From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 05:42:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E45D3BEE1; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 05:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d0a01c745c3$c1fe5b80$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <296982.12662.qm@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: "TRANSITION" (scott hansen looping cd) // K. HARTUNG's "FRAGMENTS" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:42:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0D07_01C74589.14D5CAE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 05:42:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0D07_01C74589.14D5CAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why, thank you, Scott. I'm listening to your CD now while I work, and = enjoying it. =20 Regarding the title...it's not what you think! Really! :) It all = started after I took a picture of a bunch of baby bottles, nipples, and = bottle feeding paraphernalia scattered in my kitchen sink (shortly = before my turn to wash them)....that was the birth of Fragments. I just = loved the way the morning sunlight reflected off the bottles. Did you = pay close attention to the cover? You'll see some bottles and nipples in = there. You and I seem to have this bizarre music connection around babies. = Remember our song on my looper's collaboration CD Xperimentus, "Dante's = Nursery" with the VST mangled track of my 2-month old twin daughter? = It's your tune, my friend...you have to complete the trilogy. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scott hansen=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: re: "TRANSITION" (scott hansen looping cd) // K. HARTUNG's = "FRAGMENTS" michael K (nemoguitar)- big thanks on the nice plug on my latest cd, glad you enjoyed it.... if anyone is interested in hearing it, please send me an email to: scott.hansen@kirkwood.edu, and i can send you a copy..... should say a big thanks to Krispen H for trading his FRAGMENTS w/ me. some great weird stuff....acoustic, electric, percussion....some = amazing sounds that he created live. haunting stuff, crazy sounds, and pretty all in = one listen... i'm just bummed he stole my title idea for future project, oh well. happy looping, s--- -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. ------=_NextPart_000_0D07_01C74589.14D5CAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Why, thank you, Scott. I'm listening to = your CD now=20 while I work, and enjoying it. 
 
Regarding the title...it's not what you = think! Really! :)  It all started after I took a picture = of a=20 bunch of baby bottles, nipples, and bottle feeding paraphernalia = scattered in my=20 kitchen sink (shortly before my turn to wash them)....that was the birth = of=20 Fragments. I just loved the way the morning sunlight reflected off the = bottles.=20 Did you pay close attention to the cover? You'll see some bottles and = nipples in=20 there.
 
You and I seem to have this bizarre = music=20 connection around babies. Remember our song on my looper's collaboration = CD=20 Xperimentus, "Dante's Nursery" with the VST mangled track of my = 2-month old=20 twin daughter?  It's your tune, my friend...you have to complete = the=20 trilogy.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 scott=20 hansen
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, = 2007 4:58=20 PM
Subject: re: "TRANSITION" = (scott hansen=20 looping cd) // K. HARTUNG's "FRAGMENTS"

michael K (nemoguitar)-
big thanks on the nice plug on my latest cd, glad you enjoyed=20 it....
 
if anyone is interested in hearing it, please send me an email = to:
scott.hansen@kirkwood.edu, = and i can send you a copy.....
 
should say a big thanks to Krispen H for trading his = FRAGMENTS w/=20 me.
some great weird stuff....acoustic, electric, percussion....some = amazing=20 sounds
that he created live. haunting stuff, crazy sounds, and pretty = all in one=20 listen...
 
i'm just bummed he stole my title idea for future project, oh = well.
happy looping,
s---
 
 
 
 


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Try the Yahoo!=20 Mail Beta. ------=_NextPart_000_0D07_01C74589.14D5CAE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 05:45:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B4323BEE8; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 05:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d3701c745c4$229d9e10$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000101c74582$3e718300$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Imogen&Zoe Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:45:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 05:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, and his coffin sized rack weights about five freakin' tons...I remember lifting into Bill Walker's vehicle! He could have fit at least three stowaways in that thing. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:53 PM Subject: AW: Imogen&Zoe >> refused to work, all was absolutely mind blowing. I never saw >> a performer with such a complex setup doing it all by >> herself. At least it didn't feel like there is a bunch of > > To this regard, you gotta see Miro Mantere (who performed at the > y2k6loopfest). His setup includes lots of acoustic instruments (some of > them > self-built) and loads of electronics. Check out the recording of the main > festival gig at y2k6loopfest.com - his strategy is "no synthesizers, no > samplers" btw - everything is played (with the sole exception of an > electric > bass guitar) acoustically. > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 09:07:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 788573BEE7; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 09:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=c1Do9scNNVIomkB6EWrRcJstQvdo4Na1KqnIUpglycGDUjRdDPGT9qeLDluUcfH0b9z7TicEyZSl50LOFdpQN9kYXcnJp1mCLGI0qJWRGpF1VQLw1eRQrSsolEhif/XwY/Vm2YQZksKW/tRocCCu4ogk2RvL+uutuxAj95Qg6WQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45C12A8A.1040502@mhorse.com> References: <45C12A8A.1040502@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4B59C8B0-8238-4785-9EBF-037E8C20B59C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Virutal E-jamming (was: Re: ejamming) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 10:07:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 09:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Related: Another approach. Given the invincible latency on the net I think that Virtual E- jamming is as good, or even in some ways a better way of collaborating. It works as this: Musician A records something while visualizing musician B jamming along. In his playing A needs to respond to his vision of B, even though B isn't there. Then A sends this recording with snail mail to B. Musician B listens, not so much to the actual sound recorded as to the sound NOT recorded - the stuff left out by A. Then B records his response to A's recording and "the stuff left out" (i.e. A's vision of his absent jamming partner responding). I've tried this and it works marvelously! It may even be easier than jamming in the same time, because B's response doesn't have to be the same as A originally envisioned B to do. If B later comes up with playing something differently it is probable that A's mimicked, recorded, response to that will still be musically fitting. For group improvisation I have always been interested in playing "compositions" that do not deal with traditional ways of describing music, as in "notes", "chords" etc. You could in fact write a tune where you use different kinds of vegetables, or whatever, as "notes" are used in a normal charts. Anyway, the fascinating thing here is that interesting music comes out of it as long as everyone involved truly tries to musically interpret whatever he is given. And of course as long as the relations and movements of the symbols used has some sort of meaning. It's not the symbols themselves but the relations between used symbols that makes music when interpreted by humans. I think the instincts at work here are the answer to why Virtual E-jamming actually works so well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) On 1 feb 2007, at 00.47, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Speaking as a very frequent Ninjam user, this is certainly > interesting but I'm somewhat skeptical of the article/marketing. > They put down Ninjam for its delay, yet this app also adds a delay. > And it says peer-to-peer, yet you need to buy a ($15/month) > subscription, so you're not avoiding their servers altogether. I > think Ninjam, with no need for cash to change hands and open source > code, has a more promising life (Os, for example, created a plug-in > on his own from the code making it much more useful for laptop peeps). > > I myself love this: > > *"In Sync. In Real Time.* Or in as close to real time as the laws > of physics allow." > > those pesky laws of physics... > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > >> wired story:> 0,72612-0.html?tw=rss.technology> >> site: > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 11:32:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 749323BEE1; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 11:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 06:30:15 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <45C1CF47.1010705@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 11:32:30 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Max Corbacho from Barcelona. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Resonant Memory of Earth" on Space for Music Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#feb The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Structures from Silence" by Steve Roach on Fortuna Records and released in 1984. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and on the internet. All times are EST / GMT-5. ======================================================================= Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm ======================================================================= Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ======================================================================= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 15:09:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 250AA3BEE0; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 15:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <45C0FB7D.6040403@addcom.de> References: <20070129211918.563853BEEE@arsenic.violacea.com> <002d01c7443e$4b23d890$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <45C0FB7D.6040403@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4CB9CB8A-4993-44C6-9E87-CEB8C5A6319E@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Imogen&Zoe Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 15:08:51 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: 214005d1-b206-11db-8638-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtdY1U4Cld1 UkhJRUJTEQ9oCRYE BVAfWx1sdQVPZn9z ZFhjV3JEXkF4cFl9 DBJVFBsOJD0baGEe VEheOQFSdAsEfB5B alB6AHIQM2cHYGdh RgM5emBvZmUacHwM G1FQIQlNHk0CCAQx FVgjGDIgEEtLdSI+ RyAn X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:536/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 15:09:03 +0000 (UTC) thanks stefan! yes that blasted repeater. wouldn't get any sound at the inputs. we =20 took it apart, pressed the pins in and reloaded the OS. been fine for =20= the last couple shows. both immi's and my repeaters have been extremely badly behaved this =20 tour. one of hers wouldn't respond to any button presses, midi =20 commands or anything (something mine does sometimes too, but i can =20 turn off the power to fix it). you couldn't even load the OS and =20 restarting didn't help. peter toms recommended taking it apart and =20 that worked. CAN YOU HEAR US ELECTRIX?? immi's used her repeaters on letterman and =20= leno and is nominated for 2 grammys this year. PLEASE can't you find =20 it in your hearts to come out with MK2????!! sorry the sound was so bunk. we do actually have an engineer with us =20 who is usually quite amazing. don't know why it got so loud. we can't =20= tell from the stage! anyway. we're in bern today. it really is like a postcard! loop on, zoe On Jan 31, 2007, at 8:26 PM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Michael Peters wrote: >> What a great musician. I hope I can see her perform >> again sometimes, maybe on some looping festival. > > I can confirm this to the highest degree, I've seen both the night =20 > before in Berlin, even though Zo=EB's one repeater refused to work, =20= > all was absolutely mind blowing. I never saw a performer with such =20 > a complex setup doing it all by herself. At least it didn't feel =20 > like there is a bunch of technical geniuses somewhere backstage or =20 > at the desk (on the contrary, the house sound started loud and =20 > pretty good, but at the end it went more and more into bad =20 > distortion, the engineer from the house must have been totally =20 > deaf. I hope that Imogen will build up enough fans to be able to =20 > have her own sound engineer tour with her...) > > Stefan > > --=20 > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 15:53:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4756C3BEE6; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 15:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.129 IN todd.wayne@usa.net uadvg129.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID432LBaP2m3109X03 X-USANET-Auth: 165.212.8.29 AUTO todd.wayne@usa.net cmsweb27.cms.usa.net Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 09:53:18 -0600 From: "Todd Wayne" To: Subject: Re: Imogen&Zoe X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (CM.0402.7.54) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <700LBaP1s0392S27.1170345198@cmsweb27.cms.usa.net> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Z-USANET-MsgId: XID870LBaP2s0351X29 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 15:53:22 +0000 (UTC) This is mai= l from the woman who is touring with Immi in europe. Notice Ms Heap is no= minated for two Grammys. We need to go =3Don the grammy page and see what= for.


------ Original Message ------
Received: Th= u, 01 Feb 2007 09:09:18 AM CST
From: Zoe Keating <cello@zoek= eating.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Su= bject: Re: Imogen&Zoe


thanks stefan!

yes that = blasted repeater. wouldn't get any sound at the inputs. we
took it ap= art, pressed the pins in and reloaded the OS. been fine for
the last = couple shows.
both immi's and my repeaters have been extremely badly = behaved this
tour. one of hers wouldn't respond to any button presses= , midi
commands or anything (something mine does sometimes too, but i= can
turn off the power to fix it). you couldn't even load the OS and=
restarting didn't help. peter toms recommended taking it apart and <= BR>that worked.

CAN YOU HEAR US ELECTRIX?? immi's used her repeat= ers on letterman and
leno and is nominated for 2 grammys this year. P= LEASE can't you find
it in your hearts to come out with MK2????!!
sorry the sound was so bunk. we do actually have an engineer with us=
who is usually quite amazing. don't know why it got so loud. we can'= t
tell from the stage!

anyway. we're in bern today. it really= is like a postcard!

loop on, zoe

On Jan 31, 2007, at 8:2= 6 PM, Stefan Tiedje wrote:

> Michael Peters wrote:
>>= ; What a great musician. I hope I can see her perform
>> again = sometimes, maybe on some looping festival.
>
> I can confir= m this to the highest degree, I've seen both the night
> before in= Berlin, even though Zo=EB's one repeater refused to work,
> all w= as absolutely mind blowing. I never saw a performer with such
> a = complex setup doing it all by herself. At least it didn't feel
> l= ike there is a bunch of technical geniuses somewhere backstage or
>= ; at the desk (on the contrary, the house sound started loud and
>= pretty good, but at the end it went more and more into bad
> dist= ortion, the engineer from the house must have been totally
> deaf.= I hope that Imogen will build up enough fans to be able to
> have= her own sound engineer tour with her...)
>
> Stefan
&g= t;
> --
> Stefan Tiedje------------x-------
> --____= _-----------|--------------
> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()--------------
> ----------()--------www= =2Eccmix.com
>



From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 15:58:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F0943BEE0; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 15:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAE6dwUVKh6J6/2dsb2JhbACeaAEBAQE Message-ID: <008401c74619$eb5213e0$7aa2874a@c1503933a> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <45C12A8A.1040502@mhorse.com> <4B59C8B0-8238-4785-9EBF-037E8C20B59C@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Virutal E-jamming (was: Re: ejamming) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 09:58:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <-FZsG.A.ERH.u4gwFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 15:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Hmm...interesting idea. It would be cool to jam instantly with anyone around the globe, but this will never happen in exact real time because of the laws of physics, as they say. Even if the signal was travelling along the surface at the speed of light (which it is not even close to doing), there would be a 64 ms one-way trip time for people on opposite sides of the earth. I've wondered what ways there are around this. I read somewhere about people jamming, but intentionally playing 1 bar off from each other! I like this longer recording idea, maybe it could be applied to near-real-time. You could do it like looping. You record an entire loop then send the whole thing to the other musician a few seconds later, like a faster version of what you describe. There is some way to do this....sounds like fun Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:07 AM Subject: Virutal E-jamming (was: Re: ejamming) > Related: Another approach. > > Given the invincible latency on the net I think that Virtual E- > jamming is as good, or even in some ways a better way of > collaborating. It works as this: Musician A records something while > visualizing musician B jamming along. In his playing A needs to > respond to his vision of B, even though B isn't there. Then A sends > this recording with snail mail to B. Musician B listens, not so much > to the actual sound recorded as to the sound NOT recorded - the stuff > left out by A. Then B records his response to A's recording and "the > stuff left out" (i.e. A's vision of his absent jamming partner > responding). > > I've tried this and it works marvelously! It may even be easier than > jamming in the same time, because B's response doesn't have to be the > same as A originally envisioned B to do. If B later comes up with > playing something differently it is probable that A's mimicked, > recorded, response to that will still be musically fitting. > > For group improvisation I have always been interested in playing > "compositions" that do not deal with traditional ways of describing > music, as in "notes", "chords" etc. You could in fact write a tune > where you use different kinds of vegetables, or whatever, as "notes" > are used in a normal charts. Anyway, the fascinating thing here is > that interesting music comes out of it as long as everyone involved > truly tries to musically interpret whatever he is given. And of > course as long as the relations and movements of the symbols used has > some sort of meaning. It's not the symbols themselves but the > relations between used symbols that makes music when interpreted by > humans. I think the instincts at work here are the answer to why > Virtual E-jamming actually works so well. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > > > > On 1 feb 2007, at 00.47, Daryl Shawn wrote: > > > Speaking as a very frequent Ninjam user, this is certainly > > interesting but I'm somewhat skeptical of the article/marketing. > > They put down Ninjam for its delay, yet this app also adds a delay. > > And it says peer-to-peer, yet you need to buy a ($15/month) > > subscription, so you're not avoiding their servers altogether. I > > think Ninjam, with no need for cash to change hands and open source > > code, has a more promising life (Os, for example, created a plug-in > > on his own from the code making it much more useful for laptop peeps). > > > > I myself love this: > > > > *"In Sync. In Real Time.* Or in as close to real time as the laws > > of physics allow." > > > > those pesky laws of physics... > > > > Daryl Shawn > > www.swanwelder.com > > > >> wired story: >> 0,72612-0.html?tw=rss.technology> > >> site: > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 16:14:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 971663BEC7; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Imogen&Zoe Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:14:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <700LBaP1s0392S27.1170345198@cmsweb27.cms.usa.net> Thread-Index: AcdGGSV2E8HsDvp2RseXaurDAkG6lAAAn6og X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070201161426.DWYD1343.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:14:31 +0000 (UTC) My dream of good looking loopers is coming true! http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200208/msg01038.html Somebody buy these gals Looperlatives. G PS Amy's cute too ________________________________________ From: Todd Wayne [mailto:todd.wayne@usa.net] This is mail from the woman who is touring with Immi in europe. Notice Ms Heap is nominated for two Grammys. We need to go =on the grammy page and see what for. ------ Original Message ------ Received: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 09:09:18 AM CST From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Imogen&Zoe CAN YOU HEAR US ELECTRIX?? immi's used her repeaters on letterman and leno and is nominated for 2 grammys this year. PLEASE can't you find it in your hearts to come out with MK2????!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 16:23:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54E143BEF4; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070201161426.DWYD1343.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20070201161426.DWYD1343.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <57B35106-0FD1-4324-B96F-2721B39F3D49@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Imogen&Zoe Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:23:15 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: 85c6392a-b210-11db-8638-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtdY1U4Cld1 UkhJRUJTEg9qAhYA AVAfWx1sdQVPZn9z ZFhjV3JEXkF4cFl9 DBJVFBp4EjI+aGYc VEleOQJRdQUEdhoW bFN2ViIQM2cGZmdh RgM5emBvZmUacHwM G1FQIQlNHk0CCAQx FVgjGDIgEEtLdSI+ RyAn X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:536/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:23:19 +0000 (UTC) ha ha!! got a looperlative! haven't quite taken to it yet. more practice needed i expect.... On Feb 1, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > My dream of good looking loopers is coming true! > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200208/msg01038.html > > Somebody buy these gals Looperlatives. > G > PS Amy's cute too > ________________________________________ > From: Todd Wayne [mailto:todd.wayne@usa.net] > > This is mail from the woman who is touring with Immi in europe. > Notice Ms > Heap is nominated for two Grammys. We need to go =on the grammy > page and see > what for. > > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 09:09:18 AM CST > From: Zoe Keating > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Imogen&Zoe > > > > > CAN YOU HEAR US ELECTRIX?? immi's used her repeaters on letterman and > leno and is nominated for 2 grammys this year. PLEASE can't you find > it in your hearts to come out with MK2????!! > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 16:23:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 573CC3BF0E; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <043201c7461d$4f2a8110$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20070129211918.563853BEEE@arsenic.violacea.com> <002d01c7443e$4b23d890$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <45C0FB7D.6040403@addcom.de> <4CB9CB8A-4993-44C6-9E87-CEB8C5A6319E@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: Imogen&Zoe Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:23:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2007 16:23:30.0120 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F43FC80:01C7461D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Your tour doesn't include Rome.....so.... i'm enjoining this video (and music obviously) of a live looping performance by Imogen: just voice, hands clapping and repeater http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSIbfzK2spg Highly raccomended !!! About the Repeater MK2, i've loose my faith about its outcoming and about the company So, why dont' you try Mobius...? In any case, good luck for the other tour dates and remember: next time, come and play in Rome !!! fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zoe Keating" To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: Imogen&Zoe thanks stefan! yes that blasted repeater. wouldn't get any sound at the inputs. we took it apart, pressed the pins in and reloaded the OS. been fine for the last couple shows. both immi's and my repeaters have been extremely badly behaved this tour. one of hers wouldn't respond to any button presses, midi commands or anything (something mine does sometimes too, but i can turn off the power to fix it). you couldn't even load the OS and restarting didn't help. peter toms recommended taking it apart and that worked. CAN YOU HEAR US ELECTRIX?? immi's used her repeaters on letterman and leno and is nominated for 2 grammys this year. PLEASE can't you find it in your hearts to come out with MK2????!! sorry the sound was so bunk. we do actually have an engineer with us who is usually quite amazing. don't know why it got so loud. we can't tell from the stage! anyway. we're in bern today. it really is like a postcard! loop on, zoe On Jan 31, 2007, at 8:26 PM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Michael Peters wrote: >> What a great musician. I hope I can see her perform >> again sometimes, maybe on some looping festival. > > I can confirm this to the highest degree, I've seen both the night before > in Berlin, even though Zoë's one repeater refused to work, all was > absolutely mind blowing. I never saw a performer with such a complex > setup doing it all by herself. At least it didn't feel like there is a > bunch of technical geniuses somewhere backstage or at the desk (on the > contrary, the house sound started loud and pretty good, but at the end it > went more and more into bad distortion, the engineer from the house must > have been totally deaf. I hope that Imogen will build up enough fans to > be able to have her own sound engineer tour with her...) > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.18/662 - Release Date: 31/01/2007 15.16 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 16:30:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65CDC3BEE8; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Imogen&Zoe Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:30:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <57B35106-0FD1-4324-B96F-2721B39F3D49@zoekeating.com> Thread-Index: AcdGHVBiM4S4/XInSyWzpO7UlCxeEwAAL2kg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070201163013.EINC1349.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-g78rD.A.o3.ZWhwFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:30:18 +0000 (UTC) You go, girl! The whole looping world is counting on you--no pressure . . . Can someone please convince my wife that I need a looperlative? G -----Original Message----- From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Imogen&Zoe ha ha!! got a looperlative! haven't quite taken to it yet. more practice needed i expect.... On Feb 1, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > My dream of good looking loopers is coming true! > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200208/msg01038.html > > Somebody buy these gals Looperlatives. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 16:41:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 076FC3BF05; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.13,268,1167638400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="175845623:sNHT156883188" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7461F.BC517164" Subject: "best" s/w looper Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:40:51 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070201162337.A99D23BF0F@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: "best" s/w looper thread-index: AcdGHXIw55MxJl+vQuC1ccWMwiSfHAAAd9Mw From: "Veda, Qua" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2007 16:40:52.0034 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC4B7220:01C7461F] Resent-Message-ID: <-uNYf.A.raB.oghwFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:41:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7461F.BC517164 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 It seems that Mobius has a lot of support from this group, and may be considered the overall best s/w looper. In terms of ease-of-use, quality, flexibility, features, which are the other serious contenders? =20 -Q =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7461F.BC517164 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "best" s/w looper

Hi,   =
It seems that = Mobius  has a lot of support from this group,  and may be = considered the overall best s/w looper.
In terms of = ease-of-use, quality, flexibility, features,  which are the other = serious contenders? 

-Q    

------_=_NextPart_001_01C7461F.BC517164-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 17:11:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55D843BEF5; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:11:25 -0500 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "best" s/w looper Message-ID: <20070201171125.GA363@SillyBoy.zoominternet.net> References: <20070201162337.A99D23BF0F@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:11:32 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 08:40:51AM -0800, Veda, Qua wrote: > > Hi, > It seems that Mobius has a lot of support from this group, and may be > considered the overall best s/w looper. > In terms of ease-of-use, quality, flexibility, features, which are the > other serious contenders? > > -Q Ableton Live I would think be next. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 17:47:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39FB03BEEC; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0dcf01c74629$1608afe0$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: "best" s/w looper Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 10:47:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0DCC_01C745EE.68F26EC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:47:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0DCC_01C745EE.68F26EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "best" s/w looperHere is a start, some not really contenders, but some = good ones: http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Veda, Qua=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: "best" s/w looper Hi, =20 It seems that Mobius has a lot of support from this group, and may = be considered the overall best s/w looper.=20 In terms of ease-of-use, quality, flexibility, features, which are = the other serious contenders? =20 -Q =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0DCC_01C745EE.68F26EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "best" s/w looper
Here is a start, some not really = contenders, but=20 some good ones:
 
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Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Veda, = Qua=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, February 01, = 2007 9:40=20 AM
Subject: "best" s/w = looper


Hi,   =
It seems that Mobius  has a = lot of=20 support from this group,  and may be considered the overall best = s/w=20 looper.
In = terms of=20 ease-of-use, quality, flexibility, features,  which are the other = serious=20 contenders? 

-Q    =20

------=_NextPart_000_0DCC_01C745EE.68F26EC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 18:03:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD8723BEF7; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <4CB9CB8A-4993-44C6-9E87-CEB8C5A6319E@zoekeating.com> Subject: RE: Imogen&Zoe Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:03:24 +0100 Message-ID: <003501c7462b$445ca9d0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4CB9CB8A-4993-44C6-9E87-CEB8C5A6319E@zoekeating.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdGHgalQl88ShB0SVmGeljDNn4elwADNi4A Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:03:29 +0000 (UTC) hi Zoe, > sorry the sound was so bunk. we do actually have an engineer with us > who is usually quite amazing. don't know why it got so loud. the sound in Cologne was quite clear and good :-) but yes, it was quite loud at times (I was directly at the stage between the PA towers so it was bearable for me). Not during the more quiet pieces but Imogen's "rock" piece really shook the house :-) -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 18:15:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4789D3BEEC; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5A2u5mzM0cCs12DitueN4yBV3uucLQXu2A== X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:59:23 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "TRANSITION" (scott hansen looping cd) // K. HARTUNG's "FRAGMENTS" X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J3e18.6377S.6160M" Message-Id: <20070201.095935.760.1300983@webmail60.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:487584366 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.200|webmail60.nyc.untd.com|webmail60.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:15:15 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J3e18.6377S.6160M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain I listened to this last night, Thanks Krispen! some good sounds in ther= e! I am in the process of setting up my computer to record and found in= spiration in many of your sounds! My only wish is for more time to do t= he things I love! = Weg ----__JWM__J3e18.6377S.6160M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

I listened to this last night, Thanks Krispen!  some good = sounds in there!  I am in the process of setting up my computer to = record and found inspiration in many of your sounds!  My only wish = is for more time to do the things I love!

 

Weg

----__JWM__J3e18.6377S.6160M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 18:32:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FB193BEF3; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:32:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45C24069.7000104@imt.net> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:32:57 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "TRANSITION" (scott hansen looping cd) // K. HARTUNG's "FRAGMENTS" References: <20070201.095935.760.1300983@webmail60.nyc.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20070201.095935.760.1300983@webmail60.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:32:56 +0000 (UTC) I need to get a copy of this..been..too...busy! I fixed and sold a keyboard to Scott that he might be using on some of it! :-) Great guy to deal with. -Bob Weg wrote: > I listened to this last night, Thanks Krispen! some good sounds in > there! I am in the process of setting up my computer to record and > found inspiration in many of your sounds! My only wish is for more > time to do the things I love! > > > > Weg > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 19:06:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AEEF3BEEC; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.94) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 1 Feb 2007 19:06:20 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Yon P Mercury" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 03:06:20 +0800 Subject: Re: ANN: Freewheeling Live Looper 0.5.5 Release (Mac OS X / Linux) X-Originating-Ip: 24.82.80.53 X-Originating-Server: ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20070201190620.249DF13EC0@ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Dear Stefan, Per: > The new version 0.5.5 doesn't open on my Mac PPC OS X 10.4.2 (Its a > short flash and it seems to quit immediately without notice), whereas > the 0.5.3 opens fine btw... ... > INIT: Executing: cp /Applications/Musikprogramme/ Live > Performance/FreeWheeling/FreeWheeling.app/Contents/Resources/.fweelin.rc > /Users/ST/.fweelin > cp: > Performance/FreeWheeling/FreeWheeling.app/Contents/Resources/.fweelin.rc: > No such file or directory > cp: Live: No such file or directory > cp: /Applications/Musikprogramme/ is a directory (not copied). The problem is very simple. Freewheeling is trying to copy a file from with= in the application bundle and it is getting befuddled by the spaces in the = filenames. It's an oversight on my part. I will fix it shortly. For now, th= e quick fix is to copy the Freewheeling application to a folder where there= are no spaces in the complete name-- for example, just '/Applications'. St= art from this folder, and you should have no problem. ... > Since Stefan is reporting an issue I'd like to add some more info=20 > to my earlier post. The machine for which I reported that=20 > Freewheeling 0.5.5 is working fine is a Dual G5 with OS 10.4.8.=20 > What you could do, Stefan, is to update your system to see if it=20 > has an effect? Could it really be that Freewheeling doesn't run on=20 > PPC processors? I have not yet tried to run Freewheeling on my PPC=20 > powerbook, but I will do in about a week, since that's my gig=20 > machine. Freewheeling is a universal binary app, so it should run on both platforms.= I don't have a PPC Mac to test, but I'm receiving reports that it works. All the Best, -Mercury =3D Save on Long Distance & Local Calling Live in Canada? Save on calling. Use Vonage Canada to save on local, long d= istance and overseas phone calls. International rates from 4 cents a minute= . Sign up today. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=3D74c6fef87fa9c5eb01919= 4a92b7dfe45 --=20 Powered By Outblaze From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 19:21:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7F933BEE4; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C74636.24B4750F" Subject: Guitar to Miscellaneous Music boxes Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:21:16 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Guitar to Miscellaneous Music boxes Thread-Index: Acb8j3cdzlbaHpF9Q4+WvmTKpjNgqBJpas/g From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2007 19:21:16.0205 (UTC) FILETIME=[24BF65D0:01C74636] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:21:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C74636.24B4750F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Slightly OT but many of you play guitar and some people are experimenting with new ways to make sound to feed loopers. =20 I've been thinking about starting to use a RMC fanout box to split strings into separate signal paths. It occurred to me it might be really interesting to feed each signal to a different small environment, which would resonate and alter the sound. Say, string 1 to a can with a few small bells, string 2 to a metal plate in a box, strings 3 and 4 to a long tube with a flared end, strings 5 and 6 to a 3 ft. high empty water bottle. Each fed by a small speaker, each miked. =20 Surely others have done this. Anyone seen something similar? =20 Thoughts? =20 Hal Dean =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C74636.24B4750F Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Slightly OT but many of you play guitar and = some people=20 are experimenting with new ways to make sound to feed=20 loopers.
 
I've=20 been thinking about starting to use a RMC fanout box to split strings = into=20 separate signal paths. It occurred to me it might be really interesting = to feed=20 each signal to a different small environment, which would resonate and = alter the=20 sound. Say, string 1 to a can with a few small bells, string 2 to = a metal=20 plate in a box, strings 3 and 4 to a long tube with a flared = end, strings 5=20 and  6 to a 3 ft. high empty water bottle. Each fed by a small = speaker, each miked.
 
Surely others have done this. Anyone seen something=20 similar?
 
Thoughts?
 
Hal Dean
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C74636.24B4750F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 19:56:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5EDA3BEEE; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070201135644.0qiwpfq6o8gkokcs@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:56:44 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "best" s/w looper References: <0dcf01c74629$1608afe0$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0dcf01c74629$1608afe0$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Krispen Hartung : > "best" s/w looperHere is a start, some not really contenders, but > some good ones: > > http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm > > Kris Kris, Great link! Very convenient to have descriptions of all this looping software in one place. Thank you. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 22:34:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CBA43BEE4; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 22:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GSP91RT0pP+82rEsnyC9jqNa1098HkfqPiA0+qBmoLaUz4QXqytFWM8nEj0/hAa6qXiP25TiBbraxsKwmsx1cq3JEDMIUotSohqNZR/X7t6sWUzRMjnrAs0TJBPrs4rv0RB8NiNS8G83oisFR8eotPhw4eqYwJZv7Bunio4v9I0= ; Message-ID: <20070201223407.77821.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: uzTDwloVM1mD781Nz8cXWgb5dO6WV4rNsZ0PZ4cr4QigVlAwjKNX4Ab_CkhBqFmvWw-- Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:34:07 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: guitar to misc. To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 22:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, IMMEDIATLY go online and buy a copy of "Handmade Electronic Music" by Nicholas Collins. Your ideas are JUST THE BEGINNIG!!!!! BWAA-HA-HA-HA.. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 22:38:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10EF73BEF4; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 22:38:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=TZCKorVHl///MbjQMVTDB2/oh/xO9y16vDxHNkNzl2AeOhP10DAcye8GOkrOD26DLfWO4m4aUF4YW/LWOgN7oMjqKDpruaqMmyOOrJvOE+Y5nLzjjapcx54VrgoauUco+gbx6/RBuXJOre6Q+cxXxv7z2DnmNyDyS/kwQHj+N3o=; X-YMail-OSG: cSUby1AVM1nVwbRAgBQ5nnKF57g3KgBIKYIOy8GY0gBIH2YmnyO6uIf9VSkZNgzL0KUEGPL7_aehFQA8_ZsOnf3XK9QUWe5qF683CM7k44FKXC0sO64- Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:38:09 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: guitars to misc. To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <596617.85977.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 22:38:11 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, It's stuff like this, and the book "Electronic Music Circuits" by Barry Klien that have me starting to construct a 96 or 64 stage analog sequencer. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 00:31:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC1DA3BEDB; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 00:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45C2867C.7070705@adelphia.net> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:31:56 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ejamming References: <45C12A8A.1040502@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <45C12A8A.1040502@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 00:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Daryl Shawn wrote: > Speaking as a very frequent Ninjam user, this is certainly interesting > but I'm somewhat skeptical of the article/marketing. They put down > Ninjam for its delay, yet this app also adds a delay. And it says > peer-to-peer, yet you need to buy a ($15/month) subscription, so you're > not avoiding their servers altogether. I think Ninjam, with no need for > cash to change hands and open source code, has a more promising life > (Os, for example, created a plug-in on his own from the code making it > much more useful for laptop peeps). And this is marvelous: "you hear your instrument when you receive the notes played by the other musicians in your jam." How *do* they manage to keep the sounds from my saxes from reaching my ears until the remote contributions arrive? Sounds like Nobel-level work for sure. Oh, wait. This is MIDI-only; no audio. Read the instrument requirements. Even better, it requires General MIDI. So all of you who have spent years or decades developing a unique tonal palette...surprise! You've been mapped to whatever GM instruments your bandmates are using. Think I'll give this one a pass. > I myself love this: > > *"In Sync. In Real Time.* Or in as close to real time as the laws of > physics allow." > > those pesky laws of physics... "Damn you, causality! Damn you!" Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 01:13:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBA713BEE7; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 01:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00bc01c74667$61b1b340$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Imogen&Zoe Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:13:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 01:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Krispen wrote about Miro's rack case: "Yeah, and his coffin sized rack weights about five freakin' tons...I remember lifting into Bill Walker's vehicle! He could have fit at least three stowaways in that thing." I should say that Miro's incredibly moving set more than made up for the hassle of getting his gear around. It was really beautiful and we were incredibly priviliged to have him come all the way from Finland to play. That acknowledgement being said and done: I was so unprepared for the size of that monstrous case that I tore the hell out of the back of my dad's SUV trying to get it in the last time. I was so afraid to tell Dad that I had damaged his car and was sure he was going to be livid with me. He astonished me by saying, "Ahhh, Rick, this would be too costly to repair and noone sees the interior of the back of this car anyway, don't worry about it at all. Let's just leave it." It was such a stressful week that I almost started crying when he forgave it so effortlessly, but that's the kind of man he was. Not many know but generously supplied transportation for every single past live looping festival............letting me save money by letting me rent a cheesy cheap assed rental car and then allowing me to trade it for his beautiful big SUV for a week and a half so I could get everyone and their gear to the airport and back those many times. I'm sure going to miss him and his amazing generosity and support for all of us. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 01:15:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D1883BEE7; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 01:15:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.94) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 2 Feb 2007 01:15:24 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Yon P Mercury" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 09:15:23 +0800 Subject: Re: ANN: Freewheeling Live Looper 0.5.5 Release (Mac OS X / Linux) X-Originating-Ip: 24.82.80.53 X-Originating-Server: ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20070202011524.2C27613EC0@ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 01:15:27 +0000 (UTC) Dear Stefan, The install issue you were having (below) is now fixed. Please download the new DMG from the website: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3D127660&package_id= =3D139785 *** Also, I uploaded some new mixes and sample packs from my sessions with Free= wheeling.=20 Folks can check them out at: http://ccmixter.net/media/people/jpmercury There's also some improvised music made in Freewheeling on my music blog @ http://people.tribe.net/jpmercury Cheers, -Mercury > INIT: Executing: cp /Applications/Musikprogramme/ Live > Performance/FreeWheeling/FreeWheeling.app/Contents/Resources/.fweelin.rc > /Users/ST/.fweelin > cp: > Performance/FreeWheeling/FreeWheeling.app/Contents/Resources/.fweelin.rc: > No such file or directory > cp: Live: No such file or directory > cp: /Applications/Musikprogramme/ is a directory (not copied). > Reading new config... > INIT: ERROR: Config in install dir is not up to date! > Did you run 'make install'? > jack main caught signal 3 > no message buffer overruns =3D Save on Long Distance & Local Calling Live in Canada? Save on calling. Use Vonage Canada to save on local, long d= istance and overseas phone calls. International rates from 4 cents a minute= . Sign up today. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=3D6dbfb18501e9ec6427f51= 68aff61b713 --=20 Powered By Outblaze From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 06:13:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3489C3BEE1; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 06:13:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1170348565.45c21a15c8fff@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 10:49:25 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Virutal E-jamming (was: Re: ejamming) References: <45C12A8A.1040502@mhorse.com> <4B59C8B0-8238-4785-9EBF-037E8C20B59C@gmail.com> <008401c74619$eb5213e0$7aa2874a@c1503933a> In-Reply-To: <008401c74619$eb5213e0$7aa2874a@c1503933a> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 71.198.6.5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 06:13:12 +0000 (UTC) Mark, You've pretty much described what NINJAM does.. :) peace -cpr Quoting Mark Smart : > Hmm...interesting idea. It would be cool to jam instantly with anyone around > the > globe, but this will never happen in exact real time because of the laws of > physics, as they say. Even if the signal was travelling along the surface at > the > speed of light (which it is not even close to doing), there would be a 64 ms > one-way trip time for people on opposite sides of the earth. > > I've wondered what ways there are around this. I read somewhere about people > jamming, but intentionally playing 1 bar off from each other! I like this > longer > recording idea, maybe it could be applied to near-real-time. You could do it > like looping. You record an entire loop then send the whole thing to the > other > musician a few seconds later, like a faster version of what you describe. > There > is some way to do this....sounds like fun > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:07 AM > Subject: Virutal E-jamming (was: Re: ejamming) > > > > Related: Another approach. > > > > Given the invincible latency on the net I think that Virtual E- > > jamming is as good, or even in some ways a better way of > > collaborating. It works as this: Musician A records something while > > visualizing musician B jamming along. In his playing A needs to > > respond to his vision of B, even though B isn't there. Then A sends > > this recording with snail mail to B. Musician B listens, not so much > > to the actual sound recorded as to the sound NOT recorded - the stuff > > left out by A. Then B records his response to A's recording and "the > > stuff left out" (i.e. A's vision of his absent jamming partner > > responding). > > > > I've tried this and it works marvelously! It may even be easier than > > jamming in the same time, because B's response doesn't have to be the > > same as A originally envisioned B to do. If B later comes up with > > playing something differently it is probable that A's mimicked, > > recorded, response to that will still be musically fitting. > > > > For group improvisation I have always been interested in playing > > "compositions" that do not deal with traditional ways of describing > > music, as in "notes", "chords" etc. You could in fact write a tune > > where you use different kinds of vegetables, or whatever, as "notes" > > are used in a normal charts. Anyway, the fascinating thing here is > > that interesting music comes out of it as long as everyone involved > > truly tries to musically interpret whatever he is given. And of > > course as long as the relations and movements of the symbols used has > > some sort of meaning. It's not the symbols themselves but the > > relations between used symbols that makes music when interpreted by > > humans. I think the instincts at work here are the answer to why > > Virtual E-jamming actually works so well. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > > > > > > > > > On 1 feb 2007, at 00.47, Daryl Shawn wrote: > > > > > Speaking as a very frequent Ninjam user, this is certainly > > > interesting but I'm somewhat skeptical of the article/marketing. > > > They put down Ninjam for its delay, yet this app also adds a delay. > > > And it says peer-to-peer, yet you need to buy a ($15/month) > > > subscription, so you're not avoiding their servers altogether. I > > > think Ninjam, with no need for cash to change hands and open source > > > code, has a more promising life (Os, for example, created a plug-in > > > on his own from the code making it much more useful for laptop peeps). > > > > > > I myself love this: > > > > > > *"In Sync. In Real Time.* Or in as close to real time as the laws > > > of physics allow." > > > > > > those pesky laws of physics... > > > > > > Daryl Shawn > > > www.swanwelder.com > > > > > >> wired story: > >> 0,72612-0.html?tw=rss.technology> > > >> site: > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 13:00:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 273303BECC; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:00:29 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <00f501c73ae2$61733ab0$6501a8c0@embryo> Message-ID: <20070202130029.266590@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <55e79c0d0701021739t15f7cd66if9fa9aa7bcc85aa@mail.gmail.com> <55e79c0d0701030712i55b1036ah31731257b278288e@mail.gmail.com> <004a01c72f67$d7407090$6501a8c0@embryo> <20070118090415.189680@gmx.net> <00f501c73ae2$61733ab0$6501a8c0@embryo> Subject: RC50 delicate footwork (was MIXED MODE) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <348QPB.A.zjG.vXzwFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi Randolf > thanks for the great workaround idea! > would be very interested to learn more from you how you execute your > "delicate footwork" technique to get around the simulated mix mode. :) Sure. The idea is to be in MULTI MODE but still switch between PHRASE1/2 as if you would be in SINGLE MODE. So, i.e. PHRASE3 plays ryhthm and you switch between PHRASE1/2 just like between song parts A/B on a Boomerang. First of all, I didn't get the Boss/Roland foot switches but others (I believe Fatar) that have a softer/faster touch. I guess it is hard to press down two Boss pedals almost at the same time. Basically, you need 2 footswitches, where you assign PHRASE1/2 START/STOP. Then, you need to basically practice the "delicate footswitching" just like any other instrument you would practice. Let's say you play PHRASE1. So when you press both pedals at the same time, tehoretically PHRASE1 stops and PHRASE2 starts (and vice versa). Of course, in practical terms, you mostly get a mess. So what I do is this: (while PHRASE1 is playing), my foot makes a "sideways rolling" movement, first touching PHRASE2 pedal (now also PHRASE2 starts playing), then with very very slight delay touches the PHRASE1 pedal (PHRASE1 stops). It really took me several evenings of praticing for timing and accuracy. (Last thing you want to have on a gig is messing up your phrases or timing.) First, it is frustrating, but definitely worth it. Because then you can do sweet things like multiply, bouncing and so on. It really brings the RC-50 to another level!! Have fun trying Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 13:06:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 494793BEDD; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 08:04:37 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Monthly Top 20 Report for January, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <45C336E5.3090702@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:06:23 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/top20jan.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for January, 2007. Shows #510 to #513; 4-January-2007 to 25-January-2007 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Ben Neill - Green Machine - Astralwerks Ben Neill - Triptycal - Antilles Copal River - Copal River - Blue Water Frank Van Bogaert - Nomads - Groove Franziska Baumann - Eternal Ice Melts - Soleilmoon Ian Boddy - Elemental - DiN John Lyell - Dimensions - none Klaus Schulze - Angst - Revisited Klaus Schulze - Cyborg disc 1 - Revisited Klaus Schulze - Cyborg disc 2 - Revisited Klaus Schulze - Irrlicht - Revisited Lustmord - The Place Where the Black Stars Hang - Soleilmoon Mark Jenkins - This Island Earth - Ricochet Dream/AMP Numina - Sanctuary of Dreams - Hypnos Ololiuqui - Other Side of Odra - Ricochet Dream Redshift - Redshift Wild 2 - Distant Sun Redshift - Toll - Distant Sun Rudy Adrian - MoonWater - Lotuspike The Nazgul - The Nazgul - Psi-fi Various Artists - Analogy Vol. 2 - Groove Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 13:45:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E5B33BEDB; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 08:43:55 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #514 for February 1, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <45C3401B.7010007@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:45:40 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/070201.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #514 February 1, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Max Corbacho. The Featured CD at Midnight was "The Resonant Memory of Earth" on Space for Music Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Structures from Silence" by Steve Roach on Fortuna Records and released in 1984. Max Corbacho: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#feb PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Steve Roach Reflections in Structures from Silence Suspension (Fortuna) John Duval Hell's Canyon Hell's Canyon (Hypnos/Binary) IXOHOXI Forest Apparition Somnabulae (MP3.COM) John Lakveet gog-ocre Proportions (Groove) Fanger & Schonwalder Liquid Tape 6 Analog Overdose: The Ricochet Dream Edition (Ricochet Dream) Fanger & Schonwalder EMS No. 1 AO: TRDE (Ricochet Dream) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Max Corbacho Remote Sensing The Resonant Memory of Earth (Space for Music) Max Corbacho Lands of Sacred The Resonant Memory of Earth Silence (Space for Music) Max Corbacho Magenta Beauty TRMoE (Space for Music) Max Corbacho The Resonant Memory The Resonant Memory of Earth of Earth (Space for Music) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist % = excerpt NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Max Corbacho. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Nocturnal Emanations" on Space for Music Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Time's Encomium" by Charles Wuorinen on Nonesuch Records and released in 1969. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 14:41:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66A273BEC5; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:41:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=oDv8e2ENyDdZqVQVa3WF4H3URuK8Tle/94AtnUEWWJRE537KH08s9zz5bFG1HWbuH4fiFmVBXwaS94x3MDbQXVkQEgpkUnJ3MOmipB3TqB1U++m2Yb5dX7RnF35jMLxv9lvy0DgkbbZUft9xox9BIBM7/0dXiZmips7jLsoRTCc= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0702020641m24c39c6cs60eee2c47e0ead5f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:41:30 -0600 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC50 question... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17294_13547327.1170427290887" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:41:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_17294_13547327.1170427290887 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've been using the RC50 and I really want to put this unit on my desk rather than leave it on the floor. I find myself pressing alot of the buttons with my hand, rather than my foot. I think the only button I press with my foot is the "record/overdub" button. So, I bought a footswitch, but it looks like you cannot program the footswitch to act as the "record/overdub" button. Does anybody know of a work-around for this? Thanks, Dan -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_17294_13547327.1170427290887 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've been using the RC50 and I really want to put this unit on my desk
rather than leave it on the floor.
I find myself pressing alot of the buttons with my hand, rather than my foot.
I think the only button I press with my foot is the "record/overdub" button.

