast > > ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS--March /April 2000 tourdates > at http://www.projectobject.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 10:41:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19511; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:41:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:41:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000215153500.10007.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.164.62.238] Reply-To: m.lameyer@rcn.com From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:34:59 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"YsXCB3.0.GH4.49Ngu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>I think there was also a guitar (late 1980s) that bounced an ultrasonic >>wave from the bridge up the string, where it reflected off the fret, and >>using this it could work out the note for MIDI info >Seriously, a guitar synth can do some wonderful things. The first >one I had was the now dirt cheap, but a little hard-to-find Yamaha >G10--kinda > looked like a long green pickle with strings. Actually I'm a G10 owner and it always looked like a cross between a steinberger and a dustbuster to me. I believe the Beetle Quantar also had sonar pickups. Here's a good description of midi guitars old and new: http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/mgtr.htm Not to beat this to death or anything, I find midi guitar fascinating and well-disposed to loop music. Different strokes, though. It would be unfortunate, in my mind, to express an opinion on this matter at the expense of another's opinion. I appreciate Kim's contributions to this list as well as others, and it would be a downer to see bad vibes flung around. Peace? Mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 11:24:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08790; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:24:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:24:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003401bf77ce$26114ea0$2317c8d5@m4998.balcab.ch> Reply-To: "Mark Kunzmann" From: "Mark Kunzmann" To: Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:03:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"qdxH63.0.iZ7.WZNgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I was going to explain my comment and maybe tell you all >some of the neat stuff I learned in >guitar/alternate-controller-research-land Kim, I've always wanted to learn more about the Gibson MAX. From what I've heard it was a brilliant system, though I never got to see or play one -- unforunately it didn't last very long. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 11:24:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08824; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:24:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:24:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A97791.ED195F5A@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 07:58:10 -0800 From: George Van Wagner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is References: <3.0.6.32.20000215000240.00a08210@pop-server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wRTTL2.0.qe1.umNgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Before you start crowing about how wonderful the technology is, howzabout you try the AX-100 for yourself fingerstyle? Then, once you have an informed, first hand opinion, not hearsay, maybe you can discuss it. Bass is NOT guitar, as is obvious from what you hear when guitarists attempt to play bass and vice versa (gross generalization, I know, but large elements of truth). Or are you trying to tell me that the product manager at Music Industries, who would have dearly loved to sell me one, told me that it just doesn't do fingerstyle after I had spent a fair amount of time trying to coax performance out of it, didn't know what his product would or wouldn't do? George pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > > At 11:22 AM 2/14/00 -0800, you wrote: > >I checked out the Axon AX-100 at NAMM. If you use a pick, it's probably > >the best choice of what's out there currently, but it can't track > >fingerstyle playing at all, since their technology is based on reading > > The Yamaha G50 uses Axon's neural net technology and the few bass players > I've talked to who have tried it with Yamaha's pickup for bass guitars were > impressed with it (they all play bass fingerstyle). > > Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 11:42:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14188; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:42:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:42:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" To: "'Loopers'" Subject: Favorite tune for Jam Man or any Loop gear... Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:34:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"_rp0W1.0.Iz2.80Ogu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com is absolutely Ravels Bolero, ... for guitar! Just add, add , add, add, add, add... First time I got into a loop machine, I did an instant 4 hour version... however, before each new 32 bar pattern, I tweaked sounds on a Guitar FX box for half an hour before I let it in to the loop.... have fun..:-) mats From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 12:01:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21564; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:01:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:01:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <1c.d9bcaa.25dadf0d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:55:41 EST Subject: Re: guitar synth To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"b0nVt3.0.dk4.LKOgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com John Abercrombie said that when he turned 50 he gave up two things that were bad for his health - smoking and guitar synth From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 12:29:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00545; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:29:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:29:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000215171013.82811.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.124] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:10:11 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"QKs6o.0.Nq6.NYOgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com cut the name calling crap ....remove head from rear end...Om and Out >From: "Larry Tremblay" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: , "Kim Flint" >Subject: Re: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth >Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:36:25 -0500 > >In fairness to Kim, who is an asshole of world renown, ;) >it is difficult sometimes for a know-it-all to be >modest, especially in the midst of so much willful >ignorance. > >Unfortunately, the less sophisticated among us >perceive this superiority as condescension. > >- Larry T > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "andre" >To: "Kim Flint" >Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:16 AM >Subject: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth > > > > kim > > > > > > what's [up with YOU??? > > > > > > interesting that you call MY comments a rant---when hmm.. 15-20 other > > emails have been parallel to my views...??? > > > > > > interesting too--you have singled ME out for your smei-nasty responses > > throughout this all-- > > > > meanwhile--i notice (unless i snoozed, forgive me)- you have not even > > responded to the oodles of people in support of using a guitar synth >for > > what it's worth > > > > No comment on the several other supporting emails re: using a guitar >synth > > forwhat it's good for,eh??? > > > > > > At 01:38 AM 02/15/2000 -0800, you wrote: > > >what on earth got into you anyway? One sentence sends you on a 10 mail >rant? > > > > > >It's just amazing. I remember you did this exact same thing when this >topic > > >came up a few years ago, while I was having a discussion with somebody >else > > >about midi architecture and zipi. > > > > > > you've just got that condescending, "i know it all" vibe sometimes. > > NOTE:sometimes you are very fun to communicate with.!! > > > > You don't bother to understand my point > > >at all. Instead you go on some tangent accusing me of all sorts of >things > > >that I've never said or thought? Great way to win yourself some >friends. > > > > > > > hmmm. i guess that's the way you wanna see it.can't change that > > > > >I have spent a huge amount of time working on guitar synths, with some >of > > >the greatest engineers in that field. I could teach you a lot of things > > >about how they could be phenomenal instruments, > > > > > > again - despite your defensiveness... you don't listen to what I >think...i > > ALREADY think they are phenomenal instruments...!!!! isn't that >clear??sheesh. > > > > and indeed I've even tried > > >to tell you about it, about the futures for that instrument that have >been > > >dreamed and even built. > > > > thanks, lord kim... but i am well aware of many of the future ideas for > > guitar synth -i research these as well.. > > > > But you don't want to listen. And the result? > > >you'll never have that phenomenal guitar synth instrument because you >are > > >too busy settling for what you have and not knowing what to ask for. >And >on > > >top of it, you're pissing off the people who might create it for you. > > > > > > > who?? You??? > > LIve Looping!!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory >- > > Knitactive Soundstage > > http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast > > > > ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS--March /April 2000 >tourdates > > at http://www.projectobject.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 12:44:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08942; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:44:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:44:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:36:29 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, papadave55@hotmail.com Subject: Re: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth Resent-Message-ID: <"tMUdk.0.ej1.bxOgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Larry's just a mouthpiece for Kim... sort of an anti-PR anarchist wing of Kim's mailing list intelligence force! (This info is coming from another well known asshole!) Anonymously yours, -Miko BTW: Where were you Sunday night Mr. Potter!? >>> "David Potter" 02/15 9:27 AM >>> cut the name calling crap ....remove head from rear end...Om and Out >From: "Larry Tremblay" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: , "Kim Flint" >Subject: Re: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth >Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:36:25 -0500 > >In fairness to Kim, who is an asshole of world renown, ;) >it is difficult sometimes for a know-it-all to be >modest, especially in the midst of so much willful >ignorance. > >Unfortunately, the less sophisticated among us >perceive this superiority as condescension. > >- Larry T > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "andre" >To: "Kim Flint" >Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:16 AM >Subject: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth > > > > kim > > > > > > what's [up with YOU??? > > > > > > interesting that you call MY comments a rant---when hmm.. 15-20 other > > emails have been parallel to my views...??? > > > > > > interesting too--you have singled ME out for your smei-nasty responses > > throughout this all-- > > > > meanwhile--i notice (unless i snoozed, forgive me)- you have not even > > responded to the oodles of people in support of using a guitar synth >for > > what it's worth > > > > No comment on the several other supporting emails re: using a guitar >synth > > forwhat it's good for,eh??? > > > > > > At 01:38 AM 02/15/2000 -0800, you wrote: > > >what on earth got into you anyway? One sentence sends you on a 10 mail >rant? > > > > > >It's just amazing. I remember you did this exact same thing when this >topic > > >came up a few years ago, while I was having a discussion with somebody >else > > >about midi architecture and zipi. > > > > > > you've just got that condescending, "i know it all" vibe sometimes. > > NOTE:sometimes you are very fun to communicate with.!! > > > > You don't bother to understand my point > > >at all. Instead you go on some tangent accusing me of all sorts of >things > > >that I've never said or thought? Great way to win yourself some >friends. > > > > > > > hmmm. i guess that's the way you wanna see it.can't change that > > > > >I have spent a huge amount of time working on guitar synths, with some >of > > >the greatest engineers in that field. I could teach you a lot of things > > >about how they could be phenomenal instruments, > > > > > > again - despite your defensiveness... you don't listen to what I >think...i > > ALREADY think they are phenomenal instruments...!!!! isn't that >clear??sheesh. > > > > and indeed I've even tried > > >to tell you about it, about the futures for that instrument that have >been > > >dreamed and even built. > > > > thanks, lord kim... but i am well aware of many of the future ideas for > > guitar synth -i research these as well.. > > > > But you don't want to listen. And the result? > > >you'll never have that phenomenal guitar synth instrument because you >are > > >too busy settling for what you have and not knowing what to ask for. >And >on > > >top of it, you're pissing off the people who might create it for you. > > > > > > > who?? You??? > > LIve Looping!!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory >- > > Knitactive Soundstage > > http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast > > > > ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS--March /April 2000 >tourdates > > at http://www.projectobject.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 13:01:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18211; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:01:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:01:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:55:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"LHV691.0.P_3.qCPgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, the direct cable that is. The triggering from the pads to the "native" unit. Just try to MIDI it from the unit out to any other module, K2500 or other Drum module;-) See/hear if there is zero lag... mats -----Original Message----- From: Alan Barnard [mailto:alan@kiene.com] Sent: den 15 februari 2000 16:43 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is > The major gripe with guitar-synth and "drum synths", are the > triggering speed which is lame if it goes through any MIDI. Any > drummer I know says > they have to learn to play the latency time or lag time. When > you, after a while, turn > back to regular drums, you don't have to adjust. Same with guitarists. > Hi, I have zero lag with the Zendrum/DM5 combo. I've also found the Roland V-Drums to be extremely accurate. Alan. ________________________________ Alan Barnard Digital Drummer/Percussionist e-drums@pacbell.net http://www.kiene.com/epercussion From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 13:21:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29376; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:21:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:21:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ec01bf77e1$1df73370$474badce@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000215171013.82811.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:18:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"8vuA7.0.Qd5.4VPgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I guess you missed the facetious sarcasm. I'll shoot lower next time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Potter" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Re: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth > cut the name calling crap ....remove head from rear end...Om and Out > > > >From: "Larry Tremblay" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: , "Kim Flint" > >Subject: Re: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth > >Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:36:25 -0500 > > > >In fairness to Kim, who is an asshole of world renown, ;) > >it is difficult sometimes for a know-it-all to be > >modest, especially in the midst of so much willful > >ignorance. > > > >Unfortunately, the less sophisticated among us > >perceive this superiority as condescension. > > > >- Larry T > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "andre" > >To: "Kim Flint" > >Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:16 AM > >Subject: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth > > > > > > > kim > > > > > > > > > what's [up with YOU??? > > > > > > > > > interesting that you call MY comments a rant---when hmm.. 15-20 other > > > emails have been parallel to my views...??? > > > > > > > > > interesting too--you have singled ME out for your smei-nasty responses > > > throughout this all-- > > > > > > meanwhile--i notice (unless i snoozed, forgive me)- you have not even > > > responded to the oodles of people in support of using a guitar synth > >for > > > what it's worth > > > > > > No comment on the several other supporting emails re: using a guitar > >synth > > > forwhat it's good for,eh??? > > > > > > > > > At 01:38 AM 02/15/2000 -0800, you wrote: > > > >what on earth got into you anyway? One sentence sends you on a 10 mail > >rant? > > > > > > > >It's just amazing. I remember you did this exact same thing when this > >topic > > > >came up a few years ago, while I was having a discussion with somebody > >else > > > >about midi architecture and zipi. > > > > > > > > > you've just got that condescending, "i know it all" vibe sometimes. > > > NOTE:sometimes you are very fun to communicate with.!! > > > > > > You don't bother to understand my point > > > >at all. Instead you go on some tangent accusing me of all sorts of > >things > > > >that I've never said or thought? Great way to win yourself some > >friends. > > > > > > > > > > hmmm. i guess that's the way you wanna see it.can't change that > > > > > > >I have spent a huge amount of time working on guitar synths, with some > >of > > > >the greatest engineers in that field. I could teach you a lot of things > > > >about how they could be phenomenal instruments, > > > > > > > > > again - despite your defensiveness... you don't listen to what I > >think...i > > > ALREADY think they are phenomenal instruments...!!!! isn't that > >clear??sheesh. > > > > > > and indeed I've even tried > > > >to tell you about it, about the futures for that instrument that have > >been > > > >dreamed and even built. > > > > > > thanks, lord kim... but i am well aware of many of the future ideas for > > > guitar synth -i research these as well.. > > > > > > But you don't want to listen. And the result? > > > >you'll never have that phenomenal guitar synth instrument because you > >are > > > >too busy settling for what you have and not knowing what to ask for. > >And > >on > > > >top of it, you're pissing off the people who might create it for you. > > > > > > > > > > who?? You??? > > > LIve Looping!!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory > >- > > > Knitactive Soundstage > > > http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast > > > > > > ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS--March /April 2000 > >tourdates > > > at http://www.projectobject.com > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 13:38:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02105; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:38:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:38:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:26:14 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ltct@concentric.net Subject: Re: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth Resent-Message-ID: <"LDkjf2.0.Ue7.lgPgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow... sorry Larry! We're having trouble contacting the hit man! You'd better lie low for the next few weeks... Anon(miko)ymously... >>> "Larry Tremblay" 02/15 10:20 AM >>> I guess you missed the facetious sarcasm. I'll shoot lower next time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Potter" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Re: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth > cut the name calling crap ....remove head from rear end...Om and Out > > > >From: "Larry Tremblay" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: , "Kim Flint" > >Subject: Re: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth > >Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:36:25 -0500 > > > >In fairness to Kim, who is an asshole of world renown, ;) > >it is difficult sometimes for a know-it-all to be > >modest, especially in the midst of so much willful > >ignorance. > > > >Unfortunately, the less sophisticated among us > >perceive this superiority as condescension. > > > >- Larry T > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "andre" > >To: "Kim Flint" > >Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:16 AM > >Subject: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth > > > > > > > kim > > > > > > > > > what's [up with YOU??? > > > > > > > > > interesting that you call MY comments a rant---when hmm.. 15-20 other > > > emails have been parallel to my views...??? > > > > > > > > > interesting too--you have singled ME out for your smei-nasty responses > > > throughout this all-- > > > > > > meanwhile--i notice (unless i snoozed, forgive me)- you have not even > > > responded to the oodles of people in support of using a guitar synth > >for > > > what it's worth > > > > > > No comment on the several other supporting emails re: using a guitar > >synth > > > forwhat it's good for,eh??? > > > > > > > > > At 01:38 AM 02/15/2000 -0800, you wrote: > > > >what on earth got into you anyway? One sentence sends you on a 10 mail > >rant? > > > > > > > >It's just amazing. I remember you did this exact same thing when this > >topic > > > >came up a few years ago, while I was having a discussion with somebody > >else > > > >about midi architecture and zipi. > > > > > > > > > you've just got that condescending, "i know it all" vibe sometimes. > > > NOTE:sometimes you are very fun to communicate with.!! > > > > > > You don't bother to understand my point > > > >at all. Instead you go on some tangent accusing me of all sorts of > >things > > > >that I've never said or thought? Great way to win yourself some > >friends. > > > > > > > > > > hmmm. i guess that's the way you wanna see it.can't change that > > > > > > >I have spent a huge amount of time working on guitar synths, with some > >of > > > >the greatest engineers in that field. I could teach you a lot of things > > > >about how they could be phenomenal instruments, > > > > > > > > > again - despite your defensiveness... you don't listen to what I > >think...i > > > ALREADY think they are phenomenal instruments...!!!! isn't that > >clear??sheesh. > > > > > > and indeed I've even tried > > > >to tell you about it, about the futures for that instrument that have > >been > > > >dreamed and even built. > > > > > > thanks, lord kim... but i am well aware of many of the future ideas for > > > guitar synth -i research these as well.. > > > > > > But you don't want to listen. And the result? > > > >you'll never have that phenomenal guitar synth instrument because you > >are > > > >too busy settling for what you have and not knowing what to ask for. > >And > >on > > > >top of it, you're pissing off the people who might create it for you. > > > > > > > > > > who?? You??? > > > LIve Looping!!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory > >- > > > Knitactive Soundstage > > > http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast > > > > > > ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS--March /April 2000 > >tourdates > > > at http://www.projectobject.com > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 14:00:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12563; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:00:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:00:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:51:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: <"K1d9C2.0.vG2.O1Qgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > Andre!....Kim!....To your rooms...NOW! We won't have any more of thischildish bickering! And if you don't stop now there will be no pudding for desert! Oh man I do not even like guitars. :D At 09:16 AM 2/15/00 -0500, you wrote: >kim > > >what's [up with YOU??? > > >interesting that you call MY comments a rant---when hmm.. 15-20 other >emails have been parallel to my views...??? > > >interesting too--you have singled ME out for your smei-nasty responses >throughout this all-- > >meanwhile--i notice (unless i snoozed, forgive me)- you have not even >responded to the oodles of people in support of using a guitar synth for >what it's worth > >No comment on the several other supporting emails re: using a guitar synth >forwhat it's good for,eh??? > > >At 01:38 AM 02/15/2000 -0800, you wrote: >>what on earth got into you anyway? One sentence sends you on a 10 mail rant? >> >>It's just amazing. I remember you did this exact same thing when this topic >>came up a few years ago, while I was having a discussion with somebody else >>about midi architecture and zipi. > > >you've just got that condescending, "i know it all" vibe sometimes. >NOTE:sometimes you are very fun to communicate with.!! > >You don't bother to understand my point >>at all. Instead you go on some tangent accusing me of all sorts of things >>that I've never said or thought? Great way to win yourself some friends. >> > >hmmm. i guess that's the way you wanna see it.can't change that > >>I have spent a huge amount of time working on guitar synths, with some of >>the greatest engineers in that field. I could teach you a lot of things >>about how they could be phenomenal instruments, > > >again - despite your defensiveness... you don't listen to what I think...i >ALREADY think they are phenomenal instruments...!!!! isn't that clear??sheesh. > >and indeed I've even tried >>to tell you about it, about the futures for that instrument that have been >>dreamed and even built. > >thanks, lord kim... but i am well aware of many of the future ideas for >guitar synth -i research these as well.. > >But you don't want to listen. And the result? >>you'll never have that phenomenal guitar synth instrument because you are >>too busy settling for what you have and not knowing what to ask for. And on >>top of it, you're pissing off the people who might create it for you. >> > >who?? You??? >LIve Looping!!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - >Knitactive Soundstage >http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast > >ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS--March /April 2000 tourdates >at http://www.projectobject.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 14:01:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28975; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:56:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:56:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Alan Barnard" To: Subject: RE: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 07:43:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"54yMY2.0.v_6.gRNgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The major gripe with guitar-synth and "drum synths", are the > triggering speed which is lame if it goes through any MIDI. Any > drummer I know says > they have to learn to play the latency time or lag time. When > you, after a while, turn > back to regular drums, you don't have to adjust. Same with guitarists. > Hi, I have zero lag with the Zendrum/DM5 combo. I've also found the Roland V-Drums to be extremely accurate. Alan. ________________________________ Alan Barnard Digital Drummer/Percussionist e-drums@pacbell.net http://www.kiene.com/epercussion From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 15:01:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24979; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:48:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:48:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000215074148.0088ee70@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 07:41:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000215091607.008aa4f0@mail.monmouth.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000215000628.008ce810@mail.monmouth.com> <3.0.6.32.20000214093601.008cb730@mail.monmouth.com> <3.0.6.32.20000214003207.008bd100@mail.monmouth.com> <005d01bf769e$05c6fae0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ySdqk2.0.C85.uINgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andre!....Kim!....To your rooms...NOW! We won't have any more of this childish bickering! And if you don't stop now there will be no pudding for desert! At 09:16 AM 2/15/00 -0500, you wrote: >kim > > >what's [up with YOU??? > > >interesting that you call MY comments a rant---when hmm.. 15-20 other >emails have been parallel to my views...??? > > >interesting too--you have singled ME out for your smei-nasty responses >throughout this all-- > >meanwhile--i notice (unless i snoozed, forgive me)- you have not even >responded to the oodles of people in support of using a guitar synth for >what it's worth > >No comment on the several other supporting emails re: using a guitar synth >forwhat it's good for,eh??? > > >At 01:38 AM 02/15/2000 -0800, you wrote: >>what on earth got into you anyway? One sentence sends you on a 10 mail rant? >> >>It's just amazing. I remember you did this exact same thing when this topic >>came up a few years ago, while I was having a discussion with somebody else >>about midi architecture and zipi. > > >you've just got that condescending, "i know it all" vibe sometimes. >NOTE:sometimes you are very fun to communicate with.!! > >You don't bother to understand my point >>at all. Instead you go on some tangent accusing me of all sorts of things >>that I've never said or thought? Great way to win yourself some friends. >> > >hmmm. i guess that's the way you wanna see it.can't change that > >>I have spent a huge amount of time working on guitar synths, with some of >>the greatest engineers in that field. I could teach you a lot of things >>about how they could be phenomenal instruments, > > >again - despite your defensiveness... you don't listen to what I think...i >ALREADY think they are phenomenal instruments...!!!! isn't that clear??sheesh. > >and indeed I've even tried >>to tell you about it, about the futures for that instrument that have been >>dreamed and even built. > >thanks, lord kim... but i am well aware of many of the future ideas for >guitar synth -i research these as well.. > >But you don't want to listen. And the result? >>you'll never have that phenomenal guitar synth instrument because you are >>too busy settling for what you have and not knowing what to ask for. And on >>top of it, you're pissing off the people who might create it for you. >> > >who?? You??? >LIve Looping!!! Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - >Knitactive Soundstage >http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast > >ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS--March /April 2000 tourdates >at http://www.projectobject.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 15:02:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07612; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:02:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:02:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:36:50 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re: We're stuck in aLOOPre: guitar synth In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"91PQ2.0.Po7.vqQgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:51 AM -0800 2/15/00, magicicada@mindspring.com wrote: >Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: >> Andre!....Kim!....To your rooms...NOW! We won't have any more of >>thischildish bickering! And if you don't stop now there will be no >>pudding for >desert! sorry for that one. It was a private mail which Andre then replied to in public. I'm *definitely* not interested in seeing this go on any more. :-) >Oh man I do not even like guitars. :D I hear ya. the guitars are actually fine, it's just some of the people who play 'em. ;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 15:48:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26037; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:48:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:48:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: <4a.1ad3992.25db1240@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:34:08 EST Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions - stompbox DIY To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"beZfJ2.0.w75.bXRgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey look! I found one of the few letters where actual information was being spread! My only experience with a g-synth came when I was 9 years old. My mother bought me a Unisonic (I think that's what it was called) off of the home shopping network. Did that thing ever suck! Now though I wish I had it back (gone for many years). I think of all the ways it could be put into use with the proper filters and effects. At first I hated it because it was a toy and wasn't what I meant to get when I asked for an electric guitar. Now I would like to see what that horrific thing could be pushed to do. I've heard great music come from pots and pans. If you want to express them selves with these quirky instruments then by all means challenge yourself. I was brought to this forum looking for info on Steve Reich and his tape phase music. I really have nothing to do with guitars but I still enjoy reading positive information. Lets please bring the discussion group back to the spread of knowledge. Living life above the zero crossing, One of the many Peters From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 16:33:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15006; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:33:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:33:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01b401bf77fa$c2d1ec50$474badce@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <4a.1ad3992.25db1240@aol.com> Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions - stompbox DIY Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:22:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"5vmFV.0.nj1.ABSgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Unisonic (I think that's what it was called) The one with the rubber fretboard, right? I forget the name of it too, but it was a truly great piece of crap. A local store was blowing them out for $100 about 8-10 years ago. A friend and I snagged a couple of them, hooked them up to a couple cruddy MIDI boxes (TX81z and FB-01), ran them through the FX, and jammed out some very cool droney, rhythmics for hours on end! I wish I still had mine too. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 3:34 PM Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions - stompbox DIY > Hey look! I found one of the few letters where actual information was being > spread! My only experience with a g-synth came when I was 9 years old. My > mother bought me a Unisonic (I think that's what it was called) off of the > home shopping network. Did that thing ever suck! Now though I wish I had it > back (gone for many years). I think of all the ways it could be put into use > with the proper filters and effects. At first I hated it because it was a toy > and wasn't what I meant to get when I asked for an electric guitar. Now I > would like to see what that horrific thing could be pushed to do. I've heard > great music come from pots and pans. If you want to express them selves with > these quirky instruments then by all means challenge yourself. I was brought > to this forum looking for info on Steve Reich and his tape phase music. I > really have nothing to do with guitars but I still enjoy reading positive > information. Lets please bring the discussion group back to the spread of > knowledge. > > Living life above the zero crossing, > One of the many Peters > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 18:11:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30672; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:11:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:11:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ed01bf7808$48e4f820$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <200002140602.AAA19208@servidor.unam.mx> <3.0.6.32.20000214235923.008bf4f0@mail.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: NewsFlash.....Guitar synth=Guitar Synth and Guitar=Guitar Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:59:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"QZ7UW1.0.w86.KgTgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jeez, I can't help but feel partially responsible for starting all this, as it was my question about guitar synth that opened up this thread... Sorry! I did find a lot of this stuff useful, though- especially Legion's on-line essay about really screwing with a guitar signal. So thanks. And now I'm considering the purchase of a used EH Microsynth. Any opinions? Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 18:37:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14320; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:37:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:37:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:22:33 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, shindler@mediaone.net Subject: Re: NewsFlash.....Guitar synth=Guitar Synth and Guitar=Guitar Resent-Message-ID: <"TCbkx3.0.yE2.Y2Ugu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Jeez, I can't help but feel partially responsible for starting all this, as it was my question about guitar synth that opened up this thread... Sorry! You're entirely responsible... the authorities will be waiting outside your door! It's funny how a simple technical assertion can challenge us so much... It's the same with DAW latency problems... as much as we love to mangle and rearrange sounds with computers, the latency is still crap... Maybe BeOS is going to save us from this, but again, it's just a statement of fact and not meant to spoil anyone's party... > I did find a lot of this stuff useful, though- especially Legion's on-line essay about really screwing with a guitar signal. So thanks. I actually learned a bit more about some items as well. What the heck... > And now I'm considering the purchase of a used EH Microsynth. Any opinions? Peter Yeah... give me back the DFX 94 you bought from me you trouble maker! 8-) (also... check out the Waldorf 4-pole filter) -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 19:08:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31227; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:08:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:08:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000215234541.14050.qmail@web3404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:45:41 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: sherman filterbank (OT) To: looper list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"2T3V72.0.AZ4.5LUgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "But you should check out the new and amazing Sherman Filterbank," - Can anyone contrast/compare the filterbank to the EH microsynth? (sorry if this is a stupid question which reveals the depth of my ignorance) - Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 19:20:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02319; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:20:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:20:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000215191320.00a179e0@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:13:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is In-Reply-To: <38A97791.ED195F5A@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20000215000240.00a08210@pop-server> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ic7Pj1.0.f7.SlUgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 07:58 AM 2/15/00 -0800, you wrote: >Before you start crowing about how wonderful the technology is, >howzabout you try the AX-100 for yourself fingerstyle? Then, once you That is a valid point. I would like to try one for myself, but have not had the opportunity yet. >have an informed, first hand opinion, not hearsay, maybe you can discuss I apologize for not posting from first-hand experience. I exercise greater caution in the future in responding to any further posts from you. Paolo Valladolid P.S. Try to remember it was not I who posted personal attacks against you on this thread. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 21:06:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24315; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:06:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:06:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:00:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200002160200.UAA06369@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: sherman filterbank (OT) Resent-Message-ID: <"Xd7Ie.0.o25.hJWgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just can say this: the EH microsynth is like 5% of what the sherman is, At 03:45 PM 15/02/00 -0800, you wrote: > "But you should check out the new and amazing >Sherman Filterbank," - > >Can anyone contrast/compare the filterbank to the EH >microsynth? (sorry if this is a stupid question which >reveals the depth of my ignorance) - >Aaron >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 21:05:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23083; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:05:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:05:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000215205644.00a1e700@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:56:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is In-Reply-To: <20000215153500.10007.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WKXvg2.0.MS4.bGWgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Not to beat this to death or anything, I find midi guitar fascinating and >well-disposed to loop music. Different strokes, though. It would be >unfortunate, in my mind, to express an opinion on this matter at the expense >of another's opinion. I appreciate Kim's contributions to this list as well >as others, and it would be a downer to see bad vibes flung around. Peace? > >Mike I wholeheartedly concur. Whether any particular technology, be it clay drums, MIDI guitar, etc. is useful is entirely up to each individual musician, because each of us as individuals has his/her own set of goals and interests. Maybe we just need to work a little harder at accepting that not everyone is going to see/feel things exactly the same way. After all, a lot of fights both virtual and physical begin because one's worldview is different from another's. Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 21:31:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08062; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:31:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:31:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200002160226.SAA06674@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is Date: Tue, 15 Feb 00 18:26:28 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: George Van Wagner To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"OWd2o2.0.8L1.VhWgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know that it wasn't, and I didn't mean to sound quite so abrupt. Blame a busy day at work. My sincere apologies if any offense was taken. Don't get me wrong. I love the concept of MIDI guitar. The implementations, thus far, have not been acceptable to me, those last two words being the defining ones. I have no trouble with others struggling with the current spate of controllers and learning to work around their limitations. More power to them. My personal interest is in making music, not in learning the eccentricities of a related, yet vastly different instrument than the one I play, and certainly not in altering the way I work to accomodate technology. Good technology folds itself into your work methods, or at least it should, in my opinion. User interface is always the hardest part of design. George >At 07:58 AM 2/15/00 -0800, you wrote: >>Before you start crowing about how wonderful the technology is, >>howzabout you try the AX-100 for yourself fingerstyle? Then, once you > >That is a valid point. I would like to try one for myself, but have not >had the opportunity yet. > >>have an informed, first hand opinion, not hearsay, maybe you can discuss > >I apologize for not posting from first-hand experience. I exercise greater >caution in the future in responding to any further posts from you. > >Paolo Valladolid > >P.S. Try to remember it was not I who posted personal attacks against you >on this thread. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 21:47:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16326; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:47:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:47:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000215214429.007bcdb0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:44:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: sherman filterbank (OT) In-Reply-To: <200002160200.UAA06369@servidor.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"p8Ryj2.0.dA3.swWgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com And if you like the Sherman, you'll probably also love the Mutator: At 08:00 PM 2/15/00 -0600, you wrote: > > I just can say this: the EH microsynth is like 5% of what the sherman is, > > > >At 03:45 PM 15/02/00 -0800, you wrote: >> "But you should check out the new and amazing >>Sherman Filterbank," - >> >>Can anyone contrast/compare the filterbank to the EH >>microsynth? (sorry if this is a stupid question which >>reveals the depth of my ignorance) - >>Aaron >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >>http://im.yahoo.com >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 22:07:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30243; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:07:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:07:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: <50.1a57a65.25db66ca@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:34:50 EST Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 Resent-Message-ID: <"rbFfL2.0.FV2.jpWgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So what's the best string gauge to use with one? :) -jack From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 22:19:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02500; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:19:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:19:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005001bf782b$b8aaee80$3790f5ce@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:12:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"tOijP3.0.4-7.pNXgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: George Van Wagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, February 14, 2000 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is >Gotta agree with Kim here, given that the ideal MIDI guitar control >would be one that feels and behaves like a guitar, but give MIDI output. >After all, keyboard players don't have to relearn how to play the >instrument just to play synths, and neither should guitar players. I can't agree with this statement because even keyboard players must learn a different playing technique for each class of sounds a synth makes. Most players ignore this and sound like keyboard players no matter what sound the synth produces. Each brass, woodwind, string, and percussion instrument has its own set of characteristics to which a synthesist must adjust their playing technique. This becomes less obvious and perhaps less neccessary for non-emulative sounds. To ignore a (well programmed) synth patch's characteristics vis a vis your playing technique is to miss out on its individuality. I do not recommend trying to play a saxophone sound from a keyboard, MIDI guitar, or even a wind controller, not without understanding a saxophone's idiosyncrasies. And even then, without deep programming with lots of hooks into real-time controls of many sound characteristics, you'll fall short of the real McCoy. Just my $0.02 worth. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org ============================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 22:55:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26135; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:55:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:55:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:41:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: The Sherman Filterbank Resent-Message-ID: <"9E73O.0.9m4.ptXgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's is a great unit, but pricey. Fortunately I picked up mine used. We use it all the time in our work in Fingerpaint to color synth patches or grunge up digital effects. Originally the makers in Belgium would send you a cassette tape of sounds and melody lines before and after the Filterbank was applied to give you an idea of it's qualities. I do not know if they still do this but I have included their web site. The home of the Sherman Filterbank complete with a copy of the Abuser's Manual is at: http://www.ping.be/sherman/ To buy a Filterbank in the USA try: But be ready to cough up $800... http://www.en-port.com/ For more info go to: http://www.t-v.nl/sherman/numbers.htm http://www.eurosynthusa.com/sherman.html http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/sherman.html Sound on Sound also do an extensive review a while back which is very useful if you pick one of these beasts up. Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 22:54:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25243; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:54:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:54:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000216034642.54429.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.41] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:46:41 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"rRkR8.0.th4.2tXgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's all good! Respect the diversity. I love to loop with a mike and a pan with water sloshing around in it while I hit the pan with a stick. Great sounds. Anything goes... everything can lead to a meaningful artful experience. I love hearing all the ways people make sound. We have a great resource to learn from each other and to take our art to unexplored places. Take the best and leave the rest. Om and Out .........papadave >From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is >Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:56:44 -0500 > > >Not to beat this to death or anything, I find midi guitar fascinating and > >well-disposed to loop music. Different strokes, though. It would be > >unfortunate, in my mind, to express an opinion on this matter at the >expense > >of another's opinion. I appreciate Kim's contributions to this list as >well > >as others, and it would be a downer to see bad vibes flung around. >Peace? > > > >Mike > >I wholeheartedly concur. Whether any particular technology, be it clay >drums, MIDI guitar, etc. is useful is entirely up to each individual >musician, because each of us as individuals has his/her own set of goals >and interests. Maybe we just need to work a little harder at accepting >that not everyone is going to see/feel things exactly the same way. After >all, a lot of fights both virtual and physical begin because one's >worldview is different from another's. > >Paolo > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 15 23:02:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29962; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:02:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:02:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000215225605.00a207c0@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:56:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IgVPK.0.yl6.L0Ygu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hitting a pad, or striking a string, the sound have to come off right on, not 5 ms late, >not 5 ms early, but dead on. That's the problem with all Pitch-to-MIDI conversion today. > >/mats [snip] >these traditional instruments for a Zendrum. It has taken two years of A point of clarification. The Zendrum does not use pitch-to-MIDI conversion. It is a MIDI keyboard controller for percussionists just like the Ztar is a MIDI "keyboard" for guitarists. Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 00:55:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28381; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 00:55:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 00:55:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1Jr1 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:49:39 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Live streaming show tomorrow Resent-Message-ID: <"L8BFx.0.Lc5.0gZgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, This is our Netcast live info. "bottom awareness" 17th Feb AM6:00 GMT music with practice in creative dancers from Japan also,opening act: synth solo performance (use only Doepfer modules) 17th Feb AM4:30 GMT Visit to: http://www.cavestudio.org/ba/ note: Real Player 5.0 or greater and over 28.8k connection required. Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 02:32:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00828; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 02:32:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 02:32:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Akai Headrush review Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:24:53 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <01d501bec18f$64a26140$2b2310ac@Douglas> Resent-Message-ID: <"aOd2M.0.8m7.K4bgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com | options) will be put through it's paces by a dedicated loophead. You meant "...will be put through its paces by..." Looking forward to reading the review... | -----Original Message----- | From: K. Douglas Baldwin [mailto:dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us] | Sent: Monday 28 June 1999 10:55 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com | Subject: Akai Headrush review | | -This is way behind the curve, but I thought you'd all like to | know that the | Akai Headrush (and other Akai pedals) will finally be reviewed | in "Guitar" | magazine (the U.S. publication formerly known as "Guitar for | the Practicing | Musician") by yours truly. There were so many postings about a month ago | (which I have kept for reference) that I'm sure more was | covered then than | can fit in a relatively short magazine review. But rest assured | it (and the | other pedals, which look very interesting, with lots of "expression" | options) will be put through it's paces by a dedicated loophead. | Any updates on use, problems to look for, etc. will be appreciated. | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 03:50:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29041; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 03:50:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 03:50:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38AA72B4.8F3A54B5@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:50:49 +0000 From: Olivier Malhomme X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:OH NO! Fizmo again!!! References: <200002141717.MAA16952@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mj74z3.0.ak6.LEcgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes. I am sorry to insist. Recent threads about Fizmo led me unabvle ti find anything with convetionnal search engines. I am trying to find desperatly one of these in the $200-400 range. But I couldn't find any, at any price range. Since I live in europe, i'm not going to test all mars/guiatr center phone line. Any help, address, would be greatly appreciated... Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 03:52:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29148; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 03:52:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 03:52:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38AA71E2.1BB29382@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:47:19 +0000 From: Olivier Malhomme X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:guitar synth References: <200002141717.MAA16952@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TrE2V2.0._Q6.2Bcgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "tweak sounds. Skip the sample triggering thing if you are doing your own >custom sounds and not trying to sound like a bad timpani or saxophone >player, you'll be much happier! see-- this is your, and other people's constant mistake--- i for one , use sounds like that 1% of the time !! it's not what works well.... guitar synth is PERFECT for setting up aquick bassline loop..or just getting a nice cloudy JX-3p or oberheim pad behind some guitar loops..... Here we go agaiin indeed.... Not to mention that comparing a cello line played on a guitar and played on a keyboard is going to make you laugh. Guitar is the perfect controller for strings and woodwinds (to me). And yest, most of thge time I also don't use poor sax samples to make my solo "fly". I'd rather use a good Rhodes bank :-) Olivier From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 06:58:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04616; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:58:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:58:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie Subject: david torn stuff To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:49:29 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2a (Intl)|23 November 1999) at 16/02/2000 10:49:32 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"ShDiz3.0.3F2.f3egu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, Just to let you all know, there is now a DT club over @ Yahoo http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/davidtorncell And there is a link to this, and to an abridged interview with DT about eMagic @ http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf ATB, John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 07:34:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17863; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:34:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:34:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38AA9633.63FC443B@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 04:22:45 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is References: <20000216034642.54429.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tE0DJ1.0.GS2.qMfgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Potter wrote: > It's all good! Respect the diversity. I love to loop with a mike and a pan > with water sloshing around in it while I hit the pan with a stick. Great > sounds. best part is no tracking problems w/ the right stick... *but seriously* its (it's) good to see a positive addition to this thread. lance g. ps i've got major leaks in my bldg. due to heavy rains. lotsa water sloshing around in pans. got one looping now :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 09:22:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26985; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:22:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:22:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" To: "'Loopers'" Subject: RackPack BackPack? Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:13:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"EFCEt2.0.th5.y1hgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is there anyone who knows of any manuufacturer who makes a soft case which you can pack your racks in (2 units high) with straps on, to put it on your back? I need it for my Lexicon Jam Man and Oberheim Echoplex. You should be able to "run" them from there. I e, just unzipping the front and back, plug in and then have a go. regards Mats From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 09:55:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11920; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:55:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:55:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003001bf788c$c5050ba0$2d4badce@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <200002141717.MAA16952@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <38AA72B4.8F3A54B5@vete.ucl.ac.be> Subject: Re: Re:OH NO! Fizmo again!!! Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:47:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Qk7rW1.0.T31.0Vhgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Try Musicians Friend. www.musiciansfriend.com They advertised them at blow-out prices last month. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olivier Malhomme" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 4:50 AM Subject: Re:OH NO! Fizmo again!!! > Yes. I am sorry to insist. Recent threads about Fizmo led me unabvle ti > find anything with convetionnal search engines. > I am trying to find desperatly one of these in the $200-400 range. But I > couldn't find any, at any price range. > > Since I live in europe, i'm not going to test all mars/guiatr center > phone line. > Any help, address, would be greatly appreciated... > > > Olivier Malhomme > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 11:07:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10599; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:07:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:07:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:00:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"LtjPg2.0.m52.Ucigu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Given the vast sonic possibilities of the synth today, a keyboard seems the least expressive controller. It is just the easiest to build, technically. Keyboardist could never before BEND PITCH. Guitarists could. /mats -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:hartne.t@apple.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 4:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is I'd have to strongly disagree. The other day I used a guitar synth that sounded horrible if I played more than one note at a time (unless I played fifths or octaves), greatly decreased my available dynamics and also required that I carefully mute my not-played strings to prevent it from producing a horrible squalling sound all by itself. Oh wait, that was a distortion box... TH > >> Gotta agree with Kim here, given that the ideal MIDI guitar control >> would be one that feels and behaves like a guitar, but give MIDI output. >> After all, keyboard players don't have to relearn how to play the >> instrument just to play synths, and neither should guitar players. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 11:02:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08775; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:02:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:02:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:54:42 -0600 Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005001bf782b$b8aaee80$3790f5ce@-> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"R0whN3.0.1a1.7Xigu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd have to strongly disagree. The other day I used a guitar synth that sounded horrible if I played more than one note at a time (unless I played fifths or octaves), greatly decreased my available dynamics and also required that I carefully mute my not-played strings to prevent it from producing a horrible squalling sound all by itself. Oh wait, that was a distortion box... TH > >> Gotta agree with Kim here, given that the ideal MIDI guitar control >> would be one that feels and behaves like a guitar, but give MIDI output. >> After all, keyboard players don't have to relearn how to play the >> instrument just to play synths, and neither should guitar players. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 12:06:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04856; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:06:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:06:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:57:15 -0500 From: Fred Hageneder Subject: Re: Re:OH NO! Fizmo again!!! Sender: Fred Hageneder To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <200002161157_MC2-9972-7A0A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id LAA02341 Resent-Message-ID: <"r_ngo3.0.ra.6Sjgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for your quick reply. You made my day! Love Fred the Harp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 12:06:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04857; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:06:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:06:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:28:29 -0600 Subject: [Keyboard controllers] was Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Wrnka1.0.KQ6.1Ejgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A standard on/off organ-style keyboard controller, yes. But the addition of aftertouch along with all the mod wheels/pads/pedals adds an enviable number of controls. And there used to be this wonderful keyboard that would also let you wiggle each key from side to side and map that to what ever you wanted, giving you two aftertouch inputs on each independent held note. I wish manufacturers had embraced that wonderful idea. TH > Given the vast sonic possibilities of the synth today, > a keyboard seems the least expressive controller. It is just the > easiest to build, technically. Keyboardist could never before BEND PITCH. > Guitarists could. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 12:21:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09786; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:21:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:21:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <16.12079bb.25dc3387@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:08:23 EST Subject: Re: guitar synths are yucky anyway To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"0gYLL3.0.iW1.mcjgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Look, I'm a propellerhead just like anyone else on this list, I mean, I have more boxes than I use. But my judgment is that most MIDI patches I've heard could stay on the New Age CDs they came in on. And I wouldn't want my guitar to sound like that. Mostly I want my guitar to sound somewhat guitar-like, even if it's a guitar that's been wrapped around a Calder mobile. The original guitar-ness is in there somewhere. I have no plans to go MIDI when I can get equally arousing results from, say, an envelope filter (maybe a manila one), a bunch of distortion, harmonizing, reverb (ketchup), and some nice tube warmth, for instance. Besides, if I went with the guitar synth sound, someone might mistake me for Pat Metheny, and I don't know if I can be psychotic enough to live up to the role. k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 13:18:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04373; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:18:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:18:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DF1E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:05:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"sKbXA2.0.-s7.HSkgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, Well, I think it 's a cool idea. But can really make a mess of things as well. John Abercrombie was on the radio, what a great guitarist. Anyway, he was doing guit synth stuff during the 80's but gave it up because he said he got away from playing actual guitar. Man, I remember buying holdsworth records and was always dissapointed to hear most of it being this crusty guitar synth with weak samples and very little regular guitar sounds in the eighties as well. Of course a guitar player friend of mine heard some guitar synth stuff and said "man, sounds like freakin' nintendo".my .02 cents Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 13:34:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12950; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:34:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:34:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38AAE9F6.590201E8@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:18:30 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Sherman Filterbank References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zKFQC3.0.na2.blkgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com oh a-a-a-and i f-f-forgot to ask: can you save the various parameter values (presets) via midi? l8ter, rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 13:28:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10785; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:28:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:28:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38AAE83B.5FC15BE4@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:11:07 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Sherman Filterbank References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Qrw5w2.0.281.4fkgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello patrick, i'm thinking seriously about getting a sherman for processing my stuff (loops of course). i have a few questions for ya or any other experts out there (andy?): - does it process stereo or more? - does it have a wet/dry control? - can the vcf's be controlled by midi clock - is it noisy? - can you compare it to the mam warp or the electrix filter factory? thanks! rob ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -the man cable- http://themancable.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Patrick Smith schrieb: > > > It's is a great unit, but pricey. Fortunately I picked up mine used. We use > it all the time in our work in Fingerpaint to color synth patches or grunge > up digital effects. Originally the makers in Belgium would send you a > cassette tape of sounds and melody lines before and after the Filterbank > was applied to give you an idea of it's qualities. I do not know if they > still do this but I have included their web site. > > The home of the Sherman Filterbank complete with a copy of the Abuser's > Manual is at: > > http://www.ping.be/sherman/ > > To buy a Filterbank in the USA try: > But be ready to cough up $800... > http://www.en-port.com/ > > For more info go to: > > http://www.t-v.nl/sherman/numbers.htm > > http://www.eurosynthusa.com/sherman.html > > http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/sherman.html > > Sound on Sound also do an extensive review a while back which is very > useful if you pick one of these beasts up. > > Patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 15:21:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26365; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:21:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:21:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:37:55 -0600 Message-ID: <01bf78b5$526dbb40$c3114f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ymvj42.0.o25.G8mgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My inbox has been jammed for the past two-three days with many folks weighing on in the guitar/synth idea and or/question, not that I feel it should be a question. Play what you must, I say....anyways, i'm specifically responding because I feel that if the music is being listened and/or made, it should be appreciated for just that. As usual, someone tells us that Holdsworth had the wrong idea when he played the Synthaxe,...jeez do you now what went into the making of any of those instruments, or what he went through to acquire one of them. Allan genuinely loves music and makes music, he wasn't trying to make guitar-synth sounds,...basically it's the labels that kill us, that make it really hard to even want to try to do anything, let's stop the slagging when it comes to who decides to play what, where and for how long. If you didn't dig it, someone else will. If no one digs it, at least someone TRIED to create,...and isn't that what we're all after...? -----Original Message----- From: Taaffe, Denis G To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is > >Hi, > > Well, I think it 's a cool idea. But can really make a mess of >things as well. John Abercrombie was on the radio, what a great guitarist. >Anyway, he was doing guit synth stuff during the 80's but gave it up because >he said he got away from playing actual guitar. Man, I remember buying >holdsworth records and was always dissapointed to hear most of it being this >crusty guitar synth with weak samples and very little regular guitar sounds >in the eighties as well. Of course a guitar player friend of mine heard some >guitar synth stuff and said "man, sounds like freakin' nintendo".my .02 >cents >Thanks >Denis > >Denis Taaffe >denis_aliengtr@geocities.com >http://www.dtguitar.com > >-- > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 15:13:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24304; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:13:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:13:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: tcweller@lucid.spiraco.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38AAE83B.5FC15BE4@compuserve.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:57:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Travis Weller Subject: Re: The Sherman Filterbank Resent-Message-ID: <"pAMoj1.0.ES3.l0mgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >hello patrick, i'm thinking seriously about getting a sherman for >processing my stuff (loops of course). >i have a few questions for ya or any other experts out there (andy?): > >- does it process stereo or more? no. there is only one input. it does have two output channels though. it looks like mr. gillis has just released a much bigger box which would fall into the "or more" category. its called the "Sherman Quad Modular Filter" and looks like four filterbanks bolted together in a modular synth style casing. more info on the web site. scary looking stuff. >- does it have a wet/dry control? yes. >- can the vcf's be controlled by midi clock no, but you can trigger the envelope with midi note ons or control the vcfs with a continuous controller. >can you save the various parameter values (presets) via midi? nope. >- is it noisy? yes. very, very noisy. you can actually download the entire manual in pdf format from the web site: -travis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 16:06:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17984; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:06:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:06:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41301D3@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:43:55 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"ZNXrX.0.5V1.Tnmgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com pedro said: basically it's the labels that kill us, that make it really hard to even want to try to do anything, let's stop the slagging when it comes to who decides to play what, where and for how long. If you didn't dig it, someone else will. If no one digs it, at least someone TRIED to create,...and isn't that what we're all after...? i say: well said stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 16:06:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17491; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:06:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:06:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <38AAE83B.5FC15BE4@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:47:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: The Sherman Filterbank Resent-Message-ID: <"VU40e3.0.7W1.tnmgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>- is it noisy? > >yes. very, very noisy. > That't too bad! It was sounding so good up to this point....can you elaborate on the noise? THanks! - chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 16:13:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19887; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:13:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:13:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41301D4@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Subject: saturday night gig Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:04:22 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"gO96r.0.IN4.B5ngu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.cryptogramophone.com/ear/schedule.html Bone Structure G.E. Stinson - electric guitars Jeff Gauthier - electric violin Steuart Liebig - electric bass Gregg Bendian - drums Michael Vlatkovitch Trio Michael Vlatkovitch - trombones Bruce Fowler - trombones Chris Garcia - drums Saturday February 19 8:00 PM admission $10.00 at the door Conjunctive Points 3631 Hayden Ave. Culver City 310-301-1611 for info From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 16:11:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19571; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:11:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:11:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001601bf78be$fec8b8f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: question re: EDP Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:47:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"sY7eD3.0.5u1.nsmgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, I'm directing this question to you. Anybody else, please chime in as you wish. Just don't say another word about guitar synthesizers! :) I'm connecting my EDPs and my Kyma system, attempting some sort of integration. I want to build-up a loop on the EDP and capture it in the Kyma. Basically, I need the Kyma to "read" the BeatSync output so it can determine when a loop starts/ends. Is there a MIDI signal produced analogous to the BeatSync? My alternative is to use the BeatSync output to generate a MIDI event via a box like the PC-1600x, I suppose. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 16:28:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24958; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:28:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:28:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005e01bf78c4$1ef10ba0$504badce@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <38AAE83B.5FC15BE4@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: The Sherman Filterbank Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:23:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"8UIhC2.0.cM5.RIngu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Like unearthly, f*cked up noise, in a good way (I think) - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Chovit" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 3:47 PM Subject: Re: The Sherman Filterbank > > >>- is it noisy? > > > >yes. very, very noisy. > > > > That't too bad! It was sounding so good up to this point....can you > elaborate on the noise? THanks! > > - chris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 16:58:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05722; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:58:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:58:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: tcweller@lucid.spiraco.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <38AAE83B.5FC15BE4@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:42:13 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Travis Weller Subject: Re: The Sherman Filterbank Resent-Message-ID: <"Mhd-Y2.0.xw7.WZngu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>>- is it noisy? >>yes. very, very noisy. >That't too bad! It was sounding so good up to this point....can you >elaborate on the noise? THanks! well it is a bit difficult to describe noise in email, but i'll try. for one, by nature, the filterbank is 'gritty'. the manual even quotes it as having a "tube sound overdrive" effect in addition to the filter. its not your usual straight digital subtractive synthesis. don't get me wrong, i REALLY love my sherman filterbank. i ordered it over two years ago directly from mr. gillis before he had any u.s. distributors and ever since, its my favorite piece of gear (besides my violin, of course). as you may expect from an analog device it does have some quirks here and there. i often hear noise from it when there is no source signal. there are also ways to create random high pitches with it by tweaking out the resonance and the lfo. i've even created huge sonic textures using only the sherman and an edp feeding back on eachother... with no additional sound source. its a highly experimental and hands-on instrument with a personality all its own. it _isn't_ a pristine, low noise floor studio rack effect that you would expect to use for eq. hope the answer to this question didn't turn too much into a review... i just didn't want anyone to think i was being critical. it is very very noisy, but in my subjective opinion, its all GOOD noise. -travis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 20:58:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06968; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:58:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:58:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001701bf78e9$e671e440$0525fed8@swirlee.speakeasy.org> From: "Jan P" To: Subject: Re: guitar synths are yucky anyway Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:54:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"SPTkd2.0.Np.AIrgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com to me, this keyboard guitar feud is a classic difference in channeling style.. whereas keyed instruments offer a more linear translation from inner galactic transmissions to pitch, guitar offers the expressiveness found in direct contact between the musical excitor [string] and the controller. i am in the early stages of designing a custom instrument to overcome these limitations.. the instrument uses contact mics sandwiches with force-sensing resistors as keys-- the hand/mallet/whateveryouwant is in direct contact with the audio surface-- and the sound of the contact between the finger and the key is used as an excitor for various configurable audio processes-- for example, a karplus-strong string resonator or a modal synth... the point is, the instrument becomes a signalprocessor, not just a signal generator/// and so we have a signal path that resembles both the tone generating capabilities of the synth and the tone altering characteristics of electronified guitar.... spanned across keysurfaces, instead of strings... i am thinking of writing up a proposal for support from STEIM in amsterdam.. thoughtforms welcome pls jan -----Original Message----- From: KB305@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 10:03 AM Subject: Re: guitar synths are yucky anyway >Look, I'm a propellerhead just like anyone else on this list, I mean, I have >more boxes than I use. > >But my judgment is that most MIDI patches I've heard could stay on the New >Age CDs they came in on. And I wouldn't want my guitar to sound like that. > >Mostly I want my guitar to sound somewhat guitar-like, even if it's a guitar >that's been wrapped around a Calder mobile. The original guitar-ness is in >there somewhere. I have no plans to go MIDI when I can get equally arousing >results from, say, an envelope filter (maybe a manila one), a bunch of >distortion, harmonizing, reverb (ketchup), and some nice tube warmth, for >instance. > >Besides, if I went with the guitar synth sound, someone might mistake me for >Pat Metheny, and I don't know if I can be psychotic enough to live up to the >role. > >k > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 20:52:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01597; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:52:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:52:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801bf78e8$5f859900$0525fed8@swirlee.speakeasy.org> From: "Jan P" To: Subject: this is the box where i live Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:37:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"cO3JQ.0.TV7.x7rgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: George Van Wagner To: Loopers-Delight Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is >I know that it wasn't, and I didn't mean to sound quite so abrupt. Blame >a busy day at work. My sincere apologies if any offense was taken. > >Don't get me wrong. I love the concept of MIDI guitar. The >implementations, thus far, have not been acceptable to me, those last two >words being the defining ones. I have no trouble with others struggling >with the current spate of controllers and learning to work around their >limitations. More power to them. My personal interest is in making music, >not in learning the eccentricities of a related, yet vastly different >instrument than the one I play, and certainly not in altering the way I >work to accomodate technology. Good technology folds itself into your >work methods, or at least it should, in my opinion. User interface is >always the hardest part of design. re: technology '...and we can be bothered.' -Roger Waters, Pink Floyd Live from Pompei -jan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 21:08:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10421; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:08:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:08:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006a01bf78eb$21856060$0525fed8@swirlee.speakeasy.org> From: "Jan P" To: Subject: Re: Live streaming show tomorrow Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:03:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"zbQgd3.0.Lt1.QQrgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey, nice salad of cables n stuff jan -----Original Message----- From: Sunao Inami To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 10:03 AM Subject: Live streaming show tomorrow >Hi, > >This is our Netcast live info. > >"bottom awareness" >17th Feb >AM6:00 GMT >music with practice in creative dancers from Japan > >also,opening act: >synth solo performance (use only Doepfer modules) >17th Feb >AM4:30 GMT > >Visit to: >http://www.cavestudio.org/ba/ > >note: >Real Player 5.0 or greater and over 28.8k connection required. > > Regards > > Sunao Inami >http://www.cavestudio.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 23:46:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14557; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:46:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:46:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000216234115.00a29bf0@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:41:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Dido in concert Cc: phv40@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6iGqU1.0.W63.cmtgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just caught Dido's live act. To be frank, I had no idea who she was until I found out it is she who sings the theme to Roswell (an American TV show which I don't watch). Heck I didn't even know it was the theme to Roswell - I thought it was the group Massive Attack (dug the CD my friend lent to me and the song was kind of in that vibe). Good show, excellent stage presence on Dido's part. The main point of relevance to this list is that somebody in the band turned out to be a realtime looper. AND IT WASN'T THE GUITAR PLAYER OR THE DJ!!! :) :) :) It was the percussionist! He most noticeably used it in a couple of songs. One song he began with a shaker riff, looped it, then struck a couple of little sticks, looped that, then started looping the djembe that he had strapped on all show long. For another song, he set up a djembe loop, then took off on a djembe solo, looping bits of the solo as he went along a la Bill Frisell. Between this dude and the DJ, I hardly noticed that a trap kit drummer was not in the band. Cheers, Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 16 23:48:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14829; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:48:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:48:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000216232602.00a23820@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:26:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is In-Reply-To: <200002160226.SAA06674@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zGNxQ.0.uy1.OYtgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 06:26 PM 2/15/00 -0800, you wrote: >I know that it wasn't, and I didn't mean to sound quite so abrupt. Blame >a busy day at work. My sincere apologies if any offense was taken. We're cool, then. :) >Don't get me wrong. I love the concept of MIDI guitar. The >implementations, thus far, have not been acceptable to me, those last two >words being the defining ones. I have no trouble with others struggling >with the current spate of controllers and learning to work around their >limitations. More power to them. My personal interest is in making music, >not in learning the eccentricities of a related, yet vastly different >instrument than the one I play, and certainly not in altering the way I >work to accomodate technology. Good technology folds itself into your >work methods, or at least it should, in my opinion. User interface is >always the hardest part of design. I think a good place for MIDI guitar manufacturers to start is to add a few more knobs - especially ones for string sensitivity. My old Roland GR300 had the right idea... but they put the sensitivity knobs INSIDE the guitar cavity so I had to pull out a screwdriver if I wanted to fudge with the sensitivity settings. Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 00:11:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24121; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:11:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:11:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <047501bf7902$d3c40e40$c1f41fd0@gto2> From: "Gary Osborne" To: Subject: Sustainiac Sustainer Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:50:04 -0500 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0465_01BF78D8.8B991E00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"5RB85.0.024.1xtgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0465_01BF78D8.8B991E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's a new guitar instrumental CD just released by an Artist that = uses the Sustainiac Sustainer. His name is Troy Stetina. The CD is = called Exottica. The full song "Freakshow" (opening track of Exottica) is posted and = available for free download on MP3.com. Please check it out at = http://www.mp3.com/stetina. Troy uses a Jackson guitar with a Sustainiac sustainer installed inside. = It provides feedback and infinite sustain. Troy keeps the sustainer = turned on all the time - even when he's not sustaining notes. It helps = him get a "live" sound since Exottica was recorded direct to PC at his = home studio. Troy is an awesome player/songwriter - in the same league as Satriani, = Steve Vai, and Eric Johnson. Troy's played all the bass parts too and BTW, there's a Sustainiac = Sustainer available for electric bass. And... There's an acoustic sustainer available for other instruments too. Hope you like Exottica and the Sustainiac sustainer! Gary Osborne maniac@netdirect.net www.modrock.com =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0465_01BF78D8.8B991E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's a new guitar instrumental CD just released = by an=20 Artist that uses the Sustainiac Sustainer. His name is Troy Stetina. The = CD is=20 called Exottica.
 
