From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 1 03:14:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31465; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 03:12:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 03:12:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021201013806.007a0100@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 01:38:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Quantize=8th... In-Reply-To: <3DE8000D.B32A581E@earthlink.net> References: <20021129175946.GCED11260.mta03.fuse.net@smtp.fuse.net> <002201c297d5$f20d95c0$9b5c4ed5@bigboy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI All, am away on holiday until tomorrow, but finally finally FINALLY! got to play with my new baby!, an EDP! Woohoo! The first time I layed my hands on it this evening, I set the quantize to 16 and went totally glitchy to a dear friend playing hymns and christmas carols on her electric dulcimer synth, it worked out strange and wonderfully. I also just happened to record it! Woohoo! Anyway, -love the 16th quant and replace bit bunches! I'm using it along with undo to create some wonderfully organic and evolving glitchinessessessessessessessess... lollollol! Anyway, love it bunches! Have a wonderful evening All!... Smiles, CQ At 04:02 PM 11/29/02 -0800, you wrote: >Damn, Steve, you're gonna pull me out of retirement...! > >Steve Lawson wrote: > >> I'm just getting into it, especially in replace mode - have you done any >> polyrythmic stuff with switching 8th=? during a piece > >I personally haven't, but if you're interested in 8th-quant polyrhythms, >try this on for size: > >1) Plug a pedal into the feedback hack >2) Set Insertmode to Substitute >3) Set Interface mode (under "loop/delay" parameters) to either Stutter >or Replace > >The reason for number 3 is that, because the pedal controls feedback in >these modes, the actual front panel knob becomes a "Substitute Feedback" >control. Which simply means that you can adjust how much of the >original loop will still be heard when using Substitute. > >If you turn the front feedback knob all the way to the left, then >Substitute will cover up all of the original material in the loop. If >you turn it all the way to the right, then Substitute basically becomes >Overdub - you can still hear the original material in the loop after >you perform the Substitute function. > >So, you could lay down a 4/4 groove in a single-cycle loop, and then set >8th/cycle to, say, 5. If you start doing 8th-quantized Substitute >business with the front Feedback knob full right, then you'll get these >5:4 polyrhythms happening, but it'll be a truly audible polyrhythm, >because you'll still be able to hear the original loop content (because >you turned the Feedback knob all the way to the right in Stutter or >Replace mode). > >Jesus, that reads a lot more complex than it actuall is, I promise. > >> - any conceptual ideas to pass on? > >Me? Conceptual ideas? What on Earth are you talking about?! Now if >you'd asked for good beer recommendations... > >- I like using 8th-quant with Substitute a lot, because it's a very >surprising, subtle, and smooth way of changing things. You can play >stuff into the EDP and not have any idea how it's going to sound until >you hear it back. But because 8th-quant is on, it will automatically >have a highly rhythmic quality. Kind of like giving glitch-core a nice >suit and a haircut. (Can you tell I need to get out of the house more? >And get a haircut?) > >It's particularly cool if you set the 8th/cycle value to a higher value >than you could realistically play in real time, i.e. putting 8th/cycle >to 16 at a tempo where one cycle = 180 BPM or so. > >- Use some variation when you're doing 8th-quant stuff. Hold the >replace button down for different lengths of time to introduce some >variation in the length of the replace/substitute action, to get away >from the "step sequencer" feel, and try adding a few drops of silence by >hitting the button without playing anything into it. > >Or try doing lots of replace/substitute in one part of a loop, but >leaving the rest of the loop unaltered, for a sort of post-Timbaland >start-stop effect. (Dude, I'm giving away all my good tricks here...) > >- Like Per said, 8th-quant in conjunction with changing speed is a lot >of fun. > >> I'm kind of experimenting with glitchy FSU stuff at the moment, > >You're well on your way to being the first guy to open for both Level 42 >and Autechre... > >> but wondering about more predictable processes and outcomes... > >...which is interesting to hear you say, since I find 8th-quant most >useful for UN-predictable outcomes. It does impose a more assuredly >rhythmic effect, but I find that when I know precisely what I want to do >with Replace stuff, I like having Quantize off, because I can be more >accurate and exact with the way I use it. > >8th-quant is like automatic transmission, and unquantized is like >driving a stick. > >> Anyone with an EDP who hasn't got Loop IV yet, you are missing out on so >> many very very cool features... get it, and let the features teach you some >> new stuff... :o) > >True dat. And mad props to Andy Butler for coming up with 8th-quant in >the first place. > >As is horribly apparent by now, I'm in very dire need of a brisk walk >and a cup of coffee... > >Most best, > >--Andre LaFosse >The Echoplex Analysis Pages: >http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > > Goddess Your BadFiction Moderatrix E-Mail: TheFates@earthlink.net or BadFiction-Owner@onelist.com "For Show and tell today, I brought in this leaf... You will note, that I left the tree where it was..." -Sally Brown- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 1 11:40:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28022; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:37:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:37:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 08:31:15 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: very cute little JL cooper box In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:48 PM -0500 11/29/02, Tom Ritchford wrote: >http://jlcooper.com/pages/new4aes.html > >as big as a sheet of paper and controls channels! The faders are uncomfortable to the touch. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 1 14:51:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06210; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:50:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:50:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c29972$e5fcd9f0$e4981cd5@penthouseviert> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: Subject: Re: very cute little JL cooper box Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:50:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 7:48 PM -0500 11/29/02, Tom Ritchford wrote: > >http://jlcooper.com/pages/new4aes.html > > > >as big as a sheet of paper and controls channels! > > The faders are uncomfortable to the touch. > -- Perhaps true but at least there is a space between 2 faders :) tip fingertips in melt candle stearine (?) or ask guitar player .jukka From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 1 14:57:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06479; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:55:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:55:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:55:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: very cute little JL cooper box Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 7:48 PM -0500 11/29/02, Tom Ritchford wrote: >>http://jlcooper.com/pages/new4aes.html >> >>as big as a sheet of paper and controls channels! > >The faders are uncomfortable to the touch. I remember the first time I picked up a clarinet I couldn't believe how uncomfortable it was! no disrespect meant. it's so small... you could control five or six faders with the heel of your hand once you got it down... What I hope is that the faders are hard to move. I don't want something that I brush and it flicks... I want something I have to really push. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 1 16:05:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10290; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:04:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:04:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 12:44:12 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: very cute little JL cooper box In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:55 PM -0500 12/1/02, Tom Ritchford wrote: >I remember the first time I picked up a clarinet >I couldn't believe how uncomfortable it was! >it's so small... you could control five or six >faders with the heel of your hand once you got it down... > >I want something I have to really push. When I say that the faders are "uncomfortable" I mean that they are sharp and painful. There has been no attempt to round off the little prongs that protrude through the panel. Ordinarily these would have small knobs attached, but in order to miniaturize the design they have been omitted. To get some idea of the problem I suggest you remove the knobs from the faders of your mixer and work with it for a while. You may find as I do that the avoidance of pain is an important part of ergonomics. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 1 16:30:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12019; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:30:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:30:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:29:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: very cute little JL cooper box Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >When I say that the faders are "uncomfortable" I mean that they are >sharp and painful. >You may find as I do that the avoidance of pain is an important part >of ergonomics. well, I certainly hope so! interesting. annoying, even. perhaps small blobs of rubber cement or tape would fix it. why should we have to do that? strange that they'd let it go out that way. -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 09:17:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09088; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:14:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:14:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1038838455!34717 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA970@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: very cute little JL cooper box Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:08:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29A0C.4311A4B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29A0C.4311A4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >When I say that the faders are "uncomfortable" I mean that they are >sharp and painful. >You may find as I do that the avoidance of pain is an important part >of ergonomics. couldn't agree more. I mean, they've gone for a dedicated- rather than assignable- approach, and given the thing plenty of sliders and buttons, but they're all so tiny that you could easily move the wrong one whilst trying to use it to perform a multitrack mixdown or effects change. which, presumably, you'd be recording into y'r pc as a sequence of midi events.... they're trying to reintroduce a hands-on control surface into the increasingly virtual environment but they seem to have missed a meeting somewhere along the way. rules it right out for live use, too. if I were using a pc/mac based multitrack (which I'm not, and probably never would), I would use a pc1600 for level control and transport functions, and a drehbank for other channel parameters. both of these boxes can be set up to do all sorts of other stuff over midi, and the pc1600... (goes into pro-pc1600 rant for the eleventh time....). and there was the short-lived roland vm3100, with configurable transport buttons and audio faders that doubled as midi faders. if only they'd made those things a bit bigger.... as for going-through-null; isn't that more usually a function of the receiving device? "don't do anything until the incoming controller value reaches the current value" sort of thing.... duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>When I say that the faders are "uncomfortable&qu= ot; I mean that they are
>sharp and painful.


>You may find as I do that the avoidance of pain is an= important part
>of ergonomics.

couldn't agree more. I mean, they've gone for a dedicated= - rather than assignable- approach, and given the thing plenty of sliders a= nd buttons, but they're all so tiny that you could easily move the wrong on= e whilst trying to use it to perform a multitrack mixdown or effects change= . which, presumably, you'd be recording into y'r pc as a sequence of midi e= vents.... they're trying to reintroduce a hands-on control surface into the= increasingly virtual environment but they seem to have missed a meeting so= mewhere along the way. rules it right out for live use, too.

 
if I were using a pc/mac based multitrack (which I'm not= , and probably never would), I would use a pc1600 for level control and tra= nsport functions, and a drehbank for other channel parameters. both of thes= e boxes can be set up to do all sorts of other stuff over midi, and the pc1= 600... (goes into pro-pc1600 rant for the eleventh time....). and there was= the short-lived roland vm3100, with configurable transport buttons and aud= io faders that doubled as midi faders. if only they'd made those things a b= it bigger....

as for going-through-null; isn't that more usually a func= tion of the receiving device? "don't do anything until the incoming co= ntroller value reaches the current value" sort of thing....

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29A0C.4311A4B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 10:05:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13042; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:03:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:03:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021202150321.20481.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:03:21 -0800 (PST) From: mike karnowski Subject: fripp/eno To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2100700075-1038841401=:19673" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-2100700075-1038841401=:19673 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all, a local bar in New Orleans is having an all Brian Eno night and I would like to do a set of Fripp/Eno. What song would you all do? I'm thinking of "Index Of Metals" although "Evening Star" is pretty recognizable. Also...what did Fripp look like back then? -mike --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-2100700075-1038841401=:19673 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hey all, a local bar in New Orleans is having an all Brian Eno night and I would like to do a set of Fripp/Eno. What song would you all do? I'm thinking of "Index Of Metals" although "Evening Star" is pretty recognizable.

Also...what did Fripp look like back then?

                         -mike



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Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-2100700075-1038841401=:19673-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 10:21:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14094; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:20:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:20:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-20.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1038842366!39650 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA973@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: fripp/eno Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:13:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29A15.5E051FA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29A15.5E051FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Hey all, a local bar in New Orleans is having an all Brian Eno night and I would like to do a set of Fripp/Eno. What song would you all do? I'm thinking of "Index Of Metals" although "Evening Star" is pretty recognizable. Also...what did Fripp look like back then?<< afro, frown. had started sitting down for gigs back in the early crimson days. dark coloured les paul, maybe a custom, can't remember. he was beginning to smarten himself up a bit but still looked like a student. apologies to any students reading this. how about one of eno's wonderful songs, instead of a loopathon? you should take a crack at "driving me backwards" or "king's lead hat" (his talking heads tribute); I especially like the synth solo in the latter. or you could get a nice indexy loop going and then intone some choice paragraphs from his me-me-me-tome, "with swollen appendices"; for a real eno in-joke, you could arrange for someone to double-track this with you, like he did with all his singing. whatever, you must obtain revoxes, even if they're just for show. duncan/r.m.i./enough slack time today to listen to the whole eno-oeuvre, would that it were here at work with me...... *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29A15.5E051FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>Hey all, a local bar in New Orleans is having an all Brian Eno night and I would like to do a set of Fripp/Eno. What song would you all do? I'm thinking of "Index Of Metals" although "Evening Star" is pretty recognizable.

Also...what did Fripp look like back then?<<

 
afro, frown. had started sitting down for gigs back in the early crimson days. dark coloured les paul, maybe a custom, can't remember. he was beginning to smarten himself up a bit but still looked like a student. apologies to any students reading this.
 
how about one of eno's wonderful songs, instead of a loopathon? you should take a crack at "driving me backwards" or "king's lead hat" (his talking heads tribute); I especially like the synth solo in the latter.
 
or you could get a nice indexy loop going and then intone some choice paragraphs from his me-me-me-tome, "with swollen appendices"; for a real eno in-joke, you could arrange for someone to double-track this with you, like he did with all his singing.
 
whatever, you must obtain revoxes, even if they're just for show.
 
duncan/r.m.i./enough slack time today to listen to the whole eno-oeuvre, would that it were here at work with me......


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29A15.5E051FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 10:23:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14217; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:21:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:21:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DE58A97.CB190BB5@zerocrossing.net> References: <3DE58A97.CB190BB5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:13:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: how reviewer got album? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark- i sent the reviewer a copy of my album (i actually sent out probably around 40 copies to various "independant magazines and online sources"). i should probably read the "indie bible" or something, but i read some source that said that major labels to promote new albums send out between 300-500 copies to reviewers/radio stations. i figured, i'd try to send out a few and see what happens. it's been an experience.... s--- >My I ask a question? How did this reviewer come to review this >album? I'm sure >he wasn't just doing it for fun. He was getting paid in some way. No? You >can't treat a review like this like comments made on a list such as this. >Totally different. > >Mark -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 11:53:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19820; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:44:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:44:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DEB8E13.61314220@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 08:45:07 -0800 From: Marklar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how reviewer got album? References: <3DE58A97.CB190BB5@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7uUGoC.A.m1E.e3469@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, OK. Well, then I guess if I were you I'd be thankful I got *some* response. I imagine most of CDs, that are sent out unsolicited, probably never hit a CD player. Unfortunate. I'd try to filter out the venom, use what you can to make the next CD even better. I say this because from the reviewer seemed to understand the genera of music you were doing but he mostly had technical issues, and not stylistic issues. Forget the Indie Bible. Spend the time honing your craft, and then figure out the business stuff. Good luck, Mark Sottilaro Scott Hansen wrote: > mark- > i sent the reviewer a copy of my album (i actually sent out probably around > 40 copies to various "independant magazines and online sources"). > i should probably read the "indie bible" or something, but i read some > source that said that major labels to promote new albums send out between > 300-500 copies to reviewers/radio stations. i figured, i'd try to send > out a few and see what happens. it's been an experience.... > s--- > > >My I ask a question? How did this reviewer come to review this > >album? I'm sure > >he wasn't just doing it for fun. He was getting paid in some way. No? You > >can't treat a review like this like comments made on a list such as this. > >Totally different. > > > >Mark > > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 12:28:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22261; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:27:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:27:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <974F210C9B02D5118F4A00508BF3736502AAFF81@INDYEXCH26> From: Hoover Alan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sustainiac/Parker Fly Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:26:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29A27.FE2B0730" Resent-Message-ID: <376GJC.A.vbF.9f569@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29A27.FE2B0730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A number of people who subscribe to this list have contacted me during the last couple of years about putting a Sustainiac Stealth Plus system into their Parker Fly. Until very recently, I have had to respond that this has not been possible (although it has worked fine in Niteflys). The main problem is that Fly pickups are a special low-profile design that is not used by any other manufacturer. Our Sustainiac magnetic driver transducers are standard humbucker/single coil profile. Also, Parker electronics cavities tend to be jam-packed. We asked for volunteers to send a Fly and let us evaluate it, but we had no takers. Finally, a brave Fly owner recently sent us his guitar and said "Do whatever it takes"! Here is what we had to do to make everything fit: 1. We had to build a special base to hold the driver. Also, we had to rebuild our coil bobbins by hand in order to shorten them. This requires that we custom-wind each bobbin. Then, the drivers are simply glued (with silicone adhesive) to the neck pickup cavity. 2. Some slight routing of the electronics cavity is necessary (located underneath the large plastic cover on the back) in order to make room for the Sustainiac circuit board. About a half inch is added to the cavity adjacent to the tremolo spring cavity. This is not visible externally, and doesn't appear to affect the body strength in any way. 3. Replacement of the existing output jack with a special 9-pin jack, so that the guitar battery and also the Sustainiac battery can be disconnected whenever the plug is not inserted into the jack. A jack plate must be added to the body, and the existing jack hole enlarged to accept the 9-pin. 4. Placement of the Sustainiac battery is on top of the tremolo spring, underneath the electronics cover. It fits very well there. If any of you Fly owners decide to take the plunge, we recommend that you have us do the installation. There is an extra charge of $75 to do this, over and above our normal $100 installation fee. The end result is that the Sustainiac Stealth Plus works great in the Fly. You can email me for more info if any of you Fly owners are still interested. BTW: The Fly we did had a Fishman piezo system in it which took up most of the room inside the existing electronics cavity. It also had an externally-mounted GK-2a pickup/electronics system. If you have a Fly with internal GK-2a electronics, we will have to take a look at it to see how/if the Sustainiac will fit. Alan Hoover Maniac Music ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29A27.FE2B0730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sustainiac/Parker Fly

A number of people who subscribe to = this list have contacted me during the last couple of years about = putting a Sustainiac Stealth Plus system into their Parker Fly.  = Until very recently, I have had to respond that this has not been = possible (although it has worked fine in Niteflys).  The main = problem is that Fly pickups are a special low-profile design that is = not used by any other manufacturer.  Our Sustainiac magnetic = driver transducers are standard humbucker/single coil profile.  = Also, Parker electronics cavities tend to be jam-packed.  We asked = for volunteers to send a Fly and let us evaluate it, but we had no = takers.

Finally, a brave Fly owner recently = sent us his guitar and said "Do whatever it takes"!

Here is what we had to do to make = everything fit:

1. We had to build a special base to = hold the driver.  Also, we had to rebuild our coil bobbins by hand = in order to shorten them.  This requires that we custom-wind each = bobbin.  Then, the drivers are simply glued (with silicone = adhesive) to the neck pickup cavity.

2. Some slight routing of the = electronics cavity is necessary (located underneath the large plastic = cover on the back) in order to make room for the Sustainiac circuit = board.  About a half inch is added to the cavity adjacent to the = tremolo spring cavity.  This is not visible externally, and = doesn't appear to affect the body strength in any way.

3. Replacement of the existing output = jack with a special 9-pin jack, so that the guitar battery and also the = Sustainiac battery can be disconnected whenever the plug is not = inserted into the jack.  A jack plate must be added to the body, = and the existing jack hole enlarged to accept the 9-pin.

4. Placement of the Sustainiac battery = is on top of the tremolo spring, underneath the electronics = cover.  It fits very well there.

If any of you Fly owners decide to = take the plunge, we recommend that you have us do the = installation.  There is an extra charge of $75 to do this, over = and above our normal $100 installation fee.

The end result is that the Sustainiac = Stealth Plus works great in the Fly.  You can email me for more = info if any of you Fly owners are still interested.

BTW:  The Fly we did had a = Fishman piezo system in it which took up most of the room inside the = existing electronics cavity.  It also had an externally-mounted = GK-2a pickup/electronics system.  If you have a Fly with internal = GK-2a electronics, we will have to take a look at it to see how/if the = Sustainiac will fit.

Alan Hoover
Maniac Music

------_=_NextPart_001_01C29A27.FE2B0730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 13:10:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24559; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:09:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:09:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <3a.305ac98d.2b1cfbad@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:08:45 EST Subject: Hello! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA24538 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there Alan, Did my Model B package arrive back in Indiana yet? tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 13:11:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24731; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:10:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:10:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021202181050.20193.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:10:50 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: re: my first bad review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3E7mOB.A.VCG.sI669@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- matt davignon wrote: > Well, when you something to be reviewed, you're asking for an opinion from > an unbiased pair of ears. I don't think you ever get an "unbiased" pair of ears, just ears with biases which may be different from your own. But yeah, you are definitely exposing yourself for ridicule. > My advice would be to consider his points, determine which of them have > merit, then figure out which of those could be improved, and which ones > can't be fixed without comprimising what's unique about your music. I've heard Scott's music now (thanks!) and I can definitely say that I think the reviewer was seriously offbase. While the recording isn't without faults, the reviewer didn't even get onto the most serious of them, choosing to slam stuff that's subjective (artistic choice) instead. Given what I've heard, I'd say the review isn't really all that interesting, since this guy seems prone to slam on something just because he doesn't like it. And he seesm overly harsh and unconstructive too. I heard nothing on this recording that even remotely qualifies as "mindless guitar wank". > Also consider that music that requires a technical understanding of the > process (for example, knowing what "looping" is) is often a hard sell to > non-musicians. I don't think an understanding of looping is necessary for this recording. Perhaps an appreciation for ambient type music would help, but how it was created really isn't the point here. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 13:29:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25660; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:26:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:26:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DEBA6DB.9DB60608@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 12:30:51 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: my first bad review References: <20021202181050.20193.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My favorite review is from a live gig. I was in playing in a bar band in the southeast and a fairly drunk local boy came up to the stage a yelled; "Hey man, some ya'all are goooood!" we never did find out which of us he was referring to. k Greg House wrote: > --- matt davignon wrote: > > Well, when you something to be reviewed, you're asking for an opinion from > > an unbiased pair of ears. > > I don't think you ever get an "unbiased" pair of ears, just ears with biases > which may be different from your own. But yeah, you are definitely exposing > yourself for ridicule. > > > My advice would be to consider his points, determine which of them have > > merit, then figure out which of those could be improved, and which ones > > can't be fixed without comprimising what's unique about your music. > > I've heard Scott's music now (thanks!) and I can definitely say that I think the > reviewer was seriously offbase. While the recording isn't without faults, the > reviewer didn't even get onto the most serious of them, choosing to slam stuff > that's subjective (artistic choice) instead. Given what I've heard, I'd say the > review isn't really all that interesting, since this guy seems prone to slam on > something just because he doesn't like it. And he seesm overly harsh and > unconstructive too. I heard nothing on this recording that even remotely > qualifies as "mindless guitar wank". > > > Also consider that music that requires a technical understanding of the > > process (for example, knowing what "looping" is) is often a hard sell to > > non-musicians. > I don't think an understanding of looping is necessary for this recording. > Perhaps an appreciation for ambient type music would help, but how it was created > really isn't the point here. > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 13:38:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26105; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:33:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:33:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: theweg@netzero.com X-Original-From: theweg@netzero.com Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:30:29 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:re: my first bad review X-Mailer: NetZero WebMail Version 1.0 Message-Id: <20021202.103248.4160.30784@webmail01.lax.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I agree with Greg! Thanks Scott for the CD. I believe you have some potential, the reviewer may have had an off day, I wouldn't sweat it just keep on playing, keep on writing! Good Luck, weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 13:46:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26703; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:43:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:43:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-22.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1038854573!53914 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA982@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] OT RE: live reviews Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:36:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29A31.CBF63320" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29A31.CBF63320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>My favorite review is from a live gig. I was in playing in a bar band in the southeast and a fairly drunk local boy came up to the stage a yelled; "Hey man, some ya'all are goooood!" we never did find out which of us he was referring to.<< the best sort of live review, for sure, because there's a fighting chance you might actually catch the critic and give them a good talking to. we were once loyally followed by one paul kaye, once dennis pennis and now sometime actor and tv presenter (and appearing in a woolworths commercial on british tv right now). so when we heard "fuck off, you're shite!" from the back of the club, we laughed it off as one of his pranks. it wasn't, and sadly the real critic had got off home before we isolated him from the crowd. bah! duncan/r.m.i. 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>>My favorite review is from a live gig. I was in p= laying in a bar band in the
southeast and a fairly drunk local boy came up to the st= age a yelled;

"Hey man, some ya'all are goooood!"

we never did find out which of us he was referring to.<= ;<

the best sort of live review, for sure, because there's a= fighting chance you might actually catch the critic and give them a good t= alking to.

we were once loyally followed by one paul kaye, once denn= is pennis and now sometime actor and tv presenter (and appearing in a woolw= orths commercial on british tv right now). so when we heard "fuck off,= you're shite!" from the back of the club, we laughed it off as one of= his pranks. it wasn't, and sadly the real critic had got off home before w= e isolated him from the crowd. bah!

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29A31.CBF63320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 14:13:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28996; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:12:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:12:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021202141315.00b04c08@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:17:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: eno nite Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5YZ4X.A.6EH.UC769@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey! waitaminnit! you also want to get a deck of playing cards, right? any old bicycle pack oughta serve the purpose, seeing how the originals will be tough to come by on short notice. then, just as you're going play any next note or change, you first pick a card - nod sagely - then obviously do something different than what you were going to do. obliquely, a:c From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: fripp/eno >> or you could get a nice indexy loop going and then intone some choice paragraphs from his me-me-me-tome, "with swollen appendices"; for a real eno in-joke, you could arrange for someone to double-track this with you, like he did with all his singing. whatever, you must obtain revoxes, even if they're just for show. duncan/r.m.i./enough slack time today to listen to the whole eno-oeuvre, would that it were here at work with me...... >>Hey all, a local bar in New Orleans is having an all Brian Eno night and I would like to do a set of Fripp/Eno. What song would you all do? I'm thinking of "Index Of Metals" although "Evening Star" is pretty recognizable. Also...what did Fripp look like back then?<< >> afro, frown. had started sitting down for gigs back in the early crimson days. dark coloured les paul, maybe a custom, can't remember. he was beginning to smarten himself up a bit but still looked like a student. apologies to any students reading this. how about one of eno's wonderful songs, instead of a loopathon? you should take a crack at "driving me backwards" or "king's lead hat" (his talking heads tribute); I especially like the synth solo in the latter. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 14:34:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30701; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:32:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:32:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c29a39$6f526780$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021202141315.00b04c08@mail.pdfsystems.com> Subject: Re: eno nite Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:31:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <01Ukx.A.nfH.7U769@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > you also want to get a deck of playing cards, right? any old bicycle pack > oughta serve the purpose, seeing how the originals will be tough to come by > on short notice. ...check out http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/obliques.html which has a PDF version for printing onto card stock. My favorite is: http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=1656 which runs on your Palm PDA. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 16:21:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07033; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:20:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:20:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.120.98.166] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sustainiac/Parker Fly Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:20:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2002 21:20:01.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[93363000:01C29A48] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alan Thanks for the info how's the Model C coming?? _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 16:28:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07640; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:27:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:27:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DEBC238.5C39EBF0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 13:27:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sustainiac/Parker Fly References: <974F210C9B02D5118F4A00508BF3736502AAFF81@INDYEXCH26> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of... maybe a few of you kids remember me asking questions about installing the Sustainiac in a Steinberger M series guitar. I did finally give up, as it really didn't fit in the cavity of the Steinberger. (no room for the second battery) Rather than send it away, I brought it to Gary Brawer guitars in SF and he did a great job making it look as if the guitar came from the factory that way. He even installed this flip up battery compartment that makes changing your batteries a no brainer. Having to deal with a dozen screws to change a 9 volt is not my idea of good design. Anyway, the Sustainiac is very cool. It hasn't really replaced my eBow, as I thought it might, but it's more subtle sustain and harmonic mode are very cool. Mark Sottilaro Hoover Alan wrote: > > > A number of people who subscribe to this list have contacted me during > the last couple of years about putting a Sustainiac Stealth Plus > system into their Parker Fly. Until very recently, I have had to > respond that this has not been possible (although it has worked fine > in Niteflys). The main problem is that Fly pickups are a special > low-profile design that is not used by any other manufacturer. Our > Sustainiac magnetic driver transducers are standard humbucker/single > coil profile. Also, Parker electronics cavities tend to be > jam-packed. We asked for volunteers to send a Fly and let us evaluate > it, but we had no takers. > > Finally, a brave Fly owner recently sent us his guitar and said "Do > whatever it takes"! > > Here is what we had to do to make everything fit: > > 1. We had to build a special base to hold the driver. Also, we had to > rebuild our coil bobbins by hand in order to shorten them. This > requires that we custom-wind each bobbin. Then, the drivers are > simply glued (with silicone adhesive) to the neck pickup cavity. > > 2. Some slight routing of the electronics cavity is necessary (located > underneath the large plastic cover on the back) in order to make room > for the Sustainiac circuit board. About a half inch is added to the > cavity adjacent to the tremolo spring cavity. This is not visible > externally, and doesn't appear to affect the body strength in any way. > > 3. Replacement of the existing output jack with a special 9-pin jack, > so that the guitar battery and also the Sustainiac battery can be > disconnected whenever the plug is not inserted into the jack. A jack > plate must be added to the body, and the existing jack hole enlarged > to accept the 9-pin. > > 4. Placement of the Sustainiac battery is on top of the tremolo > spring, underneath the electronics cover. It fits very well there. > > If any of you Fly owners decide to take the plunge, we recommend that > you have us do the installation. There is an extra charge of $75 to > do this, over and above our normal $100 installation fee. > > The end result is that the Sustainiac Stealth Plus works great in the > Fly. You can email me for more info if any of you Fly owners are > still interested. > > BTW: The Fly we did had a Fishman piezo system in it which took up > most of the room inside the existing electronics cavity. It also had > an externally-mounted GK-2a pickup/electronics system. If you have a > Fly with internal GK-2a electronics, we will have to take a look at it > to see how/if the Sustainiac will fit. > > Alan Hoover > Maniac Music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 16:41:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08617; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:39:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:39:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010601c29a4b$4d047e40$6fd262d8@allindlaw> Reply-To: "Doug @ jump/cut" From: "Doug @ jump/cut" To: Subject: FS: Oberheim EDP Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:39:30 -0800 Organization: jump/cut MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <2aSeED.A.jGC.sM969@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been off the list a little while, but now I'm back. Sorry for such a lame first post, but I would like to sell one of my EDPs. Asking Price: US $500 Excellent condition, just got back from thorough check by Gibson crew Loop III v5.0 OS Max'ed out RAM Original (but beat up) box ** Does not include EFC-7 footpedal ** ** Not interested in trades ** If you have any questions, just e-mail me off list. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 17:11:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10868; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:10:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:10:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021202221034.55230.qmail@web80106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:10:34 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: Re: Sustainiac/Parker Fly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <974F210C9B02D5118F4A00508BF3736502AAFF81@INDYEXCH26> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-269417314-1038867034=:55068" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-269417314-1038867034=:55068 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is Maniac Music based in Indiana? What area? Alan do you allow visitors in your factory to discuss options and do demos? The thing is I've wanted a sustainer for a long time, but never had the courage to do it without being able to try it first and hear what the replacement pickup sounds like. Is there any way you can make a sustainer driver out of a normal guitar pickup? Have you ever installed a sustainer into a guitar with EMG David Gilmour Pickups? Thanks. --0-269417314-1038867034=:55068 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Is Maniac Music based in Indiana? What area? Alan do you allow visitors in your factory to discuss options and do demos? The thing is I've wanted a sustainer for a long time, but never had the courage to do it without being able to try it first and hear what the replacement pickup sounds like. Is there any way you can make a sustainer driver out of a normal guitar pickup? Have you ever installed a sustainer into a guitar with EMG David Gilmour Pickups? Thanks.

--0-269417314-1038867034=:55068-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 17:22:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11734; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:19:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:19:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <974F210C9B02D5118F4A00508BF3736502AAFF88@INDYEXCH26> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Sustainiac/Parker Fly Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:18:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29A50.CD68E4E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29A50.CD68E4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Mack We are in Indianapolis. We don't really have a factory, as we outsource small parts and electronic circuits. I run Maniac Music out of my house. You're welcome to set up an appt. and check out some guitars with the Sustainiac if you wish. Theoretically, you can make a pickup into a driver. But what you have to do is drive it with a large amplitude signal (in the hundreds of volts range). This is what the Michael Brook "Infinite Guitar" did back in the 80's. It is very impractical to do it this way, though and has significant engineering problems that in my opinion make it un-manufacturable. Regarding EMG's: I sent you an answer to your email question last week. I will re-forward the message to you. Alan at Maniac Music -----Original Message----- From: Kirkland Mack [mailto:kirklandmack@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 5:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sustainiac/Parker Fly Is Maniac Music based in Indiana? What area? Alan do you allow visitors in your factory to discuss options and do demos? The thing is I've wanted a sustainer for a long time, but never had the courage to do it without being able to try it first and hear what the replacement pickup sounds like. Is there any way you can make a sustainer driver out of a normal guitar pickup? Have you ever installed a sustainer into a guitar with EMG David Gilmour Pickups? Thanks. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29A50.CD68E4E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi, Mack
 
We are in Indianapolis.  We don't really have a factory, as we outsource small parts and electronic circuits.  I run Maniac Music out of my house.  You're welcome to set up an appt. and check out some guitars with the Sustainiac if you wish.  Theoretically, you can make a pickup into a driver.  But what you have to do is drive it with a large amplitude signal (in the hundreds of volts range).  This is what the Michael Brook "Infinite Guitar" did back in the 80's.  It is very impractical to do it this way, though and has significant engineering problems that in my opinion make it un-manufacturable.
 
Regarding EMG's:  I sent you an answer to your email question last week.  I will re-forward the message to you.
 
Alan at Maniac Music
-----Original Message-----
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Is Maniac Music based in Indiana? What area? Alan do you allow visitors in your factory to discuss options and do demos? The thing is I've wanted a sustainer for a long time, but never had the courage to do it without being able to try it first and hear what the replacement pickup sounds like. Is there any way you can make a sustainer driver out of a normal guitar pickup? Have you ever installed a sustainer into a guitar with EMG David Gilmour Pickups? Thanks.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C29A50.CD68E4E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 17:39:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13172; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:34:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:34:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <974F210C9B02D5118F4A00508BF3736502AAFF8A@INDYEXCH26> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Sustainiac/Parker Fly Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:33:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29A52.E4910420" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29A52.E4910420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Whoops, sorry about making that last message public. I forgot that when you hit "RETURN", everything goes to the list! Alan Hoover ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29A52.E4910420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Whoops, sorry about making that last message public.  I forgot that when you hit "RETURN", everything goes to the list!
 
Alan Hoover
------_=_NextPart_001_01C29A52.E4910420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 20:32:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25932; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:31:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:31:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <27.32a5db75.2b1d632e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:30:22 EST Subject: Re: fripp/eno To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It was and still is, a black '58 Les Paul which Fripp raised the money to purchase by digging ditches.....true story. I believe last seen on tour in 1980 with the League of Gentlemen. b.helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 20:45:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26825; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:43:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:43:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c29a6d$5b4bc400$db622544@cc700328b> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <27.32a5db75.2b1d632e@aol.com> Subject: Re: fripp/eno Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:43:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Apparently-From: Microtonez@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > It was and still is, a black '58 Les Paul which Fripp raised the money to > purchase by digging ditches.....true story. I believe last seen on tour in > 1980 with the League of Gentlemen. I don't know what you're replying to, but he's been using a clone for 10-20 years because the '58 LP is too rare to take on the road. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 20:47:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27091; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:46:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:46:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reviewers/promotional copies Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:46:14 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2002 01:46:15.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[C46DFB10:01C29A6D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I've thought of that too. The difference between the press copies sent by a major record label (most "indie" labels as well) and those sent by individuals is that labels often have several stages of criticism, review and quality control involved in the process of making a cd. Not only do they only put out albums by a tiny fraction of the bands that send material to them, but each cd released by a band is only a fraction of the material they would've recorded at home during the same time span. Half of a producer's job is to critique the work as it's being made. By the time a cd is sent to reviewers, they've already fixed most of the things that would be brought up about an individually created cd. (I guess this is part of the reason that CD-r's don't sell as well as cd's.) While we don't all have the money (or desire) to hire producers, it might be a good idea to get the honest opinion of someone familiar with your goals while you're determining what's going to be on your cd. I've done it on my last cd, and it was really valuable to hear opinions on the music by someone who didn't have a hand in making it. I cut a few songs that sounded too repetitive or not complete (and I never would've noticed it by myself). Matt _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 21:00:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29633; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:59:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:59:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Reviewers/promotional copies Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:59:34 -0500 Message-ID: <003001c29a6f$a0bea050$5a2f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funny, in the mid 90's, we were one of the first bands in my area (Tampa Bay) to release albums on CD-r...each hand numbered and signed. Lots of other bands looked disapprovingly like 'Oh, did you do that at *home*???'. Well, with CD duplication then being around $2k for 1000 copies that might eventually be used as furniture in your house, we made the right decision. And sold a hell of a lot of them, and got good reviews from everyone we sent it to, including the major area newspapers, who never mentioned that they were on CD-r. Maybe you can't get that 'major distro deal, dude' with CD-rs, but selling them at shows has paid our rent more than a few times. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > (I guess this is part of the reason that CD-r's don't sell as > well as cd's.) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 2 22:53:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06100; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:52:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:52:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021202101451.033b0560@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:00:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: adrenaLinn for synths In-Reply-To: <3DE7CEB9.4D1DFA1@zerocrossing.net> References: <20021126170232.88165.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20021126190008.036e9b20@icicle.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20021129081022.03494ea8@icicle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:31 PM 11/29/2002 -0800, Mark wrote: >That sounds like a cool device! My pal Keith would love something like >that, as he >was an early adopter of the Commodore64 for synthesis. The Sidstation is definitely the top-rung of the bunch for 6581/8580 synthesis, especially since it's the only freestanding solution I know of. However, it's also the most expensive. So, there are a couple of other options your buddy might be interested in knowing about as well. If he's using a PC for music/sound, have him check out http://www.hardsid.com. The HardSid is a PC card that acts as a Sid host card. If I remember correctly, the original HardSid (single Sidchip version) is only about 90 bucks. That doesn't actually include the Sid chip, though. Or if he's into VSTi's (PC or Mac), there's a Sid emulator put out by ReFX (http://www.refx.net) called QuadraSid. It's not quite the same as having a real 6581 chip, but it's a pretty interesting virtual instrument nonetheless. >Well, if you've got noise issues, I'd for sure steer clear of the AdrenaLinn, >because you're going to have to make sure it's output is low, as to not >distort the >AdrenaLinn's input. Hrm, not certain if it's going to be quite the issue, since it's not conventional noise. Rather than normal ambient circuit hiss, this is more the type noise as, "my finger's not on the keyboard anymore so why can I still hear that last note, @#$%! it!" But if I can get something in between there to match the output, as you suggested, the AdrenaLinn's noise gate might be able to handle it... ...or maybe not. ;) >Upon hearing all that you've said, I wonder if maybe the Electrix MoFX and >Filterfactory might be a better solution for what you're craving. I hadn't considered the MoFX, and will now take a much closer look into that one. I've been concentrating quite a bit on "models" lately. For instance, I've been trying to tweek mic models in lieu of using EQ on some of my digitally recorded tracks. The philosophy being that a model will respond more dynamically to level changes than would a straight EQ. Likewise, my thoughts were that an "amp model" would be superior to a distortion & EQ for adding warmth/crunch. Or that's how it looks on paper, anyhow . Another option is that I've an old Korg A3 back in the studio that I could probably pull off the Matrix 1000 to which it's dedicated. However, it's bloody big (even as rack units go) and I'm not really certain how I'd find room for it in the rack. One of the things I liked about the AdrenaLinn was getting all those functions together in a single small (stompbox-sized) widget that I could just throw on a desk next to the Sidstation. Since you mentioned it, I've already got one of the Line6 Filter Pro's installed into my rig. As to how it sounds, I'd say that overall, if you were to match them up head-to-head with the originals, no single algorithm is as good as the individual device it was modelled after. However, getting almost twenty different models in a single box that are each about 90% of the original -- and all for a price less than any single one of those vintage and hard-to-find instruments -- now that's a really good deal. Finally, a couple of guys on the Elektron list have been raving about the results from having put their Sidstations through the external inputs on the new Dave Smith Evolver (http://www.davesmithinstruments.com). I've tried similar experiments by routing outboard signals through some of my other synths' filters, however. I've never really been impressed by the results, unfortunately (aside: back in the early 80's my whole rig consisted of a little Casio MT routed through the filter on a MiniMoog. it sounded fantastic, and just shows that if you get the right combination the sound can be utterly gorgeous). The Evolver can do some really neat stuff it's own right, but it's nearly twice the price of the AdrenaLinn. Ah, well... So, in closing, thanks for suggesting the MoFX. I'm going to have to take a hard look at whether that might be the ticket. The only catch is, of course, the fact that Electrix is no more and I'm going to need to find a used one someplace to try it out. <*sigh*> I think we've all lamented over that particular situation quite a bit, however. Thanks again! -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 01:16:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17487; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:15:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:15:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.167.149.33] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: last minute gig spam (SF) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:14:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2002 06:14:01.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C86D8A0:01C29A93] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry about the last minute notice. This Tuesday (tonight?) I'll be performing in a "music entirely from field recordings" duo with Aaron Ximm (aka The Quiet American). He'll be improvising with minidiscs of recordings throughout Asia, and I'll be using tapes of sounds from the SF Bay Area. The last time we did this, we were quite happy with the results. We're on from 10:30-11:00, but the other featured musicians that I'm familiar with are all quite good. (Including fellow LD'er Alan Imberg!) Seeing as much as you can is highly recommended. This is part of this month's "Under the Radar" event. At: 26 Mix 3024 Mission St. (at 26th) San Francisco 9pm-1am $3 It's a bar/club, so 21 and over only. Here's the entire schedule: 9-9:30 Ernesto Diaz-Infante Lance Grabmiller AlQ LX Rudis Jesse Quattro Dina Emerson 9:30-10:00 Alan Imberg Joseph Zitt Tom Djll 10:00-10:30 Ovo Bitter Pie 10:30-11:00 Group 2: Matt Davignon Aaron Ximm 11:00 - 11:30 Group4: Recursive Heretics (Scott Looney and Company) 11:30 -12:00 The Luxury Tax Vs. Zygote Vs. Marco Vs. Ian 12:00 - 12:30 Rent Romus Moe! Staiano James A Livingston _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 01:30:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18398; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:28:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:28:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.167.149.33] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CD-R's Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:27:29 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2002 06:27:29.0852 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E2E5FC0:01C29A95] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wasn't knocking CD-r's. In fact I'm quite happy with the do-it-yourself-ness they represent. I sometimes even specifically look for them when record shopping. What I was alluding to is the attitude the record stores, and to some degree, the buying public has to them. It's happening less and less, but I've had experiences with record stores making faces when they find out your "CD's" are CDr's. Matt ------------------------ Dave Eichenberger wrote: Funny, in the mid 90's, we were one of the first bands in my area (Tampa Bay) to release albums on CD-r...each hand numbered and signed. Lots of other bands looked disapprovingly like 'Oh, did you do that at *home*???'. Well, with CD duplication then being around $2k for 1000 copies that might eventually be used as furniture in your house, we made the right decision. And sold a hell of a lot of them, and got good reviews from everyone we sent it to, including the major area newspapers, who never mentioned that they were on CD-r. Maybe you can't get that 'major distro deal, dude' with CD-rs, but selling them at shows has paid our rent more than a few times. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com And before that I wrote: >(I guess this is part of the reason that CD-r's don't sell as >well as cd's.) > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 03:52:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28607; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:48:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:48:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:47:47 +0100 Subject: Re: CD-R's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, December 3, 2002, at 07:27 AM, matt davignon wrote: > I've had experiences with record stores making faces when they find > out your "CD's" are CDr's. I think the reason is that with all this RIAA/DMCA crap that is floating around, there are many CDR producers who seem to be secretly making their CDR's unplayable for audio for many CD players. I've been through about 4 or 5 different makes of CDRs, and especially for older CD players and computer CD drives, they are unrecognisable/skip as audio CD's..... ....its a bastard. It has made me lose all confidence in selling them to the general public. Of course, many manufacturers also make 'audio CDR's' that are, of course, much more expensive than standard CDR's. -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 04:05:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31024; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 04:05:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 04:05:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c29aab$85f97b00$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Reviewers/promotional copies Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:53:49 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <9neU4.A.kkH.8OH79@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt davignon" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 01:46:AM Subject: Re: Reviewers/promotional copies > Yeah, I've thought of that too. The difference between the press copies sent > by a major record label (most "indie" labels as well) and those sent by > individuals is that labels often have several stages of criticism, review > and quality control involved in the process of making a cd. Not only do they > only put out albums by a tiny fraction of the bands that send material to > them, but each cd released by a band is only a fraction of the material they > would've recorded at home during the same time span. Half of a producer's > job is to critique the work as it's being made. By the time a cd is sent to > reviewers, they've already fixed most of the things that would be brought up > about an individually created cd. By this logic, it would be incumbent upon any of us who wish to send off such material to fake the look of a "professionally-produced" CD, so to give life to a predictable added-value perception on the part of the reviewer, and most probably improve one's chances of being listened to altogether (as well as getting a positive review). Silly, isn't it? But if one wants radio play these days, controlled and operated for the most part by the Clear Channel, one should not only fake the packaging but also the look of a package from the Big Five record companies, neh? Somehow I'm not sure any of that is necessary, unless we allow the ongoing moves to steal the copyright process to continue. If so, it's the fault of those who think they can't do anything about it. > (I guess this is part of the reason that CD-r's don't sell as well as cd's.) One of the other reasons is that CD-Rs simply don't play on many recently-produced players. This is not the fault of the disc, but BY DESIGN, on the part of players, thanks to those beneficent chaps at the RIAA. Thankfully for the most part CD players have escaped this, but not DVD players. However, there is hope, with more and more DVD players supporting CD-R as well as DVD-R. No matter how they delay, copy protection technology is still a joke at best, and a hindrance to listening at worst. > While we don't all have the money (or desire) to hire producers, it might be > a good idea to get the honest opinion of someone familiar with your goals > while you're determining what's going to be on your cd. I've done it on my > last cd, and it was really valuable to hear opinions on the music by someone > who didn't have a hand in making it. I cut a few songs that sounded too > repetitive or not complete (and I never would've noticed it by myself). I will never short-cut the aspect of getting good opinions of your work, especially if they're from the "real world", as opposed to friends and relations. Not only do you get opinions you didn't anticipate, sometimes you get new ideas as well. S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 04:05:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31074; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 04:05:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 04:05:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dc01c29aab$315f27c0$b8f0abd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: References: Subject: Electrix Repeater needed please... Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:05:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hy to all, I need an electrix Repeater, if someone know from where or from who i can get one please tell me... Sometimes people who don't want to wait loose use of mouth and don't speak... Ciao... Sergio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 05:16:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03126; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 05:14:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 05:14:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 05:13:56 EST Subject: Re: CD-R's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/3/02 8:49:08 AM, loopers-delight@solostring.com writes: << I've been through about 4 or 5 different makes of CDRs, and especially for older CD players and computer CD drives, they are unrecognisable/skip as audio CD's..... >> Are you sure it's a problem with the CDR's your using and not the burning software - burning to red book specs etc.? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 05:54:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04826; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 05:50:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 05:50:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: Electrix Repeater needed please... Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:44:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <00dc01c29aab$315f27c0$b8f0abd4@tin.it> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'll be selling mine soon... if anyone wants to make an offer... perfect condition w/original packaging and manuals. 64mb flash card. paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Amleto [mailto:tosleeptodienomore@supereva.it] > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 1:06 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Electrix Repeater needed please... > > > Hy to all, > I need an electrix Repeater, if someone know from where or from who i can > get one please tell me... > Sometimes people who don't want to wait loose use of mouth and don't > speak... > Ciao... > Sergio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 06:19:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07245; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:16:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:16:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:15:48 +0100 Subject: Re: CD-R's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <930E8712-06B0-11D7-A2B8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, December 3, 2002, at 11:13 AM, PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > Are you sure it's a problem with the CDR's your using and not the > burning > software - burning to red book specs etc.? I'm almost certain its the CDR's. When I switch brands, or use a more expensive brand of CDR (i.e. Kodak Gold), there is no problem. I use Toast Titanium for OSX, and burn under the 'audio CD' setting, so it should be ok. -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 08:38:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16538; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:36:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:36:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <1ba.a204f80.2b1e0d48@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:36:08 EST Subject: Re: fripp/eno To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mr. Beardsley , 1980 was over 20 years ago, check your calender. b.helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 08:42:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17096; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:41:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:57:24 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:41:34 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-Id: Resent-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater needed please... From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Resent-From: Steve Ginn X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a brand new one for sale, never been opened, with all original paperwork and packaging. Steve On Tuesday, December 3, 2002, at 03:05 AM, Amleto wrote: > Hy to all, > I need an electrix Repeater, if someone know from where or from who i > can > get one please tell me... > Sometimes people who don't want to wait loose use of mouth and don't > speak... > Ciao... > Sergio > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 08:47:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17692; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:47:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:47:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <974F210C9B02D5118F4A00508BF3736502AAFF8F@INDYEXCH26> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Sustainiac/Parker Fly Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:46:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29AD2.606B4E50" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29AD2.606B4E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, James The Model C is coming along. I'm predicting that here will be a few units available by the end of the year. But don't consider that a promise! Alan -----Original Message----- From: James Winger [mailto:jdwinger@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 4:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sustainiac/Parker Fly Alan Thanks for the info how's the Model C coming?? _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29AD2.606B4E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Sustainiac/Parker Fly

Hi, James

The Model C is coming along.  I'm predicting = that here will be a few units available by the end of the year.  = But don't consider that a promise!

Alan

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Alan

Thanks for the info

how's the Model C coming??



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29AD2.606B4E50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 09:06:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20127; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:05:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:05:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c29ad5$001ff0c0$db622544@cc700328b> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <1ba.a204f80.2b1e0d48@aol.com> Subject: Re: fripp/eno Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:05:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Apparently-From: Microtonez@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > Mr. Beardsley , > 1980 was over 20 years ago, check your calender. No kidding. What's your point? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 09:19:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20953; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:18:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:18:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1038924952!22084 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA989@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: fripp/eno Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:10:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29AD5.AAB02FA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29AD5.AAB02FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Mr. Beardsley , > 1980 was over 20 years ago, check your calender. No kidding. What's your point?<<< hey, you two, get a room! duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29AD5.AAB02FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" [looper's] RE: fripp/eno

> Mr. Beardsley ,
> 1980 was over 20 years ago, check your calender.

No kidding. What's your point?<<<



hey, you two, get a room!

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29AD5.AAB02FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 10:57:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29600; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:57:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:57:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021203155636.59442.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:56:36 -0800 (PST) From: mike karnowski Subject: re: Fripp/Eno To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1213931986-1038930996=:59048" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1213931986-1038930996=:59048 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >how about one of eno's wonderful songs, instead of a loopathon? you >should >take a crack at "driving me backwards" or "king's lead hat" (his >talking >heads tribute); I especially like the synth solo in the latter. There are already bands doing Roxy Music, Solo Eno ( I can't wait to see if they can pull off that "Baby's on Fire" solo!) and I am also going to be doing a Talking heads set with my band. Set list: -I Zimbra -Cities -Drugs -Memories can't wait -The Overload -Seen and not seen -Mea Culpa (from My Life in the Bush of Ghosts) comments/suggestions? p.s. I am using the dual reel to reel set-up for the Fripp stuff. -mike I am using the dual reel to reel for the Fripp stuff although not Revoxes --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-1213931986-1038930996=:59048 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

>how about one of eno's wonderful songs, instead of a loopathon? you
>should
>take a crack at "driving me backwards" or "king's lead hat" (his
>talking
>heads tribute); I especially like the synth solo in the latter.

    There are already bands doing Roxy Music, Solo Eno ( I can't wait to see if they can pull off that "Baby's on Fire" solo!) and I am also going to be doing a Talking heads set with my band. Set list:

-I Zimbra

-Cities

-Drugs

-Memories can't wait

-The Overload

-Seen and not seen

-Mea Culpa (from My Life in the Bush of Ghosts)

    comments/suggestions?

p.s. I am using the dual reel to reel set-up for the Fripp stuff.

                                       -mike

   I am using the dual reel to reel for the Fripp stuff although not Revoxes




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Sign up now --0-1213931986-1038930996=:59048-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 10:58:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29494; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:56:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:56:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DECD4D4.3060803@skeletonhome.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:59:16 -0500 From: bruce tovsky Reply-To: bruce@skeletonhome.com Organization: skeleton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: pcm 41 delay expansion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi new to the list, but a long time looper! question: i remember a few years back someone was doing mods to the pcm 41 & 42, expanding memory and other stuff. does anyone know if that's still around? i've got an old pcm 41 and i'd love to expand the delay memory. thanks bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 11:05:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31560; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:03:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:03:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <930E8712-06B0-11D7-A2B8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> References: <930E8712-06B0-11D7-A2B8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:02:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: CD-R's Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1o6XHB.A.CtH.QXN79@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Tuesday, December 3, 2002, at 11:13 AM, PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > >>Are you sure it's a problem with the CDR's your using and not the burning >>software - burning to red book specs etc.? > >I'm almost certain its the CDR's. When I switch brands, or use a >more expensive brand of CDR (i.e. Kodak Gold), there is no problem. >I use Toast Titanium for OSX, and burn under the 'audio CD' setting, >so it should be ok. This is a matter of Great Concern to me -- all my stuff comes out on CD-R and I'd love to find out some more information so I can avoid the bad brands. I'm not going to randomly buy a "more expensive" CD-R without some sort of verification that I'm getting something for my money -- I did a quick web search that didn't get anything too clear -- any hints...!??! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 11:42:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01471; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:34:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:34:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DECDCFA.19B6FDDF@ripco.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:34:03 -0600 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping via MAX/MSP References: <200212021417.JAA09292@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Lou, While I prefer using the Echoplex Digital Pro for looping, I've began using Max/MSP this summer with a PowerBook, and the Tascam US428 USB interface. I don't know of any retail outlets for Max/MSP. I only saw Cycling 74's Pluggo listed in the Sweetwater catlog. I guess that since Max/MSP is a programming environment, there's probably less interest in it across the larger music software market. You trade off versatility for a steep learning curve. If you're familar with working on old analog modulkar synths, you can grasp the concept easily. Simply downloading the 30-day demo, or purchasing it, direct from Cycling 74 may be the only answer. The folks who run Cycling 74 are very helpful. I think of Max/MSP users as a community rather than a market. The Tascam US428 is 4in/2out, mixing surface controller with 8 faders, MIDI i/o that will work Max/MSP. So far, I've only cobbled together a patch that allows me use the US428 faders to send control the parameters of a filter patch, which I was using to process the output of a Echoplex loop. I hope this helps.... Eric -- Upcoming Performances & Events: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html Dec. 3, 23.30—00.00 London Time/5:30—6:00PM Chicago Time. OUT OF THE BLUE RADIO on Resonance FM. 104.4 FM: http://www.l-m-c.org.uk/ (streamed). Leonardson's binaural soundscape of Wicker Park studio environs. Dec. 14 with Jim Meneses, Toshi Makihara, and films by Peter Rose at TRITONE, 1508 South St., Philadelphia Home page: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 11:44:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01656; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:36:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:36:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:35:46 +0100 Subject: Re: CD-R's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <462E05C6-06DD-11D7-A2B8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: <9oebQ.A.yZ.J2N79@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, December 3, 2002, at 05:02 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > I'm not going to randomly buy a "more expensive" CD-R without > some sort of verification that I'm getting something for my > money -- I did a quick web search that didn't get anything > too clear -- any hints...!??! Trial and error.... unfortunately. Whilst most CDR's work in 'most' CD players, there are very few that I have found that work in all. I have a couple of old CD players in the house, and use those to test which work, and which dont. I did start burning my CD's on Imitation CDR's, and at first, there were no problems. However, a month or two after using them, I got a couple of complaints from purchasers saying that it did not work. They to had old CD players. There was another post on LD (S P Goodman) says that many new CD players and DVD players also have problems with CDR's... I've tried searching on the internet for more information, but have to found nothing solid. It is ironic that all of these DMCA/RIAA laws that are coming into place are actually hurting the people who are meant to be protected by these laws. Oh wait, sorry, its only signed artists who have sold their soul to the RIAA who are meant to be covered. I forgot. Silly me.... -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 11:58:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02866; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:54:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:54:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 08:50:47 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: CD-R's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DECE0E7.14E1A3F2@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <462E05C6-06DD-11D7-A2B8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0ja8XC.A.ss.aHO79@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had older CD players that just didn't seem to do well with most CDs after a while. Finally getting to a point of not playing any CDs or CDROMS. Could it be something about the laser getting weaker over time? I was once told that solid state lasers (LEDs) start developing tiny cracks, due to imperfections, which eventually lead to the laser's death. Could this be the issue with some older CD players? Weaker lasers not being able to play more imperfect CDROMs? Could CDROM backings sometimes be less reflective than CD backings? Just curious... Mark Sottilaro "Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" wrote: > I got a couple of > complaints from purchasers saying that it did not work. They to had old > CD players. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 12:19:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05995; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:19:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:19:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c29af0$89601840$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <462E05C6-06DD-11D7-A2B8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <3DECE0E7.14E1A3F2@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: CD-R's Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:21:09 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found the laser gun would be the first to fail in most CD players circa 1983-1992... My first player died in a month, culprit: laser gun, which would have cost $300 to replace at the time, despite the player costing $180...! When the CD-R/RW drives came along I jumped onboard, using a Yamaha 4416s - and stopped using RW disks altogether. It didn't seem that the technology was mature enough yet, given the number of coasters made from RW disks of just about all vendors. Yes, ESPECIALLY the 50-disc packs Fry's sold from somewhere in Indonesia...! The drive is still functioning fine, though of course I'm only writing at 16x... [shrug] A friend of mine with a Yamaha 24x CDR/RW drive says he's only had trouble with cheap discs, but otherwise all CD players are fine for him. I toggle between Maxell and TDK CD-Rs, avoiding generic disc packs, and don't have a problem on any CD players reported to me - but then this is less than 30 as a sample. As far as CD players go, I think the bugs are out of 'em enough for even a cheap one from an unknown knock-off manufacturer (with the exception that their QA is typically so bad, it's not the laser that goes but the moving parts!) to play CD-Rs. A look through the specs of DVD players shows an odd pattern of CD-R support for playing. Many DVD players made for the first time supported Redbook no problem. Then, sometime between 1999 and now, the specs for players have no support for CD-R. At DVD Europe 2001 and 2002, there was some discussion about this, as a possibly major embarrassment for the DVD player manufacturers, especially since CD-R is a mature, accepted disc format. There was more support for CD-I than CD-R two years ago! Now, look at the Sony web pages extolling their new line of DVD players: ALL of them now play CD-Rs. How was it that there was that period in the beginning when CD-Rs would play, though now it's being touted as a "new feature"? Can you spell, "RIAA"? ;P Sounds at times like they don't all get along, doesn't it? Sony's in a rough spot. They want to protect all that "software" they bought (aka music), but they also make the technology that millions use to duplicate that software, whether legally or otherwise. S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 16:50:PM Subject: Re: CD-R's > I've had older CD players that just didn't seem to do well with most CDs > after a while. Finally getting to a point of not playing any CDs or > CDROMS. Could it be something about the laser getting weaker over time? I > was once told that solid state lasers (LEDs) start developing tiny cracks, > due to imperfections, which eventually lead to the laser's death. Could > this be the issue with some older CD players? Weaker lasers not being able > to play more imperfect CDROMs? Could CDROM backings sometimes be less > reflective than CD backings? Just curious... > > Mark Sottilaro > > "Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" wrote: > > > I got a couple of > > complaints from purchasers saying that it did not work. They to had old > > CD players. > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 12:23:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05848; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:16:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:16:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:54:12 -0800 From: glenn Subject: Re: CD-R's In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com true, or cache settings, testing the throughput of the machine versus the burn rate, disk fragenting and the fact that red book never supported 80 minute discs. on 12/3/02 2:13 AM, PMimlitsch@aol.com at PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/3/02 8:49:08 AM, loopers-delight@solostring.com writes: > > << I've been > through about 4 or 5 different makes of CDRs, and especially for older > CD players and computer CD drives, they are unrecognisable/skip as > audio CD's..... >> > > Are you sure it's a problem with the CDR's your using and not the burning > software - burning to red book specs etc.? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 12:23:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06333; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:23:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:23:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 12:23:28 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: CD-R's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00e301c29af0$b1f5cde0$db622544@cc700328b> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <462E05C6-06DD-11D7-A2B8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <3DECE0E7.14E1A3F2@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" > I've had older CD players that just didn't seem to do well with most CDs > after a while. Finally getting to a point of not playing any CDs or > CDROMS. Could it be something about the laser getting weaker over time? I > was once told that solid state lasers (LEDs) start developing tiny cracks, > due to imperfections, which eventually lead to the laser's death. Could > this be the issue with some older CD players? Weaker lasers not being able > to play more imperfect CDROMs? Could CDROM backings sometimes be less > reflective than CD backings? Just curious... A skipping cd is the first sign of the end for a cd player. I've lost count of how many cd players have died on me over the past 12-13 years. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 12:35:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06992; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:31:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:31:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021203173037.74050.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:30:37 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: OT: BBE sonic maximizer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200212030616.BAA17558@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BBE are discontinuing their 482 and 882 series of sonic maximizers. They are being replaced with the 482i and the 882i, which are just repackages of the originals with sturdier faceplates and nicer knurled knobs. Street price was around $200 for the 482 and Guitar Center is carrying them for $100. I just picked a 482 up yesterday after calling BBE to confirm which model would be most suitable for my applications. Wow. It's not an EQ device like the exciter type modules, rather it "corrects" the phase distortions that occur from sending any signal through an amp and speakers. I play a digital piano and hearing those inner voices is very important to the style that I value. This 482 has done a minor miracle in clarifying the mix for me. Damn, now I have to play more accurately! Usually it is the last processor in your signal chain, coming after any EQ or compression. It requires a line level input and so can be inserted in your effects loop from your guitar amp. I'd be curious to hear what other people's experiences are with this unit, I'm pretty impressed by what I'm hearing so far in my own studio. SVG __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 12:49:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08459; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:48:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:48:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c29af4$11c201a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <462E05C6-06DD-11D7-A2B8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <3DECE0E7.14E1A3F2@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: CD-R's Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:47:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > . . . > Could CDROM backings sometimes be less > reflective than CD backings? > . . . CD-Rs and CDs are quite different beasts, though they look the same. The technology is very different and CD-Rs are newer, which is one reason older players don't handle CD-Rs very well. This website has some great information: http://www.cdrfaq.org/ In a nutshell, CD-Rs use an organic dye while CDs use an aluminized reflective layer. Different manufacturers use different dyes. Various players may work better with one dye than another. *Note: The same manufacturer may use different dyes in different batches of CD-Rs.* This is particularly true of "off-brand" CD-Rs. These manufactureres typically do not make their own disks; they simply buy huge batches of the cheapest and brand them. Hence the dyes can vary widely even from the same manufacturer. Fortunately, the "true name" of the manufacturer is on the CD-R. Try this program to read it: http://www.gum.de/cdrid/ I may have posted this info before so pardon the repeat if so. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 12:59:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09331; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:57:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:57:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021203125849.00a8b278@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 13:02:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: what's next - obStrat's on amazon? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey dennis i dunno.... somehow i just feel like the palm one is "less oblique". don't know why, except to say that maybe i feel like a PDA could actually think about what it's doing. or maybe it's a tarot-holdover: yknow, you're supposed to TOUCH the cards so they can know about YOU! stick, dealer! a:c At 01:16 AM 12/3/2002 -0500, you wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:31:38 -0500 From: "Dennis Leas" To: Subject: Re: eno nite ...check out http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/obliques.html which has a PDF version for printing onto card stock. My favorite is: http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=1656 which runs on your Palm PDA. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 13:05:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09361; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:57:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:57:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:49:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: CD-R issue Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have burned about 140 cdr-da's (digital audio) w/ my philips cd recorder since i've gotten it in march of this year, and i check all copies that come out (listen to first track and last track) and they have all sounded fine on my cd player (sony 5 slot thing). i've only had one friend say that my cd(r) didn't play in his system. i never followed up to get specs of his system etc. i know that my old sony cd player that bit the dust 2 yrs ago would not play cdr that a friend burned for me from a computer. but my new(er) sony has had no problems. funny on the (professional) cd vs cdr issue: last weekend i just took a bunch of cd's that i've not listened to in years to a local used "record shop". in comparison: the cdr's i've received from people on the LD site i don't think i will ever get rid of. for some reason to me, since they are "homemade" on the individual's system, i think of them as more "personal" and for some reason a bit more "art-like", and hence i won't ever get rid of them from my collection. it might also be that i love the material on them, the sound is good, the performances are good, etc. it's inspiring to hear others using looping, etc. oh well, my 2 cents for the day on the cdr vs. cd issue..... s--- >I wasn't knocking CD-r's. In fact I'm quite happy with the >do-it-yourself-ness they represent. I sometimes even specifically >look for them when record shopping. > >What I was alluding to is the attitude the record stores, and to >some degree, the buying public has to them. It's happening less and >less, but I've had experiences with record stores making faces when >they find out your "CD's" are CDr's. > >Matt -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 13:21:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12145; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:14:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:14:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: cd-r's Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:10:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2002 18:10:22.0518 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F0C8560:01C29AF7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Are you sure it's a problem with the CDR's your using and not the burning >software - burning to red book specs etc.? I have the same problem too. Many 80 minute cd-r's will play about 2/3 the way through on a regular cd player. Then it'll start to skip until the player fails. Those were ones I bought at neato.com, but I think I had that problem with some others too. When I noticed that happening last year, I bought 400 of the good but soon to be discontinued brand. I only have about 20 of those left... _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 13:58:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15033; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:55:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:55:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021203185516.27841.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:55:16 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: cd release party live MP3 !!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Taaffe, Denis G" wrote: > http://www.dtguitar.com/vertigonov26.mp3 > > If you take a listen, let me know what you think, would be appreciated. Very nice work. I've heard major label CDs that I didn't like as much. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 14:05:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16930; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:04:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:04:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021203120708.007df100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 12:07:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: fripp/eno In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA989@LON-MAIL07> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Naah!, -let's watch!, -it could be interesting... lollollol! Smiles, CQ At 02:10 PM 12/3/02 -0000, you wrote: > > Mr. Beardsley , >> 1980 was over 20 years ago, check your calender. <<< > > hey, you two, get a room! duncan/r.m.i. > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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Is there info on the website I'm not finding? --0-455278509-1038942621=:97735 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Alan can you tell us about the model C? Is there info on the website I'm not finding?

 

--0-455278509-1038942621=:97735-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 14:12:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17481; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:11:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:11:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1038942708!57345 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA996@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] OT- RE: CD-R issue Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:05:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29AFF.01390FD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29AFF.01390FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I make audio cd-r's in a philips dual-deck job, and a denon cd recorder......problems? sometimes I forget to finalize them.... but seriously. I've made countless dozens of cd-r's of our albums in an HP drive and in a memorex drive on the pc, 1.7GHz, w98, using cd-architect, and in a ricoh drive on an i-mac using toast/jam/os9. I'm estimating that I've had maybe 1/200 coaster ratio, and it's largely irrespective of stock used. cd players that won't read a cd-r successfully will probably already be concealing errors on "pressed" cds aswell; cd-r's are a little harder to read for sure, because they're basically scorch-marks instead of dents doing the reflecting, but they were intended to run in the same drives and if they don't, it's usually the drive. if the media is faulty, the problem will be apparent in any drive, in my experience, including the one that burned it. you'll tend not to get variations in the reflectivity of the scorches across one disc or even one batch of media, unless there's something badly wrong with your burner I have a korg d1600 multitrack, with their recommended yamahaha 4416 drive fitted. it burns at 4x and fucks up nearly every time, using unbranded 80 minute media that works perfectly at 12x in the memorex. dunno. the errors are usually about 15' in, so I'm guessing some sort of sympathetic vibrational effect. after that, they play fine out to 80 minutes. if the error's always in the same place, it's the media or the burner. if the skips are in a different place (and it may be hard to tell for sure) then it's the player. when I get a new load of blank stock, I burn a load of /data/ (jpegs or whatever) onto one or two of them and verify it. large files are good, because they depend on a greater number of 0's and 1's for their overall integrity. I don't know the details of the crc/checksum algorithms, but I'm assuming that the order of magnitude of error tolerance is going to be the same for any sort of 0's and 1's one might stuff onto them. even if you pay $2 apiece for blanks (and in london, they can be had a lot cheaper than that), you can still afford to make three copies and lock one in a dark place. as for mass-production (i.e. upwards of 10) for sale on websites/at gigs and so forth, I have some experience here too..... we've had one or two coasters slip the net (as it were...) but not many. the secret is to do a session and check 1st, 5th, 9th &c&c, and check again if you change source files, reboot the pc or switch to a different brand of stock. better yet- pay someone else to take the risk. lots of companies have set up shop that will bang out 10 or 1000 cd-r's for you, on maintained duplicators and using trusted stock. the extra cost is minimal and they'll do all sorts of other stuff like proper on-body printing &c. relatively small businesses like this can't afford to make mistakes, so they tend to be quite thorough in researching the best burners, burn-speed and (of course) the stock itself. upwards of 3-400, though, it becomes reasonable to do a glass-master/pressing. as for the 80 minute cd in a regular player- I've had exactly the same problem in my ancient marantz (now totally retired) and a top-of-the-range quad unit, with /pressed/ cd's exceeding the original morita-san-wants-a-whole-symphony-on-this-damn-thing spec. (philips were going to make the thing 14 bit, 60 minutes and 5", until the patron saint of walkthings intervened). the issue is jitter/error correction of same. towards the outer edge of the disc, it's harder to extract 0's and 1's as accurately as in the centre, even though the rotation slows down, mainly because there's more vertical play in the mechanism and it throws the focus of the beam. I used to combat this effect in a non-jog-proof portable by tilting it, and you may find the same thing helps with larger machines, inconvenience aside. if only it was just a laser.... I don't know why exactly, but I'm sure it's out there somewhere on "how stuff works".... but there's a little plastic lens glued on top of the laser diode. aswell as the diode itself aging and dimming, the plastic lens crazes and goes cloudy just like any other transparent plastic. also, the pickup device will get less sensitive. bearings and slides in the mechanism will wear and get play in them. the main rotor bearing, just like on a turntable or tape deck, will start to wobble. best thing the manufacturer can do is put a load of ram in there and hope that the checksums are within limits. otherwise the box has to start inventing audio..... and the same checks apply to writers- they're all readers too. 80 minute discs are outside of the original spec but are tolerated/allowed because modern players have more ram and can have a few goes at reading each bit. it won't help much if the bit isn't there to start with, and my experiences with the 80min discs I'm using at the moment would suggest that the HP, ricoh and memorex drives are fine with it, at up to 12x, but the yamahaha just can't get all the way to the edge without the odd wobble, even at 4x. just my 2 cent's worth. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29AFF.01390FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] OT- RE: CD-R issue

I make audio cd-r's in a philips dual-deck job, and a den= on cd recorder......problems? sometimes I forget to finalize them....

but seriously.

I've made countless dozens of cd-r's of our albums in an = HP drive and in a memorex drive on the pc, 1.7GHz, w98, using cd-architect,= and in a ricoh drive on an i-mac using toast/jam/os9.

I'm estimating that I've had maybe 1/200 coaster ratio, a= nd it's largely irrespective of stock used. cd players that won't read a cd= -r successfully will probably already be concealing errors on "pressed= " cds aswell; cd-r's are a little harder to read for sure, because the= y're basically scorch-marks instead of dents doing the reflecting, but they= were intended to run in the same drives and if they don't, it's usually th= e drive. if the media is faulty, the problem will be apparent in any drive,= in my experience, including the one that burned it.

you'll tend not to get variations in the reflectivity of = the scorches across one disc or even one batch of media, unless there's som= ething badly wrong with your burner

I have a korg d1600 multitrack, with their recommended ya= mahaha 4416 drive fitted. it burns at 4x and fucks up nearly every time, us= ing unbranded 80 minute media that works perfectly at 12x in the memorex. d= unno. the errors are usually about 15' in, so I'm guessing some sort of sym= pathetic vibrational effect. after that, they play fine out to 80 minutes.<= /FONT>

if the error's always in the same place, it's the media o= r the burner. if the skips are in a different place (and it may be hard to = tell for sure) then it's the player.

when I get a new load of blank stock, I burn a load of /d= ata/ (jpegs or whatever) onto one or two of them and verify it. large files= are good, because they depend on a greater number of 0's and 1's for their= overall integrity.

I don't know the details of the crc/checksum algorithms, = but I'm assuming that the order of magnitude of error tolerance is going to= be the same for any sort of 0's and 1's one might stuff onto them. even if= you pay $2 apiece for blanks (and in london, they can be had a lot cheaper= than that), you can still afford to make three copies and lock one in a da= rk place.

as for mass-production (i.e. upwards of 10) for sale on w= ebsites/at gigs and so forth, I have some experience here too..... we've ha= d one or two coasters slip the net (as it were...) but not many. the secret= is to do a session and check 1st, 5th, 9th &c&c, and check again i= f you change source files, reboot the pc or switch to a different brand of = stock.

better yet- pay someone else to take the risk. lots of co= mpanies have set up shop that will bang out 10 or 1000 cd-r's for you, on m= aintained duplicators and using trusted stock. the extra cost is minimal an= d they'll do all sorts of other stuff like proper on-body printing &c. = relatively small businesses like this can't afford to make mistakes, so the= y tend to be quite thorough in researching the best burners, burn-speed and= (of course) the stock itself. upwards of 3-400, though, it becomes reasona= ble to do a glass-master/pressing.

as for the 80 minute cd in a regular player- I've had exa= ctly the same problem in my ancient marantz (now totally retired) and a top= -of-the-range quad unit, with /pressed/ cd's exceeding the original morita-= san-wants-a-whole-symphony-on-this-damn-thing spec.

(philips were going to make the thing 14 bit, 60 minutes = and 5", until the patron saint of walkthings intervened).
the issue is jitter/error correction of same. towards th= e outer edge of the disc, it's harder to extract 0's and 1's as accurately = as in the centre, even though the rotation slows down, mainly because there= 's more vertical play in the mechanism and it throws the focus of the beam.= I used to combat this effect in a non-jog-proof portable by tilting it, an= d you may find the same thing helps with larger machines, inconvenience asi= de.

if only it was just a laser.... I don't know why exactly,= but I'm sure it's out there somewhere on "how stuff works".... b= ut there's a little plastic lens glued on top of the laser diode. aswell as= the diode itself aging and dimming, the plastic lens crazes and goes cloud= y just like any other transparent plastic. also, the pickup device will get= less sensitive. bearings and slides in the mechanism will wear and get pla= y in them. the main rotor bearing, just like on a turntable or tape deck, w= ill start to wobble. best thing the manufacturer can do is put a load of ra= m in there and hope that the checksums are within limits. otherwise the box= has to start inventing audio..... and the same checks apply to writers- th= ey're all readers too.

80 minute discs are outside of the original spec but are = tolerated/allowed because modern players have more ram and can have a few g= oes at reading each bit. it won't help much if the bit isn't there to start= with, and my experiences with the 80min discs I'm using at the moment woul= d suggest that the HP, ricoh and memorex drives are fine with it, at up to = 12x, but the yamahaha just can't get all the way to the edge without the od= d wobble, even at 4x.

just my 2 cent's worth.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29AFF.01390FD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 14:21:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18090; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:16:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:16:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: cd release party live MP3 !!! Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:16:22 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: cd release party live MP3 !!! Thread-Index: AcKa/la1Fo/JgduKRe6W8XQCiXnRdgAAUPtw From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2002 19:16:23.0126 (UTC) FILETIME=[77C15760:01C29B00] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA18069 Resent-Message-ID: <8yBmcC.A.kaE.IMQ79@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, thanks for the kind comments. I do appreciate you taking a listen!! Well, I do plan on doing some short Cd-r runs of the entire concert. I have about 4 or 5 entire concerts recorded on my recorders, but have not transfreed them, another project for another time I guess. well, thanks again and yes playing with loops live is the best!! I have a hard time playing without any looping these days. thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com --- "Taaffe, Denis G" wrote: > http://www.dtguitar.com/vertigonov26.mp3 > > If you take a listen, let me know what you think, would be appreciated. Very nice work. I've heard major label CDs that I didn't like as much. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 14:31:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19614; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:30:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:30:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DECE0E7.14E1A3F2@zerocrossing.net> References: <462E05C6-06DD-11D7-A2B8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <3DECE0E7.14E1A3F2@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:28:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: CD-R's and CD player recommendations/Scott Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had different kinds of problems with CD'R's, and , indeed with regular CD's as well. Sometimes they skip and don;t play at all, and sometimes, (even more annoying) the disks would start to sound like they had an extra percussionist with very bad time presumably the player was encountering errors and almost recovering from them. This would usually not happen until part way through the disk. I had the happen on a JVC CD player, first with CD-R's and eventually with all CD's. I replaced it with a Technics SL-PD9 changer, which has the same problem on some CD-R's, and on one purchased (perhaps manufactured as a CDR) CD. I'm looking to replace the technics with a changer that is more robust in playing CD-R's and hopefully more convenient to use. Recommendations? Scott, which Sony do you have and how do you like it. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 14:50:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20975; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:49:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:49:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.92.20.47] From: "R Ferguson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: BBE Sonic Maximizer Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 14:48:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2002 19:48:55.0005 (UTC) FILETIME=[032A70D0:01C29B05] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a 362 in my guitar rig and I can't even play with the thing off anymore, it really does bring out all the personality and life of your instrument and after about 10-15 minutes of fiddling with it, my guitar sound was suddenly the best it's ever been.. >>It's not an EQ device like the exciter type modules, rather >>it >>"corrects" the phase distortions that occur from sending any >>signal >>through an amp and speakers. I play a digital piano and >>hearing those >>inner voices is very important to the style that I >>value. This 482 has >>done a minor miracle in clarifying the mix for >>me. Damn, now I have to >>play more accurately! I would reccommend putting it before any delay or reverb in you chain as time related effects mess with the bbe 'process' a bit.. >>Usually it is the last processor in your signal chain, coming after >>any >>EQ or compression. It requires a line level input and so can be >> >>inserted in your effects loop from your guitar amp. I'd be curious to >> >>hear what other people's experiences are with this unit, I'm pretty >> >>impressed by what I'm hearing so far in my own studio. you should hear what it does to a really heavy distortion... unbelievable.. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 14:53:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21168; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:51:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:51:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DECFD49.73494B68@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 11:51:54 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: BBE sonic maximizer References: <20021203173037.74050.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh... I find this a little hard to believe. How could it possibly know what the correct signal should be like? I imagine that phase distortion can vary wildly from device to device and are very complex. Sounds like pseudo science (see: Marketing) to me. What if you put it all through your cables running in the wrong direction? What I imagine the BBE sonic maximizer is doing is adding small amounts of eq boost to certain frequencies when they already exist at some defined level. Am I wrong? Mark Sottilaro S V G wrote: > It's not an EQ device like the exciter type modules, rather it "corrects" the phase > distortions that occur from sending any signal through an amp and speakers. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 14:55:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21455; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:54:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:54:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DECFE0A.A8541D4D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 11:55:07 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD-R's References: <462E05C6-06DD-11D7-A2B8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <3DECE0E7.14E1A3F2@zerocrossing.net> <00e301c29af0$b1f5cde0$db622544@cc700328b> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Huh. I've still got the first CD player I ever owned. I little Panasonic boom box. Works fine but it's aux input is sketchy. My second CD player, a JVC carousel model purchased in 92 also seems to work fine. I use them quite a lot too. I wonder if some brands are better than others. Mark David Beardsley wrote: > A skipping cd is the first sign of the end for a cd player. I've > lost count of how many cd players have died on me over the past > 12-13 years. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 15:19:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24189; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:14:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:14:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1038946479!45000 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA997@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: OT: BBE sonic maximizer Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:08:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29B07.CABAEEC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29B07.CABAEEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Uh... I find this a little hard to believe. How could it possibly know what the correct signal should be like? I imagine that phase distortion can vary wildly from device to device and are very complex. Sounds like pseudo science (see: Marketing) to me. What if you put it all through your cables running in the wrong direction? What I imagine the BBE sonic maximizer is doing is adding small amounts of eq boost to certain frequencies when they already exist at some defined level. Am I wrong?<< it has got a little bit of science inside it, and the results are convincing enough that many "top" studios swear by the things. I fixed one once, and there wasn't much inside it, but essentially what they do is the electrical equivalent of phase-aligning your tweeter and woofer, so that a transient sound, such as a single note or beat, has all it's vital components rendered simultaneously instead of as a vague mushy general pushing-of-air-in-the-direction-of-the-listener. that's the theory. in practice (and while I have the greatest of respect for barcus berry and his chaps), I'm fairly sure that all that goes on (useful though it is) is a general reversal of the group-delay introduced by reactive components (decoupling capacitors &c) elsewhere in the signal path. this group delay puts high and low frequency components of the same sound out of step with each other, so that the waveform of a complex signal would be visibly distorted.... a snare drum, for instance, has a low frequency thump and a burst of almost-white noise. if these don't emerge from a loudspeaker with the same timing relative to one another as they did in real life, you have that classic market-speak "loss of detail" or, in other words, your complex waveform has undergone a frequency-dependent phase shift sufficient to diminish it's impact. to some extent or other, the same effect is apparent on almost all musical waveforms. I'd exclude the flute and certain woodwinds..... :-) the reversal is adjusted by the user (is there a fully automatic one? it would, as mark suggests, be in need of some intelligence....) until it sounds like fog clearing; I know, I've tried it and it does seem to work, but assumes an average group delay for the entire signal. or you buy lots of them, one for each channel of y'r multitrack. there's usually some eq with the box too, but the effect is apparent with everything flat. I never put a 'scope on one though but. I'm just saying..... duncan/r.m.i. (can you tell I'm working late?) *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29B07.CABAEEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: OT: BBE sonic maximizer

>>Uh... I find this a little hard to believe. = How could it possibly know what the correct signal
should be like?  I imagine that phase distortion ca= n vary wildly from device to device and are very
complex.  Sounds like pseudo science (see: Marketin= g) to me.  What if you put it all through your
cables running in the wrong direction?  What I imag= ine the BBE sonic maximizer is doing is adding
small amounts of eq boost to certain frequencies when th= ey already exist at some defined level.  Am I
wrong?<<

it has got a little bit of science inside it, and the res= ults are convincing enough that many "top" studios swear by the t= hings. I fixed one once, and there wasn't much inside it, but essentially w= hat they do is the electrical equivalent of phase-aligning your tweeter and= woofer, so that a transient sound, such as a single note or beat, has all = it's vital components rendered simultaneously instead of as a vague mushy g= eneral pushing-of-air-in-the-direction-of-the-listener.

that's the theory.

in practice (and while I have the greatest of respect for= barcus berry and his chaps), I'm fairly sure that all that goes on (useful= though it is) is a general reversal of the group-delay introduced by react= ive components (decoupling capacitors &c) elsewhere in the signal path.= this group delay puts high and low frequency components of the same sound = out of step with each other, so that the waveform of a complex signal would= be visibly distorted....

a snare drum, for instance, has a low frequency thump and= a burst of almost-white noise. if these don't emerge from a loudspeaker wi= th the same timing relative to one another as they did in real life, you ha= ve that classic market-speak "loss of detail" or, in other words,= your complex waveform has undergone a frequency-dependent phase shift suff= icient to diminish it's impact. to some extent or other, the same effect is= apparent on almost all musical waveforms. I'd exclude the flute and certai= n woodwinds..... :-)

the reversal is adjusted by the user (is there a fully au= tomatic one? it would, as mark suggests, be in need of some intelligence...= .) until it sounds like fog clearing; I know, I've tried it and it does see= m to work, but assumes an average group delay for the entire signal. or you= buy lots of them, one for each channel of y'r multitrack.

there's usually some eq with the box too, but the effect = is apparent with everything flat. I never put a 'scope on one though but. I= 'm just saying.....

duncan/r.m.i. (can you tell I'm working late?)



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29B07.CABAEEC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 15:34:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25656; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:30:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:30:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021203203051.6609.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:30:51 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: OT: BBE sonic maximizer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3DECFD49.73494B68@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As I recall, the BBE device brightens the sound by adding frequency-based time/phase adjustment. Now, to call that adjustment "correction" may be a bit far fetched, since it's my guess that it's a static algorithm. Greg --- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Uh... I find this a little hard to believe. How could it possibly know what > the correct signal > should be like? I imagine that phase distortion can vary wildly from device to > device and are very > complex. Sounds like pseudo science (see: Marketing) to me. What if you put > it all through your > cables running in the wrong direction? What I imagine the BBE sonic maximizer > is doing is adding > small amounts of eq boost to certain frequencies when they already exist at > some defined level. Am I > wrong? > > Mark Sottilaro > > S V G wrote: > > > It's not an EQ device like the exciter type modules, rather it > "corrects" the phase > > distortions that occur from sending any signal through an amp and speakers. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 15:39:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26234; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:36:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:36:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021203203646.44195.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:36:46 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: CD-R's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3DECFE0A.A8541D4D@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7yRGiB.A.0ZG.fXR79@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Me too...well, mostly. Mine is a RatShack portable which I purchased used from someone I used to work with. It was an early one, probably 10 years old when I got it and I've had it for like 8 years. It's half screwed up now, the line out jack is broken, and it won't play -some- CDs. Strangely enough, it doesn't seem to differentiate between CDs and CD-Rs in the inability to play them. It will consistantly play the live CD-Rs my friend burns me of his band, yet it won't play a copy of "The Essential Fripp & Eno" (even though it's in good condition and plays in all my other CD players). Greg --- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Huh. I've still got the first CD player I ever owned. I little Panasonic boom > box. Works fine but it's aux input is sketchy. My second CD player, a JVC > carousel model purchased in 92 also seems to work fine. I use them quite a lot > too. I wonder if some brands are better than others. > > Mark > > David Beardsley wrote: > > > A skipping cd is the first sign of the end for a cd player. I've > > lost count of how many cd players have died on me over the past > > 12-13 years. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 15:44:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26164; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:36:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:36:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DED1537.54C741FE@ubuibi.org> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 12:34:00 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD-R's References: <462E05C6-06DD-11D7-A2B8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------51F416EF433F862B0BAC5DFA" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------51F416EF433F862B0BAC5DFA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > It is ironic that all of these DMCA/RIAA laws that are coming into > place are actually hurting the people who are meant to be protected by > these laws. > > Oh wait, sorry, its only signed artists who have sold their soul to the > RIAA who are meant to be covered. 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It is ironic that all of these DMCA/RIAA laws that are coming into
place are actually hurting the people who are meant to be protected by
these laws.

Oh wait, sorry, its only signed artists who have sold their soul to the
RIAA who are meant to be covered. I forgot. Silly me....
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3 Dec 2002 15:42:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <4c.154ad53b.2b1e70f7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:41:27 EST Subject: Re: CD-R's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <08BNFB.A.BmG.jcR79@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I always understood that when burning CDs for audio it's better to burn at 1x, or 2x. Which gives the laser more time on each hole. Also to use a burner unsuitable for CD-RWs. (hard to get nowadays) is said to improve the audio compatibility of your product. (different lasers) Also, its often possible to "repair" a skipping Cd player by cleaning the laser lens. A light wipe with a cotton bud can do the trick, (or those special CDs with the brush if you're not a screwdriver junky, though I don't really trust 'em) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 15:54:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28097; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:50:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:50:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12b.1c65a4f1.2b1e72d6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:49:26 EST Subject: Re: OT: BBE sonic maximizer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12b.1c65a4f1.2b1e72d6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12b.1c65a4f1.2b1e72d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/3/02 12:31:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, vsyevolod@yahoo.com writes: > I'd be curious to hear what other people's experiences are with this unit so would i.....the reviews on harmony central have been glowing, ive never seen so many 10's.....always looking for cheap ways to sweeten the mix.....michael --part1_12b.1c65a4f1.2b1e72d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/3/02 12:31:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, vsyevolod@yahoo.com writes:


I'd be curious to hear what other people's experiences are with this unit


so would i.....the reviews on harmony central have been glowing, ive never seen so many 10's.....always looking for cheap ways to sweeten the mix.....michael
--part1_12b.1c65a4f1.2b1e72d6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 15:55:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28179; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:51:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:51:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:50:48 -0500 Subject: Re: OT: BBE sonic maximizer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DECFD49.73494B68@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've been told that exciters actually delay certain frequency areas to make them more or less phase coherent for effect.. . On Tuesday, December 3, 2002, at 01:51 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Uh... I find this a little hard to believe. How could it possibly > know what the correct signal > should be like? I imagine that phase distortion can vary wildly from > device to device and are very > complex. Sounds like pseudo science (see: Marketing) to me. What if > you put it all through your > cables running in the wrong direction? What I imagine the BBE sonic > maximizer is doing is adding > small amounts of eq boost to certain frequencies when they already > exist at some defined level. Am I > wrong? > > Mark Sottilaro > > S V G wrote: > >> It's not an EQ device like the exciter type modules, rather >> it "corrects" the phase >> distortions that occur from sending any signal through an amp and >> speakers. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 16:00:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28223; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:51:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:51:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009101c29b0d$acb57b10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20021203173037.74050.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> <3DECFD49.73494B68@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: OT: BBE sonic maximizer Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:50:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Uh... I find this a little hard to believe. How could it possibly know what the correct signal > should be like? I imagine that phase distortion can vary wildly from device to device and are very > complex. Sounds like pseudo science (see: Marketing) to me. What if you put it all through your > cables running in the wrong direction? What I imagine the BBE sonic maximizer is doing is adding > small amounts of eq boost to certain frequencies when they already exist at some defined level. Am I > wrong? Nope, I agree with you. I think "correcting the phase" sounds like marketing-talk to me. Especially based on my understanding of what the BBE Maximizer does, which is that it uses a dynamic EQ-ing process. I imagine it's a lot easier to sell by saying it "corrects the phase" rather than "alters the input's phase and frequency". I *like* the BBE Sonic Maximizer but I don't like deceptive marketing-talk. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worlserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 16:15:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31328; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:09:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:09:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <115.1b789de9.2b1e776a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:08:58 EST Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: OT: BBE sonic maximizer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_115.1b789de9.2b1e776a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <4rmL6B.A.apH.M2R79@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_115.1b789de9.2b1e776a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/3/02 3:13:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > duncan/r.m.i. (can you tell I'm working late?) > > duncan.....you can stay up all nite if you keep your very informative posts comin.....thank you for your insites on this as well as the cd-r threads.....michael --part1_115.1b789de9.2b1e776a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/3/02 3:13:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes:


duncan/r.m.i. (can you tell I'm working late?)



duncan.....you can stay up all nite if you keep your very informative posts comin.....thank you for your insites on this as well as the cd-r threads.....michael
--part1_115.1b789de9.2b1e776a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 16:16:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31757; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:14:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:14:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021203211422.24732.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:14:22 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: OT: BBE sonic maximizer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "mr.monk" wrote: > i've been told that exciters actually delay certain frequency areas to > make them more or less phase coherent for effect.. Not ALL exciters. The Aphex uses a circuit that generates distortion to add higher harmonics to the original signal. So in that case, it's making something that wasn't there to start with. The BBE does frequency dependant shifting to achieve a similar result, but it won't add what's not there to start with. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 16:30:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32098; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:17:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:17:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021203211719.13438.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:17:19 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: CD-R's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4c.154ad53b.2b1e70f7@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy thank you brother i was about to ask this question and you´ve answered it! cheers L.a > I always understood that when burning CDs > for audio it's better to burn at 1x, or 2x. > Which gives the laser more time on each hole. > > Also to use a burner unsuitable for CD-RWs. > (hard to get nowadays) is said to improve the > audio compatibility of your product. > (different lasers) > > > Also, its often possible to "repair" a skipping Cd > player > by cleaning the laser lens. > A light wipe with a cotton bud can do the trick, > (or those special CDs with the brush if you're not > a screwdriver junky, though I don't really trust > 'em) > > > andy butler > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 17:36:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07110; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:33:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:33:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:32:04 EST Subject: Re: CD-R's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/3/02 11:17:06 AM, loopers-delight@solostring.com writes: << I'm almost certain its the CDR's. When I switch brands, or use a more expensive brand of CDR (i.e. Kodak Gold), there is no problem. I use Toast Titanium for OSX, and burn under the 'audio CD' setting, so it should be ok. >> I've had good luck - if I remember correctly, 2 bad ones in the last 500 - with Mitsui brand and burninig with Jam. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 18:05:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10279; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:03:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:03:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: new CD available at guitar9 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:03:45 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [vsbiglist] Re: OT: Bob Moog, Keith Emerson On BBC Thread-Index: AcKbBTqsty8sF1IKS/+8JdESCUTBvQAGcrqg From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "VS Big List" Cc: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2002 23:03:45.0677 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B596BD0:01C29B20] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA10256 Resent-Message-ID: <5W0fQB.A.hgC.VhT79@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, just wanted to let you know, my CD Modern rock guitar.vol.III is now available for purchase at : http://www.guitar9.com/modernrockguitarvol3.html for $10.00 I think. Well, its 11 instrumental tracks recorded on 2 vs880's and it is a live studio recording. hey if you pick one up let me know 8-) thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 19:40:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18481; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:29:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:29:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:32:22 -0500 Subject: looping publicity From: Daniel Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3121788742_104243_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3121788742_104243_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yay-- It's my first bit of print publicity since I've been doing loop-based/ solo bass music. http://www.performermag.com/nepfeature1.shtml I was quite excited and wanted to share with y'all. Dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net --MS_Mac_OE_3121788742_104243_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable looping publicity Yay--

It's my first bit of print publicity since I've been doing loop-based/ solo= bass music.

http://www.performermag.com/nepfeature1.shtml


I was quite excited and wanted to share with y'all.


Dan


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--MS_Mac_OE_3121788742_104243_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 19:40:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17964; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:21:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:21:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:35:59 -0800 Message-Id: <200212031635.AA113574014@lanes.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "mark penner" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater needed please... X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do a search on google for electrix repeater for sale and you should find a posting on some DJ site for a repeater for sale by a guy named DJ CRUZ. I think the price in the original ad was for $400 but I emailed him and now he wants $600USD. He still has it though. Mark ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Amleto" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:05:56 +0100 >Hy to all, >I need an electrix Repeater, if someone know from where or from who i can >get one please tell me... >Sometimes people who don't want to wait loose use of mouth and don't >speak... >Ciao... >Sergio > > ____________________________________________________________ Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 22:39:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03260; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:38:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:38:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Studio sale : looping/recording stuff Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:38:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1C7041B8F9E88F4BA1F23A63FC0CDACD070809@engin-mail1.engin.umich.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Studio sale : looping/recording stuff Thread-Index: AcKbRzqyvlkjdq5zTzysXgyot20gKQ== From: "Clark, Darcy" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA03239 Resent-Message-ID: <67P3vB.A.2y.-iX79@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm going through a transition towards a more software-oriented recording environment and need to sell a bunch of hardware. All of it is very good to mint condition - never gigged, never left my home studio etc... I'll be putting whatever doesn't succumb to your collective GAS (gear acquisition syndrome) up on eBay in a week or so, so contact me quickly at darcyc@engin.umich.edu to avoid wrangling with the unwashed hordes on eBay. I'd prefer PayPal payment - shipping to be added to the costs listed below. For what it's worth, you can check my eBay feedback ratings using my email address as the user id. Cheers ! ---------------------------------- loopers $700.00 Repeater with FS300, manual, original box + 2 CF cards (8MB + 16MB) $190.00 Line6 DL-4 w/ Power supply, manual, original box processors $90.00 Johnson J-station amp modeller, manual original box $110.00 Boss gx-700, power supply, manual, original box recording $200.00 Mackie 1202-vlz mixer $125.00 echo gina 20-bit digital audio PCI card + breakout box (PC/Mac) $120.00 dbx 286a mic preamp/processor $300.00 mac beige G3/233MHz Desktop, 384MB Ram, SCSI, USB, 16GB HD, keyboard, mouse other stuff $180.00 Premiere 6.0 (Full Version - Win) + DV200 firewire interface + software $120.00 belkin Omni Cube 4-port KVM, PC & Mac cables, Mac ADB converter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 23:02:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05625; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:01:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:01:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 23:04:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater needed please... From: Daniel Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00dc01c29aab$315f27c0$b8f0abd4@tin.it> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3121801476_30526_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3121801476_30526_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sergio-- You can try a guy named Vince, at Pro Audio in Watertown, Massachusetts-- he usually has a couple Repeaters around, and he does a cool modification on them that makes them quieter. His telephone number at work is: 617-926-8020. Good luck, Dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net on 12/3/02 4:05 AM, Amleto at tosleeptodienomore@supereva.it wrote: Hy to all, I need an electrix Repeater, if someone know from where or from who i can get one please tell me... Sometimes people who don't want to wait loose use of mouth and don't speak... Ciao... Sergio --MS_Mac_OE_3121801476_30526_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Electrix Repeater needed please... Sergio--

You can try a guy named Vince, at Pro Audio in Watertown, Massachusetts-- h= e usually has a couple Repeaters around, and he does a cool modification on = them that makes them quieter. His telephone number at work is: 617-926-8020.=

Good luck,

Dan


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on 12/3/02 4:05 AM, Amleto at tosleeptodienomore@supereva.it wrote:

Hy to all,
I need an electrix Repeater, if someone know from where or from who i can get one please tell me...
Sometimes people who don't want to wait loose use of mouth and don't
speak...
Ciao...
Sergio


--MS_Mac_OE_3121801476_30526_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 23:14:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06459; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:13:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:13:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c29b4b$471360e0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater needed please... Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:11:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C29B08.2F376B80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C29B08.2F376B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Electrix Repeater needed please...I'll be the first to ask: What's the mod? :) Cliff ----- -- he usually has a couple Repeaters around, and he does a cool = modification on them that makes them quieter. His telephone number at = work is: 617-926-8020.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C29B08.2F376B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Electrix Repeater needed please...
I'll be the first to ask:
What's the mod?
:)
Cliff
----- -- he usually has a couple = Repeaters=20 around, and he does a cool modification on them that makes them = quieter. His=20 telephone number at work is: 617-926-8020. =
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C29B08.2F376B80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 3 23:32:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07687; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:29:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:29:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 23:32:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater needed please... From: Daniel Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c29b4b$471360e0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3121803134_130264_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <84LTNB.A.B4B.cSY79@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3121803134_130264_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit You'd have to ask Vince-- I don't know the details-- but I think it has something to do with the power supply. I'm sure he'd explain if you called him. d on 12/3/02 11:11 PM, Clifford Novey at om@om-studios.com wrote: I'll be the first to ask: What's the mod? :) Cliff ----- -- he usually has a couple Repeaters around, and he does a cool modification on them that makes them quieter. His telephone number at work is: 617-926-8020. --MS_Mac_OE_3121803134_130264_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Electrix Repeater needed please... You'd have to ask Vince-- I don't know the details-- but I think it has som= ething to do with the power supply. I'm sure he'd explain if you called him.=

d

on 12/3/02 11:11 PM, Clifford Novey at om@om-studios.com wrote:

I'll be the first to ask:
What's the mod?
:)
Cliff
----- -- he usually has a couple Repeaters around, and h= e does a cool modification on them that makes them quieter. His telephone nu= mber at work is: 617-926-8020.


--MS_Mac_OE_3121803134_130264_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 02:56:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23180; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:55:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:55:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:55:22 +0100 Subject: Re: CD-R's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: <-FHXKB.A.GqF.KUb79@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've had good luck - if I remember correctly, 2 bad ones in the last > 500 - > with Mitsui brand and burninig with Jam. > During last summer, I think that I must have burned about 1200 CD's in total, and only 2 or 3 actually failed during the burning process. When I fist started buying the brand of CD's (Imitation branded), they worked flawlessly on every system I tested them on, thus I went ahead in full steam mode, producing CD after CD. Sometime towards the end of the summer, after selling close on to a 1000 of them, either someone else started making the Imitation branded CD's, or they changed their manufacturing methods, or they added an audio incompatibility RIAA thing, and I started seeing problems on various systems. They rarely worked on anything older than 10 years old, and did not work without skipping on computer CD drives (which made me think that it was an RIAA trick). They were 80 min CDR's, but they were under 74mins recorded... I have a 24x CD burner, but burned at 12x. Anyway, by just having a few complaints (<10) from people saying that the CD's refused to play, wiped out all confidence that I have with CDR's and being able to sell them to the general public... :( -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 02:59:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23344; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:58:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:58:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:57:41 +0100 Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater needed please... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1052202A-075E-11D7-A825-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd be *VERY* interested to hear more about this mod. [Eagerly awaits for someone to create an idiot proof guide] On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 05:32 AM, Daniel Soltzberg wrote: > You'd have to ask Vince-- I don't know the details-- but I think it > has something to do with the power supply. I'm sure he'd explain if > you called him. > -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 03:09:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25042; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:08:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:08:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:45:20 +0100 Subject: Re: CD-R's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <4c.154ad53b.2b1e70f7@aol.com> Message-Id: <56DFD714-075C-11D7-A825-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, December 3, 2002, at 09:41 PM, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > Also, its often possible to "repair" a skipping Cd player > by cleaning the laser lens. My current main Hifi was free from a friend. He was going to throw it out due to the CD player not working. I rescued the system, took it apart and gently cleaned the lens (the dust inside was incredible), put it back together again and et voila... a good as new hifi. -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 04:44:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30467; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 04:42:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 04:42:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c29b79$ca14bce0$8a444ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: looping publicity Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:44:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com that's a very good write up, Dan... and what's more, they mention flying saucer attack!! Not a name I've heard for quite a while (an ex-girlfriend of mine's sister is/was in the band) good stuff! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Soltzberg" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:32 AM Subject: looping publicity > Yay-- > > It's my first bit of print publicity since I've been doing loop-based/ solo > bass music. > > http://www.performermag.com/nepfeature1.shtml > > > I was quite excited and wanted to share with y'all. > > > Dan > > > -- > ghost 7/ Oranje > http://envelopeproductions.com > d.ans@verizon.net > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 08:03:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12938; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:59:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:59:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:57:38 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: New @ mp3.com: Ataraxia To: MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Message-id: <00ed01c29b94$b926fb80$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9Vt4x52QSq5kDE1JQdh22A)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_9Vt4x52QSq5kDE1JQdh22A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT New @ mp3.com: Ataraxia http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/200/david_beardsley1.html Recorded Labor Day Weekend - Sept. 2000, Gainsville, Fl. David Beardsley (ebow lap steel guitar, loops) and Patrick Pagano (violin, loops) in 17-limit Just Intonation. This was our backing track for our performance at the American Festival of Microtonal Music, NYC, November 11, 2000. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley --Boundary_(ID_9Vt4x52QSq5kDE1JQdh22A) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
New @ mp3.com: Ataraxia

http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/200/david_beardsley1.html

Recorded Labor Day Weekend - Sept. 2000, Gainsville, Fl.
David Beardsley (ebow lap steel guitar, loops) and Patrick
Pagano (violin, loops) in 17-limit Just Intonation. This was
our backing track for our performance at the American Festival
of Microtonal Music, NYC, November 11, 2000.

--Boundary_(ID_9Vt4x52QSq5kDE1JQdh22A)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 08:13:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13844; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:12:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:12:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039007524!1698 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA99D@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [looper's] RE: OT: BBE sonic maximizer Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:06:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29B95.EB791A90" Resent-Message-ID: <5LLtsB.A.OYD.98f79@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29B95.EB791A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> thank you for your insites on this as well as the cd-r threads.....michael << cheers, though I feel I might be a bit wordy sometimes.... I need to work on my verbosity. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29B95.EB791A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
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cheers, though I feel I might be a bit wordy sometimes.... I need to work on my verbosity.
 
d. 


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29B95.EB791A90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 10:15:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23339; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:12:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:12:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:04:46 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: (ot) CD-R's/ CD player recommendations/Scott Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (to emile, et al...) i will say that i'm not the person to ask for rec's on equipment. my sony cd player (5 disc player) was a "cheapy" model i got at local best buy 2 yrs ago when my first cd player bit the dust. i think it cost 50$. it's been ok player, but i don't think it's great by any stretch, and i think it will probably die in the next yr or so. i wish i would have bought one of those 70/80 disc cd things, so i can load up most of my discs and be done w/ it-finding that other users in loading and unloading discs and they get a bit "man-handled", not good for the discs. i can say that i'm the only one who touches my loop cd collection, and i baby those things... s--- >I've had different kinds of problems with CD'R's, and , indeed with >regular CD's as well. Sometimes they skip and don;t play at all, and >sometimes, (even more annoying) the disks would start to sound like >they had an extra percussionist with very bad time presumably the >player was encountering errors and almost recovering from them. This >would usually not happen until part way through the disk. > >I had the happen on a JVC CD player, first with CD-R's and >eventually with all CD's. I replaced it with a Technics SL-PD9 >changer, which has the same problem on some CD-R's, and on one >purchased (perhaps manufactured as a CDR) CD. > >I'm looking to replace the technics with a changer that is more >robust in playing CD-R's and hopefully more convenient to use. >Recommendations? Scott, which Sony do you have and how do you like >it. > >Thanks. -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 10:27:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24099; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:26:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:26:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0 Sender: hans@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <3DEE1E53.13AE2D75@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:25:07 -0800 From: Engineering Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD-Rs References: <200212040402.XAA05813@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I attended a panel discussion on archiving strategies at the TapeOp conference last spring, and the fellow from Emtec (sorry, I forgot his name) lent some insight into producing good CD-Rs. He said that it was indeed best to burn at 1x or 2x (preferrably 1x), but only if you are using media which is intended for that burn speed. Apparently, they use a thinner layer of organic dye on media rated for higher speeds, so if you burn at slower speeds the laser will burn too large of a hole. Of course, this was for producing a master CD-R suitable for archive. For mass-production, you're probably going to want to just burn them at high speed. Blank CD-Rs rated for 1x or 2x are more difficult to find these days, and they probably still cost a couple of bucks each. He also noted that a Sharpie is not the right tool for labeling your media. The solvents in the ink are not kind to the laquer layer that coats the top of the disc, and this can lead to problems down the line. (But I do it anyway). -Hans > > I always understood that when burning CDs > for audio it's better to burn at 1x, or 2x. > Which gives the laser more time on each hole. > > ... > > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 11:13:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28613; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:12:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:12:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021204161144.94951.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:11:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: CD-Rs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3DEE1E53.13AE2D75@ernieball.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Engineering wrote: > [the emtec fellow] also noted that a Sharpie is not > the right tool for labeling your > media. The solvents in the ink are not kind to the > laquer layer that coats the top of the disc, and > this can lead to problems down the line. > (But I do it anyway). Me too. Did the guy from Emtec have any recommendations in lieue of a Sharpie? It's interesting; I have a package of Sharpies right here in front of me, and there's a sticker on the front that says Roxio recommends Sharpies for writing on CDs. Apart from the sticker, the packaging says absolutely nothing about CDs even though the "marks on most everything" blurb attempts to be all-inclusive. Hmmmm.... I've just noticed that on the pen itself there's a statement specifying that it's "not for letter writing"... Damn... -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 11:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29257; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:22:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:22:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:19:47 +0100 Subject: Re: CD-Rs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DEE1E53.13AE2D75@ernieball.com> Message-Id: <34BC8E7C-07A4-11D7-9211-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: <_OykcB.A.DJH.5ui79@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A little OT, but On topic... I received a FedEx package from the Cirque du Soleil this morning containing a backing CD, and sheet music.... They wanted 5 songs recorded and shipped back to them by the end of the week (in other words, I had to rehearse and record them in 4 hours, then print a CD). They sent me their backing CD on CDR and low and behold, my CD player rejected it. Thank god it worked OK on the ibook, else I would have been shafted. I ended up having to use the computer as a CD player, route it into the desk, then record onto minidisc, then bounce back to computer, then to CD.... Bloody knackered :( -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 11:46:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30216; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:37:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:37:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c29bb3$e8c0dcc0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <34BC8E7C-07A4-11D7-9211-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: CD-Rs Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:40:50 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com See, it's not just indies thats got the hurt put on 'em by this situation. What kind of disc is it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 16:19:PM Subject: Re: CD-Rs > A little OT, but On topic... > > I received a FedEx package from the Cirque du Soleil this morning > containing a backing CD, and sheet music.... They wanted 5 songs > recorded and shipped back to them by the end of the week (in other > words, I had to rehearse and record them in 4 hours, then print a CD). > They sent me their backing CD on CDR and low and behold, my CD player > rejected it. Thank god it worked OK on the ibook, else I would have > been shafted. > > I ended up having to use the computer as a CD player, route it into the > desk, then record onto minidisc, then bounce back to computer, then to > CD.... > > Bloody knackered :( > > > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 11:51:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30852; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:48:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:48:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039020301!20531 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9A1@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: CD-Rs/sharpies Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:39:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29BB3.AA24B9A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29BB3.AA24B9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>and this can lead to problems down the line. (But I do it anyway).<< so do I. fuck it. "how long d'ya wanna live, anyway?" I think I've written on cd's with everything apart from biro and pencil. if it rubs off straight away, I don't use it again. if it stays put, it goes in the "writing on cd's" box. magic markers, paint-pens, fibre tips of every denomination.... the edding 780 paint pen is the best, lookswise, but they have a tendency to dribble (this has led to more destroyed stock than burn failures have). we've sold cd albums to people with this black splodge on 'em... 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>>and this can lead to problems down the line. = ; (But I do it anyway).<<

so do I. fuck it. "how long d'ya wanna live, anyway?= "

I think I've written on cd's with everything apart from b= iro and pencil. if it rubs off straight away, I don't use it again. if it s= tays put, it goes in the "writing on cd's" box. magic markers, pa= int-pens, fibre tips of every denomination.... the edding 780 paint pen is = the best, lookswise, but they have a tendency to dribble (this has led to m= ore destroyed stock than burn failures have). we've sold cd albums to peopl= e with this black splodge on 'em...