So, I bought a footswitch, but it looks like you cannot program the footswitch to act as the "record/overdub" button.
Does anybody know of a work-around for this?

Thanks,
Dan

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kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_17294_13547327.1170427290887-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 14:53:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A398E3BED2; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <55e79c0d0702020641m24c39c6cs60eee2c47e0ead5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <55e79c0d0702020641m24c39c6cs60eee2c47e0ead5f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-994734879 Message-Id: From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: RC50 question... Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:52:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:53:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8-994734879 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed They don't give you a way to do that. I hope the can add stuff like that in a future software update. I really want them to add a way to pan the guide on the outputs. TEddy On Feb 2, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Dan Katayama wrote: > I've been using the RC50 and I really want to put this unit on my desk > rather than leave it on the floor. > I find myself pressing alot of the buttons with my hand, rather > than my foot. > I think the only button I press with my foot is the "record/ > overdub" button. > > So, I bought a footswitch, but it looks like you cannot program the > footswitch to act as the "record/overdub" button. > Does anybody know of a work-around for this? > > Thanks, > Dan > > -- > kosukeweb > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 --Apple-Mail-8-994734879 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII They don't give you a way to do = that.

I hope the = can add stuff like that in a future software update.
I really = want them to add a way to pan the guide on the outputs.

TEddy

On Feb 2, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Dan Katayama wrote:

I've been = using the RC50 and I really want to put this unit on my desk
rather = than leave it on the floor.
I find myself pressing alot of the = buttons with my hand, rather than my foot.
I think the only button I = press with my foot is the "record/overdub" button.

So, I bought = a footswitch, but it looks like you cannot program the footswitch to act = as the "record/overdub" button.
Does anybody know of a work-around = for this?

Thanks,
Dan

-- =
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kka= tayama76

= --Apple-Mail-8-994734879-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 17:04:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 527BD3BEDD; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Semi-OT: Express Card slot on Laptop--digital audio? Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:04:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdG7Dq1A9TC3iWDR8iutx2qJALe5w== Message-Id: <20070202170450.FXNI1349.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Hello digital music folk, Yesterday I took possession of an HP Pavilion to replace an ailing Compaq, and found there was no PCI-CIA slot, only something called an Express Card slot. The Echo Indigo doesn't fit into it; guess I'll have to use my M-Audio Solo with the Firewire connection for now. But I am wondering if any of you have an idea of when (or if) hardware for digital audio will be available for this slot. TIA, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 17:17:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30EF33BEEC; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20070202170450.FXNI1349.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <20070202170450.FXNI1349.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:17:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Express Card slot on Laptop--digital audio? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120a21a22da03623298ced2962fb2647f96032bdccc9f1ed897350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Universal Audio have announced an express card version of their UAD system. http://www.uaudio.com/products/uad-dsp_menu.html >Hello digital music folk, >Yesterday I took possession of an HP Pavilion to replace an ailing Compaq, >and found there was no PCI-CIA slot, only something called an Express Card >slot. The Echo Indigo doesn't fit into it; guess I'll have to use my M-Audio >Solo with the Firewire connection for now. But I am wondering if any of you >have an idea of when (or if) hardware for digital audio will be available >for this slot. >TIA, >Gary -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 18:39:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC03B3BEE8; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 18:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003501c7462b$445ca9d0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <4CB9CB8A-4993-44C6-9E87-CEB8C5A6319E@zoekeating.com> <003501c7462b$445ca9d0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:38:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Imogen&Zoe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2007 18:39:06.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B22C3F0:01C746F9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 18:39:08 +0000 (UTC) > hi Zoe, > >> sorry the sound was so bunk. we do actually have an engineer with us  >> who is usually quite amazing. don't know why it got so loud. > >the sound in Cologne was quite clear and good :-) but yes, it was quite >loud at times (I was directly at the stage between the PA towers so it was >bearable for me). Not during the more quiet pieces but Imogen's "rock" piece >really shook the house :-) > >-Michael www.michaelpeters.de thats how it was in Bern. sometimes impressively loud, but not for long time... for me, Zoes part could have been softer when solo and louder when with Imi. I was impressed how complex sounds and changes they dominated. A lot of MIDI and sync going on, controllers all over. 4 Repeaters... And still simplicity and that wonderfull Mbira get their moments and add wonderfull dynamics... I was most moved by the looped voices. I loved the demonstration of the whole setup by Imogen. Fun and deducational and adding value to the presentation from then on. I had imagined looping as an impro tool, but those two professionals show that its very seriously supports complex compositions. And it still feels very different from calling ready samples! And the room was packed, there is a public for this music, as oposed to most experimental looping we are hearing... I had a great evening! Matthias -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 19:14:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A94683BEE8; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45C38DA4.4080708@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:14:44 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ANN: Freewheeling Live Looper 0.5.5 Release (Mac OS X / Linux) References: <20070201190620.249DF13EC0@ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20070201190620.249DF13EC0@ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Yon P Mercury wrote: > Start from this folder, and you should have no problem. confirmed...., and after the first start, I can move it to my spaced folder and it will still run.... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 19:14:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B07333BEF3; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45C38DB3.80004@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:14:59 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar to Miscellaneous Music boxes References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Dean, Hal wrote: > Surely others have done this. Anyone seen something similar? I always wanted it, but I don't have the correct pickup for my bass yet. I would feed each string into a different delay line/loop with different lengths, to get another approach of a more complex canon structure... If you play a melody across strings, it will break up, if you play it on a single string it will stay intact... I would like to have one single firewire cable coming out of my bass, or have it wireless.... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 19:25:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A88D3BEF0; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <4CB9CB8A-4993-44C6-9E87-CEB8C5A6319E@zoekeating.com> <003501c7462b$445ca9d0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-1011081959 Message-Id: <5aebea4b852cbfce45b60e42d48c180e@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Imogen&Zoe Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:25:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:25:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-1011081959 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 2-Feb-07, at 10:38 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > I had imagined looping as an impro tool, but those two professionals > show that its very seriously supports complex compositions. And it > still feels very different from calling ready samples! > > And the room was packed, there is a public for this music, as oposed > to most experimental looping we are hearing... > > I had a great evening! > Matthias I'd really like to see them do it. Is there video? I don't use it as an improv tool, more as a composing & live performance assistant. But I love some of the improv stuff I've seen from you all (actually... all o' y'all). I keep going back to Steve Lawson's myspace because I think he's doing something between composing and improv. And he does it so well. To me, it's all about melody and originality. If you can do improv and pull the listener in in the same way a heart/mind expanding composed melody can, then you will pack the house. OR... if you're so original you dazzle the mind of the listener with new vistas of possibility, you could maybe not pack a big house but certainly could have a very interested house - which may be more rewarding in the long run. But the combo of originality and melody never fails. Add rhythm and you're headed for the bank... unless you get side tracked along the way. Which most of us do. Offspring, new cars, gimgacks, flattering bosses, household chores and the ultimate distractor - things on TV screens and monitors. Hey! Maybe I should make a bumper sticker... "So many distractions, so little time!" richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com --Apple-Mail-3-1011081959 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On 2-Feb-07, at 10:38 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: I had imagined looping as an impro tool, but those two professionals show that its very seriously supports complex compositions. And it still feels very different from calling ready samples! And the room was packed, there is a public for this music, as oposed to most experimental looping we are hearing... I had a great evening! Matthias I'd really like to see them do it. Is there video? I don't use it as an improv tool, more as a composing & live performance assistant. But I love some of the improv stuff I've seen from you all (actually... all o' y'all). I keep going back to Steve Lawson's myspace because I think he's doing something between composing and improv. And he does it so well. To me, it's all about melody and originality. If you can do improv and pull the listener in in the same way a heart/mind expanding composed melody can, then you will pack the house. OR... if you're so original you dazzle the mind of the listener with new vistas of possibility, you could maybe not pack a big house but certainly could have a very interested house - which may be more rewarding in the long run. But the combo of originality and melody never fails. Add rhythm and you're headed for the bank... unless you get side tracked along the way. Which most of us do. Offspring, new cars, gimgacks, flattering bosses, household chores and the ultimate distractor - things on TV screens and monitors. Hey! Maybe I should make a bumper sticker... "So many distractions, so little time!" Gadgetrichard sales 7371,7F7D,C5C3glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C1,9694,1C1A www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com --Apple-Mail-3-1011081959-- From root@rannow.org Sat Feb 3 02:15:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from rannow.org (rannow.org [217.160.203.84]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD363BEAB for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 02:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27861 invoked by uid 0); 1 Feb 2007 19:59:14 -0000 Date: 1 Feb 2007 19:59:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20070201195914.27860.qmail@rannow.org> To: looparc@loopers-delight.com From: Bank of America Content-Type: text/html Subject: Security: Your Online Banking Account is Blocked Bank of America Account Review Department !
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 03:11:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C583D3BEF0; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 03:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: KnCbwi8VM1k67_zRUc92Vi_9GoHOoauwB5na2T3OButydwQg1dizPlE4ENYE_kvaXEwP.LYSHIrFh_GztML.n8nRyv7VCMe05JCp2qIwXWiuBonORjx.OYDoXvRqcZsQjYR140cV1va87CM- From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: Gibson EDP Feedback Pedal Pot Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 21:10:46 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2ORwWB.A.KrF.V1_wFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 03:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Folks, I know the Looper's Delight tips of the trade says the volume pedal that is used as a Feedback should use at least a 20K pot. I went to Radio Shack and bought a 10K Linear Potentiometer and it is PERFECT!!! From 0-127, zero at one end and 127 at the other!!! Rock on all!! Plish PS If anyone is in Kenosha Wisconsin environs, stop by tomorrow night at my gig. Write me for details! From root@linegate.de Sat Feb 3 04:05:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 11265 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 04:05:15 UTC Received: from linegate.de (linegate.de [213.198.73.66]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478A73BECA for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 04:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from linegate.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by linegate.de (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l130vT1G034154 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 00:57:29 GMT Received: (from root@localhost) by linegate.de (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1/Submit) id l130vTsl034153; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 00:57:29 GMT Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 00:57:29 GMT Message-Id: <200702030057.l130vTsl034153@linegate.de> To: looparc@loopers-delight.com From: Bank of America Content-Type: text/html Subject: Security: Your Online Banking Account is Blocked Bank of America Account Review Department !
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 05:35:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CD6E3BEE6; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 05:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <10b701c74755$1fd4cae0$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (on YouTube) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 22:35:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_10B4_01C7471A.72B254C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <5pyFHC.A.dsB.r8BxFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 05:35:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_10B4_01C7471A.72B254C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not a bad Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (yawn, heh = heh...think McFerrin and Corea)...the nice thing is that he loops both = the comping and bass lines at the same time (like Pass did), rather than = doing bass, then chords as separate takes.... requires some chops to do = that thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DvYi16G2_I78&mode=3Drelated&search=3D *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_10B4_01C7471A.72B254C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not a bad Joe Pass-like looping = rendition of Autumn=20 Leaves  (yawn, heh heh...think McFerrin and Corea)...the nice = thing is=20 that he loops both the comping and bass lines at the same time (like = Pass did),=20 rather than doing bass, then chords as separate takes.... requires some = chops to=20 do that thing.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DvYi16G2_I78&mode=3Drelate= d&search=3D
 
 
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Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com /=20 www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
Performance=20 Calendar: ht= tp://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
CD=20 Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20
------=_NextPart_000_10B4_01C7471A.72B254C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 06:59:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A55653BEF6; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 06:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:58:13 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (on YouTube) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001d01c74760$ad271280$6501a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_eMcg6D8Q7yBusVgM2bCs/A)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <10b701c74755$1fd4cae0$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 06:59:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_eMcg6D8Q7yBusVgM2bCs/A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thanks for sharing that wonderful clip. It was very inspiring. I've also admired that style of playing and hope to one day work towards incorporating that craft into my playing. I've also been aiming to learn Bluegrass which is really out of this world for me. I think the dude used looping to great musical effect. Tanx. Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) Hp 97584919 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message ----- From: Krispen Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:35 PM Subject: Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (on YouTube) Not a bad Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (yawn, heh heh...think McFerrin and Corea)...the nice thing is that he loops both the comping and bass lines at the same time (like Pass did), rather than doing bass, then chords as separate takes.... requires some chops to do that thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYi16G2_I78&mode=related&search= ************************************************************************** Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung --Boundary_(ID_eMcg6D8Q7yBusVgM2bCs/A) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Thanks for sharing that wonderful clip. It was very inspiring. I've also admired that style of playing and hope to one day work towards incorporating that craft into my playing. I've also been aiming to learn Bluegrass which is really out of this world for me. I think the dude used looping to great musical effect. Tanx.
 
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Subject: Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (on YouTube)

Not a bad Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves  (yawn, heh heh...think McFerrin and Corea)...the nice thing is that he loops both the comping and bass lines at the same time (like Pass did), rather than doing bass, then chords as separate takes.... requires some chops to do that thing.
 
 
 
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Krispen Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
Performance Calendar: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung
info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
--Boundary_(ID_eMcg6D8Q7yBusVgM2bCs/A)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 11:31:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AF7A3BED2; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <10e301c74786$deaedce0$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <10b701c74755$1fd4cae0$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001d01c74760$ad271280$6501a8c0@embryo> Subject: Re: Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (on YouTube) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 04:31:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_10E0_01C7474C.319407E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:31:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_10E0_01C7474C.319407E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Joe Pass thing is fun. I'm no master at it, but I can generally play = figured bass lines on my guitar for most jazz standard charts, and then = fill in the comping with chords at the same time. If I recall correctly, = I basically focused on learning how to pay figured bass lines = first....just be able to take any chart and play it as if you were = playing bass, but do so with the flesh of your thumb. Get that down = first. Then, once you have those patterns internalized, start crafting = all the various types of chord voicings (minor 7, major 7, dominant 7, = etc) that correspond with the chords that you would ordinarily see on = the first beat of a measure, or the first and third beats of a measure = (if you have two chords per measure), but craft the chords so that you = can play them in bar chord fashion, and on the upbeat (the "and") of the = first and third beats of each measure, by plucking them with your = fingers. For example, if you are playing Bb minor blues, your figured = bass line for the first measure could be Bb, C, C#, D on the sixth fret = (beats 1, 2, 3, and 4), first string, but play the Bb while baring the = 6th fret with your first first finger, and plucking strings 3, 4, and 5 = on the upbeat (and) of the first beat, creating a minor 7th chord. Do = this for the IV chord, and I-VI-II-V turn-around and you have it made. K- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Randolf Arriola=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:58 PM Subject: Re: Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (on = YouTube) Thanks for sharing that wonderful clip. It was very inspiring. I've = also admired that style of playing and hope to one day work towards = incorporating that craft into my playing. I've also been aiming to learn = Bluegrass which is really out of this world for me. I think the dude = used looping to great musical effect. Tanx. Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) Hp 97584919 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:35 PM Subject: Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (on = YouTube) Not a bad Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (yawn, = heh heh...think McFerrin and Corea)...the nice thing is that he loops = both the comping and bass lines at the same time (like Pass did), rather = than doing bass, then chords as separate takes.... requires some chops = to do that thing. = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DvYi16G2_I78&mode=3Drelated&search=3D = *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_10E0_01C7474C.319407E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Joe Pass thing is fun. I'm no = master at it, but=20 I can generally play figured bass lines on my guitar for most jazz = standard=20 charts, and then fill in the comping with chords at the same time. = If I=20 recall correctly, I basically focused on learning how to pay figured = bass lines=20 first....just be able to take any chart and play it as if you were = playing bass,=20 but do so with the flesh of your thumb. Get that down first. Then, once = you have=20 those patterns internalized, start crafting all the various types of = chord=20 voicings (minor 7, major 7, dominant 7, etc) that correspond with = the=20 chords that you would ordinarily see on the first beat of a measure, or = the=20 first and third beats of a measure (if you have two chords per measure), = but=20 craft the chords so that you can play them in bar chord fashion, and on = the=20 upbeat (the "and") of the first and third beats of each measure, by = plucking=20 them with your fingers.  For example, if you are playing Bb minor = blues,=20 your figured bass line for the first measure could be Bb, C, = C#, D on=20 the sixth fret (beats 1, 2, 3, and 4), first string, but play the Bb = while=20 baring the 6th fret with your first first finger, and = plucking strings 3,=20 4, and 5 on the upbeat (and) of the first beat, creating a minor 7th = chord. Do=20 this for the IV chord, and I-VI-II-V turn-around and you have it=20 made.
 
K-
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Randolf=20 Arriola
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 = 11:58=20 PM
Subject: Re: Joe Pass-like = looping=20 rendition of Autumn Leaves (on YouTube)

Thanks for sharing that wonderful = clip. It was=20 very inspiring. I've also admired that style of playing and hope = to one=20 day work towards incorporating that craft into my playing. I've = also been=20 aiming to learn Bluegrass which is really out of this world for = me. I=20 think the dude used looping to great musical effect. = Tanx.
 
Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo)
Hp 97584919
http://www.sound= click.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm
http://www.myspace.com/the_emb= ryo
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, February 03, = 2007 1:35=20 PM
Subject: Joe Pass-like = looping=20 rendition of Autumn Leaves (on YouTube)

Not a bad Joe Pass-like looping = rendition of=20 Autumn Leaves  (yawn, heh heh...think McFerrin and=20 Corea)...the nice thing is that he loops both the comping and = bass=20 lines at the same time (like Pass did), rather than doing bass, then = chords=20 as separate takes.... requires some chops to do that = thing.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DvYi16G2_I78&mode=3Drelate= d&search=3D
 
 
****************************************************************= **********
Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com / = www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
Performance=20 Calendar: ht= tp://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung
info@krispenhartung.com = /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
CD=20 Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20
------=_NextPart_000_10E0_01C7474C.319407E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 12:18:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 923953BEE4; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 12:18:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 12:12:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Gibson EDP Feedback Pedal Pot Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2007 12:18:44.0889 (UTC) FILETIME=[73031090:01C7478D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 12:18:47 +0000 (UTC) >Folks, > >I know the Looper's Delight tips of the trade says the volume pedal that is >used as a Feedback should use at least a 20K pot. I went to Radio Shack and >bought a 10K Linear Potentiometer and it is PERFECT!!! From 0-127, zero at >one end and 127 at the other!!! yes, it was designed to be a 10k. Kim recommends a 20k to make shure that it also works in case the pedal does not use part of the pot -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 13:02:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20E5F3BEE7; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 13:02:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0PBESNTPqCZxJ8XJWqn7XMD8UH2npaUfYCjDD7+Qx2smRzpK49fMUgu3wTzK5sPbZOxXDxpTSZpRWkGrqDpC3WUelYZN6MsvYRt6yKg24qFw1NMUf0PBSq+di4rCPwYHChZuyAoTlydBg77zoLkloA8qUjbNVI8wAu7R+R1Z4NI=; X-YMail-OSG: G8XjYJ4VM1kjfTKv.4Aot9HtHL84edDBJjlnpW5diXdUxzz4H55AgYYJgc7plExbtHd6jBSWxADqIIzRMj7n34csH096zFLsf782Pan7AZuRhEqVJDKiEeGwE_PQGMYvwWXZtPO1QpLtSeY- Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 05:02:25 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Acoustic Guitar effects quest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45C38DB3.80004@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <143810.70224.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 13:02:27 +0000 (UTC) i my ongoing quest for a good efx proccessor for my stereo acoustic guitar id like to have your input. At first i was looking for a 2 input stereo floor unit with tuer poly octave, boost, chorus, delay and reverb but there isnt any out there as far as i know.So now i am looking for a rack unit and I need the follwing features: A)2 input and stereo outs for my acoustic stereo preamp output,i am using a magnetic and transducer. B)poly octave effect that tracks acoustic guitar good enough for looping bass sounds(like the boss Oc-3) C)boost D)tap delays,old analog dealys and echo simulations E)easy readable tuner F)if possible overdrive or distortion G)A good EQ H)dual independent channel proccessor my recent considerations are: TC electronics G-force the latest lexicon boxes like the mx series My regards to you and thanx for sharing your experience! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 15:23:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 978C83BEE9; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 15:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <143810.70224.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <143810.70224.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--1064556908 Message-Id: <90d99ef2c804c97db762a58fe9e76afc@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Acoustic Guitar effects quest Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 07:22:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <_bW8L.A.Gh.VjKxFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 15:23:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--1064556908 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed If you wanna save money, the Ensoniq DP4 does all this. I've seen them on Ebay for pretty cheap. Not selling mine right now. Haven't tried the pitch shift on guitar - no idea how it tracks. But I bet you could get one for a fraction of the TC Electronics G Force. I think I've seen them on EBay for a couple hundred US bucks. Cost me about 1200 US new! But I'm pretty sure it has all the features you want and I think it sounds good. It has a nice chorus, MIDI sync delays etc. I haven't tried the distortion stuff on the DP4 yet. I also have a Digitech Twin Tube that does pretty good distortion - 12AX7 tubes. Does chorus and delays too... but no pitch shifting. I would check these out if you wanna save $$$. The Twin Tube is mostly good for chain saw distortion - big Marshall kind of stuff. If you're not in a hurry I've been pondering hooking up the DP4 to my acoustic setup. Maybe I'll try it and see how the pitch shift tracks. But I'm pretty busy with projects right now. Maybe a month or so. I'll give the report if and when I can get to it. I'm looking into a harp guitar to do bass lines while I play. They're expensive though... and will require a lot of practice time to get good at. So that might be a project for my next life. Let me know if you find a good pitch shifter than can track an acoustic guitar. I know Xavier Rudd uses a crossover to split out the lower freq's of the guitar to get bass live onstage. Heard it = it was pretty huge. Actually, TOO huge! Through an SVT cabinet. Big woof! They tried everything and nothing tracked well enough. Also, live Xav uses one of those Ibanez Tube Screamers. I've bought a Durham Electronics Sex Drive for overdrive - it's traveling to me as we speak. I'll give the report on that when I have time with it. 219USD. www.xavierrudd.com www.durhamelectronics.com Just to confuse things, my current fave echo is the Fulltone Tube Tape Echo. www.fulltone.com It's wonderful. Fat, thick, sweet,,, a wee pinch of nasty if desired. Great tube echo. About 1100 USD. You can get a used old Echoplex Tape Echo but they're like buying an old car. You'll need to spend some $$$ to make it reliable if your'e gigging with it. But tape echo sounds very sweet compared to digital. I've seen old Echoplexes on Ebay for between 200-800 (high number for the old tube models) dollars. Would cost about 250 (or more if trashed) to make reliable. I'm doing that to my old one now so I can have TWO tape echos! Oooh weee!!! The solid state old Echoplexes still sound better than digital echo in my lowly and very humble old school opinion. I used mine on my acoustic and it sounds great. The king of pickups for wooden acoustic guitar, from my experience, is the K&K Trinity Plus (www.kksound.com). Sounds amazing. Like a real guitar! The undisputed champion of chorus is the old Roland Dimension D. It is the hand of God on guitars. Like magic fairy dust. Hard to find now and over a grand to buy. But it's glorious. Very. Good luck richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 3-Feb-07, at 5:02 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > i my ongoing quest for a good efx proccessor for my > stereo acoustic guitar id like to have your input. > At first i was looking for a 2 input stereo floor unit > with tuer poly octave, boost, chorus, delay and reverb > but there isnt any out there as far as i know.So now > i am looking for a rack unit and > I need the follwing features: > > A)2 input and stereo outs for my acoustic stereo > preamp output,i am using a magnetic and transducer. > B)poly octave effect that tracks acoustic guitar good > enough for looping bass sounds(like the boss Oc-3) > C)boost > D)tap delays,old analog dealys and echo simulations > E)easy readable tuner > F)if possible overdrive or distortion > G)A good EQ > H)dual independent channel proccessor > > my recent considerations are: > TC electronics G-force > the latest lexicon boxes like the mx series > > My regards to you and thanx for sharing your > experience! > cheers > Luis > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________ > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! > Games. > http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 > --Apple-Mail-5--1064556908 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII If you wanna save money, the Ensoniq DP4 does all this. I've seen them on Ebay for pretty cheap. Not selling mine right now. Haven't tried the pitch shift on guitar - no idea how it tracks. But I bet you could get one for a fraction of the TC Electronics G Force. I think I've seen them on EBay for a couple hundred US bucks. Cost me about 1200 US new! But I'm pretty sure it has all the features you want and I think it sounds good. It has a nice chorus, MIDI sync delays etc. I haven't tried the distortion stuff on the DP4 yet. I also have a Digitech Twin Tube that does pretty good distortion - 12AX7 tubes. Does chorus and delays too... but no pitch shifting. I would check these out if you wanna save $$$. The Twin Tube is mostly good for chain saw distortion - big Marshall kind of stuff. If you're not in a hurry I've been pondering hooking up the DP4 to my acoustic setup. Maybe I'll try it and see how the pitch shift tracks. But I'm pretty busy with projects right now. Maybe a month or so. I'll give the report if and when I can get to it. I'm looking into a harp guitar to do bass lines while I play. They're expensive though... and will require a lot of practice time to get good at. So that might be a project for my next life. Let me know if you find a good pitch shifter than can track an acoustic guitar. I know Xavier Rudd uses a crossover to split out the lower freq's of the guitar to get bass live onstage. Heard it = it was pretty huge. Actually, TOO huge! Through an SVT cabinet. Big woof! They tried everything and nothing tracked well enough. Also, live Xav uses one of those Ibanez Tube Screamers. I've bought a Durham Electronics Sex Drive for overdrive - it's traveling to me as we speak. I'll give the report on that when I have time with it. 219USD. www.xavierrudd.com www.durhamelectronics.com Just to confuse things, my current fave echo is the Fulltone Tube Tape Echo. www.fulltone.com It's wonderful. Fat, thick, sweet,,, a wee pinch of nasty if desired. Great tube echo. About 1100 USD. You can get a used old Echoplex Tape Echo but they're like buying an old car. You'll need to spend some $$$ to make it reliable if your'e gigging with it. But tape echo sounds very sweet compared to digital. I've seen old Echoplexes on Ebay for between 200-800 (high number for the old tube models) dollars. Would cost about 250 (or more if trashed) to make reliable. I'm doing that to my old one now so I can have TWO tape echos! Oooh weee!!! The solid state old Echoplexes still sound better than digital echo in my lowly and very humble old school opinion. I used mine on my acoustic and it sounds great. The king of pickups for wooden acoustic guitar, from my experience, is the K&K Trinity Plus (www.kksound.com). Sounds amazing. Like a real guitar! The undisputed champion of chorus is the old Roland Dimension D. It is the hand of God on guitars. Like magic fairy dust. Hard to find now and over a grand to buy. But it's glorious. Very. Good luck Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 3-Feb-07, at 5:02 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: i my ongoing quest for a good efx proccessor for my stereo acoustic guitar id like to have your input. At first i was looking for a 2 input stereo floor unit with tuer poly octave, boost, chorus, delay and reverb but there isnt any out there as far as i know.So now i am looking for a rack unit and I need the follwing features: A)2 input and stereo outs for my acoustic stereo preamp output,i am using a magnetic and transducer. B)poly octave effect that tracks acoustic guitar good enough for looping bass sounds(like the boss Oc-3) C)boost D)tap delays,old analog dealys and echo simulations E)easy readable tuner F)if possible overdrive or distortion G)A good EQ H)dual independent channel proccessor my recent considerations are: TC electronics G-force the latest lexicon boxes like the mx series My regards to you and thanx for sharing your experience! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 --Apple-Mail-5--1064556908-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 17:27:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6734C3BECC; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:message-id; b=URneqPOrZc+UcjQIkHtlxYFqHV4F85RsrUvivLdwaTCi7q6g7+N92ZgRxqFufNyEqV/T1gE3jBZAw85RT2Y5KtiLVIHFg3qK2caeBH5nbLH+YqR2zvDmjHXzj2Os73BNs6T4Lk43N2pNOcdIQ67dO6U/XbVvn5NaX5iFa/c2s64= Reply-To: From: "Miles Ward" To: Subject: RE: Acoustic Guitar effects quest Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:27:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C74775.8E83B350" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcdHpzeGQXF4r3egRQyO9IFYeozyRQAENtwA In-Reply-To: <90d99ef2c804c97db762a58fe9e76afc@glasswing.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-ID: <45c4c5fa.0f0d968d.73d2.ffffc80f@mx.google.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:27:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C74775.8E83B350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard, does the pitch shift on that DP4 have adjustable range, like, up a 4th, 5th, 13th, octave, 2 octaves? Have you tried running _really low_ sounds into it? :-) _____ From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com] Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 7:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic Guitar effects quest If you wanna save money, the Ensoniq DP4 does all this. I've seen them on Ebay for pretty cheap. Not selling mine right now. Haven't tried the pitch shift on guitar - no idea how it tracks. But I bet you could get one for a fraction of the TC Electronics G Force. I think I've seen them on EBay for a couple hundred US bucks. Cost me about 1200 US new! But I'm pretty sure it has all the features you want and I think it sounds good. It has a nice chorus, MIDI sync delays etc. I haven't tried the distortion stuff on the DP4 yet. I also have a Digitech Twin Tube that does pretty good distortion - 12AX7 tubes. Does chorus and delays too... but no pitch shifting. I would check these out if you wanna save $$$. The Twin Tube is mostly good for chain saw distortion - big Marshall kind of stuff. If you're not in a hurry I've been pondering hooking up the DP4 to my acoustic setup. Maybe I'll try it and see how the pitch shift tracks. But I'm pretty busy with projects right now. Maybe a month or so. I'll give the report if and when I can get to it. I'm looking into a harp guitar to do bass lines while I play. They're expensive though... and will require a lot of practice time to get good at. So that might be a project for my next life. Let me know if you find a good pitch shifter than can track an acoustic guitar. I know Xavier Rudd uses a crossover to split out the lower freq's of the guitar to get bass live onstage. Heard it = it was pretty huge. Actually, TOO huge! Through an SVT cabinet. Big woof! They tried everything and nothing tracked well enough. Also, live Xav uses one of those Ibanez Tube Screamers. I've bought a Durham Electronics Sex Drive for overdrive - it's traveling to me as we speak. I'll give the report on that when I have time with it. 219USD. www.xavierrudd.com www.durhamelectronics.com Just to confuse things, my current fave echo is the Fulltone Tube Tape Echo. www.fulltone.com It's wonderful. Fat, thick, sweet,,, a wee pinch of nasty if desired. Great tube echo. About 1100 USD. You can get a used old Echoplex Tape Echo but they're like buying an old car. You'll need to spend some $$$ to make it reliable if your'e gigging with it. But tape echo sounds very sweet compared to digital. I've seen old Echoplexes on Ebay for between 200-800 (high number for the old tube models) dollars. Would cost about 250 (or more if trashed) to make reliable. I'm doing that to my old one now so I can have TWO tape echos! Oooh weee!!! The solid state old Echoplexes still sound better than digital echo in my lowly and very humble old school opinion. I used mine on my acoustic and it sounds great. The king of pickups for wooden acoustic guitar, from my experience, is the K&K Trinity Plus (www.kksound.com). Sounds amazing. Like a real guitar! The undisputed champion of chorus is the old Roland Dimension D. It is the hand of God on guitars. Like magic fairy dust. Hard to find now and over a grand to buy. But it's glorious. Very. Good luck richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 3-Feb-07, at 5:02 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: i my ongoing quest for a good efx proccessor for my stereo acoustic guitar id like to have your input. At first i was looking for a 2 input stereo floor unit with tuer poly octave, boost, chorus, delay and reverb but there isnt any out there as far as i know.So now i am looking for a rack unit and I need the follwing features: A)2 input and stereo outs for my acoustic stereo preamp output,i am using a magnetic and transducer. B)poly octave effect that tracks acoustic guitar good enough for looping bass sounds(like the boss Oc-3) C)boost D)tap delays,old analog dealys and echo simulations E)easy readable tuner F)if possible overdrive or distortion G)A good EQ H)dual independent channel proccessor my recent considerations are: TC electronics G-force the latest lexicon boxes like the mx series My regards to you and thanx for sharing your experience! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C74775.8E83B350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Richard, does the pitch shift on = that DP4 have adjustable range, like, up a 4th, 5th, = 13th, octave, 2 octaves?  Have you tried running _really low_ sounds into it? J

 


From: = Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com]
Sent: Saturday, February = 03, 2007 7:23 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Acoustic = Guitar effects quest

 

If you wanna = save money, the Ensoniq DP4 does all this. I've seen them on Ebay for pretty cheap. = Not selling mine right now. Haven't tried the pitch shift on guitar - no = idea how it tracks. But I bet you could get one for a fraction of the TC = Electronics G Force. I think I've seen them on EBay for a couple hundred US bucks. = Cost me about 1200 US new! But I'm pretty sure it has all the features you want and I think it = sounds good.

It has a nice chorus, MIDI sync = delays etc. I haven't tried the distortion stuff on the DP4 yet. I also have a = Digitech Twin Tube that does pretty good distortion - 12AX7 tubes. Does chorus and = delays too... but no pitch shifting.
I would check these out if you wanna save $$$. The Twin Tube is mostly = good for chain saw distortion - big Marshall kind of stuff.

If you're not in a hurry I've been pondering hooking up the DP4 to my = acoustic setup. Maybe I'll try it and see how the pitch shift tracks. But I'm = pretty busy with projects right now. Maybe a month or so. I'll give the report = if and when I can get to it.

I'm looking into a harp guitar to do bass lines while I play. They're = expensive though... and will require a lot of practice time to get good at. So = that might be a project for my next life.

Let me know if you find a good pitch shifter than can track an acoustic = guitar.