The full song "Freakshow" (opening track of = Exottica) is=20 posted and available for free download on MP3.com. Please check it out = at http://www.mp3.com/stetina.
 
Troy uses a Jackson guitar with a Sustainiac = sustainer=20 installed inside. It provides feedback and infinite sustain. Troy keeps = the=20 sustainer turned on all the time - even when he's not sustaining notes. = It helps=20 him get a "live" sound since Exottica was recorded direct to PC at = his =20 home studio.
 
Troy is an awesome player/songwriter - in the same = league as=20 Satriani, Steve Vai, and Eric Johnson.
 
Troy's played all the bass parts too and BTW, = there's a=20 Sustainiac Sustainer available for electric bass.
 
And...
 
There's an acoustic sustainer available for other = instruments=20 too.
 
Hope you like Exottica and the Sustainiac=20 sustainer!
 
Gary Osborne
maniac@netdirect.net
www.modrock.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
------=_NextPart_000_0465_01BF78D8.8B991E00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 00:43:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06251; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:43:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:43:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200002170522.VAA23765@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is Date: Wed, 16 Feb 00 21:22:27 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: George Van Wagner To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"KmQw_1.0.6C7.QMugu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My IVL PItchrider (for which I'm seeking a replacement pickup if anybody out there has one) has fairly good sensitivity adjustment, and works as well for fingerstyle as any other system I've tried (which is to say, not very), but it's never been something that I would be comfortable using in performance since it's just too glitchy. George >At 06:26 PM 2/15/00 -0800, you wrote: >>I know that it wasn't, and I didn't mean to sound quite so abrupt. Blame >>a busy day at work. My sincere apologies if any offense was taken. > >We're cool, then. :) > >>Don't get me wrong. I love the concept of MIDI guitar. The >>implementations, thus far, have not been acceptable to me, those last two >>words being the defining ones. I have no trouble with others struggling >>with the current spate of controllers and learning to work around their >>limitations. More power to them. My personal interest is in making music, >>not in learning the eccentricities of a related, yet vastly different >>instrument than the one I play, and certainly not in altering the way I >>work to accomodate technology. Good technology folds itself into your >>work methods, or at least it should, in my opinion. User interface is >>always the hardest part of design. > >I think a good place for MIDI guitar manufacturers to start is to add a few >more knobs - especially ones for string sensitivity. My old Roland GR300 >had the right idea... but they put the sensitivity knobs INSIDE the guitar >cavity so I had to pull out a screwdriver if I wanted to fudge with the >sensitivity settings. > >Paolo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 01:11:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14468; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:11:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:11:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jmash789@cs.com Message-ID: <86.d257d5.25dcea29@cs.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:07:37 EST Subject: Looper's Delight websight To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 23 Resent-Message-ID: <"E3bdu.0.JC3.F1vgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello. Not sure if this has been noticed or mentioned or matters, but the latest issue of Keyboard has a mention of the Looper's web-site on page 14. Thought that was pretty cool. good issue too. Also, Is Keenan Lawler still on the list? If so, please email me, I've been trying to get in touch. thanks, J Mash {exper:mental music director wmts 88.3} Nashville From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 01:41:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23259; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:41:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:41:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000401bf790f$ba5890e0$71f538cb@oemcomputer> From: "Steven Woods" To: References: <86.d257d5.25dcea29@cs.com> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight websight Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:25:02 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"yjjqp.0.wJ4.BEvgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for telling us Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 5:07 PM Subject: Looper's Delight websight > Hello. Not sure if this has been noticed or mentioned or matters, but the > latest issue of Keyboard has a mention of the Looper's web-site on page 14. > Thought that was pretty cool. good issue too. > Also, > Is Keenan Lawler still on the list? If so, please email me, I've been trying > to get in touch. thanks, > J Mash > {exper:mental > music director > wmts 88.3} > Nashville > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 03:55:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13424; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 03:55:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 03:55:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: [Keyboard controllers] was Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leav e it ) for what it is Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:51:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"nhsW_1.0.c52.NQxgu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Agree Travis! That the keyboard itself could be built with incorporated features, beyond aftertouch and velocity techniques. The wiggling from side to side is a perfect example, as I always found mod wheel vibrato boring ( I think that Yamaha had it on their organ YC45 and CS-80 cult synth flagship). A ribbon controller or wiggling keys produces a vibrato that follows your fingers, just as a guitar. But the thing is, it's still 12 tone, temperament scale. And they try to put in breath controllers or whatever. I want a guitar controller that changes tone according to where you pick on the string. A guitar synth player still sounds like a very medium talented keyboardist...but the opposite way is too easy (i e Jan Hammer style a o). /mats -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:hartne.t@apple.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 5:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: [Keyboard controllers] was Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is A standard on/off organ-style keyboard controller, yes. But the addition of aftertouch along with all the mod wheels/pads/pedals adds an enviable number of controls. And there used to be this wonderful keyboard that would also let you wiggle each key from side to side and map that to what ever you wanted, giving you two aftertouch inputs on each independent held note. I wish manufacturers had embraced that wonderful idea. TH > Given the vast sonic possibilities of the synth today, > a keyboard seems the least expressive controller. It is just the > easiest to build, technically. Keyboardist could never before BEND PITCH. > Guitarists could. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 05:18:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09721; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 05:18:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 05:18:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <021101bf792f$b447ee60$09c1d6d1@oemcomputer> From: "X-ray" To: "Loopers Delight" Cc: , , Subject: New DL4 complaints Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 04:13:53 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Xt-cQ3.0.Fl1.saygu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ok I'd like to start by saying that I really do like the DL4, and I think Line6 is on to something. They should be congratulated for this very fun, unique, and useful product. Now for the mean stuff. I'm not here for the usual "I want more presets" complaint. Quite frankly I think 3 presets is fine. That's 3 more than any other stompbox I've ever owned. My chief complaint is of the functionality of the expression pedal. What Line6 fails to mention in any of their descriptions of the DL4 is that you cannot realistically use both the tap tempo feature AND the expression pedal after calling up a preset. It's one or the other. Let me explain how it works: you program the expression pedal to control the "mix" for example. You save that preset and then you recall it later. Then you decide to step on the tap-tempo button for a time adjustment. At this point your expression pedal will now sweep through your new and old delay times (causing that weird, garbled delay-time pitch bend) in addition to the "mix" (which you have already programmed the exp. pedal to change)....even though the expression pedal WAS NEVER PROGRAMMED TO CHANGE DELAY TIME. One of the MAIN reasons I bought the DL4 was so that I could have real-time control of all of the main delay parameters (time,feedback,mix). On one particular preset, I just want the exp. pedal to control the feedback rate for example. However as soon as I step on the tap-tempo button the pedal now controls the delay time too which now makes the expression pedal totally useless to me. Why on earth would this be useful to anybody?? If the user wants the exp. pedal to control the delay time, then the user should program it that way. If the user does not want the exp. pedal to control the delay time, then it should never control the delay time, regardless of whether or not the user steps on the tap-tempo. Why was the DL4 programmed this way?? Basically if you do not want the exp. pedal to sweep through the delay times (with all of that wacky pitch bending) then you cannot use the tap tempo feature. Like I said, one or the other. I do not think this is one of those subjective cases in which "some features are useful to some players and less useful to others" Bottom line...once you step on the tap-tempo button the expression pedal CEASES TO DO WHAT IT HAS BEEN PROGRAMMED TO DO. Why would that be useful to ANY DL4 user???? This seems like a software issue. Why can't the DL4 be programmed so that the expression pedal controls the delay time only (and I mean ONLY) when it has been specifically programmed to do so by a turn of the delay time KNOB (and ONLY by a turn of the knob)??? It just does not make sense to me why this feature has been completely overlooked. I'm hoping that if enough of us DL4 users will write/email Line6, then they will fix this problem with future software versions/upgrades. And for the record, I'm on my second DL4 (first one was faulty) and they both suffered from this problem. Second complaint: the accuracy of the expression pedal seems a little buggy. As I said before I like to use the exp. pedal to control feedback. I program the "toe-down" pedal position for maximum feedback. Sometimes when I press the pedal all the way down (toe-down) I get near infinite feedback...well actually it's not infinite as it takes a few minutes for the feedback to go away, but it's a really long time. Other times I press the exp. pedal all the way down and I get feedback that completely dies in about 15-20 seconds. That's a big gap. I never know when I'll get the really long feedback or the shorter feedback. Again this seems like an area that ought to be addressed with future software upgrades. I'd like to say again that I do like the DL4. I thank Line6 for making a product that I care enough about to want it to be all that it can be, and should be capable of. But for now I realize the DL4 is not going to be the real-time machine that I need it to be (and that it should be). I'm still chained to my rack which is what I wanted to get away from. Speak up fellow DL4 users. If enough users make requests, then the programmers will surely have to address these issues. Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 05:37:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17946; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 05:37:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 05:37:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000217103212.60840.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.120.52.1] From: "Mad K.O.S. Determination" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Much respect to guitarists... Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:32:01 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"VNg4p.0.e04.Dvygu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ...but I am a dj wondering about MIDI compatible looping equipment that can run off of turntables for in situ mixing. Anyone out there a dj? I am relatively new to this hardware... What's this raving about the Echoplex? Would it be usuable with live scratching? Would this be the best model? Anyone with recommendations? sincerely, MIDI novice. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 08:42:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26596; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:42:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:42:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Much respect to guitarists... Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:27:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"yiTci3.0.tO5.3T_gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, Hi DJ! I have waited (too!) long for a looping device that sends MIDI clocks to whatever sample you've made at your turntable/CD/sampler. I do think it exists, however, really expensive and hard to get. I ve worked with a DJ that used such equipment. We had to sync his scratching to MIDI sequencer, and a played gtr and keyboards to it. It did turn out well, after a lot of hassle. I have forgotten just about everything what the brand/make was and whatever. It was back in the mid 90's. The Lexicon Jam Man looping device was actually intended for DJ's! The Echoplex that succeded it (however, a different company, Oberheim)was (is) far more intricate and technically sounding better. However, not that intuitive to use.Those two effect boxes among other similar things are the reason for this list/site/newsgroup. And actually, DJ's are the ones who started "looping" on a large scale anyway, so your input is very welcome in this field. And there should be lot of Looping equipment out there for DJ's, however I do not know how or where to get it. /Mats -----Original Message----- From: Mad K.O.S. Determination [mailto:lilithxy@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 11:32 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Much respect to guitarists... ...but I am a dj wondering about MIDI compatible looping equipment that can run off of turntables for in situ mixing. Anyone out there a dj? I am relatively new to this hardware... What's this raving about the Echoplex? Would it be usuable with live scratching? Would this be the best model? Anyone with recommendations? sincerely, MIDI novice. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 09:28:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14927; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:28:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:28:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <4c.1d4adf3.25dd5e23@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:22:27 EST Subject: Re: Plexes and instruments: a Sunday evening essay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: <"gsysF1.0.Wa2.9H0hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wanna plex... bwwaaaa! love & loops, Robby Aceto From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 09:28:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14922; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:28:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:28:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DF34@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Sustainiac Sustainer Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:12:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"DEwoa2.0.TZ1.D80hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I tried the sustainer and it just didn't work for me at all. I could get one string vibrating briefly haha.but it was probably that I didn't know how to use the darn thing. Well, I think it's neat that someone would take the sustainer and have that be there main thing.Neat, but man did it not work for me haha. For me, it sounded like a pig squealing right out of deliverance..... Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com : Sustainiac Sustainer It helps him get a "live" sound since Exottica was recorded direct to PC at his home studio. haha, this line srikes me funny. I don't know, to me live means "no overdubs" or added tracks,reguardless of where performed,no? do you loopers think along the same lines?. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 09:48:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20753; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:48:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:48:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38AC859B.644F0D12@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:34:51 -0800 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJ'ed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ex_w83.0.Jh4.Ea0hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com johnmcc@aldiscon.ie wrote: > > > I have waited (too!) long for a looping device that sends MIDI clocks to > whatever sample you've made > > at your turntable/CD/sampler. I do think it exists, however, really > expensive and hard to get. Have a look at the DJNRD2 from our LD member Emanuel Perille the link is here http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/tools.html Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 09:37:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17147; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:37:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:37:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie Subject: DJ'ed To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:32:35 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2a (Intl)|23 November 1999) at 17/02/2000 14:32:40 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Iwasz.0.z24.nQ0hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I have waited (too!) long for a looping device that sends MIDI clocks to whatever sample you've made > at your turntable/CD/sampler. I do think it exists, however, really expensive and hard to get. I've a BOSS SP-202 and it'll take MIDI in. If you're using anything that'll send a MIDI trigger at the start of each loop, it can trigger a sample on the 202. Just set that sample patch to "Trigger" and "One-Shot". The 202 is a very nice, affordable sampler but not ideal as a guitar looper .. you have to start and stop the recording process using the buttons (not via MIDI or with foot switches), and guitarists usually don't have a free hand .... used it with a keyboard tho' and that was fun, especially the ring modulator, if you fancy sounding like Jan Hammer for a minute. But it is stereo, good sound quality, and has reverse and time stretch. Perfect for DJing, or taking loops off the PA for total maymen :-) I saw a big brother of the 202 that had 16 sample patches, and a built-in 4 track mixing desk .. anyone seen this? It's not on the rolandus.com site. - John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 10:08:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31025; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:08:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:08:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38AC866C.17C97898@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:38:20 -0800 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Allllelluya the LD search engine works again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OjovT1.0.2x4.Wd0hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 10:24:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04641; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:24:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:24:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: DJ'ed Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:46:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"Usik2.0.Av4.vc0hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ohh sorry, I meant the other way around: Whatever sample, loop I make, it should generate a MIDI clock OUT based on the looping points, instantly. And then you should be able to subdivide, or multiply by that PBM. Thats my problem with Jam Man and Echoplex. They're only able to DIVIDE it down, once you've set the loop points or echo/delay points. Once it sends out a clock, one should be able to MULTIPLY the echo/delay or loop point on Jam Man/Exhoplex without changing the MIDI clock out to, let's say a drum machine. Then the drum machine would play a 8 bar, but you put in a 16 or 32 bar loop that will stay in place regardless, and not drift out of time after 64 bars...or more interesting, a triplet of that, to create polyrhythmical lines... /mats -----Original Message----- From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie [mailto:johnmcc@aldiscon.ie] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 3:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJ'ed > I have waited (too!) long for a looping device that sends MIDI clocks to whatever sample you've made > at your turntable/CD/sampler. I do think it exists, however, really expensive and hard to get. I've a BOSS SP-202 and it'll take MIDI in. If you're using anything that'll send a MIDI trigger at the start of each loop, it can trigger a sample on the 202. Just set that sample patch to "Trigger" and "One-Shot". The 202 is a very nice, affordable sampler but not ideal as a guitar looper .. you have to start and stop the recording process using the buttons (not via MIDI or with foot switches), and guitarists usually don't have a free hand .... used it with a keyboard tho' and that was fun, especially the ring modulator, if you fancy sounding like Jan Hammer for a minute. But it is stereo, good sound quality, and has reverse and time stretch. Perfect for DJing, or taking loops off the PA for total maymen :-) I saw a big brother of the 202 that had 16 sample patches, and a built-in 4 track mixing desk .. anyone seen this? It's not on the rolandus.com site. - John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 10:14:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00552; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:14:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:14:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:48:24 +0100 From: Christoph Helma To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJ'ed Message-ID: <20000217154824.H27309@helma.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Reply-To: helma@informatik.uni-freiburg.de References: <38AC859B.644F0D12@vtx.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <38AC859B.644F0D12@vtx.ch> Resent-Message-ID: <"RUeMK2.0.6-4.ve0hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 03:34:51PM -0800, Claude voit wrote: > > Have a look at the DJNRD2 from our LD member Emanuel Perille > > the link is here http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/tools.html > > Claude Is anyone using this piece. I'd like to hear some comments. christoph From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 10:32:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10511; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:32:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:32:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003201bf7959$777bde40$144badce@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Much respect to guitarists... Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:12:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"V-idO1.0.rd7.jy0hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Listmember Emmanuel created the DJRND2 loop machine specifically with DJ's in mind. Check out the Tools of the Trade section of Looper's Delight, or contact Emmanuel yourself at perille@club-internet.fr Nice guy with a great idea. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 8:27 AM Subject: RE: Much respect to guitarists... > Well, Hi DJ! > > I have waited (too!) long for a looping device that sends MIDI clocks to whatever sample you've made > at your turntable/CD/sampler. I do think it exists, however, really expensive and hard to get. I ve worked with a DJ that used such equipment. We had to sync his scratching to MIDI sequencer, and a played gtr and keyboards to it. It did turn out well, after a lot of hassle. I have forgotten just about everything what the brand/make was and whatever. It was back in the mid 90's. > > The Lexicon Jam Man looping device was actually intended for DJ's! The Echoplex that succeded it (however, a different company, Oberheim)was (is) far more intricate and technically sounding better. However, not that intuitive to use.Those two effect boxes among other similar things are the reason for this list/site/newsgroup. > > And actually, DJ's are the ones who started "looping" on a large scale anyway, so your input is very welcome in this field. And there should be lot of Looping equipment out there for DJ's, however I do not know how or where to get it. > /Mats > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mad K.O.S. Determination [mailto:lilithxy@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 11:32 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Much respect to guitarists... > > > ...but I am a dj wondering about MIDI compatible looping equipment that can > run off of turntables for in situ mixing. Anyone out there a dj? > > I am relatively new to this hardware... What's this raving about the > Echoplex? Would it be usuable with live scratching? Would this be the best > model? Anyone with recommendations? > > sincerely, > > MIDI novice. > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 11:58:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15201; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:58:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:58:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:46:54 EST Subject: Re: Sustainiac Sustainer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: <"ABQA83.0.YQ2.WO2hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 02/16/00 9:11:15 PM, maniac@netdirect.net writes: >There's a new guitar instrumental CD just released by an Artist that uses >the Sustainiac Sustainer. His name is Troy Stetina. The CD is called Exottica. The Sustainiac is an awesome device. I've used the Model B for years and years and never play without it. I have no idea how this fellow sounds with it, but the device is definitely something I'd recommend checking out. I use mine even on my Lakewood M-32 acoustic. Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 12:05:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19486; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:05:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:05:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="webexpress-2.1.3-066f38" Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:59:29 +0000 From: "Graham " Message-Id: <950806769.webexpressdV2.1.3@mail.u.genie.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJing...... Resent-Message-ID: <"RGQ9X2.0.ow3.Oa2hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --webexpress-2.1.3-066f38 Content-Type: text/plain Check out www.redsystems.com With the yoyager you can get MIDI clock to sync up EDP's etc direct from your turntables! Got to be good ; name="" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLTA3MzU5MjI3MTcxMTU3 --webexpress-2.1.3-066f38-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 12:06:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19559; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:06:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:06:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000217170031.30672.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.161] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJRND2 Tape and soon to be DJRND3 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:00:29 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"kBgX22.0.nG4.Gb2hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi guys, Emmanuel sent me a tape of the DJRND2 and different mixes. It does seem to be for DJing but I am interested to see if I can apply it to my home studio looping creations and live performences.. I like alot of what is on the tape and it definately loops. It picks up different sound patches holds them picks up more fades them out and brings them back. He is working on a new DJRND3 with upgraded abilities. I still want a hands on experience and may have DJRND2 soon to try out with the Santa Cruz,Ca and Bay area loopers. I'll keep ya posted. Om and Out Papa Dave papadave55@hotmail.com >From: "Larry Tremblay" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: Much respect to guitarists... >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:12:40 -0500 > >Listmember Emmanuel created the DJRND2 loop machine >specifically with DJ's in mind. Check out the Tools >of the Trade section of Looper's Delight, or contact >Emmanuel yourself at perille@club-internet.fr > >Nice guy with a great idea. > >- Larry T > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 8:27 AM >Subject: RE: Much respect to guitarists... > > > > Well, Hi DJ! > > > > I have waited (too!) long for a looping device that sends MIDI clocks to >whatever sample you've made > > at your turntable/CD/sampler. I do think it exists, however, really >expensive and hard to get. I ve worked with a DJ that used such equipment. >We had to sync his scratching to MIDI sequencer, and a played gtr and >keyboards to it. It did turn out well, after a lot of hassle. I have >forgotten just about everything what the brand/make was and whatever. It >was >back in the mid 90's. > > > > The Lexicon Jam Man looping device was actually intended for DJ's! The >Echoplex that succeded it (however, a different company, Oberheim)was (is) >far more intricate and technically sounding better. However, not that >intuitive to use.Those two effect boxes among other similar things are the >reason for this list/site/newsgroup. > > > > And actually, DJ's are the ones who started "looping" on a large scale >anyway, so your input is very welcome in this field. And there should be >lot >of Looping equipment out there for DJ's, however I do not know how or where >to get it. > > /Mats > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mad K.O.S. Determination [mailto:lilithxy@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 11:32 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: Much respect to guitarists... > > > > > > ...but I am a dj wondering about MIDI compatible looping equipment that >can > > run off of turntables for in situ mixing. Anyone out there a dj? > > > > I am relatively new to this hardware... What's this raving about the > > Echoplex? Would it be usuable with live scratching? Would this be the >best > > model? Anyone with recommendations? > > > > sincerely, > > > > MIDI novice. > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 12:22:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25573; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:22:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:22:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701bf796a$fb5047e0$c1b7bace@internet> From: "Gerry P" To: References: Subject: Re: Sustainiac Sustainer Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:18:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"UJTiU1.0.9Y5.ao2hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I would agree completely. I had the Sustainiac Stealth/Seymour Duncan mini-humbucker package from Maniac Music (Alan Hoover) installed on my Godin last year and use it for DI in my home studio - I don't own an amp/cab but get great results for guitar tone using a POD, a GP100 and the Stealth. Gerry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Sustainiac Sustainer > In a message dated 02/16/00 9:11:15 PM, maniac@netdirect.net writes: > > > The Sustainiac is an awesome device. I've used the Model B for years and > years and never play without it. I have no idea how this fellow sounds with > it, but the device is definitely something I'd recommend checking out. I use > mine even on my Lakewood M-32 acoustic. > > Ted Killian > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 12:18:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23262; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:18:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:18:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000217091145.007bb500@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:11:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: New DL4 complaints In-Reply-To: <021101bf792f$b447ee60$09c1d6d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NxUua2.0.9E5.Bn2hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am going to have to agree 100% on this one! The expression pedal with the DL-4 is an incredible combination, but problematic. My presets/expression pedal setup are: preset 1: Reverse delay with exp. pedal controls Mix - 0% - 100%. preset 2: Tube Delay with exp. pedal controls Drive preset 3: Digital Delay with exp. controls Mix - 0% - 100%. Looper Mode: exp. controls Mix I haven't had a need to set the tap tempo while using the exp. pedal, but Mike's description makes total sense. I think the exp. pedal is very buggy, unless it does one simple thing only. I have had very little trouble with the above presets, but i wanted the exp. pedal to do more things...i just gave up after i couldn't get what i wanted. George Van Wager, if you are getting this, let us know what you think! Thanks for an awesome box. If the expression pedal issue could be solved with a software/eprom release, this box would be almost flawless for the fun/ease of use/price/fun/fun/fun ratio! later, rich At 04:13 AM 2/17/00 -0600, you wrote: >Ok I'd like to start by saying that I really do like the DL4, and I think >Line6 is on to something. They should be congratulated for this very fun, >unique, and useful product. >Now for the mean stuff. I'm not here for the usual "I want more presets" >complaint. Quite frankly I think 3 presets is fine. That's 3 more than any >other stompbox I've ever owned. >My chief complaint is of the functionality of the expression pedal. What >Line6 fails to mention in any of their descriptions of the DL4 is that you >cannot realistically use both the tap tempo feature AND the expression pedal >after calling up a preset. It's one or the other. Let me explain how it >works: you program the expression pedal to control the "mix" for example. >You save that preset and then you recall it later. Then you decide to step >on the tap-tempo button for a time adjustment. At this point your >expression pedal will now sweep through your new and old delay times >(causing that weird, garbled delay-time pitch bend) in addition to the "mix" >(which you have already programmed the exp. pedal to change)....even though >the expression pedal WAS NEVER PROGRAMMED TO CHANGE DELAY TIME. One of the >MAIN reasons I bought the DL4 was so that I could have real-time control of >all of the main delay parameters (time,feedback,mix). On one particular >preset, I just want the exp. pedal to control the feedback rate for example. >However as soon as I step on the tap-tempo button the pedal now controls the >delay time too which now makes the expression pedal totally useless to me. >Why on earth would this be useful to anybody?? If the user wants the exp. >pedal to control the delay time, then the user should program it that way. >If the user does not want the exp. pedal to control the delay time, then it >should never control the delay time, regardless of whether or not the user >steps on the tap-tempo. Why was the DL4 programmed this way?? Basically if >you do not want the exp. pedal to sweep through the delay times (with all of >that wacky pitch bending) then you cannot use the tap tempo feature. Like I >said, one or the other. I do not think this is one of those subjective >cases in which "some features are useful to some players and less useful to >others" Bottom line...once you step on the tap-tempo button the expression >pedal CEASES TO DO WHAT IT HAS BEEN PROGRAMMED TO DO. Why would that be >useful to ANY DL4 user???? This seems like a software issue. Why can't the >DL4 be programmed so that the expression pedal controls the delay time only >(and I mean ONLY) when it has been specifically programmed to do so by a >turn of the delay time KNOB (and ONLY by a turn of the knob)??? > >It just does not make sense to me why this feature has been completely >overlooked. I'm hoping that if enough of us DL4 users will write/email >Line6, then they will fix this problem with future software >versions/upgrades. And for the record, I'm on my second DL4 (first one was >faulty) and they both suffered from this problem. > >Second complaint: the accuracy of the expression pedal seems a little >buggy. As I said before I like to use the exp. pedal to control feedback. >I program the "toe-down" pedal position for maximum feedback. Sometimes >when I press the pedal all the way down (toe-down) I get near infinite >feedback...well actually it's not infinite as it takes a few minutes for the >feedback to go away, but it's a really long time. Other times I press the >exp. pedal all the way down and I get feedback that completely dies in about >15-20 seconds. That's a big gap. I never know when I'll get the really >long feedback or the shorter feedback. > >Again this seems like an area that ought to be addressed with future >software upgrades. > >I'd like to say again that I do like the DL4. I thank Line6 for making a >product that I care enough about to want it to be all that it can be, and >should be capable of. But for now I realize the DL4 is not going to be the >real-time machine that I need it to be (and that it should be). I'm still >chained to my rack which is what I wanted to get away from. Speak up fellow >DL4 users. If enough users make requests, then the programmers will surely >have to address these issues. > >Mike > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 12:13:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21395; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:13:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:13:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.1af50c3.25dd81cf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:54:39 EST Subject: Re: New DL4 complaints To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: <"LafWd2.0.dL3.pV2hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 02/17/00 2:18:19 AM, ew37@bellsouth.net writes: >causing that weird, garbled delay-time pitch bend... Hmmmmm. Sounds interesting. I gotta get me one of fthese things. :-) TK From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 12:26:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30142; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:26:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:26:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:09:23 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: DJ'ed In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"TUKMw2.0.y06.Bu2hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 6:46 AM -0800 2/17/00, Mats Eriksson (ECS) wrote: >Ohh sorry, I meant the other way around: >Whatever sample, loop I make, it should generate a MIDI clock OUT based on >the looping points, instantly. both the echoplex and the jamman have midi clock sync in and out. They work just like you want. >And then you should be able to subdivide, or multiply by that PBM. > >Thats my problem with Jam Man and Echoplex. They're only able to DIVIDE it >down, once you've set >the loop points or echo/delay points. Once it sends out a clock, one >should be able to MULTIPLY the >echo/delay or loop point on Jam Man/Exhoplex without changing the MIDI >clock out to, let's say a drum machine. Then the drum machine would play a >8 bar, but you put in a 16 or 32 bar loop that will stay in place >regardless, and not drift out of time after 64 bars... >or more interesting, >a triplet of that, to create polyrhythmical lines... >/mats This is exactly how the OB echoplex works for midi sync! For example, if you have a loop playing and sending out midi clock, you can use the multiply function to make it some multiple number longer. (2x, 3x, 4x, 27x, whatever.) The midi clock stays the same, based on the basic loop length you started with. But your loop is now multiplied longer. You use the 8ths/beat parameter to set how long your basic cycle is in relation to the midi clock. (2 bars, for example). This basically sets the tempo for you. If you sync to midi clock in, this multiplying happens automatically. So if have it set for 8-beats/2bar loops, and you leave the loop record going longer than 2 bars, it automatically notes the 2 bar point as your basic cycle and begins doing that multiply function for you automatically. (you'll see the multiple display count up as 2 bars passes, in this case.) Whenever you end the record, it finishes up the current cycle. In this way, you can easily record long loops in sync to midi clock. It's very flexible and totally designed for this live, real-time sort of use. The machine takes care of everything for you and makes it very simple to use. And in the next software version, we will revolutionize sync with some really great new ideas! ;-) kim >-----Original Message----- >From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie [mailto:johnmcc@aldiscon.ie] >Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 3:33 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: DJ'ed > > > >> I have waited (too!) long for a looping device that sends MIDI clocks to >whatever sample you've made >> at your turntable/CD/sampler. I do think it exists, however, really >expensive and hard to get. > >I've a BOSS SP-202 and it'll take MIDI in. If you're using anything that'll >send a MIDI trigger at the start of each loop, it can trigger a sample on >the 202. Just set that sample patch to "Trigger" and "One-Shot". The 202 is >a very nice, affordable sampler but not ideal as a guitar looper .. you >have to start and stop the recording process using the buttons (not via >MIDI or with foot switches), and guitarists usually don't have a free hand >.... used it with a keyboard tho' and that was fun, especially the ring >modulator, if you fancy sounding like Jan Hammer for a minute. But it is >stereo, good sound quality, and has reverse and time stretch. Perfect for >DJing, or taking loops off the PA for total maymen :-) > >I saw a big brother of the 202 that had 16 sample patches, and a built-in 4 >track mixing desk .. anyone seen this? It's not on the rolandus.com site. > >- John ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 12:19:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23324; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:19:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:19:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.18712f3.25dd8643@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:13:39 EST Subject: Re: DJ'ed To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"9AKp31.0.zU5.gn2hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << I saw a big brother of the 202 that had 16 sample patches, and a built-in 4 track mixing desk .. anyone seen this? It's not on the rolandus.com site. >> I think you might be talking about the SP-808. It is the one piece of gear that I would keep, if I could only have one. Which reminds me, one of these days I'll post a list of 'stuff in the closet" that needs a new home. hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 12:32:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32352; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:32:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:32:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:27:17 EST Subject: Re: EDP On Ebay - $600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"_691n1.0.dO7.-z2hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com on ebay under Oberheim. version 5.0 and footpedal--only $600 (at the moment) hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 12:18:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23172; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:18:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:18:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:07:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJRND2 Tape and soon to be DJRND3 Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: <"H5RTw1.0.Op4.ih2hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i would love to hear a tape of that as well. regards, c. Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > Hi guys, Emmanuel sent me a tape of the DJRND2 and different mixes. It does seem to be for DJing but I am interested to see if I can apply it to my home studio looping creations and live performences.. I like alot of what is on the tape and it definately loops. It picks up different sound patches holds them picks up more fades them out and brings them back. He is working on a new DJRND3 with upgraded abilities. I still want a hands on experience and may have DJRND2 soon to try out with the Santa Cruz,Ca and Bay area loopers. I'll keep ya posted. Om and Out Papa Dave papadave55@hotmail.com >From: "Larry Tremblay" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: Much respect to guitarists... >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:12:40 -0500 > >Listmember Emmanuel created the DJRND2 loop machine >specifically with DJ's in mind. Check out the Tools >of the Trade section of Looper's Delight, or contact >Emmanuel yourself at perille@club-internet.fr > >Nice guy with a great idea. > >- Larry T > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 8:27 AM >Subject: RE: Much respect to guitarists... > > > > Well, Hi DJ! > > > > I have waited (too!) long for a looping device that sends MIDI clocks to >whatever sample you've made > > at your turntable/CD/sampler. I do think it exists, however, really >expensive and hard to get. I ve worked with a DJ that used such equipment. >We had to sync his scratching to MIDI sequencer, and a played gtr and >keyboards to it. It did turn out well, after a lot of hassle. I have >forgotten just about everything what the brand/make was and whatever. It >was >back in the mid 90's. > > > > The Lexicon Jam Man looping device was actually intended for DJ's! The >Echoplex that succeded it (however, a different company, Oberheim)was (is) >far more intricate and technically sounding better. However, not that >intuitive to use.Those two effect boxes among other similar things are the >reason for this list/site/newsgroup. > > > > And actually, DJ's are the ones who started "looping" on a large scale >anyway, so your input is very welcome in this field. And there should be >lot >of Looping equipment out there for DJ's, however I do not know how or where >to get it. > > /Mats > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mad K.O.S. Determination [mailto:lilithxy@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 11:32 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: Much respect to guitarists... > > > > > > ...but I am a dj wondering about MIDI compatible looping equipment that >can > > run off of turntables for in situ mixing. Anyone out there a dj? > > > > I am relatively new to this hardware... What's this raving about the > > Echoplex? Would it be usuable with live scratching? Would this be the >best > > model? Anyone with recommendations? > > > > sincerely, > > > > MIDI novice. > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 20:24:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05802; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:24:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:24:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <039201bf79ad$2d3c68a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <20000216034642.54429.qmail@hotmail.com> <38AA9633.63FC443B@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:12:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"gyQ0N.0.Kf.Ns9hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Heh heh... One of my first looping experiments was to set up a microphone by my front door, ring the bell, and try to record my dog's barking and then do something rhythmic with it. The final product definitely fell into my very large "failed experiments" file, although it was much better than the duet I tried to write for dog and piano. :) With regards to the synth firestorm I started, I've decided to skip it for now in favor of a used Boss GT3 and an EH Microsynth reissue, which I just can't wait to get my hands on. The Sherman Filterbank will also have to wait til later... Peter "I guess you go too far when pianos try to be guitars." (or vice versa) -Tori Amos, "Northern Lad" ----- Original Message ----- From: lance glover To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is > Potter wrote: > > > It's all good! Respect the diversity. I love to loop with a mike and a pan > > with water sloshing around in it while I hit the pan with a stick. Great > > sounds. > > best part is no tracking problems w/ the right stick... > > *but seriously* its (it's) good to see a positive addition to this thread. > > > lance g. > > ps i've got major leaks in my bldg. due to heavy rains. lotsa water sloshing > around in pans. got one looping now :-) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 17 22:40:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29653; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:40:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:40:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009301bf79c0$fe5f3f80$6f5dadc7@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Taaffe, Denis G" , Subject: Re: Sustainiac Sustainer Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:32:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"g6nF-.0.PW6.AqBhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A primary problem in trying these units out is that the battery MUST be fresh and up to it's full 9+ volts. Could be the battery was near dead, a common problem in music stores where the sales people just don't get it. Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: Taaffe, Denis G To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Thursday, February 17, 2000 9:12 AM Subject: RE: Sustainiac Sustainer >Hello, > > I tried the sustainer and it just didn't work for me at all. I could get >one string vibrating briefly haha.but it was probably that I didn't know how >to use the darn thing. Well, I think it's neat that someone would take the >sustainer and have that be there main thing.Neat, but man did it not work >for me haha. For me, it sounded like a pig squealing right out of >deliverance..... > > > >Denis > >Denis Taaffe >denis_aliengtr@geocities.com >http://www.dtguitar.com > >: Sustainiac Sustainer > > >It helps him get a "live" sound since Exottica was recorded direct to PC at >his home studio. > >haha, this line srikes me funny. I don't know, to me live means "no >overdubs" or added tracks,reguardless of where performed,no? do you loopers >think along the same lines?. > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 18 01:46:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13084; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:46:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:46:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 00:26:38 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200002180626.AAA25904@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: altomusic Resent-Message-ID: <"JnpCT1.0.s42.9PEhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey everybody! the page of altomusic is UP again! : http://www.altomusic.com/ Andy. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 18 02:51:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21090; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 02:51:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 02:51:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: DJ'ed Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 08:46:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"eD6Ag.0.og4.VZFhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I must definitely have the earliest software on the OB plex (don't know which one yet, have to check it out, bought it secondhand). Because this (as you described below) just doesn't work. Jam Man does it (sync out) but you can't do it in echo/delay mode, which I m after. At least not with original software. Thanks for the tips & tricks anyway! /mats -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 6:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: DJ'ed At 6:46 AM -0800 2/17/00, Mats Eriksson (ECS) wrote: >Ohh sorry, I meant the other way around: >Whatever sample, loop I make, it should generate a MIDI clock OUT based on >the looping points, instantly. both the echoplex and the jamman have midi clock sync in and out. They work just like you want. >And then you should be able to subdivide, or multiply by that PBM. > >Thats my problem with Jam Man and Echoplex. They're only able to DIVIDE it >down, once you've set >the loop points or echo/delay points. Once it sends out a clock, one >should be able to MULTIPLY the >echo/delay or loop point on Jam Man/Exhoplex without changing the MIDI >clock out to, let's say a drum machine. Then the drum machine would play a >8 bar, but you put in a 16 or 32 bar loop that will stay in place >regardless, and not drift out of time after 64 bars... >or more interesting, >a triplet of that, to create polyrhythmical lines... >/mats This is exactly how the OB echoplex works for midi sync! For example, if you have a loop playing and sending out midi clock, you can use the multiply function to make it some multiple number longer. (2x, 3x, 4x, 27x, whatever.) The midi clock stays the same, based on the basic loop length you started with. But your loop is now multiplied longer. You use the 8ths/beat parameter to set how long your basic cycle is in relation to the midi clock. (2 bars, for example). This basically sets the tempo for you. If you sync to midi clock in, this multiplying happens automatically. So if have it set for 8-beats/2bar loops, and you leave the loop record going longer than 2 bars, it automatically notes the 2 bar point as your basic cycle and begins doing that multiply function for you automatically. (you'll see the multiple display count up as 2 bars passes, in this case.) Whenever you end the record, it finishes up the current cycle. In this way, you can easily record long loops in sync to midi clock. It's very flexible and totally designed for this live, real-time sort of use. The machine takes care of everything for you and makes it very simple to use. And in the next software version, we will revolutionize sync with some really great new ideas! ;-) kim >-----Original Message----- >From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie [mailto:johnmcc@aldiscon.ie] >Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 3:33 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: DJ'ed > > > >> I have waited (too!) long for a looping device that sends MIDI clocks to >whatever sample you've made >> at your turntable/CD/sampler. I do think it exists, however, really >expensive and hard to get. > >I've a BOSS SP-202 and it'll take MIDI in. If you're using anything that'll >send a MIDI trigger at the start of each loop, it can trigger a sample on >the 202. Just set that sample patch to "Trigger" and "One-Shot". The 202 is >a very nice, affordable sampler but not ideal as a guitar looper .. you >have to start and stop the recording process using the buttons (not via >MIDI or with foot switches), and guitarists usually don't have a free hand >.... used it with a keyboard tho' and that was fun, especially the ring >modulator, if you fancy sounding like Jan Hammer for a minute. But it is >stereo, good sound quality, and has reverse and time stretch. Perfect for >DJing, or taking loops off the PA for total maymen :-) > >I saw a big brother of the 202 that had 16 sample patches, and a built-in 4 >track mixing desk .. anyone seen this? It's not on the rolandus.com site. > >- John ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 18 06:07:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15847; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 06:07:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 06:07:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000218105814.88008.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [199.179.162.150] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJ'ed Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 02:58:14 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"aj1B91.0.LE3.dNIhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, that BiG brother to the SP-202 is the SP-808...... ----Original Message Follows---- From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJ'ed Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:32:35 +0000 > I have waited (too!) long for a looping device that sends MIDI clocks to whatever sample you've made > at your turntable/CD/sampler. I do think it exists, however, really expensive and hard to get. I've a BOSS SP-202 and it'll take MIDI in. If you're using anything that'll send a MIDI trigger at the start of each loop, it can trigger a sample on the 202. Just set that sample patch to "Trigger" and "One-Shot". The 202 is a very nice, affordable sampler but not ideal as a guitar looper .. you have to start and stop the recording process using the buttons (not via MIDI or with foot switches), and guitarists usually don't have a free hand .... used it with a keyboard tho' and that was fun, especially the ring modulator, if you fancy sounding like Jan Hammer for a minute. But it is stereo, good sound quality, and has reverse and time stretch. Perfect for DJing, or taking loops off the PA for total maymen :-) I saw a big brother of the 202 that had 16 sample patches, and a built-in 4 track mixing desk .. anyone seen this? It's not on the rolandus.com site. - John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 18 07:30:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13159; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:30:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:30:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38AD36F4.8AC6D98@minds-eye.org> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:11:32 -0500 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: DL4 question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"x3gmq1.0.5y.tTJhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've had my DL4 for a couple of weeks now and have noticed that it seems to feedback and distort very easily (especially when adjusting the feedback and regen). This is especially true on the sweep echo and tape echo settings (a slight adjustment and the signal goes over the top and breaks-up). This happens whether the DL4 is late in the effects chain or the only stop between the guitar and the amp. I'm not sure if that's just the nature of the effects, or if there's something wrong here. It just seems way too easy to make some truly terrible noise quickly. It also seems like using an expression pedal would be very difficult to control without creating the same damaged noise (not a good thing this time). Has anyone had any similar problems? Thanks Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 18 07:25:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11731; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:25:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:25:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <11.1357d7c.25de9309@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:20:25 EST Subject: Re: passive pick ups To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 33 Resent-Message-ID: <"wM9iV.0.Pf1.oaJhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Renaldo, May want to try a set of Seymour Duncan's in it. Try out the Jazz for the neck and a JB for the neck, you may enjoy the change from the EMG's. Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 18 07:59:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24500; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:59:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:59:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.1454380.25de99df@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:49:35 EST Subject: Re: Much respect to guitarists... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 33 Resent-Message-ID: <"TTuax3.0.YQ4.50Khu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hellay there, I'm not a DJ anymore, so this may or may not be of interest, you may want to check out http://www.catalog.com/starrlab and then take a peak at the Vestax 05 DJ Mixer. It's down towards the bottom, so head's up, eh? This is the blurb which is on Harvey's page: Vestax 05 DJ Mixer retrofit with MIDI pickups on the 2 Channel sliders and the Crossfade slider. The companion Y10 controller translates the MixMaster's movements into MIDI EFX. These can also be translated into Video fades in a multi-media system. L8r on, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 18 07:50:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18110; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:50:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:50:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:35:38 EST Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 33 Resent-Message-ID: <"D3CXx2.0.qa3.yoJhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com John, I know that Andy Summers was using a Roland GR-707 and GR-700 for a long time and then he went over to the Ibanez MIDI 2010 system, and from there, I think he's gone with the Axon system, but I could be wrong. For a MIDI pickup, I'm not sure what he's using anymore... The RMC's are going to work out a bit better than the Hex as they are going to be set directly on the string, and they aren't going to have to deal with the amount of crosstalk which is normal for the Hex (magnetic, GK-2a) pickups which are out there. This is extremely true if you are using a Bass as your controller. Another thing which helps out is to have the nut on the instrument you are using intonated as well. For my Gene V with RMC's to my GR-30 (soon to also be a Yamaha G50) I've noticed that the lower strings are tracking substantially better with the RMC's and the new nut. Still, it is not as quick as I pluck the string and INSTANTLY the synth makes an appropriate sound, there is still a little lag and always will be! As for problems with fingerstyle vs. pick(s), I can say that the Axon systems tend to work a little better with picks, as do the Roland, and there is after touch information sent out on both the GR-30 and the Axon AX-100SB both internally and externally. One thing I noticed immediately is that the Axon systems are much faster at sending out MIDI information than the Roland units, though I have not had a chance to try out the new GR-33. On my GR-30, I notice that it does a real happening job with different finger styles out there. Also, playing lightly helps out drastically. Have to agree with a few other posts out there that you'll spend a bit of time getting used to how the conversion brain is going to react to what you are doing on the instrument. Just as I also have to agree that a bad way to go into this is to think that you'll be playing a guitar for the effect of playing a piano. Just doesn't happen. 'tis better to think of it as playing a synthesizer with a guitar interface, and then also have the ability to switch back to guitar, again. Another slight plug towards the RMC's are that they also offer one of the best acoustic sounds I've had the pleasure of using. Hope this helps a bit. Lee-ohki. "We are all connected, even outside the Wired." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 18 10:32:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25481; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:32:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:32:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001d01bf7a23$ded3a6c0$de4badce@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <38AD36F4.8AC6D98@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: DL4 dissappointment Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:21:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"-CjzG3.0.a94.-AMhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I took a test drive of the DL4 w/ expression pedal. As far as I can tell, the zipper noise is virtually unavoidable. I think Line6 goofed on this product. It's really not much of a loop machine, unlike the Headrush, for instance, which is better-suited IMO. Too bad... - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin" To: "loop" Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 7:11 AM Subject: DL4 question > I've had my DL4 for a couple of weeks now and have noticed that it seems > to feedback and distort very easily (especially when adjusting the > feedback and regen). This is especially true on the sweep echo and tape > echo settings (a slight adjustment and the signal goes over the top and > breaks-up). This happens whether the DL4 is late in the effects chain > or the only stop between the guitar and the amp. > > I'm not sure if that's just the nature of the effects, or if there's > something wrong here. It just seems way too easy to make some truly > terrible noise quickly. It also seems like using an expression pedal > would be very difficult to control without creating the same damaged > noise (not a good thing this time). Has anyone had any similar > problems? > > Thanks > > Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 18 11:33:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22463; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:33:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:33:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000218080937.008973c0@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 08:09:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: DL4 question In-Reply-To: <38AD36F4.8AC6D98@minds-eye.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"BDD4x.0.613.h0Nhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Are you running really hot pickups, that might be overloading the dl-4? That's about the only thing i would guess, unless the unit is faulty. My unit is clean, clean, clean. As for when you are adjusting the feedback and regen, you might notice a 'zipper' sound if you move the knob too fast, since we are dealing with a 'software' modeled delay. If you are using a guitar with active pickups, maybe try a passive guitar. If it still breaks up, call line6... rich At 07:11 AM 2/18/00 -0500, you wrote: >I've had my DL4 for a couple of weeks now and have noticed that it seems >to feedback and distort very easily (especially when adjusting the >feedback and regen). This is especially true on the sweep echo and tape >echo settings (a slight adjustment and the signal goes over the top and >breaks-up). This happens whether the DL4 is late in the effects chain >or the only stop between the guitar and the amp. > >I'm not sure if that's just the nature of the effects, or if there's >something wrong here. It just seems way too easy to make some truly >terrible noise quickly. It also seems like using an expression pedal >would be very difficult to control without creating the same damaged >noise (not a good thing this time). Has anyone had any similar >problems? > >Thanks > >Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 18 12:03:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04741; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:03:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:03:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000218165602.75002.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.181.90.100] From: "Greg S" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000218080937.008973c0@pop3.argotech.net> Subject: Re: DL4 question Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:00:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"wHEeB3.0.Ec.2dNhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >I've had my DL4 for a couple of weeks now and have noticed that it seems > >to feedback and distort very easily I run my DL4 after the line level output from my guitar effects/preamp and I did get some distortion. I simply turned down the output of my effects unit, compensated at the mixer, and all is well. It wasn't a major adjustment, just a slight one. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 18 12:00:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04068; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:00:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:00:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000218165259.87983.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.181.90.100] From: "Greg S" To: References: <38AD36F4.8AC6D98@minds-eye.org> <001d01bf7a23$ded3a6c0$de4badce@concentric.net> Subject: Re: DL4 dissappointment Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 08:57:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZyVph1.0.-a7.CaNhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > It's really not much of a loop machine, unlike the > Headrush, for instance, which is better-suited IMO. In all fairness, the dl4 is not designed primarily to be a loop machine. It's supposed to be a delay modeler. Given that it's $200, I think it's a fantastic delay modeler. As a pure looping machine? For $200: I'd still buy it. Put 'em both together (delay + looper), for $200. Yep, still worth it! It all really comes down to your own needs. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 18 14:44:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16405; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:44:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:44:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004601bf7a44$68b943c0$2624883e@oemcomputer> From: "renaldo mckim" To: "loopers-delight" Subject: passive pickups Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:14:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ui5yt2.0.lj.ygPhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks to all that answered but i think im going to stick with the EMG's because i used to have seymour duncans on the steinberger(composite neck/with custom made mahogany body) and it was still harsh sounding and i have just tried a set of gibson pickups that my mate had lying around with the same result. i think that i should explain that i get a good lead, crunch rhythm and picked arpeggio type sound (?) its just when i strum that i get this harsh sort of overtone and at first i thought it could be the EMG's but i have had EMG's on a wooden necked guitar and they sounded just fine but recently as i have a built in GK2A pickup i tried the roland vg8. now the vg8 should sound just fine with anything but i was still getting this harsh trebly(spelling?) zing through the sound so it must be the composite neck. i have raised/lowered the action and tried different things but it still sounds the same (no truss rod for adjustments!!!!). oh well i will just have to play music without strums or get a wooden neck of some sort. thanks again Renaldo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 18 17:29:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02653; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:29:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:29:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000218222307.25546.qmail@web107.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:23:07 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: OT: crosstalk on hex pickups To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"tukiV3.0.A57.FPShu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Phaedebk@aol.com wrote: > The RMC's are going to work out a bit better > than the Hex as they are > going to be set directly on the string, and they > aren't going to have to deal > with the amount of crosstalk which is normal for the > Hex (magnetic, GK-2a) > pickups which are out there. RMC's are hex pickups, hex piezo. GK-2a are hex inductive. Crosstalk in these hex pickups has been discussed at great length in the Roland VG-8 mailing list. Anecdotally, from what I see on the VG-8 mailing list, crosstalk seems to be reported on hex piezo's more often than hex inductive pickups. Here is one thread in the VG-8 archives that deals with one mans quest to eliminate apparent adjacent string crosstalk in a piezo equipped guitar into a VG-8: http://www.egroups.com/group/vg-8/showthread.html?start=4238 Many VG-8 posts have dealt with apparent crosstalk issues. I say apparent because some have found that what they thought was crosstalk was just brain confusion using pitch shifted patches while also hearing some acoustic sound directly from the strings. This confusion can be eliminated by listening directly to the pitch shifted sound via closed back headphones. True adjacent string crosstalk can be seen via the VG-8 individual string output level display, or tuning display. True crosstalk problems have been noted using piezos (as seen in the previously referenced VG-8 thread). You will note that some of the emails are from Richard McClish, founder of RMC. Based on his comments, clearly he has seen and studied mechanical crosstalk in hex piezo equipped instruments. Richard has also noted that because of piezo's high output impedance (~10pf), bundling 6 unbuffered piezo signals (in cables) allows for much electrical crosstalk due to cable capacitance. Buffering the piezo outputs reduces this dramatically, if not making it completely inaudible. The RMC's are noted as being an excellent pickup, albeit expensive. Some users have noted apparent crosstalk in GK-2a equipped guitars. At least one of these reports alleges he was able to eliminate the crosstalk by changing how the Gk-2a was mounted. I have used a GK-2a pickup on a Gibson 335 style guitar with no apparent crosstalk observed with a VG-8 or GR-09. I now use a GK-2a internal kit on a solid body Ibanez with no apparent crosstalk problems. I play with 2 other musicians using Gk-2a pickups solid body guitars into VG-8 systems with no apparent crosstalk. I make these comments to note that crosstalk can be confusing, can be mechanical or electrical, and may vary depending on how the hex pickups (either style) are mounted, and wired. IMO, the GK-2a is a fine, cheap hex pickup, with no inherent crosstalk issues when installed properly. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 18 23:41:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09890; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 23:41:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 23:41:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008e01bf7a91$df1f99e0$0d95f5ce@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 23:28:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01BF7A67.F64991E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"H5rt92.0.dd1.unXhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BF7A67.F64991E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each = Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #152 February 17, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on American synthesist = Michael Garrison. Tonight's Feature CD at Midnight was "Live" Volume 2 on the Windspell label. The music of Vir Unis and Saul Stokes was played to = promote their upcoming performances at the next Gathering. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:04 pm Nemesis Tango Fornax 9991 Shy Archeology = (Freeride) Frank Specht Wanderer im schwarzen Wind Sebastian Im Traum = (Invisible Shadows) Sante Cetacea Into Light (Sante = Music) Stokes Zona Washed in Mercury = (Hypnos) Vir Unis The Drift Inside The Drift Inside = (GreenHouse) Max Corbacho Quietness Vestiges (Free Records) Ma Ja Le & James Johnson Seed Live Under a Harvest = Moon (Zero Music) VA [Dogmatic] Dogmatic Sequences No. 22 12:00 am Michael Garrison Daydreams "Live" Volume 2 = (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison The Elliptical Sun "Live" Volume 2 = (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Beyond the Cosmic Horizon "Live" Volume 2 = (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison To the Other Side of the Sky "Live" Volume 2 = (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison The Search "Live" Volume 2 = (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Crystal Moon "Live" Volume 2 = (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Theme to the Earth-Star "Live" Volume 2 = (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Airborn "Live" Volume 2 = (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Everybody's Warrior "Live" Volume 2 = (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Escape "Live" Volume 2 = (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Landsdowne Cruise "Live" Volume 2 = (Windspell Music) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the American = synthesist Michael Garrison. The feature CD at Midnight will be Brave New Worlds = on the Windspell label. ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BF7A67.F64991E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On this show, I continued the = month-long focus=20 on American synthesist Michael
Garrison.  Tonight's Feature CD = at=20 Midnight was "Live" Volume 2 on the
Windspell label.  = The=20 music of Vir Unis and Saul Stokes was played to promote
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------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BF7A67.F64991E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 19 00:20:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26823; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:20:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:20:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000219050439.23705.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [152.163.206.207] From: "Zachary West" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Midi question.....?????? Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:04:39 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"JoAOq1.0.2O5.BIYhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bonus prize to who ever can simplfy these sytems..... i am trying to hook up a DJX to a Su700 through the Midi system.... I realize that the system probably needs changes in the Su700 in the input slot... but i have try to manipulate the Midi system on the Su and to avail.... there are three parameters to flip through but still the book pisses me off, and to get a different versioin would seriously help the mental cavity of what i am looking for. The book is really pissing me off. Also the averigatroron on the Djx... i cant seem to change the default of the bounce and if any additional suggestions arise... i know.... yamaha needs to work on there customer serivce.... please.... special cookie from the monster who does.... ZJW >From: "Bill Fox" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: EMUSIC Playlist >Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 23:28:57 -0500 > >"EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday >at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in >Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. > > Show #152 February 17, 2000. > >On this show, I continued the month-long focus on American synthesist >Michael >Garrison. Tonight's Feature CD at Midnight was "Live" Volume 2 on the >Windspell label. The music of Vir Unis and Saul Stokes was played to >promote >their upcoming performances at the next Gathering. > > >ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) >======================= ======================== >============================== >11:04 pm >Nemesis Tango Fornax 9991 Shy Archeology (Freeride) >Frank Specht Wanderer im schwarzen Wind Sebastian Im Traum >(Invisible Shadows) >Sante Cetacea Into Light (Sante Music) >Stokes Zona Washed in Mercury (Hypnos) >Vir Unis The Drift Inside The Drift Inside >(GreenHouse) >Max Corbacho Quietness Vestiges (Free Records) >Ma Ja Le & James Johnson Seed Live Under a Harvest Moon >(Zero Music) >VA [Dogmatic] Dogmatic Sequences No. 22 > >12:00 am >Michael Garrison Daydreams "Live" Volume 2 (Windspell >Music) >Michael Garrison The Elliptical Sun "Live" Volume 2 (Windspell >Music) >Michael Garrison Beyond the Cosmic Horizon "Live" Volume 2 (Windspell >Music) >Michael Garrison To the Other Side of the Sky "Live" Volume 2 (Windspell >Music) >Michael Garrison The Search "Live" Volume 2 (Windspell >Music) >Michael Garrison Crystal Moon "Live" Volume 2 (Windspell >Music) >Michael Garrison Theme to the Earth-Star "Live" Volume 2 (Windspell >Music) >Michael Garrison Airborn "Live" Volume 2 (Windspell >Music) >Michael Garrison Everybody's Warrior "Live" Volume 2 (Windspell >Music) >Michael Garrison Escape "Live" Volume 2 (Windspell >Music) >Michael Garrison Landsdowne Cruise "Live" Volume 2 (Windspell >Music) > >1:00 am > > * = exerpt >VA = Various Artists (compilation) > >On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the American >synthesist >Michael Garrison. The feature CD at Midnight will be Brave New Worlds on >the >Windspell label. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 19 00:37:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07097; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:37:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:37:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01bf7a99$50a5eea0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: Subject: Boss GT-3 manual online? Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:22:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"9DINN2.0.0x.4gYhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, I just learned that the used Boss GT-3 I'm expecting in the mail next week will not have the owner's manual included. Does anyone know where I can find it on the web? (Roland's website doesn't seem to have it) Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 19 09:04:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26581; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 09:04:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 09:04:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JTstudio66@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 08:59:12 EST Subject: Re: Boss GT-3 manual online? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 47 Resent-Message-ID: <"dSXuH.0.E76.Q7ghu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You can order them directly from Roland by phone, probably around $10.00 to $15.00. You can find the phone number on the RolandUS website. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 19 14:22:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22343; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:22:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:22:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 13:36:19 EST Subject: Re: OT: crosstalk on hex pickups To: echoplex@yahoo.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 33 Resent-Message-ID: <"z81h53.0.wW1.RBkhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Brett, Thanks for the correction! Though I do have to disagree with you as far as performance goes on piezo vs. magnetic relative to a GR-30, G50, and Axon AX-100SB... My main point of contention is that I've honestly had much better results with the RMC's than I have had with either the AX101 or the GK-2a pickups. Granted, it could also be an issue of personal preference, too... I really enjoy many of the "side" benefits of the RMC's on my guitar, especially the "acoustic tone" which is generated if you blend the magnetic pickups totally out. In the end, with the RMC's the majour advantage I've experienced has been with far superiour tracking; less note drop outs, less warbling, less note volume spikes, etc. relative to the inductive version of pickups out there. Haven't really tried out a VG-8 just yet... (To be honest, I've never really seen the use, as I'm happy playing a doubleneck in order to get a decent 12 string sound.) Liked yutzing around with the different "pickup" configuration designs and sounds, but that was about it. I'm probably repeating myself, but the one thing that I can easily say using just the GR-30 as a test bed is that with a GK-2a and RMC's on the same guitar is that the RMC's do a much better job as far as tracking goes. About the only thing which is semi-ouched on the RMC's is the price and the fact that they won't go into every guitar out there. Where I have to totally agree with you is when you make the point of saying that the Roland GK-2a is a worthwhile less expensive way to go in order to get into the synthesizer guitar field. Something about their ability to be mounted on just about any instrument out there. All in all, the important thing is that there are lots of choices out there for this "instrument." Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 19 15:55:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31089; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:55:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:55:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000219200912.73502.qmail@hotmail.com> Cc: recipient list not shown: ; X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.85] From: "Greg S" References: <200001270434.XAA08765@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> <20000127201553.75499.qmail@hotmail.com> <38918DB0.8A1EE00@stevens-tech.edu> <000a01bf698d$3cbd3000$9013083d@dennis> <20000129002607.914.qmail@hotmail.com> <003d01bf6a02$677eb820$c913083d@dennis> Subject: GR-30 for auction Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:09:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"Q24ZP1.0.IZ2.9Ylhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Selling my GR-30. Perfect condition. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=264744024 Opening bid $300. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 19 18:06:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19102; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 18:06:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 18:06:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.20000219225749.006c47d4@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: lerocher@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 17:57:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Christine Bard Subject: belated Headrush opine/veiled query Resent-Message-ID: <"AMJCk.0.7-3.h0ohu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -------Javier Miranda wrote:--------------- >Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:24:53 -0800 >From: "Javier Miranda V." >To: >Subject: RE: Akai Headrush review >Message-ID: > > | options) will be put through it's paces by a dedicated loophead. >You meant "...will be put through its paces by..." > >Looking forward to reading the review... > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: K. Douglas Baldwin [mailto:dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us] > | Sent: Monday 28 June 1999 10:55 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com > | Subject: Akai Headrush review > | Mr. Miranda's musings about the possessive form of a neuter noun re-opened a subject heading that I missed the first time around: user reviews of the Akai Headrush. Probably no one thinks this is news, but, possibly, someone has resolved some of my problems with the differences between the modal functions with the pedal. I find myself recommending it, but always with some caveats. (Which go well with a good Stilton) Anyway, here are both of my 2 cents: First, its a very useful box with which I can create great dimension in sounds with the tape head delay feature. I can make one percussive hit evolve into a cavernous big boom through timed tape head settings. The digital Loop mode is brilliant, as well. The problems I have encountered involve the difference between the (ultra clean, clear) signal in the Loop mode and the Tape Echo mode (less pronounced, but still and issue, in the Delay mode.) It is a difference that has been so profound that a seperate sound/ level check is required for the two extremes. I therefore cannot swing between these functions without causing extreme volume/clarity shifts in the output. (I have to set my mixer and compresser to different settings. eg., I need a lot of gain on the Tape Echo setting and then no gain in the Loop mode. Eq must be different for the same instrument, as well. This means that I have to think about my instrumentation and orchestration in terms of working around this issue. This translates as a limitation.) Also, the sound person might protectively back off my entire signal if this discrepancy is discovered--even during the performance, so that when I return to the lower echo/delay signal output, my sound will be buried. Outside of the Loop Moode, the sound regeneration is grainy/murky. It is supposed to sound like an "analogue" tape player -- but it is a model of an analogue tape player that needs a thorough head cleaning. That can be worked with, somewhat, with eq and instrumentation/pedal sequence choices, so the Headrush is a great pedal to have. Best regards, Christine Bard Christine Bard 0~>~<>~><~<>~<~0 I replaced the headlights in my car with strobe lights. Now it looks like I'm the only one moving. -Steven Wright From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 20 00:58:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29898; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:58:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:58:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: Korg D8; Extra HDD Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 21:36:26 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01bf78b5$526dbb40$c3114f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"srNO4.0.ew5.33uhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anybody knows what kind of HDD and how to hook it up to Korg D8? 1.6 GB is too tiny. I need some extra room. I heard that you can hook up an extra HDD, but it's got to be stand-alone, with its own electricity, etc. If anybody has had experience with this, please pass it on. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 20 02:05:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25418; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 02:05:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 02:05:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010301bf7b0a$c7f0ce00$a7351ecb@ppp.mtx.net.au> From: "Dennis Longstaff" To: Subject: hi Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 05:23:40 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0100_01BF7B62.A5FE9680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Nk1203.0._S5.U_uhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0100_01BF7B62.A5FE9680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy We are seeking business contacts, Trade leads , for Australian = Aboriginal Art related products. In particular we are seeking Store owners, distributors and Importers. Didgeridoos,artefacts,paintings by some of Australias more prominant, = Aboriginal Artists. Thanks dennis Longstaff Corroboree Exports Australia http://corrobex.com ------=_NextPart_000_0100_01BF7B62.A5FE9680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Didgeridoos,artefacts,paintings by some of  = Australias=20 more prominant, Aboriginal Artists.
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<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0100_01BF7B62.A5FE9680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 20 02:55:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13648; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 02:55:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 02:55:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 23:48:58 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: DJ'ed In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5LyCP1.0.DF2.Spvhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:46 PM -0800 2/17/00, Mats Eriksson (ECS) wrote: >Well, >I must definitely have the earliest software on the OB plex (don't know >which one yet, have to check it out, bought it secondhand). Because this >(as you described below) just doesn't work. Jam Man does it (sync out) but >you can't do it in echo/delay mode, which I m after. At least not with >original software. Hi Mats- All of the echoplex software versions ever released had this function, and it is very easy to use. Are you sure you had Sync set to Out? also, on the echoplex sync works the same in delay mode as it does in loop mode. (as does pretty much every other feature.) kim > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] >Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 6:09 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: RE: DJ'ed > > >At 6:46 AM -0800 2/17/00, Mats Eriksson (ECS) wrote: >>Ohh sorry, I meant the other way around: >>Whatever sample, loop I make, it should generate a MIDI clock OUT based on >>the looping points, instantly. > >both the echoplex and the jamman have midi clock sync in and out. They work >just like you want. > >>And then you should be able to subdivide, or multiply by that PBM. >> >>Thats my problem with Jam Man and Echoplex. They're only able to DIVIDE it >>down, once you've set >>the loop points or echo/delay points. Once it sends out a clock, one >>should be able to MULTIPLY the >>echo/delay or loop point on Jam Man/Exhoplex without changing the MIDI >>clock out to, let's say a drum machine. Then the drum machine would play a >>8 bar, but you put in a 16 or 32 bar loop that will stay in place >>regardless, and not drift out of time after 64 bars... >or more interesting, >>a triplet of that, to create polyrhythmical lines... >>/mats > >This is exactly how the OB echoplex works for midi sync! For example, if >you have a loop playing and sending out midi clock, you can use the >multiply function to make it some multiple number longer. (2x, 3x, 4x, 27x, >whatever.) The midi clock stays the same, based on the basic loop length >you started with. But your loop is now multiplied longer. > >You use the 8ths/beat parameter to set how long your basic cycle is in >relation to the midi clock. (2 bars, for example). This basically sets the >tempo for you. > >If you sync to midi clock in, this multiplying happens automatically. So if >have it set for 8-beats/2bar loops, and you leave the loop record going >longer than 2 bars, it automatically notes the 2 bar point as your basic >cycle and begins doing that multiply function for you automatically. >(you'll see the multiple display count up as 2 bars passes, in this case.) >Whenever you end the record, it finishes up the current cycle. In this way, >you can easily record long loops in sync to midi clock. It's very flexible >and totally designed for this live, real-time sort of use. The machine >takes care of everything for you and makes it very simple to use. > >And in the next software version, we will revolutionize sync with some >really great new ideas! ;-) > >kim > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie [mailto:johnmcc@aldiscon.ie] >>Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 3:33 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: DJ'ed >> >> >> >>> I have waited (too!) long for a looping device that sends MIDI clocks to >>whatever sample you've made ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 20 03:03:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16315; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 03:03:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 03:03:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002d01bf7b78$b40e6f00$64f538cb@oemcomputer> From: "Steven Woods" To: References: <010301bf7b0a$c7f0ce00$a7351ecb@ppp.mtx.net.au> Subject: Re: hi Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:01:27 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01BF7BD4.E398FA40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"du5r23.0.tf3.awvhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BF7BD4.E398FA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are you people on Looper's having trouble with unsolicited mail?=20 It just keeps coming. Steven ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dennis Longstaff=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 5:53 AM Subject: hi Howdy We are seeking business contacts, Trade leads , for Australian = Aboriginal Art related products. In particular we are seeking Store owners, distributors and Importers. Didgeridoos,artefacts,paintings by some of Australias more prominant, = Aboriginal Artists. Thanks dennis Longstaff Corroboree Exports Australia http://corrobex.com ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BF7BD4.E398FA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Are you people on Looper's having = trouble with=20 unsolicited mail?
It just keeps coming.
Steven
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Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 = 5:53=20 AM
Subject: hi