"archive" and "cd" in the same senten= ce? no. back it up on 1/4" if it's important.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29BB3.AA24B9A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 11:55:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31207; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:52:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:52:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:48:59 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: looping publicity To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DEE31FB.8A90D9A8@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <004101c29b79$ca14bce0$8a444ed5@bigboy> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I really loved your tracks, and had a funny, though all too familiar, experience while listening to it at work. I'm listening to one of the tracks and a high school student that works for our company doing odd jobs comes over to say hello. He looks at my computer and says, "What the FUCK is that?" I said, "The music?" and he said, "No, that sound!" Ha hahaha. He thought it was a sound effect played by the computer when moving elements on the document. (as usual I was in Photoshop) When I confirmed he was talking about a harsh sounding synth sound, I explained to him that it was indeed part of the music, and that I was enjoying it. Don't worry Dan, you're in good company. While playing my own music I often get, "Is it supposed to be making that sound?" Mark Sottilaro Steve Lawson wrote: > that's a very good write up, Dan... and what's more, they mention flying > saucer attack!! Not a name I've heard for quite a while (an ex-girlfriend of > mine's sister is/was in the band) > > good stuff! > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Soltzberg" > To: "Loopers Delight" > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:32 AM > Subject: looping publicity > > > Yay-- > > > > It's my first bit of print publicity since I've been doing loop-based/ > solo > > bass music. > > > > http://www.performermag.com/nepfeature1.shtml > > > > > > I was quite excited and wanted to share with y'all. > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > -- > > ghost 7/ Oranje > > http://envelopeproductions.com > > d.ans@verizon.net > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 12:27:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02186; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:25:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:25:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021204172543.84532.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:25:43 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: looping publicity To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Daniel Soltzberg wrote: > It's my first bit of print publicity since I've been doing loop-based/ solo > bass music. > > http://www.performermag.com/nepfeature1.shtml > > I was quite excited and wanted to share with y'all. Really nice writeup, Dan. Congratulations! Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 12:29:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02465; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:27:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:27:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021204172756.72310.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:27:56 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater needed please... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1l4OI.A.bm.esj79@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Daniel Soltzberg wrote: > You can try a guy named Vince, at Pro Audio in Watertown, Massachusetts-- he > usually has a couple Repeaters around, and he does a cool modification on > them that makes them quieter. Any chance we could get some details on this modification? Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 12:44:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03396; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:42:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:42:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:44:47 -0800 Subject: Update on Looping Hardware From: Ernie Mansfield To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200212041655.LAA31427@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings! Since I am a relative newbie to this group, I'd like to get an update on the latest hardware considered as "really great" for live looping, and other performance effects. I have been to the "Looper's Delight" pages, but it seems that the reviews are a few years old. Can someone update me on this? Or at least refer me to any reference pages? Specifically I am looking for hardware that would be low-noise, full frequency range, as I am working with acoustic instruments and microphones. Thanks! -- Ernie Mansfield Mansfield Music -- http://www.mansfieldmusic.com ernie@mansfieldmusic.com -- Hear my music at: http://www.mp3.com/erniemansfield From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 13:01:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06019; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:59:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:59:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.31050642.2b1f9c13@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:57:39 EST Subject: Re: looping publicity To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA05998 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Daniel, RE: http://www.performermag.com/nepfeature1.shtml Very nice. I liked both pieces very much. You get a lot of mileage out of your setup. Cool! I especially liked the start/stop parts of "By Satellite." I need to try doing that sometime. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 13:59:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11657; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:55:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:55:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: looping publicity Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:55:50 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: looping publicity Thread-Index: AcKbum12+PUyc2cKT4ibZiDacNRw3gADDJmQ From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2002 18:55:51.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3F3F450:01C29BC6] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA11636 Resent-Message-ID: <6lnG_D.A.D2C.4-k79@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dan, hey very cool!! keep at it!! If you send your stuff out, you are boudn to get more reviews!!! Denis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 14:07:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14111; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:01:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:01:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c29bc8$0a85caa0$6ae0fe9e@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: Subject: Re: Laptop Looping via MAX/MSP Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:04:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lou, At the bottom of this page there are several links to max/msp resellers. http://www.cycling74.com/acquire/index.html A couple of others www.midi-classics.com and www.musiciansfriend.com carry cycling 74 software. Like Eric said I'd also recommend downloading the 30 day demo. In four weeks you'll know if it's what your looking for or not. Rick > Hi folks, > > Does anyone else on the list use this? Can you > only get the program from Cycling 74' direct as I have not seen it for sale > here in NYC? > > Thanks > Lou From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 14:27:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16492; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:24:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:24:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:05:23 +0100 Subject: Re: Update on Looping Hardware Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <57465D84-07BB-11D7-B8BE-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 06:44 PM, Ernie Mansfield wrote: > Specifically I am looking for hardware that would be low-noise, full > frequency range, as I am working with acoustic instruments and > microphones. Welcome to the list :) The information on LD is a little old, but that is because there has not been a lot of hugely new developments in looping equipment over the past couple of years. The last piece of dedicated kit designed for the average budget was the now defunct Electrix Repeater. If you can afford it, try getting both an EDP and a Repeater. I have the latter, but wish for the former as well. The two from what I have heard work in beautiful harmony together. At the moment, the only other option for pro live looping is the Kyma system, but it falls out of most people's budget at about $3500 for the basic setup, plus another $300 for the looping software. If money is no object, then I'd seriously search the LD archives for more info about the Kyma and Dennis' software. At the lower end of the market, check out the Line6 DL4 - I have used it with microphones, and have performed most of my music using a single DL4 pedal. It seems to have a good frequency range, and is noiseless - especially when run on batteries (30 hours use on a good set of alkalines).... Thats my 0.2cents. I'm sure that I've missed something, and other people will have other ideas.... (dont flame me guys) :) Good luck. -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 14:31:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17104; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:29:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:29:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20021204161144.94951.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: CD-Rs Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:31:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2002 19:29:19.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[70EFB820:01C29BCB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > --- Engineering wrote: > > [the emtec fellow] also noted that a Sharpie is not > > the right tool for labeling your > > media. The solvents in the ink are not kind to the > > laquer layer that coats the top of the disc, and > > this can lead to problems down the line. > > (But I do it anyway). > Did the guy from Emtec have any recommendations in > lieue of a Sharpie? I've read the same thing, although I think its probably half marketing talk, and half truth. http://accaproducts.com/1506.html Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 14:45:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18178; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:44:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:44:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0 Sender: hans@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <3DEE5AF0.B3A05EE2@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:43:44 -0800 From: Engineering Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #829 References: <200212041655.LAA31429@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That was Steve Albini's take on archiving at the same conference - his opinion is that magnetic tape and vinyl records are the only valid archiving methods, since any digital storage medium will be obsolete and unreadable within a few years, but that if necessary you can make a pickup that will read a magnetic tape or vinyl records very easily. However, if you're working in a digital medium and you wish to archive your data, I think it makes sense to keep a digital copy. A production CD would probably be a much better archival copy than a CD-R. -Hans > "archive" and "cd" in the same sentence? no. back it up on 1/4" if > it's important. > > duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 14:55:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18954; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:54:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:54:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <175.12cbd2ea.2b1fb764@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:54:12 EST Subject: archiving methods To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_175.12cbd2ea.2b1fb764_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_175.12cbd2ea.2b1fb764_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/4/02 2:48:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, hans@ernieball.com writes: > his > opinion is that magnetic tape and vinyl records are the only valid > archiving methods, so you mean that i dont have to change all of my cassettes into cds, leave well enuf alone?.....if this is indeed true, i am a happy buckaro......michael --part1_175.12cbd2ea.2b1fb764_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/4/02 2:48:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, hans@ernieball.com writes:


his
opinion is that magnetic tape and vinyl records are the only valid
archiving methods,


so you mean that i dont have to change all of my cassettes into cds, leave well enuf alone?.....if this is indeed true, i am a happy buckaro......michael
--part1_175.12cbd2ea.2b1fb764_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 15:18:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22013; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:16:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:16:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DEE6234.B72C6221@ubuibi.org> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 12:14:45 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: archiving methods References: <175.12cbd2ea.2b1fb764@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7E882F7A86E761E606FE452E" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------7E882F7A86E761E606FE452E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit your tapes are falling apart as you read this.... Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/4/02 2:48:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > hans@ernieball.com writes: > > > >> his >> opinion is that magnetic tape and vinyl records are the only valid >> archiving methods, > > so you mean that i dont have to change all of my cassettes into cds, > leave well enuf alone?.....if this is indeed true, i am a happy > buckaro......michael --------------7E882F7A86E761E606FE452E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit your tapes are falling apart as you read this....

Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 12/4/02 2:48:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, hans@ernieball.com writes:
 
 
his
opinion is that magnetic tape and vinyl records are the only valid
archiving methods,

so you mean that i dont have to change all of my cassettes into cds, leave well enuf alone?.....if this is indeed true, i am a happy buckaro......michael

--------------7E882F7A86E761E606FE452E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 15:36:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23424; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:32:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:32:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <18a.12429a8e.2b1fc048@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:32:08 EST Subject: Re: archiving methods To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18a.12429a8e.2b1fc048_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_18a.12429a8e.2b1fc048_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/4/02 3:22:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, das@ubuibi.org writes: > your tapes are falling apart as you read this.... well so am i....:).....what to believe?.....michael --part1_18a.12429a8e.2b1fc048_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/4/02 3:22:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, das@ubuibi.org writes:


your tapes are falling apart as you read this....


well so am i....:).....what to believe?.....michael
--part1_18a.12429a8e.2b1fc048_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 16:07:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27009; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:06:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:06:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DEE6044.CD53ACFF@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:06:27 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: archiving methods References: <175.12cbd2ea.2b1fb764@aol.com> <3DEE6234.B72C6221@ubuibi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This leads me to a question: Does everything have to last forever? I've got a ton of four track cassettes and a Yamaha four track tape deck that I keep so that I can one day listen to those recordings of old.... Anyone want to buy a Yamaha four track? das wrote: > your tapes are falling apart as you read this.... > > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 12/4/02 2:48:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> hans@ernieball.com writes: >> >> >> >> > his >> > opinion is that magnetic tape and vinyl records are the only valid >> > archiving methods, >> >> so you mean that i dont have to change all of my cassettes into cds, >> leave well enuf alone?.....if this is indeed true, i am a happy >> buckaro......michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 16:08:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26690; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:04:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:04:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c29bd9$3a668140$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <18a.12429a8e.2b1fc048@aol.com> Subject: Re: archiving methods Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:07:37 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C29BD9.2CB71640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C29BD9.2CB71640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeepers folks, All of us should already know how fast tape degrades, no matter how much = you paid for it. I suppose if you don't like the idea of Bad CD Mixdown = Syndrome one can just keep it in storage, on tape, and hope for the = best. Each dupe you make loses more and more - but we know that too. = The way I figure it, as long as I can make a CD containing the archives = formerly saved on tape, I can freeze that degradation, yes? I'm in the long process of archiving old recorded material of mine to = CD, dating back to 1979. Boy, is there a lotta hiss in those early = ones! But a lot less than there would be if I put this off, hm? S. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 20:32:PM Subject: Re: archiving methods In a message dated 12/4/02 3:22:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, = das@ubuibi.org writes: your tapes are falling apart as you read this....=20 well so am i....:).....what to believe?.....michael ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C29BD9.2CB71640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jeepers folks,
 
All of us should already know how fast tape = degrades, no=20 matter how much you paid for it.  I suppose if you don't like the = idea of=20 Bad CD Mixdown Syndrome one can just keep it in storage, on tape, and = hope for=20 the best.  Each dupe you make loses more and more - but we know = that=20 too.  The way I figure it, as long as I can make a CD containing = the=20 archives formerly saved on tape, I can freeze that degradation,=20 yes?
 
I'm in the long process of archiving old = recorded=20 material of mine to CD, dating back to 1979.  Boy, is there a lotta = hiss in=20 those early ones!  But a lot less than there would be if I put this = off,=20 hm?
 
S.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, = 2002=20 20:32:PM
Subject: Re: archiving = methods

In a = message dated=20 12/4/02 3:22:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, das@ubuibi.org writes:


your tapes are falling apart as you read this....=20

well so am i....:).....what to=20 believe?.....michael
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C29BD9.2CB71640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 16:40:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29040; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:31:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:31:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:32:47 -0500 Subject: Re: archiving methods Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-600825582 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001901c29bd9$3a668140$0201a8c0@eluk> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4-600825582 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed i think you may be missing the point here. if you mix to something like=20= 1/2" ampex 499. it will probably be in pretty good shape 30 years from=20= now. and though there are other advantages to digital, no one who=20 seriously listens thinks that a cd or a DAT sounds as good as a half=20 inch master. as the digital teechnology gets better, you can take the=20 half inch and make better digital recordings. DVD audio is a great=20 example. if everyone had mixed to dat or cd then when higher fidelity=20 reproducers became available, there would be no point in out. why limit=20= yourself forever to 16 bit /44.1 when someday the standard will be much=20= higher. i understand that not everyone has an ATR102 1/2 machine in the=20= studio (i'm very lucky...) but there is a reason that when folks get=20 enough cash together to make a modest priced record that they don't mix=20= to DAT... On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 04:07 PM, S.P. Goodman wrote: > Jeepers folks, > =A0 > All of us should already know how fast tape degrades, no matter how=20 > much you paid for it.=A0 I suppose if you don't like the idea of Bad = CD=20 > Mixdown Syndrome one can just keep it in storage, on tape, and hope=20 > for the best.=A0 Each dupe you make loses more and more - but we know=20= > that too.=A0 The way I figure it, as long as I can make a CD = containing=20 > the archives formerly saved on tape, I can freeze that degradation,=20 > yes? > =A0 > I'm in the long process of archiving old recorded material of mine to=20= > CD, dating back to 1979.=A0 Boy, is there a lotta hiss in those early=20= > ones!=A0 But a lot less than there would be if I put this off, hm? > =A0 > S. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 20:32:PM > Subject: Re: archiving methods > > In a message dated 12/4/02 3:22:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 > das@ubuibi.org writes: > > > your tapes are falling apart as you read this.... > > > > well so am i....:).....what to believe?.....michael > --Apple-Mail-4-600825582 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 i think you may be missing the point here. if you mix to something like 1/2" ampex 499. it will probably be in pretty good shape 30 years from now. and though there are other advantages to digital, no one who seriously listens thinks that a cd or a DAT sounds as good as a half inch master. as the digital teechnology gets better, you can take the half inch and make better digital recordings. DVD audio is a great example. if everyone had mixed to dat or cd then when higher fidelity reproducers became available, there would be no point in out. why limit yourself forever to 16 bit /44.1 when someday the standard will be much higher. i understand that not everyone has an ATR102 1/2 machine in the studio (i'm very lucky...) but there is a reason that when folks get enough cash together to make a modest priced record that they don't mix to DAT... On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 04:07 PM, S.P. Goodman wrote: Jeepers folks, =A0 All of us should already know how fast tape degrades, no matter how much you paid for it.=A0 I suppose if you don't like the idea of Bad CD Mixdown Syndrome one can just keep it in storage, on tape, and hope for the best.=A0 Each dupe you make loses more and more - but we know that too.=A0 The way I figure it, as long as I can make a CD containing the archives formerly saved on tape, I can freeze that degradation, yes? =A0 I'm in the long process of archiving old recorded material of mine to CD, dating back to 1979.=A0 Boy, is there a lotta hiss in those early ones!=A0 But a lot less than there would be if I put this off, hm? =A0 S. ----- Original Message ----- From: = 1999,1999,FFFFNemoguitt@aol.com To: = 1999,1999,FFFFLoopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 20:32:PM Subject: Re: archiving methods ArialIn a message dated 12/4/02 3:22:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, = 1999,1999,FFFFdas@ubuibi.org writes: your tapes are falling apart as you read this.... well so am i....:).....what to = believe?.....michael = --Apple-Mail-4-600825582-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 16:44:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30083; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:40:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:40:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c297f2$49aba260$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <175.12cbd2ea.2b1fb764@aol.com> <3DEE6234.B72C6221@ubuibi.org> <3DEE6044.CD53ACFF@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: archiving methods Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:57:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Gentle Loopers, I'm a librarian with a special interest in archival methodology and the question that you are discussing is one of the most heated topics in the field. I have to say that I must fall towards the digitization side of the fence. While it is true that digital media is subject to a state of obsolescence that is more inextricable than that of magnetic tape or (particularly) vinyl, one has to wonder whether or not one is really going to be forced to fashion a phonograph needle "MacGyver-style" in some post-apocalyptic era (without software converters or cd-burners) to get at one's seminal work. In the case of magnetic tape, our collection contains some 1000+ reels of field recordings that are turning to dust as we speak. Unless you plan to put your tape in cold storage, fugitaboutit. Firstly, batch conversion is a much easier process than actually rerecording the original material in an effort to keep pace with tape degradation. Secondly, sound degradation is certainly going to occur with each generation. Thirdly, a digital image is not going to degrade as you access it, unlike either tape or phonograph. Couldn't help poking my nose in that one. lance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 17:45:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03620; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:42:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:42:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Update on Looping Hardware Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:43:45 +0100 Message-ID: <001201c29be6$9ad68a90$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <57465D84-07BB-11D7-B8BE-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Ernie, dear Stuart, no, Stuart, I'm not going to flame you...I just want to second your opinion on the DL4, which I keep enjoying more and more everytime I use it. Quick history of my use of the DL4: I got mine a long time after I did first "lo-fi" looping experiment with the delay algorithms of a SE-50 and a StudioQuad, then a RDS2001 and a fourtrack with an endless cassette tape, and shortly after I got a Headrush. While the Headrush sat on the shelf for some time after I assembled my main rack, I revitalized it when I built together my "live rack" (also to beused for my project "Eclectic Blah", see www.mp3.com/eblah), put it in the main setup and moved the DL4 to the live rack, thinking I could do anything the DL4 did with a combination of Repeater, FireworX and a multitude of other weird effects...BIG MISTAKE! Apart from its looping functions, which are cool for the reverse/half speed option, the stutter function and the additional 800ms delay alone, the different delay algorithms are simply phenomenal. I played in this dub combo where everybody and his/her brother had a Roland SpaceEcho, and those people just were rendered speechless when I came in with a green stompbox which did exactly what their huge space echos did...and more! The "Sweep Echo" is an absolute must, and I also like the (don't remember the name) mod delay with volume swell. Currently, I use it in every session with Eclectic Blah, and discover new variants of possible noises every time. Also listen (if you wish) to my piece "Confidence" on the www.mp3.com/moinlabs: the tune was done without real "instruments", rather, a combination of resonant filters (Electrix FilterFactory), surreal reverbs (Zoom 1201), oscillator cascades (Nord MicroModular) and the forementioned delay algorithms of the DL4 were played as "instruments"... Coda: Stuart is right (of course): I'd start with a DL4 and play A LOT with it. Then, if you really like the looping thing, think about getting an EDP+ (improved version for the ECE market coming soon) or a Repeater second-hand. All the best, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > At the lower end of the market, check out the Line6 DL4 - I have used > it with microphones, and have performed most of my music > using a single > DL4 pedal. It seems to have a good frequency range, and is > noiseless - > especially when run on batteries (30 hours use on a good set of > alkalines).... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 18:06:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06979; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:04:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:04:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DEE7C24.44A8AE51@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:05:24 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: archiving methods References: <175.12cbd2ea.2b1fb764@aol.com> <3DEE6234.B72C6221@ubuibi.org> <3DEE6044.CD53ACFF@zerocrossing.net> <003b01c297f2$49aba260$69894682@lance> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I totally agree. If something is worth keeping to you (or someone else) it will be far better to transfer an intact digital copy to a new medium than it would be to take a brittle tape and force it to loose yet another generation. The stuff that doesn't make it to the new medium... well you lose it. Is that so bad? Do we need everything? More often than not, I trash a loop after I'm done playing. If I saved every loop I ever made, I'd have so much it would be totally unwieldy, and it would end up like having nothing. I forget his name, but I love to quote one of the first developers of the "Hypertext" concept. He had (has?) a condition where he retained a perfect memory about everything and it was slowly driving him insane. He said, (I paraphrase) "Remembering everything is curiously similar to forgetting everything." Mark Sottilaro Lance Chance wrote: > Dear Gentle Loopers, > > I'm a librarian with a special interest in archival methodology and the > question that you are discussing is one of the most heated topics in the > field. I have to say that I must fall towards the digitization side of the > fence. While it is true that digital media is subject to a state of > obsolescence that is more inextricable than that of magnetic tape or > (particularly) vinyl, one has to wonder whether or not one is really going > to be forced to fashion a phonograph needle "MacGyver-style" in some > post-apocalyptic era (without software converters or cd-burners) to get at > one's seminal work. In the case of magnetic tape, our collection contains > some 1000+ reels of field recordings that are turning to dust as we speak. > Unless you plan to put your tape in cold storage, fugitaboutit. Firstly, > batch conversion is a much easier process than actually rerecording the > original material in an effort to keep pace with tape degradation. > Secondly, sound degradation is certainly going to occur with each > generation. Thirdly, a digital image is not going to degrade as you access > it, unlike either tape or phonograph. > > Couldn't help poking my nose in that one. > > lance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 18:27:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09230; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:27:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:27:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DEE900C.5040709@skeletonhome.com> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:30:20 -0500 From: bruce tovsky Reply-To: bruce@skeletonhome.com Organization: skeleton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: archiving methods References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have to agree with mr. monk here. a well-made 1/2" 30ips master kills a dat or cd-r. i have heard (but not 'heard') that 24bit/96khz comes really close, but that format is just being born. i backed up a lot of my 1/4" tapes when i first got a dat for convenience, but i still go back to my masters and my revox when i need to remaster something. archiving is essential - do it on the best format you can - but store those originals well, you'll be glad you did! bruce mr.monk wrote: > i think you may be missing the point here. if you mix to something > like 1/2" ampex 499. it will probably be in pretty good shape 30 years > from now. and though there are other advantages to digital, no one who > seriously listens thinks that a cd or a DAT sounds as good as a half > inch master. as the digital teechnology gets better, you can take the > half inch and make better digital recordings. DVD audio is a great > example. if everyone had mixed to dat or cd then when higher fidelity > reproducers became available, there would be no point in out. why > limit yourself forever to 16 bit /44.1 when someday the standard will > be much higher. i understand that not everyone has an ATR102 1/2 > machine in the studio (i'm very lucky...) but there is a reason that > when folks get enough cash together to make a modest priced record > that they don't mix to DAT... > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 18:47:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11070; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:46:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:46:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c29bef$d3c09d60$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: archiving methods Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:49:45 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C29BEF.D2A34680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C29BEF.D2A34680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not having the remotest chance of a second of access to a 1/2" tape = deck, I choose on the side of preserving the work in a state that I can = pick up in the future - and, if I want to go back to the tape (if it = hasn't fallen to time's ravages) to catch something, I can; but to avoid = using the tape, I have a 32-bit 44.1 WAV file to work with. One can = screw up a mix to DAT in any event, such that one couldn't tell the = difference by what was recorded. After encountering the DVD Audio = process, and its promise of not only better audio but surround as well, = I started recording at 32-bit 44.1. When I upgrade the sound card, = it'll be one capable of recording at DVD Audio's rate, and not just = 44.1. If I'm not happy enough with the results made under the present = regime, I'll go back. =20 For now, I utilize the three main rules of Data Processing, circa 1980:=20 1. Backup 2. Backup 3. Backup Neh? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mr.monk=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 21:32:PM Subject: Re: archiving methods i think you may be missing the point here. if you mix to something = like 1/2" ampex 499. it will probably be in pretty good shape 30 years = from now. and though there are other advantages to digital, no one who = seriously listens thinks that a cd or a DAT sounds as good as a half = inch master. as the digital teechnology gets better, you can take the = half inch and make better digital recordings. DVD audio is a great = example. if everyone had mixed to dat or cd then when higher fidelity = reproducers became available, there would be no point in out. why limit = yourself forever to 16 bit /44.1 when someday the standard will be much = higher. i understand that not everyone has an ATR102 1/2 machine in the = studio (i'm very lucky...) but there is a reason that when folks get = enough cash together to make a modest priced record that they don't mix = to DAT... On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 04:07 PM, S.P. Goodman wrote: Jeepers folks, =20 All of us should already know how fast tape degrades, no matter how = much you paid for it. I suppose if you don't like the idea of Bad CD = Mixdown Syndrome one can just keep it in storage, on tape, and hope for = the best. Each dupe you make loses more and more - but we know that = too. The way I figure it, as long as I can make a CD containing the = archives formerly saved on tape, I can freeze that degradation, yes? =20 I'm in the long process of archiving old recorded material of mine = to CD, dating back to 1979. Boy, is there a lotta hiss in those early = ones! But a lot less than there would be if I put this off, hm? =20 S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 20:32:PM Subject: Re: archiving methods In a message dated 12/4/02 3:22:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, = das@ubuibi.org writes: your tapes are falling apart as you read this.... well so am i....:).....what to believe?.....michael ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C29BEF.D2A34680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not having the remotest chance of a second of = access to a=20 1/2" tape deck, I choose on the side of preserving the work in a state = that I=20 can pick up in the future - and, if I want to go back to the tape (if it = hasn't=20 fallen to time's ravages) to catch something, I can; but to avoid using = the=20 tape, I have a 32-bit 44.1 WAV file to work with.  One can screw up = a mix=20 to DAT in any event, such that one couldn't tell the difference by what = was=20 recorded.  After encountering the DVD Audio process, and its = promise of not=20 only better audio but surround as well, I started recording at 32-bit=20 44.1.  When I upgrade the sound card, it'll be one capable of = recording at=20 DVD Audio's rate, and not just 44.1.  If I'm not happy enough with = the=20 results made under the present regime, I'll go back. 
 
For now, I utilize the three main rules of Data = Processing, circa 1980:
 
1. Backup
2. Backup
3. Backup
 
Neh?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mr.monk =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, = 2002=20 21:32:PM
Subject: Re: archiving = methods

i think you may be missing the point here. if you mix = to=20 something like 1/2" ampex 499. it will probably be in pretty good = shape 30=20 years from now. and though there are other advantages to digital, no = one who=20 seriously listens thinks that a cd or a DAT sounds as good as a half = inch=20 master. as the digital teechnology gets better, you can take the half = inch and=20 make better digital recordings. DVD audio is a great example. if = everyone had=20 mixed to dat or cd then when higher fidelity reproducers became = available,=20 there would be no point in out. why limit yourself forever to 16 bit = /44.1=20 when someday the standard will be much higher. i understand that not = everyone=20 has an ATR102 1/2 machine in the studio (i'm very lucky...) but there = is a=20 reason that when folks get enough cash together to make a modest = priced record=20 that they don't mix to DAT...


On Wednesday, December 4, = 2002, at=20 04:07 PM, S.P. Goodman wrote:

Jeepers folks,
 
All of us should already know = how=20 fast tape degrades, no matter how much you paid for it.  I = suppose if=20 you don't like the idea of Bad CD Mixdown Syndrome one can just keep = it in=20 storage, on tape, and hope for the best.  Each dupe you make = loses more=20 and more - but we know that too.  The way I figure it, as long = as I can=20 make a CD containing the archives formerly saved on tape, I can = freeze that=20 degradation, yes?
 
I'm in the long process of archiving = old=20 recorded material of mine to CD, dating back to 1979.  Boy, is = there a=20 lotta hiss in those early ones!  But a lot less than there = would be if=20 I put this off, hm?
 
S.

----- Original Message=20 -----
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sen= t:=20 Wednesday, December 04, 2002 20:32:PM
Subject: Re: = archiving=20 methods

In a message = dated=20 12/4/02 3:22:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 das@ubuibi.org=20 writes:


your tapes are falling apart as you read=20 this....



well so am i....:).....what to = believe?.....michael

------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C29BEF.D2A34680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 18:51:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10954; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:45:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:45:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DEE930A.7BE388D8@ubuibi.org> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:43:07 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: archiving methods References: <175.12cbd2ea.2b1fb764@aol.com> <3DEE6234.B72C6221@ubuibi.org> <3DEE6044.CD53ACFF@zerocrossing.net> <003b01c297f2$49aba260$69894682@lance> <3DEE7C24.44A8AE51@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > I totally agree. If something is worth keeping to you (or someone else) it > will be far better to transfer an intact digital copy to a new medium than it > would be to take a brittle tape and force it to loose yet another generation. > The stuff that doesn't make it to the new medium... well you lose it. Is that > so bad? Do we need everything? More often than not, I trash a loop after I'm > done playing. If I saved every loop I ever made, I'd have so much it would be > totally unwieldy, and it would end up like having nothing. > > I forget his name, but I love to quote one of the first developers of the > "Hypertext" concept. He had (has?) a condition where he retained a perfect > memory about everything and it was slowly driving him insane. He said, (I > paraphrase) "Remembering everything is curiously similar to forgetting > everything." yep, back up them k-7's i just finished a major transfer and found many fave 20+ year old tapes had DIED. and funny aside to your other paragraph, i've grown up watching my father (who wrote fortran incidentally), with a photographic memory slowly have his brain fill, and now it seems to take him longer to access memories even short term. i remember that he would memorize my mothers med. text books and test her while she was in pre-med. to this day, it is all still in there, down to the page number, but he looks like Data scrolling thru his memory banks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 4 22:34:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00443; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:31:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:31:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021205033138.76110.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:31:38 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: CD's and Sharpies To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200212041655.LAA31429@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know, I frequently ask musicians I like to sign their CD's for me when I get to see them live. I've been doing that since spring of 94. Maybe I need get out my old Ozric Tentacles CD's (my copies of Strangeitude and Jurassic Shift were the first that I did this with) and see if they still play. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 03:36:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23874; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:33:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:33:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:32:37 +0100 Subject: Re: CD-Rs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002601c29bb3$e8c0dcc0$0201a8c0@eluk> Message-Id: <1C4AD2FC-082C-11D7-AC2C-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It was a Maxell CDR Pro (blue writing)..... On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 05:40 PM, S.P. Goodman wrote: > See, it's not just indies thats got the hurt put on 'em by this > situation. > What kind of disc is it? -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 04:32:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27719; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:31:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:31:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: , , Subject: ot: baby voices Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:35:07 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200212042245.RAA04091@hemlock.violacea.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com do any fathers/mothers among us have recordings of their kid's voices when they were very young? when they couldn't talk yet but tried to? I'm fascinated by small kids' pre-language 'language', their expressivity and emotionality - and especially by the dramatic effect you get when you slow those recordings down to a normal grown-up voice pitch: try it and it will make your hair stand on end (especially with voices of angry kids :-) I'd like to research and experiment with this effect and, with enough material, make a composition (some kind of opera for slowed-down babies :-). unfortunately I don't have any kids and not many recordings either, so I'd be very grateful for any recordings you could send me. please contact me off-list if you think you've got something. your kids might become famous. = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb = www.mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 05:54:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00467; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:53:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:53:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: baby voices Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:53:24 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001601c29c4c$890af740$a500a8c0@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id FAA00446 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] > a composition (some kind of opera > for slowed-down babies :-). That's a brilliant idea! Can't wait to hear it :-) pboy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 09:04:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16559; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:03:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:03:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021205140236.4827.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:02:36 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: ot: baby voices To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Michael, very funny that you mention this because i´ve been doing a lot of recording with my kids lately in fact i want to record a whole CD i ve already have about 4 songs.The funny thing is they get really shy when they hear themselves in playback but they like it! My son is 4 yrs. old and my daughter 2 1/2 and i try to capture them when they are really in the hyper clowny mood; its interesting because they are bilingual(spanish-german) and sometimes they mix it up! Ive also been thinking about writting a dictionary for it:-)) I ´don´t know if they are too old for the kind of project you want but let me know. Cheers L.a > do any fathers/mothers among us have recordings of > their kid's voices when > they were very young? when they couldn't talk yet > but tried to? > > I'm fascinated by small kids' pre-language > 'language', their expressivity > and emotionality - and especially by the dramatic > effect you get when you > slow those recordings down to a normal grown-up > voice pitch: try it and it > will make your hair stand on end (especially with > voices of angry kids :-) > > I'd like to research and experiment with this effect > and, with enough > material, make a composition (some kind of opera for > slowed-down babies :-). > unfortunately I don't have any kids and not many > recordings either, so I'd > be very grateful for any recordings you could send > me. please contact me > off-list if you think you've got something. your > kids might become famous. > > > = michael peters > = computer graphics + electronic music > = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > = www.mp3.com/veloopity > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 09:30:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17922; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:25:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:25:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e601c2987e$96f3b350$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: Subject: Re: baby voices Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 08:41:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Got kid. Got gear. Had same idea. I'll be in touch. Actually, I already have some stuff on my Repeater. I'm gonna get some higher quality stuff over vacation, though. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 3:35 AM Subject: ot: baby voices > do any fathers/mothers among us have recordings of their kid's voices when > they were very young? when they couldn't talk yet but tried to? > > I'm fascinated by small kids' pre-language 'language', their expressivity > and emotionality - and especially by the dramatic effect you get when you > slow those recordings down to a normal grown-up voice pitch: try it and it > will make your hair stand on end (especially with voices of angry kids :-) > > I'd like to research and experiment with this effect and, with enough > material, make a composition (some kind of opera for slowed-down babies :-). > unfortunately I don't have any kids and not many recordings either, so I'd > be very grateful for any recordings you could send me. please contact me > off-list if you think you've got something. your kids might become famous. > > > = michael peters > = computer graphics + electronic music > = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > = www.mp3.com/veloopity > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 10:44:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23236; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:40:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:40:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021205154004.34460.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:40:04 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: archiving methods To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <18a.12429a8e.2b1fc048@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/4/02 3:22:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, das@ubuibi.org > writes: > > > your tapes are falling apart as you read this.... > > well so am i....:).....what to believe?.....michael I have 25 year old cassettes that play as well now as they did back then. I have ADAT tapes that have gone bad in just a couple of years. I have computer hard drives that have crashed and rendered everything unreadable. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 10:56:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24230; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:50:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:50:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021205155040.75352.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:50:40 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: CD's and Sharpies To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021205033138.76110.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Chris Richards wrote: > You know, I frequently ask musicians I like to > sign their CD's for me when I get to see them > live. I've been doing that since spring of 94. > Maybe I need get out my old Ozric Tentacles CD's > (my copies of Strangeitude and Jurassic Shift > were the first that I did this with) and see if > they still play. You don't really need to worry about using Sharpies on commercial CDs (ones pressed), the problem as described is with CD-R media. OTOH, I've used Sharpies on CDRs for quite awhiel and haven't ever had a problem, even on the cheapest of bad media. Of course, I'm not counting on keeping 'em, so if they go bad I don't really care. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 11:41:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29033; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:37:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:37:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:40:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater needed please... From: Daniel Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021204172756.72310.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3121933213_208222_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3121933213_208222_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Greg-- Wish I could tell you more. I was in Vince's shop dealing with a hum problem in my bass. He had a Repeater there, and I bought it because I'd been looking for one for awhile. He told me he had done this modification that makes it quieter, and I think that he said it has something to do with the power supply, but I really don't know anything more than that. Your best bet would be to call him at 617-926-8020 or you can email him at audiopro@shore.net dan on 12/4/02 12:27 PM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: --- Daniel Soltzberg wrote: > You can try a guy named Vince, at Pro Audio in Watertown, Massachusetts-- he > usually has a couple Repeaters around, and he does a cool modification on > them that makes them quieter. Any chance we could get some details on this modification? Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --MS_Mac_OE_3121933213_208222_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Electrix Repeater needed please... Hi Greg--

Wish I could tell you more. I was in Vince's shop dealing with a hum proble= m in my bass. He had a Repeater there, and I bought it because I'd been look= ing for one for awhile. He told me he had done this modification that makes = it quieter, and I think that he said it has something to do with the power s= upply, but I really don't know anything more than that.

Your best bet would be to call him at 617-926-8020 or you can email him at = audiopro@shore.net

dan


on 12/4/02 12:27 PM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote:

--- Daniel Soltzberg <d.ans@verizon.net> wrote:

> You can try a guy named Vince, at Pro Audio in Watertown, Massachusett= s-- he
> usually has a couple Repeaters around, and he does a cool modification= on
> them that makes them quieter.

Any chance we could get some details on this modification?

Greg

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--MS_Mac_OE_3121933213_208222_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 11:50:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29691; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:45:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:45:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012901c29892$414ce200$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <20021205154004.34460.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: archiving methods Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:02:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <4sNBI.A.0PH.CL479@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what kind of cassettes do you use!?! do you keep them in the freezer!?! i have cassettes that are 5 years old and you can't hear a thing on them. Hmmm, maybe the cassettes to which i am referring were just too well used. i'll check my old 4-track recordings. pensively, lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: Re: archiving methods > --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/4/02 3:22:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, das@ubuibi.org > > writes: > > > > > your tapes are falling apart as you read this.... > > > > well so am i....:).....what to believe?.....michael > > I have 25 year old cassettes that play as well now as they did back then. I have > ADAT tapes that have gone bad in just a couple of years. I have computer hard > drives that have crashed and rendered everything unreadable. > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 12:06:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32583; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:04:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:04:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021205115948.00afd6f8@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:10:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: that 1/2 inch thing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com damn monk - you have a 102??? my palms get all sweaty just THINKING about it. i've seen them going for anywhere from $3+k to 8! anyway, what i'd say in general would be for anyone who can - mix to half inch. go ahead, hammer that atr - it LIKES you to (unlike SOME mediums i could think of.) burn your mix at will then store this tape somewhere sensible - away from pizza ovens, mass transit substations etc... at such time as you make the leap from 48 to 96k (or beyond)- pull out that master and burn another dig copy if you like. that open reel mix is always gonna sound better than anything else as yet, but you'll save the wear and tear on the o.r. and enjoy all the convenience of random access. my pal just rented an atr 102 to do his mixes and after he finished them we were both looking at it thinking the same thing.... "hmmmm... how can we manage to NOT return this bad boy!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 12:07:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32696; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:06:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:06:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021205170619.93575.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:06:19 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: archiving methods To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <012901c29892$414ce200$69894682@lance> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whatever was laying around. They generally stay in a cardboard box in the closet, no special treatment. Greg --- Lance Chance wrote: > what kind of cassettes do you use!?! do you keep them in the freezer!?! i > have cassettes that are 5 years old and you can't hear a thing on them. > Hmmm, maybe the cassettes to which i am referring were just too well used. > i'll check my old 4-track recordings. > > pensively, > lance > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg House" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:40 AM > Subject: Re: archiving methods > > > > --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 12/4/02 3:22:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, > das@ubuibi.org > > > writes: > > > > > > > your tapes are falling apart as you read this.... > > > > > > well so am i....:).....what to believe?.....michael > > > > I have 25 year old cassettes that play as well now as they did back then. > I have > > ADAT tapes that have gone bad in just a couple of years. I have computer > hard > > drives that have crashed and rendered everything unreadable. > > > > Greg > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 12:21:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01021; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:16:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:16:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:09:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: OT: baby voices Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8XRJQD.A.3P.Co479@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i had one track of my son making noises on my latest cd project. i recorded him w/ my li'l digital voice recorder. actually i had filled it up w/ different sounds he made-these would have been when he was just over a yr old. now at 2 he makes entirely different sounds and i will say that the sounds of language starting are very expressive and i think they lose part of that when words become more familiar. i think when i recorded his part i just put it on my sampler section of my dod d12, maybe i'll put it on the delay part and slow it down to experiment (i don't have a repeater, just keep dreaming of it). thanks for the great idea!!! scott http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/452/hsacnostetn.html >do any fathers/mothers among us have recordings of their kid's voices when >they were very young? when they couldn't talk yet but tried to? > >I'm fascinated by small kids' pre-language 'language', their expressivity >and emotionality - and especially by the dramatic effect you get when you >slow those recordings down to a normal grown-up voice pitch: try it and it >will make your hair stand on end (especially with voices of angry kids :-) > >I'd like to research and experiment with this effect and, with enough >material, make a composition (some kind of opera for slowed-down babies :-). >unfortunately I don't have any kids and not many recordings either, so I'd >be very grateful for any recordings you could send me. please contact me >off-list if you think you've got something. your kids might become famous. > > >= michael peters >= computer graphics + electronic music >= www.mpeters.de/mpeweb >= www.mp3.com/veloopity -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 12:33:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02398; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:31:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:31:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-23.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039109495!7624 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9C4@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: archiving methods Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:25:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29C83.55800FA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29C83.55800FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have 1/4" and vinyl dating from the 50s and 60s that still sounds fresh, and cassettes that have survived dozens of different walkthings and still sound fantastic. and a bunch of 1st generation cd-r's that are splatting and shedding data like digital dandruff, while DATs- don't even mention those little fuckers in my presence! "error correction"? that pretty much tells you all you need to know about digital audio as a safe medium. least discouraging is the approach taken by sony, while developing the digital version of betacam. this format has, as standard, 4 tracks of 48kHz audio at at least 16 bits. getting this onto tape was pretty easy compared with the business of recording 2:1 compressed broadcast quality component video, so they had a bit of slack- there're enough bits laid to tape in the name of audio to do the job almost three times over, so there's plenty of resilience and redundancy without opting for "error correction". the upshot of all this is that any loss of head-to-tape contact is immediately manifested as audio splats; no ifs, buts or ands, just an instant prompt to do something about it. so you use the confidence replay heads and the error logger while you record... I've been using and servicing these machines since they came out in 1993 and they're pretty good at what they do, but I guess that at $35k each they're strictly for the big boys. (mtv europe has around 200 of them). I've cut audio on them too, before we went solid-state with our vegas and/or cool-edit. over-engineered digits on magnetic tape is relatively safe, but most digital media are too small. think about the mechanics of the situation- there are some physical constants to deal with, like dust particles and water vapour vs the granularity of the stock and the head-gaps. same applies to hard drives and cd's; no matter how careful you are with handling and storage, one knock on the case while the drive is doing something, or one tiny scratch..... DATs are just too small to be robust; they were designed to be a domestic product and therefore had to be "cute" like compact cassettes. when this didn't work, the format was then remarketed as a "professional" tool.... leading to the apocryphal tales of musicians spending weeks and weeks mixing and mastering onto something the size of a matchbox that later gets lost down the back of the studio couch or in someone's coat-lining. it's no wonder that the brighter studios hung on to their 1/2" decks and are now using them again. what's my point? I use digits for editing and distribution, but important stuff will always be either mastered or backed up on 1/4". I too am lucky enough to have a studer in the studio; an ex-broadcast 810 with centre-track t/c. ace machine. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. 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I have 1/4" and vinyl dating from the 50s and 60s th= at still sounds fresh, and cassettes that have survived dozens of different= walkthings and still sound fantastic. and a bunch of 1st generation cd-r's= that are splatting and shedding data like digital dandruff, while DATs- do= n't even mention those little fuckers in my presence! "error correctio= n"? that pretty much tells you all you need to know about digital audi= o as a safe medium.

least discouraging is the approach taken by sony, while d= eveloping the digital version of betacam. this format has, as standard, 4 t= racks of 48kHz audio at at least 16 bits. getting this onto tape was pretty= easy compared with the business of recording 2:1 compressed broadcast qual= ity component video, so they had a bit of slack- there're enough bits laid = to tape in the name of audio to do the job almost three times over, so ther= e's plenty of resilience and redundancy without opting for "error corr= ection". the upshot of all this is that any loss of head-to-tape conta= ct is immediately manifested as audio splats; no ifs, buts or ands, just an= instant prompt to do something about it. so you use the confidence replay = heads and the error logger while you record... I've been using and servicin= g these machines since they came out in 1993 and they're pretty good at wha= t they do, but I guess that at $35k each they're strictly for the big boys.= (mtv europe has around 200 of them). I've cut audio on them too, before we= went solid-state with our vegas and/or cool-edit. over-engineered digits o= n magnetic tape is relatively safe, but most digital media are too small. t= hink about the mechanics of the situation- there are some physical constant= s to deal with, like dust particles and water vapour vs the granularity of = the stock and the head-gaps. same applies to hard drives and cd's; no matte= r how careful you are with handling and storage, one knock on the case whil= e the drive is doing something, or one tiny scratch.....

DATs are just too small to be robust; they were designed = to be a domestic product and therefore had to be "cute" like comp= act cassettes. when this didn't work, the format was then remarketed as a &= quot;professional" tool.... leading to the apocryphal tales of musicia= ns spending weeks and weeks mixing and mastering onto something the size of= a matchbox that later gets lost down the back of the studio couch or in so= meone's coat-lining. it's no wonder that the brighter studios hung on to th= eir 1/2" decks and are now using them again.

what's my point? I use digits for editing and distributio= n, but important stuff will always be either mastered or backed up on 1/4&q= uot;. I too am lucky enough to have a studer in the studio; an ex-broadcast= 810 with centre-track t/c. ace machine.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29C83.55800FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 12:40:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03101; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:39:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:39:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:39:42 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tiktok@sprintmail.com Subject: Re: CD's and Sharpies Sender: tiktok@sprintmail.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 206.28.72.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >You don't really need to worry about using Sharpies >on commercial CDs (ones >pressed), the problem as described is with CD-R >media. I've heard the "Sharpies eat through CD-R" story and I'm a bit skeptical since I never hear about what the "safe" pen is and I also remember the urban myth that regular CDs would start to rot after three or four years ("Dude...it's already happening at radio stations..." usually accompanied this information). I've got over a thousand commercially produced CDs, dating back fifteen years, and I've yet to find one that was "rotting". And the idea that analog reel-to-reel is a stable format isn't watertight either. If you store the reels vertically, tail out, in a humidity/temperature controlled environment, with a minute of blank tape between each take to avoid print-through and have the studio assistant rotate the reels in their box a quarter turn each month to prevent the weight of the tape from flattening under gravity's influence AND you're lucky enough to avoid the periodic bad batches of tape that get produced, then you'll probably be able to play the tape back in a few decades. Dig back through old issues of Mix or EQ and you can find plenty of horror stories of 2" masters that need to be baked in a warm oven for a few hours before they'll play long enough [once. maybe] to be transferred to another format (usually digital in the accounts I've read [Roger Nichols/Steely Dan pops to mind]). And these were tapes stored under allegedly professional conditions. For the home user, the idea of maintaining a tape vault is prohibitively expensive and quite unlikely. I've got CD-Rs that are five years old that have been stored under normal household circumstances, and I've yet to have one go bad. Make new copies of all your CD-R masters each year if you're paranoid, or give up the idea that every note needs to be preserved for all time. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 13:02:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04467; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:58:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:58:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-18.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039111074!9113 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9C7@LON-MAIL07> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: tape/shelf life Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:51:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29C87.02A60D30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29C87.02A60D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>And the idea that analog reel-to-reel is a stable format isn't watertight either. If you store the reels vertically, tail out, in a humidity/temperature controlled environment, with a minute of blank tape between each take to avoid print-through and have the studio assistant rotate the reels in their box a quarter turn each month to prevent the weight of the tape from flattening under gravity's influence AND you're lucky enough to avoid the periodic bad batches of tape that get produced, then you'll probably be able to play the tape back in a few decades.<< more apocrypha.... the reel-to-reel list has over 800 members with all manner of professional and amateur open-reel experience on board. there is a known bad-period of tape manufacture and the procedure for baking the tapes has recently been well-documented and explained, aswell as a description of the likely symptoms of the unfortunate phenomenon necessitating it. we've got 1st generation betacam tapes in the library here that have been thrown across several transmission and edit suites, stored without cases in any number of physical locations and environmental conditions and played hundreds of times in dozens of indifferently maintained video decks aswell as our own top notch beta machines, and there's only the tiniest hint of degradation on tapes that are 12-15 years old. the digi betas are almost indestructible. I've /never/ bothered about tail-out/print through either; it's only really an issue when you've recorded dialogue or individual instruments (i.e. on multitrack) really loud and the stock itself is weak. it's a precautionary measure, and one of the things that's contributed to the longevity of magnetic tape use for audio. the odd horror story is inevitable with any format- you pays y'r money and you takes y'r choices..... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29C87.02A60D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: tape/shelf life

>>And the idea that analog reel-to-reel is a stable= format isn't watertight
either.  If you store the reels vertically, tail ou= t, in a
humidity/temperature controlled environment, with a minu= te of blank tape
between each take to avoid print-through and have the st= udio assistant rotate
the reels in their box a quarter turn each month to prev= ent the weight of the
tape from flattening under gravity's influence AND you'r= e lucky enough to
avoid the periodic bad batches of tape that get produced= , then you'll probably
be able to play the tape back in a few decades.<<<= /FONT>

more apocrypha.... the reel-to-reel list has over 800 mem= bers with all manner of professional and amateur open-reel experience on bo= ard. there is a known bad-period of tape manufacture and the procedure for = baking the tapes has recently been well-documented and explained, aswell as= a description of the likely symptoms of the unfortunate phenomenon necessi= tating it.

we've got 1st generation betacam tapes in the library her= e that have been thrown across several transmission and edit suites, stored= without cases in any number of physical locations and environmental condit= ions and played hundreds of times in dozens of indifferently maintained vid= eo decks aswell as our own top notch beta machines, and there's only the ti= niest hint of degradation on tapes that are 12-15 years old. the digi betas= are almost indestructible.

I've /never/ bothered about tail-out/print through either= ; it's only really an issue when you've recorded dialogue or individual ins= truments (i.e. on multitrack) really loud and the stock itself is weak. it'= s a precautionary measure, and one of the things that's contributed to the = longevity of magnetic tape use for audio. the odd horror story is inevitabl= e with any format- you pays y'r money and you takes y'r choices.....=

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29C87.02A60D30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 13:32:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07835; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:28:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:28:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d601c29c8b$b5e70a80$a3645cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #297 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:24:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2RVBaC.A.V6B.Jr579@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #297 November 28, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at midnight was disc two of the two CD set "Cloudseeder" by Wave World on the VFR label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Cords" by Synergy (a.k.a. Larry Fast) on the Passport Records label. Two Dutch Bands http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#nov PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Synergy On Presuming To Be Cords (Passport Records) Modern Part III Robert Carty Elementals Dreaming Earth Water Memories (Deep Sky) Jeff Pearce Written in Water Bleed (Hypnos) Free System Projekt Faraday Pointless Reminder (Quantum) Wave World The Chain Species (Quantum) Jonn Serrie The Tachyon Directive Ixlandia (Miramar) Asmus Tiechens and V The Shifts Recyclings (Soleilmoon) 12:00 am Wave World Nebulae Cloudseeder (VFR) Wave World The Quest * Species (Quantum) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Jonn Serrie, one of spacemusic's pioneers. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "And the Stars Go With You" on the New World Music label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra" by Synergy, a.k.a. Larry Fast, on the Passport label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 13:32:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07558; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:24:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:24:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:24:22 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Anyone in Phoenix? From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, There is a possibility that I might be flown to Phoenix for a final audition for Dralion over the next couple of weeks.... so I was just wondering if any fellow loopers lived in that area, and if so (and if it is feasable/possible to extend my stay for 24hrs or so), would they be interested in putting me up for one night and possibly having a jam/concert/whatever.... Just an idea. My dream is that a looper lives in the area who has both an EDP as well as Kyma system with Dennis' software.... :) (and a spare sofa).... -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 13:54:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09842; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:48:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:48:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010f01c29c8e$7139d5e0$a3645cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Report for November, 2002 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:44:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice for November, 2002. Shows #294 to #297; 7-October-2002 to 28-October-2002 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Adam Schabtach - Elephant Island - Atomic City Asmus Tiechens and vidnaObmana - The Shifts Recyclings - Soleilmoon Free System Projekt - Atmospheric Conditions - Quantum Ixohoxi - Somnabulae - MP3.COM Jeff Pearce - Bleed - Hypnos John Flomer - On a Stranger Light - Spotted Peccary Jonn Serrie - Ixlandia - Miramar Metlay! - After Silence - Atomic City Mike Griffin and Dave Fulton - Imprint - Hypnos Mikronesia - Mikronesia - none Radio Massacre International - Planets in the Wires - Northern Echo Recordins Richard Pinhas - Event and Repetitions - Cuneiform Robert Carty - Dreaming Earth Water Memories - Deep Sky Robert Carty and Brannan Lane - Climatic Infusion - none Stephen Philips - Reflections in Water - Dark Duck Steve Curtain - Wires On Dry Trees Turn Night Into Day - none Various Artists - First Decade 1992-2002 - Manikin Various Artists - Hampshire Jam Preserved - none vidnaObmana - An Opera for Four Fusion Works - Hypnos Wave World - Cloudseeder - VFR From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 14:39:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14668; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:33:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:33:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017201c298a9$a73bbc00$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9C7@LON-MAIL07> Subject: line 6 echo pro: trash? Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:49:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_016F_01C29877.5A3AFA60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <8dB_MB.A.GlD.Eo679@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_016F_01C29877.5A3AFA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: tape/shelf lifeI was wondering why musician's friend is = blowing these things out, and so many of you chose the DL4 over it. is = it crap? i was thinking about getting one for the midi synched reverse = delay. lmk lance ------=_NextPart_000_016F_01C29877.5A3AFA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: tape/shelf life
I was wondering = why musician's=20 friend is blowing these things out, and so many of you chose the DL4 = over it. is=20 it crap? i was thinking about getting one for the midi synched = reverse=20 delay.
 
lmk
 
lance
------=_NextPart_000_016F_01C29877.5A3AFA60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 14:58:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15912; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:51:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:51:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021205195124.53388.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:51:24 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro: trash? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <017201c298a9$a73bbc00$69894682@lance> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1f74jC.A.e4D.b5679@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I dont understand either why they are blowing them out i find it really cool it sounds great although i don´t use it much for looping. L.a > [looper's] RE: tape/shelf lifeI was wondering why > musician's friend is blowing these things out, and > so many of you chose the DL4 over it. is it crap? i > was thinking about getting one for the midi synched > reverse delay. > > lmk > > lance ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 15:25:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19030; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:22:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:22:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DEFB4E6.2070602@wanadoo.fr> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 21:19:50 +0100 From: "o.malhomme" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: fr-fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeater mod References: <200212051832.NAA08310@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't have myself a repeater, (although I wish I had...) but the only mods I can imagine can be either 1) a better filtering 2) a toric or toroidal power suply... Better have someone check the usual one and it would certainly help a lot already... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 15:25:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19070; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:22:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:22:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c298b0$8886b1f0$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <20021205195124.53388.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro: trash? Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:39:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-psNEC.A.4pE.PW779@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you know, "they" were giving away repeaters about a year ago, too. so maybe "they" don't know jack. unless anyone has a horror story, i think i'm gonna buy one while they're cheap. thanks lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louie Angulo" To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:51 PM Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro: trash? > > I dont understand either why they are blowing them out > i find it really cool it sounds great although i don´t > use it much for looping. > L.a > > > [looper's] RE: tape/shelf lifeI was wondering why > > musician's friend is blowing these things out, and > > so many of you chose the DL4 over it. is it crap? i > > was thinking about getting one for the midi synched > > reverse delay. > > > > lmk > > > > lance > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 15:26:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18974; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:21:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:21:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:20:43 +0100 Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro: trash? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021205195124.53388.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <07D0EB89-088F-11D7-AC2C-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA18953 Resent-Message-ID: <5mg0tD.A.YoE.7U779@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've heard that the midi sync is a little sporadic from one friend... however, if you are looking for a stand alone device, and midi sync is not so important to you, then it is a great unit. Balanced inputs/outputs, 60 seconds looping..... I think that it would be very good to layer up drones like you can do with the DL4.... I'd get one if I had the money :) On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 08:51 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > I dont understand either why they are blowing them out > i find it really cool it sounds great although i don¥t > use it much for looping. -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 15:43:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20183; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:28:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:28:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #832 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:22:44 -0600 x-sender: billmonk@mail.mac.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bill Monk To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >baby voices > > >i had one track of my son making noises on my latest cd project. Play it backwards, he might be trying to tell you something! (There are people who claim baby talk contains backwards words and phases, presumably caused by the right side of the brain (which supposedly understands speech and writing forwards, backwards, mirror-image etc) trying to get the hang of language. I never tried it but might would be an interesting experiment since it sounds like you have a good bit of source material from various ages.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 15:43:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21086; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:39:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:39:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Electrix Mod [was re:Re: Electrix Repeater needed please...] Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:40:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2002 20:38:55.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[54557E10:01C29C9E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone else called or emailed him? I'll contact him and get the skinny if I can and post it here, but I just don't want to piss him off with a bunch of people calling all the time asking how to mod their repeater. If someone already talked to him, let us know - what's up? Jon > makes it quieter, and I think that he said it has something to do with the > power supply, but I really don't know anything more than that. > > Your best bet would be to call him at 617-926-8020 or you can email him at > audiopro@shore.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 15:45:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21299; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:42:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:42:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nathan Bannow" To: Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #832 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:42:17 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on backward messeges in general: http://skepdic.com/backmess.html -Nathan .-. .-. .-. / \ / \ .-. / \ .-. / \ --/-----\-----/---\----N-a-t-h-a-n---@---G-i-z-a-.-c-o-m------\------ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ '-' \ / '-' \ / \ \ / \ / \ '-' '-' -----Original Message----- From: Bill Monk [mailto:billmonk@mac.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 2:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #832 >baby voices > > >i had one track of my son making noises on my latest cd project. Play it backwards, he might be trying to tell you something! (There are people who claim baby talk contains backwards words and phases, presumably caused by the right side of the brain (which supposedly understands speech and writing forwards, backwards, mirror-image etc) trying to get the hang of language. I never tried it but might would be an interesting experiment since it sounds like you have a good bit of source material from various ages.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 15:50:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21935; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:46:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:46:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:46:23 +0100 Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro: trash? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001d01c298b0$8886b1f0$69894682@lance> Message-Id: <9DF10A06-0892-11D7-AC2C-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bloody hell, I've just checked the site.... $299???? Its only $50 more expensive than the DL4!!!! Snap 'em up guys.... :) Its a bargain. On Saturday, November 30, 2002, at 09:39 PM, Lance Chance wrote: > you know, "they" were giving away repeaters about a year ago, too. so > maybe "they" don't know jack. unless anyone has a horror story, i > think > i'm gonna buy one while they're cheap. -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 15:51:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22058; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:48:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:48:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.155.249.26] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro: trash? Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 15:47:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2002 20:47:46.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[90CB4950:01C29C9F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It would have been nice if the Echo Pro & the other Line-6 racks had some "real time" jacks for bypass & tap tempo etc. It sounds good but don't want Midi to control my looping. That's why I use the EDP & the the good old Digitech DDL. cheers Lou >From: "Lance Chance" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro: trash? >Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:39:08 -0600 > >you know, "they" were giving away repeaters about a year ago, too. so >maybe "they" don't know jack. unless anyone has a horror story, i think >i'm gonna buy one while they're cheap. > >thanks > >lance > > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 15:53:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22179; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:49:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:49:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:49:26 +0100 Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro, mod pro, and filter pro - $299!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001d01c298b0$8886b1f0$69894682@lance> Message-Id: <0A98AF84-0893-11D7-AC2C-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Their filter pro and mod pro's are also reduced to $299!!!! My god! Christmas has come early for some people! -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 16:01:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23045; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:57:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:57:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:58:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Electrix Mod [was re:Re: Electrix Repeater needed please...] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4D7A83CC-0894-11D7-8E8F-000393C629BC@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i called and talked to vince who explained that it involved a lot of shielding and some work on the power supply, but he said it eliminates the clock noise and most of the hiss/hum. i sent mine to him yesterday. i'll let you know what it sounds like when i get it back. On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 03:40 PM, Jon Wagner wrote: > Has anyone else called or emailed him? I'll contact him and get the > skinny > if I can and post it here, but I just don't want to piss him off with a > bunch of people calling all the time asking how to mod their repeater. > If > someone already talked to him, let us know - what's up? > Jon > >> makes it quieter, and I think that he said it has something to do >> with the >> power supply, but I really don't know anything more than that. >> >> Your best bet would be to call him at 617-926-8020 or you can email >> him at >> audiopro@shore.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 16:13:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24864; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:05:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:05:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021205210500.15946.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:05:00 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Electrix Mod [was re:Re: Electrix Repeater needed please...] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jon Wagner wrote: > Has anyone else called or emailed him? I'll contact him and get the skinny > if I can and post it here, but I just don't want to piss him off with a > bunch of people calling all the time asking how to mod their repeater. If > someone already talked to him, let us know - what's up? Good plan, Jon. I was going to email, but I'll hold off until I hear from you or someone else. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 16:17:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25798; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:14:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:14:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 16:14:05 -0500 Subject: looping gig in NYC From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA25777 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lots o' looping here....Violinist and Composer TODD REYNOLDS presents: Nuove Uova: New Works For Violin And Electricity recent and premiere electronic works by renowned composers from New York’s Downtown new music scene Monday, December 9, 2002 7:00pm JOE’S PUB at The Public Theater Featuring compositions by: Michael Gordon € John King € Phil Kline € David Lang € Ingram Marshall € Todd Reynolds € Evan Ziporyn Guests include: David Cossin, percussion € Evan Ziporyn, clarinet JOE’S PUB € 425 Lafayette St € 6 train to Astor Place, N/R to 8th St., F to B’way Tele-charge 212.239.6200 € Joe’s Pub ticket office: 212.539.8770 www.joespub.com € www.toddreynolds.com ============ On December 9, 2002, violinist and composer Todd Reynolds presents Nuove Uova (“New Eggsâ€), an evening of ground-breaking electronic music at Joe’s Pub, which the Village Voice recently labeled “the best excuse to let a single venue dictate your musical taste.†The evening features six world premieres written specifically for Reynolds and his battery of electronic gear, composed by an A-list of downtown music luminaries including Michael Gordon, John King , Phil Kline, David Lang, Ingram Marshall, Evan Ziporyn and Reynolds himself. Each piece on the program utilizes various types of music technology, including real-time computer-based processing, live loop creation and manipulation, sequencing and computer-generated soundtrack. As a player and presenter, Reynolds is at the forefront of contemporary performance. “One of the best-known participants in New York’s downtown music scene†(Time Out New York), he consistently redefines the cutting edge. He is regularly featured at major New York venues such as Lincoln Center, BAM, and The Kitchen. He is a member of the red-hot string quartet Ethel, a frequent guest of the Bang on a Can All-Stars, and violinist and assistant conductor for Steve Reich and Musicians. For the past two seasons Mr. Reynolds has been exploring uncharted territory with his innovative experimental music-theater series, Still Life With Microphone, a unique multi-disciplinary presentation of contemporary music seen through the eyes of a mischievous conducting clown. Nuove Uova continues Reynolds’ re-imagining of the traditional concert format found in the Still Life series, directing his attention to the solo violin recital. Set in the relaxed, small-club atmosphere of Joe’s Pub, the audience is offered creative and adventurous electronic music in a casual environment. In addition, several of the composers have joined Reynolds in rethinking the conventional by writing pieces outside their primarily acoustic aesthetic. Reynolds’ unique expertise and experience with music technology inspired them to explore the possibilities inherent in mixing the violin with electronics. Along with pieces for solo violin, Nuove Uova features guest performances by two members of the Bang on a Can All-Stars. Percussionist David Cossin will join Todd for boombox maestro Phil Kline’s new additions to the loop-infused Reynolds Etudes. Composer/clarinetist Evan Ziporyn takes the stage to premiere his new work for violin, clarinet and sampler, written for the Joe’s Pub concert. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 16:28:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26914; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:27:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:27:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 13:25:26 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro, mod pro, and filter pro - $299!!! In-reply-to: <0A98AF84-0893-11D7-AC2C-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <0A98AF84-0893-11D7-AC2C-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:49 PM +0100 12/5/02, Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) wrote: >Their filter pro and mod pro's are also reduced to $299!!!! > >My god! Christmas has come early for some people! These prices have been in effect for some months now. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 16:31:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27263; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:30:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:30:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DEFC4F4.4E591DD9@ubuibi.org> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 13:28:20 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: CD's and Sharpies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not quite an urban myth about some first generation cd's going sour. some early manifacturers were pretty negligent about moisture i watched my nww discs turn brown over a 3 year period Travis Hartnett wrote: > >You don't really need to worry about using Sharpies >on commercial CDs (ones > >pressed), the problem as described is with CD-R >media. > > I've heard the "Sharpies eat through CD-R" story and I'm a bit skeptical since > I never hear about what the "safe" pen is and I also remember the urban myth > that regular CDs would start to rot after three or four years ("Dude...it's > already happening at radio stations..." usually accompanied this information). > I've got over a thousand commercially produced CDs, dating back fifteen > years, and I've yet to find one that was "rotting". > > And the idea that analog reel-to-reel is a stable format isn't watertight > either. If you store the reels vertically, tail out, in a > humidity/temperature controlled environment, with a minute of blank tape > between each take to avoid print-through and have the studio assistant rotate > the reels in their box a quarter turn each month to prevent the weight of the > tape from flattening under gravity's influence AND you're lucky enough to > avoid the periodic bad batches of tape that get produced, then you'll probably > be able to play the tape back in a few decades. > > Dig back through old issues of Mix or EQ and you can find plenty of horror > stories of 2" masters that need to be baked in a warm oven for a few hours > before they'll play long enough [once. maybe] to be transferred to another > format (usually digital in the accounts I've read [Roger Nichols/Steely Dan > pops to mind]). And these were tapes stored under allegedly professional > conditions. For the home user, the idea of maintaining a tape vault is > prohibitively expensive and quite unlikely. I've got CD-Rs that are five > years old that have been stored under normal household circumstances, and I've > yet to have one go bad. Make new copies of all your CD-R masters each year if > you're paranoid, or give up the idea that every note needs to be preserved for > all time. > > TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 16:31:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27231; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:30:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:30:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021205213023.60536.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:30:23 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Electrix Mod [was re:Re: Electrix Repeater needed please...] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4D7A83CC-0894-11D7-8E8F-000393C629BC@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2xPeqB.A.ZpG.xV879@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "mr.monk" wrote: > i called and talked to vince who explained that it involved a lot of > shielding and some work on the power supply, but he said it eliminates > the clock noise and most of the hiss/hum. i sent mine to him yesterday. > i'll let you know what it sounds like when i get it back. Interesting! What does he charge to do this mod? Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 16:33:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26736; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:25:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:25:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro: trash? Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:29:04 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20021205195124.53388.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021205195124.53388.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02120516290400.02460@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll chime in to say that I love mine. I got it recently at a good price from Mars Music during a going out of buisiness sale. Picked it up on a lark and just love it. The only thing I don't like is that I don't yet have a Midi pedalboard to control it. I think once I pick up the Behringer FCB1010 it'll really open up the looping potential. If you're itching for echo or loopiness and it's a good price, I wouldn't hesitate recommend it. Todd On Thu, 05 Dec 2002, Louie Angulo wrote: > I dont understand either why they are blowing them out > i find it really cool it sounds great although i don´t > use it much for looping. > L.a > > > [looper's] RE: tape/shelf lifeI was wondering why > > musician's friend is blowing these things out, and > > so many of you chose the DL4 over it. is it crap? i > > was thinking about getting one for the midi synched > > reverse delay. > > > > lmk > > > > lance > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 16:50:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29165; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:48:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:48:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021205214854.62000.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:48:54 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro, mod pro, and filter pro - $299!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 9:49 PM +0100 12/5/02, Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) wrote: > >Their filter pro and mod pro's are also reduced to $299!!!! > > > >My god! Christmas has come early for some people! > > These prices have been in effect for some months now. Yeah, that's the standard price at most of the online/mailorder dealers these days. It does seem like a good deal. My guess is that they didn't sell well, so they had to reduce the price. Frankly, for as little additional functionality, I don't think they were worth the extra cost. At $300, it's probably worth it, at $500, probably not. While I've seen a LOT of the Line6 stomp boxes (virtually every guitar player I know has at least one!), I've never actually seen one of the rackmounts in the wild. I think it's probably because they don't offer the realtime control which you get built into the foot pedal version, and they don't offer significantly more features. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 17:04:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31384; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:02:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:02:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c298be$8c66c9f0$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <07D0EB89-088F-11D7-AC2C-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro: trash? attn: stuart Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:19:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com damn and blast, midi sync was exactly what i was needing. what was he trying to sync it to? any info on this topic would be most enlightening. thanx lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 2:20 PM Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro: trash? > I've heard that the midi sync is a little sporadic from one friend... > however, if you are looking for a stand alone device, and midi sync is > not so important to you, then it is a great unit. Balanced > inputs/outputs, 60 seconds looping..... > > I think that it would be very good to layer up drones like you can do > with the DL4.... > > I'd get one if I had the money :) > > On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 08:51 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > > > I dont understand either why they are blowing them out > > i find it really cool it sounds great although i don¥t > > use it much for looping. > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 17:09:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32048; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:08:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:08:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:07:46 +0100 Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro: trash? attn: stuart Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <004501c298be$8c66c9f0$69894682@lance> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, November 30, 2002, at 11:19 PM, Lance Chance wrote: > damn and blast, midi sync was exactly what i was needing. what was he > trying to sync it to? any info on this topic would be most > enlightening. I have no idea... sorry. Its a musical colleague that I don't really see any more (the project was scrapped). He purchased it when it first came out at $650... which was a while back. He was not synching it with a Repeater/EDP... I have a feeling it was with a keyboard workstation or computer. I'd love to hear if anyone else has had a similar problem... I'll try and find someone who can contact him... -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 17:16:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32637; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:15:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:15:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c29cab$c23fd8a0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro: trash? attn: stuart Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:14:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <1eKK5.A.39H.HA979@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes- my bandmate has delay warble issues when midi synced- it is the one thing that keeps me from getting one- we have tried many different midi sources with same problem- my 2 TC boxes connected to same midi never warble. c > I'd love to hear if anyone else has had a similar problem... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 18:00:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03105; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:57:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:57:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <181200-220021245225744602@M2W057.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: onelonecrow@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 64.160.12.118 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "onelonecrow@earthlink.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: ot: baby voices Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:57:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2002 22:57:44.0519 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8E89570:01C29CB1] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA03084 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Delurking... it's been a long time. You might whant to check this out. He has recorded baby voices before and got some very interesting results. http://www.reversespeech.com/home.htm joe Original Message: ----------------- From: Michael Peters mpeters@csi.com Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:35:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, acoustic-ecology@sfu.ca, CT-Collective@yahoogroups.com Subject: ot: baby voices do any fathers/mothers among us have recordings of their kid's voices when they were very young? when they couldn't talk yet but tried to? I'm fascinated by small kids' pre-language 'language', their expressivity and emotionality - and especially by the dramatic effect you get when you slow those recordings down to a normal grown-up voice pitch: try it and it will make your hair stand on end (especially with voices of angry kids :-) I'd like to research and experiment with this effect and, with enough material, make a composition (some kind of opera for slowed-down babies :-). unfortunately I don't have any kids and not many recordings either, so I'd be very grateful for any recordings you could send me. please contact me off-list if you think you've got something. your kids might become famous. = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb = www.mp3.com/veloopity -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 18:22:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06186; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:21:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:21:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:22:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Electrix Mod [was re:Re: Electrix Repeater needed please...] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021205213023.60536.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <7D2434A4-08A8-11D7-8E8F-000393C629BC@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com $100 plus shipping. On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 04:30 PM, Greg House wrote: > --- "mr.monk" wrote: >> i called and talked to vince who explained that it involved a lot of >> shielding and some work on the power supply, but he said it eliminates >> the clock noise and most of the hiss/hum. i sent mine to him >> yesterday. >> i'll let you know what it sounds like when i get it back. > > Interesting! What does he charge to do this mod? > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 18:58:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09097; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:58:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:58:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <74.274f0a04.2b2141e4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:57:24 EST Subject: Re: looping gig in NYC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_74.274f0a04.2b2141e4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_74.274f0a04.2b2141e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/02 4:17:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, toddreynolds@rcn.com writes: > Nuove Uova: > New Works For Violin And Electricity > > todd.....i certainly hope that this will be recorded.....sounds like a great nite.....michael --part1_74.274f0a04.2b2141e4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/02 4:17:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, toddreynolds@rcn.com writes:


Nuove Uova:
New Works For Violin And Electricity



todd.....i certainly hope that this will be recorded.....sounds like a great nite.....michael
--part1_74.274f0a04.2b2141e4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 21:42:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25556; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:36:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:36:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 21:39:27 -0500 Subject: the sound that kills and heals From: Daniel Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3121969167_353513_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3121969167_353513_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hey-- I just wanted to say thanks to the folks who checked out my music and the article and wrote back-- it's really great to get responses and feedback on the music. This message (below) was funny, Mark, because I did that piece for a film, and when I sent it, they did indeed call me up to find out whether it was supposed to be making "that sound." People really have different responses to harsh sounds like that (it's actually a bass-generated sound)-- it's interesting how much variation there is in what pleases different ears. dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net 617-470-2087 on 12/4/02 11:48 AM, Mark at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: I really loved your tracks, and had a funny, though all too familiar, experience while listening to it at work. I'm listening to one of the tracks and a high school student that works for our company doing odd jobs comes over to say hello. He looks at my computer and says, "What the FUCK is that?" I said, "The music?" and he said, "No, that sound!" Ha hahaha. He thought it was a sound effect played by the computer when moving elements on the document. (as usual I was in Photoshop) When I confirmed he was talking about a harsh sounding synth sound, I explained to him that it was indeed part of the music, and that I was enjoying it. Don't worry Dan, you're in good company. While playing my own music I often get, "Is it supposed to be making that sound?" Mark Sottilaro --MS_Mac_OE_3121969167_353513_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable the sound that kills and heals hey--

I just wanted to say thanks to the folks who checked out my music and the a= rticle and wrote back-- it's really great to get responses and feedback on t= he music.

This message (below) was funny, Mark, because I did that piece for a film, = and when I sent it, they did indeed call me up to find out whether it was su= pposed to be making "that sound." People really have different res= ponses to harsh sounds like that (it's actually a bass-generated sound)-- it= 's interesting how much variation there is in what pleases different ears.
dan

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on 12/4/02 11:48 AM, Mark at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:

I really loved your tracks, and had a funny, though all too familiar, exper= ience
while listening to it at work.  I'm listening to one of the tracks and= a high
school student that works for our company doing odd jobs comes over to say<= BR> hello.  He looks at my computer and says, "What the FUCK is that?= "  I said, "The
music?" and he said, "No, that sound!"  Ha hahaha. &nbs= p;He thought it was a sound
effect played by the computer when moving elements on the document. (as usu= al I
was in Photoshop)  When I confirmed he was talking about a harsh sound= ing synth
sound, I explained to him that it was indeed part of the music, and that I = was
enjoying it.

Don't worry Dan, you're in good company.  While playing my own music I= often
get, "Is it supposed to be making that sound?"

Mark Sottilaro --MS_Mac_OE_3121969167_353513_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 22:02:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28280; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:59:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:59:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 21:59:53 -0500 Subject: best place to buy edp memory on short notice? by mail or in NYC? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dear folks, I have a friend which needs to blow his echoplex out from 50 secs to max by Monday. any advice on where to get memory? and what exactly does he need in what configuration? and where on the LD site is this material listed? thanks, todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 22:29:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30027; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:26:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:26:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021205192709.0442c5d8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 19:29:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: best place to buy edp memory on short notice? by mail or in NYC? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:59 PM 12/5/2002, todd reynolds wrote: >I have a friend which needs to blow his echoplex out from 50 secs to max by >Monday. any advice on where to get memory? and what exactly does he need >in what configuration? and where on the LD site is this material listed? Echoplex faq: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html there are numerous online dealers that sell the memory used in the edp. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 22:47:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31094; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:46:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:46:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c29da2$9d9bee60$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: Subject: OT: Roland VS880 Digital Recorder Rack Version Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:42:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C29D78.B425AEC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <2GsiUB.A.wlH.A2B89@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C29D78.B425AEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, lads: Does anyone remember the model number of the Roland VS880 that was the = rack mount version? I know that they were being blown out a few months back. I saw one for = $400 in Guitar Center today. But I can't remember the model number to do = some research on the 'Net to see what the drawbacks of the device are. Thanks in advance, Regards, Paul ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C29D78.B425AEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, lads:
 
Does anyone remember the model number = of the Roland=20 VS880 that was the rack mount version?
 
I know that they were being blown out a = few months=20 back. I saw one for $400 in Guitar Center today. But I can't remember = the model=20 number to do some research on the 'Net to see what the drawbacks of the = device=20 are.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Regards, = Paul
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C29D78.B425AEC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 5 23:50:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03338; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:46:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:46:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: EDP: Quantize in Record Mode Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:49:21 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey...does anyone know if you can Quantize (to say the nearest 16th or 32nd note) while in Record Mode when setting up your first loop on the EDP? If the answer is using a drum machine as a clock... My next question would be....could the software (Loop IV) be modified to provide that option internally? My third question would be if the drum machine as clock is the only way to go where would I find the info on it? Thanks, Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 01:00:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09652; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:59:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:59:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 21:59:20 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: ernesto schnack Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tiktok@sprintmail.com Subject: Re: CD's and Sharpies Sender: tiktok@sprintmail.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 69.3.162.184 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah--but do they still play okay? And I remember that some CDs were almost translucent when they were new (Eno's Thursday Morning comes to mind), and that was just how they were manufactured. TH On Fri, 06 Dec 2002 00:38:00 -0500 ernesto schnack wrote: > On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:39:42 -0800, "Travis > Hartnett" > said: > > I've got over a thousand commercially > produced CDs, dating back fifteen > > years, and I've yet to find one that was > "rotting". > > > > I do have a couple of old cd's that seem to be > "rotting" on the edges. > It's like the reflective surface starts to > degrade and all you see is the > see-through plastic. > > Ernesto > > -- > ernesto schnack > http://schnack.does.it > > -- > http://fastmail.fm - Access your email from > home and the web > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 01:51:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11694; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:43:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:43:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.71; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "ernesto schnack" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 01:42:59 -0500 X-Epoch: 1039156979 X-Sasl-enc: CCT/Fe6FwYExSYUDcIW09g Subject: Re: CD's and Sharpies Message-Id: <20021206064259.454FC14657@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Towards the end of the cd, it starts skipping and eventually becomes unplayable, depends how bad its gotten. But it's only on a handful of cd's out of the hundreds I've accumulated over the years. Ernesto On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 21:59:20 -0800, "Travis Hartnett" said: > Yeah--but do they still play okay? > And I remember that some CDs were almost translucent when they were new > (Eno's > Thursday Morning comes to mind), and that was just how they were > manufactured. > > > TH > -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - Sent 0.000002 seconds ago From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 05:39:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28791; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 05:35:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 05:35:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039170907!18556 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9CA@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] midi-locked delays and stuff Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:29:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29D12.4F285290" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29D12.4F285290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Yes- my bandmate has delay warble issues when midi synced- it is the one thing that keeps me from getting one- we have tried many different midi sources with same problem- my 2 TC boxes connected to same midi never warble.<< damn and blast from this quarter also. I have the non-midi dl4 and a bunch of boxes that are supposed to be able to run midi-synced delays (sx700, that sort of thing). I was hoping that the dl4-pro would be better at it than my other boxes... I have an audity synth module that glitches when the delay is midi-clocked. the sx700 does the same. it doesn't seem to matter where I locate them in my admittedly complex midi setup. the only boxes I have that do midi-locked delay without stuttering and glitching are the korg electribes, and you need to set them up to process the incoming audio in other ways that you might not want or need, in order to use the delay on external inputs. still, they're cheap. oh, and the jam-mans do a decent job too, but they're not really echo boxes as such... :-) I'm hoping the adrenalinn will be good at this effect.... anyone know? and has anyone had their jam-man fitted w/ bob's new software? I'm definitely up for trying it, especially the "melotron" mode, since I can a-b it with a real mellotron, for all the use that is..... duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. 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>>Yes- my bandmate has delay warble issues when mid= i synced- it is the one
thing that keeps me from getting one- we have tried many= different midi
sources with same problem- my 2 TC boxes connected to sa= me midi never
warble.<<

damn and blast from this quarter also. I have the non-mid= i dl4 and a bunch of boxes that are supposed to be able to run midi-synced = delays (sx700, that sort of thing). I was hoping that the dl4-pro would be = better at it than my other boxes...

I have an audity synth module that glitches when the dela= y is midi-clocked. the sx700 does the same. it doesn't seem to matter where= I locate them in my admittedly complex midi setup. the only boxes I have t= hat do midi-locked delay without stuttering and glitching are the korg elec= tribes, and you need to set them up to process the incoming audio in other = ways that you might not want or need, in order to use the delay on external= inputs. still, they're cheap. oh, and the jam-mans do a decent job too, bu= t they're not really echo boxes as such... :-)

I'm hoping the adrenalinn will be good at this effect....= anyone know?
and has anyone had their jam-man fitted w/ bob's new sof= tware? I'm definitely up for trying it, especially the "melotron"= mode, since I can a-b it with a real mellotron, for all the use that is...= ..

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29D12.4F285290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 05:44:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29119; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 05:40:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 05:40:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039171243!19043 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9CB@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: line 6 echo pro, mod pro, and filter pro - $299!!! Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:34:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29D13.19294630" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29D13.19294630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>they don't offer the realtime control which you get built into the foot pedal version<< WHAT?? but that's the best bit! if you haven't tried using an expression pedal with the dl4 or any of it's relatives, you are missing out bigtime. here's a hint, though: they want you to buy the pedal from them, but you can buy a normal cheap expression pedal for $25 and all you need to do is reverse the tip and ring connections inside the plug. the line 6 boxes will "morph" between two snapshots of the knob positions, so you can alter mix, tweak, delay time, repeats, tweez.... the two sets of positions are saved w/ the preset too. how could they miss that off?? duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29D13.19294630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: line 6 echo pro, mod pro, and filter pro - $299!!!</T= ITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>>they don't offer the realtime control which you g= et built into the foot pedal version<<</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>WHAT??</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>but that's the best bit! if you haven't tried using an ex= pression pedal with the dl4 or any of it's relatives, you are missing out b= igtime. here's a hint, though: they want you to buy the pedal from them, bu= t you can buy a normal cheap expression pedal for $25 and all you need to d= o is reverse the tip and ring connections inside the plug. the line 6 boxes= will "morph" between two snapshots of the knob positions, so you= can alter mix, tweak, delay time, repeats, tweez.... the two sets of posit= ions are saved w/ the preset too.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>how could they miss that off??</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>duncan. </FONT> </P> <BR> <CODE><FONT SIZE=3D3><BR> <BR> ***************************************************************************= <BR> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE<BR> <BR> The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user<BR> of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also<BR> be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may <BR> not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it<BR> in any form whatsoever.<BR> If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender<BR> by replying to this message.<BR> <BR> MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from<BR> external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct <BR> and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.<BR> <BR> MTV Networks Europe<BR> ***************************************************************************= <BR> </FONT></CODE> </BODY> </HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29D13.19294630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 07:33:04 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04473; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:24:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:24:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <tosleeptodienomore@supereva.it> Message-ID: <001a01c29d22$7d8df760$c1fcabd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" <tosleeptodienomore@supereva.it> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9CA@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Digitech Gnx3 (electrix repeater still needed!) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:24:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <Op7Lx.A.zFB.1bJ89@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/27567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, i've found , thank to Gary (wonderful person), informations about Digitech Gnx3... I never saw you talk about it so i think maybe someone of you can be interested on it. I visited the site, downloaded manual, and wrote to users found on harmony central. It seems very interesting, as a rc-20 but with 8 separate tracks for looping, undo, effects, amp simulation, cabinet simulation, and also act as a multitrack recorder, with up to 128 mb smart card to extend sample time (with 3 sampling frequencies available)!!! You can also merge tracks, if you have all 8 full, you can merge in one of these even if it is full too. And you can continue so. You can control each track volume and other parameters. Well, no time stretch, no several loop position to do loop cueing, and it seems that in loop mode, jamman based, the loop lenght is decided by the first track recorded. So if you record a short drum you will NOT be able to record a long solo after. No multiply or similar. But i'm wondering about a possibility: in multitrack mode you record a track, then another etc. Then You have a song. I think a song is even just one track. So, for playback there is an option: song repeat mode. In this mode playback of that song repeats continuesly. It seems as a loop in some way. It seems from the manual (they allow manual download as Roland does not, but, as Roland, they has an orrible customer service) that it is possible while the song is playbacking in repeat mode to record other tracks. And i'm wondering if i can use this espedient to have not the loop lenght decided by the first track. I explain: if in multitrack mode you can record a short track on track one and a long one, after, on track two, if you record a short track on track one, play it back in repeat mode as a loop, and then record a long one on track two, you should have the loop lenght adapting to track two... But digitech support wasn't very helpfull at all in understanding this... Anyway... Sergio p.s.: I've asked if someone could sell me a repeater. I said no to many people because i had said yes to one of you. Unfortunately he changed idea and posted it without telling anything to me and when i fount out this and i asked why he told he did a mistake to do such a good price to me. I'm surprised as for some people it seems that the fact that they are not seen through the screen make them think that there is not ethics anymore... I don't think so, i respect people and what i say to them. So,now thanks to him i'm without repeater because other people sold their one, and on ebay actually there are only for shipping within US. If Gnx3 could have time stretch and could have a multiply or being able in multitrack mode + song repeat activated to allow me to record a long solo after a short drum, i would not need a repeater maybe. But it seems not able to do this. And so, i still need a repeater. Please contact me privately if anybody has got one... And please, tell me if you change idea! Ciao, Sergio Excuse my emotive outlet From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 07:46:21 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05533; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:42:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:42:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <goddard.duncan@mtvne.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039178523!29029 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9D1@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] (electrix repeater still needed!) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:36:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29D24.0C8743D0" Resent-Message-ID: <zFvx3B.A.XWB.isJ89@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/27568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29D24.0C8743D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Excuse my emotive outlet<< consider yourself excused. I can only say I consider myself very fortunate a) to have 2 repeaters and b) not to have been fucked about by the guy who sold me the second one recently. sergio, you have my sympathy. it's a damn shame the repeater can't do loops of different lengths at the same time, not even exact multiples or divisions. that's exactly why I decided I needed two. and they look cool in the same flight-case. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>>Excuse my emotive outlet<<

consider yourself excused. I can only say I consider myse= lf very fortunate a) to have 2 repeaters and b) not to have been fucked abo= ut by the guy who sold me the second one recently. sergio, you have my symp= athy.

it's a damn shame the repeater can't do loops of differen= t lengths at the same time, not even exact multiples or divisions. that's e= xactly why I decided I needed two. and they look cool in the same flight-ca= se.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29D24.0C8743D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 08:51:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11486; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:44:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:44:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014c01c29d2d$ad20eae0$c1fcabd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9D1@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: [looper's] (electrix repeater still needed!) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:45:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > consider yourself excused. I can only say I consider myself very fortunate a) to have 2 repeaters and b) not to have been fucked about by the guy who sold me the second one recently. sergio, you have my sympathy. > it's a damn shame the repeater can't do loops of different lengths at the same time, not even exact multiples or divisions. that's exactly why I decided I needed two. and they look cool in the same flight-case. > > duncan/r.m.i. Yes, I envy You (i said right? Sometimes it bore me to search in the dictionary...) Even if if i were rich as i am not at all i would buy one repeater and one echoplex... I'm unfortunate at all. Before than with this guy i had to buy it from another guy. It was an high price for me but being in europe i would have had no taxes nor an incredible shipping. I was at that time still searching all over the internet, believ me, as a crazy, all night, without sleeping (you should see my eyes) i corrupted my trusted dealer who corrupted his trusted roland distributor who forwarde a letter of mine to roland tecnicians. I had, to all my many question this answer "It is impossible to answer to all your question". So, they didn't answered neither to just one. I was in a hurry because my dealer wanted to know with what i had to change myrc-20, and that guy wanted to know if i had to by repeater. I was not doing double play, no, i've searched in the dictionay, mine was a litteral translation, so i have to say: i was not double-crossing anybody. Infact inever said "yes" to that guy. I asked "could you wait a little for me. Hey, you have to know, i'm not a musician, not a looper, now i understand that some people live buing adn selling all the time repeater on ebay, it seem to be the new fashion of the century, buying and selling again repeater, or someone seems to have so much hurry to seel his own, as if it was an atomic bomb. I did'n knew, and with all my ingenuity i thought that that guy was able to just wait some day. Well, he never answered. I thought it was a silence confirmation, i thought that if the answer was "no" he could have just told me. Few days after, when receiving negative answer from bastard roland tecnician (i hate them, sorry), i wrote him "ok, i'll buy it". He wrote me "i sold it, sometimes you just have to decide, they don't do it anymore". Fuck, but are you human you all looper? Why there is all this absurd play with buying and selling repeater, why speculating? Why who own one feel to be the master of the universe and treat who want to buy his repeater as if it was his personal slave??? I'm quite young, quite out from all politic and commercial things. And the more i go into them, the more i would like to return a child... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 09:26:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15768; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:20:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:20:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c29947$2d2ce580$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9CA@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: [looper's] midi-locked delays and stuff Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:37:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C29914.E23E8920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C29914.E23E8920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] midi-locked delays and stuffhmmm, if anyone thinks of it, = could one of you with a "line 6 echo pro" sync to midi in reverse mode = and let me know if there is a warble. It would seem to me that because = of the "sampleresque" quality of this effect, it would be able to sync = that particular function without a glitch. btw, both my fireworx and = my mpx-2g synch delays and other mods without a hint of glitch when i = sync to my EDP. (not so with my repeater, of course, but then that = thing was born to follow). man, this reverse delay deal is driving me nuts. i bought a danelectro = backtalk and found a rythmic quality to it that is really amazing, but = due to the nature of the effect, it does not follow you, you follow it = and there is no way to sync to anything. it blew my mind that my = fireworx wouln't sync the reverse delay time (it seems so obvious). = does anyone know where i can get this effect synced? i've checked = everywhere and the echo pro seems like the only one. lmk lance www.chanceinformation.info ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C29914.E23E8920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] midi-locked delays and stuff
hmmm, if anyone = thinks of it,=20 could one of you with a "line 6 echo pro" sync to midi in reverse mode = and let=20 me know if there is a warble.   It would seem to me that = because of=20 the "sampleresque" quality of this effect, it would be able to sync = that=20 particular function without a glitch.   btw, both my fireworx = and my=20 mpx-2g synch delays and other mods without a hint of glitch when i sync = to my=20 EDP.   (not so with my repeater, of course, but then that = thing was=20 born to follow).
 
man, this reverse=20 delay deal is driving me nuts.   i bought a danelectro = backtalk=20 and found a rythmic quality to it that is really amazing, but due to the = nature=20 of the effect, it does not follow you, you follow it and there is no way = to sync=20 to anything.   it blew my mind that my fireworx wouln't sync = the=20 reverse delay time (it seems so obvious).   does anyone know = where i=20 can get this effect synced?   i've checked everywhere and the = echo pro=20 seems like the only one.
 
lmk
lance
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C29914.E23E8920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 09:40:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16597; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:33:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:33:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c29948$fbb47d40$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9D1@LON-MAIL07> <014c01c29d2d$ad20eae0$c1fcabd4@tin.it> Subject: Re: [looper's] (electrix repeater still needed!) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:50:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com man i sympathize, mister. all i can say is that they seem to come in waves. when i bought mine about four months ago, i got it at $499 mint. since then, i watched the ebay market skyrocket to original retail price+ and back down again to nothing. i don't envy you. lance www.chanceinformation.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 10:06:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20422; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:01:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:01:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019f01c29d38$724d6780$c1fcabd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9D1@LON-MAIL07> <014c01c29d2d$ad20eae0$c1fcabd4@tin.it> <005501c29948$fbb47d40$69894682@lance> Subject: Re: [looper's] (electrix repeater still needed!) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:02:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com . when i bought mine about four months ago, i got it at $499 mint. > since then, i watched the ebay market skyrocket to original retail price+ > and back down again to nothing. i don't envy you. > > lance This can explain why that second guy thought that 500 was the price. I had pourposes for 600 or more, a high price for me, considering how much i get from my work at the moment, and considering 100 c.ca of shipping and maybe taxes... So i thought he was making me a pleasure. Probably he just went on ebay and saw he could have got more. At the moment he seem not able to get much more... Anyway, i have to ask excuses again (too many excuses today from me, isn't it... in these days i'm a vulcano of emotions. I never was a violent person, never. But whene that guy posted on ebay i was so sad, tired, demotivated, disillused, disgusted an angry, that for the first time in my life i had a crisis and i kicked and brock things in my room screaming out. It was impressive, now i can't believe i did it. I need to sleep, i missed to many night, but everybody put me in a hurry in this period...), excuses, i was saying, because in my last mail i said "are you human you all looper", but it was not what i wanted to say,i really have nothing to you all, it was a lapsus, i don't know, a mistake. I just would like to find the right machine, would like all this searching and asking prices to end as soon as possible, and that then i can sleep till repeater arrives here, and then just to start sperimenting... Bye... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 11:00:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23772; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:51:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:51:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008301c29953$df942b00$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9D1@LON-MAIL07> <014c01c29d2d$ad20eae0$c1fcabd4@tin.it> <005501c29948$fbb47d40$69894682@lance> <019f01c29d38$724d6780$c1fcabd4@tin.it> Subject: Re: [looper's] (electrix repeater still needed!) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:08:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com damn, boy. you sound like me, you compulsive gear headed freak : ) i was the same way. i'm not sure what you are going for, but there are parts of the EDP that i still like better. if you are doing dance electronica ect..., however, the repeater probably is the best choice IMHO. (i have both, teehee) lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amleto" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [looper's] (electrix repeater still needed!) > . when i bought mine about four months ago, i got it at $499 mint. > > since then, i watched the ebay market skyrocket to original retail price+ > > and back down again to nothing. i don't envy you. > > > > lance > > This can explain why that second guy thought that 500 was the price. I had > pourposes for 600 or more, a high price for me, considering how much i get > from my work at the moment, and considering 100 c.ca of shipping and maybe > taxes... So i thought he was making me a pleasure. Probably he just went on > ebay and saw he could have got more. At the moment he seem not able to get > much more... Anyway, i have to ask excuses again (too many excuses today > from me, isn't it... in these days i'm a vulcano of emotions. I never was a > violent person, never. But whene that guy posted on ebay i was so sad, > tired, demotivated, disillused, disgusted an angry, that for the first time > in my life i had a crisis and i kicked and brock things in my room screaming > out. It was impressive, now i can't believe i did it. I need to sleep, i > missed to many night, but everybody put me in a hurry in this period...), > excuses, i was saying, because in my last mail i said "are you human you all > looper", but it was not what i wanted to say,i really have nothing to you > all, it was a lapsus, i don't know, a mistake. > I just would like to find the right machine, would like all this searching > and asking prices to end as soon as possible, and that then i can sleep till > repeater arrives here, and then just to start sperimenting... > Bye... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 11:26:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26546; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:16:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:16:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:16:15 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Digitech Gnx3 (electrix repeater still needed!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02a901c29d42$cd07fb90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9CA@LON-MAIL07> <001a01c29d22$7d8df760$c1fcabd4@tin.it> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i just bought a gnx3 and as far as i can tell, the song length is always the length of track 1. as a looper, it is even simpler than a dl4, though it is cool to have several tracks. it seems you can't go directly from recording the initial loop into overdub, either. this requires two presses of record, one to set loop length and another to start recording again on the same track pressing play to set loop length arms the next track for recording maybe they will improve this in a software update... > And i'm wondering if i can use this espedient to have not the loop lenght > decided by the first track. I explain: if in multitrack mode you can record > a short track on track one and a long one, after, on track two, if you > record a short track on track one, play it back in repeat mode as a loop, > and then record a long one on track two, you should have the loop lenght > adapting to track two... > But digitech support wasn't very helpfull at all in understanding this... > Anyway... > Sergio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 11:27:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26770; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:18:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:18:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c29d41$f9e0f5a0$7f4c863e@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9CB@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: line 6 echo pro, mod pro, and filter pro - $299!!! Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:10:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0072_01C29D4A.52CE7CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C29D4A.52CE7CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: line 6 echo pro, mod pro, and filter pro - $299!!! >> but you can buy a normal cheap expression pedal for $25 and all you = need to do is reverse the tip and ring connections >>inside the plug. = the line 6 boxes will "morph" between two snapshots of the knob = positions, so you can alter mix, tweak, >>delay time, repeats, tweez.... = the two sets of positions are saved w/ the preset too. ...you don't even have to. I found out that it works even by = connecting the output jack of an average volume pedal=20 to the exp. pedal input with a mono jack instrument cable ... ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C29D4A.52CE7CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: line 6 echo pro, mod pro, and filter = pro - $299!!!
 

>> but you can buy a normal cheap expression = pedal for=20 $25 and all you need to do is reverse the tip and ring connections=20 >>inside the plug. the line 6 boxes will "morph" between two = snapshots=20 of the knob positions, so you can alter mix, tweak, >>delay = time,=20 repeats, tweez.... the two sets of positions are saved w/ the preset=20 too.

...you don't even have = to. I found=20 out that it works even by connecting the output jack of an average = volume=20 pedal

to the exp. pedal input = with a mono=20 jack instrument cable ...

------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C29D4A.52CE7CC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 11:51:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29419; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:43:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:43:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 08:40:55 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: [looper's] midi-locked delays and stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DF0D317.5436268F@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9CA@LON-MAIL07> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's sad. I wonder what the problem is? I've heard it's hard to synch a loop (which the Line6 doesn't even try to do) to MIDI but I've seen the delay thing work so many times I figured it wasn't that much of an issue. I've had good luck with the AdrenaLinn. I really like it. I've also had good luck with the Lexicon MPX500 and MPX1. I also really like the simple, but highly tweakable Electrix MoFX. All the time based effects on my Roland XV-5050 seem to synch fine. Has anyone bought the new Korg KAOSS pad yet? I'm really interested. Mark Sottilaro goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I'm hoping the adrenalinn will be good at this effect.... anyone know? > > and has anyone had their jam-man fitted w/ bob's new software? I'm > definitely up for trying it, especially the "melotron" mode, since I > can a-b it with a real mellotron, for all the use that is..... > > duncan/r.m.i. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 12:03:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30175; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:52:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:52:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 08:49:26 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Digitech Gnx3 (electrix repeater still needed!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DF0D516.5AFB42AB@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9CA@LON-MAIL07> <001a01c29d22$7d8df760$c1fcabd4@tin.it> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently had an issue (my fault) about installing a new OS in my Roland MC-307. I called Roland customer service and with a minimum of phone button pushing, I was talking to a very knowledgeable person who really understood my gear and was ready to help. He emailed me the files I needed a few minutes after we got off the phone. For customer service I thought they were great. Mark Sottilaro Amleto wrote: > > not, but, as Roland, they(Digitech) has an orrible customer service) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 12:13:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00651; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:12:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:12:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 11:12:04 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Quantize in Record Mode To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02eb01c29d4a$99b1eaf0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <-RHEFB.A.FK.mpN89@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i may be misunderstanding you, but i think loop iv does this already, though only to 8th notes just press undo while in reset and you can set a tempo with the feedback knob. without something synched to keep time, it is hard to stay with it, though... read the tempo select section in the loop iv upgrade manual for more info. you can get it here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html > Hey...does anyone know if you can Quantize (to say the nearest 16th or 32nd > note) > while in Record Mode when setting up your first loop on the EDP? > > If the answer is using a drum machine as a clock... > My next question would be....could the software (Loop IV) be modified to > provide that option internally? > > My third question would be if the drum machine as clock is the only way to > go > where would I find the info on it? > > Thanks, > Arthur Lee > www.arthurleemusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 12:47:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02627; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:41:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:41:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-18.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039195446!49320 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9D7@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] OT re roland Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:18:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29D4B.714C9EB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29D4B.714C9EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I called Roland customer service........For customer service I thought they were great.<< I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here- you're not in europe, right? I had the right service sheets and part numbers for a juno 106 that had been damaged by liquid ingress and written off by the synthesizer "service" centre in london. I ordered the cpu chip. it took 60 days, by boat, from japan. when it came, it had a different part number than what I'd ordered. roland uk said "ah, yes. we changed the cpu for a different sort. you need to fit external memory too, there's a space on the board." another 60 days goes by.... then finally sleeping beauty wakes up and reveals lost voices, voice allocation issues &c&c... the whole thing took about a year. but that first conversation with them took over six weeks of enquiries to get to it's point. meanwhile, from yamaha, I've got schemos and parts (all in stock in the uk) for a cs30 some six years older than the 106. and weren't the 106's built in italy in the first place? I'm not even going to mention my more recent conversations re my vs880 (retired). won't buy roland anymore. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29D4B.714C9EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] OT re roland

>>I called Roland customer service........For custo= mer service I thought they were great.<<

I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here- you're no= t in europe, right?

I had the right service sheets and part numbers for a jun= o 106 that had been damaged by liquid ingress and written off by the synthe= sizer "service" centre in london. I ordered the cpu chip. it took= 60 days, by boat, from japan. when it came, it had a different part number= than what I'd ordered. roland uk said "ah, yes. we changed the cpu fo= r a different sort. you need to fit external memory too, there's a space on= the board." another 60 days goes by.... then finally sleeping beauty = wakes up and reveals lost voices, voice allocation issues &c&c... t= he whole thing took about a year.

but that first conversation with them took over six weeks= of enquiries to get to it's point. meanwhile, from yamaha, I've got schemo= s and parts (all in stock in the uk) for a cs30 some six years older than t= he 106.

and weren't the 106's built in italy in the first place?<= /FONT>

I'm not even going to mention my more recent conversation= s re my vs880 (retired). won't buy roland anymore.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29D4B.714C9EB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 13:11:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06382; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:09:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:09:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DF0E8DF.5402627C@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:13:52 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP: Quantize in Record Mode References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <95iOa.A.ojB.FfO89@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If your syncing to a drum machine or sequencer use a tempo that is twice as fast as you want it. ie. 200bpm instead of 100bpm. Then 8ths will actually be 16ths. This is also a good method for sequencing when you want to record more nuanced parts and want to have more resolution. k ARTHUR LEE MUSIC wrote: > Hey...does anyone know if you can Quantize (to say the nearest 16th or 32nd > note) > while in Record Mode when setting up your first loop on the EDP? > > If the answer is using a drum machine as a clock... > My next question would be....could the software (Loop IV) be modified to > provide that option internally? > > My third question would be if the drum machine as clock is the only way to > go > where would I find the info on it? > > Thanks, > Arthur Lee > www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 13:29:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07880; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:24:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:24:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:24:14 -0800 Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro: trash? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9DF10A06-0892-11D7-AC2C-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1HYQ_C.A.C7B.QtO89@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com $50 plus the cost of a foot controller. I'm tempted and then I'm not tempted because I find the footswitches on my Line6 pedals pretty convenient. Mark on 12/5/02 12:46 PM, Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) at loopers-delight@solostring.com wrote: > Bloody hell, I've just checked the site.... $299???? Its only $50 more > expensive than the DL4!!!! > > Snap 'em up guys.... :) Its a bargain. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 13:33:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08388; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:27:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:27:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.171.236.123] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping venues in NYC Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 13:26:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2002 18:26:59.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[106C28E0:01C29D55] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I want to start doing some solo Stick/Loop/Noise gigs around town. Can anyone recommend any spaces in NY that will welcome this? The few “new” music places I have tried seem to be controlled /monopolized by the Tzadik crowd & thus no luck yet. :( Thanks Lou _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 14:04:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10961; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:58:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:58:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f501c2996d$fa6f5340$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9CA@LON-MAIL07> <3DF0D317.5436268F@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: [looper's] midi-locked delays and stuff Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:15:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't have the new one, but I had the old one and loved it for the twenty minutes that I was able to use it before frying the line inputs. Up until that point i really liked it. I haven't used it as a control device. Are the new ones supposed to be a little more hardy. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [looper's] midi-locked delays and stuff > That's sad. I wonder what the problem is? I've heard it's hard to > synch a loop (which the Line6 doesn't even try to do) to MIDI but I've > seen the delay thing work so many times I figured it wasn't that much of > an issue. > > I've had good luck with the AdrenaLinn. I really like it. I've also > had good luck with the Lexicon MPX500 and MPX1. I also really like the > simple, but highly tweakable Electrix MoFX. All the time based effects > on my Roland XV-5050 seem to synch fine. Has anyone bought the new Korg > KAOSS pad yet? I'm really interested. > > Mark Sottilaro > > goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > I'm hoping the adrenalinn will be good at this effect.... anyone know? > > > > and has anyone had their jam-man fitted w/ bob's new software? I'm > > definitely up for trying it, especially the "melotron" mode, since I > > can a-b it with a real mellotron, for all the use that is..... > > > > duncan/r.m.i. > www.chanceinformation.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 14:32:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14476; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:29:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:29:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.171.0.230] User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 13:27:13 -0600 Subject: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater From: Stendek To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2002 19:28:45.0339 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1634EB0:01C29D5D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know if the Repeater has better sound quality than the Boss Loop Station? If so, does the Repeater have a function where loop layers can be erased while previous loops still remain intact during live looping? These are definitely my biggest compaints about the Loop Station, and I have seen the Repeater on Ebay and was wondering if I should get one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 14:44:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15780; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:40:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:40:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c29d61$0d396910$a2a45e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: Subject: Re: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:52:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater has 4 tracks per loop, so you can erase/modify "layers" that way... Dav > Does anyone know if the Repeater has better sound quality than the Boss Loop > Station? If so, does the Repeater have a function where loop layers can be > erased while previous loops still remain intact during live looping? These > are definitely my biggest compaints about the Loop Station, and I have seen > the Repeater on Ebay and was wondering if I should get one. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 15:12:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18837; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:07:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:07:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.171.0.230] User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 14:05:48 -0600 Subject: Re: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater From: Stendek To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005e01c29d61$0d396910$a2a45e82@audiows> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2002 20:07:17.0941 (UTC) FILETIME=[13CE5E50:01C29D63] Resent-Message-ID: <5OKxhD.A.PmE.UOQ89@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 12/6/02 1:52 PM, "David Auker" wrote: > Repeater has 4 tracks per loop, so you can erase/modify "layers" that way... > > Dav > >> Does anyone know if the Repeater has better sound quality than the Boss > Loop >> Station? If so, does the Repeater have a function where loop layers can be >> erased while previous loops still remain intact during live looping? These >> are definitely my biggest compaints about the Loop Station, and I have > seen >> the Repeater on Ebay and was wondering if I should get one. >> >> > So say I am on stage, I lay down a loop, it sounds good. Then I overdub something on top of it, but it turns into a mistake. Is it possible to remove this mistake while the loop is still playing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 15:17:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19662; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:15:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:15:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013901c29978$ae21c850$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: Subject: Re: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:31:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yup undo function doesn't have layer over layer of undo like the EDP and you have to stop recording and start again or you will undo everything. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stendek" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:05 PM Subject: Re: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater > On 12/6/02 1:52 PM, "David Auker" wrote: > > > Repeater has 4 tracks per loop, so you can erase/modify "layers" that way... > > > > Dav > > > >> Does anyone know if the Repeater has better sound quality than the Boss > > Loop > >> Station? If so, does the Repeater have a function where loop layers can be > >> erased while previous loops still remain intact during live looping? These > >> are definitely my biggest compaints about the Loop Station, and I have > > seen > >> the Repeater on Ebay and was wondering if I should get one. > >> > >> > > > So say I am on stage, I lay down a loop, it sounds good. Then I overdub > something on top of it, but it turns into a mistake. Is it possible to > remove this mistake while the loop is still playing? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 15:26:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20313; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:22:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:22:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ea01c29d65$690099e0$f091ef18@earthlink.net> From: "Sarth" To: Subject: RE: who likes kyma? Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:23:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C29D3B.7FDE46A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C29D3B.7FDE46A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone who is interested in Kyma for live looping: I use kyma as my main live performance sound source, but for SERIOUS = LOOPING there is a $300 mod being sold independently at greenteasoftware.com = which transforms the kyma sound design workstation into what is probably = the ultimate looping monstrosity the world has ever seen. I wouldn't know though, 'cause I haven't gotten my copy yet. -- Sarth ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C29D3B.7FDE46A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone who is interested in Kyma for = live=20 looping:
 
I use kyma as my main live performance = sound=20 source, but for SERIOUS LOOPING
 
there is a $300 mod being sold = independently at=20 greenteasoftware.com which transforms the kyma sound design workstation = into=20 what is probably the ultimate looping monstrosity the world has ever=20 seen.
 
I wouldn't know though, 'cause I = haven't gotten my=20 copy yet.
 