I know Xavier Rudd uses a crossover to split out the lower freq's of the = guitar to get bass live onstage. Heard it =3D it was pretty huge. Actually, TOO = huge! Through an SVT cabinet. Big woof! They tried everything and nothing = tracked well enough. Also, live Xav uses one of those Ibanez Tube Screamers. = I've bought a Durham = Electronics Sex Drive for overdrive - it's traveling to me = as we speak. I'll give the report on that when I have time with it. = 219USD.

www.xavierrudd.com
www.durhamelectronics.com

Just to confuse things, my current fave echo is the Fulltone Tube Tape = Echo.

www.fulltone.com

It's wonderful. Fat, thick, sweet,,, a wee pinch of nasty if desired. = Great tube echo. About 1100 USD. You can get a used old Echoplex Tape Echo but they're like buying an old car. You'll need to spend some $$$ to make it reliable if your'e gigging with it. But tape echo sounds very sweet = compared to digital. I've seen old Echoplexes on Ebay for between 200-800 (high = number for the old tube models) dollars. Would cost about 250 (or more if trashed) = to make reliable. I'm doing that to my old one now so I can have TWO tape echos! = Oooh weee!!! The solid state old Echoplexes still sound better than digital = echo in my lowly and very humble old school opinion. I used mine on my acoustic = and it sounds great.

The king of pickups for wooden acoustic guitar, from my experience, is = the K&K Trinity Plus (www.kksound.com). Sounds amazing. Like a real = guitar!

The undisputed champion of chorus is the old Roland Dimension D. It is = the hand of God on guitars. Like magic fairy dust. Hard to find now and over a = grand to buy. But it's glorious. Very.

Good luck

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On 3-Feb-07, at 5:02 AM, L.A. Angulo = wrote:

i my ongoing = quest for a good efx proccessor for my
stereo acoustic guitar id like to have your input.
At first i was looking for a 2 input stereo floor unit
with tuer poly octave, boost, chorus, delay and reverb
but there isnt any out there as far as i know.So now
i am looking for a rack unit and
I need the follwing features:

A)2 input and stereo outs for my acoustic stereo
preamp output,i am using a magnetic and transducer.
B)poly octave effect that tracks acoustic guitar good
enough for looping bass sounds(like the boss Oc-3)
C)boost
D)tap delays,old analog dealys and echo simulations
E)easy readable tuner
F)if possible overdrive or distortion
G)A good EQ
H)dual independent channel proccessor

my recent considerations are:
TC electronics G-force
the latest lexicon boxes like the mx series

My regards to you and thanx for sharing your
experience!
cheers
Luis




www.myspace.com/luisangulocom



_________________________________________________________________________= ___________
Be a PS3 game guru.
Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! = Games.
http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=3D120121
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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C74775.8E83B350-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 19:14:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 550113BECD; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 19:14:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:18:27 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (on YouTube) In-reply-to: <10e301c74786$deaedce0$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c747c8$15b9adf0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_MlHOlkiyTNxtEM1wFvjWMw)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5eF9Y.A.GLH.s8NxFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 19:14:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_MlHOlkiyTNxtEM1wFvjWMw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Tuck Andress has a very interesting DVD devoted to solo fingerstyle jazz playing. He starts off by having you try to establish independence between bass lines and chords by having you sustain the chords and/or start them at different times, etc. Warren --Boundary_(ID_MlHOlkiyTNxtEM1wFvjWMw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
Tuck Andress has a very interesting DVD devoted to solo fingerstyle jazz playing. He starts off by having you try to establish independence between bass lines and chords by having you sustain the chords and/or start them at different times, etc.
 
Warren
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_MlHOlkiyTNxtEM1wFvjWMw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 22:32:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5C793BECC; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 22:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZatGvP1R4qFqiFiddfDS/dUZ7m9naiUh3vz4QJbpAa2pXb4to74fg7I8fiW8Q2ey6IlyTZCefVPorFA+ycXxF5JvjIYEVgqOoq8sGbUCw/+3uB+vXxBJCGrkaKS2D18ahp1deZGAZUw68FuOhebYvZX4IzZmFaI1DSE0AktMkQQ= Message-ID: <9e0440a60702031432t613ed982w6a8a076df451ae64@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:32:01 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (on YouTube) In-Reply-To: <000001c747c8$15b9adf0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16740_33028512.1170541921761" References: <10e301c74786$deaedce0$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000001c747c8$15b9adf0$0302a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 22:32:03 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16740_33028512.1170541921761 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Really well done and this tune always takes me back to Bill Evans (piano Bill Evans) and this is a bit like either surface guy or perhaps trite has nothing to do with the current thread but is anyone else bothered by the way many guitar videos are shot on YT with just the focus on the hands and physical body position of the guitar hence no head. I realize it's like duh as of course the point is the muse, the music and the technical for all us guitarnazi's (hope no offence...old Arkansas joke term) but it seems slightly dehumanizing, a bit arrogant and again I don't mean to say I've missed the point in this really gorgeous interpretation, as said it's away from what I do but the influence of these pieces are very important. So far on my YT postings I"ve chosen not to be decapitated... Caio and best to everyone - Warren nice to hear your words again. Jim On 2/3/07, Warren Sirota wrote: > > Tuck Andress has a very interesting DVD devoted to solo fingerstyle jazz > playing. He starts off by having you try to establish independence between > bass lines and chords by having you sustain the chords and/or start them at > different times, etc. > > Warren > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodin.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic MySpace (EoW) - http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere Acoustic World Guitar podcast series - http://jimgoodinmusic.libsyn.com The Language of 3, an introspective performance concept in acoustic music - http://www.languageof3.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_16740_33028512.1170541921761 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Really well done and this tune always takes me back to Bill Evans (piano Bill Evans) and this is a bit like either surface guy or perhaps trite has nothing to do with the current thread but is anyone else bothered by the way many guitar videos are shot on YT with just the focus on the hands and physical body position of the guitar hence no head.  I realize it's like duh as of course the point is the muse, the music and the technical for all us guitarnazi's (hope no offence...old Arkansas joke term) but it seems slightly dehumanizing, a bit arrogant and again I don't mean to say I've missed the point in this really gorgeous interpretation, as said it's away from what I do but the influence of these pieces are very important.  So far on my YT postings I"ve chosen not to be decapitated...
 
Caio and best to everyone - Warren nice to hear your words again.
 
Jim

 
On 2/3/07, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
Tuck Andress has a very interesting DVD devoted to solo fingerstyle jazz playing. He starts off by having you try to establish independence between bass lines and chords by having you sustain the chords and/or start them at different times, etc.
 
Warren
 
 



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The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodin.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
MySpace (EoW) - http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere
Acoustic World Guitar podcast series - http://jimgoodinmusic.libsyn.com
The Language of 3, an introspective performance concept in acoustic music - http://www.languageof3.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_16740_33028512.1170541921761-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 00:08:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2075D3BED5; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 00:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.35] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.35} Message-ID: <20070203180833.vs5g9jjq40scg4c0@69.89.21.76> Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:08:33 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (on YouTube) References: <10b701c74755$1fd4cae0$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <10b701c74755$1fd4cae0$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <3uKRTD.A.ziG.DQSxFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 00:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Very impressive! Thanks for posting. -- Kevin Quoting Krispen Hartung : > Not a bad Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (yawn, > heh heh...think McFerrin and Corea)...the nice thing is that he > loops both the comping and bass lines at the same time (like Pass > did), rather than doing bass, then chords as separate takes.... > requires some chops to do that thing. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYi16G2_I78&mode=related&search= > > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > Performance Calendar: > http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 02:41:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B585F3BEC2; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 02:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: FS: Looperlative LP-1 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:40:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C747C2.D60CF770" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdH+lwN73UHrIsNRP+zRV3aznVItwACzicQ Message-Id: <200702031842187.SM05124@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D482a009200002095.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 02:41:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C747C2.D60CF770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I bought my Looperlative LP-1 thinking so that I would have access to > perhaps the most powerful and innovative looper available. The problem is > that I haven't had time due to job changes, and home remodelling to spend > any time with it. And this will continue to be the case for the > forseable future. So I am posting the LP-1 for sale. > The LP-1 is incredibly easy to upgrade via s/w, and my LP-1 has the latest update. It also has Bob's noise reduction mod. It has only a few hours of use, and is in like-new condition. > I except paypal, and prefer to ship only within the US. I am asking $1195 > + shipping. > > Please contact me offllist at empyrean@oregon.com > > -Qua > ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C747C2.D60CF770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FS: Looperlative LP-1

I bought my Looperlative LP-1 thinking = so that I would have access to perhaps the most powerful and innovative = looper available.  The problem is that I haven't had time due to = job = changes, and home = remodelling to spend any time with it.   And this will = continue to be the case for the forseable future.    So I = am posting the = LP-1 for sale.   =

The  LP-1  = is incredibly easy to upgrade via s/w,  and my LP-1 has the latest update.  It also has Bob's = noise reduction mod. It has only a few hours of use,  and is in = like-new condition.

I except paypal, and prefer to ship = only within the US.  I am asking $1195 + shipping.

Please contact me offllist at = empyrean@oregon.com

-Qua

------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C747C2.D60CF770-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 02:52:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53D783BED2; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 02:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAFvZxEVKiNGcdGdsb2JhbACOUpF4AQEB Message-ID: <002b01c74807$8dd70b40$9cd1884a@c1503933a> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <10b701c74755$1fd4cae0$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001d01c74760$ad271280$6501a8c0@embryo> <10e301c74786$deaedce0$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (on YouTube) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 20:52:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 02:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Wow, very cool clip...a man after my own heart! I was just jamming with a friend at the music store on jazz tunes today and we played this tune. Okay, this is going to be a long post... I like to do the walking bass + chords thing and have been working on it for many years. The guy in the clip is REALLY good at it, I'm impressed. BTW, that guitar is the Ibanez Pat Metheny, great guitar. There are a lot of different approaches. Jack Grassel has a whole book about it called "Big Ax". His approach uses a LOT of notes, playing the bass line with the pick and then using three fingers to play all three-note chords above the bass line. When I started working on this in about 1990, I first did everything with the pick, and then switched to all fingers to make it easier to play the chords on offbeats, just like in the video. But I would almost always play 2 chord hits per bar. Over the years I've gone to playing fewer and fewer chord hits, because it's less awkward, and you don't really need them. Like a lot of the time I'll only play a chord when the chord changes. It's a lot more important to have a good bass line that swings, so I don't restrict playing the bass notes to just the thumb. I started out playing 4 and 5 note chords, but then reduced them to "shell voicings", which are chords with just root-3rd-7th or root-3rd-6th of the chord. Then you can get good voice leading by letting the chord notes descend in small steps while the bass line moves around. That sounds really nice. Like, here's a tab for the beginning of a blues in Bb (look at this in Courier font if it doesn't look right): Bb7 Eb7 Bb7 Fm7 Bb7 Eb7 ----------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- --7-----------6-----------7-----------8-----7------6- etc --6-----------5-----------6-----------6-----6------5- -----5--8--7--6--------------5--6--7--8---------7--6- --6--------------3--4--5--6--------------7--6-------- The bass line moves around but the chord tones are all on the middle 2 strings. The 3rd of one chord moves to the 7th of the next, and vice versa. This shows the chord tones hitting at the same time as the bass, but you can displace them, like this: Bb7 Eb7 --------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- -----7------------------6-------------- -----6------------------5-------------- --------5---8---7---6------------------ --6------------------------3---4---5--- Bb7 Fm7 Bb7 Eb7 ---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------- 7----------------8------------7---------6----- etc 6----------------6------------6---------5----- ------5---6---7------8---------------7------6- 6--------------------------7-----6------------ On the last few chords, the chord tones come before the bass note, which sounds pretty cool. Then I started adding TECHNOLOGY (shudder) to it, and got the hexaphonic Copeland pickup and the octave divider. There is a short clip on my page here of me doing this kind comping on a "Bird Blues" with this setup: http://tinyurl.com/23ehcx Then I added a Boss Loop Station. Then another Loop Station to play back drum loops. Then an Echoplex! Pretty soon I had this monstrosity: http://tinyurl.com/yonu6s What's weird is that I hardly ever use walking bass plus chords for looping, because now I like to play block chord solos, and the chord tones in Walking Bass + Chords get in the way when you try to solo like that. But I use it when I am accompanying someone else playing a single note solo. Chapman Stick lends itself to this kind of comping even better than the guitar does, so I've worked on that, too: http://www.marksmart.net/instruments/stick/BluesNoodling/noodling.html But I still mainly do it with the guitar since I'm much better at it on guitar than Stick. Hope this helps, since I've been obsessing about this for a long time. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 03:10:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F09F3BEE4; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 03:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <129101c7480a$02527660$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <10b701c74755$1fd4cae0$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001d01c74760$ad271280$6501a8c0@embryo> <10e301c74786$deaedce0$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002b01c74807$8dd70b40$9cd1884a@c1503933a> Subject: Re: Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (on YouTube) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 20:10:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <4UojyB.A.YGD.h6UxFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 03:10:25 +0000 (UTC) You've pretty much depicted my approach too, Mark. Play with all fingers...just pop the chord once, and only three note voicings...you don't need any more than that. Heck, most jazz piano players drop the root and fifth anyway, which leaves the 3rd, 7th, 9th, 11th, 13th, and any of the altered tones (b9, #9, b5, #5) to choose from. And to be quite honest, the soloist should be driving what alteration and coloration that the comper uses anyway (that is, if he is a good soloist and the rhythm section knows how to listen and support the him/her). Hence, in a looping context, if you are looping your own bass lines/comping, then you shouldn't use any radical coloration or alternation (just 7ths, 9ths, and an occastional 13th), otherwise, either you are asking for some major tonal conflict when you solo, or you are dictating what alteration your solo should include before you even do it. Hence, if you keep your comping basic, you can do anything with your improvised solo and it will sound good. If you start altering your comping and loop it, then you've painted yourself into a harmonic corner. Intereseting that you use the 3rd and 6th...that was Freddie Green's approach to big band guitar comping...most all his voicings were that simple, because the guitar in a traditional big band was not meant to be heard, but felt and in support of the rest of the rhythm section. That's just one approach though..whenI played in an 18 piece jazz big band, I went crazy with my voicings, otherwise I would have died of boredom. ...fun stuff. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Smart" To: Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 7:52 PM Subject: Re: Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (on YouTube) > Wow, very cool clip...a man after my own heart! I was just jamming with a > friend > at the music store on jazz tunes today and we played this tune. > > Okay, this is going to be a long post... > > I like to do the walking bass + chords thing and have been working on it > for > many years. The guy in the clip is REALLY good at it, I'm impressed. BTW, > that > guitar is the Ibanez Pat Metheny, great guitar. > > There are a lot of different approaches. Jack Grassel has a whole book > about it > called "Big Ax". His approach uses a LOT of notes, playing the bass line > with > the pick and then using three fingers to play all three-note chords above > the > bass line. > > When I started working on this in about 1990, I first did everything with > the > pick, and then switched to all fingers to make it easier to play the > chords on > offbeats, just like in the video. But I would almost always play 2 chord > hits > per bar. Over the years I've gone to playing fewer and fewer chord hits, > because > it's less awkward, and you don't really need them. Like a lot of the time > I'll > only play a chord when the chord changes. It's a lot more important to > have a > good bass line that swings, so I don't restrict playing the bass notes to > just > the thumb. > > I started out playing 4 and 5 note chords, but then reduced them to "shell > voicings", which are chords with just root-3rd-7th or root-3rd-6th of the > chord. > Then you can get good voice leading by letting the chord notes descend in > small > steps while the bass line moves around. That sounds really nice. Like, > here's a > tab for the beginning of a blues in Bb (look at this in Courier font if it > doesn't look right): > > Bb7 Eb7 Bb7 Fm7 Bb7 Eb7 > ----------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------- > --7-----------6-----------7-----------8-----7------6- etc > --6-----------5-----------6-----------6-----6------5- > -----5--8--7--6--------------5--6--7--8---------7--6- > --6--------------3--4--5--6--------------7--6-------- > > > The bass line moves around but the chord tones are all on the middle 2 > strings. > The 3rd of one chord moves to the 7th of the next, and vice versa. This > shows > the chord tones hitting at the same time as the bass, but you can displace > them, > like this: > > Bb7 Eb7 > --------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------- > -----7------------------6-------------- > -----6------------------5-------------- > --------5---8---7---6------------------ > --6------------------------3---4---5--- > > > > Bb7 Fm7 Bb7 Eb7 > ---------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------- > 7----------------8------------7---------6----- etc > 6----------------6------------6---------5----- > ------5---6---7------8---------------7------6- > 6--------------------------7-----6------------ > > On the last few chords, the chord tones come before the bass note, which > sounds > pretty cool. > > Then I started adding TECHNOLOGY (shudder) to it, and got the hexaphonic > Copeland pickup and the octave divider. There is a short clip on my page > here of > me doing this kind comping on a "Bird Blues" with this setup: > > http://tinyurl.com/23ehcx > > Then I added a Boss Loop Station. Then another Loop Station to play back > drum > loops. Then an Echoplex! Pretty soon I had this monstrosity: > > http://tinyurl.com/yonu6s > > What's weird is that I hardly ever use walking bass plus chords for > looping, > because now I like to play block chord solos, and the chord tones in > Walking > Bass + Chords get in the way when you try to solo like that. But I use it > when I > am accompanying someone else playing a single note solo. > > Chapman Stick lends itself to this kind of comping even better than the > guitar > does, so I've worked on that, too: > > http://www.marksmart.net/instruments/stick/BluesNoodling/noodling.html > > But I still mainly do it with the guitar since I'm much better at it on > guitar > than Stick. > > Hope this helps, since I've been obsessing about this for a long time. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 04:17:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03D023BEB8; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 04:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.248.156] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <296982.12662.qm@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: a VERY early demo Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 04:17:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2007 04:17:17.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B3DBE20:01C74813] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 04:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Hi there all, well I have finally emerged from a long time in the creative wastelands... I have been writing down odd lines for months and months in seperate word documents and today I finally felt inspired enough to paste them all into one uber document!! What do you know some of the lines actually rhyme and kind of for a narative. I only got as far as the first verse and i began singing a melody. I took this over to the guitar stuff and fiddled with some notes with a simlpe beat. it started getting good so i began again and clicked my recorder on...the file Im showing you all hee is THAT track no fiddling around and to be honest no previous direction so i hope you will forgive that it is somewhat rough .. i sang the lines i had onto another track straight after again with no second takes I know that all the stuff kind of kicks in in the wong places and theres probably better patches for the individual layers but I was sooo happy to have finally written something after such a long time, i just had to put it straight to a WAV file and send a link to you all, here it is http://rapidshare.com/files/14790245/plans_by_Myonemanband.wav.html I hope you enjoy listening to it, I am going to go back to evolving the song further with more words a second verse at least and better timing for the layers but would love to hear anyones ideas of what I could add in etc. Yours in happiness Phill Myonemanband (formerly blackface) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 08:29:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65F643BECD; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 08:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LWgcNrg4wlm/f9pxDgNOSTwhsYulVJ8h2DTfAwsg9rhFP83EFUy6jOzEHxTvV3ecgh6+PIKkTx/evMQ3N1IdjVnoL1QTfoCzBHmpqvItckdd+qW55OhIk0V1vWvoORhxPqh1xKFB+01K+cBI8JiviMp6NVS6+fnsqtKZ/Svnv0Y=; X-YMail-OSG: YR2Ym.cVM1mLHXb9s5kHnz2WIZaVAq2Vq_B1_e0NfabOj.WGDzgTLlez213I.XNk3tkMp4HcfC8iaiK.bRrD1q3g_ymofCdFEr_cpovEJ4iU0AfV88T_kgVJAazwg4M48rR5XFST0RvqfpU- Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 00:29:54 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: a very early demo To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <82068.94106.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <84GOLC.A.ygC.FmZxFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 08:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, NEVER make excuses or apologetic comments about your muzik!!!I have managed stages at street festivals and county fairs for decades and heard this a lot. ON STAGE!!! IN FRONT OF REAL POEPLE!!! Better to say," here is a rough demo of something I've been composing/working on and was suddenly inspired to put it to tape(disc, mp3,what-have-you). Your muzik is good no matter what, because it is YOUR MUZIK! If people don't like it, what the hey, there's bound to be a bunch that will. Please do not take this as critisising or such, Your sounds are special and making explanations is insecurity. YOU ARE A MUSICIAN! I would, however, recomend a short description of how it was done, but wthout apologies. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 08:41:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0BBD3BEDB; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 08:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Ob0iTCkPJzL+ABjNu78qi26zohtoqpTylcJQObkIHDekmobnniRw4lqBaLxwfKaauFyyyRHdoWYG2w0SkXWOjBs4yaHTOQsezw5xQO4Rs1A8sx7sYrSQeGSOxRi/sYUBN8pOrCZiGaoRO3gKodB1mCvF/b+LwEWlbbqohbj0rek=; X-YMail-OSG: AhRdRk8VM1lb.gi.neszyU69WXRdf_5DUHRjAlTYR5acailKqTHfcE3ehs29d1nPFYRN4cSwYJ5K7pMYTo0xF0UQl9B3gWsVBDolJyxGA9z5h5J9kN6Zwg9cr0Pk4IYwSsMHTxKWme7ZdnA- Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 00:41:21 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: name that chord To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <514651.35159.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 08:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I've been jamming with a freind for years now and we just push record and go. Some is OK, the rest is, oh well. We play in 2 keys. White ones or black ones, (he doesn't know note names). So someone please tell me, when we are in white key mode I'll play a chord when we are in our smoky-big-city-nightclub mode, that is G,A,B, and D, E. It works EXCELLENT with Fender Rhodes, but loses something with any other tone. What is the name of the chord if being played over a Cm or Amaj bass line? Thanx Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 09:46:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D22983BED6; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 09:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <514651.35159.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <514651.35159.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <01D78D55-4F6C-4BD0-A7AD-5CF39C877C7A@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: name that chord Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 04:46:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 09:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, G-A-B-D-E can be G6/9 A7sus4/9 Bm11/b6 Dsus4 6/9 Em11 depends on which root you look at from it is also all the notes in an E minor or G major pentatonic scale. anything with a pentatonic scale in it will tend to sound good over anything else, especially if you play it with style. if you put that over a C melodic minor (C-D-Eb-F-G-A-B) bass line I think you'd have quite the upper extension party with the minor 3rd, major 3rd and major 2nd all rubbing against each other. Basically it would be a Cminor/maj 7/6 with an added major 3rd for extra oomph. this one doesn't fit into any conventional chord symbol since you have 3 half steps in row there with the D, D# and E all rubbing against each other. ------------- if you put it over an A major bass line, it's a whole different ball of wax, much tamer since the A is already in the upper chord you're wrote. then you just get A7sus4/9 or A mixolydian since you're playing a major 3rd in your bass line. those 8 years of music theory finally paid off. whew. Teddy PS I hope you loop that through some interesting piece of equipment to keep it on topic. On Feb 4, 2007, at 3:41 AM, bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > I've been jamming with a freind for years now and we > just push record and go. Some is OK, the rest is, oh > well. We play in 2 keys. White ones or black ones, (he > doesn't know note names). So someone please tell me, > when we are in white key mode I'll play a chord when > we are in our smoky-big-city-nightclub mode, that is > G,A,B, and D, E. It works EXCELLENT with Fender > Rhodes, but loses something with any other tone. What > is the name of the chord if being played over a Cm or > Amaj bass line? Thanx > Rig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 12:31:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DAA23BECD; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 12:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.84.126.202] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <002b01c74807$8dd70b40$9cd1884a@c1503933a> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (on YouTube) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 07:31:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2007 12:31:02.0560 (UTC) FILETIME=[551C7A00:01C74858] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 12:31:04 +0000 (UTC) We have just about beat this one to death ... but here is my two cents .... yeah, me too ... it's fun (though I'm mediocre at it at best) ..... Anyway ... for those of us that are interested in this sort of thing ... here is a great lesson online for walking bass line and chords ... breaks it down in a very simple and straightforward manner .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grK43Poye1U >From: "Mark Smart" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Joe Pass-like looping rendition of Autumn Leaves (on YouTube) >Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 20:52:47 -0600 > >Wow, very cool clip...a man after my own heart! I was just jamming with a >friend >at the music store on jazz tunes today and we played this tune. > >Okay, this is going to be a long post... > >I like to do the walking bass + chords thing and have been working on it >for >many years. The guy in the clip is REALLY good at it, I'm impressed. BTW, >that >guitar is the Ibanez Pat Metheny, great guitar. > >There are a lot of different approaches. Jack Grassel has a whole book >about it >called "Big Ax". His approach uses a LOT of notes, playing the bass line >with >the pick and then using three fingers to play all three-note chords above >the >bass line. > >When I started working on this in about 1990, I first did everything with >the >pick, and then switched to all fingers to make it easier to play the chords >on >offbeats, just like in the video. But I would almost always play 2 chord >hits >per bar. Over the years I've gone to playing fewer and fewer chord hits, >because >it's less awkward, and you don't really need them. Like a lot of the time >I'll >only play a chord when the chord changes. It's a lot more important to have >a >good bass line that swings, so I don't restrict playing the bass notes to >just >the thumb. > >I started out playing 4 and 5 note chords, but then reduced them to "shell >voicings", which are chords with just root-3rd-7th or root-3rd-6th of the >chord. >Then you can get good voice leading by letting the chord notes descend in >small >steps while the bass line moves around. That sounds really nice. Like, >here's a >tab for the beginning of a blues in Bb (look at this in Courier font if it >doesn't look right): > > Bb7 Eb7 Bb7 Fm7 Bb7 Eb7 >----------------------------------------------------- >----------------------------------------------------- >--7-----------6-----------7-----------8-----7------6- etc >--6-----------5-----------6-----------6-----6------5- >-----5--8--7--6--------------5--6--7--8---------7--6- >--6--------------3--4--5--6--------------7--6-------- > > >The bass line moves around but the chord tones are all on the middle 2 >strings. >The 3rd of one chord moves to the 7th of the next, and vice versa. This >shows >the chord tones hitting at the same time as the bass, but you can displace >them, >like this: > > Bb7 Eb7 >--------------------------------------- >--------------------------------------- >-----7------------------6-------------- >-----6------------------5-------------- >--------5---8---7---6------------------ >--6------------------------3---4---5--- > > > >Bb7 Fm7 Bb7 Eb7 >---------------------------------------------- >---------------------------------------------- >7----------------8------------7---------6----- etc >6----------------6------------6---------5----- >------5---6---7------8---------------7------6- >6--------------------------7-----6------------ > >On the last few chords, the chord tones come before the bass note, which >sounds >pretty cool. > >Then I started adding TECHNOLOGY (shudder) to it, and got the hexaphonic >Copeland pickup and the octave divider. There is a short clip on my page >here of >me doing this kind comping on a "Bird Blues" with this setup: > >http://tinyurl.com/23ehcx > >Then I added a Boss Loop Station. Then another Loop Station to play back >drum >loops. Then an Echoplex! Pretty soon I had this monstrosity: > >http://tinyurl.com/yonu6s > >What's weird is that I hardly ever use walking bass plus chords for >looping, >because now I like to play block chord solos, and the chord tones in >Walking >Bass + Chords get in the way when you try to solo like that. But I use it >when I >am accompanying someone else playing a single note solo. > >Chapman Stick lends itself to this kind of comping even better than the >guitar >does, so I've worked on that, too: > >http://www.marksmart.net/instruments/stick/BluesNoodling/noodling.html > >But I still mainly do it with the guitar since I'm much better at it on >guitar >than Stick. > >Hope this helps, since I've been obsessing about this for a long time. > >Mark Smart >http://www.marksmart.net/ > _________________________________________________________________ >From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards® http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 16:50:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E9CB3BEC2; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:50:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--972890825 Message-Id: <06BF1DE8-3752-4660-B7E4-CB1892A134E9@finleysound.com> From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: a VERY early demo Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 08:50:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:50:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--972890825 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Phill, I think you've got something here. As you refine the tracks, leave =20 some of the raw/unpolished feel as I think it will make the song more =20= compelling. I heard a more dynamic ending...with more clashing/=20 chaotic guitar work. But, what do I know!?!?! Keep us posted as =20 things develop. Nice vocals, too. Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com On Feb 3, 2007, at 8:17 PM, phill wilson wrote: > > Hi there all, well I have finally emerged from a long time in the =20 > creative wastelands... > > I have been writing down odd lines for months and months in =20 > seperate word documents and today I finally felt inspired enough to =20= > paste them all into one uber document!! What do you know some of =20 > the lines actually rhyme and kind of for a narative. I only got as =20 > far as the first verse and i began singing a melody. I took this =20 > over to the guitar stuff and fiddled with some notes with a simlpe =20 > beat. it started getting good so i began again and clicked my =20 > recorder on...the file Im showing you all hee is THAT track no =20 > fiddling around and to be honest no previous direction so i hope =20 > you will forgive that it is somewhat rough .. i sang the lines i =20 > had onto another track straight after again with no second takes I =20 > know that all the stuff kind of kicks in in the wong places and =20 > theres probably better patches for the individual layers but I was =20 > sooo happy to have finally written something after such a long =20 > time, i just had to put it straight to a WAV file and send a link =20 > to you all, here it is > > http://rapidshare.com/files/14790245/plans_by_Myonemanband.wav.html > > I hope you enjoy listening to it, I am going to go back to evolving =20= > the song further with more words a second verse at least and better =20= > timing for the layers but would love to hear anyones ideas of what =20 > I could add in etc. > > Yours in happiness > > Phill Myonemanband (formerly blackface) > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Hotmail is evolving =96 check out the new Windows Live Mail =20 > http://ideas.live.com > > --Apple-Mail-2--972890825 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Phill,

I think you've got = something here.=A0 As you refine the tracks, leave some of the = raw/unpolished feel as I think it will make the song more compelling.=A0 = I heard a more dynamic ending...with more clashing/chaotic guitar work.=A0= But, what do I know!?!?!=A0 Keep us posted as things = develop.

Nice = vocals, too.

Matt

---

King Never

http://www.kingnever.com

=

On Feb 3, 2007, at 8:17 PM, phill wilson = wrote:


Hi there all, well I have finally emerged from a = long time in the creative wastelands...

I have been = writing down odd lines for months and months in seperate word documents = and today I finally felt inspired enough to paste them all into one uber = document!! What do you know some of the lines actually rhyme and kind of = for a narative. I only got as far as the first verse and i began singing = a melody. I took this over to the guitar stuff and fiddled with some = notes with a simlpe beat. it started getting good so i began again and = clicked my recorder on...the file Im showing you all hee is THAT track = no fiddling around and to be honest no previous direction so i hope you = will forgive that it is somewhat rough .. i sang the lines i had onto = another track straight after again with no second takes I know that all = the stuff kind of kicks in in the wong places and theres probably better = patches for the individual layers but I was sooo happy to have finally = written something after such a long time, i just had to put it straight = to a WAV file and send a link to you all, here it is


I hope you enjoy listening to it, I am going to go = back to evolving the song further with more words a second verse at = least and better timing for the layers but would love to hear anyones = ideas of what I could add in etc.

Yours in happiness

Phill = Myonemanband (formerly blackface)

MSN Hotmail is evolving =96 check out the new = Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com


=

= --Apple-Mail-2--972890825-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 16:57:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E10E3BEC7; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:57:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 12:01:31 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: OT: Memorizing jazz chords In-reply-to: <9e0440a60702031432t613ed982w6a8a076df451ae64@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c7487e$1e6a4a70$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_FEZxQrs1pGrlue3BcHVYkA)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-eRcJD.A.U5H.UChxFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:57:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_FEZxQrs1pGrlue3BcHVYkA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Caio and best to everyone - Warren nice to hear your words again. Thanks, Jim. I've been keeping an eye on the list, but mainly I've been off blogging about the process of memorizing jazz tunes, which is my project du jour (the memorizing, not so much the blogging - that's kind of incidental to the process): warrensirota.com/blog. (I'm new to blogs. It seems like you have to read this from the bottom to the top if you want it in posting sequence). BTW, if anyone cares to educate me on what I should be doing or not doing with this blog, I'd welcome the info. I'm pretty clueless about it. Right now, I'm just logging these entries with the thought that maybe someday it'll be the basis of a music book, and hoping for a bit of feedback. Warren http://www.warrensirota.com/Blog/default.aspx --Boundary_(ID_FEZxQrs1pGrlue3BcHVYkA) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
 
 
Caio and best to everyone - Warren nice to hear your words again.
 
 
Thanks, Jim. I've been keeping an eye on the list, but mainly I've been off blogging about the process of memorizing jazz tunes, which is my project du jour (the memorizing, not so much the blogging - that's kind of incidental to the process): warrensirota.com/blog. (I'm new to blogs. It seems like you have to read this from the bottom to the top if you want it in posting sequence).
 
BTW, if anyone cares to educate me on what I should be doing or not doing with this blog, I'd welcome the info. I'm pretty clueless about it. Right now, I'm just logging these entries with the thought that maybe someday it'll be the basis of a music book, and hoping for a bit of feedback.
 