Howdy
We are seeking business contacts, = Trade leads=20 , for Australian Aboriginal Art related products.
In particular we are seeking Store = owners,=20 distributors and Importers.
Didgeridoos,artefacts,paintings by some of  = Australias=20 more prominant, Aboriginal Artists.
Thanks dennis = Longstaff
Corroboree Exports = Australia
http://corrobex.com
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BF7BD4.E398FA40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 20 04:16:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10782; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 04:16:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 04:16:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003301bf7b1d$7978ef60$8f351ecb@ppp.mtx.net.au> From: "Dennis Longstaff" To: Subject: Re: hi Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 07:38:29 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01BF7B75.7B3DC8E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"MIv3z2.0.Fx1.eywhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BF7B75.7B3DC8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What does your message mean? -----Original Message----- From: Steven Woods To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, 20 February 2000 7:17 Subject: Re: hi =20 =20 Are you people on Looper's having trouble with unsolicited mail?=20 It just keeps coming. Steven ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dennis Longstaff=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 5:53 AM Subject: hi =20 =20 Howdy We are seeking business contacts, Trade leads , for Australian = Aboriginal Art related products. In particular we are seeking Store owners, distributors and = Importers. Didgeridoos,artefacts,paintings by some of Australias more = prominant, Aboriginal Artists. Thanks dennis Longstaff Corroboree Exports Australia http://corrobex.com ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BF7B75.7B3DC8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What does your message = mean?
-----Original = Message-----
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T= o:=20 Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com=20 <Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com>
Date:=20 Sunday, 20 February 2000 7:17
Subject: Re:=20 hi

Are you people on Looper's having = trouble with=20 unsolicited mail?
It just keeps coming.
Steven
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From:=20 Dennis=20 Longstaff
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Sent: Sunday, February = 20, 2000=20 5:53 AM
Subject: hi

Howdy
We are seeking business = contacts, Trade=20 leads , for Australian Aboriginal Art related = products.
In particular we are seeking = Store=20 owners, distributors and Importers.
Didgeridoos,artefacts,paintings by some = of =20 Australias more prominant, Aboriginal Artists.
Thanks dennis = Longstaff
Corroboree Exports=20 Australia
http://corrobex.com
------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BF7B75.7B3DC8E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 20 04:26:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17864; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 04:26:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 04:26:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 01:21:52 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: hi In-reply-to: <002d01bf7b78$b40e6f00$64f538cb@oemcomputer> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <010301bf7b0a$c7f0ce00$a7351ecb@ppp.mtx.net.au> Resent-Message-ID: <"PiCpa1.0.HT3.3Axhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The list is set so nobody can post unless they are subscribed to the list. Which makes spamming the list mostly impossible except for the truly dedicated spammer. This particular mail is from somebody who actually subscribed to the list to post it. I guess he's not quite clear on what the list topic is. Of course, many people who post here all the time don't seem to know what the list topic is either. :-) kim At 12:01 AM -0800 2/20/00, Steven Woods wrote: > Are you people on Looper's having trouble with unsolicited mail? It >just keeps coming. Steven > > ----- Original Message ----- From: >Dennis Longstaff To: >Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 5:53 >AM Subject: hi > Howdy We are seeking business contacts, Trade leads , for >Australian Aboriginal Art related products. In particular we are seeking >Store owners, distributors and Importers. >Didgeridoos,artefacts,paintings by some of Australias more prominant, >Aboriginal Artists. Thanks dennis Longstaff Corroboree Exports >Australia http://corrobex.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 20 05:18:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02087; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 05:18:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 05:18:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001101bf7b8b$5b253960$86f538cb@oemcomputer> From: "Steven Woods" To: References: <003301bf7b1d$7978ef60$8f351ecb@ppp.mtx.net.au> Subject: Re: hi Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:15:02 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF7BE7.8D4DA100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"yKFrv3.0.g_7.dtxhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF7BE7.8D4DA100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We received an email which said we could receive spam from the loopers = mail list I don't know if that still applies but I have had a few come = through this afternoon Steven ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dennis Longstaff=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 8:08 AM Subject: Re: hi What does your message mean? -----Original Message----- From: Steven Woods To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, 20 February 2000 7:17 Subject: Re: hi Are you people on Looper's having trouble with unsolicited mail?=20 It just keeps coming. Steven ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dennis Longstaff=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 5:53 AM Subject: hi Howdy We are seeking business contacts, Trade leads , for Australian = Aboriginal Art related products. In particular we are seeking Store owners, distributors and = Importers. Didgeridoos,artefacts,paintings by some of Australias more = prominant, Aboriginal Artists. Thanks dennis Longstaff Corroboree Exports Australia http://corrobex.com ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF7BE7.8D4DA100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We received an email which said we = could receive=20 spam from the loopers mail list I don't know if that still applies but I = have=20 had a few come through this afternoon
Steven
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Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 = 8:08=20 AM
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What does your message = mean?
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From:=20 Steven Woods <swoods@comcen.com.au>
T= o:=20 Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com=20 <Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com>
Date:=20 Sunday, 20 February 2000 7:17
Subject: Re:=20 hi

Are you people on Looper's having = trouble with=20 unsolicited mail?
It just keeps coming.
Steven
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Dennis=20 Longstaff
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com= =20
Sent: Sunday, February 20, = 2000 5:53=20 AM
Subject: hi