-- Sarth
------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C29D3B.7FDE46A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 15:37:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20820; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:29:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:29:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.18.150] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [looper's] midi-locked delays and stuff Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 20:28:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2002 20:28:57.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A526E30:01C29D66] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have my JamDude loaded with Bob Sellon's latest software, and have found it to be a remarkable improvement over the original's "limitations". Yes, you can run simultaneous parallel loops, each with it's own fade (non-destructable, so you can fade the stuff back in too, as well as fade loops to varying levels and overdub onto them), mute, replace, reverse,pan, and an internal, pre-loop, tap delay. It allows for a lot more interaction with the loops, as well as making "evolving" loop performances possible (as opposed to the original's limited "play over a static loop endlessly" function, or the "fill it up to a ridiculously dense mix and kill it" a.k.a "Kim's nightmare function"). All of the loops can be panned in a stereo field, which while not be true stereo looping, is nonetheless very cool. And...al of this is controlable "sans-midi" (via two three button footswitches), which is very good as even though the new software has improved the versatilty and functions of the JamMan, the midi implementation is still prone to latency. All well and good, and greatly improves the usefulness of this instrument, but no, it does not turn the JamBoy into a Repeater or EDP....tho I am so eager to integrate it into a setup WITH an EDP, which for me is coming soon! I have had great success using midi-locked delays with the JamMan and my TC M-One, which seems to read the JamMan's Midi clock incredibly well, and placing the M-one after the JamMan allows for some truely wonderful delay-displaced rhythmic loops, and real-time rhythmic "morphing" of loops. I am quite curious about the Adenalinn, as this sounds like a very remarkable little box, and am considering picking one up if just for the filters and "mangling" potential. Mark seems to have gotten quite a bit of mileage out of his....please tell me more. > > goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > > > I'm hoping the adrenalinn will be good at this effect.... anyone know? > > > > > > and has anyone had their jam-man fitted w/ bob's new software? I'm > > > definitely up for trying it, especially the "melotron" mode, since I > > > can a-b it with a real mellotron, for all the use that is..... > > > > > > duncan/r.m.i. > > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 16:01:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23159; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:56:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:56:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:56:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:05 PM -0600 12/6/02, Stendek wrote: >So say I am on stage, I lay down a loop, it sounds good. Then I overdub >something on top of it, but it turns into a mistake. Is it possible to >remove this mistake while the loop is still playing? As long as you've recorded it into another track, yes. It's worth noting that the Echoplex can also do this with its undo function. -C -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 16:12:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25787; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:11:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:11:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DF113A6.B62F96FE@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 15:16:21 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP: Quantize in Record Mode References: <3DF0E8DF.5402627C@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PS. you might have to shift the time signature on the sequencer.......4/4 = 8/4 0R 4/2 etc. till you get the down beat (clock) you want....this is, by the way, before you begin to create anything on the sequencer Kirby Shelstad wrote: > If your syncing to a drum machine or sequencer use a tempo that is twice as > fast as you want it. ie. 200bpm instead of 100bpm. Then 8ths will actually be > 16ths. This is also a good method for sequencing when you want to record more > nuanced parts and want to have more resolution. > > k > > ARTHUR LEE MUSIC wrote: > > > Hey...does anyone know if you can Quantize (to say the nearest 16th or 32nd > > note) > > while in Record Mode when setting up your first loop on the EDP? > > > > If the answer is using a drum machine as a clock... > > My next question would be....could the software (Loop IV) be modified to > > provide that option internally? > > > > My third question would be if the drum machine as clock is the only way to > > go > > where would I find the info on it? > > > > Thanks, > > Arthur Lee > > www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 16:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25445; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:08:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:08:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c29d6b$94b7cc10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:08:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <7tUTZC.A.fNG.ZHR89@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chiming in with my $0.02 worth...the Looper Construction Kit also provides an Undo which sounds very similar to the EDP (though it works differently internally) as well as a Redo that undoes the undo. You can also perform an Insert into a loop similar to the EDP's Insert. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Muir" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 3:56 PM Subject: Re: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater > At 2:05 PM -0600 12/6/02, Stendek wrote: > >So say I am on stage, I lay down a loop, it sounds good. Then I overdub > >something on top of it, but it turns into a mistake. Is it possible to > >remove this mistake while the loop is still playing? > > As long as you've recorded it into another track, yes. > > It's worth noting that the Echoplex can also do this with its undo function. > > -C > > -- > http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between > cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 16:17:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26295; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:15:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:15:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011d01c29d6b$e9f675a0$38f15cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #298 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:09:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #298 December 5, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Jonn Serrie, a defining pioneer of the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was "And the Stars Go With You" reissued on the New World Music label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra" by Synergy (a.k.a. Larry Fast) on the Passport Records label. Jonn Serrie http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#dec PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Synergy Synergy Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra (Passport Records) Redshift Siren part 4 Siren (Distant Sun) Redshift Siren part 5 Siren (Distant Sun) Andy Pickford and Ramayana part 1 Ramayana (Neu Harmony) Paul Nagle Under the Dome Keto-Eno Tautomerism Bellerophon (Neu Harmony) Under the Dome Nightfall Bellerophon (Neu Harmony) Mike Andrews Tides of Time (Intro) Time & Science (Neu Harmony) Mike Andrews Tides of Time (part 1) Time & Science (Neu Harmony) Steve Roach All Is Now part 1 All Is Now (Timeroom Editions) 12:00 am Jonn Serrie Gentle, The Night And the Stars Go With You (New World Music) Jonn Serrie Fantasy Passages And the Stars Go With You (New World Music) Jonn Serrie And the Stars Go With And the Stars Go With You (New You World Music) Jonn Serrie And With You 2 And the Stars Go With You (New (bonus track) World Music) Jonn Serrie The Far River And the Stars Go With You (New World Music) Jonn Serrie Stratos And the Stars Go With You (New World Music) Steve Roach Darkest Before Dawn * Darkest Before Dawn (Timeroom Editions) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Planetary Chronicles Volume 1" on the Miramar label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Sequencer" by Synergy, a.k.a. Larry Fast, on the Passport label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 16:36:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27481; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:33:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:33:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 15:31:40 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: who likes kyma? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <039801c29d6e$ddb475f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00ea01c29d65$690099e0$f091ef18@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I use kyma as my main live performance sound source, what are you using to control the kyma in your live rig? > but for SERIOUS LOOPING > > there is a $300 mod being sold independently at greenteasoftware.com which transforms the kyma sound design workstation into what is > probably the ultimate looping monstrosity the world has ever seen. it is indeed. > > I wouldn't know though, 'cause I haven't gotten my copy yet. > > -- Sarth soon... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 18:11:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04357; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:02:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:02:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c29d7d$40471bb0$c1a45e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: Subject: Re: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:14:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater's Undo completely erases the most recent overdub, and if you know it's going to be a mistake, you can get rid of it before it comes back at ya. (It also can then Redo) You can end Overdub this way, and the loop plays on, as if nothing happened, except that you are no longer in Record Mode. So, you don't necessarily have to go to another Track to overdub safely...however, if you have recorded onto another track, and decide you don't like a layer on another track, you are out of luck! You can also mix tracks, then erase the track that you no longer need. In addition, you can copy a loop to another location, go there, work/destroy whatever, then return to the original loop. Again, this can all be done on the fly, loop still running. Dav > >So say I am on stage, I lay down a loop, it sounds good. Then I overdub > >something on top of it, but it turns into a mistake. Is it possible to > >remove this mistake while the loop is still playing? > > As long as you've recorded it into another track, yes. > > It's worth noting that the Echoplex can also do this with its undo function. > > -C > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 18:23:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05819; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:21:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:21:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010301c29d7e$57badf60$68f1abd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9CA@LON-MAIL07> <001a01c29d22$7d8df760$c1fcabd4@tin.it> <3DF0D516.5AFB42AB@zerocrossing.net> Subject: roland\digitech customer service (once "Re: Digitech Gnx3 (electrix repeater still needed!)") Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:22:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark wrote: > I called Roland customer service. For customer service I thought they were great. > Well, i don't understand the aim of your affermation, if it was to comunicate your personal fortunate experience or to affirm they ARE, always so kind. That they are NOT always so kind is a fact, you can ask, Goddard say its experience too, you can go on harmony central and check users opinions, also on rolandus site there is a recent post on the message board titled "boss sp-505 and less than poor customer service", i know because i posted two post asking help and never got an answer. Anyway I have to admit to have mistaken to say "they ARE orrible" instead of "they WERE orrible" with me, or with lot of people. Generally all what i say is to be intended as with a understood (or implied?) "generally", but in this case it was not clear. Personally i found out these general rules: by phone they are better than by mail or message board (it's just a pity, or maybe"the reason why", the fact that a phone call to roland tecnical service, at least in italy, costs 1.5$ per minute...) . And, also, rule number two, if you are not someone who already own one of their instrument but you are someone who would like to understand if one of their instrument is good for you before to purchase it (roland doesn't allow manual's downolad. How can someone who lives in a place that is not new york, a place where you can't find particular instruments already in a shop to try them, but you have to order them and to pay them without never have tried them, well, how can this unfortunate person to find out if an instrument is good for him?) and if you write by mail, roland and digitech don't use to answer or answer with few word, cold word, telegrafic words, definitively NOT esaustive words, that leave you , i translate litterally from italian, "more confused than persuaded", as if you bore them, if they have better things to do (i don't write to the president, but to customer service, they should have NOT something better to do. They could have something else to do, but personally i think that customere service can't be bad only because thy have got lot of questions from lot of people. They have got lot of money too. They should adopt a economic politic that allow them to grown in yoga -yoga mean unity of all the componet parts- so not to grown only in selling but also in taking care of people to whom they sold as also of people to whom they could sell, by, for example, putting more people, and more warm and patient people, to answer to phone calls and mails) as if humanity and warmness is not a part of professionality. Look at how warm human and funny while also clear is electrix repeater manual, and how they answer on the message board, you will find out how professionality meet kindness, warmness, humanity, sense of humor. Similar for line6, for that few i saw. Maybe i am wrong, i mistook all, but i always thought to live on planet Earth, not on Vulcano (do you remember spok from star treck, the man all logic no feelings no emotions?), and i think that you can NOT and you must not separe emotions from logic. Roland and many others (as bigger they are, as powerful and sure of their future on the marked they are, as more they are cold and unfriendly, generally!) seem to be a machine who just produce and sell instruments, and nobody know their emotive aim, their e-motivations, if they have got one. They should do it because they love music and musicians, and thay wnat to give musicians a better life. But for how thyact i think their only motivation is just money. And i never trust people who think in terms of money, people to whom i am "customer number tot", and not Sergio Girardi, born on 1\6\76 on Palermo, Italy, with dreams, passions, desires. These people could do bad things, potentially. They could not do them, but they could. Why for example should someone not to give to people a free pdf downloadable manual if not to hide product faults? Anyway, to return to the theme, yes, if you don't own one of their instrument, you'll get no answer or a not-at-all-esaustive cold telegrafic answer. If you call i don't know, i wouldn't call in america, for money and because i write english decently only because i do it slowly and with my dictionary. And in italy both if you own an instrument or if you don't you must call a pay number, and pay more or less 1.5$ each minute... You can write, i did it several times, both for a problem on my new rc-20 and for asking questions on other products. I NEVER got any kind of answer, nor for the product i own nor for the products i don't own. Lately what made me loose tractatives with the first of the two guys who had to sell me a repeater and the changed idea without advertising me was that i wanted to understand if i could have done all what i need with a roland-boss groove machine, or if these machine's looping ability is not as real time and imediate as dedicated loopers is, and so i called the dealer where i bought rc-20, i "bribed" him (or i moved him by arousing pity), he gave me the telephone number of my region's roland distributor, i bribed him, he gave me his mail address, i sended him a mail and he forwarded it to roland italy tecnicians (sicilian people are warm...). Well, to my 35 precise questions they answered "it is impossible to answer to your question esaustively, bla bla bla" and they didn't answered to any of my question inviting me to check on their site, as if i am a stupid who don't do this before to "desturb" them. Now i downloaded gnx3 manual, i needed to know something, i wrote to digitech and i've got criptic answer. I wrote again, they wrote me in a very cold, very short, quite angry way. No kind of "dear Sergio" even if false, no kind of "cordial greetings" (in italy we say so. My dictionary says you say "Yours Truely", but it sounds to me as too much for a tecnician). These are my personal experiences. >From harmony central i saw they are connfirmed by many people. With a difference between roland and digitech: about roland many users say that they are not kind and often not useful nor professional even by phone. Many say they had no problems too. About digitech the most or quite all say that by phone they were kind and helpfull. So, or there are two persons, one that answer to phone one to mails, and the one who answer to mail is payed less, or there is just one person who is analfabet and is unable to write more than two word a time. Or i have a problem with fortune in this period of my life... Yours truely (i'm not a tecnician) SERGIO From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 18:24:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05880; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:21:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:21:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f801c29d7e$52208be0$68f1abd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: References: Subject: Re: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:22:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_iSmE.A.ybB.CET89@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We are in a very similar situation my friend... I hope you will be more fortunate than me... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stendek" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 8:27 PM Subject: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater > Does anyone know if the Repeater has better sound quality than the Boss Loop > Station? If so, does the Repeater have a function where loop layers can be > erased while previous loops still remain intact during live looping? These > are definitely my biggest compaints about the Loop Station, and I have seen > the Repeater on Ebay and was wondering if I should get one. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 18:25:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05843; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:21:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:21:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010e01c29d7e$5b115d60$68f1abd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9CA@LON-MAIL07> <3DF0D317.5436268F@zerocrossing.net> <00f501c2996d$fa6f5340$69894682@lance> Subject: "the perfect looper", an opinion poll... Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:22:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com opinion poll, how much i like my dictionary, eh eh eh... Well, here's my pourpose (ouch! now i find that i always used "pourpose" instead of "proposal", and that pourpose sounds similar to a kind of dolphin!!!): It seems to me that each looper has got something that some other looper miss and viceversa. As if all manufacturers had a summit (i already asid this?) much time ago, and they said "well, lets put down a list of all the features of a perfect looper", and then they draw lots a certain number of them for each manufacturer, so that we have to get crazy to choose... So, send me, privately, or in the list, a list, even long as you want, i'll never be bored, of all the features, tecnicla spec, functions, modes, possibilities that you would like to see all togeter on a perfect loop machine. I will compose all lists adding my personal desires (don't underestimate the point of view of a non looper) and will put down the virtual perfect looper, i will send a copy to you and a copy to all loopers manufacturer... LETS PLAY!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 18:56:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08353; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:53:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:53:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:47:57 -0500 From: Sempai Subject: Re: Looping venues in NYC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006c01c29d82$3bada420$fe762544@user0jd9dje1rf> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is the Tzadik crowd? And why would they make it hard for you? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Rossi" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 1:26 PM Subject: Looping venues in NYC > Hi folks, > > I want to start doing some solo Stick/Loop/Noise gigs around town. Can > anyone recommend any spaces in NY that will welcome this? The few "new" > music places I have tried seem to be controlled /monopolized by the Tzadik > crowd & thus no luck yet. :( > > Thanks > Lou > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 6 23:58:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03154; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:54:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:54:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.71; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 23:53:51 -0500 X-Epoch: 1039236831 X-Sasl-enc: Isx3Q6n6dmlLH8cIR4vq6Q Subject: Re: Looping venues in NYC Message-Id: <20021207045351.8C2891498C@www.fastmail.fm> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id XAA03133 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You might try just socializing with the "Tzadik crowd". I know a girl who moved down to NY and would always meet people after gigs at Tonic and other such places. Soon enough she was playing with Zorn, Ribot, etc. They're not like an ultra-exclusive club or anything. Ernesto On Fri, 06 Dec 2002 13:26:59 -0500, "Louis Rossi" said: > Hi folks, > > I want to start doing some solo Stick/Loop/Noise gigs around town. Can > anyone recommend any spaces in NY that will welcome this? The few “new” > music places I have tried seem to be controlled /monopolized by the > Tzadik > crowd & thus no luck yet. :( > > Thanks > Lou -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 00:13:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05137; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:07:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:07:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:06:56 EST Subject: Re: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater = (KYMA)? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a5.31954d4c.2b22dbf0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a5.31954d4c.2b22dbf0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/02 4:09:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, dennis@mail.worldserver.com writes: > as well as a Redo that undoes the undo help!.....just a quick little pole (sp?).....YES i use midi/NO i do not use midi.....just curious.....everyday i feel more and more like a "folk" looper.....:).....michael --part1_a5.31954d4c.2b22dbf0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/02 4:09:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, dennis@mail.worldserver.com writes:


as well as a Redo that undoes the undo


help!.....just a quick little pole (sp?).....YES i use midi/NO i do not use midi.....just curious.....everyday i feel more and more like a "folk" looper.....:).....michael
--part1_a5.31954d4c.2b22dbf0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 01:03:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09481; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:02:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:02:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <103.2100a353.2b22e8c2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:01:38 EST Subject: Re: "the perfect looper", an opinion poll... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_103.2100a353.2b22e8c2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <-S2-DC.A.DUC.j7Y89@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_103.2100a353.2b22e8c2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/02 6:21:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, tosleeptodienomore@supereva.it writes: > opinion poll sergio.....thanks for showing me how to spell poll, i couldnt come up with that for the life of me.....i only speak english, i cant spell it.....:).....michael --part1_103.2100a353.2b22e8c2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/02 6:21:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, tosleeptodienomore@supereva.it writes:


opinion poll


sergio.....thanks for showing me how to spell poll, i couldnt come up with that for the life of me.....i only speak english, i cant spell it.....:).....michael
--part1_103.2100a353.2b22e8c2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 01:48:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12109; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:39:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:39:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021206234250.0083ccb0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 23:42:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater = (KYMA)? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use midi... Smiles, Cara At 12:06 AM 12/7/02 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/6/02 4:09:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, >dennis@mail.worldserver.com writes: > > > as well as a Redo that undoes the undo > > > help!.....just a quick little pole (sp?).....YES i use midi/NO i do not >use midi.....just curious.....everyday i feel more and more like a "folk" >looper.....:).....michael > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 01:58:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13052; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:53:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:53:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 22:49:21 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater = (KYMA)? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1172878302==_ma============" References: Resent-Message-ID: <42cIWB.A.2LD.irZ89@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1172878302==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 12:06 AM -0500 12/7/02, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >just a quick little pole (sp?).....YES i use midi/NO i do not use midi I render unto MIDI that which is MIDI's. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1172878302==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater = (KYMA)?
At 12:06 AM -0500 12/7/02, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

just a quick little pole (sp?).....YES i use midi/NO i do not use midi

I render unto MIDI that which is MIDI's.
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--============_-1172878302==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 03:35:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21143; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:28:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:28:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 00:25:18 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater = (KYMA)? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DF1B06E.55B0A08E@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do indeed use MIDI every day, and it's such an old system I feel like that's pretty close to naturee at this point. Horse and buggy. I am excited that 2 of my Roland units already talk via usb. One day.... Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 04:21:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26114; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:20:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:20:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:19:44 +0100 Subject: Re: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater = (KYMA)? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DF1B06E.55B0A08E@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <064CD1B2-09C5-11D7-8C27-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 09:25 AM, Mark wrote: > I do indeed use MIDI every day, and it's such an old system I feel like > that's pretty close to naturee at this point. Horse and buggy. I am > excited that 2 of my Roland units already talk via usb. One day.... I use Midi a lot in my current setup, and have been Midi-savvy for about 18 years or so... I love the new USB systems - they make everything so much simpler. I'm just waiting for the day however when everything communicates wirelessly (audio, midi etc.). Just imagine.... no more cables :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 06:45:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04799; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:40:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:40:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <77.3e4d0cf.2b2337fd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:39:41 EST Subject: ot: baby voices To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <7x35Z.A.5KB.h4d89@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm fascinated by small kids' pre-language 'language', their expressivity > and emotionality - Mickey Hart's Supralingua CD has a track where he triggers sample of his baby daughter's voice. "the sound of song before language" is a theme of the album. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 07:57:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10457; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:53:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:53:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c29def$bc592aa0$39fdabd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9CA@LON-MAIL07> <001a01c29d22$7d8df760$c1fcabd4@tin.it> <02a901c29d42$cd07fb90$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: [looper's] Re: Digitech Gnx3 (electrix repeater still needed!) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:54:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim Palmer wrote > i just bought a gnx3 and as far as i can tell, the > song length is always the length of track 1. Jim, i've fount out a thing that i don't understand in digitech site's faq: -On the GNX-3, how can I record a track that is longer than the first track I recorded? Or, how can I extend the length of an existing track? -Digitech GNX3 submitted on 5/20/2002: Enter the song setup menu of the song you are working on and press the setup button until you see AUTOSTOP appear in the display. Change the setting to OFF. If you intend to record a second track longer than the first, or longer than any of the existing tracks, you will need to have the AUTOSTOP feature turned off. After the longest track you intend to have has been recorded, you can go back to the setup and turn AUTOSTOP back to the ON setting. The GNX-3 will now automatically stop playback or loop at the end of the longest recorded track. Jim, could You plaes check it out on Your gnx3? It would be interesting to see if one can enter in multitrack mode (not the jamman), to set "autostop" to OFF, "song repeat" to ON, and so record something on track one, and play it back. It should play back continuesly "as" a loop thanks to "song repeat ON", isn't it? Now, thanks to "autostop OFF", for what digitech says on the faq above, one should be able to record a longer sound on track two, while track one is playing back continuesly. I don't care to overdub a longer sound on track one. It's enough for me if i can record a longer sound on track two while track one is repeating, then i could always do merge (better then an overdub since you can set up each track volume level before merging, for what i understood). Because, from the manual, it seems that, apart from if a longer sound or not, anyway one could record on track two while track one is playbacking in repeat mode... Is it so, or if you play back track one in repeat mode you can't record anymore? Could You lease check it out Jim? Let me know if my english didn't allowed You to understand exactely what i mean... I'm really anxious to see this... Yours Truely Sergio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 08:44:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14089; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:37:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:37:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DEC6E29000242A4@mta-ps-be-01.sunrise.ch> (added by postmaster@sunrise.ch) Content-type: text/plain Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:37:38 +0000 From: Marc Schaffroth Reply-to: Marc Schaffroth Subject: FS Buchla Thunder To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Buchla Thunder, perfect condition, homestudio use only, Euro 2500.- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 11:12:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29517; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:10:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:10:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021207160947.98486.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:09:47 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: "the perfect looper", an opinion poll... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <010e01c29d7e$5b115d60$68f1abd4@tin.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My "perfect looper" would be a 1 or 2 rack space device that combined ALL the features of the EDP, Repeater and "delay/hold" turn-the-knob old-school looping delays, with multiple ins and outs, full wet/dry mix control on all outs, an AC cord vice a wall wart, and a price tag lower than a Headrush, INCLUDING a durable foot controller. Oh, and it should be able to make coffee as well... -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 11:44:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32226; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:39:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:39:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021207163850.9620.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:38:50 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: "the perfect looper", an opinion poll... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021207160947.98486.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes mr. T ,now thats what i call perfection! Cheers L.a > My "perfect looper" would be a 1 or 2 rack space > device that combined ALL the features of the EDP, > Repeater and "delay/hold" turn-the-knob old-school > looping delays, with multiple ins and outs, full > wet/dry mix control on all outs, an AC cord vice a > wall wart, and a price tag lower than a Headrush, > INCLUDING a durable foot controller. > > Oh, and it should be able to make coffee as well... > > -t- > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 11:49:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00331; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:45:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:45:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 11:45:01 -0500 Subject: Bob Sellon JamMan upgrade was midi-locked delays and stuff From: Ed Drake To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com max valentino wrote: > I have my JamDude loaded with Bob Sellon's latest software, and have found > it to be a remarkable improvement over the original's "limitations". and > And...al of this is controlable "sans-midi" (via two three button > footswitches), which is very good as even though the new software has > improved the versatilty and functions of the JamMan, the midi implementation > is still prone to latency. I think to access a lot of the things in the new ROM, you really do need a MIDI controller unless you want to twiddle knobs while you play. I don't really notice any latency with the JamMan myself and I often do rhythmic loops, so maybe I've gotten used to it and compensate subconciously for any latency. This is all subjective on my part as I don't have a way to measure any possible latency. I'm using a Digitech PMC 10 midi controller. This is a quote from an email I got from Bob a while back regarding the MIDI latency with the JamMan Bob Sellon wrote: > Controlling the JamMan via MIDI will indeed be slower than via the footswitch. > MIDI is at approx 32k baud. I seem to remember new data arriving every 320 > microseconds but when I do the calculation now it comes out to 32 > microseconds. At any rate it takes some time for the data to actually be sent > from one device to the next, then takes additional time for JamMan to respond > to it. My main focus on the JamMan was the MIDI clock but I think the general > purpose MIDI was pretty good as well. I'd be surprised if the latency is more > than 5ms but I'm not 100% sure. Max are you using Version 4 of the special ROM? Make sure you report back to Bob with any of your observations or possible bugs, so he can possibly fix them in future versions (see below). My favorite thing in the new upgrade is the Delay mode which is much like the Delay mode in the original JamMan software with adjustable feedback except you can go back and forth between loop and delay. Lately I've been playing around with the Sampler mode which lets you trigger 4 samples independently and asynchronously of each other. I haven't tried the "Mellotron" mode at all. For those interested, Bob is working on a new update for the JamMan. I don't think it's going to have many new features from Version 4, mostly bug fixes and making the functionality that's in there more "robust" to quote him. I don't think he has a lot of code space left on the ROM for much new stuff. I don't know when the new update might be available so please don't bug him. I think he's doing all this because these are features he wants to have when he uses the JamMan. I think Bob is finally going to charge for the new ROM when it's ready so he can get some compensation for all of the time he has put into it but I don't know how much it will be. Bob has also mentioned to me in the past that he was working on a JamMan app for Windows but since I have a Mac I can't help him test this. Any of you Windows users that have JamMen might want to contact him and see if this is still in the works. Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 12:03:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02962; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:00:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:00:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c29e12$38b6cfe0$a3ba590c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: Subject: Re: Midi Poll [was Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater = (KYMA)?] Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:00:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I always thought Midi was a skirt length of the early 70's, halfway between Mini and Maxi! ;-) Less sartorially and more seriously, I too am a "folk looper" like Michael. Primarily playing acoustic strings and percussion, I've never delved into the world of midi. I'm sure I'm missing out on quite a bit (as well as the numerous midi functions of my EDP), but it's never been a priority for me, Luddite that I am. I guess I'm happy not knowing what I'm missing . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 12:25:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05240; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:23:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:23:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c29edd$f5852560$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: Subject: New Age Music Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:19:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C29EB4.0C6BF9E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C29EB4.0C6BF9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The current New Age Music category should be renamed 'Banal Age' Music. In passing, I kept hearing Jim Brickman's name pertaining to 'New Age' = Music. I happened to see a Holiday concert starring Jim Brickman = recently. Talk about banal piano playing. Geesh! Regards, Paul ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C29EB4.0C6BF9E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The current New Age Music category = should be=20 renamed  'Banal Age' Music.
 
In passing, I kept hearing Jim = Brickman's name=20 pertaining to 'New Age' Music. I happened to see a Holiday concert = starring Jim=20 Brickman recently. Talk about banal piano playing. Geesh!
 
Regards, = Paul
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C29EB4.0C6BF9E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 13:35:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12631; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:25:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:25:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c29e1e$09692b50$3e57c350@p4> From: "d.swain" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: Harry Kolbe Gp-1 preamps Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:25:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C29E1E.09515D90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C29E1E.09515D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone ever tried one of these, and if so what are they like ? = versatile ? good ? crap ? What kind of price do they go for thanks David Swain d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C29E1E.09515D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anyone ever tried one of these, = and if so=20 what are they like ? versatile ? good ? crap ?
What kind of price do they go = for
 
thanks
 
David Swain
 
d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk
= www.onelessthannone.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C29E1E.09515D90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 13:40:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13438; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:34:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:34:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 10:33:58 -0800 Subject: OT: Recording equipment From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Far less fun than collecting looping devices and instruments, a realistic appraisal of my studio tells me that I need to address the following need(s): * I need a good way to convert from analog signals to digital with appropriate limiting. I've got various things -- e.g., my SP-808 -- that will do the A/D conversion but it's prone to digital distortion. * I also need a good way to get coax SPDIF information into my computer (a Mac cube running MacOS X 10.2). One approach to the conversion issue would be to get something like the Really Nice Compressor and work with the converters in the equipment I've got. It strikes me, however, that I might be better off looking for dedicated converters with built-in limiting rather than putting together an extended chain. On the other hand, I'm not looking to spend vast sums on converters. I don't particularly care about compression. All I care about is being able to run the signals reasonably hot to get the full dynamic range without being concerned about digital distortion if the signals should happen to spike up at some point. The signals will generally be coming from my Mackie 1642 VLZpro. I generally only care about stereo inputs since most of the work I do seems to go straight to 2-track. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 14:21:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19575; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:18:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:18:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ca4org@mail.ca4.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:18:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: The CA4 Organisation Subject: Re: OT: Recording equipment Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you convert to digital with a reasonably good 24-bit converter will have a larger dynamic range than any preceeding analog stuff can reproduce. This means you should not be concerned with recording "hot" at all. Recording hot is what you do with analog equipment and is a valid technique there. I typically record so peaks are -16 to -18dBFS (that is 18dB below digital full-scale). As 24bit gives 144dB dynamic range this means that the noise level of any analog equipment will still be well above the digital noise level. And leaving 16/18dB of headroom allows you to do any post-processing with a very reduced risk of overload. Note that even the best 24-bit converters seldom have an analog dynamic range anywhere near 120dB. If you are concerned with keeping every musical nuance intact then make sure that any later bit-reduction to 16-bit (CD, MP3, whatever) is done with only the best dithering algorithms (POW-r or UV-22). >I don't particularly care about compression. All I care about is being able >to run the signals reasonably hot to get the full dynamic range without >being concerned about digital distortion if the signals should happen to >spike up at some point. > >The signals will generally be coming from my Mackie 1642 VLZpro. I generally >only care about stereo inputs since most of the work I do seems to go >straight to 2-track. > >Any advice would be appreciated. > >Thanks. >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 15:32:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27230; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:24:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:24:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c29e2e$ee317ca0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents SOFTWARE with Toastybird Visuals Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:26:31 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know Bret (Plexus) from SOFTWARE is on the LD list and that the stage will be piled will Electrix gear & I think an EDP. There's a nice photo from their previous show here at: http://www.oldbmw.com/technojazz and an insane amount from their January show here: http://www.oldbmw.com/other/software2002/ Hope some LD crew may be in the neighbourhood. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday Dec. 10th - SOFTWARE with Toastybird Visuals Plexus (synthesizers) and Paul Asselin (guitars) often transform what are considered traditional musical genres & their most recent collaborations could be called 'techno-jazz'. With an entourage of vintage and modern electronics, SOFTWARE will be performing their continuous-musical-experience with an ambient approach in this evening of exploration. Look for SOFTWARE's new DVD of surround-sound and visuals from their previous AMBiENT PiNG performance at the PiNG THiNGS music boutique. There's some cool photos from that night @ http://www.oldbmw.com/technojazz Between Sets CD - "The Butterfly Chamber" by James Johnson Johnson's deep ambient textures are blended with violin from Susan Johns and accoustic and electric guitar by Christopher Short (Ma Ja Le) to produce a misty musical melange. (Hypnos - 2002) - (Available at PiNG THiNGS) http://www.zeromusic.net . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at PiNG THiNGS for the Daily Bread Food Bank too. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday December 17th - Ben Grossman with Pype http://www.macrophone.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's PiNG THiNGS' CD REViEWs "Iroquois" by Multiplex Firmly entrenched in both mood and space, "Iroquois" by Multiplex is a fine example of glitch-driven genius. The fifteen songs collected on this disc take influences from a variety of styles and fabricate them into something fresh and new, a textured landscape of sounds running the gamut from charming to chilling and back again. Mixing both digital and analog sounds together in a perfectly blended synthesis, Multiplex have put together both an inspired and inspiring work in "Iroquois". One can't help but get lost in "The Monitors", a dark and dreary journey through claustrophobic spaces, or "Mainline" with it's strangled beatz and it's grande jete towards the precipice of danger, just before turning around and running back to Coolsville. And of course there's a remix of "Angles" filled with percolating rhythms and flowing shapes that stay in your head long into the night. "Iroquois" by Multiplex is available now at PiNG THiNGS for $15 "Iroquois" is part of the Piehead Records subscription series. To find out about this and other Piehead releases, visit http://www.pieheadrecords.com rik maclean - torment@corpusnet.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 16:47:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02377; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:45:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:45:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021207214456.9269.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:44:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: New Age Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001201c29edd$f5852560$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kinda goes to show how inadequate putting labels on musical styles can be sometimes. I mean, Yanni and Robert Rich have both been called New Age, but I wouldn't consider their music remotely similar. Or when David Torn was on Windham Hill, it didn't make him sound like Will Ackerman & George Winston, although to someone who'd never heard him and was flipping through the bins at the local Sam Goody, that might be the impression just based on the label's reputation. John Coltrane, Louis Armstrong, Kenny G., Manhattan Transfer, the ECM roster, Dixieland bands and "the Tzadik crowd" are all "jazz" artists, right? Talk about strange bedfellows... -t- --- Butch wrote: > The current New Age Music category should be renamed > 'Banal Age' Music. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 17:02:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05332; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:01:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:01:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021207220040.78629.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:00:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: New Age Music & smooooth pop pseudojazz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021207214456.9269.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: >...Kenny G. [is a] "jazz" artist, right?... And before anyone jumps on that one, I'm saying that HE and many of his fans think he is, not that I or any of YOU do. Sumya might enjoy Richard Thompson's response to ol' Kenny's overdubbed duet with the ghost of Satchmo; check out the lyrics to Thompson's unreleased "I Agree With Pat Metheny". Jes foller this link, rat cheer: -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 17:31:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07628; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:27:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:27:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 14:27:35 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: Recording equipment From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9aDwJD.A.G3B.dXn89@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. That had been one of the theories I had contemplated. One catch, however, is that I suspect my existing DAT deck is only 16-bit. What I'd like to have is something a bit lighterweight to run during a session than firing up my computer. Both the SP-808 and the DAT meet that standard but both are 16-bit and both suffer from inadequate limiting. Mark on 12/7/02 11:18 AM, The CA4 Organisation at jl@ca4.org wrote: > > If you convert to digital with a reasonably good 24-bit converter > will have a larger dynamic range than any preceeding analog stuff can > reproduce. > > This means you should not be concerned with recording "hot" at all. > Recording hot is what you do with analog equipment and is a valid > technique there. > > I typically record so peaks are -16 to -18dBFS (that is 18dB below > digital full-scale). As 24bit gives 144dB dynamic range this means > that the noise level of any analog equipment will still be well above > the digital noise level. And leaving 16/18dB of headroom allows you > to do any post-processing with a very reduced risk of overload. > > Note that even the best 24-bit converters seldom have an analog > dynamic range anywhere near 120dB. > > If you are concerned with keeping every musical nuance intact then > make sure that any later bit-reduction to 16-bit (CD, MP3, whatever) > is done with only the best dithering algorithms (POW-r or UV-22). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 17:32:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07300; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:23:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:23:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: baby voices Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:16:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com michael, did you get any interesting responses to this query besides what wasa sent to the list? i'm fascinated... definitely want to know more. thanks, paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:35 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; acoustic-ecology@sfu.ca; > CT-Collective@yahoogroups.com > Subject: ot: baby voices > > > do any fathers/mothers among us have recordings of their kid's voices when > they were very young? when they couldn't talk yet but tried to? > > I'm fascinated by small kids' pre-language 'language', their expressivity > and emotionality - and especially by the dramatic effect you get when you > slow those recordings down to a normal grown-up voice pitch: try it and it > will make your hair stand on end (especially with voices of angry kids :-) > > I'd like to research and experiment with this effect and, with enough > material, make a composition (some kind of opera for slowed-down > babies :-). > unfortunately I don't have any kids and not many recordings either, so I'd > be very grateful for any recordings you could send me. please contact me > off-list if you think you've got something. your kids might become famous. > > > = michael peters > = computer graphics + electronic music > = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > = www.mp3.com/veloopity > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 17:42:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08438; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:38:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:38:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <187.125b46e7.2b23d220@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:37:20 EST Subject: Re: New Age Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_187.125b46e7.2b23d220_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_187.125b46e7.2b23d220_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/7/02 4:45:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > Kenny G totally in a class by himself.....im diggin the adds for his christmas cd, how hot is that!.....michael --part1_187.125b46e7.2b23d220_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/7/02 4:45:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


Kenny G


totally in a class by himself.....im diggin the adds for his christmas cd, how hot is that!.....michael
--part1_187.125b46e7.2b23d220_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 18:21:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13198; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:16:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:16:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:13:06 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: [looper's] Re: Digitech Gnx3 (electrix repeater still needed!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <041701c29e46$3394e310$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9CA@LON-MAIL07> <001a01c29d22$7d8df760$c1fcabd4@tin.it> <02a901c29d42$cd07fb90$080210ac@jpalmer> <006201c29def$bc592aa0$39fdabd4@tin.it> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com autostop off seems to just let the thing loop and stay in record. i have been unable to get any other track to be longer than track one. there are some other gripes i have about it's looping capabilities here's a few quick ones: -you can't switch songs while playing. -if you hit play, you can't enable a new track for recording and hitting record does nothing. -no feedback control at all. i'll post more complete info later, but like i said, i'm mainly interested in using it as a guitar amp so i haven't really used the looper much. i wouldn't try to use it as my only looper by any stretch... > > Jim, could You plaes check it out on Your gnx3? >... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 19:19:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19806; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:17:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:17:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e401c29e4f$a9d4dd60$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <187.125b46e7.2b23d220@aol.com> Subject: Re: New Age Music Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 00:20:49 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C29E4F.A8C0AE40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <3ZQT2C.A.Y1E.Y-o89@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C29E4F.A8C0AE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 22:37:PM Subject: Re: New Age Music In a message dated 12/7/02 4:45:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, = psychle62@yahoo.com writes: Kenny G totally in a class by himself.....im diggin the adds for his christmas = cd, how hot is that!.....michael=20 Perhaps you're just finally yielding to the soft, pressing, evil force = which is Kenny G. No doubt the Big Five are pulling out the stops to = sell us all the same old mediocre crap this year. Again. On another more positive note, there's a great Michael Bolton joke (with = his participation) - a less evil man than Kenny indeed - in the film = "Snow Dogs", which is actually not un-fun to watch. S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C29E4F.A8C0AE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: New Age = Music

In a message dated 12/7/02 4:45:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, = psychle62@yahoo.com = writes:


Kenny G
totally in a class by himself.....im diggin the adds for his = christmas=20 cd, how hot is that!.....michael
Perhaps you're just finally yielding to the soft, = pressing,=20 evil force which is Kenny G.  No doubt the Big Five are pulling out = the=20 stops to sell us all the same old mediocre crap this year. =20 Again.
 
On another more positive note, there's a great = Michael Bolton=20 joke (with his participation) - a less evil man than Kenny indeed - in = the film=20 "Snow Dogs", which is actually not un-fun to watch.
 
S.P. Goodman
EarthLight = Productions
*
http://www.earthlight.net/Gall= ery -=20 Cartoons and Illustrations!
http://www.earthlight.net/= HiddenTrack=20 - Cartoons via Medialine!
------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C29E4F.A8C0AE40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 20:17:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26420; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:14:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:14:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021207171418.0417b008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:17:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater = (KYMA)? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:06 PM 12/6/2002, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >everyday i feel more and more like a "folk" looper.....:).....michael I now have this great mental image of Michael sitting on a creaky old porch playing "dueling banjos" with his boomerang. Michael, please make it come true for me. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 20:47:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29346; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:43:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:43:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: dennis@mail.worldserver.com Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater = (KYMA)? Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:44:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c29e5b$5f4a1ba0$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021207171418.0417b008@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I now have this great mental image of > Michael sitting on a creaky old porch playing "dueling banjos" with his boomerang. > Michael, please make it come > true for me. Ahh, but the true folk looper sits surrounded by "idiot-savant" players. Although they have very limited social skills (speaking only Appalachian tinged MIDI), they are true monsters of virtuosity on any instrument. Within their ready grasp lie an astonishing variety of an amazing number of instruments of *every* description. Micheal begins to play. The circle listens with rapt, unwavering attention. They reach into their cache of instruments and grab exact duplicates of Micheal's. As Michael gives the nod to the first, he begins to *exactly* mimic Michael's every nuance. Repeating it over and over. Of course, a folk looper set-up takes *a lot* of maintanance... - Dennis Leas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 22:37:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10344; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:34:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:34:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:33:48 EST Subject: Re: Boss RC 20 vs. Electrix Repeater = (KYMA)? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bd.2b777941.2b24179c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_bd.2b777941.2b24179c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/7/02 8:15:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > Michael, please make it come > true for me. > kim.....enuf single malt, a few cricket loops, close your eys and you're there with me.....:).....michael --part1_bd.2b777941.2b24179c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/7/02 8:15:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


Michael, please make it come
true for me.


kim.....enuf single malt, a few cricket loops, close your eys and you're there with me.....:).....michael
--part1_bd.2b777941.2b24179c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 7 23:29:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15473; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:17:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:17:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.179.227] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bob Sellon JamMan upgrade was midi-locked delays and stuff Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 04:16:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2002 04:16:50.0409 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1930D90:01C29E70] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ed Drake wrote: >I think to access a lot of the things in the new ROM, you really do need a >MIDI controller unless you want to twiddle knobs while you play. >I don't really notice any latency with the JamMan myself and I often do >rhythmic loops, so maybe I've gotten used to it and compensate >subconciously >for any latency. This is all subjective on my part as I don't have a way to >measure any possible latency. I'm using a Digitech PMC 10 midi controller. > >Max are you using Version 4 of the special ROM? Make sure you report back >to Bob with any of your observations or possible bugs, so he can possibly >fix them in future versions (see below). My favorite thing in the new >upgrade is the Delay mode which is much like the Delay mode in the original >JamMan software with adjustable feedback except you can go back and forth >between loop and delay. Ed: Yes I am using version 4 of the updated software. Latency may or may not be an issue with all JamMan's, but it has been noticable with mine to make me forego any MIDI. I had, when using MIDI, been able compensate for the slight lag, a least while playing solo/looping gigs. But, as I began to work in more collaborations and deeper rhythmic loops, this latency became an issue. Therefore I use plain ol' footswitches to tap in and out of the loops, and my timing has been fine. Yes, there is a bit of a tap dance to get to some of the functions in the new software (having to scroll through the functions or channels can be a pain, but workable in a live loop performance). I suppose the best option would be to use a "good" Midi footcontroller to send both program change and CC messages to address the functions/channels/pages etc. and the footswitches to tap in and out (thus avoiding the delay lag). I have been too lazy to really add a "good" MIDI conroller to my setup (In fact, of late I have been trying to make it smaller, simpler, and easier to hook up on darkened LoopFest stages!), but I may now consider adding something like the Behringer foot controller. Interesting comments from Bob regarding the whole MIDI latency issue in the JamBoy. To be fair, I have found that the MIDI clock (both sending and receiving) is fine in the JamMan, and it plays well with most other MIDI stuff, even EDPs and 'peaters MY issue has been, and continues to be, the latency in tapping in and out of loops (it is slight, but my stuff is highly rhythmic, and those miliseconds add up....to frustrations). Thanks for the heads up about the delay mode and toggling 'tween delay and loop. I have, to be fair, only superficially checked out the delay functions...and have not really explored the sampler or Mellotron Mode (just have not found time not use yet...but maybe now I shall). Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 8 01:13:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27707; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:11:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:11:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c29e80$a84398c0$ebe65cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: Recording equipment Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:11:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <3wMzjB.A.1wG.FKu89@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" > What I'd > like to have is something a bit lighterweight to run during a session than > firing up my computer. Both the SP-808 and the DAT meet that standard but > both are 16-bit and both suffer from inadequate limiting. I don't know of any DAT machine that has limiting. (That doesn't mean there aren't any.) But Tascam (and others?) make 24 bit DAT machines. Run them at -16dBFS and you probably will never need any limiting. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 8 12:29:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20281; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:27:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:27:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021208181426.00a40710@pop3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000411630@pop3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:23:44 +0100 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Katja Subject: GNX3 quirks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA20260 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Recently I noticed some remarks on the GNX3 on this list, and by coïncidence I was just writing a text on it: From Digitech's GNX3 specs and manual I assumed that it can be used as a looping device. It is advertised as having a JamMan mode. The machine is not on the Loopers Delight Tools of the Trade list. After checking the GNX3 in the music store I can see why it is not on the list. Before I forget the details of this 'all-in-one box' with its irrational quirks I'll write my remarks down to save some of you guys the effort of finding out what's wrong with it. The GNX3 is a guitar-effects pedal board of high quality, which features a four track stereo digital recorder / looper (or an eight track mono recorder / looper) as an extra gimmick. The small recorder part with its switches is built in the pedal board. Some of the most important recorder functions can be operated with the footswitches when in the recorder mode. Optional is the FS300 footswitch with 3 switches for recorder functions. In this case the main board can be used in the effects mode. The recording routine is devised in such a way that you do not need to touch the panel with your hands for simple four track or eight track recording and looping. After pressing the record (foot)switch the GNX3 starts to record track 1 (track 1 and 2 in stereo-mode). Your action after finishing track 1 determines whether the song will be a normal song or a loop: when pressing 'stop' it will be a normal one shot song, but after pressing 'record' a second time while recording it will be a loop, and it is automatically in the overdub mode for track one. It's also possible to press 'play' directly after finishing track 1, and after a couple of seconds the machine sets track 2 in the record stand-by while looping your first take. This routine is maintained consequently for all other tracks, so once you decided to make the recorder loop you can fill up to eight tracks with a theoretically infinite amount of overdubs. As long as you are building layers the machine works fine and operations are simple. If you make a mistake you can press the undo switch on the record panel or the undo-footswitch on the FS300 to clear and re-record the current track. There comes a time you want to cut in the layers as there is too much sound or music. After all, the GNX3 is a recorder and not a delay machine, so everything recorded remains there until you decide to cut it. The simplest way of cutting parts is to mute a track. This can only be done with the tiny track switches on the recorder panel, so you must bend over to the pedal board. As you might have built an impressive wall of sound by that time it need not be a problem to bend over the panel for a second. Or you might practice to do this with your toes, leaving one shoe off. From the recorder panel you can set level and panning of each track, only after stopping playback. But the real problem with this machine arises when you want to replace tracks, or even start a new loop. While the loop is playing, the track switches toggle between play and mute. To re-record a track other than the last one, first you have to stop playback. The machine then takes a couple of seconds time to save all information to memory, during which it is impossible to resume playing. Only from stop it is possible to switch any pre-recorded track of your choice to record standby. By the way, I found a strong tendency of the system to crash when trying to replace a recorded track, but did not test till the point of knowing the exact cause. After crashing the machine does not respond to any switch-pressing, be it of the recorder section or the effects section. It needs resetting by turning the power off and on. It may be there is a way of operating the machine without forcing a crash, but as far as I know there is no way of replacing tracks, other than the last one, without stopping playback. Now comes the biggest blooper of this looper. You want to set up a new loop? To start from scratch, just switch to a new song, with the 'up' switch on the recorder panel or the 'up' footswitch on the main board in recording mode. After the time-consuming procedure of saving the current song, the new song or loop starts with a four beat click lead in guide! No way to turn this lead in ('pre-roll') off globally! To turn it off you have to dive deep in the multi-page song set up menu, not available during playback. This song set up contains settings like input configuration as well, and by switching to a new song all settings are set to default values including the click lead in. If you try to get around this by deleting your entire current loop to re-record it the same terrible thing happens. Couldn't believe my eyes and ears. After spending a couple of hours with this machine I concluded that at least this version (it showed version 1.0 in the screen) cannot be used as a looping machine for live performance in whatever way. It has more than one serious flaw. However, I was quite impressed by the effects section. The features and presets seem to suit metal guitarists best. I am not a guitarist, and I did not particularly like the metal-riffs my thumbpiano played through this machine, but the versatile parameter control probably admits a wide use of the quite extreme sound manipulation. It has an expression pedal for 3 parameters simultaneously, and two LFOs. Conversion is done at 24 bit 44,1 kHz sampling rate. An XLR symmetrical mic input with 20 Hz to 20 kHz flat response is provided in addition to the 1/4 inch guitar jack. There is also a 1/8 inch stereo line input, specially devised for the silly 'Learn-a-Lick' and 'Jam-a-Long' purposes. There is a left and right 1/4 output, a separate XLR mic output, an RCA digital output, and a 1/4 inch headphone output provided. Although various routings for these inputs through effects and recorder to outputs can be set, routing is not as flexible as in a modular set up. Via MIDI most effect parameters can be controlled, not the track levels unfortunately. I cannot report on the midi sync aspect, but I remember somebody mentioning the impossibility of synching while in loop mode. O yeh, and it has a drum function incorporated, but I did not listen to that. With all its features this machine still remains attractive. The GNX3 could be exploited as a clever effects pedal with onboard prefab audio tracks.You can construct loops of different length and character at home and use (selected tracks of) this material in live performance, just like some artists use recorded material on cd or minidisc in a gig. The GNX3 creates seamless loops whereas a cd player or minidisc player can't do that. A 128 Mb Smart Media card (the maximum accepted by the GNX3) can contain 3 minutes of 8track recording in cd-quality, and more in lower quality or with less tracks. Overdubs on a track do not consume extra memory space, so lots of looping material can be recorded on one card. However, as the stupid little details disabling live loop performance frustrated me, I've put the whole thing off my mind. I cannot understand Digitech's people developing such a wonderful machine, and forgetting what looping is about. If anyone can tell me there is something I misunderstood about this machine I would be pleased to hear so. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 8 14:54:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31381; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:50:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:50:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 14:53:46 -0500 Subject: choosing a foot control for Repeater From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3122204026_1508067_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3122204026_1508067_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hi all-- I know there have been many discussions on this, and I've done a cursory search through the archives, but am having trouble finding as much info as I'd like. If anyone could either send me directions to previously written info or could respond anew, I would be eternally grateful. Right now, the FCB 1010 looks like a good bet-- 2 expr. pedals, pretty inexpensive. I find both positive and negative comments on it in recent LD messages. Would love more commentary, or other suggestions. My setup (once I get this foot controller thing worked out) will include an EDP and a Repeater, if that makes any difference in terms of what to choose. Thanks, dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net --MS_Mac_OE_3122204026_1508067_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable choosing a foot control for Repeater hi all--

I know there have been many discussions on this, and I've done a cursory se= arch through the archives, but am having trouble finding as much info as I'd= like. If anyone could either send me directions to previously written info = or could respond anew, I would be eternally grateful.

Right now, the FCB 1010 looks like a good bet-- 2 expr. pedals, pretty inex= pensive. I find both positive and negative comments on it in recent LD messa= ges. Would love more commentary, or other suggestions.

My setup (once I get this foot controller thing worked out) will include an= EDP and a Repeater, if that makes any difference in terms of what to choose= .

Thanks,


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--MS_Mac_OE_3122204026_1508067_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 8 15:00:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31853; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:58:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:58:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 11:47:57 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: GNX3 quirks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DF3A1ED.C3633DC3@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021208181426.00a40710@pop3.freeler.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't think they forgot what looping is all about. I don't think they ever knew. As a guitarist, I found the GNX2 to be a much more useful machine. For the price, I thought the effects were pretty good, although I still like the tone I get from my 2120 better when going straight into a PA. The GNX seems to do better with an amp after it. Note: I have not really spent a lot of time tweaking the GNX2 for my ampless setup, as I bought it to use with an amp anyway. I think the addition of an audio recorder is just too much for this type of device. I feel it's like having a dishwasher attached to your car. Sure, you could probably use it at times, but do you really need it? There are a some cheap looping devices out there now that do a great job. Buy one of those and a GNX2 for it's effects. Mark Sottilaro Katja wrote: > > as the > stupid little details disabling live loop performance frustrated me, > I've put the whole thing off my mind. I cannot understand Digitech's > people developing such a wonderful machine, and forgetting what looping is > about. > > If anyone can tell me there is something I misunderstood about this machine > I would be pleased to hear so. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 8 17:40:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11824; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:35:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:35:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #833 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:27:45 -0600 x-sender: billmonk@mail.mac.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bill Monk To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My guess is, Musicians Friend bought a warehouse load of them from Great American Group (the liquidator that paid roughly 74 cents on the dollar for the Mars inventory). You may have noticed MF's veiled reference to this transaction on their home page recently. Of Mars' unsecured creditors, Line 6 was #15 on the list: $323,830.12 owed them. That's a LOT of gadgets. Mars owed secured creditors about $33 million, and had about $64 million in inventory (at their cost). Assuming the liquidator bought it for about $47 million (74%), the Mars bankruptcy court can probably pay off the secured creditors in full. After the lawyers, bankruptcy trustees, etc, take their cut of the remaining $14 million (acually they'll take their cut -first-), the unsecured creditors, including the equipment manufacturers, share anything left. The top 19 manufacturers alone are owed about $13.5 million, so it's easy to see how little will be left to go around. Meanwhile, if Line 6 weren't already planning on killing the Pro modeler line, Mars did it for them. Line 6 gets to sit around and watch their property being sold, with no benefit to them, at a price that guarantees no other retailer will order another unit for a long time, if ever. Then, maybe in a couple years, the bankruptcy court will send a check for 20-30% of what the gear was worth this year. And that's just one manufacturer. Roland was owed almost 2 million alone.... >My god! Christmas has come early for some people! I may buy one myself. But the whole deal is a pretty bad Christmas present for the musical instrument industry.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 8 18:20:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15451; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:17:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:17:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006c01c29d82$3bada420$fe762544@user0jd9dje1rf> References: <006c01c29d82$3bada420$fe762544@user0jd9dje1rf> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:16:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looping venues in NYC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:47 PM -0500 12/6/02, Sempai wrote: >What is the Tzadik crowd? And why would they make it hard for you? I'd imagine he means that sort of "downtown scene" -- musicians like John Zorn and Elliott Sharp and etc. It's hard to get booked but you do have to realize that these musicians have managed to do it by being consistently good draws and also by playing music of some musical value. You have to work at it. There are a lot of places to try -- Chama, where I do open loop, is a nice little space with a not-completely-terrible PA, but you have to bring your own crowd because it's far far east on 4th St. There are all sorts of floating parties (you should get on my mailing list http://extremeNY.com/list to find them) and they are great places to play. What sort of material are you using to book? You have to have a CD of your stuff -- they're 20 cents to make these days and people just don't have cassette players any more. And a press packet wouldn't hurt either. It costs a LOT of money to run even a small club like Tonic. I'd imagine they'd need to average $500 gross income every night to make it worth their while to exist. (That's a total gross revenues of less than $200,000 a year and that has to cover rent and all salaries, alcohol and consumables, gear costs, and expenses...) They need to know that you can bring in enough people to spend $500 in their space in other words, just to stay alive. These people aren't in it for the money -- they'd be doing something else -- but they need to see that you are doing the right thing to try to get people in the door yourself. OK -- having the right friends has never hurt. But that isn't going to get you more than a few gigs a year if you don't have a good act and a good press packet. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 8 20:55:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27269; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:44:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:44:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c29fed$2a30c520$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021208181426.00a40710@pop3.freeler.nl> <3DF3A1ED.C3633DC3@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: GNX3 quirks Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:40:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << I think the addition of an audio recorder is just too much for this type of device >> I think you can never have enough digital recorders. I saw where a local music store had the Zoom PS02 teeny-tiny digital recorder for sale at $149 (good price). I put one on layaway because "you can never have enough digital recorders". Hehehe... Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: Re: GNX3 quirks > I don't think they forgot what looping is all about. I don't think they > ever knew. As a guitarist, I found the GNX2 to be a much more useful > machine. For the price, I thought the effects were pretty good, > although I still like the tone I get from my 2120 better when going > straight into a PA. The GNX seems to do better with an amp after it. > Note: I have not really spent a lot of time tweaking the GNX2 for my > ampless setup, as I bought it to use with an amp anyway. I think the > addition of an audio recorder is just too much for this type of device. > I feel it's like having a dishwasher attached to your car. Sure, you > could probably use it at times, but do you really need it? There are a > some cheap looping devices out there now that do a great job. Buy one > of those and a GNX2 for it's effects. > > Mark Sottilaro > > Katja wrote: > > > > as the > > stupid little details disabling live loop performance frustrated me, > > I've put the whole thing off my mind. I cannot understand Digitech's > > people developing such a wonderful machine, and forgetting what looping is > > about. > > > > If anyone can tell me there is something I misunderstood about this machine > > I would be pleased to hear so. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 8 22:53:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32666; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:51:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:51:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <19d.d3de54f.2b255f1c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:51:08 EST Subject: playing with others ll To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
another marathon playing session today.....drummer, guitar/bass, and yours 
truely on guitar ->zoom2100 ->digi.space station ->boomerang+ ->fender 
champ.....(one very easy carry).....the zoom prior to the s.s and the rang 
gives you the opportunity to take those three 5sec loops and warp the hell 
out of them and drop them into the rang for a great big amount of sonic 
craziness.....i can not tell you how happy i am to integrate my loops into 
this free improve format.....i can see very quickly how often i go for the 
"known" licks and runs, got to do something about this.....but after about 
3.5 hrs (one tune!) i began cutting loose (as you young folk would say) and 
what a refreshing feeling after bangin away for so long.....what really blew 
my mind was the quality of the recording, playing into a mic is very hip 
after going direct for so long, we recorded to cassette btb.....luddites one 
and all.....this "free improv" stuff is muy interesanto, key does not matter, 
chords do not matter, the beat seems to have some importance and for that i 
am glad, a place to hang a hat so to speak.....its hard work to play this 
way, thank goodness i have loops and warpage to fall back on.....shows are a 
comin im afraid.....:).....michael

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Just wanted to let you all know about a new VST looping tool that my small
dev group has put together.  I wanted to post on LD because I thought you
folks would appreciate the functionality that this kind of tool offers.

We need some help in bringing it to a well tested state and would like some
feedback in regards to its utility to  you.  Basically, we're looking for a
few testers who might be interested in checking out a cool little tool.  I
figured you guys would be a receptive audience to this kind of a request, so
I'm only posting this mail on LD for the time being.  I may post elsewhere
if we need more people.

:What it does:

"Looper" is a loop sampling VST plug-in.  It allows you to capture tempo
sync'd audio samples in real time from any VST host.  Once the sample has
been captured you can manipulate playback in a few different ways.  The most
basic thing you can do is to let the sample loop in place, instantaneously
from when recording ends, in sync with tempo.  Alternatives are to trigger
playback from various positions within the sample, allowing you manipulate
the playback position of the sample in real time.

"Looper" can also be used as a studio tool.  Once a sample has been captured
you can trigger playback via midi with or without looping on, to use the
tool as a traditional sampler is used.  Sample playback can be started from
a variety of start points, which allows for very fast 'editing' of your
captured sample.

We're also including a sequenced effects engine which allows you to modify
your sample in sync with time.  This will hopefully be available in
pass-thru and sampled modes.  Synced effects are fun!

There are additional odds and ends features, but that should be enough to
explain the main functionality.

:The specifics:

If you are interested, please send a reply to me off list and give me an
email address where I can send you a URL to download the software.
Understand that this software is still in early testing phases and we can't
guarantee that it will work in your particular environment.  As far as we
know it works in both Cubase SX and FruityLoops.

This plug-in is PC and VST only.

:Where we're going:

We're planning on continuing to add and extend the functionality of this
software either through adding on to this tool or by creating a new one.
Any way you slice it, good stuff is on the way!

So get back to me if you're interested.

Hope everything is well with all you loopy folks.



Paul

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let us know if you get it mac-capable

Paul Weissman wrote:


> know it works in both Cubase SX and FruityLoops.
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> This plug-in is PC and VST only.

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>>I don't know of any DAT machine that has limiting.  (That doesn't mean there
aren't any.)<<

most of the portables I've seen have a limiter. in my view, they are indispensible on any a>d interface, where the idea is to make the absolute best of digital's supposedly superior dynamic range. most common practice amongst pros/broadcasters is to allow 18dB of "headroom" above reference level (0dBu) in order that the broadcast signal's normal allowance of +8dBu isn't in any danger of clipping. but analogue systems of any sort are capable of rendering short duration transients and overshoots far in excess of this, and the different ways they do it tend to define, to some extent, their characteristic sound. 1/4" tape is a good example. 
my recommendation (and no, I don't get paid by them) is to use a tc electronics box. doesn't matter which one, so long as it has the limiter and the A>D converters. most of their units do. just remember to switch out the multiband effects stages, especially the multiband limiter, unless you want to use them aswell. multiband limiting is the work of the devil. there, I've said it. 

"the use of separate compressors on individual instruments, that accompanied the widespread use of multitracks in recording studios, has done more to damage our listening experiences than any other single innovation, musical or technical. discuss."

(hint: is the modern drumkit usually heard as a number of discrete instruments by the person playing it?)

duncan/r.m.i.



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[looper's]OT RE: A>D



>>I don't know of any DAT machine that has limiting= .  (That doesn't mean there
aren't any.)<<

most of the portables I've seen have a limiter. in my vie= w, they are indispensible on any a>d interface, where the idea is to mak= e the absolute best of digital's supposedly superior dynamic range. most co= mmon practice amongst pros/broadcasters is to allow 18dB of "headroom&= quot; above reference level (0dBu) in order that the broadcast signal's nor= mal allowance of +8dBu isn't in any danger of clipping. but analogue system= s of any sort are capable of rendering short duration transients and oversh= oots far in excess of this, and the different ways they do it tend to defin= e, to some extent, their characteristic sound. 1/4" tape is a good exa= mple.

my recommendation (and no, I don't get paid by them) is t= o use a tc electronics box. doesn't matter which one, so long as it has the= limiter and the A>D converters. most of their units do. just remember t= o switch out the multiband effects stages, especially the multiband limiter= , unless you want to use them aswell. multiband limiting is the work of the= devil. there, I've said it.

"the use of separate compressors on individual instr= uments, that accompanied the widespread use of multitracks in recording stu= dios, has done more to damage our listening experiences than any other sing= le innovation, musical or technical. discuss."

(hint: is the modern drumkit usually heard as a number of= discrete instruments by the person playing it?)

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29F77.837B5DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 11:02:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08659; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:58:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:58:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <025601c29f9b$e122d9a0$96615cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9DF@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: [looper's]OT RE: A>D Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:58:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <0a9-xB.A.NHC.u2L99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > >>I don't know of any DAT machine that has limiting. (That doesn't mean there > aren't any.)<< > > most of the portables I've seen have a limiter. Ah! There you have it. I've never owned a portable nor have I investigated their specs/features. (I looked at their prices and decided the cost/benefit ratio was too high for me. Stopped me right there!) Thanks for the education. >but analogue systems of any sort are capable of rendering short duration transients and overshoots far in excess of this, and the different ways they do it tend to define, to some extent, their characteristic sound. 1/4" tape is a good example. I suppose different DAT recorders' limiters might have unique characteristic sounds, too. So long as you don't hit the limiters too hard or with long duration events, they might be mostly inobtrusive? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 11:06:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10409; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:04:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:04:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 08:04:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [looper's]OT RE: A>D From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9DF@LON-MAIL07> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 12/9/02 3:38 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com at goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > my recommendation (and no, I don't get paid by them) is to use a tc > electronics box. doesn't matter which one, so long as it has the limiter and > the A>D converters. most of their units do. just remember to switch out the > multiband effects stages, especially the multiband limiter, unless you want to > use them aswell. multiband limiting is the work of the devil. there, I've said > it. Would that include TC Electronic's low-end multi-effects box as a candidate A>D interface? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 11:34:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12763; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:28:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:28:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:20:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: A. Belew loop album?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know if the Adrian Belew loop album ever got released? I thought I read something a while back that he was working on one/ or was going to release one. Thought the interview/article said he was working w/ shorter delay/loops of 2 sec or less, and he was using them real "rhythmic". just curious if anyone knew any details. s--- -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 11:49:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14262; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:45:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:45:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 08:43:09 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: [looper's]OT RE: A>D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DF4C81D.DA0EA759@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doesn't the EDP have a built in limiter? Mark Sottilaro Mark Hamburg wrote: > Would that include TC Electronic's low-end multi-effects box as a candidate > A>D interface? > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 11:55:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14672; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:50:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:50:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 08:47:33 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: GNX3 quirks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DF4C925.61C3DFB6@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021208181426.00a40710@pop3.freeler.nl> <3DF3A1ED.C3633DC3@zerocrossing.net> <002401c29fed$2a30c520$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right, I got one of these for my wife for her birthday (didn't get that killer price though!) and she likes it a lot, although you *need* to get a bigger Smartmedia card than the one it comes with. The newer PS02s will take a 128meg card, but they'll modify your unit if it one of the older units that only will read a 64meg card. Mark Sottilaro Butch wrote: > > << I think the addition of an audio recorder is just too much for this type > of device >> > > I think you can never have enough digital recorders. I saw where a local > music store had the Zoom PS02 teeny-tiny digital recorder for sale at $149 > (good price). I put one on layaway because "you can never have enough > digital recorders". Hehehe... > > Regards, Paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 12:38:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20394; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:30:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:30:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021209173000.73845.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:30:00 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: A. Belew loop album?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_Rv_qD.A.k-E.4MN99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That might be the one his official website is still calling "Adrian's New Solo Record (title to be announced)" which is scheduled to be released "2002 TBA"... Hmmmm, that leaves about three weeks, because we all know everything we read on the Internet is the gospel truth, and all sites are without exception updated nightly by little elves. 8^) -t- --- Scott Hansen wrote: > Does anyone know if the Adrian Belew loop album ever > got released? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 12:42:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20979; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:35:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:35:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c29fa9$8288fba0$f091ef18@earthlink.net> From: "Sarth" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9DF@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: [looper's]OT RE: A>D Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:36:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C29F7F.99344DC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C29F7F.99344DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's]OT RE: A>DHmm, I'm not sure who you are quoting about = individual compression, and If this weren't off topic to begin with, I'd = be curious as to why you think compressing individual instruments, in a = multitrack recording, is somehow worse than compressing ALL the = instruments. -- Sarth ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 6:38 AM Subject: [looper's]OT RE: A>D >>I don't know of any DAT machine that has limiting. (That doesn't = mean there=20 aren't any.)<<=20 most of the portables I've seen have a limiter. in my view, they are = indispensible on any a>d interface, where the idea is to make the = absolute best of digital's supposedly superior dynamic range. most = common practice amongst pros/broadcasters is to allow 18dB of "headroom" = above reference level (0dBu) in order that the broadcast signal's normal = allowance of +8dBu isn't in any danger of clipping. but analogue systems = of any sort are capable of rendering short duration transients and = overshoots far in excess of this, and the different ways they do it tend = to define, to some extent, their characteristic sound. 1/4" tape is a = good example.=20 my recommendation (and no, I don't get paid by them) is to use a tc = electronics box. doesn't matter which one, so long as it has the limiter = and the A>D converters. most of their units do. just remember to switch = out the multiband effects stages, especially the multiband limiter, = unless you want to use them aswell. multiband limiting is the work of = the devil. there, I've said it.=20 "the use of separate compressors on individual instruments, that = accompanied the widespread use of multitracks in recording studios, has = done more to damage our listening experiences than any other single = innovation, musical or technical. discuss." (hint: is the modern drumkit usually heard as a number of discrete = instruments by the person playing it?)=20 duncan/r.m.i.=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. 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Hmm, I'm not sure who you are quoting = about=20 individual compression, and If this weren't off topic to begin with, I'd = be=20 curious as to why you think compressing individual instruments, in a = multitrack=20 recording, is somehow worse than compressing ALL the = instruments.
 
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>>I don't know of any DAT machine that has=20 limiting.  (That doesn't mean there
aren't=20 any.)<<

most of the portables I've seen have a limiter. in = my view,=20 they are indispensible on any a>d interface, where the idea is to = make the=20 absolute best of digital's supposedly superior dynamic range. most = common=20 practice amongst pros/broadcasters is to allow 18dB of "headroom" = above=20 reference level (0dBu) in order that the broadcast signal's normal = allowance=20 of +8dBu isn't in any danger of clipping. but analogue systems of any = sort are=20 capable of rendering short duration transients and overshoots far in = excess of=20 this, and the different ways they do it tend to define, to some = extent, their=20 characteristic sound. 1/4" tape is a good example.

my recommendation (and no, I don't get paid by them) = is to use=20 a tc electronics box. doesn't matter which one, so long as it has the = limiter=20 and the A>D converters. most of their units do. just remember to = switch out=20 the multiband effects stages, especially the multiband limiter, unless = you=20 want to use them aswell. multiband limiting is the work of the devil. = there,=20 I've said it.

"the use of separate compressors on individual = instruments,=20 that accompanied the widespread use of multitracks in recording = studios, has=20 done more to damage our listening experiences than any other single=20 innovation, musical or technical. discuss."

(hint: is the modern drumkit usually heard as a = number of=20 discrete instruments by the person playing it?)

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------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C29F7F.99344DC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 13:30:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26995; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:25:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:25:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Midi Latency, was Re: Bob Sellon JamMan upgrade was midi-locked delays and stuff Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:27:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2002 18:25:07.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D0970C0:01C29FB0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Interesting comments from Bob regarding the whole MIDI latency issue in the > JamBoy. To be fair, I have found that the MIDI clock (both sending and > receiving) is fine in the JamMan, and it plays well with most other MIDI > stuff, even EDPs and 'peaters MY issue has been, and continues to be, the > latency in tapping in and out of loops (it is slight, but my stuff is highly > rhythmic, and those miliseconds add up....to frustrations). I honestly can't completely agree with you here, max. Yes there is latency introduced when using midi to control timing critical events. However, even if your pedal has a 5ms latency and the Jamman also has a 5ms latency, that's only 10ms latency, and that is similar to the latency that is needed for a switch closure! The real issue in using midi with looping, is whether that latency is _repeatable_. In other words if I can rely on the latency to always be 20ms from the moment that I press a button, I never have a problem. Say I press the button on beat1 to start looping. The loop will start recording 20ms late. Then if I press the button to end recording on beat1, the loop will stop recording 20ms late too. My loop ends up perfectly in rhythm! There is a limit to acceptable latency, because it will tend to clip the attack from any note I might play on beat1 - truthfully, I usually end a loop with the same sound as I start with, so for me this isn't an issue. On the other hand, if I can't rely on the latency and it is specified at 20ms +/- 15ms, then we have a problem! If its 5ms on the loop start, and 35 on the loop end, then we have a loop that is 30ms too long - BAD news. I admit _some_ midi devices can certainly have this problem, but in my experience I could only imagine this happening in a very poorly designed device or one that is compromised by a cost cutting design (usually at the software level). It is my understanding that a well trained human ear can hear differences in timing as little as 10ms. Therefore in my book, if the latency is repeatable to within +/- 5ms we're fine for a looper. This is not at all an unreasonable goal to expect of a midi chain. So, not being a jamman owner or user, I have to ask you Max: How have you compared midi control to foot-switch control? If you have seriously A/B'ed the two techniques and noticed concrete examples of midi control having rhythmic problems - I yield to your opinion 100%. It certainly is possible for the jamman to have problems with midi timing control. I'm not trying to be a midi evangelist, I would just hope that you give it a chance with a quality midi controller. I will offer to let you try out my behringer midi footcontroller next time we have a chance to meet up. Let us all know how you go... Jon ps. I have seriously A/B'ed midi control to foot-switch control on the repeater and echoplex and midi control has fared quite well. I consider my ear to be a well trained ear in the rhythmic sense and I cannot honestly detect a difference in timing between the two methods. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 13:45:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28282; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:42:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:42:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039458956!49170 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9F4@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [looper's]OT RE: A>D Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:29:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29FB0.F83441F0" Resent-Message-ID: <61Hd2B.A.05G.cQO99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29FB0.F83441F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Hmm, I'm not sure who you are quoting about individual compression, and If this weren't off topic to begin with, I'd be curious as to why you think compressing individual instruments, in a multitrack recording, is somehow worse than compressing ALL the instruments.<< er, yes. got me. I was ranting, and what's more, ranting on the wrong list. it would've made a lot more sense on the r-to-r list where I usually rant about things like this. fwiw, though, multiband and/or indvidual track compression leads to listener fatigue and is an entirely artificial experience. I am opposed to it especially when it comes to recording drums, all close-mic'd and separately gated/compressed. it's at odds with real-life experiences of dynamics- your own ears have a kind of comp-lim mechanism though it's more mechanical in operation..... the effect of a loud noise in nature is to reduce the perceived level of everything at once. a single compression process on a whole mix mimics this to some degree. multiband or track compression causes the energy level to vary constantly throughout the spectrum, irrespective of the overall dynamic of the content..... yada yada yada.... sorry 'bout that. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>Hmm, I'm not sure who you are quoting about individual compression, and If this weren't off topic to begin with, I'd be curious as to why you think compressing individual instruments, in a multitrack recording, is somehow worse than compressing ALL the instruments.<<
 
er, yes. got me. I was ranting, and what's more, ranting on the wrong list. it would've made a lot more sense on the r-to-r list where I usually rant about things like this. fwiw, though, multiband and/or indvidual track compression leads to listener fatigue and is an entirely artificial experience. I am opposed to it especially when it comes to recording drums, all close-mic'd and separately gated/compressed. it's at odds with real-life experiences of dynamics- your own ears have a kind of comp-lim mechanism though it's more mechanical in operation..... the effect of a loud noise in nature is to reduce the perceived level of everything at once. a single compression process on a whole mix mimics this to some degree. multiband or track compression causes the energy level to vary constantly throughout the spectrum, irrespective of the overall dynamic of the content..... yada yada yada....
 
 
sorry 'bout that.
 
duncan.


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29FB0.F83441F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 14:41:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01536; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:39:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:39:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021209193949.86482.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:39:49 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: OT: Radio Massacre International To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200212091212.HAA19744@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, now I have two RMI albums, having gotten Zabriskie Point in the mail with my latest Wayside shipment. This disc is a bit different from Planets In The Wires. PITW had a lot of sequencers going in places, given a vibe similiar to mid and late 70's Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze. On Zabriskie Point (which I admit I only chose over the other albums Wayside presently has on hand because of the title, plus the mention of a track from 1980 which appears on the disc), the sequencers are completely absent, giving a more ambient vibe, with the guitar given a lot of room to roam around. Nice disc! Can't wait to hear more. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 16:34:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11755; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:32:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:32:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rk93@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002401c29fed$2a30c520$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021208181426.00a40710@pop3.freeler.nl> <3DF3A1ED.C3633DC3@zerocrossing.net> <002401c29fed$2a30c520$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:32:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ritsu Katsumata Subject: Mac G4 midi software question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone-- I'm thinking of getting a Mac G4 to hook up my midi gear to, and wanted to know if there's any reason to spring for the Dual Processor models, or if the iMac 800Mhz is good enough. I heard that video editing and 3d modelling app's are optimized for dual processors, what about music software? Planning on using DP3, but open to suggestions -- thanks, -- Ritsu -------> http://www.ritsu.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 16:44:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12407; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:42:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:42:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DF50055.19E8725A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:43:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [looper's] OT re roland References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9D7@LON-MAIL07> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh boy. Yeah, my problem was not hardware related, and I am from the US. Sorry to hear of your plight. goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > >>I called Roland customer service........For customer service I > thought they were great.<< > > I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here- you're not in europe, > right? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 16:50:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12922; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:48:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:48:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: EDP "MetaButtons" - "Stored Procedures" - "Presets" - "Triggers" Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:49:59 -0500 Organization: Loudcloud, Inc. Message-ID: <012101c29fcc$ebd254d0$9940a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello List, Is there a way to "Preset" different modes in the edp? For example, you have a "mode" that you use for a specific effect or function, and it's defined as specific quantization value, insert mode, record mode, etc. 1. Is there any way to define a "mode" and then call that "mode" arbitrarily? 2. Is there any way to store a predefined button sequence in the edp? Sort of like a "metabutton" that sets you up? I've searched the archives, but found nothing pertinent to this. Am I just fantasizing, from a functional perspective? Am I just being lazy, from a pragmatic edp musician approach? I'd like to trigger a prescribed sequence of actions while I'm scratching on the turntables or singing, so that I can focus more on one instrument than the edp. Thanks for your responses. Dylan DeAnda -Trying to keep it simple: 1 turntable 1 mixer 1 edp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 17:54:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18656; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:51:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:51:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:50:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Ritsu, If you have the money, then opt for a dual processor. Whilst you will not gain too many benefits with your music software, it will make other applications such as image control run very very smoothly (especially under OSX). The software itself for OSX is not necessarily optimised for dual processors - it is the Operating System itself that is designed for multi-processor support. Go for it :) (I'm jealous).... - Stuart (and his little ibook) On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:32 PM, Ritsu Katsumata wrote: > Hi everyone-- > > I'm thinking of getting a Mac G4 to hook up my midi gear to, and > wanted to know if there's any reason to spring for the Dual Processor > models, or if the iMac 800Mhz is good enough. I heard that video > editing and 3d modelling app's are optimized for dual processors, what > about music software? > > Planning on using DP3, but open to suggestions -- thanks, -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 18:36:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22137; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:29:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:29:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021209232838.88261.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:28:38 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: A. Belew loop album?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes i read he is using a preset delay from his Johnson millenium amp he is very hip into the idea of pitch shifting very short ones rather than long loops keep me informed as well L.a > Does anyone know if the Adrian Belew loop album ever > got > released? I thought I read something a while back > that he > was working on one/ or was going to release one. > Thought the interview/article said he was working w/ > shorter delay/loops > of 2 sec or less, and he was using them real > "rhythmic". > just curious if anyone knew any details. > s--- > -- > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 18:46:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23122; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:44:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:44:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c29fdc$dc551460$9f68389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "nicholson_matt" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021208181426.00a40710@pop3.freeler.nl> <3DF3A1ED.C3633DC3@zerocrossing.net> <002401c29fed$2a30c520$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:44:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1086 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1086 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2002 23:44:05.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC35CC90:01C29FDC] Resent-Message-ID: <8DOag.A.MpF.srS99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Personally I'm considering selling my dual proc 500mhz G4 and getting a Titanium notebook. The benefits I've been getting from the dual processor has been fewer than I was expecting. The latest versions of Photoshop and Final Cut Pro seem to be the two biggest apps to benefit from the dual processors. My dual proc still runs great though, and with a Radeon 8500 video card the OS itself runs fast and smooth like mercury, I could really use the portability of a Titanium though. Hmm, decisions decisions. -- Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ritsu Katsumata" To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: Mac G4 midi software question > Hi everyone-- > > I'm thinking of getting a Mac G4 to hook up my midi gear to, and > wanted to know if there's any reason to spring for the Dual Processor > models, or if the iMac 800Mhz is good enough. I heard that video > editing and 3d modelling app's are optimized for dual processors, > what about music software? > > Planning on using DP3, but open to suggestions -- thanks, > > -- > Ritsu > -------> http://www.ritsu.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 19:12:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26302; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:10:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:10:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021210001011.24417.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:10:11 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001e01c29fdc$dc551460$9f68389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When the dual processor G4 was first introduced, I read a review in which the point was made that the *real* benefits of the second processor wouldn't really show themselves in their full glory until software written to take advantage of it started to become more common. A lot of the older softs, the reviewer maintained, would work pretty much the way they did before, and he even mentioned a few cases in which they'd run more slowly, believe it or not. I have no idea if what the guy wrote was true, but he seemed liked HE believed it! -t- --- nicholson_matt wrote: > The benefits I've been getting > from the dual processor > has been fewer than I was expecting. The latest > versions of Photoshop and > Final Cut Pro seem to be the two biggest apps to > benefit from the dual > processors __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 19:18:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26916; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:17:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:17:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014101c29fe2$076e7560$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <20021210001011.24417.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:21:04 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 00:10:AM Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question > When the dual processor G4 was first introduced, I > read a review in which the point was made that the > *real* benefits of the second processor wouldn't > really show themselves in their full glory until > software written to take advantage of it started to > become more common. A lot of the older softs, the > reviewer maintained, would work pretty much the way > they did before, and he even mentioned a few cases in > which they'd run more slowly, believe it or not. I > have no idea if what the guy wrote was true, but he > seemed liked HE believed it! It's true, no matter what platform you're on. Unless the software is written to take advantage of a second processor in order to divide up the work it needs done, or the software THAT software is running under does so, you won't see an advantage. > -t- > > --- nicholson_matt wrote: > > The benefits I've been getting > > from the dual processor > > has been fewer than I was expecting. The latest > > versions of Photoshop and > > Final Cut Pro seem to be the two biggest apps to > > benefit from the dual > > processors > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 20:29:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32154; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:28:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:28:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:28:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092028.AA123339076@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm pretty sure that DP3 is optimized for Dual Processors and I think Logic is as well. It's more an issue of Portability of the machine itself, I think. from the motu website: "Digital Performer supports multiple processors so if you have a dual processor CPU, you get nearly twice as much processing power as a single processor. Digital Performer's multiple processor engine is fully compatible with all MOTU Audio System plug-ins - even those from third party vendors." I heard that the 667 Mhz and 800 Mhz TiBooks had issues with performance of audio apps because of cache issues. The cache was optimized for video applications (throughput vs latency). This meant that if you had a looping MAX patch or reverb or something that your performace was about equal to the 400-500 Mhz TiBook. Anyone done any tests with the newest TiBooks? Also, how bad is a high-end iBook vs a medium-end TiBook for Max/Reaktor/DP3/Live? I've been thinking of getting an iBook for my live and traveling sound use, but should I just save up for a TiBook replacement for my TiBook 400 Mhz that is on loan? Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 20:41:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00676; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:41:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:41:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:41:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092041.AA178258060@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It's true, no matter what platform you're on. Unless the software is >written to take advantage of a second processor in order to divide up the >work it needs done, or the software THAT software is running under does so, >you won't see an advantage. > OSX has the scheduler from the MACH kernel, right? You definitely shouldn't see a decrease in performance of any app running under OSX, which was maybe your point. Contention for shared resources might still decrease the relative performance, but not to the extent of running the same apps under a single-processor environment. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 23:06:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12197; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:01:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:01:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c2a000$8c8a1920$46f15cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for December 7, 2002 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:59:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown on 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #13 December 7, 2002. PLAYLIST: Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Redshift Leviathans Halo (Distant Sun) Alpha Wave Movement Mapping the Heavens A Distant Sugnal (HRR) Max van Richter Resurrection Resurrection (Neu Harmony) Tranzit Pulsarz Trans-Rapid (Groove) Otarion Places Without Traces Creator (Neu Harmony) The Glimmer Room Terminal Individuality Tomorrow's Tuesday (Neu Harmony) Rob Essers The Ability to Dream Raincolors (Groove) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Rudy Adrian and Night Sky (Part 2) Across the Silver Sky (Groove) Ron Boots Steve Howe and Turn of the Century Tales from Yesterday (Magna Annie Haslam Carta) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Mangala Vallis The Book of Dreams The Book of Dreams (Tamburo a Vapore) Steve Hackett Watcher of the Skies The Tokyo Tapes (Original Masters) Spock's Beard Beware of Darkness Beware of Darkness (Radiant) Star Castle Fountains Chronos I (Sunsinger) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in one month on January 4. Happy Holidays!! Bill =============================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 00:09:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17279; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:07:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:07:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DF5068E.382D@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:10:03 +0000 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kungha@earthlink.net CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater for sale References: <200212092028.AA123339076@mail.unitcircle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater, along with footswitch and 128mb Simple Tech card. 650.00 OBO ART X-15 75.00 Please e-mail me off list, THANKS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 01:25:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22302; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:23:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:23:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 22:16:30 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DF586BE.3936B616@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021208181426.00a40710@pop3.freeler.nl> <3DF3A1ED.C3633DC3@zerocrossing.net> <002401c29fed$2a30c520$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For sure go with the dual if you can swing it. Why? OSX *does* use a dual processor. If you've got one and Digital Performer 4, which was supposed to be already released (late 2002 release...) will be written for OSX. Also, I use DP3 in conjunction with a MOTU 828 and I really like it. It's POLAR loop module is a really great software loop tool. Remember, you can't have a computer that's too fast or too much memory. Mark Sottilaro Ritsu Katsumata wrote: > > Hi everyone-- > > I'm thinking of getting a Mac G4 to hook up my midi gear to, and > wanted to know if there's any reason to spring for the Dual Processor > models, or if the iMac 800Mhz is good enough. I heard that video > editing and 3d modelling app's are optimized for dual processors, > what about music software? > > Planning on using DP3, but open to suggestions -- thanks, > > -- > Ritsu > -------> http://www.ritsu.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 04:50:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04809; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:44:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:44:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c2a030$dd999720$8ef9abd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: References: <200212092028.AA123339076@mail.unitcircle.com> <3DF5068E.382D@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Repeater for sale Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:45:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <3e0XHC.A._KB.Meb99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ciao, what does it mean "obo art x-15"? Are you in US? Can You send in italy? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 09:29:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25606; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:26:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:26:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Nord Modular Keyboard for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9b Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:25:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The nord modular is one of the deepest synths i have ever used. wonderful intuitive design. full of suprises and beauty. sadly i have to sell it as i need a new tibook. so.... if you are interested give me a call: will also trade for/towards a tibook. call or email me 770 960 4378:work 678 432 2714:home From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 12:38:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09890; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:36:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:36:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Mac G4 midi software question Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:30:50 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c2a072$e0b48cc0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Stuart, Hi Ritsu, another point I have yet to understand: why a Mac? (except for an uncanny desire to use Emagic software). While I do well understand the valid points of the anti-ms/intel fraction, I cannot see (from my uninformed point of view) the real advantage of a Mac. Is it better suited for harddisk-recording, audio processing, or something else ? Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) > [mailto:loopers-delight@solostring.com] > Sent: Montag, 9. Dezember 2002 23:51 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question > > > Hi Ritsu, > > If you have the money, then opt for a dual processor. Whilst you will > not gain too many benefits with your music software, it will > make other > applications such as image control run very very smoothly (especially > under OSX). > > The software itself for OSX is not necessarily optimised for dual > processors - it is the Operating System itself that is designed for > multi-processor support. > > Go for it :) (I'm jealous).... > > - Stuart (and his little ibook) > > > On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:32 PM, Ritsu Katsumata wrote: > > > Hi everyone-- > > > > I'm thinking of getting a Mac G4 to hook up my midi gear to, and > > wanted to know if there's any reason to spring for the Dual > Processor > > models, or if the iMac 800Mhz is good enough. I heard that video > > editing and 3d modelling app's are optimized for dual > processors, what > > about music software? > > > > Planning on using DP3, but open to suggestions -- thanks, > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 12:50:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11069; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:49:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:49:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:48:16 +0100 Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000701c2a072$e0b48cc0$0601a8c0@SATAN> Message-Id: <900283BB-0C67-11D7-936D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > why a Mac? One word - Reliability. Before I switched to mac, I spent a number of years working with PC's, and encountered so many problems with PC/Windows systems... Blue screen of death, random strange problems.... I'd just had enough. I think the problems with PC's lie with the sheer diversity of processors, motherboards, cards, peripherals etc. etc. There are always driver conflicts, software glitches and basic screw-ups with Microsoft's bloated OS. With Macs, there is just one producer of computers - Apple. They also write (and do a very good job of it) the OS. It works. Sure they cost more than a comparable PC, but at what price is reliability? Whilst Mac systems are certainly not 100% problem free, I do have the confidence to use them in live performances which I would never have with a PC setup. Thats my 0.2c :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 13:10:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13392; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:03:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:03:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039543425!48921 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA0C@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: macs & pretend-computers Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:57:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A075.A2922620" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A075.A2922620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> why a Mac? One word - Reliability. Before I switched to mac, I spent a number of years working with PC's, and encountered so many problems with PC/Windows systems... Blue screen of death, random strange problems.... Microsoft's bloated OS......Thats my 0.2c :)<<< I'm just going to chuck my 2 centimes in right afterwards and say nowt. except that pc's, in general, seem to be an end in their own right; something to tinker with as much as use. macs are just there to do the job, no arsing about w/ *.dll's, *.inf's and all that meaningless shite. I have to run two separate hard drives in the pc, one for my artwork apps and one for audio/midi stuff. they cannot co-exist. w2k is 64 million lines of code on it's own, before you even do anything with it. but I said I wasn't going to go on about it. I (heart symbol) my i-mac. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A075.A2922620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: macs & pretend-computers

>>> why a Mac?

One word - Reliability.

Before I switched to mac, I spent a number of years worki= ng with PC's,
and encountered so many problems with PC/Windows systems= ... Blue screen
of death, random strange problems....  Microsoft's =
bloated OS......Thats my 0.2c :)<<<

I'm just going to chuck my 2 centimes in right afterwards= and say nowt. except that pc's, in general, seem to be an end in their own= right; something to tinker with as much as use. macs are just there to do = the job, no arsing about w/ *.dll's, *.inf's and all that meaningless shite= .

I have to run two separate hard drives in the pc, one for= my artwork apps and one for audio/midi stuff. they cannot co-exist.=

w2k is 64 million lines of code on it's own, before you e= ven do anything with it.
but I said I wasn't going to go on about it. I (heart sy= mbol) my i-mac.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A075.A2922620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 13:28:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15127; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:24:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:24:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c2a077$daca0420$7087abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <000901c2a000$8c8a1920$46f15cd1@LocalHost> Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for December 7, 2002 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:13:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bill, I think you maybe can help with tracking an old (1983) album called Pictures from a band called the Pictures. It had been published by EG. I had it on vinyl, and now have it no more. Do you know if there's a chance to find it somewhere ? thanks, Luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 13:33:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15469; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:31:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:31:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c2a078$d1806ed0$7087abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <000901c2a000$8c8a1920$46f15cd1@LocalHost> <001b01c2a077$daca0420$7087abd4@giow2000> Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for December 7, 2002 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:20:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com whoops.... intended to send it directly to Bill, sorry guys. ------------------------------ www.unguitar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "luca" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 7:13 PM Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for December 7, 2002 > Hi Bill, > I think you maybe can help with tracking an old (1983) album called Pictures > from a band called the Pictures. > It had been published by EG. > I had it on vinyl, and now have it no more. > Do you know if there's a chance to find it somewhere ? > thanks, > Luca > > www.unguitar.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 13:47:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16636; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:43:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:43:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:40:23 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DF63517.F621D011@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <900283BB-0C67-11D7-936D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't agree with you more Stuart. I work in a company that's all Wintel boxes, except for our Video editing suite and the Art director and myself (designer/animator). I've just seen *too* many weird conflicts and problems on the Windows platform, even though all the Wintel boxes (running W2K) are just running office for the most part. Our web server? Mac too. I asked our IS guy and he said, "stability mostly." All the PCs are locked down so no one can make any changes or install anything, but the macs are left alone. Why? "I just don't have any problems with them." But, I think there's another issue here as well. OSX. It's really the biggest reason I didn't go from my old Power Mac to a PC. I've not yet tried v. 10.2, but 10.1 is like a rock. Occasionally apps will go down, but the OS itself remains untouched. It just "feels" better. I can't wait until Digital Performer 4 comes out and I can stay in OSX all the time. With it's built in MIDI functions and protected memory system I believe that now that ProTools has been ported to it, it will become the industry standard for music. Mark Sottilaro "Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" wrote: > > > why a Mac? > > One word - Reliability. > > Before I switched to mac, I spent a number of years working with PC's, > and encountered so many problems with PC/Windows systems... Blue screen > of death, random strange problems.... I'd just had enough. I think the > problems with PC's lie with the sheer diversity of processors, > motherboards, cards, peripherals etc. etc. There are always driver > conflicts, software glitches and basic screw-ups with Microsoft's > bloated OS. > > With Macs, there is just one producer of computers - Apple. They also > write (and do a very good job of it) the OS. It works. Sure they cost > more than a comparable PC, but at what price is reliability? > > Whilst Mac systems are certainly not 100% problem free, I do have the > confidence to use them in live performances which I would never have > with a PC setup. > > Thats my 0.2c :) > > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 13:50:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17079; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:47:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:47:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021210133718.0287cea0@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: rk93@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:47:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ritsu Katsumata Subject: Re: Mac G4 vs ibook/imac In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
At 11:50 PM 12/9/2002 +0100, you wrote:

- Stuart (and his little ibook)



And how does your ibook do?  Do you do all your writing/looping music making on the ibook as well as performing with it? 

I figured that the 1 GB Dual Proc with a reasonable monitor will cost me about $850 more than the imac with the 17" screen, 800 MHz cpu and 258 MB Ram.  Will the Dual Proc give me $850 worth of value?  Will an imac be a lot of trouble?  I heard that a lot of the early imacs were duds.

Thanks to everyone for all the good advice--

Ritsu



From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 14:04:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19541; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:00:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:00:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c2a07e$8f5dae40$877d2dd5@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: References: <200212092028.AA123339076@mail.unitcircle.com> <3DF5068E.382D@earthlink.net> <002501c2a030$dd999720$8ef9abd4@tin.it> Subject: Controlling Repeater with fcb1010... Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:01:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi to You all... I see that nobody want to play to make a virtual perfect looper... Well... ;) Ok, i have a question... With a behringer fcb1010 midi foot controller i can do what i can do with a digitech fs300 plus other things, or i would need both pedals? Also, is it possible with just one fcb1010 to control more midi units separately, without having to divide pedal's button between these units (so that, for example, if i have one unit i ca use all 10 buttons for that unit, but if i put another one i will have 5 buttons for the first and 5 for the second), nor having the two units to change at the same time? I would like to have a possibility to control repeater, and then, pressing a button, the midi controls of the pedals would affect only another unit and not the repeater. So i have not to buy two fcb1010! Thanks for answering... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 14:07:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19476; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:00:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:00:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:59:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3DF4D044000019FA@mta5.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3DF63517.F621D011@zerocrossing.net> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA19455 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not a Mac-person, myself, but I worked at Apple for a year in the 'ProMedia' group, and I can vouch for the brainshare in the OS X audio group... they have people who have worked at companies like OSC and Opcode, and thus have been deeply involved in audio/MIDI on the Mac for many years... They are getting the chance to 'do it right' this time, and the architecture looked great when I was there... of course, I have alot of time and money invested in the wintel world, and I have faith in companies like steinberg and sonic foundry to continue to produce quality software for that platform... as well as personally knowing the ins/outs of audio/midi software development issues... But, I'm sure once I have enough cash to throw at a Mac I'll add one to my studio... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:40:23 -0800 >From: Mark >Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >I can't agree with you more Stuart. I work in a company that's all >Wintel boxes, except for our Video editing suite and the Art director >and myself (designer/animator). I've just seen *too* many weird >conflicts and problems on the Windows platform, even though all the >Wintel boxes (running W2K) are just running office for the most part. >Our web server? Mac too. I asked our IS guy and he said, "stability >mostly." All the PCs are locked down so no one can make any changes or >install anything, but the macs are left alone. Why? "I just don't have >any problems with them." > >But, I think there's another issue here as well. OSX. It's really the >biggest reason I didn't go from my old Power Mac to a PC. I've not yet >tried v. 10.2, but 10.1 is like a rock. Occasionally apps will go down, >but the OS itself remains untouched. It just "feels" better. I can't >wait until Digital Performer 4 comes out and I can stay in OSX all the >time. With it's built in MIDI functions and protected memory system I >believe that now that ProTools has been ported to it, it will become the >industry standard for music. > >Mark Sottilaro > >"Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" wrote: >> >> > why a Mac? >> >> One word - Reliability. >> >> Before I switched to mac, I spent a number of years working with PC's, >> and encountered so many problems with PC/Windows systems... Blue screen >> of death, random strange problems.... I'd just had enough. I think the >> problems with PC's lie with the sheer diversity of processors, >> motherboards, cards, peripherals etc. etc. There are always driver >> conflicts, software glitches and basic screw-ups with Microsoft's >> bloated OS. >> >> With Macs, there is just one producer of computers - Apple. They also >> write (and do a very good job of it) the OS. It works. Sure they cost >> more than a comparable PC, but at what price is reliability? >> >> Whilst Mac systems are certainly not 100% problem free, I do have the >> confidence to use them in live performances which I would never have >> with a PC setup. >> >> Thats my 0.2c :) >> >> -- >> Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 14:16:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20527; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:15:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:15:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d301c2a080$6df5d280$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200212092028.AA123339076@mail.unitcircle.com> <3DF5068E.382D@earthlink.net> <002501c2a030$dd999720$8ef9abd4@tin.it> <001901c2a07e$8f5dae40$877d2dd5@tin.it> Subject: Re: Controlling Repeater with fcb1010... Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:14:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Amleto! > I see that nobody want to play to make a virtual perfect looper... > Well... > ;) > Ok, i have a question... > With a behringer fcb1010 midi foot controller i can do what i can do with a > digitech fs300 plus other things, or i would need both pedals? > . . . Others can give better advice for your Behringer/Digitech foot controller question than I (since I don't have either). But though your "what's the perfect looper" question might seem intriguing, it borders on a religious issue among LD denizens. It's rather like asking "What's the best guitar?" or "What's the best book?" or "What's the best band?" It's apt to produce more heat than light. So it's probably good that we didn't get into it as we might have had to don the asbestos suits before it was over. I will, however, answer in a Zen-like fashion: The "best looper" is whatever looper you enjoy using the most right now. Tomorow may find you at the store again. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 14:26:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21140; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:25:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:25:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:28:07 -0800 Subject: Yamaha AW 16G? From: Ernie Mansfield To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200212051641.LAA29337@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone checked out the Yamaha AW 16G digital recorder? It claims - in addtion to being a 16+ recorder - to have looping "on the fly" capabilities, and also store samples, which are use-create-able, and triggered from buttons on the front panel. Also, it claims to have effects, and digital mixing capability. The looping "on the fly" calims to have 180 seconds of looping, which can then be assigned to a recording channel. However, I do not know how much variation is offered in the looping part - whether there are any levels of undo, etc. There is also MIDI control, and a footswitch. It looks as if this were designed mainly for recording, but with a few other interesting features. However, I have not yet seen a review of this. Anybody know any more about it? -- Ernie Mansfield Mansfield Music -- http://www.mansfieldmusic.com ernie@mansfieldmusic.com -- Hear my music at: http://www.mp3.com/erniemansfield From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 14:41:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22034; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:35:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:35:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021210193349.24173.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:33:49 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Apple issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <900283BB-0C67-11D7-936D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You guys are slowly convincing me to buy a mac! I did work with G4´s a while back but they weren´t crash free, but with windows ME i tell you i am loosing hair and the few left turning gray! I ve heard XP is better but my soundcard is having major issues with its drivers for it... So now that we are on the subject how compatible are Macs with all of the the new flat monitors? do they have to be from apple as well? I also read a major complaint in the papers for new mac users having to buy i think itools extra for 100dlls. now that wouldn´t be very generous from apple would it? cheers L.a wrote: > > why a Mac? > > One word - Reliability. > > Before I switched to mac, I spent a number of years > working with PC's, > and encountered so many problems with PC/Windows > systems... Blue screen > of death, random strange problems.... I'd just had > enough. I think the > problems with PC's lie with the sheer diversity of > processors, > motherboards, cards, peripherals etc. etc. There are > always driver > conflicts, software glitches and basic screw-ups > with Microsoft's > bloated OS. > > With Macs, there is just one producer of computers - > Apple. They also > write (and do a very good job of it) the OS. It > works. Sure they cost > more than a comparable PC, but at what price is > reliability? > > Whilst Mac systems are certainly not 100% problem > free, I do have the > confidence to use them in live performances which I > would never have > with a PC setup. > > Thats my 0.2c :) > > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - > http://SoloString.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 14:41:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22383; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:39:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:39:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c2a083$cc58b240$9f68389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "nicholson_matt" To: References: <000701c2a072$e0b48cc0$0601a8c0@SATAN> Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:39:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1086 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1086 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2002 19:39:12.0716 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0FC70C0:01C2A083] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Output latency is probably the biggest reason why I use a Mac w/ OSX. A simple example would be Propellerheads Reason 2.0, since they kindly ship both Windows and Mac versions on the same disc. I can never get the latency down below 50ms in Windows XP before the sound starts to stutter. Mac OSX on the other hand, I suppose since I'm using the built-in sound and drivers, gets a 1ms latency with no stuttering. It appears to me that Apple has taken a huge stride in their audio support since Mac OSX was released. I'd be shocked if the newest Titaniums have the audio performance of an iBook considering iBooks have G3 processors and Titaniums are usually loaded with 512mb of RAM standard. Since I'm considering going for a Titanium myself, I'd definitely be interested in reading about its audio performance from anyone who owns one. -- Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:30 AM Subject: RE: Mac G4 midi software question > Hey Stuart, Hi Ritsu, > > another point I have yet to understand: why a Mac? (except for an uncanny > desire to use Emagic software). While I do well understand the valid points > of the anti-ms/intel fraction, I cannot see (from my uninformed point of > view) the real advantage of a Mac. Is it better suited for > harddisk-recording, audio processing, or something else ? > > Rainer > > Rainer Straschill > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) > > [mailto:loopers-delight@solostring.com] > > Sent: Montag, 9. Dezember 2002 23:51 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question > > > > > > Hi Ritsu, > > > > If you have the money, then opt for a dual processor. Whilst you will > > not gain too many benefits with your music software, it will > > make other > > applications such as image control run very very smoothly (especially > > under OSX). > > > > The software itself for OSX is not necessarily optimised for dual > > processors - it is the Operating System itself that is designed for > > multi-processor support. > > > > Go for it :) (I'm jealous).... > > > > - Stuart (and his little ibook) > > > > > > On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:32 PM, Ritsu Katsumata wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone-- > > > > > > I'm thinking of getting a Mac G4 to hook up my midi gear to, and > > > wanted to know if there's any reason to spring for the Dual > > Processor > > > models, or if the iMac 800Mhz is good enough. I heard that video > > > editing and 3d modelling app's are optimized for dual > > processors, what > > > about music software? > > > > > > Planning on using DP3, but open to suggestions -- thanks, > > -- > > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 14:41:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21993; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:35:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:35:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039548893!53154 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA0E@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: Controlling Repeater with fcb1010... Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:28:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A082.5E37E7F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A082.5E37E7F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>With a behringer fcb1010 midi foot controller i can do what i can do with a digitech fs300 plus other things, or i would need both pedals?............ I would like to have a possibility to control repeater, and then, pressing a button, the midi controls of the pedals would affect only another unit and not the repeater. So i have not to buy two fcb1010! Thanks for answering...<<< I think I get y'r drift. I have some reservations about the fcb1010, but I haven't really done much with mine, and it seems to be quite popular.... amongst my reservations is this, though. and please, list-members, correct me if I'm wrong: you set up the midi channel for each pedal /globally/. so if your 'peater is on ch15 and y'r fx box is on ch14, they get (say) five pedals each and that's that. then all of the presets you program will have five pedals doing something on ch15 and the other five on ch14. what I don't like about the fcb is this: the pedals recall presets in the fcb1010. each preset is a snapshot, and may contain up to x-number of programme changes (5, is it?), two controller values, a note-on, set-ups for the pedals (upper & lower limits and an initial value). I may have the details wrong but that's basically what the fcb1010 does. so you might have to programme an entire preset and recall it even if all you want to do is issue a single PC command to (say) put 'peater into record on track 2. this eats up the fcb1010's memory quite quickly and means you can't put things where you want them in terms of (say) having transport commands at the bottom and track selects at the top. and, as I noted before (excuse the pun), the tap tempo works by sending a note-on when you hit a pedal.... but the pedal has to recall the preset to do this, so those controller values that were initialised by the preset the first time you recalled it, they get initialised again. so if one of them is controlling the pitch of one of y'r 'peater tracks and you've altered it with a keyboard or the front panel, the fcb1010 is going to unalter it for you when you go to tap your tempo in. I wanted a footboard where there were ten switches that could be programmed to send any midi string I wanted, and two controller pedals that could send any CC on any channel. there'd be another pair of switches to change presets, and each preset would have it's own optional setup string that would be sent when it was selected. you might be able to use the fcb1010 like you want if the PC's don't all coincide, but it's a bit unlikely. and I imagine that I'd have a hard time working the repeater without the comforting immediacy of the hard-wired footswitch (the fs300), however the fcb1010 was set up. anyway. just my thoughts. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A082.5E37E7F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: Controlling Repeater with fcb1010...

>>With a behringer fcb1010 midi foot controller i c= an do what i can do with a
digitech fs300 plus other things, or i would need both p= edals?............
I would like to have a possibility to control repeater, = and then, pressing a
button, the midi controls of the pedals would affect onl= y another unit and
not the repeater. So i have not to buy two fcb1010!
Thanks for answering...<<<

I think I get y'r drift. I have some reservations about t= he fcb1010, but I haven't really done much with mine, and it seems to be qu= ite popular....

amongst my reservations is this, though. and please, list= -members, correct me if I'm wrong: you set up the midi channel for each ped= al /globally/. so if your 'peater is on ch15 and y'r fx box is on ch14, the= y get (say) five pedals each and that's that. then all of the presets you p= rogram will have five pedals doing something on ch15 and the other five on = ch14.

what I don't like about the fcb is this: the pedals recal= l presets in the fcb1010. each preset is a snapshot, and may contain up to = x-number of programme changes (5, is it?), two controller values, a note-on= , set-ups for the pedals (upper & lower limits and an initial value). I= may have the details wrong but that's basically what the fcb1010 does. so = you might have to programme an entire preset and recall it even if all you = want to do is issue a single PC command to (say) put 'peater into record on= track 2. this eats up the fcb1010's memory quite quickly and means you can= 't put things where you want them in terms of (say) having transport comman= ds at the bottom and track selects at the top. and, as I noted before (excu= se the pun), the tap tempo works by sending a note-on when you hit a pedal.= ... but the pedal has to recall the preset to do this, so those controller = values that were initialised by the preset the first time you recalled it, = they get initialised again. so if one of them is controlling the pitch of o= ne of y'r 'peater tracks and you've altered it with a keyboard or the front= panel, the fcb1010 is going to unalter it for you when you go to tap your = tempo in.

I wanted a footboard where there were ten switches that c= ould be programmed to send any midi string I wanted, and two controller ped= als that could send any CC on any channel. there'd be another pair of switc= hes to change presets, and each preset would have it's own optional setup s= tring that would be sent when it was selected.

you might be able to use the fcb1010 like you want if the= PC's don't all coincide, but it's a bit unlikely. and I imagine that I'd h= ave a hard time working the repeater without the comforting immediacy of th= e hard-wired footswitch (the fs300), however the fcb1010 was set up.=

anyway. just my thoughts.

duncan.




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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A082.5E37E7F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 14:55:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23780; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:54:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:54:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.147.49.88] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: G3 powerbook running protools LE Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:52:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2002 19:52:15.0456 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3891600:01C2A085] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Folks, I just picked up the Mbox & so I have crossed over to the dark side (just kidding :p) Anyway, I plan on installing the software onto G3 powerbook 500mhz, 256k ram. I know plugins take a lot of memory but is this ok to start with or am I going to run into a problem right at the start Grazie LOU ps. is anybody using pluggo? that looks like it has some fun stuff & it is a lot less then MAX/MSP _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 15:07:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26015; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:06:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:06:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nathan Bannow" To: Subject: RE: Mac G4 midi software question Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:06:49 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004901c2a083$cc58b240$9f68389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "A simple example would be Propellerheads Reason 2.0, since they kindly ship both Windows and Mac versions on the same disc. I can never get the latency down below 50ms in Windows XP before the sound starts to stutter. Mac OSX on the other hand, I suppose since I'm using the built-in sound and drivers, gets a 1ms latency with no stuttering." This is your setup, not a generic Windows/Intel problem. Get better hardware, and your latency will drop. Using an old Sound Blaster Live! & Windows ME-or-2000 I get a consistent 4-8ms under HEAVY load. The "curse" of a million different pieces of hardware all made from different manufacturers usually only strikes on cheap hardware. With quality hardware comes quality tech support and drivers, in my experience at least. -Nathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 15:12:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26408; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:10:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:10:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c2a088$19f18410$9f68389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "nicholson_matt" To: References: <20021210193349.24173.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Apple issues Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:09:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1086 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1086 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2002 20:10:01.0360 (UTC) FILETIME=[1EDD2100:01C2A088] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Louie, Apple has been improving their 3rd party flatscreen monitor support since they started including video cards with DVI-I connectors such as the GeForce 4 and ATI Radeon 9000. Granted, there's probably no flatscreen out there better than Apple's 23" HD Cinema Display, but you can find 15" and 17" flatscreens that are more affordable than Apple's. I recommend the ATI card, it looks like Apple only uses the MX line of cards from nVidia, which are severely cut down in 3D graphics features. iTools (renamed .Mac) really just isn't all that useful except for freeware downloads, but you can find all the same stuff out on the web it's just not as convenient as having a .Mac account. -- Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louie Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: Apple issues > You guys are slowly convincing me to buy a mac! > I did work with G4´s a while back but they weren´t > crash free, but with windows ME i tell you i am > loosing hair and the few left turning gray! > I ve heard XP is better but my soundcard is having > major issues with its drivers for it... > So now that we are on the subject how compatible are > Macs with all of the the new flat monitors? do they > have to be from apple as well? I also read a major > complaint in the papers for new mac users having to > buy i think itools extra for 100dlls. now that > wouldn´t be very generous from apple would it? > cheers > L.a > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > why a Mac? > > > > One word - Reliability. > > > > Before I switched to mac, I spent a number of years > > working with PC's, > > and encountered so many problems with PC/Windows > > systems... Blue screen > > of death, random strange problems.... I'd just had > > enough. I think the > > problems with PC's lie with the sheer diversity of > > processors, > > motherboards, cards, peripherals etc. etc. There are > > always driver > > conflicts, software glitches and basic screw-ups > > with Microsoft's > > bloated OS. > > > > With Macs, there is just one producer of computers - > > Apple. They also > > write (and do a very good job of it) the OS. It > > works. Sure they cost > > more than a comparable PC, but at what price is > > reliability? > > > > Whilst Mac systems are certainly not 100% problem > > free, I do have the > > confidence to use them in live performances which I > > would never have > > with a PC setup. > > > > Thats my 0.2c :) > > > > -- > > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - > > http://SoloString.com > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 15:22:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28257; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:20:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:20:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:20:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200212101520.AA149749910@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: macs & pretend-computers X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <83BG3B.A.b5G._xk99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>> why a Mac? > >One word - Reliability. > No offense, but I've never bought into this argument. I've seen way too many Macs die on stage or in rehearsals to buy that they are any more reliable in general than a PC. The main reason IMHO to use a mac is the software that you run on it that you can't run on a PC. If you want to use Max, DP3(4), Logic, etc... You need a mac. I own both PCs and Macs and use them both for music stuff. I've tuned my "music" PC so that it never crashes, ever. The PC that I use for everything else, like e-mail, web, office, etc... crashes all the time, but I think that that has more to do with the fact of all the software that I've installed and removed and the kind of creeping crud that happens with any system over years of use. When I was using the Mac for more than just music stuff, I was crashing it once or twice a week. I finally wiped it and started from scratch and now it is pretty reliable, but I still wouldn't trust it as my sole sound source in a live environment. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 15:32:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30232; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:26:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:26:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Mac G4 midi software question Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:26:32 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001201c2a08a$6e007550$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3DF4D044000019FA@mta5.wss.scd.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA30206 Resent-Message-ID: <_KZM5D.A.SYH.73k99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Chris Roberts [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] > I'm not a Mac-person, myself, but I worked at Apple for a > year in the 'ProMedia' group, and I can vouch for the > brainshare in the OS X audio group... That's nice to hear! I'd like to buy a new Mac in a year or two if there will be a new product line of Apple machines with faster processors (to be able to continue working with Logic). After leaving my old Atari in -94 I went Mac since there were no alternatives back then. In -98 I bought my first Windows box and now I'm using mainly PCs on WinXP. It's true that you can get a lot more CPU power and bang for the buck along the pc road but you really have to put some serious efforts into learning about the parts of your machine. Not every motherboard on the market is doing fine with every processor. The bottom line is that you will probably run into trouble if you buy a PC for audio use right off the shell. If you want a strong and stable PC you have to pick the parts and also maintain the system in a good way. I keep separate, bootable, system partitions (hidden from each other) and never install any software other than the audio applications into the studio partition. If I want to use the Office Suite I reboot into that partition. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 15:51:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00997; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:48:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:48:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DF6528E.7A353B1D@ubuibi.org> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:46:07 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question References: <900283BB-0C67-11D7-936D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <3DF63517.F621D011@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmm a likewise situation for myself when i was working hardware at the academy of art..... we had 3 people running a network of over 800 g4's (os9,) with students hammering them with over 20 applications, meanwhile the winhell i.t. department needed 15+ people to run the admin boxes with perhaps 6 apps for perhaps 200. Mark wrote: > I can't agree with you more Stuart. I work in a company that's all > Wintel boxes, except for our Video editing suite and the Art director > and myself (designer/animator). I've just seen *too* many weird > conflicts and problems on the Windows platform, even though all the > Wintel boxes (running W2K) are just running office for the most part. > Our web server? Mac too. I asked our IS guy and he said, "stability > mostly." All the PCs are locked down so no one can make any changes or > install anything, but the macs are left alone. Why? "I just don't have > any problems with them." > > But, I think there's another issue here as well. OSX. It's really the > biggest reason I didn't go from my old Power Mac to a PC. I've not yet > tried v. 10.2, but 10.1 is like a rock. Occasionally apps will go down, > but the OS itself remains untouched. It just "feels" better. I can't > wait until Digital Performer 4 comes out and I can stay in OSX all the > time. With it's built in MIDI functions and protected memory system I > believe that now that ProTools has been ported to it, it will become the > industry standard for music. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 15:51:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32564; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:41:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:41:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: new vst loop plugin - testers needed Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:34:20 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <3DF47FD7.385AF81A@ubuibi.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com will do... we're definitely excited about writing our stuff for mac, it's just a matter of actually having one to do the dev work on. really looking forward to see how the audio units sdk is to work with. > -----Original Message----- > From: das [mailto:das@ubuibi.org] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 3:35 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: new vst loop plugin - testers needed > > > let us know if you get it mac-capable > > Paul Weissman wrote: > > > > know it works in both Cubase SX and FruityLoops. > > > > This plug-in is PC and VST only. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 16:38:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04581; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:32:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:32:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: vst loop plugin Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:25:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not sure how many of you out there do any looping inside a computer, but i thought i'd ask anyway... with a vst effect, you can capture/record an audio stream for as long as you have memory available in your pc. now, given the limitations of working entirely inside a vst host (no custom control surface, just midi devices like keyboards/knob boxes)... what would you like to see the plugin be able to do to the captured audio stream? and do you see this as feasible to use with the kind of performance you do? i know at least some of you are curious about or have already started working with apps like ableton live, so some level of interest in working with computers exists. curious as to what people are thinking. ALSO... we still need two or three more people to help us with our vst plugin. anybody else want to help test/play with an early version of the above concept? paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 17:00:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05929; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:58:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:58:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:01:32 -0500 Subject: quest for Repeater foot control From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3122384492_596873_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3122384492_596873_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit well, I've plundered the archives regarding the fcb1010/ repeater combo, and some folks say they love it, and some folks say they don't . . . At the very least, I want to be able to use my feet to operate the transport, choose which tracks to record onto, control track volumes, and reverse tracks, without having to do crazy tap-dancing. Will fcb1010 make this possible or not?? Based on what I've read in the archives, I can't tell. If not fcb1010, what are people's alternative recommendations? thanks much for your help, Dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net --MS_Mac_OE_3122384492_596873_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable quest for Repeater foot control well, I've plundered the archives regarding the fcb1010/ repeater combo, an= d some folks say they love it, and some folks say they don't . . .