Warren
--Boundary_(ID_FEZxQrs1pGrlue3BcHVYkA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 17:15:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70EE13BEDA; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45C614B0.50005@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 11:15:28 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Memorizing jazz chords References: <000001c7487e$1e6a4a70$0302a8c0@Lightning> In-Reply-To: <000001c7487e$1e6a4a70$0302a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Warren, very cool blog, I've just read a few of the entries but it's very interesting. I feel kinda the same about jazz, where I've worked at playing it for years (including formal study in music school) but when playing with "true jazz" players, I feel out of my element, outclassed. Reading your blog is inspiring me to get out the Real Book again. The blog is very well-written, with a nice balance of technical harmony and insight. The only thing I'd suggest is to be consistent with linking to the tunes you mention, for instance you have an entry on Miles' "Solar", and sometimes link to that entry and sometimes not. Links all over the place makes a blog seem more lively, much like Wikipedia. On memorization techniques, I've just read an excellent book written by Bob Harris, who is a big Jeopardy champion, called "Prisoner of Trebekistan". Though the book wanders all over the place between Jeopardy games, life philosophy and some very funny stuff, he talks in some detail about memorization techniques that he used for the games. It's a great read. compulsively, I must link: *http://tinyurl.com/2ncafz* I love "Solar", especially when I found that's the piece inscribed on Miles' gravestone. cheers, Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Thanks, Jim. I've been keeping an eye on the list, but mainly I've > been off blogging about the process of memorizing jazz tunes, which is > my project du jour (the memorizing, not so much the blogging - that's > kind of incidental to the process): warrensirota.com/blog. (I'm new to > blogs. It seems like you have to read this from the bottom to the top > if you want it in posting sequence). > > BTW, if anyone cares to educate me on what I should be doing or not > doing with this blog, I'd welcome the info. I'm pretty clueless about > it. Right now, I'm just logging these entries with the thought that > maybe someday it'll be the basis of a music book, and hoping for a bit > of feedback. > > Warren > http://www.warrensirota.com/Blog/default.aspx > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.24/668 - Release Date: 2/4/2007 1:30 AM > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 17:24:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AC843BECD; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45C616C7.4080408@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 11:24:23 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Memorizing jazz chords References: <000001c7487e$1e6a4a70$0302a8c0@Lightning> <45C614B0.50005@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <45C614B0.50005@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Urp, sorry about not only posting the million-character link, but posting the tinyURL all wrong. http://tinyurl.com/2ncafz* *Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com* * > On memorization techniques, I've just read an excellent book written > by Bob Harris, who is a big Jeopardy champion, called "Prisoner of > Trebekistan". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 22:54:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1DC23BECC; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 23:54:04 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hattler almost loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:54:06 +0000 (UTC) I just came across this video of one of my favourite bass players... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_VF35Wa2iA Is playing to a delay also considered looping? I think yes, the loop is just played once... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 05:05:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65C773BEC2; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 05:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45C6BB29.5050706@servingpeace.com> Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 21:05:45 -0800 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: name that chord References: <514651.35159.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01D78D55-4F6C-4BD0-A7AD-5CF39C877C7A@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <01D78D55-4F6C-4BD0-A7AD-5CF39C877C7A@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 05:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Teddy wrote: > G-A-B-D-E can be > G6/9 > A7sus4/9 > Bm11/b6 > Dsus4 6/9 > Em11 > > if you put that over a C melodic minor (C-D-Eb-F-G-A-B) bass line I > think you'd have quite the upper extension party with the minor > 3rd, major 3rd and major 2nd all rubbing against each other. > > Basically it would be a Cminor/maj 7/6 with an added major 3rd for extra > oomph. > this one doesn't fit into any conventional chord symbol since you have 3 > half steps in row there with the D, D# and E all rubbing against each > other. Exactly. That would be a cluster, not a "chord". "chords" are built in thirds (in traditional western theory). The only way your chord tones above qualify as a "chord" as built from the root in thirds (assuming no other notes are used) would be a G13 chord like this: G B D A E 1 3 5 9 13 The 7 (F) and the 11 (C) are the missing steps that aren't being shown/played. In the case of a Cminor bass line the Eb could be used as a passing tone between D and E, but would otherwise cause a conflicting sound or "dissonance" with its neighbors D and E. The E natural in the chord really puts you in CMajor instead of Cminor. - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 05:22:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 040D33BECA; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 05:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:thread-index:x-mimeole:message-id; b=AbDFRbdyBvCyddxSJDMcSu2uuHAkZSSCU8va4x0+38C+Gt9aXKqHhvemCHppCmuiGCpDv5nCEEU6Cz3IbuenHdPEquvS9l4rOS/AL5fiZfoTI6xHO/kc9iKWVeqLWCbtkquDxzfoYPlGh7C9m8kZyoyVe2ciIj+89H7V9CbAaT8= Reply-To: From: "Miles Ward" To: Subject: RE: name that chord Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:22:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <45C6BB29.5050706@servingpeace.com> Thread-Index: AcdI41Jd/ctbzN1sQ5Cy0E5RWPMjdgAAed5w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-ID: <45c6bf0b.7422beab.132f.6895@mx.google.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 05:22:21 +0000 (UTC) I am simultaneously intensely impressed with the music theory mastery of the folks on this list, and my own heinous lack of it. This is what I get for probably being the only Tuba player on the Loopers list. Come on, I get confused on which of my three buttons to push... Cheers :) -Miles -----Original Message----- From: Sam Nilsson [mailto:sam@servingpeace.com] Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 9:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: name that chord Teddy wrote: > G-A-B-D-E can be > G6/9 > A7sus4/9 > Bm11/b6 > Dsus4 6/9 > Em11 > > if you put that over a C melodic minor (C-D-Eb-F-G-A-B) bass line I > think you'd have quite the upper extension party with the minor > 3rd, major 3rd and major 2nd all rubbing against each other. > > Basically it would be a Cminor/maj 7/6 with an added major 3rd for extra > oomph. > this one doesn't fit into any conventional chord symbol since you have 3 > half steps in row there with the D, D# and E all rubbing against each > other. Exactly. That would be a cluster, not a "chord". "chords" are built in thirds (in traditional western theory). The only way your chord tones above qualify as a "chord" as built from the root in thirds (assuming no other notes are used) would be a G13 chord like this: G B D A E 1 3 5 9 13 The 7 (F) and the 11 (C) are the missing steps that aren't being shown/played. In the case of a Cminor bass line the Eb could be used as a passing tone between D and E, but would otherwise cause a conflicting sound or "dissonance" with its neighbors D and E. The E natural in the chord really puts you in CMajor instead of Cminor. - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 07:03:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6115C3BECC; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qF8EcheEaA+w/hjLzlWmNL32HjC6eNujC5Uzg7mS1BIvxmMOz0EXXyte9EyWSnGXoPtKAXdj3GpqQYYk9uohb8i/0AnPzkxZTiKZYcOKUmccNCZJX4b2djX8Ktvrlo9dxezW5Xsy0+iA8NtznnJGmAtIneTJdH/K9np0EwUVKDM= ; Message-ID: <20070205070332.93866.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PjMH7EsVM1nfhj8kA.u_50nZzE7jx4ygRNc7tT.USrHhoL9_J1kCJue7DfY4apqa4s8Yd2nvKo_1WIX_A2_eX1FZG_xpe_kDvgyw_eWAj.8i_2roZL_5rcmM_MYbKMyydtiyG0ASFaP5dH4- Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 23:03:32 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:03:35 +0000 (UTC) I don't care if he's looping or not, that was bad ass. That's the kind of performance that got me into exploring the idea of looping in the first place. --- Stefan Tiedje wrote: > I just came across this video of one of my favourite > bass players... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_VF35Wa2iA > > Is playing to a delay also considered looping? > I think yes, the loop is just played once... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 08:52:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10EAE3BEB8; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:52:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tvJ3/uwYLI0RI16ttkitQEY2Wi6upIyolOe2suM95PE3ivKleX7Xmj4+1fbkFqBzSzzrP2Aep0WJ0B2Ionh4tSH4AgYUTx0sFKnPQNr4l5Gsd1+N8Xv+0FEQ+TEN+IwtMTS9/k+ANjoPGQ76MjvpayQubYjxMW+krX7HFVDQCqI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> References: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <08B33FD4-0FBC-469F-B332-D48869DD6548@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:52:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:52:06 +0000 (UTC) On 4 feb 2007, at 23.54, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > I just came across this video of one of my favourite bass players... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_VF35Wa2iA > > Is playing to a delay also considered looping? > I think yes, the loop is just played once... Yes, I too think it is "looping" when you play with feedback set to 0, as in that video. I use to practice like that sometimes, and the hardest challenge is to think fast enough to go through chord changes. You always have to play something that fits with what you played in the last round AND that will also be fitting with were you will go on the next round. So you can't do drastic changes, you have to "morph" lines into each other. Harmonic improvisation with that setting works like a mountain climber; you move one leg, then you move one arm, then you move the next limb etc etc. Never able to move two limbs, just one at a time - each move building on the last move as well as making a good foundation for the next move. A similar way of playing is when you are using reverse function in a looper. You play one round of the loop, hit reverse, and then play together with your old, now reversed, playing . This too brings the challenge of "multi directional" thinking, since you need to sometimes reverse your imagined lines to make them work. Great fun and also tremendously frustrating at times ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 09:04:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B85383BED9; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1170665620.45c6f094413e8@webmail.m3ch.net> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 02:53:40 -0600 From: Mech To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar to Miscellaneous Music boxes References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 211.9.155.130 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Quoting "Dean, Hal" : > > I've been thinking about starting to use a RMC fanout box to split > strings into separate signal paths.... > > Surely others have done this. Anyone seen something similar? Hal, I've certainly thought about it. I've started throwing GK's on a lot of different axes, and I'll probably get a fanout eventually but it's a bit down the priority list right now. There is one guy I've seen post over on the Stickwire list who has a 12-string Grand Stick with two GK-2a's installed, and he uses a fanout to breakout the Bass side and process each string separately. Unfortunately, my email laptop melted (literally) last week, and all those details are trapped in an archive on a hard drive the other side of a dead logic board. Sorry for the scant help, but at least you know you're not alone. :( FWIW, I've been a bit obnoxious on the VG-8 mailing list with pushing some feature requests up the chain for the upcoming VG-99. One of these is for the USB feed into a computer to break the strings out into six individual channels, which would do exactly what you're talking about sans the RMC Fanout. Let's keep our fingers crossed.... --m. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 10:57:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A08443BED6; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.248.48] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <06BF1DE8-3752-4660-B7E4-CB1892A134E9@finleysound.com> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a VERY early demo Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:57:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2007 10:57:05.0913 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FD22690:01C74914] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi Matt thanks very much for your input here. >I think you've got something here. As you refine the tracks, leave some >of the raw/unpolished feel hehe no worry about that, once you have put my crappy guitar through my noisy pedals and into my nasty lofi recorder ;)... i know what you mean though, there are some sounds on this demo while picked relativly at random that i find very listenable. I heard a more dynamic ending...with more >clashing/ chaotic guitar work. Yup not a bad idea, at the moment I am working on a way to spin the whole thing into reverse at the end for a big cinimatic outro, but i have to make sure I can do this live , while singing etc..I feel very strongly about that , i never do stuff in recordings i cant pull off live. Keep us >posted as things develop. > will do >Nice vocals, too. > aww ta very much mate, it was late at night and the rest of the family where in bed so i kind of half whispered it, i really like how that sounded, may take that on more on other tracks Phill Myonemanband _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 10:59:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A18913BEE1; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000b01c74914$cb3525e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: tube preamp blowout Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 03:00:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:59:11 +0000 (UTC) I just saw that Musicians Friend is blowing out ART tube preamps for the ridiculous price of $30 right now. That's ridiculously cheap for an A12 tube preamp to warm up practically anything you want to loop These puppies have line and mic inputs and outputs, a VU meter and phantom power. $30? That's just stupid cheap! yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 11:19:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58EEF3BED6; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tDXRE0nswuMEZ7GRBMj95+8YpNfPOmunw4ldQGdv3JOgAlLgYTlpt4t/my9TYBo5SnJgyW06pA1BtiwhqPCpjfhdgVsMvtukxpGjYTHCCgZERKTmvXhD4yxxFOdo1R+vid26PjhavUGbUOnndMe0it8y3Ncs59/Ymsj7hy483Zc=; X-YMail-OSG: h6hS8EsVM1l4kvxOagI00rg7fU7db_MlJc_gTEJshPvyyhXz.NMD0mZC0X77.ipi43arVAS3gzYqQaZoAbT45WHww0Npcv_cI2KVojgcy_EJ_sT1M3q0GCHRfw5U0WlVGdNHo36w03i2gn0- Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 03:19:17 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: OT: tube preamp blowout To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c74914$cb3525e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <470826.46635.qm@web34808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Please, no more temptation! They got me last week with their $599 Gibson Baritone Les Paul. :) John --- RICK WALKER wrote: > I just saw that Musicians Friend is blowing out > ART tube preamps for the ridiculous price of > $30 right now. > > That's ridiculously cheap for an A12 tube preamp to > warm up > practically anything you want to loop > > These puppies have line and mic inputs and outputs, > a VU meter > and phantom power. $30? That's just stupid > cheap! > > yours, Rick Walker > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 11:33:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02C2D3BEE1; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sPGsd7xsUYNZYuCBFGd5tIHB/RR1K0g9KOUNAJv5/yT0lKmqM9y+xBNZBZPPAeAH8lzmPSWIVSrhEDm/nIQuM4vQrD2J1PhwEehd8k7IHjaMCkfDnt5W/UQJlfZWYWBiD56wi7sdZGSFVK52BXnKBbTIKHe7Jf2A5V/mWgp1mwE= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:33:07 +0100 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: tube preamp blowout In-Reply-To: <470826.46635.qm@web34808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16536_1504108.1170675187352" References: <000b01c74914$cb3525e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <470826.46635.qm@web34808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0mf5QC.A.VOD.1XxxFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:33:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16536_1504108.1170675187352 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Art tube pre's are great, been using it for accoustic guitars for years Arne Skage 2007/2/5, John Tidwell : > > Please, no more temptation! > > They got me last week with their $599 Gibson Baritone > Les Paul. > > :) > > John > --- RICK WALKER wrote: > > > I just saw that Musicians Friend is blowing out > > ART tube preamps for the ridiculous price of > > $30 right now. > > > > That's ridiculously cheap for an A12 tube preamp to > > warm up > > practically anything you want to loop > > > > These puppies have line and mic inputs and outputs, > > a VU meter > > and phantom power. $30? That's just stupid > > cheap! > > > > yours, Rick Walker > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > TV dinner still cooling? > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > -- Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_Part_16536_1504108.1170675187352 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Art tube pre's are great, been using it for accoustic guitars for years
Arne  Skage

2007/2/5, John Tidwell <wedgehed@yahoo.com>:
Please, no more temptation!

They got me last week with their $599 Gibson Baritone
Les Paul.

:)

John
--- RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

> I just saw that Musicians Friend is blowing out
> ART tube preamps for the ridiculous price of
> $30 right now.
>
> That's ridiculously cheap for an A12 tube preamp to
> warm up
> practically anything you want to loop
>
> These puppies have line and mic inputs and outputs,
> a VU meter
> and phantom power.   $30?     That's just stupid
> cheap!
>
> yours, Rick Walker
>
>




____________________________________________________________________________________
TV dinner still cooling?
Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
http://tv.yahoo.com/




--
Arne R. Skage jr.

91157204
arne@skage.com
www.skage.com ------=_Part_16536_1504108.1170675187352-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 11:47:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 999283BEE1; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:47:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAManxkXUSnInh2dsb2JhbACOSQEBCA4qkDYBAQGBDQ Message-ID: <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:36:32 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops References: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:47:36 +0000 (UTC) Stefan Tiedje wrote: > I just came across this video of one of my favourite bass players... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_VF35Wa2iA > > Is playing to a delay also considered looping? > I think yes, the loop is just played once... > > Stefan > Does anyone perceive the playing here to be hideously out of time? (this is something I got interested in lately) andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 12:48:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAEDC3BECD; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> References: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:47:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:48:05 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 5, 2007, at 6:36 AM, andy butler wrote: > Stefan Tiedje wrote: >> I just came across this video of one of my favourite bass players... >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_VF35Wa2iA >> >> Is playing to a delay also considered looping? >> I think yes, the loop is just played once... >> >> Stefan >> > Does anyone perceive the playing here to be hideously out of time? > (this is something I got interested in lately) > > andybutler he is indeed rushing quite a bit... I don't know if hideous fits. One man's hideous is another man's pretty after all. That being said, this clip absolutely horrible to my taste. I suppose his sunglasses are nice. teddy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 12:51:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33E663BEDA; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:51:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> References: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <223D5490-96DC-4726-9456-86D078742711@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Jaco really loops Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:51:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: <-_GbaC.A.CKF.ShyxFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:51:31 +0000 (UTC) how about this for looping pioneers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj_WQ9klf1s Teddy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 13:36:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F6373BEE1; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.248.48] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <82068.94106.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: a very early demo Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:36:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2007 13:36:23.0169 (UTC) FILETIME=[A063AF10:01C7492A] Resent-Message-ID: <5WtjI.A.4eG.YLzxFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bill thanks for taking the time to listen and comment on my stuff. I totally take on board what you say not putting oneself down, paticularly in the live arena where persona and confidence matter so much ( I already figured this was something i would need to work on a lot as I do come across as a lil bumbling live) ... however in the context of my mail, I was basically using my desription as a "quality control" tool. I didnt want any people here to go away thinking I consider this level of recording to be part of my "output" maybe i should have summarised under the term "work in progress" and left it at that. anyways onto the explaination... hehe, heres where my lack of musical knowlage shows through in all its glory... I was moving between two chords and began tapping a beat out that worked , kind of had a Postal Sevice feel to it so i thought it might suit some "electronic" sounding treatments to i played some stuff that would work ni reverse. after that to be honest it was a case of going through existing patches that where written for a very differant song and kind of just making a go of it. Im now thinking that the main picked notes would sound good with a very low end viberato effect and a fair amount of reverb(if you have ever heard the song Roads by Portishead...thats the idea) thanks again for listening Phill MyOneManBand > NEVER make excuses or apologetic comments about your >muzik!!!I have managed stages at street festivals and >county fairs for decades and heard this a lot. ON >STAGE!!! IN FRONT OF REAL POEPLE!!! Better to say," >here is a rough demo of something I've been >composing/working on and was suddenly inspired to put >it to tape(disc, mp3,what-have-you). Your muzik is >good no matter what, because it is YOUR MUZIK! If >people don't like it, what the hey, there's bound to >be a bunch that will. Please do not take this as >critisising or such, Your sounds are special and >making explanations is insecurity. YOU ARE A MUSICIAN! >I would, however, recomend a short description of how >it was done, but wthout apologies. >Rig > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a PS3 game guru. >Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! >Games. >http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 > _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 13:44:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E5F23BEE1; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003001c7492b$c4edab00$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:44:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 X-Provags-ID2: V01U2FsdGVkX19pEdQeVLgfyJ7WvrFQ8JzMXqBoJyBbRxyoOG3IoyBs0B280PSXRXF0D75FaoryMjfP6JKh9E+0/9QO8626lhu9ByjYhKnEfvUrBvRXIBNZuYfYfJj/oX4P Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:44:18 +0000 (UTC) well, even mr. hattler gets some timing problems when sitting like that... tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" To: Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:36 PM Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops > Stefan Tiedje wrote: > > I just came across this video of one of my favourite bass players... > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_VF35Wa2iA > > > > Is playing to a delay also considered looping? > > I think yes, the loop is just played once... > > > > Stefan > > > Does anyone perceive the playing here to be hideously out of time? > (this is something I got interested in lately) > > andybutler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 14:27:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 267B33BEE4; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5rljKuSbhqaNbfAet4wop4E32KxK9ULDxUrlOu6P1QcCbizFxlgIPBdpOPm8c1BvD4ud8VcrwUv9mQGj8EDX3zoHn+oSvMLUdgvvgm0Zs1EvpRvX2GUZ1vFf1vTfzOs7fSh3Vve81cAfqCG5M2UtqS8QflPgEbo/bAJdab62s+c= ; Message-ID: <20070205142740.20370.qmail@web34315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: vpmdKGYVM1npD5Ih0nARFE9QKWjtiQQtyndnuQjnO0JHo_72Rlsqaxb_toPcCVCMbWUl_k0aKaXdX..NucNwAMhy4S9NEQHXmMv4C_oiI80TOfpKi8bezAjlg4dZ7ux7leSlpr.qk5qYTfQ- Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 06:27:40 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:27:42 +0000 (UTC) It sounded on purpose to me, I thought he was playing with the syncopation and creating different rhythmic patterns by futzing with the timing. --- andy butler wrote: > Stefan Tiedje wrote: > > I just came across this video of one of my > favourite bass players... > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_VF35Wa2iA > > > > Is playing to a delay also considered looping? > > I think yes, the loop is just played once... > > > > Stefan > > > Does anyone perceive the playing here to be > hideously out of time? > (this is something I got interested in lately) > > andybutler > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 14:35:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 593F23BEE8; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070205142740.20370.qmail@web34315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070205142740.20370.qmail@web34315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:35:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:35:35 +0000 (UTC) hmmmm.... I can't agree with that. I think he's just rushing like a schoolgirl. but that's just me. I think we should call him up and ask him, "hey dude, were you rushing on that youtube video?" Teddy On Feb 5, 2007, at 9:27 AM, Brian Kupferschmid wrote: > It sounded on purpose to me, I thought he was playing > with the syncopation and creating different rhythmic > patterns by futzing with the timing. > --- andy butler wrote: >> Does anyone perceive the playing here to be >> hideously out of time? >> (this is something I got interested in lately) >> >> andybutler > >> Stefan Tiedje wrote: >>> I just came across this video of one of my >> favourite bass players... >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_VF35Wa2iA >>> >>> Is playing to a delay also considered looping? >>> I think yes, the loop is just played once... >>> >>> Stefan >>> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 14:44:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91B313BEF0; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Nw/lcRBfnF3m3y+uy4u6n4pi2vnkuMtBUYv3gzTHdHJDAv2rRcaau0AgNK8ZfHLMf7DLjjJZWIzrBI3MjT4Y5YWy/pxI0OrrV5XjL3F7n2A3wi9w1JiZE1zNxdR32VUERjeEgobzsw8NHG059dTLclhWKGrYfB0REZk+rTCXy2g= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <223D5490-96DC-4726-9456-86D078742711@mac.com> References: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> <223D5490-96DC-4726-9456-86D078742711@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <95CD65D5-14ED-4F66-BAF8-2D812BDFFA7F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Jaco really loops Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:44:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:44:57 +0000 (UTC) On 5 feb 2007, at 13.51, Teddy wrote: > how about this for looping pioneers > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj_WQ9klf1s I saw him do that live once. Nice knowing that someone caught it on film! per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 15:05:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 246A33BEF3; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--892842032 Message-Id: <1c102629b8e67dc37559a03265de31bd@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:04:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <4oNzUB.A.5rB.be0xFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:05:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--892842032 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed My reply on Mr Hattler's playing? Steve Lawson. And Mike Manring. It brings to mind the name of that cool King Crimson record... what was it???? Ah! 'Discipline'! But, my hat's off to all who court the muse! And I really mean that. But, as Wilson Pickett once so wisely said, "Ninety nine and a half just won't do!" I think Mr Hattler, like so many of us including me, have to do the hard labor to get that last half percent. He certainly could! But it can take years... OR it can happen in the blink of an eye. That's pretty rare though. I think it was Carl Jung who said, "Many reach the grail castle, but most fall through the trick trap door just at the entrance." I know I have a million times. It's all about practice, rehearsal, recording and critically listening to what we do without rosy glasses on and without negative glasses on - to just honestly evaluate what we do and fix the blems. Perfection is the enemy of the good... but that doesn't mean we stop striving. I don't think his bass playing has reached the state of grace. Fortunately, that's okay. I wouldn't discourage or disparage it. I'd say the same thing to him that I say to myself, "Keep going! You're SO close!!!" I believe that music, when it's in that state of grace, can shift the world up a notch. I and many others wanna see the world shift up a notch. So I support all who try and encourage those who think they're 'there' to keep going! Keep going! Keep going! Shift it WAY up! Go Mr Hattler! I have faith in you richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 5-Feb-07, at 4:47 AM, Teddy wrote: > On Feb 5, 2007, at 6:36 AM, andy butler wrote: > >> Stefan Tiedje wrote: >>> I just came across this video of one of my favourite bass players... >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_VF35Wa2iA >>> >>> Is playing to a delay also considered looping? >>> I think yes, the loop is just played once... >>> >>> Stefan >>> >> Does anyone perceive the playing here to be hideously out of time? >> (this is something I got interested in lately) >> >> andybutler > > he is indeed rushing quite a bit... I don't know if hideous fits. One > man's hideous is another man's pretty after all. > > That being said, this clip absolutely horrible to my taste. > > I suppose his sunglasses are nice. > > teddy > --Apple-Mail-2--892842032 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII My reply on Mr Hattler's playing? Steve Lawson. And Mike Manring. It brings to mind the name of that cool King Crimson record... what was it???? Ah! 'Discipline'! But, my hat's off to all who court the muse! And I really mean that. But, as Wilson Pickett once so wisely said, "Ninety nine and a half just won't do!" I think Mr Hattler, like so many of us including me, have to do the hard labor to get that last half percent. He certainly could! But it can take years... OR it can happen in the blink of an eye. That's pretty rare though. I think it was Carl Jung who said, "Many reach the grail castle, but most fall through the trick trap door just at the entrance." I know I have a million times. It's all about practice, rehearsal, recording and critically listening to what we do without rosy glasses on and without negative glasses on - to just honestly evaluate what we do and fix the blems. Perfection is the enemy of the good... but that doesn't mean we stop striving. I don't think his bass playing has reached the state of grace. Fortunately, that's okay. I wouldn't discourage or disparage it. I'd say the same thing to him that I say to myself, "Keep going! You're SO close!!!" I believe that music, when it's in that state of grace, can shift the world up a notch. I and many others wanna see the world shift up a notch. So I support all who try and encourage those who think they're 'there' to keep going! Keep going! Keep going! Shift it WAY up! Go Mr Hattler! I have faith in you Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 5-Feb-07, at 4:47 AM, Teddy wrote: On Feb 5, 2007, at 6:36 AM, andy butler wrote: Stefan Tiedje wrote: I just came across this video of one of my favourite bass players... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_VF35Wa2iA Is playing to a delay also considered looping? I think yes, the loop is just played once... Stefan Does anyone perceive the playing here to be hideously out of time? (this is something I got interested in lately) andybutler he is indeed rushing quite a bit... I don't know if hideous fits. One man's hideous is another man's pretty after all. That being said, this clip absolutely horrible to my taste. I suppose his sunglasses are nice. teddy --Apple-Mail-2--892842032-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 15:05:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E85F03BEF7; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <95CD65D5-14ED-4F66-BAF8-2D812BDFFA7F@gmail.com> References: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> <223D5490-96DC-4726-9456-86D078742711@mac.com> <95CD65D5-14ED-4F66-BAF8-2D812BDFFA7F@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6C12E154-317C-4F78-8C59-B8CD9434338B@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: Jaco really loops Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:05:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:05:17 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 5, 2007, at 9:44 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 5 feb 2007, at 13.51, Teddy wrote: > >> how about this for looping pioneers >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj_WQ9klf1s > > I saw him do that live once. Nice knowing that someone caught it on > film! > > per > That's from the Joni Mitchell "Shadows and Light" dvd, I think he used to come to my school in 83/84 and make a scene, play basketball, steal people's instruments and jam. pretty funny guy. teddy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 15:34:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C10143BEE9; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <1c102629b8e67dc37559a03265de31bd@glasswing.com> References: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> <1c102629b8e67dc37559a03265de31bd@glasswing.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-32--891053338 Message-Id: <027C78E4-7FFB-44E0-AC4F-4E8A354B87D5@mac.com> From: Teddy Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:34:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:34:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-32--891053338 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed ya, I suppose I'm a bit of a snob for saying that he's rushing. one man's snob is a another's truth seeker. Your Zen attitude is far more compassionate and positive. I hope Mr. Hattler gets in the gate with getting his feet bit off by piranhas too. I also think discernment is a necessary part of a musician's discussion and if our fellow musicians can't tell he's rushing, I'm here to help them see it. if Mr. Hattler rushed on purpose, then yeehaw for him. I don't have to like the result though. of course, sometimes it IS cool to rush. perfection is not the goal at all. to me maximum personality and soul are the goal. As Jack Nicholson said in the movie "Withces of Eastwick", "Passion is nothing without precision" And it's all so subjective. Teddy On Feb 5, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Richard Sales wrote: > So I support all who try and encourage those who think they're > 'there' to keep going! Keep going! Keep going! Shift it WAY up! > > Go Mr Hattler! I have faith in you > > richard sales --Apple-Mail-32--891053338 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 ya, I suppose I'm a bit of a = snob for saying that he's rushing.
one man's snob is a another's = truth seeker.
Your Zen attitude is far more compassionate and = positive.

I = hope Mr. Hattler gets in the gate with getting his feet bit off = by=A0piranhas too.=A0
I also think discernment is a necessary = part of a musician's discussion and if our fellow musicians can't tell = he's rushing, I'm here to help them see it.

if Mr. Hattler rushed on = purpose, then yeehaw for him. I don't have to like the result = though.

of = course, sometimes it IS cool to rush. perfection is not the goal at = all.=A0
to me maximum personality and soul are the = goal.
As Jack Nicholson said in the movie "Withces of = Eastwick", "Passion is nothing without precision"=A0

And it's all so = subjective.

Teddy

On Feb 5, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Richard Sales wrote:

So I support all who try = and encourage those who think they're 'there' to keep going!=A0 Keep going!=A0 Keep going!=A0 Shift it WAY up! =A0


Go Mr Hattler!=A0 I = have faith in you


richard = sales


= --Apple-Mail-32--891053338-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 15:44:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FBEF3BEE7; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:44:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:43:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: looping forum set up Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <45C750BF.18852.4ADF6B@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:44:13 +0000 (UTC) I've set up a small looping forum, having looked for anything similar without luck. it's in no way intended as a rival for loopers-d, but I enjoy forums and find them easy to use. I don't envisage much traffic, but you never know. Yoo can be the 2nd member by visiting here (please leave a message!) http://looping.20.forumer.com/ It's my first forum, so things will inevitably change and develop, all/any help appreciated. Please don't jump down my neck if you already have something similar, I tried several different google searches over several days. Worst case scenario, it'll be devoted to my music and have 3 members (wife, mother, aunt) - actually, my wife probably won't join - she doesn't "get it" ;) All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 16:54:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E81A3BEDD; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:54:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <167401c74946$4a938a30$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <45C750BF.18852.4ADF6B@nick.12testing.net> Subject: Re: looping forum set up Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:54:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:54:30 +0000 (UTC) Another forum? We already have the MySpace loopers group, plus LoopMusic Yahoo group. Unless you are offering somethig that none of these have, you may be pilling more work on top of folks. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:43 AM Subject: looping forum set up > I've set up a small looping forum, having looked for anything similar > without luck. it's in no way intended as a rival for loopers-d, but I > enjoy forums and find them easy to use. I don't envisage much > traffic, but you never know. Yoo can be the 2nd member by visiting > here (please leave a message!) > > http://looping.20.forumer.com/ > > It's my first forum, so things will inevitably change and develop, > all/any help appreciated. > > Please don't jump down my neck if you already have something similar, > I tried several different google searches over several days. Worst > case scenario, it'll be devoted to my music and have 3 members > (wife, mother, aunt) - actually, my wife probably won't join - she > doesn't "get it" ;) > > > > > All the best, > > Nick Robinson > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 17:14:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 823A33BEEC; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <027C78E4-7FFB-44E0-AC4F-4E8A354B87D5@mac.com> References: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> <1c102629b8e67dc37559a03265de31bd@glasswing.com> <027C78E4-7FFB-44E0-AC4F-4E8A354B87D5@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--885087263 Message-Id: <62c11fc4afe967dc15511ba2d44b2570@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:14:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <5kaofB.A.GbG.iX2xFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:14:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--885087263 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed yeah I know. I guess it's from years of working in the studio and=20 trying to help folks who are stumbling or flat on their face. The interesting thing is what I call the Robert Johnson phenomenon. =20 Son House said he saw Robert J play at one point and he was just awful=20= - a crude beginner. Saw him not long after that and he had gone beyond=20= what any blues man had ever imagined. So I like to give folks the=20 benefit of the doubt while encouraging them to keep going. You never=20 know. Now, truth is, I'm deep into ecology etc and I HATE to see so much=20 plastic wasted on shitty records... or incomplete efforts. That's the=20= other side of me that I try to keep in check. I also really have a hard=20= time with artists who THINK they're there and they're light years off=20 of the mark. But sometimes those are the folks who are making the=20 cake. So in a way, it's a confidence game. How do you balance the need to not destroy that confidence and at the=20 same time encourage chop building? I don't know. I do know that the=20 destruction of the confidence can kill a career. At the same time,=20 dishonesty can too. I do know MANY folks should not be in such a rush to fill the dumps=20 with dud CDs. And there are literally millions of CDs destined for=20 landfill. To me, the worst thing a musician can do is hurry a project=20= out before it's done. Music is really an expression of something deep=20= and wonderful, or shallow and fun. But either way, unbaked music=20 should not be put on the table. Give it time in the oven. So I agree with you. He's Russian! Now, in Indian music it happens=20 all the time. Try to jam with an intermediate tabla player sometime=20 and see what happens. But I sense Mr Hattler's rushing doesn't have=20 anything to do with following the emotion etc. I think it's lack of=20 self reflection & evaluation and practice. I could write about this stuff forever. I love the topic. But it IS a=20= zen crossbow that can randomly fire at the target or the archer. It's taken me a while to rebuild my own confidence. I don't wanna be=20 crushed. I wanna be guided with instruction and encouraged to keep=20 going, keep working. Passion is nothing without precision. I love it! Great mantra that=20 all should repeat frequently. You did the right thing Ted. I'm just refining and putting a gentler=20 shine on your true words. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 5-Feb-07, at 7:34 AM, Teddy wrote: > ya, I suppose I'm a bit of a snob for saying that he's rushing. > one man's snob is a another's truth seeker. > Your Zen attitude is far more compassionate and positive. > > I hope Mr. Hattler gets in the gate with getting his feet bit off=20 > by=A0piranhas too.=A0 > I also think discernment is a necessary part of a musician's=20 > discussion and if our fellow musicians can't tell he's rushing, I'm=20 > here to help them see it. > > if Mr. Hattler rushed on purpose, then yeehaw for him. I don't have to=20= > like the result though. > > of course, sometimes it IS cool to rush. perfection is not the goal at=20= > all.=A0 > to me maximum personality and soul are the goal. > As Jack Nicholson said in the movie "Withces of Eastwick", "Passion is=20= > nothing without precision"=A0 > > And it's all so subjective. > > Teddy > > On Feb 5, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Richard Sales wrote: > >> So I support all who try and encourage those who think they're=20 >> 'there' to keep going! Keep going! Keep going! Shift it WAY up! >> >> Go Mr Hattler! I have faith in you >> >> richard sales= --Apple-Mail-2--885087263 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 yeah I know. I guess it's from years of working in the studio and trying to help folks who are stumbling or flat on their face.=20 The interesting thing is what I call the Robert Johnson phenomenon.=20 Son House said he saw Robert J play at one point and he was just awful - a crude beginner. Saw him not long after that and he had gone beyond what any blues man had ever imagined. So I like to give folks the benefit of the doubt while encouraging them to keep going. You never know. Now, truth is, I'm deep into ecology etc and I HATE to see so much plastic wasted on shitty records... or incomplete efforts. That's the other side of me that I try to keep in check. I also really have a hard time with artists who THINK they're there and they're light years off of the mark. But sometimes those are the folks who are making the cake. So in a way, it's a confidence game. =20 How do you balance the need to not destroy that confidence and at the same time encourage chop building? I don't know. I do know that the destruction of the confidence can kill a career. At the same time, dishonesty can too. I do know MANY folks should not be in such a rush to fill the dumps with dud CDs. And there are literally millions of CDs destined for landfill. To me, the worst thing a musician can do is hurry a project out before it's done. Music is really an expression of something deep and wonderful, or shallow and fun. But either way, unbaked music should not be put on the table. Give it time in the oven. =20 So I agree with you. He's Russian! Now, in Indian music it happens all the time. Try to jam with an intermediate tabla player sometime and see what happens. But I sense Mr Hattler's rushing doesn't have anything to do with following the emotion etc. I think it's lack of self reflection & evaluation and practice. =20 I could write about this stuff forever. I love the topic. But it IS a zen crossbow that can randomly fire at the target or the archer.=20 It's taken me a while to rebuild my own confidence. I don't wanna be crushed. I wanna be guided with instruction and encouraged to keep going, keep working. =20 Passion is nothing without precision. I love it! Great mantra that all should repeat frequently. You did the right thing Ted. I'm just refining and putting a gentler shine on your true words. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 5-Feb-07, at 7:34 AM, Teddy wrote: ya, I suppose I'm a bit of a snob for saying that he's rushing. one man's snob is a another's truth seeker. Your Zen attitude is far more compassionate and positive. I hope Mr. Hattler gets in the gate with getting his feet bit off by=A0piranhas too.=A0 I also think discernment is a necessary part of a musician's discussion and if our fellow musicians can't tell he's rushing, I'm here to help them see it. if Mr. Hattler rushed on purpose, then yeehaw for him. I don't have to like the result though. of course, sometimes it IS cool to rush. perfection is not the goal at all.=A0 to me maximum personality and soul are the goal. As Jack Nicholson said in the movie "Withces of Eastwick", "Passion is nothing without precision"=A0 And it's all so subjective. Teddy On Feb 5, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Richard Sales wrote: Lucida GrandeSo I support all who try and encourage those who think they're 'there' to keep going! Keep going! Keep going! Shift it WAY up! Lucida GrandeGo Mr Hattler! I have faith in you Lucida Granderichard = sales= --Apple-Mail-2--885087263-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 17:46:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 323613BEE8; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "Krispen Hartung" Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:46:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: looping forum set up Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <45C76D7B.26813.BB202C@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <167401c74946$4a938a30$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:46:45 +0000 (UTC) On 5 Feb 2007 at 9:54, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Another forum? We already have the MySpace loopers group, plus > LoopMusic Yahoo group. Unless you are offering somethig that none of > these have, you may be pilling more work on top of folks. True, but neither myspace (what an awful interface!) nor yahoo offer a proper threaded forum - I find them far and away the best way to read and contribute to a discussion at leisure. I subscribe to about 6 email digests and they take require far more time and effort than the forums I have joined. As I said, I don't intend it to compete with other options, but I feel it's a hole that needed filling. If it dies a death due to lack of interest, so be it! Great Jaco vid - not seen that. for another awesome bass solo (non- looping) try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRuOQtg-pJ0 All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 17:52:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DC613BEEA; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: FS: Echo Indigo io Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:52:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdJTl9QEJ9FgxKeSjO4wJG03EUtrQ== Message-Id: <20070205175225.BYWI1349.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi- Since I have no PC card slot in my new laptop, I would like to offer the Echo PC card for sale--make offer. I am the original owner, and this particular one has given me no problems. Thanks,Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 18:55:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03D163BED9; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006e01c74957$404f7500$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> <1c102629b8e67dc37559a03265de31bd@glasswing.com> <027C78E4-7FFB-44E0-AC4F-4E8A354B87D5@mac.com> <62c11fc4afe967dc15511ba2d44b2570@glasswing.com> Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:55:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01C7495F.A13D2C10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 X-Provags-ID2: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Ga3BmI5/f5kBAhLwCRvisiXyING9VCNIjxWkB28pSvsypMdS6gbUwTEvRujgXwOjR1wYCkCJ4Bx1gseZ968tNYe7NjxFaib3asTa1UAm6nGH/fq/s1HM8 Resent-Message-ID: <9UKdrC.A.MIC.o23xFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:55:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C7495F.A13D2C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable c'mon people, hattler was obviously just fooling around,=20 probably just having some fun impressing the press guy.=20 tilmann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Sales=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:14 PM Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops yeah I know. I guess it's from years of working in the studio and = trying to help folks who are stumbling or flat on their face.=20 The interesting thing is what I call the Robert Johnson phenomenon. = Son House said he saw Robert J play at one point and he was just awful - = a crude beginner. Saw him not long after that and he had gone beyond = what any blues man had ever imagined. So I like to give folks the = benefit of the doubt while encouraging them to keep going. You never = know. Now, truth is, I'm deep into ecology etc and I HATE to see so much = plastic wasted on shitty records... or incomplete efforts. That's the = other side of me that I try to keep in check. I also really have a hard = time with artists who THINK they're there and they're light years off of = the mark. But sometimes those are the folks who are making the cake. So = in a way, it's a confidence game.=20 How do you balance the need to not destroy that confidence and at the = same time encourage chop building? I don't know. I do know that the = destruction of the confidence can kill a career. At the same time, = dishonesty can too. I do know MANY folks should not be in such a rush to fill the dumps = with dud CDs. And there are literally millions of CDs destined for = landfill. To me, the worst thing a musician can do is hurry a project = out before it's done. Music is really an expression of something deep = and wonderful, or shallow and fun. But either way, unbaked music should = not be put on the table. Give it time in the oven.=20 So I agree with you. He's Russian! Now, in Indian music it happens all = the time. Try to jam with an intermediate tabla player sometime and see = what happens. But I sense Mr Hattler's rushing doesn't have anything to = do with following the emotion etc. I think it's lack of self reflection = & evaluation and practice.=20 I could write about this stuff forever. I love the topic. But it IS a = zen crossbow that can randomly fire at the target or the archer.=20 It's taken me a while to rebuild my own confidence. I don't wanna be = crushed. I wanna be guided with instruction and encouraged to keep = going, keep working.=20 Passion is nothing without precision. I love it! Great mantra that all = should repeat frequently. You did the right thing Ted. I'm just refining and putting a gentler = shine on your true words. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 5-Feb-07, at 7:34 AM, Teddy wrote: ya, I suppose I'm a bit of a snob for saying that he's rushing. one man's snob is a another's truth seeker. Your Zen attitude is far more compassionate and positive. I hope Mr. Hattler gets in the gate with getting his feet bit off by = piranhas too.=20 I also think discernment is a necessary part of a musician's = discussion and if our fellow musicians can't tell he's rushing, I'm here = to help them see it. if Mr. Hattler rushed on purpose, then yeehaw for him. I don't have = to like the result though. of course, sometimes it IS cool to rush. perfection is not the goal = at all.=20 to me maximum personality and soul are the goal. As Jack Nicholson said in the movie "Withces of Eastwick", "Passion = is nothing without precision"=20 And it's all so subjective. Teddy On Feb 5, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Richard Sales wrote: So I support all who try and encourage those who think they're = 'there' to keep going! Keep going! Keep going! Shift it WAY up!=20 Go Mr Hattler! I have faith in you richard sales ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C7495F.A13D2C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
c'mon people, hattler was obviously = just fooling=20 around,
probably just having some fun = impressing=20 the press guy.
 
tilmann
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Richard=20 Sales
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 = 6:14=20 PM
Subject: Re: Hattler almost = loops

yeah I know. I guess it's from years of working in the = studio=20 and trying to help folks who are stumbling or flat on their face. =

The=20 interesting thing is what I call the Robert Johnson phenomenon. Son = House said=20 he saw Robert J play at one point and he was just awful - a crude = beginner.=20 Saw him not long after that and he had gone beyond what any blues man = had ever=20 imagined. So I like to give folks the benefit of the doubt while = encouraging=20 them to keep going. You never know.

Now, truth is, I'm deep = into=20 ecology etc and I HATE to see so much plastic wasted on shitty = records... or=20 incomplete efforts. That's the other side of me that I try to keep in = check. I=20 also really have a hard time with artists who THINK they're there and = they're=20 light years off of the mark. But sometimes those are the folks who are = making=20 the cake. So in a way, it's a confidence game.

How do you = balance the=20 need to not destroy that confidence and at the same time encourage = chop=20 building? I don't know. I do know that the destruction of the = confidence can=20 kill a career. At the same time, dishonesty can too.

I do know = MANY=20 folks should not be in such a rush to fill the dumps with dud CDs. And = there=20 are literally millions of CDs destined for landfill. To me, the worst = thing a=20 musician can do is hurry a project out before it's done. Music is = really an=20 expression of something deep and wonderful, or shallow and fun. But = either=20 way, unbaked music should not be put on the table. Give it time in the = oven.=20

So I agree with you. He's Russian! Now, in Indian music it = happens all=20 the time. Try to jam with an intermediate tabla player sometime and = see what=20 happens. But I sense Mr Hattler's rushing doesn't have anything to do = with=20 following the emotion etc. I think it's lack of self reflection &=20 evaluation and practice.

I could write about this stuff = forever. I=20 love the topic. But it IS a zen crossbow that can randomly fire at the = target=20 or the archer.

It's taken me a while to rebuild my own = confidence. I=20 don't wanna be crushed. I wanna be guided with instruction and = encouraged to=20 keep going, keep working.

Passion is nothing without = precision. I love=20 it! Great mantra that all should repeat frequently.

You did the = right=20 thing Ted. I'm just refining and putting a gentler shine on your true=20 words.
richard sales
glassWing farm and=20 studio
vancouver island, = b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayle= ysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On=20 5-Feb-07, at 7:34 AM, Teddy wrote:

ya, I suppose I'm a bit of a snob for saying that he's=20 rushing.
one man's snob is a another's truth seeker.
Your Zen = attitude=20 is far more compassionate and positive.

I hope Mr. Hattler = gets in=20 the gate with getting his feet bit off by piranhas = too. 
I also=20 think discernment is a necessary part of a musician's discussion and = if our=20 fellow musicians can't tell he's rushing, I'm here to help them see=20 it.

if Mr. Hattler rushed on purpose, then yeehaw for him. I = don't=20 have to like the result though.

of course, sometimes it IS = cool to=20 rush. perfection is not the goal at all. 
to me maximum = personality=20 and soul are the goal.
As Jack Nicholson said in the movie = "Withces of=20 Eastwick", "Passion is nothing without precision" 

And = it's all=20 so subjective.