Howdy
We are seeking business = contacts, Trade=20 leads , for Australian Aboriginal Art related = products.
In particular we are seeking = Store owners,=20 distributors and Importers.
Didgeridoos,artefacts,paintings by some = of =20 Australias more prominant, Aboriginal Artists.
Thanks dennis = Longstaff
Corroboree Exports = Australia
http://corrobex.com
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF7BE7.8D4DA100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 20 07:32:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25878; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 07:32:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 07:32:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.15d7074.25e13411@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 07:12:01 EST Subject: Re: Korg D8; Extra HDD To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"ldHtE1.0.ry3.zezhu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << Anybody know what kind of HDD and how to hook it up to Korg D8? >> I've installed 4.3 gig drives in Korg D-8's and Roland VS-880's, replacing the originals. An external SCSI drive should work as well. Probably not "wide SCSI" or "ultra-wide SCSI" though. let me know if I can fix you up, hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 20 11:09:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16101; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:09:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:09:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B08A58.C216A5A8@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:44:08 -0800 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DJing...... References: <950806769.webexpressdV2.1.3@mail.u.genie.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_2ukZ.0.ti1.Nt0iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the url is http://www.redsound.com Claude Graham wrote: > > Check out www.redsystems.com > With the yoyager you can get MIDI clock to sync up EDP's etc direct from > > your turntables! > Got to be good > > ; name="" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 > > LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLTA3MzU5MjI3MTcxMTU3 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 20 11:22:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19338; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:22:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:22:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000220161740.71671.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.115] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: hi Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 08:17:40 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"qCGML2.0.EO4.5F1iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yes, I don't like it and tell them to -uck off. >From: "Steven Woods" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: hi >Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:01:27 +1100 > >Are you people on Looper's having trouble with unsolicited mail? >It just keeps coming. >Steven > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dennis Longstaff > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 5:53 AM > Subject: hi > > > Howdy > We are seeking business contacts, Trade leads , for Australian >Aboriginal Art related products. > In particular we are seeking Store owners, distributors and Importers. > Didgeridoos,artefacts,paintings by some of Australias more prominant, >Aboriginal Artists. > Thanks dennis Longstaff > Corroboree Exports Australia > http://corrobex.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 20 11:47:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31438; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:47:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:47:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9e.15d7074.25e13411@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:44:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Korg D8; Extra HDD Resent-Message-ID: <"u45eE2.0.wB7.vZ1iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Interesting. I called Korg and was told the internal drive was "proprietary" and that fitting a new internal drive was impossible. Hmph. I would have greatly preferred internal at the time (no longer have the D-8). But an external 4.3 gig purchased from Club Mac worked wonderfully. No technical expertise necessary, just a SCSI cable. I don't think the D-8 can format more than 4 megs, so don't waste money on a huge drive. But that's something like 70 minutes of 8-track time. Oh yeah, you can connect more than one drive if you're really greedy.... David Myers ><< Anybody know what kind of HDD and how to hook it up to Korg D8? >> > >I've installed 4.3 gig drives in Korg D-8's and Roland VS-880's, replacing >the originals. An external SCSI drive should work as well. Probably not >"wide SCSI" or "ultra-wide SCSI" though. > >let me know if I can fix you up, > hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 20 12:57:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30942; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:57:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:57:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B02C60.2271@club-internet.fr> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:03:12 +0100 From: patrick Midot Reply-To: vik@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: leni stern Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EIMoB1.0.356.Mc2iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com any one got a copy of the guitar player issue (about 2 yrs ago) with an extensive leni stern interview & master class? scan or photocopies of the article most welcome! thanks patrick. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 20 12:57:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31027; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:57:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:57:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: hi Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 09:33:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002d01bf7b78$b40e6f00$64f538cb@oemcomputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"a7kBP1.0.K46.Hc2iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's the price of fame... -----Original Message----- From: Steven Woods [mailto:swoods@comcen.com.au] Sent: Sunday 20 February 2000 12:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: hi Are you people on Looper's having trouble with unsolicited mail? It just keeps coming. Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Longstaff To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 5:53 AM Subject: hi Howdy We are seeking business contacts, ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 20 14:13:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28272; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 14:13:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 14:13:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B037BA.2E7E7350@pop.agri.ch> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:51:39 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: jamman & EPD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C42FC2BE507DFF1C51915B3A" Resent-Message-ID: <"vKtUf3.0.PL5.rW3iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. --------------C42FC2BE507DFF1C51915B3A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello i'm working with a jamman but want to buy an (additional) echoplex. is anyone experienced in synchronicing the two loop machines? jes=FAs --------------C42FC2BE507DFF1C51915B3A Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="j-turino.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Visitenkarte fŸr Jesœs Turi–o Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="j-turino.vcf" begin:vcard n:Turiño ;Jesús tel;fax:+41 41 761 33 91 (G) tel;home:+41 41 210 39 69 tel;work:+41 41 761 26 42 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.i45.ch org:i45 Zug adr:;;Waldstätterstrasse 16;Luzern;Luzern;6003;Switzerland version:2.1 email;internet:j-turino@pop.agri.ch x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Jesús Turiño end:vcard --------------C42FC2BE507DFF1C51915B3A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 20 17:23:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10048; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 17:23:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 17:23:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005f01bf7bef$c6b7d5c0$3e1e5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "New Age Voice" , "New Age Voice" Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Report to NAV for February Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 17:13:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"v1pM_2.0.cT1.tV6iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice for February, 2000. 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Heave (Marketing Director) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 20 23:27:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09402; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:27:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:27:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:06:01 -0800 From: "mark givens" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: peavy filter X-Sender-Ip: 38.26.130.2 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FZP6W1.0.zZ7.LdBiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --dear list: What about the Peavey filter that was reviewed in Keyboard 4 years ago ? is it still in production? On Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:23:50 Larry Tremblay wrote: >Like unearthly, f*cked up noise, in a good way >(I think) > >- Larry >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Chovit" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 3:47 PM >Subject: Re: The Sherman Filterbank > > >> >> >>- is it noisy? >> > >> >yes. very, very noisy. >> > >> >> That't too bad! It was sounding so good up to this point....can you >> elaborate on the noise? THanks! >> >> - chris >> >> > > -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 02:04:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18513; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 02:04:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 02:04:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.1c7bea9.25e23908@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 01:45:28 EST Subject: Re: Korg D8; Extra HDD To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"g6auO3.0.2Q2.iyDiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << Interesting. I called Korg and was told the internal drive was "proprietary" and that fitting a new internal drive was impossible.>> Funny, that's exactly what Roland said when their VS-880 came out with a 540 meg hard drive. But I upgraded mine to 4.3 gig anyway (and several others on the VS-880 list). Check it out: I believe those discussions and my instructions are kept in some little FAQ archive now, since I regularly get email from people still wanting to do that upgrade themselves. My "15 minutes of fame". ;-) A little more complicated job than the Korg D-8, though. You have an internal SCSI bus and an EIDE bus available to you in the Rolands and a drive bay that will hold a 3.5" drive. The problem is, the power supply won't tolerate any drive that draws more than 10 amps (more or less) on startup. So the 2.5" Toshiba drives I bought from Siliconel were the perfect solution. And that doesn't always happen. BTW, Javier: the D-8 upgrade is a piece a cake. If it takes you ten minutes, you're movin' awful slow. ;-) hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 04:30:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08906; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 04:30:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 04:30:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001d01bf7c47$f60f8e00$40348218@we.mediaone.net> From: "MediaOne" To: "Loopers List" Subject: EDP and Midi sync with software Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:45:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"lJmtb.0.Xu5._fFiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am looking to see if anyone on the list has done work with syncing their edp with software such as Acid in their computers?Will the edp sync with a midi clock in progress? I'm also interested to see how you all do it yourselves- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 08:08:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30835; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:08:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:08:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <073C734BD702D311A0E90001FA7E0947FCC685@letterbox.kscl.com> From: Anthony Mullen To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com, "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Sample accurate sync on a laptop Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:15:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"9QUqD1.0.bF2.tqIiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone know if this is possible with laptop soundcards - i.e. wordclock? Thanks Anthony Legal Disclaimer : This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the sender by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. The opinions expressed in this message are those of the sender and not those of KSCL. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 09:59:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15743; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:59:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:59:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: EDP and Midi sync with software Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:55:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001d01bf7c47$f60f8e00$40348218@we.mediaone.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"5M26V2.0.t52.R4Liu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I am looking to see if anyone on the list has done work with syncing their > edp with software such as Acid in their computers?Will the edp sync with a > midi clock in progress? I'm also interested to see how you all do it > yourselves- I haven't synched it with any PC apps (yet). But I synch it to a midi clock all the time, live. We use a groovebox for rhythm, take the midi clock out into one EDP (the other guy's) and then run it into my EDP. Now all of our loops are synched to the groovebox and each other (but not necessarily the same length). If you set the proper settings on the EDP, it is really easy to see that you are synched... -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 10:18:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21363; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:18:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:18:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000221100159.007a9330@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:01:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: looping electronic percussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_1Jlq3.0.9v3.ACLiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've asked this before, but since the listmember subscribershipness is in constant flux, maybe someone has an idea... I'm playing with a percussionist who's developed a severe case of loop-envy. We generally play as a duo and he has to sit there on his hydraulic-pneumatic drum throne stuck in one layer of real time while I get to have all the looping fun. What he'd like to do is to put triggers on his acoustic kit to control a drum module (probably an Alesis D4) which he'd then run to an as-yet unspecified looper. Since money IS an object, he's looking at either a Headrush or a DL4, which leads to the crux of the biscuit: Do any of you have any ideas for a way to modify the switches on either of these units so they could be stick-controlled? As a kit drummer, his feet are too busy to deal with a stompbox. I suppose he could mount the looper between his floor toms and hit the switches with the heel of his right hand, but it would be particularly cool to have a couple of pads in the kit that would serve as switches to start and stop the loop when hit with a drumstick. We've got an old Yamaha DD-5 sitting there; the sounds are horrible, but it's got 4 pads and a MIDI out. Since neither the Headrush nor the DL4 are MIDI, can anyone suggest an affordable hardware interface solution that would allow the DD-5 pads to replace the switches? Or would it make more sense to rig up some sort of mechanical stick-activated switches? Ideas? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 11:15:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16099; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:15:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:15:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Alan Barnard" To: Subject: RE: looping electronic percussion Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 07:44:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000221100159.007a9330@pop.ici.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"lmTzr.0.oF.OrLiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, My suggestion would be to set the loop pedal next to his hi-hat pedal. If he has a remote hi hat, he might run it in the closed position to free up his left foot for "stomping" - shouldn't be a problem. I have a DL4 and love it. It's pretty basic, but is built like a tank and is very user friendly. As a percussionist my needs are not nearly as complex as a guitarist's might be... Hope this helps. Best regards, Alan. ________________________________ Alan Barnard Digital Drummer/Percussionist e-drums@pacbell.net http://www.kiene.com/epercussion > Do any of you have any ideas for a way to modify the switches on either of > these units so they could be stick-controlled? As a kit drummer, his feet > are too busy to deal with a stompbox. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 12:16:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13984; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:16:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:16:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Korg D8; Extra HDD Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:03:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <9c.1c7bea9.25e23908@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"wg5Xv3.0.EE2.E0Niu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK. I'll go find this stuff. Thank you very much, dude. Javier | -----Original Message----- | From: Hawkeye255@aol.com [mailto:Hawkeye255@aol.com] | Sent: Sunday 20 February 2000 10:45 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Korg D8; Extra HDD | | | << Interesting. I called Korg and was told the internal drive was | "proprietary" and that fitting a new internal drive was impossible.>> | | Funny, that's exactly what Roland said when their VS-880 | came out with a | 540 meg hard drive. But I upgraded mine to 4.3 gig anyway (and several | others on the VS-880 list). Check it out: I believe those | discussions and my | instructions are kept in some little FAQ archive now, since I | regularly get | email from people still wanting to do that upgrade themselves. My "15 | minutes of fame". ;-) A little more complicated job than the | Korg D-8, | though. You have an internal SCSI bus and an EIDE bus | available to you in | the Rolands and a drive bay that will hold a 3.5" drive. The | problem is, the | power supply won't tolerate any drive that draws more than 10 | amps (more or | less) on startup. So the 2.5" Toshiba drives I bought from | Siliconel were | the perfect solution. And that doesn't always happen. BTW, | Javier: the D-8 | upgrade is a piece a cake. If it takes you ten minutes, you're | movin' awful | slow. ;-) | hawkeye | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 13:22:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12662; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:22:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:22:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:11:01 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, CT-Collective@onelist.com Subject: My link to the Loop Exchange had an error in it! This is the correct link below. Sorry for the error Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id NAA08775 Resent-Message-ID: <"H602V1.0.W92.E_Niu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My link to the Loop Exchange had an error in it! This is the correct link below. Sorry for the error... -Miko http://www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/ct.html or just: http://www.loopxchange.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 14:26:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13456; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:26:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:26:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B1FACB.305C4242@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:56:11 -0800 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: EDP delay time question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"al4T.0.XI1.uvOiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim,Loopers I'm playing around vith veryvery small delay times (eg granular ) and was wondering what is the smallest delay time we can get when trigering the record function from midi (record mode : sus) it is probably something related to sampling rate mm? kim's post that triggered my experiments... http://www.annihilist.com/loop/LDarchive/200002/msg00016.html greetings Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 15:34:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13054; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:34:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:34:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <035001bf7ca7$9df9f510$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: EDP delay time question Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:09:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"oKGtd1.0.7V.wnPiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I'm playing around vith veryvery small delay times (eg granular ) >and was wondering what is the smallest delay time we can get when >trigering the record function from midi (record mode : sus) Interesting question. My guess is that the minimum time is determined by the MIDI transmission rate. I.e., how fast can you send a record start/stop to the EDP via MIDI. If so, I think it is about 3.84 millisecs. My calculations follow: MIDI transmit rate = 31.25 Kb/sec = 31250 bits/sec Note On message = 3 bytes (1 status + 2 data bytes) Note Off message= 3 bytes EDP record start/stop = Note On + Note Off + Note On + Note Off = 12 bytes MIDI transmits each byte as 10 bits. therefore, EDP record start/stop = 120 bits. EDP record start/stop Transmit time = ( 120 bits / (31250 bits/sec)) = 3.84 milliseconds. Of course, Kim might tell us that the EDP stops recording as soon as it sees the second Note On message, in which case the minimum would be: ( 90 bits / (31250 bits/sec)) = 2.88 milliseconds. I'm assuming the EDP can recognize and act upon the Note On message instantly. But I was never good at arithmetic... Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 15:50:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21104; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:50:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:50:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B22019.116B8080@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:35:21 -0800 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP delay time question References: <035001bf7ca7$9df9f510$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vENwf.0.tc4.TEQiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Denis I think its smaller edp can (with rec mode :sus) rec and out on 1 note on/off and understands running status wich makes 5 midi bytes wich if I follow you makes 50bits / (31250 bits/sec)=1.6 ms something aproaching d#4 hard to tell but the notes seemed higher than that ... but granular synth. is so "painful" after a while so my ears are perhaps wrong I'm very impressed by the strongness of the plex software that can hold such fast burst of evenements without a glitch .... Claude "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > > Interesting question. My guess is that the minimum time is determined by the > MIDI transmission rate. I.e., how fast can you send a record start/stop to the > EDP via MIDI. If so, I think it is about 3.84 millisecs. My calculations > follow: > > MIDI transmit rate = 31.25 Kb/sec = 31250 bits/sec > > Note On message = 3 bytes (1 status + 2 data bytes) > Note Off message= 3 bytes > EDP record start/stop = Note On + Note Off + Note On + Note Off = 12 bytes > > MIDI transmits each byte as 10 bits. > therefore, EDP record start/stop = 120 bits. > > EDP record start/stop Transmit time = ( 120 bits / (31250 bits/sec)) = 3.84 > milliseconds. > > Of course, Kim might tell us that the EDP stops recording as soon as it sees the > second Note On message, in which case the minimum would be: > > ( 90 bits / (31250 bits/sec)) = 2.88 milliseconds. > > I'm assuming the EDP can recognize and act upon the Note On message instantly. > > But I was never good at arithmetic... > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 16:03:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31856; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:03:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:03:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DF88@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Musical gear for sale Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:57:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"gWDfn3.0.H77.rRQiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, if anyone is interested, I have the following for sale. I'll probably post on ebay or digibid, but thought I'd post to the list first: Sony A6 DAT recorder, about 2 years old,,spdif in/outs, front loading,etc........$make offer Carver autoreverse cassette deck...$no one really wants a tape deck anymore,I'll probably keep it, but just in case Seagull A6 cedar acoustic w/ case, less than 6 month's old,nice,.......$make offer Jackson Stealthex electric with Seymour Duncan JB humbucker,3 hb pickups, blue,etc.....$make offer Boston Acoustic a40 speakers...$make offer a night out on the town with my grandma.....$19.99 or highest bidder takes all Most of this stuff, you can see at http://www.dtguitar.com under photos,let me know if interested and your offer. Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle [mailto:mbiffle@svg.com] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 12:35 PM To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com; mattdavignon@hotmail.com; CT-Collective@onelist.com Subject: Re: [CT-Collective] going to LD Greetings fellow loopers... About a year ago a number of us here at Loopers Delight initiated a "Chain Tape" project and physically mailed a cassette around the world, adding loop recordings as it traveled. That became a 4 cd compilation called Chain Tape 1. We've gone on to two other projects: a 75 second "miniatures" project with 24 involved; and a "Found Sound" project which was just completed. It can be downloaded at Morgan Hamilton Lang's "Loop Exchange" site... http://music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/ct.html We've gone one to create a mailing list 30+ people strong (so far) for the purpose of recording compilation - collaboration CD's for low cost. These CD's are often themed, and are fun and useful in the exchange of musical ideas, talents, and inspiration. If you would like to find out about, participate in, or help in arranging such collaborations. We'd love to have you here! For those of you worried about too much email... The main CT-Collective list is not nearly as busy as Loopers Delight... At this point we're open to various forms of media: cassette, dat, audio data files, and I believe we'll be mini-disc capable soon as well. Mastering, duping and artwork is usually handled with volunteers within the project group. At the end of the project we ante up any mailing, duping costs and then receive our cd's. (Usually well below the $20 mark...) We've also begun mailing all our submissions directly to the mastering volunteer in parallel in order to speed turnaround time on projects. Here's all the pertinent info for anyone interested in becoming part of any future recording projects as well as proposing your own... Post message: CT-Collective@onelist.com Subscribe: CT-Collective-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: CT-Collective-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: CT-Collective-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/CT-Collective Best regards, -Miko Biffle From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 16:49:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20996; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:49:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:49:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d301bf7cb5$3fbb2f60$ae4badce@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <200002212052.PAA22427@fb02.eng00.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: FS: 2 DigiTech Rackmount RDS Delays Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:47:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"KY8LX3.0.wT4.b6Riu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll consider trades as well, but prefer cash. - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "c.white" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 2:52 AM Subject: Re: FS: 2 DigiTech Rackmount RDS Delays > are you doing trades as well? > regards > c. > ---------- > >From: "Larry Tremblay" > >To: "Looper's Delight" > >Subject: FS: 2 DigiTech Rackmount RDS Delays > >Date: Mon, Feb 21, 2000, 4:27 PM > > > > >I have to make some room around here, so I'm selling > >a few things. I have references galore. > > > >* Digitech RDS 3600 Digital Delay - $150 + shipping > >This is a somewhat rare piece. It's a lot > >like the RDS 7.6, except that the max delay > >time is switchable between three modes: > >1.9, 3.6, and 7.2 sec's. > > > >The usual inputs (TRIGGER/REPEAT, VCO IN, etc), and > >outputs(Dry, Mix, PHASE). > > > >Excellent looper delay in good shape. > > > >* Digitech RDS 3.6 Digital Delay - $135 + shipping > >Same as above, except the max delay time is 3.6 sec's > >In excellent condition too. > > > >Thanks, > >- Larry Tremblay > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 17:15:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32554; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:15:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:15:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:08:47 -0500 (EST) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: MM4 reviews? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"sZInV3.0.OT7.8URiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com while I know it's not strictly looping, I was wondering if anyone has tried the Line 6 MM4 an what they think about it... thanks, Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 17:47:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15938; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:47:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:47:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000221224113.60842.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [CT-Collective] going to LD Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:41:13 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"rvLZm2.0.rO3.pyRiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: "Mike Biffle" >Greetings fellow loopers... >We've gone on to two other projects: a 75 second "miniatures" project with >24 involved; and a "Found Sound" project which was just completed. It can >be downloaded at Morgan Hamilton Lang's "Loop Exchange" site... > >http://music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/ct.html don't foget the www! so that's http://www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/ct.html or you can just use the shortcut: www.loopxchange.com >At the end of the project we ante up any mailing, duping costs and >then >receive our cd's. (Usually well below the $20 mark...) Actually, the cost for participants on the "Found Sound" CD project was just $1.62 per CD plus postage! Since we split up the fees and have volunteers do the burning, artwork, and labels, the resulting compilation CD that you get costs way less than most compilation CD's that you can buy. (Don't forget the added bonus that you will be in contact with all the musicians on the CD from working with them!) Matt Davignon p.s. here's the signup information again: > Post message: CT-Collective@onelist.com > Subscribe: CT-Collective-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: CT-Collective-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: CT-Collective-owner@onelist.com > >Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/CT-Collective ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 17:42:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14072; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:42:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:42:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000a01bf7cbc$8ee60b80$f07279a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Musical gear for sale Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:39:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"zZn2o2.0.-y2.2uRiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi- I need your address- I will be sending payment for the last item on your list- please have it washed and ready to sweat- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Taaffe, Denis G To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Monday, February 21, 2000 1:20 PM Subject: Musical gear for sale >Hello, > > if anyone is interested, I have the following for sale. I'll >probably post on ebay or digibid, but thought I'd post to the list first: > >Sony A6 DAT recorder, about 2 years old,,spdif in/outs, front >loading,etc........$make offer > >Carver autoreverse cassette deck...$no one really wants a tape deck >anymore,I'll probably keep it, but just in case > >Seagull A6 cedar acoustic w/ case, less than 6 month's old,nice,.......$make >offer > >Jackson Stealthex electric with Seymour Duncan JB humbucker,3 hb pickups, >blue,etc.....$make offer > >Boston Acoustic a40 speakers...$make offer > >a night out on the town with my grandma.....$19.99 or highest bidder takes >all > > >Most of this stuff, you can see at http://www.dtguitar.com under photos,let >me know if interested and your offer. > >Thanks >Denis > >Denis Taaffe >denis_aliengtr@geocities.com >http://www.dtguitar.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike Biffle [mailto:mbiffle@svg.com] >Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 12:35 PM >To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com; mattdavignon@hotmail.com; >CT-Collective@onelist.com >Subject: Re: [CT-Collective] going to LD > > >Greetings fellow loopers... > >About a year ago a number of us here at Loopers Delight initiated a "Chain >Tape" project and physically mailed a cassette around the world, adding loop >recordings as it traveled. That became a 4 cd compilation called Chain Tape >1. We've gone on to two other projects: a 75 second "miniatures" project >with 24 involved; and a "Found Sound" project which was just completed. It >can be downloaded at Morgan Hamilton Lang's "Loop Exchange" site... > >http://music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/ct.html > >We've gone one to create a mailing list 30+ people strong (so far) for the >purpose of recording compilation - collaboration CD's for low cost. These >CD's are often themed, and are fun and useful in the exchange of musical >ideas, talents, and inspiration. If you would like to find out about, >participate in, or help in arranging such collaborations. We'd love to have >you here! For those of you worried about too much email... The main >CT-Collective list is not nearly as busy as Loopers Delight... > >At this point we're open to various forms of media: cassette, dat, audio >data files, and I believe we'll be mini-disc capable soon as well. >Mastering, duping and artwork is usually handled with volunteers within the >project group. At the end of the project we ante up any mailing, duping >costs and then receive our cd's. (Usually well below the $20 mark...) We've >also begun mailing all our submissions directly to the mastering volunteer >in parallel in order to speed turnaround time on projects. > >Here's all the pertinent info for anyone interested in becoming part of any >future recording projects as well as proposing your own... > > Post message: CT-Collective@onelist.com > Subscribe: CT-Collective-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: CT-Collective-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: CT-Collective-owner@onelist.com > >Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/CT-Collective > >Best regards, >-Miko Biffle > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 19:55:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14782; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:55:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:55:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:45:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: NELS CLINE & GREGG BENDIAN - INTERSTELLAR SPACE Resent-Message-ID: <"TdYGy1.0.wH1.FjTiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Just have to say I caught this show, practically by accident. We were gigging >a block and a half away in downtown L.A. and afterward we walked by The Smell >and heard all this racket. I just wanted to add that *IT REALLY SUCKS* that Cline and Bendian are playing 3 nights withing driving distance of me (Eugene, Portland and Seattle) and I can't make any of the shows because I have gigs. I'll actually be playing just a few blocks away from their PDX show, but it looks logistically impossible, unless they play really late. The Rob Blakeslee 4-tet, awesome players and good friends of mine, are openning the Portland show, don't miss this if you are at all capable... ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 20:18:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23419; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:18:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:18:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="webexpress-2.1.3-07a858" Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:10:20 +0000 From: "Graham " Message-Id: <951181820.webexpressdV2.1.3@mail.u.genie.co.uk> To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EDP upgrades in lA??? Resent-Message-ID: <"6mwhH2.0.0q4.d8Uiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --webexpress-2.1.3-07a858 Content-Type: text/plain Hey fellow loopers, I've just bought an EDP and need to upgrade it to version 5 software. Any idea how and where I can do this? Also I need some cheap memory to upgrade the memory any ideas on cheap places in West Hollywood? I'm only in LA for the next week so pointers greatly appreciated. Cheers..... Graham ; name="" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLTYxMDI2Mzc5NTMxOTY5OQ== --webexpress-2.1.3-07a858-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 23:31:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16478; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:31:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:31:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B20F3F.3A0B3223@home.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:23:27 -0800 From: Neil Goldstein Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MM4 reviews? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aGaEj1.0.pb2.rxWiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Some mostly positive user comments at http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Line_6/MM_4_Modulation_Modeler-01.html I just picked up one today $229 at Guitar Center, but haven't had a chance to play much with it yet. At the store, it sounded great, amidst the cacaphony and playing a new guitar which went out of tune often. The Leslie and Univibe ems alone were enough to get me to reach for the credit card. Along with the DL-4 this will be great, esp for a guy who hasn't had a floor pedal since the 80's. Hope the expression pedal works smoother on this than the DL-4 :-( NG Unit Circle Media wrote: > > while I know it's not strictly looping, I was wondering if anyone has > tried the Line 6 MM4 an what they think about it... > > thanks, > Kevin > > Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com > Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 21 23:30:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16266; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:30:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:30:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002901bf7d05$86890b60$b32c5dd8@q8f1v2> From: "Pete Mundt" To: Subject: OT:bias frequency Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:21:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"b3iAd3.0.NJ2.bvWiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com O.K. Maybe a very stupid question, possibly a very stupid question anyway, anybody know the approximate frequency at which tape bias occurs??? I'm trying to master stereo mixes (which were recorded on 8-track cassette) on my computer, and would love to be able to take out some bias. I have cakewalk 8 @ my disposal. Any suggestions are very much appreciated. Feel free to e-mail me privately manx72@voyager.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 01:17:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04610; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:17:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:17:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:11:30 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP upgrades in lA??? In-reply-to: <951181820.webexpressdV2.1.3@mail.u.genie.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pE1A7.0.WW.mZYiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:10 PM -0800 2/21/00, Graham wrote: >Hey fellow loopers, >I've just bought an EDP and need to upgrade it to version 5 software. >Any idea how and where I can do this? sure, you can buy the upgrade direct from Aurisis Research. (That's Matthias and me, the software developers...) It costs $45, easy to install. Just send a mail to upgrade@aurisis.com and we'll send you all the details. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 02:19:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32251; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 02:19:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 02:19:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200002220714.XAA21797@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:18:14 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP upgrades in lA??? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UUr9Q3.0.YE7.oTZiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey I concur-it is easy-I got my upgrade a little while ago, and thanx to Aurisis it does everything purported-again Thanx guys. GOIN' LOOPY...STANNER ---------- >From: Kim Flint >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: EDP upgrades in lA??? >Date: Mon, Feb 21, 2000, 10:11 PM > > At 5:10 PM -0800 2/21/00, Graham wrote: >>Hey fellow loopers, >>I've just bought an EDP and need to upgrade it to version 5 software. >>Any idea how and where I can do this? > > sure, you can buy the upgrade direct from Aurisis Research. (That's > Matthias and me, the software developers...) It costs $45, easy to > install. Just send a mail to upgrade@aurisis.com and we'll send you all the > details. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 03:42:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05785; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 03:42:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 03:42:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B259D2.A81568D@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:41:38 +0000 From: Olivier Malhomme X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: [off] fizmo once more References: <200002211537.KAA29932@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AIgPV.0.V21.mgaiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, sorry to disturb you people again with that. Unfortunately my search did no good. The only peole I found who had some was musician's friend, and they refuse to sell abroad (?!?!). Pretty stuck I am. So if anyone sees one in alittle shop near at a reasonnable price (like in the $200-400 area as we said), please e-mail me privately, and sorry to evryone for this again; Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 09:32:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06026; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:32:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:32:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DF8D@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Musical gear for sale Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:20:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"WANqb.0.3e7.Ekfiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Smart Man, I would have made the same choice. This highly sought after package includes a free excursion via walker to the sites around Bloomington,IN including the always popular goodwill where you can purchased used depends undergarments in privacy with your date. A free all inclusive luxury bed pan will also be included during the free showing of the best of "lawrence welk show" reruns while you cuddle with your dreamdate. congratulations!!!! Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com - Subject: Re: Musical gear for sale Hi- I need your address- I will be sending payment for the last item on your list- please have it washed and ready to sweat- Cliff - >Boston Acoustic a40 speakers...$make offer > >a night out on the town with my grandma.....$19.99 or highest bidder takes >all > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 10:28:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01220; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:28:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:28:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012F2481B420D211BE5A00A0C9CDAFBA020F92C5@il0015exch006u.ih.lucent.com> From: "Weideman, Gary L (Gary)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Roland GR-30 and Godin Multiac Steel String w/SA for sale Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:19:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"1SipY3.0.9V6.Eagiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi everyone, If anyone is interested I have a Roland GR-30 with 15 foot cable and manual in excellent condition along with a beautiful sunburst Godin Multiac Acoustic Steel string guitar (w/hard shell case) that has Synth Access via the RMC pickup system for sale. Together they make a great Guitar/Synth combination with excellent tracking and acoustic sound ! I haven't been using it much lately thus I need to sell them. I will sell them together for $1000 (buyer pays shipping) or separately ($400 for the GR-30, $700 for the Godin Multiac). Gary Weideman 630-979-4957 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 10:36:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04409; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:36:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:36:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B2AAF7.8CE4A563@engin.umich.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:27:52 -0500 From: Darcy Clark Reply-To: darcyc@engin.umich.edu Organization: MSE, Umich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [off] fizmo once more References: <200002211537.KAA29932@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <38B259D2.A81568D@vete.ucl.ac.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GeTiH.0.UI.xhgiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just called Musician's Friend and they still have a couple at full price (~$1000) apparently Olivier Malhomme wrote: > > Well, sorry to disturb you people again with that. Unfortunately my > search did no good. The only peole I found who had some was musician's > friend, and they refuse to sell abroad (?!?!). > Pretty stuck I am. > So if anyone sees one in alittle shop near at a reasonnable price (like > in the $200-400 area as we said), please e-mail me privately, and sorry > to evryone for this again; > > Olivier Malhomme -- --------------------------------------------------- Ph: (734) 764 3377 Email: darcyc@engin.umich.edu URL: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ --------------------------------------------------- 'If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate' ..... Steven Wright From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 12:42:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00437; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:42:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:42:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:03:17 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, mattdavignon@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [CT-Collective] going to LD Resent-Message-ID: <"5WmQF2.0.Eq6.OSiiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>From: "Mike Biffle" >>Greetings fellow loopers... We've gone on to two other projects: a 75 second "miniatures" project with 24 involved; and a "Found Sound" project which was just completed. It can be downloaded at Morgan Hamilton Lang's "Loop Exchange" site... Matt chimes in... >don't foget the www! so that's > http://www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/ct.html > or you can just use the shortcut: > www.loopxchange.com Thanks Matt... >>At the end of the project we ante up any mailing, duping costs and then receive our cd's. (Usually well below the $20 mark...) > Actually, the cost for participants on the "Found Sound" CD project was just $1.62 per CD plus postage! Since we split up the fees and have volunteers do the burning, artwork, and labels, the resulting compilation CD that you get costs way less than most compilation CD's that you can buy. (Don't forget the added bonus that you will be in contact with all the musicians on the CD from working with them!) That's really good news Matt? All that he says above is TRUE! TRUE! TRUE! I've been soooo happy being a part of these projects... I'm hoping that down the road I'll get the chance to do a little live terrorizing with many of the contributors! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 12:34:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30144; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:42:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:42:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <031f01bf7c85$75ba4720$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: looping electronic percussion Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:05:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"bWb_Z3.0.fU3.iCMiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Ideas? Pool your resources and buy an EDP. I think you'll get better results. Jointly building loops on a shared EDP works quite well. And adding custom switches is easy. Also, the DD-5 becomes instantly useable for triggering the EDP. Best of luck! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 12:57:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16002; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:39:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:39:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00a101bf7caa$12022c00$ae4badce@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: FS: 2 DigiTech Rackmount RDS Delays Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:27:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"T1d8m2.0.uZ1.YxPiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have to make some room around here, so I'm selling a few things. I have references galore. * Digitech RDS 3600 Digital Delay - $150 + shipping This is a somewhat rare piece. It's a lot like the RDS 7.6, except that the max delay time is switchable between three modes: 1.9, 3.6, and 7.2 sec's. The usual inputs (TRIGGER/REPEAT, VCO IN, etc), and outputs(Dry, Mix, PHASE). Excellent looper delay in good shape. * Digitech RDS 3.6 Digital Delay - $135 + shipping Same as above, except the max delay time is 3.6 sec's In excellent condition too. Thanks, - Larry Tremblay From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 13:02:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01840; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:09:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:09:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200002212052.PAA22427@fb02.eng00.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 03:52:07 -0400 Subject: Re: FS: 2 DigiTech Rackmount RDS Delays From: "c.white" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9GDHb1.0.AU7.HVQiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com are you doing trades as well? regards c. ---------- >From: "Larry Tremblay" >To: "Looper's Delight" >Subject: FS: 2 DigiTech Rackmount RDS Delays >Date: Mon, Feb 21, 2000, 4:27 PM > >I have to make some room around here, so I'm selling >a few things. I have references galore. > >* Digitech RDS 3600 Digital Delay - $150 + shipping >This is a somewhat rare piece. It's a lot >like the RDS 7.6, except that the max delay >time is switchable between three modes: >1.9, 3.6, and 7.2 sec's. > >The usual inputs (TRIGGER/REPEAT, VCO IN, etc), and >outputs(Dry, Mix, PHASE). > >Excellent looper delay in good shape. > >* Digitech RDS 3.6 Digital Delay - $135 + shipping >Same as above, except the max delay time is 3.6 sec's >In excellent condition too. > >Thanks, >- Larry Tremblay > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 13:10:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02418; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:19:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:19:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Blasphemy: Invert me under my stars. Message-Id: <4.1.20000221150447.009daf00@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:05:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: FS: 2 DigiTech Rackmount RDS Delays In-Reply-To: <00a101bf7caa$12022c00$ae4badce@concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8dB3T2.0.iX7.nVRiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At or around 03:27 PM 2/21/00 -0500, Larry Tremblay wrote: >* Digitech RDS 3.6 Digital Delay - $135 + shipping >Same as above, except the max delay time is 3.6 sec's >In excellent condition too. Just to let you know, I purchased my last two RDS 3.6's (in the last year) at $40 and $75, respectively. Going rate is well under $100 these days. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 Yahoo: theReverendRob http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 13:20:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19666; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:47:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:47:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:36:25 EST Subject: Re: NELS CLINE & GREGG BENDIAN - INTERSTELLAR SPACE To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"yyvib.0.Co3.10Riu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just have to say I caught this show, practically by accident. We were gigging a block and a half away in downtown L.A. and afterward we walked by The Smell and heard all this racket. Often willing to support that way-out, literal hole in the wall venue, we popped $5 each and entered. After being thoroughly tortured for 25 minutes by a guy with four speakers with a contact mic on each and a mixer doing what looked like might have been a feedback/regenerative tones performance but sounded like continuous 2.5KHz feedback squeal... ...Nels and Gregg followed with a very exciting show - dynamic in volume and texture, contrasting sheer thunder and lightning with occasional moments of beautiful, sensitive "jazz" playing. And Nels really plays that EH 16 like a musical instrument in itself (yes, looping). Thrill to moments like when Nels gets a little wild modulating and pitching and wha-ing, then somehow knocks out his pedalboard, exclaiming "I've lost power, Captain!" to Gregg, then taking an heroic turn to whatever's still running in the 16 and re-shaping it to support life for the moment, then switching to manual override - plugging the guitar straight into the amp (!) and busting out the Coltrane phrase with a mellow, old skool sensibility. Great fun. The tour schedule is here: >http://people.we.mediaone.net/dbeihoff/NCAS/index.html eric p echo park In a message dated 2/9/0 3:25:46 PM, speck45@hotmail.com writes: >Sorry for the kind of Off Topic post, but this is a show not to be missed if >you are in the Seattle area, and maybe an excuse to visit. > >Subject: NELS CLINE & GREGG BENDIAN - INTERSTELLAR SPACE: THE MUSIC >OF JOHN COLTRANE *[ SEATTLE SHOW ADDED! ]* The tour schedule is here: >http://people.we.mediaone.net/dbeihoff/NCAS/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 13:29:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06591; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:05:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:05:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:35:17 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, mattdavignon@hotmail.com, CT-Collective@onelist.com Subject: Re: [CT-Collective] going to LD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id MAA02986 Resent-Message-ID: <"a83AE1.0.Fl.BnNiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings fellow loopers... About a year ago a number of us here at Loopers Delight initiated a "Chain Tape" project and physically mailed a cassette around the world, adding loop recordings as it traveled. That became a 4 cd compilation called Chain Tape 1. We've gone on to two other projects: a 75 second "miniatures" project with 24 involved; and a "Found Sound" project which was just completed. It can be downloaded at Morgan Hamilton Lang's "Loop Exchange" site... http://music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/ct.html We've gone one to create a mailing list 30+ people strong (so far) for the purpose of recording compilation - collaboration CD's for low cost. These CD's are often themed, and are fun and useful in the exchange of musical ideas, talents, and inspiration. If you would like to find out about, participate in, or help in arranging such collaborations. We'd love to have you here! For those of you worried about too much email... The main CT-Collective list is not nearly as busy as Loopers Delight... At this point we're open to various forms of media: cassette, dat, audio data files, and I believe we'll be mini-disc capable soon as well. Mastering, duping and artwork is usually handled with volunteers within the project group. At the end of the project we ante up any mailing, duping costs and then receive our cd's. (Usually well below the $20 mark...) We've also begun mailing all our submissions directly to the mastering volunteer in parallel in order to speed turnaround time on projects. Here's all the pertinent info for anyone interested in becoming part of any future recording projects as well as proposing your own... Post message: CT-Collective@onelist.com Subscribe: CT-Collective-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: CT-Collective-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: CT-Collective-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/CT-Collective Best regards, -Miko Biffle From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 13:53:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28774; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:53:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:53:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:25:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Upcoming NW Minus shows Resent-Message-ID: <"pebtV.0.I35.pNjiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, pardon the self-promotional spam, Minus (Mark France:gtr/vocals/noise, Dave Trenkel:basses/electronics, Henry Franzoni:drums) is doing a short NW tour this week: We'll be in Seattle on Thursday, Feb 24th, at the Rainbow Room. We'll be playing with Elaine Difalco and Fabric, the new band from the Hughscore and Caveman Shoestore keyboardist/vocalist, which also features Fred Chalenor (Hughscore, Zony Mash, Tone Dogs, etc) on bass. Friday, Feb. 25th, we'll be in Portland at the Tugboat Brewpub, with the Aiko Shimada Band. This show is free, though we will gladly accept donations, and the Tugboat is an intimate, all-ages and dog-friendly establishment. Saturday, Feb. 26th, we'll be at Squirrels Tavern, Corvallis, OR, once again with the Aiko Shimada Band. For this show, we'll be joined by JD Monroe on turntables. Also, take a look at our newly refurbished web presence: http://listen.to/minusmusic and www.mp3.com/-minus- The MP3.com site features an advance tune from our as-yet unreleased 2nd CD. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 14:47:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17421; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:47:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:47:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:37:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Electronics Fest Summer 2000 Atlanta Georgia Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: <"HjLcF3.0.HN3.PMkiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello All, Euphonnics Productions and myself are looking for people to participate in an upcoming electronics festival here in Atlanta, Georgia.This festival will highlight electronic music outside the norms...so you drone types and homemade electronic wizards please apply. open to all north and south american electro kids who can get themselves here to atlanta, as we are poor... Europeans and others can send stuff in but we cannot afford to fly you over...:D send all of your shimmering demos to: c.white 331 lakeshore drive stockbridge georgia 30280 > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 15:00:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24331; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:00:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:00:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Kiene's Fly Shop" To: Subject: RE: Electronics Fest Summer 2000 Atlanta Georgia Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:53:52 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"O-jPZ3.0.Zg4.Eakiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Definitely contact David Haney at Zendrum in Atlanta. Here's his web address: www.zendrum.com Alan. _____________________________ Alan Barnard Digital Drummer/Percussionist e-drums@pacbell.net http://www.kiene.com/epercussion > -----Original Message----- > From: magicicada@mindspring.com [mailto:magicicada@mindspring.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 11:38 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Electronics Fest Summer 2000 Atlanta Georgia > > > Hello All, > > Euphonnics Productions and myself are looking for people to > participate in an upcoming electronics festival here in Atlanta, > Georgia.This festival will highlight electronic music outside the > norms...so you drone types and homemade electronic wizards please apply. > > open to all north and south american electro kids who can get > themselves here to atlanta, as we are poor... Europeans and > others can send stuff in but we cannot afford to fly you over...:D > > > send all of your shimmering demos to: > > c.white > 331 lakeshore drive > stockbridge georgia > 30280 > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 17:14:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23307; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:14:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:14:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38B29819.6E20F51F@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:07:21 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [off] fizmo once more References: <200002211537.KAA29932@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <38B259D2.A81568D@vete.ucl.ac.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yNtMs1.0.Cr4.PVmiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com olivier, did you try music store in cologne, germany? they had some that they were blowing out in their last catalog. prices: 1190,- DM : keyboard version 1090,- DM : rack version hope this helps ... l8ter, rob Olivier Malhomme schrieb: > > > Well, sorry to disturb you people again with that. Unfortunately my > search did no good. The only peole I found who had some was musician's > friend, and they refuse to sell abroad (?!?!). > Pretty stuck I am. > So if anyone sees one in alittle shop near at a reasonnable price (like > in the $200-400 area as we said), please e-mail me privately, and sorry > to evryone for this again; > > Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 20:51:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08743; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:51:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:51:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B36205.6DE32CCC@fuse.net> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:28:53 -0800 From: Mike Georgin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP upgrades in lA??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KKaTn.0.MK1.Wipiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello , hello This has probably been covered before , ( please excuse me if it has! ) but what exactly does the version 5 software do? I've had an EDP for the last 11/2 - 2 years and I'm not sure if it is upgraded. Is there some way that I can tell? Thanks for any info, Mike Kim Flint wrote: > At 5:10 PM -0800 2/21/00, Graham wrote: > >Hey fellow loopers, > >I've just bought an EDP and need to upgrade it to version 5 software. > >Any idea how and where I can do this? > > sure, you can buy the upgrade direct from Aurisis Research. (That's > Matthias and me, the software developers...) It costs $45, easy to > install. Just send a mail to upgrade@aurisis.com and we'll send you all the > details. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 21:13:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19230; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:13:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:13:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Richard Allen" To: Subject: RE: looping electronic percussion Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:56:54 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20000222234828.006c4ed0@pop.pipeline.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"EvO_N.0.uH2.Ospiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Seems like you'd be much better off with a sequencer or drum machine that can run in loop record mode. eg: Dr550, 660, Alesis SR-16 etc. That is if your drummer only wants to loop drum module sounds rather than audio. If you're sending MIDI notes already from your drum interface module, and your drummer is playing along so a MIDI sequence (with time code) you can sync the sequencer or drum machine to that. He may even want to dump the trigger idea altogether (they can be a but finicky) and just play on the velocity sensitive pads of a suitable drum machine in loop record mode, and then switch to the sticks for the live feel. Happy spirals, Richard Allen -------------------------------------------- richarda@famoustech.com Applications Engineer www.famoustech.com Famous Technologies 55 Claremont St Sth Yarra, 3141 Australia (613) 9826 9433 xt 202 (613) 9826 9115 Fax -------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Christine Bard [mailto:lerocher@pipeline.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 10:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping electronic percussion >Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:01:59 -0500 >From: Tim Nelson >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: looping electronic percussion >Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000221100159.007a9330@pop.ici.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >I've asked this before, but since the listmember subscribershipness is in >constant flux, maybe someone has an idea... > >I'm playing with a percussionist who's developed a severe case of >loop-envy. We generally play as a duo and he has to sit there on his >hydraulic-pneumatic drum throne stuck in one layer of real time while I get >to have all the looping fun. > >What he'd like to do is to put triggers on his acoustic kit to control a >drum module (probably an Alesis D4) which he'd then run to an as-yet >unspecified looper. Since money IS an object, he's looking at either a >Headrush or a DL4, which leads to the crux of the biscuit: > >Do any of you have any ideas for a way to modify the switches on either of >these units so they could be stick-controlled? As a kit drummer, his feet >are too busy to deal with a stompbox. I suppose he could mount the looper >between his floor toms and hit the switches with the heel of his right >hand, but it would be particularly cool to have a couple of pads in the kit >that would serve as switches to start and stop the loop when hit with a >drumstick. > >We've got an old Yamaha DD-5 sitting there; the sounds are horrible, but >it's got 4 pads and a MIDI out. Since neither the Headrush nor the DL4 are >MIDI, can anyone suggest an affordable hardware interface solution that >would allow the DD-5 pads to replace the switches? Or would it make more >sense to rig up some sort of mechanical stick-activated switches? > >Ideas? > >Tim Is a volume pedal next to the hi hat too prosaic? You can even use two and pretend you have a mixer. (get two Dod 4second delays and fake a stereo signal...) ...anything with a fader words well, also. Christine Bard Christine Bard 0~>~<>~><~<>~<~0 I replaced the headlights in my car with strobe lights. Now it looks like I'm the only one moving. -Steven Wright From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 23:05:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28077; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:05:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:05:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <001d01bf7c47$f60f8e00$40348218@we.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:00:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Waldorf 4 Pole Resent-Message-ID: <"jwcuu2.0.D66.Lfriu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just got a passion (and couple of free bucks) for a Waldorf 4 Pole filterbox. If anyone here has one for sale, or hears of one popping up used, I'd appreciate a holler. Just can't cough up the $400 for a new one. TIA.... David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 22 23:04:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27823; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:04:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:04:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000222225931.007abc10@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:59:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: looping electronic percussion In-Reply-To: References: <1.5.4.32.20000222234828.006c4ed0@pop.pipeline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"26CP4.0._H6.0hriu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:56 PM 2/23/00 +1100, you wrote: >Seems like you'd be much better off with a sequencer or drum machine that >can run in loop record mode. eg: Dr550, 660, Alesis SR-16 etc. I've got an SR-16, but the interface doesn't appeal to him. We often do parts where I'm looping the SR-16 and/or percussive synth sounds and he's playing against it, but he'd really like to be able to run his own device. Since he's playing the kit and has sticks in hand anyway, putting triggers on his existing drums would be the smoothest evolution of what we're doing: mostly improvised parts which, since there are only two of us, can change direction very spontaneously. We're definitely not midi-synched, there are no click tracks or tightly sequenced parts arranged in advance; just improvised stuff for the most part. > >That is if your drummer only wants to loop drum module sounds rather than >audio. It's not so much that he doesn't WANT to loop audio, but there's the problem of live mics and monitoring without the loop feeding back into itself. (He's also got MY loops blasting away from a monitor right next to him so he can hear them over the drum kit, and he doesn't want to hear about wearing cans!) The module's appeal would be the clean signal it would send to his looper, and also since the non-looped module sounds would be in unison with the acoustic drums that trigger them, adding depth and complexity in variable degrees to the overall sound. Also, a dedicated looper would allow him to loop samples along with his kit. There have been several great suggestions on this thread, and I hope to hear more ideas. So far, although it's all been good advice, the one suggestion most applicable to our particular situation has also been the simplest; Alan Barnard's advice involving a DL-4 on the floor next to the hi-hat... Thanks everyone, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 23 00:11:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01857; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:05:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:05:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801bf7d62$be387020$1482b2d1@bob> From: "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" To: Subject: Re: [off] fizmo once more Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:27:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"tsGdE.0.m16.eXjiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Well, sorry to disturb you people again with that. Unfortunately my >search did no good. The only peole I found who had some was musician's >friend, and they refuse to sell abroad (?!?!). >Pretty stuck I am. >So if anyone sees one in alittle shop near at a reasonnable price (like >in the $200-400 area as we said), please e-mail me privately, and sorry >to evryone for this again; > > >Olivier Malhomme > I think it is rather immoral to sell a broad ;) Don't be sexist, broads hate that! Colin | niloC From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 23 00:19:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08705; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:48:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:48:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008f01bf7d0e$bec41980$ac351ecb@ppp.mtx.net.au> From: "Dennis Longstaff" To: Subject: Re: Upcoming NW Minus shows Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:58:05 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"hyIeR1.0.oW.n5liu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Dave While you are there see if anyones interested in didges. thanks dennis...... http://corrobex.com -----Original Message----- From: Dave Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, 23 February 2000 5:50 Subject: Upcoming NW Minus shows >Hi, pardon the self-promotional spam, > >Minus (Mark France:gtr/vocals/noise, Dave Trenkel:basses/electronics, Henry >Franzoni:drums) is doing a short NW tour this week: > >We'll be in Seattle on Thursday, Feb 24th, at the Rainbow Room. We'll be >playing with Elaine Difalco and Fabric, the new band from the Hughscore and >Caveman Shoestore keyboardist/vocalist, which also features Fred Chalenor >(Hughscore, Zony Mash, Tone Dogs, etc) on bass. > >Friday, Feb. 25th, we'll be in Portland at the Tugboat Brewpub, with the >Aiko Shimada Band. This show is free, though we will gladly accept >donations, and the Tugboat is an intimate, all-ages and dog-friendly >establishment. > >Saturday, Feb. 26th, we'll be at Squirrels Tavern, Corvallis, OR, once >again with the Aiko Shimada Band. For this show, we'll be joined by JD >Monroe on turntables. > >Also, take a look at our newly refurbished web presence: > >http://listen.to/minusmusic > >and > >www.mp3.com/-minus- > >The MP3.com site features an advance tune from our as-yet unreleased 2nd CD. > >________________________________________________________ >Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ > >"...there will come a day when you won't have to use >gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in >your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper >type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em >together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em >together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." > -Sun Ra >________________________________________________________ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 23 00:21:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31764; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:57:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:57:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.20000222234828.006c4ed0@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: lerocher@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:48:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Christine Bard Subject: Re: looping electronic percussion Resent-Message-ID: <"MxUOZ3.0.Bs6.22oiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:01:59 -0500 >From: Tim Nelson >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: looping electronic percussion >Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000221100159.007a9330@pop.ici.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >I've asked this before, but since the listmember subscribershipness is in >constant flux, maybe someone has an idea... > >I'm playing with a percussionist who's developed a severe case of >loop-envy. We generally play as a duo and he has to sit there on his >hydraulic-pneumatic drum throne stuck in one layer of real time while I get >to have all the looping fun. > >What he'd like to do is to put triggers on his acoustic kit to control a >drum module (probably an Alesis D4) which he'd then run to an as-yet >unspecified looper. Since money IS an object, he's looking at either a >Headrush or a DL4, which leads to the crux of the biscuit: > >Do any of you have any ideas for a way to modify the switches on either of >these units so they could be stick-controlled? As a kit drummer, his feet >are too busy to deal with a stompbox. I suppose he could mount the looper >between his floor toms and hit the switches with the heel of his right >hand, but it would be particularly cool to have a couple of pads in the kit >that would serve as switches to start and stop the loop when hit with a >drumstick. > >We've got an old Yamaha DD-5 sitting there; the sounds are horrible, but >it's got 4 pads and a MIDI out. Since neither the Headrush nor the DL4 are >MIDI, can anyone suggest an affordable hardware interface solution that >would allow the DD-5 pads to replace the switches? Or would it make more >sense to rig up some sort of mechanical stick-activated switches? > >Ideas? > >Tim Is a volume pedal next to the hi hat too prosaic? You can even use two and pretend you have a mixer. (get two Dod 4second delays and fake a stereo signal...) ...anything with a fader words well, also. Christine Bard Christine Bard 0~>~<>~><~<>~<~0 I replaced the headlights in my car with strobe lights. Now it looks like I'm the only one moving. -Steven Wright From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 23 00:21:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17966; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:21:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:21:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:39:58 EST Subject: Re: Electronics Fest Summer 2000 Atlanta Georgia To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"QHa1b1.0.0M1.ZIsiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com when is this gig? thanks, hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 23 03:48:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22246; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 03:48:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 03:48:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <011e01bf7dda$4c18cee0$fe0002c0@intercom.es.intercom.es> From: "samuel" To: , "Akai" , Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:44:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"CunU_.0.I45.yrviu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there those MAC users... How do you make backups? which hardware and software for backups do you have? is it possible to use an alesis ADAT with some software to backup macintosh files? Does Pro Tools come with some backup software/facility?? I need to backup about 12 Gigabytes for each of my works.. Thanks in advance Sam #ICQ 38770781 Email: samu@findermac.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 23 04:09:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27980; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:09:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:09:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b701bf7ddd$04bb9570$51cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> From: "Os" To: References: <011e01bf7dda$4c18cee0$fe0002c0@intercom.es.intercom.es> Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:04:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"7ofMo1.0.BW6.qAwiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I use Retrospect Express & a CD writer. (This is arguably a little OT though!) cheers, os. ----- Original Message ----- From: samuel To: ; Akai ; Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 8:44 AM Subject: Unidentified subject! > Hi there those MAC users... > > How do you make backups? which hardware and software for backups do you > have? > > is it possible to use an alesis ADAT with some software to backup macintosh > files? > > Does Pro Tools come with some backup software/facility?? > > I need to backup about 12 Gigabytes for each of my works.. > > Thanks in advance > > > Sam > #ICQ 38770781 > Email: samu@findermac.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 23 04:35:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05381; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:35:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:35:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 01:27:45 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP upgrades in lA??? In-reply-to: <38B36205.6DE32CCC@fuse.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"xJg4R2.0.N-.FYwiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Mike- At 8:28 PM -0800 2/22/00, Mike Georgin wrote: >Hello , hello >This has probably been covered before , ( please excuse me if it has! ) but >what exactly does the version 5 software do? I've had an EDP for the last 11/2 >- 2 years and I'm not sure if it is upgraded. Is there some way that I can >tell? Thanks for any info, Mike All of your questions are answered in the Echoplex pages of Looper's Delight: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html There you will find a page on the upgrade with the release notes, an extensive echoplex faq with more info, and other goodies. kim >Kim Flint wrote: > >> At 5:10 PM -0800 2/21/00, Graham wrote: >> >Hey fellow loopers, >> >I've just bought an EDP and need to upgrade it to version 5 software. >> >Any idea how and where I can do this? >> >> sure, you can buy the upgrade direct from Aurisis Research. (That's >> Matthias and me, the software developers...) It costs $45, easy to >> install. Just send a mail to upgrade@aurisis.com and we'll send you all the >> details. >> >> kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 23 05:18:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18483; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 05:18:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 05:18:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B3C168.ACD816E6@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:15:54 +0000 From: Olivier Malhomme X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:(off) more GAS References: <200002230523.AAA19628@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yjZtV3.0._44.19xiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com More. more off. more gear question. I just spotted a axon controller NGX 77 for about $380 double question 1) is it an interesting price, and.. 2) the people here having one or having been testing one, well, 'd be grateful if I could get a little private message with ypur point, see? thanks in advance Olivier From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 23 07:19:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA23636; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 07:19:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 07:19:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200002231159.GAA13810@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:59:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Electronics Fest Summer 2000 Atlanta Georgia From: "c.white" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wvGDa3.0.ZU4.Lkyiu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com in june sometime..still ironing all of that out. regards, c ---------- >From: Hawkeye255@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Electronics Fest Summer 2000 Atlanta Georgia >Date: Wed, Feb 23, 2000, 12:39 AM > >when is this gig? > >thanks, > hawkeye > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 23 08:56:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21023; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:56:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:56:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000223082834.009569d0@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:36:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! In-Reply-To: <011e01bf7dda$4c18cee0$fe0002c0@intercom.es.intercom.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"_Uo-h.0.Bn3.F9-iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:44 AM 2/23/00 +0100, you wrote: >Hi there those MAC users... > >How do you make backups? which hardware and software for backups do you >have? I used Retrospect from www.dantz.com. They have a couple of versions. The "express" version is less expensive but may not support as many devices and can't work as a backup server for networked machines. I bought mine before they had the "express" version. Anyway, I really like the simple interface (you can use more complicated features like selectors and stuff but you don't have to. Restoring is easy, too. I've been able to restore single files (in place or to a different folder to keep the old and new copies) and when I installed a larger harddirve I was able to get my whole system off a full back I made prior to installing the new drive. Ok, so that's the kind of stuff you'd expect from any back up program :) Another nice thing about Retrospect is that they now have the identical program for Windows which is nice if you have both kinds of computers and like to have similar software. >is it possible to use an alesis ADAT with some software to backup macintosh >files? I don't think so. >I need to backup about 12 Gigabytes for each of my works.. You should consider investing in a DDS-3 or DDS-4 SCSI tape drive. The drives are expensive but you get from 12 - 24 GB per tape and the tapes (4mm DAT) are not too expensive. ************************ Floyd Miller ***************** floyd@studiodust.com ************ http://www.studiodust.com ******** http://www.studiodust.com/~floyd ***** palace://studiodust.com:9998 ** TPV: http://www.thepalace.com:8000/perl/palentry.pl?ID=WD9S7VM2 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 23 10:31:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00516; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:31:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:31:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: The Boston Loopers' Collective IV - Show - March 6th - Middle Eas t Restaurant Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:53:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZpJ1Q1.0.xQ4.GK_iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello - I'd like to connect with any New England area loopers with music for sale. The Boston Loopers' Collective IV Show will take place March 6th, at the Middle East Restaurant in Cambridge MA. Along with the music, I'd like to set-up a concession stand for people to sell their CD's and tapes, and for mutual mailing list sign-ups. I'm hoping to create a context for area loopers to network and learn about eachother. It seems there are more around than one might think. So, if you have something to sell, please send me e-mail: dkirkdorffer@exapps.com Performances this time will feature: * David Barnes & The Echo Chamber Ensemble * Ross Hamlin * Doug Martelli * DJ C Visuals provided by the inimitable Dr. T David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 23 14:54:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30666; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:54:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:54:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d801bf7e36$ae010760$9c5dadc7@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Unit Circle Media" , Subject: Re: MM4 reviews? Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:43:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"TqrvY3.0.Mj6.zX3ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kevin, I reviewed the MM4 for Guitar World magazine. Like the LD4, it's a fine box for the bucks. Most of the sounds aim for the center of the original unit's spectrum, and do so very, very well, sometimes with extra goodies thrown in. For example, the MXR Phase 90 model not only nails the sound pretty darn good, it adds a bunch of other variables to what was originally a one-knob wonder. The A/DA flanger model was good for "average" flanger settings, but the A/DA could do some things the MM4 couldn't. Only the ring mod was a total wash, hardly worth hearing. The optional expression pedal is definitely an option here; I'd say it was a necessity with the LD4. I lose track of issues and such re. Guitar World, but I bet you could hit their web site: www.guitarworld.com and read my entire review, if they've posted it yet. Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, February 21, 2000 5:08 PM Subject: MM4 reviews? >while I know it's not strictly looping, I was wondering if anyone has >tried the Line 6 MM4 an what they think about it... > > thanks, > Kevin > > >Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com >Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 23 21:35:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25289; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:35:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:35:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001101bf7e6b$7bc260c0$c7c1d6d1@oemcomputer> From: "X-ray" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: DL4/volume pedal modifications Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:04:23 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"dbVwc3.0.0i2.749ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Have any DL4 users cracked open their Line 6 expression pedal yet to see what's inside?? I'm wondering if a regular volume pedal (Ernie Ball, Boss), or even other types of expression pedals (EV5) could be modified to behave like a Line6 expression pedal when connected to the DL4. I know that Boss claims the FV300L (the low impedance version) can act as an expression pedal when used with a special cable (stereo cable??), but I'm not sure if this would be especially effective since I have heard some EV5 users say the EV5 works great with the DL4, and other users say it does not always work. Is it a straightforward electronic component issue, or is the DL4 calibrated specifically for the range of the Line6 expression pedal??? I really like the big Boss volume pedals, and I would love to use one with my DL4. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 23 22:44:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21149; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:44:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:44:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200002240320.TAA29398@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: DL4/volume pedal modifications Date: Wed, 23 Feb 00 19:20:07 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: George Van Wagner To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id WAA10294 Resent-Message-ID: <"13P7i1.0.AX2.5EAju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Heelback 0‡, toe down 10k‡. that's the secret formula. Now you can modify your pedal to work, or buy one of ours and keep your vintage Boss pedal intact (actually, my Boss RV-100 measures just that). Don't tell the boss I told ya. George >Have any DL4 users cracked open their Line 6 expression pedal yet to see >what's inside?? I'm wondering if a regular volume pedal (Ernie Ball, Boss), >or even other types of expression pedals (EV5) could be modified to behave >like a Line6 expression pedal when connected to the DL4. I know that Boss >claims the FV300L (the low impedance version) can act as an expression pedal >when used with a special cable (stereo cable??), but I'm not sure if this >would be especially effective since I have heard some EV5 users say the EV5 >works great with the DL4, and other users say it does not always work. Is >it a straightforward electronic component issue, or is the DL4 calibrated >specifically for the range of the Line6 expression pedal??? I really like >the big Boss volume pedals, and I would love to use one with my DL4. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 23 23:36:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12421; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:36:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:36:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000223232806.007ae140@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: coirbidh_99@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:28:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Scott A. Martin" Subject: Digitech RDS footswitches, looping reverb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9rm4K.0.I61.S9Bju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm in the process of buying a Digitech RDS rackmount delay, and I'm trying to figure out what sort of footswitches I need. At the moment, the functions I'm interested in controlling are bypass, repeat hold, and VCO control. The online manual (thanks a TON, BTW, to whoever posted that) indicates that bypass should use a latching footswitch, but for repeat hold it only says "Use a switch that connects the tip conductor to ground when activated." Should this be a latching or momentary switch? In a related question, does anybody have any experience with the Proel "dual polarity" footswitch? I'm uncertain whether it switches between latching/unlatching or normally open/normally closed. Also, if anyone's had any particularly good/bad experiences with voltage control pedals with these units, please let me know. And now for something completely different... I've been obsessively watching the 2nd DT video, which I received this weekend (more on that below), and I've gotten really interested in the concept of infinite reverb. We talk a lot about delay looping, but looping reverbs would seem to open up a very interesting new texture. Anyone care to share their experiences with these techniques? Are the Lexicon reverbs the only units that allow looping reverb? Finally, I highly recommend the Torn video series to any neophyte loopers whose looping experiences (like my own) are limited to recordings and this discussion list. Watching DT manipulating his equipment and explaining the theory behind his technique has really opened up doors for me, and is in fact one of the big motivations to purchase the above-mentioned RDS. After seeing the flexibility of the PCM42, I really want to step beyond the "phrase"-oriented looping capabilities of my Headrush, and get some more atmospheric/textural things happening. Kiss that profit-sharing check goodbye.... =) Scott Martin Morrigan Records scott@morriganrecords.com http://www.morriganrecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 23 23:57:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22173; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:57:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:57:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Echoplex: Sound on Sound Activated X-Prerequisite-Blasphemy: Invert me under the stars Message-Id: <4.1.20000223214448.019fe150@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:48:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: Digitech RDS footswitches, looping reverb In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000223232806.007ae140@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NX60c.0.2A4.kZBju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On or around 11:28 PM 2/23/00 -0800, Scott A. Martin said: >I'm in the process of buying a Digitech RDS rackmount delay, and I'm trying >to figure out what sort of footswitches I need. At the moment, the >functions I'm interested in controlling are bypass, repeat hold, and VCO >control. VCO control must be done by some type of VCO pedal; I believe the DOD FX17 Wah/Volume/Voltage works fine, although I haven't had one to play with in a long time. I generally am quite happy with the "reach over and tweak a knob" setting, especially since I mostly only use my RDS 3.6s for looping at "set" intervals, usually 1.8s and 3.6s. > The online manual (thanks a TON, BTW, to whoever posted that) >indicates that bypass should use a latching footswitch, but for repeat hold >it only says "Use a switch that connects the tip conductor to ground when >activated." Should this be a latching or momentary switch? It's supposed to be a latching switch, the same type you'd use on an old tape echoplex for "echo on/off". I've got a motley collection of footswitches for mine, from the ones I used to use on a RE-301 to some Peavy "on-off" switch for reverb on some amp or other. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music : looping mp3s and more From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 04:14:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31067; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:14:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:14:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000224070846.692.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:08:46 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: DT videos? To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"YxyNK2.0.-c3.1YDju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What's a good source for ordering David Torn videos? Many thanks. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 09:39:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29816; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:39:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:39:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:31:54 EST Subject: Re: Digitech RDS footswitches, looping reverb To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: <"xrgD92.0.Iw6.24Kju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com try controlling bypass and infinite repeat with Boss FS5L switches... they're cheap, have a status led powered by 2 AA batts whioch seem rto last forever, and the switches interlock with each other so you don't have to chase them around the floor. there is also a FS5U switch... same chassis but with a unlatch switch.sturdy as heck too. as for the vco, any voltage-control pedal will work From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 09:49:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00324; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:49:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:49:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <79.1b4979a.25e69d2e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:41:50 EST Subject: Re: Digitech RDS footswitches, looping reverb To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"TitTM1.0.Ia7.HDKju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com you can just use the cheap button top on/off switches from radioshack to do the inf. repeat and bypass thing. probably the cheapest solution. good old radioshack!! =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 10:20:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13859; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:20:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:20:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1Jr1 Message-Id: Disposition-Notification-To: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:59:22 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, user-forum@waldorf-gmbh.de From: Sunao Inami Subject: Sunao Inami Live Scheule March 2000. Resent-Message-ID: <"VpnJZ2.0.8x1.JTKju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, It is my next live gig info.. Sunao Inami Live Scheule March 2000. *March 12th-15th France Marseille at GMEM(Group Music Electroacoustic Marseille) *March 17th-18th Switzerland Bearn *March 22th Japan Osaka at Culb Bayside Jenny by TIME CONTROL more info: http://www.subrosa.net details available in my site. Keep in touch Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 11:47:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19496; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:47:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:47:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002801bf7ee4$403128b0$824badce@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000223232806.007ae140@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Digitech RDS footswitches, looping reverb Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:28:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Z1ug_.0.pv1.vjLju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > functions I'm interested in controlling are bypass, repeat hold, and VCO > control. The online manual (thanks a TON, BTW, to whoever posted that) I use the FX-17 to control the VCO. I use a footswitch I grabbed from a Princeton Reverb to control the bypass. - Larry Tremblay From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 13:27:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31057; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:27:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:27:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jo@numerica.it Message-ID: <000301bf7ef3$d6e444e0$682726d4@h2v6p1> To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000223232806.007ae140@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: R: Digitech RDS footswitches, looping reverb Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:13:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"Dspjq1.0.BH6.XLNju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Scott, about reverb looping I can tell Eventide 4000 (dsp or gtr) is a wonderful machine (you need to use something outside for looping). It already has some interesting delays with long reverbs inside, the quality and sensitivity to dynamics is really from another world. Sure it would be possible to do looping reverb, but you might need some more delay modules that would be available with expansion cards (...pricey!!!). Infact reverbs take a good quantity of machine's resources so that you can add just short delays/loops. Notice that 4000 has a very strange thing inside: it hasn't a tap tempo control to allow you to control the start/stop of loop or delay time. At the moment I am experimenting with a time control module to connect to outside pedals; if you would be interested I could update you about the results. About DT Video, may I ask you where did you find it? I am in Italy and no way to find them here; any suggestion? Thanks and ciao, Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott A. Martin To: Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 8:28 AM Subject: Digitech RDS footswitches, looping reverb > I'm in the process of buying a Digitech RDS rackmount delay, and I'm trying > to figure out what sort of footswitches I need. At the moment, the > functions I'm interested in controlling are bypass, repeat hold, and VCO > control. The online manual (thanks a TON, BTW, to whoever posted that) > indicates that bypass should use a latching footswitch, but for repeat hold > it only says "Use a switch that connects the tip conductor to ground when > activated." Should this be a latching or momentary switch? In a related > question, does anybody have any experience with the Proel "dual polarity" > footswitch? I'm uncertain whether it switches between latching/unlatching > or normally open/normally closed. Also, if anyone's had any particularly > good/bad experiences with voltage control pedals with these units, please > let me know. > > And now for something completely different... > > I've been obsessively watching the 2nd DT video, which I received this > weekend (more on that below), and I've gotten really interested in the > concept of infinite reverb. We talk a lot about delay looping, but looping > reverbs would seem to open up a very interesting new texture. Anyone care > to share their experiences with these techniques? Are the Lexicon reverbs > the only units that allow looping reverb? > > Finally, I highly recommend the Torn video series to any neophyte loopers > whose looping experiences (like my own) are limited to recordings and this > discussion list. Watching DT manipulating his equipment and explaining the > theory behind his technique has really opened up doors for me, and is in > fact one of the big motivations to purchase the above-mentioned RDS. After > seeing the flexibility of the PCM42, I really want to step beyond the > "phrase"-oriented looping capabilities of my Headrush, and get some more > atmospheric/textural things happening. Kiss that profit-sharing check > goodbye.... =) > > > Scott Martin > Morrigan Records > scott@morriganrecords.com > http://www.morriganrecords.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 17:43:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07363; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:43:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:43:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:22:10 EST Subject: Re: Cline/Bendian in Portland To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"-74VE2.0.UL7.uyQju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/21/0 5:55:45 PM, improv@peak.org writes: >>Just have to say I caught this show, practically by accident. We were gigging >>a block and a half away in downtown L.A. and afterward we walked by The Smell >>and heard all this racket. >I just wanted to add that *IT REALLY SUCKS* that Cline and Bendian are >playing 3 nights withing driving distance of me (Eugene, Portland and >Seattle) and I can't make any of the shows because I have gigs. I feel your pain, brother. I've been there. Nels and our very own LD'er Stig are local boys and I've been itching to catch them both for a year and a half, but always missed these interesting shows due to schedules - often my own gigs, too. Like I said - only by accident did I manage to catch this one! > I'll actually be playing just a few blocks away from their PDX show, but it >looks logistically impossible, unless they play really late. Could be - I think they went on about 11:50 and I heard they were scheduled for 10:00. This is also why I was able to not miss it. > The Rob Blakeslee 4-tet, awesome players and good friends of mine, are openning >the >Portland show, don't miss this if you are at all capable... What also sucks is they will probably miss all three of your shows, too. eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 18:07:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18834; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:07:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:07:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000224223430.44169.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [198.64.14.251] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DT videos? Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:34:30 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"L8R2z3.0.0P1.N8Rju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have two david torn video for 30$ CAlled painting with guitars. They retailed for. 29.99 >From: John Tidwell >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers Delight >Subject: DT videos? >Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:08:46 -0800 (PST) > >What's a good source for ordering David Torn videos? > >Many thanks. > >John > >===== >John Tidwell > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 18:25:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23091; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:25:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:25:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000224232103.10627.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:21:03 -0800 (PST) From: alias crossings Subject: Re: looping electronic sounds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"qVTqJ.0.jI5.knRju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Christine Bard wrote: > >Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:01:59 -0500 > >From: Tim Nelson > >Subject: looping electronic percussion > Is a volume pedal next to the hi hat too prosaic? > You can even use two > and pretend you have a mixer. (get two Dod 4second > delays and fake a stereo > signal...) > ...anything with a fader words well, also. I just got into this looping thing. My rig consists of a Jamman, Alesis MIDIverb IV and a Behringer Composer, I buss all my inputs through a MAckie 1402VLZ and use the AUX 1,2 for the Jamman (looper) and the Effects processor, the output of the jamman goes back into the line-in of the board so that I can layer some other sounds while hearing the looped program and add more effects, feedback is still a issue I'm working on. The Compressor, I havn't found a practical use for it yet but I intend on using it to control the gain levels signals into the Jamman so that the signal levels are well balanced. so far I've been looping sounds for a korg X-3, Theremin through a Wah-wah "sounds like a turntable under proper setting", mic (SFX, voice), fretless bass, fretted 5 string, guitar. I had all this gear and didn't really know what to do with it until I saw this one particular gig. Just got inspired to get into the looping business after seeing David Torn & Will Calhoun do there looping gig @ the knit(NYC). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 18:23:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22943; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:23:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:23:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B5BA0F.2D6B9416@pop.agri.ch> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:09:04 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: user-forum@waldorf-gmbh.de Subject: Re: Sunao Inami Live Scheule March 2000. References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1023224EBA06CCFE86A41A0A" Resent-Message-ID: <"tmh2X.0.bi4.BgRju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. --------------1023224EBA06CCFE86A41A0A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7828ECE911DE49CEEAA47CD9" --------------7828ECE911DE49CEEAA47CD9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello sunao, hi loopers if you like to do an additional gig in switzerland, e-mail me. the place would be boa, lucerne ( http://boaluzern.ch ) or in my club, i45 in zug ( www.i45.ch ) any others loopers touring in switzerland or europe are wellcome ... i'll do everything for my looper family ;-) keep on looping, jes=FAs Sunao Inami schrieb: > Hello, > > It is my next live gig info.. > > Sunao Inami Live Scheule March 2000. > > *March 12th-15th France Marseille > at GMEM(Group Music Electroacoustic Marseille) > > *March 17th-18th Switzerland Bearn > > *March 22th Japan Osaka > at Culb Bayside Jenny > by TIME CONTROL > more info: > http://www.subrosa.net > > details available in my site. > > Keep in touch > > Sunao Inami > http://www.cavestudio.com --------------7828ECE911DE49CEEAA47CD9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello sunao, hi loopers