At the very least, I want to be able to use my feet to operate the transpor= t, choose which tracks to record onto, control track volumes, and reverse tr= acks, without having to do crazy tap-dancing.

Will fcb1010 make this possible or not?? Based on what I've read in the arc= hives, I can't tell.

If not fcb1010, what are people's alternative recommendations?

thanks much for your help,


Dan

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--MS_Mac_OE_3122384492_596873_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 17:14:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07819; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:12:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:12:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:15:54 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: vst loop plugin In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:25 PM -0800 12/10/02, Paul Weissman wrote: >with a vst effect, you can capture/record an audio stream for as long as you >have memory available in your pc. now, given the limitations of working >entirely inside a vst host (no custom control surface, just midi devices >like keyboards/knob boxes)... what would you like to see the plugin be able >to do to the captured audio stream? and do you see this as feasible to use >with the kind of performance you do? I usually "perform" on signal processors, with input coming from recordings or other players, as opposed to playing an instrument and capturing loops of what I've played. I'd like a user interface that lets me have a visual overview of the sound material and which will give me quick access to editing and signal routing. Therefore I'd like to be able to record multiple audio inputs into buffers that can be either fully independent or linked together as two-channel or multichannel recordings. Then I'd like to be able to loop sections of these recordings either by "dropping" markers or by drag-selecting segments. Once I've defined one or more loops I'd like to be able to slide them around, either by dragging with the mouse or by assigning a MIDI controller. I'd want to control the start and end points of the loops either independently or as a pair, so I could dynamically change the length of a loop or so I could slide it back and forth through the recorded material. It would be good to be able to do this with more than one loop simultaneously. It should be possible to define multiple loops within a recording and to assign the selection of these loops to a graphic or physical controller such as a MIDI or QWERTY keyboard. Jumping from one loop to another should be optionally either instant or queueable, so that each loop would play completely through before switching to the next. A refinement of this loop sequencing system would be to save sequences as presets that could then be triggered. This would allow the creation of multi-loop phrases. The user interface for this stuff could be complicated to design, but I'd like it to reflect graphically the "objectness" of the loops and loop sequences. >ALSO... we still need two or three more people to help us with our vst >plugin. anybody else want to help test/play with an early version of the >above concept? Sign me up. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 17:39:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09020; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:33:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:33:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: vst loop plugin Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:33:23 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001701c2a09c$265cbf30$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA08999 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Paul Weissman [mailto:paul-mailinglists@nioterra.com] > not sure how many of you out there do any looping inside a > computer, but i thought i'd ask anyway... > Not much yet, but looking into the future I can see myself playing gigs with a rack mounted PC (or maybe a laptop) controlled by a midi floor device. The fact that the looper is a VST plug-in is very cool, since you can then use it with your favorite host application, on stage as well as in the studio. I would like all features to be fully controllable even when the host application is running in recording mode. This would be the perfect set-up to make live recordings of improvised loop music, as the host app will be recording at the same time (1) audio and the parameters controlling the VST loop plug-in; (2) midi clock/tempo and (3) midi controllers from the foot pedal board. > with a vst effect, you can capture/record an audio stream for > as long as you have memory available in your pc. The interesting question IMHO is what happens after you have run out of PC ram? Will the VST looper re-allocate memory? Will the oldest loop be deleted to make room for another top layer? Or will the computer crash? Cheers Per performance clip/collage at http://www.boysen.se/kitchenensemble/tellus.html (U need flash player - I'm playing the Milk Package ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 17:46:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09710; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:41:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:41:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: quest for Repeater foot control Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:43:10 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c2a09d$84b92130$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2A0A5.E67D8930" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5kTx5C.A.oXC.n2m99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2A0A5.E67D8930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit quest for Repeater foot controlHey Dan, I use the FCB1010 exclusively to control a Repeater. There are people on the list who use it to control both Repeater and EDP (and seem happy with it), and others which control Repeater and a myriad of effects and drum machines (and are not so happy with it...for reasons I can understand): First: you can do anything you can do on the Repeater's front panel with the FCB1010 and more (and everything you mentioned in your post as must-haves). You can send CC, PC and midi note messages, and it has a way cool tap tempo feature to control effects which don't have this option but let you set the delay time using CCs (like a Digitech StudioQuad). As I said, I control every Repeater function with the FCB1010, and am quite happy with it. There are some drawbacks I'd like to mention: 1. sometimes the pedals "snap" to a value, sometimes they don't. I didn't take the time to find out when they do and when they don't. But it works out nearly most of the time for me. 2. They included two relay switches, but you can't tap them. A pity, I would've preferred to tap my Repeater and the Vortex with one foot press. (I know, time to get an EDP, but on the other hand, the Vortex acts up strangely anyway). Apart from that, it's hilarious fun to play with the FCB1010 and the Repeater: doing varispeed effects, panning, pitching and volumeing tracks with your feet, switching loops...it's comparable to having a repeater w/o foot controller and a person sitting in front of it while you play who can guess exactly what you want! Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs -----Original Message----- From: Dan Soltzberg [mailto:d.ans@verizon.net] Sent: Dienstag, 10. Dezember 2002 23:02 To: Loopers Delight Subject: quest for Repeater foot control well, I've plundered the archives regarding the fcb1010/ repeater combo, and some folks say they love it, and some folks say they don't . . . At the very least, I want to be able to use my feet to operate the transport, choose which tracks to record onto, control track volumes, and reverse tracks, without having to do crazy tap-dancing. Will fcb1010 make this possible or not?? Based on what I've read in the archives, I can't tell. If not fcb1010, what are people's alternative recommendations? thanks much for your help, Dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2A0A5.E67D8930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable quest for Repeater foot control
Hey=20 Dan,
 
I use=20 the FCB1010 exclusively to control a Repeater. There are people on the = list who=20 use it to control both Repeater and EDP (and seem happy with it), and = others=20 which control Repeater and a myriad of effects and drum machines (and = are not so=20 happy with it...for reasons I can understand):
 
First:=20 you can do anything you can do on the Repeater's front panel with the = FCB1010=20 and more (and everything you mentioned in your post as must-haves). You = can send=20 CC, PC and midi note messages, and it has a way cool tap tempo feature = to=20 control effects which don't have this option but let you set the delay = time=20 using CCs (like a Digitech StudioQuad). As I said, I control every = Repeater=20 function with the FCB1010, and am quite happy with it. There are some = drawbacks=20 I'd like to mention:
1.=20 sometimes the pedals "snap" to a value, sometimes they don't. I didn't = take the=20 time to find out when they do and when they don't. But it works out = nearly most=20 of the time for me.
2.=20 They included two relay switches, but you can't tap them. A pity, I = would've=20 preferred to tap my Repeater and the Vortex with one foot press. (I = know, time=20 to get an EDP, but on the other hand, the Vortex acts up strangely=20 anyway).
 
Apart=20 from that, it's hilarious fun to play with the FCB1010 and the Repeater: = doing=20 varispeed effects, panning, pitching and volumeing tracks with your = feet,=20 switching loops...it's comparable to having a repeater w/o foot = controller and a=20 person sitting in front of it while you play who can guess exactly what = you=20 want!
 
    Rainer
 
Rainer Straschill
Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - = www.moinlabs.de
digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de
The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Soltzberg=20 [mailto:d.ans@verizon.net]
Sent: Dienstag, 10. Dezember 2002 = 23:02
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: quest for = Repeater foot=20 control

well, I've plundered the archives = regarding the=20 fcb1010/ repeater combo, and some folks say they love it, and some = folks say=20 they don't . . .

At the very least, I want to be able to use my = feet to=20 operate the transport, choose which tracks to record onto, control = track=20 volumes, and reverse tracks, without having to do crazy=20 tap-dancing.

Will fcb1010 make this possible or not?? Based on = what=20 I've read in the archives, I can't tell.

If not fcb1010, what = are=20 people's alternative recommendations?

thanks much for your=20 help,


Dan

--
ghost 7/=20 = Oranje
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d.ans@verizon.net


------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2A0A5.E67D8930-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 17:52:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10009; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:47:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:47:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021210224708.76968.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:47:08 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Apple issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005d01c2a088$19f18410$9f68389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thats good to know i just got a very nice 18" Benq Flat screen and i use Sonar as my main recording software.Too bad cakewalk doesn´t have a program for Macs (if i buy one)...pro tools requires its own hardware and Logic well...i didn´t have much patient for it and after all i am a musician not a computer devotee:-) > Louie, > > Apple has been improving their 3rd party flatscreen > monitor support since > they started including video cards with DVI-I > connectors such as the GeForce > 4 and ATI Radeon 9000. Granted, there's probably no > flatscreen out there > better than Apple's 23" HD Cinema Display, but you > can find 15" and 17" > flatscreens that are more affordable than Apple's. I > recommend the ATI card, > it looks like Apple only uses the MX line of cards > from nVidia, which are > severely cut down in 3D graphics features. iTools > (renamed .Mac) really just > isn't all that useful except for freeware downloads, > but you can find all > the same stuff out on the web it's just not as > convenient as having a .Mac > account. > > -- Matt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Louie Angulo" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:33 AM > Subject: Apple issues > > > > You guys are slowly convincing me to buy a mac! > > I did work with G4´s a while back but they weren´t > > crash free, but with windows ME i tell you i am > > loosing hair and the few left turning gray! > > I ve heard XP is better but my soundcard is having > > major issues with its drivers for it... > > So now that we are on the subject how compatible > are > > Macs with all of the the new flat monitors? do > they > > have to be from apple as well? I also read a major > > complaint in the papers for new mac users having > to > > buy i think itools extra for 100dlls. now that > > wouldn´t be very generous from apple would it? > > cheers > > L.a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > why a Mac? > > > > > > One word - Reliability. > > > > > > Before I switched to mac, I spent a number of > years > > > working with PC's, > > > and encountered so many problems with PC/Windows > > > systems... Blue screen > > > of death, random strange problems.... I'd just > had > > > enough. I think the > > > problems with PC's lie with the sheer diversity > of > > > processors, > > > motherboards, cards, peripherals etc. etc. There > are > > > always driver > > > conflicts, software glitches and basic screw-ups > > > with Microsoft's > > > bloated OS. > > > > > > With Macs, there is just one producer of > computers - > > > Apple. They also > > > write (and do a very good job of it) the OS. It > > > works. Sure they cost > > > more than a comparable PC, but at what price is > > > reliability? > > > > > > Whilst Mac systems are certainly not 100% > problem > > > free, I do have the > > > confidence to use them in live performances > which I > > > would never have > > > with a PC setup. > > > > > > Thats my 0.2c :) > > > > > > -- > > > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - > > > http://SoloString.com > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 17:54:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10071; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:48:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:48:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021210224824.20598.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:48:24 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: Controlling Repeater with fcb1010... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA0E@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > amongst my reservations is this, though. and please, list-members, correct me > if I'm wrong: you set up the midi channel for each pedal /globally/. so if your > 'peater is on ch15 and y'r fx box is on ch14, they get (say) five pedals each > and that's that. then all of the presets you program will have five pedals > doing something on ch15 and the other five on ch14. This is only true for the CC pedals, not for the switches. The switches can send up to 5 PC msgs (and set the 2 mechanical swithes, and send a CC, and/or a note) for each press. The 5 PC msgs are like slots, you can program the preset to either use it or not. Each of the 5 PC msg "slots" are assigned globally a midi channel. So, if you send PC-1 and 2 on channel 1, you'd have three other PC "slots" that you could send on another channel. There's a limitation there, while you could send 5 PC messages to the same device (same MIDI channel) if that was all you used, if you use different devices (on different midi channels), you could send less PC mesgs to any given on for any given switch you press. > what I don't like about the fcb is this: the pedals recall presets in the > fcb1010. each preset is a snapshot, and may contain up to x-number of programme > changes (5, is it?), two controller values, a note-on, set-ups for the pedals > (upper & lower limits and an initial value). I may have the details wrong but > that's basically what the fcb1010 does. so you might have to programme an > entire preset and recall it even if all you want to do is issue a single PC > command to (say) put 'peater into record on track 2. If all you want to do is send a PC to select track 2, all you need to program for that switch is that one PC. (If you wanted to start recording on that track, you'd have to send two PC msgs, since select track and record are seperate functions in the Repeaters midi implementation). > this eats up the fcb1010's > memory quite quickly and means you can't put things where you want them in > terms of (say) having transport commands at the bottom and track selects at the > top. My understanding is that it's got enough memory to fully populate all the presets (banks 0-9, switchs 1-10 in each). I don't see how memory comes into the picture. I don't understand what you're saying about not being able to put any command anywhere you want. I programmed my FCB1010 to have transport-related commands on the bottom row (reverse, undo, play, record, and tap tempo) and track select commands on the top (select track1, 2, 3, 4, and multiply) on the top. BUT it would have been no problem to have reversed that, it's what YOU tell it to send when you press that button. There's no limitation on what you can send. > and, as I noted before (excuse the pun), the tap tempo works by sending a > note-on when you hit a pedal.... but the pedal has to recall the preset to do > this, Yes, but it only sends what you tell it to, nothing else. > so those controller values that were initialised by the preset the first > time you recalled it, they get initialised again. so if one ! > of them is controlling the pitch of one of y'r 'peater tracks and you've > altered it with a keyboard or the front panel, the fcb1010 is going to unalter > it for you when you go to tap your tempo in. Nope. On my tap tempo button, the only thing it sends is the PC message for tap tempo. It doesn't undo anything that's already set. Here's an example that should prove this. When I select track 1 (via switch 6), I assign one of the CC pedals to control pitch on that track, and the other to control track volume. If I alter the pitch using the CC pedal, and then press the swithc I have assigned to tap tempo, the pitch remains altered. If I select track 2 (via switch 7), I can also change aroudn it's pitch and relative volume. The settings I made on track one remain until I step on switch 6 and move the pedals again (or use the front panel, or step on a different switch where I send the CC command to reset the pitch or volume). > I wanted a footboard where there were ten switches that could be programmed to > send any midi string I wanted, and two controller pedals that could send any CC > on any channel. It'll send any midi string you want via the switches (within the limitations imposed by their "slot" method of sending PC messages), but the CC pedals are assigned global midi channels, so you're stuck there. > you might be able to use the fcb1010 like you want if the PC's don't all > coincide, but it's a bit unlikely. and I imagine that I'd have a hard time > working the repeater without the comforting immediacy of the hard-wired > footswitch (the fs300), however the fcb1010 was set up. I disagree. The FCB1010 does everything I want to do with my Repeater. The only gross limitation I see regarding controlling multiple devices is that the CC pedals can only control one device (unless they share midi channels, which you don't want most of the time). Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 17:54:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09772; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:42:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:42:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c2a09d$522c74b0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: Subject: Re: quest for Repeater foot control Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:41:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2A05A.3BEE02B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <9snsd.A.mYC.t3m99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2A05A.3BEE02B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable quest for Repeater foot controlDanS said: >> ...I've plundered the archives regarding the fcb1010/ repeater = combo... Don't forget the fcb1010 yahoo group.=20 There has been a fair amount of traffic on that list (566 members). But = I just searched the messages there for 'repeater' and was surprised to = only find a few posts. Still, perhaps it would be worth posting a = question there as well. -Bob ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2A05A.3BEE02B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable quest for Repeater foot control
DanS said:
>> ...I've plundered the archives regarding the fcb1010/ = repeater=20 combo...
 
Don't forget the fcb1010 yahoo group.
 
There has been=20 a fair amount of traffic on that list (566 members). But I just = searched=20 the messages there for 'repeater' and was surprised to only find a few = posts.=20 Still, perhaps it would be worth posting a question there as=20 well.
 
-Bob
------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2A05A.3BEE02B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 17:59:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10701; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:56:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:56:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021210225628.89149.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:56:27 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: quest for Repeater foot control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Dan Soltzberg wrote: > well, I've plundered the archives regarding the fcb1010/ repeater combo, and > some folks say they love it, and some folks say they don't . . . > > At the very least, I want to be able to use my feet to operate the > transport, choose which tracks to record onto, control track volumes, and > reverse tracks, without having to do crazy tap-dancing. > > Will fcb1010 make this possible or not?? Yes, absolutely. Mine is set up like this: Bank 0: 1=Reverse 2=Undo 3=Play 4=Record, assigns left pedal to control Feedback 5=TapTempo 6=Select track 1, assigns left pedal to course pitch, right pedal to track volume 7=Select track 2, assigns left pedal to course pitch, right pedal to track volume 8=Select track 3, assigns left pedal to course pitch, right pedal to track volume 9=Select track 4, assigns left pedal to course pitch, right pedal to track volume 10=Multiply I plan on setting some additional banks where the track select does stereo tracks, where I can slip the tracks with the CC pedals, where I can do fine pitch adjust, etc. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 18:27:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14136; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:27:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:27:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c2a0a4$225e95e0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <900283BB-0C67-11D7-936D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <3DF63517.F621D011@zerocrossing.net> <3DF6528E.7A353B1D@ubuibi.org> Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:30:12 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alas, I don't know what kind of implementation guys you folks had, but they didn't know what they were doing on the Windows machines that are reported as repeat-crashers. The only crashes I've had in the past 6 years on my machines here have been 1 virus-related (1998), two hard drive failures (1998 and 2001, separate drives), two registry corruptions during beta tests (and by this I don't mean the "free software" most folks think "beta" means these days), and an upgrade experiment gone wrong migrating between motherboards (a clean install is always best). I don't have any cheap or knockoff components, and do quite a bit of both video and audio editing and recording. I more than suspect that it's situations like this that most folks don't hear about. Most of us on the PC end running successful installs etc. are usually too busy getting something done to allow for the time it takes to re-gen installs - and, in over ten years of supporting PCs in the business environment, perhaps 5% of the hardware/software implementations I've worked on or otherwise maintained have had problems. Most of those had to do with guys who couldn't keep their damned hands off settings and other tweaks they'd read about in PC Mag etc. - and only when they'd not be able to undo their own damage, I got called up to put it back together. Funny about that though, I've only had men do this to their PCs, never women, who probably just want to do their job (not being a PC expert) and get on with it. So much for that. > hmm a likewise situation for myself when i was working hardware at the > academy of art..... > we had 3 people running a network of over 800 g4's (os9,) with students > hammering them with over 20 applications, > meanwhile the winhell i.t. department needed 15+ people to run the admin > boxes with perhaps 6 apps for perhaps 200. > > Mark wrote: > > > I can't agree with you more Stuart. I work in a company that's all > > Wintel boxes, except for our Video editing suite and the Art director > > and myself (designer/animator). I've just seen *too* many weird > > conflicts and problems on the Windows platform, even though all the > > Wintel boxes (running W2K) are just running office for the most part. > > Our web server? Mac too. I asked our IS guy and he said, "stability > > mostly." All the PCs are locked down so no one can make any changes or > > install anything, but the macs are left alone. Why? "I just don't have > > any problems with them." > > > > But, I think there's another issue here as well. OSX. It's really the > > biggest reason I didn't go from my old Power Mac to a PC. I've not yet > > tried v. 10.2, but 10.1 is like a rock. Occasionally apps will go down, > > but the OS itself remains untouched. It just "feels" better. I can't > > wait until Digital Performer 4 comes out and I can stay in OSX all the > > time. With it's built in MIDI functions and protected memory system I > > believe that now that ProTools has been ported to it, it will become the > > industry standard for music. > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 18:33:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14572; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:32:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:32:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c2a0a4$e1b03f20$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <001701c2a09c$265cbf30$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Subject: Re: vst loop plugin Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:35:08 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <9LoShD.A.mjD.Kmn99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 22:33:PM Subject: SV: vst loop plugin > > Från: Paul Weissman [mailto:paul-mailinglists@nioterra.com] > > not sure how many of you out there do any looping inside a > > computer, but i thought i'd ask anyway... > > > > Not much yet, but looking into the future I can see myself playing gigs > with a rack mounted PC (or maybe a laptop) controlled by a midi floor > device. This brings up an item I caught at a trade show last year, a rack-mountable server by Compaq that's less than an inch thick, but 2x3ft. They're for rack boxes with their own fans, but I could figure out how to do this without spending Compaq's overblown price if I just had the time. Then again, laptops are already in their own and for the most part seem to have solved a lot of the heat problems of the past. But I'd still like to build a PC that'd hang off the back of my work area, with the only fan required being used by the power supply (if that's even necessary). Theoretically it'd just need a dusting once in a while, London being what it is. Make THAT with Mac hardware - if you can even find the parts... S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 18:44:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15146; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:40:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:40:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:48:31 -0500 (EST) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: vst loop plugin In-Reply-To: <003b01c2a0a4$e1b03f20$0201a8c0@eluk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, S.P. Goodman wrote: > This brings up an item I caught at a trade show last year, a rack-mountable > server by Compaq that's less than an inch thick, but 2x3ft. They're for > rack boxes with their own fans, but I could figure out how to do this > without spending Compaq's overblown price if I just had the time. Then > again, laptops are already in their own and for the most part seem to have > solved a lot of the heat problems of the past. But I'd still like to build > a PC that'd hang off the back of my work area, with the only fan required > being used by the power supply (if that's even necessary). Theoretically > it'd just need a dusting once in a while, London being what it is. > > Make THAT with Mac hardware - if you can even find the parts... http://www.apple.com/xserve/ -- Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~burnett/ System Administration Technical Documentation Information Retrieval From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 18:56:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16608; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:55:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:55:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:55:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Mac G4 vs ibook/imac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021210133718.0287cea0@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA16587 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 07:47 PM, Ritsu Katsumata wrote: > And how does your ibook do?  Do you do all your writing/looping music > making on the ibook as well as performing with it?  I don't do any multi-track stuff on the ibook, just straight stereo mastering, but I find it flawless. I use it live for various projects using Ableton's Live at the same time as a virtual synth soundfont package... and I've rarely hit more than about 20% CPU. However, there are times when I crave for a G4. Especially when using Reason, and desire rack after rack of virtual samplers. My ibook is also the hub of my computer world. Its my mp3 player, DVD player, email system, web browser, home web server, web design system.... in fact, without it, I'd be seriously lost. > > I figured that the 1 GB Dual Proc with a reasonable monitor will cost > me about $850 more than the imac with the 17" screen, 800 MHz cpu and > 258 MB Ram.  Will the Dual Proc give me $850 worth of value?  Will an > imac be a lot of trouble?  I heard that a lot of the early imacs were > duds. imacs are limited due to their lack of expansion internally (same I suppose as the ibook/Tibook).... If you have the budget, I would seriously go for a tower G4. You can then allow multi-screens (with extra monitors/graphics cards), PCI sound cards etc. etc. And the processing power of a dual G4 unit would last you a very long time. Laptops are great if you plan to do a lot of moving, or if you live in a small place like myself. Its late. I'm rambling.... :) > -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 18:58:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16798; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:58:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:58:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:57:34 +0100 Subject: OT: Re: Apple issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021210193349.24173.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <273CFA26-0C9B-11D7-B45C-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 08:33 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > how compatible are Macs with all of the the new flat monitors? Although Apple try to promote their lovely (but expensive) cinema displays, you can use any SVGA flat-screen/multisync monitor on any mac. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 19:17:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19109; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:16:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:16:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021211001535.8637.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:15:35 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: quest for Repeater foot control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200212102254.RAA10498@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dan, Do yourself a favor and get thee hence to the repeater-users@yahoogroups.com site. Several of the people on this list are also subscribed there. Last month there was a rash of posts pertaining to using the FCB with the Repeater, some of them were very detailed and got me out of my MIDI slump long enough to finally program it for myself. I'm very happy with it, though I've just begun to scratch the surface. As far as the FS300 is concerned (the Digitech 3 button footswitch), I have this as well and it's nice because the three main functions are always there regardless of which bank your FCB is on. It also frees up the FCB from having to do these simple tasks, allowing it to do what it really shines at. And the best thing about the repeater-users list is that there is no philosophizing going on there ! (I've just donned my asbestos long-underwear :) > well, I've plundered the archives regarding the fcb1010/ repeater combo, and some folks say they > love it, and some folks say they don't . . . __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 19:24:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19487; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:20:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:20:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017a01c2a0ab$a1acbfa0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: vst loop plugin Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:15:52 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 23:48:PM Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: vst loop plugin > On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, S.P. Goodman wrote: > > > This brings up an item I caught at a trade show last year, a rack-mountable > > server by Compaq that's less than an inch thick, but 2x3ft. They're for > > rack boxes with their own fans, but I could figure out how to do this > > without spending Compaq's overblown price if I just had the time. Then > > again, laptops are already in their own and for the most part seem to have > > solved a lot of the heat problems of the past. But I'd still like to build > > a PC that'd hang off the back of my work area, with the only fan required > > being used by the power supply (if that's even necessary). Theoretically > > it'd just need a dusting once in a while, London being what it is. > > > > Make THAT with Mac hardware - if you can even find the parts... > > http://www.apple.com/xserve/ I stand corrected. Make that, "...if you can find the parts. Or afford them." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 00:38:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09468; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:36:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:36:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021211053651.87199.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:36:51 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Robert Fripp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211251934.OAA09287@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2GX0GB.A.2TC.07s99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <<>>does anyone know what signal chain Robert Fripp uses to get that tone? I've always liked that. It sounds like a fuzz box to me, maybe with an octave.<< I think it's just shit-loads of gain, though you never hear any buzz or hiss.... the guitar itself is a major factor; you'd never get sustain like that from a stratocaster.... it would have a lot more "character". another thing about fripp's sustained notes is that he seldom applies vibrato. this lends his solos a strange emotionless quality. whereas mr torn will wobble all over the place. probably the same amount of sustain, just used differently. also, mr fripp uses his tone controls very carefully- it's quite a mellow sound compared to, say, gary moore playing the same sort of guitar through the same amp and on the same pickup. but this would be the famous "skysaw" e-bow-less sound that eno introduced him to, and therefore probably deeply secret. I think fripp has a tiny e-bow built into the palm of his hand, meself. doesn't that sound a bit like him on that "we are all made of stars" tosh by moby melville? anyway, no octaver.>> Well, at least in the early 70's, Fripp used just a volume pedal, wah wah, and fuzztone, with, I think, a tape delay of some kind (for regular echo effects). Fripp did an interview in Guitar Player back in 73 or 74 (Earthbound is mentioned, and so if Bruford, so it had to be about that time frame), and he said he wasn't even sure what brand wah wah or distortion pedal he was using at that point, and added "I've been able to get my sound regardless of what fuzztone I'm using" or something like that. At least the way it appears on records like Earthbound, I think it's the fuzztone, combined with the careful use of the wah wah and the tone controls on the guitar. I remember reading where Steve Stevens (when he was still playing in Billy Idol's band) said that he used "an old Robert Fripp" trick, which revolved around using the neck pickup and backing off on the tone control. I think he said that he prefered to use a Rat pedal, whereas Fripp used a Big Muff (not sure about the early 70's, but I know I read in other articles where Fripp mentioned using a Big Muff, and also that he used to use a Burns Buzzaround as well, in later articles and one of the boffins working for him build a switching unit that allowed him to switch between any distortion pedal he wanted). I also think part of the sound comes with the playing style, using a lot of hammer ons, pull offs, and slides. Nowadays, of course, Fripp has that Fernades Les Paul copy (actually, a couple of them, at least, I think) with the Sustainer built in, so "infinite" sustain is no problem. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 00:41:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09801; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:41:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:41:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:41:08 -0800 Subject: Re: Apple issues From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005d01c2a088$19f18410$9f68389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_-ccIB.A.DZC.0_s99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 12/10/02 12:09 PM, nicholson_matt at nicholson_matt@msn.com wrote: > Granted, there's probably no flatscreen out there > better than Apple's 23" HD Cinema Display Well, there is IBM's 200ppi display which is absolutely gorgeous but interface elements get really, really tiny and screen redraws are a bit slow. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 00:43:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10012; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:43:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:43:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:43:19 -0800 Subject: OT: IK Multimedia T-RackS From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone here used T-RackS? Any opinions good or otherwise? I've played with the demo briefly but haven't had a chance to delve into whether it would be beneficial to use for mastering tracks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 01:54:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14431; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:45:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:45:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c2a0e1$142eeaa0$f091ef18@earthlink.net> From: "Sarth" To: References: Subject: Re: IK Multimedia T-RackS Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:44:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's really cool, in that it gets a certain sound, and can get decent results easily. Getting a finer degree of control can be a pain though. -- Sarth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:43 AM Subject: OT: IK Multimedia T-RackS > Has anyone here used T-RackS? Any opinions good or otherwise? I've played > with the demo briefly but haven't had a chance to delve into whether it > would be beneficial to use for mastering tracks. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 02:50:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18857; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:49:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:49:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: quest for Repeater foot control Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:49:36 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000c01c2a0e9$da2c5dc0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20021210225628.89149.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id CAA18836 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] > > I plan on setting some additional banks where the track > select does stereo tracks, where I can slip the tracks with > the CC pedals, where I can do fine pitch adjust, etc. I keep one pad for selecting track 3/4 as a stereo pair. However this is only possible as long as you have not yet recorded on track 3 or for as mono. If you want to slip the stereo L/R tracks you have to start with separating them by doing a mono recording on one of the two tracks. After braking the stereo link, in this way, you can now use a pad to send a slip command. I like using this with ambient pads/drones. Starting out by recording long layered notes into the stereo pair, then breaking the stereo link and slipping the tracks. This opens up the stereo image a lot :-) I tried to slip with a pedal, but found this too time consuming (while playing at the same time) to hit the right time off set. Now I use one of the stomp buttons with a fixed value - I think it's an 8th note(?). That way I can stereo enhance a drone with just two kicks. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 05:05:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29609; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:04:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:04:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021211100337.53048.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:03:37 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Robert Fripp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021211053651.87199.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of my quests is still to mix all my loopers and digital rack gear with my favorite stomp boxes mainy compressors fuzzboxes and wahs but as i hooked them up in the back of the external control jacks from my roland GP100 preamp i noticed that it changes their tone quality.Another issue is having pedals plus the fcb1010 plus my GR33 synth on the floor which doesnt motivate me too much.If i could just trigger all of them with the FCB1010 with the signal not being affected it would be great! Is anybody doing this kind of configuration? L.a >> > also, mr fripp uses his tone controls very > carefully- it's quite a mellow sound compared to, > say, gary moore playing the same sort of guitar > through the same amp and on the same pickup. but > this would be the famous "skysaw" > e-bow-less sound that eno introduced him to, and > therefore probably deeply secret. I think fripp > has a tiny e-bow built into the palm of his hand, > meself. doesn't that sound a bit like him on that > "we are all made of stars" tosh by moby melville? > anyway, no octaver.>> > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 05:16:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30202; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:15:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:15:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021211101519.19378.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:15:19 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Repeater pich shift question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021211001535.8637.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, There has been a couple of times where i started a loop live with the repeater and the loop plays back at a different pitch.(wasn´t all that bad everybody thought it was part of the show except me).I thought that turning off the power everything would be set to zero but although i change it manually back to 0 when i turn it back on it seems to be saving pitch +-7.Is this normal or am i sending evil midi messages? L.a ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 05:29:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30839; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:26:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:26:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021211102619.93226.qmail@web80109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:26:19 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: moogerfooger delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-934718650-1039602379=:90188" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-934718650-1039602379=:90188 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just got the moogerfooger delay the fellow was trying to sell on here and I must say, it makes a mighty fine looper for really short stuff. The cool part is, you can set the controls so that when you use the control pedal for the delay time, the full sweep of the pedal shifts the pitch by a half step, or a whole step, or any small interval you want. You "tune" it using the delay time knob on the pedal. Not only that, but you can flip the short/long switch and it goes up (or down) by an octave, like a multiply/divide function but with analog deliciousness. Running this into my DL-4, I now have a very simple, but awesome modular looping rig. --0-934718650-1039602379=:90188 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I just got the moogerfooger delay the fellow was trying to sell on here and I must say, it makes a mighty fine looper for really short stuff. The cool part is, you can set the controls so that when you use the control pedal for the delay time, the full sweep of the pedal shifts the pitch by a half step, or a whole step, or any small interval you want. You "tune" it using the delay time knob on the pedal. Not only that, but you can flip the short/long switch and it goes up (or down) by an octave, like a multiply/divide function but with analog deliciousness. Running this into my DL-4, I now have a very simple, but awesome modular looping rig. --0-934718650-1039602379=:90188-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 05:33:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31048; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:29:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:29:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021211102930.81237.qmail@web80105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:29:30 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: Bill Frisell looping songs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1452074904-1039602570=:80918" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1452074904-1039602570=:80918 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Which tunes does Bill Frisell do looping stuff on? I'm looking for some recommended listening. BTW any Keller Williams fans in the house? --0-1452074904-1039602570=:80918 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Which tunes does Bill Frisell do looping stuff on? I'm looking for some recommended listening. BTW any Keller Williams fans in the house? --0-1452074904-1039602570=:80918-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 06:47:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03713; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:46:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:46:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:45:41 -0500 From: Sempai Subject: Re: IK Multimedia T-RackS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002c01c2a10a$dedb63e0$fe762544@user0jd9dje1rf> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <0U0HoC.A.35.eWy99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't use it myself, but have heard VERY good things about it. Sempai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:43 AM Subject: OT: IK Multimedia T-RackS > Has anyone here used T-RackS? Any opinions good or otherwise? I've played > with the demo briefly but haven't had a chance to delve into whether it > would be beneficial to use for mastering tracks. > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 07:00:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05974; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:59:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:59:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <192.1217b020.2b28824d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:58:05 EST Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping songs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_192.1217b020.2b28824d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_192.1217b020.2b28824d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bill does a lot of looping on his solo cd, ghost town. definitely worth checking out. =-/ PJ --part1_192.1217b020.2b28824d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bill does a lot of looping on his solo cd, ghost town. definitely worth checking out. =-/ PJ --part1_192.1217b020.2b28824d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 07:13:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08618; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:12:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:12:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c2a10e$ea32b140$f3594ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20021211102930.81237.qmail@web80105.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping songs? Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:14:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check out the album with Elvin Jones and Dave Holland, also Ghost Town (completely solo, some multitracking, some looping) and any of the live album - the two Buster Keaton soundtracks are favourites of mine... ...or just order his entire back catalogue, and check it all out... money well spent... I'm guessing that 'Heaven', the duo record he's done recently with Ron Miles (under Ron's name) will feature lots of looping, but I've not been able to get a copy for sensible money yet... will look for it when I'm in California in January/Febuary... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (great CDs for christmas.... :o) ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirkland Mack" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:29 AM Subject: Bill Frisell looping songs? > Which tunes does Bill Frisell do looping stuff on? I'm looking for some recommended listening. BTW any Keller Williams fans in the house? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 08:12:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13462; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:05:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:05:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Repeater pich shift question Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:05:03 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000d01c2a115$eb4b21f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20021211101519.19378.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id IAA13441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] > Hi, > There has been a couple of times where i started a > loop live with the repeater and the loop plays back at > a different pitch.(wasn´t all that bad everybody > thought it was part of the show except me).I thought > that turning off the power everything would be set to > zero but although i change it manually back to 0 when > i turn it back on it seems to be saving pitch +-7.Is > this normal or am i sending evil midi messages? > L.a With the Repeater it might be a good idea to keep a couple of foot controller patches for tuning each track back to +-0. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 09:50:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24354; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:45:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:45:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Re: Apple issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:45:57 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 12/11/2002 09:46:01 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out the Formac displays....I've got a 17" Gallery sitting next to a 15" Apple LCD, and they're both gorgeous; wish I'd had the $$ for a Formac 20"...the Formacs are brighter and faster, with higher contrast than the Apples; DVDs are supposed to look better on them but I haven't tried this yet. http://www.formac.com/p_bin/?cid=solutions_displays_gallery1740 David on 12/10/02 12:09 PM, nicholson_matt at nicholson_matt@msn.com wrote: > Granted, there's probably no flatscreen out there > better than Apple's 23" HD Cinema Display Well, there is IBM's 200ppi display which is absolutely gorgeous but interface elements get really, really tiny and screen redraws are a bit slow. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 09:53:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24276; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:44:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:44:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:52:51 -0500 (EST) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] moogerfooger delay In-Reply-To: <20021211102619.93226.qmail@web80109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <2Pj1a.A.O7F.-8099@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Kirkland Mack wrote: > I just got the moogerfooger delay the fellow was trying to sell on here > and I must say, it makes a mighty fine looper for really short stuff. > The cool part is, you can set the controls so that when you use the > control pedal for the delay time, the full sweep of the pedal shifts the > pitch by a half step, or a whole step, or any small interval you want. > You "tune" it using the delay time knob on the pedal. Not only that, but > you can flip the short/long switch and it goes up (or down) by an > octave, like a multiply/divide function but with analog deliciousness. > Running this into my DL-4, I now have a very simple, but awesome modular > looping rig. I got one of these when it came out, and would be distraught if it were lost or stolen. With the pitch shift of the expression pedal controlled delay, it's great for a whalesong kind of thing. I had an idea recently I could use the same pitchshift with a vocoder output to add something of an inflection quality to the vocoder output, should test that out soon. Steve Burnett Laccoon, Subscape Annex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 10:52:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30116; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:48:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:48:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:03:11 -0800 Message-Id: <200212110803.AA61931778@lanes.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "mark penner" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: moogerfooger delay X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got one about 6 monthes ago. I really letting it self oscillate with almost no signal given to it so it starts this really heavy pulse and then looping the pulse. You can get some pretty heavy beats going. Mark ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Kirkland Mack Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:26:19 -0800 (PST) >I just got the moogerfooger delay the fellow was trying to sell on here and I must say, it makes a mighty fine looper for really short stuff. The cool part is, you can set the controls so that when you use the control pedal for the delay time, the full sweep of the pedal shifts the pitch by a half step, or a whole step, or any small interval you want. You "tune" it using the delay time knob on the pedal. Not only that, but you can flip the short/long switch and it goes up (or down) by an octave, like a multiply/divide function but with analog deliciousness. Running this into my DL-4, I now have a very simple, but awesome modular looping rig. > ____________________________________________________________ Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 11:09:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32384; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:06:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:06:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021211160525.5008.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:05:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: moogerfooger delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200212110803.AA61931778@lanes.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do a similar thing by post-processing short loops from my Korg SDD-1000 through an Electrix Filter Queen (there's a Boss RPS-10 in the chain as well), then routing the signal back through one of my longer loopers. It'd be an interesting thread to discuss *combinations* of devices; what pieces of gear add up to more than the sum of their parts when used together? Or what equipment radically changes character/role when used elsewhere in the signal chain or in a different order than is conventional? Everyone knows about the volume pedal>delay>looper chain, but what other more esoteric combos are you folks using? -t- --- mark penner wrote: > I got [a moogerfooger] about 6 monthes ago. I really letting it > self oscillate with almost no signal given to it so > it starts this really heavy pulse and then looping > the pulse. You can get some pretty heavy beats > going. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 12:08:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05576; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:01:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:01:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039626065!43738 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA1A@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: where is the looper in this picture? Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:55:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A136.0AF24270" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A136.0AF24270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Everyone knows about the volume pedal>delay>looper chain, but what other more esoteric combos are you folks using?<< I use the looper (or "freezer box" in r.m.i. language) as en effect on a mixing desk. it's returned up a regular channel strip rather than a dumb stereo input, and I do the same with my other effects. this means that it can sees it's own output via another effect chain. so if the internal feedback is reduced or off, the feedback is going to be effected. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then..... (you get the idea) it's easy to see how this could be useful in emulating the twin-revox tape sound with just a bit of eq in the feedback path, but there's no limit to the possibilities once you start playing with phasers, distortion, vocoders..... iteratively decaying audio- fantastic. another advantage is that pretty much anything that appears at the desk can be grabbed into the looper and messed with, so sometimes gary will turn his jam-man down and the guitar will carry on looping because I've had a sneaky sniff of it going into the repeater without him knowing. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. 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>>Everyone knows about the volume pedal>delay>= ;looper
chain, but what other more esoteric combos are you
folks using?<<

I use the looper (or "freezer box" in r.m.i. la= nguage) as en effect on a mixing desk. it's returned up a regular channel s= trip rather than a dumb stereo input, and I do the same with my other effec= ts. this means that it can sees it's own output via another effect chain. s= o if the internal feedback is reduced or off, the feedback is going to be e= ffected. then effected again.

then effected again. then effected again. then effected a= gain. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then e= ffected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected agai= n. then effected again. then.....

(you get the idea)

it's easy to see how this could be useful in emulating th= e twin-revox tape sound with just a bit of eq in the feedback path, but the= re's no limit to the possibilities once you start playing with phasers, dis= tortion, vocoders..... iteratively decaying audio- fantastic.

another advantage is that pretty much anything that appea= rs at the desk can be grabbed into the looper and messed with, so sometimes= gary will turn his jam-man down and the guitar will carry on looping becau= se I've had a sneaky sniff of it going into the repeater without him knowin= g.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A136.0AF24270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 12:54:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09626; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:51:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:51:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:54:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Mac monitors From: Ernie Mansfield To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200212111005.FAA29754@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3122445274_145531_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <6MBijD.A.UWC.2s399@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3122445274_145531_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > how compatible are Macs with all of the the new flat monitors? Although Apple try to promote their lovely (but expensive) cinema displays, you can use any SVGA flat-screen/multisync monitor on any mac.>> I see that Formac has come out with a new 20.5" flat screen for the Mac. They have good LCD screens for the Mac, at considerably less price than Mac. -- Ernie Mansfield Mansfield Music -- http://www.mansfieldmusic.com ernie@mansfieldmusic.com -- Hear my music at: http://www.mp3.com/erniemansfield --MS_Mac_OE_3122445274_145531_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Mac monitors
> how compatible are Macs with all of the the new flat m= onitors?

Although Apple try to promote their lovely (but expensive) cinema
displays, you can use any SVGA flat-screen/multisync = monitor on any mac.>>

I see that Formac has come out with a new 20.5" flat screen for the Ma= c. They have good LCD screens for the Mac, at considerably less price than M= ac.

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Ernie Mansfield
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ernie@mansfieldmusic.com
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Hear my music at:
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--MS_Mac_OE_3122445274_145531_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 13:42:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15018; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:38:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:38:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021211100553.02af9f48@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:37:23 -0800 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP "MetaButtons" - "Stored Procedures" - "Presets" - "Triggers" In-Reply-To: <012101c29fcc$ebd254d0$9940a8c0@dyland> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:49 PM 12/9/2002, Dylan DeAnda wrote: >Is there a way to "Preset" different modes in the edp? > >For example, you have a "mode" that you use for a specific effect or >function, and it's defined as specific quantization value, insert mode, >record mode, etc. > >1. Is there any way to define a "mode" and then call that "mode" >arbitrarily? yes, assuming you are using LoopIV. LoopIV has Presets that let you store parameter settings and recall them. You can do this most easily with MIDI program change messages, but it is also possible to change presets from the front panel. see the Presets section of the LoopIV manual: http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIV.html >2. Is there any way to store a predefined button sequence in the edp? >Sort of like a "metabutton" that sets you up? It depends what you want to do. If you want this in order to edit parameters on the fly, it is likely much easier to do the same thing using Presets. You can switch presets on the fly much easier than editing the parameters. You can also use MIDI SysEx messages to directly edit any parameter, but of course that means a bit more programming of a midi controller. If your goal is to be able to access all of the InsertMode functions at the same time, LoopIV now has them all available by MIDI. These are in the VirtualButton set of midi commands, since they act just like the front panel buttons would. So for example, if you want to use Reverse, HalfSpeed, Replace, and Insert all on the same loop, you could have a midi controller set up with the VirtualButton for each one, and directly use them. This is much easier than with LoopIII, where you had to change the InsertMode parameter each time to program the Insert button to these functions. If you want to directly access functions that normally take several button presses or long-presses to reach on the front panel, LoopIV helps you there also. LoopIV has a greatly expanded MIDI implementation, and the DirectMIDI set of midi commands directly access all of these more complex operations. This way you can have a single button on a midi controller to do something instantly that takes more effort from the front. For example, if you were working with an external sequencer or looper and want to DeAlign and ReAlign your loops, there are several flavors of the ReAlign functions directly available by MIDI. From the front panel you have to press Mute first, and then Multiply to use ReAlign. (there are many more DirectMIDI functions available of course, for example, all the main functions have SUS action versions available in MIDI, in addition to the normal toggle versions.) >I'd like to trigger a prescribed sequence of actions while I'm >scratching on the turntables or singing, so that I can focus more on one >instrument than the edp. > >sounds like I may just need a sequencer........damn...that's not what I >want, I just want that functionality in my edp.> If what you want to do is several different functions at once on a loop, it is possible by midi from a decent midi controller. You don't have to use a sequencer unless you specifically want the actions timed rhythmically to a clock. The better midi controllers will let you set up a string of midi commands to go with one button. For example, you could have a single button that sends Overdub, HalfSpeed, and Reverse all at once. You can develop some really interesting custom functions in this way. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 14:22:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18946; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:18:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:18:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021211103919.02ae7e40@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:18:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: new vst loop plugin - testers needed In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That sounds like really interesting creation, however from your description what you are creating is a "phrase sampler" as opposed to a looper. Calling it "Looper" is a bit of a misnomer. The distinction is that a looper not only allows you to continuously play back the loop, but also continuously record into the loop while it is playing back at the same time. It really does loop all the time, whether it is overdubbing or just playing back, or doing any function at all really. Phrase samplers record the audio as a sample, but then mainly focus on ways to trigger the sample or mix it with other samples. Phrase Samplers don't have the capability to continuously record new material into a loop as layers on top of the existing material, all in real time while the loop is playing. Looping is achieved by retriggering the sample each time it plays through to the end, which may not be a noticeable difference to the listener, but is a huge architectural difference that has a big affect on what types of features are easy to implement or not. I'm not trying to knock what you are doing, because I do think it is interesting. But I think it is important to get the terminology right if you want to have credibility for what you are creating. It also helps for setting expectations right among users. If you call it a "looper" then a whole bunch of people will expect it to do a certain set of functions and come away disappointed, meanwhile completely ignoring the main things it actually does do. kim At 02:18 AM 12/9/2002, Paul Weissman wrote: >:What it does: > >"Looper" is a loop sampling VST plug-in. It allows you to capture tempo >sync'd audio samples in real time from any VST host. Once the sample has >been captured you can manipulate playback in a few different ways. The most >basic thing you can do is to let the sample loop in place, instantaneously >from when recording ends, in sync with tempo. Alternatives are to trigger >playback from various positions within the sample, allowing you manipulate >the playback position of the sample in real time. > >"Looper" can also be used as a studio tool. Once a sample has been captured >you can trigger playback via midi with or without looping on, to use the >tool as a traditional sampler is used. Sample playback can be started from >a variety of start points, which allows for very fast 'editing' of your >captured sample. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 14:37:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20066; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:35:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:35:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP "MetaButtons" - "Stored Procedures" - "Presets" - "Triggers" Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:35:43 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001c01c2a14c$7eab30d0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021211100553.02af9f48@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA20041 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > If your goal is to be able to access all of the InsertMode > functions at the > same time, LoopIV now has them all available by MIDI. These > are in the > VirtualButton set of midi commands, since they act just like > the front > panel buttons would. Hi, On reading this I remember my EDP has a problem with midi note on 53, used for "SUSRoundedInsert". Using the VirtualButton resulted in an explosion of noise. Almost trashed my eardrums and fried my brain ;-) This sad phenomenon is reproducable here. Is it only my EDP or have others as well experienced this? > commands to go with one button. For example, you could have a > single button > that sends Overdub, HalfSpeed, and Reverse all at once. You > can develop > some really interesting custom functions in this way. This is hot!!!! I want more EDPs ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 14:53:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21118; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:50:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:50:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DF7966A.CE8E2B0C@ubuibi.org> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:47:55 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ninah Subject: no other radio playlist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ub radio playlist 11/02 As broadcast on kpfa/kpfb/kfcf Ub radio mayhem ensues on the 'no other radio' program which has brought independent/difficult music to northern California for two decades,on the pacifica network Contact; das@ubuibi.org And playlists are archived at http://ubuibi.org/uB-main.html under the 'radio' link. 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Of bali gamelan semar omp Edward ka-spel 090301 de la tour st. rapunza m.Behrens selected minimalist concerns absurd v/a anti tribute gender-less kibbutz v/a lockers ers records v/a loops on serotonin serotonin eight miles high two neuton christoph heemann uber den umgang robot Special thanks to special old ub radio friend Your Host Bobby for coming in for a live mix(up) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 15:41:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26016; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:38:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:38:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c2a155$95bed980$170d06d5@pc1> From: "franz-loop" To: Subject: echopl/repeater Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:40:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C2A15D.F6B9D700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C2A15D.F6B9D700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hy everybody, two questions 1: ..can somebody tell me the tel-umber (or e-mail...whatever) of = 'Nadine's...supposed to be a shop you can buy the echoplex...?... 2. who has an electrix- repeater to sell or knows where i can get one... Thanks for every answer franz ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C2A15D.F6B9D700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hy everybody,
two questions
1: ..can somebody tell me the tel-umber = (or=20 e-mail...whatever) of 'Nadine's...supposed to be a shop you can buy = the=20 echoplex...?...
 
2. who has an electrix- repeater = to sell or=20 knows where i can get one...
 
Thanks for every answer
 
franz
 
------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C2A15D.F6B9D700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 16:58:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02719; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:55:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:55:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DEB93B60011E3A0@alfa.fastwebnet.it> (added by postmaster@fastwebnet.it) From: "D0tt0r3" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:55:18 +0100 Reply-To: "D0tt0r3" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4963392=_=_=_" Subject: Advice gurus Resent-Message-ID: <4dpl.A.Zq.cR799@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4963392=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, my name is Matteo , I'm writing you form the far and sunny Italy, because I really need an advice from you gurus. I'm mad for your great web site and I really trust your opinions. I'm a songwriter, I used to play in a band but now I'd lke to play alone. My kind of music is all that kind stuff called like "lo-fi", psycho-indie, and so on. Well, sincerly talking I'm not "all" alone I play together with my notebook. I play guitar and sing then there's my notebook (PC). I used to prepare some loops at home and then during live gigs play my guitar and sing while the notebook plays those loops. Now I'm looking for something different. I'd like to record even those loops during the live set, "on the fly" as you say. I know you perfectly know what I mean but due to my bad English I try to explain in any case (I don't want to be miss understood). I'd like to start play with my guitar, for example a simple riff or arpeggios with a pair of chords record it and while I'm starting to play something other the device keep playing the previous loop , then add another loop and then continuing hearing the previous two playing something else on hit and so on (like 3, or 4 loops or maybe more if possible). I want to do it during live gigs so I need something easy to use if possible. Well Hardware talking I obviously prefer a pedal more than a rack/mini rack. In my budget level I think there are these 4 (I read the reviews on the web page) : the Akai Headrush, the Line6 (the green one), The Boss and The Boomerang. I play alone as I told you so something in which I can connect more than an Instrument (like guitar + voice= could be interesting. 1- What's your advices , please write me down your favourite order (if you have one) because since I live in Italy, maybe your absolute favourite is impossible to find here. 2- Can you suggest even a software application to do that sort of thing, (maybe the hrdware is better , but just to know), I think Ableton Live is supposed to do this sort of things. 3- Does anybody knows what Joseph Arthur (one of my favourite songwriter) use for his fantastics loops ? Thanks a lot in advance , I'm proud to be one of the new of the community. Bye, Matteo --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4963392=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, my name is Matteo , I'm writing you form the far and sunny Italy, because I really need an advice from you gurus. I'm mad for your great web site and I really trust your opinions. I'm a songwriter, I used to play in a band but now I'd lke to play alone. My kind of music is all that kind stuff called like "lo-fi", psycho-indie, and so on. Well, sincerly talking I'm not "all" alone I play together with my notebook. I play guitar and sing then there's my notebook (PC). I used to prepare some loops at home and then during live gigs play my guitar and sing while the notebook plays those loops. Now I'm looking for something different. I'd like to record even those loops during the live set, "on the fly" as you say. I know you perfectly know what I mean but due to my bad English I try to explain in any case (I don't want to be miss understood). I'd like to start play with my guitar, for example a simple riff or arpeggios with a pair of chords record it and while I'm starting to play something other the device keep playing the previous loop , then add another loop and then continuing hearing the previous two playing something else on hit and so on (like 3, or 4 loops or maybe more if possible). I want to do it during live gigs so I need something easy to use if possible. Well Hardware talking I obviously prefer a pedal more than a rack/mini rack. In my budget level I think there are these 4 (I read the reviews on the web page) : the Akai Headrush, the Line6 (the green one), The Boss and The Boomerang. I play alone as I told you so something in which I can connect more than an Instrument (like guitar + voice= could be interesting.
1- What's your advices , please write me down your favourite order (if you have one) because since I live in Italy, maybe your absolute favourite is impossible to find here.
2- Can you suggest even a software application to do that sort of thing, (maybe the hrdware is better , but just to know), I think Ableton Live is supposed to do this sort of things.
3- Does anybody knows what Joseph Arthur (one of my favourite songwriter) use for his fantastics loops ?
Thanks a lot in advance , I'm proud to be one of the new of the community.
Bye, Matteo
--_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4963392=_=_=_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 17:34:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06395; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:28:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:28:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021211170129.00a8df80@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:33:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: fripp'n'frisell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:37 PM 12/11/2002 -0500, Louie Angulo wrote: > One of my quests is still to mix all my loopers and digital rack gear with my favorite stomp boxes mainy compressors fuzzboxes and wahs but as i hooked them up in the back of the external control jacks from my roland GP100 preamp i noticed that it changes their tone quality. [snip] < hey louie here's $.02 - maybe it's just me (and really, what isn't when you get right down to it) but i could swear i've noticed many times that "9-volt-ization" has a way of making things sound tiny - especially in a recording context, less so thru an amp but still can happen... even your biggest baddest shred-o-stompbox just kinda makes things sound dinky sometimes. i might suggest that you make a few tests, switching the order of the boxes around and seeing if that ekes out a bit more, er, bollusks for ya. i use an _awful_ lot of boxes and it took awhile (and in one or two cases blatant neglect of the manufacturer's suggested application) til i got it.... to where i just couldn't take switching them around anymore and decided "stick, dealer". and then At 02:37 PM 12/11/2002 -0500, kirkland mack wrote: > Which tunes does Bill Frisell do looping stuff on? I'm looking for some recommended listening. < having been a fris feak since way longer than i like to own up to being alive for i'd have to say it's awfully tough to know when he's doing what at all. the guy's style is so fluid, his moves are so discreet, and at times it looks like he's just plugged straight into the amp (or two amps...) maybe he's figured some kinda guitar-version of circular breathing..... anyway i would heartily concur - ANY frisell is good frisell, much is great frisell, and you will be rewarded many times over whatever you pick - BUT BE AWARE: his range of styles is VAST. his live trio stuff with joey baron and kermit driscoll _in no way_ resembles his renderings of shenandoah, or which are not too much at all like his renderings of sousa or the costello/bacharach tunes... etc. except - in some way, it's ALL him and it's always unmistakable. how does he DO that ???!?? beats the cwap out of me. anyway, why i mention it is, if you get a bf record and it doesn't grab you, try another one. KEEP the first one, come back to it in 6 months and prepare to have your head screwed on backwards... or not, depending. i say, clear off a good 7 or 8 inches of shelf space and start collecting. funny thing about seeing him play - he spends a lot of time with one hand on the tuning machines, seems like he's constantly making minute adjustments of some kind or other. either the poor man has absolute pitch (i can only imagine what horror life must be for those who do) or "he-has-a-thing-he-does-that-makes-that-sound". ok, how long has it been? like it was last night i recall sitting on the floor at roulette, watching him play a round of cobra with (against?) fred frith, john zorn, arto lindsay, david moss and shelly hirsch. and wondering "who's the awesome new guy with the slinky sound and the glasses?" a:c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 17:50:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07506; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:45:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:36:04 -0800 From: Daryl Subject: [looper's] Re: fripp'n'frisell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DF7BDD4.BB407D8E@mhorse.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021211170129.00a8df80@mail.pdfsystems.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think what he does with that hand up there is bending the neck slightly to give it a slight whammy, that creepy, ghostly wavering almost-out-of-tune effect, accentuated when combined with a little delay like he's usually got. I can't imagine what it does for a guitar to have it's neck physically wrung all the time, but he does seem to have a new guitar every few years...and I wouldn't be surprised if he does have to work on tuning all the time too. What I like best about his loops is that they're so integrated into his live playing, he doesn't use them for accompaniment in the usual sense. They're just another effect that's combined with his playing. "Gone, Just Like a Train" is the cd I usually recommend to Frisell newbies. It's very accessible song-wise, but full of his off-kilter approach. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > funny thing about seeing him play - he spends a lot of time with one hand > on the tuning machines, seems like he's constantly making minute > adjustments of some kind or other. either the poor man has absolute pitch > (i can only imagine what horror life must be for those who do) or > "he-has-a-thing-he-does-that-makes-that-sound" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 18:11:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10705; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:10:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:10:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c2a16a$ca494540$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021211170129.00a8df80@mail.pdfsystems.com> <3DF7BDD4.BB407D8E@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: [looper's] Re: fripp'n'frisell Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:12:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl" > I think what he does with that hand up there is bending the neck slightly to > give it a slight whammy, that creepy, ghostly wavering almost-out-of-tune > effect, accentuated when combined with a little delay like he's usually got. I > can't imagine what it does for a guitar to have it's neck physically wrung all > the time, but he does seem to have a new guitar every few years...and I > wouldn't be surprised if he does have to work on tuning all the time too. He probably gives his guitar a set up every few days to adjust the action and intonation. That's got to be hell on the neck! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 19:08:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16309; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:07:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:07:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021212000645.99108.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:06:45 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: fripp'n' tones etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021211170129.00a8df80@mail.pdfsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the $.02 brother just put it on ma bill:-) I ve seen used patchbays and things like the midi patchmate or the switchblade (which i could never afford) but i don´t know if i would really need something like that.I hate having things that i don´t use 100% and steal space and add weight. So far i have this configuration: Roland GP 100 guitar preamp-line 6 Echo pro-EDP- Gutiar Amp Roland GR33 synth-repeater- to P.A. This way i get clean synth loops apart from the EDP guitar ones.The cool thing about the GR33 is that it comes with distortion effects and The obvious thing is to put the cool stomp boxes after the Echo pro but like i said it starts getting noisy and the tone changes. I don´t know how people like fripp and belew make their salad without patch bays their sound doesnt seem to be suffering and i know they are using a combination of both as well Tips are welcome and just send me the bill guys... cu L.a Repeater > > At 02:37 PM 12/11/2002 -0500, Louie Angulo wrote: > > > > One of my quests is still to mix all my loopers and > digital rack gear with my favorite stomp boxes mainy > compressors fuzzboxes and wahs but as i hooked them > up > in the back of the external control jacks from my > roland GP100 preamp i noticed that it changes their > tone quality. [snip] > < > > hey louie > here's $.02 - > maybe it's just me (and really, what isn't when you > get right down to it) > but i could swear i've noticed many times that > "9-volt-ization" has a way > of making things sound tiny - especially in a > recording context, less so > thru an amp but still can happen... even your > biggest baddest > shred-o-stompbox just kinda makes things sound dinky > sometimes. i might > suggest that you make a few tests, switching the > order of the boxes around > and seeing if that ekes out a bit more, er, bollusks > for ya. i use an > _awful_ lot of boxes and it took awhile (and in one > or two cases blatant > neglect of the manufacturer's suggested application) > til i got it.... to > where i just couldn't take switching them around > anymore and decided > "stick, dealer". > > and then > > At 02:37 PM 12/11/2002 -0500, kirkland mack wrote: > > > > Which tunes does Bill Frisell do looping stuff on? > I'm looking for some > recommended listening. > < > > having been a fris feak since way longer than i like > to own up to being > alive for i'd have to say it's awfully tough to know > when he's doing what > at all. the guy's style is so fluid, his moves are > so discreet, and at > times it looks like he's just plugged straight into > the amp (or two > amps...) maybe he's figured some kinda > guitar-version of circular > breathing..... > > anyway i would heartily concur - ANY frisell is good > frisell, much is great > frisell, and you will be rewarded many times over > whatever you pick - BUT > BE AWARE: his range of styles is VAST. his live trio > stuff with joey baron > and kermit driscoll _in no way_ resembles his > renderings of shenandoah, or > which are not too much at all like his renderings of > sousa or the > costello/bacharach tunes... etc. except - in some > way, it's ALL him and > it's always unmistakable. > > how does he DO that ???!?? beats the cwap out of me. > > anyway, why i mention it is, if you get a bf record > and it doesn't grab > you, try another one. KEEP the first one, come back > to it in 6 months and > prepare to have your head screwed on backwards... or > not, depending. > > i say, clear off a good 7 or 8 inches of shelf space > and start collecting. > > funny thing about seeing him play - he spends a lot > of time with one hand > on the tuning machines, seems like he's constantly > making minute > adjustments of some kind or other. either the poor > man has absolute pitch > (i can only imagine what horror life must be for > those who do) or > "he-has-a-thing-he-does-that-makes-that-sound". > > > ok, how long has it been? like it was last night i > recall sitting on the > floor at roulette, watching him play a round of > cobra with (against?) fred > frith, john zorn, arto lindsay, david moss and > shelly hirsch. and wondering > "who's the awesome new guy with the slinky sound and > the glasses?" > > a:c > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 19:36:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17590; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:31:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:31:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021212003147.29282.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:31:47 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: fripp'n' tones etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021212000645.99108.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Louie Angulo wrote: > So far i have this configuration: > Roland GP 100 guitar preamp-line 6 Echo pro-EDP- > Gutiar Amp > Roland GR33 synth-repeater- to P.A. > This way i get clean synth loops apart from the EDP > guitar ones.The cool thing about the GR33 is that it > comes with distortion effects and The obvious thing is > to put the cool stomp boxes after the Echo pro but > like i said it starts getting noisy and the tone > changes. The problem with putting stomps after a preamp is that they're almost all designed to work at instrument level and are expecting a high inpedence device as input. Your EchoPro is neither, so the sound will definitely suffer because of the impedence and level mismatch. I'd put my stomps before the GP100 and get line level efx to go afterward. I know the EDP will use either level, not sure about the EchoPro (I'd expect line level only, but I don't know). The output of a preamp would normally be line level. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 22:28:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31258; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:28:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:28:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c2a257$1cf0e900$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: Subject: OT: Need a Simpletech 16MB CompactFlash Card. Have one to sell? Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:24:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2A22D.33F02780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2A22D.33F02780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, lads: I know there must be some unused Simpletech 16MB COmpactFlash cards = floatin' around out there. Anyone want to part with one for a reasonable = amount? 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------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2A22D.33F02780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 01:27:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12871; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:24:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:24:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021212062402.49842.qmail@web80110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:24:02 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: Re: [looper's] Re: fripp'n'frisell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005e01c2a16a$ca494540$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1073292290-1039674242=:48456" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1073292290-1039674242=:48456 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii David Beardsley wrote: > I think what he does with that hand up there is bending the neck slightly to give it a > slight whammy, that creepy, ghostly wavering almost-out-of-tune effect, > accentuated when combined with a little delay like he's usually got. Yep that's exactly what he's doing. Don't you think someone should tell him about whammy bars? BTW I love his work with Paul Motian. Anyone heard the ECM Rarum? It's actually quite a good compilation. (stay away from the Keith Jarrett Rarum, yyyeeeeech!) --0-1073292290-1039674242=:48456 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

 David Beardsley <db@biink.com> wrote:

> I think what he does with that hand up there is bending the neck slightly to give it a > slight whammy, that creepy, ghostly wavering almost-out-of-tune effect,                 > accentuated when combined with a little delay like he's usually got.

Yep that's exactly what he's doing. Don't you think someone should tell him about whammy bars? BTW I love his work with Paul Motian. Anyone heard the ECM Rarum? It's actually quite a good compilation. (stay away from the Keith Jarrett Rarum, yyyeeeeech!)

 

--0-1073292290-1039674242=:48456-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 02:59:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19202; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:58:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:58:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:37:24 -0800 Subject: Re: frisell and guitar necks From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005e01c2a16a$ca494540$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lorenzo German recommended that technique to me when I was contemplating whether or not to get the piezo pickups for my Klein and therefore lose the tremolo. I didn't ask him what it did to the longevity of the guitar. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 04:49:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27912; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:46:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:46:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021212094607.14255.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:46:07 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: fripp'n' tones etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021212003147.29282.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7tEQVB.A.C0G.-rF-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Greg, Thanks for clarifying this! This may be the most boring question but how do i know if my gear is line level or instrument or both like the EDP for that matter? If you can refer me to an educational link on this topic i would apreciate it excuse my ignorance L.a > --- Louie Angulo wrote: > > > So far i have this configuration: > > Roland GP 100 guitar preamp-line 6 Echo pro-EDP- > > Gutiar Amp > > Roland GR33 synth-repeater- to P.A. > > This way i get clean synth loops apart from the > EDP > > guitar ones.The cool thing about the GR33 is that > it > > comes with distortion effects and The obvious > thing is > > to put the cool stomp boxes after the Echo pro but > > like i said it starts getting noisy and the tone > > changes. > > The problem with putting stomps after a preamp is > that they're almost all > designed to work at instrument level and are > expecting a high inpedence device as > input. Your EchoPro is neither, so the sound will > definitely suffer because of > the impedence and level mismatch. > > I'd put my stomps before the GP100 and get line > level efx to go afterward. I know > the EDP will use either level, not sure about the > EchoPro (I'd expect line level > only, but I don't know). The output of a preamp > would normally be line level. > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 09:07:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18355; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:05:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:05:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.141.162.175] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fripp'n' tones etc. Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:04:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2002 14:04:45.0017 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C881490:01C2A1E7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ciao Louie, I run the output of my PSA-1 Preamp at -10/Instrumet level into my EDP. Running line level was "to hot to handle" My set is like this right know & seems OK . Chapman Stick> "stomp" boxes> Tech21 PSA amp (2 outputs to loopers)> out1- EDP> Rane Mixer out2- Digitech 8 sec DDL>Lexicon Vortex>> Rane Mixer Mixer Stereo out > Lexicon PCM 80 I really want to switch over to that 8 channel Rane so I can put the pcm80 in the aux send/return Cheers Lou >From: Louie Angulo >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: fripp'n' tones etc. >Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:46:07 -0800 (PST) > > >Hi Greg, >Thanks for clarifying this! >This may be the most boring question but how do i know >if my gear is line level or instrument or both like >the EDP for that matter? >If you can refer me to an educational link on this >topic i would apreciate it >excuse my ignorance >L.a > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 11:16:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28934; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:11:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:11:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021212161027.29056.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:10:27 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: where is the looper in this picture? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA1A@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, is this mixing desk a submixer in your own setup, or do you control an onstage mix of all three R.M.I.ists through it? There're probably enough of us using mixers in our individual rigs to warrant another survey thread: How many of us are using multiple mixers?! I use a similar setup in which each of my loopers returns to its own channel strip. When loops are going on more than one of them, I can 'play' the faders. I usually try to keep a channel open when playing with another musician and either sneak a line out of their rig or stick a mic in the back of their amp, preferably without their knowledge. My favorite response was when a guitarist I was playing with exclaimed "That loop you were doing went PERFECTLY with what I was playing!" and I had to confess that the loop I was doing WAS what he was playing! Shortly after that, his pedalboard was sporting a DL4 and a Headrush... -t- --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I use the looper (or "freezer box" in r.m.i. > language) as en effect on a mixing desk. it's > returned up a regular channel strip ... > ... pretty much anything that > appears at the desk can be grabbed into the looper > and messed with, so sometimes gary will turn his > jam-man down and the guitar will carry on looping > because I've had a sneaky sniff of it going into the > repeater without him knowing. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 11:55:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32051; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:52:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:52:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021212165130.86929.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:51:30 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: fripp'n' tones etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3HivSC.A.t0H.y6L-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great tip! never used a mixer but since i began looping i think is a must. Rane uh? i am going to check them out i was actually thinking of getting a little 1202VL Mackie.How is their quality? thanks bro L.a > Ciao Louie, > > I run the output of my PSA-1 Preamp at -10/Instrumet > level into my EDP. > Running line level was "to hot to handle" My set is > like this right know & > seems OK . > > > Chapman Stick> "stomp" boxes> Tech21 PSA amp (2 > outputs to loopers)> > > out1- EDP> Rane Mixer > out2- Digitech 8 sec DDL>Lexicon Vortex>> Rane Mixer > > Mixer Stereo out > Lexicon PCM 80 > > > I really want to switch over to that 8 channel Rane > so I can put the pcm80 > in the aux send/return > > Cheers > Lou > > > >From: Louie Angulo > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: fripp'n' tones etc. > >Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:46:07 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Hi Greg, > >Thanks for clarifying this! > >This may be the most boring question but how do i > know > >if my gear is line level or instrument or both like > >the EDP for that matter? > >If you can refer me to an educational link on this > >topic i would apreciate it > >excuse my ignorance > >L.a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 11:56:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32080; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:52:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:52:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b601c29e13$71289f10$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: Subject: re: Advice gurus Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:09:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B3_01C29DE1.24341270" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B3_01C29DE1.24341270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Lance Chance=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Advice gurus For your application, it might be difficult to get the results that you = desire from a floor unit. Whether or not you want independent control = and mixing ability for these different loop layers that you want to = create is probably the most crucial question here. I have both a = repeater and an echoplex digital pro and I was really obsessed with = defining their different properties. =20 In my opinion, the echoplex digital pro has a higher sound quality and = (forgive me, you repeater fanatics) is a more "musical" piece of = hardware. However, the repeater is probably more versatile in and of = itself, because it has multiple tracks with independent control and = I/O's. One thing that is very significant to me is that the EDP is capable of = seamless loops if it is not trying to sync to something and the repeater = is not. Let me define seamless before I invite the wrath of the = repeater crowd. Seamless here means the ability to carry a consistent = and steady tone across the loop point without an audible artifact (pop, = flutter, gap ... etc). If you are doing drums or choppy guitar or = instrustrial noise or anything that is not a steady tone, this doesn't = really matter. If you are looping a tambura, it could be a problem. That really taps me, as I do not own any of the floor units. However, = I have a line six echo pro in the mail and I'll be happy to let you know = how I feel about that. Also be aware that I am relatively new around these parts and am, in no = way, an expert. However, I have a lot exposure to various technology = and know enough to ask some of the right questions. =20 good luck, lance ps. about software, i know nothing. i love computers, but not for = realtime. www.chanceinformation.info ----- Original Message -----=20 From: D0tt0r3=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: Advice gurus Hi, my name is Matteo , I'm writing you form the far and sunny Italy, = because I really need an advice from you gurus. I'm mad for your great = web site and I really trust your opinions. I'm a songwriter, I used to = play in a band but now I'd lke to play alone. My kind of music is all = that kind stuff called like "lo-fi", psycho-indie, and so on. Well, = sincerly talking I'm not "all" alone I play together with my notebook. I = play guitar and sing then there's my notebook (PC). I used to prepare = some loops at home and then during live gigs play my guitar and sing = while the notebook plays those loops. Now I'm looking for something = different. I'd like to record even those loops during the live set, "on = the fly" as you say. I know you perfectly know what I mean but due to my = bad English I try to explain in any case (I don't want to be miss = understood). I'd like to start play with my guitar, for example a simple = riff or arpeggios with a pair of chords record it and while I'm starting = to play something other the device keep playing the previous loop , then = add another loop and then continuing hearing the previous two playing = something else on hit and so on (like 3, or 4 loops or maybe more if = possible). I want to do it during live gigs so I need something easy to = use if possible. Well Hardware talking I obviously prefer a pedal more = than a rack/mini rack. In my budget level I think there are these 4 (I = read the reviews on the web page) : the Akai Headrush, the Line6 (the = green one), The Boss and The Boomerang. I play alone as I told you so = something in which I can connect more than an Instrument (like guitar + = voice=3D could be interesting.=20 1- What's your advices , please write me down your favourite order (if = you have one) because since I live in Italy, maybe your absolute = favourite is impossible to find here. 2- Can you suggest even a software application to do that sort of = thing, (maybe the hrdware is better , but just to know), I think Ableton = Live is supposed to do this sort of things. 3- Does anybody knows what Joseph Arthur (one of my favourite = songwriter) use for his fantastics loops ? Thanks a lot in advance , I'm proud to be one of the new of the = community. Bye, Matteo ------=_NextPart_000_00B3_01C29DE1.24341270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
From: Lance Chance=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: Advice gurus

For your application, it might be = difficult to get=20 the results that you desire from a floor unit.   Whether or = not you=20 want independent control and mixing ability for these different loop=20 layers that you want to create is probably the most crucial = question=20 here.  I have both a repeater and an echoplex digital pro and = I was=20 really obsessed with defining their different properties.  =20
In my opinion, the echoplex digital pro = has a=20 higher sound quality and (forgive me, you repeater fanatics) is a more = "musical"=20 piece of hardware.   However, the repeater is probably more = versatile=20 in and of itself, because it has multiple tracks with independent = control and=20 I/O's.
One thing that is very significant to = me is that=20 the EDP is capable of seamless loops if it is not trying to sync to = something and the repeater is not.   Let me define seamless = before I=20 invite the wrath of the repeater crowd.   Seamless here means = the=20 ability to carry a consistent and steady tone across the loop point = without an=20 audible artifact (pop, flutter, gap ... etc).   If you are = doing drums=20 or choppy guitar or instrustrial noise or anything that is not a steady = tone,=20 this doesn't really matter.   If you are looping a tambura, it = could=20 be a problem.
That really taps me, as I do not own = any of the=20 floor units.   However, I have a line six echo pro in the = mail=20 and I'll be happy to let you know how I feel about that.
Also be aware that I am relatively new = around these=20 parts and am, in no way, an expert.   However, I have a lot = exposure=20 to various technology and know enough to ask some of the right=20 questions.  
 
good luck,
lance
 
ps. about software, i know = nothing.  i=20 love computers, but not for realtime.
 
www.chanceinformation.info=
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 D0tt0r3
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, = 2002 3:55=20 PM
Subject: Advice gurus

Hi,=20 my name is Matteo , I'm writing you form the far and sunny Italy, = because I=20 really need an advice from you gurus. I'm mad for your great web site = and I=20 really trust your opinions. I'm a songwriter, I used to play in a band = but now=20 I'd lke to play alone. My kind of music is all that kind stuff called = like=20 "lo-fi", psycho-indie, and so on. Well, sincerly talking I'm not "all" = alone I=20 play together with my notebook. I play guitar and sing then there's my = notebook (PC). I used to prepare some loops at home and then during = live gigs=20 play my guitar and sing while the notebook plays those loops. Now I'm = looking=20 for something different. I'd like to record even those loops during = the live=20 set, "on the fly" as you say. I know you perfectly know what I mean = but due to=20 my bad English I try to explain in any case (I don't want to be miss=20 understood). I'd like to start play with my guitar, for example a = simple riff=20 or arpeggios with a pair of chords record it and while I'm starting to = play=20 something other the device keep playing the previous loop , then add = another=20 loop and then continuing hearing the previous two playing something = else on=20 hit and so on (like 3, or 4 loops or maybe more if possible). I want = to do it=20 during live gigs so I need something easy to use if possible. Well = Hardware=20 talking I obviously prefer a pedal more than a rack/mini rack. In my = budget=20 level I think there are these 4 (I read the reviews on the web page) : = the=20 Akai Headrush, the Line6 (the green one), The Boss and The Boomerang. = I play=20 alone as I told you so something in which I can connect more than an=20 Instrument (like guitar + voice=3D could be interesting.
1- What's = your=20 advices , please write me down your favourite order (if you have one) = because=20 since I live in Italy, maybe your absolute favourite is impossible to = find=20 here.
2- Can you suggest even a software application to do that = sort of=20 thing, (maybe the hrdware is better , but just to know), I think = Ableton Live=20 is supposed to do this sort of things.
3- Does anybody knows what = Joseph=20 Arthur (one of my favourite songwriter) use for his fantastics loops=20 ?
Thanks a lot in advance , I'm proud to be one of the new of the=20 community.
Bye,=20 Matteo
------=_NextPart_000_00B3_01C29DE1.24341270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 12:26:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03167; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:21:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:21:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:23:20 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: frisell and guitar necks To: Mark Hamburg , "Looper's Delight" Message-id: <008001c2a203$3cad7f00$1912be18@Douglas> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quick thoughts: a set of strings exerts about 100-120 pounds of tension on a neck - largely parallel to the neck, to be sure, but that's a lot of poundage. Adding a little wobble to the pitch with your hand on the neck is like changing string gauge for a second - an additional shift of maybe 10 or 15 pounds. It's also like pulling up on a tremolo bar. Not a huge difference. Also, I've noticed that my own guitars and basses tend to drop/rise as much as 25 cents when a major change in humidity occurs. Also, I've done guitar repairs for many years and I've never seen a single instrument with damage from this technique. Also, I've been doing it to my own guitars for almost thirty years, including the occasional Belew-inspired pull-back, causing the strings to "fret out" and squeal, with no apparent damage. Also, just moving a guitar from horizontal/table position to vertical/playing position can generate a pitch shift of 5 cents or so. So my belief system embraces the guitar neck as a flexible item. Mild neck wrenching probably should'nt critical. But I am, after all, The Coyote. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net > Lorenzo German recommended that technique to me when I was contemplating > whether or not to get the piezo pickups for my Klein and therefore lose the > tremolo. I didn't ask him what it did to the longevity of the guitar. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 12:41:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04565; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:39:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:39:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.169.84.124] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fripp'n' tones etc. Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:35:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2002 17:35:56.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED4ADAF0:01C2A204] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have not tried a mackie yet with my stuff but I like the Rane 6 ch mixer/splitter as it is only one rack space & pretty clean too. But again I really want to upgrade over to that 8 channel one & route my pcm80 in the aux send/returns. I see a lot of the NYC Laptop/DJ kids using those Eurodesks, but the faders seemed a little weak to me. Low prices though. Cheers Lou >From: Louie Angulo >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: fripp'n' tones etc. >Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:51:30 -0800 (PST) > > >Great tip! never used a mixer but since i began >looping i think is a must. >Rane uh? i am going to check them out i was actually >thinking of getting a little 1202VL Mackie.How is >their quality? >thanks bro >L.a > > Ciao Louie, > > > > I run the output of my PSA-1 Preamp at -10/Instrumet > > level into my EDP. > > Running line level was "to hot to handle" My set is > > like this right know & > > seems OK . > > > > > > Chapman Stick> "stomp" boxes> Tech21 PSA amp (2 > > outputs to loopers)> > > > > out1- EDP> Rane Mixer > > out2- Digitech 8 sec DDL>Lexicon Vortex>> Rane Mixer > > > > Mixer Stereo out > Lexicon PCM 80 > > > > > > I really want to switch over to that 8 channel Rane > > so I can put the pcm80 > > in the aux send/return > > > > Cheers > > Lou _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 12:50:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05390; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:49:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:49:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039715326!50123 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA2B@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: guitar necks Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:42:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A205.DC439CF0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A205.DC439CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Also, I've been doing it to my own guitars for almost thirty years, including the occasional Belew-inspired pull-back, causing the strings to "fret out" and squeal, with no apparent damage. Also, just moving a guitar from horizontal/table position to vertical/playing position can generate a pitch shift of 5 cents or so. So my belief system embraces the guitar neck as a flexible item. Mild neck wrenching probably should'nt critical....<< anyone remember levitation or dark star? bic (the guitarist, now working with pet shop boys) used a jam man and occasionally an edp, as did the bassist lawrence. the latter used a musicman stingray and managed an effect which, before I'd seen him do it, had me convinced he'd fitted a kramer whammy bridge to the thing. he could bend down a whole semitone just by pushing the headstock forwards while bracing the upper bout of the body. no damage in evidence, though I noticed he kept a spare close by.... I can do the same thing (just) on my rickenbackers, but it makes me nervous. I too have noticed a tuning and action change between sitting with the guitar or bass at an angle, and standing with it perpendicular to the ground. I attributed this to the weight of the strings which, on a bass at least, is not inconsiderable. it's surprising how many guitarists and bassists are terrified of doing anything to the truss rods in their instruments. adjusting them a quarter turn at a time and giving the instrument time to settle down again is, or should be, a significant part of the operation of setting a guitar up, and it really ought to be looked at whenever the strings are changed. certainly with a change of gauge. ricks have two, so that the amount of relief (the neck should exhibit either no bend under tension or a slight bow away from the strings) can be separately adjusted for the thick strings and the thin ones. fender have arsed about and moved the adjustment from one end of the neck to the other a couple of times, making it difficult to adjust on some instruments without removing the neck first....... duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A205.DC439CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: guitar necks

>>Also, I've been doing it to my
own guitars for almost thirty years, including the occas= ional Belew-inspired
pull-back, causing the strings to "fret out" a= nd squeal, with no apparent
damage. Also, just moving a guitar from horizontal/table= position to
vertical/playing position can generate a pitch shift of = 5 cents or so. So my
belief system embraces the guitar neck as a flexible ite= m. Mild neck
wrenching probably should'nt  critical....<<<= /FONT>

anyone remember levitation or dark star? bic (the guitari= st, now working with pet shop boys) used a jam man and occasionally an edp,= as did the bassist lawrence. the latter used a musicman stingray and manag= ed an effect which, before I'd seen him do it, had me convinced he'd fitted= a kramer whammy bridge to the thing. he could bend down a whole semitone j= ust by pushing the headstock forwards while bracing the upper bout of the b= ody. no damage in evidence, though I noticed he kept a spare close by....

I can do the same thing (just) on my rickenbackers, but i= t makes me nervous.
I too have noticed a tuning and action change between si= tting with the guitar or bass at an angle, and standing with it perpendicul= ar to the ground. I attributed this to the weight of the strings which, on = a bass at least, is not inconsiderable.

it's surprising how many guitarists and bassists are terr= ified of doing anything to the truss rods in their instruments. adjusting t= hem a quarter turn at a time and giving the instrument time to settle down = again is, or should be, a significant part of the operation of setting a gu= itar up, and it really ought to be looked at whenever the strings are chang= ed. certainly with a change of gauge. ricks have two, so that the amount of= relief (the neck should exhibit either no bend under tension or a slight b= ow away from the strings) can be separately adjusted for the thick strings = and the thin ones. fender have arsed about and moved the adjustment from on= e end of the neck to the other a couple of times, making it difficult to ad= just on some instruments without removing the neck first.......

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A205.DC439CF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 13:01:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07496; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:59:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:59:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: RE: EDP "MetaButtons" - "Stored Procedures" - "Presets" - "Triggers" Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:01:10 -0500 Organization: Loudcloud, Inc. Message-ID: <001101c2a208$74244f90$9940a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021211100553.02af9f48@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you for the in depth reply, Kim, I didn't catch that in the manual, my mistake. You could've saved yourself some finger time by just typing RTFM. Be well, D Dylan DeAnda EDS Automated Operations + Plan-Do-Check-Act + dylan@loudcloud.com + 703-653-6883 -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 1:37 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP "MetaButtons" - "Stored Procedures" - "Presets" - "Triggers" At 01:49 PM 12/9/2002, Dylan DeAnda wrote: >Is there a way to "Preset" different modes in the edp? > >For example, you have a "mode" that you use for a specific effect or >function, and it's defined as specific quantization value, insert mode, >record mode, etc. > >1. Is there any way to define a "mode" and then call that "mode" >arbitrarily? yes, assuming you are using LoopIV. LoopIV has Presets that let you store parameter settings and recall them. You can do this most easily with MIDI program change messages, but it is also possible to change presets from the front panel. see the Presets section of the LoopIV manual: http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIV.html >2. Is there any way to store a predefined button sequence in the edp? >Sort of like a "metabutton" that sets you up? It depends what you want to do. If you want this in order to edit parameters on the fly, it is likely much easier to do the same thing using Presets. You can switch presets on the fly much easier than editing the parameters. You can also use MIDI SysEx messages to directly edit any parameter, but of course that means a bit more programming of a midi controller. If your goal is to be able to access all of the InsertMode functions at the same time, LoopIV now has them all available by MIDI. These are in the VirtualButton set of midi commands, since they act just like the front panel buttons would. So for example, if you want to use Reverse, HalfSpeed, Replace, and Insert all on the same loop, you could have a midi controller set up with the VirtualButton for each one, and directly use them. This is much easier than with LoopIII, where you had to change the InsertMode parameter each time to program the Insert button to these functions. If you want to directly access functions that normally take several button presses or long-presses to reach on the front panel, LoopIV helps you there also. LoopIV has a greatly expanded MIDI implementation, and the DirectMIDI set of midi commands directly access all of these more complex operations. This way you can have a single button on a midi controller to do something instantly that takes more effort from the front. For example, if you were working with an external sequencer or looper and want to DeAlign and ReAlign your loops, there are several flavors of the ReAlign functions directly available by MIDI. From the front panel you have to press Mute first, and then Multiply to use ReAlign. (there are many more DirectMIDI functions available of course, for example, all the main functions have SUS action versions available in MIDI, in addition to the normal toggle versions.) >I'd like to trigger a prescribed sequence of actions while I'm >scratching on the turntables or singing, so that I can focus more on one >instrument than the edp. > >sounds like I may just need a sequencer........damn...that's not what I >want, I just want that functionality in my edp.> If what you want to do is several different functions at once on a loop, it is possible by midi from a decent midi controller. You don't have to use a sequencer unless you specifically want the actions timed rhythmically to a clock. The better midi controllers will let you set up a string of midi commands to go with one button. For example, you could have a single button that sends Overdub, HalfSpeed, and Reverse all at once. You can develop some really interesting custom functions in this way. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 13:01:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07414; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:59:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:59:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: EDP weirdness Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:02:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6ISOV.A.wzB.n5M-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks, Weirdness at the EDP corral again... Last night at the gig I was getting scratchy static noise (like a dirty pot) during the record mode that would play back in the loop. Even without playing anything it would just loop the noise. If I took out the 1/4" cord from the input jack it would go away but it would return as soon as you plugged back into the input jack. It made the noise even if that 1/4" cord wasn't plugged into the aux send output. Also at one point in the show after I had a huge loop built and it was playing for 5 minutes it suddenly stopped and when I looked at the EDP I saw Loop IV scrolling across the screen like it was powering up. I was not having power problems at the club either. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 13:23:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09037; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:20:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:20:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c29e1f$bf2e1bc0$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP weirdness Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:37:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, what's up with the reboot thing. also sometimes when I'm powering up for the first time i need to turn the on switch on and off over and over again for a loooong time. however, once it's rolling for a while, it doesn't reboot or any thing. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 12:02 PM Subject: EDP weirdness > Hi Folks, > Weirdness at the EDP corral again... > > Last night at the gig I was getting scratchy static noise (like a dirty pot) > during the record mode that would play back in the loop. Even without > playing anything it would just loop the noise. If I took out the 1/4" cord > from the input jack it would go away but it would return as soon as you > plugged back into the input jack. It made the noise even if that 1/4" cord > wasn't plugged into the aux send output. > > Also at one point in the show after I had a huge loop built and it was > playing for 5 minutes it suddenly stopped and when I looked at the EDP I saw > Loop IV scrolling across the screen like it was powering up. I was not > having power problems at the club either. > > Anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks, > Arthur Lee > www.arthurleemusic.com > www.chanceinformation.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 13:27:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09357; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:23:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:23:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039717403!50897 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA2C@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [looper's] RE: where is the looper in this picture? Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:17:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A20A.B3800740" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A20A.B3800740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>So, is this mixing desk a submixer in your own setup, or do you control an onstage mix of all three R.M.I.ists through it?<< bit of both, tim. the rig will be different everytime, depending how much room we will have and how far we have to move the stuff to get to where the gig is at. so the sets we just did in the US, I took very little gear (emu audity and alesis s4 for all the electronic sounds, inc own mellotron samples on the s4 ram card- we had bad luck w/ syquest drives in our emu samplers so I blew them out). there was a repeater, a jam man, the doepfer maq sequencer, the notron sequencer, an alesis mmt8, two evolution controller keyboards with these little white led's on goosenecks and each with a doepfer pocket controller mounted. all the 9V and 5V stuff was powered down the midi cables from a single switch-mode psu (I know, but it works...). and a guitar and a bass, and then the fender VI I bought in philadelphia. gary has a "power train" pedal board, with a briefcase and psu. he sits all his favourite pedals in this thing and the psu runs them all (ac, dc, whatever) without even getting warm. (we had to get an upconverter from a rat shack in LA). it has a setting so that you can run a fuzzbox off reduced volts for extra crunch. it runs the line6 and the jam man without problems. I looked inside it- it's a regular transformer with a selection of regulators; just brick-outhouse engineering, really, nothing clever. the mixer was going to be a soundcraft folio but there were psu issues (they wanted $80 for a 110V version) and then it was going to be our old boss bx16 but that was too shit. so we used a roland vm3100. memories, built-in effects, digtal output. if only it had more analogue ins..... 12 isn't enough. normally, gary has his own rig, inc jam man and dl4, through a guitar amp, and I'll either mic this up or take a line out from the dl4 or the jam man as a sniff into the main desk. that way, I can grab bits of what he's doing and mess with them, or he can discreetly request that I take a copy of the phrase running in the jam man so he can ditch it and start again or so we can do a tempo change. for the philadelphia gig and radio show, however, we borrowed an H&K guitar amp simulator and ran it straight into the vm3100 (which has one high-z input, btw). this was deeply unsatisfactory for gary who needs a bit of separation to hear himself properly, but it sounded ok. we've always done this "mix everything to two-track" thing and seldom use m/track unless there's bass and drums involved aswell. all the albums to date are two-track masters, with maybe a few overdubs where gary couldn't be at the same session. and it's only recently that steve and I have stopped swapping places on stage- we used to share the keyboards and move around, but it bothered people for some reason. as for "controlling the mix"- it's a self-regulating democracy, our band! the faders tend to stay in a straight line and we use midi volume controls for the sequencer and keyboard parts. the evolutions are modified so that a volume pedal can be plugged straight in the back, and the onboard volume control then adjusts the upper limit of the pedal, returning to it's normal function when the pedal is unplugged. why oh why aren't they like this when you buy them? god knows it's simple enough...... duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A20A.B3800740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [looper's] RE: where is the looper in this picture?

>>So, is this mixing desk a submixer in your own se= tup,
or do you control an onstage mix of all three
R.M.I.ists through it?<<

bit of both, tim. the rig will be different everytime, de= pending how much room we will have and how far we have to move the stuff to= get to where the gig is at. so the sets we just did in the US, I took very= little gear (emu audity and alesis s4 for all the electronic sounds, inc o= wn mellotron samples on the s4 ram card- we had bad luck w/ syquest drives = in our emu samplers so I blew them out).

there was a repeater, a jam man, the doepfer maq sequence= r, the notron sequencer, an alesis mmt8, two evolution controller keyboards= with these little white led's on goosenecks and each with a doepfer pocket= controller mounted. all the 9V and 5V stuff was powered down the midi cabl= es from a single switch-mode psu (I know, but it works...).

and a guitar and a bass, and then the fender VI I bought = in philadelphia.

gary has a "power train" pedal board, with a br= iefcase and psu. he sits all his favourite pedals in this thing and the psu= runs them all (ac, dc, whatever) without even getting warm. (we had to get= an upconverter from a rat shack in LA). it has a setting so that you can r= un a fuzzbox off reduced volts for extra crunch. it runs the line6 and the = jam man without problems. I looked inside it- it's a regular transformer wi= th a selection of regulators; just brick-outhouse engineering, really, noth= ing clever.

the mixer was going to be a soundcraft folio but there we= re psu issues (they wanted $80 for a 110V version) and then it was going to= be our old boss bx16 but that was too shit. so we used a roland vm3100. me= mories, built-in effects, digtal output. if only it had more analogue ins..= ... 12 isn't enough.

normally, gary has his own rig, inc jam man and dl4, thro= ugh a guitar amp, and I'll either mic this up or take a line out from the d= l4 or the jam man as a sniff into the main desk. that way, I can grab bits = of what he's doing and mess with them, or he can discreetly request that I = take a copy of the phrase running in the jam man so he can ditch it and sta= rt again or so we can do a tempo change.

for the philadelphia gig and radio show, however, we borr= owed an H&K guitar amp simulator and ran it straight into the vm3100 (w= hich has one high-z input, btw). this was deeply unsatisfactory for gary wh= o needs a bit of separation to hear himself properly, but it sounded ok.

we've always done this "mix everything to two-track&= quot; thing and seldom use m/track unless there's bass and drums involved a= swell. all the albums to date are two-track masters, with maybe a few overd= ubs where gary couldn't be at the same session. and it's only recently that= steve and I have stopped swapping places on stage- we used to share the ke= yboards and move around, but it bothered people for some reason.

as for "controlling the mix"- it's a self-regul= ating democracy, our band! the faders tend to stay in a straight line and w= e use midi volume controls for the sequencer and keyboard parts.

the evolutions are modified so that a volume pedal can be= plugged straight in the back, and the onboard volume control then adjusts = the upper limit of the pedal, returning to it's normal function when the pe= dal is unplugged. why oh why aren't they like this when you buy them? god k= nows it's simple enough......

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A20A.B3800740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 13:33:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08958; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:19:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:19:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021212181853.19673.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:18:53 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: fripp'n' tones etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021212094607.14255.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Louie Angulo wrote: > This may be the most boring question but how do i know > if my gear is line level or instrument or both like > the EDP for that matter? Well, the only way I know of to know for sure is to look at the manual. The general rule of thumb when you don't know better is that -most- floor boxes are set up for instrument level signals (and usually high impedence instruments), and -most- rack mount gear is set up for line level signals (usually low impedence). Generally, if you run the wrong level signal into something it will either overload and distort (signal too hot), or produce too much noise (signal too low). If you need to mix and match, there are devices designed to convert the levels for you, but that's another additional expense. The only reason I knew the EDP would do either was because Kim had posted about it here awhile back (I don't have one myself). > If you can refer me to an educational link on this > topic i would apreciate it I don't know of one, perhaps someone else will. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 13:45:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11003; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:42:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:42:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <1c6.2fac25b.2b2a3245@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:41:09 EST Subject: New AKASH song-video To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c6.2fac25b.2b2a3245_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 232 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1c6.2fac25b.2b2a3245_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy Holidays...just back from a lonnnnnnggg vacation, but we are back with= =20 new treats & fun stuff for the Holiday Season. *Philly's - Darkly Drawn & Experimental - Sexbomb - AKASH - ( a PH.P RECORDS Band ) features members who have played with God Lives Underwater, Josh Wink, Dee-Lite, James Blood Ulmer, King Britt, The Brand New Heavies, GONG, Bill Laswell, Cecil Taylor & Temple of Bon Matin ( BULB RECORDS ) We have just uploaded a New AKASH Video ( Real Player Format Only ) for our song "Young Lovers Parade" off of our forthcoming CD: JOYRIDE VOLUME ONE. Please Ck out the ( LO REZ ) video @ AKASH's Newsgroup on=20 Yahoo:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 http://groups.= yahoo.com/group/akashmusicnewsgroup The video for "Young Lovers Parade", is a stylized/black & white=20 performacne-art piece which mimics the early silent movies of the 1920's wit= h=20 a soundtrack of AKASH playing our most Jazz leaning music ever. & as usual, Elizabeth is featured prominently in this AKASH video. Seeya on tour in your hometown next year.=20 & once again, many, many, many thanks to everyone out there round the world=20 for all of your support for AKASH over the years :) Warmest Regards & Happy Holidays, "AKASH" "The World's Most Erotic Band"=A0=20 http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic http://groups.= yahoo.com/group/akashmusicnewsgroup "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_1c6.2fac25b.2b2a3245_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy Holidays...just back from a lonnnnnnggg vacation= , but we are back with new treats & fun stuff for the Holiday Season.
*Philly's - Darkly Drawn & Experimental - Sexbomb - AKASH - ( a PH.P
RECORDS Band ) features members who have played with God Lives
Underwater, Josh Wink, Dee-Lite, James Blood Ulmer, King Britt, The
Brand New Heavies, GONG, Bill Laswell, Cecil Taylor & Temple of Bon
Matin ( BULB RECORDS )

We have just uploaded a New AKASH Video ( Real Player Format Only )
for our song "Young Lovers Parade" off of our forthcoming CD: JOYRIDE
VOLUME ONE.

Please Ck out the ( LO REZ ) video @ AKASH's Newsgroup on Yahoo:=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
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The video for "Young Lovers Parade", is a stylized/black & white perform= acne-art piece which mimics the early silent movies of the 1920's with a sou= ndtrack of AKASH playing our most Jazz leaning music
ever.

& as usual, Elizabeth is featured prominently in this AKASH video.

Seeya on tour in your hometown next year.

& once again, many, many, many thanks to everyone out there round the wo= rld for all of your support for AKASH over the years :)

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"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"



--part1_1c6.2fac25b.2b2a3245_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 13:59:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12295; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:55:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:55:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021212185549.39619.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:55:49 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Robert Fripp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021211053651.87199.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3zwhRD.A.BAD.2uN-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > <<>>does anyone know what signal chain Robert > Fripp uses to get that tone? I've always liked > that. It sounds like a fuzz box to me, maybe > with an octave.<< > > I think it's just shit-loads of gain, though you > never hear any buzz or hiss.... > also, mr fripp uses his tone controls very > carefully- it's quite a mellow sound > Well, at least in the early 70's, Fripp used just > a volume pedal, wah wah, and fuzztone, with, I > think, a tape delay of some kind (for regular > echo effects). Fripp did an interview in Guitar > Player back in 73 or 74 (Earthbound is mentioned, > and so if Bruford, so it had to be about that > time frame), and he said he wasn't even sure what > brand wah wah or distortion pedal he was using at > that point, and added "I've been able to get my > sound regardless of what fuzztone I'm using" or > something like that. > > At least the way it appears on records like > Earthbound, I think it's the fuzztone, combined > with the careful use of the wah wah and the tone > controls on the guitar. I remember reading where > Steve Stevens (when he was still playing in Billy > Idol's band) said that he used "an old Robert > Fripp" trick, which revolved around using the > neck pickup and backing off on the tone control. > I think he said that he prefered to use a Rat > pedal, whereas Fripp used a Big Muff (not sure > about the early 70's, but I know I read in other > articles where Fripp mentioned using a Big Muff, > and also that he used to use a Burns Buzzaround > as well, in later articles and one of the boffins > working for him build a switching unit that > allowed him to switch between any distortion > pedal he wanted). I was playing around a little last night and got sort of the character of the sound I was thinking about using a BigMuff into a distorted British amp sim on my DG Stomp, with the tone control on the guitar partly rolled off. I was using a Strat-style guitar with Joe Barden pickups, if that matters (I don't really think so, since the Big Muff tends to homogenize whatever you feed it). I certainly don't sound like Robert Fripp when I play, but the tone at least had enough of the character I was listening for that I recognized it. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 14:07:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14817; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:06:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:06:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP weirdness Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:06:45 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001801c2a211$9d416e90$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000d01c29e1f$bf2e1bc0$69894682@lance> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Yeah, what's up with the reboot thing. also sometimes when > I'm powering up for the first time i need to turn the on > switch on and off over and over again for a loooong time. > however, once it's rolling for a while, it doesn't reboot or > any thing. > > lance I had exactly this problem when I bought my new EDP one year ago. Then when upgrading to LoopIV I got some new parts (think they were called "crystals") to replace some parts that were "bad on delivery". It might be that you got one of these EDPs with bad parts ("crystals"?). The fix is an easy one and I think there are people on this list that can advice you better on this matter :-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 16:48:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28905; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:47:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:47:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DF90504.5E434F48@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:52:03 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: New Topic - Making the Best MP3s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How to make the best MP3s? (or MP4s) Here's something I'd like to know more about. I'm way behind on creating these for my own site and would love to hear what the latest thoughts on this are. Also, are there some sites that are good resources on this topic. Thanks Kirby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 17:04:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29524; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:57:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:57:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c29e3e$01f29030$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <001801c2a211$9d416e90$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Subject: Re: EDP weirdness Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:14:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmmmm, it seems like i'm starting to remember a thread having to do with "crystals" or something. I just got loop IV in the mail but haven't installed the chips yet. you mean there was another part that came with your eprom set? lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:06 PM Subject: SV: EDP weirdness > > Yeah, what's up with the reboot thing. also sometimes when > > I'm powering up for the first time i need to turn the on > > switch on and off over and over again for a loooong time. > > however, once it's rolling for a while, it doesn't reboot or > > any thing. > > > > lance > > I had exactly this problem when I bought my new EDP one year ago. Then > when upgrading to LoopIV I got some new parts (think they were called > "crystals") to replace some parts that were "bad on delivery". It might > be that you got one of these EDPs with bad parts ("crystals"?). The fix > is an easy one and I think there are people on this list that can advice > you better on this matter :-) > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ________________ > www.boysen.se > www.fuzz.se > www.upsweden.com www.chanceinformation.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 17:44:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01137; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:39:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:39:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021212173858.00afdb18@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:45:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: frisell's neck Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, i guess i did not describe accurately: what i could swear i saw was bill f.'s hands on the machines, gently tweaking them, not the "neck rolf" as described by many weighers-in... but hell! if i'm wrong, isn't that what endorsement deals are for? hook me up, a:c At 01:01 PM 12/12/2002 -0500, Douglas Baldwin (among many others) wrote: >Quick thoughts: a set of strings exerts about 100-120 pounds of tension on a >neck - largely parallel to the neck, to be sure, but that's a lot of >poundage. Adding a little wobble to the pitch with your hand on the neck is >like changing string gauge for a second - an additional shift of maybe 10 or >15 pounds. It's also like pulling up on a tremolo bar. Not a huge >difference. Also, I've noticed that my own guitars and basses tend to >drop/rise as much as 25 cents when a major change in humidity occurs. Also, >I've done guitar repairs for many years and I've never seen a single >instrument with damage from this technique. Also, I've been doing it to my >own guitars for almost thirty years, including the occasional Belew-inspired >pull-back, causing the strings to "fret out" and squeal, with no apparent >damage. Also, just moving a guitar from horizontal/table position to >vertical/playing position can generate a pitch shift of 5 cents or so. So my >belief system embraces the guitar neck as a flexible item. Mild neck >wrenching probably should'nt critical. But I am, after all, The Coyote. >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 18:03:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02847; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:58:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:58:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.130.89.69] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: frisell's neck Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:57:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2002 22:57:46.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3155B00:01C2A231] Resent-Message-ID: <2UGF1B.A.Zs.JSR-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI, some quotes directly from the man about this http://archive.guitarplayer.com/archive/artists/improv.shtml "I'll play one note, and while the delay expends that note, I can bend it around and get this kind of manual chorusing." http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Delta/2495/gp485_bf.htm Frisell began putting together the ingredients of his trademark airborne guitar sound in the mid '70s, and he often used his ingenuity to explore hidden ranges of timbral colors that are available with limited equipment resources. About 1975, he swapped his ES- 175 for a sad-looking, late-60s Gibson SG that served him well for several years, despite his penchant for tugging on the neck: "That neck is real flexible. There's hardly anything holding it to the body, so I bend it a lot. I'm still waiting for it to come off in my hands. It goes out of tune; if I play a chord, maybe a certain note will go out. By moving the neck a bit, I can bring different notes in and out of tune. I like that.' Combined with a delay unit, this hands-on technique can result in some disarming, woozy frequency sweeps. "I use a long echo on the delay," Bill explains, "and by bending the neck, it's like a manual chorus. When the machine is playing in the same time as the note you're fooling with, they rub against each other.' >From: "anti:clockwise" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: frisell's neck >Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:45:04 -0500 > > > >well, i guess i did not describe accurately: >what i could swear i saw was bill f.'s hands on the machines, gently >tweaking them, >not the "neck rolf" as described by many weighers-in... > >but hell! if i'm wrong, isn't that what endorsement deals are for? > >hook me up, >a:c > > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 18:12:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04771; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:11:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:11:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: FW: EDP weirdness Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:14:31 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4KaKYD.A.dKB.QeR-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had the same problem a few months ago and had some of the chips get cleaned and it helped but now it's doing the weirdness again with it shuting off and rebooting. Who knows about this crystal thing? Also any ideas on the static noise when in record mode???? -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com -----Original Message----- From: Lance Chance [mailto:lrc8918@louisiana.edu] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 4:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP weirdness hmmmmm, it seems like i'm starting to remember a thread having to do with "crystals" or something. I just got loop IV in the mail but haven't installed the chips yet. you mean there was another part that came with your eprom set? lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:06 PM Subject: SV: EDP weirdness > > Yeah, what's up with the reboot thing. also sometimes when > > I'm powering up for the first time i need to turn the on > > switch on and off over and over again for a loooong time. > > however, once it's rolling for a while, it doesn't reboot or > > any thing. > > > > lance > > I had exactly this problem when I bought my new EDP one year ago. Then > when upgrading to LoopIV I got some new parts (think they were called > "crystals") to replace some parts that were "bad on delivery". It might > be that you got one of these EDPs with bad parts ("crystals"?). The fix > is an easy one and I think there are people on this list that can advice > you better on this matter :-) > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ________________ > www.boysen.se > www.fuzz.se > www.upsweden.com www.chanceinformation.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 19:11:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10114; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:03:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:03:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:01:21 -0800 Subject: Re: frisell's neck From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com he also mentions this in his great video, i'm thinkin... or i could be wrong and i'll eat a bug s > > FYI, some quotes directly from the man about this > > > http://archive.guitarplayer.com/archive/artists/improv.shtml > > "I'll play one note, and while the delay expends that note, I can bend it > around and get this kind of manual chorusing." > > > > http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Delta/2495/gp485_bf.htm > > Frisell began putting together the ingredients of his trademark airborne > guitar sound in the mid '70s, and he often used his ingenuity to explore > hidden ranges of timbral colors that are available with limited equipment > resources. About 1975, he swapped his ES- 175 for a sad-looking, late-60s > Gibson SG that served him well for several years, despite his penchant for > tugging on the neck: "That neck is real flexible. There's hardly anything > holding it to the body, so I bend it a lot. I'm still waiting for it to come > off in my hands. It goes out of tune; if I play a chord, maybe a certain > note will go out. By moving the neck a bit, I can bring different notes in > and out of tune. I like that.' Combined with a delay unit, this hands-on > technique can result in some disarming, woozy frequency sweeps. "I use a > long echo on the delay," Bill explains, "and by bending the neck, it's like > a manual chorus. When the machine is playing in the same time as the note > you're fooling with, they rub against each other.' > > >> From: "anti:clockwise" >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: frisell's neck >> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:45:04 -0500 >> >> >> >> well, i guess i did not describe accurately: >> what i could swear i saw was bill f.'s hands on the machines, gently >> tweaking them, >> not the "neck rolf" as described by many weighers-in... >> >> but hell! if i'm wrong, isn't that what endorsement deals are for? >> >> hook me up, >> a:c >> >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 20:27:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17250; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:26:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:26:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:29:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: where is the looper in this picture? From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021212161027.29056.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3122569773_2748469_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3122569773_2748469_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I too like to run each of my loopers into a separate channel on a tabletop mixer. Then I can fuck with the EQ's and add and subtract effects and do all kinds of dubby stuff. It's fun to put the bass on a stand and just sit there playing the mixer and delays, etc. The last gig I did, I didn't even bring amps-- just ran my bass through all my processors and loopers, into the little Behringer mixer, and straight out to the PA. Much easier on my back than hauling bass cabs and 2 heads. I had the experience once of playing with a guy who grabbed some of what I was playing with a Repeater, and it was the weirdest thing-- I'd mute one of my loops, and it would still be playing via his setup, or he would change the sound of it while I was still playing along-- it was really cool-- kind of melded us all together into this big sound-producing organism. dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net 617-470-2087 on 12/12/02 11:10 AM, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote: So, is this mixing desk a submixer in your own setup, or do you control an onstage mix of all three R.M.I.ists through it? There're probably enough of us using mixers in our individual rigs to warrant another survey thread: How many of us are using multiple mixers?! I use a similar setup in which each of my loopers returns to its own channel strip. When loops are going on more than one of them, I can 'play' the faders. I usually try to keep a channel open when playing with another musician and either sneak a line out of their rig or stick a mic in the back of their amp, preferably without their knowledge. My favorite response was when a guitarist I was playing with exclaimed "That loop you were doing went PERFECTLY with what I was playing!" and I had to confess that the loop I was doing WAS what he was playing! Shortly after that, his pedalboard was sporting a DL4 and a Headrush... -t- --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I use the looper (or "freezer box" in r.m.i. > language) as en effect on a mixing desk. it's > returned up a regular channel strip ... > ... pretty much anything that > appears at the desk can be grabbed into the looper > and messed with, so sometimes gary will turn his > jam-man down and the guitar will carry on looping > because I've had a sneaky sniff of it going into the > repeater without him knowing. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --MS_Mac_OE_3122569773_2748469_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [looper's] RE: where is the looper in this picture? I too like to run each of my loopers into a separate channel on a tabletop = mixer. Then I can fuck with the EQ's and add and subtract effects and do all= kinds of dubby stuff. It's fun to put the bass on a stand and just sit ther= e playing the mixer and delays, etc.

The last gig I did, I didn't even bring amps-- just ran my bass through all= my processors and loopers, into the little Behringer mixer, and straight ou= t to the PA. Much easier on my back than hauling bass cabs and 2 heads.

I had the experience once of playing with a guy who grabbed some of what I = was playing with a Repeater, and it was the weirdest thing-- I'd mute one of= my loops, and it would still be playing via his setup, or he would change t= he sound of it while I was still playing along-- it was really cool-- kind o= f melded us all together into this big sound-producing organism.

dan


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on 12/12/02 11:10 AM, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote:

So, is this mixing desk a submixer in your own setup,
or do you control an onstage mix of all three
R.M.I.ists through it?

There're probably enough of us using mixers in our
individual rigs to warrant another survey thread: How
many of us are using multiple mixers?!

I use a similar setup in which each of my loopers
returns to its own channel strip. When loops are going
on more than one of them, I can 'play' the faders. I
usually try to keep a channel open when playing with
another musician and either sneak a line out of their
rig or stick a mic in the back of their amp,
preferably without their knowledge. My favorite
response was when a guitarist I was playing with
exclaimed "That loop you were doing went PERFECTLY
with what I was playing!" and I had to confess that
the loop I was doing WAS what he was playing! Shortly
after that, his pedalboard was sporting a DL4 and a
Headrush...

-t-

--- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:
> I use the looper (or "freezer box" in r.m.i.
> language) as en effect on a mixing desk. it's
> returned up a regular channel strip ...

> ... pretty much anything that
> appears at the desk can be grabbed into the looper
> and messed with, so sometimes gary will turn his
> jam-man down and the guitar will carry on looping
> because I've had a sneaky sniff of it going into the
> repeater without him knowing.