Teddy

On Feb 5, 2007, at 10:04 AM, = Richard=20 Sales wrote:

So I support = all=20 who try and encourage those who think they're 'there' to keep = going! Keep=20 going! Keep going! Shift it WAY up! =

Go=20 Mr Hattler! I have faith in = you

richard=20 = sales
------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C7495F.A13D2C10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 19:17:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D09F3BEE7; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Iz9bHEoH3usoVewCSNe1XRNz0z0EraraM6OtfpkorckvRWiZ70ekjiGJq5bV56uHl9TP8ZBXLoNBp21m1sCCLR+jYke91N9Hnli1kGPbDQX0vdZtoot8VlvWrJoWDTFYgfKIbJiH6HWW2xHwsy0bEGXInGT/B7/9RkHu8ZahHUU= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0702051117j7cd9ea45m2e2e863263bd6fb5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:17:28 -0600 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS: Echo Indigo io In-Reply-To: <20070205175225.BYWI1349.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_51491_23821123.1170703048900" References: <20070205175225.BYWI1349.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:17:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_51491_23821123.1170703048900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I would be interested. Do you know if that works with Cakewalk Sonar 4.0 Producer? Dan 2007/2/5, Gary Lehmann : > > Hi- > Since I have no PC card slot in my new laptop, I would like to offer the > Echo PC card for sale--make offer. > I am the original owner, and this particular one has given me no problems. > Thanks,Gary > > > -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_51491_23821123.1170703048900 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I would be interested.
Do you know if that works with Cakewalk Sonar 4.0 Producer?

Dan



2007/2/5, Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net>:
Hi-
Since I have no PC card slot in my new laptop, I would like to offer the
Echo PC card for sale--make offer.
I am the original owner, and this particular one has given me no problems.
Thanks,Gary





--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_51491_23821123.1170703048900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 21:30:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C59943BEF0; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=kYXT3oTheyGRMA1AE9xM2B/hjrgmIVewRJG6INLB2qX8MuRbTugRDt8jKTe6PxFK; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <17345943.1170711000837.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:30:00 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: tube preamp blowout Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd484ce2a6f9334535bbf8366540b5633fcdf966978d6047df59350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.33 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:30:01 +0000 (UTC) ->They got me last week with their $599 Gibson Baritone >Les Paul. DAMN-wished i heard about that earlier... always lookin for the downlow s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 21:59:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C79413BEE2; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:59:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.13,284,1167638400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="177507295:sNHT5385588705" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C74970.D866FA78" Subject: Anyone using Lemur ? Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:59:01 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070203223204.86DCF3BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Anyone using Lemur ? thread-index: AcdH4ydvo4MTjvhURAmo1x4rwqMfvQBjU5jg From: "Veda, Qua" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2007 21:59:03.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9847590:01C74970] Resent-Message-ID: <0gp2AB.A.GKB.7i6xFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:59:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C74970.D866FA78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recently read about the Lemur control surface. It seems to be the "iPhone" of control surfaces - literally :-) Expensive but fascinating, IMO. I'm curious if anyone has real-world experience with it. -Qua ------_=_NextPart_001_01C74970.D866FA78 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone using Lemur ?

I recently read about the Lemur control = surface.  It seems to be the "iPhone" of control surfaces = - literally :-)
Expensive but fascinating, = IMO.    I'm curious if anyone has real-world experience = with it.

-Qua

------_=_NextPart_001_01C74970.D866FA78-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 22:01:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1AB93BEE2; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:01:17 EST Subject: The Reactable To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1170712877" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:01:36 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1170712877 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit May be of interest to some: _http://mtg.upf.edu/reactable/_ (http://mtg.upf.edu/reactable/) -------------------------------1170712877 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
May be of interest=20= to=20 some:
 
http://mtg.upf.edu/reactable/
-------------------------------1170712877-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 22:04:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 181B43BEEC; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:03:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Anyone using Lemur ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1041409459==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b5711203fa754590371122782d053c86bfff91310ec827ca34601a1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:04:00 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1041409459==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I consider any interface which lacks tactile feedback to be a step backwards. >I recently read about the Lemur control surface. It seems to be the >"iPhone" of control surfaces - literally :-) >Expensive but fascinating, IMO. I'm curious if anyone has >real-world experience with it. > >-Qua -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1041409459==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Anyone using Lemur ?

I consider any interface which lacks tactile feedback to be a step backwards.


I recently read about the Lemur control surface.  It seems to be the "iPhone" of control surfaces - literally :-)
Expensive but fascinating, IMO.    I'm curious if anyone has real-world experience with it.
-Qua


-- 
...
http://www.zmix.net
--============_-1041409459==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 22:05:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 733AB3BEE8; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11--867580136 Message-Id: From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Anyone using Lemur ? Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:05:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:05:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11--867580136 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed hi qua haven't actually sat down and used it for any length of time, but a friend of mine (o.blaat) uses it and seems to like it. when i saw it being demo'd at the cycling 74 booth at aes a couple of years ago i played with it a bit and it is an amazing thing to be able to have multitouch access, the down side is the learning curve is a bit high unless you are already facile with Max/MSP/Jitter programming. cheers bruce On Feb 5, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Veda, Qua wrote: > I recently read about the Lemur control surface. It seems to be > the "iPhone" of control surfaces - literally :-) > Expensive but fascinating, IMO. I'm curious if anyone has real- > world experience with it. > > -Qua > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick --Apple-Mail-11--867580136 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 hi qua
haven't actually sat = down and used it for any length of time, but a friend of mine (o.blaat) = uses it and seems to like it. when i saw it being demo'd at the cycling = 74 booth at aes a couple of years ago i played with it a bit and it is = an amazing thing to be able to have multitouch access, the down side is = the learning curve is a bit high unless you are already facile with = Max/MSP/Jitter = programming.
cheers
bruce

On = Feb 5, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Veda, Qua wrote:

I recently read about the Lemur control = surface.=A0 It seems to be the "iPhone" of control surfaces - literally = :-)
Expensive but = fascinating, IMO.=A0=A0=A0 I'm curious if anyone has real-world = experience with it.

-Qua


bruce tovsky

www.skeletonhome.com


=

"Sometimes the appropriate = response to reality is to go insane."

Philip K. Dick

=

= --Apple-Mail-11--867580136-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 00:31:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DE4F3BEDE; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: IergczAVM1mGWmPa0Dwx3CP_PwKawKuVsT_Xt9SeuZU.HydpdvZ.o_iKZJV.AyzkD6l3yX2fDCjccPvOWMXdlBJhm4pv7s4AU1AM3GT.sVJSDXuUUJ5i1wWoa.tHURRI6Yv3umLgJVNSPJU- Message-ID: <009301c74986$2fd0b200$4201a8c0@MichaelPlishka> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> <1c102629b8e67dc37559a03265de31bd@glasswing.com> <027C78E4-7FFB-44E0-AC4F-4E8A354B87D5@mac.com> Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:31:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0090_01C74953.E4C16020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:31:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C74953.E4C16020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If ther'es any issue here it's that he dealing with a rogue echo that = sometimes is not synched...it's annoying if you're into perfect beats = but if you're not it's just well.... not synched... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Teddy=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:34 AM Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops ya, I suppose I'm a bit of a snob for saying that he's rushing. one man's snob is a another's truth seeker. Your Zen attitude is far more compassionate and positive. I hope Mr. Hattler gets in the gate with getting his feet bit off by = piranhas too.=20 I also think discernment is a necessary part of a musician's = discussion and if our fellow musicians can't tell he's rushing, I'm here = to help them see it. if Mr. Hattler rushed on purpose, then yeehaw for him. I don't have to = like the result though. of course, sometimes it IS cool to rush. perfection is not the goal at = all.=20 to me maximum personality and soul are the goal. As Jack Nicholson said in the movie "Withces of Eastwick", "Passion is = nothing without precision"=20 And it's all so subjective. Teddy On Feb 5, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Richard Sales wrote: So I support all who try and encourage those who think they're = 'there' to keep going! Keep going! Keep going! Shift it WAY up! =20 Go Mr Hattler! I have faith in you richard sales ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C74953.E4C16020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If ther'es any issue here it's that he = dealing with=20 a rogue echo that sometimes is not synched...it's annoying if you're = into=20 perfect beats but if you're not it's just well....
not synched...
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Teddy=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 = 9:34=20 AM
Subject: Re: Hattler almost = loops

ya, I suppose I'm a bit of a snob for saying that he's = rushing.
one man's snob is a another's truth seeker.
Your Zen attitude is far more compassionate and positive.

I hope Mr. Hattler gets in the gate with getting his feet bit off = by piranhas too. 
I also think discernment is a necessary part of a musician's = discussion=20 and if our fellow musicians can't tell he's rushing, I'm here to help = them see=20 it.

if Mr. Hattler rushed on purpose, then yeehaw for him. I don't = have to=20 like the result though.

of course, sometimes it IS cool to rush. perfection is not the = goal at=20 all. 
to me maximum personality and soul are the goal.
As Jack Nicholson said in the movie "Withces of Eastwick", = "Passion is=20 nothing without precision" 

And it's all so subjective.

Teddy

On Feb 5, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Richard Sales wrote:

So I support all who try and = encourage those who=20 think they're 'there' to keep going! =20 Keep going!  = Keep=20 going!  Shift it WAY = up!  


Go Mr Hattler!  I have faith in = you


richard=20 = sales


------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C74953.E4C16020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 01:59:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27C613BED9; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 01:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1170695724.45c7662c9aca5@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:15:24 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping forum set up References: <45C750BF.18852.4ADF6B@nick.12testing.net> <167401c74946$4a938a30$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <167401c74946$4a938a30$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 01:59:26 +0000 (UTC) as well as several looping related forums on tribe.net... Quoting Krispen Hartung : > Another forum? We already have the MySpace loopers group, plus LoopMusic > Yahoo group. Unless you are offering somethig that none of these have, you > may be pilling more work on top of folks. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:43 AM > Subject: looping forum set up > > > > I've set up a small looping forum, having looked for anything similar > > without luck. it's in no way intended as a rival for loopers-d, but I > > enjoy forums and find them easy to use. I don't envisage much > > traffic, but you never know. Yoo can be the 2nd member by visiting > > here (please leave a message!) > > > > http://looping.20.forumer.com/ > > > > It's my first forum, so things will inevitably change and develop, > > all/any help appreciated. > > > > Please don't jump down my neck if you already have something similar, > > I tried several different google searches over several days. Worst > > case scenario, it'll be devoted to my music and have 3 members > > (wife, mother, aunt) - actually, my wife probably won't join - she > > doesn't "get it" ;) > > > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > Nick Robinson > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 02:54:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EACD3BED9; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 02:54:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: Anyone using Lemur ? Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:54:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C74957.0B646620" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcdJchkgrvxgOVEpRTqfjNNsBTGCLwAJ7u4w In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <200702051856546.SM05172@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dee4a04a60000ac39.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 02:54:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C74957.0B646620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bruce, not that I have the $ to spend, but if you were to use the Lemur mostly for AbletonLive6, Reaktor, VSTs etc , it might be wonderful and creative experience. and maybe the learning curve wouldn't be too bad. I also wonder how hard it is to assign all the 'widgets' to various midi controllable devices and control variables. -Qua _____ From: bruce tovsky [mailto:bruce@skeletonhome.com] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone using Lemur ? hi qua haven't actually sat down and used it for any length of time, but a friend of mine (o.blaat) uses it and seems to like it. when i saw it being demo'd at the cycling 74 booth at aes a couple of years ago i played with it a bit and it is an amazing thing to be able to have multitouch access, the down side is the learning curve is a bit high unless you are already facile with Max/MSP/Jitter programming. cheers bruce On Feb 5, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Veda, Qua wrote: I recently read about the Lemur control surface. It seems to be the "iPhone" of control surfaces - literally :-) Expensive but fascinating, IMO. I'm curious if anyone has real-world experience with it. -Qua bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C74957.0B646620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Bruce,
not that I have the $ to spend,   but = if you were=20 to use the Lemur mostly for AbletonLive6, Reaktor, VSTs etc , it might = be=20 wonderful and creative experience. and maybe the learning curve wouldn't = be too=20 bad.
 
I also wonder how hard it is to =  assign all the=20 'widgets' to various midi controllable devices and control=20 variables.
 
-Qua


From: bruce tovsky=20 [mailto:bruce@skeletonhome.com]
Sent: Monday, February 05, = 2007 2:06=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Re:=20 Anyone using Lemur ?

hi qua
haven't actually sat down and used it for any length of time, but a = friend=20 of mine (o.blaat) uses it and seems to like it. when i saw it being = demo'd at=20 the cycling 74 booth at aes a couple of years ago i played with it a bit = and it=20 is an amazing thing to be able to have multitouch access, the down side = is the=20 learning curve is a bit high unless you are already facile with = Max/MSP/Jitter=20 programming.
cheers
bruce

On Feb 5, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Veda, Qua wrote:

I recently read about the Lemur control = surface. It=20 seems to be the "iPhone" of control surfaces - literally :-) =
Expensive but fascinating, IMO. I'm curious if = anyone has=20 real-world experience with it.

-Qua


bruce tovsky

www.skeletonhome.com


"Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go=20 insane."

Philip K. Dick


------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C74957.0B646620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 03:08:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 055E03BEDA; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 03:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=GkfbCu7xK89a+/puREQ1tiKsRAlUYrubmveb1Jz6wcIpYR4N4raekDw5Wsc4vWz0DCmRHUBDcTytlUy3T/2TOYjVrmntYHyJdWgm9BpR1uCxJhrgNmk9XYfOQ9WgAqYbmqIbPcYp0SoV5/DpamGoWO0pbZ+TFfhMIH+bqbBiSW0=; X-YMail-OSG: uyAWudEVM1kBoGH4Cnyo90BM9FF3aymh4zFXfZS4Im1JSsr8n9PXWB60zeq6ikFdCNaGf2N1R_5a5z9OpR8U6Db7O3KdFgUcHdcVSoiWk0Ai9iYTntRtUcpBLVI3VCkaiPPxKYrqGpNr15s- Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:08:43 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: RE: name that chord To: miles932@gmail.com, loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45c6bf0b.7422beab.132f.6895@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <832415.9561.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-KCZZD.A.IsD.9E_xFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 03:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, We don't plat Cmin. Just Cmaj & a min.. Except when we play in the key of black ones. Not a clinker in the whole bunc. Your input is GEATL appreciated, but we just don't do Cmin. THANX Rig --- Miles Ward wrote: > I am simultaneously intensely impressed with the > music theory mastery of the > folks on this list, and my own heinous lack of it. > This is what I get for > probably being the only Tuba player on the Loopers > list. Come on, I get > confused on which of my three buttons to push... > Cheers :) > -Miles > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Nilsson [mailto:sam@servingpeace.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 9:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: name that chord > > Teddy wrote: > > G-A-B-D-E can be > > G6/9 > > A7sus4/9 > > Bm11/b6 > > Dsus4 6/9 > > Em11 > > > > if you put that over a C melodic minor > (C-D-Eb-F-G-A-B) bass line I > > think you'd have quite the upper extension party > with the minor > > 3rd, major 3rd and major 2nd all rubbing against > each other. > > > > Basically it would be a Cminor/maj 7/6 with an > added major 3rd for extra > > oomph. > > this one doesn't fit into any conventional chord > symbol since you have 3 > > half steps in row there with the D, D# and E all > rubbing against each > > other. > > Exactly. That would be a cluster, not a "chord". > "chords" are built in > thirds (in traditional western theory). The only way > your chord tones > above qualify as a "chord" as built from the root in > thirds (assuming no > other notes are used) would be a G13 chord like > this: > > G B D A E > 1 3 5 9 13 > > The 7 (F) and the 11 (C) are the missing steps that > aren't being > shown/played. > > In the case of a Cminor bass line the Eb could be > used as a passing tone > between D and E, but would otherwise cause a > conflicting sound or > "dissonance" with its neighbors D and E. The E > natural in the chord > really puts you in CMajor instead of Cminor. > > - Sam > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 03:13:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 121153BED9; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 03:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Z8BlZ8btPiXvfoHVfv6A/9uiMCC26BJxycV3m3/WC4LLksV9//X1aBxJRDmbjwVVv0VQSJlCnb/BNx4L722juU2stbSaP6eb3cYjYzEHA9qbCzD3wY3MMy790BEhzI0sPg2314sRM4GE3FW4FB8PAqRpLLshPGxFU6j56HCQqbA=; X-YMail-OSG: WJgrEyYVM1khymcO0.yYex67RwEnW7Uw0VeEJMDyq.GTDzFB1_3C1RRluDoRRaNMogjWigm0k78G5ok80ojoC9JsjKCBbOuYO3U4GUNJTgQ7hESQpjRtREL9IT1jIEA_GJwxEwQijC6MWEY- Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:13:45 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: name that chord To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <204197.2689.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 03:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, a music student freind of mine said that it was a cluster chord. What I don't under stand is why itsounds SO COOL on a Fender Rhodes with an MXR panner. It seems best 1 to 1 1/2 ocateves above and below niddle C. You cen play the D&E on top, or on bottom. It really sounds cool. But why only on an auto panned rhodes and nothing else of the 100s of souns I've ried. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 03:41:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD25D3BEDD; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 03:41:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45C7F8E1.4010709@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:41:21 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: name that chord References: <832415.9561.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <832415.9561.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <10EN_D.A._IF.nj_xFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 03:41:27 +0000 (UTC) Rig, I don't know if you were trying to be funny or not, but this paragraph is comedic genius. "The key of black ones", particularly, is a phrase that I will be frequently using from this day forth. regards, Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > We don't plat Cmin. Just Cmaj & a min.. Except when > we play in the key of black ones. Not a clinker in the > whole bunc. Your input is GEATL appreciated, but we > just don't do Cmin. THANX > Rig > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 03:48:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDDA83BEDD; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 03:48:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <832415.9561.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <832415.9561.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: name that chord Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:48:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 03:48:32 +0000 (UTC) well, that's a relief cause the other way around that shit would've sounded whack man. so you're jamming on a Cmaj7 6/9 and an Am11 and loving it good for you !!!!! when do we get to hear it? Teddy On Feb 5, 2007, at 10:08 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > We don't plat Cmin. Just Cmaj & a min.. Except when > we play in the key of black ones. Not a clinker in the > whole bunc. Your input is GEATL appreciated, but we > just don't do Cmin. THANX > Rig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 04:06:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86CF73BEDE; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 04:06:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: name that chord Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:06:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcdJnNFiYwfg+J8HRHeyTl8/AxF7OQAB1oSw In-Reply-To: <204197.2689.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070206040647.IROS1302.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: <4oIfjC.A.uMG.Y7_xFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 04:06:48 +0000 (UTC) http://www.jmdl.com/howard/steelydan/mu-major.html#intro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 04:20:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 361353BEEC; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 04:20:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index:in-reply-to:message-id; b=JMTQkZCxnkbNF2Acnxd4IUMNqqkgFAODrlmhXUDxKWHhA2QSng8vP/9nwDErxBJoBAsJnQ4Ti84PA3zYseg6MFAsl0vJlLucz6qM4ig8oHq38Jpsjl/STzdl6gvR6Di9rpp7/J6TFD4yRuYHx7c5eDbBVuhUeQmGvxgP1JkxOFg= Reply-To: From: "Miles Ward" To: Subject: RE: Anyone using Lemur ? Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:20:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01C74963.0EA8EC50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdJchkgrvxgOVEpRTqfjNNsBTGCLwAJ7u4wAAL35ZA= In-Reply-To: <200702051856546.SM05172@quahome> Message-ID: <45c801fc.60746aff.7f44.ffffea7e@mx.google.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 04:20:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C74963.0EA8EC50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Friend of mine is at NYU where they built one of the first of these.. http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirtouch/ Not on the site, but I played with it when I visited is the mockup of a ProTools Control|24 surface that they had emulated on the screen.. you can twist the knobs, run multiple faders, works just like the real thing.. feels just like startrek! Multitouch is amazing stuff, it's going to make all other interfaces pretty hideously obsolete. -Miles _____ From: Qua Veda [mailto:qua@oregon.com] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Anyone using Lemur ? Hi Bruce, not that I have the $ to spend, but if you were to use the Lemur mostly for AbletonLive6, Reaktor, VSTs etc , it might be wonderful and creative experience. and maybe the learning curve wouldn't be too bad. I also wonder how hard it is to assign all the 'widgets' to various midi controllable devices and control variables. -Qua _____ From: bruce tovsky [mailto:bruce@skeletonhome.com] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone using Lemur ? hi qua haven't actually sat down and used it for any length of time, but a friend of mine (o.blaat) uses it and seems to like it. when i saw it being demo'd at the cycling 74 booth at aes a couple of years ago i played with it a bit and it is an amazing thing to be able to have multitouch access, the down side is the learning curve is a bit high unless you are already facile with Max/MSP/Jitter programming. cheers bruce On Feb 5, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Veda, Qua wrote: I recently read about the Lemur control surface. It seems to be the "iPhone" of control surfaces - literally :-) Expensive but fascinating, IMO. I'm curious if anyone has real-world experience with it. -Qua bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C74963.0EA8EC50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Friend of mine is at NYU where they = built one of the first of these.. 

http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirt= ouch/

Not on the site, but I played with = it when I visited is the mockup of a ProTools Control|24 surface that they had = emulated on the screen..  you can twist the knobs, run multiple faders, = works just like the real thing.. feels just like = startrek!

Multitouch is amazing stuff, = it’s going to make all other interfaces pretty hideously = obsolete.

-Miles

 


From: Qua = Veda [mailto:qua@oregon.com]
Sent: Monday, February = 05, 2007 6:54 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Anyone using = Lemur ?

 

Hi = Bruce,

not that I have the $ to spend,   but if you were to use the Lemur mostly for = AbletonLive6, Reaktor, VSTs etc , it might be wonderful and creative experience. and = maybe the learning curve wouldn't be too bad.

 

I also wonder how hard it is = to  assign all the 'widgets' to various midi controllable devices and = control variables.

 

-Qua

 


From: bruce tovsky [mailto:bruce@skeletonhome.com]
Sent: Monday, February = 05, 2007 2:06 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Anyone using = Lemur ?

hi qua

haven't actually sat down and used it for any length of time, = but a friend of mine (o.blaat) uses it and seems to like it. when i saw it = being demo'd at the cycling 74 booth at aes a couple of years ago i played = with it a bit and it is an amazing thing to be able to have multitouch access, the = down side is the learning curve is a bit high unless you are already facile = with Max/MSP/Jitter programming.

cheers

bruce

 

On Feb 5, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Veda, Qua = wrote:



I recently read about the Lemur control surface. It seems to be the "iPhone" of control surfaces - literally :-) =
Expensive but fascinating, IMO. I'm curious if anyone has real-world experience = with it.

-Qua

 

bruce = tovsky

www.skeletonhome.com

 <= /font>

"Sometimes the = appropriate response to reality is to go insane."

Philip K. = Dick

 

------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C74963.0EA8EC50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 08:03:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81FBD3BEDD; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002201c749c5$4a599bc0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <832415.9561.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45C7F8E1.4010709@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: name that chord Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:03:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 X-Provags-ID2: V01U2FsdGVkX188X0jUPNTCZCPO/a2YGFe/NjqQbV/U9kVopkmcUhMIfRom/jdBgejnK+NfT33obfyvzE8N6DJ4pOAMcBmJr83r4e6PvTlj872OoLzrQcqZr3iyBiS20JqF Resent-Message-ID: <8MdOpB.A.VtG.DZDyFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:03:16 +0000 (UTC) that's interesting, because i had just put a different phrase into my citation book: "we just don't do Cmin..." reminds me of : "oh, we have BOTH kinds of music, here..." tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:41 AM Subject: Re: name that chord > Rig, I don't know if you were trying to be funny or not, but this > paragraph is comedic genius. "The key of black ones", particularly, is a > phrase that I will be frequently using from this day forth. > > regards, > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > > We don't plat Cmin. Just Cmaj & a min.. Except when > > we play in the key of black ones. Not a clinker in the > > whole bunc. Your input is GEATL appreciated, but we > > just don't do Cmin. THANX > > Rig > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 11:59:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9F3F3BEDB; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004d01c7491c$68f33630$0502a8c0@VAIO2> From: "Benjamin Goldstone" To: Subject: EHX 2880 for sale Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:54:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01C7491C.678FFCB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:59:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C7491C.678FFCB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable its been a great toy, but I just don't use it enough http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=3D019&sspagename=3DSTR= K%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=3D&item=3D290080543762&rd=3D1&rd=3D1 ben ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C7491C.678FFCB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C7491C.678FFCB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 15:15:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F9A23BEE8; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200702051856546.SM05172@quahome> References: <200702051856546.SM05172@quahome> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--805832766 Message-Id: <141745FD-A453-4FEA-A1CE-78F1715448B9@skeletonhome.com> From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Anyone using Lemur ? Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:14:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:15:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--805832766 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Feb 5, 2007, at 9:54 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > Hi Bruce, > not that I have the $ to spend, but if you were to use the Lemur > mostly for AbletonLive6, Reaktor, VSTs etc , it might be wonderful > and creative experience. and maybe the learning curve wouldn't be > too bad. > > I also wonder how hard it is to assign all the 'widgets' to > various midi controllable devices and control variables. this is where the curve takes over. basically, pretty much everything you do with the lemur has to be "built from scratch," although i am sure there is a growing community of users who may share patches. this is old info - dating back to when i first experienced the lemur, but recent reviews i have read lead me to believe that it is still the case. like the max/msp community, of which the lemur is a step- child of sorts, people tend to guard their hard-wrought patches, so there is no big repository of user presets as far as i know. i would check the lemur website to see if there are stock presets for working with commercial software programs. cheers bruce > > -Qua > > From: bruce tovsky [mailto:bruce@skeletonhome.com] > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Anyone using Lemur ? > > hi qua > haven't actually sat down and used it for any length of time, but a > friend of mine (o.blaat) uses it and seems to like it. when i saw > it being demo'd at the cycling 74 booth at aes a couple of years > ago i played with it a bit and it is an amazing thing to be able to > have multitouch access, the down side is the learning curve is a > bit high unless you are already facile with Max/MSP/Jitter > programming. > cheers > bruce > > On Feb 5, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Veda, Qua wrote: > >> I recently read about the Lemur control surface. It seems to be >> the "iPhone" of control surfaces - literally :-) >> Expensive but fascinating, IMO. I'm curious if anyone has real- >> world experience with it. >> >> -Qua > > bruce tovsky > www.skeletonhome.com > > "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." > Philip K. Dick > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick --Apple-Mail-2--805832766 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Feb 5, 2007, at = 9:54 PM, Qua Veda wrote:

Hi = Bruce,
not that I have the $ to spend,=A0=A0 but if you were to use = the Lemur mostly for AbletonLive6, Reaktor, VSTs etc , it might be = wonderful and creative experience. and maybe the learning curve wouldn't = be too bad.
=A0
I also wonder=A0how hard it is to =A0assign all the 'widgets' = to various midi controllable devices and control = variables.

this is where the curve = takes over. basically, pretty much everything you do with the lemur has = to be "built from scratch," although i am sure there is a growing = community of users who may share patches. this is old info - dating back = to when i first experienced the lemur, but recent reviews i have read = lead me to believe that it is still the case. like the max/msp = community, of which the lemur is a step-child of sorts, people tend to = guard their hard-wrought patches, so there is no big repository=A0 of = user presets as far as i know. i would check the lemur website to see if = there are stock presets for working with commercial software = programs.
cheers
bruce


=
=A0
-Qua

=

From: bruce tovsky [mailto:bruce@skeletonhome.com] =
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:06 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Subject: Re: Anyone using Lemur = ?

hi qua
haven't actually sat down = and used it for any length of time, but a friend of mine (o.blaat) uses = it and seems to like it. when i saw it being demo'd at the cycling 74 = booth at aes a couple of years ago i played with it a bit and it is an = amazing thing to be able to have multitouch access, the down side is the = learning curve is a bit high unless you are already facile with = Max/MSP/Jitter programming.
cheers
bruce
=

On Feb 5, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Veda, Qua = wrote:

I recently read about = the Lemur control surface. It seems to be the "iPhone" of control = surfaces - literally :-)
Expensive but fascinating, IMO. I'm curious if anyone has = real-world experience with it.

-Qua


bruce tovsky
www.skeletonhome.com

"Sometimes = the appropriate response to reality is to go insane."
Philip K. = Dick


bruce tovsky

www.skeletonhome.com


=

"Sometimes the appropriate = response to reality is to go insane."

Philip K. Dick

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= --Apple-Mail-2--805832766-- From www@omniinformatica.com.br Tue Feb 6 15:19:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 8861 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:19:48 UTC Received: from trinity.omniinformatica.com.br (trinity.omniinformatica.com.br [200.190.137.138]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15853BEDA for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by trinity.omniinformatica.com.br (Postfix, from userid 80) id C962818F8B6; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:51:52 -0200 (BRST) To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: PEACE BE UNTO YOU From: Mrs.Stella Dekoya Message-Id: <130743394.73@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:51:52 -0200 (BRST) HELLO MY DEAR BELOVED BRETHEN GREETING IN THE NAME OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. 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STELLA DEKOYA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 16:37:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 990103BEE2; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Echo Indigo io Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:36:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20070205175225.BYWI1349.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 thread-index: AcdJTl9QEJ9FgxKeSjO4wJG03EUtrQAvmt4g Message-Id: <20070206163657.RBTZ1302.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:37:03 +0000 (UTC) I just posted to another list on this one--first $100 takes it. PayPal works well for me. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:52 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Echo Indigo io Hi- Since I have no PC card slot in my new laptop, I would like to offer the Echo PC card for sale--make offer. I am the original owner, and this particular one has given me no problems. Thanks,Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 18:45:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19FFC3BEDE; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <191001c74a1e$fb994a30$3bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sneak Preview of Boise Experimental Music Festival Double CD Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:45:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_190B_01C749E4.4E4C1A90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:45:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_190B_01C749E4.4E4C1A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all - I am streaming a sneak preview of the Boise Experimental Music Festival = double CD that I will be releasing in a month or so. Both CDs will sell = separately, and all the proceeds will go toward funding this year's = festival and helping with musician travel expenses. Keep an eye out for = the official announcement. Streamed here: http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/ Track Listing CD 1 (total time: 1:02:00) 01 - Duo Improvisation #1 - Jeff Kaiser & Krispen Hartung 02 - Hello, Hello - Lumper-Splitter 03 - Agent of Sonic Unresolved - Lumper-Splitter 04 - Duo Improvisation #2 - Jeff Kaiser & Ted Killian 05 - Duo Improvisation #3 - Jeff Kaiser & Ted Killian 06 - Solo Improvisation #1 - Rick Walker 07 - Still Life with Haunted Quill - Unicorn Feather CD 2 (total time: 1:11:15) 08 - LSD at 33 1/3" - Art Hodge 09 - Cybernetic Lovesong - Gretchen Jude 10 - Duo Improvisation #4 - Krispen Hartung & Jared Hallock 11 - Trio Improvisation #1 - Ted Killian, Jeff Kaiser, and Rick Walker 12 - No Animals Were Harmed in the Making of this Track That Weren't, = Like, Totally Asking For It - Lumper-Splitter 13 - Group Improvisation #1 - Bonefish Sam & His Orchestra Festival website: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental Also, FYI, the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival website: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/ (we have an unbelievable lineup of = performers) Cheers, *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_190B_01C749E4.4E4C1A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all -
 
I am streaming a sneak preview of the = Boise=20 Experimental Music Festival double CD that I will be releasing in a = month=20 or so.  Both CDs will sell separately, and all the proceeds will go = toward=20 funding this year's festival and helping with musician travel = expenses. =20 Keep an eye out for the official announcement.
 
Streamed here: http://krispen.serverroom.us:= 9030/
 
Track Listing
 
CD 1 (total = time:=20 1:02:00)
 
01 - Duo Improvisation #1 - Jeff Kaiser = &=20 Krispen Hartung
02 - Hello, Hello - = Lumper-Splitter
03 - Agent of Sonic Unresolved -=20 Lumper-Splitter
04 - Duo Improvisation #2 - Jeff Kaiser = & Ted=20 Killian
05 - Duo Improvisation #3 - Jeff Kaiser = & Ted=20 Killian
06 - Solo Improvisation #1 - Rick=20 Walker
07 - Still Life with Haunted Quill - = Unicorn=20 Feather
 
CD 2 (total = time:=20 1:11:15)
 
08 - LSD at 33 1/3" - Art = Hodge
09 - Cybernetic Lovesong - Gretchen=20 Jude
10 - Duo Improvisation #4 - = Krispen Hartung=20 & Jared Hallock
11 - Trio Improvisation #1 - Ted = Killian, Jeff=20 Kaiser, and Rick Walker
12 - No Animals Were Harmed = in the Making=20 of this Track That Weren't, Like, Totally Asking For It -=20 Lumper-Splitter
13 - Group Improvisation #1 - = Bonefish Sam=20 & His Orchestra
 
 
Festival website: http://www.boisemusic= ians.com/experimental
 
Also, FYI, the 2nd Annual Boise = Experimental Music=20 Festival website: http://www.boisemusicians.= com/BEMF-2/ (we=20 have an unbelievable lineup of performers)
 
Cheers,
 
****************************************************************= **********
Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com /=20 www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
Performance=20 Calendar: ht= tp://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
CD=20 Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20
------=_NextPart_000_190B_01C749E4.4E4C1A90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 19:39:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F218B3BEE9; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:40:39 -0800 From: JP Mercury Subject: New Music Online To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45C8D9B7.50701@vcn.bc.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060607 Debian/1.7.12-1.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Folks, I'd like to share some new music I've been improvising over the last year or so. Here's the rip from my artist page: " Mercury creates improvised trance music using his unusual, elemental voice, and custom looping software he developed, called Freewheeling. His music draws from his interests in indigenous spirituality, animism, healing ritual, experimental music, jazz, and classical piano. Often hypnotic and repetitive, yet evocative, Mercury’s music is as much an inner transformation for the artist as it is an invitation to the listener. Mercury is looking to collaborate with producers and instrumentalists. " The music is here: http://people.tribe.net/jpmercury See 'Mercury's Music Blog' on right. Samples for remixing are on my ccMixter page: http://ccmixter.org/media/people/jpmercury FYI All of this was done with my voice, a MIDI controller and Linux laptop, running mostly free software, including Freewheeling, a live looper I developed. It's all improvised, with no external edits or after-sequenced layers. The layering you hear is within the looping process. Enjoy! And please feedback! -Mercury From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 20:58:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0284E3BEE7; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:58:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tm+/CCSQDITnR0/umkE5Teq4sZfGbnVY+P9YnKa6kA3vUXBW5rLXJDLLpGnpjE0WgJEAFyfZnOKjqRr/HTgHYMqYYf641gSBTJrKKDpdRbDNxpSrMKkmswlXmoMBxD0YI+kqsTQFC3+49Uy8ZNjpSrANVXBRzp2K2M1Ywm/ttG0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45C8D9B7.50701@vcn.bc.ca> References: <45C8D9B7.50701@vcn.bc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New Music Online Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:58:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:58:20 +0000 (UTC) On 6 feb 2007, at 20.40, JP Mercury wrote: > share some new music That is remarkably enjoyable music, Mercury! At least to my tastes :-) Thank you! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 01:45:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FAA33BEEA; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 01:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45C92F36.8060801@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 02:45:26 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: my first loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <50UhhD.A.nTG.28SyFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 01:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Hello, this is the first looping piece I recorded that I like - happened quite by accident this evening, when I was playing around with the Mo-FX delay and the alesis metavox - suddenly the basic loop was there and I started to jam over it. I think it's funny that I didn't use Mobius or the Digitech Jamman Looper (that I bought for this ;-)- must be kind of a sign not to focus too much on the technical part of looping. http://www.wilbertmusic.de/Mo-FX_2.mp3 Hope you enjoy it. Dirk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 07:56:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A75893BEE6; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 07:56:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bIG/F4Q0n3Nd2gz/RsE0OTgmyclCsvN6qAPjKuHoonFzIkgkNIDAQnjpdNrctGhKBR2pMbRGVF1W85NqsZaMZtleO/O8V9n86xV9oNeQ51pLTd/qYlZKoJjIgqENceySrQXPYdyM90WuSpF4iuvBpKgqDa5ROxt8AeCVtn5aM0Y= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45C92F36.8060801@rhein-zeitung.de> References: <45C92F36.8060801@rhein-zeitung.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: my first loop Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:56:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0MTnIC.A.tiG.lYYyFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 07:56:21 +0000 (UTC) On 7 feb 2007, at 02.45, Dirk Wilbert wrote: > Hello, > this is the first looping piece I recorded that I like - happened > quite by accident this evening, when I was playing around with the > Mo-FX delay and the alesis metavox - suddenly the basic loop was > there and I started to jam over it. > I think it's funny that I didn't use Mobius or the Digitech Jamman > Looper (that I bought for this ;-)- must be kind of a sign not to > focus too much on the technical part of looping. > > http://www.wilbertmusic.de/Mo-FX_2.mp3 > > Hope you enjoy it. Awesome! I like it a lot. Not "the loop" only, but the way you play over the loop to make it interesting. As sparse as the monotone loop goes you play very delicate, implying a lot without actually going there. That's the way to build up strong emotions. Just like watching a horror movie that scares the shit out of you because the monster never comes out but every second feels like the beast is gonna break out of the ground the very next second... I think what you might mean when you write "not to focus too much on the technical part of looping" is that you don't want to play the looper? If you are focused on an instrument it may at first sight seem "technical" to view a looper as a musical instrument. I mean, the way you play music (with great ears) you should know that ANY focusing on ANYTHING except the music at hand would be nothing but devastating ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 08:52:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECCCC3BEEA; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yhsgjFNzLhLmFAe9H9UTtpu3REyJlJ3iIdxnkQIeinNtd9YgUsUwVlRX/kKYs/qjkH1Hqro7eZrOZIVm7t3nZm9zOHW2ibt6EOXUSyiE7kfyw9e6WazSXuwNFvclxSJQfAwWQTVge3iIOro9bQfMlPviSJuRN2JmwuceHDqT15c= ; Message-ID: <20070207085218.56152.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: _qfuXZEVM1kPXZSFmyaU6nBx4koc4eFksUSndSziTqWHirTJwJrzDggCeLTG8oKsMqH8uED3j8qOCJ1dco6lpvsYNmL4FiDcyneezzwWr6m0SXg3H14vr7f1yr_OngDAb1KlOV_f8AZn Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:52:18 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: RE-some more music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6E219A5F-D86D-4A9B-B441-90FBD7FADC34@bernhardwagner.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7mgE2.A.4LD.DNZyFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! A lot of great stuff ! You are very productive. best regards Rune Fagereng --- Bernhard Wagner LD skrev: > I enjoyed Teddy's, Nico's, Rune's and Per's recent > track/album posts! > So I post some myself: > > A short sample of a drummer playing the first > pattern described > earlier (http://tinyurl.com/2xzmfn) > http://bernhardwagner.net/soundz/ > DigitalUnderground20061227Disk1Track02.mp3 > > And also a new sample with guitar only and one with > additional voice > (both playing with a similar pattern): > http://bernhardwagner.net/soundz/perm16th08.mp3 > (sorry about the hum) > http://bernhardwagner.net/soundz/perm16th07Rendered.mp3 > > Bernhard (my first post didn't seem to make it to > the list) > > www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 08:53:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84FAD3BEF5; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ORYuhn6h3grlQ0bPU/b7w1xrzdhXvxW32hu04+5/TaQtLq47gl0WW7A2kyVbuGKWxj8baZZRjhAdtj028ZnudXT5Obsqwife1wM0z1/aQlTb8Si3i8fGUVLmXjKjeQOZLiJq/HyVxshK75SGzBD4dRB7lnBMeVCNpaUaQL7Exb0=; X-YMail-OSG: JQ.B4GsVM1kJS.As55I1GNdxgVqbCvbvAJlVrR.C7VcGCqcJNrpzsUimd9BaDVrf3P7G9AjBFdFE5yfqkw3IhLr9ppVv38fdP_zVNmyvpH_foVRpvqg- Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:53:21 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Re- my first loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45C92F36.8060801@rhein-zeitung.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <653390.4088.qm@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! Nice stuff. Is it guitar ? Rune Fagereng --- Dirk Wilbert skrev: > Hello, > this is the first looping piece I recorded that I > like - happened quite > by accident this evening, when I was playing around > with the Mo-FX delay > and the alesis metavox - suddenly the basic loop was > there and I started > to jam over it. > I think it's funny that I didn't use Mobius or the > Digitech Jamman > Looper (that I bought for this ;-)- must be kind of > a sign not to focus > too much on the technical part of looping. > > http://www.wilbertmusic.de/Mo-FX_2.mp3 > > Hope you enjoy it. > > Dirk > > www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 10:54:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43AD03BEDB; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NvsrpX+yO9gxwGOAurGEORpHPXseUepz3thaV2bNTxs4YF1gcFxdqAK1dbv2d4xiBH4v06d9ah1ri99SN09FioqRJnqf07U1N2VXWiVG2PZsqTx+GBo612jBbq6ZAYZYLPHMwJro9ns2x8c2X6cHWf92SFBH7asbEzoAn5gdt6s= ; Message-ID: <20070207105421.95861.qmail@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 21RzD4wVM1nrvdWGEDchfVRWQpTwzSBzAi5iYef9OlPTiuF2nqfEtxUHPGzDJXiTlfYPFkSC3MDG1bO_Uf62sRWrQHnOAok.4_FNb6cNAz4gXwpMMWjeScLLE2N3nrLeHpplEcm.x8o- Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:54:21 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Great music - looping To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, repeater-users@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! I`ve just got the cd Tripping over God - by David Torn. I am shure many of you allready got this - to those of you that aint got it - buy it. Its so great ! There also a new cd from Torn on ECM this spring. best regards Rune Fagereng. Norway www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 12:34:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 541673BEE1; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=llJXvndDsE3RoqZfhVZTd9jP2jxXOeasRgDk8A3+70Tgq1N+ZHuNN4kUaXW2pr/7rZipukwTmgQQGnyCruBMa97FlWXApgrSS1SdPBovPJyf7NeRL+CoAzmBcoDSIpYwEAd46zjnjIod7iV4G63ioyF0Gh+ITBURVEiA6+3F5Pk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:34:01 +0100 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic Guitar effects quest In-Reply-To: <143810.70224.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1529_424094.1170851641323" References: <45C38DB3.80004@addcom.de> <143810.70224.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:34:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1529_424094.1170851641323 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi I use the mx200 in my accoustic setup, great sounding and versatile, its now last in my signal chain due to my EDP mono looper check my setup at www.skage.com regarding frequency splitter; i had the pleasure of meeting David Lindley august 06 , His accoustic setup splits the signal and sends a "trebble" and a "bass" signal to house; 2 signals not stereo, sounded pretty damn fine to me Arne 2007/2/3, L.A. Angulo : > > i my ongoing quest for a good efx proccessor for my > stereo acoustic guitar id like to have your input. > At first i was looking for a 2 input stereo floor unit > with tuer poly octave, boost, chorus, delay and reverb > but there isnt any out there as far as i know.So now > i am looking for a rack unit and > I need the follwing features: > > A)2 input and stereo outs for my acoustic stereo > preamp output,i am using a magnetic and transducer. > B)poly octave effect that tracks acoustic guitar good > enough for looping bass sounds(like the boss Oc-3) > C)boost > D)tap delays,old analog dealys and echo simulations > E)easy readable tuner > F)if possible overdrive or distortion > G)A good EQ > H)dual independent channel proccessor > > my recent considerations are: > TC electronics G-force > the latest lexicon boxes like the mx series > > My regards to you and thanx for sharing your > experience! > cheers > Luis > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! > Games. > http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 > > -- Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_Part_1529_424094.1170851641323 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hi I use the mx200 in my accoustic setup, great sounding and versatile, its now last in my signal chain due to my EDP mono looper
check my setup at www.skage.com
 
regarding frequency splitter; i had the pleasure of  meeting David Lindley august 06 , His accoustic setup splits the signal and sends a "trebble" and a "bass" signal to house; 2 signals not stereo, sounded pretty damn fine to me
 
Arne

 
2007/2/3, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>:
i my ongoing quest for a good efx proccessor for my
stereo acoustic guitar id like to have your input.
At first i was looking for a 2 input stereo floor unit
with tuer poly octave, boost, chorus, delay and reverb
but there isnt any out there as far as i know.So now
i am looking for a rack unit and
I need the follwing features:

A)2 input and stereo outs for my acoustic stereo
preamp output,i am using a magnetic and transducer.
B)poly octave effect that tracks acoustic guitar good
enough for looping bass sounds(like the boss Oc-3)
C)boost
D)tap delays,old analog dealys and echo simulations
E)easy readable tuner
F)if possible overdrive or distortion
G)A good EQ
H)dual independent channel proccessor

my recent considerations are:
TC electronics G-force
the latest lexicon boxes like the mx series

My regards to you and thanx for sharing your
experience!
cheers
Luis




www.myspace.com/luisangulocom



____________________________________________________________________________________
Be a PS3 game guru.
Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.
http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121




--
Arne R. Skage jr.