if you like to do an additional gig in switzerland, e-mail me.

the place would be boa, lucerne ( http://boaluzern.ch ) or in my club, i45 in zug ( www.i45.ch )
any others loopers touring in switzerland or europe are wellcome ... i'll do everything for my looper family ;-)

keep on looping, jesús
 
 

Sunao Inami schrieb:

Hello,

It is my next live gig info..

Sunao Inami Live Scheule March 2000.

*March 12th-15th France Marseille
at GMEM(Group Music Electroacoustic Marseille)

*March 17th-18th Switzerland Bearn

*March 22th Japan Osaka
at Culb Bayside Jenny
 by TIME CONTROL
more info:
http://www.subrosa.net

details available in my site.

  Keep in touch

 Sunao Inami
http://www.cavestudio.com

--------------7828ECE911DE49CEEAA47CD9-- --------------1023224EBA06CCFE86A41A0A Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="j-turino.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Visitenkarte fŸr Jesœs Turi–o Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="j-turino.vcf" begin:vcard n:Turiño ;Jesús tel;fax:+41 41 761 33 91 (G) tel;home:+41 41 210 39 69 tel;work:+41 41 761 26 42 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.i45.ch org:i45 Zug adr:;;Waldstätterstrasse 16;Luzern;Luzern;6003;Switzerland version:2.1 email;internet:j-turino@pop.agri.ch x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Jesús Turiño end:vcard --------------1023224EBA06CCFE86A41A0A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 18:34:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30875; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:34:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:34:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000224183130.007b1260@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:31:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Digitech RDS footswitches, looping reverb In-Reply-To: <002801bf7ee4$403128b0$824badce@concentric.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20000223232806.007ae140@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"F69Cj.0.GD7.kxRju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:28 AM 2/24/00 -0500, you wrote: >> functions I'm interested in controlling are bypass, repeat hold, and VCO >> control. The online manual (thanks a TON, BTW, to whoever posted that) The absolute cheapest footswitch I've seen that would control the bypass and repeat hold is Radio Shack part # 44-610, for a whole $4.49 each. You'd have to change the plug, though. You can find 'em near the tape recorder supplies... I've got one velcroed to my pedalboard right next to a "real" one (ie, from a respected manufacturer) that cost five times as much (one for bypass, one for repeat hold), and they're pretty much identical. I've been stomping on the cheap little thing daily with my big size 12's, and it's lasted over a year now with no ill effects, although having said that it'll probably self-destruct into little plastic smithereens the next time I even look at it! Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 20:50:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22373; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:50:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:50:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00a401bf7f32$1d1263a0$839a4cd8@oemcomputer> From: "X-ray" To: "George Van Wagner" , "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Re: DL4/volume pedal modifications Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:46:09 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"0jKLH.0.Wt4.9vTju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks a lot George. I actually already own the Line6 exp pedal. It's fine, but I'm cursed with HUGE feet and my Boss pedal is a little more bigfoot-freindly. Mike >Heelback 0‡, toe down 10k‡. that's the secret formula. Now you can >modify your pedal to work, or buy one of ours and keep your vintage >Boss pedal intact (actually, my Boss RV-100 measures just that). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 21:03:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30189; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:03:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:03:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:57:19 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: torn vs. fripp To: looper list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"7iIbK.0.Ky6.Z6Uju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com which do you enjoy more,the ambient/soundscape/looping music of David Torn or Robert Fripp? And Why? - A __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 21:17:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01675; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:17:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:17:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:05:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp Resent-Message-ID: <"thABz3.0.M_7.XJUju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 2/24/00 A opened a big can of worms with: >which do you enjoy more,the ambient/soundscape/looping >music of David Torn or Robert Fripp? And Why? > >- A >__________________________________________________ Then I ducked...... Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 21:28:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08853; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:28:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:28:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200002250222.VAA18128@fb01.eng00.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:22:25 -0400 Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp From: "c.white" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_Ggfz1.0.km.gTUju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com uhm...neither. ---------- >From: Aaron Schindler >To: looper list >Subject: torn vs. fripp >Date: Thu, Feb 24, 2000, 9:57 PM > >which do you enjoy more,the ambient/soundscape/looping >music of David Torn or Robert Fripp? And Why? > >- A >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 22:27:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00338; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:27:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:27:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000224222112.007b5e50@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:21:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp In-Reply-To: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"EyGCQ.0.cE6.NJVju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I enjoy them both. At the moment, I'm listening to dt's 'and well i found no bottom' and enjoying it immensely. Fripp and Eno's "Evening Star" might be next. But it's never a question of greater preference as if they have to be ranked in a linear pecking order totem pole. I didn't watch the Grammys, either. One thing both of these fine musicians have in common is the fact that they have each had extensive backgrounds in a variety of contexts and have played with a wide spectrum of influential and interesting collaborators. It is through their respective interactions with these artists that we are able to see their playing from a broader range of perspectives than would normally be afforded the listeners of a less musically promiscuous player. I like to see how an excellent musician functions in different situations, bouncing a diversity of ideas off a number of innovative co-conspirators and responding creatively when the array of responses come bouncing back. -t At 05:57 PM 2/24/00 -0800, you wrote: >which do you enjoy more,the ambient/soundscape/looping >music of David Torn or Robert Fripp? And Why? > >- A From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 23:07:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27524; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:07:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:07:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <066501bf7f43$c63bafc0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:52:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"12jes3.0.nM6.WxVju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Whoa, a debate about the two mack-daddies of looped guitar?! This could get ugly! For my part, I wuv 'em both and consider them among my favorites. However, if pressed, I'd have to admit that I wish Fripp used his equipment a bit more resourcefully; I mean, with all the effects and synth modules he uses, why does he resort to that Mellotron-ish synthy sound 90% of the time, ignoring all the other timbral possibilities available to him? (probable answer: because he likes it) I think Torn gets more sonic mileage out of his equipment, especially considering that he's not going the synth route, but his pieces often lack the slow-burning, gradually-climaxing tension that Fripp is so great at manipulating. As a final aside, Torn's much more fun to watch during a performance. Peter PS My Boss GT-3 arrived in the mail yesterday. God, what a piece of machinery! This thing is going to keep me busy for years... ----- Original Message ----- From: Aaron Schindler To: looper list Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 8:57 PM Subject: torn vs. fripp > which do you enjoy more,the ambient/soundscape/looping > music of David Torn or Robert Fripp? And Why? > > - A > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 22:47:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11533; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:47:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:47:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200002250342.TAA29330@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp Date: Thu, 24 Feb 00 19:42:11 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: George Van Wagner To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"iQ6aF2.0.o_1.SeVju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I suspect that DT could take Fripp at hand to hand, but beyond that, why is it a competition? George >which do you enjoy more,the ambient/soundscape/looping >music of David Torn or Robert Fripp? And Why? > >- A >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 23:42:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19136; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:42:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:42:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <4.15cdc02.25e75fee@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:32:46 EST Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"cm4YO.0.Hs3.KOWju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com torn is tubes, fripp is transistors. k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 24 23:50:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22732; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:50:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:50:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000224234537.00a69de0@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:45:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp In-Reply-To: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Y4Oj21.0.Q85.eaWju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 05:57 PM 2/24/00 -0800, you wrote: >which do you enjoy more,the ambient/soundscape/looping >music of David Torn or Robert Fripp? And Why? > >- A I'm still trying to decide between Ben Neill and Squarepusher myself. Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 00:11:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10293; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:11:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:11:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000225000444.00a5b9f0@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:04:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp In-Reply-To: <4.15cdc02.25e75fee@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nrFtw.0.aq1.YsWju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com When I first saw the header, I got excited because I thought it was an upcoming Celebrity Deathmatch. Oh well, Paolo :) :) :) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 00:17:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12919; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:17:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:17:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000225051226.23719.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: fripp vs torn Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:12:26 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"ARNFS.0.KZ2.QzWju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I say we dress them both like chickens and have a cockfight! I've never heard Torn before. Some people say I should, but when they try to convince me, my chickens usually beat the crap out of their chickens. Matt Today's Quote: "I dressed up like a chicken and entered a cockfight when I was a lad. I quickly learned not to do it ever again. They may look like gentle, majestic creatures, but roosters are really evil little bitches" - Albert Einstein ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 05:09:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31642; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 05:09:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 05:09:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: torn vs. fripp Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:16:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"99WMY.0.wP7.5Ebju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Both of them are great, but I definitely agree with that Fripp is only using a marginal portion of his resources. And he sure could explore it some more. As with most guitarloopers, I find these constant FADING IN AND OUT OF NOTES, quite tedious after a while. It would be more interesting if they'd loop a guitar with a sharp pick attack and build a rhythmically complex web of notes instead, not to talk of a probable KEY CHANGE all of a sudden, to make things happening. I have one Fripp Cd "Blessing of tears" that is extremely beautiful. The old ones on vinyl (the 70's and 80's stuff). But I think the rest tend to sound the same. Is that why there arent THAT many players who indulge in looping? It tends to sound the same no matter who it is. Torn is definitely a favorite, and gets more mileage...but who cares? It's the end result that counts...what it soudns like in the end. Between those two, it's a tie. regards /Mats -----Original Message----- From: Peter Shindler [mailto:shindler@mediaone.net] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 4:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp Whoa, a debate about the two mack-daddies of looped guitar?! This could get ugly! For my part, I wuv 'em both and consider them among my favorites. However, if pressed, I'd have to admit that I wish Fripp used his equipment a bit more resourcefully; I mean, with all the effects and synth modules he uses, why does he resort to that Mellotron-ish synthy sound 90% of the time, ignoring all the other timbral possibilities available to him? (probable answer: because he likes it) I think Torn gets more sonic mileage out of his equipment, especially considering that he's not going the synth route, but his pieces often lack the slow-burning, gradually-climaxing tension that Fripp is so great at manipulating. As a final aside, Torn's much more fun to watch during a performance. Peter PS My Boss GT-3 arrived in the mail yesterday. God, what a piece of machinery! This thing is going to keep me busy for years... ----- Original Message ----- From: Aaron Schindler To: looper list Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 8:57 PM Subject: torn vs. fripp > which do you enjoy more,the ambient/soundscape/looping > music of David Torn or Robert Fripp? And Why? > > - A > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 06:18:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24766; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 06:18:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 06:18:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000225061321.007abd40@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 06:13:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000224234537.00a69de0@pop-server> References: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"whO6H2.0.Fj5.fDcju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:45 PM 2/24/00 -0500, you wrote: >I'm still trying to decide between Ben Neill and Squarepusher myself. > >Paolo Speaking of Ben Neill, does anyone know what equipment he uses? His "mutantrumpet" is very well-documented, but he also uses a huge rack fulla gear, and I'd love to know what he loops with... Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 07:09:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13430; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:09:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:09:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000225120338.3852.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:03:38 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"v-kIE2.0.X-2.w-cju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Interesting how many people assume I meant - "who is better" (I supposed due to the poorly worded subject), I actually asked who do you ENJOY more, you may simply have a preference - I doubt everyone likes all music equally ; I thought it would be interesting to hear exactly what drew you to one particular artist more than another. I ask because I've listened to a lot of Fripp and relatively little Torn, and was interested in how similar/dissimilar they are. Thanks for the feedback. Aaron --- George Van Wagner wrote: > Well, I suspect that DT could take Fripp at hand to > hand, but beyond > that, why is it a competition? > > George > > >which do you enjoy more,the > ambient/soundscape/looping > >music of David Torn or Robert Fripp? And Why? > > > >- A > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > >http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 09:03:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28552; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:03:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:03:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000225135630.18873.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.209] From: "David Potter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Describing looping to others Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 05:56:30 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"8piO82.0.806.leeju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi guys, 2/25/2000 The more I loop and get excited about the art of painting with sound the more I like to share the experience of what it is with others. My old jazz musician teacher from S.F. Herbie Lewis asked me what's looping? What's a looper? I gave him my best description but somehow I feel I could have done better. Do you have short,clear, consice ways of explaining to granny or Joe Bob or anyone to give them a good picture of what looping is? Thanks, Papa Dave Looping is.............. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 09:14:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31671; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:14:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:14:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:04:46 EST Subject: Re: Describing looping to others To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"P_nO_.0.LA7.ameju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com my wife describes my looping as either, "pretty" or "ugly". not sure that helps. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 09:43:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13216; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:43:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:43:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Describing looping to others Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:18:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"WZA-J1.0.HW2.SDfju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How about the audio equivalent of an ESCHER painting? Ya know, those stairs, figures that is perspectively screwed so they go upstairs as well as downstairs(!) and left and right at the same time as they go round in a square building and so on...tricks the eye... Objects in a picture that ends nowhere, but yet, turn its back on itself! What about... Sonic Fractals? ...ok then... not for Joe Bob or Granny perhaps ...:-) /mats -----Original Message----- From: PJBMHB@aol.com [mailto:PJBMHB@aol.com] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 3:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Describing looping to others my wife describes my looping as either, "pretty" or "ugly". not sure that helps. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 10:37:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05701; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:37:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:37:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <026b01bf7fa4$5e767990$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Describing looping to others Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:24:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"1Phf53.0.m-7.A-fju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >How about the audio equivalent of an ESCHER painting? I LIKE it! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 10:59:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16316; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:59:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:59:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: torn vs. fripp Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:43:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"IDaBh2.0.GT2.aMgju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK folks, would you please indulge me and list for me a list of DT records that I must have. I just realised I have no DT CDs. Hard to get into the ongoing argument this way. Thanks. | -----Original Message----- | From: Mats Eriksson (ECS) [mailto:Mats.Eriksson@ecs.ericsson.se] | Sent: Friday 25 February 2000 12:16 AM | To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' | Subject: RE: torn vs. fripp | | I have one Fripp Cd "Blessing of tears" that is extremely | beautiful. The old ones on vinyl (the 70's | and 80's stuff). But I think the rest tend to sound the same. | Is that why there arent THAT many players who indulge | in looping? It tends to sound the same no matter who it is. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 11:58:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08242; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:58:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:58:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <24.1a83c8b.25e80c1b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:47:23 EST Subject: Re: Describing looping to others To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: <"wfiLt3.0.DY.-8hju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Since a lot of otherwise very nice people seem to sometimes think of technology as, somehow, "cheating" when applied to the arts in general (and music in particular) I use the following analogy when talking about looping. Think about juggling. A juggler throws an object into the air and it returns. He throws it again and it returns. He throws many objects into the space above him and they all return. This "circle of motion" keeps going as long as (and as well as) the skill of the juggler holds out. Then imagine that the juggler adds some newfangled "antigravity" technology to his routine that allows him to put one of these "circles of motion" in place up in the air above his head and then remove his hands and still have it hanging their circling as long as he wishes. Further, imagine that he is able to hang ANY number of these moving "circles" of objects in midair--all sorts of objects, large, small, living or inanimate, whatever--and have the circles all chain in and out of one another and dance in the air above his head. What a show that would be! Certainly, there might still be a few who would scoff and say that this marvel was not "real" juggling in the traditional sense. But one would be hard pressed, I think, to make that judgment stick for long. Because at it's base is still involved all of the original skills of juggling. The "antigravity" technology is just an "amplification" of these. And, with artistry and skill, technology just becomes another one of the things the artist juggles. That is what looping is "like." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 12:02:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12608; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:02:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:02:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:53:42 -0300 Message-ID: <000109A0.C22133@jpbrasil.com.br> From: miguel.barella@jpbrasil.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re:RE: torn vs. fripp To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"tBKM7.0.Ww1.9Ihju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I suggest DT's "Cloud About Mercury" with Bruford & Levin (2/4 of King Crimson to make things more confuse) and David Sylvian's "Secrets from the beehive" so you can compare how does DT and RF colaborate with the same artist (RF plays on Sylvian's Gone to Earth as a colaborator). Miguel ____________________Separador de Resposta____________________ Assunto: RE: torn vs. fripp Autor: "Javier Miranda V." Data: 25/02/2000 11:13 OK folks, would you please indulge me and list for me a list of DT records that I must have. I just realised I have no DT CDs. Hard to get into the ongoing argument this way. Thanks. | -----Original Message----- | From: Mats Eriksson (ECS) [mailto:Mats.Eriksson@ecs.ericsson.se] | Sent: Friday 25 February 2000 12:16 AM | To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' | Subject: RE: torn vs. fripp | | I have one Fripp Cd "Blessing of tears" that is extremely | beautiful. The old ones on vinyl (the 70's | and 80's stuff). But I think the rest tend to sound the same. | Is that why there arent THAT many players who indulge | in looping? It tends to sound the same no matter who it is. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 12:58:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04084; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:58:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:58:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004201bf7fb8$f987cd80$6822dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <000109A0.C22133@jpbrasil.com.br> Subject: Describing Looping to Others...? Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:51:37 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"vnSXJ3.0.ak7.B5iju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Pretty much a lost cause with a lot of folks, if not an unnecessary use of words to boot. How much better to just PLAY it for them? Let the listener decide what they're hearing, and the rest pretty much goes as it goes, eh? Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 13:13:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09670; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:13:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:13:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000225130427.007cd240@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:04:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re:RE: torn vs. fripp In-Reply-To: <000109A0.C22133@jpbrasil.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"CBi9V2.0.tk1.pGiju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 01:53 PM 2/25/00 -0300, you wrote: >I suggest DT's "Cloud About Mercury" with Bruford & Levin (2/4 of King Crimson >to make things more confuse) and David Sylvian's "Secrets from the beehive" so >you can compare how does DT and RF colaborate with the same artist (RF plays on >Sylvian's Gone to Earth as a colaborator). > >Miguel or you could get Bruford/Levin's "Upper Extremities" which has some tasty Torn and Sylvian/Fripp's "The First Day" (which has Trey Gunn and Pat Mastelotto, the rhythm section of the current King Crimson). as far as Torn recomendations, i've said before (i even think in this forum) "What Means Solid, Traveller?", "Polytown" and Mark Isham's Score for "The Beast" are great places to start. then again "Cloud About Mercury" is the record that completely changed the way i approach music... and maybe even someday the "Splattercell" disc will be released! m ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 13:28:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19670; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:28:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:28:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:22:13 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, aaron_sorghum@yahoo.com Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp Resent-Message-ID: <"5Un7t2.0.Z53.wXiju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> Aaron Schindler 02/24 6:01 PM >>> which do you enjoy more,the ambient/soundscape/looping music of David Torn or Robert Fripp? And Why? While I love both players and could say they've been important influences on me, I find David Torn more exciting to listen to because, to me, his tracks feel less contrived and more off the cuff. He's also not afraid to just play the damn guitar... Like Fripp, DT has pioneered looping and sound treatments extensively and they both excel at this in their own unique ways. Now... Fripp has amazed me through the years... I've was able to see both ProjeKCt 2 and 4... which I've heard criticised heavily, but feel that both contained some amazing moments of pure music. I much prefer the ProjeKCts to Crimson. (Flameproof suit ON!) Those projects also gave me a much needed dose of pure Fripp energy, with him stepping out and just ripping with his trademark sounds and audio events/treatments as well as looping. One thing about them live... just pure sound tech... It's always been easier for me to find Fripp in the mix than David. I haven't had the opportunity to see DT in the last couple years, but back when I did see him a couple times, I could barely hear him in the mix. Hopefully things have improved in that department! In the end I still love them both! Peace, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 13:35:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21361; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:35:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:35:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:26:55 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Describing looping to others In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zQqSU1.0.Bt4.7fiju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com be careful that you're not describing the style of music, rather than a technique used in creating it! As soon as you start talking about "sound paintings" and such, to me you are just describing a sort of ambient music where looping is used, but you're not really giving a description of looping. You could just as easily use looping for industrial metal or bluegrass or modern barber shop quartet or world techno or whatever. I usually say that looping is just a musical technique of sampling and manipulating audio data in real time. If they have more questions, I explain more about the technique, putting it into the context of whatever type of music they like. That works great! kim >How about the audio equivalent of an ESCHER painting? >Ya know, those stairs, figures that is perspectively screwed so they go >upstairs as >well as downstairs(!) and left and right at the same time as they go round >in a square building and so on...tricks the eye... >Objects in a picture that ends nowhere, but yet, turn its back on itself! > >What about... >Sonic Fractals? > >...ok then... not for Joe Bob or Granny perhaps ...:-) >/mats > >-----Original Message----- >From: PJBMHB@aol.com [mailto:PJBMHB@aol.com] >Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 3:05 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Describing looping to others > > >my wife describes my looping as either, "pretty" or "ugly". not sure that >helps. =-) PJ ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 13:43:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24061; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:43:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:43:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: looper list Subject: RE: torn vs. fripp Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:33:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"5oGok3.0.aF5.dkiju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmm. Who is Robert Fripp? I've never heard of him. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Schindler [mailto:aaron_sorghum@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 8:57 PM To: looper list Subject: torn vs. fripp which do you enjoy more,the ambient/soundscape/looping music of David Torn or Robert Fripp? And Why? - A __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 13:55:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27453; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:55:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:55:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000225184733.2264.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.247] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Describing looping to others Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:47:33 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"yw6ee1.0.206.cviju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I need to know what an Escher painting is to relate it to looping! >From: "Dennis W. Leas" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: Describing looping to others >Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:24:12 -0500 > > >How about the audio equivalent of an ESCHER painting? > >I LIKE it! > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 14:14:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06141; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:14:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:14:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:08:08 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Describing looping to others Resent-Message-ID: <"xJ6lF2.0.q51.vCjju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> "David Potter" 02/25 10:53 AM >>> > I need to know what an Escher painting is to relate it to looping! http://www.worldofescher.com/gallery/ Lots of examples of his amazing work! BTW: I still want my copy of the Loopers Delight CD Volume 2 back! Hope all's well with you and yours... -Biffoz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 15:35:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10457; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:35:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:35:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:34:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: traig Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp Resent-Message-ID: <"5q1MA1.0.Xq.XLkju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>>> Aaron Schindler 02/24 6:01 PM >>> >which do you enjoy more,the ambient/soundscape/looping music of David >Torn or Robert Fripp? And Why? > >While I love both players and could say they've been important >influences on me, I find David Torn more exciting to listen to >because, to me, his tracks feel less contrived and more off the cuff. >He's also not afraid to just play the damn guitar... Like Fripp, DT i am new to this list but it is a great one and i am glad i joined. and now my two cents on the fripp/torn thing. the last statement above pretty much sums it up for me. torn will just play the damn guitar and not worry about the way he holds the pick. fripp has some great stuff with crimson, solo and with mr. eno - but fripp has got to be the most pretentious person ever to play the guitar. i heard a lecture by him once and he spent a half hour tearing jimi hendrix apart because jimi didn't use proper technique. torn's POLYTOWN (w/bozzio and karn) and WHAT MEANS SOLID TRAVELLER are both masterpieces in my opinion. i used to be on the torn mailing list and he would write messages from time to time and give everyone insights on his compositions and what he was up to - and if you sent him email, he would send it back. i love approachable geniuses. 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--------------1CC026A4FF7E8BC56C59453B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 15:59:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22757; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:59:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:59:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Describing looping to others Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:52:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"5TPCQ2.0.0v3.Zkkju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I usually give it a funny twist with saying, and confessing about, "well its a technique for us lazy bummers, that allow us to play a thing just ONCE, we don't have to stay that busy with our hands, and then recycle it, just like trash, garbage...it comes back..." and then after a while raising my hands in the air (demonstrating it) saying: "Hey, look and listen!... no hands...!" Most people, even senior citizens, do know what a tape recorder or natural echo (yelling in Grand Canyon) was/is, and you can elaborate it from there...well they even now what an old vinyl record was...just tell them the mean way:" It's just like an old record that's stuck!" /mats -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] Sent: den 25 februari 2000 19:27 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Describing looping to others be careful that you're not describing the style of music, rather than a technique used in creating it! As soon as you start talking about "sound paintings" and such, to me you are just describing a sort of ambient music where looping is used, but you're not really giving a description of looping. You could just as easily use looping for industrial metal or bluegrass or modern barber shop quartet or world techno or whatever. I usually say that looping is just a musical technique of sampling and manipulating audio data in real time. If they have more questions, I explain more about the technique, putting it into the context of whatever type of music they like. That works great! kim >How about the audio equivalent of an ESCHER painting? >Ya know, those stairs, figures that is perspectively screwed so they go >upstairs as >well as downstairs(!) and left and right at the same time as they go round >in a square building and so on...tricks the eye... >Objects in a picture that ends nowhere, but yet, turn its back on itself! > >What about... >Sonic Fractals? > >...ok then... not for Joe Bob or Granny perhaps ...:-) >/mats > >-----Original Message----- >From: PJBMHB@aol.com [mailto:PJBMHB@aol.com] >Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 3:05 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Describing looping to others > > >my wife describes my looping as either, "pretty" or "ugly". not sure that >helps. =-) PJ ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 16:22:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29666; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:22:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:22:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: m1cha3l@earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200002252109.QAA26087@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:15:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #57 Resent-Message-ID: <"0TXEd1.0.Ds6.45lju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Where is this in Brooklyn? I'm in manhattan, and I'd love to check it out. Williamsburg? MT >Hi - > I am a newcomer to this list, so I hope a little shameless >self-promotion is OK. I'm sure someone will be interested in this >performance, sorry for the short notice. It will be 1/2 DJing & 1/2 >loop-based live mixing. Here's a list of some of the gear we use : >Lexicon Vortex >Digitech Timemachine RDS8000 >Boss PS-3 pitchshifter/delay >Oberheim Echoplex >Dr.Sample > >=========================== >SPACECAKES >Volume #2 >ambient ~ trip-hop ~ lounge >--------------------------- >featuring the >Background Music System >with >DJ TORTOISEHEAD >& DR. MOJO >--------------------------- >visual engineering by >TOTAL ECLIPSE MULTIMEDIA >--------------------------- >Saturday 2/26 9PM >--------------------------- >@ Halcyon >227 Smith St. Brooklyn >www.halcyonline.com >718-260-WAXY >======================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 16:03:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24549; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:03:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:03:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: torn vs. fripp Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:58:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"fmlAb2.0.tW5.Oqkju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Finally, someone shares my view on Fripp as well! But, in the end,it's what comes out of the speakers that counts. Fripp's indulging more in HOW, than WHAT. /mats solo and with mr. eno - but fripp has got to be the most pretentious person ever to play the guitar. i heard a lecture by him once and he spent a half hour tearing jimi hendrix apart because jimi didn't use proper technique. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 17:06:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18108; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:06:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:06:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B6F921.799D5C59@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:50:29 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: someone say escher? (debatable l.c.) References: <20000225184733.2264.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lkr3w1.0.RG2.jYlju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Potter wrote: > I need to know what an Escher painting is to relate it to looping! > > >From: "Dennis W. Leas" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: Describing looping to others > >Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:24:12 -0500 > > > > >How about the audio equivalent of an ESCHER painting? > > > >I LIKE it! > > > >Dennis Leas hm, not to be an off-topic nitpicker here :-), but i'm afraid there's no such thing as an escher *painting* (or at least no examples i've seen in the public domain). escher's chosen mediums were woodcut and lithograph (so escher *drawing* would be more correct...sorry!). as for dtorn/fripp, i s'pose i should chime in with my dos centavos; haven't seen but fripp live (and that was pretty tame-except when at several points in the evening's program his regenerations got the best of him and a mad scramble to shut things down insued: great fun that!), but mr. torn's been seen (or read) around these parts, so i better be careful what i say 'bout him :-)...seriously, they are both amazing souls, i do think i like fripp's early crimson/eno work the best (i keep up with the latter output but sporadically, hoping *this one* will be great)...some of his solos from eno's first few albums rank among my very favorite bits. mr. torn is a world unto himself. i enjoy his sylvian collaborations as well (great subterfuge, while fripp stays more on top?). anyway, one unfamiliar with either or both (hard to imagine on this list) would do well to sample as befits their discretion. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 16:52:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10671; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:52:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:52:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Describing looping to others Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:34:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"dFVEl2.0.LH1.MLlju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Now, Kim, I am careful. I said AUDIO equivalent, not MUSICAL equivalent, there's a difference. Look at the link, that Mike Biffle sent, BTW thanks! That will get you folks a hint of the idea. M C Escher uses THE SAME TECHNIQUE, basically, in all his paintings, but paints/draws different motifs all the time. And then, it was just a suggestion... "how about..." But definitely not a simple explanation for John Doe or Granny! In classical music notation it is called an OSTINATO pattern. Ravels Bolero being the most famous composition, /demonstration of how to use an OSTINATO pattern all the way through. Ravel was really a looper DJ... >be careful that you're not describing the style of music, rather than a kim >>How about the audio equivalent of an ESCHER painting? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 17:19:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22057; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:19:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:19:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Weird Lexicon MPX100 experience Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:57:24 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <"-k4lm1.0.j14.aklju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey. I just tried out that MPX100 and it's got a weird patch that does a sample and hold effect on whatever audio comes through it. And then it's got another one where if you play clean, syncopated guitar (or something like a clavinet) it creates a really wild funky rhythmic POPPING effect kind of like a sequencer on steroids. You gotta try this thing. It would be very cool for loops and such. Soapbox mode off. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 18:24:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14109; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:24:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:24:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007f01bf7fe4$c39535b0$124badce@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Describing looping to others Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:05:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"2FA_q1.0.x72.Jdmju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Similarly, I use the analogy of realtime multitrack recording, since most mortals are at least familiar with that concept. LT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 1:26 PM Subject: RE: Describing looping to others > be careful that you're not describing the style of music, rather than a > technique used in creating it! As soon as you start talking about "sound > paintings" and such, to me you are just describing a sort of ambient music > where looping is used, but you're not really giving a description of > looping. You could just as easily use looping for industrial metal or > bluegrass or modern barber shop quartet or world techno or whatever. > > I usually say that looping is just a musical technique of sampling and > manipulating audio data in real time. If they have more questions, I > explain more about the technique, putting it into the context of whatever > type of music they like. That works great! > > kim > > >How about the audio equivalent of an ESCHER painting? > >Ya know, those stairs, figures that is perspectively screwed so they go > >upstairs as > >well as downstairs(!) and left and right at the same time as they go round > >in a square building and so on...tricks the eye... > >Objects in a picture that ends nowhere, but yet, turn its back on itself! > > > >What about... > >Sonic Fractals? > > > >...ok then... not for Joe Bob or Granny perhaps ...:-) > >/mats > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: PJBMHB@aol.com [mailto:PJBMHB@aol.com] > >Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 3:05 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Re: Describing looping to others > > > > > >my wife describes my looping as either, "pretty" or "ugly". not sure that > >helps. =-) PJ > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 19:14:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01899; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:14:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:14:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <16.15986a5.25e86d62@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:42:26 EST Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"cLJGc2.0.DU5.EEnju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/25/00 8:09:48 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, Mats.Eriksson@ecs.ericsson.se writes: << Is that why there arent THAT many players who indulge in looping? It tends to sound the same no matter who it is. >> i dont think that i agree with this.....and thats all im going to say about it.........:)........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 19:44:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13768; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:44:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:44:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: rswitzer@mail.pa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:12:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Switzer Subject: Re: fripp vs torn In-Reply-To: <20000225051226.23719.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <7735EBE473D.AAA6068@MailServer.cowles.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"wx_6v2.0.2m.Pjnju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:12 PM 2/24/00 -0800, you wrote: >I say we dress them both like chickens and have a cockfight! I would pay a lot to see this. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 22:11:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06911; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:11:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:11:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B739E4.ABF2D78C@quik.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:26:44 -0800 From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Reply-To: dgoat@sekhetmaat.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LqLR82.0.jN7.Yxpju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 "Javier Miranda V." wrote: > > OK folks, would you please indulge me and list for me a list of DT records > that I must have. I just realised I have no DT CDs. Hard to get into the > ongoing argument this way. Polytown, Tripping Over God, What Means Soild Traveller? 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 25 22:45:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19690; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:45:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002601bf8008$f3816360$40348218@we.mediaone.net> From: "MediaOne" To: "Loopers List" Subject: OT- Mini Disc Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:24:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"D_ac_1.0.4I2.kQqju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Sharp Mdms722 can be had for $150- great deal- I love my 702- anyone know if the 722 has a lighted MAIN lcd window? It needs it- here's a link- http://www.etown.com/categories/product_profile.jhtml?fromIDA=null&bodyinclu de=partner&productID=409&categoryID=39&manufacturerID=109#mainbody Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 26 00:33:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32393; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 00:33:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 00:33:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990101051850.00a65680@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 05:18:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: [OT] Interest in JI software/hardware In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000225061321.007abd40@pop.ici.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20000224234537.00a69de0@pop-server> <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FUcKe1.0.N74.mwrju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm interested in exploring Just Intonation and am exploring various options. In any case, it looks like I need something capable of a tuning resolution smaller than 1 cent. A quick perusal of the Just Intonation scales on the Microtonal Synthesis Page (http://home.att.net/~microtonal/) shows practical every scale composed of note degrees that are at a precision of as little as thousandths of a cent. One option is just do everything on my PC. Native Instruments Generator/Reaktor/Transformer appears to offer floating-point precision for scale resolution. How about other software synths such as Reality? Yes, I know what Csound is :), but I want something I can play in realtime with a MIDI controller. The main problem with this approach is that it would be difficult to take this "instrument" out to gigs (there are people I would like to jam with, and soon). Another option appears to be PC software that imposes any tuning you want on any MIDI sound source by using MIDI pitch-bend. But again, it looks like I'll have to bring my PC to the gig if I want to use this option. Yet another option appears to be getting a sampler, but that's only because I have no idea of the scale resolution such beasts are capable of. I ask this here because several of you are interested in this stuff. Thanks, Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 26 00:57:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10682; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 00:57:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 00:57:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 23:34:43 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200002260534.XAA06433@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Describing looping to others Resent-Message-ID: <"glnEU.0.o8.XOsju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com that sure helps if your looper is a boomerang! :-) At 11:47 AM 25/02/00 EST, you wrote: >Since a lot of otherwise very nice people seem to sometimes think of >technology as, somehow, "cheating" when applied to the arts in general (and >music in particular) I use the following analogy when talking about looping. > >Think about juggling. A juggler throws an object into the air and it returns. >He throws it again and it returns. He throws many objects into the space >above him and they all return. This "circle of motion" keeps going as long as >(and as well as) the skill of the juggler holds out. > >Then imagine that the juggler adds some newfangled "antigravity" technology >to his routine that allows him to put one of these "circles of motion" in >place up in the air above his head and then remove his hands and still have >it hanging their circling as long as he wishes. > >Further, imagine that he is able to hang ANY number of these moving "circles" >of objects in midair--all sorts of objects, large, small, living or >inanimate, whatever--and have the circles all chain in and out of one another >and dance in the air above his head. What a show that would be! > >Certainly, there might still be a few who would scoff and say that this >marvel was not "real" juggling in the traditional sense. But one would be >hard pressed, I think, to make that judgment stick for long. Because at it's >base is still involved all of the original skills of juggling. The >"antigravity" technology is just an "amplification" of these. And, with >artistry and skill, technology just becomes another one of the things the >artist juggles. > >That is what looping is "like." > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 26 04:06:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08413; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 04:06:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 04:06:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000a01bf8036$52944020$0525fed8@swirlee.speakeasy.org> From: "Jan P" To: Subject: Re: [OT] Interest in JI software/hardware Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 00:48:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ox5LK1.0.tB.BDvju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com BeOS is becoming a more viable option for realtime audio stuff, especially if you can code. Another very flexible and portable platform for sonic exporation and realtime performance is a Powerbook G3 running MAX/MSP [www.cycling74.com] or SuperCollider. for me it is important to be able to channel this stuff down through a process that is me, not accept the factorystamp process for making music... maxmsp is great for this, because you first design the process and then play it. maxmsp is a pretty thorough graphical language, and its extensible into C++, so you should have no problem rigging up microtonal jams. kit clayton showed me his live granular synth and the software wiring was staggeringly thick and maxmsp was still flying. i'll be wiring up some custom looping tools in maxmsp as soon as i get it running. exciting. in lake'ch jan -----Original Message----- From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, February 25, 2000 9:15 PM Subject: [OT] Interest in JI software/hardware >I'm interested in exploring Just Intonation and am exploring various options. > >In any case, it looks like I need something capable of a tuning resolution >smaller than 1 cent. A quick perusal of the Just Intonation scales on the >Microtonal Synthesis Page (http://home.att.net/~microtonal/) shows >practical every scale composed of note degrees that are at a precision of >as little as thousandths of a cent. > >One option is just do everything on my PC. Native Instruments >Generator/Reaktor/Transformer appears to offer floating-point precision for >scale resolution. How about other software synths such as Reality? Yes, I >know what Csound is :), but I want something I can play in realtime with a >MIDI controller. The main problem with this approach is that it would be >difficult to take this "instrument" out to gigs (there are people I would >like to jam with, and soon). > >Another option appears to be PC software that imposes any tuning you want >on any MIDI sound source by using MIDI pitch-bend. But again, it looks >like I'll have to bring my PC to the gig if I want to use this option. > >Yet another option appears to be getting a sampler, but that's only because >I have no idea of the scale resolution such beasts are capable of. > >I ask this here because several of you are interested in this stuff. > >Thanks, >Paolo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 26 07:01:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25053; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 07:01:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 07:01:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SnarleyCo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 06:42:13 EST Subject: Re: Describing looping to others To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Resent-Message-ID: <"f5g6V1.0.L_4.Ymxju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/25/00 11:58:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, KILLINFO@aol.com writes: << technology just becomes another one of the things the artist juggles. >> Thats IT ; what a wonderful quote. I can now explain myself to my wife etc....:-) Carl Snow Moss Hill REC> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 26 07:36:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00640; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 07:36:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 07:36:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <74.1b7cc60.25e91ed5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 07:19:33 EST Subject: Re: Weird Lexicon MPX100 experience To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"YuQWr.0.6-6.tJyju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com im love my mpx100. you can save 16 patches and 2 of my saved patches are exactly the ones you are describing. it also has really great sounding chourus and delays. best box around for the money. sounds 100% better than the alesis stuff i used to own. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 26 09:17:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27540; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:17:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:17:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000226135755.81102.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.138.205] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fripp vs torn Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 05:57:55 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"vYlIE2.0.xX5.4mzju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: Robert Switzer >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: fripp vs torn >Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:12:28 -0500 > >At 09:12 PM 2/24/00 -0800, you wrote: > > >I say we dress them both like chickens and have a cockfight! > >I would pay a lot to see this. > I think we should dress them like cocks and have a chicken fight. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 26 11:04:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25301; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:04:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:04:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38B7AC5B.63B2FEDC@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:35:07 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp References: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xHDEY3.0.Qx4.PH_ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com guitarists ... oh no!! ;-) seriously, you guys are the biggest hero worshippers out there. i mean do you see any of us drummers chewing up bandwidth with details of will calhouns looping gear? get a life you guys ;-) all in good fun, rob Aaron Schindler schrieb: > > > which do you enjoy more,the ambient/soundscape/looping > music of David Torn or Robert Fripp? And Why? > > - A From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 26 11:07:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26544; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:07:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:07:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200002261548.KAA32556@emh1.pa.net> X-Sender: rswitzer@mail.pa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 10:46:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Switzer Subject: Re: [OT] Interest in JI software/hardware In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990101051850.00a65680@pop-server> References: <3.0.5.32.20000225061321.007abd40@pop.ici.net> <3.0.6.32.20000224234537.00a69de0@pop-server> <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"kid8F2.0.kF5.aN_ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Reality 1.56 isn't capable of microtonal scale maps, but this feature has been requested by quite a few people, and will probably be included in a future release. Using MAX/Building Blocks/Keykit to filter the MIDI note steam and apply an appropriate amount of pitch bend is an option. rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 26 11:45:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03320; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:45:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:45:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000226112521.007b39a0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:25:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp In-Reply-To: <38B7AC5B.63B2FEDC@compuserve.com> References: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"wru873.0.EO7.7u_ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:35 AM 2/26/00 +0100, you wrote: >i mean do you see any of us drummers chewing up bandwidth with details >of will calhoun's looping gear? I'd like to know the details of his looping gear and more about how he uses it. I don't care what kind of sticks he uses, though... -t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 26 11:53:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04623; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:53:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:53:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:33:28 EST Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"_kM1-1.0.t7.z10ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i just want to know what kind of brushes uses and which hand he usually uses to start his paradiddles. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 26 13:26:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03908; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:26:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:26:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <55.29eeda0.25e96d25@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:53:41 EST Subject: Re: Weird Lexicon MPX100 experience To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"MWUFB3.0.oX5.BD1ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 25/02/00 22:06:06 GMT Standard Time, crash@waste.org writes: > funky rhythmic POPPING effect kind of like a sequencer on steroids. > > You gotta try this thing. It would be very cool for loops and such. which one's that??? (Hi Todd) yes I too use and recomend the MPX100 Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 26 13:42:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07734; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:42:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:42:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B816ED.85B5FEAE@inreach.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 10:09:53 -0800 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp References: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20000225061321.007abd40@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GbNmT.0.v37.wR1ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey! Could you point me in the direction of this "mutantrumpet" documentation? BTW - I've heard some of Jon Hassel's work credited an elusive instrument of the same name... (looping trumpet is one of my things.) Much obliged! eric o. Tim Nelson wrote: > At 11:45 PM 2/24/00 -0500, you wrote: > >I'm still trying to decide between Ben Neill and Squarepusher myself. > > > >Paolo > Speaking of Ben Neill, does anyone know what equipment he uses? His > "mutantrumpet" is very well-documented, but he also uses a huge rack fulla > gear, and I'd love to know what he loops with... > > Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 26 14:52:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31026; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:52:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:52:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000f01bf8091$13ebd8a0$9804f7a5@s5r0o3> From: "Judson Crane" To: Subject: Torn and Bozzio Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:38:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BF8067.2A4C6620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"DlsbZ3.0.eE7.Jp2ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BF8067.2A4C6620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know if David Torn and Terry Bozzio are still playing at the = Kntting Factory next week? I could of sworn that DT plugged a March 3rd = show on this list a month ago. Jud=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BF8067.2A4C6620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone know if David Torn and = Terry Bozzio are=20 still playing at the Kntting Factory next week?  I could of sworn = that DT=20 plugged a March 3rd show on this list a month ago.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BF8067.2A4C6620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 26 15:30:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14822; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:30:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:30:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000226152900.007b1140@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:29:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: ben neill (was torn vs. fripp) In-Reply-To: <38B816ED.85B5FEAE@inreach.com> References: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20000225061321.007abd40@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"izldm2.0.vY3.ZS3ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sure, his website is The "tech" page tells all about the controller itself, but not what's in that great big rack to his left onstage. When I saw him duet with drummer Jim Mussen about a year and a half ago, there was a lot of looping going on, but I couldn't see what he was using. I could see a couple of laptops in his rig, but I don't think it was all pre-sequenced. I enjoy all three of the Neill albums I've heard (Green Machine, Tryptical and Goldbug), but have to say that the added dimension of Jim Mussen's excellent and innovative drumming surpassed anything on the albums. I wish he'd record with Mussen! Tim At 10:09 AM 2/26/00 -0800, you wrote: >Could you point me in the direction of this "mutantrumpet" documentation? >BTW - I've heard some of Jon Hassel's work credited an elusive instrument of >the same name... >(looping trumpet is one of my things.) >Much obliged! >eric o. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 26 23:13:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17400; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:13:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:13:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000227040515.25390.qmail@web3404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:05:15 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"r3j3B.0.9g3.VAAku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Q - How many drummers does it take to change a lightbulb? A - Five, one to change the light bulb and four to say how much better Neil Pert would have done it. All in good fun! : ) Aaron --- Cummings wrote: > guitarists ... oh no!! ;-) > > seriously, you guys are the biggest hero worshippers > out there. > i mean do you see any of us drummers chewing up > bandwidth with details > of will calhouns looping gear? > > get a life you guys ;-) > > all in good fun, > rob > > Aaron Schindler schrieb: > > > > > > which do you enjoy more,the > ambient/soundscape/looping > > music of David Torn or Robert Fripp? And Why? > > > > - A > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 27 00:01:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03076; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 00:01:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 00:01:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:55:47 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Onnen X-Sender: skyeklad@verdi.siteprotect.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: MPX-100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"U4ghj2.0.CE.uvAku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree that the MPX-100 is a great little box. I wish I had several of them. I like the fact that you can synch delay times to MIDI clocks. I was also wondering which specific presets you are referring to. thanks ------------------- im love my mpx100. you can save 16 patches and 2 of my saved patches are exactly the ones you are describing. it also has really great sounding chourus and delays. best box around for the money. sounds 100% better than the alesis stuff i used to own. =-) PJ ------------------- ___________________________________________________________ Dave Onnen skyeklad@skyeklad.com http://www.skyeklad.com/ http://www.skyeklad.com/ousia/ ___________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 27 01:08:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29629; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:08:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:08:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B8BE7B.5DB5784F@virtulink.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:04:43 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looped Trumpet (was Re: torn vs. fripp) References: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20000225061321.007abd40@pop.ici.net> <38B816ED.85B5FEAE@inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kAfwW3.0.ev6.TvBku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com eric wrote: > > Hey! > Could you point me in the direction of this "mutantrumpet" documentation? I don't know of any documentation. Ben Neill has a trumpet that has more than one bell, more like a couple of trumpets in one with some kind of midi control. > BTW - I've heard some of Jon Hassel's work credited an elusive instrument of > the same name... While he runs it through a bunch of effects, Jon Hassell does it all with his lip and his ear. > (looping trumpet is one of my things.) > Much obliged! > eric o. > A looped horn is a beautiful thing. Check out Chet Baker on the new archive release by Terry Riley, Music for the Gift, (organ of corti 1). It seems like looped trumpet started here! There's also some looped sax on some old Terry Riley recordings, I think. I need a new needle for my turn table. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 27 01:26:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06906; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:26:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:26:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B8C20F.DE6E872D@virtulink.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:19:59 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [OT] Interest in JI software/hardware References: <3.0.6.32.20000224234537.00a69de0@pop-server> <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.6.32.19990101051850.00a65680@pop-server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JuNSg3.0.e8.h7Cku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > > I'm interested in exploring Just Intonation and am exploring various options. There's an tuning email list at onelist.com. Also a New Just Intonation list. Get David Doty's Just Intonation Primer: http://www.dnai.com/~jinetwk/ -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 27 01:45:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10731; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:45:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:45:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990102065458.00a634b0@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 06:54:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [OT] Interest in JI software/hardware In-Reply-To: <38B8C20F.DE6E872D@virtulink.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000224234537.00a69de0@pop-server> <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.6.32.19990101051850.00a65680@pop-server> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fHXZw3.0.CK2.uQCku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 01:19 AM 2/27/00 -0500, you wrote: >pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com wrote: >> >> I'm interested in exploring Just Intonation and am exploring various options. > >There's an tuning email list at onelist.com. Also a >New Just Intonation list. Get David Doty's Just Intonation >Primer: http://www.dnai.com/~jinetwk/ This was one of the sites I looked at but could not find the information I seek - and that is any information which can help answer this question: What are my hardware and software options? Yes, there is plenty of information on this site and the other sites linked to it - but none of it organized in a concise way to answer my question (like a FAQ). At the rate this is going, it looks like I do have to invest in another computer (a laptop) if I want a gig-friendly solution. Not really what I was hoping to see, but I guess that's life. Thanks, Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 27 07:29:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22513; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 07:29:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 07:29:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.195cdf6.25ea70f4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 07:22:12 EST Subject: Re: MPX-100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"u4r882.0.XC5.PSHku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the patches i saved are the looping patch which has about 5 or 6 seconds of looping. i think it is the inf. repeat. the other patch is a rhythmic pan that i believe is 8th notes. i have a tap pedal so i can get in or out of time with whatever i am doing. if i mix it in very lightly it can sound very atmospheric. gives a little ghostly movement to loops or whatever else i use it with. sorry i can't be more specific but i tend to not really be a "read the manual type." i listen and and tweak and then save as a preset. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 27 09:50:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04687; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 09:50:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 09:50:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006b01bf812e$9d6cdfa0$9d95f5ce@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 09:25:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"6kFfW1.0.g97.8LJku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for EMUSIC EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #153 February 24, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on American synthesist Michael Garrison. Tonight's Feature CD at Midnight was Brave New Worlds on the Windspell label. The music of Vir Unis and Saul Stokes was played to promote their upcoming performances at the next Gathering. Gathering #23: http://www.starsend.org/23gather.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Stratosphere Arriving at the Boundaries Life Reviewed (Spheric Recordings) Saul Stokes First Jump Zo Pilots (Hypnos) Chris Snidow Number Our Days Number Our Days (none) Syndromeda Missa Gaia Electronica The Legacy of GOD (Groove) Under the Dome Flussiger Vier-Takter The Demon Haunted World (Neu Harmony) Pseudo Buddha Solo Motive (Uncle Buzz Records) Ma Ja Le & Vir Unis Passionate Lava Imaginarium (Mirage) 12:00 am Michael Garrison Vertical Circles Brave New Worlds (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Call Me Down Brave New Worlds (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Rings of Pegasus Brave New Worlds (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Renegade Moon Brave New Worlds (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Journey of Thoughts Brave New Worlds (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Into the Distance Brave New Worlds (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Visions Brave New Worlds (Windspell Music) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on the seventh annual Alfa Centauri Electronic Music Festival in Huizen, The Netherlands. The feature CD at midnight will be "Species" by Wave World on the Quantum label. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 27 12:25:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23298; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 12:25:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 12:25:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B90279.BA8A58B6@texas.net> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 10:54:49 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist References: <006b01bf812e$9d6cdfa0$9d95f5ce@-> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KUd3p.0.oV3.BRLku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey all - i'm very happy to see that pseudo buddha (featuring 3 l.d. listgeeks) got played on bill fox's emusic. hooray hooray... bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 27 14:48:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06425; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 14:48:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 14:48:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000227145713.008ffa10@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 14:57:13 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl?= Bonell =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom=E0s?= Subject: mutant trumpet In-Reply-To: <38B816ED.85B5FEAE@inreach.com> References: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20000225061321.007abd40@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id OAA00693 Resent-Message-ID: <"RR6dD2.0.yD.NmNku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:09 a.m. 26/02/00 -0800, you wrote: http://www.mercurious.com/ben-neill/ try this, it's an old url, but maybe ... >Could you point me in the direction of this "mutantrumpet" documentation? ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// D o c t o r S a x N e w s New CD-R Release ! Price: 3 EUROS (including packing & postage) or trading for a cd / tape of your music. http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/Doctor_Sax_News/ ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Raül Bonell Tomàs http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/slollnoirc ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 27 15:36:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23519; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:36:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:36:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38B97B59.E4AA6C5D@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:30:33 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp References: <20000227040515.25390.qmail@web3404.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QmTW4.0.ZL4.zYOku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ouch. Aaron Schindler schrieb: > > > Q - How many drummers does it take to change a > lightbulb? > > A - Five, one to change the light bulb and four to say > how much better Neil Pert would have done it. > > All in good fun! : ) > > Aaron From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 27 16:02:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29423; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 16:02:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 16:02:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.20000227204409.00675d8c@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: lerocher@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:44:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Christine Bard Subject: Re: ripp torn Resent-Message-ID: <"Iee-I.0.8H6.NpOku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:35:07 +0100 >From: Cummings >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp > >guitarists ... oh no!! ;-) > >seriously, you guys are the biggest hero worshippers out there. >i mean do you see any of us drummers chewing up bandwidth with details >of will calhouns looping gear? > >get a life you guys ;-) > >all in good fun, >rob > Which reminds me.... I was just about to ask... Did anyone get to see what Will Calhoun uses and how well it works? I couldn't see the show at the KF. Truly, C Bard Christine Bard 0~>~<>~><~<>~<~0 I replaced the headlights in my car with strobe lights. Now it looks like I'm the only one moving. -Steven Wright From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 27 17:06:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21520; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:06:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:06:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B99CB5.49930DB6@inreach.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 13:52:56 -0800 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mutant trumpet References: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20000225061321.007abd40@pop.ici.net> <3.0.1.32.20000227145713.008ffa10@mail.dragonet.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3Wke11.0.Um3.KpPku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Raül, David, Tim. This URL does not appear to work for me. There is, however, something I like about not being able to really track this thing down... Sort of like a rare sightings of a mythical beast, everone with a different story: i saw it once! it had *three* heads!! Cheers, eric Raül Bonell Tomàs wrote: > At 10:09 a.m. 26/02/00 -0800, you wrote: > > http://www.mercurious.com/ben-neill/ > > try this, it's an old url, but maybe ... > > >Could you point me in the direction of this "mutantrumpet" documentation? > > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > D o c t o r S a x N e w s > New CD-R Release ! > Price: 3 EUROS (including packing & postage) > or trading for a cd / tape of your music. > http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/Doctor_Sax_News/ > ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > Raül Bonell Tomàs > http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/slollnoirc > ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 27 17:14:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23725; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:14:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:14:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:09:24 EST Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Resent-Message-ID: <"DtJAk3.0.oW5.03Qku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/27/00 3:25:25 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, psbuddha@texas.net writes: << hooray hooray... >> indeed, indeed..................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 27 17:18:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24102; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:18:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:18:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B9A1D7.88C9AA5B@virtulink.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:14:47 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mutant trumpet References: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20000225061321.007abd40@pop.ici.net> <3.0.1.32.20000227145713.008ffa10@mail.dragonet.es> <38B99CB5.49930DB6@inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4zFT02.0.ao5.v6Qku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com eric wrote: > > Thanks Raül, David, Tim. > This URL does not appear to work for me. You probablly need the Shockwave plugin. Here's what it says on the site: > mutantrumpet > > The mutantrumpet is a hybrid electro-acoustic instrument > with three bells, two sets of valves, and a trombone slide. > The sound is converted via a pickup in the mouthpiece to > MIDI information by a pitch to MIDI converter. There > are momentary switches located next to the valves on the > body of the instrument, as well as four continuous MIDI > controllers in the form of pressure sensing pads and > potentiometers. The acoustic volume of the mutantrumpet > is often used as another MIDI controller. The > mutantrumpet's computer interface enables Neill to trigger > and manipulate sequences, grab samples and manipulate > them in real time, and control lighting, slide and video > projection. There you go! -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 27 21:10:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10415; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:10:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:10:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38B9D7D4.9EAE4208@virtulink.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:05:08 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [OT] Interest in JI software/hardware References: <3.0.6.32.20000224234537.00a69de0@pop-server> <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.6.32.19990101051850.00a65680@pop-server> <3.0.6.32.19990102065458.00a634b0@pop-server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qXsF41.0.fC2.nUTku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > > At 01:19 AM 2/27/00 -0500, you wrote: > >pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > >> > >> I'm interested in exploring Just Intonation and am exploring various > options. > > > >There's an tuning email list at onelist.com. Also a > >New Just Intonation list. Get David Doty's Just Intonation > >Primer: http://www.dnai.com/~jinetwk/ > > This was one of the sites I looked at but could not find the information I > seek - and that is any information which can help answer this question: > > What are my hardware and software options? > > Yes, there is plenty of information on this site and the other sites linked > to it - but none of it organized in a concise way to answer my question > (like a FAQ). Consult the Tuning list man! I know there's a a page about resolution and synths somewhere, but you have to be more exact about what you want to do... > > At the rate this is going, it looks like I do have to invest in another > computer (a laptop) if I want a gig-friendly solution. Not really what I > was hoping to see, but I guess that's life. a fretless guitar or a midi guitar & synth or a refretted guitar or Csound seems to be your best option. I want a fretless guitar next. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 27 22:12:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00987; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:12:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:12:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00bf01bf8196$52ae5ee0$e2da583f@oemcomputer> From: "Illfusion" To: References: <006b01bf812e$9d6cdfa0$9d95f5ce@-> <38B90279.BA8A58B6@texas.net> Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:48:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"OXIYU1.0.my5.BBUku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com whats that pseuo budda??? i'm new in this whole web thing thing , or e-mailing list. i'm a "looper" so to speak but what you guys are talking about is really got me scratching my noggin...no disrespecting i'm really glad i did whatever it is i did to get you guys e-mailing me all these tips and stupp and the whole torn vs fripp thing, well thats a whole different story. what pseuba are you talking about though?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory" To: Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 5:54 AM Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist > hey all - > > i'm very happy to see that pseudo buddha (featuring 3 l.d. listgeeks) > got played on bill fox's emusic. hooray hooray... > > bobdog > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 27 22:23:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03942; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:23:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:23:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004b01bf819b$237530e0$1e4badce@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20000225061321.007abd40@pop.ici.net> <38B816ED.85B5FEAE@inreach.com> <38B8BE7B.5DB5784F@virtulink.com> Subject: Re: Looped Trumpet (was Re: torn vs. fripp) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:23:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"dpDsW2.0.Td.LbUku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've always liked Mark Isham's trumpet work, especially his early atmospheric stuff. Jon Hassell is the king, though. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" To: Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 1:04 AM Subject: Looped Trumpet (was Re: torn vs. fripp) > eric wrote: > > > > Hey! > > Could you point me in the direction of this "mutantrumpet" documentation? > > I don't know of any documentation. Ben Neill > has a trumpet that has more than one bell, > more like a couple of trumpets in one with some kind of > midi control. > > > > BTW - I've heard some of Jon Hassel's work credited an elusive instrument of > > the same name... > > While he runs it through a bunch of effects, > Jon Hassell does it all with his lip and his ear. > > > > (looping trumpet is one of my things.) > > Much obliged! > > eric o. > > > > A looped horn is a beautiful thing. Check out Chet Baker > on the new archive release by Terry Riley, Music for the Gift, > (organ of corti 1). It seems like looped trumpet started here! > > There's also some looped sax on some old Terry Riley > recordings, I think. I need a new needle for > my turn table. > > > -- > * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y > * xouoxno@virtulink.com > * > * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" > * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor > * > * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 28 00:21:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15552; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:21:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:21:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990103051657.00a73cf0@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 05:16:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [OT] Interest in JI software/hardware In-Reply-To: <38B9D7D4.9EAE4208@virtulink.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000224234537.00a69de0@pop-server> <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.6.32.19990101051850.00a65680@pop-server> <3.0.6.32.19990102065458.00a634b0@pop-server> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GINsc3.0.9N1.-4Wku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Consult the Tuning list man! I know there's a >a page about resolution and synths somewhere, >but you have to be more exact about what you >want to do... Thanks for directing me to the Tuning list. I will post my questions there. Let me try to articulate what i want to do here... I am a former Stick owner (sold all my musical instruments in CA before the big move to FL) who wants to get a Ztar and use that to control synths/samplers. Maybe I'll get a Stick again too, but right now I'm more interested in synthesis. While I'm at it, I want to explore the harmonic possibilities of JI. If I just wanted to stay at home and never play out, a software synth would be perfect for me. However, I do want to play out (and I really do mean PLAY as in play "realtime", not run some non-interactive program or play a tape). and I have new friends who are encouraging me to work towards that goal. There is no way I'm going to lug my PC, 17-inch monitor, keyboard, etc. to bars and coffee shops to play music. I was hoping somebody would tell me that samplers exist that would allow me to set up tunings with scale resolutions small enough to handle JI. Then I could just get that sampler instead of getting another computer. Well, my disappointment in the fact that all responses to this thread indicate the need for computer to be included in my hypothetical live rig and no way around it has been allayed somewhat by my finding out that new Apple I-books are actually not that expensive. >a fretless guitar or a midi guitar & synth or a refretted >guitar or Csound seems to be your best option. I want >a fretless guitar next. I appreciate the time you've taken to respond to my inquiries. However, Csound is not realtime and I am not really a guitar player. I am more of a tapping type of player (piano, Stick, Ztar, etc.). Also, I am interested in exploring _harmony_ in JI, not so much melody. Fretless guitar is not the optimal solution here (it took Adrian Belew two years of practice to play chords in tune - so he says). Thanks, Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 28 01:30:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10641; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:30:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:30:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <8.1c43dda.25eb6eed@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:25:49 EST Subject: Re: [OT] Interest in JI software/hardware To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"sZVM73.0.lG2.GKXku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Paolo, Perhaps it's been mentioned, (if so, I missed it), but many keyboards built in the last ten years or so are capable of just intonation tunings along with alot of midi control functions. My venerable 'old' Korg T3 certainly is. And most of the time, that's the tunings I use. hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 28 04:59:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14076; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 04:59:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 04:59:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001201bf81cc$c88da220$c280b3d1@bob> From: "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" To: Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:18:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"CHd_62.0.g31.O1aku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How many loopers does it take to put in a lightbulb? None, we're still waiting for the new EDP. Colin|niloC -----Original Message---- >ouch. > >Aaron Schindler schrieb: >> >> >> Q - How many drummers does it take to change a >> lightbulb? >> >> A - Five, one to change the light bulb and four to say >> how much better Neil Pert would have done it. >> >> All in good fun! : ) >> >> Aaron > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 28 06:56:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23456; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 06:56:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 06:56:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38BA5DC0.D6A569D5@subnet.virtual-pc.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:36:32 +0000 From: david cooper orton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: mutantrumpetlooping etc References: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20000225061321.007abd40@pop.ici.net> <3.0.1.32.20000227145713.008ffa10@mail.dragonet.es> <38B99CB5.49930DB6@inreach.com> <38B9A1D7.88C9AA5B@virtulink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3XhXy3.0.Yd4.Eqbku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There was a on page interview with Ben Neill in WIRED, 5.04 - Apr 1997 which is still online at: I've clipped-in the 1st coupla para's below. I'd say that Jon Hassell and Mark Isham are my favourutes in this field not forgeting Nils Petter Molvaer and Graham Haynes. I thoroughly enjoyed Triptycal, but thought Glitterbug sounded a bit tired (and unemotional) - dull set of beats etc. Also saw him live, manipulating all his gear in real time etc but the venue's acoustics didn't help and he was drowned by a combination of Page Hamilton's guitar and the drummer. Not too much subtly there, I'm afraid... Cheers David ================================================================================ The Mutant Trumpeter By Colin Berry Ben Neill is using a schizophrenic trumpet to create art music for the people. A regular face in New York's experimental music scene, trumpeter Ben Neill has worked with sound sculptors of the past and future, including John Cage, Robert Moog, DJ Spooky, and minimalist La Monte Young. As music curator of The Kitchen performance space, Neill has also brought international luminaries such as Jaron Lanier, Jorge Reyes, and FSOL to the Big Apple. But Neill is foremost a musician, and his recent Triptycal CD topped many critics' polls with its smooth blend of trippy ambience and groovy jazz - a '90s update of Miles Davis cool. After launching his solo career, classically trained Neill designed the mutantrumpet, an instrument that looks like the spawn of another musical world. Wired: So what is a mutantrumpet? Neill: It's an electro-acoustic instrument I developed that has two sets of valves and three bells, one of which is attached to a trombone slide for a glissando effect. It also has an interface to a computer program that uses the notes of the trumpet to trigger different sounds and sequences, and allows me to modify the sounds using controllers. I use different mutes in the bells to shift between open and muted sounds to provide a middle ground between electronic and acoustic music. The instrument enables me to play in between all these different sounds. And you do all this in real time? Some elements of the music are preprogrammed, but I'm always manipulating a few elements live. Different notes trigger musical sequences I can manipulate as they're playing. The instrument is also tied in to a MIDI-controlled slide-projection system so that triggering a sound sequence also controls the playing of the projectors. What inspired you to create this thing? I wanted an instrument that gave me the capability to project multiple voices. I got started by sticking trumpet parts together and then worked with some instrument builders to come up with a custom-fabricated design. It's schizophrenic, but adding an electronic component expands a conventional wind instrument into a more multifaceted thing. What role can technology play in traditionally nontechnological instruments? With my system, I was trying to use the computer as a kind of mediator. It adds a level of imperfection. When I'm activating sounds from the trumpet, or controlling elements set off by my playing dynamic, there's a random element involved. It's different every time. That's something I get from art music: the idea that you don't just hear a melody in your head and say, OK, this is what I want. Rather, you set something in motion, and you can't foresee all the details. Taking computer music beyond the realm of a strictly quantized beat is what makes it swing. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 28 09:15:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16671; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:15:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:15:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38BA80A4.9371AC@virtulink.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:05:24 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [OT] Interest in JI software/hardware References: <3.0.6.32.20000224234537.00a69de0@pop-server> <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.6.32.19990101051850.00a65680@pop-server> <3.0.6.32.19990102065458.00a634b0@pop-server> <3.0.6.32.19990103051657.00a73cf0@pop-server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gs6Om.0.pN3.w1eku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > Let me try to articulate what i want to do here... I am a former Stick > owner (sold all my musical instruments in CA before the big move to FL) who Sounds insane! One could always fret a stick in ji. > If I just wanted to stay at home and never play out, a software synth would > be perfect for me. However, I do want to play out (and I really do mean > PLAY as in play "realtime", not run some non-interactive program or play a > tape). and I have new friends who are encouraging me to work towards that > goal. There is no way I'm going to lug my PC, 17-inch monitor, keyboard, > etc. to bars and coffee shops to play music. Last Saturday I heard a friend play an entire show on a laptop. I think he uses MAX. But he's not into tunings. > I was hoping somebody would tell me that samplers exist that would allow me > to set up tunings with scale resolutions small enough to handle JI. Then I > could just get that sampler instead of getting another computer. One could always sample tuned instruments. It IS a sampler. > > Well, my disappointment in the fact that all responses to this thread > indicate the need for computer to be included in my hypothetical live rig No you don't. It's just a possibility. > >a fretless guitar or a midi guitar & synth or a refretted > >guitar or Csound seems to be your best option. I want > >a fretless guitar next. > > I appreciate the time you've taken to respond to my inquiries. However, > Csound is not realtime and I am not really a guitar player. I am more of a > tapping type of player (piano, Stick, Ztar, etc.). Also, I am interested > in exploring _harmony_ in JI, not so much melody. Fretless guitar is not > the optimal solution here (it took Adrian Belew two years of practice to > play chords in tune - so he says). It's all in the ear. So it took Belew 2 years to tune up his hearing. Big deal. You act like becoming a better musican is an undesirable thing! Maybe your approach could be a bit less negative? -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 28 12:05:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24136; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:05:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:05:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001e01bf820d$5b72d020$49b7bace@internet> From: "Gerry P" To: References: Subject: EDP Upgrade wish list Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:00:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"G38RS3.0.J-3.1agku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, I have been meaning to send this off for some time to add to the already large EDP wish list. 1) Double the loop time with expanded memory ( ie 16Meg to 32 Megs) as well as to allow for UNDO at the 2 or 3 minute mark. 2) Better clock/runtime display so users know where they are within a long loop. 3) Ability to shorten a loop with start AND end footpedal triggers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 28 12:14:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26087; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:14:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:14:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1260364815==_ma============" X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1Jr1 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 02:07:57 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, emf@emf.org, user-forum@waldorf-gmbh.de, info-kyma@SymbolicSound.com, analogue@hyperreal.org From: Sunao Inami Subject: Details : Live gig info again Resent-Message-ID: <"CHl2T3.0.Sz5.4kgku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --============_-1260364815==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, It details of my live info in March 2000 : 12th-15th GMEM Marseille,FRANCE "ACTE KOBE 2000" 17th-18th Dampfzentrale Bern,SWITZERLAND "ACTE KOBE 2000" 22th Bayside Jenny, Osaka,JAPAN "TIME CONTROL" contact: http://www.subrosa.net More Info Contact : GMEM (Group Music Electroacoustic Marseille) Tel: 04-96-20-60-10 Fax: 04-96-20-60-19 Centre National de Creation Musicale 15-17 rue de Cassis 13008 Marseille FRANCE http://www.gmem.org gmem@gmem.org Dampfzentrale - Kulturnhallen Am Aarelauf Tel: 031-311-6337 Fax: 031-312-5105 Marzilistr 47, CH-3005,Bern,SWITZERLAND Bayside Jenny Tel: 06-6576-5640 Osaka,JAPAN Keep in touch Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com --============_-1260364815==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Hello, It details of my live info in March 2000 : 12th-15th GMEM Marseille,FRANCE Geneva"ACTE KOBE 2000" 17th-18th Dampfzentrale Bern,SGenevaWITZERLAND "ACTE KOBE 2000" 22th Bayside Jenny, Osaka,JAPAN "TIME CONTROL" contact: http://www.subrosa.net More Info Contact : GMEM (Group Music ElectroacoustiGenevac Marseille) Tel: 04-96-20-60-10 Fax: 04-9Geneva6-20-60-19 Centre National de Creation Musicale 15-17 rue de Cassis 13008 MarseiGenevalle FRANCE http://Genevawww.gmem.org gmem@gmem.org Dampfzentrale - Kulturnhallen GenevaAm Aarelauf Tel: 031-311-6337 Fax: 031-312-5105 Marzilistr 47, CH-3005,Bern,SGenevaWITZERLAND BaysidGenevae Jenny Tel: 06-6576-5640 GenevaOsaka,JAPAN Keep in touch GenevaSunao Inami http://www.caGenevavestudio.com --============_-1260364815==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 28 13:11:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17853; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:11:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:11:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jmash789@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:51:56 EST Subject: On-line Manuals To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 24 Resent-Message-ID: <"7IuGA1.0.nx1.YNhku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, I'm pretty sure I've seen a webpage filled with links to on-line manuals for various effects processors and audio gear, but now I can't find it. If anybody has any idea what I'm talking about please email me with the url ASAP. for a research paper. thanks, J Mash From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 28 13:18:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19453; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:18:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:18:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:00:28 -0800 Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201bf81cc$c88da220$c280b3d1@bob> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"08Dka2.0.wG2.VShku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How many loopers does it take to change a light bulb? None any more because the last one keeps changing again.. and again.... and again..... > From: "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:18:24 -0800 > To: > Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 04:59:09 -0500 > > How many loopers does it take to put in a lightbulb? > > None, we're still waiting for the new EDP. > > Colin|niloC > -----Original Message---- > > >> ouch. >> >> Aaron Schindler schrieb: >>> >>> >>> Q - How many drummers does it take to change a >>> lightbulb? >>> >>> A - Five, one to change the light bulb and four to say >>> how much better Neil Pert would have done it. >>> >>> All in good fun! : ) >>> >>> Aaron >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 28 13:41:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31433; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:41:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:41:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000228182544.8802.qmail@web1001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:25:44 -0800 (PST) From: Joseph Buck Subject: Announce Toru Takemitsu List (Loop Unrelated) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"R5v8n1.0.345.Mphku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi All- A new list is being set up dedicated to the work of Japanese composer Toru Takemitsu. Please email Naoyuki Ashida at: nao@y7.com for more information. Take care, Buck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 28 13:35:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28889; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:35:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:35:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001201bf8216$0c8fb820$a923dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20000227040515.25390.qmail@web3404.mail.yahoo.com> <38B97B59.E4AA6C5D@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:02:58 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"tWpN92.0.nZ3.pXhku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This whole thread is reminiscent of reactions I've seen to Fripp's live work in the past, both solo and with King Crimson; basically, you've got your Fripp adherents who love all or most things Frippian - and then there are the guys who go for more out-front "flash", if you will, and go on and on and on enough that you know they'd rather Fripp played like Satriani or Vai. Or insert your own guitar god in the space provided... I knew someone who, in the mid-80s, went to one of Fripp's lectures, and actually returned from it pissed off because he didn't play any guitar, or talk about King Crimson. I reminded him that it was a lecture about Surviving The Music Business, but it did no good, of course. I'd have rather been there, frankly. End rule? To Each His/Her Own. Myself? Never heard of Torn until this list. Still haven't heard any of his work. While closing on my mid-40s and emerging from a recession of a personal financial nature, I've not had too much time to hang around a store, or buying CDs, such that the only ones I get are gifts. On one level I know it's because I'm less-than-prosperous (money wise), but on another, I know it's also because I'm still working on MY material, and would rather not have the kind of input that can lead to subdermal influence on my composing. The only real exceptions I can afford to make are going to shows that are put on by friends or performers I like. Does it matter? Is my life any less than it could be because of not hearing others' work? I'll let you know when I'm finished. Well, before I'm finished, in case Thomas Edison's "Ether Scope" doesn't work after all... [wink] Stephen Goodman * The Loop of the Week (closing on #500, nearly 5 years old!) EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 28 14:18:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13048; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:18:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:18:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <03fb01bf821d$37dcc160$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:54:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"p0djJ1.0.uv.RLiku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How many light bulb jokes do loopers tell? Just one...and it keeps going around...and around...and around... Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Pask To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, February 28, 2000 1:46 PM Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp >How many loopers does it take to change a light bulb? > >None any more because the last one keeps changing again.. and again.... >and again..... > >> From: "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:18:24 -0800 >> To: >> Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp >> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 04:59:09 -0500 >> >> How many loopers does it take to put in a lightbulb? >> >> None, we're still waiting for the new EDP. >> >> Colin|niloC >> -----Original Message---- >> >> >>> ouch. >>> >>> Aaron Schindler schrieb: >>>> >>>> >>>> Q - How many drummers does it take to change a >>>> lightbulb? >>>> >>>> A - Five, one to change the light bulb and four to say >>>> how much better Neil Pert would have done it. >>>> >>>> All in good fun! : ) >>>> >>>> Aaron >>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 28 22:24:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05741; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:24:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:24:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000228222014.007b8730@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:20:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: mutantrumpetlooping etc In-Reply-To: <38BA5DC0.D6A569D5@subnet.virtual-pc.com> References: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20000225061321.007abd40@pop.ici.net> <3.0.1.32.20000227145713.008ffa10@mail.dragonet.es> <38B99CB5.49930DB6@inreach.com> <38B9A1D7.88C9AA5B@virtulink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sJhzr3.0.iT.7gpku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks David! I'd read that interview somewhere a while ago, but was never able to find it again! Perhaps it's fitting, seeing as how this thread evolved out of the Fripp v. Torn one, but it seems a few of the comments re mutantrumpetlooping have visited that same neighborhood of hierarchy and competetive rank that have led us to dress two grown guitarists, quite against their wishes, in chicken suits for a musical cockfight. I'm thinking mostly of the posting a couple of days ago that spoke of Jon Hassell's ability to shape and control his sound with advanced technique and lip control while dismissing Ben Neill's playing as done with a bunch of effects. Don't get me wrong; I absolutely love Hassell's playing. His work in the early 80's forced me to reconsider my opinion of the trumpet, and led me indirectly to appreciate Miles Davis. Hassell's incorporation of classical Indian vocal technique into his playing was brilliant, and he has continued to be an innovator. But Hassell and Neill do very different things, and to compare them as trumpeters/loopers/musicians is really a matter of apples and oranges. What appeals to me about Neill's playing is his ability to simultaneously control several instrumental voices in real time, many of which don't even sound remotely trumpetlike. (Live, I was probably most impressed with the looping bass tones that were rumbling out of his rig...) We've covered this ground before in guitar synth threads and discussions of "effects as a crutch"; when playing an amplified instrument through "effects" and looping devices, how much, if not all, of the circuitry can be considered part of the instrument? While Hassell is without question a master of a conventional instrument, albeit with very unconventional and original technique, Neill uses a trumpet (highly modified at that) as an element of a larger system. It's his controller of choice, but I consider him more of a synthesist than a trumpeter, and view the way he uses the total system as an instrument to be a more personal and unique statement of musicianship than if he were handed a regular trumpet and asked to "compete" in terms of conventional repertoire and chops. If we had to rank, for example, Wynton Marsalis, Miles Davis, Jon Hassell and Ben Neill strictly in terms of technical ability (and I'm glad we don't), Marsalis would probably "win" hands down, at least by conventional standards. But of these four players, I enjoy his music the least, mostly because what I enjoy about the other three is their individuality and the uniquely creative approaches they bring to the instrument they share. Tim ps: if anyone wants to hear Neill for themselves, I agree with David that Triptycal is probably his best work. At 11:36 AM 2/28/00 +0000, you wrote: >There was a on page interview with Ben Neill in WIRED, 5.04 - Apr 1997 >which is still online at: > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 28 22:53:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23105; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:53:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:53:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990104040423.00a8d820@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 04:04:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [OT] Interest in JI software/hardware In-Reply-To: <000a01bf8036$52944020$0525fed8@swirlee.speakeasy.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NOf_L1.0.VE5.z6qku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:48 AM 2/26/00 -0800, you wrote: >BeOS is becoming a more viable option for realtime audio stuff, especially >if you can code. Another very flexible and portable platform for sonic >exporation and realtime performance is a Powerbook G3 running MAX/MSP >[www.cycling74.com] or SuperCollider. > >for me it is important to be able to channel this stuff down through a >process that is me, not accept the factorystamp process for making music... >maxmsp is great for this, because you first design the process and then play >it. maxmsp is a pretty thorough graphical language, and its extensible into >C++, so you should have no problem rigging up microtonal jams. kit clayton >showed me his live granular synth and the software wiring was staggeringly >thick and maxmsp was still flying. > >i'll be wiring up some custom looping tools in maxmsp as soon as i get it >running. exciting. > >in lake'ch >jan Jan, How do you "play" your laptop? If you are triggering it with a MIDI controller, how is the response? Is the OS-imposed latency significant or not noticeable at all if using the MIDI controller? Thanks, Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 28 23:00:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25723; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:00:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:00:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990104041023.00a80ce0@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 04:10:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [OT] Interest in JI software/hardware In-Reply-To: <8.1c43dda.25eb6eed@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yqyP-.0.1h5.aCqku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 01:25 AM 2/28/00 EST, you wrote: >Paolo, > Perhaps it's been mentioned, (if so, I missed it), but many keyboards >built in the last ten years or so are capable of just intonation tunings >along with alot of midi control functions. My venerable 'old' Korg T3 >certainly is. And most of the time, that's the tunings I use. > > hawkeye Yes, John Lofflink's site at http://home.att.net/~microtonal/ lists a bunch of keyboards that offer microtuning. However, most of them have a scale resolution of 1 cent at the smallest. According to his site, a 12-tone just intoned scale is made up of cent intervals that use up to 4 decimal places of precision - far more fine than 1 cent. I just ran across his post that says that exact precision is not necessarily a big deal, however. I will have to read it in greater detail. Thanks, Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 28 23:32:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08765; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:32:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:32:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990104042633.00a84320@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 04:26:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [OT] Interest in JI software/hardware In-Reply-To: <38BA80A4.9371AC@virtulink.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000224234537.00a69de0@pop-server> <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.6.32.19990101051850.00a65680@pop-server> <3.0.6.32.19990102065458.00a634b0@pop-server> <3.0.6.32.19990103051657.00a73cf0@pop-server> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"tiJWq1.0.1C7.lRqku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:05 AM 2/28/00 -0500, you wrote: >pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > >> Let me try to articulate what i want to do here... I am a former Stick >> owner (sold all my musical instruments in CA before the big move to FL) who > >Sounds insane! One could always fret a stick in ji. What is insane to you? Me moving from CA to FL? Or that I sold all my instruments? Or that I am a former Stick player looking to get back into it? If I get another Stick, yes I could have it fretted in JI (probably at considerable expense as I am not a luthier nor do I have the time to learn such an art), but then I would not be able to play with friends who use 12-ET. That Stick would only be good for music written for that specific temperament. I'd have to get ANOTHER Stick just for playing with 12-ET musicians. Not an economically viable solution for me! :) >> If I just wanted to stay at home and never play out, a software synth would >> be perfect for me. However, I do want to play out (and I really do mean >> PLAY as in play "realtime", not run some non-interactive program or play a >> tape). and I have new friends who are encouraging me to work towards that >> goal. There is no way I'm going to lug my PC, 17-inch monitor, keyboard, >> etc. to bars and coffee shops to play music. > >Last Saturday I heard a friend play an entire show on a laptop. >I think he uses MAX. But he's not into tunings. Yes, a laptop is a viable solution because everything folds into a nice, neat flat unit - no bulky 17 inch monitors and such! And yes, I too have seen guys play entire shows with just laptops. But none of them were controlling them from external MIDI controllers - all played their laptops directly via the touchpad. I would like to know just how significant is the latency imposed by the OS. >> I was hoping somebody would tell me that samplers exist that would allow me >> to set up tunings with scale resolutions small enough to handle JI. Then I >> could just get that sampler instead of getting another computer. > >One could always sample tuned instruments. It IS a sampler. But Mr Lofflink indicates in his post that the scale resolutions on samplers are also inadequate. >> Well, my disappointment in the fact that all responses to this thread >> indicate the need for computer to be included in my hypothetical live rig > >No you don't. It's just a possibility. That is true. But I cannot afford to buy a harem of Sticks, each for a specific tuning. I am looking for an economically feasible solution here. :) >> >a fretless guitar or a midi guitar & synth or a refretted >> >guitar or Csound seems to be your best option. I want >> >a fretless guitar next. >> >> I appreciate the time you've taken to respond to my inquiries. However, >> Csound is not realtime and I am not really a guitar player. I am more of a >> tapping type of player (piano, Stick, Ztar, etc.). Also, I am interested >> in exploring _harmony_ in JI, not so much melody. Fretless guitar is not >> the optimal solution here (it took Adrian Belew two years of practice to >> play chords in tune - so he says). > >It's all in the ear. So it took Belew 2 years to tune up >his hearing. Big deal. You act like becoming a better musican >is an undesirable thing! Maybe your approach could be a bit less >negative? What I am getting at is the fretless guitar solution is not a viable one for me. I am not a guitar player, period. I am sorry you think I am being negative. Whatever solution that I come up with, with or without your help, is going to cost me some hard-earned money - I have every right to investigate the pros and cons of each approach - unless you are willing to pay for it yourself. :) Thanks, Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 29 00:36:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07038; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:36:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:36:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:31:06 EST Subject: dl4 for $1000?!!?!? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 Resent-Message-ID: <"dwyU32.0.JB1.0drku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Saw these dl4's on ebay... one is going for $700; the other $1000. This is a typo or a screen error or a sick joke... right?? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271631063 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271652183 confused jack ps. I stopped my bidding when they reached $650 ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 29 01:19:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28187; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:19:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:19:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801bf8278$a5371480$0525fed8@swirlee.speakeasy.org> From: "Jan P" To: Subject: Re: [OT] Interest in JI software/hardware Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:48:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Kaqo6.0.Pl3.csrku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Paolo- >How do you "play" your laptop? If you are triggering it with a MIDI >controller, how is the response? Is the OS-imposed latency significant or >not noticeable at all if using the MIDI controller? I'll be able to give you a better rundown next week when I actually connect the gear together. The OS-imposed latency is between 10 and 20 ms, and varies with the audio D/A hardware-- the powerbook internal sound manager is pretty good for lowlatency work. Though I haven't started jamming with it yet, I'm told its good for realtime performance. CNMAT in Berkeley hosts a lot of improvising musicians on acoustic and electronics running in software on MSP. With a desktop machine and a MOTU2408 as an audio interface you can get flatline 6 ms latency--and since, at MIDI transmission rates, a single note on message takes 2 ms to transmit, most of the remaining latency is not even audio! Best, jan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 29 02:48:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00620; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 02:48:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 02:48:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000229013206.021ad100@pop.interaccess.com> X-Sender: ths@pop.interaccess.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:32:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom S Subject: Re: torn vs. fripp In-Reply-To: <20000225015719.10798.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"u-TbN1.0.YX6.fYtku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I enjoy most of all how they turn Bill Bruford into a whirling dervish! At 05:57 PM 2/24/00 -0800, you wrote: >which do you enjoy more,the ambient/soundscape/looping >music of David Torn or Robert Fripp? And Why? > >- A >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 29 02:56:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02338; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 02:56:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 02:56:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000229013620.0223e860@pop.interaccess.com> X-Sender: ths@pop.interaccess.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:36:20 -0600 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Tom S Subject: New Lexicon Reverb...MPX 500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zNK3K1.0._8.ectku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi! Anybody seen/heard the new Lexicon reverb unit? I read about it in a recent Sound on Sound, they seemed to like it. If I remember, they put in right between the MPX 1 and PCM 90 in terms of reverb quality. Best of all, it appears that the unit will be priced between 500 and 750. Pretty good competition for the new Roland reverb. FYI, here's the Lexicon info page: http://www.lexicon.com/MPX500/homeframe.htm Tom ths@interaccess.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 29 03:57:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25932; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 03:57:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 03:57:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000f01bf8291$13dbbd60$93f538cb@oemcomputer> From: "Steven Woods" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000229013620.0223e860@pop.interaccess.com> Subject: Re: New Lexicon Reverb...MPX 500 Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:43:37 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"4k5Dr.0.3J4.jNuku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That is not correct, if you look www.lexicon.com support - knowledge base - consumer access, The question about reverb quality is answered. The reverbs are not the same as the MPX 1 they are the same as the MPX 100. For a magazine to suggest that to the readership is ridiculous, they should look at the price point. Steven Woods ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom S" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 6:36 PM Subject: New Lexicon Reverb...MPX 500 > Hi! > > Anybody seen/heard the new Lexicon reverb unit? > > I read about it in a recent Sound on Sound, they seemed to like it. If > I remember, they put in right between the MPX 1 and PCM 90 in terms of > reverb quality. Best of all, it appears that the unit will be priced > between 500 and 750. Pretty good competition for the new Roland reverb. > > FYI, here's the Lexicon info page: > http://www.lexicon.com/MPX500/homeframe.htm > > Tom > ths@interaccess.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 29 06:14:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05265; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:14:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:14:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:05:02 EST Subject: Re: dl4 for $1000?!!?!? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"jR4hp1.0.Gy.1Wwku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i'll sell mine for $800.oo and throw in some patch cords. the manual is 100 bucks xtra though. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 29 07:50:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14051; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:50:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:50:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38bbbbf638d8eaa4@smtp2.libero.it> (added by smtp2.libero.it) X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:07:49 +0100 Subject: A question about feedback From: "Marco" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PVuUe1.0.-71.Kmxku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi! IMy name's Marco, nd I'm writing from Rome (Italy). Before all excuse me if my english isn't too good. I hope I can explain my problem. I've got an Echoplex LoopIII v5.0 , bought 2 years ago, and sometimes (often) I can't use it because when I turn it on, after the usual sequence on the display the Feedback indicator light becomes orange and it kepp on stay in ths mode until in the left part of the display appears "5", the feddback light turn green but nothing happens if I press Record (both in the machine and in the footpedal) or if I try to change the parameters. Is it a "common" problem. I supposed it was linked to small voltage changes but now I can't play since a couple of week, so this possibility sounds strange. Does someone knows something? Thanks a lot Marco From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 29 09:21:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19279; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:21:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:21:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:15:12 GMT Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.20000229141507.1b3783f6@subnet.virtual-pc.com> X-Sender: or387751@subnet.virtual-pc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: david cooper orton Subject: Re: New Lexicon Reverb...MPX 500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id JAA13430 Resent-Message-ID: <"DxCWp3.0.CS3.3Izku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Steven Woods suggested: >The reverbs are not the same as the MPX 1 >they are the same as the MPX 100. >For a magazine to suggest that to the readership is ridiculous, they should >look at the price point. To be fair to all sides, I'm not sure that the "Sound on Sound" reviewer *did* claim the MPX 500 and the MPX 1 shared reverbs. In part it reads: ============================================================================ =================================== The Lexicon MPX1 is an established multi-effects/reverb all-rounder that started life at over a grand, but now sells for little over half its original price, while the more recent MPX100 is an altogether simpler device based on presets with limited editability at under £200. I think it's fair to say that the MPX100 set a new standard for very-low-cost reverb/effects, but although it sounds impressive for the price, if you put it up against a PCM90 or 91 you can hear straight away that the more expensive unit sounds richer, smoother and more spacious. While the MPX100 is a fine reverb for the fiscally challenged project studio, the more serious user may demand a little more sonic refinement and more editability, which is why Lexicon developed the subject of this review — the MPX500. Based on the same Lexichip III reverb engine that powers the new generation of Lexicon reverb processors, the MPX500 expands on the MPX100's philosophy while offering a sound quality that lies somewhere between the MPX100 and the PCM90/91. So new is this processor that I had to visit the Lexicon factory in Boston in order to get my hands on one in time for this review, and while I was there, I was able to do direct comparison with other Lexicon products in a studio environment before bringing it home to do further tests. If the MPX100 sits at 1 on a scale of 1 to 10 with the PCM90 at 10, I'd say the reverbs of the MPX500 score a five or better. Conclusions You can buy more versatile multi-effects boxes than the MPX500 for around the same price, but I don't think any of them offers the quality of reverb available here. Similarly, the non-reverb effects may provide nothing new, but they sound just right. Is the MPX500 an alternative, or even a replacement, for the more expensive MPX1? Their reverb quality is certainly comparable, but the MPX1 is a far more capable multi-effects unit, with rather more depth to its editability. At the same time, more flexibility makes the MPX1 more time-consuming to program, and for tweaking effects during a session, the MPX500 is about as close to perfection as you can get. In fact, the only real criticism I can make of the MPX500, given its very attractive price, is its limited number of user memories. I'd recommend the MPX500 either as a second reverb/general effects box for someone who already has something better, or as a main reverb for the smaller studio owner who appreciates the benefits of a Lexicon reverb. I'm buying one to back up my PCM90! ============================================================================ =================================== Hope that clears things up! Cheers David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 29 09:35:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22208; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:35:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:35:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000229142517.58063.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.129.73] From: "David Potter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: D-beam (light-beam) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:25:16 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"h2_PO.0.Y05.jRzku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi loopheads, I want to hook up a D-beam to some of my gear and control it with different parts of my body. The D-Beam comes in the Roland 880 rythum box but I've got the electribe and ER1 synced to a Dr Rythum 660. Does anyone know if this is possible? It's a lazer light that controls effects and parameters. Sort of like the Kaoss pad. Thanks, Papa Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 29 09:52:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01291; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:52:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:52:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38BBDBA7.245EA7D1@minds-eye.org> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:45:59 -0500 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: D-beam (light-beam) References: <20000229142517.58063.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7hvaA3.0.Hs6.qkzku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can you tell me more about the D-beam itself? Also, have you heard of the Lightning II? This may be of interest to you as well. http://www.buchla.com/lightning/descript.html actually, if anyone has any more information on such things (remote sensors, triggers, etc.), I'd be curious to know more. Kevin David Potter wrote: > Hi loopheads, > I want to hook up a D-beam to some of my gear and control it with > different parts of my body. The D-Beam comes in the Roland 880 rythum box > but I've got the electribe and ER1 synced to a Dr Rythum 660. Does anyone > know if this is possible? It's a lazer light that controls effects and > parameters. Sort of like the Kaoss pad. Thanks, Papa Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 29 10:33:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16669; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:33:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:33:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:26:02 EST Subject: Re: D-beam (light-beam) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"-ux6A2.0.yd3.lK-ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is what I found on one of Interactive's pages. http://www.pacificnet.net /~flux/update.html February 24, 2000 - In accordance with Interactive Light the final remaining 30 Dimension Beams from the original production run of 100 units in 1995 (previously reserved for professional endorsements only) are being made available. These handbuilt Beams were assembled one-at-a-time and served as professional precursors to the later designed consumer model. They are housed in solid metal enclosures specially designed and built to withstand professional touring and studio usage. Internally, they consist of an optical block and 6 separate printed circuit boards in order to eliminate any analog/digital crosstalk. These numbered professional units are now being made available and will cost $500.00 each. Included will be power supply (110V or 220V), footswitch, and retro-reflectors for optional beam extension. -Vincent De Franco I use the D-Beam on my SP-808 all the time, but these puppies (above) do alot more it seems! hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 29 10:50:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27158; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:50:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:50:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.1b49f84.25ed4125@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:35:01 EST Subject: Re: D-beam (light-beam) MORE! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"SPlZy.0.JM4.tS-ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.pacificnet.net/~flux/intmap.html here's a list of controller functions for the previously posted (limited edition) Dimension controller. hawkeye PS: I might have to get one of these!! ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 29 10:50:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26174; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:50:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:50:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005001bf82cc$20230b10$664badce@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000229142517.58063.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: D-beam (light-beam) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:46:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"S-z8z2.0.Po4.vZ-ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Someone on the Analog Heaven list built a stand-alone D-Beam controller thingy...you can search the archives for 'D-Beam' and find the post. BTW, the controller is commercially available now. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Potter" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 9:25 AM Subject: D-beam (light-beam) > Hi loopheads, > I want to hook up a D-beam to some of my gear and control it with > different parts of my body. The D-Beam comes in the Roland 880 rythum box > but I've got the electribe and ER1 synced to a Dr Rythum 660. Does anyone > know if this is possible? It's a lazer light that controls effects and > parameters. Sort of like the Kaoss pad. Thanks, Papa Dave > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 29 10:44:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19855; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:44:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:44:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: New Lexicon Reverb...MPX 500 Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:37:27 -0600 Message-ID: <01bf82d3$43f80020$a3004f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Q1PWd2.0.fR4.UW-ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Okay, i'll weigh in on this quickly. Just yesterday I scored the MPX500, after much internal and external debate with myself and others! I was initially leaning toward the 500 when I saw the press release on the Lexicon site, then I picked up Sound on Sound, read the review three times, also read the review for T.C.'s M-One. Then went over to Sam Ash and started working dials. I also had the opportunity to twiddle with the M1 which is quite impressive,...the one problem I had with the MPX1 was the "looping" capability, a whopping 2.2 seconds in mono!, why did the fine folks at Lexicon go there, it's such a waste of memory, yes and this unit has two processing chips, but there are limitations when using an EQ setting whilst attempting to get a nice reverb or delay going,....so my thought was why bother putting in an eq. which has these limitations? The MPX 500 does not have eq programs, but that enables one to utilize the effects that are onboard a lot easier and with more flexibility. Oh yeah and the delay, though not a looper, is 5.5 seconds in mono! Ultimately, what struck me is that the MPX 500 came out well after the MPX 1, i'm sure the craftspeople at Lexicon listened to what reviewers and musicians said about a few of the limitations of the 1 and took that into account when designing the 500. Thus, creating a nice unit. Reverbs, yes, very nice on both units, the M1 has the edge on that account, but I was looking for a performance unit overall. I say go down to your local music store and start turning dials, pressing pads and don't stop until they kick you out. That's what sold me! Cheers, Pedro From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 29 11:53:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15720; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:53:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:53:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:41:08 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, papadave55@hotmail.com Subject: Re: D-beam (light-beam) Resent-Message-ID: <"DSZGb.0.X23.SS_ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Papa... These guys have a full midi controller product range of light, tough and sound sensitive sensors integrated into a system. I've drooled over possible applications of these pups for the last year, but alas, won't have cash for that kind of stuff for a good while. You may as well be the guinea pig for this stuff as well! 8-) I'm gonna have to get back down to your place for some playing and demo-ing of your latest level of gear integration! Bestest... -Miko Infusion Systems web site.... http://www.infusionsystems.com/products/ >>> "David Potter" 02/29 6:33 AM >>> Hi loopheads, I want to hook up a D-beam to some of my gear and control it with different parts of my body. The D-Beam comes in the Roland 880 rythum box but I've got the electribe and ER1 synced to a Dr Rythum 660. Does anyone know if this is possible? It's a lazer light that controls effects and parameters. Sort of like the Kaoss pad. Thanks, Papa Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 29 14:32:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00983; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:32:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:32:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C413024C@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: looping show plus, ventura, ca, usa Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:15:38 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"m_ack1.0.cX6.ri1lu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Saturday, March 4, 8 pm Art City II, Ventura, CA 31 Peking Street, Ventura (on the very edge) Admission: a mere $5 Jeff Kaiser Trio Jeff Kaiser, trumpet and electronics; Woody Aplanalp, guitars, loopage; Steuart Liebig, basses, loopage Clay Chaplin/Eric Getter Clay Chaplin: Video, Computer, Electronics, Stupid Thing; Eric Getter: Percussion Clay performs electronic music live with a pair of controller gloves linked to his computer. He will be doing video AND music at this show. A rare treat to see an exceptional performer with a unique musical and visual palette. Bring blankets, pillows, bean-bag chairs, lawn chairs, et cetera. This is an indoor-sit-on-the-floor concert. For Directions: http://www.mapblast.com/ More info: http://www.jetlink.net/~pfmentum From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 29 19:54:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07342; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:54:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:54:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000229183848.00b06d00@pop.interaccess.com> X-Sender: ths@pop.interaccess.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:38:48 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom S Subject: Re: New Lexicon Reverb...MPX 500 In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.20000229141507.1b3783f6@subnet.virtual-pc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id TAA32361 Resent-Message-ID: <"4Mfy53.0.vv7.IS6lu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, It looks like I mis-remembered the article, yes, the reviewer put it between the _MPX100_ and the PCM90. Regardless, I'm still wondering how well the MPX500 is in general. Since any MPX is not much more than some hardware chips and software, I was hoping that the "new" MPX500 would have a reverb fairly close to the PCM90. >From just a hardware/software standpoint, I'd expect the MPX500 to blow the MPX100 and MPX1 out of the water due to the MPX500 being a much new piece of equipment. Perhaps hardware/software based musical instruments don't follow Moore's Law as closely as the PC marketplace does. :-D Anybody own an MPX500? Tom At 02:15 PM 2/29/00 GMT, you wrote: >Steven Woods suggested: > >>The reverbs are not the same as the MPX 1 >>they are the same as the MPX 100. > >>For a magazine to suggest that to the readership is ridiculous, they should >>look at the price point. > >To be fair to all sides, I'm not sure that the "Sound on Sound" reviewer >*did* claim the MPX 500 and the MPX 1 shared reverbs. > >In part it reads: >============================================================================ >=================================== >The Lexicon MPX1 is an established multi-effects/reverb all-rounder that >started life at over a grand, but now sells for little over half its >original price, while the more recent MPX100 is an altogether simpler device >based on presets with limited editability at under £200. I think it's fair >to say that the MPX100 set a new standard for very-low-cost reverb/effects, >but although it sounds impressive for the price, if you put it up against a >PCM90 or 91 you can hear straight away that the more expensive unit sounds >richer, smoother and more spacious. > >While the MPX100 is a fine reverb for the fiscally challenged project >studio, the more serious user may demand a little more sonic refinement and >more editability, which is why Lexicon developed the subject of this review >— the MPX500. Based on the same Lexichip III reverb engine that powers the >new generation of Lexicon reverb processors, the MPX500 expands on the >MPX100's philosophy while offering a sound quality that lies somewhere >between the MPX100 and the PCM90/91. So new is this processor that I had to >visit the Lexicon factory in Boston in order to get my hands on one in time >for this review, and while I was there, I was able to do direct comparison >with other Lexicon products in a studio environment before bringing it home >to do further tests. If the MPX100 sits at 1 on a scale of 1 to 10 with the >PCM90 at 10, I'd say the reverbs of the MPX500 score a five or better. > > > Conclusions > >You can buy more versatile multi-effects boxes than the MPX500 for around >the same price, but I don't >think any of them offers the quality of reverb available here. Similarly, >the non-reverb effects may provide >nothing new, but they sound just right. Is the MPX500 an alternative, or >even a replacement, for the more >expensive MPX1? Their reverb quality is certainly comparable, but the MPX1 >is a far more capable >multi-effects unit, with rather more depth to its editability. At the same >time, more flexibility makes the >MPX1 more time-consuming to program, and for tweaking effects during a >session, the MPX500 is about >as close to perfection as you can get. > >In fact, the only real criticism I can make of the MPX500, given its very >attractive price, is its limited >number of user memories. I'd recommend the MPX500 either as a second >reverb/general effects box for >someone who already has something better, or as a main reverb for the >smaller studio owner who >appreciates the benefits of a Lexicon reverb. I'm buying one to back up my >PCM90! > >============================================================================ >=================================== > >Hope that clears things up! > >Cheers > >David > > >