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Please write to mattdavignon@hotmail.com or phone 510-268-8213 with any questions. This is a benefit for the 21 Grand arts space. A complete schedule will be posted at or near: http://www.paxrecordings.com/soundshiftoakland.html Participating Musicians: Armageddon String Ensemble - Violin / Viola / Cello / Processing (5 or 6 musicians) Glenn Bach - Laptop / FX / CD Player Tom Bickley - Recorders / Voice / Electronics Big City Orchestra - (das - Roofing Nails + ?; Rob - Throbbing Boxes; Ninah - Keyboards; Mark - Loop Guitar) Bob Boster - Electronics / CD Player / Misused Found Objects Brassiosaurus - (Tom Djll, Ron Heglin & Toyoji Tomita - Trumpets/Trombones/Tuba) Chris Broderick - Clarinet / Alto Sax / Flute / Melodica / Suona Jessica Catron - Cello CMAU (Mark Bartscher - Toy Piano/Cymbals/Motors/Electronics; Kendra Juul - Dry Ice/Electronics; Doug Michael - Walker Soundboard/Electronics; Sudhu Tewari - Modified Stereo Receiver/Springs) Chris Cory - Alto + Bari Sax / Wind Controller / Radio Andre Custodio - Synth Darph/Nader - (Cory Thrall & Jared Butler - Guitars / Keyboards / Small Percussion / Vocal Noise / Other) Matt Davignon - Turntable / Casio Sk-1 / Found Objects Ernesto Diaz-Infante - Acoustic Guitar Thomas Dimuzio - Sampler Jeremy Drake - Amplified Acoustic Guitar Dina Emerson - Voice / Jaw Harp / Wine Glasses / Bottle Blowing Marcos Fernandes - Percussion / Electronics Hans Fjellestad - Synth Eric Franklin - Photo-Theremin Lance Grabmiller - Laptop / Electronics Emily Hay - Flute / Vocals Andrew Hayleck - Guitar Invention / Electronics / Cymbal Anne Hege - Voice Scott Hill - Soprano Sax / Clarinet Jeff Hobbs - Violin / Horns / Bass David Kendall - Bass Guitar / Amp Eric Kuehnl - Laptop Cheryl Leonard - Viola / Found Objects Jacob Lindsay - Clarinet / Bass Clarinet Scott Looney - Laptop Bob Marsh - Accordion / Cello / Dan Mo / Flute / Vibraphone / etc Thollem McDonas - Electric Piano Peter Nyboer - Laptop Len Paterson - Laptop Dan Plonsey - Saxes / Clarinets / Oboe Gino Robair - Suitcase Contents Rent Romus - Reeds / Toys / Things Josie Roth - Processed Viola / Vocals LX Rudis - Synth / CD DJ Rig Stephen Ruiz - CD Field Recordings / Tapes / Acoustic Guitar / Effects Skincage - (Jon Ray - Found Objects / Circuit-Bent Instruments / Live Sampling) SKIZMZ - (Bill Leikam, David Leikam, Craig Latta & Eric Shulman - Various Instruments) David Slusser - Woodwinds / Oud / Electronics Moe! Staiano - Percussion Ezekiel Talbot - Guitar / Laptop / Voice / Toys / Found Objects Ron Thompson - 6, 7, 8 String Guitars Max Valentino - Bass Guitar / Loops Ven Voisey - Stuff Jon Wagner - Percussion Ian Yeager - Guitar Yellow Chair Ensemble (Alan Leschuza - Woodwinds; Derek Keller - Guitar; Nina Eidsheim - Vocals/Electronics; Gustavo Aguilar & Don Nichols - Drums / Percussion) Joseph Zitt - Voice _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 21:25:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22178; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:21:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:21:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DF94425.2020603@quik.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:21:25 -0800 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: frisell's neck and PDX loop fest update. References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021212173858.00afdb18@mail.pdfsystems.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021212173858.00afdb18@mail.pdfsystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anti:clockwise wrote: > > > well, i guess i did not describe accurately: > what i could swear i saw was bill f.'s hands on the machines, gently > tweaking them, > not the "neck rolf" as described by many weighers-in... > I've seen Frisell play many times, and the tweaking of the tuning machines is to (suprise, suprise) tune the strings. The "neck-bending" technique really doesn't do much to the neck, but it DOES cause your fingers to mildly bend the strings in a way that sounds like a very slow vibrato. I use this technique on my prs archtop and it works great. I also use it on my tremelo-equipped parkers, which tends to result in a much wider vibrato, and sometimes I also grab the trem arm at the same time to get yet another type of vibrato. YMMV. On to the loopfest. The date is looking like Jan. 12 at the Jasmine Tree, in downtown Portland. The moment I get a firm date, I'll be getting in touch with all the generous folks who have expressed intrest. Thanks all for your patience. D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 21:49:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23489; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:45:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:45:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:45:50 -0500 Subject: Robert Fripp & Big Muff From: kenn lowy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200212122244.RAA01533@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3122574353_10238793" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3122574353_10238793 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Robert Fripp has gone on record several times stating that he has never used a Big Muff. Klowy (aka wrinklemuzik) --B_3122574353_10238793 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Robert Fripp & Big Muff Robert Fripp has gone on record several times stating = that he has never used a Big Muff.

Klowy (aka wrinklemuzik)
--B_3122574353_10238793-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 22:40:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28455; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:39:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:39:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DF8E6AF.3829@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:42:40 +0000 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echopl/repeater..for Sale References: <002a01c2a155$95bed980$170d06d5@pc1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com franz-loop wrote: 2. who has an electrix- repeater to sell or knows where i can get > one... I'll be selling my Repeater along with the 128 mb Simple Tech card and the footpedal for 650.00 OBO e-mail me off list Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 22:44:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28895; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:44:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:44:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a7.d913c84.2b2ab151@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:43:13 EST Subject: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a7.d913c84.2b2ab151_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a7.d913c84.2b2ab151_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/02 11:53:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > i was actually > thinking of getting a little 1202VL Mackie i think they sound great.....BUT.....after a few months i realized that i needed more.....if you can get a bigger unit go for it, next to "random play" on a cd machine, effect sends and returns are the greatest invention since sliced bread.....perhaps a larger "beringher" mixer, any thoughts on that?......and all this talk about the best loopers, my advice, collect all the loopers you can, the more the loopier.....as for frisell, i heard my first on "ghost town" a few months ago and was totally blown away, this past weekend i was turned onto "this land" ouch!, its very cool to have a "hero" when you're my age.....his tone, his playing, his orkestration and most importantly, his composition, WOW.....michael --part1_1a7.d913c84.2b2ab151_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/02 11:53:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, laab2000us@yahoo.com writes:


i was actually
thinking of getting a little 1202VL Mackie


i think they sound great.....BUT.....after a few months i realized that i needed more.....if you can get a bigger unit go for it, next to "random play" on a cd machine, effect sends and returns are the greatest invention since sliced bread.....perhaps a larger "beringher" mixer, any thoughts on that?......and all this talk about the best loopers, my advice, collect all the loopers you can, the more the loopier.....as for frisell, i heard my first on "ghost town" a few months ago and was totally blown away, this past weekend i was turned onto "this land" ouch!,  its very cool to have a "hero" when you're my age.....his tone, his playing, his orkestration and most importantly, his composition, WOW.....michael
--part1_1a7.d913c84.2b2ab151_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 22:51:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29179; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:47:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:47:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <123.1b329ad0.2b2ab22e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:46:54 EST Subject: Re: frisell and guitar necks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_123.1b329ad0.2b2ab22e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_123.1b329ad0.2b2ab22e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/02 12:22:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, coyotelk@optonline.net writes: > Quick thoughts thanks douglas!.....michael --part1_123.1b329ad0.2b2ab22e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/02 12:22:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, coyotelk@optonline.net writes:


Quick thoughts


thanks douglas!.....michael
--part1_123.1b329ad0.2b2ab22e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 00:11:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04492; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:10:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:10:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c2a265$cea658c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: ":: 3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." , "Looper's Delight Mailing List" , "Ohmbient list" , , , Subject: microtonal gtr on MP3.com Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:09:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01C2A23B.E517AF20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2cJvLC.A.GGB.suW-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C2A23B.E517AF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley Around D All pitches around D, loops performed on a 63 tone Just Intonation = guitar.=20 >From a forthcoming CD of microtonal Just Intonation guitar music. = November 2002.=20 * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C2A23B.E517AF20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Around D
 
All pitches around D, loops performed on a 63 tone Just Intonation = guitar.=20
From a forthcoming CD of microtonal Just Intonation guitar music. = November=20 2002.
 
 
 
* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley<= /FONT>
------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C2A23B.E517AF20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 01:22:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09177; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:18:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:18:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <128.1d87c00b.2b2ad5a0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:18:08 EST Subject: something about vampires and sluts (northeast tour) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_128.1d87c00b.2b2ad5a0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: <34RilD.A.SPC.muX-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_128.1d87c00b.2b2ad5a0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey! we're going out for little tour next week maybe we'll run into you? i'll be the guy with the edp.....lots of rock n roll loops. sunday december 15th philadephia,pa at silk city monday the 16th easthampton,ma at the flywheel tuesday the 17th ny,ny at cbgb (7pm show) wednesday the 18th baltimore,md at the sidebar thursday the 19th winston salem,nc at ps 211 friday the 20th charlotte,nc at the steeple please come if you can, brian something about vampires and sluts info mp3s etc at::::::: somethingaboutvampiresandsluts.com --part1_128.1d87c00b.2b2ad5a0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey!
we're going out for little tour next week maybe we'll run into you? i'll be the guy with the edp.....lots of rock n roll loops.

sunday december 15th philadephia,pa at silk city
monday the 16th easthampton,ma at the flywheel
tuesday the 17th ny,ny at cbgb (7pm show)
wednesday the 18th baltimore,md at the sidebar
thursday the 19th winston salem,nc at ps 211
friday the 20th charlotte,nc  at the steeple

please come if you can,
brian
something about vampires and sluts

info mp3s etc at:::::::
somethingaboutvampiresandsluts.com
--part1_128.1d87c00b.2b2ad5a0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 03:36:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18901; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:30:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:30:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021213002043.045b8008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:30:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: FW: EDP weirdness In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com most likely you just have some broken solder joints somewhere - basic wear and tear from moving gear around a lot. But the reality is, you can't possibly get a hardware problem evaluated and fixed by asking on a mailing list about it. At best you will get random speculation that is more likely to waste your time by being completely wrong, since nobody can know what the problem is without looking into the unit. You need a skilled technician who is familiar with the product to get in there with appropriate tools, figure out the problem, and fix it. In this case, that person would be Shane Radtke at Gibson. Give him a call and get his help. kim At 03:14 PM 12/12/2002, ARTHUR LEE MUSIC wrote: >I had the same problem a few months ago and had some of the chips get >cleaned and it helped but now it's doing the weirdness again with it shuting >off and rebooting. >Who knows about this crystal thing? > >Also any ideas on the static noise when in record mode???? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 04:12:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22238; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 04:07:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 04:07:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c2a286$f9b3c220$a31d7344@schererfamily> From: "Ted Scherer" To: Subject: In need of help Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:06:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2A254.AEE4D4A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2A254.AEE4D4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi...I just subscribed to loopers and dont know exactly how this = works but ill give it a try. Anyways, i have been saving and buying and = saving and buying for 2 years now to get some really good equipment for = a guitar rack. I'm finally where i want to be, but the only problem is = wiring the thing. I'm a rookie at this and since this is such a complex = rig im sure ill learn more than enough after its all wired. Well' if = anyone could help me by drawing up a diagram or some kinda schematic it = would be great!!! So i'll list all my equipment for whoever can try and = help me out. Thanks, Ted! ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2A254.AEE4D4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
       = Hi...I just=20 subscribed to loopers and dont know exactly how this works but ill give = it a=20 try.  Anyways, i have been saving and buying and saving and buying = for 2=20 years now to get some really good equipment for a guitar rack.  I'm = finally=20 where i want to be, but the only problem is wiring the thing.  = I'm a=20 rookie at this and since this is such a complex rig im sure ill learn = more than=20 enough after its all wired.  Well' if anyone could help me by = drawing up a=20 diagram or some kinda schematic it would be great!!!  So i'll list = all my=20 equipment for whoever can try and help me out.  Thanks,=20 Ted!
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2A254.AEE4D4A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 04:29:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23166; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 04:29:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 04:29:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021213092851.61697.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:28:51 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1a7.d913c84.2b2ab151@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks mike ill check out the behringers i supposed they´re cheaper as well... but better? L.a > > i think they sound great.....BUT.....after a few > months i realized that i > needed more.....if you can get a bigger unit go for > it, next to "random play" > on a cd machine, effect sends and returns are the > greatest invention since > sliced bread.....perhaps a larger "beringher" mixer, > any thoughts on > that?......and all this talk about the best loopers, > my advice, collect all > the loopers you can, the more the loopier.....as for > frisell, i heard my > first on "ghost town" a few months ago and was > totally blown away, this past > weekend i was turned onto "this land" ouch!, its > very cool to have a "hero" > when you're my age.....his tone, his playing, his > orkestration and most > importantly, his composition, WOW.....michael > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 11:13:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20217; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:07:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:07:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <161.1881e793.2b2b5fc2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:07:30 EST Subject: Re: In need of help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA20195 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Ted, In a message dated 12/13/02 1:08:15 AM, Ted82@charter.net writes: >Hi...I just subscribed to loopers and don't know exactly how this works >but ill give it a try. Anyways, i have been saving and buying and saving >and buying for 2 years now to get some really good equipment for a guitar >rack. I'm finally where i want to be, but the only problem is wiring the >thing. I'm a rookie at this and since this is such a complex rig im sure >ill learn more than enough after its all wired. Well' if anyone could >help me by drawing up a diagram or some kinda schematic it would >be great!!! So i'll list all my equipment for whoever can try and help me >out. Thanks, Ted! Gee, that seems weird for some reason. Not many other Teds on this list. Heck, other than my son and my father I hardly KNOW any other Teds. Well, enough of that for now. I play guitar, I use a rack system (have done so for over a dozen years now). A couple of years ago I expanded from 12 spaces to 16 spaces. Can't claim to be a total expert but I figure I have tried as many options as there are and have made all the mistakes there are to make on the way to getting MY tone (so far as that goes). I don't know if I can help but fire away whenever you're ready with that list. I bet a significant number of guitar geeks on the LD list will have all sorts of good ideas for you. Tell us what you've got. I suppose if your intended rack setup contains a looper of some sort somewhere in the signal chain it won't be considered too "off topic" for this list. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 11:15:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20744; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:14:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:14:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b901c2a2c2$85fb76c0$6f424ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <161.1881e793.2b2b5fc2@aol.com> Subject: Re: In need of help Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:13:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Gee, that seems weird for some reason. Not many other Teds on this list. > Heck, other than my son and my father I hardly KNOW any other Teds. well, at least you can rest easy knowing that the Killian's have upped the world's Ted-count to the tune of three... You be honoured with some special title at this year's Ted-awards, during Ted-Awareness Week... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 11:25:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21361; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:22:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:22:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c29ed8$5e5f8cc0$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021213002043.045b8008@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: FW: EDP weirdness Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:39:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-vP1MD.A.rNF.skg-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com gack! that could mean weeks without my precious EDP!!!! a-gon-yyyy! but i suppose that is probably best : ( lance www.chanceinformation.info ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 2:30 AM Subject: Re: FW: EDP weirdness > most likely you just have some broken solder joints somewhere - basic wear > and tear from moving gear around a lot. > > But the reality is, you can't possibly get a hardware problem evaluated and > fixed by asking on a mailing list about it. At best you will get random > speculation that is more likely to waste your time by being completely > wrong, since nobody can know what the problem is without looking into the > unit. You need a skilled technician who is familiar with the product to get > in there with appropriate tools, figure out the problem, and fix it. In > this case, that person would be Shane Radtke at Gibson. Give him a call and > get his help. > > kim > > At 03:14 PM 12/12/2002, ARTHUR LEE MUSIC wrote: > >I had the same problem a few months ago and had some of the chips get > >cleaned and it helped but now it's doing the weirdness again with it shuting > >off and rebooting. > >Who knows about this crystal thing? > > > >Also any ideas on the static noise when in record mode???? > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 11:33:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21799; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:29:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:29:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039796946!39176 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA3A@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: Robert Fripp & Big Muff Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:22:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A2C3.E5506990" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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 >> Robert Fripp has gone on record several times stating that he has never used a Big Muff. << 

 I shall ask toyah about that next time she's working for vh1.... :-) 
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A2C3.E5506990-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 11:53:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22971; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:49:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:49:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <293580-2200212513164951229@M2W079.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: onelonecrow@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 64.160.12.118 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "onelonecrow@earthlink.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT Toyah Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:49:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2002 16:49:51.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7841CC0:01C2A2C7] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA22946 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If it's not too much trouble, will you also ask if Sunday All Over The World will ever reform/record. Thanks, joe Original Message: ----------------- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:22:56 -0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: Robert Fripp & Big Muff >> Robert Fripp has gone on record several times stating that he has never used a Big Muff. << I shall ask toyah about that next time she's working for vh1.... :-) duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 13:17:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31977; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:16:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:16:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:16:38 -0800 Subject: OT: Rethinking the whole A/D thing From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had started down the path of worrying about limiting and A/D conversion thinking that I should get something to help me keep leveraging my SP-808 and somewhat aging DAT deck as recording mechanisms. The responses from this list seemed to basically be: Just record in 24-bit and leave plenty of headroom. That makes sense, but left me then thinking about the whole process since it doesn't leverage my existing hardware. My goals are to have something simple in my studio setup that I can basically hit record on and grab a jam. I then want to be able to take it over to my computer to clean it up. I'm less interested in recording straight to the computer because it's more hassle in the midst of playing and it's less portable. The SP-808 let me do that via ZIP disks (though the SP-808 importer software is not exactly completely friendly with MacOS X). But I was running into problems overloading the inputs on the SP-808 and when I turn down the volume, I'm not getting as much of the 16-bit range. (I've assumed that the problems I've heard are signal overload and not compression artifacts.) So, what to do. Per various discussions here, I started looking at minidisc records. I'm sort of eyeing the Sony MDSE10 since it seems to have fairly serious audio specs and reasonably connectivity. On the other hand, that would require running an SPDIF cable from the minidisc recorder back to an interface (which I'd also have to get) on my computer. If someone feels this is the way to go and/or has specific recommendations regarding this approach, I'm interested in hearing them. Then this morning, I started thinking: This is silly, what you really want to do is record to CompactFlash. SmartMedia seems to cap out at about 128 meg as far as I can tell, but CompactFlash can accommodate much higher capacities and is easy to transfer to the computer. Does anyone know of a recorder with good 24-bit converters that records to CompactFlash? 2 tracks would be sufficient. 4 tracks would be a bonus. Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 13:32:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00542; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:29:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:29:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021213182909.82420.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:29:09 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: FW: EDP weirdness To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021213002043.045b8008@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > But the reality is, you can't possibly get a hardware problem evaluated and > fixed by asking on a mailing list about it. Perhaps Gibson is better, but my reality regarding this sort of intermittant hardware problem is that no tech will ever be able to find it or fix it until it gets so bad that it's reproducable within the first 2 minutes. At best, you'll get your broken machine back without a charge ('cause they couldn't find anything). At worst, they'll shotgun it, replacing all kinds of crap in there and charging you a big fee...and still not get the problem fixed. > At best you will get random > speculation that is more likely to waste your time by being completely > wrong, since nobody can know what the problem is without looking into the > unit. No, at BEST, someone else will have had the same problem and will have the expertise to tell you exactly how to fix it. As you say, it's not very likely, but I've seen it happen before. Now...the USUAL thing would be what you described. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 14:08:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04486; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:06:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:06:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021213092851.61697.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021213092851.61697.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:53:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Behringer Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA04465 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the Eurouack 2642 $400, 16 channels in plus extra returns, six sends, sounds great. At 1:28 AM -0800 12/13/02, Louie Angulo wrote: >Thanks mike >ill check out the behringers i supposed they¥re >cheaper as well... but better? >L.a >> >> i think they sound great.....BUT.....after a few >> months i realized that i >> needed more.....if you can get a bigger unit go for >> it, next to "random play" >> on a cd machine, effect sends and returns are the >> greatest invention since >> sliced bread.....perhaps a larger "beringher" mixer, >> any thoughts on >> that?......and all this talk about the best loopers, >> my advice, collect all >> the loopers you can, the more the loopier.....as for >> frisell, i heard my >> first on "ghost town" a few months ago and was >> totally blown away, this past >> weekend i was turned onto "this land" ouch!, its >> very cool to have a "hero" >> when you're my age.....his tone, his playing, his >> orkestration and most >> importantly, his composition, WOW.....michael >> > > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 14:32:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06334; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:31:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:31:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c2a2de$43122fe0$7e322697@server> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <20021213092851.61697.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:31:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Louie. I currently use an Eurorack 2004 in my guitar rack (mainly with my loopers and fx) and a DDX3216 (Behringer digital mixer) in my studio(for recording along with an RME Digiface). I love their sound. Now Behringer has created a new line of Euroracks (don't remember the name but you can find them on Behringer web site) that are just like the old ones, but contain as a bonus feature a 24 bit Virtualizer fx processor inside. I think I'll try one of them,too. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louie Angulo" To: Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie > > Thanks mike > ill check out the behringers i supposed they´re > cheaper as well... but better? > L.a > > > > i think they sound great.....BUT.....after a few > > months i realized that i > > needed more.....if you can get a bigger unit go for > > it, next to "random play" > > on a cd machine, effect sends and returns are the > > greatest invention since > > sliced bread.....perhaps a larger "beringher" mixer, > > any thoughts on > > that?......and all this talk about the best loopers, > > my advice, collect all > > the loopers you can, the more the loopier.....as for > > frisell, i heard my > > first on "ghost town" a few months ago and was > > totally blown away, this past > > weekend i was turned onto "this land" ouch!, its > > very cool to have a "hero" > > when you're my age.....his tone, his playing, his > > orkestration and most > > importantly, his composition, WOW.....michael > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 15:03:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09874; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:01:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:01:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c2a2b0$05bb9b00$0df8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <002701c2a286$f9b3c220$a31d7344@schererfamily> Subject: Re: In need of help Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:00:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01C2A2B0.03F5CF20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8hQLaC.A.MaC.xyj-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C2A2B0.03F5CF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ted- i'll try and help. you can mail me list of your gear and i'll see what = i can come up with. email privately, if you don't mind = (jimfowler@prodigy.net) -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C2A2B0.03F5CF20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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i'll try and help.  you can mail me list of = your gear and=20 i'll see what i can come up with.  email privately, if you don't = mind (jimfowler@prodigy.net)
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C2A2B0.03F5CF20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 15:05:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10212; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:05:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:05:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.121.72.67] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Rethinking the whole A/D thing Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:04:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2002 20:04:29.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[D87FADB0:01C2A2E2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you considered HDD recorders and swap trays? I'm not sure what is currently avail The Fostex D series had swap trays. I find swap trays to be an easy way to make very large amounts of data very easily portable. Anyone with any recorder specific thoughts? _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 15:09:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10479; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:07:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:07:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.121.72.67] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In need of help Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:06:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2002 20:06:45.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[29613EB0:01C2A2E3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sounds like Mr Fowler has you covered go ahead a post a list anyway that way we can get in hot-headed, mean-spirited arguments about it over the holidays From: "Ted Scherer" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: In need of help Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:06:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc5-f40.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.252.47]) by mc5-s3.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:07:53 -0800 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc5-f40.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:07:53 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22237;Fri, 13 Dec 2002 04:07:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 04:07:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c2a286$f9b3c220$a31d7344@schererfamily> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2002 09:07:53.0601 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E836F10:01C2A287] Hi...I just subscribed to loopers and dont know exactly how this works but ill give it a try. Anyways, i have been saving and buying and saving and buying for 2 years now to get some really good equipment for a guitar rack. I'm finally where i want to be, but the only problem is wiring the thing. I'm a rookie at this and since this is such a complex rig im sure ill learn more than enough after its all wired. Well' if anyone could help me by drawing up a diagram or some kinda schematic it would be great!!! So i'll list all my equipment for whoever can try and help me out. Thanks, Ted! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 15:20:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11429; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:18:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:18:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:18:05 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: slightly OT: Piracy is Progressive Taxation, and Other Thoughts on the Evolution of Online Distribution To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0ae801c2a2e4$bed5efd0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4OS8oB.A.fyC._Bk-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here's an article by an author who has some interesting things to say about file sharing systems: http://www.openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2002/12/11/piracy.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 17:14:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21701; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:12:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:12:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021213221215.53446.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:12:15 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: In need of help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Ted Scherer" wrote: > Hi...I just subscribed to loopers and dont know exactly how this > works but ill give it a try. Anyways, i have been saving and buying and > saving and buying for 2 years now to get some really good equipment for a > guitar rack. I'm finally where i want to be, but the only problem is wiring > the thing. I'm a rookie at this and since this is such a complex rig im > sure ill learn more than enough after its all wired. Well' if anyone could > help me by drawing up a diagram or some kinda schematic it would be great!!! > So i'll list all my equipment for whoever can try and help me out. > Thanks, Ted! I'm sure Jim will give you good advice offline, but if you post a list of your gear you'll probably get several different ideas. I did that awhile back and got enough different opinions to throughly confuse me, so I went back and did what I should have done to start with...experimented, to figure out what -I- liked. BUT the good thing was that I had a bunch of different ideas to work with, some of which I woudn't have thought of myself. Or better yet...send me all your gear. I'll use it for a few months and return it to you all wired up. That's my personal favorite! Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 17:39:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23208; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:36:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:36:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c2a2f8$2744bac0$ad2a5a0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: Subject: Re: Robert Fripp & Big Muff Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:37:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C2A2CE.3DAE7000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C2A2CE.3DAE7000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert Fripp & Big MuffI wonder about that. I saw four League of = Gentlemen performances in 1980 and spent a good portion of each = performance standing directly below Mr. Fripp and gawking at his = technique. His stripped-down pedalboard included a wah-wah pedal and an = Electro-Harmonix "Big Muff Pi." I was never close enough to the stage = to see a pedalboard for the Crimson concerts I attended in '73 and '74.=20 Robert Fripp has gone on record several times stating that he has = never used a Big Muff. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C2A2CE.3DAE7000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert Fripp & Big Muff
I wonder about that.  I saw four League of Gentlemen = performances=20 in 1980 and spent a good portion of each performance standing directly = below Mr.=20 Fripp and gawking at his technique.  His stripped-down pedalboard = included=20 a wah-wah pedal and an Electro-Harmonix "Big Muff Pi."  I was never = close=20 enough to the stage to see a pedalboard for the Crimson concerts I = attended in=20 '73 and '74. 
Robert Fripp has = gone on=20 record several times stating that he has never used a Big=20 Muff.
------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C2A2CE.3DAE7000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 18:14:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26957; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:13:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:13:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c2a2fd$38af3fb0$a31d7344@schererfamily> From: "Ted Scherer" To: References: <161.1881e793.2b2b5fc2@aol.com> <00b901c2a2c2$85fb76c0$6f424ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: In need of help Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:13:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_dS3JB.A.HlG.pmm-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL....Ted is a very rare name isnt it ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Re: In need of help > > Gee, that seems weird for some reason. Not many other Teds on this list. > > Heck, other than my son and my father I hardly KNOW any other Teds. > > well, at least you can rest easy knowing that the Killian's have upped the > world's Ted-count to the tune of three... > > You be honoured with some special title at this year's Ted-awards, during > Ted-Awareness Week... > > :o) > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 18:40:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28769; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:40:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:40:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021213233943.93312.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:39:43 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Robert Fripp & Big Muff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003501c2a2f8$2744bac0$ad2a5a0c@u73x0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This interview supports Cino's eyewitness account: -t- --- Cino wrote: > Frip... >...stripped-down pedalboard included a > wah-wah pedal and an Electro-Harmonix "Big Muff Pi." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 20:50:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06002; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:43:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:43:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c2a313$8bad6d20$ba4d510c@anon> From: "alex millar" To: Subject: buy this. Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:52:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gear sale: 1) Roland VP 9000 w/ maxed out ram. includes manuals, v-producer software, sample cd disk, and zip disk with demo and tutorials. $330 + 15 to ship. You insure. 2) Alesis DM Pro drum machine - all manuals, power supply, and software. $202 + 10 to ship. You insure. 3) Tascam US 224 DAW surface - all manuals and software, USB cable, and original packaging. $190 + 10 shipping. You insure. All three items are virtually unused. I am selling them because I don't and won't use them. My loss will be your gain. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 21:17:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08991; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:14:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:14:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:12:02 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: SV: Mac G4 midi software question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DFA9372.F6CC1245@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <001201c2a08a$6e007550$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Resent-Message-ID: <4sd0OB.A.ZMC.cQp-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, that sure does sound like an advertisment for Apple! Damn! I have an intire host of Video, graphics and audio apps on my G4 (and previously on a G3 and before that a 604) and other than the occaisional incompatable extension (easily remedied with new extension set) Anyway, I do all these things on my machine. Sure, I have to keep my hard drive defraged and run a hard drive utility every now and then, but I can do it all on one machine. Now that's a cost savings. Mark Sottilaro Per Boysen wrote: > > > Från: Chris Roberts [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] > > > I'm not a Mac-person, myself, but I worked at Apple for a > > year in the 'ProMedia' group, and I can vouch for the > > brainshare in the OS X audio group... > > That's nice to hear! I'd like to buy a new Mac in a year or two if there > will be a new product line of Apple machines with faster processors (to > be able to continue working with Logic). After leaving my old Atari in > -94 I went Mac since there were no alternatives back then. In -98 I > bought my first Windows box and now I'm using mainly PCs on WinXP. It's > true that you can get a lot more CPU power and bang for the buck along > the pc road but you really have to put some serious efforts into > learning about the parts of your machine. Not every motherboard on the > market is doing fine with every processor. The bottom line is that you > will probably run into trouble if you buy a PC for audio use right off > the shell. If you want a strong and stable PC you have to pick the parts > and also maintain the system in a good way. I keep separate, bootable, > system partitions (hidden from each other) and never install any > software other than the audio applications into the studio partition. If > I want to use the Office Suite I reboot into that partition. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ________________ > www.boysen.se > www.fuzz.se > www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 21:43:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10308; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:40:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:40:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200212101847.NAA17141@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:33:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question with reaxtor Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 12/9/02 Kevin Goldsmith queried: >I heard that the 667 Mhz and 800 Mhz TiBooks had issues with performance >of audio apps because of cache issues. The cache was optimized for video >applications (throughput vs latency). This meant that if you had a >looping MAX patch or reverb or something that your performace was about >equal to the 400-500 Mhz TiBook. Anyone done any tests with the newest >TiBooks? Also, how bad is a high-end iBook vs a medium-end TiBook for >Max/Reaktor/DP3/Live? I've been thinking of getting an iBook for my live >and traveling sound use, but should I just save up for a TiBook >replacement for my TiBook 400 Mhz that is on loan? Kevin Ijust picked up a new 1ghz TiBook and Reaxtor is so much fun on this. The Granular programs that used to lock up on me now run at CPU rates of 14-15 and when I really push then make it up to 35... Patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 22:20:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14298; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:19:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:19:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looptalk@aol.com Message-ID: <104.2200fb5f.2b2bfd2a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:19:06 EST Subject: the guy who could mod a repeater string from a week ago or so To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_104.2200fb5f.2b2bfd2a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10577 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_104.2200fb5f.2b2bfd2a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did anyone follow up on the string regarding a guy who mods repeaters and makes them more quite. I called him and what he told me was the engineers who made the repeater, and other companies such as lexicon (vortex) create excess noise floor in their machines by the way they route the signal...he then went on to add how protools is inferior as well. OK this was way over my head, (and I'm fairly tall) but I believed him and was curious to hear from any you engineering types that may have spoke to him about this idea. I would like to know If Kim spoke to him and if any of the suggestions made sense to him. Could the EDP be wired better? This Guy had never opened an EDP up before to observe it's workings. --part1_104.2200fb5f.2b2bfd2a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did anyone follow up on the string regarding a guy who mods repeaters and makes them more quite.

I called him and what he told me was the engineers who made the repeater, and other companies such as lexicon (vortex) create excess noise floor in their machines by the way they route the signal...he then went on to add how protools is inferior as well.

OK this was way over my head, (and I'm fairly tall) but I believed him and was curious to hear from any you engineering types that may have spoke to him about this idea. I would like to know If Kim spoke to him and if any of the suggestions made sense to him. Could the EDP be wired better? This Guy had never opened an EDP up before to observe it's workings.
--part1_104.2200fb5f.2b2bfd2a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 23:54:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21366; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 23:51:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 23:51:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <66.2b8d1cd0.2b2c12a9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 23:50:49 EST Subject: Re: event: Sound/Shift Oakland (California) Jan 10/11 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_66.2b8d1cd0.2b2c12a9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_66.2b8d1cd0.2b2c12a9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/02 8:49:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes: > this event is organized by Matt Davignon matt.....you da man!!!!.....michael --part1_66.2b8d1cd0.2b2c12a9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/02 8:49:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes:


this event is organized by Matt Davignon


matt.....you da man!!!!.....michael
--part1_66.2b8d1cd0.2b2c12a9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 00:18:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24389; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:16:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:16:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <14f.18c2ca62.2b2c188d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:15:57 EST Subject: Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14f.18c2ca62.2b2c188d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_14f.18c2ca62.2b2c188d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/13/02 4:30:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > ill check out the behringers i supposed they=B4re > cheaper as well... but better? >=20 but better?.....dear l.a., if you were sitting across the table from me, i=20 would piss you off by asking every other sentence, "pardon, what did you=20 say?"......but better? i dont know, thats why i put it out there as a=20 question.....its gettin weird for me, i love "tone", but im going deaf, my=20 family wants to kill me at times, "dad, turn it down", "i ask for the bread=20 not the butter".....for a long time, i wanted it all "loud and fast" now i=20 just need it "loud".....unless beringers really "suck" ijdk, id say go for=20 the larger less expensive unit.....but my beliefs become more suspect each=20 and every day.....:).....michael=20 --part1_14f.18c2ca62.2b2c188d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/13/= 02 4:30:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, laab2000us@yahoo.com writes:


ill check out the behringers i=20= supposed they=B4re
cheaper as well... but better?


but better?.....dear l.a., if you were sitting across the table from me, i w= ould piss you off by asking every other sentence, "pardon, what did you say?= "......but better? i dont know, thats why i put it out there as a question..= ...its gettin weird for me, i love "tone", but im going deaf, my family want= s to kill me at times, "dad, turn it down", "i ask for the bread not the but= ter".....for a long time, i wanted it all "loud and fast" now i just need it= "loud".....unless beringers really "suck" ijdk, id say go for the larger le= ss expensive unit.....but my beliefs become more suspect each and every day.= ....:).....michael
--part1_14f.18c2ca62.2b2c188d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 00:21:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25036; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:21:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:21:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:20:57 EST Subject: Re: In need of help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ae.336e4c89.2b2c19b9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ae.336e4c89.2b2c19b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/13/02 11:08:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > Heck, other than my son and my father I hardly KNOW any other Teds. > > well hell ted!......you guys took 3 teds out of circulation just in your family alone, you greedy "ted piggies".....just try being a.....michael --part1_ae.336e4c89.2b2c19b9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/13/02 11:08:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


Heck, other than my son and my father I hardly KNOW any other Teds.



well hell ted!......you guys took 3 teds out of circulation just in your family alone, you greedy "ted piggies".....just try being a.....michael
--part1_ae.336e4c89.2b2c19b9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 04:51:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17138; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:49:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:49:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021214094851.73058.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 01:48:51 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: the guy who could mod a repeater string from a week ago or so To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <104.2200fb5f.2b2bfd2a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I find the EDP very quiet actually, unless i ve gotten used to the noisy repeater and going deaf! L.a > Did anyone follow up on the string regarding a guy > who mods repeaters and > makes them more quite. > > I called him and what he told me was the engineers > who made the repeater, and > other companies such as lexicon (vortex) create > excess noise floor in their > machines by the way they route the signal...he then > went on to add how > protools is inferior as well. > > OK this was way over my head, (and I'm fairly tall) > but I believed him and > was curious to hear from any you engineering types > that may have spoke to him > about this idea. I would like to know If Kim spoke > to him and if any of the > suggestions made sense to him. Could the EDP be > wired better? This Guy had > never opened an EDP up before to observe it's > workings. > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 04:52:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17015; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:46:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:46:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021214094624.71785.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 01:46:24 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <14f.18c2ca62.2b2c188d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mike, I was told by a friend to stay away from behringer mixers i have never owned a Mixer so this is a new thang for me.I really don´t care about a brand as long as it doesn´t color my tone.Are you happy with yours? say what would be the difference between that and something like the Rane rackmount line mixer?Isn´t that more like a patchbay? some only have volume knobs no efx loops, returns, xlrs inputs etc. its not clear to me why they are considered mixers Thanx bro L.a > > but better?.....dear l.a., if you were sitting > across the table from me, i > would piss you off by asking every other sentence, > "pardon, what did you > say?"......but better? i dont know, thats why i put > it out there as a > question.....its gettin weird for me, i love "tone", > but im going deaf, my > family wants to kill me at times, "dad, turn it > down", "i ask for the bread > not the butter".....for a long time, i wanted it all > "loud and fast" now i > just need it "loud".....unless beringers really > "suck" ijdk, id say go for > the larger less expensive unit.....but my beliefs > become more suspect each > and every day.....:).....michael > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 05:00:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19057; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:59:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:59:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021214095853.8989.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 01:58:53 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: In need of help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021213221215.53446.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Ted, here is a Link of equipment configs. maybe it will help: http://www.guitargeek.com/ cheers L.a > know exactly how this > > works but ill give it a try. Anyways, i have been > saving and buying and > > saving and buying for 2 years now to get some > really good equipment for a > > guitar rack. I'm finally where i want to be, but > the only problem is wiring > > the thing. I'm a rookie at this and since this is > such a complex rig im > > sure ill learn more than enough after its all > wired. Well' if anyone could > > help me by drawing up a diagram or some kinda > schematic it would be great!!! > > So i'll list all my equipment for whoever can > try and help me out. > > Thanks, Ted! > > I'm sure Jim will give you good advice offline, but > if you post a list of your > gear you'll probably get several different ideas. I > did that awhile back and got > enough different opinions to throughly confuse me, > so I went back and did what I > should have done to start with...experimented, to > figure out what -I- liked. BUT > the good thing was that I had a bunch of different > ideas to work with, some of > which I woudn't have thought of myself. > > Or better yet...send me all your gear. I'll use it > for a few months and return it > to you all wired up. That's my personal favorite! > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 05:20:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20215; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 05:20:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 05:20:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021214101935.81335.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:19:35 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Behringer Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Emile! How are you powering your signal are you using active speakers? > I have the Eurouack 2642 $400, 16 channels in > plus extra returns, > six sends, sounds great. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 05:24:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20454; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 05:23:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 05:23:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021214102303.87390.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:23:03 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000901c2a2de$43122fe0$7e322697@server> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luigi thanks I am doing some research before i go shopping; are you using active speakers with it or do you have a separate power amp? L.a > Hi Louie. I currently use an Eurorack 2004 in my > guitar rack (mainly with my > loopers and fx) and a DDX3216 (Behringer digital > mixer) in my studio(for > recording along with an RME Digiface). > I love their sound. Now Behringer has created a new > line of Euroracks (don't > remember the name but you can find them on Behringer > web site) that are just > like the old ones, but contain as a bonus feature a > 24 bit Virtualizer fx > processor inside. I think I'll try one of them,too. > > Peace > Luigi > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 06:08:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23952; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 06:07:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 06:07:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie --> mixer Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:07:25 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001401c2a360$fbb869b0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20021214094624.71785.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id GAA23931 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] > I was told by a friend to stay away from behringer > mixers i have never owned a Mixer so this is a new > thang for me. Hi Louie, I was also given this advice from some experienced pro users, they said a Behringer won't last as long as a Mackie. But they are so cheap so I bought one anyway for my looping rig. Thought I could as well buy another one if it should break down; you know you can find Behringers in any store if this should happen while traveling. Mine is a cute Eurorack MX 1604A and I mounted it on top of a Gator rack where I also keep a repeater, an EDP, a guitar pre-amp, a mic pre-amp (for saxophone and vocals), a Lexicon reverb and a stereo compressor on the output to keep levels right before going to the PA stage box/recorder. Although the tape in-put stopped working after a week I like this mixer and find my set-up very flexible. Using three channels for the repeater, one for the EDP, one for guitar input and one for sax/mic input, I'm getting two channels left to bring other sound sources into the looping rack. The reverb is in the mixer effect send/return loop, there are two sends on each channel so I'm only using one so far. Both loopers get their input signal from the "Alt 3-4" output. This button is on every mixer channel and I can simply push it to send the signal to the recording loopers. For my needs this little Behringer is ok. It has the inputs, outputs and routing possibilties I was looking for. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 06:37:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA25473; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 06:36:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 06:36:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021214113620.12760.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 03:36:20 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: SV: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie --> mixer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001401c2a360$fbb869b0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanxs a million for the advice Per! I can´t wait to get one to start xperimenting.Do you use drum machines in sync with the EDP and repeater as well?This is another field i want to get more into sice i love to have rythm in the loops. I ve grown tired of the sounds of my long time companion DR660 i like more organic sounds so i am thinking of getting a small groove box to sync cool drum wavs. to them.But there are so many of them!This can be done of course with the repeater as well but syncronizing the EDP and repeater loaded with drum loops is not very easy and not as flexible i guess... Anyway Where in the signal chain do you have your drum machine?Do you have anything plugged in the Fxs insert of the repeater to color the signal or do you do it via the mixer? > > Hi Louie, > > I was also given this advice from some experienced > pro users, they said > a Behringer won't last as long as a Mackie. But they > are so cheap so I > bought one anyway for my looping rig. Thought I > could as well buy > another one if it should break down; you know you > can find Behringers in > any store if this should happen while traveling. > Mine is a cute Eurorack > MX 1604A and I mounted it on top of a Gator rack > where I also keep a > repeater, an EDP, a guitar pre-amp, a mic pre-amp > (for saxophone and > vocals), a Lexicon reverb and a stereo compressor on > the output to keep > levels right before going to the PA stage > box/recorder. Although the > tape in-put stopped working after a week I like this > mixer and find my > set-up very flexible. Using three channels for the > repeater, one for the > EDP, one for guitar input and one for sax/mic input, > I'm getting two > channels left to bring other sound sources into the > looping rack. The > reverb is in the mixer effect send/return loop, > there are two sends on > each channel so I'm only using one so far. Both > loopers get their input > signal from the "Alt 3-4" output. This button is on > every mixer channel > and I can simply push it to send the signal to the > recording loopers. > > For my needs this little Behringer is ok. It has the > inputs, outputs and > routing possibilties I was looking for. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ________________ > www.boysen.se > www.fuzz.se > www.upsweden.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 07:16:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28981; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 07:15:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 07:15:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <195.123ad49a.2b2c7ae8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 07:15:36 EST Subject: Re:Re: Behringer Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I have the Eurouack 2642 $400, 16 channels in > > plus extra returns, > > six sends, sounds great. plus you can use the 2 stereo sub groups as stereo sends. ...and there's 4 extra stereo inputs, 5 if you count the 2track return. and direct outs( + inserts) for 8 of the inputs Total overkill to use this for looping :-) best thing is you can reconfigure the setup order of all your devices on the fly without unplugging I used it last weekend to mix 10 people mostly with a number of 'instruments' enough inputs to do that and put a jamMan in an aux for looping the vocals. ....and sounded good too worst thing is to then get a rack system with the mixer on top and find it's too heavy to move .....................................duh! andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 08:43:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03224; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:43:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:43:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c2a376$d2e3ad40$38322697@server> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <20021214102303.87390.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:43:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use mainly powered speakers... Alesis bi-amplified near-field monitors in studio (But I have also used for a long time Tannoy passive with a yamaha studio power-amp with similar results) and Mackie 450's live. I usually prefer active (and bi-ampli or tri-amplified ones) since they have the internal power-amps coupled to the speakers (I mean as power) so there are less problems with distortion etc... I also use a Behringer compressor (the composer) between the mixer outs and the speaker inputs (just as a limiter, to avoid peaks). Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louie Angulo" To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie > > Luigi thanks > I am doing some research before i go shopping; are you > using active speakers with it or do you have a > separate power amp? > L.a > > > > > Hi Louie. I currently use an Eurorack 2004 in my > > guitar rack (mainly with my > > loopers and fx) and a DDX3216 (Behringer digital > > mixer) in my studio(for > > recording along with an RME Digiface). > > I love their sound. Now Behringer has created a new > > line of Euroracks (don't > > remember the name but you can find them on Behringer > > web site) that are just > > like the old ones, but contain as a bonus feature a > > 24 bit Virtualizer fx > > processor inside. I think I'll try one of them,too. > > > > Peace > > Luigi > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 10:59:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14620; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:58:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:58:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DFB54A9.8040504@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:56:25 +0100 From: "o.malhomme" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: fr-fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: line 6 echo pro References: <200212121616.LAA29274@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I understood from this recent thread that these beasties are going out low these last times. I'd like to ask fellow loopers here two things: one that goes on topic: what is the experience of the people here with one as far as ovreall sounds and possibilities first, and second, as far as lopping in concerned, and second: if anyone has an address, a phone number of wherever I can find one dirt cheap (remeber I live in France, the "go to see your local Mars Music store" isn't going to work). Subsidiairy question: how the power line works ? can you switch 110 to 220 V ? is it an external power suppply ? Thanks in advance Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 11:43:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19986; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:42:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:42:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SV: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie --> mixer Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 17:42:23 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001c01c2a38f$c71e2e90$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20021214113620.12760.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA19960 Resent-Message-ID: <2yBrqD.A.M4E.z91-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] > Thanxs a million for the advice Per! > I can´t wait to get one to start xperimenting.Do you > use drum machines in sync with the EDP and repeater as > well?This is another field i want to get more into sice i > love to have rythm in the loops. I ve grown tired of the > sounds of my long time companion DR660 i like more organic > sounds so i am thinking of getting a small groove box to > sync cool drum wavs. to them.But there are so many of > them!This can be done of course with the repeater as well but > syncronizing the EDP and repeater loaded with drum loops is > not very easy and not as flexible i guess... Anyway Where in > the signal chain do you have your drum machine?Do you have > anything plugged in the Fxs insert of the repeater to color > the signal or do you do it via the mixer? Hi Louie, I've tried drum machines but found it not "organic" enough for my taste (I own a MC303 and my brother has a 505). I'm more interested in making ambient music or building percussive patterns with my musical instruments so the audience can easily see what's going on. I don't like loading drum patterns into the Repeater either, since I want to improvise everything. There should be now "composition" in mind when entering the stage and no "overdubbing" done afterwards, that's how I like it ;-) That's why I always empty the memories of Repeater and EDP twice - once before I start playing and then immediately after finishing a piece. I'm using the Repeaters FX chain for two separate outputs in parallel with the main left/right output. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 14:01:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01022; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:59:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:59:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011a01c2a3a3$3538b220$f091ef18@earthlink.net> From: "Sarth" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA2C@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: where is the looper in this picture? Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:01:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0117_01C2A379.4C0EBDC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C2A379.4C0EBDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [looper's] RE: where is the looper in this picture?Whoah, hey, how = do you do that? the evolutions are modified so that a volume pedal can be plugged = straight in the back, and the onboard volume control then adjusts the = upper limit of the pedal, returning to it's normal function when the = pedal is unplugged. why oh why aren't they like this when you buy them? = god knows it's simple enough...... duncan/r.m.i.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C2A379.4C0EBDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [looper's] RE: where is the looper in this = picture?
Whoah, hey, how do you do = that?

the evolutions are = modified so that a=20 volume pedal can be plugged straight in the back, and the onboard = volume=20 control then adjusts the upper limit of the pedal, returning to it's = normal=20 function when the pedal is unplugged. why oh why aren't they like this = when=20 you buy them? god knows it's simple enough......

duncan/r.m.i.

------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C2A379.4C0EBDC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 14:21:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02565; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:20:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:20:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021214101935.81335.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021214101935.81335.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:12:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Behringer Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:19 AM -0800 12/14/02, Louie Angulo wrote: >Thanks Emile! >How are you powering your signal are you using active >speakers? > >> I have the Eurouack 2642 $400, 16 channels in >> plus extra returns, > > six sends, sounds great. >> > Louie Its my basement studio setup -- the 2642 is larger than I would want for a performance system, and the output goes through a stereo amp to studio monitors -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 14:24:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02850; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:23:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:23:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6c.272f3848.2b2cdf30@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:23:28 EST Subject: Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6c.272f3848.2b2cdf30_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6c.272f3848.2b2cdf30_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/14/02 4:47:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > I was told by a friend to stay away from behringer seems some folk on the list not only use but like the behringer stuff, the rane stuff, i know nothing about.....i use a mackie 1202 vlz but like i said, i out grew it very quickly and im thinking of getting a behringer to supplement it, so much for downsizing!.....michael --part1_6c.272f3848.2b2cdf30_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/14/02 4:47:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, laab2000us@yahoo.com writes:


I was told by a friend to stay away from behringer


seems some folk on the list not only use but like the behringer stuff, the rane stuff, i know nothing about.....i use a mackie 1202 vlz but like i said, i out grew it very quickly and im thinking of getting a behringer to supplement it, so much for downsizing!.....michael
--part1_6c.272f3848.2b2cdf30_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 15:08:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06899; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:03:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:03:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:00:07 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Robert Fripp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DFB8DC7.E2939BFE@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021211053651.87199.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did fall in love with that almost synth like square wave that Frip uses and I found that the Big Muff was good, but really noisy. Ibanez tube screamer (why did I get rid of my original!?) did it for me. Later, I moved to a Digitech 2120 and never quite got that sound, but close. I also found that an old Korg AX-30 multieffect stomp box did it *great* as well as having a sweet ring modulator. I don't know about the Fernandez Sustainer, but I find the Sustainiac system to be very useful, though not quite the e-Bow sound. More natural and mellow sounding, but very useful none the less. Needs practice of your string muting technique though, and you'll probably end up having to do some routing, unless you've got a guitar with a big electronics cavity. Mark Sottilaro Chris Richards wrote: > > > e-bow-less sound that eno introduced him to, and > therefore probably deeply secret. I think fripp > has a tiny e-bow built into the palm of his hand, > meself. > > Nowadays, of course, Fripp has that Fernades Les > Paul copy (actually, a couple of them, at least, > I think) with the Sustainer built in, so > "infinite" sustain is no problem. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 16:49:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15541; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:47:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:47:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c2a3ba$8b3758e0$162b5a0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <20021213233943.93312.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Robert Fripp & Big Muff Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:48:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Tim Nelson" wrote: > This interview supports Cino's eyewitness account: > > --- Cino wrote: > > Frip... > >...stripped-down pedalboard included a > > wah-wah pedal and an Electro-Harmonix "Big Muff Pi." Thanks for the nice link, Tim! I'd had a few beers at each of those shows over 20 years ago and I was wondering if not only Mr. Fripp's tone, but also my memory, was fuzzy . . . ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 16:53:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15469; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:46:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:46:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.158.64.247] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Robert Fripp Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:46:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2002 21:46:04.0181 (UTC) FILETIME=[336CD450:01C2A3BA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the "foxy lady" fuzz box that Fripp used was the precursor to the EH Big Muff? FYI, I found a few sites about his older gear that were kind of interesting. http://www.danbbs.dk/~m-bohn/fripp/ http://www.tonosity.com/Detail/Player.aspx?Player_ID=196 http://www.tonyvisconti.com/faq/bowie.htm (the ebow myth) Cheers Lou >From: Mark >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Robert Fripp >Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:00:07 -0800 > >I did fall in love with that almost synth like square wave that Frip >uses and I found that the Big Muff was good, but really noisy. Ibanez >tube screamer (why did I get rid of my original!?) did it for me. >Later, I moved to a Digitech 2120 and never quite got that sound, but >close. I also found that an old Korg AX-30 multieffect stomp box did it >*great* as well as having a sweet ring modulator. > >I don't know about the Fernandez Sustainer, but I find the Sustainiac >system to be very useful, though not quite the e-Bow sound. More >natural and mellow sounding, but very useful none the less. Needs >practice of your string muting technique though, and you'll probably end >up having to do some routing, unless you've got a guitar with a big >electronics cavity. > >Mark Sottilaro > > > >Chris Richards wrote: > > > > > > e-bow-less sound that eno introduced him to, and > > therefore probably deeply secret. I think fripp > > has a tiny e-bow built into the palm of his hand, > > meself. > > > > Nowadays, of course, Fripp has that Fernades Les > > Paul copy (actually, a couple of them, at least, > > I think) with the Sustainer built in, so > > "infinite" sustain is no problem. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 18:42:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23249; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:38:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:38:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.62.100.124] From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Re: Behringer Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:37:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2002 23:37:32.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5D99440:01C2A3C9] Resent-Message-ID: <-YYzsB.A.LrF.JE8-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was going to throw one in a SKB DJ shuttle or Mini Gig rig. Is this a "too heavy" set up? > > >Eurouack 2642 >worst thing is to then get a rack system with the >mixer on top and find it's too heavy to move >.....................................duh! _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 19:13:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25810; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:10:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:10:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009b01c2a3ce$b47a4e60$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Ben Grossman with Pype Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:12:50 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's time for the last Ping performance of 2002 and it's *almost* a "seasonal" show with hurdy gurdy man Ben Grossman joining with Pype on the pipes for an electroacoustic meltdown. The Ambient Ping will be closed on December 24th & 31st, reopening on January 7th 2003. Best wishes to all for the Holiday Season and the New Year from Jamie T, rik and myself... Scott M2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday December 17th - Ben Grossman with Pype Ben is an eclectic performer, composer and sound designer whose work can be heard on over 50 CDs, on films and television and in theatre performances. Ben's been involved in ambient music since he was a wee lad tinkering with synths in his parents' suburban basement. 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Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 20:19:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30859; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:17:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:17:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021214184318.0260ba08@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:24:35 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Duke Sexton Subject: Re: Behringer (was: SV: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie --> mixer) In-Reply-To: <001401c2a360$fbb869b0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> References: <20021214094624.71785.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA30838 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:07 PM 12/14/2002 +0100, Per Boysen wrote: > > Från: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] > > > I was told by a friend to stay away from behringer > > mixers i have never owned a Mixer so this is a new > > thang for me. > >I was also given this advice from some experienced pro users, they said >a Behringer won't last as long as a Mackie. But they are so cheap so I >bought one anyway for my looping rig. I also watched a couple of "experienced pro" friends have a fit when it came out that I picked up a pair of Behringer Truth monitors for my studio. And, like you, I hit 'em back with the counter argument that I could buy the Behringer's three times over again for what I would have paid for a pair of Genelec's, while still maintaining a high standard of sound quality. After I began to probe their objections a bit further, it came out that the real concern they held against the company was that there's this perception Behringer takes innovations upon which other companies have already done the R&D, then brings out cloned products for a fraction of the price. That argument seemed somewhat less disconcerting to me, since many decent companies have specialized as much in price innovation as they have engineering innovation (tell me: would you rather pay $40,000 for an Akai ADAM, or $4,000 for an Alesis ADAT?). It also seemed rather hypocritical on their part, since a couple of them were extremely vocal advocates for some of those other companies. Overall, I think there are some Behringer products which don't sound as good as the originals after which they were modelled. However, there are some products which really do shine, even if they only cost a third of what you might otherwise pay. To be certain, their competitors don't like being undercut so badly, and have put an awful lot of FUD out there to counter. Don't pay any attention to it. Rather, do some research, ask around, and, in the end, trust your own judgment as to whether the Behringer gear will really get the job done for you. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 20:41:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32133; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:39:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:39:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c2a3da$ca7ea290$3e57c350@p4> From: "d.swain" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:39:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2A3DA.CA5D5EF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1IHNFC.A._1H.Q19-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2A3DA.CA5D5EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have any information on this ? 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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2A3DA.CA5D5EF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 20:53:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00433; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:51:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:51:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:51:14 -0500 Subject: sony dat spdif transfer request for help. From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Sony Portable DAT recorder PCM-M1 which I bought with the required RMR-D100 digital I/O converter and remote control unit. To this day, I've never been able to get any sp/dif talking going on between the recorder and my Motu 828. should be fairly simple.... Does anyone else use this combination? or know a suitable sony person to talk to? I'm clean out of ideas and have just gotten so frustrated as to bag on it everytime and go analog... thanks in advance for the help... todd reynolds From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 22:09:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05706; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:07:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:07:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021215030644.95767.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:06:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001301c2a3da$ca7ea290$3e57c350@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not much, but: and are pretty interesting... -t- --- "d.swain" wrote: > Does anyone have any information on this ? > Im particulary interested in the scale length, > electroinics and amps / fx used __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 00:03:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11615; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:54:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:54:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <199.1247a015.2b2d6512@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:54:42 EST Subject: Re: Behringer (was: SV: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie -->... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_199.1247a015.2b2d6512_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_199.1247a015.2b2d6512_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/14/02 8:16:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, catilyne@icicle.net writes: > do some research, ask > around, and, in the end, trust your own judgment there it is in a nutshell.....michael --part1_199.1247a015.2b2d6512_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/14/02 8:16:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, catilyne@icicle.net writes:


do some research, ask
around, and, in the end, trust your own judgment


there it is in a nutshell.....michael
--part1_199.1247a015.2b2d6512_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 00:38:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14557; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:37:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:37:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:31:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re:Re: Behringer Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1LST5D.A.WjD.iUB_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:37 PM -0500 12/14/02, Nick Schillace wrote: >I was going to throw one in a SKB DJ shuttle or Mini Gig rig. Is >this a "too heavy" set up? > >> > >Eurouack 2642 >>worst thing is to then get a rack system with the >>mixer on top and find it's too heavy to move >>.....................................duh! > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail I'm not familiar with your rig, but most likely it is -- I sure wouldn't want to carry one around. Behringer makes a line of smaller mixers that I've seen a lot of people use. If I played music out (lately I only do video out), I would get one -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. 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Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 00:52:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14916; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:45:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: PMC 10 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:49:23 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <0RGdNC.A.-oD.UcB_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody know where I can buy a Digitech PMC 10???? -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 02:31:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21907; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 02:22:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 02:22:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: vst loop plugin Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:15:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com great ideas, richard. sounds like you've got a bit of a combination of ableton's live and the little plug we're working on. the biggest limitations designing (and using) applications intended for live use, in my experience, is in designing the input/control interaction with the user. i personally dislike using the mouse for live performance... it just seems to slow/inefficient. with a keyboard or midi inteface, one hand can control many functions simultaneously and quickly. the trick then is to come up with a small, but deep, enough set of controls and have them tied to an interface with enough visual feedback to make the abstract controls meaningful and familiar. and, of course, you want to design something that is practical enough to implement. so what controls do you keep? which are the most fun to work with live? i'm hearing the following features: - input monitors - visual overview of samples - loop marker creation - loop marker manipulation (sliding, changing length) - independent loop start/end point manipulation (almost the same as the last) - multiple loops (only doing one per instance right now) - keyboard loop triggering w/optional quantized trigger (this is almost in there already, only via midi though) - loop sequencing any other ideas from you guys? by the way, a lot of what you're talking about will be immediately available with the combined use of a v-stack/console like application and several instances of the plug we're building spread out on multiple effects slots. nothing is stopping you from having multiple instances of 'looper' going simultaneously. i'm really excited about these new vst effects shell apps. good chance that they'll be extremely helpful to those of us who do live stuff via laptops. paul > From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] > > I usually "perform" on signal processors, with input coming from > recordings or other players, as opposed to playing an instrument and > capturing loops of what I've played. I'd like a user interface that > lets me have a visual overview of the sound material and which will > give me quick access to editing and signal routing. Therefore I'd > like to be able to record multiple audio inputs into buffers that can > be either fully independent or linked together as two-channel or > multichannel recordings. Then I'd like to be able to loop sections of > these recordings either by "dropping" markers or by drag-selecting > segments. > > Once I've defined one or more loops I'd like to be able to slide them > around, either by dragging with the mouse or by assigning a MIDI > controller. I'd want to control the start and end points of the loops > either independently or as a pair, so I could dynamically change the > length of a loop or so I could slide it back and forth through the > recorded material. It would be good to be able to do this with more > than one loop simultaneously. > > It should be possible to define multiple loops within a recording and > to assign the selection of these loops to a graphic or physical > controller such as a MIDI or QWERTY keyboard. Jumping from one loop > to another should be optionally either instant or queueable, so that > each loop would play completely through before switching to the next. > > A refinement of this loop sequencing system would be to save > sequences as presets that could then be triggered. This would allow > the creation of multi-loop phrases. > > The user interface for this stuff could be complicated to design, but > I'd like it to reflect graphically the "objectness" of the loops and > loop sequences. > > >ALSO... we still need two or three more people to help us with our vst > >plugin. anybody else want to help test/play with an early version of the > >above concept? > > Sign me up. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 02:38:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22487; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 02:33:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 02:33:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: vst loop plugin Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:26:23 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001701c2a09c$265cbf30$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry everyone, for not responding sooner. my mail provider has been having severe mail problems... many emails have been completely lost. if you haven't gotten any mail from me and want to, please try again. thanks! > The fact that the looper is a VST plug-in is very cool, since > you can then use it with your favorite host application, on stage as > well as in the studio. yup, that's the idea! > I would like all features to be fully controllable even when the host > application is running in recording mode. This would be the perfect > set-up to make live recordings of improvised loop music, as the host app > will be recording at the same time (1) audio and the parameters > controlling the VST loop plug-in; (2) midi clock/tempo and (3) midi > controllers from the foot pedal board. so i understand what you're saying... you would like to be able to record ALL the input you're getting to the plugin and sequencer and then have this automatically looped back on repeat? currently we haven't thought of actually recording any received midi signals, but that is a possibility... it definitely adds a great deal of complexity, but would be very interesting. > The interesting question IMHO is what happens after you have run out of > PC ram? Will the VST looper re-allocate memory? Will the oldest loop be > deleted to make room for another top layer? Or will the computer crash? our first implementation has a fixed sample length, so unless you have very little available memory to begin with you can't really run out. of course, you can always try and run out of memory... however you want. ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 03:38:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25901; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 03:34:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 03:34:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:31:28 -0800 From: Mark Subject: LiSa? Re: vst loop plugin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DFC3DE0.C1603C82@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Years ago I played with a demo of a program called LiSa by Steim. (http://www.steim.nl/products.html) It seemed to have most of the functions that Richard spoke of, and it seemed to run pretty well on a Macintosh 7500. I loaded "Danke Schoen" into the RAM buffer, and made different parts of the song into loops. I don't remember if it allowed you to move loop points in real time, but I remember it being very powerful and intuitive. I used the demo (no save) to do a techno remix of Danke Schoen. It ended up sounding so evil I loved it! During the production, it crashed my machine, but still remained functional via midi even though the cursor was frozen. Not a bad crash at all. Mark Sottilaro Paul Weissman wrote: > > great ideas, richard. sounds like you've got a bit of a combination of > ableton's live and the little plug we're working on. > > the biggest limitations designing (and using) applications intended for live > use, in my experience, is in designing the input/control interaction with > the user. i personally dislike using the mouse for live performance... it > just seems to slow/inefficient. with a keyboard or midi inteface, one hand > can control many functions simultaneously and quickly. the trick then is to > come up with a small, but deep, enough set of controls and have them tied to > an interface with enough visual feedback to make the abstract controls > meaningful and familiar. > > and, of course, you want to design something that is practical enough to > implement. so what controls do you keep? which are the most fun to work > with live? > > i'm hearing the following features: > - input monitors > - visual overview of samples > - loop marker creation > - loop marker manipulation (sliding, changing length) > - independent loop start/end point manipulation (almost the same as the > last) > - multiple loops (only doing one per instance right now) > - keyboard loop triggering w/optional quantized trigger > (this is almost in there already, only via midi though) > - loop sequencing > > any other ideas from you guys? > > by the way, a lot of what you're talking about will be immediately available > with the combined use of a v-stack/console like application and several > instances of the plug we're building spread out on multiple effects slots. > nothing is stopping you from having multiple instances of 'looper' going > simultaneously. > > i'm really excited about these new vst effects shell apps. good chance that > they'll be extremely helpful to those of us who do live stuff via laptops. > > paul > > > From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] > > > > I usually "perform" on signal processors, with input coming from > > recordings or other players, as opposed to playing an instrument and > > capturing loops of what I've played. I'd like a user interface that > > lets me have a visual overview of the sound material and which will > > give me quick access to editing and signal routing. Therefore I'd > > like to be able to record multiple audio inputs into buffers that can > > be either fully independent or linked together as two-channel or > > multichannel recordings. Then I'd like to be able to loop sections of > > these recordings either by "dropping" markers or by drag-selecting > > segments. > > > > Once I've defined one or more loops I'd like to be able to slide them > > around, either by dragging with the mouse or by assigning a MIDI > > controller. I'd want to control the start and end points of the loops > > either independently or as a pair, so I could dynamically change the > > length of a loop or so I could slide it back and forth through the > > recorded material. It would be good to be able to do this with more > > than one loop simultaneously. > > > > It should be possible to define multiple loops within a recording and > > to assign the selection of these loops to a graphic or physical > > controller such as a MIDI or QWERTY keyboard. Jumping from one loop > > to another should be optionally either instant or queueable, so that > > each loop would play completely through before switching to the next. > > > > A refinement of this loop sequencing system would be to save > > sequences as presets that could then be triggered. This would allow > > the creation of multi-loop phrases. > > > > The user interface for this stuff could be complicated to design, but > > I'd like it to reflect graphically the "objectness" of the loops and > > loop sequences. > > > > >ALSO... we still need two or three more people to help us with our vst > > >plugin. anybody else want to help test/play with an early version of the > > >above concept? > > > > Sign me up. > > -- > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Richard Zvonar, PhD > > (818) 788-2202 > > http://www.zvonar.com > > http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 04:28:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01103; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 04:27:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 04:27:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DFC4A57.4050107@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:24:39 +0100 From: "o.malhomme" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: fr-fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fripp Fuzz References: <200212150141.UAA32247@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would recommand two cheap alternatives to emulate such a sound: 1) the old ibanez OD9 overdrive which is as it names implies (not!) not at all an overdrive but a fuzz. It sounds great. The notes have this quality with it that sound sound like they "inflate" after attack.... Great thing. Found it @ 8 bucks. 2) the fuzz model of the Behringer Vamp. Sounds killer when you bypass any Speaker simulation, and then work on the Eq to dampen a little the high frequencies. Closer to this modern Fripp sound (aka since Thrak) More Hi Fi. A little more piercing too, if I may say so. Olivier Malhomme PS: ermmmm any adress welcome for the echo pro... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 05:15:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03962; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 05:14:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 05:14:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <12c.1dbec85a.2b2db006@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 05:14:30 EST Subject: Re:Re: Behringer Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I was going to throw one in a SKB DJ shuttle or Mini Gig rig. Is this a "too > > heavy" set up? > > > > >Eurouack 2642 > >worst thing is to then get a rack system with the > >mixer on top and find it's too heavy to move > >.....................................duh! Well I got a 12u semi-flight rack (SKB, i think). Once you get a load of FX in it it's a 2 person job to lift. Also, when you put the front and back on it's somewhat more bulky than you'd expect. Remember, rack units with built in PSU are heavy, and the rest have a wall wart. Unless you want to make up a special mains power distribution for the rack you'll also have the weight of plugboards. None of the items involved are particularly heavy on their own, but it all adds up. At the moment the "big rack" stays home, where it's very useful (as it has castors, I can move the mixer into the best position for monitoring very easily), but live I'm using an 8u Quickrack which is just a light metal frame. (and been using the mixer unpackaged) A lot depends on whether you have a van, help with lifting, or whether you keep your gear in a upstairs room. (me...no van...no help...upstairs) I don't know the size of the stuff you're considering, but you definately want to keep it as small as possible. If you're using the 2642 for sane stuff, rather than exploiting it's potential for re-routing a whole bunch of FX and Loopers then I'd expect you can work out something practical. The 2642 plus 2 or 3 rack units in a box would be manageable. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 06:41:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09447; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 06:39:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 06:39:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021215113923.62191.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 03:39:23 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: PMC 10 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would also be interested in one they are definetly the best foot controllers ever.I regret selling mine but on the other hand it crashed on me a few times is this common by the PMC10s? wrote: > > Anybody know where I can buy a Digitech PMC 10???? > > -Arthur Lee > > www.arthurleemusic.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 08:41:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16681; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:33:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:33:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021215133311.7462.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 05:33:11 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3DFB54A9.8040504@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great unit, overdub,reverse,half speed,tap tempo, stereo(although the loops are mono i think) and great vintage delays (if you are not very picky about authencity).Everything is MIDI programmable (but be carefull you have to give one digit higher and i still haven´t figure out how i can programm the bypass switch effectively!)You can sync the delays to a drum machine etc.It seems very sturdy and it looks like christmas when you turn it on! it is also very quiet but i have to turn the output all the way to the right to get the desire gain.Anyway i highly recomend it great for studio work as well for the money you can´t ask for more! cheers L.a > I understood from this recent thread that these > beasties are going out > low these last times. > I'd like to ask fellow loopers here two things: one > that goes on topic: > what is the experience of the people here with one > as far as ovreall > sounds and possibilities first, and second, as far > as lopping in > concerned, and second: if anyone has an address, a > phone number of > wherever I can find one dirt cheap (remeber I live > in France, the "go to > see your local Mars Music store" isn't going to > work). > > Subsidiairy question: how the power line works ? can > you switch 110 to > 220 V ? is it an external power suppply ? > > Thanks in advance > > > Olivier Malhomme > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 09:42:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20989; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:41:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:41:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.134.51.186] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:34:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2002 14:34:20.0211 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DDE7030:01C2A447] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi David Elliott was nice enough to let me try his eight sting a few years back. He is a very cool guy! Doug Henderson built the 8 string. He was the guy who also made Elliott’s double neck guitar & Zeena Parkins’s electric harp, I don't remember the scale but at the time the bass strings were turned to E&B. I believe it was a maple guitar with an ebony fingerboard, 3 Bartolini Jbass pickups & there was no tone control. I had a real nice feel & wish my NS Stick would have been as good. The last few times I have seen Elliott play he was using a Boss GT3, whammy petal & a boomerang loop box. He also had a powerbook & I think it was running MAX. Cheers Lou >From: "d.swain" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" >Subject: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar >Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:39:21 -0000 > >Does anyone have any information on this ? >Im particulary interested in the scale length, electroinics and amps / fx >used > >David Swain > >d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk >www.onelessthannone.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 10:00:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21620; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:54:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:54:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c2a448$74e069e0$8e83abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <001301c2a3da$ca7ea290$3e57c350@p4> Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:44:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have played Elliott's 8string when I was in ny with him. The spacing between the strings is fairly narrow, say like a klein/steinberger, if not narrower. Pick ups are bartolini for bass and it has just one output. He uses a Boss gt5 as main processor, a line 6 looper and a 2nd edition whammy. He goes in a fender twin or a bass amp. Sometimes he puts a mouse pad on the body to control the Max plug in of his Mac. The tuning is regular, the two added strings are below the low E string in steps of 4ths. My first reaction when I embraced her has been: wow ! and now how do I play this ? His (very long) fingers move as an octopus on that fingerboard! luca ------------------------------ www.unguitar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "d.swain" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:39 AM Subject: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar Does anyone have any information on this ? Im particulary interested in the scale length, electroinics and amps / fx used David Swain d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk www.onelessthannone.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 12:07:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31690; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:01:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:01:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.74.112.46] From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:56:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2002 16:56:10.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE23DF60:01C2A45A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I don't know the size of the stuff you're considering, >but you definately want to keep it as small as possible. >If you're using the 2642 for sane stuff, rather than exploiting >it's potential for re-routing a whole bunch of FX and Loopers >then I'd expect you can work out something practical. >The 2642 plus 2 or 3 rack units in a box would be manageable. Thanks. To elaborate a bit: I was going to rack an EDP/Echo Pro/Filter Factory/ and 1 or 2 other FX eventually (anyone use the MPX 200?). The 2642 just seems to be a great unit for expansion. I only need 4 channels (2 for gtr, 1 for the EDP and one for a boomrang), but I think it may be the only 6 aux Behringer and its only $250 now. Plus, I thought it was only a 7 space rack (if musicians friend is correct).I'd like to use the DJ shuttle but I don't think that unit leaves cable space like the gig rigs, so it's not really 8 usable spaces on top. Until recentely I have split my signal with a boss line selector to the two loopers and then to a couple of fenders. This is my big move to not only a rack, but also the utilization of a mixer. I'd love to know if anyone uses a mixer that might work and not be so heavy (and rackable). This list has revolutionized my musical life over the past couple of years. This is just another occasion where I have been considering gear and all of a sudden a thread on said unit starts. I don't say it enough or chime in, but thanks to all, this is a great voyeur list! Nick Schillace _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 12:21:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32545; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:20:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:20:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:08:45 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro In-reply-to: <20021215133311.7462.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021215133311.7462.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:33 AM -0800 12/15/02, Louie Angulo wrote: >Everything is MIDI programmable (but be >carefull you have to give one digit higher Could you give more detail? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 12:53:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02067; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:52:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:52:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021215175239.39960.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:52:39 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: mixers in a loop rig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c2a376$d2e3ad40$38322697@server> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0WClnD.A.Ng.oFM_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My biggest complaint with trying to use a mixer in my looping rig (as opposed to daisy-chaining effects) is that everything I use is stereo, and I haven't encountered any mixers that had stereo aux sends. So you have to use two effects sends, and alternate the channels. That means you can't turn something up in the send to an effects unit (like a reverb) without turning two knobs. Does anyone know of a mixer with stereo input channels and stereo efx sends? Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 13:43:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05757; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:42:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:42:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:42:55 -0500 Subject: Re: vst loop plugin From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would love to support any beta-testing efforts... i'm an Ableton Live user as well.. best, todd On 12/15/02 2:15 AM, "Paul Weissman" wrote: > > great ideas, richard. sounds like you've got a bit of a combination of > ableton's live and the little plug we're working on. > > the biggest limitations designing (and using) applications intended for live > use, in my experience, is in designing the input/control interaction with > the user. i personally dislike using the mouse for live performance... it > just seems to slow/inefficient. with a keyboard or midi inteface, one hand > can control many functions simultaneously and quickly. the trick then is to > come up with a small, but deep, enough set of controls and have them tied to > an interface with enough visual feedback to make the abstract controls > meaningful and familiar. > > and, of course, you want to design something that is practical enough to > implement. so what controls do you keep? which are the most fun to work > with live? > > i'm hearing the following features: > - input monitors > - visual overview of samples > - loop marker creation > - loop marker manipulation (sliding, changing length) > - independent loop start/end point manipulation (almost the same as the > last) > - multiple loops (only doing one per instance right now) > - keyboard loop triggering w/optional quantized trigger > (this is almost in there already, only via midi though) > - loop sequencing > > any other ideas from you guys? > > by the way, a lot of what you're talking about will be immediately available > with the combined use of a v-stack/console like application and several > instances of the plug we're building spread out on multiple effects slots. > nothing is stopping you from having multiple instances of 'looper' going > simultaneously. > > i'm really excited about these new vst effects shell apps. good chance that > they'll be extremely helpful to those of us who do live stuff via laptops. > > paul > > > >> From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] >> >> I usually "perform" on signal processors, with input coming from >> recordings or other players, as opposed to playing an instrument and >> capturing loops of what I've played. I'd like a user interface that >> lets me have a visual overview of the sound material and which will >> give me quick access to editing and signal routing. Therefore I'd >> like to be able to record multiple audio inputs into buffers that can >> be either fully independent or linked together as two-channel or >> multichannel recordings. Then I'd like to be able to loop sections of >> these recordings either by "dropping" markers or by drag-selecting >> segments. >> >> Once I've defined one or more loops I'd like to be able to slide them >> around, either by dragging with the mouse or by assigning a MIDI >> controller. I'd want to control the start and end points of the loops >> either independently or as a pair, so I could dynamically change the >> length of a loop or so I could slide it back and forth through the >> recorded material. It would be good to be able to do this with more >> than one loop simultaneously. >> >> It should be possible to define multiple loops within a recording and >> to assign the selection of these loops to a graphic or physical >> controller such as a MIDI or QWERTY keyboard. Jumping from one loop >> to another should be optionally either instant or queueable, so that >> each loop would play completely through before switching to the next. >> >> A refinement of this loop sequencing system would be to save >> sequences as presets that could then be triggered. This would allow >> the creation of multi-loop phrases. >> >> The user interface for this stuff could be complicated to design, but >> I'd like it to reflect graphically the "objectness" of the loops and >> loop sequences. >> >>> ALSO... we still need two or three more people to help us with our vst >>> plugin. anybody else want to help test/play with an early version of the >>> above concept? >> >> Sign me up. >> -- >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Richard Zvonar, PhD >> (818) 788-2202 >> http://www.zvonar.com >> http://RZCybernetics.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 13:58:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06429; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:58:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:58:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c2a46b$e69b0450$3e57c350@p4> From: "d.swain" To: References: Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:58:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C2A46B.E6726DB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C2A46B.E6726DB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Tim and Lou, i'm finding it really hard to find any info on = Elliot's 8 string. Scale length wise it loks a little longer than a standard guitar. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Louis Rossi" To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:34 PM Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar > Hi David >=20 > Elliott was nice enough to let me try his eight sting a few years = back. He=20 > is a very cool guy! > Doug Henderson built the 8 string. He was the guy who also made = Elliott's=20 > double neck guitar & Zeena Parkins's electric harp, I don't remember = the=20 > scale but at the time the bass strings were turned to E&B. I believe = it was=20 > a maple guitar with an ebony fingerboard, 3 Bartolini Jbass pickups & = there=20 > was no tone control. I had a real nice feel & wish my NS Stick would = have=20 > been as good. The last few times I have seen Elliott play he was using = a=20 > Boss GT3, whammy petal & a boomerang loop box. He also had a powerbook = & I=20 > think it was running MAX. > Cheers > Lou >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > >From: "d.swain" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" = > >Subject: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar > >Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:39:21 -0000 > > > >Does anyone have any information on this ? > >Im particulary interested in the scale length, electroinics and amps = / fx=20 > >used > > > >David Swain > > > >d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk > >www.onelessthannone.co.uk >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*.=20 > http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/virus >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C2A46B.E6726DB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Tim and Lou, i'm finding it = really hard to=20 find any info on Elliot's 8 string.
Scale length wise it loks a little = longer than a=20 standard guitar.
 
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> Elliott was nice enough to let = me try his=20 eight sting a few years back. He
> is a very cool guy!
> = Doug=20 Henderson built the 8 string. He was the guy who also made Elliott's =
>=20 double neck guitar & Zeena Parkins's electric harp, I don't remember = the=20
> scale but at the time the bass strings were turned to = E&B.  I=20 believe it was
> a maple guitar with an ebony fingerboard, 3 = Bartolini=20 Jbass pickups & there
> was no tone control. I had a real = nice feel=20 & wish my NS Stick would have
> been as good. The last few = times I=20 have seen Elliott play he was using a
> Boss GT3, whammy petal = & a=20 boomerang loop box. He also had a powerbook & I
> think it = was=20 running MAX.
> Cheers
> Lou
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> >Im particulary interested in = the=20 scale length, electroinics and amps / fx
> >used
> = >
>=20 >David Swain
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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C2A46B.E6726DB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 14:06:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08225; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:06:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:06:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:00:24 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: vst loop plugin In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:15 PM -0800 12/14/02, Paul Weissman wrote: >great ideas, richard. sounds like you've got a bit of a combination of >ableton's live and the little plug we're working on. I've looked at Live but haven't worked with it. Most of my suggestions come from things I've either done with a variety of systems or are things I've wished I could do. For instance, the "windowing" effect of sliding start and end points around is something I've done with Max control over a pair of TC2290 delays. The same program allowed saving of presets on the fly. >i personally dislike using the mouse for live performance... it >just seems to slow/inefficient. Some tasks are appropriate for the mouse. For instance, my TC2290 controller allows quick and easy selection of a time point without having to either pre-assign a time value to a key or without having to slide through intermediate values. For example, suppose I'm looping a portion of a captured recording by setting start and end points (and further, suppose that the end point is linked to start point so that the "window" has a constant length). I can then jump from one time point to another with the click of a mouse: From here: [..................................................] ^----------------^ to here: [..................................................] ^----------------^ I could save each of these into a preset memory and then later recall them quickly. This is what I did on "Two in the Hand": http://thompsonresidence.com/audio/wsh/2001/02_zvonar.mp3 >i'm hearing the following features: >- input monitors >- visual overview of samples >- loop marker creation >- loop marker manipulation (sliding, changing length) >- independent loop start/end point manipulation (almost the same as the >last) >- multiple loops (only doing one per instance right now) >- keyboard loop triggering w/optional quantized trigger > (this is almost in there already, only via midi though) >- loop sequencing The creation and manipulation of the loop markers are the interesting parts. I've usually implemented an assortment of interrelated methods for setting and controlling these parameters: 1) graphic time line that can be clicked on with a mouse, 2) numeric value that can be directly entered from the computer keyboard, 3) MIDI continuous controller addressing each value. It's possible to introduce automation into this scheme, as I've sometimes done. For instance, a time point can be controlled by an LFO or other function. I've sometimes even used a random number generator to move a delay tap around, either jumping wildly trough the entire delay range or jiggling around in the neighborhood of a particular time point. I was doing most of this stuff about 10 years ago when my main looping device was the TC2290. Most of the time I was restricted to just a single channel, though in one collaborative project I had use of a second one that belonged to by partner. There's a necessary tradeoff that happens when you start adding channels, so you may choose to limit the variety of control methods used per channel. Let's suppose you're able to wrap your brain around a dozen parameters at once. You could do a lot a fancy manipulation of a single loop or you could do a simpler range of manipulations to four of them at once. Where do you want to put the complexity? BTW - Much of what I was doing with Max and the TC2290s can be done quite easily with a computer system such as Max/MSP or Kyma. Carl Stone is doing some marvelous things with Max/MSP and a lot of this is available on CD or on his Web site . Check out "Flints." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 14:10:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08200; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:06:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:06:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:31:27 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: vst loop plugin In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:26 PM -0800 12/14/02, Paul Weissman wrote: >so i understand what you're saying... you would like to be able to record >ALL the input you're getting to the plugin and sequencer and then have this >automatically looped back on repeat? currently we haven't thought of >actually recording any received midi signals, but that is a possibility... >it definitely adds a great deal of complexity, but would be very >interesting. It would be useful for the looper to be able to recording incoming MIDI data, and for these data to be editable while it is playing. The recorded data should be optionally locked to the audio recordings or independent. For example, suppose you have a MIDI controller that regulates the loop playback tempo. You may want to use this to create a regular tempo fluctuation within the looping phrase, starting out at a steady tempo and the performing a ritardando during the second half of the phrase. Then you may want to shorten the audio loop by a couple of beats but keep the tempo fluctuation the same so that the tempo changes are applied progressively to different portions of the loop as it cycles. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 14:14:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08971; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:14:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:14:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:06:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:56 AM -0500 12/15/02, Nick Schillace wrote: >>I don't know the size of the stuff you're considering, >>but you definately want to keep it as small as possible. >>If you're using the 2642 for sane stuff, rather than exploiting >>it's potential for re-routing a whole bunch of FX and Loopers >>then I'd expect you can work out something practical. >>The 2642 plus 2 or 3 rack units in a box would be manageable. > >Thanks. To elaborate a bit: > >I was going to rack an EDP/Echo Pro/Filter Factory/ and 1 or 2 other >FX eventually (anyone use the MPX 200?). > >The 2642 just seems to be a great unit for expansion. I only need 4 >channels (2 for gtr, 1 for the EDP and one for a boomrang), but I >think it may be the only 6 aux Behringer and its only $250 now. >Plus, I thought it was only a 7 space rack (if musicians friend is >correct). Its 14 inches high, which I think works out to 9 spaces. Weight according to the spec is 6 kg. -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 14:19:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08948; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:14:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:14:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <12c.1dbec85a.2b2db006@aol.com> References: <12c.1dbec85a.2b2db006@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:01:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: -:) Re:Re: Behringer Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2DeF6D.A.uLC.FSN_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >If you're using the 2642 for sane stuff, Sane stuff -- this must be the wrong list-:) -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 14:21:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09652; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:21:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:21:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021215192058.58120.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:20:58 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1gBMY.A.tWC.5YN_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Richard, you have to give one digit higher in the foot controller for example if i want patch 10 on the Echo pro i have to give an 11 in my MIDI pedal same deal if you want to send ccs.The rest of my equipment is normal and it took me a while to figure it out since i am not a Midi wizard.I don´t really understand it because in the manual PCs and CCs are listed from 0 to 127. Cheers L.a > > >Everything is MIDI programmable (but be > >carefull you have to give one digit higher > > Could you give more detail? > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 15:08:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14297; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:07:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:07:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <033701c2a475$690bb8e0$1f645cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <20021213092851.61697.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Behringer Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:06:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" > I have the Eurouack 2642 $400, 16 channels in plus extra returns, > six sends, sounds great. I bought mine in 2001 at that price, too. It's now selling for $250!!!! A friend told me about it. He liked using mine and was quite surprised to find it at the new, lower price. BTW, that's 8 mic ins plus four stereo channels, for those not in the know on that one. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 15:58:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17144; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:55:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:55:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c2a47c$524133e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: Subject: OT: Simplification -> stuff for sale!! Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:55:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang! I've made the move to simplifying my entire setup, and therefore I have the following stuff up for sale. I'm posting here because a lot of this stuff might appeal to the LD community. JPG pics are available upon request. Please contact me offlist if you are interested in any of these things. I'll wait until the middle of next week before I venture into the badlands of eBay. These prices do not include shipping/insurance. I'm willing to ship USPS or UPS, your preference. ========== Roland GR-1 Guitar Synth w/ expanded memory card and 13 pin cable - $200 Includes the SR-GR1-01 expanded sound library, bringing the total memory to 6MB, and doubling the available tones. Includes GR1 manual, power supply, and 30 foot 13-pin cable. Fripp still uses this one because of it's beautiful tones and flexibility. Roland GK-2A guitar synth pickup - $100 Designed for all of the GR series guitar synths, as well as the VG stuff. Perfect working condition. Includes mounting bracket for no-impact mounting of the GK-2A controller on your guitar. Also includes pickup mounting screws and springs for permanent pickup mount. I do not have the 2 sided tape for temporary installs, but you can get some at your local hardware store. Buy the GR-1 and the GK-2A - $250 Lexicon Vortex w/ power supply and manual - $100 The Vortex is a digital sound processor capable of phase, flange, chorus, tremolo, pan and vibrato effects with an analogue type sound. It is also a 2sec echo/looper or a dual 1sec echo. It can combine these effects in a number of ways. But.... setting up any two of these sounds you can blend seamlessly from one to another by a process known as morphing, and you can do this with footpedal control. Boss RPS-10 and RDD-20 in single space rack shelf w/ power supply - $200 The Boss RPS-10 is the well known delay, reverse delay and pitch shifter. Used by Adrian Belew to deliver his signature reverse guitar sound. The RDD-20 is lesser known, but also a beautiful tone monster. Regular and modulated delays, with tone controls that effect the echoes. This combo includes a Boss PSA 120T power supply and a daisy chain cable to link power from one box to the next. Tube Works Blue Tube preamp/overdrive pedal - $100 Warm things up with a 12AX7 tube and full tone controls (Hi, Mid, Low, Output and Drive). Very quiet and warm. Can go from clean tube to blues breakup and crunch. Perfect way to warm up a solid state rig. Electro Harmonix Small Clone Reissue w/ power supply and original wooden box - $40 You know this one. Considered by some to be the very best stompbox chorus available. Note that this comes with the proper EH power supply. Hughes & Kettner Jekyll & Hyde Overdrive/Distortion w/ One Spot power supply - $120 2 channel overdrive/disto stompbox. Jekyll channel sounds like the original TS808 and even uses the JRC4558 op-amp. Hyde channel goes from blues to metal and everything in between. EQ knob on Hyde changes from a flat EQ to a wild scooped mids sound, while the Sharp/Blunt switch allows you to get a very bright or more compressed sound. Sweet. Danelectro Free Speech Inline Talkbox - $50 Recently purchased and only used once for recording. Tube thoroughly cleaned with isopropyl alcohol! The Free Speech is an *inline* talkbox, so the sound shaped by your mouth is returned to your normal signal path, and sent to your normal amplifier. No need to an extra amp, or an extra microphone and PA. Amazing sounds out of this little bugger!! SKB 8 Space Roto Rack - $100 Like brand new. Removable front lid and back panel for easy access. Rackable Mount Depth: 17 3/4", Lid Depth: 2 1/4", Max. Int. Width: 17 3/4", Max. Int. Height: 15", Exterior Dimensions: 22" W, 21 3/4" D, 16 7/8" H, Weight: 13.5 lbs. Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Footswitch (EFC-7) - $80 Perfect condition. Just don't need it any more - I've gone MIDI for control. Boss PW-10 COSM Wah w/ Boss power supply - $100 I love this thing, but I'm letting it go because it's covered in my GT-6. This powerful pedal gives guitarists and bassists instant access to six classic and modern wah sounds, plus all-new "Voice" and "Double Resonance" modes which have never appeared in a wah pedal before. The V-Wah also includes onboard overdrive/booster effects, user memory and noise-free infrared pedal detection. 3 user memory locations allow players to store their favorite wah settings for quick recall via the heel pedal switch. Eight different kinds of built-in overdrive effects including BOSS classics such as the OD-1 OverDrive, OD-2 Turbo OverDrive, MT-2 Metal Zone, DS-1 Distortion, BD-2 Blues Driver, as well as special "Muff Fuzz," "Guv Dist" and Booster modes. Morley ABY Boxes (2 of them) - $30 each Passive ABY splitter box, with options for A only, B only, or A and B. Not a tone sucker at all, very small and thin, but extremely sturdy build. =========== Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 16:13:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19386; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:11:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:11:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021215211157.17865.qmail@web80105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:11:57 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: stuff I'm selling To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1548947922-1039986717=:16899" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1548947922-1039986717=:16899 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Blackbox Oxygen $155 exc Fuzz Factory $160 chipped paint Alesis Wedge $95 mint Yamaha DG100 212 $550 mint Ibanez STL $80 good Boss HR-2 Harmonist $75 good --0-1548947922-1039986717=:16899 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Blackbox Oxygen $155 exc
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--0-1548947922-1039986717=:16899-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 17:18:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24278; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:17:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:17:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:17:55 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro In-reply-to: <20021215192058.58120.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <20021215192058.58120.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA24254 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:20 AM -0800 12/15/02, Louie Angulo wrote: >you have to give one digit higher in the foot controller for example >if i want patch 10 on the Echo pro i have to give an 11 in my MIDI >pedal same deal if >you want to send ccs.The rest of my equipment is normal and it took >me a while to figure it out since i am not a Midi wizard.I don¥t >really understand it >because in the manual PCs and CCs are listed from 0 to 127. This is a common problem caused by the attempts of some manufacturers to make their equipment more user friendly (while actually making interfacing more confusing). In the real world of MIDI data, program changes range from 0 to 127 in decimal numbers, (this is the same as 00 to 7F in hexadecimal or 0000000 to 1111111 in binary numbers). Most humans prefer to count starting at 1 rather than 0, so these "helpful" manufacturers add 1 to the program numbers that the user sees in the interface. But not all manufacturers do this, so there can often be a mismatch between the user interfaces of two connected devices. If a controller is set up to send the "correct" MIDI program change message, then it will transmit program change "1" when you press the button that has been programmed to send program change "1". However, one of the "helpfully designed" controller devices will send out a program change of "0" when you press the button that you think has been programmed to send program change "1." This is OK as long as the receiving device has a similarly deceptive user interface. On the receiving en, devices that have been designed to display the "correct" MIDI program change will always have memory banks number starting at 0 and will load presets with the same number as the actual program change number they are receiving. I assume you are using the Behringer FCB1010. If you send out what "looks like" a program change message of "11" and you are recalling program "10" on the Line6 then this is due to Beringer being "helpful" in their design will Line6 is being "correct" in theirs. Check this out: http://www.patchwizard.com/pw_mig_FCB1010.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 17:18:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24256; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:17:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:17:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:03:21 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: features for looper In-reply-to: <000201c2a45c$e9c14860$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: dennis@mail.worldserver.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <000201c2a45c$e9c14860$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:10 PM -0500 12/15/02, wrote: >Have you looked at the Looper Construction Kit manual? What you've >described is well within the capabilities of the LCK. This looks like a comprehensive system. I agree that the processing and control functions I've described are well covered. I've had the utmost respect for Kyma, and its creators Carla and Kurt, ever since I first got a demonstration from Carla at the ICMC at Banff in 1995. Somehow there has always been some reason I haven't taken the plunge, whether in was some earlier functional shortcomings (such as lack of compositional structuring or multichannel I/O - both long since fixed) or simply the lack of the price of admission ($3K and up). I have no doubt that sonically and functionally LCK is an "ultimate" looping environment, and it has the additional benefit of having ready access to all of Kyma's other sound generating and processing capabilities. The area where it doesn't address my utopian vision of an ideal sound capture and live manipulation environment is in the visual interface. My orientation is very much visual and I'm wishing for a sort of sonic fingerpainting environment. If I were playing an instrument into a looping device and then performing control functions with a pedal board it would be different, but I want to perform live the type of editing and processing that I can do on a digital workstation such as Pro Tools and the like. There are a few of these functions that can be done with the visual UI that I'm describing. GRM Tools has a "Freeze" plug-ing that alows you to drag-select a region of a scrolling waveform display and to put that region into looping mode. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 17:52:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26671; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:48:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:48:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021215224824.28246.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:48:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: OT: Guitar Collectors List? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know of any good mailing lists/discussion groups specifically for guitar collectors? I'm not so interested in the usual Gibson/Fender/Martin stuff (about which there's LOTS of information readily available), but would like to learn more about some of the oddball '60's imports. I'll be thinning out my herd, and a few of my instruments appear to be rare-ish, so any info I can glean will be welcome. Thanks, -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 18:04:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29157; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:03:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:03:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:03:40 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: Simplification -> stuff for sale!! From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c2a47c$524133e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 12/15/02 12:55 PM, Doug Cox at dougcox@pdq.net wrote: > Boss RPS-10 and RDD-20 in single space rack shelf w/ power supply - $200 > The Boss RPS-10 is the well known delay, reverse delay and pitch shifter. > Used by Adrian Belew to deliver his signature reverse guitar sound. The > RDD-20 is lesser known, but also a beautiful tone monster. Regular and > modulated delays, with tone controls that effect the echoes. This combo > includes a Boss PSA 120T power supply and a daisy chain cable to link power > from one box to the next. One other note to people looking at this combo, my version of it used an RDD-10 and an RSD-10 (sampling delay). I stuck my volume pedal in between the two for some nice effects where the RDD-10 could build a lot of density that could then be faded into the longer delay. I can't comment on the RPS-10. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 18:04:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28812; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:01:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:01:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:01:08 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: Simplification -> stuff for sale!! From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c2a47c$524133e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 12/15/02 12:55 PM, Doug Cox at dougcox@pdq.net wrote: > The > RDD-20 is lesser known, but also a beautiful tone monster. Regular and > modulated delays, with tone controls that effect the echoes. I think you mean the RDD-10, but I'll agree that it's a very nice little box. It overloads in interesting ways as well when you crank the feedback and tone controls. But I've already got one so I'm afraid I'm not buying yours. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 18:09:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30307; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:09:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:09:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:09:12 -0800 Subject: Re: mixers in a loop rig From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021215175239.39960.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, please. A stereo oriented mixer would be a real blessing. Mark on 12/15/02 9:52 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > My biggest complaint with trying to use a mixer in my looping rig (as opposed > to > daisy-chaining effects) is that everything I use is stereo, and I haven't > encountered any mixers that had stereo aux sends. So you have to use two > effects > sends, and alternate the channels. That means you can't turn something up in > the > send to an effects unit (like a reverb) without turning two knobs. > > Does anyone know of a mixer with stereo input channels and stereo efx sends? > > Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 18:26:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31815; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:25:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:25:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c2a491$36c9c040$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: Simplification -> stuff for sale!! Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:25:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, actually I *do* mean the RDD-20. I'm not sure of the evolution of these boxes, but I can confirm that mine is an RDD-20, not an RDD-10. Sounds like they are very similar. I can't find much formal info on the RDD-20, but there's a bit more on the RDD-10. Thanks for the comments! Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: Re: OT: Simplification -> stuff for sale!! > on 12/15/02 12:55 PM, Doug Cox at dougcox@pdq.net wrote: > > > The > > RDD-20 is lesser known, but also a beautiful tone monster. Regular and > > modulated delays, with tone controls that effect the echoes. > > I think you mean the RDD-10, but I'll agree that it's a very nice little > box. It overloads in interesting ways as well when you crank the feedback > and tone controls. But I've already got one so I'm afraid I'm not buying > yours. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 18:33:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32575; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:32:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:32:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:32:18 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: Simplification -> stuff for sale!! From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay. I just found a reference to an RDD-20 which I take it is a memory expanded version of the RDD-10. Mark on 12/15/02 3:01 PM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote: > on 12/15/02 12:55 PM, Doug Cox at dougcox@pdq.net wrote: > >> The >> RDD-20 is lesser known, but also a beautiful tone monster. Regular and >> modulated delays, with tone controls that effect the echoes. > > I think you mean the RDD-10, but I'll agree that it's a very nice little > box. It overloads in interesting ways as well when you crank the feedback > and tone controls. But I've already got one so I'm afraid I'm not buying > yours. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 21:18:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13120; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:16:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:16:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.2aaf5ff1.2b2e9148@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:15:36 EST Subject: NJ Gig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Adelante" (duo format) Paul Mimlitsch-Guitar/Loops and Textures J. Jody Janetta-Fretless Bass/Percussion Friday 12/20 8:00pm to 10:00pm The Deep End Cafe 75 So. Union Street Lambertville, NJ (609)773-0380 Adelante: http://members.aol.com/jodanpaul/adelante.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ----------------------- Headers --------------------- >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 21:24:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13697; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:22:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:22:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021215200855.03a02008@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:30:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Duke Sexton Subject: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:56 AM 12/15/2002 -0500, Nick Schillace wrote: >The 2642 just seems to be a great unit for expansion. I only need 4 >channels (2 for gtr, 1 for the EDP and one for a boomrang), but I think it >may be the only 6 aux Behringer and its only $250 now. Plus, I thought it >was only a 7 space rack (if musicians friend is correct).I'd like to use >the DJ shuttle but I don't think that unit leaves cable space like the gig >rigs, so it's not really 8 usable spaces on top. In addition to SKB, check out the cases made by Gator (http://www.gatorcases.com). They're a direct competitor to SKB, and have comparable products with slightly different configurations. One of their DJ Consoles may offer you enough cable space, but take a look for yourself and see. I just picked up one of the Gator 12-space racks, rather than an SKB. Price was actually a bit lower than the SKB, but the deciding factor for me was the fact that the Gator has rear rails on it (not so on the SKB's). Thus, I don't have to waste my front rack spaces on items I don't actually touch after setup, like my quad DI box and dedicated EQ unit. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 22:05:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17220; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:00:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:00:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021215183752.022f9ce0@mail.mindspring.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:01:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: PMC 10 In-Reply-To: <20021215113923.62191.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got two. They both will crash doing MIDI dumps if I've used more than so many bytes of memory - but luckily they will accept MIDI dumps of my setups at this point, so modifications are done on the PC and then dumped back to the PMC10. At some point they lock up while accepting dumps if the dump is too large. One of my mine handles expression pedals better than the other but it also has a tendency to lose its patches (the battery probably needs to be replaced). They show up on ebay but the last two PMC10 auctions I've seen insanely went for around $500! At 03:39 AM 2002/12/15, Louie Angulo wrote: >I would also be interested in one they are definetly >the best foot controllers ever.I regret selling mine >but on the other hand it crashed on me a few times is >this common by the PMC10s? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 23:15:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21736; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:14:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:14:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: NEW LIVE GIG MP3 Download Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:13:13 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [vsbiglist] RE: SV: Re: Dynamics in recorded music Thread-Index: AcKkqK8Fo4gIYnFZRfq5C/yk5VimDAAEZiNA From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "VS Big List" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2002 04:13:13.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[73BCC010:01C2A4B9] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id XAA21715 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I Played another gig last night and this one was cool.well, I used a crate solid state combo amp, digitech rp-50 pedal,boomerang pedalboard and it was recorded in mono with one sm57beta mic using a Roland vs-880 (one track).You can check it out at: http://www.dtguitar.com/spoondec14.mp3 or just visit my webpage at http://www.dtguitar.com and there is a link. Cool, I will play 2 more shows at the venue before the year is out and then some in January. WEll, let me know what you think, alwys interesting to hear feedback as every show I play is different material and setups as the material is improvised. Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com Official release: Denis played a set at the Runciple Spoon, Bloomington, IN Saturday December 14th,2002. this small, Low Key venue which at times creates some of the best performances do to its small size and cozy interior. Denis played regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly at this venue. Denis played more atmospheric improvised compositions for this show. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 23:47:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23408; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:42:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:42:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Version 5.0.1-Jr1 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:42:03 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: [webcast/gig info] 12/17 "TOG in C.U.E." Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4bEGyD.A.qtF.hmV_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello LD, This is information of our series Internet broadcast live gig from Kobe,Japan. It called "Live from Far East". Vol.18 performance is 17th Dec. 2002 You can see our gig via Real Player. Please visit below: http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east or http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/broadcast "TOG in C.U.E." ELECTRO-ACOUSTIC NIGHT [performances] tog (from San Francisco/USA) http://www.tognet.org hypo (from France) http://membres.lycos.fr/hypo/ digital gonzales! (from LA/USA) http://www.calarts.edu/~bbreeck/home.html DARUIN + Sunao Inami + Machiko Kitagawa + Emi Makino + Hiromi Shirai (from Osaka&Kobe) http://www.cavestudio.com http://www.neus318.com http://member.nifty.ne.jp/SUSANOCLUB/ [visuals] vj m. flickering works by special [k]alarts [k]ids http://www.calarts.edu/schools/film/index.html 19:00 - 22:00 (JST) = 10:00 - 13:00 (GMT) = 2:00 - 5:00 (PST) = 5:00 - 8:00 (EST) The World Clock - Time Zones http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ Download flyer http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/flyer/1217_out_ver9.jpg ------ More Info and contacts: C.U.E. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue cue@cavestudio.org CAPHOUSE #314, 3-19-8 Yamamoto Dori, Chuo-ku Kobe,Japan 650-0003 Tel & Fax : +81 (0)78-241-9389 ------ Previous gig's photos available on "Flash Back" http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/flashback _____________________ Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 01:20:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30162; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:20:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:20:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c2a4cb$16510500$a31d7344@schererfamily> From: "Ted Scherer" To: References: <161.1881e793.2b2b5fc2@aol.com> Subject: Re: In need of help Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 00:19:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, i was wondering if u ever got to see my list of equipment. if not please let me know and ill type away. Thanks, Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 10:07 AM Subject: Re: In need of help > Hi Ted, > > In a message dated 12/13/02 1:08:15 AM, Ted82@charter.net writes: > > >Hi...I just subscribed to loopers and don't know exactly how this works > >but ill give it a try. Anyways, i have been saving and buying and saving > >and buying for 2 years now to get some really good equipment for a guitar > >rack. I'm finally where i want to be, but the only problem is wiring the > >thing. I'm a rookie at this and since this is such a complex rig im sure > >ill learn more than enough after its all wired. Well' if anyone could > >help me by drawing up a diagram or some kinda schematic it would > >be great!!! So i'll list all my equipment for whoever can try and help me > >out. Thanks, Ted! > > Gee, that seems weird for some reason. Not many other Teds on this list. > Heck, other than my son and my father I hardly KNOW any other Teds. > > Well, enough of that for now. I play guitar, I use a rack system (have > done so for over a dozen years now). A couple of years ago I expanded > from 12 spaces to 16 spaces. Can't claim to be a total expert but I figure > I have tried as many options as there are and have made all the mistakes > there are to make on the way to getting MY tone (so far as that goes). > > I don't know if I can help but fire away whenever you're ready with that > list. I bet a significant number of guitar geeks on the LD list will have all > sorts of good ideas for you. Tell us what you've got. I suppose if your > intended rack setup contains a looper of some sort somewhere in the > signal chain it won't be considered too "off topic" for this list. > > Best, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 01:51:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31636; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:48:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:48:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: mixers in a loop rig and OT: Behringer mixers Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:49:59 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c2a4cf$5a5cc550$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know I sometimes sound like an endorsee (and currently are confronted with a complete system failure of the bus/DSP structure of a brand new unit), but: Behringer DDX3216. These options (aux mono/stereo) are configurable. And you might be able to use the dedicated faders for the routing to the 16 busses (selectable pre/post) for related applications. While we're talking about Behringer mixers with regard to reliability issues: I've never had one of their mixers going down on me (apart from the forementioned DDX, which came defective from the start), but if it's true what "they" say about reliability in comparison to, say, a Mackie: I figure that system failure on a mixer is contacts or pots starting to go bad slowly. So a mixer which starts to act up strangely mid-performance is not a show stopper (question to you all: is this correct ?), as long as I do repair/replace it before the next show. The price ratio of a Behringer MX2642A to the roughly comparable Mackie 1642 VLZ Pro is 1:5. So I can simply buy two mixers and always swap them, and two years later (when the minimum warranty in Germany has ended) simply buy two more and still be better off compared to the mackie! Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] > Sent: Montag, 16. Dezember 2002 00:09 > To: Looper's Delight > Subject: Re: mixers in a loop rig > > > Yes, please. A stereo oriented mixer would be a real blessing. > > Mark > > on 12/15/02 9:52 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > > > My biggest complaint with trying to use a mixer in my > looping rig (as opposed > > to > > daisy-chaining effects) is that everything I use is stereo, > and I haven't > > encountered any mixers that had stereo aux sends. So you > have to use two > > effects > > sends, and alternate the channels. That means you can't > turn something up in > > the > > send to an effects unit (like a reverb) without turning two knobs. > > > > Does anyone know of a mixer with stereo input channels and > stereo efx sends? > > > > Greg > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 02:06:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01439; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 02:04:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 02:04:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c2a4d1$8cd848e0$1d322697@server> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021215200855.03a02008@icicle.net> Subject: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:05:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also you could try the Warwick Rockbox. All metal, with above the space for the mixers and in front 3 or 4 rack spaces. There are various models (related to almost any rack mixer model). Now I'm getting one for my digital mixer, soundcard and compressors. They look pretty resistant and don't weight a ton. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duke Sexton" To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:30 AM Subject: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options > At 11:56 AM 12/15/2002 -0500, Nick Schillace wrote: > > >The 2642 just seems to be a great unit for expansion. I only need 4 > >channels (2 for gtr, 1 for the EDP and one for a boomrang), but I think it > >may be the only 6 aux Behringer and its only $250 now. Plus, I thought it > >was only a 7 space rack (if musicians friend is correct).I'd like to use > >the DJ shuttle but I don't think that unit leaves cable space like the gig > >rigs, so it's not really 8 usable spaces on top. > > In addition to SKB, check out the cases made by Gator > (http://www.gatorcases.com). They're a direct competitor to SKB, and have > comparable products with slightly different configurations. One of their > DJ Consoles may offer you enough cable space, but take a look for yourself > and see. > > I just picked up one of the Gator 12-space racks, rather than an > SKB. Price was actually a bit lower than the SKB, but the deciding factor > for me was the fact that the Gator has rear rails on it (not so on the > SKB's). Thus, I don't have to waste my front rack spaces on items I don't > actually touch after setup, like my quad DI box and dedicated EQ unit. > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 02:28:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03539; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 02:26:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 02:26:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c2a4d4$784b0680$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <200212150141.UAA32247@hemlock.violacea.com> <3DFC4A57.4050107@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Fripp Fuzz Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 02:26:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop015.verizon.net from [68.160.11.220] at Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:26:18 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <45XGvD.A.J3.5AY_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try a Fuzz Factory. Like a hot date, it'll destroy you and you'll love it! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 03:39:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08185; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 03:20:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 03:20:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c2a4dc$764e5280$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <6a.2aaf5ff1.2b2e9148@aol.com> Subject: Re: NJ Gig Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:19:30 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com put forth: > "Adelante" (duo format) > Paul Mimlitsch-Guitar/Loops and Textures > J. Jody Janetta-Fretless Bass/Percussion > > Friday 12/20 > 8:00pm to 10:00pm > The Deep End Cafe > 75 So. Union Street > Lambertville, NJ > (609)773-0380 > > Adelante: > http://members.aol.com/jodanpaul/adelante.html > Cool stuff abounds! I remember Lambertville as being a nice little town. You can't swing a dead cat in New Jersey without hitting something to do with the Revolutionary War, you know. A search on the web reveals that they've got their on-line act together in Lambertville (lambertville.org) And a map too, which might be useful to some traveling to the show: http://www.nolegsneeded.com/a1lambertvilleai.html Have a great one! S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 03:55:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09985; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 03:52:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 03:52:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021216085153.93713.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 00:51:53 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: PMC 10 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021215183752.022f9ce0@mail.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can just imagine how i looked after months of programming the damn thing and all of the sudden it crashed before a gig.I was actually very happy when i sold it but no foot controller i´ve own so far does what the PMC 10 did.I am quite happy with my FCB 1010 (it seems to be reliable until know) if they it would do momentary toggle switch like the PMC10 it would be awsome.This is important when i mute tracks on the repeater, sometimes after doing so much tap dancing i can´t tell which one is muted or not.I wrote behringer about this and they told me if enough people request an O.S. upgrade they will do it. cu L.a --- Sean Echevarria wrote: > I've got two. They both will crash doing MIDI dumps > if I've used more than > so many bytes of memory - but luckily they will > accept MIDI dumps of my > setups at this point, so modifications are done on > the PC and then dumped > back to the PMC10. At some point they lock up while > accepting dumps if the > dump is too large. One of my mine handles > expression pedals better than > the other but it also has a tendency to lose its > patches (the battery > probably needs to be replaced). > > They show up on ebay but the last two PMC10 auctions > I've seen insanely > went for around $500! > > > At 03:39 AM 2002/12/15, Louie Angulo wrote: > >I would also be interested in one they are > definetly > >the best foot controllers ever.I regret selling > mine > >but on the other hand it crashed on me a few times > is > >this common by the PMC10s? > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 04:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12445; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:14:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:14:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021216091413.24127.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:14:13 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard thanx for the info mate! cheers L.a > At 11:20 AM -0800 12/15/02, Louie Angulo wrote: > > >you have to give one digit higher in the foot > controller for example > >if i want patch 10 on the Echo pro i have to give > an 11 in my MIDI > >pedal same deal if > >you want to send ccs.The rest of my equipment is > normal and it took > >me a while to figure it out since i am not a Midi > wizard.I don¥t > >really understand it > >because in the manual PCs and CCs are listed from 0 > to 127. > > This is a common problem caused by the attempts of > some manufacturers > to make their equipment more user friendly (while > actually making > interfacing more confusing). > > In the real world of MIDI data, program changes > range from 0 to 127 > in decimal numbers, (this is the same as 00 to 7F in > hexadecimal or > 0000000 to 1111111 in binary numbers). Most humans > prefer to count > starting at 1 rather than 0, so these "helpful" > manufacturers add 1 > to the program numbers that the user sees in the > interface. But not > all manufacturers do this, so there can often be a > mismatch between > the user interfaces of two connected devices. If a > controller is set > up to send the "correct" MIDI program change > message, then it will > transmit program change "1" when you press the > button that has been > programmed to send program change "1". However, one > of the "helpfully > designed" controller devices will send out a program > change of "0" > when you press the button that you think has been > programmed to send > program change "1." This is OK as long as the > receiving device has a > similarly deceptive user interface. > > On the receiving en, devices that have been designed > to display the > "correct" MIDI program change will always have > memory banks number > starting at 0 and will load presets with the same > number as the > actual program change number they are receiving. I > assume you are > using the Behringer FCB1010. If you send out what > "looks like" a > program change message of "11" and you are recalling > program "10" on > the Line6 then this is due to Beringer being > "helpful" in their > design will Line6 is being "correct" in theirs. > > Check this out: > > http://www.patchwizard.com/pw_mig_FCB1010.htm > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 07:59:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25866; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:54:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:54:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-18.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1040043266!26272 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA43@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] re: behringer desks etc. Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:48:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A501.64A991A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A501.64A991A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>I was also given this advice from some experienced pro users, they said a Behringer won't last as long as a Mackie.<<< I bought the 2802 (which looks almost the same as the 2642, rackmountable &= c but 2-buss and more inputs) when you still had to pay full price for thes= e things; about =A3700. I have never had a fault on it, nor any complaints = about it's sonic or build quality, and it's been bounced around and done a = few gigs..... it may aswell say "mackie" on it for all the difference betwe= en the brands. I have other bits of behringer stuff too. it will last longe= r than a soundcraft. anyway. today my adrenalinn arrived. have read the booklet. can't wait to get home = and run the fender VI through it. still waiting for 2 x simpletech 128Mb ca= rds and 2 x upgrade chips for our jam-men. the hell with christmas tv, I wa= nt to loop. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>>>I was also given this advice from some experi= enced pro users, they said
a Behringer won't last as long as a Mackie.<<<<= /FONT>

I bought the 2802 (which looks almost the same as the 264= 2, rackmountable &c but 2-buss and more inputs) when you still had to p= ay full price for these things; about =A3700. I have never had a fault on i= t, nor any complaints about it's sonic or build quality, and it's been boun= ced around and done a few gigs..... it may aswell say "mackie" on= it for all the difference between the brands. I have other bits of behring= er stuff too. it will last longer than a soundcraft.

anyway.

today my adrenalinn arrived. have read the booklet. can't= wait to get home and run the fender VI through it. still waiting for 2 x s= impletech 128Mb cards and 2 x upgrade chips for our jam-men. the hell with = christmas tv, I want to loop.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A501.64A991A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 08:15:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28754; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:14:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:14:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-20.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1040044453!26700 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA44@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [looper's] RE: keyboard/volume pedal mods Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:07:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A504.256E8F10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A504.256E8F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> Whoah, hey, how do you do that? the evolutions are modified so that a volume pedal can be plugged straight in the back, and the onboard volume control then adjusts the upper limit of the pedal, returning to it's normal function when the pedal is unplugged. why oh why aren't they like this when you buy them? god knows it's simple enough...... << basic soldering skills required. the volume pot in the keyboard has a fixed voltage at one end and is grounded at the other. the wire coming off the middle carries the actual control voltage representing the position of the control. you take this wire off and connect the middle tag of the pot to the /end/ of the pot in your pedal, ground the other end of the pot in the pedal and bring back the middle connection to the wire you have left over. a regular stereo jack socket can be used, if you can find somewhere in the controller keyboard to mount it. there's usually room near the other sockets. also, you should arrange that the tip and ring connections are shorted together when the pedal is unplugged; this restores the onboard control to normal action. beware that you don't create a situation where the fixed voltage could be shorted to ground- the onboard pot's centre tag should go to the tip connection and the pedal's pot's centre tag should be the ring connection. now you should have the onboard control governing the maximum voltage that can appear across the pedal's pot. wherever the onboard control is, it will determine the loudest the signal can be, while either control can be used to fade the signal to nothing. and the pedal can't go louder than the onboard pot is set. I just don't know why keyboards don't come like this. it's much simpler than editing pedal control parameters in every patch..... duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A504.256E8F10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [looper's] RE: keyboard/volume pedal mods

 >>> Whoah, hey, how do you do that?
the evolutions are modified so that a volume pedal can b= e plugged straight in the back, and the onboard volume control then adjusts= the upper limit of the pedal, returning to it's normal function when the p= edal is unplugged. why oh why aren't they like this when you buy them? god = knows it's simple enough...... <<

basic soldering skills required.
the volume pot in the keyboard has a fixed voltage at on= e end and is grounded at the other. the wire coming off the middle carries = the actual control voltage representing the position of the control.

you take this wire off and connect the middle tag of the = pot to the /end/ of the pot in your pedal, ground the other end of the pot = in the pedal and bring back the middle connection to the wire you have left= over.

a regular stereo jack socket can be used, if you can find= somewhere in the controller keyboard to mount it. there's usually room nea= r the other sockets.

also, you should arrange that the tip and ring connection= s are shorted together when the pedal is unplugged; this restores the onboa= rd control to normal action. beware that you don't create a situation where= the fixed voltage could be shorted to ground- the onboard pot's centre tag= should go to the tip connection and the pedal's pot's centre tag should be= the ring connection.

now you should have the onboard control governing the max= imum voltage that can appear across the pedal's pot. wherever the onboard c= ontrol is, it will determine the loudest the signal can be, while either co= ntrol can be used to fade the signal to nothing. and the pedal can't go lou= der than the onboard pot is set.