91157204
arne@skage.com
www.skage.com ------=_Part_1529_424094.1170851641323-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 13:25:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38B6D3BEE6; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: Bryan.Phil@kraft.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bass FX Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:25:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C74ABB.657A113B" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2007 13:25:17.0927 (UTC) FILETIME=[68B34F70:01C74ABB] Resent-Message-ID: <_thXAD.A.YyD.ANdyFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:25:20 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C74ABB.657A113B Content-Type: text/plain So this is what Im trying to do. I want to record a loop with my standard unaltered bass sound. Then I would like to be able to be able to add some effects to the bass sound to either overdub or to just play along with the other loop. Id like to get an all-in-one unit (like the pod xt-live, boss ME or GT) however I think that most bass specific units are limited in the type of effects that are available so I have been thinking about getting a guitar unit. Is this possible or will it kill the low-end from my sound? I still want it to be able to sound like a bass just with some added effects. Of course there will be times when I don't mind that there is not a lot of low end but for the most part I need the "BIG BOTTOM." ------_=_NextPart_001_01C74ABB.657A113B Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bass FX

So this is what Im trying to do.
I want to record a loop  with my standard = unaltered bass sound.  Then I would like to be able to be able to = add some effects to the bass sound to either overdub or to just play = along with the other loop.  Id like to get an all-in-one unit = (like the pod xt-live, boss ME or GT) however I think that most bass = specific units are limited in the type of effects that are available so = I have been thinking about getting a guitar unit.

Is this possible or will it kill the low-end from my = sound?  I still want it to be able to sound like a bass just with = some added effects.  Of course there will be times when I don't = mind that there is not a lot of low end but for the most part I need = the "BIG BOTTOM."

------_=_NextPart_001_01C74ABB.657A113B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 13:32:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 112343BEE4; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <45C92F36.8060801@rhein-zeitung.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--725556701 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: bernhard's music Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 05:32:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:32:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--725556701 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Very nice stuff Bernhard! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 6-Feb-07, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> this is the first looping piece I recorded that I like - happened >> quite by accident this evening, when I was playing around with the >> Mo-FX delay and the alesis metavox - suddenly the basic loop was >> there and I started to jam over it. --Apple-Mail-4--725556701 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Very nice stuff Bernhard! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 6-Feb-07, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: this is the first looping piece I recorded that I like - happened quite by accident this evening, when I was playing around with the Mo-FX delay and the alesis metavox - suddenly the basic loop was there and I started to jam over it. --Apple-Mail-4--725556701-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 13:34:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECCF03BEE2; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: Great music - looping Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 05:34:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <20070207105421.95861.qmail@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcdKpqI41efNqzCSTDGw/pkH2GS5XwAFeJbQ Message-Id: <200702070536234.SM17156@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd5c506220000f834.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:34:09 +0000 (UTC) If you like Tripping over God, check out Polytown (my current favorite = CD) David Torn and Mik Karn . -Qua -----Original Message----- From: rune fagereng [mailto:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no]=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:54 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com; repeater-users@yahoogroups.com Subject: Great music - looping Hi ! I`ve just got the cd Tripping over God - by David Torn. I am shure many = of you allready got this - to those of you that aint got it - buy it. Its = so great ! There also a new cd from Torn on ECM this spring. best regards Rune Fagereng. Norway www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 =09 =09 =09 _________________________________________________________ Alt i =E9n. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og = notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 13:37:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 596E53BEF9; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:37:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <653390.4088.qm@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <653390.4088.qm@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--725279054 Message-Id: <599e595bcb72abe1faf9329d35b7c351@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Re- my first loop Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 05:37:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:37:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--725279054 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed yeah, I agree Rune... nice! Very 'beat'. Some sounds like guitar and=20 some sounds like samples. MIDI guitar? richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 7-Feb-07, at 12:53 AM, rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > Nice stuff. Is it guitar ? > > Rune Fagereng > > --- Dirk Wilbert skrev: > >> Hello, >> this is the first looping piece I recorded that I >> like - happened quite >> by accident this evening, when I was playing around >> with the Mo-FX delay >> and the alesis metavox - suddenly the basic loop was >> there and I started >> to jam over it. >> I think it's funny that I didn't use Mobius or the >> Digitech Jamman >> Looper (that I bought for this ;-)- must be kind of >> a sign not to focus >> too much on the technical part of looping. >> >> http://www.wilbertmusic.de/Mo-FX_2.mp3 >> >> Hope you enjoy it. >> >> Dirk >> >> > > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > =09 > =09 > =09 > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i =E9n. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > --Apple-Mail-5--725279054 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 yeah, I agree Rune... nice! Very 'beat'. Some sounds like guitar and some sounds like samples. MIDI guitar? Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 7-Feb-07, at 12:53 AM, rune fagereng wrote: Hi ! Nice stuff. Is it guitar ? Rune Fagereng --- Dirk Wilbert < skrev: Hello, this is the first looping piece I recorded that I like - happened quite=20 by accident this evening, when I was playing around with the Mo-FX delay=20 and the alesis metavox - suddenly the basic loop was there and I started=20 to jam over it. I think it's funny that I didn't use Mobius or the Digitech Jamman=20 Looper (that I bought for this ;-)- must be kind of a sign not to focus=20 too much on the technical part of looping. http://www.wilbertmusic.de/Mo-FX_2.mp3 < Hope you enjoy it. Dirk www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 =09 =09 =09 _________________________________________________________ Alt i =E9n. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com = --Apple-Mail-5--725279054-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 14:18:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F17293BEEA; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hNOy02mcVJTNa9Jv06+HAKEK7ZTK263n27FM/Sr9rcv43iwHKkdC8vyqsqpiy4pi8YpQgUFZ6dpYVfTTj4WQqK6SK37qPnKI7SPQDpLi1QlQsGVRalRF1xdclHjnbIpBS870MjvX8z7iENLoT4wJYwIVJq+eO6DUDT4iYlpf2ZA= Message-ID: <913728d60702070618s6521b076ub298519dae24a00c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:18:46 -0600 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bass FX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:18:51 +0000 (UTC) I have used a lot of processors that are designed for guitars and i've never had much of a problem with the processor in the effect loop of the amp. If you don't have an effect loop on your amp, A loooper-type pedal (not looper, loooper) with a clean blend might be your ticket :) Charlie On 2/7/07, Bryan.Phil@kraft.com wrote: > > > > So this is what Im trying to do. > I want to record a loop with my standard unaltered bass sound. Then I > would like to be able to be able to add some effects to the bass sound to > either overdub or to just play along with the other loop. Id like to get an > all-in-one unit (like the pod xt-live, boss ME or GT) however I think that > most bass specific units are limited in the type of effects that are > available so I have been thinking about getting a guitar unit. > > Is this possible or will it kill the low-end from my sound? I still want it > to be able to sound like a bass just with some added effects. Of course > there will be times when I don't mind that there is not a lot of low end but > for the most part I need the "BIG BOTTOM." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 14:29:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 938A43BEFC; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bRsTRVRBfS56HrP5ZnswpKssxbWZ9MRfrTscnYMICRVdaYyVqkFJekVMYXS2RbLn0rWOzijfhIDmtrpSb3kpO/hPuOaU/UdRO4jsSkRb06Nr6yGKp/V2vBgP8QkVnII7acyNz11yCouHWWJFtRgjU615+VoZ5AkAaiMbRFitq0I=; X-YMail-OSG: kYGF6wAVM1npQUbA2eNca4tfCbjaTRP2k0B1BVVfJ3370qFhJVhhg.wyZ74mf6Arb_tm_nrSrWJR2v3ueJ72JYAHHeOH6qJ5hdz4C6AjtKMwtAB5wP_uonGV0exNzK9x8VL63DJuCtlh Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:29:38 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: RE: Great music - looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200702070536234.SM17156@quahome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <232437.70239.qm@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! Thanks. I will do that. best regards Rune F. --- Qua Veda skrev: > If you like Tripping over God, check out Polytown > (my current favorite CD) > David Torn and Mik Karn . > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: rune fagereng [mailto:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no] > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:54 AM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com; > repeater-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Great music - looping > > Hi ! > > I`ve just got the cd Tripping over God - by David > Torn. I am shure many of > you allready got this - to those of you that aint > got it - buy it. Its so > great ! > > There also a new cd from Torn on ECM this spring. > > best regards Rune Fagereng. Norway > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, > kalender og notisblokk. > http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > > www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 14:40:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FD803BEF0; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qrlnWIo3v8OkTNA+ZgmrzPoEck3pcvik/nB4a9eX+9bnWi2JTqb2hwygPdQzTjGcqgqTxLPkyUBoGOOX4W3xPv1Ho2NNAY8txIXE3f/guw/Tm4KHv2lKDE7Oe43ygn2dCnf0Nv6UmTe1XAG1BKh1ofjGmpw60+K1nE5KCibsQ2I= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 07:40:00 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bass FX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:40:03 +0000 (UTC) On 2/7/07, Bryan.Phil@kraft.com wrote: > I want to record a loop with my standard unaltered bass sound. Then I > would like to be able to be able to add some effects to the bass sound to > either overdub or to just play along with the other loop. That's what I do now... :-) > Id like to get an all-in-one unit I use an Eventide GTR4000 in front of my Looperlative. I don't know what kind of money you want to spend, but if you ever try one of these guys, you'll never go back! > Is this possible or will it kill the low-end from my sound? For bass effects, I usually roll a bit off the bottom end with an EQ. How much and at what frequency will depend upon lots of things like your pickups, speakers, amp, etc. You can also adjust the "wet/dry" mix to send the clean signal through so you still get the "umph" underneath the effects. Setting up different patches with different amounts of roll off and different wet/dry balances will give you a lot of options for your tone. Have fun, Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 14:44:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C48433BEFF; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, repeater-users@yahoogroups.com, rune fagereng Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:43:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Great music - looping Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <45C9E5AB.9859.F1FEED@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20070207105421.95861.qmail@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:44:05 +0000 (UTC) On 7 Feb 2007 at 11:54, rune fagereng wrote: > I`ve just got the cd Tripping over God - by David > Torn. I am shure many of you allready got this - to > those of you that aint got it - buy it. Its so great ! You should get "what means soild traveller" - similar territory, similarly inspired... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 16:11:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8734C3BEF1; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=GQEy5j3uV7+f1RcQ6ArVi9L6QHcGuLkpearCypLIwROp7bVMX1NTQcISuuSnW4HnP1epW1WRK19q5CkRC2i1HECCBbQoKzM+s1Z5hVgXrfN1VbwKV4ukeJNoCu57Efzp+jtvmFmK2ITit19Unhydt45TIR5/c6mHGomGhyImGQc= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0702070811v6b8009a3p85be764f55436d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:11:13 -0600 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ambient/Experimental/Instrumental Loop (using my new Boss RC50!!) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5390_25352466.1170864673750" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:11:27 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5390_25352466.1170864673750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have a new song that I made with my Boss RC-50 If anybody is interested in the sound quality or the actual song..lol Project name: Folks and Peas Song name: hanabee Type: 192kbps mp3 http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76/hanabee.mp3 Thanks! -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_5390_25352466.1170864673750 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have a new song that I made with my Boss RC-50
If anybody is interested in the sound quality
or the actual song..lol

Project name: Folks and Peas
Song name: hanabee
Type: 192kbps mp3

http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76/hanabee.mp3

Thanks!

--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_5390_25352466.1170864673750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 17:08:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 269E83BED6; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fnBFC0Yx5afP58B+Z4AvTd0B3GNhGiRckJgERzDKbnygUEgU4w0NNlbLGjJfuZcI8C/u3GcxxT7xOUpdE0CWuZwhl0DfM61owlMU1ZPoSknuzA9FaDocgkx5lxLwpBLGqmo2mXG+UP0h0pcREHwLxqlWndUyC1BoIHxDJYXNkpA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <55e79c0d0702070811v6b8009a3p85be764f55436d@mail.gmail.com> References: <55e79c0d0702070811v6b8009a3p85be764f55436d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6EFBC24E-1A98-4EC7-850B-B991D8161DAF@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ambient/Experimental/Instrumental Loop (using my new Boss RC50!!) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:08:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:08:46 +0000 (UTC) On 7 feb 2007, at 17.11, Dan Katayama wrote: > I have a new song that I made with my Boss RC-50 > If anybody is interested in the sound quality > or the actual song..lol > > Project name: Folks and Peas > Song name: hanabee > Type: 192kbps mp3 > > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76/hanabee.mp3 Very nice "lunatic" mode. Reminds me a bit about the first version of the band Mercury Rev. Before the first vocalist left the band. They did strange pop songs with those kinds of dissonant guitar glissandi. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 17:16:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79A5F3BF01; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <55e79c0d0702070811v6b8009a3p85be764f55436d@mail.gmail.com> References: <55e79c0d0702070811v6b8009a3p85be764f55436d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--712145468 Message-Id: <29369c4aed1130949d905e4f28ad23ee@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Ambient/Experimental/Instrumental Loop (using my new Boss RC50!!) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:16:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:16:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--712145468 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cool! When listening I had an alternate title for you: "Who poured LSD in the Honey Bee Hive?" When the portmento sound, is that a guitar? ... came in I thought it sounded like a honey bee on a hallucinogen. I smiled and thought it was cool. At first I thought it was one of those percussion things Hendrix used to use. Can't remember what it's called now. Not a vibra slap... hummmmm???? So, second alternate title, "Honeybees on Hallucinogens" The title reminds me a friend's record "Dead Bees On A Cake". Keep it up! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 7-Feb-07, at 8:11 AM, Dan Katayama wrote: > I have a new song that I made with my Boss RC-50 > If anybody is interested in the sound quality > or the actual song..lol > > Project name: Folks and Peas > Song name: hanabee > Type: 192kbps mp3 > > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76/hanabee.mp3 > > Thanks! > > -- > kosukeweb > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 --Apple-Mail-6--712145468 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Cool! When listening I had an alternate title for you: "Who poured LSD in the Honey Bee Hive?" When the portmento sound, is that a guitar? ... came in I thought it sounded like a honey bee on a hallucinogen. I smiled and thought it was cool. At first I thought it was one of those percussion things Hendrix used to use. Can't remember what it's called now. Not a vibra slap... hummmmm???? So, second alternate title, "Honeybees on Hallucinogens" The title reminds me a friend's record "Dead Bees On A Cake". Keep it up! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 7-Feb-07, at 8:11 AM, Dan Katayama wrote: I have a new song that I made with my Boss RC-50 If anybody is interested in the sound quality or the actual song..lol Project name: Folks and Peas Song name: hanabee Type: 192kbps mp3 0000,0000,EEEE http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76/hanabee.mp3 Thanks! -- kosukeweb 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 --Apple-Mail-6--712145468-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 17:23:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C928C3BF02; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=VSukBk8ssEgqMNVDIJ1D/u7bblKGQD8gQpFnJr4ENfiU3S22tHPaczBnL71M4u1YzzwA7MHoo6YdpfeZdMRSzmU5jBgCaG36T8G0aqeew9X6iJPrUZzlS9M739LeKEQIgnGDLzZd1fm2FbxOs+EY3a0Zn+WKNiRbTgdJ/vRmh40= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0702070923q132ffc50ub5fd5385773b0dbe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:23:31 -0600 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ambient/Experimental/Instrumental Loop (using my new Boss RC50!!) In-Reply-To: <6EFBC24E-1A98-4EC7-850B-B991D8161DAF@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6268_28008704.1170869011973" References: <55e79c0d0702070811v6b8009a3p85be764f55436d@mail.gmail.com> <6EFBC24E-1A98-4EC7-850B-B991D8161DAF@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:23:41 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6268_28008704.1170869011973 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks very much for the response. Mercury Rev is a band I've been wanting to check out. I have heard alot of recordings done by the person in Mercury Rev. I believe he owns tarbox studios in NY. 2007/2/7, Per Boysen : > > On 7 feb 2007, at 17.11, Dan Katayama wrote: > > > I have a new song that I made with my Boss RC-50 > > If anybody is interested in the sound quality > > or the actual song..lol > > > > Project name: Folks and Peas > > Song name: hanabee > > Type: 192kbps mp3 > > > > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76/hanabee.mp3 > > > Very nice "lunatic" mode. Reminds me a bit about the first version of > the band Mercury Rev. Before the first vocalist left the band. They > did strange pop songs with those kinds of dissonant guitar glissandi. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > > -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_6268_28008704.1170869011973 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks very much for the response.
Mercury Rev is a band I've been wanting to check out.
I have heard alot of recordings done by the person in Mercury Rev.
I believe he owns tarbox studios in NY.



2007/2/7, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:
On 7 feb 2007, at 17.11, Dan Katayama wrote:

> I have a new song that I made with my Boss RC-50
> If anybody is interested in the sound quality
> or the actual song..lol
>
> Project name: Folks and Peas
> Song name: hanabee
> Type: 192kbps mp3
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76/hanabee.mp3


Very nice "lunatic" mode. Reminds me a bit about the first version of
the band Mercury Rev. Before the first vocalist left the band. They
did strange pop songs with those kinds of dissonant guitar glissandi.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release)





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http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_6268_28008704.1170869011973-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 17:25:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9283F3BF12; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PKQD+2mSLevzkjmSdOmyNmAxeeqfdj5L0AtjHV5BPJzC1Hm3q5dt58AWvcpFz0l78RRYVnfsTORgW7PpujAPk66KUFbjM4g+3LVq46xsYYc7pQv1tQi48ADmhamWEeK+r9QndaSW45DW3AMRVZKXCVMdhL80VrcU8ylSxD2jV/g= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0702070925p4fd7a42aha23c9d29cca0324@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:25:22 -0600 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ambient/Experimental/Instrumental Loop (using my new Boss RC50!!) In-Reply-To: <29369c4aed1130949d905e4f28ad23ee@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6296_19178001.1170869122697" References: <55e79c0d0702070811v6b8009a3p85be764f55436d@mail.gmail.com> <29369c4aed1130949d905e4f28ad23ee@glasswing.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:25:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6296_19178001.1170869122697 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks alot! I really like your titles..lol Hanabee actually means "fireworks" in japanese..lol the first loop you hear is actually a wind chime i had out on my balcony over the summer. the rest is all piano. thx again for ur response! 2007/2/7, Richard Sales : > > Cool! When listening I had an alternate title for you: > > "Who poured LSD in the Honey Bee Hive?" > > When the portmento sound, is that a guitar? ... came in I thought it > sounded like a honey bee on a hallucinogen. I smiled and thought it > was cool. At first I thought it was one of those percussion things > Hendrix used to use. Can't remember what it's called now. Not a vibra > slap... hummmmm???? > > So, second alternate title, "Honeybees on Hallucinogens" > > The title reminds me a friend's record "Dead Bees On A Cake". > > Keep it up! > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 7-Feb-07, at 8:11 AM, Dan Katayama wrote: > > > I have a new song that I made with my Boss RC-50 > > If anybody is interested in the sound quality > > or the actual song..lol > > > > Project name: Folks and Peas > > Song name: hanabee > > Type: 192kbps mp3 > > > > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76/hanabee.mp3 > > > > Thanks! > > > > -- > > kosukeweb > > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_6296_19178001.1170869122697 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks alot!
I really like your titles..lol
Hanabee actually means "fireworks" in japanese..lol

the first loop you hear is actually a wind chime i had out on my balcony over the summer.
the rest is all piano.

thx again for ur response!


2007/2/7, Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com>:
Cool!  When listening I had an alternate title for you:

"Who poured LSD in the Honey Bee Hive?"

When the portmento sound, is that a guitar? ... came in I thought it
sounded like a honey bee on a hallucinogen.  I smiled and thought it
was cool.  At first I thought it was one of those percussion things
Hendrix used to use.  Can't remember what it's called now.  Not a vibra
slap... hummmmm????

So, second alternate title, "Honeybees on Hallucinogens"

The title reminds me a friend's record "Dead Bees On A Cake".

Keep it up!

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On 7-Feb-07, at 8:11 AM, Dan Katayama wrote:

> I have a new song that I made with my Boss RC-50
> If anybody is interested in the sound quality
> or the actual song..lol
>
> Project name: Folks and Peas
> Song name: hanabee
> Type: 192kbps mp3
>
>  http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76/hanabee.mp3
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> kosukeweb
> http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76



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http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_6296_19178001.1170869122697-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 17:26:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19DCF3BF0E; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <55e79c0d0702070811v6b8009a3p85be764f55436d@mail.gmail.com> References: <55e79c0d0702070811v6b8009a3p85be764f55436d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--711539763 Message-Id: From: Soma Estudios Subject: Re: Ambient/Experimental/Instrumental Loop (using my new Boss RC50!!) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:26:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at terra.com.pe Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:26:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--711539763 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed El 07/02/2007, a las 11:11 AM, Dan Katayama escribi=F3: > I have a new song that I made with my Boss RC-50 > If anybody is interested in the sound quality > or the actual song..lol > > Project name: Folks and Peas > Song name: hanabee > Type: 192kbps mp3 > > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76/hanabee.mp3 > > Thanks! > > --=20 > kosukeweb > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 Nice piece Dan!!! C=E9sar= --Apple-Mail-2--711539763 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
El 07/02/2007, a = las 11:11 AM, Dan Katayama escribi=F3:

I have a = new song that I made with my Boss RC-50
If anybody is interested in = the sound quality
or the actual song..lol

Project name: Folks = and Peas
Song name: hanabee
Type: 192kbps mp3

= http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76/hanabee.mp3

Thanks!

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http://home.comcast.net/~kka= tayama76

Nice piece Dan!!!

C=E9sar
= --Apple-Mail-2--711539763-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 17:48:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 634513BEF1; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45CA10DD.5040904@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:48:13 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: my first loop References: <45C92F36.8060801@rhein-zeitung.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: > On 7 feb 2007, at 02.45, Dirk Wilbert wrote: > >> Hello, >> this is the first looping piece I recorded that I like - happened >> quite by accident this evening, when I was playing around with the >> Mo-FX delay and the alesis metavox - suddenly the basic loop was >> there and I started to jam over it. >> I think it's funny that I didn't use Mobius or the Digitech Jamman >> Looper (that I bought for this ;-)- must be kind of a sign not to >> focus too much on the technical part of looping. >> >> http://www.wilbertmusic.de/Mo-FX_2.mp3 >> >> Hope you enjoy it. > > > Awesome! I like it a lot. Not "the loop" only, but the way you play > over the loop to make it interesting. As sparse as the monotone loop > goes you play very delicate, implying a lot without actually going > there. That's the way to build up strong emotions. Just like watching > a horror movie that scares the shit out of you because the monster > never comes out but every second feels like the beast is gonna break > out of the ground the very next second... > > I think what you might mean when you write "not to focus too much on > the technical part of looping" is that you don't want to play the > looper? If you are focused on an instrument it may at first sight seem > "technical" to view a looper as a musical instrument. I mean, the way > you play music (with great ears) you should know that ANY focusing on > ANYTHING except the music at hand would be nothing but devastating ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > > Thank you, Per! I agree - the focus should be on the music. In the last few months I was often focused on technical gear and home-studio-cabling ;-). I read a lot about loopers and bought the Jamman Looper to get over the time until something like the boss RC50 in an enhanced version will hit the market. After thinking so much about the right gear I find it funny that I didn't use the dedicated looper - I own the TC M300 for some years now - and never realized that I can use its delay for looping... Finally it's all about the music ;-) Greetings from Germany, Dirk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 17:52:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E5BB3BEF7; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45CA11CD.4050207@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:52:13 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re- my first loop References: <653390.4088.qm@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <653390.4088.qm@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi - it's a Yamaha CP33 stage piano's E.Piano sound (and later a Roland P330 clavinet sound) run through a Behringer V-Amp and some other effects like the MXR Phase100 phaser and the TC M300 (delay). Dirk rune fagereng schrieb: > Hi ! > > Nice stuff. Is it guitar ? > > Rune Fagereng > > --- Dirk Wilbert skrev: > > >> Hello, >> this is the first looping piece I recorded that I >> like - happened quite >> by accident this evening, when I was playing around >> with the Mo-FX delay >> and the alesis metavox - suddenly the basic loop was >> there and I started >> to jam over it. >> I think it's funny that I didn't use Mobius or the >> Digitech Jamman >> Looper (that I bought for this ;-)- must be kind of >> a sign not to focus >> too much on the technical part of looping. >> >> http://www.wilbertmusic.de/Mo-FX_2.mp3 >> >> Hope you enjoy it. >> >> Dirk >> >> >> > > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 17:59:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 946663BEF5; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45CA1375.8060900@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:59:17 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re- my first loop References: <653390.4088.qm@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <599e595bcb72abe1faf9329d35b7c351@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <599e595bcb72abe1faf9329d35b7c351@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm, I don't understand 'beat' ... do you have some other word for what you mean ? ... it's a Yamaha CP33 stage piano's E.Piano sound (and later a Roland P330 clavinet sound) run through a Behringer V-Amp and some other effects like the MXR Phase100 phaser and the TC M300 (delay). I often try to get guitar-like sounds out of my piano. I like to play guitar a lot - but playing the keys works better. Every time I bring my Guitar to the band rehearsal the other members of my band try to stop me from playing it... Thank you! Dirk Richard Sales schrieb: > yeah, I agree Rune... nice! Very 'beat'. Some sounds like guitar and > some sounds like samples. MIDI guitar? > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 7-Feb-07, at 12:53 AM, rune fagereng wrote: > > Hi ! > > Nice stuff. Is it guitar ? > > Rune Fagereng > > --- Dirk Wilbert skrev: > > Hello, > this is the first looping piece I recorded that I > like - happened quite > by accident this evening, when I was playing around > with the Mo-FX delay > and the alesis metavox - suddenly the basic loop was > there and I started > to jam over it. > I think it's funny that I didn't use Mobius or the > Digitech Jamman > Looper (that I bought for this ;-)- must be kind of > a sign not to focus > too much on the technical part of looping. > > http://www.wilbertmusic.de/Mo-FX_2.mp3 > > Hope you enjoy it. > > Dirk > > > > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 18:12:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 589963BEFA; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:12:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45CA16A1.1040309@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 12:12:49 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Great music - looping References: <45C9E5AB.9859.F1FEED@nick.12testing.net> In-Reply-To: <45C9E5AB.9859.F1FEED@nick.12testing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:12:53 +0000 (UTC) There's always the album that has remained one of my favorites of all time, by any artist in any style, Torn's 1987 "Cloud About Mercury". It's a band record, with a helluva band, Tony Levin, Bill Bruford, Mark Isham. It was my first real exposure to looping other than seeing "our own" Douglas Baldwin live around that time (I still have a cassette album I bought then, with "The Long Dance" on it). For marrying technology with innovation with interesting composition with unbelievable depth of feeling, "Cloud" is my top pick. I heart DT. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com >> I`ve just got the cd Tripping over God - by David >> Torn. I am shure many of you allready got this - to >> those of you that aint got it - buy it. Its so great ! >> > > You should get "what means soild traveller" - similar territory, > similarly inspired... 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 19:00:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 649D83BECD; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45CA21E0.7070108@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:00:48 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bernhard's music References: <45C92F36.8060801@rhein-zeitung.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Hi - I'm Dirk ;-) (I wrote the posting "my first loop") If you liked it - thank you! I listened to Bernhard's music, too - very nice! Dirk Richard Sales schrieb: > Very nice stuff Bernhard! > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 6-Feb-07, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > this is the first looping piece I recorded that I like - > happened quite by accident this evening, when I was playing > around with the Mo-FX delay and the alesis metavox - suddenly > the basic loop was there and I started to jam over it. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 19:30:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88AC93BEE7; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:30:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <45CA21E0.7070108@rhein-zeitung.de> References: <45C92F36.8060801@rhein-zeitung.de> <45CA21E0.7070108@rhein-zeitung.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--704124824 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: bernhard's music Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:30:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:30:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--704124824 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Now I'm confused. I think I heard yours yesterday and liked IT too! But what's the URL again? richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 7-Feb-07, at 11:00 AM, Dirk Wilbert wrote: > Hi - I'm Dirk ;-) > (I wrote the posting "my first loop") > If you liked it - thank you! > > I listened to Bernhard's music, too - very nice! > > Dirk > > > Richard Sales schrieb: >> Very nice stuff Bernhard! >> >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> vancouver island, b.c. >> 800.545.6846 >> 250.752.4816 >> www.glassWing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >> On 6-Feb-07, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> this is the first looping piece I recorded that I like - >> happened quite by accident this evening, when I was playing >> around with the Mo-FX delay and the alesis metavox - suddenly >> the basic loop was there and I started to jam over it. >> > --Apple-Mail-1--704124824 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Now I'm confused. I think I heard yours yesterday and liked IT too! But what's the URL again? Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 7-Feb-07, at 11:00 AM, Dirk Wilbert wrote: Hi - I'm Dirk ;-) (I wrote the posting "my first loop") If you liked it - thank you! I listened to Bernhard's music, too - very nice! Dirk Richard Sales schrieb: Very nice stuff Bernhard! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 6-Feb-07, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: this is the first looping piece I recorded that I like - happened quite by accident this evening, when I was playing around with the Mo-FX delay and the alesis metavox - suddenly the basic loop was there and I started to jam over it. --Apple-Mail-1--704124824-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 19:33:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D0C53BEE6; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:33:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <55e79c0d0702070811v6b8009a3p85be764f55436d@mail.gmail.com> References: <55e79c0d0702070811v6b8009a3p85be764f55436d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11--703930070 Message-Id: From: Teddy Subject: Re: Ambient/Experimental/Instrumental Loop (using my new Boss RC50!!) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:33:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:33:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11--703930070 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed that's really cool, thanks for sharing Teddy On Feb 7, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Dan Katayama wrote: > I have a new song that I made with my Boss RC-50 > If anybody is interested in the sound quality > or the actual song..lol > > Project name: Folks and Peas > Song name: hanabee > Type: 192kbps mp3 > > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76/hanabee.mp3 > > Thanks! > > -- > kosukeweb > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 --Apple-Mail-11--703930070 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII that's really cool, thanks for = sharing

Teddy

On Feb 7, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Dan Katayama wrote:

I have a = new song that I made with my Boss RC-50
If anybody is interested in = the sound quality
or the actual song..lol

Project name: Folks = and Peas
Song name: hanabee
Type: 192kbps mp3

= http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76/hanabee.mp3

Thanks!