I just don't know why keyboards don't come like this. it'= s much simpler than editing pedal control parameters in every patch.....

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A504.256E8F10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 08:27:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29749; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:25:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:25:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-21.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1040045140!27800 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA45@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: OT: 1/2 rack boss delays Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:19:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A505.C0F95360" Resent-Message-ID: <01oskC.A.vQH.aRd_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A505.C0F95360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I can't comment on the RPS-10.<< I have an rps10 and an rpd10 (I think- the stereo panning delay anyway), and one of the two- I can't remember which but I think it's the rps10, has a socket on the back marked "freeze" or somesuch. there's not much memory in the thing- about a second or so- but it will store a sound indefinitely while powered and let you change the pitch. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A505.C0F95360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: OT: 1/2 rack boss delays

>>I can't comment on the RPS-10.<<

I have an rps10 and an rpd10 (I think- the stereo panning= delay anyway), and one of the two- I can't remember which but I think it's= the rps10, has a socket on the back marked "freeze" or somesuch.= there's not much memory in the thing- about a second or so- but it will st= ore a sound indefinitely while powered and let you change the pitch.=

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A505.C0F95360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 08:49:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31163; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:48:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:48:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cc01c2a509$8f9831c0$973c5cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <6a.2aaf5ff1.2b2e9148@aol.com> Subject: Re: NJ Gig Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:46:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > Lambertville, NJ Say, isn't that just across the river from New Hope, Pa? Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 08:54:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31702; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:54:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:54:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013e01c2a50a$b1013ea0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <6a.2aaf5ff1.2b2e9148@aol.com> <00cc01c2a509$8f9831c0$973c5cd1@LocalHost> Subject: Re: NJ Gig Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:54:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > Lambertville, NJ > > Say, isn't that just across the river from New Hope, Pa? Yes, I do say. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 09:34:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03392; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:29:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:29:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: [looper's] RE: OT: 1/2 rack boss delays Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:29:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c2a50f$828b3990$0fc0000a@akm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2A4E5.99B53190" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA45@LON-MAIL07> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2A4E5.99B53190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have one too what you refered to as freeze is labeled hold, what I can't remember is what to plug into it to use this feature. Anyone use this with any success then please let me or anyone else know. The jack type is 1/4 inch I guess I could experiment, but I would rather not screw the unit up by wiring it up wrong. -----Original Message----- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 8:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: OT: 1/2 rack boss delays >>I can't comment on the RPS-10.<< I have an rps10 and an rpd10 (I think- the stereo panning delay anyway), and one of the two- I can't remember which but I think it's the rps10, has a socket on the back marked "freeze" or somesuch. there's not much memory in the thing- about a second or so- but it will store a sound indefinitely while powered and let you change the pitch. duncan/r.m.i. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2A4E5.99B53190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I have=20 one too what you refered to as freeze is labeled hold, what I can't = remember is=20 what to plug into it to use this feature. Anyone=20 use this with any success then please let me or anyone else know. The = jack type=20 is 1/4 inch I guess I could experiment, but I would rather not screw the = unit up=20 by wiring it up wrong.
 
 
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>>I can't comment on the = RPS-10.<<

I have an rps10 and an rpd10 (I think- the stereo = panning=20 delay anyway), and one of the two- I can't remember which but I think = it's the=20 rps10, has a socket on the back marked "freeze" or somesuch. there's = not much=20 memory in the thing- about a second or so- but it will store a sound=20 indefinitely while powered and let you change the pitch.

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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2A4E5.99B53190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 09:45:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04324; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:42:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:42:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-23.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1040049716!32910 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA4A@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [looper's] RE: OT: 1/2 rack boss delays Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:35:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A510.68F2AF30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A510.68F2AF30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> I have one too what you refered to as freeze is labeled hold, what I can't remember is what to plug into it to use this feature. Anyone use this with any success then please let me or anyone else know. The jack type is 1/4 inch I guess I could experiment, but I would rather not screw the unit up by wiring it up wrong. << oh, it's just join the two wires together. any old switch. I used to use a momentary footswitch so that you had to push the switch to unfreeze it. this way you could "grab" tiny bits of audio in on the fly...... I'm pretty sure that I used it at least once on stage, when I couldn't face lugging my old powertran mcs1 (now /there's/ a freezer box from the past) and before we got a second jam-man. much as I like being able to adjust tempo and pitch separately (repeater), the rps1 and the mcs1 just had pitch controls that would slow the frozen audio down aswell as detune it. (or speed it up, of course...). sometimes I still prefer that- I must train the repeater to do it somehow... duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A510.68F2AF30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Message
 >> I have one too what you refered to as freeze is labeled hold, what I can't remember is what to plug into it to use this feature. Anyone use this with any success then please let me or anyone else know. The jack type is 1/4 inch I guess I could experiment, but I would rather not screw the unit up by wiring it up wrong. << 
 
 
oh, it's just join the two wires together. any old switch. I used to use a momentary footswitch so that you had to push the switch to unfreeze it. this way you could "grab" tiny bits of audio in on the fly...... I'm pretty sure that I used it at least once on stage, when I couldn't face lugging my old powertran mcs1 (now /there's/ a freezer box from the past) and before we got a second jam-man.
much as I like being able to adjust tempo and pitch separately (repeater), the rps1 and the mcs1 just had pitch controls that would slow the frozen audio down aswell as detune it. (or speed it up, of course...). sometimes I still prefer that- I must train the repeater to do it somehow...
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A510.68F2AF30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 10:41:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09883; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:40:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:40:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0 Sender: hans@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <3DFDF3A4.70B2A6BA@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:39:16 -0800 From: Engineering Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stereo Mixers References: <200212160915.EAA12535@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5Kw1SD.A.TaC.cPf_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like the Mackie LM-3204, which has two mono and two stereo effect sends (only the mono OR the stereo are available at any given time per channel). All of its inputs are mono/stereo. The MONITOR bus also makes a nice stereo send, as does the AUX 3/4 bus. -Hans > Yes, please. A stereo oriented mixer would be a real blessing. > > Mark > > on 12/15/02 9:52 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > > > My biggest complaint with trying to use a mixer in my looping rig (as opposed > > to > > daisy-chaining effects) is that everything I use is stereo, and I haven't > > encountered any mixers that had stereo aux sends. So you have to use two > > effects > > sends, and alternate the channels. That means you can't turn something up in > > the > > send to an effects unit (like a reverb) without turning two knobs. > > > > Does anyone know of a mixer with stereo input channels and stereo efx sends? > > > > Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 10:41:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09903; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:40:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:40:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <142.5406d0c.2b2f4db9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:39:37 EST Subject: Re: In need of help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA09880 Resent-Message-ID: <_0zGtB.A.paC.dPf_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted, In a message dated 12/15/02 10:21:36 PM, Ted82@charter.net writes: >Hi, i was wondering if u ever got to see my list of equipment. if not >please let me know and ill type away. Thanks, Ted As a matter of fact no. Did you post it? I didn't see it and I've been watching for it all this time. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 11:33:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14017; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:27:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:27:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:27:34 EST Subject: Re: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Thanks. To elaborate a bit: > > I was going to rack an EDP/Echo Pro/Filter Factory/ and 1 or 2 other FX > eventually (anyone use the MPX 200?). > > The 2642 just seems to be a great unit for expansion. I only need 4 channels > > (2 for gtr, 1 for the EDP and one for a boomrang), but I think it may be the > > only 6 aux Behringer and its only $250 now. Plus, I thought it was only a 7 > space rack (if musicians friend is correct) its an 8u unit, just checked with a ruler. Have you considered a 1u mixer, there's a number of options available. The Behringer Ultralink pro is v. flexible, each channel is either a splitter or a mixer. Also MAM make some interesting stuff. They're all very cheap, so you could even combine a couple of units, using one to split the signal where you wanted it, and one to mix. This would give you a setup of about 8u all together, quite portable. Working out all your routing options is going to take ages though:-) (especially if you want stereo, which I assume you do with 2 amps) I remember talk on this list from David Torn, who had a 1u mixer (Rane) modified so that the pan pots became an AUX send. Its a problem, that the only mixers with a decent number of sends have about 20 channels or more. wish i could point you to an easy answer, maybe someone else can andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 12:21:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18989; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:20:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:20:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.74.112.232] From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:12:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2002 17:12:53.0657 (UTC) FILETIME=[5EBCD890:01C2A526] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >wish i could point you to an easy answer, maybe someone >else can Thanks Andy. You have helped. I originally wanted a line mixer and looked into that Behringer, but it just didn't have the sends. I am catching myself between what I want at present and what I "think" I might want in the future (basically more fx). Limiting is a very smart thing. BTW, I am not running stereo: Rang and Fender Super on the right, EDP and Fender Concert on the left. It was a Torn article that got me thinking about this set up in the first place. He mentions a Mackie mixer he has that was modified with bonus aux sends. I like the idea of taking the loopers out of the line. The tip on Gator racks vs SKB is promising. Those units look very heavy though and haven't found a site with good specs (Gator's isn't loading for me well). I had no idea that 2642 came in close to 20 lbs. NS _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 12:25:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19281; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:24:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:24:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: [looper's] RE: OT: 1/2 rack boss delays Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:24:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c2a51f$8bded140$0fc0000a@akm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2A4F5.A30A4FE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA4A@LON-MAIL07> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2A4F5.A30A4FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey thanks for the info I just pulled the rps-10 out of mothballs and I still think its handy, but I need to get the hold switch and controls going, so I can render it useful again. -----Original Message----- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 9:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [looper's] RE: OT: 1/2 rack boss delays >> I have one too what you refered to as freeze is labeled hold, what I can't remember is what to plug into it to use this feature. Anyone use this with any success then please let me or anyone else know. The jack type is 1/4 inch I guess I could experiment, but I would rather not screw the unit up by wiring it up wrong. << oh, it's just join the two wires together. any old switch. I used to use a momentary footswitch so that you had to push the switch to unfreeze it. this way you could "grab" tiny bits of audio in on the fly...... I'm pretty sure that I used it at least once on stage, when I couldn't face lugging my old powertran mcs1 (now /there's/ a freezer box from the past) and before we got a second jam-man. much as I like being able to adjust tempo and pitch separately (repeater), the rps1 and the mcs1 just had pitch controls that would slow the frozen audio down aswell as detune it. (or speed it up, of course...). sometimes I still prefer that- I must train the repeater to do it somehow... duncan/r.m.i. ************************************************************************ *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. 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Hey=20 thanks for the info I just pulled the rps-10 out of mothballs and I = still think=20 its handy, but I need to get the hold switch and controls going, so I = can render=20 it useful again.
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 >> I have one too what = you=20 refered to as freeze is labeled hold, what I can't remember is what to = plug=20 into it to use this feature. = Anyone use=20 this with any success then please let me or anyone else know. The jack = type is=20 1/4 inch I guess I could experiment, but I would rather not screw the = unit up=20 by wiring it up wrong. << 
 
 
oh, it's just join the two wires together. = any old=20 switch. I used to use a momentary footswitch so that you had to push = the=20 switch to unfreeze it. this way you could "grab" tiny bits of audio in = on the=20 fly...... I'm pretty sure that I used it at least once on stage, when = I=20 couldn't face lugging my old powertran mcs1 (now /there's/ a freezer = box from=20 the past) and before we got a second=20 jam-man.
much as I like being able to adjust tempo = and pitch=20 separately (repeater), the rps1 and the mcs1 just had pitch controls = that=20 would slow the frozen audio down aswell as detune it. (or speed it up, = of=20 course...). sometimes I still prefer that- I must train the repeater = to do it=20 somehow...
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2A4F5.A30A4FE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 14:11:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27410; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:03:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:03:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a201c2a503$541b37b0$0df8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <161.1881e793.2b2b5fc2@aol.com> <002901c2a4cb$16510500$a31d7344@schererfamily> Subject: Re: In need of help Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:02:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ted- i sent you an email privately (ted82@charter.net) ...did you ever get it? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 14:44:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30051; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:43:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:43:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: live mp3 of looping gig , INdiana Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:43:29 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: In need of help Thread-Index: AcKlNikXUynLKcY6SymsPNXtb+eUswAB6/Kw From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2002 19:43:29.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[688FE730:01C2A53B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA30030 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I Played another gig last night and this one was cool.well, I used a crate solid state combo amp, digitech rp-50 pedal,boomerang pedalboard and it was recorded in mono with one sm57beta mic using a Roland vs-880 (one track).You can check it out at: http://www.dtguitar.com/spoondec14.mp3 or just visit my webpage at http://www.dtguitar.com and there is a link. Cool, I will play 2 more shows at the venue before the year is out and then some in January. WEll, let me know what you think, alwys interesting to hear feedback as every show I play is different material and setups as the material is improvised. Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com Official release: Denis played a set at the Runciple Spoon, Bloomington, IN Saturday December 14th,2002. this small, Low Key venue which at times creates some of the best performances do to its small size and cozy interior. Denis played regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly at this venue. Denis played more atmospheric improvised compositions for this show. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 15:13:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01428; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:10:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:10:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <200212160915.EAA12535@hemlock.violacea.com> <3DFDF3A4.70B2A6BA@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: Stereo Mixers Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:12:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2002 20:10:25.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BAD1000:01C2A53F] Resent-Message-ID: <3B4pDB.A.OW.QNj_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use the mackie 1402, which has two stereo sends: Alt3/4 and control-room out. Both sends are selectable by channel, and feature a pre/post fader toggle. Jon > I like the Mackie LM-3204, which has two mono and two stereo effect > sends (only the mono OR the stereo are available at any given time per > channel). All of its inputs are mono/stereo. The MONITOR bus also > makes a nice stereo send, as does the AUX 3/4 bus. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 15:44:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04330; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:40:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:40:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021216122452.038d6ca0@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:48:30 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Duke Sexton Subject: Re: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:27 AM 12/16/2002 -0500, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >Have you considered a 1u mixer, there's a number >of options available. Well you'd have to troll the used market, but since I'm using 'em myself let me throw in a plug for the Simmons SPM 8:2. It's 1U rackmount with 8-in, 2-out, 2 mono effect send/returns and a headphone output. Each channel has individual high, low, and sweepable parametric mid for EQ. In addition, 128 presets can be stored then individually recalled via MIDI. You can control/store the rate that the each individual presets will "fade" from one program to the next, giving you rough scene-automation capability. Also, there are built in tremelo and phase effects that may be applied individually to each channel. Caveats are that individual units can be a bit noisy (especially earlier software revs; most of the biggest problems were worked out by ROM revision 3 or 4, though). You can pretty much take care of that, however, by carefully setting the trim pot on each channel when first setting up the unit. I've got four SPM 8:2's -- two earlier and two later models -- and now that I've got their input gain properly tuned I can tell the difference between them if I try, but only just. Also, the front panel controls can be a bit fiddly (then again, I've got pretty big fingers) but they're cramming a whole buncha functions into a 1U faceplate. These little guys creep up every once in a while on Ebay for pretty decent prices. I see one went a couple weeks ago for $90 and... good gods, somebody turned one around for $27, as well. Anyway, looks like you could get a good deal on one of these if you keep an eye out. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 17:59:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17114; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:56:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:56:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DFE4C40.DAAB9923@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:57:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lexicon MPX200 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did briefly. I thought it was a good value for the money, and synching things to a MIDI clock was a no brainer. Unfortunatly, it did not do any filter effects, so I upgraded to the Lexicon MPX1. I love it! So very versitile. You've got to work with it to get what you want, but once you do you can really get amazing effects from this box. Mark Sottilaro SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > (anyone use the MPX 200?). > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 18:27:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20421; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:26:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:26:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011101c2a55a$62cae920$8064f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200212161541.KAA10310@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: LOOPING TOUR of EUROPE/BRITISH ISLES 2003 (Looking for loopers to play with) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:25:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers in Europe and the British Isles, I am embarking on a solo live looping tour of Europe and the British Isles this coming summer. I already have dates tentatively in Sweden, Germany,Switzerland, Italy, France, the British Isles and Spain. I would love it if anyone would be interested in helping me to find a gig or produce a LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL in your home town during my trip. I will probably be in Sweden for the last two weeks of May; in Northern Continental Europe for the first couple of weeks of June, in the British Isles for the last couple of weeks of June and in Southern Europe for the first couple of weeks of July. These times are still tentative and will solidify as more dates get booked. I would love to book more gigs in Norway, Finland, Holland, Denmark, Belgium and Germany. I would also love to book a gig or two in Scotland which I would dearly love to visit. How I'm doing most shows is joining a local looper who will do a solo set, then I will do a solo set and then we will finish off the evening (or afternoon) with a duet improvisational set. What I would need from anyone willing to help me book a gig would would be: 1) for you to book a venue for a performance: a) in can be a paid performance or a free performance whichever is the easiest to produce b) I have a lot of experience booking gigs and festivals so I can advise you if you feel like taking on such a project but don't have experience yourself c) the venue could be: a house concert, a pub, a coffeeshop, a bookstore a museum, an art gallery, a nightclub, an outdoor ampitheater.........IT DOES NOT have to be a typical place for presenting music........I have convinced many coffee shops and bookstores to host a free concert. 2) to have a place for my wife and I to stay (including throwing a sleeping bag) that is a CAT-FREE environment (because I am deathly allergic to the cute little creatures) or recommendations for an inexpensive hotel that we can stay at. 3) willingness to publicize the gig (which I can help with as my new website should be launching at the start of the new year with photos, vid clips, audio clips, bios and press) 4) P.A. speakers, an amplifier and , hopefully (but not necessarily) monitors (I will be travelling with a Mackie 1402 mixer, microphones, effects and instruments). If more than one looper from your town or area participates we can call the show a Looping Festival which will allow us to get two to three times as much publicity and two to three times as many people. Please e-mail me off list if this interests you or if you want to help me out. GLOBAL@cruzio.com I will, of course, be willing to do the same thing here in California for anyone who helps me out. I look forward to meeting you and gigging with you. yours, appreciatively, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 18:35:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21071; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:34:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:34:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8c.21502f11.2b2fbce2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:33:54 EST Subject: gig spam-pittsburgh-12/17/02 To: klobucha@zoominternet.net, stevepariser@msn.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8c.21502f11.2b2fbce2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8c.21502f11.2b2fbce2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HAY!, here's the scoop on tamari nite, ill be sitting in with "clutter" aka "the bush puppets" and makin some loops.....michael (who is, alas not mr.funky) Mr. Roboto Project 722 Wood Street Wilkinsburg, PA 15221 412-247-9639 Mr. Funky here, announcing the KEEP OUT show at mr. roboto tomorrow evening (tuesday, december 17, 7:30, $3). KEEP OUT, that is, unless you want to hear baffling, grotty, hysterical, ecstatic music. i'll be playing my UNFINISHED SYMPHONIES, including my latest compositions FAILURE IS AN OPTION and CATNIP FOR THE LADIES. i'll also be unleashing and celebrating the inherent sappiness of SILVER BELLS. also on the bill: everybody's favorite erotic therapist, the STOIC SEX PRO. also on the bill: the best bent jazz band west of 52nd street, CLUTTER. we'll all be exploring the "playing with feeling" paradigm. it's elastic and it's a concept. --part1_8c.21502f11.2b2fbce2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HAY!, here's the scoop on tamari nite, ill be sitting in with "clutter" aka "the bush puppets" and makin some loops.....michael (who is, alas not mr.funky)

Mr. Roboto Project
722 Wood Street
Wilkinsburg, PA 15221
412-247-9639
Mr. Funky here, announcing the KEEP OUT show at mr. roboto tomorrow evening (tuesday, december 17, 7:30, $3).  KEEP OUT, that is, unless you want to hear baffling, grotty, hysterical, ecstatic music. 

i'll be playing my UNFINISHED SYMPHONIES, including my latest compositions FAILURE IS AN OPTION and CATNIP FOR THE LADIES.  i'll also be unleashing and celebrating the inherent sappiness of SILVER BELLS.

also on the bill:  everybody's favorite erotic therapist, the STOIC SEX PRO. 
also on the bill:  the best bent jazz band west of 52nd street, CLUTTER.


we'll all be exploring the "playing with feeling" paradigm.  it's elastic and it's a concept.



--part1_8c.21502f11.2b2fbce2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 18:42:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21873; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:42:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:42:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:42:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200212161842.AA110100678@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: mixers in a loop rig X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I love my Mackie 1202 VLZ, but it has this problem too. I have another (unrelated) request... In the interest of reducing my rig into a reasonable fly-not-drive touring size I'd like to see if I can not use a mixer at all. For this goal, I'm willing to move away from the power that my current parallel routing structure that my 1202 gives me to a more serial routing. The only that that is missing (and the new tiny Behringer mixers don't offer either) is MUTE and SOLO. As an improvisor, I depend on this to get my synth, bass or cello tones to what I want before I blast them through the PA. What I want is a tiny (trying to save space, remember) single headphone amp with stereo in and out and a mute button that sits after the amp, but before the outputs so that I can mute, but still hear in my headphones. I know that this would be dead-simple for the soldering inclined, but I suck at that stuff and would be too worried about the reliability of my own work. Does anyone know of a commercial box that does just this? thanks, Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 20:44:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31632; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:43:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:43:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DFE7370.F3B0E6A8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:44:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: RIAA Logic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An interesting article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/28588.html Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 20:48:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32107; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:48:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:48:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c2a56e$5db8e860$3e57c350@p4> From: "d.swain" To: References: <001301c2a3da$ca7ea290$3e57c350@p4> <003c01c2a448$74e069e0$8e83abd4@giow2000> Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:48:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on the elliot sharp topic here is a video of him playing the instrument http://www.roulette.org/noisy/dvd_vhs/sharp.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "luca" To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar > I have played Elliott's 8string when I was in ny with him. > The spacing between the strings is fairly narrow, say like a > klein/steinberger, if not narrower. > Pick ups are bartolini for bass and it has just one output. > He uses a Boss gt5 as main processor, a line 6 looper and a 2nd edition > whammy. > He goes in a fender twin or a bass amp. > Sometimes he puts a mouse pad on the body to control the Max plug in of his > Mac. > The tuning is regular, the two added strings are below the low E string in > steps of 4ths. > > My first reaction when I embraced her has been: wow ! and now how do I play > this ? > > His (very long) fingers move as an octopus on that fingerboard! > > luca > ------------------------------ > www.unguitar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "d.swain" > To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:39 AM > Subject: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar > > > Does anyone have any information on this ? > Im particulary interested in the scale length, electroinics and amps / fx > used > > David Swain > > d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk > www.onelessthannone.co.uk > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 21:35:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03045; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:31:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:31:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:30:17 -0800 From: glenn Subject: OT: Peter Gabriel if you can To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't know where he's headed from San Jose, but it it's near anyone on list, even if you have to sell a piece of gear to go as i did, it's SO much more than worth it. Like a fine wine.... glenn -"hug a middle eastern person today" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 21:44:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03624; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:41:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:41:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c2a575$a7efc320$6501a8c0@cliff> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel if you can Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:40:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ya- a memorable show indeed- Cliff http://www.petergabriel.com/moonclub/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 22:18:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06781; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:17:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:17:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c2a57a$cd9ff2c0$a31d7344@schererfamily> From: "Ted Scherer" To: References: <161.1881e793.2b2b5fc2@aol.com> <002901c2a4cb$16510500$a31d7344@schererfamily> <00a201c2a503$541b37b0$0df8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: In need of help Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:17:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, i did. You mentioned the sound sculpture switchblade 8b in one post. And a couple boards in the other. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimfowler" To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:02 AM Subject: Re: In need of help > ted- > > i sent you an email privately (ted82@charter.net) ...did you ever get it? > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 22:42:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08239; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:41:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:41:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006f01c2a57d$8d6cad80$a1e35cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #299 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:36:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #299 December 12, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie, a defining pioneer of the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was "Planetary Chronicles Volume 1" on the Miramar label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Sequencer" by Synergy (a.k.a. Larry Fast) on the Passport Records label. Jonn Serrie http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#dec PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Synergy Cybersports Sequencer (Passport) Wayne Lyttle Harmonic Voltage Animusic (Animusic) Jean Michel Jarre Oxygene Part IV Oxygene (Dreyfus) Redshift Halo Halo (Distant Sun) Otarion Select Select Creator (Neu Harmony) Tranzit H2O Tranz-Rapid (Groove) Alpha Wave Movement Liquid Cosmos A Distant Signal (HRR) Steve Roach Darkest Before Dawn * Darkest Before Dawn (Timeroom) 12:00 am Jonn Serrie Mystery Road Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Dawn Trader Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie The Straits of Madigann Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Starmoods Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie The Auran Vector Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 (Miramar) Max van Richter The House of Visual Resurrection (Neu Harmony) Transference 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Planetary Chronicles Volume 2" on the Miramar label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Chronos" by Michael Stearns on the Sonic Atmospheres label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 01:12:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20681; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:11:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:11:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:08:15 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: OT: Peter Gabriel if you can To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DFEBF4F.E08AD7D@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: <-yhU1D.A.-CF.RAs_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Friends of ours called us 2 hours before the show because they had gotten free tics! Woo hoo! It was a fine show indeed. However, he did "Here Comes the Flood" with no Frippatronics intro. Sure would have been nice if he sparked up one of those JamMan he writes about in the liner notes. Mark Sottilaro glenn wrote: > > Don't know where he's headed from San Jose, but it it's near anyone on list, > even if you have to sell a piece of gear to go as i did, it's SO much more > than worth it. Like a fine wine.... > > glenn > > -"hug a middle eastern person today" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 04:06:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02075; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 04:01:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 04:01:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <8c.21535bb8.2b3041b2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 04:00:34 EST Subject: Re: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Thanks Andy. You have helped. I originally wanted a line mixer and looked > into that Behringer, but it just didn't have the sends. The Behringer Ultralink pro ? Can be configured to route 2 inputs to any of 3 outputs, and then also mix 3 inputs to 2 outputs. (before I bought mine, I spent hours with pen and paper and a downloaded manual). For instance (just an example) Guitar to main Input A, channels 1,2,3 configured as "splitter", (so they work as outputs/sends) channels 4,5,6 configured as "mix" (like a regular mixer) ch 1 o/p direct patch to ch 4 input ch 2 o/p to EDP , EDP to ch 5 i/p ch 3 o/p to Rang , Rang to ch 6 i/p set both loopers to fully wet sound. main Outputs to 2 amps. Then you can mix Direct Guitar Sound, EDP and Rang between the 2 amps in any combination (and operate everything a correct level), with a send from the gtr to either looper. Having done that you could even take the O/P from ch2 and plug it direct to main Input B, which would allow you to feed the EDP input into the rang. There's a whole load of possibilities, though admittedly it isn't very intuitive to use the unit when connected up like this, too easy to turn the wrong knob and get horrible feedback. Oh well, still waiting for a small mixer designed with looping in mind. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 05:45:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08296; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 05:42:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 05:42:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Elliot sharp's --> mathematic processes cnanging your hearing Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:42:26 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <000f01c2a56e$5db8e860$3e57c350@p4> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id FAA08275 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: d.swain [mailto:d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk] > on the elliot sharp topic here is a video of him playing the > instrument http://www.roulette.org/noisy/dvd_vhs/sharp.html That was a really cool link. Thanks. One thing he said was very interesting IMO: "It changes the way you hear music when you start working with mathematic processes". Can someone on this list tell about similar experiences? Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 06:41:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA12444; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 06:41:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 06:41:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <116.1c12cbb3.2b30672a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 06:40:26 EST Subject: Re: OT: Peter Gabriel Concert Sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_116.1c12cbb3.2b30672a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_116.1c12cbb3.2b30672a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy, How was the sound at the PG shows? My wife and sis-in-law saw him last month and said the sound was not very good. I'm curious to hear what people thought of other shows. They saw him in CT. =-) PJ --part1_116.1c12cbb3.2b30672a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy,
           How was the sound at the PG shows? My wife and sis-in-law saw him last month and said the sound was not very good. I'm curious to hear what people thought of other shows. They saw him in CT.         =-) PJ
--part1_116.1c12cbb3.2b30672a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 07:10:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14661; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:08:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:08:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217230133.027ce5e0@phaesler.org> X-Sender: woz@phaesler.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:02:49 +1100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Woz Subject: Jamman swap for Vortex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, would anyone want to swap a Jamman for a Vortex. T From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 07:23:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15372; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:20:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:20:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217231423.027d0b90@phaesler.org> X-Sender: woz@phaesler.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:15:00 +1100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Woz Subject: Jamman for Vortex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BTW- I'm the one with the Jamman :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 07:29:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15422; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:21:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:21:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c2a5c6$b1b19c70$152c93d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217230133.027ce5e0@phaesler.org> Subject: Re: Jamman swap for Vortex Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:20:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NO no nooooo C:=) Claude > Hi, would anyone want to swap a Jamman for a Vortex. T > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 08:53:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21740; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:51:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:51:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looptalk@aol.com Message-ID: <106.1cfcd369.2b3085e8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:51:36 EST Subject: Re: Jamman for Vortex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <0uYtpC.A.mTF.1vy_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just saw your second email!!! call me 800 405 1488 todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 10:02:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27955; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:59:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:59:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:50:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: In need of help Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4IoOyB.A.t0G.9uz_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (ted--) my (late) 2 cents....my "rack" didn't take too long to get, nor was it super expensive, since i bought a lot of older gear....and i'm pretty new to it all also... but here's how my chain of stuff goes: guitar--volume pedal--digitech rp100--zoom 9150--digitech dsp256xl--dod d12--digitech ips 33--lexicon mpx100--out to either old 50 watt amp or direct signal to 4 track for recording. i don't use a mixer, nor do i use midi, just ye ole hand manipulation of stuff. i'm also just using the mono inputs/outputs to all gear, occasionally i will use both outputs of the lex mpx100 to get a 2 tracks of loop stuff when i'm recording directly. i've found that w/ my signal chained as such that there has to be some adjusting of input/output levels to compensate for noise. the older digitech gear can be tricky, and i've read reviews of other people using it saying how noisy they are etc, but i've found that just adjusting levels now and then helps. i think the bypasses on all work pretty well also. i'm not a real stickler, to me the noise enhances my sound. i would suggest getting good cables, my only problem now is one of my cables is old and i believe it's giving me some noise in my use of the volume pedal. so this works well for me guitar wise. i've been experimenting w/ vocal loops, and i had a harder time getting a good signal etc. so for vocal loops i just use: microphone-- dod d12--lex mpx100. i've found my other older gear wasn't as good for getting a good clean signal. i think a lot of it is just experimenting. i know in some experimenting my regular guitar signal was only going through 1/2 my effects from above, and i was glad when i rehooked up all my stuff. to me, it just didn't sound like me, but i like a lot of different effects and having different options. end of late 2 cents....and long too (sorry)... s--- http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/452/hsacnostetn.html -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 10:03:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27994; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:59:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:59:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A5DC.98682515" Subject: FW: MMC7 Showcase Acceptance Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:57:18 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: MMC7 Showcase Acceptance Thread-Index: AcKllN0IBZOxHi36QeWzsbc2lawx1AAQgSJAAAH4H4A= From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2002 14:57:19.0251 (UTC) FILETIME=[98AABE30:01C2A5DC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A5DC.98682515 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: denis@dtguitar.com SubHello, I just got word of this and wanted to pass on this news to you. I was = selected to perform at the 7th Annual Millenium Music Conference 2003 in = Harrisdburg, PA. I will be performing regular guitar and guitar loops = done on the fly at this Music conference and showcase. Thanks Denis =20 Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com MMC7 Showcase Acceptance December 17, 2003 =20 Congratulations! The 7th Annual Millenium Music Conference=20 is pleased to inform you that your act Guitarist Denis Taaffe has been = selected to=20 showcase at the event February 13-15, 2003 in Harrisburg, PA=20 All confirmed showcasing acts will be informed of their=20 venues and times by Monday, December 23 and it will be=20 available on the conference website. http://www.musicconference.net The Directors and Staff of the Conference ask for your=20 "quick reply" and wish you a Happy Holiday Season.=20 Thanks MMC7 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A5DC.98682515 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To: denis@dtguitar.com
SubHello,
I just got=20 word of this and wanted to pass on this news to you. I was = selected=20 to perform at the 7th Annual Millenium Music Conference 2003 in = Harrisdburg,=20 PA. I will be performing regular guitar and guitar loops done on the = fly at=20 this Music conference and = showcase.
Thanks
Denis
 
Denis=20 Taaffe
denis@dtguitar.com=
http://www.dtguitar.com&nbs= p;=20 MMC7 Showcase Acceptance

December 17, 2003
    =
Congratulations! The=20 7th Annual Millenium Music Conference
is pleased to inform you that = your=20 act  Guitarist = Denis=20 Taaffe  has been selected to
showcase at the = event=20 February 13-15, 2003 in Harrisburg, PA

All confirmed showcasing acts will be = informed of=20 their
venues and times by Monday, December 23 and it will be =
available=20 on the conference website.
http://www.musicconference.net


The Directors = and Staff of=20 the Conference ask for your
"quick reply" and wish you a Happy = Holiday=20 Season.
Thanks=20 MMC7






------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A5DC.98682515-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 10:13:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29115; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:12:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:12:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.74.111.235] From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:11:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2002 15:11:35.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[96BDF770:01C2A5DE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The Behringer Ultralink pro ? >Can be configured to route 2 inputs to any of 3 outputs, >and then also mix 3 inputs to 2 outputs. >(before I bought mine, I spent hours with pen and >paper and a downloaded manual). That does sound promising. I wanted some sends for my echopro,FF, multi etc. as well, but Behringer can get you to give them a chance on price alone. What is that ultralink pro, $80? >For instance (just an example) >Guitar to main Input A,channels 1,2,3 configured as "splitter", (sothey >work as outputs/sends) >channels 4,5,6 configured as "mix" (like a regular mixer) >ch 1 o/p direct patch to ch 4 input >ch 2 o/p to EDP , EDP to ch 5 i/p >ch 3 o/p to Rang , Rang to ch 6 i/p >set both loopers to fully wet sound. >main Outputs to 2 amps. I used to only have two boss pedals that stayed on half the time. NS _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 11:15:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01728; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:08:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:08:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <102.216edae8.2b30a5a7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:07:03 EST Subject: Re: OT: Peter Gabriel Concert Sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_102.216edae8.2b30a5a7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Resent-Message-ID: <5NXrpB.A.6a.Pw0_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_102.216edae8.2b30a5a7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw PG in Detroit and I thought the sound was pretty decent myself. -I could even understand what PG was saying when he spoke...something I usually have trouble with. I thought the Blind Boys of Alabama came across well too. What I was bummed with was the reaction of the crowd! Too many polite and quiet people sitting on their hands. You gotta let the artist feel some love...this was Detroit Rock City for crying out loud! ha ha -Todd --part1_102.216edae8.2b30a5a7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw PG in Detroit and I thought the sound was pretty decent myself.  -I could even understand what PG was saying when he spoke...something I usually have trouble with.  I thought the Blind Boys of Alabama came across well too.

What I was bummed with was the reaction of the crowd!  Too many polite and quiet people sitting on their hands.  You gotta let the artist feel some love...this was Detroit Rock City for crying out loud!  ha ha  -Todd
--part1_102.216edae8.2b30a5a7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 11:18:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02606; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:17:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:17:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A5E7.C7781438" Subject: FW: MMC7 Showcase Acceptance + still time to aply for a showcase Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:17:22 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: MMC7 Showcase Acceptance Thread-Index: AcKllN0IBZOxHi36QeWzsbc2lawx1AAQgSJAAAH4H4AAADu9QAACnc6A From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2002 16:17:22.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7A2D140:01C2A5E7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A5E7.C7781438 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 To: denis@dtguitar.com SubHello, I just got word of this and wanted to pass on this news to you. I was = selected to perform at the 7th Annual Millenium Music Conference 2003 in = Harrisdburg, PA. I will be performing regular guitar and guitar loops = done on the fly at this Music conference and showcase. Also, noticed = that there is still tiem to apply or a showcase if interested. Any = loopers in PA area?=20 Thanks Denis =20 Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com MMC7 Showcase Acceptance December 17, 2003 =20 Congratulations! The 7th Annual Millenium Music Conference=20 is pleased to inform you that your act Guitarist Denis Taaffe has been = selected to=20 showcase at the event February 13-15, 2003 in Harrisburg, PA=20 All confirmed showcasing acts will be informed of their=20 venues and times by Monday, December 23 and it will be=20 available on the conference website. http://www.musicconference.net The Directors and Staff of the Conference ask for your=20 "quick reply" and wish you a Happy Holiday Season.=20 Thanks MMC7 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A5E7.C7781438 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

To: denis@dtguitar.com
SubHello,
I just=20 got word of this and wanted to pass on this news to you. = I was=20 selected to perform at the 7th Annual Millenium Music Conference 2003 = in=20 Harrisdburg, PA. I will be performing regular guitar and guitar loops = done on=20 the fly at this Music conference and showcase. Also, noticed that there is still tiem = to apply or a=20 showcase if interested. Any loopers in PA=20 area? 
Thanks
Denis
 
Denis=20 Taaffe
denis@dtguitar.com=
http://www.dtguitar.com&nbs= p;=20 MMC7 Showcase Acceptance

December 17, 2003
    =
Congratulations! The=20 7th Annual Millenium Music Conference
is pleased to inform you that = your=20 act  Guitarist = Denis=20 Taaffe  has been selected to
showcase at the = event=20 February 13-15, 2003 in Harrisburg, PA

All confirmed showcasing acts will be = informed of=20 their
venues and times by Monday, December 23 and it will be =
available=20 on the conference website.
http://www.musicconference.net


The Directors = and Staff of=20 the Conference ask for your
"quick reply" and wish you a Happy = Holiday=20 Season.
Thanks=20 MMC7






------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A5E7.C7781438-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 11:23:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03215; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:20:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:20:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:17:56 -0800 From: glenn Subject: Re: OT: Peter Gabriel Concert Sound In-reply-to: <116.1c12cbb3.2b30672a@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=MS_Mac_OE_3122954276_153624_MIME_Part User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3122954276_153624_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit San Jose, CA Only saw one other show at the San Jose Arena and the sound for that was unspeakably bad. For the the Blind Boys of Alabama it was so boomy and loud we had to leave till they were done otherwise he pain would have ruined the rest of the show. For Peter's set and the two brothers from africa who sang and played and danced all amazingly set it seemed perfect..Went to every tour starting with the second album( White Shadow, On the air, etc.) it seems he's only gotten way better(minus some of the pop elements like "sledgehammer" for me). the link to his site, which is a wonder all by itself and he does mention looping as a source of inspiration in some of the clips. glenn on 12/17/02 3:40 AM, PJBMHB@aol.com at PJBMHB@aol.com wrote: Howdy, How was the sound at the PG shows? My wife and sis-in-law saw him last month and said the sound was not very good. I'm curious to hear what people thought of other shows. They saw him in CT. =-) PJ --MS_Mac_OE_3122954276_153624_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: OT: Peter Gabriel Concert Sound San Jose, CA  Only saw one other show at the San Jose Arena and the so= und for that was unspeakably bad. For the the Blind Boys of Alabama it was s= o boomy and loud we had to leave till they were done otherwise he pain would= have ruined the rest of the show.  For Peter's set and the two brother= s from africa who sang and played and danced all amazingly set it seemed per= fect..Went to every tour starting with the second album( White Shadow, On th= e air, etc.) it seems he's only gotten way better(minus some of the pop elem= ents like "sledgehammer" for me).  the link to his site, whic= h is a wonder all by itself and he does mention looping as a source of inspi= ration in some of the clips.

glenn



on 12/17/02 3:40 AM, PJBMHB@aol.com at PJBMHB@aol.com wrote:

Howdy,
          How was the so= und at the PG shows? My wife and sis-in-law saw him last month and said the = sound was not very good. I'm curious to hear what people thought of other sh= ows. They saw him in CT.         =3D-)= PJ


--MS_Mac_OE_3122954276_153624_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 14:20:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19983; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:17:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:17:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <102.216edae8.2b30a5a7@aol.com> References: <102.216edae8.2b30a5a7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:17:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: OT: Peter Gabriel Concert Sound Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1171969873==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1171969873==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I saw PG in Detroit and I thought the sound was pretty decent >myself. -I could even understand what PG was saying when he >spoke...something I usually have trouble with. I thought the Blind >Boys of Alabama came across well too. Intelligibility was fine in the Oakland arena, at least my seat, thanks probably to the line arrays. But the midrange sounded sadly distorted quite a bit more often than any previous pg show I've heard. The signature bass drum hit at the end of a few numbers sure did come through, though! And the quieter parts sounded fine. At arena shows, I imagine Scotty at the FOH, crying "Cap'n! I'm givin' the equalizers all I've got, but we got a problem in the time domain, sir. She canna take much more! You can't just go rewriting the laws of physics, cap'n!" But the 'Us' tour changed my mind about all that, the audio somehow maintained warp factor 9 throughout the episode. Somehow that wasn't the case last Saturday night. > >What I was bummed with was the reaction of the crowd! Too many >polite and quiet people sitting on their hands. You gotta let the >artist feel some love...this was Detroit Rock City for crying out >loud! ha ha -Todd Didn't have that problem in Oaktown. He thanked the audience several times for giving them such a good night, and it struck my companions as a comment that seemed to have some real meaning behind it. --============_-1171969873==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: OT: Peter Gabriel Concert Sound
I saw PG in Detroit and I thought the sound was pretty decent myself.  -I could even understand what PG was saying when he spoke...something I usually have trouble with.  I thought the Blind Boys of Alabama came across well too.

Intelligibility was fine in the Oakland arena, at least my seat, thanks probably to the line arrays. But the midrange sounded sadly distorted quite a bit more often than any previous pg show I've heard. The signature bass drum hit at the end of a few numbers sure did come through, though! And the quieter parts sounded fine.

At arena shows, I imagine Scotty at the FOH, crying "Cap'n! I'm givin' the equalizers all I've got, but we got a problem in the time domain, sir. She canna take much more! You can't just go rewriting the laws of physics, cap'n!" But the 'Us' tour changed my mind about all that, the audio somehow maintained warp factor 9 throughout the episode.
Somehow that wasn't the case last Saturday night.



What I was bummed with was the reaction of the crowd!  Too many polite and quiet people sitting on their hands.  You gotta let the artist feel some love...this was Detroit Rock City for crying out loud!  ha ha  -Todd

Didn't have that problem in Oaktown. He thanked the audience several times for giving them such a good night, and it struck my companions as a comment that seemed to have some real meaning behind it.
--============_-1171969873==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 15:16:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24283; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:15:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:15:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:16:16 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's --> mathematic processes cnanging your hearing To: Per Boysen , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003401c2a609$4f4da400$1912be18@Douglas> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per Boysen wrote: > One thing he said was very interesting IMO: "It changes the way you hear > music when you start working with mathematic processes". Can someone on > this list tell about similar experiences? Briefly: Draw the chromatic scale out like a twelve-pointed circle - a dodecahedron - and note the locations of various chords and scales on this circle. This simple geometric view of intervals will quickly reveal numerous patterns in the music you care to chart in this way, and in the construction of music generally. Now I often "hear" these shapes and associate the shapes with certain sounds. I am amazed that this simple process is not used in music education. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 16:01:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26706; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:58:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:58:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021217205734.73246.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:57:34 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: LOOPING TOUR of EUROPE/BRITISH ISLES 2003 (Looking for loopers to play with) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <011101c2a55a$62cae920$8064f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick, How are you? Like i sad i can hook up a couple of gigs for you here in southern germany and maybe play together i would obviously need some sort of promo pack from you.Another alternative is to give you some adresses and you can send them your info. directly.I know michael peters and Rainer would be interested as well Let me know i think it would be fun to jam and loop together! cu L.a > Hi Loopers in Europe and the British Isles, > > I am embarking on a solo live looping tour of Europe > and > the British Isles this coming summer. > > I already have dates tentatively in Sweden, > Germany,Switzerland, Italy, > France, the British Isles and Spain. > > I would love it if anyone would be interested in > helping me to find a gig or produce a LIVE LOOPING > FESTIVAL > in your home town during my trip. > > I will probably be in Sweden for the last two weeks > of May; > in Northern Continental Europe for the first couple > of weeks > of June, in the British Isles for the last couple > of weeks of > June and in Southern Europe for the first couple of > weeks of July. > These times are still tentative and will solidify as > more dates > get booked. > > I would love to book more gigs in Norway, Finland, > Holland, Denmark, Belgium > and Germany. I would also love to book a gig or two > in Scotland which I > would > dearly love to visit. > > How I'm doing most shows is joining a local looper > who will do a solo set, > then I will do a solo set and then we will finish > off the evening > (or afternoon) with a duet improvisational set. > > What I would need from anyone willing to help me > book a gig would would be: > > 1) for you to book a venue for a performance: > a) in can be a paid performance or a free > performance whichever is the > easiest to produce > b) I have a lot of experience booking gigs and > festivals so I can advise > you > if you feel like taking on such a project > but don't have experience > yourself > c) the venue could be: a house concert, a pub, > a coffeeshop, a > bookstore > a museum, an art > gallery, a nightclub, an > outdoor > ampitheater.........IT > DOES NOT have to be a > typical > place for presenting > music........I have > convinced > many coffee shops and > bookstores to host a free > concert. > > 2) to have a place for my wife and I to stay > (including throwing a sleeping > bag) > that is a CAT-FREE environment (because I am > deathly allergic to the > cute > little creatures) or recommendations for an > inexpensive hotel that we > can stay at. > 3) willingness to publicize the gig (which I can > help with as my new > website > should be launching at the start of the new > year with photos, vid > clips, > audio clips, bios and press) > 4) P.A. speakers, an amplifier and , hopefully (but > not necessarily) > monitors > (I will be travelling with a Mackie 1402 mixer, > microphones, effects and > instruments). > > > If more than one looper from your town or area > participates we can call the > show > a Looping Festival which will allow us to get two to > three times as much > publicity > and two to three times as many people. > > Please e-mail me off list if this interests you or > if you want to help me > out. > > GLOBAL@cruzio.com > > I will, of course, be willing to do the same thing > here in California for > anyone > who helps me out. > > I look forward to meeting you and gigging with you. > > yours, appreciatively, Rick Walker > > > > ===== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 17:38:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02936; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:34:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:34:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Elliot sharp's --> mathematic processes cnanging your hearing Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:34:32 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002901c2a61c$7831cd20$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003401c2a609$4f4da400$1912be18@Douglas> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA02915 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] > > Per Boysen wrote: > > One thing he said was very interesting IMO: "It changes the way you > > hear music when you start working with mathematic processes". Can > > someone on this list tell about similar experiences? > > Briefly: Draw the chromatic scale out like a twelve-pointed > circle - a dodecahedron - and note the locations of various > chords and scales on this circle. This simple geometric view > of intervals will quickly reveal numerous patterns in the > music you care to chart in this way, and in the construction > of music generally. Now I often "hear" these shapes and > associate the shapes with certain sounds. I am amazed that > this simple process is not used in music education. Douglas > Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net Very interesting, indeed! This system implies certain audible characteristics of, for example, "triangular" scales and chords as well as... he, he.. "squarish" songs ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 18:59:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08792; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:58:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:58:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c2a627$685743c0$030aa8c0@powerpack> Reply-To: "Michael C. Gorman" From: "Michael C. Gorman" To: References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <003401c2a609$4f4da400$1912be18@Douglas> Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's --> mathematic processes cnanging your hearing Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:52:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <6SPOg.A.OJC.co7_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug, check out this guys enneagram study of music. Sound familiar? http://www.awakenings.com/properties/ So these and Doug's are examples of geometric mathematical processes. And of course the circle of fourths / fifths. Jim and I are also working on similar processes for transforming from mode to mode (for a given root note) that follows the cycle of fourths or fifths, in a way very similar to the way this cycle relates to key changes For me, the geometry helps me to see relations that I might not hear otherwise. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: "Per Boysen" ; Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's --> mathematic processes cnanging your hearing > Per Boysen wrote: > > One thing he said was very interesting IMO: "It changes the way you hear > > music when you start working with mathematic processes". Can someone on > > this list tell about similar experiences? > > Briefly: Draw the chromatic scale out like a twelve-pointed circle - a > dodecahedron - and note the locations of various chords and scales on this > circle. This simple geometric view of intervals will quickly reveal numerous > patterns in the music you care to chart in this way, and in the construction > of music generally. Now I often "hear" these shapes and associate the shapes > with certain sounds. I am amazed that this simple process is not used in > music education. > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 19:21:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13004; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:20:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:20:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DFFB16B.6E86AD95@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:21:16 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's --> mathematic processes cnanging your hearing References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <003401c2a609$4f4da400$1912be18@Douglas> <001901c2a627$685743c0$030aa8c0@powerpack> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting article. Fripp is a big follower of Gurdjieff. To my understanding, he based a lot of his Guitar Craft philosophy on his methods. Mark Sottilaro "Michael C. Gorman" wrote: > Doug, check out this guys enneagram study of music. Sound familiar? > http://www.awakenings.com/properties/ > > So these and Doug's are examples of geometric mathematical processes. And of > course the circle of fourths / fifths. Jim and I are also working on similar > processes for transforming from mode to mode (for a given root note) that > follows the cycle of fourths or fifths, in a way very similar to the way > this cycle relates to key changes For me, the geometry helps me to see > relations that I might not hear otherwise. > > Mike > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 20:10:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16878; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:07:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:07:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:10:37 -0500 Subject: Re: looping publicity From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004101c29b79$ca14bce0$8a444ed5@bigboy> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3123000637_928594_MIME_Part" X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out001.verizon.net from [141.149.185.187] at Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:06:43 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <4gaHpD.A.kHE.Fp8_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3123000637_928594_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Steve-- Thanks for your message-- it's encouraging to hear from other loopers and especially other bass loopers. I took a look at your website and listened to some of your music-- I'll just mention one thing that struck me-- the swells on drifting are really beautiful, and the sort of arpeggiated stuff that comes afterwards is great (don't know if it's a trade secret, but I'd love to know how you did the arpegiations-- is it whammy pedal?). I wanted to write back to you because I am working to establish myself as a solo bass-looping performer, and am interested in networking with other folks like yourself who are also exploring that direction. You seem to be having a fair degree of success in terms of tours, clinics, etc., and I was wondering if you might have any advice to offer on how to create those opportunities. I'm doing okay locally here in Boston, but would definitely like to go further with it. Thanks so much, Dan ps-- In the next month, we'll be re-organizing the envelope website (link below) to be more of a fair split between the solo work (ghost 7) and the duo (Oranje), and when we do that, there will be a lot more solo pieces on the site-- there's only a small taste right now. -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net on 12/4/02 4:44 AM, Steve Lawson at steve@steve-lawson.co.uk wrote: that's a very good write up, Dan... and what's more, they mention flying saucer attack!! Not a name I've heard for quite a while (an ex-girlfriend of mine's sister is/was in the band) good stuff! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk --MS_Mac_OE_3123000637_928594_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: looping publicity Hi Steve--

Thanks for your message-- it's encouraging to hear from other loopers and e= specially other bass loopers.

I took a look at your website and listened to some of your music-- I'll jus= t mention one thing that struck me-- the swells on drifting are really beaut= iful, and the sort of arpeggiated stuff that comes afterwards is great (don'= t know if it's a trade secret, but I'd love to know how you did the arpegiat= ions-- is it whammy pedal?).

I wanted to write back to you because I am working to establish myself as a= solo bass-looping performer, and am interested in networking with other fol= ks like yourself who are also exploring that direction. You seem to be havin= g a fair degree of success in terms of tours, clinics, etc., and I was wonde= ring if you might have any advice to offer on how to create those opportunit= ies. I'm doing okay locally here in Boston, but would definitely like to go = further with it.

Thanks so much,

Dan

ps-- In the next month, we'll be re-organizing the envelope website (link b= elow) to be more of a fair split between the solo work (ghost 7) and the duo= (Oranje), and when we do that, there will be a lot more solo pieces on the = site-- there's only a small taste right now.

--
ghost 7/ Oranje
http://envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@verizon.net









on 12/4/02 4:44 AM, Steve Lawson at steve@steve-lawson.co.uk wrote:

that's a very good write up, Dan... and what's more, they menti= on flying
saucer attack!! Not a name I've heard for quite a while (an ex-girlfriend o= f
mine's sister is/was in the band)

good stuff!

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk

--MS_Mac_OE_3123000637_928594_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 20:32:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18313; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:31:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:31:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:34:40 -0500 Subject: 'scuse me From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out001.verizon.net from [141.149.185.187] at Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:30:47 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oops-- sorry all-- I mean to send that last one to Steve, not to the LD list. Dan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 23:42:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32182; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:33:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:33:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:33:51 -0800 Subject: Re: Stereo Mixers From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3DFDF3A4.70B2A6BA@ernieball.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a 1642 VLZpro. I have used the subs as stereo sends but the annoyance there is that the per channel switching is then just in or out and I've still got to move the sub faders in parallel to keep the levels matched. On top of that I've still got 4 mono sends. Now, true, mono works great for the EDP, but I've got a lot of stereo effects and I'd like some real stereo sends. I haven't checked out the LM-3204. They don't seem to show up all that often. Mark P.S. Despite the frustrations with limited stereo routing support, the Mackie is one of the purchases I've been happier about. on 12/16/02 7:39 AM, Engineering at hans@ernieball.com wrote: > I like the Mackie LM-3204, which has two mono and two stereo effect > sends (only the mono OR the stereo are available at any given time per > channel). All of its inputs are mono/stereo. The MONITOR bus also > makes a nice stereo send, as does the AUX 3/4 bus. > > -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 23:42:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32632; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:40:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:40:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:40:16 -0800 Subject: Re: Stereo Mixers From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 12/17/02 8:33 PM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote: > I haven't checked out the LM-3204. They don't seem to show up all that > often. Mackie no longer makes line mixers. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 23:51:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00737; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:49:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:49:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: Programming help! FCB1010 for EDP Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:53:07 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Everyone, I just rewired my rack and floorboard using the Behringer FCB1010 to control my EDP (and POD, effects and GR-33) and I am having trouble figuring out how to program the FCB1010 to control the EDP and I have a gig tomorrow night(Wed 12/18). Basically wanting to have the first 5 switches on each bank control these basic functions Switch 1-Record Switch 2-Overdub Switch 3-Multiply Switch 4-Undo Switch 5-Mute with an occasional Switch 6-Next Loop. Can anybody help me out here? I'm not completely ignorant here..I used to have a custom Bob Bradshaw rig: CAE RS-10 controlling multiple amps, effects, and switchers but this FCB1010 things seems to be a little more complex. (Of course Bob helped set that rig up originally and showed me how to program stuff so it's not like I did it from scratch but I understand the basics of MIDI). I would be a grateful for anyone's knowledgeable QUICK response!! -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 00:41:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05340; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:41:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:41:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: Programming Help Averted! Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:44:56 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok..so I jumped the gun. I figured it out...wasn't really that hard. I got confused with the velocity deal at first but figured out you don't need to enter that when programming notes on the FCB1010. Signed, A very happy MIDI camper... -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 01:09:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08013; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:09:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:09:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217204801.00b34798@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:08:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: Stereo Mixers In-Reply-To: References: <3DFDF3A4.70B2A6BA@ernieball.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've seen a bunch of them out there. When I was checking them out, there would always be at least one on eBay: http://cq-search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?GetResult&query=mackie+LM* http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?GetResult&query=mackie+LM* Look at the price trend lately! On the LM, the monitor bus is post-fader, so SOLO works really well as a stereo "Looper Send". It also allows one to send the main mix when no SOLO button is pressed. I think that ALT 3/4 is also post-fader, plus there is an "ALT 3/4 to Main" or "to RTN" (I can't remember which) button, so one doesn't even have to do any tricky routing to get it to operate essentially the same as the monitor bus for a second, stereo "To Looper". On other Mackies, one could probably "Y" the Alt 3/4 L/R outs and return them to a Stereo Channel (don't press ALT 3/4 on that channel) or Return for the same effect, although I'm sure some brainiac is going to remind us all why one shouldn't "Y" the outputs at this point.... -Hans At 20:33 17/12/2002, you wrote: >I've got a 1642 VLZpro. I have used the subs as stereo sends but the >annoyance there is that the per channel switching is then just in or out and >I've still got to move the sub faders in parallel to keep the levels >matched. On top of that I've still got 4 mono sends. Now, true, mono works >great for the EDP, but I've got a lot of stereo effects and I'd like some >real stereo sends. > >I haven't checked out the LM-3204. They don't seem to show up all that >often. > >Mark > >P.S. Despite the frustrations with limited stereo routing support, the >Mackie is one of the purchases I've been happier about. > >on 12/16/02 7:39 AM, Engineering at hans@ernieball.com wrote: > > > I like the Mackie LM-3204, which has two mono and two stereo effect > > sends (only the mono OR the stereo are available at any given time per > > channel). All of its inputs are mono/stereo. The MONITOR bus also > > makes a nice stereo send, as does the AUX 3/4 bus. > > > > -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 01:25:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08725; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:22:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:22:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: Programming Help Still Needed!!! Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:25:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, I thought I was cool but when I tried it out the loop played for the first cycle and then stopped. So maybe I need the velocity although I have not figured that out. So help is still needed. I'm posting all this in real time as it goes down so that if I can't figure it out hopefully someone can save me before my gig. Thanks my looping brothas from otha mothas! (and sistas) -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 02:15:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12272; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:14:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:14:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:13:34 -0500 From: Lee Barnes Subject: RE: OT: Peter Gabriel if you can In-reply-to: <3DFEBF4F.E08AD7D@zerocrossing.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear all, LOL! Hate to say it, but I really dug the fact that he did that one very stripped down, though I have to admit, I would've loved to have heard him sing that one at least for a verse or chorus or two in German. Many moons ago when he played in DC (before the "This End Up" Tour") he did that for us with a slight introduction saying that he had re-released a few of his albums where he was singing in German, in an attempt to be more Worldly... Larry was with him then providing a few atmospherics... Later on he tried doing what we heard this go around and the audience was a little too loud in their cries for "Biko" so he didn't finish the song. For the MCI Center in DC, the Blind Boys of Alabama were incredible, however a bit over-powering, kinda reminded me of a slightly more sedate version of Mahavishnu Orchestra. Really was incredible to hear their version of "Amazing Grace" played to "House of the Rising Sun." Took the sound guys a bit to start dropping their levels down a bit. Kinda irked me that I'd never heard of this group prior, ... I'd like to hear a bit more of them live, and it really felt that we just got the barest of nibbles as to just how good this group was. When Dr. Hukwe Zawose and his nephew came out in traditional garb immediately afterwards playing far softer and to be honest with a real difficult task to trying to come on after an incredible opening act, they did a wonderful job. Haven't seen a pair of people play with more enjoyment before! The sound guys, I think missed out on giving these two a bit more in levels, however due to seating, I believe, they were incredible. Was also glad that this go around we didn't hear people screaming "Peter" all through their set. Again, this seemed to be awfully short... Finally, Peter and crowd came on. A few small feedback issues, a few oddities in performance (won't say too much more, so as to not spoil the surprises) and poor Rachel Z totally missing it for "In Your Eyes" for the keyboard solo later. Loved that Peter made the point of bringing out both the Blind Boys of Alabama and Dr. Hukwe Zawose for different songs. Felt like we got to hear a really good sampling of what Peter has done before and has done recently off of his new album. Was wonderful to hear at least one song off of (nearly) every album he's done, though as I stated earlier, he didn't do any in German, which was a partial shame as some of his songs take on a slightly different sound when he changes languages. Will only hint that for one of the songs, he does an even better "Slipperman" and the sound/mic technicians did an insanely good job. This was also probably one of my more favourite songs ("Growing Up") of the concert, let alone Peter chasing most of his back up band, especially Daniel Rhodes and Tony Levin around the outer edge of the rotating stage. "Downside Up" looked like his daughter was going to pass out for the special stuff they did for that song earlier in show. Not sure what looper he was using, but there were a few short loops that were going around during the show from Peter's end more so than Rachel Z's. Highly recommend this show, and am looking forward to the new disks that Peter was talking about recording fairly soon. L8r on, Lee -----Original Message----- From: Mark [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Peter Gabriel if you can Friends of ours called us 2 hours before the show because they had gotten free tics! Woo hoo! It was a fine show indeed. However, he did "Here Comes the Flood" with no Frippatronics intro. Sure would have been nice if he sparked up one of those JamMan he writes about in the liner notes. Mark Sottilaro glenn wrote: > > Don't know where he's headed from San Jose, but it it's near anyone on list, > even if you have to sell a piece of gear to go as i did, it's SO much more > than worth it. Like a fine wine.... > > glenn > > -"hug a middle eastern person today" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 02:36:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13396; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:36:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:36:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021218073613.82324.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:36:13 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200212171920.OAA20249@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Say wha?! That's weird! :-) Actually, in Cleveland, the sound was relatively good. Except when I go to Clevleand Orchestra concerts at Severance Hall, I've worn earplugs to every show I've seen (even Tori Amos and Roy Harper) since 1994, so I didn't have a problem with it being too loud. I did have a hard time hearing Tony Levin's bass. There was this big, gargatuan, but somehow not clearly defined low end through the whole set. But the rest of the band sounded mostly fine. As for audience reaction, we had about a 50/50 mix of people who were "into it" and those who seemed to be less so. During In Your Eyes, for instance, there was a lot of people doing the thing with the arms that Gabriel and Yousou N'Dour do in the video (and which Gabriel and the two African guys were doing in the show), but also quite a few people who couldn't be bothered. I, of course, was one of the former. I like to get into the spirit of things. I liked The Blind Boys From Alabama way more than I thought I would. They sounded great, and a lot of the crowd seemed to be getting to hearing them as well. Now, what I want to know is, how was the attendance at the shows you guys saw? In Cleveland, Gund Arena was about 2/3's at best full. There were a LOT of empty seats. In fact, I saw a lot of people disappear after The Blind Boys' set. I figured maybe they went to use the bathroom or something, but they never came back. Then, after the show, I saw the one guy who had been sitting next to me at the outset, and he said he moved down to a nicer, unoccupied seat closer to the stage. Well, Peter, his band, The Blind Boys and the Tanzanians (I think they were Tanzanian, I have to check the tour program, which isn't immediately handy) all played their hearts out for us. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 02:58:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14331; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:57:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:57:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Programming help! FCB1010 for EDP Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 08:57:55 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <005501c2a66b$2c8ec220$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id CAA14306 Resent-Message-ID: <1B50-C.A.1fD.GqCA-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: ARTHUR LEE MUSIC [mailto:arthurlee@arthurleemusic.com] > Hey Everyone, > I just rewired my rack and floorboard using the Behringer > FCB1010 to control my EDP (and POD, effects and GR-33) and I > am having trouble figuring out how to program the FCB1010 to > control the EDP and I have a gig tomorrow night(Wed 12/18). > Basically wanting to have the first 5 switches on each bank control > these basic functions Switch 1-Record Switch 2-Overdub > Switch 3-Multiply > Switch 4-Undo Switch 5-Mute > with an occasional Switch 6-Next Loop. > > Can anybody help me out here? Arthur, Set the "note on" funktion of the FCB1010 to send on the midi channel that your EDP is listening to. Then program the foot pads to send midi not on over that channel. Check the EDP (or LOOP4) manual to find out about which notes to use. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 04:38:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21734; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 04:37:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 04:37:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.1dc82d92.2b319be5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 04:37:41 EST Subject: Re: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > That does sound promising. I wanted some sends for my echopro,FF, multi etc. > > as well, but Behringer can get you to give them a chance on price alone. > What is that ultralink pro, $80? they have a price list on the website, $99.99 RRP so maybe $80+ if there's a dealer who buys them in bulk . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 05:05:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24392; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 05:05:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 05:05:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <71.2a93e9a2.2b31a22b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 05:04:27 EST Subject: Re: -> mathematic processes cnanging your hearing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Per Boysen wrote: > > One thing he said was very interesting IMO: "It changes the way you hear > > music when you start working with mathematic processes". Can someone on > > this list tell about similar experiences? > > Briefly: Draw the chromatic scale out like a twelve-pointed circle - a > dodecahedron - and note the locations of various chords and scales on this > circle. This simple geometric view of intervals will quickly reveal numerous > patterns in the music Take any genre of music, and it's possible to work out an underlying mathematics for whats going on. examples, strict laws of harmony in JSBach's music, only 3 chords in a basic blues very strict guidelines on instrumentation and tempo for dance genres always play in 4/4 it's what the punters like avoid recognisable harmonic + rhythmic structures etc. etc. So to some extent you can work back from the maths and recreate a similar music. Modern composers have been known to start with a mathematical process (serialism for instance) and work with it to see what it sounds like. Theoretically a way to produce fresh new music. Xenakis uses the maths from architecture to determine where the notes go. Listening to his music there's a sense of an unusual type of regularity. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 07:38:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01714; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:34:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:34:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021218232623.027504d0@phaesler.org> X-Sender: woz@phaesler.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:28:28 +1100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Woz Subject: Electro Harmonix 16 Sec Delay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember hearing some of you guys talking about this delay awhile ago and just spotted it in the gear classifieds on Harmony central. Thought you'd like to know it's for sale.

Electro Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay-RARE FIND
Asking Price: US$N/A
Condition: Excellent
Age: N/A
Description:
This is the pedal of all pedals.
A vintage Electro Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay.
works fine.
Serious Inquiries only please.
Top Dollar Only
Buyer pays shipping.
AS IS.
Seller: T. O.,
E-mail: eh16secdd at aol.com (Profile)
Post Date: 12/17/2002
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 07:49:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02417; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:46:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:46:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021218233936.02754810@phaesler.org> X-Sender: woz@phaesler.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:40:11 +1100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Woz Subject: Echoplex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <08M9FC.A.rl.X4GA-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's another find....

Echoplex EP-3 for trade
Asking Price: US$N/A
Condition: Good
Age: N/A
Description:
I've got an Echoplex EP-3 from the early 1970s. It's in fair to good cosmetic condition and very good mechanical condition (will give you specifics on request). I just had it gone over by a tech and had the tape cartridge replaced with a new one and the belt replaced. I am looking to do a straight trade for an original Digitech Whammy WH-1 (not reissue) or a partial trade for some pedals in the Ibanez '808' series, specifically PQ-401, OD-855 or OD-850. Please let me know what you have got and have good pictures to send. Thanks!
Seller: Tim Privitera,
E-mail: tprivitera at nc.rr.com (Profile)
Post Date: 12/14/2002
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 09:54:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10947; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:50:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:50:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:41:56 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's --> mathematic processes cnanging your hearing To: Per Boysen , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002f01c2a6a4$9c158aa0$1912be18@Douglas> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <002901c2a61c$7831cd20$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Resent-Message-ID: <7I8NS.A.9qC.CtIA-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Per Boysen wrote: > > > One thing he said was very interesting IMO: "It changes the way you > > > hear music when you start working with mathematic processes". Can > > > someone on this list tell about similar experiences? > > > > Briefly: Draw the chromatic scale out like a twelve-pointed > > circle - a dodecahedron - and note the locations of various > > chords and scales on this circle. This simple geometric view > > of intervals will quickly reveal numerous patterns in the > > music you care to chart in this way, and in the construction > > of music generally. Now I often "hear" these shapes and > > associate the shapes with certain sounds. I am amazed that > > this simple process is not used in music education. Douglas > > Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net > > Very interesting, indeed! This system implies certain audible > characteristics of, for example, "triangular" scales and chords as well > as... he, he.. "squarish" songs ;-) Exactly. I think it's great fun to discover these for yourself, so I won't give away the shapes, but I will say it gives a whole new meaning to "symmetric" scales and equivalent chords! You'll see in a whole new way WHY C7b5 and F#7b5 are the same. Loop content: when I'm looping long dronal things and I want to move from one key or tonal center to another, I often choose them according to their placement on the circle and my associations with that placement. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 09:54:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10933; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:50:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:50:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:47:56 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's --> mathematic processes cnanging your hearing To: "Michael C. Gorman" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003001c2a6a4$9c265380$1912be18@Douglas> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001901c2a627$685743c0$030aa8c0@powerpack> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Gorman wrote: > Doug, check out this guys enneagram study of music. Sound familiar? > http://www.awakenings.com/properties/ Thanks, Mike! I will need to print this out and read through it, but I've had some reservations about the enneagram/major scale analysis for many years. I'll discuss off-list if you want to drop me an e-line. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 13:47:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29975; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:43:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:43:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000411630@pop3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:33:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Katja Subject: mathematic processes & tone clock In-Reply-To: <003401c2a609$4f4da400$1912be18@Douglas> References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Dutch composer Peter Schat works with a tonal system visualised by the dodecahedron since long. He calls it 'Toonklok', Tone Clock. In his view, all possible triads within the clock (the 'hours', starting with a triad based on two minor second intervals) have meaning in relation to each other, just like the classical triads within major and minor scales have. With the important difference that the Tone Clock offers so many more possibilities. All of Schat's music of the past decades is based on it. He promotes the system wherever and whenever he can, but seems to have little succes. The trouble is, you have to listen to this kind of music quite often before you actually hear the interrelations. For the casual listener it does not distinguish itself from other 'difficult' modern composed music. And because very few composers work this way we might not live the day the audience will enjoy this music on a large scale. You can check some of the Tone Clock theory on www.xs4all.nl/~taede/toonklok/main-e.html. Katja Vetter. Douglas wrote: >Briefly: Draw the chromatic scale out like a twelve-pointed circle - a >dodecahedron - and note the locations of various chords and scales on this >circle. This simple geometric view of intervals will quickly reveal numerous >patterns in the music you care to chart in this way, and in the construction >of music generally. Now I often "hear" these shapes and associate the shapes >with certain sounds. I am amazed that this simple process is not used in >music education. >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 14:22:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01065; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:21:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:21:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: Prgramming FCB1010 Update Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:25:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok now we're cool. It turns out you need to globally program All the MIDI functions first with a new unit otherwise the FCB 1010 sends unwanted signals to the EDP causing it to do weird things (like set the feeback control to zero causing your loop to play only once.) Loop on! -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 15:47:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07177; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:38:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:38:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:38:13 EST Subject: Re: OT-Peter Gabriel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f3.25b1b57b.2b3236b5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f3.25b1b57b.2b3236b5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To be fair, the reaction in Detroit wasn't completely horrible, just not as enthusiastic as I would've liked. I saw Dead Can Dance in Ann Arbor a while back and the crowd was so over the top you could tell it made an impression on the band and the level of energy in the nights performance. I actually had the good fortune of running into the band with my friends on the way home and we all closed out their hotel bar. Brendan Perry said that he and the band were astounded at the crowds reaction and said that they hadn't had a better show on the tour (except for Paris I believe). Attendance was also low in Detroit. When I went to my section I found that they were re-seating everyone in the upper sections...looks like they consolidated all the seating above to two sections opposite each other, leaving the other two 'ends' empty! Oh well. -Todd --part1_f3.25b1b57b.2b3236b5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To be fair, the reaction in Detroit wasn't completely horrible, just not as enthusiastic as I would've liked.  I saw Dead Can Dance in Ann Arbor a while back and the crowd was so over the top you could tell it made an impression on the band and the level of energy in the nights performance.  I actually had the good fortune of running into the band with my friends on the way home and we all closed out their hotel bar.  Brendan Perry said that he and the band were astounded at the crowds reaction and said that they hadn't had a better show on the tour (except for Paris I believe).

Attendance was also low in Detroit.  When I went to my section I found that they were re-seating everyone in the upper sections...looks like they consolidated all the seating above to two sections opposite each other, leaving the other two 'ends' empty!  Oh well.   -Todd
--part1_f3.25b1b57b.2b3236b5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 15:57:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07915; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:48:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:48:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021218202740.30992.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:27:40 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re:Fripp's gear (and Belew's, briefly) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200212030616.BAA17558@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> During most of the early 80's, he used a Roland G-303 pretty much exclusively. If you check out either of the two King Crimson concert videos that were put out from the Beat and Three Of A Perfect Pair tours, you can see that's the only guitar he plays through the whole of either concert (meanwhile, on the Beat concert, Adrian Belew switches off between three guitars: an old beat up and burnt Strat, an Ibanez Roadstar, and a Roland G-303...by the time of Three Of A Perfect Pair, he had scaled it down to two Fender Mustangs that had been equipped with Kahler tremolos, Roland guitar synth electronics, Strat style pickups and custom finishes). By the time of the Three Of A Perfect Pair tour, he had it modified with a Kahler tremolo system. Then, sometime in 84 or 85, he started playing a Tokai Les Paul copy, which he had fitted with a Kahler tremolo, the electronics for the Roland guitar synth, and I think he also said he had coil tap and phase switches installed for the regular guitar pickups. This appears to be the guitar he used on the Sunday All Over The World album, as well as his work with David Sylvian, and also the earliest Soundscapes concerts. Then, sometime around the time the Double Trio version of Crimson came together, he switched to using a Fernades Les Paul copy, which was customized in a similiar fashion to the Tokai. And while we're on a Crimson related note, I might point that I've recieved word that Belew's first three solo albums, the ones on Island, are being reissued in Japan, and DGM will be stocking them. Ooooh, I can't WAIT to finally have Twang Bar King on CD!!!!!! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 17:13:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16181; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:06:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:06:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.71; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:06:55 -0500 X-Epoch: 1040249215 X-Sasl-enc: 6UVkstmiTCng8bhx2olqFQ Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> Message-Id: <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:33:15 +0100, "Katja" said: > day the audience will enjoy this music on a large scale. You can check > some > of the Tone Clock theory on www.xs4all.nl/~taede/toonklok/main-e.html. > I find this very interesting, but I don't understand that website at all. For example he says "In the tone clock we find the fourths in the ninth hour". What does that mean? By the ninth hour, i assume he means where 9 would be on a regular clock, but I don't see how that has anything to with 4ths... Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 17:14:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16414; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:08:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:08:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c2a6df$990b2f00$6187abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <20021218202740.30992.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re:Fripp's gear (and Belew's, briefly) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:51:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Richards" > Ooooh, I can't WAIT to finally have Twang > Bar King on CD!!!!!! me too ! luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 21:32:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01785; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:24:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:24:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:24:45 -0800 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> In-Reply-To: <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6WnVbC.A.zb.e3SA-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ernesto schnack wrote: >On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:33:15 +0100, "Katja" said: > > day the audience will enjoy this music on a large scale. You can check > > >>some >>of the Tone Clock theory on www.xs4all.nl/~taede/toonklok/main-e.html. >> >> >> > >I find this very interesting, but I don't understand that website at all. > For example he says "In the tone clock we find the fourths in the ninth >hour". What does that mean? By the ninth hour, i assume he means where 9 >would be on a regular clock, but I don't see how that has anything to >with 4ths... > >Ernesto > > Number theory in composition can be useful to the composer in trying to break out of established habits, but music composed by number for the sake of composing by number rarely works. Make music first, analyse later.... D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 22:12:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05189; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:05:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:05:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3E0129A0.61FFA421@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:06:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1S0JzC.A._QB.MeTA-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dgoat wrote: > > Number theory in composition can be useful to the composer in trying to > break out of established habits, but music composed by number for the > sake of composing by number rarely works. Make music first, analyse > later.... > > D.G. Amen to that my brother. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 23:42:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10230; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:37:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:37:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:35:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Number theory in composition can be useful to the composer in trying to break out of established habits, but music composed by number for the sake of composing by number rarely works. Make music first, analyse later...." absolutely!!! after spending the better part of 3 years coming up with ways to "play by number" and trying to get as technical and programmatic as possible, i found that the music only suffered. the numbers involved are often complicated enough on their own and basing music on numbers only yields sterile results, in my opinion. there are some that find this number-based music very interesting, but i doubt that it affects them any further than just being "interesting"...when you base your music on numbers, you often leave out a very important ingredient: heart and soul. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 01:35:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17217; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:33:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:33:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:26:22 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist 12.21.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge, this Saturday night as part of the following event. rob chalfen presents subconsciouscafe new chamber music series @ ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge 69 Bus from Harvard Gate Doors @ 8pm (exc. where noted) All shows $10 (exc. where noted) All ages PHONE: 617.876.6060 Saturday, 21 December -JAMES MERENDA TRIO -SMART LEONARD FIELD 10:00 JAMES MERENDA TRIO James Merenda - alto sax John Voigt - bass William Buchanan - batterie 8:30 WILL KEN NEIL Neil Leonard (alto saxophone) Ken Field (alto saxophone) Will Buchanan - drums ABOUT THE MUSICIANS: JOHN VOIGT has played with Billy Bang, Borah Bergman, Peter Brotzmann, Roy Campbell, Denis Charles, Marilyn Crispell, Andrew Cyrille, Stu Dempster, Bill Dixon, Paul Flaherty, Bill Frisell, Malcolm Goldstein, Milford Graves, Joseph Jarman, Keith Jarrett, Oliver Lake, Jeanne Lee, Joe McPhee, Jemeel Moondoc, Thurston Moore, Joe Morris, Lawrence "Butch" Morris, Paul Motian, Bern Nix, and Zenna Parkins. He has recorded for Aum Fidelity, Ayler Records, Eremite, Box Holder, and RRRecords (a video with T. Moore). Played at Bell Atlantic, Sound Unity, Fire In The Valley, and Vision Festivals. Many gigs at the Knitting Factory. He has published articles on Henry Grimes, Charles Mingus, Don Cherry, Morton Feldman. Voigt has lectured at the Institute of Jazz Studies; and taught at Berklee College, Boston Arts Academy and Massachusetts College of Art. Drummer and percussionist WILL BUCHANAN (b. 1976) has toured the US, Canada,Spain, Greece, and Russia to perform both serious and popular music concerts. Most recently, he has established himself as an active freelance player in the Boston area. His improvisational playing style has been described as a conjunctive synthesis of jazz, indie rock, african drumming, parade music, and minimalism. Alto saxophonist JAMES MERENDA - born in Brooklyn,NY,James has been performing in Boston for over 10 years -co-leading an original trio "Perilous Foil" .He has played with Joe Hunt,Barry Reis,Ran Blake,George Schuller,Ed Schuller,Mike Rivard,George Garzone,John McNeil,The Either Orchestra,The Ardvark Orchestra,Eric Rosenthal,John Voigt,Luther Gray.Recorded with Ran Blake on Hatology and has three independent recordings.Performing currently with Brandon Seabrook/Phantom Power Supply and leading an ongoing project performing compositions of Charles Mingus (the Masked Marvels). James brings these three musicians together for the first time - a must see - the second meeting of John Voigt and James - a further development in our longing for creative music. NEIL LEONARD has performed internationally, including in Spain, Cuba, Canada, Puerto Rico, Poland, Russia, and at New York's Carnegie Hall. He has worked with Don Byron, and has released his own experiments combining acoustic saxophones with computer-based processing systems. Leonard currently teaches at Berklee College of Music. KEN FIELD is a member of the group Birdsongs of the Mesozoic, and has released several CDs of his layered saxophone compositions and improvisations. He leads the Revolutionary Snake Ensemble, and also performs with the Board of Education and other groups. Field is in the process of preparing a masterclass CD for the Saxophone Journal. @ THE ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge 69 Bus from Harvard Gate all shows 8 pm all shows $10 or b/o all ages NEW PHONE: 617.876.6060 http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 02:56:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23197; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:55:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:55:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E017BB8.9307032B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:56:39 -0800 From: Marklar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: A Looping Holiday Gift to my pals on LD References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <3E0129A0.61FFA421@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, I recently met a vocalist named Maria and had an *amazing* jam. I hooked her up with my second Repeater and a Digitech DSP128. The rest is me and my drum machine. One take, so it's rough in spots. I caught a bit of it with Digital Performer 3 and have posted it as an mp3 for your listening pleasure. Enjoy my looping family. http://www.zerocrossing.net/mp3s/mark_maria12_02_edit.mp3 take care, Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 10:11:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22016; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:08:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:08:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c2a771$0346a660$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <3E0129A0.61FFA421@zerocrossing.net> <3E017BB8.9307032B@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Music Police! Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:12:12 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Music Police! Music Police! Music Police! Help! It's the Music Police! http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/officerdan3.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 10:27:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23167; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:26:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:26:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:26:03 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Music Police! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <040801c2a772$f1937b80$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <3E0129A0.61FFA421@zerocrossing.net> <3E017BB8.9307032B@zerocrossing.net> <002101c2a771$0346a660$0201a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Unbeknownst to him, he has also blown up a building." LOL! why am i supposed to believe that copying music supports terrorism? because it's TRUE! ----- Original Message ----- From: "S.P. Goodman" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Music Police! > Music Police! > Music Police! > Music Police! > > Help! It's the Music Police! > http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/officerdan3.htm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 10:28:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23541; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:28:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:28:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c2a387$da5f5b30$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:45:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I, too, went through a math music phase during my 6th and 7th year of development. It happened right about the time that I started being exposed to Fripp and the boys, coincidentally enough. I think that many loopers probably have experienced such periods. I do agree that once music becomes a mathematical experiment, it can lose "spirit" or "soul". However, I do not think that it should only be considered a tool for "breaking out of established habits". I am actually now in a period of phenomenal advances in my grasp of mathematical theory. I am 35 years old and in the last year blasted through some mental roadblock, which retarded my mathematical development since junior high or maybe even earlier. Umberto Eco, Douglas R. Hofstadter, programming, neural net theory, and music definitely opened my eyes to the mystical and philosophical nature of math and how it relates to intelligence and perception, perhaps even the soul. Mathematical understanding in the area of musical improvisation provides a link to instant creation. My mathematical revelations concerning the fret-board of my guitar or bouzouki are some of the most important. It is much easier now to hear a note or even a whole phrase in my head and then play them without having that transition or phrase in my repertoire or "licks". Mathematical analysis of any art is often separated from other methods of analysis in the mind of artists. However, I am beginning to think that the separation of math and language and music and sculpture and dance.. is actually a reflection of a lack of understanding of the nature of communication and perhaps thought, itself. Imagine a piece about the holocaust composed of the sounds made by percussive and tonal screams in Hebrew reflected on the walls of an incinerator in 666 measures. Here, music, math, language, and cultural iconism come together to create a unified if complex meaning. Of course, execution is vital, but without content, execution would never occur. Meaning is where you find it, and beauty, I believe, is rooted in meaning, somehow. I think of music as "mathy", already and looping as perhaps even more "mathy". Looping is, for me, a beautiful metaphor for the recursive algorithm which, in turn, is a beautiful metaphor for consciousness which, in turn, is a beautiful metaphor for the universe as we know it which in turn .. Do not fear an excess of math something, only fear a lack of meaning. Lance www.chanceinformation.info ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimfowler" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock > "Number theory in composition can be useful to the composer in trying to > break out of established habits, but music composed by number for the sake > of composing by number rarely works. Make music first, analyse later...." > > absolutely!!! after spending the better part of 3 years coming up with ways > to "play by number" and trying to get as technical and programmatic as > possible, i found that the music only suffered. the numbers involved are > often complicated enough on their own and basing music on numbers only > yields sterile results, in my opinion. there are some that find this > number-based music very interesting, but i doubt that it affects them any > further than just being "interesting"...when you base your music on numbers, > you often leave out a very important ingredient: heart and soul. > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 10:52:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25100; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:51:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:51:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:49:22 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <042301c2a776$333a1820$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> <001501c2a387$da5f5b30$69894682@lance> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Lance Chance wrote a bunch of stuff: >... >I, too, went through a math music phase during my 6th and 7th year of >development... >... excellent post. i'm also a fan of hofstadter. i never had a math block, so i have always known the connection between math and music and never understood why it was not obvious to everyone. > Do not fear an excess of math something, only fear a lack of meaning. why fear anything? what does meaning mean? anyone remember steve martins banjo bit where he uses his nose for the base? bplpllllinkkk "i dunno, this just has more MEANING to me..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 10:54:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25395; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:53:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:53:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <87.245f8611.2b33453a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:52:26 EST Subject: Re: A Looping Holiday Gift to my pals on LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA25374 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 12/18/02 11:56:33 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >I recently met a vocalist named Maria and had an *amazing* jam. >I hooked her up with my second Repeater and a Digitech DSP128. >The rest is me and my drum machine. One take, so it's rough in >spots. I caught a bit of it with Digital Performer 3 and have posted >it as an mp3 for your listening pleasure. . . . and a pleasure it is too. Just got done downloading and listening to it. The combination of what you do and what Maria does obviously makes for some really good musical chemistry. Do some more. Put out a CD. I'd bet it'd be great! I'd buy one. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 11:24:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28231; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:20:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:20:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:19:08 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock To: Katja , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a201c2a77a$79eb2ee0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Katja wrote: > Dutch composer Peter Schat works with a tonal system visualised by the > dodecahedron since long. He calls it 'Toonklok', Tone Clock. [snip] >He > promotes the system wherever and whenever he can, but seems to have little > succes. The trouble is, you have to listen to this kind of music quite > often before you actually hear the interrelations. For the casual listener > it does not distinguish itself from other 'difficult' modern composed > music. What can this tell us about the purpose of music? The Western system of twelve equally tempered pitches leads to all manner of patterning, largely because twelve is such a rich number. But simply because a pattern exists on a piece of paper does not mean that it has some inherently superior power. That is certainly one of my little discoveries in using dodecaphonic circles: what appears symmetric on the circle often sounds "cold" to our ears. However, exploring these patterns can give us new material to work with. Whether Peter Schat produced his music using the Tone Clock, Schoenbergian 12-tone technique, or scattering rice on blank music paper, the process is part of a larger world which needs to be considered as well. But thank you so much for the link! coyote From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 11:45:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29732; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:43:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:43:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c2a392$54a8b350$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> <001501c2a387$da5f5b30$69894682@lance> <042301c2a776$333a1820$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:00:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > why fear anything? > what does meaning mean? What a "hofstadterian" response, and the one that I probably would have made. I really like the Steve Martin reference. What a great way to describe the infinite distinction between intended meaning on the part of the sender (artist) and perceived meaning on the part of receiver (audience). I think that I'm gonna steal that one. With the fear thing, I think that what I was responding to was the cautions mentioned in the earlier posts in this thread about the use of math as a compositional tool. I have to say that even tho I didn't always grasp the meaning of math as well as I do now, I still understood it's importance to music and looping, in particular. Actually, my looping may have informed my math understanding more than the other way around, but I suppose that's chicken or egg stuff. In the end, I would have to say that I genuinely feared math in my time. > i never had a math block, so i have always known the connection > between math and music and never understood why it was > not obvious to everyone. And so what if you never had a math block, do you think that I care ;) Actually I'm not jealous of mathematicians at all, but mathematical artists start making me humble with the quickness. But i'm still working on it... lance chance ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock > >Lance Chance wrote a bunch of stuff: > >... > >I, too, went through a math music phase during my 6th and 7th year of > >development... > >... > > excellent post. > i'm also a fan of hofstadter. > i never had a math block, so i have always known the connection > between math and music and never understood why it was > not obvious to everyone. > > > Do not fear an excess of math something, only fear a lack of meaning. > > why fear anything? > what does meaning mean? > > anyone remember steve martins banjo bit where he uses his nose for the base? > bplpllllinkkk > "i dunno, this just has more MEANING to me..." > > www.chanceinformation.info . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 12:27:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00477; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:24:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:24:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1040318670!57232 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA76@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:18:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A782.9B78FDA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A782.9B78FDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>mathematical artists start making me humble with the quickness<< it's a fascinating relationship, for sure, but then analysing anything in terms of maths and numerology can be fascinating for a while. an ex-girlfriend of mine, who played the bass and sang, said that she found this easy because "it was just math" and not at all a matter of dividing one's concentration between two musical tasks. I struggled with this for a while, and only later realised that she was one of the least inspired bassists I'd ever heard. love is deaf, too. 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>>mathematical artists start making me humble with = the quickness<<
it's a fascinating relationship, for sure, but then anal= ysing anything in terms of maths and numerology can be fascinating for a wh= ile. an ex-girlfriend of mine, who played the bass and sang, said that she = found this easy because "it was just math" and not at all a matte= r of dividing one's concentration between two musical tasks. I struggled wi= th this for a while, and only later realised that she was one of the least = inspired bassists I'd ever heard. love is deaf, too.

(colleen, if you ever see this, I'm referring to someone = else. honest.)

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A782.9B78FDA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 12:32:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01029; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:31:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:31:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010d01c2a784$4628dd00$a05c4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <87.245f8611.2b33453a@aol.com> Subject: A Non-Looping Christmas Gift to my pals on LD :o) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:30:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I too have recently uploaded a new exclusive tune - this one is another with Jez Carr (pianist on my album, Conversations), but features precisely no loopage at all. It's just me and him, bass and piano, making a nice noise. It's in the MP3 section of my site, which can now be accessed via any of the following - www.steve-lawson.co.uk www.stevelawson.net www.steve-lawson.com - take your pick! :o) hope you enjoy it - the tune's called Beauty And The Beast, happy Christmas Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 12:41:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01664; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:40:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:40:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:43:38 -0500 Subject: Re: A Looping Holiday Gift to my pals on LD From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E017BB8.9307032B@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3123146618_367301_MIME_Part" X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out005.verizon.net from [141.149.184.219] at Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:39:40 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3123146618_367301_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Mark-- That's a nice piece-- the space and balance of timbres work really well. I particularly liked the somewhat more freeform beginning and ending sections. Thanks for posting it. Dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net 617-470-2087 on 12/19/02 2:56 AM, Marklar at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: Hey gang, I recently met a vocalist named Maria and had an *amazing* jam. I hooked her up with my second Repeater and a Digitech DSP128. The rest is me and my drum machine. One take, so it's rough in spots. I caught a bit of it with Digital Performer 3 and have posted it as an mp3 for your listening pleasure. Enjoy my looping family. http://www.zerocrossing.net/mp3s/mark_maria12_02_edit.mp3 take care, Mark --MS_Mac_OE_3123146618_367301_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: A Looping Holiday Gift to my pals on LD Hi Mark--

That's a nice piece-- the space and balance of timbres work really well. I = particularly liked the somewhat more freeform beginning and ending sections.=

Thanks for posting it.


Dan

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on 12/19/02 2:56 AM, Marklar at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:

Hey gang,

I recently met a vocalist named Maria and had an *amazing* jam.  I hoo= ked
her up with my second Repeater and a Digitech DSP128.  The rest is me = and my
drum machine.  One take, so it's rough in spots.  I caught a bit = of it with
Digital Performer 3 and have posted it as an mp3 for your listening
pleasure.

Enjoy my looping family.

http://www.zerocrossing.net/mp3s/mark_maria12_02_edit.mp3

take care,

Mark


--MS_Mac_OE_3123146618_367301_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 13:56:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08735; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:52:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:52:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021219184603.54552.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:46:03 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Stereo Mixers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217204801.00b34798@pop.charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the LM-3204 also, and like it a lot. I've always lusted after the XTRAMIXcxi, but don't have an extra $3500.00 lying about : www.speck.com/xmix_2.shtml Occasionallysionally they have refurbished units available for a few hundred $$ less. Stephen > hans@ernieball.com wrote: > > > > > I like the Mackie LM-3204, which has two mono > and two stereo effect > > > sends (only the mono OR the stereo are available > at any given time per > > > channel). All of its inputs are mono/stereo. > The MONITOR bus also > > > makes a nice stereo send, as does the AUX 3/4 > bus. > > > > > > -Hans ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 15:02:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17214; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:59:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:59:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c2a790$6981d200$fc2c93d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: Subject: free ticket for tomorrow night in Nyon Switzerland for a very loopy night Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:56:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes I'm playing tomorrow at the Usine a Gaz in Nyon as SeeWhat? door at 21h concert at 22h the secret password for a free ticket will be "Loopers Delight is looper's delight " only valid untill start of the concert and if you show up after the show I'll offer the beer I've been on LD for more than 4 years played almost 25 looping gigs since and never met one of you at the gig Please show up please please..... Happy Hollydayes all Claude More on the SeeWhat? project http://www.hexadance.ch/fr/edito/interview/itw_cvoit.htm http://www.hexadance.ch/fr/edito/hexasense/bdn_chatnoir.htm http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works_europe.html http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/ct_75/ct_75.html http://music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/acoustic/acoustic.html http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works_europe.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=0110021 74832 http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 15:05:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17669; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:04:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:04:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015b01c2a799$ab411800$a05c4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <002d01c2a790$6981d200$fc2c93d4@black> Subject: Re: free ticket for tomorrow night in Nyon Switzerland for a very loopy night Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:03:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude, dude, you gotta give us more notice, and find out what the nearest airport is to the venue that uses either RyanAir, Go or EastJet... :o) ..then I'll come and see you play! Loving your CD, BTW - excellent stuff! Cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:56 PM Subject: free ticket for tomorrow night in Nyon Switzerland for a very loopy night > Yes I'm playing tomorrow at the Usine a Gaz in Nyon as SeeWhat? door at 21h > concert at 22h > > the secret password for a free ticket will be "Loopers Delight is looper's > delight " only valid untill start of the concert > > and if you show up after the show I'll offer the beer > > I've been on LD for more than 4 years played almost 25 looping gigs since and > never met one of you at the gig > > Please show up please please..... > > > > Happy Hollydayes all > > Claude > > More on the SeeWhat? project > > http://www.hexadance.ch/fr/edito/interview/itw_cvoit.htm > http://www.hexadance.ch/fr/edito/hexasense/bdn_chatnoir.htm > http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works_europe.html > http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/ct_75/ct_75.html > http://music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/acoustic/acoustic.html > http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works_europe.html > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=011 0021 > 74832 > http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 15:15:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18868; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:14:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:14:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016c01c2a79b$01dc9d00$a05c4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <87.245f8611.2b33453a@aol.com> Subject: Advanced Warning of loads of Loop-intensive gigs in CA, USA in Jan/Feb 2003 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:12:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (here's how to do it Claude... :o) ...I've just updated the gig listing on my site, to include all my confirmed dates so far for CA in Jan/Feb Of particular loopalicious interest are a series of dates with Andre LaFosse and Rick Walker - all giving it large with our EDPs. It'll also include an EDP clinic at Bananas At Large. I've got loads of dates, spanning pretty much the length of California, from Anaheim to Sacramento, via lots of other places. Please come and say hi! See the list on my site at http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk have a great Christmas all, Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (where to spend your not-at-all-hard earned christmas money...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 16:06:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23029; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:03:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:03:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A7A1.ED5099FA" Subject: Guitarist Denis Taaffe update Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:02:23 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Guitarist Denis Taaffe update Thread-Index: AcKnpHSkjXrakhNMEdeZsERFU1QAAA== From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: , , "Sabine Clark" , "Gary Franklin" , "Keaston (E-mail)" , Cc: "Chris & Louise Hattingh" , "Brian Simmerman" , "Chuck Terrell (E-mail)" , "david Jewer (E-mail)" , "'Jchappell (E-mail)" , "Siwko-bajon, Paul G" , "Kellie Stoelting" , , "Brad Holtz" , "Robert Gowin" , , "craig t" , "Fender Artist Relations" , "Michael E Lille" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2002 21:02:24.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDCB1D80:01C2A7A1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A7A1.ED5099FA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hello, =20 Wanted to update you on Denis Taaffe's progress and recent events: =20 Guitar9.com ran a news update on Denis = recently, announcing Denis being selected to play a showcase for the = 7th Annual Millennium Music conference In = Harrisburg, PA held February 13-16, 2003.In addition, they also = mentioned 20th Century Guitar Magazine will = be reviewing Taaffe`s new CD release " Modern Rock Guitar Vol. = III" and that it is the = NAMM/ January edition. The CD will be reviewed by Robert Silverstein = who has reviewed Denis's first two releases.He will also be interviewed = in a future edition of 20th Century Guitar magazine.The review will also = be listed on the mwe3.com (Music web-express) music site. They also have = a link to a downloadable mp3 of a live concert Denis played recently. = Finally they announced the Lifetime endorsement Denis was given by = Seymour Duncan = pickups after his endorsement agreement had expired. You can see the = full news story by going to =20 http://www.guitar9.com/news.html=20 =20 Also, MI2n , the music industry news network, also ran a press release = announcing Denis accepting invitation to perform at this years = conference. =20 =20 http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=3D45625 . =20 Modern Rock = Guitar.vol.III" will no longer be available direct from dtguitar.com as = it is available for purchase at Amazon.com = , CDbaby.com = , Guitar9.com = and = FossilRecords.net . These sites = also Sell Denis's first two CD releases.=20 =20 Thanks and happy holidays, Denis =20 Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A7A1.ED5099FA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Hello,
       &nbs= p;            = ;=20
Wanted = to update you=20 on Denis Taaffe's progress and recent events:
 
 
 http://www.guitar9.com/news.html=20
 
Also, = MI2n , the=20 music industry news network, also ran a press = release announcing Denis=20 accepting invitation to perform at this years conference.=20             &= nbsp;          =20
 
http://www.mi2n.= com/press.php3?press_nb=3D45625 .
 
Modern Rock=20 Guitar.vol.III" will no longer be available direct from dtguitar.com = as it=20 is available for purchase at Amazon.com, CDbaby.com, Guitar9.com= and FossilRecords.net . = These sites=20 also Sell Denis's first two CD releases.

 

Thanks = and happy=20 holidays,
Denis
 
Denis=20 Taaffe
denis@dtguitar.com
http://www.dtguitar.com=20
------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A7A1.ED5099FA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 16:15:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23764; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:14:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:14:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009d01c2a3b8$33b7aae0$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA76@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:31:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009A_01C2A385.E70AFCB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-AJ1N.A.OzF.sajA-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C2A385.E70AFCB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock>>said that she found = this easy because "it was just math" >>she was one of the least inspired bassists I'd ever heard. I see what you mean, but then I wouldn't fault the chosen route to = inspiration (math), but the artist for failing to be inspired. The = same is true of any source for inspiration: love, politics, God. Much = bad art was made with the best of intentions. =20 One of my greatest stumbling blocks to my mathematical self was that I = didn't understand that, as a musician, I had a fine intuitive grasp of = spatial relationships through tone and time. When I was finally = exposed to Euclidian geometry in a sophisticated arena and was able to = associate Boolean logic with this graphical format; algebra, number = theory, and the rudiments of calculus all seemed to make a whole lot = more sense. This in turn came back to inform my understanding of = intonations and scales. Rhythm, tone, progression; all of these terms can be (and often are) = described mathematically. Math is only a language that describes the = characteristics of an object or phenomenon. While it will never be = possible to create a language that does not affect the message that it = is trying to convey, this is not a weakness, but a strength, in that we = as artists may analyze and express ourselves by an increasingly diverse = manner of methods. We already break it down abstractly all the time; on the fret board, on = the keyboard, across the keys of the flute. Seriously, think of what = the sound of music would be like if all the keys on the keyboard were = white, or were reversed where the pentatonic would be big and white and = the rest of the keys were little and black. The western mind began to = hear what it considered music and created instruments to create that = music, which influenced western musicians to create music that was = compatible to their instruments. Mozart surely had the faculty to = compose microtonal music that would be just as powerful and wonderful as = the work that he did with the traditional western scale. He even had = microtonally capable instruments (the entire orchestral string section), = there just weren't enough sitars and too many well tempered claviers = around. I guess that where this is all going is that raw mathematics offers an = open-ended manner to describe and create art with sound. Art conveys = meaning (or at least distributes meaning if you want to be = deconstructionalist about it). However, meaning is truly dependant on = the perceiver. Mathematics is a human method of describing the universe = and can convey meaning to the perceiver if the perceiver has the faculty = to decode the message. So, in other words, difficult modern = composition simply has a limited number of perceivers with the faculty = to decode its meaning. If the goal is universal accessibility, we = should all give it up and compose pop tunes for Brittany. I admit it, = I, personally, get sick of Phillip Glass after a pretty short time. = But maybe your bass player girlfriend just had a different target crowd = for her work. =20 We, as loopers, have adopted a rather exotic method of performance, if = not composition, which restricts our number of potential perceivers to a = degree. But then, I like bands that don't have a comparatively large = number of willing and successful perceivers. I think that within the = loop community, we have the type of artist that is already inclined = towards experimentation. So, go for it, base your music on a midi = representation of the rainfall distribution pattern across the Amazon = jungle over three years. Create shapes by connecting chords on the = tune clock. It's all a matter of interpretation. This is where you = come in: the connection with your intended perceiver. Simply consider = to whom you are speaking when you are forging your meaning and the = language will suggest itself. =20 Lance Chance =20 =20 www.chanceinformation.info =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:18 AM Subject: [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock >>mathematical artists start making me humble with the quickness<<=20 it's a fascinating relationship, for sure, but then analysing anything = in terms of maths and numerology can be fascinating for a while. an = ex-girlfriend of mine, who played the bass and sang, said that she found = this easy because "it was just math" and not at all a matter of dividing = one's concentration between two musical tasks. I struggled with this for = a while, and only later realised that she was one of the least inspired = bassists I'd ever heard. love is deaf, too. (colleen, if you ever see this, I'm referring to someone else. = honest.)=20 duncan/r.m.i.=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe = *************************************************************************= ** ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C2A385.E70AFCB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone = clock

>>said that she = found this=20 easy because "it was just math"

>>she was one of the = least=20 inspired bassists I'd ever heard.

 

I see what you mean, but = then I=20 wouldn't fault the chosen route to inspiration (math), but the artist = for=20 failing to be inspired.   The same is true of any source for=20 inspiration: love, politics, God.   Much bad art was made with = the=20 best of intentions.  

One of my greatest = stumbling blocks=20 to my mathematical self was that I didn't understand that, as a = musician, I=20 had a fine intuitive grasp of spatial relationships through tone and=20 time.   When I was finally exposed to Euclidian geometry in a=20 sophisticated arena and was able to associate Boolean logic with this = graphical=20 format; algebra, number theory, and the rudiments of calculus all seemed = to make=20 a whole lot more sense.  This in turn came back to inform my = understanding=20 of intonations and scales.

Rhythm, tone, progression; = all of=20 these terms can be (and often are) described mathematically.   = Math is=20 only a language that describes the characteristics of an object or=20 phenomenon.  While it will never be possible to create a language = that does=20 not affect the message that it is trying to convey, this is not a = weakness, but=20 a strength, in that we as artists may analyze and express = ourselves by an=20 increasingly diverse manner of methods.

We already break it down = abstractly=20 all the time; on the fret board, on the keyboard, across the keys of the = flute.   Seriously, think of what the sound of music would be = like if=20 all the keys on the keyboard were white, or were reversed where the = pentatonic=20 would be big and white and the rest of the keys were little and=20 black.   The western mind began to hear what it considered = music and=20 created instruments to create that music, which influenced western=20 musicians to create music that was compatible to their = instruments.  =20 Mozart surely had the faculty to compose microtonal music that would be = just as=20 powerful and wonderful as the work that he did with the traditional = western=20 scale.  He even had microtonally capable instruments = (the entire=20 orchestral string section), there just weren't enough sitars and = too many=20 well tempered claviers around.

I guess that where this is = all going=20 is that raw mathematics offers an open-ended manner to describe and = create art=20 with sound.  Art conveys meaning (or at = least=20 distributes meaning if you want to be deconstructionalist about=20 it).   However, meaning is truly dependant on the = perceiver. =20 Mathematics is a human method of describing the universe and can convey = meaning=20 to the perceiver if the perceiver has the faculty to decode the=20 message.   So, in other words, difficult modern composition = simply has=20 a limited number of perceivers with the faculty to decode its=20 meaning.   If the goal is universal accessibility, we should = all give=20 it up and compose pop tunes for Brittany.   I admit it, I, = personally,=20 get sick of Phillip Glass after a pretty short time.   But = maybe your=20 bass player girlfriend just had a different target crowd for her=20 work=85  

We, as loopers, have = adopted a=20 rather exotic method of performance, if not composition, which restricts = our=20 number of potential perceivers to a degree.   But then, I like bands = that don=92t=20 have a comparatively large number of willing and successful = perceivers.   I think that within the = loop=20 community, we have the type of artist that is already inclined towards=20 experimentation.   = So, go for=20 it, base your music on a midi representation of the rainfall = distribution=20 pattern across the Amazon jungle over three years.   Create shapes by = connecting chords=20 on the tune clock.   = It=92s all a=20 matter of interpretation.  = This is=20 where you come in: the connection with your intended perceiver.   Simply consider to whom = you are=20 speaking when you are forging your meaning and the language will suggest = itself.

 

Lance = Chance

 

 

www.chanceinformation.info

 

 
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To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, December 19, = 2002 11:18=20 AM
Subject: [looper's] RE: = mathematic=20 processes & tone clock

>>mathematical artists start making me humble = with the=20 quickness<<
it's a fascinating = relationship, for=20 sure, but then analysing anything in terms of maths and numerology can = be=20 fascinating for a while. an ex-girlfriend of mine, who played the bass = and=20 sang, said that she found this easy because "it was just math" and not = at all=20 a matter of dividing one's concentration between two musical tasks. I=20 struggled with this for a while, and only later realised that she was = one of=20 the least inspired bassists I'd ever heard. love is deaf, = too.

(colleen, if you ever see this, I'm referring to = someone else.=20 honest.)

duncan/r.m.i.



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------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C2A385.E70AFCB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 16:26:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24663; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:25:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:25:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:24:43 +0100 Subject: Re: Stereo Mixers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021219184603.54552.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4A256918-1398-11D7-BA6F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 07:46 PM, Stephen wrote: > I've always lusted after the XTRAMIXcxi, but don't have an > extra $3500.00 lying about : Why oh why did you give me that link??? Now I have severe equipment lust! :) It looks like a lovely mixer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 16:41:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25475; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:40:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:40:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021219165436.00a608d0@pop3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000411630@pop3.freeler.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:07:17 +0100 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Katja Subject: music by numbers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Ernesto, Jim, Mark, D.G., Everything in music goes by numbers: scales, harmonies, frequencies, beats and bars....The Tone Clock is nothing more than a visual aid in sharpening the awareness of meaningful harmonical structures, and as such it shows worlds of possibilities beyond the obligatory major and minor. The Tone Clock distinguishes itself from certain more personal compositorial systems in the sense that it is relevant for most existing music in twelve tone equal temperament. It's a pity the site shows quite limited information, there's more on internet but it's all in Dutch. The ninth hour (of the Tone Clock, yes) shows the intervals d-g and g-c: a triad composed of two fourths. In the twelve tone scale there's twelve unique triads, twelve 'hours', and the hours seem to show connections which cover patterns in lots of traditional and classical Western musics. I am not a composer, but I can imagine a composer's fascination in discovering a geometrical pattern underlying practically all Western music, containing more experimental links still to be tested! I have the same kind of fascination with sound content and frequencies. OK, you like a sound or you don't, no matter if you are familiar with acoustical theory, but if you want to control your sound production or create new sounds, it helps to know how sound is generated, and which are the fysical patterns governing sound production. Katja. Tone Clock link: www.xs4all.nl/~taede/toonklok/artikel/tonecl-e.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 17:13:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28211; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:09:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:09:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <042301c2a776$333a1820$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> <001501c2a387$da5f5b30$69894682@lance> <042301c2a776$333a1820$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:59:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: hofstadter /Dawkins Re: mathematic processes & tone clock Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:49 AM -0600 12/19/02, jim palmer wrote: > >Lance Chance wrote a bunch of stuff: >>... >>I, too, went through a math music phase during my 6th and 7th year of >>development... >>... > >excellent post. >i'm also a fan of hofstadter. Actually, the idea of memes is Richard Dawkins (sp?), not hofstadter (whom I'm also a fan of) >i never had a math block, so i have always known the connection >between math and music and never understood why it was >not obvious to everyone. -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 17:46:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29989; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:41:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:41:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:41:22 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: hofstadter /Dawkins Re: mathematic processes & tone clock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <066201c2a7af$c35ef1d0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> <001501c2a387$da5f5b30$69894682@lance> <042301c2a776$333a1820$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com huh? > > Actually, the idea of memes is Richard Dawkins (sp?), not hofstadter > (whom I'm also a fan of) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 18:46:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02500; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:45:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:45:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <154.1936f577.2b33b3f8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:44:56 EST Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_154.1936f577.2b33b3f8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_154.1936f577.2b33b3f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/19/2002 12:26:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > but then analyzing anything in terms of maths and numerology can be > fascinating for a while i definitely make the distinction between math and numerology in the same way i make the distinction between astronomy and astrology. apple and oranges. =-) PJ --part1_154.1936f577.2b33b3f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/19/2002 12:26:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes:


but then analyzing anything in terms of maths and numerology can be fascinating for a while

i definitely make the distinction between math and numerology in the same way i make the distinction between astronomy and astrology. apple and oranges. =-) PJ
--part1_154.1936f577.2b33b3f8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 23:09:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21315; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:07:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:07:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp (Unverified) X-Mailer: Eudora 5.1-J For Mac OS X Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:03:38 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: [webcast/gig info] 12/21 LAURA MAES in C.U.E. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, This is information of our series Internet broadcast live gig from Kobe,Japan. It called "Live from Far East". Vol.19 performance is 21th Dec. 2002 You can see our gig via Real Player. Please visit below: http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east or http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/broadcast LAURA MAES in C.U.E. LAURA MAES (from Belgium) MSBR (from Tokyo) http://www.msbr.com DARUIN (from OSAKA) + Asako Iwasa(DANCE) http://www.neus318.com Sunao Inami (from Kobe) + Emi Makino(DANCE) http://www.cavestudio.com 19:00 - 22:00 (JST) = 10:00 - 13:00 (GMT) = 2:00 - 5:00 (PST) = 5:00 - 8:00 (EST) The World Clock - Time Zones http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ Download flyer http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/flyer/1221_laura.jpg ------ More Info and contacts: C.U.E. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue cue@cavestudio.org CAPHOUSE #314, 3-19-8 Yamamoto Dori, Chuo-ku Kobe,Japan 650-0003 Tel & Fax : +81 (0)78-241-9389 ------ Previous gigs photos available on "Flash Back" http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/flashback _____________________ Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 23:48:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22995; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:45:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:45:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E02A076.C12057D5@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:45:48 -0800 From: Matt McCabe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darker Day Collective , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: mp3.com alternatives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking for an alternative to mp3.com for one-off CD manufacturing. Ampcast.com appears to have a decent program. Does anyone have any experience dealing with them? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 00:35:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26740; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:34:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:34:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Eric Zang" To: Subject: FS: EDP EFC-7 footcontroller $15, Lexicon Vortex, mics, midi ft cntrl, levelar Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:33:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lexicon Vortex effects processor (without foot switch, but can add your own easily) $150 Excellent condition, with manual. Pacific Pro Audio LD-1 Large Diaphragm Condenser Microphone, with shock mount and original box. $70. Excellent condition. Specs: http://www.pacificproaudio.com/m_frame.asp?url=ld1_specsheet.html or http://www.pacificproaudio.com ART Levelar compressor excellent condition. $50. Shure SM10A headworn dynamic mic $50 excellent condition, with case. http://www.shure.com/microphones/models/sm10a.asp Peavey MAP 8x4 MIDI controlled patchbay, with manual and power supply. Some of the buttons do not respond, thereby limiting functionality to only two inputs. $25. Poor cosmetics. RFX MidiWizard MP1288 foot controller. With power supply. $65. Very good condition. Manual online at http://www.rolls.com/rfxnew/ Zoom 8050 foot controller. With manual and power supply. $65. Very good condition. Feature info and picture available upon request. Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro EDP EFC-7, foot controller. $15. Needs work, 2 buttons not functioning, likely need replacement. Picture available. Pictures available. Non credit card source Paypal accepted, or money order. Shipping (actual) additional. Located in Phoenix, AZ. I have references. Will consider trades. Eric Zang www.ericzang.com mic mics PPA adk www.ericzang.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 03:17:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03706; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:08:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:08:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: EDP Problem: Delay in Mute mode Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 02:12:30 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm having a weird thing happen.. When I press Mute there is a short delay in it's activation and "ooo" comes up on the screen. It does it sometimes and then doesn't do it at other times. Any ideas???? I have both FCB1010 Midi foot controller and the analog FC7 hooked up to my one EDP... I am assuming there is no problem with that switching scenario. I like throwing myself fast learning curve balls! Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 03:49:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05018; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:46:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:46:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ab01c2a7d1$cc9d9cc0$06f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP Problem: Delay in Mute mode Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 02:45:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com more than likely: the edp is waiting for the currently-running cycle to complete. quantize is the proper term...but then again, i've been drinking. not to suggest that you haven't done this, but a thorough read-through of the manual will illuminate many of the mighty edp's functions and quirks...and thus eliminate much of the "what the hell's going on" expressions. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 04:08:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07313; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 04:06:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 04:06:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b101c2a7d4$a93b8230$06f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021219165436.00a608d0@pop3.freeler.nl> Subject: Re: music by numbers Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:05:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Everything in music goes by numbers" playing the devil's advocate, but who is to say which came first? for example: perhaps everything in numbers goes by music. why are numbers considered the basis? "The Tone Clock is nothing more than a visual aid in sharpening the awareness of meaningful harmonical structures, and as such it shows worlds of possibilities beyond the obligatory major and minor." if you remove the ears, you remove precisely what it is that makes it music. i can't think of the last time that music was "visual" and thus i (personally) not only need but see NO purpose in visual representations of anything musical. "I am not a composer, but I can imagine a composer's fascination in discovering a geometrical pattern underlying practically all Western music, containing more experimental links still to be tested!" yeah, the same kind of fascination that might accompany the discovery that dreams are merely synaptic farts. interesting, but not moving. when you use the word "experiment", it makes it sound like you're talking about science and not music. music is neither science nor sport. "OK, you like a sound or you don't, no matter if you are familiar with acoustical theory, but if you want to control your sound production or create new sounds, it helps to know how sound is generated, and which are the physical patterns governing sound production." the physical patterns are of virtually no signifcance. once again, music is not science (although it can be distilled into such). do you really think that the beach boys were thinking numbers when they recorded pet sounds? how about kevin sheilds when he was blowing creation's budget on "loveless"? perhaps it does help to know how sound is generated, etc. but i state that it doesn't hurt to not know. ah, beer. makes the conversation much...more...zzzzzzzzzzz -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 08:41:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23733; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:39:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:39:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-23.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1040391518!27207 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA85@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:32:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A82C.37D860B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A82C.37D860B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>i definitely make the distinction between math and numerology in the same way i make the distinction between astronomy and astrology. apple and oranges. =-) PJ<< hmm.... I'd quite like you to elaborate, but fear we'd become unpopular w/ the list for veering OT into semantics. for me, math(s) and numerology are related in the same way as, say, locomotive engineering and trainspotting. that is to say, one is a detailed knowledge of the nuts and bolts, the intimate workings, quite possibly at the expense of a sense of the purpose of that engineering- too close to the workings to see the bigger picture.... while the other is a great deal of enthusiasm and curiosity eclipsing the business of getting better acquainted with the facts. returning to our musical context, I recall frank zappa's comments on the difference between a musician and a composer, and my own feelings about highly paid orchestral players who actually have a lot less to contribute musically than a kid with a strat who's learned three chords. somewhere in the middle is where the ideal lies- true understanding of one's subject, but without taking all the mystery/fun/soul/whatever out of it. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>i definitely make the distinction between math an= d numerology in the same way i make the distinction between astronomy and a= strology. apple and oranges. =3D-) PJ<<

hmm.... I'd quite like you to elaborate, but fear we'd be= come unpopular w/ the list for veering OT into semantics.

for me, math(s) and numerology are related in the same wa= y as, say, locomotive engineering and trainspotting. that is to say, one is= a detailed knowledge of the nuts and bolts, the intimate workings, quite p= ossibly at the expense of a sense of the purpose of that engineering- too c= lose to the workings to see the bigger picture.... while the other is a gre= at deal of enthusiasm and curiosity eclipsing the business of getting bette= r acquainted with the facts.

returning to our musical context, I recall frank zappa's = comments on the difference between a musician and a composer, and my own fe= elings about highly paid orchestral players who actually have a lot less to= contribute musically than a kid with a strat who's learned three chords. s= omewhere in the middle is where the ideal lies- true understanding of one's= subject, but without taking all the mystery/fun/soul/whatever out of it.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A82C.37D860B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 09:33:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27549; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:30:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:30:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mark Kunzmann" To: Subject: RE: free ticket for tomorrow night in Nyon Switzerland for a very loopy night Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:29:45 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002d01c2a790$6981d200$fc2c93d4@black> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-milter (http://amavis.org/) Resent-Message-ID: <5h3G8C.A.XuG.ylyA-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude, I'd come down to see you (I live in Basel) but I need to know a little sooner next time... Have a good gig! cheers, Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 7:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: free ticket for tomorrow night in Nyon Switzerland for a very > loopy night > > > Yes I'm playing tomorrow at the Usine a Gaz in Nyon as SeeWhat? > door at 21h > concert at 22h > > the secret password for a free ticket will be "Loopers Delight > is looper's > delight " only valid untill start of the concert > > and if you show up after the show I'll offer the beer > > I've been on LD for more than 4 years played almost 25 looping > gigs since and > never met one of you at the gig > > Please show up please please..... > > > > Happy Hollydayes all > > Claude > > More on the SeeWhat? project > > http://www.hexadance.ch/fr/edito/interview/itw_cvoit.htm > http://www.hexadance.ch/fr/edito/hexasense/bdn_chatnoir.htm > http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works_europe.html > http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/ct_75/ct_75.html > http://music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/acoustic/acoustic.html > http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works_europe.html > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_pr ofile&id=0110021 74832 http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 09:38:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28023; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:34:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:34:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013d01c2a449$91b87cf0$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> <001501c2a387$da5f5b30$69894682@lance> <042301c2a776$333a1820$080210ac@jpalmer> <066201c2a7af$c35ef1d0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: hofstadter /Dawkins Re: mathematic processes & tone clock Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:52:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <_iUS_C.A.x1G.OqyA-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1. Memetics is the study of the ecology of cultural transmission. A meme is the basic unit of replication for cultural artifacts and ideas. I went to google and turned up: www.memes.net Actually, the concepts look pretty durn cool alright. However, I'm not really sure that I know where in the thread these ideas had been attributed to Hofstadter. On cursory inspection this memes thing looks like a slightly more culturally oriented set of ideas than Hofstadter's; who, it seemed, was more interested in perception from the point of the individual. While culture plays a part in his theories, it is not necessarily the central issue. Thanks for the introduction, this concept and I will have to get to know each other a little better. Would you mind, Emile, elucidating a bit on your last post? lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: Re: hofstadter /Dawkins Re: mathematic processes & tone clock > huh? > > > > > Actually, the idea of memes is Richard Dawkins (sp?), not hofstadter > > (whom I'm also a fan of) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 10:08:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31436; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:05:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:05:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:05:48 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: hofstadter /Dawkins Re: mathematic processes & tone clock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <067c01c2a839$47842500$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> <001501c2a387$da5f5b30$69894682@lance> <042301c2a776$333a1820$080210ac@jpalmer> <066201c2a7af$c35ef1d0$080210ac@jpalmer> <013d01c2a449$91b87cf0$69894682@lance> Resent-Message-ID: <78Mx_.A.GrH.NHzA-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hofstadter wrote quite a bit about the meme meme. he never claimed to own it. and who can own a meme anyway... the concept had not been mentioned in this thread, thus my perplexed reply... >... > Actually, the concepts look pretty durn cool alright. However, I'm not > really sure that I know where in the thread these ideas had been attributed > to Hofstadter. On cursory inspection this memes thing looks like a > slightly more culturally oriented set of ideas than Hofstadter's; who, it > seemed, was more interested in perception from the point of the individual. > While culture plays a part in his theories, it is not necessarily the > central issue. >... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 10:31:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00344; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:30:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:30:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:30:39 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <06a201c2a83c$c0399ae0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021219165436.00a608d0@pop3.freeler.nl> <00b101c2a7d4$a93b8230$06f8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "Everything in music goes by numbers" > > playing the devil's advocate, but who is to say which came first? for > example: perhaps everything in numbers goes by music. why are numbers > considered the basis? > numbers are just another way of describing the same thing. if you say "this song is in E" you are being just as abstract... >... > i can't think of the last time that music was "visual" ... it was just a few weeks ago on this very list, remember? >...and thus i > (personally) not only need but see NO purpose in visual representations of > anything musical. > it can definitely improve the speed at which one can learn a concept, generate material, expand a development section, etc... it can also make these things possible for people like me with no attention span... >.... music is neither science nor sport.... it is both and more... >...do you really think > that the beach boys were thinking numbers when they recorded pet sounds? yes. (probably not consciously) > ... > perhaps it does help to know how sound is generated, etc. but i state that > it doesn't hurt to not know. much better. it seemed you were insisting that it did hurt to know. i agree that it is not for everyone. most of the early jazz greats didn't know what to call the chords, but they could hear them. >... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 10:31:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00391; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:31:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:31:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017d01c2a451$6cf00250$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA85@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:48:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017A_01C2A41F.203EC040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017A_01C2A41F.203EC040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock>>i definitely make the = distinction between math and numerology in the same way i make the = distinction between astronomy and astrology. apple and oranges. =3D-) = PJ<< >hmm.... I'd quite like you to elaborate, but fear we'd become unpopular = w/ the list for veering OT into semantics.< I think that we can keep this on topic quite easily. I am not a = numerologist. I do not believe that I can either divine or affect my = surroundings by numbers alone. However, the spiritual phenomenon that = has recurred throughout history that has been described as "numerology" = is just as fascinating and inspirational as that of the Knights Templar, = UFOs or the Catholic Church (no offence intended, I'm Catholic). = Honestly, Pythagoreanism as a concept is one of the things that charmed = me into my recent math phase. Math alone is nothing to me, numerology = adds a richness of meaning to raw math that is akin to another = relationship that is close to all of our hearts: music theory and = inspiration (whether improvisational or compositional). =20 Raw music theory is truly a mathematical set of concepts if there ever = was one. However, it is simply a set of theories used to describe what = we already heard in our hearts. As we developed our theories about = music, our music developed to reflect these theories. Hence the = preoccupation in western Europe with the standard twelve tone. I do = not believe in the inherent mystical properties of the Dorian mode, but = it sure doesn't hurt to know that someone did, and what they thought = about it. Math without culture is nothing because it is an abstract = idea, so is music theory. However, the phenomenon that the theory = describes is inextricably linked to it because it informs and changes = the phenomenon as it describes it. =20 Think of your looper, you create a phrase and hit loop at the end, now = you have a loop defined and you play along with it. The impetus could = be said to be an act of pure creation defining tempo and tone without = any reference but the will of the creator. However, from this point = forward (until you kill the loop) all that is put in will be affected by = what was there before. If you play along then it harmonizes, if you = ignore your previous input, it clashes, but it always interacts. Even = if you do not have your feedback on 100% and after many cycles the = original content is lost forever, the subsequent loops reflected and = responded to the content you can no longer hear and now you reflect and = respond to that subsequent content. If you play a song in 7/8 because = that's your lucky number, you need not create the entire content to = reflect that motive, however the motive will still be affecting the = content. =20 There, nice and on topic. That's probably what looping is such an = important music form for me; because it can always come back around to = that. ;o) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 7:32 AM Subject: [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock >>i definitely make the distinction between math and numerology in the = same way i make the distinction between astronomy and astrology. apple = and oranges. =3D-) PJ<< hmm.... I'd quite like you to elaborate, but fear we'd become = unpopular w/ the list for veering OT into semantics.=20 for me, math(s) and numerology are related in the same way as, say, = locomotive engineering and trainspotting. that is to say, one is a = detailed knowledge of the nuts and bolts, the intimate workings, quite = possibly at the expense of a sense of the purpose of that engineering- = too close to the workings to see the bigger picture.... while the other = is a great deal of enthusiasm and curiosity eclipsing the business of = getting better acquainted with the facts. returning to our musical context, I recall frank zappa's comments on = the difference between a musician and a composer, and my own feelings = about highly paid orchestral players who actually have a lot less to = contribute musically than a kid with a strat who's learned three chords. = somewhere in the middle is where the ideal lies- true understanding of = one's subject, but without taking all the mystery/fun/soul/whatever out = of it. duncan/r.m.i.=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe = *************************************************************************= ** ------=_NextPart_000_017A_01C2A41F.203EC040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone = clock

>>i definitely make the distinction between math = and=20 numerology in the same way i make the distinction between astronomy and=20 astrology. apple and oranges. =3D-) PJ<<

>hmm.... I'd quite like you to elaborate, but fear = we'd=20 become unpopular w/ the list for veering OT into = semantics.<

I think that we can keep this on topic quite easily.   I am = not a=20 numerologist.  I do not believe that I can either divine or affect = my=20 surroundings by numbers alone.   However, the spiritual = phenomenon=20 that has recurred throughout history that has been described as = "numerology" is=20 just as fascinating and inspirational as that of the Knights Templar, = UFOs or=20 the Catholic Church (no offence intended, I'm Catholic).   = Honestly,=20 Pythagoreanism as a concept is one of the things that charmed me into my = recent=20 math phase.   Math alone is nothing to me, numerology adds a = richness=20 of meaning to raw math that is akin to another relationship that is = close to all=20 of our hearts: music theory and inspiration (whether improvisational or=20 compositional).  

Raw music theory is truly a mathematical set of concepts if there = ever was=20 one.   However, it is simply a set of theories used to = describe what=20 we already heard in our hearts.   As we developed our theories = about=20 music, our music developed to reflect these theories.   = Hence the=20 preoccupation in western Europe with the standard twelve = tone.   I do=20 not believe in the inherent mystical properties of the Dorian mode, but = it sure=20 doesn't hurt to know that someone did, and what they thought about=20 it.   Math without culture is nothing because it is an = abstract idea,=20 so is music theory.   However, the phenomenon that the=20 theory describes is inextricably linked to it because it = informs and=20 changes the phenomenon as it describes it.  

Think of your looper, you create a phrase and hit loop at the end, = now you=20 have a loop defined and you play along with it.   The impetus = could be=20 said to be an act of pure creation defining tempo and tone without any = reference=20 but the will of the creator.  However, from this point forward = (until you=20 kill the loop) all that is put in will be affected by what was there=20 before.  If you play along then it harmonizes, if you ignore = your=20 previous input, it clashes, but it always interacts.   Even if = you do=20 not have your feedback on 100% and after many cycles the original = content is=20 lost forever, the subsequent loops reflected and responded to the = content you=20 can no longer hear and now you reflect and respond to that subsequent=20 content.   If you play a song in 7/8 because that's your = lucky=20 number, you need not create the entire content to reflect that motive, = however=20 the motive will still be affecting the content.  

There, nice and on topic.   That's probably what looping is = such an=20 important music form for me; because it can always come back around to = that.=20 ;o)

 

 

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>>i definitely make the distinction between = math and=20 numerology in the same way i make the distinction between astronomy = and=20 astrology. apple and oranges. =3D-) PJ<<

hmm.... I'd quite like you to elaborate, but fear = we'd become=20 unpopular w/ the list for veering OT into semantics.

for me, math(s) and numerology are related in the = same way as,=20 say, locomotive engineering and trainspotting. that is to say, one is = a=20 detailed knowledge of the nuts and bolts, the intimate workings, quite = possibly at the expense of a sense of the purpose of that engineering- = too=20 close to the workings to see the bigger picture.... while the other is = a great=20 deal of enthusiasm and curiosity eclipsing the business of getting = better=20 acquainted with the facts.

returning to our musical context, I recall frank = zappa's=20 comments on the difference between a musician and a composer, and my = own=20 feelings about highly paid orchestral players who actually have a lot = less to=20 contribute musically than a kid with a strat who's learned three = chords.=20 somewhere in the middle is where the ideal lies- true understanding of = one's=20 subject, but without taking all the mystery/fun/soul/whatever out of=20 it.

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------=_NextPart_000_017A_01C2A41F.203EC040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 10:48:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01498; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:46:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:46:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c2a840$bc785050$46a55e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <00ab01c2a7d1$cc9d9cc0$06f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: EDP Problem: Delay in Mute mode Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:59:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Possibly the "Lame Duck Period?" Dav id jim said: > more than likely: the edp is waiting for the currently-running cycle to > complete. quantize is the proper term...but then again, i've been drinking. > > not to suggest that you haven't done this, but a thorough read-through of > the manual will illuminate many of the mighty edp's functions and > quirks...and thus eliminate much of the "what the hell's going on" > expressions. > > -jim Arthur originally said: >> I'm having a weird thing happen.. >> >> When I press Mute there is a short delay in it's activation and "ooo" comes >> up on the screen. > (...) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 10:50:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01768; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:49:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:49:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018901c2a453$f4093480$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> <001501c2a387$da5f5b30$69894682@lance> <042301c2a776$333a1820$080210ac@jpalmer> <066201c2a7af$c35ef1d0$080210ac@jpalmer> <013d01c2a449$91b87cf0$69894682@lance> <067c01c2a839$47842500$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: hofstadter /Dawkins Re: mathematic processes & tone clock Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:06:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > hofstadter wrote quite a bit about the meme meme. (thought it was a typo but then got then joke, teehee.) Wow, does he talk about it in Gödel Escher Bach. It's a big book and I'm still working on it. It's something like Foucault's Pendulum for me and I get 4 pages along or so before I have to go cross reference something to truly grasp what the hell is going on. Reading it has been just as much of a mystical experience for me, as well. LOOPERS REALLY NEED TO GET THIS BOOK. It's very like what we do with sound but applied to life. I'm thinking of doing my loop performances under the name Recursive Algorythm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 9:05 AM Subject: Re: hofstadter /Dawkins Re: mathematic processes & tone clock > hofstadter wrote quite a bit about the meme meme. > he never claimed to own it. and who can own a meme anyway... > > the concept had not been mentioned in this thread, thus my perplexed reply... > > >... > > Actually, the concepts look pretty durn cool alright. However, I'm not > > really sure that I know where in the thread these ideas had been attributed > > to Hofstadter. On cursory inspection this memes thing looks like a > > slightly more culturally oriented set of ideas than Hofstadter's; who, it > > seemed, was more interested in perception from the point of the individual. > > While culture plays a part in his theories, it is not necessarily the > > central issue. > >... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 11:52:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05692; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:47:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:47:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c2a846$c55ed9e0$32615cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #300 for December 19, 2002 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:41:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #300 December 19, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie, a defining pioneer of the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was "Planetary Chronicles Volume 2" on the Miramar label. I played the music of Terra Ambient and Stephen Philips, two of the acts which will appear at WINTER MOON, The Pittsburgh Ambient Solstice Festival. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Chronos" by Michael Stearns on the Sonic Atmospheres label. Jonn Serrie http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#dec WINTER MOON http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Michael Stearns Angels and Bells Chronos (Sonic Atmospheres) AirSculpture, Star Syncing in the Swamp Okefenokee Dreams 2002 Sounds Orchestra et al (unreleased) Rob Essers The Ability to Dream Raincolors (Groove) Thought Guild Distant Star [context] (HRR) Rudy Adrian and Deep Within Forbidden Across the Silver Sky (Groove) Ron Boots Mountains Terra Ambient The Glass House The Darker Space (Space for Music) Metlay! Necrocosm After Silence (Atomic City) Stephen Philips Alone Again Reflections in Water (Dark Duck) 12:00 am Jonn Serrie First Night Out Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Vista Range Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Aftervisions Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Continuum Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie On a Frontier of Fables Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 (Miramar) Steve Roach Begins Looking Skyward Day Out of Time (Timeroom) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Flightpath" on the Miramar label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Timewind" by Klaus Schulze on the Caroline label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 12:51:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10104; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:48:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:48:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "marcus rojo" To: Subject: RE: EDP EFC-7 footcontroller $15, Lexicon Vortex, mics, midi ft cntrl, levelar Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:01:24 -0800 Message-ID: <000901c2a851$cfe98440$824d3c04@dslverizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop017.verizon.net from [4.60.77.130] at Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:47:59 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will take the RFX MidiWizard MP 1288 if it is still available. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Eric Zang [mailto:ericzang@mm2k.net] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: EDP EFC-7 footcontroller $15, Lexicon Vortex, mics, midi ft cntrl, levelar Lexicon Vortex effects processor (without foot switch, but can add your own easily) $150 Excellent condition, with manual. Pacific Pro Audio LD-1 Large Diaphragm Condenser Microphone, with shock mount and original box. $70. Excellent condition. Specs: http://www.pacificproaudio.com/m_frame.asp?url=ld1_specsheet.html or http://www.pacificproaudio.com ART Levelar compressor excellent condition. $50. Shure SM10A headworn dynamic mic $50 excellent condition, with case. http://www.shure.com/microphones/models/sm10a.asp Peavey MAP 8x4 MIDI controlled patchbay, with manual and power supply. Some of the buttons do not respond, thereby limiting functionality to only two inputs. $25. Poor cosmetics. RFX MidiWizard MP1288 foot controller. With power supply. $65. Very good condition. Manual online at http://www.rolls.com/rfxnew/ Zoom 8050 foot controller. With manual and power supply. $65. Very good condition. Feature info and picture available upon request. Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro EDP EFC-7, foot controller. $15. Needs work, 2 buttons not functioning, likely need replacement. Picture available. Pictures available. Non credit card source Paypal accepted, or money order. Shipping (actual) additional. Located in Phoenix, AZ. I have references. Will consider trades. Eric Zang www.ericzang.com mic mics PPA adk www.ericzang.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 14:02:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15139; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:57:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:57:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021220105344.0496b1b8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:57:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Problem: Delay in Mute mode In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:12 AM 12/20/2002, ARTHUR LEE MUSIC wrote: >I'm having a weird thing happen.. > >When I press Mute there is a short delay in it's activation and "ooo" comes >up on the screen. >It does it sometimes and then doesn't do it at other times. Any ideas???? you have quantize turned on. Actions you press will wait until the next quantize point before they start. If quantize=loop, that means the next loop startpoint. If quantize=cycle, the next cycle startpoint. If quantize=8th, the next subdivision of the cycle. If it is off, then any action starts immediately. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 14:10:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17171; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:07:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:07:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:03:36 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E036988.D2C57FCB@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021219165436.00a608d0@pop3.freeler.nl> <00b101c2a7d4$a93b8230$06f8c440@g0wn7> <06a201c2a83c$c0399ae0$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Numbers are just language. An abstraction we use to describe natural phenomana. Useful, but not nessecary at all. Music doesn not "go by the numbers" but it can be described with them. I suck at math and barely read music. Sparrows know nothing of areodynamics either, yet they fly REAL GOOD. Mark Sottilaro jim palmer wrote: > > > "Everything in music goes by numbers" > > > > playing the devil's advocate, but who is to say which came first? for > > example: perhaps everything in numbers goes by music. why are numbers > > considered the basis? > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 14:20:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17708; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:17:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:17:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:17:04 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002101c2a85c$61c58f30$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021219165436.00a608d0@pop3.freeler.nl> <00b101c2a7d4$a93b8230$06f8c440@g0wn7> <06a201c2a83c$c0399ae0$080210ac@jpalmer> <3E036988.D2C57FCB@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just wanted to point out that neither of those quotes were from me. also: sparrows clearly know something of aerodynamics. > Numbers are just language. An abstraction we use to describe natural > phenomana. Useful, but not nessecary at all. Music doesn not "go by > the numbers" but it can be described with them. I suck at math and > barely read music. Sparrows know nothing of areodynamics either, yet > they fly REAL GOOD. > > Mark Sottilaro > > jim palmer wrote: > > > > > "Everything in music goes by numbers" > > > > > > playing the devil's advocate, but who is to say which came first? for > > > example: perhaps everything in numbers goes by music. why are numbers > > > considered the basis? > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 15:58:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23720; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:54:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:54:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021220194638.00a923f0@pop3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000411630@pop3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:54:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Katja Subject: Re: music by numbers In-Reply-To: <00b101c2a7d4$a93b8230$06f8c440@g0wn7> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021219165436.00a608d0@pop3.freeler.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3WfrOB.A.iyF.cO4A-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >perhaps it does help to know how sound is generated, etc. but i state that >it doesn't hurt to not know. > >ah, beer. makes the conversation much...more...zzzzzzzzzzz > >-jim cheers. That's what I mean. Some people make beautiful music not bothered by musical theory, some people spend a lifetime analyzing and theorizing about cents and comma's (e.g. Harry Partch), and I am not interested in discussing which way is best, in terms of ethics or esthaetics. To me it's a matter of means to an end. To illustrate my fascination for fysical patterns in sound generation I will give an example. I am interested in sounds which vary not only in pitch or volume but also in quality, like different vowels in vocals. A wah pedal does this for guitar. But how can I do this with an acoustical instrument, without the help of electronics? For trumpet and trombone this can be done with various damping devices, by which you actually change fysical dimensions of the bell. I wanted to see if this can be done for a reed instrument. Acoustical theory helped me to devise a reed instrument with a resonator for each note. The formant of each resonator can still be altered by covering and uncovering the holes. Is this science or music? Again, I don't mind how you call it; I'm just pleased with the sounding result, quite different from any other instrument. And I am fascinated by the fact that sounds can be visualised, in waveforms by means of an oscilloscope, or with spectral analysis. It effectively supports understanding of acoustical theory, which in turn shows why certain experiments work and others don't. It feeds my fantasies about sound dissociated from their traditional propagators, the existing instruments. It's just part of my toolbox. By the way, numbers were implicit in music long before maths were invented. Anthropologists have found primitive societies where the concept of time is non-existent. But they did not find societies without music. And where music is, there is rhythm, and scales, with fixed intervals. Obviously musicians can play with scrutinous precision to the rhythms and scales whether or not they are interested in visual representation. The fact is that the musical mind loves to hear repetition in well-defined portions of time and pitch. Musical theorists (e.g. Pythagoras) have analysed these patterns and described them in terms of numbers, and in turn influenced musical practice by refining and promoting their theory. This dialectical process is of course still going on these days. Please note I am not suggesting only theorists contribute to the development of music, I merely state they can contribute to it. Katja. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 16:03:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25180; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:59:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:59:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:59:27 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: hofstadter /Dawkins Re: mathematic processes & tone clock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006e01c2a86a$bb24b520$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> <001501c2a387$da5f5b30$69894682@lance> <042301c2a776$333a1820$080210ac@jpalmer> <066201c2a7af$c35ef1d0$080210ac@jpalmer> <013d01c2a449$91b87cf0$69894682@lance> <067c01c2a839$47842500$080210ac@jpalmer> <018901c2a453$f4093480$69894682@lance> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Wow, does he talk about it in Gödel Escher Bach. definitely in metamagical themas. it's a bound version of his columns for scientific american magazine. not sure about others... >... > LOOPERS REALLY NEED TO GET THIS > BOOK. It's very like what we do with sound but applied to life. I'm > thinking of doing my loop performances under the name Recursive Algorythm. > not so sure this book is for everyone. but the "carrollian" dialogs between chapters would be fun for people who are not so into the formal stuff... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 16:18:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26394; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:15:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:15:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021220211446.36295.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:14:46 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002101c2a85c$61c58f30$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- jim palmer wrote: > sparrows clearly know something of aerodynamics. Are these fully-laden African or European sparrows? :^) Back to the OT, I ran across this the other day: Looks like a mathematical relationship between notes has been around for a while! -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 18:15:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02177; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:09:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:09:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:06:16 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E03A268.3AC1CDF2@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021220211446.36295.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, they don't. I didn't know anything about stereo vision when I was young, yet I had depth perception. I didn't know about how my heart worked, yet blood pumped around. I learned to walk without knowing how my brain used visual and information from my inner ear to let me balance. The same way I stand upright, birds fly. They don't necessarily have to *know* about the principals to know how to do it. Birds do know how to fly (most do) yet they don't understand principals of air pressure and lift. Mark Sottilaro Tim Nelson wrote: > > --- jim palmer wrote: > > sparrows clearly know something of aerodynamics. > > Are these fully-laden African or European sparrows? > :^) > > Back to the OT, I ran across this the other day: > > > Looks like a mathematical relationship between notes > has been around for a while! > > -t- > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 19:16:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06169; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:06:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:06:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:06:14 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00f301c2a884$c6cb0ae0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20021220211446.36295.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> <3E03A268.3AC1CDF2@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > No, they don't. I didn't know anything about stereo vision when I was > young, yet I had depth perception. I didn't know about how my heart > worked, yet blood pumped around. I learned to walk without knowing how > my brain used visual and information from my inner ear to let me > balance. The same way I stand upright, birds fly. They don't > necessarily have to *know* about the principals to know how to do it. > Birds do know how to fly (most do) yet they don't understand principals > of air pressure and lift. > > Mark Sottilaro > we're really getting into sticky philosophical territory here. what does it mean to know something? if your brain used visual information from your inner ear, i say you knew it. if you loop that information it magically becomes topical... say, that suggests an interesting analogy. do you need to know the capabilities of the edp to loop with it? no, but it sure helps some people. (i'm gonna go ahead and say most people) same with formal music systems. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 19:29:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06832; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:19:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:19:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c2a886$bd407f80$d97bbfa8@6946cjm7q384> Reply-To: "Miracle Mary-Anne Music" From: "Miracle Mary-Anne Music" To: References: <000f01c2a47c$524133e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: Simplification -> stuff for sale!! Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:20:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <8nbrJD.A.qqB.gO7A-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just checked again, your letter, I might be interested in more of your gear, I will be in touch with some questions, if you wish, Thanks Pete Francz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Cox" To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: OT: Simplification -> stuff for sale!! > Hi gang! > > I've made the move to simplifying my entire setup, and therefore I have the > following stuff up for sale. I'm posting here because a lot of this stuff > might appeal to the LD community. JPG pics are available upon request. > Please contact me offlist if you are interested in any of these things. > I'll wait until the middle of next week before I venture into the badlands > of eBay. > > These prices do not include shipping/insurance. I'm willing to ship USPS or > UPS, your preference. > > ========== > Roland GR-1 Guitar Synth w/ expanded memory card and 13 pin cable - $200 > Includes the SR-GR1-01 expanded sound library, bringing the total memory to > 6MB, and doubling the available tones. Includes GR1 manual, power supply, > and 30 foot 13-pin cable. Fripp still uses this one because of it's > beautiful tones and flexibility. > > Roland GK-2A guitar synth pickup - $100 > Designed for all of the GR series guitar synths, as well as the VG stuff. > Perfect working condition. Includes mounting bracket for no-impact mounting > of the GK-2A controller on your guitar. Also includes pickup mounting > screws and springs for permanent pickup mount. I do not have the 2 sided > tape for temporary installs, but you can get some at your local hardware > store. > > Buy the GR-1 and the GK-2A - $250 > > Lexicon Vortex w/ power supply and manual - $100 > The Vortex is a digital sound processor capable of phase, flange, chorus, > tremolo, pan and vibrato effects with an analogue type sound. It is also a > 2sec echo/looper or a dual 1sec echo. It can combine these effects in a > number of ways. But.... setting up any two of these sounds you can blend > seamlessly from one to another by a process known as morphing, and you can > do this with footpedal control. > > Boss RPS-10 and RDD-20 in single space rack shelf w/ power supply - $200 > The Boss RPS-10 is the well known delay, reverse delay and pitch shifter. > Used by Adrian Belew to deliver his signature reverse guitar sound. The > RDD-20 is lesser known, but also a beautiful tone monster. Regular and > modulated delays, with tone controls that effect the echoes. This combo > includes a Boss PSA 120T power supply and a daisy chain cable to link power > from one box to the next. > > Tube Works Blue Tube preamp/overdrive pedal - $100 > Warm things up with a 12AX7 tube and full tone controls (Hi, Mid, Low, > Output and Drive). Very quiet and warm. Can go from clean tube to blues > breakup and crunch. Perfect way to warm up a solid state rig. > > Electro Harmonix Small Clone Reissue w/ power supply and original wooden > box - $40 > You know this one. Considered by some to be the very best stompbox chorus > available. Note that this comes with the proper EH power supply. > > Hughes & Kettner Jekyll & Hyde Overdrive/Distortion w/ One Spot power > supply - $120 > 2 channel overdrive/disto stompbox. Jekyll channel sounds like the original > TS808 and even uses the JRC4558 op-amp. Hyde channel goes from blues to > metal and everything in between. EQ knob on Hyde changes from a flat EQ to > a wild scooped mids sound, while the Sharp/Blunt switch allows you to get a > very bright or more compressed sound. Sweet. > > Danelectro Free Speech Inline Talkbox - $50 > Recently purchased and only used once for recording. Tube thoroughly > cleaned with isopropyl alcohol! The Free Speech is an *inline* talkbox, so > the sound shaped by your mouth is returned to your normal signal path, and > sent to your normal amplifier. No need to an extra amp, or an extra > microphone and PA. Amazing sounds out of this little bugger!! > > SKB 8 Space Roto Rack - $100 > Like brand new. Removable front lid and back panel for easy access. > Rackable Mount Depth: 17 3/4", Lid Depth: 2 1/4", Max. Int. Width: 17 3/4", > Max. Int. Height: 15", Exterior Dimensions: 22" W, 21 3/4" D, 16 7/8" H, > Weight: 13.5 lbs. > > Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Footswitch (EFC-7) - $80 > Perfect condition. Just don't need it any more - I've gone MIDI for > control. > > Boss PW-10 COSM Wah w/ Boss power supply - $100 > I love this thing, but I'm letting it go because it's covered in my GT-6. > This powerful pedal gives guitarists and bassists instant access to six > classic and modern wah sounds, plus all-new "Voice" and "Double Resonance" > modes which have never appeared in a wah pedal before. The V-Wah also > includes onboard overdrive/booster effects, user memory and noise-free > infrared pedal detection. 3 user memory locations allow players to store > their favorite wah settings for quick recall via the heel pedal switch. > Eight different kinds of built-in overdrive effects including BOSS classics > such as the OD-1 OverDrive, OD-2 Turbo OverDrive, MT-2 Metal Zone, DS-1 > Distortion, BD-2 Blues Driver, as well as special "Muff Fuzz," "Guv Dist" > and Booster modes. > > Morley ABY Boxes (2 of them) - $30 each > Passive ABY splitter box, with options for A only, B only, or A and B. Not > a tone sucker at all, very small and thin, but extremely sturdy build. > =========== > > > Doug > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 20:01:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08199; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:54:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:54:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c2a88b$88f0d400$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: Subject: OT: Update on Stuff For Sale Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:54:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thought I'd give the list an update, since I'm getting quite a few emails about things that have already been sold. Pardon me for looping this (with Insert=Replace to zap some of the original material) :) Does that make this on topic? Boss RPS-10 and RDD-20 in single space rack shelf w/ power supply - $200 The Boss RPS-10 is the well known delay, reverse delay and pitch shifter. Used by Adrian Belew to deliver his signature reverse guitar sound. The RDD-20 is lesser known, but also a beautiful tone monster. Regular and modulated delays, with tone controls that effect the echoes. This combo includes a Boss PSA 120T power supply and a daisy chain cable to link power from one box to the next. Tube Works Blue Tube preamp/overdrive pedal - $100 Warm things up with a 12AX7 tube and full tone controls (Hi, Mid, Low, Output and Drive). Very quiet and warm. Can go from clean tube to blues breakup and crunch. Perfect way to warm up a solid state rig. Electro Harmonix Small Clone Reissue w/ power supply and original wooden box - $40 You know this one. Considered by some to be the very best stompbox chorus available. Note that this comes with the proper EH power supply. SKB 8 Space Roto Rack - $100 Like brand new. Removable front lid and back panel for easy access. Rackable Mount Depth: 17 3/4", Lid Depth: 2 1/4", Max. Int. Width: 17 3/4", Max. Int. Height: 15", Exterior Dimensions: 22" W, 21 3/4" D, 16 7/8" H, Weight: 13.5 lbs. Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Footswitch (EFC-7) - $80 Perfect condition. Just don't need it any more - I've gone MIDI for control. Boss PW-10 COSM Wah w/ Boss power supply - $100 I love this thing, but I'm letting it go because it's covered in my GT-6. This powerful pedal gives guitarists and bassists instant access to six classic and modern wah sounds, plus all-new "Voice" and "Double Resonance" modes which have never appeared in a wah pedal before. The V-Wah also includes onboard overdrive/booster effects, user memory and noise-free infrared pedal detection. 3 user memory locations allow players to store their favorite wah settings for quick recall via the heel pedal switch. Eight different kinds of built-in overdrive effects including BOSS classics such as the OD-1 OverDrive, OD-2 Turbo OverDrive, MT-2 Metal Zone, DS-1 Distortion, BD-2 Blues Driver, as well as special "Muff Fuzz," "Guv Dist" and Booster modes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 21:26:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15334; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:19:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:19:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E03CFE1.4E76BC0@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:20:17 -0500 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mp3.com alternatives References: <3E02A076.C12057D5@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-MEXmB.A.gvD.o-8A-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have heard good things about them in the past, but I'm pretty sure that they're charging something like $75 a year. Scott Matt McCabe wrote: > > I'm looking for an alternative to mp3.com for one-off CD manufacturing. > Ampcast.com appears to have a decent program. Does anyone have any > experience dealing with them? -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 21:27:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15531; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:20:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:20:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021221022000.15005.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:20:00 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: Re: OT: Update on Stuff For Sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005401c2a88b$88f0d400$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-935014125-1040437200=:14783" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-935014125-1040437200=:14783 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey Doug did you get the Fuzz Factory yet? What do you think? If not I have a tracking number for it. --0-935014125-1040437200=:14783 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hey Doug did you get the Fuzz Factory yet? What do you think? If not I have a tracking number for it.

--0-935014125-1040437200=:14783-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 22:30:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20623; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:22:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:22:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c2a8a1$942be1a0$8345510c@anon> From: "alex millar" To: References: <20021220211446.36295.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> <3E03A268.3AC1CDF2@zerocrossing.net> <00f301c2a884$c6cb0ae0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: music by numbers Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:31:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To play the blues, do you have to live them too? Time is money. Time is space turning. recursive nested ellipsis. recursive nested ellipsis. ...(...)...(...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: Re: music by numbers > > No, they don't. I didn't know anything about stereo vision when I was > > young, yet I had depth perception. I didn't know about how my heart > > worked, yet blood pumped around. I learned to walk without knowing how > > my brain used visual and information from my inner ear to let me > > balance. The same way I stand upright, birds fly. They don't > > necessarily have to *know* about the principals to know how to do it. > > Birds do know how to fly (most do) yet they don't understand principals > > of air pressure and lift. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > > we're really getting into sticky philosophical territory here. > what does it mean to know something? > if your brain used visual information from your inner ear, > i say you knew it. > if you loop that information it magically becomes topical... > > say, that suggests an interesting analogy. > do you need to know the capabilities of the edp to loop with it? > no, but it sure helps some people. (i'm gonna go ahead and say most people) > same with formal music systems. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 22:30:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20910; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:25:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:25:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.71; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:24:59 -0500 X-Epoch: 1040441099 X-Sasl-enc: YtzzPKXi50eSC475VrSqtQ Subject: Re: music by numbers References: <20021220211446.36295.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> <3E03A268.3AC1CDF2@zerocrossing.net> <00f301c2a884$c6cb0ae0$080210ac@jpalmer> In-Reply-To: <00f301c2a884$c6cb0ae0$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: <20021221032459.5672814CEC@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:06:14 -0600, "jim palmer" said: > we're really getting into sticky philosophical territory here. > what does it mean to know something? To be concious of it. At least that is what I think Mark is referring to, so I don't think it's philosophical at all. > say, that suggests an interesting analogy. > do you need to know the capabilities of the edp to loop with it? > no, but it sure helps some people. (i'm gonna go ahead and say most > people) > same with formal music systems. > I think a better analogy would be: do you need the manual to learn to use the edp? Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - And now for something completely different... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 22:34:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21205; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:27:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:27:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <68.2a7d49c8.2b353975@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:26:45 EST Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_68.2a7d49c8.2b353975_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_68.2a7d49c8.2b353975_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/20/02 4:16:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > http://www.webster.sk.ca/greenwich/fl-compl.htm thanks tim!.....michael --part1_68.2a7d49c8.2b353975_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/20/02 4:16:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


http://www.webster.sk.ca/greenwich/fl-compl.htm


thanks tim!.....michael
--part1_68.2a7d49c8.2b353975_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 21 00:23:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27963; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:18:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:18:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E03F9AE.AB231A58@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:18:39 -0800 From: Matt McCabe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mp3.com alternatives References: <3E02A076.C12057D5@earthlink.net> <3E03CFE1.4E76BC0@tapehissrecordings.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott Carr wrote: > I have heard good things about them in the past, but I'm pretty sure > that they're charging something like $75 a year. > > Scott Yah...ampcast charges $75/year. The advantage over mp3.com is that you can send them a redbook CD and they'll use it as the source for your CDs (unlike mp3.com which uses .mp3 files as the source for their CDs). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 21 06:41:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15705; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:40:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:40:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1bd.189dfa4f.2b35acf1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:39:29 EST Subject: Re: hofstadter /Dawkins Re: mathematic processes & tone clock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Wow, does he talk about it in Godel Escher Bach. It's a big book and > a mystical experience for me, as well. LOOPERS REALLY NEED TO GET THIS > BOOK. It's very like what we do with sound but applied to life. Or start with his "Metamagical Themas", which is a collection of short pieces. (GEB is full of little mathematical exercises) Probably an easier way in to the Hofstader world, (GEB is full of little mathematical exercises) and some excellent examples of polyrhythms in the music of Chopin. (full also, of all sorts of loopy stuff). andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 21 07:11:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18402; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 07:11:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 07:11:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <77.534cc6e.2b35b461@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 07:11:13 EST Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Acoustical theory helped me to devise a reed > instrument with a resonator for each note. The formant of each resonator > can still be altered by covering and uncovering the holes. Is this science > or music? Again, I don't mind how you call it; I'm just pleased with the > sounding result, quite different from any other instrument. And I am > fascinated by the fact that sounds can be visualised, in waveforms by means > of an oscilloscope, or with spectral analysis. can you tell us more about this instrument (very interested) 21st Century Orchestral Instruments there's a lot of stuff in the downloadable study about how tonality might relate to harmony, and new instruments (microtonal) > By the way, numbers were implicit in music long before maths were invented. > Anthropologists have found primitive societies where the concept of time is > non-existent. But they did not find societies without music. And where > music is, there is rhythm, and scales, with fixed intervals. Obviously > musicians can play with scrutinous precision to the rhythms and scales > whether or not they are interested in visual representation. The fact is > that the musical mind loves to hear repetition in well-defined portions of > time and pitch. but when I hear recordings of "primitive" cultures making music there is not really fixed intervals. ...and in some very old cultures the music theory is lost, and a glorious out of tuneness between the instruments develops. Sometimes there's no rhythm, just a pulse. The single repeated drum beat. Often a second drummer is totally out of time. ...and then it sounds real good:-) Shamanic drumming often seems intended to create a continuous drone, with the rhythm/pulse being irrelevant. Especially when there's a group of drummers all beating different tempi. I'd also say that people who learn rhythms before learning to read music have a distinct advantage in the rhythmic feel department. (the bar lines interfere with perception somehow) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 21 08:06:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21499; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:04:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:04:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "CT-Collective" , "Loopers Delight" Subject: mp3.com changes and alternatives? Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:08:52 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com beginning in Febuary, mp3.com will cut the max number of titles down to three for non-paying members. I wonder if I should start to pay for my mp3.com pages, or if there are other still free alternatives - sites which can do mp3 streaming in a similar fashion. Ideas anyone? = michael peters = www.mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 21 12:31:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03783; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:31:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:31:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021221092527.00b82248@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:30:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: mp3.com changes and alternatives? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-UDM9B.A.86.cVKB-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try the Internet Underground Music Archive - http://www.iuma.com/ -Hans http://armatronix.iuma.com/ At 05:08 21/12/2002, you wrote: >beginning in Febuary, mp3.com will cut the max number of titles down to >three for non-paying members. I wonder if I should start to pay for my >mp3.com pages, or if there are other still free alternatives - sites which >can do mp3 streaming in a similar fashion. Ideas anyone? > >= michael peters >= www.mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 21 18:00:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23621; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:57:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:57:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1a6.e1d951d.2b364bde@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:57:34 EST Subject: Re: mp3.com changes and alternatives? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA23600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there! In a message dated 12/21/02 9:34:09 AM, armatronix@charter.net writes: >>beginning in February, mp3.com will cut the max number of titles down to >>three for non-paying members. I wonder if I should start to pay for my >>mp3.com pages, or if there are other still free alternatives - sites which >>can do mp3 streaming in a similar fashion. Ideas anyone? Hmmmmm. I hadn't heard this, 'Tis bad news for me. I have two pages up there with several files on each. It was great while it was free. I'm not sure it'll be worth it to pay. I'd be better off simply designing and putting up my own website. I guess I'd better get of the dime and dust of that Dream Weaver box . . . install the software and learn to use it. Oh well. I knew it'd come in handy eventually. Argh! tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 03:30:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22079; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 03:24:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 03:24:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.170.192.48] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: cccory@sonic.net Subject: Jim Lanpheer? Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:20:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2002 08:20:14.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3ED4DD0:01C2A992] Resent-Message-ID: <-_sH_D.A.5YF.FbXB-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anybody have any contact info for Jim Lanpheer? >From: "The Cory's" >To: Matt Davignon >Subject: Jim Lanpheer >Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:58:34 -0800 > >i am trying to locate this guy's email. >could you forward this to someone who knows >the LOOPERS DELIGHT mailing list well? > >c _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 06:13:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02813; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 06:11:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 06:11:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Eudora 5.1-J For Mac OS X Message-Id: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:10:51 +0900 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: [webcast/gig info] 12/23 Timothy O'Dwyer "switch + reed + string" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, This is information of our series Internet broadcast live gig from Kobe,Japan. It called "Live from Far East". Vol.20 performance is 23th Dec. 2002 You can see our gig via Real Player. Please visit below: http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east or http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/broadcast Timothy O'Dwyer "switch + reed + string" Timothy O'Dwyer (Saxophones. from Australia) http://www.makeitupclub.com Machiko Kitagawa (Koto,Shamisen,Voice) http://member.nifty.ne.jp/SUSANOCLUB/ PheromonsterDISK (Powerbook G4) http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/365/pheromonsterdisk.html Sunao Inami (Powerbook G4) http://www.cavestudio.com 19:00 - 22:00 (JST)$B!!(Bnight = 10:00 - 13:00 (GMT) noon = 2:00 - 5:00 (PST) late night = 5:00 - 8:00 (EST) early morning The World Clock - Time Zones http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ Download flyer http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/flyer/12_23_2002_tim.jpg ------ More Info and contacts: C.U.E. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue cue@cavestudio.org CAPHOUSE #314, 3-19-8 Yamamoto Dori, Chuo-ku Kobe,Japan 650-0003 Tel & Fax : +81 (0)78-241-9389 ------ Previous gigs photos available on "Flash Back" http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/flashback _____________________ Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 11:10:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19525; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:09:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:09:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?GIG_ALERT:_M=FCnchen/Germany_-=3E_Eclectic_Blah_=3C-?= Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:10:18 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c2a9d4$9fc03550$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MoinSound presents: "The Last Days of Club Veedol" featuring: ECLECTIC BLAH wheels of steel: Tha Funky Barrister, DJ Scott (Milch&Bar, Starskys, Backstage,...) 4.1.2003, Club Veedol, Welserstr. 15, 81373 München http://www.map24.de/map24/index.php3?map24_sid=215d3431981de37d822a4e5afe829 ccb&street0=Welserstr.+15&zip0=8&city0=M%FCnchen&country0=de&gcf=1&maptype=J AVA&force_maptype=RELOAD&x=8&y=4 Doors 22h Freely improvised contemporary dance music. Sound for your feet, for your ears, for your mind and foor your booty. What might sound like a complete utopia has become reality with Munich's "Eclectic Blah". For the first time reinforced by Afterguard Christian Klos (fretless bass), the ensemble presents itself for the first time in 2003 in the hallowed halls of Club Veedol. Support is brought by an illustrous pas-de-deux d'DJ, consisting of Blah's own Tha Funky Barrister and DJ Scott, a famed capacity in Munich's DJ scene from Milch&Bar to Valentinstüberl. nota bene to loopers: the ensemble's own Rainer Straschill (keys, sax, efx) will provide heavy loopage by use of several weird electronic devices. Eclectic Blah: www.eblah.de Eclectic Blah Sound Archives: www.mp3.com/eblah Email: eblah@moinlabs.de Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 14:45:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31459; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:44:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:44:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:41:11 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Gary Hall loop software review in Electronic Musician To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E061557.EFBD1FC1@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I just got done reading a nice review of a VST plug-in that emulates the Lexicon PCM-42 by the man who designed the PCM-42, or own Gary Hall. He gives it a thumbs up mostly, so I guess it's a nice step in the world of software loopers. I'd check it out if they do develop a MAS version. Check out the review. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 14:49:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31772; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:47:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:47:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c2a9f3$2d45ee60$f091ef18@earthlink.net> From: "Sarth" To: References: <77.534cc6e.2b35b461@aol.com> Subject: Re: music by numbers Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:49:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd really like to hear recordings of some of the drumming you're referring to. I find it very hard to conceptualize drumming where one drummer is completely out of time with another. -- Sarth ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 7:11 AM Subject: Re: music by numbers > > Acoustical theory helped me to devise a reed > > instrument with a resonator for each note. The formant of each resonator > > can still be altered by covering and uncovering the holes. Is this science > > or music? Again, I don't mind how you call it; I'm just pleased with the > > sounding result, quite different from any other instrument. And I am > > fascinated by the fact that sounds can be visualised, in waveforms by > means > > of an oscilloscope, or with spectral analysis. > > can you tell us more about this instrument (very interested) > > 21st Century Orchestral > Instruments > > there's a lot of stuff in the downloadable study about how > tonality might relate to harmony, and new instruments > (microtonal) > > > > By the way, numbers were implicit in music long before maths were > invented. > > Anthropologists have found primitive societies where the concept of time > is > > non-existent. But they did not find societies without music. And where > > music is, there is rhythm, and scales, with fixed intervals. Obviously > > musicians can play with scrutinous precision to the rhythms and scales > > whether or not they are interested in visual representation. The fact is > > that the musical mind loves to hear repetition in well-defined portions of > > time and pitch. > > but when I hear recordings of "primitive" cultures > making music there is not really fixed intervals. > ...and in some very old cultures the music > theory is lost, and a glorious out of tuneness > between the instruments develops. > Sometimes there's no rhythm, just a pulse. > The single repeated drum beat. > Often a second drummer is totally out of time. > ...and then it sounds real good:-) > > Shamanic drumming often seems intended to > create a continuous drone, with the rhythm/pulse being > irrelevant. Especially when there's a group of drummers > all beating different tempi. > > I'd also say that people who learn rhythms before > learning to read music have a distinct advantage > in the rhythmic feel department. > (the bar lines interfere with perception somehow) > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 15:09:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01608; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:08:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:08:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.160.122.14] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gary Hall loop software review in Electronic Musician PSP42 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:05:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2002 20:05:37.0883 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EC6BAB0:01C2A9F5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This looks cool & you don't have to spend $1500 on a "real" 42 (i wish i could :P) www.pspaudioware.com There is a great review in Grooves mag #9 too www.groovesmag.com >From: Mark >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Gary Hall loop software review in Electronic Musician >Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:41:11 -0800 > >Hey, > >I just got done reading a nice review of a VST plug-in that emulates the >Lexicon PCM-42 by the man who designed the PCM-42, or own Gary Hall. He >gives it a thumbs up mostly, so I guess it's a nice step in the world of >software loopers. I'd check it out if they do develop a MAS version. >Check out the review. > >Mark Sottilaro _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 16:05:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05414; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:02:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:02:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: mp3.com changes and alternatives? Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:07:17 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021221092527.00b82248@pop.charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Try the Internet Underground Music Archive - http://www.iuma.com/ > -Hans http://armatronix.iuma.com/ looks good to me. what's your experience with iuma so far hans? and ... does anyone how they finance that thing? ... i've always wondered how big places like mp3.com do the financing - running such a place must cost a fortune. just by placing ads? by selling some of the music? = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb = www.mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 16:21:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06179; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:20:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:20:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:20:42 -0800 Subject: Re: mp3.com changes and alternatives? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9QMlY.A.dgB.uyiB-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What's the sign up process for IUMA? The links on the artists page talk about tonospro or something like that, but that's a paid model. Or maybe I'm just blind. Mark on 12/22/02 1:07 PM, Michael Peters at mpeters@csi.com wrote: >> Try the Internet Underground Music Archive - http://www.iuma.com/ >> -Hans http://armatronix.iuma.com/ > > > looks good to me. what's your experience with iuma so far hans? > > and ... does anyone how they finance that thing? ... i've always wondered > how big places like mp3.com do the financing - running such a place must > cost a fortune. just by placing ads? by selling some of the music? > > > = michael peters > = computer graphics + electronic music > = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > = www.mp3.com/veloopity > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 17:12:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09758; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:11:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:11:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Original-Recipient: Message-ID: <001f01c2aa07$0d748bf0$32d1d3d9@ljudform> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Eriksson?= To: References: Subject: Re: mp3.com changes and alternatives? Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:11:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't say if the tonosPro is a good deal or not - but you can aswell skip it and go directly to free sign up at http://www.iuma.com/artistuplink/ Don't know if there is any hidden drawbacks on IUMA compared to mp3.com. I think IUMA is pretty good imho. Yours, Björn Eriksson http://ig.iuma.com/ (my old IUMA site) http://bjoeri.iuma.com/ (this I started after reading this thread, probably it may take some days before it is approved, but it did only take about ten minutes to set it up) http://www.mp3.com/internationalgarbage/ (site which I might be unable to keep if they are going to charge multiple track housings...) http://www.tapegerm.com/ (music collective I am member at) > What's the sign up process for IUMA? The links on the artists page talk > about tonospro or something like that, but that's a paid model. Or maybe I'm > just blind. > > Mark > > on 12/22/02 1:07 PM, Michael Peters at mpeters@csi.com wrote: > > >> Try the Internet Underground Music Archive - http://www.iuma.com/ > >> -Hans http://armatronix.iuma.com/ > > > > > > looks good to me. what's your experience with iuma so far hans? > > > > and ... does anyone how they finance that thing? ... i've always wondered > > how big places like mp3.com do the financing - running such a place must > > cost a fortune. just by placing ads? by selling some of the music? > > > > > > = michael peters > > = computer graphics + electronic music > > = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > > = www.mp3.com/veloopity > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 17:55:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11705; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:52:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:52:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:49:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Gary Hall loop software review in Electronic Musician From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E061557.EFBD1FC1@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hey, > > I just got done reading a nice review of a VST plug-in that emulates the > Lexicon PCM-42 by the man who designed the PCM-42, or own Gary Hall. He > gives it a thumbs up mostly, so I guess it's a nice step in the world of > software loopers. I'd check it out if they do develop a MAS version. > Check out the review. > > Mark Sottilaro > ~lexicon PCM42~ rules my looping world and i guess emulation is the highest form of flattery er somethin... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 22:10:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28141; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:09:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:09:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021222185618.00b8bd20@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 19:09:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: RE: mp3.com changes and alternatives? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021221092527.00b82248@pop.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it's great. It took them a while to approve me initially, but after that it's really user-friendly. -Hans At 13:07 22/12/2002, you wrote: >looks good to me. what's your experience with iuma so far hans? > >= michael peters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 22:36:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29479; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:34:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:34:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ae01c2aa33$b860c980$1826d9c8@fuckinmachine> From: "Julio Moreno" To: Subject: test Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 01:31:01 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C2AA22.F420DE80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C2AA22.F420DE80 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00AB_01C2AA22.F420DE80" ------=_NextPart_001_00AB_01C2AA22.F420DE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable test __________________________________________________________________ Julio Moreno ICQ#: 49128266 Current ICQ status: =20 + More ways to contact me=20 __________________________________________________________________ ------=_NextPart_001_00AB_01C2AA22.F420DE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_001_00AB_01C2AA22.F420DE80-- ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C2AA22.F420DE80 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="online?icq=49128266&img=21" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://web.icq.com/whitepages/online?icq=49128266&img=21 R0lGODlhTQAQAJEAAP//AAD/AAAAAP///ywAAAAATQAQAAACjZw/IsjtD6OcZoWlFt28N5UMwQVe 3olCWEmKJgqmqcVaL5PFDqjLHL0SaXDDHsLoo+SEOWSiuMpUgs3DMmkDAQDAD/Q5BfM04zDWYNra bmYxmRp0X33NBTdLtMbLZXfymFUnBagH5tfX9xcyUtK1cxXDt/c2KPPG5MKmuKmCwYTHGSoBZyhq 6jVUempaAAA7AA== ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C2AA22.F420DE80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 23:24:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32388; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:21:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:21:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E068F6D.A0CFCA4B@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:22:05 -0500 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: test References: <00ae01c2aa33$b860c980$1826d9c8@fuckinmachine> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Grade = F. HTML mail sucks. :) Merry X-mas > Julio Moreno wrote: > > test > __________________________________________________________________ > Julio Moreno > ICQ#: 49128266 > Current ICQ status: [Image] > > + More ways to contact me > __________________________________________________________________ -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 23:42:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00724; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:39:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:39:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d401c2aa3c$bd6ea560$1826d9c8@fuckinmachine> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <00ae01c2aa33$b860c980$1826d9c8@fuckinmachine> <3E068F6D.A0CFCA4B@tapehissrecordings.com> Subject: Re: test / off topic Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:35:10 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry ...i instaled the last icq and this apears in my mail program ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Carr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:22 AM Subject: Re: test Grade = F. HTML mail sucks. :) Merry X-mas > Julio Moreno wrote: > > test > __________________________________________________________________ > Julio Moreno > ICQ#: 49128266 > Current ICQ status: [Image] > > + More ways to contact me > __________________________________________________________________ -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 23 10:10:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05581; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:08:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:08:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1040656085!27189 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA97@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: music by numbers Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:01:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2AA94.32EADE10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AA94.32EADE10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" on a related theme, I remembered seeing this link in SOS a while back. elsewhere on the same site is a useful little flash (?) gizmo that shows you how good you are at tap-tempo-ing. http://www.harmonics.com/lucy/ arthur lee- many happy returns for saturday just gone; hope you spent the day well. season's greetings to all who loop, have looped or will loop, and remember: garbage in, garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out (and so on).... I'm off to spend the rest of the day crying over my clash albums. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AA94.32EADE10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: music by numbers

on a related theme, I remembered seeing this link in SOS = a while back. elsewhere on the same site is a useful little flash (?) gizmo= that shows you how good you are at tap-tempo-ing.

http://www.harmonics.com/lucy/

arthur lee- many happy returns for saturday just gone; ho= pe you spent the day well.

season's greetings to all who loop, have looped or will l= oop, and remember: garbage in, garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage = out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out= garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out ga= rbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out (and so on)....

I'm off to spend the rest of the day crying over my clash= albums.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AA94.32EADE10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 23 11:30:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10565; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:28:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:28:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021223162825.5627.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:28:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: OT: Eccentric Luthiery Support Group To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA97@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Inspired by a thread over on the Torn list, a few of us are now members of a new Yahoo group, the Eccentric Luthiery Support Group. It's for people who feel inspired to build/have built stringed instruments that can't be bought off the rack, players/makers/modifiers of unusual stringed beasties created/tweaked to meet a specific need, wierdos/visionaries (depending on yer POV), DIYers and so forth. We're still in the formative stages, and there's not much there yet besides links, but it's going to be fun... Much of the focus of the ELSG is definitely of interest to many LD members, but as it's really tangential here, c'mon over! You can check it out at or subscribe directly at Thanks, -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 23 11:41:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11348; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:40:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:40:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1040661622!3205 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA9A@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: Eccentric Luthiery Support Group Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:33:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2AAA1.171FC5D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AAA1.171FC5D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>a few of us are now members of a new Yahoo group, the Eccentric Luthiery Support Group. It's for people who feel inspired to build/have built stringed instruments that can't be bought off the rack<< I waited 9 months for my rickenbacker 5-string bass to arrive- does this count? at the time, I was carrying all the melodies on my 4001 in a band with two rhythm guitarists, sort of a one-man chris squire tribute. now I have a fender VI, and I did try a stick once in argent's shop..... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AAA1.171FC5D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: Eccentric Luthiery Support Group

>>a few of us are now members of a new Yahoo group,= the Eccentric Luthiery Support Group.
It's for people who feel inspired to build/have built st= ringed instruments that can't be bought off the rack<<

I waited 9 months for my rickenbacker 5-string bass to ar= rive- does this count? at the time, I was carrying all the melodies on my 4= 001 in a band with two rhythm guitarists, sort of a one-man chris squire tr= ibute. now I have a fender VI, and I did try a stick once in argent's shop.= ....

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AAA1.171FC5D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 23 11:51:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11871; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:48:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:48:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021223164827.46999.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:48:27 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: Eccentric Luthiery Support Group To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA9A@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7Qq4EB.A.Z5C.65zB-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I waited 9 months for my rickenbacker 5-string bass > to arrive- does this count? Yeah, we're easy. Now if you've ever had a secret desire to route out a little area on the upper bout in which to install a tiny Casio with the two-button sequencer and a delay circuit wired into the second jack of your Rick-O-Sound output, there'd be no question. 8^) -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 23 11:59:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12438; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:58:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:58:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: HoosierTimes: Grammy hopeful takes his own road to success Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:55:22 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [looper's] RE: Eccentric Luthiery Support Group Thread-Index: AcKqo1WDbIEEy64PTNq/ZwwDiu1mpAAAvdlA From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2002 16:58:37.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[897A0930:01C2AAA4] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA12413 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An article of interest may be viewed at: http://www.hoosiertimes.com/stories/thisday/scene.021222_SH_E1_WCS92343.sto If this story is more than seven days old, an access fee may apply. (Note that some email programs may 'wrap' the URL (address) onto two lines; it should actually be on one line only) This message brought to you by HoosierTimes.com, http://www.hoosiertimes.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 23 12:10:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14272; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:08:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:08:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1040663326!715 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA9B@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [looper's] RE: Eccentric Luthiery Support Group Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:02:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2AAA5.0E7157B0" Resent-Message-ID: <_UvcID.A.6eD.kM0B-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AAA5.0E7157B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>if you've ever had a secret desire to route out a little area on the upper bout in which to install a tiny Casio with the two-button sequencer and a delay circuit wired into the second jack of your Rick-O-Sound output, there'd be no question.<< rumbled! my 4001 has an extra pickup hidden in the tailpiece where the string damper used to be. I may aswell 'fess up now to having /butchered/ an antoria "black eagle" jazz bass, probably a collector's item by now, by adding a fifth string myself. and defretting it. this'd be late 1983, after seeing a 5-string stingray for the first time. and my first bass... I painted it blue, with clouds, and it had a built-in pre-amp/oscillator that made the most horrible noise. 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>>if you've ever had a secret desire to route out a= little area on the upper bout in which to install a tiny Casio with the tw= o-button sequencer and a delay circuit wired into the second jack of your R= ick-O-Sound output, there'd be no question.<<


rumbled! my 4001 has an extra pickup hidden in the tailpi= ece where the string damper used to be. I may aswell 'fess up now to having= /butchered/ an antoria "black eagle" jazz bass, probably a colle= ctor's item by now, by adding a fifth string myself. and defretting it. thi= s'd be late 1983, after seeing a 5-string stingray for the first time. and = my first bass... I painted it blue, with clouds, and it had a built-in pre-= amp/oscillator that made the most horrible noise.

I s'pose I'm in, then....

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AAA5.0E7157B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 23 17:11:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10350; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:10:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:10:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Poppen" To: Subject: RE: HoosierTimes: Grammy hopeful takes his own road to success Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:08:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Link was broken, found the article here: http://www.hoosiertimes.com/stories/2002/12/22/scene.021222_SH_E1_WCS92343.s to Congrats Denis! > -----Original Message----- > From: Taaffe, Denis G [mailto:dtaaffe@indiana.edu] > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 8:55 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: HoosierTimes: Grammy hopeful takes his own road to success > > > > An article of interest may be viewed at: > > http://www.hoosiertimes.com/stories/thisday/scene.021222_SH_E1_WCS > 92343.sto > > If this story is more than seven days old, an access fee may apply. > > (Note that some email programs may 'wrap' the URL (address) onto > two lines; it should actually be on one line only) > This message brought to you by HoosierTimes.com, http://www.hoosiertimes.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 23 20:21:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27263; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:21:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:21:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.167.29.6] From: "Louis Rossi" Subject: Happy Holidays! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:18:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2002 01:18:54.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CE4FA50:01C2AAEA] Resent-Message-ID: <7Tg0XB.A.5pG.Da7B-@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ciao Friends. PEACE on earth, good will toward men. Wishing you a joyous holiday & a peaceful new year Best regards. Lou _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_advancedjmf_3mf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 03:35:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27988; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:31:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:31:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <182.1415f799.2b397570@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:31:44 EST Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'd really like to hear recordings of some of the drumming you're referring > to. I find it very hard to conceptualize drumming where one drummer is > completely out of time with another. > > -- Sarth > Tawe Pilakou well the CD I have is:- Prophet 03 Papua New Guinea Philips 538714-2 Above is a link to an audio excerpt (courtesy Amazon). If that excerpt goes from the start of the track (I haven't been able to check) then you'll clearly hear drummer 2 coming in with a similar, but not related tempo. Throughout the piece drummer 2 drifts about behind the beat, but at the start there's a brief period where the 2 tempi rub up against each other. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 08:54:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19329; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 08:53:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 08:53:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c2ab54$109e2f40$a6275a0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <182.1415f799.2b397570@aol.com> Subject: Re: music by numbers Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 08:55:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy originally wrote: > but when I hear recordings of "primitive" cultures > making music there is not really fixed intervals. > ...and in some very old cultures the music > theory is lost, and a glorious out of tuneness > between the instruments develops. > Sometimes there's no rhythm, just a pulse. > The single repeated drum beat. > Often a second drummer is totally out of time. > ...and then it sounds real good:-) Sarth replied: > > I'd really like to hear recordings of some of the drumming you're referring > > to. I find it very hard to conceptualize drumming where one drummer is > > completely out of time with another. Andy responded (with a sound clip): > well the CD I have is:- > Prophet 03 Papua New Guinea Philips 538714-2 > If that excerpt goes from the start of the track > (I haven't been able to check) then you'll clearly > hear drummer 2 coming in with a similar, but not > related tempo. > Throughout the piece drummer 2 drifts about behind > the beat, but at the start there's a brief period where > the 2 tempi rub up against each other. Thanks for the great example, Andy. I was also trying to think up a concrete example for this sort of "rhythmic drift" but didn't have the time to go through piles of old ethnographic LPs (to which no one else would have been able to listen anyway). Even though the audio clip is only 30 seconds, you can distinctly hear the two drummers fall out of phase with each other. And you're right -- it does sound great. I agree with Sarth that it would be almost impossible for us (with our preconceived set of musical esthetics, conventions and expectations) to try to execute this type of playing. I'm sure most of us would think of it as being "just plain wrong" and that the second drummer had no sense of time, or had otherwise stumbled. A few other corollaries I can think of: Some of the early 70's Miles Davis funk/fusion recordings like "On The Corner," "Big Fun," "Live Evil," etc. feature multiple percussionists who are sometimes playing against the main beat of the trap drummer. Often they're playing out of time to provide more of a texture or "color" than a solid beat. This gives the overall effect of the same feeling of "rhythmic drift" (as opposed to a more tightly structured polyrhythm). Teo Macero, the producer of these recordings, actually did a lot of splicing, looping and weaving together of different tracks, which probably accounts for some of the different concurrent tempi. Andy also mentions "a glorious out of tuneness." Great term! I too love that fuzzy intonation sometimes heard in various folk and traditional performers from around the world, especially the musically "uneducated" or "primitive" (in the sense of "self-taught" rather than the derogatory sense of "backward" or "uncivilized"). Another jazz example of this "glorious out of tuneness" that I really enjoyed was Sun Ra. The first time I saw him, his Arkestra consisted of 35 musicians. (It was in a small club and the musicians took up more floor space than the audience!) I don't think any of the musicians had bothered to tune their instruments to a common standard. At first I found this very jarring and thought it most unprofessional. During the "noise" or "free" segments of the show the lack of common intonation didn't really matter. But when they played Ra's arrangements of jazz and big-band standards it was quite noticeable. It was only after I had seen them four or five times that I was able to move beyond the "Oh man, they are SO out of tune!" way of thinking and begin to appreciate the greater sonic warmth that this fuzzy intonation offered. It really seemed to expand the sound and make a section of 5 saxophones appear more like 20 players. I later learned that this same sort of out-of-tuneness is deliberately cultivated in some musical traditions, for example, Indonesian gamelan orchestras, where a pair of gongs will be tuned several cents apart so that when they're played together they will produce acoustical beating, which greatly widens the sound. I guess this all comes back to the idea that there are multiple ways of hearing, and that we often need to go beyond the musical prejudices of our own traditions in order to appreciate other musical cultures. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 10:07:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26057; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:06:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:06:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:10:14 -0500 Subject: Re: HoosierTimes: Grammy hopeful takes his own road to success From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3123569414_593058_MIME_Part" X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop015.verizon.net from [141.149.189.228] at Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:06:08 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3123569414_593058_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hey Denis-- That's really cool. Congratulations. Thanks for posting the link, Jim. Dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net 617-470-2087 on 12/23/02 5:08 PM, Jim Poppen at zebu@cox.net wrote: Link was broken, found the article here: http://www.hoosiertimes.com/stories/2002/12/22/scene.021222_SH_E1_WCS92343.s to Congrats Denis! --MS_Mac_OE_3123569414_593058_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: HoosierTimes: Grammy hopeful takes his own road to success</TITL= E> </HEAD> <BODY> hey Denis--<BR> <BR> That's really cool. Congratulations. <BR> <BR> Thanks for posting the link, Jim.<BR> <BR> <BR> Dan<BR> <BR> -- <BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Trebuchet MS"><B>ghost 7/ Oranje<BR> http://envelopeproductions.com<BR> d.ans@verizon.net<BR> 617-470-2087</B></FONT> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> on 12/23/02 5:08 PM, Jim Poppen at zebu@cox.net wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>Link was broken, found the article here:<BR> http://www.hoosiertimes.com/stories/2002/12/22/scene.021222_SH_E1_WCS92343.= s<BR> to<BR> <BR> Congrats Denis!<BR> <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </BODY> </HTML> --MS_Mac_OE_3123569414_593058_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 10:25:16 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27624; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:24:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:24:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <spgoodman@earthlight.net> Message-ID: <003101c2ab61$05548dc0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" <spgoodman@earthlight.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <BA2DE306.1216%d.ans@verizon.net> Subject: Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:27:49 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <uNOxsB.A.ivG.fwHC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: HoosierTimes: Grammy hopeful takes his own road to successPlease accept my warmest wishes - and my wife's too! - for this season! The new Loop of the Week is a seasonal one as well! It's at http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html#LOTW and judging by the weather reports from the US it should be applicable for some time! Our Christmas card for 2002 is also available from there, but is at http://www.earthlight.net/Christmas2002.html if you can't wait. :) Merry Merry! Stephen Goodman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 11:14:58 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32489; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:14:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:14:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <nihilist> Message-ID: <018701c2ab67$448d7e60$c5444ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> To: "Loop List" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Subject: new review of my CD! Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:12:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <AlsvwC.A.j7H.UfIC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.tollbooth.org/2003/reviews/lawson.html just found this review of 'Not Dancing for Chicken' - 5/5, that's rather nice... :o) Happy Christmas all - hope to see lots of you at gigs in the new year... Had a get together yesterday with Theo Travis (sax/flautist with Gong, amongst others) - him looping his flutes and sax with a DL4, and me doing my EDP+basses stuff - sounds marvellous, hoping to do some shows in the new year... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (christmas message here) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 12:03:43 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04315; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:00:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:00:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <psychle62@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021224170004.36942.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:00:04 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com> Subject: Gear for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <018701c2ab67$448d7e60$c5444ed5@bigboy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <ht9H2D.A.VDB.zKJC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Due to the one-two punch of a layoff and a prolonged divorce proceeding, I’m finding it necessary to thin the herd a bit and sell some gear I’m not using as much as I should. If anyone’s interested in any of these items, please contact me off-list at psychle62@yahoo.com. Digitech XP-300 Space Station w/ manual and power supply. $185 or best offer. <http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/DigiTech/XP_300_Space_Station-01.html> Boss AW-2 Auto-Wah $45 or best offer. <http://www.guitargeek.com/gearview/37/> Roland RS-09 V.1 Strings/Organ $150 or best offer. <http://www.vintagesynth.org/roland/rs09.shtml> AR.Acoustic 65-watt Pro-Verb Acoustic amplifier. $225 <http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data/A_R__Acoustic/Pro_Verb_65_Combo-01.html> Original Loops for Acid software: Marc Anderson:Dragon Dance World Percussion $45 <http://www.sonicfoundry.com/Loop_Libraries/ShowLoop.asp?PID=176> Drum Tools Drum and Percussion Loops $45 <http://www.sonicfoundry.com/Loop_Libraries/ShowLoop.asp?PID=43> Siggi Baldursson Drum Sugar $45 <http://www.sonicfoundry.com/Loop_Libraries/ShowLoop.asp?PID=458> Ethnicity $45 <http://www.sonicfoundry.com/Loop_Libraries/ShowLoop.asp?PID=33> Robert Rich: Liquid Planet $45 <http://www.sonicfoundry.com/Loop_Libraries/ShowLoop.asp?PID=238> Turkish oud (Slightly smaller than yer usual oud, this one has 10 strings in five double courses, rather than the usual 11.) $200 Fender Rhodes 73. $250 (Needs an overhaul, BUT I'm including a very thick printout of the repair and maintenance manual, plus some info on mods from the old Dyno-My-Piano guys. This was a project I never got around to...) Can't ship this one; I'm an hour north of Boston. Thanks & Happy Holidays, -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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I will mail out five free copies to the first five people who e-mail me from the Looper's Delight list. All I want in return is a review/comment from these individuals (good or bad). I will announce the individuals who will receive the cds on the Looper's Delight . Re:Cooperation will also be available from: www.unclebuzz.com and www.dogfingers.com. Please feel free to contact me with any questions or comments. Thanks, James Sidlo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 16:44:08 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26505; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:42:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:42:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <Darinflame@aol.com> From: Darinflame@aol.com Message-ID: <49.287cd759.2b3a2ead@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:42:05 EST Subject: Re: Cooperation "Transcollaboration" cd release spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_49.287cd759.2b3a2ead_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Resent-Message-ID: <Xz-oeD.A.DeG.vSNC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list 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--part1_49.287cd759.2b3a2ead_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 16:45:09 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26801; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:44:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:44:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <Luigimeloni74@libero.it> Message-ID: <003801c2ab95$c2657120$dc2d2697@server> From: "Luigi Meloni" <Luigimeloni74@libero.it> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Merry Xmas Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 22:45:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C2AB9E.23D5ECC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <Eb_BhC.A.riG.1UNC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C2AB9E.23D5ECC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to everybody on the list. Ciao Luigi ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C2AB9E.23D5ECC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to = everybody on the=20 list.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ciao</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Luigi</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C2AB9E.23D5ECC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 18:01:31 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31522; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:58:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:58:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <lucafeed@tin.it> Message-ID: <005601c0737f$eb0666c0$7287abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" <lucafeed@tin.it> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <49.287cd759.2b3a2ead@aol.com> Subject: Re: Cooperation "Transcollaboration" cd release spam Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 00:17:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <gz8TjD.A.csH.CaOC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like to give it a listen so, if you like..... luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 18:39:55 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02086; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:39:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:39:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <sempai@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:38:47 -0500 From: Sempai <sempai@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Re:Cooperation "Transcollaboration" cd release spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001101c2aba5$9cff0f30$fe762544@user0jd9dje1rf> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <c9.2d9d396f.2b3a1e1d@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <OwGeDD.A.gg.nAPC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like one!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jhsidlo@aol.com> To: <loopers-delight@annihilist.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re:Cooperation "Transcollaboration" cd release spam > Howdy, > > Re:Cooperation, a collaborative effort between David Cooper Orton and > myself is now available. I will mail out five free copies to the first five > people who e-mail me from the Looper's Delight list. > All I want in return is a review/comment from these individuals (good > or bad). I will announce the individuals who will receive the cds on the > Looper's Delight . Re:Cooperation will also be available from: > www.unclebuzz.com and www.dogfingers.com. Please feel free to contact me with > any questions or comments. > > > Thanks, James Sidlo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 18:56:32 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02849; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:56:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:56:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <nihilist> From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <fb.336bd288.2b3a4e04@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:55:48 EST Subject: Re:Cooperation cd Winners are... To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <K2seuC.A.bs.QQPC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1)Daniel Pratt 2) Tom Ritchford 3) Steve Burnett 4) Mark Sottilaro, 5) gary@friendlyspider.com Thank you and if you've not e-mailed me your address, please do. I'll try to mail out by this Thursday. James H. Sidlo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 19:38:35 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05420; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:37:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:37:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <ArsOcarina@aol.com> From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1b9.b560d5c.2b3a57b0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:37:04 EST Subject: Merry Christmas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA05394 Resent-Message-ID: <_1MDUC.A.hUB.b3PC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopfolks, It's a troubled world we live in and indeed it's always been so. However, may the Joy of Christmas find you all tomorrow. May we all have one day of Peace and pray that we have more. Let us contemplate the season and stay away from the stores. Pax tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 00:41:39 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22812; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 00:40:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 00:40:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <sine@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 21:37:38 -0800 From: Mark <sine@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Cooperation cd Winners are... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E094422.25271205@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <fb.336bd288.2b3a4e04@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4w0IY.A.WkF.nTUC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is a Santa after all! Thanks! My address was in my email. Mark Sottilaro Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: > > 1)Daniel Pratt 2) Tom Ritchford 3) Steve Burnett 4) Mark Sottilaro, > > 5) gary@friendlyspider.com > > Thank you and if you've not e-mailed me your address, please do. I'll > try to mail out by this Thursday. > > > James H. Sidlo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 11:39:58 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24801; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:33:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:33:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <paulrichard10@attbi.com> Message-ID: <001a01c2acfc$24b9fd20$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" <paulrichard10@attbi.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: OT: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:30:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2ACD2.3BBAC240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <Lbk9-.A.bDG.33dC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2ACD2.3BBAC240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have this boss who's son is attending a local university that is = reputed to be a good music school. However, I keep hearing the most ridculous assertions made by my boss = pertaining to his son. The latest was his son's Boss GT-3 was responsible for blowing out the = speakers on his Marshall stack. Due to some 'hidden' features of the = GT-3 that not many people know or some such drivel. Doesn't make sense = to me. The output of a GT-3 (of which I had one once) was a line level = output if I remember correctly. How could the output blow the speakers = on a Marshall stack? Regards and Merry... and Happy... Paul ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2ACD2.3BBAC240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have this boss who's son is attending = a local=20 university that is reputed to be a good music school.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, I keep hearing the most = ridculous=20 assertions made by my boss pertaining to his son.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The latest was his son's Boss GT-3 was = responsible=20 for blowing out the speakers on his Marshall stack. Due to some = 'hidden' =20 features of the GT-3 that not many people know or some such drivel. = Doesn't make=20 sense to me. The output of a GT-3 (of which I had one once) was a line = level=20 output if I remember correctly. How could the output blow the speakers = on a=20 Marshall stack?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards and Merry... and = Happy...</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paul</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2ACD2.3BBAC240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 12:38:58 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28320; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:38:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:38:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <sine@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 09:35:03 -0800 From: Mark <sine@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: OT: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E09EC47.BCFD0C81@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <001a01c2acfc$24b9fd20$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: <e2bVbC.A.a6G.M0eC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I work with a guy like that too. Funny. He told me that he saw a device where you put a cd in, plugged your guitar into it and it automatically transformed your guitar sound into the exact sound the lead guitarist used in the song. Computer: Earl Gray. HOT. (the man I'm speaking of is an account manager who can barely play guitar and plunked down over a grand on a Les Paul Gothic) He should probably wait until a model that allows you to play like what ever guitarist is on the CD as well. On the other hand, you *can* blow speakers. Put a loud enough squarewave through a speaker cab at a loud enough volume and you can cook it. It's physics. I'm sure the GT-3 is capable of that. So is every other distortion device. Some speakers have thermal breakers to avoid such things, but even that won't get a big transient. Effects boxes don't blow speakers. People do. I've heard that per capita, Canadians have as many distortion boxes per capita as do Americans, yet only have 65 blown speakers per year, yet America had 11,775 blown speakers last year. Mark Sottilaro (PS Canadians: this is a joke referencing the latest Michael Moore movie, and a complement) > Butch wrote: > > I have this boss who's son is attending a local university that is > reputed to be a good music school. > > However, I keep hearing the most ridculous assertions made by my boss > pertaining to his son. > > The latest was his son's Boss GT-3 was responsible for blowing out the > speakers on his Marshall stack. Due to some 'hidden' features of the > GT-3 that not many people know or some such drivel. Doesn't make sense > to me. The output of a GT-3 (of which I had one once) was a line level > output if I remember correctly. How could the output blow the speakers > on a Marshall stack? > > Regards and Merry... and Happy... > > Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 12:57:53 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29047; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:57:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:57:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <alan@akroeger.com> From: "Alan Kroeger" <alan@akroeger.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: RE: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:57:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c2ac3f$0f05ca30$0200a8c0@akm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2AC15.262FC230" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001a01c2acfc$24b9fd20$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: <mqsyhD.A.xFH.7FfC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2AC15.262FC230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't have a GT-3, but I do have a GT-6 and it has an output control on the back side. I would assert to this if it were a GT-6 and I will suppose that it is entirely possible with the GT-3. I accidentally did this by a combination as follows I was using an electric violin with a passive piezo system and switched to an electric guitar with higher output pickups. I had also switched amplifiers and blindly plugged the setup together and proceeded to test this setup. The amp was setup with the master and gain up and with the GT-6 patch I chose I almost blew the speaker out of coarse I didn't continue to use these settings, because I have some respect for the cost of my equiptment. I would also suspect that this fellow might be covering up for his sons tendency to abuse equiptment with his explanation. I would say that there are actually no hidden features in either the GT3 or the GT6 just people who don't pay attention to what they are doing or don't care ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Butch [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 11:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem I have this boss who's son is attending a local university that is reputed to be a good music school. However, I keep hearing the most ridculous assertions made by my boss pertaining to his son. The latest was his son's Boss GT-3 was responsible for blowing out the speakers on his Marshall stack. Due to some 'hidden' features of the GT-3 that not many people know or some such drivel. Doesn't make sense to me. The output of a GT-3 (of which I had one once) was a line level output if I remember correctly. How could the output blow the speakers on a Marshall stack? Regards and Merry... and Happy... 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I=20 don't have a GT-3, but I do have a GT-6 and it has an output control on = the back=20 side. I would assert to this if it were a GT-6 and I will suppose that = it is=20 entirely possible with the GT-3. I accidentally did this by a = combination as=20 follows I was using an electric violin with a passive piezo system and = switched=20 to an electric guitar with higher output pickups. I had also switched = amplifiers=20 and blindly plugged the setup together and proceeded to test this setup. = The amp=20 was setup with the master and gain up and with the GT-6 patch I chose I = almost=20 blew the speaker out of coarse I didn't continue to use these settings, = because=20 I have some respect for the cost of my equiptment. I would also suspect = that=20 this fellow might be covering up for his sons tendency to abuse = equiptment with=20 his explanation. I would say that there are actually no hidden features = in=20 either the GT3 or the GT6 just people who don't pay attention to what = they are=20 doing or don't care  ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: = Butch=20 [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com]
Sent: Thursday, December = 26, 2002=20 11:31 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 OT: University Music Degree Education or Student = Problem

I have this boss who's son is = attending a local=20 university that is reputed to be a good music school.
 
However, I keep hearing the most = ridculous=20 assertions made by my boss pertaining to his son.
 
The latest was his son's Boss GT-3 = was=20 responsible for blowing out the speakers on his Marshall stack. Due to = some=20 'hidden'  features of the GT-3 that not many people know or some = such=20 drivel. Doesn't make sense to me. The output of a GT-3 (of which I had = one=20 once) was a line level output if I remember correctly. How could the = output=20 blow the speakers on a Marshall stack?
 
Regards and Merry... and = Happy...
 
Paul
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2AC15.262FC230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 13:52:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32577; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:45:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:45:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <57.15ef8983.2b3b56b1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:45:05 EST Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Prophet 03 Papua New Guinea Philips 538714-2 > > Throughout the piece drummer 2 drifts about behind > > the beat, but at the start there's a brief period where > > the 2 tempi rub up against each other. > > Thanks for the great example, Andy. well, you're welcome I was searching for the "prophet" site, but found that instead. > I was also trying to think up a > concrete example for this sort of "rhythmic drift" but didn't have the time > to go through piles of old ethnographic LPs (to which no one else would have > been able to listen anyway). mmmmmmmm...piles of ethno LPs > > Even though the audio clip is only 30 seconds, you can distinctly hear the > two drummers fall out of phase with each other. And you're right -- it does > sound great. I agree with Sarth that it would be almost impossible for us > (with our preconceived set of musical esthetics, conventions and > expectations) to try to execute this type of playing. possible though, didn't the Steve Reich guys get some things going? and fun to practice on your own, with left hand as drum1 and right as drum2 of course, with a couple of nearly in sync loops a related effect is easy > I'm sure most of us > would think of it as being "just plain wrong" and that the second drummer > had no sense of time, or had otherwise stumbled. I don't think those guys have a sense of "out of time" yep, its the wrong notes that sound the best Check out Charles Ives > > Andy also mentions "a glorious out of tuneness." Great term! I too love > that fuzzy intonation sometimes heard in various folk and traditional > performers from around the world, especially the musically "uneducated" or > "primitive" (in the sense of "self-taught" rather than the derogatory sense > of "backward" or "uncivilized"). in some tibetan ritual music the different elements, shawms, voices, conches and long droning trumpets are each tonally unrelated. It's possible that when the music was originally conceived the trumpets were at the "correct" pitch as a tonic for the shawms. > Another jazz example of this "glorious out > of tuneness" that I really enjoyed was Sun Ra. > I don't think any of > the musicians had bothered to tune their instruments to a common standard. > when they played Ra's arrangements of > jazz and big-band standards it was quite noticeable. > I later learned that this same sort of out-of-tuneness is > deliberately cultivated in some musical traditions, blues piano. I used to know a guitarist who would write stuff which sounded great on his out of tune guitar. I could learn his stuff, but sounded rubbish till I put my own guitar out of tune. > for example, Indonesian > gamelan orchestras, where a pair of gongs will be tuned several cents apart > so that when they're played together they will produce acoustical beating, > which greatly widens the sound. yes, and each gamelan orch. is accurately tuned to it's own different scale. quote " I don't even know if he can play a Cmajor scale in tune, but everthing he plays is so fresh" -Charles Mingus about Ornette Coleman > I guess this all comes back to the idea that there are multiple ways of > hearing, and that we often need to go beyond the musical prejudices of our > own traditions in order to appreciate other musical cultures. yes, some of those other cultures have music theory much beyond our western stuff. (and some of them don't need it) andy butler (did mention loop didn't I?;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 14:31:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03503; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 14:30:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 14:30:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c2ac4c$22c25bd0$7c44fea9@your5olnb28oao> From: "Keith Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: Re:Cooperation "Transcollaboration" cd release spam Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 14:30:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, i'd love to hear the cd. if i qualify, please address to keith wilson 84 glenmount park road toronto, canada m4e 2n2 thanks, keith ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re:Cooperation "Transcollaboration" cd release spam > Howdy, > > Re:Cooperation, a collaborative effort between David Cooper Orton and > myself is now available. I will mail out five free copies to the first five > people who e-mail me from the Looper's Delight list. > All I want in return is a review/comment from these individuals (good > or bad). I will announce the individuals who will receive the cds on the > Looper's Delight . Re:Cooperation will also be available from: > www.unclebuzz.com and www.dogfingers.com. Please feel free to contact me with > any questions or comments. > > > Thanks, James Sidlo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 17:50:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14989; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:47:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:47:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c2ad30$5521a920$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <000201c2ac3f$0f05ca30$0200a8c0@akm.com> Subject: Re: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:44:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C2AD06.6C00DC80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C2AD06.6C00DC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message<< The amp was setup with the master and gain up >> I appreciate your comments. My first thoughts were, well, the output = from the GT-3's going to the Marshall pre-amp. If the pre-amp/amp = controls are maxed, more or less, then, yeah, it's possible to hose = one's speakers with some really boosted patch. I was wondering how one = could blow the speakers WITHOUT the volume being maxed and caused by = some 'secrets of the Incas' GT-3 patch. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan Kroeger=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: RE: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem I don't have a GT-3, but I do have a GT-6 and it has an output control = on the back side. I would assert to this if it were a GT-6 and I will = suppose that it is entirely possible with the GT-3. I accidentally did = this by a combination as follows I was using an electric violin with a = passive piezo system and switched to an electric guitar with higher = output pickups. I had also switched amplifiers and blindly plugged the = setup together and proceeded to test this setup. The amp was setup with = the master and gain up and with the GT-6 patch I chose I almost blew the = speaker out of coarse I didn't continue to use these settings, because I = have some respect for the cost of my equiptment. I would also suspect = that this fellow might be covering up for his sons tendency to abuse = equiptment with his explanation. I would say that there are actually no = hidden features in either the GT3 or the GT6 just people who don't pay = attention to what they are doing or don't care ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Butch [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 11:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem I have this boss who's son is attending a local university that is = reputed to be a good music school. However, I keep hearing the most ridculous assertions made by my = boss pertaining to his son. The latest was his son's Boss GT-3 was responsible for blowing out = the speakers on his Marshall stack. Due to some 'hidden' features of = the GT-3 that not many people know or some such drivel. Doesn't make = sense to me. The output of a GT-3 (of which I had one once) was a line = level output if I remember correctly. How could the output blow the = speakers on a Marshall stack? Regards and Merry... and Happy... Paul ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C2AD06.6C00DC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
<< The amp was setup with the = master and gain=20 up >>
 
I appreciate your comments. My first = thoughts were,=20 well, the output from the GT-3's going to the Marshall pre-amp. If the=20 pre-amp/amp controls are maxed, more or less, then, yeah, it's possible = to hose=20 one's speakers with some really boosted patch. I was wondering how one = could=20 blow the speakers WITHOUT the volume being maxed and caused by some = 'secrets of=20 the Incas' GT-3 patch.
 
Regards, Paul
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alan = Kroeger=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, = 2002 12:57=20 PM
Subject: RE: University Music = Degree=20 Education or Student Problem

I=20 don't have a GT-3, but I do have a GT-6 and it has an output control = on the=20 back side. I would assert to this if it were a GT-6 and I will suppose = that it=20 is entirely possible with the GT-3. I accidentally did this by a = combination=20 as follows I was using an electric violin with a passive piezo system = and=20 switched to an electric guitar with higher output pickups. I had also = switched=20 amplifiers and blindly plugged the setup together and proceeded to = test this=20 setup. The amp was setup with the master and gain up and with the GT-6 = patch I=20 chose I almost blew the speaker out of coarse I didn't continue to use = these=20 settings, because I have some respect for the cost of my equiptment. I = would=20 also suspect that this fellow might be covering up for his sons = tendency to=20 abuse equiptment with his explanation. I would say that there are = actually no=20 hidden features in either the GT3 or the GT6 just people who don't pay = attention to what they are doing or don't care =  ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: = Butch=20 [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com]
Sent: Thursday, December = 26,=20 2002 11:31 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: = University Music=20 Degree Education or Student Problem

I have this boss who's son is = attending a local=20 university that is reputed to be a good music school.
 
However, I keep hearing the most = ridculous=20 assertions made by my boss pertaining to his son.
 
The latest was his son's Boss GT-3 = was=20 responsible for blowing out the speakers on his Marshall stack. Due = to some=20 'hidden'  features of the GT-3 that not many people know or = some such=20 drivel. Doesn't make sense to me. The output of a GT-3 (of which I = had one=20 once) was a line level output if I remember correctly. How could the = output=20 blow the speakers on a Marshall stack?
 
Regards and Merry... and = Happy...
 
Paul
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C2AD06.6C00DC80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 17:55:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15280; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:52:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:52:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c2ad30$f4ecf2c0$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: Subject: Somewhat OT: Roland VSR-880 Digital Recorder & VM3100 Digital Mixer combo Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:48:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C2AD07.0BCC2620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C2AD07.0BCC2620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, again: I must be bored this Christmas. I saw a mint condition VSR-880 at the Guitar Center for $400. I ended up = putting 20 bucks down on it to hold. Seemed like a good deal although = used ones on eBay are approaching that price. Then, in AMS's catalog, I saw the VM3100PRO Digital Mixer going for = $399. The one with the R-Bus connect that attaches to, among other = things, the VSR-880. Seems like a decent recorder config for $800 = compared with the the original prices of the gear. Anybody on the site = use either of these beasts? Pass on the mixer, the recorder or both? Regards, Paul ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C2AD07.0BCC2620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, again:
 
I must be bored this = Christmas.
 
I saw a mint condition VSR-880 at the = Guitar Center=20 for $400. I ended up putting 20 bucks down on it to hold. Seemed like a = good=20 deal although used ones on eBay are approaching that price.
 
Then, in AMS's catalog, I saw the = VM3100PRO Digital=20 Mixer  going for $399. The one with the R-Bus connect that attaches = to,=20 among other things, the VSR-880. Seems like a decent recorder config for = $800=20 compared with the the original prices of the gear. Anybody on the site = use=20 either of these beasts? Pass on the mixer, the recorder or = both?
 
Regards, = Paul
------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C2AD07.0BCC2620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 18:13:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17913; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:13:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:13:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c2ac6b$9f161d60$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <000201c2ac3f$0f05ca30$0200a8c0@akm.com> <002101c2ad30$5521a920$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:16:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C2AC41.B5B9CE60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C2AC41.B5B9CE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageStatic pop? Years ago it happened to me with a Pignose 30/60. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Butch=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: Re: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem << The amp was setup with the master and gain up >> I appreciate your comments. My first thoughts were, well, the output = from the GT-3's going to the Marshall pre-amp. If the pre-amp/amp = controls are maxed, more or less, then, yeah, it's possible to hose = one's speakers with some really boosted patch. I was wondering how one = could blow the speakers WITHOUT the volume being maxed and caused by = some 'secrets of the Incas' GT-3 patch. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan Kroeger=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: RE: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem I don't have a GT-3, but I do have a GT-6 and it has an output = control on the back side. I would assert to this if it were a GT-6 and I = will suppose that it is entirely possible with the GT-3. I accidentally = did this by a combination as follows I was using an electric violin with = a passive piezo system and switched to an electric guitar with higher = output pickups. I had also switched amplifiers and blindly plugged the = setup together and proceeded to test this setup. The amp was setup with = the master and gain up and with the GT-6 patch I chose I almost blew the = speaker out of coarse I didn't continue to use these settings, because I = have some respect for the cost of my equiptment. I would also suspect = that this fellow might be covering up for his sons tendency to abuse = equiptment with his explanation. I would say that there are actually no = hidden features in either the GT3 or the GT6 just people who don't pay = attention to what they are doing or don't care ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Butch [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 11:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem I have this boss who's son is attending a local university that is = reputed to be a good music school. However, I keep hearing the most ridculous assertions made by my = boss pertaining to his son. The latest was his son's Boss GT-3 was responsible for blowing out = the speakers on his Marshall stack. Due to some 'hidden' features of = the GT-3 that not many people know or some such drivel. Doesn't make = sense to me. The output of a GT-3 (of which I had one once) was a line = level output if I remember correctly. How could the output blow the = speakers on a Marshall stack? Regards and Merry... and Happy... Paul ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C2AC41.B5B9CE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Static pop? Years ago it happened = to
me with a Pignose 30/60.
 
* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley<= /FONT>
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Butch
 Guitar9.com ran = a news=20 update on Denis recently, announcing Denis being selected  to play = a=20 showcase for the 7th Annual = Millennium Music=20 conference In Harrisburg, PA held February 13-16, 2003.In addition, = they=20 also mentioned 20th Century Guitar = Magazine=20 will be reviewing Taaffe`s new CD release "Modern Rock Guitar = Vol.=20 III" and that it is the NAMM/ = January=20 edition. The CD will be reviewed = by  Robert Silverstein who has reviewed Denis's first = two=20 releases.He will also be interviewed in a=20 future edition of 20th = Century Guitar magazine.The=20 review will also be listed on = the mwe3.com=20 (Music web-express) music site. = =20 They also have a link to a downloadable mp3 of a  live concert = Denis played=20 recently. Finally they announced the Lifetime endorsement Denis was = given by Seymour Duncan=20 pickups after his endorsement = agreement=20 had expired. You can see the=20 full news story by going=20 to
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, December 26, = 2002 5:44=20 PM
Subject: Re: University Music = Degree=20 Education or Student Problem

<< The amp was setup with the = master and=20 gain up >>
 
I appreciate your comments. My first = thoughts=20 were, well, the output from the GT-3's going to the Marshall pre-amp. = If the=20 pre-amp/amp controls are maxed, more or less, then, yeah, it's = possible to=20 hose one's speakers with some really boosted patch. I was wondering = how one=20 could blow the speakers WITHOUT the volume being maxed and caused by = some=20 'secrets of the Incas' GT-3 patch.
 
Regards, Paul
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alan = Kroeger=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, = 2002=20 12:57 PM
Subject: RE: University Music = Degree=20 Education or Student Problem

I=20 don't have a GT-3, but I do have a GT-6 and it has an output control = on the=20 back side. I would assert to this if it were a GT-6 and I will = suppose that=20 it is entirely possible with the GT-3. I accidentally did this by a=20 combination as follows I was using an electric violin with a passive = piezo=20 system and switched to an electric guitar with higher output = pickups. I had=20 also switched amplifiers and blindly plugged the setup together and=20 proceeded to test this setup. The amp was setup with the master and = gain up=20 and with the GT-6 patch I chose I almost blew the speaker out of = coarse I=20 didn't continue to use these settings, because I have some respect = for the=20 cost of my equiptment. I would also suspect that this fellow might = be=20 covering up for his sons tendency to abuse equiptment with his = explanation.=20 I would say that there are actually no hidden features in either the = GT3 or=20 the GT6 just people who don't pay attention to what they are doing = or don't=20 care  ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: = Butch=20 [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com]
Sent: Thursday, = December 26,=20 2002 11:31 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: = University=20 Music Degree Education or Student Problem

I have this boss who's son is = attending a=20 local university that is reputed to be a good music = school.
 
However, I keep hearing the most = ridculous=20 assertions made by my boss pertaining to his son.
 
The latest was his son's Boss = GT-3 was=20 responsible for blowing out the speakers on his Marshall stack. = Due to=20 some 'hidden'  features of the GT-3 that not many people know = or some=20 such drivel. Doesn't make sense to me. The output of a GT-3 (of = which I=20 had one once) was a line level output if I remember correctly. How = could=20 the output blow the speakers on a Marshall stack?
 
Regards and Merry... and=20 Happy...
 
Paul
<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C2AC41.B5B9CE60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 19:58:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23212; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:55:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:55:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c2ac79$733af860$0300a8c0@akm.com> From: "Alan Kroeger" To: References: <000201c2ac3f$0f05ca30$0200a8c0@akm.com> <002101c2ad30$5521a920$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> <004201c2ac6b$9f161d60$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:55:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2AC4F.89E427A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2AC4F.89E427A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageYes, now I try to be more careful when switching amps and I also = try to keep my patch levels a little more consistant. I have also = created similar patches, but geared toward the different instruments and = there signal level outputs, labeled properly and clearly. I wouldn't = want to duplicate a trick like that again ;-).=20 'Secret of the Incas', thats a good one ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Beardsley=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 6:16 PM Subject: Re: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem Static pop? Years ago it happened to me with a Pignose 30/60. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Butch=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: Re: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem << The amp was setup with the master and gain up >> I appreciate your comments. My first thoughts were, well, the output = from the GT-3's going to the Marshall pre-amp. If the pre-amp/amp = controls are maxed, more or less, then, yeah, it's possible to hose = one's speakers with some really boosted patch. I was wondering how one = could blow the speakers WITHOUT the volume being maxed and caused by = some 'secrets of the Incas' GT-3 patch. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan Kroeger=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: RE: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem I don't have a GT-3, but I do have a GT-6 and it has an output = control on the back side. I would assert to this if it were a GT-6 and I = will suppose that it is entirely possible with the GT-3. I accidentally = did this by a combination as follows I was using an electric violin with = a passive piezo system and switched to an electric guitar with higher = output pickups. I had also switched amplifiers and blindly plugged the = setup together and proceeded to test this setup. The amp was setup with = the master and gain up and with the GT-6 patch I chose I almost blew the = speaker out of coarse I didn't continue to use these settings, because I = have some respect for the cost of my equiptment. I would also suspect = that this fellow might be covering up for his sons tendency to abuse = equiptment with his explanation. I would say that there are actually no = hidden features in either the GT3 or the GT6 just people who don't pay = attention to what they are doing or don't care ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Butch [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 11:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: University Music Degree Education or Student = Problem I have this boss who's son is attending a local university that = is reputed to be a good music school. However, I keep hearing the most ridculous assertions made by my = boss pertaining to his son. The latest was his son's Boss GT-3 was responsible for blowing = out the speakers on his Marshall stack. Due to some 'hidden' features = of the GT-3 that not many people know or some such drivel. Doesn't make = sense to me. The output of a GT-3 (of which I had one once) was a line = level output if I remember correctly. How could the output blow the = speakers on a Marshall stack? Regards and Merry... and Happy... Paul ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2AC4F.89E427A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Yes, now I try to be more careful when = switching=20 amps and I also try to keep my patch levels a little more consistant. I = have=20 also created similar patches, but geared toward the different = instruments and=20 there signal level outputs, labeled properly and clearly. I wouldn't = want to=20 duplicate a trick like that again ;-).
 
'Secret of the Incas', thats a good one = <snicker!>
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David = Beardsley
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, = 2002 6:16=20 PM
Subject: Re: University Music = Degree=20 Education or Student Problem

Static pop? Years ago it happened = to
me with a Pignose 30/60.
 
* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley<= /FONT>
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Butch
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, December 26, = 2002 5:44=20 PM
Subject: Re: University Music = Degree=20 Education or Student Problem

<< The amp was setup with the = master and=20 gain up >>
 
I appreciate your comments. My = first thoughts=20 were, well, the output from the GT-3's going to the Marshall = pre-amp. If the=20 pre-amp/amp controls are maxed, more or less, then, yeah, it's = possible to=20 hose one's speakers with some really boosted patch. I was wondering = how one=20 could blow the speakers WITHOUT the volume being maxed and caused by = some=20 'secrets of the Incas' GT-3 patch.
 
Regards, Paul
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Alan=20 Kroeger
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December = 25, 2002=20 12:57 PM
Subject: RE: University = Music Degree=20 Education or Student Problem

I don't have a GT-3, but I do have a GT-6 and it has an = output=20 control on the back side. I would assert to this if it were a GT-6 = and I=20 will suppose that it is entirely possible with the GT-3. I = accidentally=20 did this by a combination as follows I was using an electric = violin with a=20 passive piezo system and switched to an electric guitar with = higher output=20 pickups. I had also switched amplifiers and blindly plugged the = setup=20 together and proceeded to test this setup. The amp was setup with = the=20 master and gain up and with the GT-6 patch I chose I almost blew = the=20 speaker out of coarse I didn't continue to use these settings, = because I=20 have some respect for the cost of my equiptment. I would also = suspect that=20 this fellow might be covering up for his sons tendency to abuse = equiptment=20 with his explanation. I would say that there are actually no = hidden=20 features in either the GT3 or the GT6 just people who don't pay = attention=20 to what they are doing or don't care  ;-)
-----Original = Message-----
From: Butch=20 [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com]
Sent: Thursday, = December 26,=20 2002 11:31 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: = University=20 Music Degree Education or Student Problem

I have this boss who's son is = attending a=20 local university that is reputed to be a good music = school.
 
However, I keep hearing the = most ridculous=20 assertions made by my boss pertaining to his son.
 
The latest was his son's Boss = GT-3 was=20 responsible for blowing out the speakers on his Marshall stack. = Due to=20 some 'hidden'  features of the GT-3 that not many people = know or=20 some such drivel. Doesn't make sense to me. The output of a GT-3 = (of=20 which I had one once) was a line level output if I remember = correctly.=20 How could the output blow the speakers on a Marshall = stack?
 
Regards and Merry... and=20 Happy...
 