--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kka= tayama76


<= /SPAN>
= --Apple-Mail-11--703930070-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 19:38:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70DEA3BEE4; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:38:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45CA2AC6.9080706@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:38:46 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bernhard's music References: <45C92F36.8060801@rhein-zeitung.de> <45CA21E0.7070108@rhein-zeitung.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:38:39 +0000 (UTC) http://www.wilbertmusic.de/Mo-FX_2.mp3 ;-) Dirk Wilbert Richard Sales schrieb: > Now I'm confused. I think I heard yours yesterday and liked IT too! > But what's the URL again? > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 7-Feb-07, at 11:00 AM, Dirk Wilbert wrote: > > Hi - I'm Dirk ;-) > (I wrote the posting "my first loop") > If you liked it - thank you! > > I listened to Bernhard's music, too - very nice! > > Dirk > > > Richard Sales schrieb: > > Very nice stuff Bernhard! > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 6-Feb-07, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > this is the first looping piece I recorded that I like - > happened quite by accident this evening, when I was playing > around with the Mo-FX delay and the alesis metavox - suddenly > the basic loop was there and I started to jam over it. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 19:41:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B58CE3BEE7; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=U/SklIDVIehcqSrSE2ephH9suzfnXnGXYu4R9tTO7yNBnDfEWqz2wgtNYlqKYi00gmITAE/lUIxMIxaVq0mdn/bOdELhJMB6PZnF7tl7G8g61/7jO4pzkeAgyAQAFQD7diqD8+j/c1fLX+Rx7ylNywpEF6KNS7amvO0QlV51FsA=; X-YMail-OSG: TQ5iij4VM1mpLpTIhtpG.itxZWN9BbtsUQygudHIV2QfAuoyksSf9KbLlgRmfi_p95Y72AQ2QICYxTzOYEVRz66FsVAfp.zkpPrvy1hCkXL02ZF.mCWf9UZW5VDJnlcbcCn0pcAyEIMhX4kIfCrvJKZOjnSeG3DDSZ.AgOFdX30SWgCuA1FYGDAnAFjF Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:41:40 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Bass FX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <926911.75179.qm@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:41:43 +0000 (UTC) I run my computer based rig like this all the time and it's a way cheaper path than the Eventide/Looperlative route, if cash is an issue. I think the key to getting a clean sound but effects on a loop is having a mixer with effects sends. This way you can really mix and match your looper/effects to suit your instrument and taste. Mark --- Doug Wellington wrote: > On 2/7/07, Bryan.Phil@kraft.com > wrote: > > I want to record a loop with my standard > unaltered bass sound. Then I > > would like to be able to be able to add some > effects to the bass sound to > > either overdub or to just play along with the > other loop. > > That's what I do now... :-) > > > Id like to get an all-in-one unit > > I use an Eventide GTR4000 in front of my > Looperlative. I don't know > what kind of money you want to spend, but if you > ever try one of these > guys, you'll never go back! > > > Is this possible or will it kill the low-end from > my sound? > > For bass effects, I usually roll a bit off the > bottom end with an EQ. > How much and at what frequency will depend upon lots > of things like > your pickups, speakers, amp, etc. You can also > adjust the "wet/dry" > mix to send the clean signal through so you still > get the "umph" > underneath the effects. Setting up different > patches with different > amounts of roll off and different wet/dry balances > will give you a lot > of options for your tone. > > Have fun, > Doug > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 19:44:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 140B13BEE9; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <45CA2AC6.9080706@rhein-zeitung.de> References: <45C92F36.8060801@rhein-zeitung.de> <45CA21E0.7070108@rhein-zeitung.de> <45CA2AC6.9080706@rhein-zeitung.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--703245088 Message-Id: <2b3478f78dc3e76106e432b1ed895e8b@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: bernhard's music Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:44:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <99O8cB.A.K7B.vwiyFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:44:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--703245088 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Oh yeah! That's the 'beat' music. By 'beat' I mean beatnik... which from me is a very high compliment! Honest! I think I commented on this yesterday. Cool stuff. Very creative. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 7-Feb-07, at 11:38 AM, Dirk Wilbert wrote: > http://www.wilbertmusic.de/Mo-FX_2.mp3 > > ;-) > > Dirk Wilbert > > Richard Sales schrieb: >> Now I'm confused. I think I heard yours yesterday and liked IT too! >> But what's the URL again? >> >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> vancouver island, b.c. >> 800.545.6846 >> 250.752.4816 >> www.glassWing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >> On 7-Feb-07, at 11:00 AM, Dirk Wilbert wrote: >> >> Hi - I'm Dirk ;-) >> (I wrote the posting "my first loop") >> If you liked it - thank you! >> >> I listened to Bernhard's music, too - very nice! >> >> Dirk >> >> >> Richard Sales schrieb: >> >> Very nice stuff Bernhard! >> >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> vancouver island, b.c. >> 800.545.6846 >> 250.752.4816 >> www.glassWing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >> On 6-Feb-07, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> this is the first looping piece I recorded that I like - >> happened quite by accident this evening, when I was playing >> around with the Mo-FX delay and the alesis metavox - suddenly >> the basic loop was there and I started to jam over it. >> >> > --Apple-Mail-5--703245088 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Oh yeah! That's the 'beat' music. By 'beat' I mean beatnik... which from me is a very high compliment! Honest! I think I commented on this yesterday. Cool stuff. Very creative. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 7-Feb-07, at 11:38 AM, Dirk Wilbert wrote: http://www.wilbertmusic.de/Mo-FX_2.mp3 ;-) Dirk Wilbert Richard Sales schrieb: Now I'm confused. I think I heard yours yesterday and liked IT too! But what's the URL again? richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 7-Feb-07, at 11:00 AM, Dirk Wilbert wrote: Hi - I'm Dirk ;-) (I wrote the posting "my first loop") If you liked it - thank you! I listened to Bernhard's music, too - very nice! Dirk Richard Sales schrieb: Very nice stuff Bernhard! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 6-Feb-07, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: this is the first looping piece I recorded that I like - happened quite by accident this evening, when I was playing around with the Mo-FX delay and the alesis metavox - suddenly the basic loop was there and I started to jam over it. --Apple-Mail-5--703245088-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 19:46:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00A313BEF4; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tkv0TlWJkaXUHeNqRIetq+DMYAn1OHATRriL6qkFMn8CUE/TojyX+ZyefeFv4AaCdpyBn7cJdRkzVpZmA0vsHv67F4Wc6WeB8A2pvR61koqnIuCAa0QOZpGn4Li10GKKB+KMtI5VPB1UPm2L1aHLPaczzFXU8LMVQ5EumY24AS4= ; Message-ID: <20070207194625.92636.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: zql69ewVM1nY3uOo8bl4F0IVpWgCPZ8YaI3bSel9 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:46:25 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Ambient/Experimental/Instrumental Loop (using my new Boss RC50!!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <55e79c0d0702070811v6b8009a3p85be764f55436d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Good job, I quite like the tune and the sound quality seems nice. Mark --- Dan Katayama wrote: > I have a new song that I made with my Boss RC-50 > If anybody is interested in the sound quality > or the actual song..lol > > Project name: Folks and Peas > Song name: hanabee > Type: 192kbps mp3 > > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76/hanabee.mp3 > > Thanks! > > -- > kosukeweb > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 20:29:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8750D3BEEA; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 20:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fBKdfc6He41bU2S+xMzr5memDBs+ySjtbY9L4YHdmJMih6NgbaPTmomb4xEZM5AqSVIyYIFh54BjylUYf2DQEe45vBDJZ9J4mmeXeop5XzlXOzYoS1l7/GivkV2PwkJ4762YKPUZcGGPc8AdWiTu9+c6UQ49Sml7hkDb4LGL0Bg= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:29:42 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bass FX In-Reply-To: <926911.75179.qm@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <926911.75179.qm@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 20:29:50 +0000 (UTC) On 2/7/07, mark sottilaro wrote: > I run my computer based rig like this all the time and > it's a way cheaper path than the Eventide/Looperlative > route, if cash is an issue. Yeah, that's why I qualified my statement with the comment about how much to spend. I probably have $2500 invested in that part of my loop rig. Heck, the Looperlative alone cost as much as my Macbook did, but after using the LP1, I just don't want to deal with a laptop for looping anymore... (I like to follow the old motto of, "buy the best and cry only once!") > I think the key to getting a clean sound but effects > on a loop is having a mixer with effects sends. Any suggestions for a decent small mixer with a bunch of sends? I recently heard about the Shure Auxpander and I wonder if that might be worth looking into... Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 21:16:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E42E93BEE0; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=P6yWYaZ/hztQfnFyyYqWO2TWg7SwB95leR43kH3lj5oSfMH6R8kXbjRPDQOi4y2EGi7XMdgY6VROoRpNO9EjYAwxB2VtWVdusnJBI/jhERWHylqg+keb5732BdmQsw/nBw39Ux1yEvcSPuFLgV4qDt44hKtVmGAch7vpjuAoO38= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:16:04 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bass FX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5540_4382693.1170882964050" References: <926911.75179.qm@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:16:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5540_4382693.1170882964050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The Behringer's are inexpensive and decent. Some people have issues with Behringer, and some people say they aren't really road worthy, but there it is. I have 2 and I like 'em. http://www.behringer.com/UB1204/index.cfm?lang=ENG The problem I have with mixer sends is that they aren't stereo, so you lose the nice stereo signal that's coming in from your instrument. That Auxpander looks pretty cool though and it does have stereo sends. Nice. Tony On 2/7/07, Doug Wellington wrote: > > On 2/7/07, mark sottilaro wrote: > > I run my computer based rig like this all the time and > > it's a way cheaper path than the Eventide/Looperlative > > route, if cash is an issue. > > Yeah, that's why I qualified my statement with the comment about how > much to spend. I probably have $2500 invested in that part of my loop > rig. Heck, the Looperlative alone cost as much as my Macbook did, but > after using the LP1, I just don't want to deal with a laptop for > looping anymore... (I like to follow the old motto of, "buy the best > and cry only once!") > > > I think the key to getting a clean sound but effects > > on a loop is having a mixer with effects sends. > > Any suggestions for a decent small mixer with a bunch of sends? I > recently heard about the Shure Auxpander and I wonder if that might be > worth looking into... > > Doug > > -- -==-=-=- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ ------=_Part_5540_4382693.1170882964050 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The Behringer's are inexpensive and decent.  Some people have issues with Behringer, and some people say they aren't really road worthy, but there it is.  I have 2 and I like 'em.

http://www.behringer.com/UB1204/index.cfm?lang=ENG

The problem I have with mixer sends is that they aren't stereo, so you lose the nice stereo signal that's coming in from your instrument.  That Auxpander looks pretty cool though and it does have stereo sends.  Nice.

Tony


On 2/7/07, Doug Wellington <dougwellington@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/7/07, mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I run my computer based rig like this all the time and
> it's a way cheaper path than the Eventide/Looperlative
> route, if cash is an issue.

Yeah, that's why I qualified my statement with the comment about how
much to spend.  I probably have $2500 invested in that part of my loop
rig.  Heck, the Looperlative alone cost as much as my Macbook did, but
after using the LP1, I just don't want to deal with a laptop for
looping anymore...  (I like to follow the old motto of, "buy the best
and cry only once!")

> I think the key to getting a clean sound but effects
> on a loop is having a mixer with effects sends.

Any suggestions for a decent small mixer with a bunch of sends?  I
recently heard about the Shure Auxpander and I wonder if that might be
worth looking into...

Doug




--
-==-=-=-
Tony
http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ ------=_Part_5540_4382693.1170882964050-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 21:49:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1191C3BEE2; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45CA496A.7050602@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:49:30 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops References: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> <1c102629b8e67dc37559a03265de31bd@glasswing.com> <027C78E4-7FFB-44E0-AC4F-4E8A354B87D5@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <027C78E4-7FFB-44E0-AC4F-4E8A354B87D5@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Teddy wrote: > of course, sometimes it IS cool to rush. perfection is not the goal > at all. to me maximum personality and soul are the goal. As Jack > Nicholson said in the movie "Withces of Eastwick", "Passion is > nothing without precision" I guess he has always been playing rushed music. Just to give you an impression what the same guy did 35 years ago, and this isn't the best they did, look for a live recording of Nam Nam (seems not to exist on YouTube though): http://tinyurl.com/29pssc Kraan was a very influencial Band in Germany, with a style that didn't fit into any clear category back then... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 22:04:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E09D3BEE1; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:04:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NGCqfiA6d30vzc5nxGTtWPZBZ1p39Ls28ASBwvPH2wfX1SgyKE9ygEQK6adVTrcHvD8PVdfCJYadrJWygXMMjlFe9nIwDmzGn4YL+8Jix7oytNensQQgtc1puCPZs+sn81MlNqNeTzm8bwIcKCXV9AhQZWw8tr3YIckVRZvtwZM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45CA496A.7050602@addcom.de> References: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> <1c102629b8e67dc37559a03265de31bd@glasswing.com> <027C78E4-7FFB-44E0-AC4F-4E8A354B87D5@mac.com> <45CA496A.7050602@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0D861C0E-135D-48A7-829E-4D1B83061AF8@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 23:04:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:04:23 +0000 (UTC) On 7 feb 2007, at 22.49, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/29pssc > Kraan was a very influencial Band in Germany, with a style that > didn't fit into any clear category back then... wow, I would have loved that in the seventies!! ;-)) I remember being curious about this German band named Kraan, but back then there were few options to listen to new music if you couldn't afford to buy records. So I never found out that they were any good... until today. Thank you, Stefan, for educating us. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 22:41:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93CCC3BEE4; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=rMSqAZw0HIHqE4dejqEPDDCCAgM5ncLf2mt9cNuuGcbVvANSERp8GT9lxZJZChBXiNib7xpLeAIJNf+IW2ATzMGB6H74bXEhZaIvduT2jkmHvqtaopB//IWY74PXpvdpX04ozF3szsc3qNZZwuHz/0rARpjR4wpB1Ux9jFpb8L8= Message-ID: <001101c74b09$124acf70$6401a8c0@GONZALO> From: "Gonzalo//Sonia" To: Subject: Greetings from Argentina Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:41:10 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C74AEF.EB3FBAD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <20A89D.A.dHC.JWlyFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:41:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C74AEF.EB3FBAD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, greetings from the south of the world. New in the loop world Can I ask for: 1. The cheaper loop pedal with midi sync? 2. The best pedal to live performance RC20 or Digitehc JamMan THANKS!!!!!! Gonzo ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C74AEF.EB3FBAD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 22:53:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AF9D3BEDB; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45CA5879.7040509@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 23:53:45 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: name that chord References: <204197.2689.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <204197.2689.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:53:45 +0000 (UTC) bill bigrig wrote: > But why only on an auto panned rhodes and nothing else of the 100s of > souns I've ried. Rig A Rhodes has a slitly inharmonic spectrum, that might just fit better to that chord. Recomended read: Bill Sethares' "Timbre, Spectrum, Scale" which explains why the Gamelan tunings sound best with Gamelan instruments... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 22:56:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 824033BEE2; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <001101c74b09$124acf70$6401a8c0@GONZALO> References: <001101c74b09$124acf70$6401a8c0@GONZALO> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--691714705 Message-Id: From: Soma Estudios Subject: Re: Greetings from Argentina Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:56:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at terra.com.pe Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:56:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--691714705 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hola desde Peru, Yo uso el Jamman, tiene memoria de hasta 6 horas ! y la calidad es de =20= CD.Funciona perfecto. Saludos, C=E9sar El 07/02/2007, a las 05:41 PM, Gonzalo//Sonia escribi=F3: > Hi, greetings from the south of the world. New in the loop world > Can I ask for: > 1. The cheaper loop pedal with midi sync? > 2. The best pedal to live performance RC20 or Digitehc JamMan > THANKS!!!!!! > Gonzo > --Apple-Mail-3--691714705 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hola desde Peru,

Yo uso el Jamman, tiene = memoria de hasta 6 horas ! y la calidad es de CD.Funciona = perfecto.
Saludos,

C=E9sar


El = 07/02/2007, a las 05:41 PM, Gonzalo//Sonia escribi=F3:

Hi, greetings from the = south of the world. New in the loop world
Can I ask = for:
Gonzo


= --Apple-Mail-3--691714705-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 23:50:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 422FD3BEDD; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 23:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <45CA496A.7050602@addcom.de> References: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> <1c102629b8e67dc37559a03265de31bd@glasswing.com> <027C78E4-7FFB-44E0-AC4F-4E8A354B87D5@mac.com> <45CA496A.7050602@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8482632C-F494-4A73-9CEC-1DC7C35CA961@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:50:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: <6_HPwC.A.KuF.DXmyFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 23:50:28 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 7, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Teddy wrote: >> of course, sometimes it IS cool to rush. perfection is not the goal >> at all. to me maximum personality and soul are the goal. As Jack >> Nicholson said in the movie "Withces of Eastwick", "Passion is >> nothing without precision" > > I guess he has always been playing rushed music. Just to give you > an impression what the same guy did 35 years ago, and this isn't > the best they did, look for a live recording of Nam Nam (seems not > to exist on YouTube though): > > http://tinyurl.com/29pssc > > Kraan was a very influencial Band in Germany, with a style that > didn't fit into any clear category back then... > > Stefan wow, that is some very funny music. thanks for sharing. definitely very russian... and I don't mean slavic. what does the title mean? Sara's *ass something* in the black forest? funny funny funny Teddy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 01:39:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D46643BEE2; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 01:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:02:08 -0800 From: JP Mercury Subject: Re: New Music Online In-reply-to: <20070207141853.12C773BEF5@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Per Boysen Message-id: <45CA7690.80705@vcn.bc.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20070207141853.12C773BEF5@arsenic.violacea.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060607 Debian/1.7.12-1.2 Resent-Message-ID: <-LOLGB.A.3hB.l9nyFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 01:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > The music is here: > > http://people.tribe.net/jpmercury > That is remarkably enjoyable music, Mercury! At least to my tastes > :-) Thank you! > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen Thanks for the feedback, Per. :) Cheers, Mercury From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 02:43:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5893A3BED2; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 02:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <926911.75179.qm@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--678173656 Message-Id: <03aa427756ceecf3f05384f68e1c251d@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Doug Wellington Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:42:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <2vheXC.A.yYD.64oyFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 02:43:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--678173656 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed How do we hear your music Doug? I'm in one of those rare moments where I have some time - I can listen to other folks music and learn. Do you have a web page etc? Side note - Just for thrills 'you all' (you can tell I'm originally from south of the Mason Dixon line), I've been also really enjoying the guitar playing of Steve Kimock. His tone is pretty superb! www.kimock.com He has lots of tunes online richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 7-Feb-07, at 12:29 PM, Doug Wellington wrote: > On 2/7/07, mark sottilaro wrote: >> I run my computer based rig like this all the time and >> it's a way cheaper path than the Eventide/Looperlative >> route, if cash is an issue. > > Yeah, that's why I qualified my statement with the comment about how > much to spend. I probably have $2500 invested in that part of my loop > rig. Heck, the Looperlative alone cost as much as my Macbook did, but > after using the LP1, I just don't want to deal with a laptop for > looping anymore... (I like to follow the old motto of, "buy the best > and cry only once!") > >> I think the key to getting a clean sound but effects >> on a loop is having a mixer with effects sends. > > Any suggestions for a decent small mixer with a bunch of sends? I > recently heard about the Shure Auxpander and I wonder if that might be > worth looking into... > > Doug > --Apple-Mail-1--678173656 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII How do we hear your music Doug? I'm in one of those rare moments where I have some time - I can listen to other folks music and learn. Do you have a web page etc? Side note - Just for thrills 'you all' (you can tell I'm originally from south of the Mason Dixon line), I've been also really enjoying the guitar playing of Steve Kimock. His tone is pretty superb! www.kimock.com He has lots of tunes online Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 7-Feb-07, at 12:29 PM, Doug Wellington wrote: On 2/7/07, mark sottilaro < wrote: I run my computer based rig like this all the time and it's a way cheaper path than the Eventide/Looperlative route, if cash is an issue. Yeah, that's why I qualified my statement with the comment about how much to spend. I probably have $2500 invested in that part of my loop rig. Heck, the Looperlative alone cost as much as my Macbook did, but after using the LP1, I just don't want to deal with a laptop for looping anymore... (I like to follow the old motto of, "buy the best and cry only once!") I think the key to getting a clean sound but effects on a loop is having a mixer with effects sends. Any suggestions for a decent small mixer with a bunch of sends? I recently heard about the Shure Auxpander and I wonder if that might be worth looking into... Doug --Apple-Mail-1--678173656-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 03:33:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A5F83BEE4; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 03:33:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Woz Mail" To: Subject: RE: Bass FX Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:32:36 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C74B8D.FA695EF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 03:33:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C74B8D.FA695EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bass FXDon't Boss do a GT8 for Bass? -----Original Message----- From: Bryan.Phil@kraft.com [mailto:Bryan.Phil@kraft.com] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bass FX So this is what Im trying to do. I want to record a loop with my standard unaltered bass sound. Then I would like to be able to be able to add some effects to the bass sound to either overdub or to just play along with the other loop. Id like to get an all-in-one unit (like the pod xt-live, boss ME or GT) however I think that most bass specific units are limited in the type of effects that are available so I have been thinking about getting a guitar unit. Is this possible or will it kill the low-end from my sound? I still want it to be able to sound like a bass just with some added effects. Of course there will be times when I don't mind that there is not a lot of low end but for the most part I need the "BIG BOTTOM." ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C74B8D.FA695EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bass FX
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So this is what Im trying to do.
I=20 want to record a loop  with my standard unaltered bass = sound.  Then=20 I would like to be able to be able to add some effects to the bass = sound to=20 either overdub or to just play along with the other loop.  Id = like to get=20 an all-in-one unit (like the pod xt-live, boss ME or GT) however I = think that=20 most bass specific units are limited in the type of effects that are = available=20 so I have been thinking about getting a guitar unit.

Is this possible or will it kill the low-end from my = sound?  I still want it to be able to sound like a bass just with = some=20 added effects.  Of course there will be times when I don't mind = that=20 there is not a lot of low end but for the most part I need the "BIG=20 BOTTOM."

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C74B8D.FA695EF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 06:36:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 735A83BEE4; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 06:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 07:36:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <45CA496A.7050602@addcom.de> References: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> <1c102629b8e67dc37559a03265de31bd@glasswing.com> <027C78E4-7FFB-44E0-AC4F-4E8A354B87D5@mac.com> <45CA496A.7050602@addcom.de> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 06:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Stefan, > Kraan was a very influencial Band in Germany, with a style that didn't > fit into any clear category back then Judging by what's on YouTube, I'd say it's sort of a cross between Average White Band and Magma - great stuff! -- Ian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 09:02:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E4873BEE1; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:02:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: 'nother mp3 Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <45CAE72D.16516.106505@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:02:45 +0000 (UTC) I've posted a "new" mp3 on my site, a track I rediscovered from about 10 years ago - I'd forgotten I used to play like this - it's interesting to see the phases (no pun) loopers go through and we may well lose old looping "tactics" as we develop new ones. http://www.12testing.net/audio/ping.mp3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 09:13:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C2613BEE4; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <1170925998.11227.1173541605@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: NfNUioyhT8RvwNRRKWyEkrmmpT7Hp7h3/E2s4UnsUjZP 1170925998 From: "James Nash" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: "James Nash" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface Subject: SooperLooper -- problem recording over existing loop Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 01:13:18 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, I'm using SooperLooper as an Audio Unit in Logic 7.2.3 on OS 10.4.8 on an Intel MacPro. So far, it's working great, and I've gotten MIDI control working... sort of... I bind a MIDI command to "record" for a loop, and it works just fine: send the message once and the loop starts recording, send the message again and the loop immediately starts playing back. Great! But... once the loop is playing, it ignores any further MIDI messages to "record." If I press the "record" key on the GUI, I get the correct behavior: stop playback and record over the existing loop. But the MIDI command doesn't do it. Interestingly, if I use the GUI to mute the loop, even though it's still playing back in time, NOW it will respond to the MIDI message to record again... strange. And SooperLooper does respond to *some* MIDI commands during playback--I can send a message to undo the loop, and that works, and at that point, it also responds correctly a subsequent "record" message. But SL ignores the "record" message while the loop is playing. I don't get it... Has anyone else experienced this ? Anyone know why SooperLooper is ignoring my "record" MIDI message while a loop is in playback ? Thanks for any help! James james@nashvillain.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 11:24:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A7963BEE1; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 06:22:14 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <45CB07E6.30802@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:24:36 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Max Corbacho from Barcelona. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Nocturnal Emanations" on Space for Music Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#feb The Vinyl Starter will be from the Puliter Prize winning LP "Time's Encomium" by Charles Wuorinen on Nonesuch Records and released in 1969. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and on the internet. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, February 10 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh All times are EST / GMT-5. ====================================================================== Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm ====================================================================== Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 12:39:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10A743BEDD; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=q2st/9mmoHNekFoq5bkBYxkE+oyKzUxSvcnjq/O2p6BumFIzucxu1BbBUyoDFgOCIntRhx+H9MSc/UVuj5w3Dy2hDapdcjJ/KaNf73obGMXKgo72olhjd7RdLae+KWARh0YCTs5XU//1J1D1cue41rI9nEkzzQ1pxDGr8fyo/E4= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:39:23 -0500 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper -- problem recording over existing loop In-Reply-To: <1170925998.11227.1173541605@webmail.messagingengine.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1170925998.11227.1173541605@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d813df2d1bea8e0b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:39:24 +0000 (UTC) On 2/8/07, James Nash wrote: > I'm using SooperLooper as an Audio Unit in Logic 7.2.3 on OS 10.4.8 on > an Intel MacPro. How have you set up the SL AU in Logic to get midi events? > I bind a MIDI command to "record" for a loop, and it works just fine: > send the message once and the loop starts recording, send the message > again and the loop immediately starts playing back. Great! > > But... once the loop is playing, it ignores any further MIDI messages to > "record." If I press the "record" key on the GUI, I get the correct > behavior: stop playback and record over the existing loop. But the MIDI > command doesn't do it. Can you send me a screenshot of the MIDI bindings tab in SL's preferences window? What MIDI message did you bind to Record? > Interestingly, if I use the GUI to mute the loop, even though it's still > playing back in time, NOW it will respond to the MIDI message to record > again... strange. And SooperLooper does respond to *some* MIDI commands > during playback--I can send a message to undo the loop, and that works, > and at that point, it also responds correctly a subsequent "record" > message. But SL ignores the "record" message while the loop is playing. > I don't get it... > > Has anyone else experienced this ? Anyone know why SooperLooper is > ignoring my "record" MIDI message while a loop is in playback ? I've never seen this behavior. Please feel free to join the SL mailing list and we can continue troubleshooting there: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sooperlooper-users jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 16:20:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 635BA3BEE0; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:20:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eM96edRNFODQEBY1qDOI8yaLDhTSaRX1fBc/ATWfmZO4roj2xjDJWIhnre5K1CC/E22EQXh9oAHgWWDbmEABGdaxYfyC1dngt4ImSmQAKewPccENXSOR0Wemclj7Ts54yInYxnhnufl2a/bCGK2qd2Ca5sk8eY3pf9mE3LbaMCE= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:20:06 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doug Wellington In-Reply-To: <03aa427756ceecf3f05384f68e1c251d@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <926911.75179.qm@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <03aa427756ceecf3f05384f68e1c251d@glasswing.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3hTf1C.A.IgE.520yFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:20:09 +0000 (UTC) On 2/7/07, Richard Sales wrote: > How do we hear your music Doug? Well, at the moment, the only thing I can do is invite you to my performance on February 25th, here in Tucson. (Tucson Museum of Art, 4PM, I'm opening for Michael Hoppe.) > Do you have a web page etc? I have lots of web pages, they just don't have any of my music yet... (I'll try to record the performance and get that posted somewhere...) Doug http://www.dougwellington.com http://www.analognotes.com http://www.softsampling.com http://www.parisfaqs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 16:46:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2FF63BEDA; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:45:52 EST Subject: gear question and other stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d31.397c999.32fcadc0_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:46:20 +0000 (UTC) --part1_d31.397c999.32fcadc0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my mackie 1202 vlz has become too small for my needs, i have all 8 channels taken with just my kit alone.....secondly, i have no recording device, yes i have my puter but that is not the route that i want to take.....here is my question, i have been looking at the tascam 24 trac digi recorder and was wondering, can i use this as my mixing board as well as my recorder, kill 2 stones with one bird?.....i can't think why not, but i know very little being a professed luddite.....i figure that you can monitor your mix before recording so why not use this to act as your mixer.....am i missing something obvious here?.....does anyone use this piece of kit "tascam 2488" and are you happy with it.....it has all the bells etc. drum machine, fx, burn to cd capability.....it blows my mind how much you can get for the $'s now a daze.....i know i can go much simpler by just doing 2 trac recordings of my "live" looping ecapades but there are times when i want to do "non-live" looping.....thanks for any input.....also, my studio is way too cold to work in right now, no heat at all, so i took my guitar down to warmer climes in my casa, totally "UNPLUGGED".....what fun!.....it seems that i can come up with many new ideas, playing wise and compositionally when all i have is just a guitar, it's not the automatic blast in a few chords and jam my brains out for hours on end.....for a long time i felt that i could not play without some loops going on, it is a great pleasure to find that i can indeed entertain "myself" with just bangin away on my old axe (like the good old days).....i have to go back in to have my "new" knee fixed and this being several days after finishing my "pain pills" and getting a bit of clarity to my befuddled brain, big bummer.....now i'm just going to relax and be a junior junky and start from scratch so i can run faster and jump higher, or walk up stairs without crying.....DON'T GET OLD!!!!!.....this is my advice to all you young punks out there.....i have been enjoying everyone's music that has been posted, i really have to learn how to do this uploading thang, it has been a mystery to me for too long.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_d31.397c999.32fcadc0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my mackie 1202 vlz has become too small= for my needs, i have all 8 channels taken with just my kit alone.....second= ly, i have no recording device, yes i have my puter but that is not the rout= e that i want to take.....here is my question, i have been looking at the ta= scam 24 trac digi recorder and was wondering, can i use this as my mixing bo= ard as well as my recorder, kill 2 stones with one bird?.....i can't think w= hy not, but i know very little being a professed luddite.....i figure that y= ou can monitor your mix before recording so why not use this to act as your=20= mixer.....am i missing something obvious here?.....does anyone use this piec= e of kit "tascam 2488" and are you happy with it.....it has all the bells et= c. drum machine, fx, burn to cd capability.....it blows my mind how much you= can get for the $'s now a daze.....i know i can go much simpler by just doi= ng 2 trac recordings of my "live" looping ecapades but there are times when=20= i want to do "non-live" looping.....thanks for any input.....also, my studio= is way too cold to work in right now, no heat at all, so i took my guitar d= own to warmer climes in my casa, totally "UNPLUGGED".....what fun!.....it se= ems that i can come up with many new ideas, playing wise and compositionally= when all i have is just a guitar, it's not the automatic blast in a few cho= rds and jam my brains out for hours on end.....for a long time i felt that i= could not play without some loops going on, it is a great pleasure to find=20= that i can indeed entertain "myself" with just bangin away on my old axe (li= ke the good old days).....i have to go back in to have my "new" knee fixed a= nd this being several days after finishing my "pain pills" and getting a bit= of clarity to my befuddled brain, big bummer.....now i'm just going to rela= x and be a junior junky and start from scratch so i can run faster and jump=20= higher, or walk up stairs without crying.....DON'T GET OLD!!!!!.....this is=20= my advice to all you young punks out there.....i have been enjoying everyone= 's music that has been posted, i really have to learn how to do this uploadi= ng thang, it has been a mystery to me for too long.....michael



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--part1_d31.397c999.32fcadc0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 16:54:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B78F3BEE7; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QmiBVbZ61Tr/JAmDVOXoZJO3SyVuFCbj2T/ZFe8H8OU3+VSX7Tkp+qiaT5XjY3yeuQ3kUGHgMgbokOqcsVxgB+V2UDpv5jNcYw3oZ8Dfg94iFhwpaSmI0SkUfboPanm5J7yqirkecWAKCsNLxZqk2l+RcUC1QC91ZAhQcnKGlkk= ; Message-ID: <20070208165418.20031.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: nQW05H4VM1kgU1wg06TKPtIS0T9j2q9jc.ij4l5sHceZ60n2KLBY.QsyCedIaFGj9bYKhxSVYQNuV9xeTHIqMhqLQcB5bYT_zBoGHSt5LksDqTMAk1z8S0jyKwfnZB8mzPRyqItKhUn.aw-- Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:54:18 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Retractable To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070207225657.196033BEE8@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Check out this Retractable demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPG-LYoW27E ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 17:26:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA4D13BEE2; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: gear question and other stuff Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:26:13 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000701c74ba6$3b4c02c0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C74BAE.9D106AC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcdLoKlDZt2kYwQoSLCDf+SWn5az3QABO9rA X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C74BAE.9D106AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Michael, the problem with the 2488 (as with most of those devices I'm familiar with) is that you normally only get a very limited set of analogue inputs - in case of the 2488 (just looked at the website) it's 8 ins, only 4 of which are mic ins btw, so if you take up all of your input channels of the 1202 (which in fact are 12, unless you use mono signals only), the 2488 won't help you here. What's more, it doesn't even have an ADAT/TOSLINK interface like many competitors do, which you could use to add e.g. a Behringer ADA8000 eight channel analogue I/O w/ micpres. All the best, Rainer _____ Von: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Februar 2007 17:46 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: gear question and other stuff my mackie 1202 vlz has become too small for my needs, i have all 8 channels taken with just my kit alone.....secondly, i have no recording device, yes i have my puter but that is not the route that i want to take.....here is my question, i have been looking at the tascam 24 trac digi recorder and was wondering, can i use this as my mixing board as well as my recorder, kill 2 stones with one bird?.....i can't think why not, but i know very little being a professed luddite.....i figure that you can monitor your mix before recording so why not use this to act as your mixer.....am i missing something obvious here?.....does anyone use this piece of kit "tascam 2488" and are you happy with it.....it has all the bells etc. drum machine, fx, burn to cd capability.....it blows my mind how much you can get for the $'s now a daze.....i know i can go much simpler by just doing 2 trac recordings of my "live" looping ecapades but there are times when i want to do "non-live" looping.....thanks for any input.....also, my studio is way too cold to work in right now, no heat at all, so i took my guitar down to warmer climes in my casa, totally "UNPLUGGED".....what fun!.....it seems that i can come up with many new ideas, playing wise and compositionally when all i have is just a guitar, it's not the automatic blast in a few chords and jam my brains out for hours on end.....for a long time i felt that i could not play without some loops going on, it is a great pleasure to find that i can indeed entertain "myself" with just bangin away on my old axe (like the good old days).....i have to go back in to have my "new" knee fixed and this being several days after finishing my "pain pills" and getting a bit of clarity to my befuddled brain, big bummer.....now i'm just going to relax and be a junior junky and start from scratch so i can run faster and jump higher, or walk up stairs without crying.....DON'T GET OLD!!!!!.....this is my advice to all you young punks out there.....i have been enjoying everyone's music that has been posted, i really have to learn how to do this uploading thang, it has been a mystery to me for too long.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C74BAE.9D106AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Michael,
 
the problem with the 2488 (as with most of = those devices=20 I'm familiar with) is that you normally only get a very limited set of = analogue=20 inputs - in case of the 2488 (just looked at the website) it's 8 ins, = only 4 of=20 which are mic ins btw, so if you take up all of your input channels of = the 1202=20 (which in fact are 12, unless you use mono signals only), the 2488 won't = help=20 you here. What's more, it doesn't even have an ADAT/TOSLINK interface = like many=20 competitors do, which you could use to add e.g. a Behringer ADA8000 = eight=20 channel analogue I/O w/ micpres.
 
All the best,
 
        = Rainer
 
 


Von: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Februar = 2007=20 17:46
An: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff:=20 gear question and other stuff

my mackie 1202 vlz has become too small for my = needs, i=20 have all 8 channels taken with just my kit alone.....secondly, i have = no=20 recording device, yes i have my puter but that is not the route that i = want to=20 take.....here is my question, i have been looking at the tascam 24 = trac digi=20 recorder and was wondering, can i use this as my mixing board as well = as my=20 recorder, kill 2 stones with one bird?.....i can't think why not, but = i know=20 very little being a professed luddite.....i figure that you can = monitor your=20 mix before recording so why not use this to act as your mixer.....am i = missing=20 something obvious here?.....does anyone use this piece of kit "tascam = 2488"=20 and are you happy with it.....it has all the bells etc. drum machine, = fx, burn=20 to cd capability.....it blows my mind how much you can get for the $'s = now a=20 daze.....i know i can go much simpler by just doing 2 trac recordings = of my=20 "live" looping ecapades but there are times when i want to do = "non-live"=20 looping.....thanks for any input.....also, my studio is way too cold = to work=20 in right now, no heat at all, so i took my guitar down to warmer = climes in my=20 casa, totally "UNPLUGGED".....what fun!.....it seems that i can come = up with=20 many new ideas, playing wise and compositionally when all i have is = just a=20 guitar, it's not the automatic blast in a few chords and jam my brains = out for=20 hours on end.....for a long time i felt that i could not play without = some=20 loops going on, it is a great pleasure to find that i can indeed = entertain=20 "myself" with just bangin away on my old axe (like the good old = days).....i=20 have to go back in to have my "new" knee fixed and this being several = days=20 after finishing my "pain pills" and getting a bit of clarity to my = befuddled=20 brain, big bummer.....now i'm just going to relax and be a junior = junky and=20 start from scratch so i can run faster and jump higher, or walk up = stairs=20 without crying.....DON'T GET OLD!!!!!.....this is my advice to all you = young=20 punks out there.....i have been enjoying everyone's music that has = been=20 posted, i really have to learn how to do this uploading thang, it has = been a=20 mystery to me for too=20 = long.....michael



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.ve= rizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C74BAE.9D106AC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 18:21:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF7C43BEE1; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:21:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=2jfm1aMYdYyL5u1P2+BxPGCFu3kwlVG4faCdSw7oMHeuz/cM1VK8DJPNiq1Aoa1ZCksmZRVDuRhGeJ2lTnc+Z1hsXMT5uHwUVB11KibT0OYJvKpVnDkgK82otU2Vsk97ovONHXt8ArCfp/7xFZpg+PZGOYIsQmmwVupl3l+JXJ8=; X-YMail-OSG: wdHAtQQVM1ll5v2uWuMLmao6wd9cXjFkJGy_JbzO Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:21:51 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Greetings from Argentina To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001101c74b09$124acf70$6401a8c0@GONZALO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <563141.88260.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:21:53 +0000 (UTC) Welcome to the list. I think the lowest priced MIDI synced loopers are the RC50 and 2880. MIDI sync is evedently very hard to do well so you don't find it on the less expensive loopers. I looked at the RC-20 and the Digitech JamMan and they both lack feedback control so I stick with my trusty Boss Gigadelay. Mark --- Gonzalo//Sonia wrote: > Hi, greetings from the south of the world. New in > the loop world > Can I ask for: > 1. The cheaper loop pedal with midi sync? > 2. The best pedal to live performance RC20 or > Digitehc JamMan > THANKS!!!!!! > Gonzo ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 18:46:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AFD43BEDB; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <926911.75179.qm@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <03aa427756ceecf3f05384f68e1c251d@glasswing.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--620372138 Message-Id: <461b6c3fb6f677044a3a669a2ce9eaa3@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Oberheim Expander Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:45:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:46:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--620372138 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Oberheim expander on Ebay! Oooh weee http://cgi.ebay.com/Oberheim-Expander-the-Mother-of-all- Synths_W0QQitemZ320078288345QQihZ011QQcategoryZ38071QQssPageNameZWDVWQQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem going soon! These are very nice richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-Feb-07, at 8:20 AM, Doug Wellington wrote: > On 2/7/07, Richard Sales wrote: >> How do we hear your music Doug? > > Well, at the moment, the only thing I can do is invite you to my > performance on February 25th, here in Tucson. (Tucson Museum of Art, > 4PM, I'm opening for Michael Hoppe.) > >> Do you have a web page etc? > > I have lots of web pages, they just don't have any of my music yet... > (I'll try to record the performance and get that posted somewhere...) > > Doug > > http://www.dougwellington.com > http://www.analognotes.com > http://www.softsampling.com > http://www.parisfaqs.com > --Apple-Mail-5--620372138 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Oberheim expander on Ebay! Oooh weee http://cgi.ebay.com/Oberheim-Expander-the-Mother-of-all-Synths_W0QQitemZ320078288345QQihZ011QQcategoryZ38071QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem going soon! These are very nice Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-Feb-07, at 8:20 AM, Doug Wellington wrote: On 2/7/07, Richard Sales < wrote: How do we hear your music Doug? Well, at the moment, the only thing I can do is invite you to my performance on February 25th, here in Tucson. (Tucson Museum of Art, 4PM, I'm opening for Michael Hoppe.) Do you have a web page etc? I have lots of web pages, they just don't have any of my music yet... (I'll try to record the performance and get that posted somewhere...) Doug http://www.dougwellington.com http://www.analognotes.com http://www.softsampling.com http://www.parisfaqs.com --Apple-Mail-5--620372138-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 19:08:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CCEA3BEE1; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:08:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3712234.1170961730663.JavaMail.root@web11.mail.adelphia.net> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:08:50 -0800 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Fretlight's - Cheap MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:08:52 +0000 (UTC) For those that are bent this way, I came across Optek selling blem Fretlights on eBay. The blems are extremely minimal and I had to really examine the guitar closely to even find one (turned out to be a small ding and a small nick). I paid $359 for one including shipping. Not a bad price at all. It's an excellent learning tool. -- Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 19:44:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AEE33BEDC; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:44:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, S V G Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:44:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Retractable Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <45CB7D8D.12330.E09076@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20070208165418.20031.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:44:23 +0000 (UTC) On 8 Feb 2007 at 8:54, S V G wrote: > Check out this Retractable demo > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPG-LYoW27E Quite amazing!! I'd love to get my hands on a set. Presumably you can control a looper with this interface? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 20:08:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D12B93BEDA; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:07:56 EST Subject: Re: AW: gear question and other stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c19.fe541a5.32fcdd1c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:08:06 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c19.fe541a5.32fcdd1c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks rainer.....i just went out to the music store and looked at this recorder (tascam 2428) and i see what you mean.....i just may have to give up my luddite ways and learn the puter way of recording, i sure got the time i just need a guru.....:).....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_c19.fe541a5.32fcdd1c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks rainer.....i just went out to th= e music store and looked at this recorder (tascam 2428) and i see what you m= ean.....i just may have to give up my luddite ways and learn the puter way o= f recording, i sure got the time i just need a guru.....:).....michael



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--part1_c19.fe541a5.32fcdd1c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 20:14:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6FEC3BEF4; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45CB8485.1010008@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 21:13:57 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hattler almost loops References: <45C6640C.6060805@addcom.de> <45C716C0.3070902@tiscali.co.uk> <1c102629b8e67dc37559a03265de31bd@glasswing.com> <027C78E4-7FFB-44E0-AC4F-4E8A354B87D5@mac.com> <45CA496A.7050602@addcom.de> <8482632C-F494-4A73-9CEC-1DC7C35CA961@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <8482632C-F494-4A73-9CEC-1DC7C35CA961@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Teddy wrote: > what does the title mean? Sara's *ass something* in the black forest? Sahra's ride through the black forest... Another project of Hattler was TabTwo, a duo with Jo Kraus on trumpet, not that unique, but very cool, I didn't like the commercial stuff he made lately though... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 20:24:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FA073BF02; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=U13WUXsSkdiLzO/W7sJy9BrZprxiTmyfeB6a3dnPLXGXBbnmtPG77ywi7Iqzo95lpPIrO993Bo6URid/8H1K3+fiTlpqs3/F3RV35/od05XTQd98ZYmDsoIXWiS9NKf1LPTvTENF1vloSYMtMjTbY6ftQAcGkqlvr6kKd063kOc=; X-YMail-OSG: ubiM9EkVM1ngbUqW0D8rhGE_iNEGKVUzQSTeMCOzUsCPL_2FVvsFf0wje_HWi400iA-- Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:24:28 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: AW: gear question and other stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1802505285-1170966268=:46014" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <666248.46014.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:24:30 +0000 (UTC) --0-1802505285-1170966268=:46014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Personally, I really don't like recording to my PC. Even though I have multiple interfaces/software packages/etc. So I can keep my focus when playing, I bought a smaller footprint digital recorder (Fostex BR8HD) with simplified controls (relative speaking as the unit has a pretty good feature set). Of course, I only need 8 tracks so for someone whose needs are greater than that unit (or similar) wouldn't be a fit. I just get tired of having to perform a lot of setup prior to recording. Paul Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: thanks rainer.....i just went out to the music store and looked at this recorder (tascam 2428) and i see what you mean.....i just may have to give up my luddite ways and learn the puter way of recording, i sure got the time i just need a guru.....:).....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --------------------------------- Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. --0-1802505285-1170966268=:46014 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Personally, I really don't like recording to my PC. Even though I have multiple interfaces/software packages/etc. So I can keep my focus when playing, I bought a smaller footprint digital recorder (Fostex BR8HD) with simplified controls (relative speaking as the unit has a pretty good feature set). Of course, I only need 8 tracks so for someone whose needs are greater than that unit (or similar) wouldn't be a fit.
 