Paul
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2AC4F.89E427A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 21:31:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29307; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:28:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:28:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225175909.00b8caf8@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:27:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: User Error In-Reply-To: <3E09EC47.BCFD0C81@zerocrossing.net> References: <001a01c2acfc$24b9fd20$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Effects boxes don't blow speakers. People do. HAHA! Mark, this would ba a great T-shirt. You should copyright it, sell it to __________, and split the money with me. Merry X-Mas, everybody. -Hans P.S. NAMM is right around the corner ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 21:48:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30348; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:45:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:45:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E0A6CB6.5C8F705F@ubuibi.org> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:43:02 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: User Error References: <001a01c2acfc$24b9fd20$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20021225175909.00b8caf8@pop.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com or... Effects boxes don't blow minds. People do armatronix wrote: > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > Effects boxes don't blow speakers. People do. > > HAHA! Mark, this would ba a great T-shirt. You should copyright it, sell > it to __________, and split the money with me. Merry X-Mas, everybody. > > -Hans > > P.S. NAMM is right around the corner ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 22:16:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00766; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:16:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:16:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225182958.00ba4008@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:15:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Speaking of NAMM... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225175909.00b8caf8@pop.charter.net> References: <3E09EC47.BCFD0C81@zerocrossing.net> <001a01c2acfc$24b9fd20$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of NAMM... Who's going? Shall we meet somewhere like last year? -Hans P.S. Mark, that's only three weeks to get the samples ready :o P.P.S. Here's a Christmas card idea I just had: Front: In some European countries, the little Christ child delivers all the gifts. Back: So then what does Santa do, just sit on his fat ass? (c)2002 P.P.P.S. That last bit was a joke which may not be funny to some Europeans, nor possibly to Canadians or others. Indeed, many Americans might not even "get it". At 18:27 25/12/2002, I wrote: >Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> Effects boxes don't blow speakers. People do. > >HAHA! Mark, that quote would make a great T-shirt. You should copyright >it, sell it to __________, and split the money with me. Merry X-Mas, >everybody. > >-Hans > >P.S. NAMM is right around the corner ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 22:26:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01199; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:25:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:25:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225191534.00b659f8@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:25:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: User Error In-Reply-To: <3E0A6CB6.5C8F705F@ubuibi.org> References: <001a01c2acfc$24b9fd20$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20021225175909.00b8caf8@pop.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a good one too! Do you think maybe we could use it for Loopstock 2003? -Hans At 18:43 25/12/2002, Das wrote: >or... > >Effects boxes don't blow minds. People do > > > >armatronix wrote: > > > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > > Effects boxes don't blow speakers. People do. > > > > HAHA! Mark, this would ba a great T-shirt. You should copyright it, sell > > it to __________, and split the money with me. Merry X-Mas, everybody. > > > > -Hans > > > > P.S. NAMM is right around the corner ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 22:36:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01691; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:35:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:35:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:15:41 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem In-reply-to: <000201c2ac3f$0f05ca30$0200a8c0@akm.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1171248505==_ma============" References: <000201c2ac3f$0f05ca30$0200a8c0@akm.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1171248505==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 12:57 PM -0500 12/25/02, Alan Kroeger wrote: >The amp was setup with the master and gain up and with the GT-6 >patch I chose I almost blew the speaker out "Turn something down before you turn something on." - Bruce Rittenbach, UCSD music technology instructor, 1978. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1171248505==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: University Music Degree Education or Student Probl
At 12:57 PM -0500 12/25/02, Alan Kroeger wrote:
The amp was setup with the master and gain up and with the GT-6 patch I chose I almost blew the speaker out

"Turn something down before you turn something on."

                - Bruce Rittenbach, UCSD music technology instructor, 1978.
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--============_-1171248505==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 22:43:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02022; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:42:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:42:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:45:47 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225182958.00ba4008@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3E09EC47.BCFD0C81@zerocrossing.net> <001a01c2acfc$24b9fd20$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20021225182958.00ba4008@pop.charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:15 PM -0800 12/25/02, armatronix wrote: >Speaking of NAMM... > >Who's going? Shall we meet somewhere like last year? I'll be there as usual. Mobile # (818) 621-2204. I'll make frequent stops at Eventide and Wave Mechanics. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 22:54:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02452; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:53:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:53:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:53:46 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c2ac92$64867010$0200a8c0@akm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2AC68.7BB06810" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9p_xMD.A.Om.M1nC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2AC68.7BB06810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess I wasn't absolutely clear its was the patch that was a problem with the current amp settings the other patches were fine, just a carelessly set patch that had been set higher for usage with a low output instrument that nearly got me. This is a problem with using intruments of differing levels of output on the same GT-6, Now I label and group them for different instruments and purposes. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 10:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem At 12:57 PM -0500 12/25/02, Alan Kroeger wrote: The amp was setup with the master and gain up and with the GT-6 patch I chose I almost blew the speaker out "Turn something down before you turn something on." - Bruce Rittenbach, UCSD music technology instructor, 1978. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2AC68.7BB06810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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This=20 is a problem with using intruments of differing levels of output on the = same=20 GT-6, Now I label and group them for different instruments and purposes. =
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At 12:57 PM -0500 12/25/02, Alan Kroeger wrote:
The=20 amp was setup with the master and gain up and with the GT-6 patch I = chose I=20 almost blew the speaker out

"Turn something down before you turn something = on."

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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2AC68.7BB06810-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 00:44:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08359; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 00:44:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 00:44:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:43:58 -0800 Subject: Re: User Error From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225191534.00b659f8@pop.charter.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 12/25/02 7:25 PM, armatronix at armatronix@charter.net wrote: > Loopstock 2003 Any details yet? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 11:22:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13127; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:20:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:20:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <147.61f1803.2b3c85f8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:19:04 EST Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA13106 Resent-Message-ID: <_K1OXB.A.BND.3wyC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans, In a message dated 12/25/02 7:16:52 PM, armatronix@charter.net writes: >Who's going? Shall we meet somewhere like last year? Well, I'll be there -- at least on Thursday and Friday. Saturday is much too much of a zoo for me and I'm usually pretty tired by then too anyway -- so I may not hang around for Saturday again. But who knows. Sunday I definitely head back to Oregon. Thursday I'll be meeting with my two main MI clients and start wandering the show floor. Friday is my "just for fun" day where I'm more or less free of any business commitments. If anyone wants to connect up my cell number is 1-541-890-6225 tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 11:38:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13754; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:35:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:35:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009801c2acf4$333e16e0$ca464ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <147.61f1803.2b3c85f8@aol.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:33:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Who's going? Shall we meet somewhere like last year? I'll be there!! I'll be playing on the Ashdown stand again, and probably in a few other places as well. Am also playing at the 'Winter NAMM Bass Bash', presented by talkbass.com along with bassquake.com - other players include Victor Bailey, Michael Manring, Keith Horne, Mike Watt, Michael Dimin, Dave Pomeroy, Trip Wamsley, Todd Johnson... - Dave, Todd, Michael and I will all be looping... :o) Well worth coming to - see www.bassquake.org for more - and what's more, you won't need a NAMM pass to get in... I'm also doing loads of gigs in CA after that, some on my own, some with Michael Manring, and some with Rick Walker and Andre LaFosse - what fun that's going to be... get there if you can - see my website for the details... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk www.stevelawson.net www.solobassnetwork.org.uk www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 12:33:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17272; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:32:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:32:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:32:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <147.61f1803.2b3c85f8@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So what's it take to get into NAMM? I've been contemplating running down for a day or so. I figure it ought to be more fun than Macworld. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 12:46:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18048; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:45:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:45:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:36:44 -0800 From: Daryl Subject: [looper's] Re: Speaking of NAMM... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E0B3E2C.1219EDF1@mhorse.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <147.61f1803.2b3c85f8@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could someone (or maybe everyone) going to NAMM bug Electro-Harmonix about the 16-second DD? I would think the tremendous success of the Line6 DL4 would have encouraged them. still dreaming, Daryl highhorse@mhorse.com P.S. oh yes and thanks Looper's, the recommendation of the Zoom 2100 allowed me to get a great-sounding 32-second sampler for $56! (on eBay) I'd never have found out about this otherwise. I can't believe the (low) prices these are going for...and yes I've seen a few places that still sell new ones, for about $130. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 12:54:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19038; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:54:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:54:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a2.e1df95a.2b3c9c3d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:54:05 EST Subject: strangness indeed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
a couple of weeks ago someone commented on what he was thinking of 
independently would pop up on LD as a thread.....ive had this happen several 
times (scary huh?).....this time it was the same issue, rack units.....low 
and behold, on christmas eve after getting home there was my new rack, a 
sweet ''gator" 6 space on the bottom and 10 on top for my mixer.....my 3 
electrx boxes fill the bottom and my mackie and Q-2 are up top, still have 
room for perhaps 2 more boxes.....boy did this organize my mess but i will 
tell you what, this thing being as small and compact as it is is still a bit 
much to schlepp around (im old and puny), im just "talent" for cryin out loud 
not some beer (yum) swillin roadie.....ah the injustice of it all.....now i 
have to get shorter jacks, question: does having all that mess in the back 
effect the sound i.e. long cables running over power chords etc.? do i need 
to "invest" in shorter cables or can i leave well enuf alone?.....im still 
sleepin with one eye open for fear of my family, they no longer beleave i can 
win that many contests whereby i get "free" equipment!.....i keep telling 
them to have no fear, for when im done getting stuff, ill be able to make the 
BIG BUCK with my tunes.....sure!.....anyway, if you have been wanting to get 
a rack, do so, it will at least protect your tools but do watch out for the 
portability issue.....i got something like 128 lbs. of cables in the thing 
alone.....:).....hope the holidays find you all LOOPIE.....michael

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In a message dated 12/26/02 12:46:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
highhorse@mhorse.com writes:


> the recommendation of the Zoom 2100
> allowed me to get a great-sounding 32-second sampler for $56! (on eBay)
> 

daryl.....good for you!.....dont forget to try out the ring mod patches and 
the pitch shift patches, you will need the expression pedal to fully use this 
little box.....also, the 3 five sec loops can create some real 
mayhem.....michael

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In a message dated 12/26/02 12:46:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, highhorse@mhorse.com writes:


the recommendation of the Zoom 2100
allowed me to get a great-sounding 32-second sampler for $56! (on eBay)


daryl.....good for you!.....dont forget to try out the ring mod patches and the pitch shift patches, you will need the expression pedal to fully use this little box.....also, the 3 five sec loops can create some real mayhem.....michael
--part1_3f.15ffeaba.2b3c9d65_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 13:23:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22217; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:20:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:20:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021226181945.3563.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:19:45 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225182958.00ba4008@pop.charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com looks like i'll be there with some new basses promoting a new bass shop opening up in manhattan...all custom hand made instruments...truly a wonder of nature! see ya there! --- armatronix wrote: > Speaking of NAMM... > > Who's going? Shall we meet somewhere like last > year? > > -Hans > > > P.S. Mark, that's only three weeks to get the > samples ready :o > > > P.P.S. Here's a Christmas card idea I just had: > > Front: In some European countries, the little > Christ child delivers all > the gifts. > > Back: So then what does Santa do, just sit on his > fat ass? (c)2002 > > > P.P.P.S. That last bit was a joke which may not be > funny to some > Europeans, nor possibly to Canadians or others. > Indeed, many Americans > might not even "get it". > > > At 18:27 25/12/2002, I wrote: > > >Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > >> Effects boxes don't blow speakers. People do. > > > >HAHA! Mark, that quote would make a great T-shirt. > You should copyright > >it, sell it to __________, and split the money with > me. Merry X-Mas, > >everybody. > > > >-Hans > > > >P.S. NAMM is right around the corner ;) > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 13:30:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22805; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:27:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:27:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021226182702.98207.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:27:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: strangness indeed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1a2.e1df95a.2b3c9c3d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > question: does having all that mess in the back > effect the sound i.e. long cables running over power > chords etc? Yes, it can. It's not so much the length of the cables (although that can attenuate yer highs, as well as being rack-spaghetti), but you will want to take care to route your power-carrying cords so as not to be interfering with your signal-carrying ones. The ol' 60hz hummmmmm, y'know? It would be simpler if all manufacturers would standardize which side of the unit they put the power cord on, but they don't. I found it helpful to use velcro and cable clips on the sides of my rack to keep things (sort of) organized, although my gear-schlepping pendulum is again swinging towards wanting a smaller, lighter set-up, so the rack and pedalboard may be getting dismantled soon in preparation for yet another overhaul... -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 13:36:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23209; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:33:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:33:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:26:41 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: [looper's] Re: Speaking of NAMM... In-reply-to: <3E0B3E2C.1219EDF1@mhorse.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <147.61f1803.2b3c85f8@aol.com> <3E0B3E2C.1219EDF1@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:36 AM -0800 12/26/02, Daryl wrote: >Could someone (or maybe everyone) going to NAMM bug Electro-Harmonix about >the 16-second DD? I would think the tremendous success of the Line6 DL4 >would have encouraged them. Perhaps someone could plant a boom box in their booth, with a loop cassette playing at a subliminal level: "Bring back the 16-second delay." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 13:36:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23187; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:33:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:33:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:24:13 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:32 AM -0800 12/26/02, Mark Hamburg wrote: >So what's it take to get into NAMM? Contacts in the industry. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 13:50:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23953; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:47:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:47:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:42:57 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: strangness indeed In-reply-to: <20021226182702.98207.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021226182702.98207.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:27 AM -0800 12/26/02, Tim Nelson wrote: >--- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >> question: does having all that mess in the back >> effect the sound i.e. long cables running over power >> chords etc? > >Yes, it can. It's not so much the length of the cables >(although that can attenuate yer highs, as well as >being rack-spaghetti), but you will want to take care >to route your power-carrying cords so as not to be >interfering with your signal-carrying ones. The ol' >60hz hummmmmm, y'know? It's also best to avoid running audio cables parallel to power cables. If they must cross each other, try to arrange them to cross at right angles to minimize induced noise. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 15:54:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00425; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:53:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:53:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:53:16 EST Subject: Re: strangness indeed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA00397 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael K. In a message dated 12/26/02 9:55:08 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: >question: does having all that mess in the back effect the >sound i.e. long cables running over power chords etc.? IMHO (and in my experience) it does. Shorter connecting wires and routing/bundling the audio away from proximity to AC has helped me clean up my act. The back of my rack looks like a mess at times -- especially right after I've figured out some new configuration to try. But it always sounds better a few weeks (or months) later when I tidy it up again with cables of the proper length with power cords and signal cables routed to opposite sides of the rack (whenever possible). I even buy replacement connectors for the "wall-warts" and shorten those leads too (whenever possible) -- though that may be a little obsessive I admit. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 16:18:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03413; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:18:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:18:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c2ad24$bced6e60$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <20021226181945.3563.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:21:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" > looks like i'll be there with some new basses > promoting a new bass shop opening up in > manhattan...all custom hand made instruments...truly a > wonder of nature! Where in Manhattan and when? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 16:46:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04588; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:45:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:45:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E0B77EE.FA706671@ubuibi.org> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:43:11 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: strangness indeed References: <1a2.e1df95a.2b3c9c3d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com length of cables not as important as keeping power cables seperate from audio. musicians friend/guitar center regularly has good 3 foot cables (in pretty colors) cheap then you can use all the long cords for NEW EVIL > question: does having all that mess in the back > effect the sound i.e. long cables running over power chords etc.? do i need > to "invest" in shorter cables or can i leave well enuf alone?.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 17:34:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07936; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:31:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:31:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:28:44 -0800 Subject: Re: strangness indeed From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E0B77EE.FA706671@ubuibi.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 4 me(your mileage may differ) i pay no attention to these things if it gets too noisee then i check stuff but when i turn everything on a little crackle in the signal is ok,and the back of my amp is,well dont look :-) i even have a rack unit that includes a circuit w/ pot that increases the 60cycle hum to emulate a loudass guitar amp at ridiculous volume noise is part of my guitar signal-it lets me know i is ELECTRAFIED!! s > length of cables not as important as keeping power cables seperate from audio. > musicians friend/guitar center regularly has good 3 foot cables (in pretty > colors) cheap > then you can use all the long cords for NEW EVIL > > >> question: does having all that mess in the back >> effect the sound i.e. long cables running over power chords etc.? do i need >> to "invest" in shorter cables or can i leave well enuf alone?.... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 17:51:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08654; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:48:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:48:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002a01c2ad30$f4ecf2c0$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> References: <002a01c2ad30$f4ecf2c0$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:47:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Roland VSR-880 Digital Recorder & VM3100 Digital Mixer combo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4sXbZ.A.IHC.Gd4C-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Then, in AMS's catalog, I saw the VM3100PRO Digital Mixer going for >$399. The one with the R-Bus connect that attaches to, among other >things, the VSR-880. Seems like a decent recorder config for $800 >compared with the the original prices of the gear. Anybody on the >site use either of these beasts? Pass on the mixer, the recorder or >both? The 3100PRO goes for $309 on http://8thstreet.com /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 17:51:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08631; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:48:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:48:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021226224802.76002.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:48:02 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005201c2ad24$bced6e60$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com we are still working out the specifics for the shop, but the store will be called joey g's music shop and it'll probably be somewhere around canal/mulberry area...the edge of china town. we'll definitely be at namm though with probably about a dozen or so different basses... --- David Beardsley wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Evan Meyers" > > > looks like i'll be there with some new basses > > promoting a new bass shop opening up in > > manhattan...all custom hand made > instruments...truly a > > wonder of nature! > > Where in Manhattan and when? > > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 18:14:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10947; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:11:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:11:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f001c2ad34$90245500$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <20021226224802.76002.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:14:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <9dvQBC.A.9qC.dy4C-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" > we are still working out the specifics for the shop, > but the store will be called joey g's music shop and > it'll probably be somewhere around canal/mulberry > area...the edge of china town. we'll definitely be at > namm though with probably about a dozen or so > different basses... Cool...I play fretless guitar and bass, I'll make it a point to stop by the store. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 20:00:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16834; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:56:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:56:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021227005618.94132.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:56:18 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00f001c2ad34$90245500$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com excellent...i'll post info about it as soon as its available. it is basically going to be an appointment only kind of thing with a very relaxed (almost hanging out) environment where you can shoot a game of pool, play a bunch of basses in all sorts of environments (including a studio setup and an isolation booth to name just some of the cooler ones that you don't normally get to check an instrument out with). we're really hoping to make it the one place in manhattan where a musician will always want to stop by. eventually we are planning on getting into guitars, but for now, we are only working with bass luthiers...from all over the world as well. it is really exciting and i'm sure everyone on this list would at least be interested enough to throw in their two cents. i'll let you know more info about where we'll be at namm once we finalize all of the plans (some point this weekend), but i look forward to seeing you guys at my very first namm show! --- David Beardsley wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Evan Meyers" > > > we are still working out the specifics for the > shop, > > but the store will be called joey g's music shop > and > > it'll probably be somewhere around canal/mulberry > > area...the edge of china town. we'll definitely > be at > > namm though with probably about a dozen or so > > different basses... > > Cool...I play fretless guitar and bass, I'll make it > a point to > stop by the store. > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 20:17:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19058; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:16:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:16:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c2ae0e$505de0a0$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <002a01c2ad30$f4ecf2c0$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Roland VSR-880 Digital Recorder & VM3100Digital Mixer combo Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:13:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks! I'm going to save that website for future reference. But the $299 job is a 3100 non-PRO version. Regards, Paul > > The 3100PRO goes for $309 on http://8thstreet.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 20:20:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19354; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:19:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:19:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c2ae0e$bfd6dd60$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <20021227005618.94132.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:16:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to gain admission to NAMM? Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 21:51:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24244; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:47:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:47:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021226152703.0312e008@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:54:53 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Duke Sexton Subject: Re: strangness indeed In-Reply-To: References: <20021226182702.98207.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> <20021226182702.98207.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:42 AM 12/26/2002 -0800, Richard Zvonar wrote: >It's also best to avoid running audio cables parallel to power cables. If >they must cross each other, try to arrange them to cross at right angles >to minimize induced noise. In addition, I heard this little urban legend a few years back: If you coil your excess cords in a symmetrical pattern (i.e. a single loop over top of itself), the signal bleed-through can cause a slight but noticeable feedback loop hum on a single frequency. This can supposedly cause a voltage hum whose frequency is dependant upon the size of the coil loop. The solution is to not wind in a single pattern so the signal can't reinforce a single frequency over and over again. If true, I'd imagine this probably has more effect on power cords, since they're more likely to bleed signal through the insulation. Like I implied, it's probably a bunch of hooey (I never actually had enough time handy with an RTA to run a real scientific test). But ever since hearing it, I've always wound my extra cable length in asymmetric figure-8's. It's a little thing, but figured it couldn't hurt. <*shrug*> Relatedly, has anybody ever had any issues with those 6- or 18-inch patch cables from Tascam (sometimes they're sold under the 'Cable Up' moniker)? They're cheap and the perfect size for cabling up a rack. But it just seems the cable itself is thin enough that there *ought* to be some problem with signal interference, frequency attenuation, or something. No evidence here, just paranoia of a product that "seems to good to be true". -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 22:02:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25986; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:59:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:59:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:45:29 -0600 Subject: line mixers in looping rigs From: adam To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200212270252.VAA24508@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello! i'm curious to know what everyone is using mixer-wise to combine various looping signals? i mainly interested in 1U rack space units since my anvil rack space is limited... thanks! adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 22:08:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26401; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:08:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:08:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021226190558.00baf268@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:07:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: User Error In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225191534.00b659f8@pop.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I should have the venue and dates confirmed soon, and then I'll let everyone know. -Hans At 21:43 25/12/2002, you wrote: >on 12/25/02 7:25 PM, armatronix at armatronix@charter.net wrote: > > > Loopstock 2003 > >Any details yet? > >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 27 00:04:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01048; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:01:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:01:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021227050048.83069.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:00:48 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002b01c2ae0e$bfd6dd60$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Butch wrote: > Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to gain > admission to NAMM? 1) try to bluff your way past security dressed as a mime 2) announce loudly that the president of Gibson has just arrived, then volunteer to organize the lynch-mob 3) tell them Nigel Tufnel sent you :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 27 01:08:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04548; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:08:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:08:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:08:14 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... In-reply-to: <002b01c2ae0e$bfd6dd60$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021227005618.94132.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> <002b01c2ae0e$bfd6dd60$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:16 PM -0500 12/27/02, Butch wrote: >Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to gain admission to NAMM? My response to Mark Hamburg was not a joke. NAMM access is tightly controlled, so you really do need industry contacts to get a pass. Specifically, you need to get a guest pass from a NAMM member (usually an exhibitor) or else have press credentials and obtain your own pass that way. Actually there are a couple of maneuvers that might work. One thing I did successfully last year was to use a NAMM pass from a previous year's show. The security guards don't look that closely so you can breeze past them if you have something that at least looks like a legitimate pass. Once you're inside you can hit on any exhibitors you might know, to get a real pass. Another thing I've heard of, but haven't tried, is the old men's room back door entry route. There actually is a men's room accessible from the ground floor lobby and also accessible from the show floor. I can't give a specific location, but I remember confirming this a few years back. Good luck! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 27 01:45:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05716; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:42:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:42:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: EsmondeFam@aol.com Message-ID: <11a.1c27e9f1.2b3d5039@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:42:01 EST Subject: WTb: DL4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11a.1c27e9f1.2b3d5039_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11a.1c27e9f1.2b3d5039_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi therem , im trying to get into looping. I thought a DL4 would be a good start. Anybody have one for sale thanks dylan --part1_11a.1c27e9f1.2b3d5039_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi therem , im trying to get into looping. I thought a DL4 would be a good start. Anybody have one for sale

thanks

dylan
--part1_11a.1c27e9f1.2b3d5039_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 27 05:03:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16781; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 05:02:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 05:02:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <65.58d24a8.2b3d7f31@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 05:02:25 EST Subject: Re: strangness indeed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > length of cables not as important as keeping power cables seperate from > audio. > musicians friend/guitar center regularly has good 3 foot cables (in pretty > colors) cheap ....OR......... Avoid those cheap cables like the plague. Best is to buy 100m reel of studio quality mic cable and a whole load of jacks. Then make your own cables in any useful sizes you like. I never have a mains hum problem (YET) with good quality audio cables, even when all the cables are bundled together in one big audio/mains heap. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 27 06:21:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20460; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:16:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:16:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: hum on audio lines (strangness indeed) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:18:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c2ad99$b7b6fea0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: <65.58d24a8.2b3d7f31@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7y7f1C.A.m_E.naDD-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Andy, I recently discovered a way (ok, I didn't discover it, used it for many years in automtive airbag electronics and prototpye automotive X-by-light systems, just started using it) by including an A/D-converter w/ toslink connector in my keys rack, then running the length (nearly any length that is) in 8-track-audio from my rack to the (digital) main mixer...no hum at all :-) Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] > Sent: Freitag, 27. Dezember 2002 11:02 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: strangness indeed > > > > length of cables not as important as keeping power cables > seperate from > > audio. > > musicians friend/guitar center regularly has good 3 foot > cables (in pretty > > colors) cheap > > ....OR......... > > Avoid those cheap cables like the plague. > Best is to buy 100m reel of studio quality mic cable > and a whole load of jacks. Then make your own cables > in any useful sizes you like. > I never have a mains hum problem (YET) with > good quality audio cables, even when all the cables are > bundled together in one big audio/mains heap. > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 27 08:42:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30872; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:40:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:40:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:40:23 -0500 Subject: Cables was Re: hum on audio lines (strangness indeed) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Brett To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000601c2ad99$b7b6fea0$0601a8c0@SATAN> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It may surprise you but for over 20 years (!!) I have been using cheap stereo rca to rca cables (that you would use on stereo equipment) with rca->1/4" adaptors on my gear. My 'rig' had never been simple either: I fill a 24 channel mixer with lots of outboard gear (currently 6 sound modules and 8 effects units). When a cable breaks, its $1.99 to replace it with a 6' length. And yes, I gig with this! :) Then again, I pioneered the use of ironing boards as keyboard stands back in 1981. I use Ultimate stands now. ;) As for hum, I have never had a hum problem. These cables are adequately shielded. All my connections are unbalanced. Here are some pics of my rig, wired with $1.99 6' stereo rca cables and adaptors. http://www.oldbmw.com/other/music/live.jpg plexus >> ....OR......... >> >> Avoid those cheap cables like the plague. >> Best is to buy 100m reel of studio quality mic cable >> and a whole load of jacks. Then make your own cables >> in any useful sizes you like. >> I never have a mains hum problem (YET) with >> good quality audio cables, even when all the cables are >> bundled together in one big audio/mains heap. >> >> andy butler >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 27 12:33:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12048; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:31:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:31:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02d201c2adcd$97d1b880$aee35cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #301 for December 26, 2002 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:29:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #301 December 26, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie, a defining pioneer of the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was "Flightpath" on the Miramar label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Timewind" by Klaus Schulze on the Caroline label. Jonn Serrie http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus02.html#dec PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Klaus Schulze Wahnfried 1883 Timewind (Caroline) Remanence Lamkhyer Lamkhyer (mPATH) Skin Mechanix First Flight The Secret Life of Angels (InfectionMusic) Glenn Adams Journey Galactic Anthems (Galactic Anthems) The Glimmer Room Lake Song Tomorrow's Tuesday (Neu Harmony) Ron Boots Ghost of a Mist (the Ghost of a Mist (Groove) Sleepwalker) 12:00 am Jonn Serrie Flightpath Flightpath (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Sky Safari Flightpath (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Muroc Flightpath (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Outreach Flightpath (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Deep Starship Flightpath (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Glyder Flightpath (Miramar) Spacecraft Thread of Continuity Earthtime Tapestry (Lektronic Soundscapes) Spacecraft Homage to Gaia Earthtime Tapestry (Lektronic Soundscapes) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Brannan Lane. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Soundfall to the Infinite" by Zero Ohms and Brannan Lane on the Space for Music label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Irrlicht" by Klaus Schulze on the Ohr label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 27 12:56:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13353; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:55:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:55:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <031001c2add0$eeeff020$aee35cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for December, 2002 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:53:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2HUkk.A.jQD.YQJD-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice for December, 2002. Shows #298 to #301; 5-December-2002 to 26-December-2002 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Andy Pickford and Paul Nagle - Ramayana - Neu Harmony Glenn Adams - Galactic Anthems - Galactic Anthems Jonn Serrie - And the Stars Go With You - New World Music Jonn Serrie - Flightpath - Miramar Jonn Serrie - Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 - Miramar Jonn Serrie - Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 - Miramar Max van Richter - Resurrection - Neu Harmony Otarion Select - Creator - Neu Harmony Redshift - Halo - Distant Sun Redshift - Siren - Distant Sun Rudy Adrian and Ron Boots - Across the Silver Sky - Groove Skin Mechanix - The Secret Life of Angels - InfectionMusic Steve Roach - All Is Now - Timeroom Steve Roach - Darkest Before Dawn - Timeroom Steve Roach - Day Out of Time - Timeroom The Glimmer Room - Tomorrow's Tuesday - Neu Harmony Thought Guild - [context] - HRR Tranzit - Tranz-Rapid - Groove Under the Dome - Bellerophon - Neu Harmony Wayne Lyttle - Animusic - Animusic Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 28 11:07:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30856; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:06:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:06:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: very OT: MMCing a Fostex VR-800 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:08:06 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c2ae8b$4fa7f650$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, first, excuse me for this very OTish message: LD is the only newsgroup I'm subscribed to (in fact: the only place where I know I can find knowledgeable people in all things music & electronics), and I need an answer quick (best would be tomorrow evening, but the latest next saturday (1-4)...thank you for your patience! I got a recording setup consisting of a Behringer DDX3216 console, two Fostex VR-800 harddisk recorders and a Fostex VC-8 interface (just mentioned for completeness). The Behringer manual tells me it sends MMC and MTC (in a quite vague way), the VR-880's manual tells me they can both send an receive these signals. So what I understand is I can press the "Record" button on the Behringer, and both Fostexes will go into Record simultaneously? What I did: setting the Behringer to Framerate 25, Transmit Midi Transport, Device 7F Vr-880 (1): Slave on, Slave Mode Vari, Clock Output MTC Vr-880 (2): Slave on, Slave Mode Vari, no Clock output MIDI runs Behringer Out->VR-880 (1) in, VR-880(1) Out-> VR-880 (2)->In. What happens is...nothing. Or more specifically: the "Slave" indicator in both Fostex's displays keep flashing. Same happens if I take the Behringer out of the setup, set VR-880 (1) to Slave off, Clock Output MTC or CLK. And same happens if I swap Fostex (1) and (2). The audio cabling seems to bee correct (both Fostex's show a steadily lit "Digital" indicator). Am I doing something wrong, or do I fail to understand the details of MTC/MMC/whatever? Is there any hidden function/setup item in the Fostexes I should be aware of? Second, is there any problem involved if I don't get it to work and just decide to hit "Record" on both Fostexes almost at once? Any hints, be it regarding the specific gear/setup or the use of MTC/MMC in common, are appreciated! Thanks, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 28 20:55:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03725; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:54:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:54:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c2aedd$35e9b7b0$d841ddcb@PODAMUS> From: "Ashley Farlow" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:54:21 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2AF31.06753C80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2AF31.06753C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2AF31.06753C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2AF31.06753C80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 28 21:03:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05459; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:02:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:02:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <13.16139aa6.2b3fb19d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:02:05 EST Subject: Loop Music Goes to Siberia . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id VAA05438 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there everybody, I think I got one of the downright strangest e-mails I've ever gotten in regards to my little CD "Flux Aeterna" this afternoon. It was forwarded to me by pfMentum label owner (and pal), Jeff Kaiser. It comes from Serge Tikhanoff of Radio Penguin, Novosibirsk, Siberia, Russia. > Thank You so much for perfectly brilliant CD!!! > Splendid work - incredibly powerful impression! > We were glad and proud touch creation of Ted Killian, > touch such extremely interesting music. > It was invaluable discovery for us. > Much friendly love from Siberia. > Serge Tikhanoff > Radio Penguin Short but sweet. Of all the places that I may have ever thought the LEAST likely to ever play my music, I think this has to take the prize! Nice way to close out 2002 though. I guess they like strange guitary "loop music" in Siberia too! Hideeho! Maybe I should inquire about doing a tour. Heheheh. Cheers, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 28 21:07:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05937; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:06:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:06:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E0DA1EC.64E52BC3@cstone.net> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:06:52 +0800 From: John Hunter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Mint Boomerang Phrase Sampler-Upgraded version Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks, Mint, 4Mb upgrade with added features Boomerang Looper, Layer-upon-layer, half-speed, reverse, one-shot, gain control, all by foot. Sturdy metal casing. $265. Ta, John Hunter Black Lotus Sound From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 01:12:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20684; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:11:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:11:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E0E9164.8010806@minds-eye.org> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:08:36 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: Kurzweil expressionmate midi controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think there was some talk about these a while back so I thought some of you might be interested to know that Musician's Friend is selling them for $170. This the Midi ribbon/controller, 3 channel, 2 pedal input, breath controller input, etc. I can't find it on the website but its in a mailer I just received so give them a call if you want it I guess (item# 701651T) Kevin -- Wonderful! Wonderful! The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable If you try to hear it with your ears You'll hardly understand Only when you hear it in your eyes Will you be able to know. Sound and Vision -- http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 01:32:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21795; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:28:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:28:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E0E958A.9050600@minds-eye.org> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:26:18 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: strange question/Japanese gear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an odd question. Does anyone know what sort of power conversion problems there might be between gear sold in Japan that will be used in the United States? Is it feasible to buy a used bit of gear from Japan and expect to plug it in and go fine in here? I don't really know much about how electricity is regulated/distributed around the world. Stupid question or legitimate ask? You decide. Thanks Kevin -- Wonderful! Wonderful! The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable If you try to hear it with your ears You'll hardly understand Only when you hear it in your eyes Will you be able to know. Sound and Vision -- http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 03:28:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30077; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:16:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:16:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021229081614.77183.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:16:14 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?m=20g?= Subject: Re: strange question/Japanese gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3E0E958A.9050600@minds-eye.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stupid > question or legitimate ask? You decide. > ,,,,,legitimate,,,when I bought(lots of years ago) a multifx in Usa and taken here in Italy(europe) didn't work, also with current converter, so I had to buy adaptor specific for the model. I think tht in japan should be the same as italy(so different from Usa), but if u find can buy an adaptor; I guess it's better because there different signal between the different type of alimentation. WHY THERE IS NOT THE SAME TYPE FOR ALL THE WORLD?!? mrco5150 ps: a suggestion, take the gear to your electronic-city-expert before try the experiment at home(,,my past experience of electronic damage!!!) ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Cellulari: scarica i loghi e le suonerie per le tue feste! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mobile.yahoo.com/index2002.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 06:26:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11183; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:25:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:25:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c2af2c$a30300a0$7862f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200212290612.BAA20937@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:22:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <6Jqg-D.A.puC.eutD-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I read Ted Killians charming tale of the Siberian DJ who loved his CD (I do too, by the way!!!) and I had this funny thought: Just for the hey of it, Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA and help turn this adventuresome and supportive DJ into the hippest thing north of Moscow. Ted, if you are into it, why don't you post this guys' mailing address and let's all send him our CDs. I have some cool press that I've accrued about the international looping movement and can send that to him too, to let him know what our community is about and enlist his aid in getting the music out to the people of Siberia. You know the cosmopolitan centers of the world always get the cutting edge stuff first in this world. Why don't we do our part to get the stuff out to places that it would normally take a few years to get to. I'll bet he'd dig the hell out of it. Who knows: The FIRST SIBERIAN LOOPING FESTIVAL in 2006? I'd go! Happy New Year gang!!!! I've really enjoyed being part of this wonderful loopy community and thank you all for all of your contributions.....especially our ubermeister and 'non' moderator, Kim Flint. Entirely because of this community I have a lucrative looping gig for New Year's Eve, a fantastic short tour with loopers Andre LaFosse, Steve Lawson (and Michael Manring and my brother Bill Walker) in January and have already booked tentative dates in 12 countries in Europe and the British Isles for this coming summer. It will be my first ever solo tour (after having accompanied dozens of artists for the last twenty years) and I truly owe it to the contacts I've made on this community. I feel like the luckiest guy alive. Thanks everyone for that, yours, warmly and appreciatively, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 06:45:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA12036; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:44:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:44:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c2af30$354c9ea0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <200212290612.BAA20937@hemlock.violacea.com> <001b01c2af2c$a30300a0$7862f93f@global> Subject: Re: Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:47:20 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 11:22:AM Subject: Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA > > I read Ted Killians charming tale of the Siberian DJ who > loved his CD (I do too, by the way!!!) > and I had this funny thought: > > Just for the hey of it, Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA > and help turn this adventuresome and supportive DJ into > the hippest thing north of Moscow. > > Ted, if you are into it, why don't you post this guys' > mailing address and let's all send him our CDs. > > I have some cool press that I've accrued about the international > looping movement and can send that to him too, to let him know > what our community is about and enlist his aid in getting the music > out to the people of Siberia. > > You know the cosmopolitan centers of the world always get the cutting > edge stuff first in this world. Why don't we do our part to get > the stuff out to places that it would normally take a few years to get to. > > I'll bet he'd dig the hell out of it. > > Who knows: The FIRST SIBERIAN LOOPING FESTIVAL in 2006? > > I'd go! While I'm continually broker than a dog without pockets, and couldn't possibly go to quite a lot of places not reachable by train or tube right now, I have to punch in on the Russian situation. They seem to like ambient and electronic music QUITE A LOT, though perhaps not as much as Metal, by some reports... One of the first regular downloaders of the Loop of the Week was in St. Petersburg, who until just a few years ago, was sending Christmas greetings as well. One wonders where Alexei is now. Probably the US, where intelligent job-seekers look! S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 08:16:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17189; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:15:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:15:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c2af38$ff830080$8f41fe91@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: Subject: Re: line mixers in looping rigs Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:51:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C2AF41.5B5AAF40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C2AF41.5B5AAF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable adam wrote: .... i mainly interested in 1U rack space units since my anvil rack = space is limited... well, the music industry hasn't much to offer as in 1u rack mixers = with a lot of channels and - even more important - *aux* lines ... two units you may find used, because they're out of production ( .... = why ?! ):=20 Rocktron line mixer ( 12ch / 4 aux ) Passac line mixer ( 8ch / 2 aux ) - ( the one Torn used on the = "Painting with Guitar" video ... ) you may also check out the website of "Nobel's" ... they offer a bunch = of tricky boxes for almost every kind of connection. once they also had a liner mixer, but I don't know if they still make = it. if you find out about some thing that's still on the market, I'd be = happy to hear about it, either cheers Leander ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C2AF41.5B5AAF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
adam=20 wrote:

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 i mainly interested in 1U rack = space=20 units since my anvil rack space is limited...
 
well, the music = industry hasn't=20 much to offer as in 1u rack mixers with a lot of channels and - = even more=20 important - *aux* lines ...
two units you may = find used,=20 because they're out of production ( .... why ?! ):
 
Rocktron line mixer ( = 12ch / 4 aux=20 )
Passac line mixer ( = 8ch / 2 aux ) -=20 ( the one Torn used on the "Painting with Guitar" video ... = )
 
you may also check = out the website=20 of "Nobel's" ... they offer a bunch of tricky boxes for almost every = kind of=20 connection.
once they also had a = liner mixer,=20 but I don't know if they still make it.
 
if you find out about = some thing=20 that's still on the market, I'd be happy to hear about it, = either
 
cheers
 
Leander
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C2AF41.5B5AAF40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 08:41:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18255; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:41:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:41:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <147.6579009.2b40555a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:40:42 EST Subject: Re: line mixers in looping rigs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_147.6579009.2b40555a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: <6SNYB.A.JdE.9tvD-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_147.6579009.2b40555a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Behringer Ultralink Pro MX882 - audioMIDI.com --part1_147.6579009.2b40555a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Behringer Ultralink Pro MX882 - audioMIDI.com --part1_147.6579009.2b40555a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 10:03:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23810; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:00:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:00:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021229145955.36958.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:59:55 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Loop Music Goes to Siberia . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <13.16139aa6.2b3fb19d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7rnIFC.A.8zF.K4wD-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why am I picturing that old ELP video where they're playing in an empty stadium in the winter wearing fur-lined parkas? 8^) -t- --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > I guess they like strange guitary "loop music" in > Siberia > too! Hideeho! Maybe I should inquire about doing a > tour. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 10:06:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24099; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:04:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:04:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c2af48$2b244aa0$8f41fe91@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: <000601c2ad99$b7b6fea0$0601a8c0@SATAN> Subject: Re: hum on audio lines (strangness indeed) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:38:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C2AF50.601F3E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <6E4kIC.A.d4F.27wD-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C2AF50.601F3E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable trying to find the needle in a heystack ... here's some more advice to = avoid hum in racks ( besides what's already been said ): - find out which of your rack units causes the hum ( ... it sometimes = helps to put it in another place inside the rack, because of the = position of the transformers inside the units ... ) - insulate the rack units chassis from each other and from the rackrail = they're connected to ( by using tape to keep the front plates apart from = each other, and "humfrees" or plastic rings for the screws ) - keep wallwarts inside the rack as far away from each other as = possible, as well as from the transformers of non-wallwart units and = from line cables=20 - the whole rack, together with the other gear u're using, needs only = one ground connection / should have only one and the same mains = connection ( if u're rich, use a power conditioner ... i.e. Furman et. = al. ) - when using a mixer and it's aux lines this may cause a doubling of = ground connections ( "humloops" ) ... if so, u need special patch cords = with the ground/shield disconnected ( the equipment inside ur rack maybe = seen/connected as ONE unit ) - but better talk to a pro before u start = disconnecting grounds, always keep in mind that u need ONE GROUND = CONNECTION TO BE SAFE ! ! I will not take any responsibitity if u make a = mistake and grill either urself or ur equipment ! - u may also use special transformers which separtate the ground ( in a = way almost like a DI box ) for each of ur rack units.=20 this is the best solution, but expensive ...=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C2AF50.601F3E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
trying to find the = needle in a=20 heystack ... here's some more advice to avoid hum in racks ( = besides what's=20 already been said ):
 
- find out which of = your rack units=20 causes the hum ( ... it sometimes helps to put it in another place = inside the=20 rack, because of the position of the transformers inside the units ...=20 )
- insulate the rack = units chassis=20 from each other and from the rackrail they're connected to ( by using = tape to=20 keep the front plates apart from each other, and "humfrees" or plastic = rings for=20 the screws )
- keep wallwarts inside = the rack as=20 far away from each other as possible, as well as from the transformers=20 of non-wallwart units and from line cables
- the whole rack, = together with the=20 other gear u're using, needs only one ground connection / should have = only one=20 and the same mains connection=20 ( if u're rich, use a power conditioner ... i.e. Furman et. al.=20 )
- when using a mixer = and it's aux=20 lines this may cause a doubling of ground connections ( "humloops" = ) ... if=20 so, u need special patch cords with the ground/shield disconnected ( the = equipment inside ur rack maybe seen/connected as ONE unit ) - but better = talk to=20 a pro before u start disconnecting grounds, always keep in mind that u = need ONE=20 GROUND CONNECTION TO BE SAFE ! ! I will not take any responsibitity if u = make a=20 mistake and grill either urself or ur equipment !
- u may also use = special transformers=20 which separtate the ground ( in a way almost like a DI box ) for each of = ur rack=20 units.
this is the best = solution, but=20 expensive ...
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funny how things change.....once a place of punishment now a font of 
progressive music.....most cool ted!.....michael

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Sorry for the plug. If you are in/close to Philly, make sure to include this=
=20
in your post-New Years plans :)

215noise and The Foundation present=20
The Cleveland Connect Boyz Gone Wyld Winter Tour 2002-2003
10 bands, 30 minutes each.=20
Friday, January 3rd.
The Rotunda: 4012 Walnut St., Philadelphia, PA. All Ages. Free admission. 9p=
m
215-573-3234
http://www.foundationarts.org
flyer available at 215noise.com

 Scheduled to perform:
*=A0 =A0 Hearts of Darkness (Schematic/Zod Records)- Screamy Post-Punk IDM

*=A0 =A0 Girl Talk (Illegal arts/SSS)- Top 40 plunderphonics

*=A0 =A0 LA Nights AKA Andriu- (Best Friends Records)-Electronic anthems for=
 the=20
masses

*=A0 =A0 Dysis-(Nobodyunderthesun)-2 step Ragga/Jungle

*=A0 =A0 So Red-(Nobodyunderthesun)-IDM shredder

*=A0 =A0 DEV 79-(Sonicterror/Seclusiasis)- Ill stepping noise hop

*=A0 =A0 Duran Duran Duran-(Irritant/A.I.M. Records)- Cut-up spazzbreaks

*=A0 =A0 Nodalterror-(215noise)-Hypermashed futurecore

*=A0 =A0 Zenas_Prime-(Zenapolae)-Glitchy texture experiments

*=A0 =A0 Panzer Division-(Dark Black Music)-Rythmic Noise


The Cleveland Connect Boyz Gone Wyld Winter Tour 2002-2003
10 bands, 30 minutes each.=20
Friday, January 3rd.



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Sorry for=
 the plug. If you are in/close to Philly, make sure to include this in your=20=
post-New Years plans :)

215noise and The Foundation present <= BR> The Cleveland Connect Boyz Gone Wyld Winter Tour 2002-2003
10 bands, 30 minutes each.
Friday, January 3rd.
The Rotunda: 4012 Walnut St., Philadelphia, PA. All Ages. Free admission. 9p= m
215-573-3234
http://www.foundationarts.org
flyer available at 215noise.com

Scheduled to perform:
*=A0 =A0 Hearts of Darkness (Schematic/Zod Records)- Screamy Post-Punk IDM
*=A0 =A0 Girl Talk (Illegal arts/SSS)- Top 40 plunderphonics

*=A0 =A0 LA Nights AKA Andriu- (Best Friends Records)-Electronic anthems for= the masses

*=A0 =A0 Dysis-(Nobodyunderthesun)-2 step Ragga/Jungle

*=A0 =A0 So Red-(Nobodyunderthesun)-IDM shredder

*=A0 =A0 DEV 79-(Sonicterror/Seclusiasis)- Ill stepping noise hop

*=A0 =A0 Duran Duran Duran-(Irritant/A.I.M. Records)- Cut-up spazzbreaks

*=A0 =A0 Nodalterror-(215noise)-Hypermashed futurecore

*=A0 =A0 Zenas_Prime-(Zenapolae)-Glitchy texture experiments

*=A0 =A0 Panzer Division-(Dark Black Music)-Rythmic Noise


The Cleveland Connect Boyz Gone Wyld Winter Tour 2002-2003
10 bands, 30 minutes each.
Friday, January 3rd.


--part1_1a8.e6d5215.2b4086f9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 12:18:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02139; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:18:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:18:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <189.135b6007.2b408840@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:17:52 EST Subject: Re: Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA02113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick (and all you other would -be revolutionaries), Why the heck not? Here it is: Serge Tikhanoff, c/o Radio Penguin P.O. Box 29 Novosibirsk 630005 RUSSIA I think it's a grand idea. In a message dated 12/29/02 3:25:43 AM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: >Just for the hey of it, Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA >and help turn this adventuresome and supportive DJ >into the hippest thing north of Moscow. > >Ted, if you are into it, why don't you post this guys' >mailing address and let's all send him our CDs. > >I have some cool press that I've accrued about the >international looping movement and can send that to >him too, to let him know what our community is about >and enlist his aid in getting the music out to the people >of Siberia. > >You know the cosmopolitan centers of the world always >get the cutting edge stuff first in this world. Why don't >we do our part to get the stuff out to places that it >would normally take a few years to get to. Long loop the revolution! tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 12:50:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04782; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:50:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:50:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E0F353F.5020400@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:47:43 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: RE: Kurzweil Expressionmate Midi Controller References: <67.5cf8109.2b408a8b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just noticed that it says to call 800 776-5173 and mention priority code 212T on this flyer. Maybe this is the only way to nab one, I don't know. Kevin -- Wonderful! Wonderful! The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable If you try to hear it with your ears You'll hardly understand Only when you hear it in your eyes Will you be able to know. Sound and Vision -- http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 13:20:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08005; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:18:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:18:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:04:32 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: strange question/Japanese gear In-reply-to: <3E0E958A.9050600@minds-eye.org> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3E0E958A.9050600@minds-eye.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:26 PM -0800 12/28/02, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >Does anyone know what sort of power conversion problems there might >be between gear sold in Japan that will be used in the United States? Japan uses 100V rather than 110V, so it might be prudent to put a resistor in the power line. I bought a gray-market Yamaha CX5 a few years ago, and it came with an extension cord with a resistor splice in. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 13:22:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08028; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:18:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:18:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:12:40 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA In-reply-to: <001b01c2af2c$a30300a0$7862f93f@global> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200212290612.BAA20937@hemlock.violacea.com> <001b01c2af2c$a30300a0$7862f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:22 AM -0800 12/29/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA >and help turn this adventuresome and supportive DJ into >the hippest thing north of Moscow. East, actually. http://www.friends-partners.org/oldfriends/siberia/pict/siberia.gif ftp://ftp.cs.toronto.edu/%2Fcs/ftp/pub/mes/gifs/siberia.gif >You know the cosmopolitan centers of the world always get the cutting >edge stuff first in this world. Why don't we do our part to get >the stuff out to places that it would normally take a few years to get to. Great idea! There's at least one Internet radio station in Antarctica, too. Both times I listened they were playing blues. >Who knows: The FIRST SIBERIAN LOOPING FESTIVAL in 2006? > >I'd go! I've always wanted to go to Tierra Del Fuego. Any loopers there? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 13:22:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08053; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:18:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:18:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:19:02 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA In-reply-to: <005401c2af30$354c9ea0$0201a8c0@eluk> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200212290612.BAA20937@hemlock.violacea.com> <001b01c2af2c$a30300a0$7862f93f@global> <005401c2af30$354c9ea0$0201a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: <5Z9oRB.A.v9B.HyzD-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:47 AM +0000 12/29/02, S.P. Goodman wrote: >One of the first regular downloaders of the Loop of the Week was in >St. Petersburg, who until just a few years ago, was sending >Christmas greetings as well. Next summer St Pete will host the Electroshock Festival of electronic music. And here's an item from Prava on-line: http://english.pravda.ru/culture/2002/05/08/28444.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 13:46:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09472; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:42:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:42:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:23:22 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA In-reply-to: <189.135b6007.2b408840@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <189.135b6007.2b408840@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:17 PM -0500 12/29/02, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >Serge Tikhanoff, >c/o Radio Penguin >P.O. Box 29 >Novosibirsk 630005 >RUSSIA How about e-mail? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 13:46:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09517; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:43:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:43:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c2af61$4f60fd00$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <3d.29bf458f.2b4085e7@aol.com> Subject: Re: Loop Music Goes to Siberia . . . Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:39:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some times looping is also a punishment.... Claude >
funny how things change.....once a place of punishment now a font of 
> progressive music.....most cool ted!.....michael
> 
> 

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Doctor Z.,

Okay, Mr. Tikhanoff's e-mail address is: serge@gallery.nsc.ru
Just don't get him inadvertently enrolled on any spam lists.

In a message dated 12/29/02 10:43:29 AM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes:

>>Serge Tikhanoff,
>>c/o Radio Penguin
>>P.O. Box 29
>>Novosibirsk 630005
>>RUSSIA
>
>How about e-mail?

Cheers,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake

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Count me in.  I love loopy ideas, and sending music to Siberia is cool!
(ouch!!)

Actually, I have had good luck with a few college stations in Alaska, so
maybe in 2007 we can do launch a "Loop Around The World" festival --
spanning all the 24 timezones from Siberia to Alaska.

Until that date, let's start by send something to:

Serge Tikhanoff,
c/o Radio Penguin
P.O. Box 29
Novosibirsk 630005
RUSSIA

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Went to Penn.  I should be able to find it!!

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  Sorry for the plug. If you are in/close to Philly, make sure to include this in your post-New Years plans :)

  215noise and The Foundation present 
  The Cleveland Connect Boyz Gone Wyld Winter Tour 2002-2003
  10 bands, 30 minutes each. 
  Friday, January 3rd.
  The Rotunda: 4012 Walnut St., Philadelphia, PA. All Ages. Free admission. 9pm
  215-573-3234
  http://www.foundationarts.org
  flyer available at 215noise.com

  Scheduled to perform:
  *    Hearts of Darkness (Schematic/Zod Records)- Screamy Post-Punk IDM

  *    Girl Talk (Illegal arts/SSS)- Top 40 plunderphonics

  *    LA Nights AKA Andriu- (Best Friends Records)-Electronic anthems for the masses

  *    Dysis-(Nobodyunderthesun)-2 step Ragga/Jungle

  *    So Red-(Nobodyunderthesun)-IDM shredder

  *    DEV 79-(Sonicterror/Seclusiasis)- Ill stepping noise hop

  *    Duran Duran Duran-(Irritant/A.I.M. Records)- Cut-up spazzbreaks

  *    Nodalterror-(215noise)-Hypermashed futurecore

  *    Zenas_Prime-(Zenapolae)-Glitchy texture experiments

  *    Panzer Division-(Dark Black Music)-Rythmic Noise


  The Cleveland Connect Boyz Gone Wyld Winter Tour 2002-2003
  10 bands, 30 minutes each. 
  Friday, January 3rd.



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Went to Penn.  I should be able to find it!!
 
Sempai
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Subject: Philadelphia promo:Boyz Gone Wyld 1/3

Sorry for the plug. If you are in/close to Philly, make sure to include this in your post-New Years plans :)

215noise and The Foundation present
The Cleveland Connect Boyz Gone Wyld Winter Tour 2002-2003
10 bands, 30 minutes each.
Friday, January 3rd.
The Rotunda: 4012 Walnut St., Philadelphia, PA. All Ages. Free admission. 9pm
215-573-3234
http://www.foundationarts.org
flyer available at 215noise.com

Scheduled to perform:
*    Hearts of Darkness (Schematic/Zod Records)- Screamy Post-Punk IDM

*    Girl Talk (Illegal arts/SSS)- Top 40 plunderphonics

*    LA Nights AKA Andriu- (Best Friends Records)-Electronic anthems for the masses

*    Dysis-(Nobodyunderthesun)-2 step Ragga/Jungle

*    So Red-(Nobodyunderthesun)-IDM shredder

*    DEV 79-(Sonicterror/Seclusiasis)- Ill stepping noise hop

*    Duran Duran Duran-(Irritant/A.I.M. Records)- Cut-up spazzbreaks

*    Nodalterror-(215noise)-Hypermashed futurecore

*    Zenas_Prime-(Zenapolae)-Glitchy texture experiments

*    Panzer Division-(Dark Black Music)-Rythmic Noise


The Cleveland Connect Boyz Gone Wyld Winter Tour 2002-2003
10 bands, 30 minutes each.
Friday, January 3rd.


--Boundary_(ID_lVWX35ycRCfVUyExu7rAsA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 23:02:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22315; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:00:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:00:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:04:04 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA In-reply-to: <000e01c2af93$5fc207c0$df06a044@hppav> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200212290612.BAA20937@hemlock.violacea.com> <001b01c2af2c$a30300a0$7862f93f@global> <000e01c2af93$5fc207c0$df06a044@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:38 PM -0500 12/29/02, David wrote: >maybe in 2007 we can do launch a "Loop Around The World" festival -- >spanning all the 24 timezones from Siberia to Alaska. Electronic Cafe International in Santa Monica has done a number of New Year "Telebrations" in which live connections were made with various groups around the world. This was a more personal version of the pseudo-millenial celebrations during the 1999->2000 New Year. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 01:26:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01484; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:24:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:24:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:09:49 -0800 From: Daryl Subject: [looper's] production fretless guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E0FE32D.7E05D069@mhorse.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021211170129.00a8df80@mail.pdfsystems.com> <3DF7BDD4.BB407D8E@mhorse.com> <005e01c2a16a$ca494540$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, thought this might be of interest to David Beardsley and anyone else playing microtonal music and/or fretless guitars. I was at Guitar Center (yuk) the other day and saw a Godin 12-string classical fretless! The only time I've even heard of someone playing an instrument like this is Pat Metheny, who used a custom one on his live record from a year or two ago. It sounds pretty bizarre...I didn't get to play it, but I was imagining the fun someone could have who's had experience playing fretless. it's also got a plain finish fingerboard, unmarked except for the edge; someone with a lot of patience could construct a whole lot of mictrotonal scales and mark 'em out with chalk or a grease pencil. It's obviously begging to be used by people making unusual music...I'd love to hear someone have some looping fun with it. Here's the manufacturer's link. http://www.godinguitars.com/godinmultnylonfretlessp.htm Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 01:40:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02273; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:36:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:36:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:27:07 -0800 From: Daryl Subject: Re: [looper's] production fretless guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E0FE73B.A763B2B5@mhorse.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=------------B53BDF67CF9676786CB39529 X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021211170129.00a8df80@mail.pdfsystems.com> <3DF7BDD4.BB407D8E@mhorse.com> <005e01c2a16a$ca494540$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <3E0FE32D.7E05D069@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------B53BDF67CF9676786CB39529 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oops, realized I pasted the link to a 6 string fretless. They have two production fretless classical guitars! Here's the 12-string, actually 11-string, version that I saw. They call it the "Glissentar". http://www.godinguitars.com/godinglissentarp.htm Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com --------------B53BDF67CF9676786CB39529 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
oops, realized I pasted the link to a 6 string fretless. They have two production fretless classical guitars!  Here's the 12-string, actually 11-string, version that I saw.  They call it the "Glissentar".

http://www.godinguitars.com/godinglissentarp.htm

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com
  --------------B53BDF67CF9676786CB39529-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 03:39:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10550; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:36:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:36:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.171.0.230] User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:33:53 -0600 Subject: Touring looper From: Stendek To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2002 08:36:10.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[81215100:01C2AFDE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings fellow loopers! My name is Stendek. I am a loop artist from St Louis, MO USA, and I am currently trying to find other loop artists who want to trade shows with me. I have recently traded shows with Guitarist Denis Taaffe and it was awesome. I am looking for gigs anywhere in the US and Canada. Anything would be great. Money guarantees are not necessary. To find out more about me, I have a website at: http://www.stendek.info/ As far as what I have to offer gig-wise, I can't make a money guarantee, but I can guarantee a free meal, and a place to crash. The venue I play at most frequently is a coffeehouse/art lounge called the Atomic Cowboy and it has a great vibe. The owner loves interesting music and he is really cool. Anyone interested in trading shows please contact me at: larryloopstation@hotmail.com Thanks, Stendek From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 07:33:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24072; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 07:29:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 07:29:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 07:29:15 EST Subject: Re: [looper's] production fretless guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="part1_fd.219865a9.2b41961b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_fd.219865a9.2b41961b_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="fd.219865a9_alt_bound" --fd.219865a9_alt_bound Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi, thought this might be of interest to David Beardsley and anyone else=20 playing microtonal music and/or fretless guitars.=A0 I was at Guitar Center (yuk) th= e other day and saw a Godin 12-string classical fretless!=A0 The only time I'v= e=20 even heard of someone playing an instrument like this is Pat Metheny, who used a custom one on his live record from a year or two ago.=A0 It sounds pretty bizarre...I didn't get to play it, but I was imagining the fun someone could have who's had experience playing fretless.=A0 it's also got a plain finish fingerboard, unmarked except for the edge; someone with a lot of patience=20 could construct a whole lot of mictrotonal scales and mark 'em out with chalk or a grease pencil. It's obviously begging to be used by people making unusual music...I'd love=20 to hear someone have some looping fun with it. Here's the manufacturer's link. http://www.godinguitars.com/godinmultnylonfretlessp.htm Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com Daryl, The guitar you're speaking of is a Godin "Glissentar"....It is actually an 1= 1=20 string nylon fretless guitar. Robert Godin came up with the concept to=20 create a sound similar to an Oud, but tuned, set up and with a feel like a=20 guitar. strings 1-5 (actually 2-10) are pairs of strings tuned in=20 unison.....the 11 th string or bass string is a single string. I believe=20 Godin went this route to avoid buzzing on the bass string. Custom string=20 sets are available for the instrument as well. As a Godin endorsee, I acquired one of the first from the production line an= d=20 can tell you it is a fun and unique instrument. I used it on my current CD=20 release "Canciones del alma" (Songs from the Soul) Wannadu by Wayne Wesley=20 Johnson (New! available this week online through CDBaby, CDStreet and=20 Guitar9 at http://wannadu.com) or, order= ed direct at the Wannadu, LLC address=20 shown below ) ...I chose to use it on a track to get a somewhat "haunting"=20 sound on a tune I wrote called "Sambaleo".....Played in the lower registers=20 provided a really interesting tonality in the recording. =20 When the instrument was first released a few years ago.....I used it in a=20 live situation, when I performed in NYC with a "ska" group called "two and a= =20 half white guys!" Click here: CD Review - Two and a Half White Guys= - Two=20 and a Half White Guys - longislandmusicscene.com The band asked if I w= ould=20 sit in with them on a gig one night, So, I brought it along. Since the ban= d=20 was well equipped with guitarists, I thought it would be interesting to add=20= a=20 different "sound" to the group. It worked out nicely. It is a nice "tool" to have in the tool box. Could be a powerful addition t= o=20 a "loopers" arsenal. =20 Click here: God= in Glissentar=20 Best Regards,=20 [Unable to display image] Wayne Wesley Johnson Click here: Wannadu Music--Jazz, Flamenco,= and Guitar Music and Production=20 [Unable to display image] Wannadu, LLC 7 Avenida Vista Grande #-260 Santa Fe, NM 87508 phone: 505.466.8700 fax: 505.466.8702 email: Wjguitar@aol.com or WannaduLLC@aol.com website: http://wannadu.com =20 --fd.219865a9_alt_bound Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi, thought this might be of interest to David= Beardsley and anyone else playing
microtonal music and/or fretless guitars.=A0 I was at Guitar Center (yuk) th= e
other day and saw a Godin 12-string classical fretless!=A0 The only time I'v= e even
heard of someone playing an instrument like this is Pat Metheny, who used a<= BR> custom one on his live record from a year or two ago.=A0 It sounds pretty bizarre...I didn't get to play it, but I was imagining the fun someone could=
have who's had experience playing fretless.=A0 it's also got a plain finish<= BR> fingerboard, unmarked except for the edge; someone with a lot of patience co= uld
construct a whole lot of mictrotonal scales and mark 'em out with chalk or a=
grease pencil.

It's obviously begging to be used by people making unusual music...I'd love=20= to
hear someone have some looping fun with it.

Here's the manufacturer's link.

http://www.godinguitars.com/godinmultnylonfretlessp.htm

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com

Daryl,

The guitar you're speaking of is a Godin "Glissentar"....It is actually an 1= 1 string nylon fretless guitar.  Robert Godin came up with the concept=20= to create a sound similar to an Oud, but tuned, set up and with a feel like=20= a guitar.  strings 1-5 (actually 2-10) are pairs of strings tuned in un= ison.....the 11 th string or bass string is a single string.  I believe= Godin went this route to avoid buzzing on the bass string.  Custom str= ing sets are available for the instrument as well.

As a Godin endorsee, I acquired one of the first from the production line an= d can tell you it is a fun and unique instrument.  I used it on my curr= ent CD release "Canciones del alma" (Songs from the Soul) Wannadu&nbs= p; by Wayne Wesley Johnson
(New!  available this week online through CDBaby,=20= CDStreet and Guitar9 at http://wannadu.com)<= /A> or, ordered direct at the Wannadu, LLC address shown below )  ...I chose to use it on a tr= ack to get a somewhat "haunting" sound on a tune I wrote called "Sambaleo"..= ...Played in the lower registers provided a really interesting tonality in t= he recording. 

When the instrument was first released a few years ago.....I used it in a li= ve situation, when I performed in NYC with a "ska" group called "two and a h= alf white guys!"  
Click here: CD Review - Two and a Half White Guys - Two and a=20= Half White Guys - longislandmusicscene.com   The band asked if I would sit in with th= em on a gig one night,  So, I brought it along.  Since the band wa= s well equipped with guitarists, I thought it would be interesting to add a=20= different "sound" to the group.  It worked out nicely.

It is a nice "tool" to have in the tool box.  Could be a powerful addit= ion to a "loopers" arsenal.  

Click here: Godin Glissentar


Best Regards,

Wayne Wesley Johnson

  Click here: Wannadu= Music--Jazz, Flamenco, and Guitar Music and Production

Wannadu, LLC
7 Avenida Vista Grande #-260
Santa Fe, NM 87508

phone: 505.466.8700  fax: 505.466.8702

email: Wjguitar@aol.com   or  WannaduLLC@aol.com
website:  http://wannadu.com







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Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl" > hi, thought this might be of interest to David Beardsley and anyone else playing > microtonal music and/or fretless guitars. I was at Guitar Center (yuk) the > other day and saw a Godin 12-string classical fretless! I know about the Glissentar, wouldn't mind trying one. I didn't know they also made a Classical Fretless. Sounds interesting, but I have my hands full as it is. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 10:57:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04833; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:56:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:56:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E106F84.6C03D3FC@jps.net> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:08:36 -0800 From: Dan Shapiro Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Organization: PT MEDIA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------DB791EB4899A88537A5959CD" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------DB791EB4899A88537A5959CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --------------DB791EB4899A88537A5959CD Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --------------DB791EB4899A88537A5959CD-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 11:19:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07289; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:16:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:16:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3E0F353F.5020400@minds-eye.org> References: <67.5cf8109.2b408a8b@aol.com> <3E0F353F.5020400@minds-eye.org> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:14:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: Kurzweil Expressionmate Midi Controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-rl3TC.A.zxB.SFHE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I just noticed that it says to call 800 776-5173 and mention >priority code 212T on this flyer. Maybe this is the only way to nab >one, I don't know. You can get it at Sweetwater Sound for $169! wow! what a great deal... oh, oh, should I get one? /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 11:25:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07744; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:21:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:21:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <67.5cf8109.2b408a8b@aol.com> <3E0F353F.5020400@minds-eye.org> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:20:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: Kurzweil Expressionmate Midi Controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >You can get it at Sweetwater Sound for $169! > >wow! what a great deal... oh, oh, should I get one? I did. I'll let you lot know. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 11:43:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08638; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:33:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:33:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1970 12:51:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: repeater mod From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i just wanted to send a quick note to say that i had the repeater (noise reduction) mod done last month and i have had a chance to A/B it with and un-modified repeater and i think the reduction is significant. i'd say in the 50-65% quiter range in terms of the clock noise and 25-50% range for overall hum and hiss. some folks had inquired so i thought i'd post an update. monk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 11:44:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09371; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:41:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:41:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Touring looper Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:40:53 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Touring looper Thread-Index: AcKv3sJBDR3672aRS6+c+yJQcjkDkAAMlBiw From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2002 16:40:54.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[38520070:01C2B022] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA09346 Resent-Message-ID: <0OQCLC.A.VSC.hcHE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi , same goes for me,looking for gigs except my website is http://www.dtguitar.com . Yeah cool, I traded shows and we shared shows together with this Stendek fellow. He is realy cool, easy to work with and the looping show we did was reat.we each got an hour to play. In fact, I am heading to st.louis to do another with him jan.07. Yeah,looking to do mroe shows as well.In fact,Stendek, maybe we can share some more shows!!! loopers? Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Stendek [mailto:larryloopstation@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Touring looper Greetings fellow loopers! My name is Stendek. I am a loop artist from St Louis, MO USA, and I am currently trying to find other loop artists who want to trade shows with me. I have recently traded shows with Guitarist Denis Taaffe and it was awesome. I am looking for gigs anywhere in the US and Canada. Anything would be great. Money guarantees are not necessary. To find out more about me, I have a website at: http://www.stendek.info/ As far as what I have to offer gig-wise, I can't make a money guarantee, but I can guarantee a free meal, and a place to crash. The venue I play at most frequently is a coffeehouse/art lounge called the Atomic Cowboy and it has a great vibe. The owner loves interesting music and he is really cool. Anyone interested in trading shows please contact me at: larryloopstation@hotmail.com Thanks, Stendek From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 12:00:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10585; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:56:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:56:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021230165559.24928.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:55:59 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Glissantar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200212301557.KAA04909@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Trey Gunn uses one in his band (The Trey Gunn band) to good effect. He mentioned that it sounds exceptional with a little fuzz thrown on. Though a bit quieter than Godin's Multiac Nylon (acoustically that is), it has a nice tone due to the doubled string effect. The 6 string fretless is a new one on me. The synth access makes it that much more interesting. I've been using the Multiac Nylon with synth access for the past year and continue to be blown away by the sounds that can come from a nylon stringed instrument. And yes, I do quite a bit of looping with it. SVG I was at Guitar Center the other day and saw a Godin 12-string classical fretless! The only time I've even heard of someone playing an instrument like this is Pat Metheny, who used a custom one on his live record from a year or two ago. It sounds pretty bizarre...I didn't get to play it, but I was imagining the fun someone could have who's had experience playing fretless. it's also got a plain finish fingerboard, unmarked except for the edge; someone with a lot of patience could construct a whole lot of mictrotonal scales and mark 'em out with chalk or a grease pencil. It's obviously begging to be used by people making unusual music...I'd love to hear someone have some looping fun with it. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 12:01:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10694; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:58:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:58:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3f.162e87cb.2b41d527@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:58:15 EST Subject: Re: Loop Music Goes to Siberia . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3f.162e87cb.2b41d527_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3f.162e87cb.2b41d527_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/29/02 1:43:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes: > Some times looping is also a punishment.... > only to the unenlightened ear!.....:).....michael --part1_3f.162e87cb.2b41d527_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/29/02 1:43:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes:


Some times looping is also a punishment....


only to the unenlightened ear!.....:).....michael
--part1_3f.162e87cb.2b41d527_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 12:21:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13401; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:20:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:20:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:21:43 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Glissantar In-reply-to: <20021230165559.24928.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021230165559.24928.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:55 AM -0800 12/30/02, S V G wrote: >The 6 string fretless is a new one on me. The synth access makes it >that much more interesting. I've been using the Multiac Nylon with >synth access A fretless MIDI guitar has interesting implications. Presumably this Godin instrument is outfitted with the RMC pickups and outputs six acoustic signals to your MIDI convertor of choice. The convertor then outputs a MIDI note and pitch bend message, but what happens when you're playing "in the cracks"? My Peavey Cyberbass has an interesting MIDI mode whereby each string outputs one MIDI note plus a pitch bend value within a two octave range. That is, as you play up and down the string the note doesn't change, just the pitch bend value. This could work well on a fretless MIDI guitar, but I'm don't know if this mode exisits on any guitar-to-MIDI interfaces. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 14:07:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23014; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:06:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:06:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <193.13204dbc.2b41f2f2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:05:22 EST Subject: Gig opportunity in Montana To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10634 Resent-Message-ID: <1VFs3C.A.bnF.kkJE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can get some great gigs for loopers here in Montana... I make more money looping right now than I ever have in any cover bands... I just did a WEDDING of all things yesterday for $360.00 (SOLO) I cannot afford to pay your way by any means but if anyone happens to come through Montana I could set up a show and I would be happy to open for you, you open or we share the entire night and perform together ... whatever you like! Feel free to e-mail me OFF the list @ touchingbass@aol.com if you are interested in participating. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 14:12:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23456; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:11:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:11:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:09:43 -0600 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: repeater mod In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <011701c2b037$02c5c300$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com did you get any detail about what he did? > i just wanted to send a quick note to say that i had the repeater > (noise reduction) mod done last month and i have had a chance > to A/B it > with and un-modified repeater and i think the reduction is > significant. > i'd say in the 50-65% quiter range in terms of the clock noise and > 25-50% range for overall hum and hiss. > > some folks had inquired so i thought i'd post an update. > > > monk > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 14:12:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23579; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:12:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:12:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <94.3202fd55.2b41f477@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:11:51 EST Subject: 9 & ZEN To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10634 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a new duo I perform with I would love to show you all our little site... Its only an AOL homepage for now, but we will launch a real site very soon! http://hometown.aol.com/zendrumdude/9andZen.html We loop, and use non traditional instruments... I hope you dig it! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 14:31:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24796; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:29:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:29:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:30:04 -0500 Subject: Re: repeater mod Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <011701c2b037$02c5c300$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: <188BED88-1C2D-11D7-BE37-000393C629BC@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: <8ArJzB.A.WDG.26JE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes it has to do with shielding in the unit and some changes to the power supply. more than that would be over my head anyway... On Monday, December 30, 2002, at 02:09 PM, Jim Palmer wrote: > did you get any detail about what he did? > >> i just wanted to send a quick note to say that i had the repeater >> (noise reduction) mod done last month and i have had a chance >> to A/B it >> with and un-modified repeater and i think the reduction is >> significant. >> i'd say in the 50-65% quiter range in terms of the clock noise and >> 25-50% range for overall hum and hiss. >> >> some folks had inquired so i thought i'd post an update. >> >> >> monk >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 14:41:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25772; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:40:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:40:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Gig opportunity in Montana Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:34:17 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Gig opportunity in Montana Thread-Index: AcKwNq0yEVCzGSnTQUCx0nxydHfN3wADT+9w From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2002 19:34:18.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[71955900:01C2B03A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA25738 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi , hmmm, sounds interesting...tell me more denis@dtguitar.com , what do you thik Stendek,roadtrip, I will be in dalls in march which is near by, but what dates could we do, wanna come to indiana and do some shows? Denis -----Original Message----- From: Looping9string@aol.com [mailto:Looping9string@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig opportunity in Montana I can get some great gigs for loopers here in Montana... I make more money looping right now than I ever have in any cover bands... I just did a WEDDING of all things yesterday for $360.00 (SOLO) I cannot afford to pay your way by any means but if anyone happens to come through Montana I could set up a show and I would be happy to open for you, you open or we share the entire night and perform together ... whatever you like! Feel free to e-mail me OFF the list @ touchingbass@aol.com if you are interested in participating. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 15:58:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31574; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:55:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:55:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.203.193] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [looper's] production fretless guitar Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:54:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2002 20:54:32.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[A722C160:01C2B045] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi... I am also a Godin endorsee, although my area of expertise is their basses (which, BTW, are exceptional). Godin makes the aforementioned Glissentar as well as a fretless nylon string acoustic/electric with synth-access by RMC (this work quite well with the Roland VG system as well as the Roland GR's). I have had the privilage of playing both of these, and they are wonderful! There is a lot of expression locked away in these guitars. As for fretless gtr, I belive our very own Steve Lawson has done some shows with a wizard of fretless guitar playing from France (who's name I cannot recollect). Yes, there is Metheny...and Fareed Haque, who also makes great use of the Glissentar! ...and I believe DT/SC did some work with the Glissentar (although he is a fabulous oud player as well.). Max _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 16:27:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01626; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:22:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:22:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:26:19 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: [looper's] production fretless guitar In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:54 PM +0000 12/30/02, max valentino wrote: >Godin makes the aforementioned Glissentar as well as a fretless >nylon string acoustic/electric with synth-access by RMC (this work >quite well with the Roland VG system as well as the Roland GR's). I've heard it said that the nylon string models work less well with the VG system than do steel-string electrics. Do you have any thoughts on that? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 16:41:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02147; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:35:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:35:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:35:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200212301635.AA139395404@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Loop Music Goes to Siberia . . . X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <83vzp.A.dh.RwLE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wonder if the Siberian Symphonies play only Philip Glass music :) Kevin P.S. I love Philip Glass, but I'd hate to be in the cello section for one of his syphonies. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Claude Voit" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:39:59 +0100 >Some times looping is also a punishment.... > >Claude > > > >>
funny how things change.....once a place of punishment now a font of 
>> progressive music.....most cool ted!.....michael
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> The security guards don't look that closely so you
> can breeze past them if you have something that at
> least looks like a legitimate pass.

This may not get you by for long ... two years ago I borrowed a badge to get
in and I walked around for a couple of hours, then one of the security
guards at an exhibition hall asked me for photo ID ... snagged!

> Another thing I've heard of, but haven't tried, is the old
> men's room back door entry route.

This may only get you so far as well since they check badges when you go
from exhibition hall to another exhibition hall.

You may just ask one of the smaller vendors for a pass if you offer to help
them out at their booth ... that could be everything from helping
set-up/tear-down to handing out flyers.

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At 1:37 PM -0800 12/30/02, doug @ jump/cut wrote:

>two years ago I borrowed a badge to get in and I walked around for a 
>couple of hours, then one of the security guards at an exhibition 
>hall asked me for photo ID ... snagged!

You must have really stood out in the crowd! It's so common for NAMM 
attendees to be using other people's badges that it's a running joke. 
Of course in recent years NAMM (the organization) HAS been tightening 
access, so you may have been caught in a sweep.


>This may only get you so far as well since they check badges when you go
>from exhibition hall to another exhibition hall.

I've never noticed guards between the halls (the freely connect at 
two points), but then I usually have a legit badge. Walking around 
badgeless is not a viable solution. I might allow you to make a 
connection for a real badge though.

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> You must have really stood out in the crowd! It's so common for NAMM
> attendees to be using other people's badges that it's a running joke.

indeed, one year at NAMM, I was Bob Weir for the whole time, on a Modulus
badge!! :o)

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does anyone know where i can find info on the NAMM
show and who will be attending.  i'm also trying to
get a map of the area or just general info on the
setup for the booths.  

thanks...evan 

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Those of you who were interested in Eliott Sharp's
8-string a few weeks ago might like this:


(It's the Charlie Hunter 8-string...)

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Anybody know how much these things are going for?  I'd definitely like
one in my arsenal.

Ernesto

On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:55:59 -0800 (PST), "S V G" 
said:
> 
>      Trey Gunn uses one in his band (The Trey Gunn band) to good effect. 
>      He mentioned that it
> sounds exceptional with a little fuzz thrown on.  Though a bit quieter
> than Godin's Multiac Nylon
> (acoustically that is), it has a nice tone due to the doubled string
> effect.  
> 
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..:| jump/cut new year's eve show |:..

Jupiter
Tuesday, December 31
9pm - 2am
$10 (includes party favors + champagne)
2181 Shattuck Ave
Berkeley, CA
510.843.8277


// the concept //
a new breed of "organic electronica" that takes its musical inspiration from
two things: 1. modern jazz fused electronic music, and 2. visual mediums
like film and art. the resulting soundscapes translate to elastic grooves
and trippy loops with breakbeat twists and cool visuals

// the collaborators //
:: trevel beshore :: midi guitar-synth ::
:: doug lawrence :: bass / loops ::
:: kyle mueller :: drums / samples ::
:: dylan yanez :: turntables / samples ::

// special guest //
:: aaron mccoy :: alto sax/flute ::

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The price at Musician's Friend is $169.99 (I found the flyer; they send it in 
the boxes containing items they ship).  You need the item number and the 
priority code as quoted by Kevin in his previous messages; the salespeople 
can't seem to find it without those numbers).

Thanks for the info, Kevin.  I ordered one last night and it's on it's way.

Paul Camann

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The price at Musician's Friend is $169.99 (I found the flyer; they send it in the boxes containing items they ship).  You need the item number and the priority code as quoted by Kevin in his previous messages; the salespeople can't seem to find it without those numbers).

Thanks for the info, Kevin.  I ordered one last night and it's on it's way.

Paul Camann
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Last year I saw a bald, white Chuck Rainey!

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In a message dated 12/30/2002 3:41:46 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
evanmeyers@yahoo.com writes:


> does anyone know where i can find info on the NAMM
> show and who will be attending.  i'm also trying to
> get a map of the area or just general info on the
> setup for the booths.  
> 
> thanks...evan 
> 
> 

you can get a directory but usually not until you arrive

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In a message dated 12/30/2002 3:41:46 PM Mountain Standard Time, evanmeyers@yahoo.com writes:


does anyone know where i can find info on the NAMM
show and who will be attending.  i'm also trying to
get a map of the area or just general info on the
setup for the booths. 

thanks...evan



you can get a directory but usually not until you arrive
--part1_105.237a7d8a.2b423d5d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 19:50:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17615; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:48:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:48:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013101c2b066$47ff1f50$2a2a7244@ccsunet.clayton.edu> From: "magicicada" To: References: <105.237a7d8a.2b423d5d@aol.com> Subject: A review on my new cd. Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:48:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012E_01C2B03C.5EF53610" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012E_01C2B03C.5EF53610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sorry for the whoring.=20 http://www.splendidezine.com/review.html?reviewid=3D32476593011263858 just kinda nice for people to start taking notice of it. thanks, c ------=_NextPart_000_012E_01C2B03C.5EF53610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
sorry for the whoring.
http://www.splendidezine.com/review.html?reviewid=3D324765930112638= 58
just kinda nice for people to start = taking notice=20 of it.
thanks,
c
------=_NextPart_000_012E_01C2B03C.5EF53610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 20:14:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19993; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:14:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:14:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013601c2b069$d3ba6ce0$cad162d8@allindlaw> Reply-To: "doug @ jump/cut" From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: References: <20021230224012.40504.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:13:25 -0800 Organization: http://www.jumpcut.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-tERXC.A.T4E.l9OE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> i'm also trying to get a map of the area >> or just general info on the setup for >> the booths. NAMM 2003 Exhibitor List http://12.22.222.15/tradeshow/winter/exlist_winter/ts_exhiblist.html Anaheim Floorplans http://www.namm.com/tradeshow/floorplans.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 20:16:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19655; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:09:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:09:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.158.94.46] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: spam: NYC Stick/Looping gig Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:04:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2002 01:04:27.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[90C96400:01C2B068] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ciao friends. I’ll be starting out the year with a solo Stick/Looping gig here in NYC. Thursday, Jan 02 10.30 pm (lounge is open 9-2) Free w/ ID phOnOmena @ subtonic lounge 107 Norfolk Street (bet. Rivington & Delancey) New York, NY Regards & Happy New Year, Lou Rossi PS. Below please find a link to my "cut" up online demo. http://www.yourwebeddy.com/lou/ These are the tracks. FYI, 1&4 are the solo & the rest has me playing along w/ a band... 1. Ambient Loop 2. Pads 3. Processed tapping> harmonized arpeggios> "siren" 4. Dissonant Loop 5. Diatonic Chording clean & dirty 6. E-bow solo Total time is 6.35 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_advancedjmf_3mf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 20:16:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20231; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:16:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:16:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.176.183] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [looper's] production fretless guitar Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:15:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2002 01:15:48.0489 (UTC) FILETIME=[26DDD790:01C2B06A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard; I have heard just the opposite: that nylon string gtrs respond better that steel strung counterparts! I tried the aforementioned Godin with the VG system, albeit briefly, and noticed no real glitches or latency issues. It triggered and tracked very well, and the mix of the nylon string sound with the VG's models/fx was impressive! Max > >I've heard it said that the nylon string models work less well with the VG >system than do steel-string electrics. Do you have any thoughts on that? >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 20:25:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20726; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:25:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:25:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:29:15 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: [looper's] production fretless guitar In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:15 AM +0000 12/31/02, max valentino wrote: >I have heard just the opposite: that nylon string gtrs respond >better that steel strung counterparts! The first time I ever met a Godin nylon MIDI guitar or a Roland VGuitar was at the same time, as a system. It seemed fine to me. Now that I think about it, the comment I heard was NOT about nylon vs. steel strings but about RMC vs. magnetic pickups! It seemed reasonable to me at the time, because I'd expect piezos to pick up more of the spectral complexity of the attack (harder to analyze) whereas a magnetic pickup would reproduce the sustain portion more cleanly. Any pickup gurus have an opinion. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 22:31:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28397; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:29:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:29:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021231032919.76080.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:29:19 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <105.237a7d8a.2b423d5d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is there anything available before i get there? i have a lot to prepare for the show and not much time left. > you can get a directory but usually not until you > arrive > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 08:13:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31310; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:11:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:11:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c2b0cd$ef643020$355e4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: [looper's] production fretless guitar Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:10:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Now that I think about it, the comment I heard was NOT about nylon > vs. steel strings but about RMC vs. magnetic pickups! It seemed > reasonable to me at the time, because I'd expect piezos to pick up > more of the spectral complexity of the attack (harder to analyze) > whereas a magnetic pickup would reproduce the sustain portion more > cleanly. Any pickup gurus have an opinion. I don't know how long ago it was that you tried it, but I gather that Richard has worked on an EQ/buffer thingie to get rid of the harmonics that might interfere with the signal - I interviewed Alain Caron about this years ago, and he was smitten by it for his Yamaha/Axxon system - he said the analogue sound of it with the buffer on was horrible :o) cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 09:35:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03903; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:32:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:32:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <11c.1c9c57fd.2b430460@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:32:00 EST Subject: Re: glissentar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id JAA03882 Resent-Message-ID: <4bCKHD.A.58.HqaE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com personally, i don't much care for the glissentar; in the prototyping and early production stages, the instrument used very low-quality tuners and a compensated bridge --- which seemed very 'not right', to me. additionally, the guitar scale-length and lack of resonance/solid neck make the instrument feel a bit like a 'neither-fish-nor-fowl' marriage between a fretless bass and a very weak oud: obviously, it's not my cup of tea, though -certainly- plenty of other folk seem to like it. (if you do play the glissentar, my suggestions would be: use high-quality tuners, try a non-compensated bridge, experiment w/string gauges and materials on the upper strings). i'll stick with the oud; in fact, i'm looking forward to receiving a 6-course 60cm bashir oud from master luthier yaroub mohammed fadel, in late february. also, in contradistinction to what wayne w.j. stated about the glissentar: it's my clear impression that the glissentar was not robert godin's idea; it was intitiated & executed by montréal luthier mario beauregard. mario was then chief guitar-luthier at godin; he left the company --- after many years, there --- just as the glissentar was being released. wayne w.j. said, in relation to the single low-string on the glissentar: > I believe Godin went this route to avoid buzzing on the bass string. this may be the case, but ---having been involved in the prototyping of the glissentar, myself--- i believe it's more likely that mario was attempting to emulate the historical profile of the oud, which almost always has a single low-end 'drone'-type string, sometimes called the 'dumm', i think. re: fretless gtr-players, i'd at least suggest: dave 'fuse' fiuczynski (usa) marc ducret (fr) and, for looping oudists, i highly recommend (especially live): dhafer youssef (tun/fr) ..... add'ly, i've been looping the oud for about 4-5 (?) yrs, myself..... regards, dt / splattercell currently working on: films: the sin eater (as composer) recordings: new splattercell recently completed: films: adaptation, simone, heist, the rookie, traffic, etc recordings: david bowie, tori amos, tim berne (as producer), mick karn (as re-mixer), the living jarboe, mantra girl, etc upcoming: recordings: jeff beck, tim berne (as producer) http://www.splattercell.com http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn member: Guitar Player Magazine Artist Advisory Board From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 09:40:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04494; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:37:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:37:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c2b0d9$eb3f9640$355e4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <11c.1c9c57fd.2b430460@aol.com> Subject: Re: glissentar Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:35:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > re: fretless gtr-players, i'd at least suggest: > dave 'fuse' fiuczynski (usa) > marc ducret (fr) I'll second both of those and add Franck Vigroux (I've played in quartet, trio and duo formats with Franck - sometimes he's brilliant, sometimes he loses me, but well worth listening to - there's a link to his site from mine, can't remember the URL right now...) Ned Evett (much more 'pop' than any of the above, currently Satriani's support act of choice, playing an acoustic Fernandes with a glass fretless fingerboard and a sustainer circuit!! Loops live with a DL4. Is very good) www.nedevett.com cheers! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 09:58:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05942; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:55:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:55:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:55:57 -0500 Subject: feckless fretless Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <008101c2b0d9$eb3f9640$355e4ed5@bigboy> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i know this is a topic that gets recylced every year or so, but i have a great fretless nylon string made by Rick Turner that plays and sounds great. it is true that the 6 string is in danger of sounding like a fretless bass, but that has more to do with the phrasing than the instrument (although the sustain makes it more tempting i guess) an oud's an oud and a fretless nylon string guitar is ....well, you can do the math... On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 09:35 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: >> re: fretless gtr-players, i'd at least suggest: >> dave 'fuse' fiuczynski (usa) >> marc ducret (fr) > > I'll second both of those and add > > Franck Vigroux (I've played in quartet, trio and duo formats with > Franck - > sometimes he's brilliant, sometimes he loses me, but well worth > listening > to - there's a link to his site from mine, can't remember the URL right > now...) > > Ned Evett (much more 'pop' than any of the above, currently Satriani's > support act of choice, playing an acoustic Fernandes with a glass > fretless > fingerboard and a sustainer circuit!! Loops live with a DL4. Is very > good) > > www.nedevett.com > > cheers! > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 10:35:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09616; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:34:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:34:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <14.5fca34e.2b4312fc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:34:20 EST Subject: Re: glissentar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14.5fca34e.2b4312fc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_14.5fca34e.2b4312fc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/31/2002 7:33:38 AM Mountain Standard Time,=20 Hedewa7@aol.com writes: > also, in contradistinction to what wayne w.j. stated about the glissentar: > it's my clear impression that the glissentar was not robert godin's idea; > it was intitiated &executed by montr=E9al luthier mario beauregard. > mario was then chief guitar-luthier at godin; > he left the company --- after many years, there --- just as the glissentar= =20 > was being released. >=20 > wayne w.j. said, in relation to the single low-string on the glissentar: >=20 > >I believe Godin went this route to avoid buzzing on the bass string. >=20 > this may be the case, but ---having been involved in the prototyping of th= e=20 >=20 > glissentar, myself--- i believe it's more likely that mario was attempting= =20 > to=20 > emulate the historical profile of the oud, which almost always has a singl= e=20 >=20 > low-end 'drone'-type string, sometimes called the 'dumm', i think. >=20 This is very interesting....thanks for the feedback. I only had what Robert= =20 Godin shared with me, to go by. I didn't know about Mario. I have been to=20 the factory, and do have one of the early models. Your suggestions are=20 helpful, indeed. Thanks. WWJ --part1_14.5fca34e.2b4312fc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/31/2002 7:33:38 AM Mount= ain Standard Time, Hedewa7@aol.com writes:

also, in contradistinction to what wayne w.j. stated about=20= the glissentar:
it's my clear impression that the glissentar was not robert godin's idea; it was intitiated &executed by montr=E9al luthier mario beauregard.
mario was then chief guitar-luthier at godin;
he left the company --- after many years, there --- just as the glissentar <= BR> was being released.

wayne w.j. said, in relation to the single low-string on the glissentar:

>I believe Godin went this route to avoid buzzing on the bass string.

this may be the case, but ---having been involved in the prototyping of the=20=
glissentar, myself--- i believe it's more likely that mario was attempting t= o
emulate the historical profile of the oud, which almost always has a single=20=
low-end 'drone'-type string, sometimes called the 'dumm', i think.


This is very interesting....thanks for the feedback.  I only had what R= obert Godin shared with me, to go by.  I didn't know about Mario. = I have been to the factory, and do have one of the early models.  Your= suggestions are helpful, indeed.

Thanks.  WWJ
--part1_14.5fca34e.2b4312fc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 10:44:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10128; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:44:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:44:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <1ab.e88e6a6.2b4314fb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:42:51 EST Subject: Re: glissentar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wwj, >This is very interesting....thanks for the feedback. I only had what Robert >Godin shared with me, to go by. I didn't know about Mario. I have been >to >the factory, and do have one of the early models. Your suggestions are >helpful, indeed. yer welcome! for more information on the oud, you may wanna start here: http://www.kairarecords.com/OudPage/Oud.htm best, dt /s-c currently working on: films: the sin eater (as composer) recordings: new splattercell recently completed: films: adaptation, simone, heist, the rookie, traffic, etc recordings: david bowie, tori amos, tim berne (as producer), mick karn (as re-mixer), the living jarboe, mantra girl, etc upcoming: recordings: jeff beck, tim berne (as producer) http://www.splattercell.com http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn member: Guitar Player Magazine Artist Advisory Board From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 11:34:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14059; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:31:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:31:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <192.132e238f.2b432007@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:29:59 EST Subject: Re: Ud To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_192.132e238f.2b432007_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_192.132e238f.2b432007_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/31/2002 8:44:47 AM Mountain Standard Time, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: > for more information on the oud, you may wanna start here: > http://www.kairarecords.com/OudPage/Oud.htm > Gee thanks for the tip....It looks like a good site. Regards, WWJ --part1_192.132e238f.2b432007_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/31/2002 8:44:47 AM Mountain Standard Time, Hedewa7@aol.com writes:

for more information on the oud, you may wanna start here:
http://www.kairarecords.com/OudPage/Oud.htm


Gee thanks for the tip....It looks like a good site.

Regards, WWJ
--part1_192.132e238f.2b432007_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 11:56:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16327; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:55:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:55:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:59:14 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: MIDI guitar (was production fretless guitar) In-reply-to: <005901c2b0cd$ef643020$355e4ed5@bigboy> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <005901c2b0cd$ef643020$355e4ed5@bigboy> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:10 PM +0000 12/31/02, Steve Lawson wrote: >I don't know how long ago it was that you tried it, but I gather that >Richard has worked on an EQ/buffer thingie to get rid of the harmonics that >might interfere with the signal - I interviewed Alain Caron about this years >ago, and he was smitten by it for his Yamaha/Axxon system - he said the >analogue sound of it with the buffer on was horrible :o) The only time I tried an RMC system was over three years ago. It was a Godin nylon string model (don't remember which one) driving a Roland VG-8. It sounded fine to me. I don't remember now where I heard the complaints about poor performance with RMC pickups and the VG, but it was probably a posting on the VG list. As I mentioned, my own system consists of a Roland-ready Strat, Roland VG-8, Roland GR-30, and a Yamaha G50. Tracking is pretty good with this system, especially with the VG which uses the audio signal directly rather than converting to MIDI. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 12:08:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18632; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:08:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:08:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:08:07 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Votes of Cure Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi my friends! I did not follow your conversation for a while. Me and my companheira escaped from death by very little while playing in the sand at a steep beach. I had just left the place when a whole mountain of sand stone came down and by some miracle did not burry her but launched her about 20m away and only left her with a broken leg and some smaller insures and a trauma. So I was dealing with Brasilian health system and wheel chairs and learned what it means to care for someone full time. Its all going to be fine again. I also made live looping music in a clinic for some older depressive patients and felt it was serious, useful work I want to develop more. We also had a magic tea ritual that makes me wish for all of us: Our music has a huge curing potential for a world that urgently needs it! Its a long way without screaming success but little steps of evolution that brings us true gratitude and happiness. First we cure ourselves by looping back what we put out. Then when we find the equilibrium and technique to play relaxed and "in tune", we can use the good vibes to cure others and finally the wave will spread in space, since distance is not a limitation for such energy. Sure I wish you can learn and profit from all the tools and functions that we created with big effort and help of many of you... ...but I wish much more that you become aware of the magic power of music and find ways to turn it useful for yourself and other and help to cure the world! love and light Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 13:00:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22477; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:59:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:59:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c2b0f6$910284e0$0a01a8c0@urso> From: "Daniel Pezzotti" To: References: Subject: Re: Votes of Cure Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:00:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *****Happy New Year to everybody from the list from Zurich, Switzerland!****** P.S. especialmente para voce Matthias: muito lindo as suas palavras! A musica que mantem a gente ter esperança! Feliz ano novo!! Daniel Pezzotti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 6:08 PM Subject: Votes of Cure Hi my friends! I did not follow your conversation for a while. Me and my companheira escaped from death by very little while playing in the sand at a steep beach. I had just left the place when a whole mountain of sand stone came down and by some miracle did not burry her but launched her about 20m away and only left her with a broken leg and some smaller insures and a trauma. So I was dealing with Brasilian health system and wheel chairs and learned what it means to care for someone full time. Its all going to be fine again. I also made live looping music in a clinic for some older depressive patients and felt it was serious, useful work I want to develop more. We also had a magic tea ritual that makes me wish for all of us: Our music has a huge curing potential for a world that urgently needs it! Its a long way without screaming success but little steps of evolution that brings us true gratitude and happiness. First we cure ourselves by looping back what we put out. Then when we find the equilibrium and technique to play relaxed and "in tune", we can use the good vibes to cure others and finally the wave will spread in space, since distance is not a limitation for such energy. Sure I wish you can learn and profit from all the tools and functions that we created with big effort and help of many of you... ...but I wish much more that you become aware of the magic power of music and find ways to turn it useful for yourself and other and help to cure the world! love and light Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 13:23:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23736; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:21:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:21:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c2b0f9$dbabf460$9035fea9@manecofl9t5bcf> From: "Maneco" To: References: Subject: Re: Votes of Cure Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:24:19 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mathias, um abraÇo de Maneco de Uruguay, felis 2003,um pronto melhoramento para sua companheira. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 13:53:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24999; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:46:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:46:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: gear for sale Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:46:28 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Votes of Cure Thread-Index: AcKw+ZG3Ymr0ZZIiQJaMzclGzDqWSQADXHww From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2002 18:46:28.0514 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDA64820:01C2B0FC] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA24978 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I was going to post the following on ebay but thought I would give people on the list first chance. I can only accept paypal for these items as I am in need of funds quickly. Prices include shippping unless noted and are for US only. Ok,email me if you have questions about specific item or paypal me (even better): 1)Lexicon Jamman with footswitch- 1 rackspace looping processor.Excellent condition- $500.00 +$10s/h 2)Marshall JCM30 1x12" all tube 2 ch. combo amp with footswitch, reverb, EQ,F/X loop, vintage celestion/marshall12"in,unreal sound, clean and and lead ch. lead ch sounds like jcm800 only smoother but still has that bitting sound. Lots of gain,newly retubed-$500+$30s/h 3)zoom rythmntrack 234 drum machinew/ac adapter- lots of presets,bass track and 2 drum tracks, sounds fairly realistic -$100.00+$10s/h 4)Fender dg-5 6 string acoustic guitar with gig bag- nice sound,excellent condition, could use action setup -$200.00+$20s/h 5)Derick Rush electric guitar with hardshell case- formerly a Fender squire strat, redone by luthier derek rush, includes, 2 humbuckers,1 seymour duncan jb and 1 59' PAF, 1 tone 1 volume, 3 way switch, maple neck, kahler locking tremolo and locking tuners, color black with white pickguard. Was my backup guitar, great strat type tones and great neck pickup tone as well, only gripe was high e string would slip off the bridge when bent or played real hard, but then again I am hard on guitars, looks good cosmetically.Headstock has RUSH Guitars logo as he dressed the neck as well.-$350.00+$20.00s/h 6)collapsible 5 guitar stand -padded stand,great for gigs $45+$7.00s/h 7)Nady wireless ear monitors and reciever- used,but never used by me anyway-$100.00 +$5.00 s/h 8)sliding rack shelf - really heavy duty ball bearing sliding rack shelf, heavy duty, can hold 150 pounds plus - $45.00+$15s/h 9)Pr.of alesis monitor ones and Alesis ra-100 power amp- $375.00+$25.00 s/h 10)4 peavey speaker/amp stands- heavy duty angled speaker amp stands,collapsible, wont seperate,heavy duty,can handle heavy amps-$150.00+$10.00s/h 11)IBM Thinkpad 380ED Laptop-:pentium166mhz processor,win98, 3gig hd,49mb ram,CD,floppy,56kmodem, color active matrix screen, includes case-NICE!! not the fastest around but it is in excellent shape and is solid!!may need new battery but comes with ac adapter -$450.00+$20s/h 12)Compaq Presarrio 1230 laptop-:AMD 233mhz processor,win98,64mb ram,6gig hd,touchpad,cd,jbl speakers built in,floppy,56k modem,color active matrix screen,includes nice targus case, -may need new battery,but comes with ac adapter,$575.00+$20s/h 13)AMEK Tac Scorpion analog 38x8x2 38 ch. mixing console with Acopyian power supply,6ft long, 4 mic pre's,nice console, shipping is outrageous though,cost me $500 to get it shipped to me,nice warm tone,awesome eq's,-$2000.00+buyer arranges and pays for shipping well, I have some other items,but for now that's all. Prices are what I would like for items, most are fixed,though shoot me an offer if you like. Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe paypal:dtaaffe@indiana.edu http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 14:06:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27341; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:06:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:06:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c2b0ff$73fe7440$355e4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: new loopalicious MP3 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:04:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Happy New Year, loopsters, and to celebrate, I've just uploaded a new MP3 - it's me, looping, with a keyboardist called Patrick Wood, who's very good (not looping here) - it's a version of 'Highway 1' from my new album, or at least it starts as that, and is unrecognisable by the end... it's on the MP3 page on my site - enjoy... cheers! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (MP3s california gig dates) www.stevelawson.net (extra front door) www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (CD sales and info) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other solo bassists) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (more sales, cheaper for those in the US...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 14:32:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28771; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:32:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:32:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c2b103$15db3160$355e4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: Gemm.com - experiences? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:30:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I recently started selling my CDs through GEMM.COM - it seems like a great system - anyone else doing it? The deal is way better than Amazon (and unlike amazon.com they take sellers from outside the US), and their database is huge... Anyone got any experiences selling or buying through them? my page there is http://www.pmrecords.gemm.com - if you want to see what you get... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk www.stevelawson.net www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk www.solobassnetwork.org.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 14:53:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29705; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:52:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:52:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "marcus rojo" To: Subject: RE: new loopalicious MP3 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:05:52 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c2b108$061fd780$824d3c04@dslverizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006101c2b0ff$73fe7440$355e4ed5@bigboy> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out002.verizon.net from [4.60.77.130] at Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:52:17 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Steve, I just had my first taste of Steve Lawson, Regretting the Rainbow from your site. It's very beautiful. Is that solo bass? I'm in the process of downloading Highway 1 as I write. I will try very hard to be at the Anaheim gig. Thanks for beautiful music! Marcus -----Original Message----- From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:05 AM To: Loop List Subject: new loopalicious MP3 Happy New Year, loopsters, and to celebrate, I've just uploaded a new MP3 - it's me, looping, with a keyboardist called Patrick Wood, who's very good (not looping here) - it's a version of 'Highway 1' from my new album, or at least it starts as that, and is unrecognisable by the end... it's on the MP3 page on my site - enjoy... cheers! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (MP3s california gig dates) www.stevelawson.net (extra front door) www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (CD sales and info) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other solo bassists) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (more sales, cheaper for those in the US...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 15:04:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31544; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:03:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:03:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008201c2b107$750a6c60$355e4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <000001c2b108$061fd780$824d3c04@dslverizon.net> Subject: Re: new loopalicious MP3 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:01:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <4eTMVD.A.ysH.VgfE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I just had my first taste of Steve Lawson, Regretting the Rainbow from your > site. It's very beautiful. Is that solo bass? I'm in the process of > downloading Highway 1 as I write. I will try very hard to be at the Anaheim > gig. Thanks for beautiful music! Thanks Marcus! I'm really glad you like it! Yup, it is solo bass - a Modulus 4 string, looped with my EDP... let me know what you think of the rest of the tunes there... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk www.stevelawson.net www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk www.pmrecords.gemm.com www.solobassnetwork.org.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 15:09:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31819; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:08:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:08:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c2b108$4fdcf290$cad162d8@allindlaw> Reply-To: "doug @ jump/cut" From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: , "Loop List" References: <007001c2b103$15db3160$355e4ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: Gemm.com - experiences? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:07:55 -0800 Organization: http://www.jumpcut.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Anyone got any experiences >> selling or buying through them? I've bought a 40-50 of hard-to-find and out-of-print CDs from their system over the last 3-4 years ... no problems to report. I've always viewed them as a business-to-consumer marketplace where you are hooked up with sellers through their self-service database for vendors, so your experience may vary based on the vendor you get hooked up with (which is a little different than Amazon I think). It's pretty nice that they affer the fullfillment information and vendor experience ratings. I've had no problems with overseas vendors either ... most usually keep in touch on order status via e-mail. The gemm.com web site has a lot to be desired from a design and usability perspective, but it does what it's suppose to, so I'd give them a thumbs up. I didn't realize that they offered services for more independent artists and labels since it's typically stores I've dealt with ... I'll have to check that out. I was planning on using CDBaby or Homegrown Music. If you are selling CDs using gemm.com, are you packing/shipping them yourself? If so, I wonder how this would compare to using PayPal directly on your own hosted site in terms of cost. Also, how do they transfer payment to you for goods sold? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 15:24:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32407; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:22:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:22:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009d01c2b10a$24f01ba0$355e4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" References: <007001c2b103$15db3160$355e4ed5@bigboy> <005c01c2b108$4fdcf290$cad162d8@allindlaw> Subject: Re: Gemm.com - experiences? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:21:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The gemm.com web site has a lot to be desired from a design and usability > perspective, but it does what it's suppose to, so I'd give them a thumbs up. true - it is an ugly site! :o) > I didn't realize that they offered services for more independent artists and > labels since it's typically stores I've dealt with ... I'll have to check > that out. I was planning on using CDBaby or Homegrown Music. I'd list it at CDBaby as well, if I was you - good site, good search functions etc. > If you are selling CDs using gemm.com, are you packing/shipping them > yourself? If so, I wonder how this would compare to using PayPal directly on > your own hosted site in terms of cost. Also, how do they transfer payment to > you for goods sold? The Gemm deal is pretty good - can remember the specifics but it works out well worth doing - they pay you by cheque I think... Gemm's strength is the size of the site - they don't charge you much cos they don't have to do much, and they REALLY want to have your stuff listed there to make them even bigger than they are (already the biggest CD shop front on the web)... Ideally, I'd go for all the options you can - having a paypal thing on your site makes perfect sense for people who've found your site, but some people might just search for your band on gemm while looking for something else, and then buy it. Or find you by accident or whatever. It doesn't cost anything to have the listing, so it's worth having them all and casting the net as wide as you can. I've got my first two albums up at CD Baby, and will soon have all three avaialable via www.burningshed.com as well, and am still deliberating over www.amazon.co.uk via their marketplace system... It's all about visibility and exposure I guess... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 15:25:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32446; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:23:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:23:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a101c2b10a$4746b240$355e4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <007001c2b103$15db3160$355e4ed5@bigboy> <005c01c2b108$4fdcf290$cad162d8@allindlaw> Subject: Re: Gemm.com - experiences? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:22:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BTW, doug, I downloaded an mp3 or two of yours a while ago - excellent stuff! I look forward to hearing the full album! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 15:27:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32486; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:24:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:24:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <15e.19502670.2b423460@aol.com> References: <15e.19502670.2b423460@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:09:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Kurzweil Expressionmate Midi Controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:44 PM -0500 12/30/02, PRCamann@aol.com wrote: >The price at Musician's Friend is $169.99 (I found the flyer; they >send it in the boxes containing items they ship). You need the item >number and the priority code as quoted by Kevin in his previous >messages; the salespeople can't seem to find it without those >numbers). > >Thanks for the info, Kevin. I ordered one last night and it's on it's way. > >Paul Camann Me too -- even though I've been too busy with work and video to do much music lately. -- " Practice makes perfect. Imperfect is better" -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 17:54:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08578; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:51:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:51:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:38:50 -0500 From: Sempai Subject: Re: Gemm.com - experiences? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004501c2b11f$01d53e10$fe762544@user0jd9dje1rf> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <007001c2b103$15db3160$355e4ed5@bigboy> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice. I'll keep the gemm website for future reference. Sempai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: Gemm.com - experiences? > Hi all, > > I recently started selling my CDs through GEMM.COM - it seems like a great > system - anyone else doing it? The deal is way better than Amazon (and > unlike amazon.com they take sellers from outside the US), and their database > is huge... > > Anyone got any experiences selling or buying through them? > > my page there is http://www.pmrecords.gemm.com - if you want to see what you > get... > > cheers > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > www.stevelawson.net > www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk > www.solobassnetwork.org.uk > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 19:09:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14697; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:08:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:08:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:08:00 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Gemm.com - experiences? Thread-Index: AcKxCppwuAnbZhdRR2Wq5ce1qAuJeQADhYfA From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2003 00:08:01.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[D900F7D0:01C2B129] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA14676 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I have a lexicon jamman for sale with footswitch for $500+$10 shipping.excellent condition. If interested,paypal me at dtaaffe@indiana.edu and send me your email address.Will put on ebay i no interest. Thanks Denis Denis taaffe dtaaffe@indiana.edu htp://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 19:52:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16006; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:49:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:49:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:32:02 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Kurzweil Expressionmate Midi Controller In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <15e.19502670.2b423460@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:09 PM -0500 12/31/02, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: >Me too -- even though I've been too busy with work and video to do >much music lately. Some gizmos are just too hip to pass up if the price is right. I just ordered one myself. Maybe we should have an Expressionfest. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 20:56:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19592; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:55:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:55:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c2b138$f1da5da0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:56:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yikes. Just a friendly heads up - Lexicon Vortices (w/ footswitch) are selling on eBay for $100 - $150 + shipping. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 6:08 PM Subject: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch > Hi, > > I have a lexicon jamman for sale with footswitch for $500+$10 shipping.excellent condition. If interested,paypal me at dtaaffe@indiana.edu and send me your email address.Will put on ebay i no interest. > Thanks > Denis > > Denis taaffe > dtaaffe@indiana.edu > htp://www.dtguitar.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 20:57:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19716; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:57:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:57:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c2b139$221be1a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:57:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1FM04C.A.-zE.0rkE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh goodness. Forgive me! I haven't even started drinking yet! That's a JamPerson. Completely different deal. :) FYI - Vortices ARE selling for $100-$150... LOL Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 6:08 PM Subject: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch > Hi, > > I have a lexicon jamman for sale with footswitch for $500+$10 shipping.excellent condition. If interested,paypal me at dtaaffe@indiana.edu and send me your email address.Will put on ebay i no interest. > Thanks > Denis > > Denis taaffe > dtaaffe@indiana.edu > htp://www.dtguitar.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 22:47:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25398; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:46:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:46:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:46:03 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch Thread-Index: AcKxOTNMVq8os9o7SvOc9HtfWSHUVQAAcZRg From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2003 03:46:04.0227 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F140930:01C2B148] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA25377 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes mr.informative~~~~peavey bandit amps are going for $100 on ebay too....hahah This si the lexion jamman happy holidays!!! Denis 8-) -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 8:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch Oh goodness. Forgive me! I haven't even started drinking yet! That's a JamPerson. Completely different deal. :) FYI - Vortices ARE selling for $100-$150... LOL Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 6:08 PM Subject: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch > Hi, > > I have a lexicon jamman for sale with footswitch for $500+$10 shipping.excellent condition. If interested,paypal me at dtaaffe@indiana.edu and send me your email address.Will put on ebay i no interest. > Thanks > Denis > > Denis taaffe > dtaaffe@indiana.edu > htp://www.dtguitar.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 23:17:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27495; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:16:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:16:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030101041658.8142.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:16:58 -0800 (PST) From: joel b Subject: New year, new member To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1sRXK.A.htG.7umE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy, I've been making use of the LD archives over the past weeks, & I'm finally joining up to make your aquaintance(s) and hopefully make use of your expertise. I've been interested in delays & looping since I bought a Boss SE-50 off a friend 10 years ago. I've been swinging more towards looping technology, which I use in my band, Bete Noire. Based out of Seattle, I'm a working musician (in both senses) and I've recently fallen in love with a new used Vortex. Working on combing it with a RDS 7.6, that SE-50 I still use and others; & I'll be trying to work MIDI controllers into the FX loop/preamp mess soon. Generally I'm not a list user, but this seems to be right up my alley. See you next year! Joel.B __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 23:58:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29170; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:55:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:55:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:54:39 -0800 Subject: Re: New year, new member From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030101041658.8142.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com welcome and lets all say g'bye to the last palendromic(LOOP) year fer awhile s > Howdy, > > I've been making use of the LD archives over the past > weeks, & I'm finally joining up to make your > aquaintance(s) and hopefully make use of your > expertise. > > I've been interested in delays & looping since I > bought a Boss SE-50 off a friend 10 years ago. I've > been swinging more towards looping technology, which I > use in my band, Bete Noire. > > Based out of Seattle, I'm a working musician (in both > senses) and I've recently fallen in love with a new > used Vortex. Working on combing it with a RDS 7.6, > that SE-50 I still use and others; & I'll be trying to > work MIDI controllers into the FX loop/preamp mess > soon. > > Generally I'm not a list user, but this seems to be > right up my alley. > > See you next year! > > Joel.B > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com >