I just get tired of having to perform a lot of setup prior to recording.
 
Paul

Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
thanks rainer.....i just went out to the music store and looked at this recorder (tascam 2428) and i see what you mean.....i just may have to give up my luddite ways and learn the puter way of recording, i sure got the time i just need a guru.....:).....michael



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Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. --0-1802505285-1170966268=:46014-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 20:52:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA5353BEEE; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <4CB9CB8A-4993-44C6-9E87-CEB8C5A6319E@zoekeating.com> Subject: RE: Imogen&Zoe Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 21:52:20 +0100 Message-ID: <01e801c74bc3$071b3d00$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <4CB9CB8A-4993-44C6-9E87-CEB8C5A6319E@zoekeating.com> Thread-Index: AcdGHgalQl88ShB0SVmGeljDNn4elwFpDIfA X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Zoe seems to play several independent loops into the Repeater (so far, this can also be done with the EDP), but then she also seemed to overlay (play simultanously) two, three or four of them, creating changing arrangement parts. I thought that was very cool and I'd love to do that too. I wonder if I could do that with my Echoplex too, or if I'd have to have a Repeater (or something else?) to do that? I also wondered how Zoe was using her two Repeaters. For stereo only? Would you comment on that if you read it Zoe? best, Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 21:13:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3285E3BEE8; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 21:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Back to the EDP, Home at last! Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 21:13:43 +0000 Message-Id: <020820072113.3747.45CB928700032E9400000EA32212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3747_1170969223_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 21:13:49 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3747_1170969223_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit After trying the LP1 and the RC-50, Ive recently re-aquired the EDP. For all its faults, I must say, It is one of the most amazing musical tools ever made. I used to have 2, then I sold them at the promise of the LP1. Very nice thing the LP, but I had such a hard time syncing it to Ableton Live. Plus it crapped out at gigs when it was hot. The RC 50 was ok. No syncing capabilities at all. Last night I was up to 4 in the morning rediscovering the EDP. The setup Im using: Strat or Taylor into Live 6/Guitar Rig 2, Audio from the one track is sent out via a Firewire 410 to a Channel on a Mackie Mixer, out of the mixer to the EDP using an aux out, From the EDP, back to its own channel. Live is playing beats and/or bass lines(Stylus/Trilogy). All of this is being controlled by a FCB1010. Totally cool and so god damn fun. I'll try to send MP3's later this weekend. Later! MFC --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3747_1170969223_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
After trying the LP1 and the RC-50, Ive recently re-aquired the EDP. For all its faults, I must say, It is one of the most amazing musical tools ever made. I used to have 2, then I sold them at the promise of the LP1. Very nice thing the LP, but I had such a hard time syncing it to Ableton Live. Plus it crapped out at gigs when it was hot.  The RC 50 was ok. No syncing capabilities at all.
 
Last night I was up to 4 in the morning rediscovering the EDP. The setup Im using:
Strat or Taylor into Live 6/Guitar Rig 2, Audio from the one track is sent out via a Firewire 410 to a Channel on a Mackie Mixer, out of the mixer to the EDP using an aux out, From the EDP, back to its own channel. Live is playing beats and/or bass lines(Stylus/Trilogy). All of this is being controlled by a FCB1010. Totally cool and so god damn fun. I'll try to send MP3's later this weekend.
 
Later!
MFC
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3747_1170969223_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 21:45:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DC0A3BEDD; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 21:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=TP/2Bf7cxYnNIlUSx6rcsAt9zHgA9aIAwPeK70tdKZLs++D5rurNeZbZoler97U5SDb/YX+9iYMUeiIsXjjXiq99VEYrv6UkLYoDJ13MuvyUpLDXe9SV7Jbw0O191X07GmW/ccgZrEmMThsTZLeM7cMANdmlGNpOY2WOgwFVw9c= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <020820072113.3747.45CB928700032E9400000EA32212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <020820072113.3747.45CB928700032E9400000EA32212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Back to the EDP, Home at last! Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:45:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 21:45:37 +0000 (UTC) On 8 feb 2007, at 22.13, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > After trying the LP1 and the RC-50, Ive recently re-aquired the EDP. I agree. The EDP concept totally rocks! I don't think I will ever sell my EDP. And I'm very happy that Mobius, with the upcoming upgrade, finally is becoming as playable as the EDP. > Last night I was up to 4 in the morning rediscovering the EDP. The > setup Im using: > Strat or Taylor into Live 6/Guitar Rig 2, Audio from the one track > is sent out via a Firewire 410 to a Channel on a Mackie Mixer, out > of the mixer to the EDP using an aux out, From the EDP, back to its > own channel. Live is playing beats and/or bass lines(Stylus/ > Trilogy). All of this is being controlled by a FCB1010. Intersting. So you're actually creating a physical feedback loop with the EDP around the mixer! I did that to my EDP once when putting it in the effect loop of the REpeater. I'm now rehearsing with a guitar looping setup all hosted by a Windows laptop. Running Bidule with Guitar Rig 2 VST tempo synced to Mobius VST and a general reverb VST plug-in on the main looper output. FCB and an analog stereo compressor between laptop and PA. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 23:03:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 344AD3BEDB; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 23:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=X5OTtIUM94FiTorubGl0st8NFBCKWKSeyEhI5Y60lhq8RJjP1FBOq+AGrwo6UAYt73hNlFUOIhJO+N3/9gCPaJAuNHyrkYvnnpxdXUexb3Idb3ST3yIe389hT5a73fpG6DRgqW+f4MZhgTLjw3SXivuR//c3cYVmYamreu6phqQ= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:03:39 -0800 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Back to the EDP, Home at last! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <020820072113.3747.45CB928700032E9400000EA32212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 23:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Is Live 6 doing OK as a sync slave with the EDP? There were problems with earlier versions, thought I'd test the waters again. On 2/8/07, Per Boysen wrote: > On 8 feb 2007, at 22.13, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > After trying the LP1 and the RC-50, Ive recently re-aquired the EDP. > > I agree. The EDP concept totally rocks! I don't think I will ever > sell my EDP. And I'm very happy that Mobius, with the upcoming > upgrade, finally is becoming as playable as the EDP. > > > Last night I was up to 4 in the morning rediscovering the EDP. The > > setup Im using: > > Strat or Taylor into Live 6/Guitar Rig 2, Audio from the one track > > is sent out via a Firewire 410 to a Channel on a Mackie Mixer, out > > of the mixer to the EDP using an aux out, From the EDP, back to its > > own channel. Live is playing beats and/or bass lines(Stylus/ > > Trilogy). All of this is being controlled by a FCB1010. > > Intersting. So you're actually creating a physical feedback loop with > the EDP around the mixer! I did that to my EDP once when putting it > in the effect loop of the REpeater. > > I'm now rehearsing with a guitar looping setup all hosted by a > Windows laptop. Running Bidule with Guitar Rig 2 VST tempo synced to > Mobius VST and a general reverb VST plug-in on the main looper > output. FCB and an analog stereo compressor between laptop and PA. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 00:29:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF7723BEE1; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 00:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003601c74be1$55058b60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: early live looping memory Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:29:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 00:29:06 +0000 (UTC) A new friend of mine on MyPace, Aun , a talented electronic musician and looper from Montreal just told me that he just picked up two old Delta Lab 1024 Digital Delays which were the first affordable digital delay that had an infinite delay/loop capability (at a whopping 1.024 seconds of delay time). His mentioning this just made a flood of memories come back to me of a concert I did with Michael Haummesser, Jim Rutledge, my self (aka TAO ELECTRICAL), Bob Beede and Richard Zvonar. I wrote him back this letter about it: ******************************************** Wow, what a blast from the past, Aun, I use a Delta Lab 1024 digital delay to do the first ever looping show I did back in 1982. With it's very short infinite loop and ability to speed or slow down the delay time, I recorded a vocal passage which said, "It doesn't mean a fucking thing" I then sped it up so that it was so fast that you just hear a rapid rhythm without any intelligibility and used it as the 'groove' for a piece of musical improvisation. I did all of the recording at the sound check so the audience couldn't hear what made up my groove. We played the improv and at the very end of the piece I slowed the loop down very, very gradually until at the last minute as it started to have intelligibility, I slowed it down to normal speed, let the sentence have full effect and then ...............lights out. Your mentioning of these wonderful delays just took me back to that performance which I had completely forgotten. Later in the show we each (three of us, a bassist, guitarist and drummer) made long tape loops on three old tube echoplexes that had the erase heads removed and one by one left the stage leaving the long loops to play out of sync with each other for the intermission of the concert. The impetus for the Delta Lab piece was taken from an amusing anecdote that I heard about Allen Ginsberg who climbed all the way up to the top of a Himalayan mountain to find a famous ascetic buddhist priest who lived in a cave away from all human kind so that he could ask him what the meaning of existence and life was. After a long arduous journey up the snow covered mountain, he found the cave, entered, saw the old priest there and asked him, "What the meaning of life". The old codger then replied in a perfect Oxford English accent "It doesn't mean a fucking thing." Ginsberg turned, walked out of the cave and down the mountain...............enlightened..............lol Later, let me know how much fun you have with those puppies. yours, Rick **************************************** I should also mention that the equipment that I used that night belonged to Michael Haummesser (aka Not Noise---look up this brilliant musician on the web, you'll thank me for the recommendation). I couldn't afford it in the day but sure was fun to use it. Michael turned me on to that whole world..............tape loops, digital loops, prepared guitars, etc. Sometimes I feel like I am doing things that he was doing 25 years ago in my current work. He's been a huge influence on me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 00:30:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 362563BEE9; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 00:30:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jQvi7SHLnV/e/9w6/cUuy1aqBgh6+YwckFzK0OD65a7CXZs+b6GZvxXE5L7+SMEJaMkiRQU7vsVj2551lSn2EYlVHRu6wQTmw2zmzPXIfY6fTsgNiytZJ3D+litMheMkCzAB5oDa6dxlRZUN4Wz5n1jWb5yaTEsnHGbuMYxlG8s=; X-YMail-OSG: 6L24zfoVM1nW1mS2jN8gD0GIc2AW.tdp3pPkr4fnrhyBAtFYz3a9Jy0.n_BmPssIOFLdMAO7KEGC2CGuOvFedaqWeMQIWTE6oZ40ZgwBeEYTmGh6Df6spH177kWCocFBk6M6n5o3kIBG2g-- Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:30:56 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: name that chord To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <549913.50278.qm@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 00:30:58 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, No, that's how we played. "What key"? White ones,,,,, or,,, black ones. My partner can't show you where an "A" key is, or any other key for that matter. But, like I said. If you play all black keys, you'll NEVER hit a clinker. Rig. ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 00:41:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CCDD3BEE6; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 00:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Jpvlsfk1NDhwuQegO2MaSeWTEbFbZirsjf8i0sRDvjSEwkhqqf2wbreNweYaMlWPFXwin1Qi9LuPNgusVcHQRMTGqSSHup6xp3caN0rIJJi9ipRKH/3eLtm57YXqczQyxxvS8mK6iPSvmYm/RA9xQn79c0mFoI9CXPTFXXJwSTc=; X-YMail-OSG: YXuUid4VM1nJxlQ.omuFSxkcRKi4ATsDjTmq6DJx3txOml.0De1EgcliOZsgLRfmjg-- Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:41:01 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: name that chord To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <261177.8017.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8UMFhC.A.deD.eM8yFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 00:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, When do you get to hear it? As soon as I can figure out how to post muzik on the web. I haven't the faintest idea. But if you send me $1 and a self addressed and postage thingy, i'll send you the CD with a bunch of other stuff on it. Rig Mark Rauch 4807 S. Washington Pl. Kennewick, WA 99337 ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 02:13:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 351AB3BEDC; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 02:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=y3ocgkCqLiD1z2xlD+iX5SnbBATfo5RUEptajHEojyv9zChUd4ZHlZ937vMmz7pe2lvTAQbAnHhUQRd3Xj0faWAbx0Cn7d/zxs1eI+mkHQU5Q82Us0cVpPCj0o0+9oV06ikWKTqI89BEXGoPjv3ZsCJfQA+YO+ZUFxpLdHCA2h0= ; Message-ID: <20070209021326.39002.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FFSpWpYVM1kMfe2oxtbLViRpNkbg1.PDjJJUXuIsTv6ucEuSnSZkV9vZ90cEd5Kk9_AzEe6C7yrIfqCePde0q5_jeqvL_LluhRTaHgc24pQnEjrRA22d_Ib7W9FzlHiJzULrHTmNzAh77i8- Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:13:26 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: name that chord To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1263547791-1170987206=:39000" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 02:13:27 +0000 (UTC) --0-1263547791-1170987206=:39000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Id: Content-Disposition: inline Howdy, Let's see if this works. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail --0-1263547791-1170987206=:39000 Content-Type: video/x-ms-asf; name="music.asx" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: 125015420-music.asx Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="music.asx" PEFTWCBWZXJzaW9uPSIzLjAiPg0KPEFVVEhPUj5Xcml0dGVuIGJ5IERhdmlk IEJ5cm5lIFB1Ymxpc2hlZCBieSBNb2xkeSBGaWcgTXVzaWMgKEJNSSkgMjAw MTwvQVVUSE9SPg0KPFRJVExFPkxpa2UgSHVtYW5zIERvIChyYWRpbyBlZGl0 KTwvVElUTEU+DQo8UEFSQU0gbmFtZT0iQWxidW0iIHZhbHVlPSJMb29rIElu dG8gVGhlIEV5ZWJhbGwiLz4NCjxQQVJBTSBuYW1lPSJBcnRpc3QiIHZhbHVl PSJEYXZpZCBCeXJuZSIvPg0KIA0KCTxCQU5ORVIgaHJlZiA9Im11c2ljLmJt cCI+DQoJCTxNT1JFSU5GTyBIUkVGPSJodHRwOi8vZ28ubWljcm9zb2Z0LmNv bS9md2xpbmsvP0xpbmtJZD0xOCIgLz4NCgkJPEFCU1RSQUNUPkNsaWNrIGhl cmUgZm9yIG1vcmUgZGV0YWlscyBvbiBEYXZpZCBCeXJuZTwvQUJTVFJBQ1Q+ CQ0KCTwvQkFOTkVSPg0KCTxFTlRSWT4NCgkJPFJFRiBIUkVGPSJtdXNpYy53 bWEiLz4NCgkJPEFVVEhPUj5Xcml0dGVuIGJ5IERhdmlkIEJ5cm5lIFB1Ymxp c2hlZCBieSBNb2xkeSBGaWcgTXVzaWMgKEJNSSkgMjAwMTwvQVVUSE9SPg0K CQk8Q09QWVJJR0hUPihQKSAyMDAwIFZpcmdpbiBSZWNvcmRzIEFtZXJpY2Es IEluYy48L0NPUFlSSUdIVD4NCgkJPFRJVExFPkxpa2UgSHVtYW5zIERvIChy YWRpbyBlZGl0KTwvVElUTEU+DQoJCTxQQVJBTSBuYW1lPSJBbGJ1bSIgdmFs dWU9Ikxvb2sgSW50byBUaGUgRXllYmFsbCIvPg0KCQk8UEFSQU0gbmFtZT0i QXJ0aXN0IiB2YWx1ZT0iRGF2aWQgQnlybmUiLz4NCgk8L0VOVFJZPg0KPC9B U1g+ --0-1263547791-1170987206=:39000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 02:26:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73E2B3BEEC; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 02:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wIMz5DmGNdmCvS7TTPUswQ8M4Aw6lD2nwe1WnG2G84/zhggyoGK7D4ZY7rXH/MtPqeKwtekwGrhCESEkBLl9UU1t3tI5rQ5nW7Hn9fjZBBvoF3CSIXHK4XFcjLN/Jq8Hv/z6ksWsI7SYr3jVAFpq9EL+zMwhA/SE9tYFQpBAcJc=; X-YMail-OSG: 6FufqG8VM1l8durcrHAn5Ag3kJUAHBD_FbQvA.7KZLBfR5bNxeATOrQsv4qKAMZSu33qFB8HVyqmlW6fA9TcBLglhjQI4B32FGliRlGvKeQutXi1YzYQS956Hh2AgZV3G1FTMvoVBA8GOV8- Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:26:39 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: name that chord To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <13768.45796.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 02:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, please delete the next messge from me. something went wrong and it takes forever to download. I don't know what it is but 10 minutes for 1kb and it still wasn't done. a waste of time. Sorry. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 03:14:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 331603BEE0; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 03:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Back to the EDP, Home at last! Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:14:12 +0000 Message-Id: <020920070314.2952.45CBE704000D52E200000B882216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: <1kv28B.A.J3.Hc-yFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 03:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Doesn't seem to be a problem. I'm very happy. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Neil Goldstein" > Is Live 6 doing OK as a sync slave with the EDP? There were problems > with earlier versions, thought I'd test the waters again. > > On 2/8/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 8 feb 2007, at 22.13, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > After trying the LP1 and the RC-50, Ive recently re-aquired the EDP. > > > > I agree. The EDP concept totally rocks! I don't think I will ever > > sell my EDP. And I'm very happy that Mobius, with the upcoming > > upgrade, finally is becoming as playable as the EDP. > > > > > Last night I was up to 4 in the morning rediscovering the EDP. The > > > setup Im using: > > > Strat or Taylor into Live 6/Guitar Rig 2, Audio from the one track > > > is sent out via a Firewire 410 to a Channel on a Mackie Mixer, out > > > of the mixer to the EDP using an aux out, From the EDP, back to its > > > own channel. Live is playing beats and/or bass lines(Stylus/ > > > Trilogy). All of this is being controlled by a FCB1010. > > > > Intersting. So you're actually creating a physical feedback loop with > > the EDP around the mixer! I did that to my EDP once when putting it > > in the effect loop of the REpeater. > > > > I'm now rehearsing with a guitar looping setup all hosted by a > > Windows laptop. Running Bidule with Guitar Rig 2 VST tempo synced to > > Mobius VST and a general reverb VST plug-in on the main looper > > output. FCB and an analog stereo compressor between laptop and PA. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 04:31:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C0E33BED3; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 04:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LQPVndGQaaMWrS2nEue59VL937xzA/1LReqMFXI+CgyT4g+Wghz9t2oUmF/5t/gnboLUo0OomtPSfQ3a+6y3kU4c5TTHWiryB++L6iklXDD1JOU0g+P3KnlTHmh1Y5nFAGe72RnMi4ad/oCEf2rRamfwrkG1LTuWlWAkbH8aQi0=; X-YMail-OSG: Rl6.7_sVM1k.69zaNRqGR6u2LeJCfWStReBJX_40exrFYjImUNLA7XWMZ8GvAGyDFg-- Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:31:30 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: gear question and other stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070208172608.BD27A3BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <90891.28705.qm@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 04:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Michael, Having started out many years ago with a single keyboard, I eventually added two sound modules and ran them through my Tascam 4track cassette recorder as a mixer. When it came time to upgrade to a Mackie 1604, I found the sound quality to be worlds and worlds higher in comparison. So much of the music has been hidden in the relative lo-fi world of the Tascam. In addition to 'only' having 16 inputs (that's 8 stereo ins for this keyboard player), I felt most limited by the lack of sub outs. So last year I upgraded once again to a Mackie 2408 (that's a 24 channel mixer with 8 sub outs plus the master sends and 6 aux outs per channel). I'm already pushing the limits with all the sends spoken for as well as all the inputs. And that's just for my kit alone... Anyway, the sound quality once again went through the roof. There is worlds of difference between the sound quality of the two Mackies. I hear that you are wanting to upgrade your mixer with an all-in-one mixer/recording station. I suppose it depends on how picky you are about the quality of sound coming out of your speakers. My suggestion is to work your way up over the years from a smaller system to a larger more expensive one. You should be able to hear subtle and not so subtle differences between systems once you've had them in your studio for a while. Stephen > my mackie 1202 vlz has become too small for my needs, ....michael ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 06:50:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA6BD3BEE4; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015a01c74c16$93007260$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: <020820072113.3747.45CB928700032E9400000EA32212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Back to the EDP, Home at last! Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:50:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <2w4dED.A.Z9G.nmBzFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Hey MFC, If you are having technical problems with your Looperlative LP-1 (heating up at gigs, unability to sync to Ableton's) you should contact Bob Amstadt immetiately and let him sort them out for you. He has an amazing track record of standing behind his product and fixing what needs to be fixed. Additionally, he is a one person company who's business thrives on his reputation so I know he is invested in having you as a satisfied customer. He's truly wonderful in that regard. I have seen him bend over backwards to make sure his customers are happy............a rarity in the music business , imho. I'll CC this message to him as well, but his email is bob@amstadt.com. I also concurr with you about how wonderful the EDP is. I own two and LOVE THEM!!!! That being said and done, the LP-1 also has some amazing things that it is doing and not only that, but the software is in a constant state of revision which is instantaneously upgradeable in real time through the ethernet port on the back of the unit. I don't know what version of the software you have but I imagine it's not the latest (as they have been working on midi sync issues lately). Before you give up on it, at least make sure yours is working and loaded up with the latest software revisions. Best of luck to you and your looping. yours, Rick Walker POSTED TO LOOPERS DELIGHT by MFC (midifriedchicken@comcast.net) under the "Re: Back to the EDP, Home at last!" thread After trying the LP1 and the RC-50, Ive recently re-aquired the EDP. For all its faults, I must say, It is one of the most amazing musical tools ever made. I used to have 2, then I sold them at the promise of the LP1. Very nice thing the LP, but I had such a hard time syncing it to Ableton Live. Plus it crapped out at gigs when it was hot. The RC 50 was ok. No syncing capabilities at all. Last night I was up to 4 in the morning rediscovering the EDP. The setup Im using: Strat or Taylor into Live 6/Guitar Rig 2, Audio from the one track is sent out via a Firewire 410 to a Channel on a Mackie Mixer, out of the mixer to the EDP using an aux out, From the EDP, back to its own channel. Live is playing beats and/or bass lines(Stylus/Trilogy). All of this is being controlled by a FCB1010. Totally cool and so god damn fun. I'll try to send MP3's later this weekend. Later! MFC From jacobsh@plum.webfusion.co.uk Fri Feb 9 07:53:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 18860 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:53:41 UTC Received: from plum.webfusion.co.uk (plum.webfusion.co.uk [212.67.202.208]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45EBF3BECC for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jacobsh by plum.webfusion.co.uk with local (Exim 4.54) id 1HFLfQ-00050R-Gt for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 02:39:16 +0000 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:PAYMENT AUTHENTICATION. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 09:03:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24E4A3BEE9; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:03:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=s4SJOg8SFKTSO/WMU+RRIW/x0YcFpYQCT1piz3wpjixlBlfJsSvbBbFv/fnraTNVmdqjSxBjoAbp3CnPt6C9JQAQtaLYSnUVXfEfc2nED1cPWrBNT69r3nOfLg3ErYaTe8Ap/FRDF3UA8qkqd8qSAAD16gZ9EwL3PEP4RxlADhY=; X-YMail-OSG: 4px0oKEVM1lck2lcjwW7uK4TiD7Ut3cAzjB8X1TbK9zAVeb.5X0ZwSCvG0I3XxCGl7yswvZxuO6LX05gKc_e.5qUS2yHoyI5kK_Yaz3x3E22uiCFKH59akj1Xm_OUdwzFJnGwQ_Gz9BtdaI- Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 01:03:18 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Back to the EDP, Home at last! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <015a01c74c16$93007260$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:03:21 +0000 (UTC) Ill second the glorification of the EDP! although using 2 together is a gamble because they do drift at times... i was also considering going mono and buying the LP1 but ill i am still observing users reviews. cheers Luis --- RICK WALKER wrote: > Hey MFC, > > If you are having technical problems with your > Looperlative LP-1 (heating > up at gigs, unability to sync to Ableton's) > you should contact Bob Amstadt immetiately and let > him sort them out for > you. > He has an amazing track record of standing behind > his product and fixing > what needs to be fixed. > Additionally, he is a one person company who's > business thrives on his > reputation so I know he > is invested in having you as a satisfied customer. > He's truly wonderful > in that regard. I have seen > him bend over backwards to make sure his customers > are happy............a > rarity in the music business , imho. > > I'll CC this message to him as well, but his email > is bob@amstadt.com. > > I also concurr with you about how wonderful the EDP > is. I own two and LOVE > THEM!!!! > That being said and done, the LP-1 also has some > amazing things that it is > doing and > not only that, but the software is in a constant > state of revision which is > instantaneously upgradeable > in real time through the ethernet port on the back > of the unit. I don't > know what version of the software you have > but I imagine it's not the latest (as they have been > working on midi sync > issues lately). > > Before you give up on it, at least make sure yours > is working and loaded up > with the latest software revisions. > > Best of luck to you and your looping. > > yours, Rick Walker > > POSTED TO LOOPERS DELIGHT by MFC > (midifriedchicken@comcast.net) > under the "Re: Back to the EDP, Home at last!" > thread > > After trying the LP1 and the RC-50, Ive recently > re-aquired the EDP. For all > its faults, I must say, It is one of the most > amazing musical tools ever > made. I used to have 2, then I sold them at the > promise of the LP1. Very > nice thing the LP, but I had such a hard time > syncing it to Ableton Live. > Plus it crapped out at gigs when it was hot. The RC > 50 was ok. No syncing > capabilities at all. > > Last night I was up to 4 in the morning > rediscovering the EDP. The setup Im > using: > Strat or Taylor into Live 6/Guitar Rig 2, Audio from > the one track is sent > out via a Firewire 410 to a Channel on a Mackie > Mixer, out of the mixer to > the EDP using an aux out, From the EDP, back to its > own channel. Live is > playing beats and/or bass lines(Stylus/Trilogy). All > of this is being > controlled by a FCB1010. Totally cool and so god > damn fun. I'll try to send > MP3's later this weekend. > > Later! > MFC > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 09:09:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 189AE3BEEE; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sVWY0es/0y5kEcWd78dRsmoAahtL+HPn6P5U6aJclhBCwHRnxt4kdECVfWat3sc4wImfeXYkI2xF5u3OzqYTM985t/5pMRffzh13HM5Ye+sDyBaDBWPh6jRmzfgiRQkwc5lTkHOCiPyDploYmrLSR7jbLmMJYuvgzLpry6aVRkc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <020820072113.3747.45CB928700032E9400000EA32212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7F69EE99-28B9-4D8C-AEE7-BA0C89E183F0@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Back to the EDP, Home at last! Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:09:42 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:09:48 +0000 (UTC) On 9 feb 2007, at 00.03, Neil Goldstein wrote: > Is Live 6 doing OK as a sync slave with the EDP? There were problems > with earlier versions, thought I'd test the waters again. Neil, Would you mind posting your findings on this? Two years ago, when I was using a rig combining one EDP and Ableton Live 5 I liked to do it the other way; running Live as the master to set the tempo and syncing the EDP. I had a tap tempo pedal for Live to do count-in to start looping in the correct tempo. The reason for that was that I wanted to use SUSSubstitute functions in the EDP in both Half Tempo and Normal Tempo. If you do that with the EDP as sync master the syncing devices (in this case Live) will jump in and out double and half tempo, which is hard to do something musical with and also very unstable (Live looses sync). As related to this, Mobius has a nice fix for dealing with the issue: you can set a global preference of "Minimal Tempo" and "Maximal Tempo". This forces the looper to calculate a sync tempo that is a multiple of the "technically correct" tempo. It means you can cut and truncate the master loops as much as you want without getting those horrible tempo jumps in all synced gear. When I was running a Repeater as the sync slave to the EDP I wished the EDP would have had something like that, because that poor repeater had to work overtime to catch up the ever changing tempi. But it seemed the repeater handled it quite intelligent. If it received a doubled tempo that would be too fast for its audio engine to play back (including time- stretching four tracks of a loop) it simply stayed at the same tempo. And since that worked fine musically everything was ok. I guess this only worked because it was double and half tempo. Probably the sync would have been lost if I should go for a sudden 66.6 percent tempo increase. I have Live 6 here now, but I'm into learning a new system based on Bidule and have no time to set up Live 6 for testing it as a sync slave. I think I remember from the release notes of Live 6 though that "sync has been improved". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 09:11:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 029343BEE9; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=pc2M68zylYrtNXhTFOn9HYzfxbcvSAu7DYS1h9oHcuWlTJFdxwe+Zjn2xE4jNobNo+sDFp2Xp8QRSMhFjPXBrS3gnyCM3ImpdvQpEVv8HbGlMWolBpZf1QsjntIopw+Mm8KlwgltOxpnzmHPnVxXtzKOYg/Fhnjk+q6hYUaprAw=; X-YMail-OSG: aNapdqwVM1mU8H0xl_OehLQmF8kYc.E7GBAGq2Q1X8ug0FcJfWYxgxyZMZUNkbgwJdqOpa02JX3gq3xY9o3gNvIFKLTrhUz2hHEPervR1E0j5OwOaxYj39RaHSvHdT7DWNzw1abQQrv9Ki.QpixZho3ZGA4YAG.ZpfyNjxpEk6gza2a5zq0I.upwA7Jo Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 01:11:07 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Bass FX To: woz@phaesler.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <975896.16407.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:11:08 +0000 (UTC) i am also curious how convincing the bass sound on the boss FV1 is... Luis --- Woz Mail wrote: > Bass FXDon't Boss do a GT8 for Bass? > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan.Phil@kraft.com > [mailto:Bryan.Phil@kraft.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:25 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Bass FX > > > So this is what Im trying to do. > I want to record a loop with my standard > unaltered bass sound. Then I > would like to be able to be able to add some effects > to the bass sound to > either overdub or to just play along with the other > loop. Id like to get an > all-in-one unit (like the pod xt-live, boss ME or > GT) however I think that > most bass specific units are limited in the type of > effects that are > available so I have been thinking about getting a > guitar unit. > > Is this possible or will it kill the low-end from > my sound? I still want > it to be able to sound like a bass just with some > added effects. Of course > there will be times when I don't mind that there is > not a lot of low end but > for the most part I need the "BIG BOTTOM." > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 09:15:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 094C73BEF1; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:15:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=etQr15QIiGK88S6fWaB1k5WdLMe78dlvOAUV103EnNbAGygWYgWQCRndhVyA/DwG6Vcq0m3UO9tIQF6rdAY9uVsLP3H4uPKJyf9UlshLBwYgTziuNWcCzVSJzltvG2ymidP/C+AoSPAznqXYa7QpXRcL5ukV5EY6H5HoqgW9EiE= ; Message-ID: <20070209091517.7982.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: gFwzmysVM1mrl3RBIOKCDCX1lEiIMLqusKCvlucT3knTGiVvg_zN871gzFrXC9.UI73KdVyjWrhbtBCVa6.OJTyBC_P1pUPQ9Fhmd8huPl0JxO0f2pIvnVfOTld83DaEJqJpYDoafqswHwk- Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 01:15:17 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Greetings from Argentina To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:15:18 +0000 (UTC) Tambien ojo con el eventide: http://www.eventidestompboxes.com/media/timefactor_photo_web.jpg tiene Midi, es compacto y la calidad de esta compañia es una de las mejores,al parecer va a entrar en el mercado en abril. Saludos Luis --- Soma Estudios wrote: > Hola desde Peru, > > Yo uso el Jamman, tiene memoria de hasta 6 horas ! y > la calidad es de > CD.Funciona perfecto. > Saludos, > > César > > > El 07/02/2007, a las 05:41 PM, Gonzalo//Sonia > escribió: > > > Hi, greetings from the south of the world. New in > the loop world > > Can I ask for: > > 1. The cheaper loop pedal with midi sync? > > 2. The best pedal to live performance RC20 or > Digitehc JamMan > > THANKS!!!!!! > > Gonzo > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 09:23:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D37C3BEE2; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=hsxzphxlyp0SzCt+5L8wb8pNl5zzWtB0aWAVMAf7NMaa054el2nA51c8oEHB4nRVdjOWuN/FM1ua49W59GVaFHKg2pimv2juk9/5/K7LiR0+m1FMosOH+/zO/GpK9fNiiuQsNIAslUN7m0RXvsY2Uv4uZZ/uCq2+SMuxfLd3pZU=; X-YMail-OSG: xhga3OsVM1mczWggJikAL4xlqa6GOFpt4IJpVDMlaj.OwQwJcW1sqw9y_PZ9l82NfLbLhlOyieoFP9ktg74N9m5ySphuaJajyD1eUOxnob3KgvfhS8E0b.Qcdjr5yy7NzN8J967sEJH0iJA- Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 01:23:29 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Fim and soundtrack tip Babel (O.T) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <29369c4aed1130949d905e4f28ad23ee@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <516610.41056.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:23:31 +0000 (UTC) I Just saw this film yesterday,really moving,the soundtrack is also beautiful highly recomended: http://www.paramountvantage.com/babel/ cheers Luis --- Richard Sales wrote: > Cool! When listening I had an alternate title for > you: > > "Who poured LSD in the Honey Bee Hive?" > > When the portmento sound, is that a guitar? ... came > in I thought it > sounded like a honey bee on a hallucinogen. I > smiled and thought it > was cool. At first I thought it was one of those > percussion things > Hendrix used to use. Can't remember what it's > called now. Not a vibra > slap... hummmmm???? > > So, second alternate title, "Honeybees on > Hallucinogens" > > The title reminds me a friend's record "Dead Bees On > A Cake". > > Keep it up! > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 7-Feb-07, at 8:11 AM, Dan Katayama wrote: > > > I have a new song that I made with my Boss RC-50 > > If anybody is interested in the sound quality > > or the actual song..lol > > > > Project name: Folks and Peas > > Song name: hanabee > > Type: 192kbps mp3 > > > > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76/hanabee.mp3 > > > > Thanks! > > > > -- > > kosukeweb > > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 10:35:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CC303BEE0; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:35:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NS0n1epYEE5+seHN67Q7X9BewzFaZVXYJJP2azHwwCW4Qxa4k3r9oz2EBYmSINUhCr86VCJT+qSQp709W48S3hiqI+6cZkIJKuo3/S7ucGzv5Rim0sNrh2YneY12ajXdfMN8XKVMFIaNjrvfrQfkgfSG1AAULW5pipYSX52W8GY= ; Message-ID: <20070209103544.12195.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: myxwArkVM1k_ZGPuF52BKm1tq6BHNuHUfm7gm7jyyRBQ70kTGPyaejbjh.nHvuujLSDy984i6PimWxczuQ_lohZ3EMi8hCAjzzE20AkdeVSKi8mGlZnXZ.TeeDdKwdr8b.uWKJKchRf9 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:35:44 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Rick Cox To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, midiguitar@yahoogroups.com, powerspot@yahoogroups.com, repeater-users@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:35:46 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! Are any of you familiare with Rick Coxs music ? And does anyone know what his present music-gears are ? Rune F www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 12:42:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25F533BEF4; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:39:53 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #515 for February 8, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <45CC6B99.80503@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:42:15 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/070208.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #515 February 8, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Max Corbacho. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Nocturnal Emanations" on Space for Music Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Time's Encomium" by Charles Wuorinen on Nonesuch Records and released in 1969. Max Corbacho: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#feb PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Charles Wourinen Part I Time's Encomium (Nonesuch) Ololiuqui Rising Other Side of Odra (Ricochet Dream) Copal River Remembering Copal River (Blue Water) Gert Emmens Warlock's Death The Tale if the Warlock (Groove) Dwight Ashley As We Became Ataxia (Nepenthe) Complacent Klaus Schulze The Wings of String Vanity of Sounds (Revisited) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Max Corbacho A Spark of Deity Nocturnal Eminations (Space for Music) Max Corbacho Nocturnal Eminations Nocturnal Eminations (SfM) Max Corbacho The Slow and Nocturnal Eminations (SfM) Wandering Dust Max Corbacho Abandoned Wind Nocturnal Eminations (SfM) Max Corbacho Along Moonlit Rift Nocturnal Eminations (SfM) Max Corbacho Deep, Ancient Nocturnal Eminations (SfM) Max Corbacho Consciousness of Nocturnal Eminations (SfM) Inert Things 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist % = excerpt NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Max Corbacho. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Moontribe" on ad21 Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "histoire d'O" by Pierre Bachelet on CAM Records and released in 1975. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 13:26:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A7EA3BEE8; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:23:54 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: my first loop In-reply-to: <30463067.1170813129535.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45CC75EA.4050009@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <30463067.1170813129535.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Dirk Wilbert wrote: > this is the first looping piece I recorded that I like - happened > quite by accident this evening, when I was playing around with the > Mo-FX delay and the alesis metavox - suddenly the basic loop was there > and I started to jam over it. > I think it's funny that I didn't use Mobius or the Digitech Jamman > Looper (that I bought for this ;-)- must be kind of a sign not to > focus too much on the technical part of looping. Hi Dirk, I'm listening right now. Sounds awesome! The guitar, like the loop, is sublimely understated. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 14:42:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03BC93BEF1; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <003601c74be1$55058b60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <003601c74be1$55058b60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--548582829 Message-Id: <2a8ca46bd71f6e20becf8a2ac94feb43@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: early live looping memory Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:42:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:42:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--548582829 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I have two Effectrons that I still love and use. Very funky little boxes. I did sample and hold stuff in the early eighties with it too. Nothing quite as cool as IT DOESN"T MEAN etc... but they're great boxes, easy to use and easy to get some really wack sound out of. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-Feb-07, at 4:29 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: > A new friend of mine on MyPace, Aun , a talented electronic musician > and looper from Montreal > just told me that he just picked up two old Delta Lab 1024 Digital > Delays which were the first > affordable digital delay that had an infinite delay/loop capability > (at a whopping 1.024 seconds of delay time). > > His mentioning this just made a flood of memories come back to me of a > concert I did with > Michael Haummesser, Jim Rutledge, my self (aka TAO ELECTRICAL), Bob > Beede and Richard Zvonar. > > I wrote him back this letter about it: > > > ******************************************** > Wow, what a blast from the past, Aun, > > I use a Delta Lab 1024 digital delay to do the first > ever looping show I did back in 1982. > > With it's very short infinite loop and ability to speed or slow down > the delay time, I recorded a > vocal passage which said, > "It doesn't mean a fucking thing" > > I then sped it up so that it was so fast that you just hear a rapid > rhythm without any intelligibility and used it as the 'groove' for a > piece of musical improvisation. > > I did all of the recording at the sound check so the audience couldn't > hear what made up my groove. > > We played the improv and at the very end of the piece I slowed the > loop down very, very gradually until at the last minute as it started > to have intelligibility, I slowed it down to normal speed, let the > sentence have > full effect and then ...............lights out. > > Your mentioning of these wonderful delays just took me back to that > performance which I had completely forgotten. Later in the show we > each (three of us, a bassist, guitarist and drummer) made long tape > loops on three old tube echoplexes that had the erase heads removed > and one by one left the stage leaving the long loops to play out of > sync with each other for the intermission of the concert. > > > The impetus for the Delta Lab piece was taken from an amusing anecdote > that I heard about Allen Ginsberg who climbed all the way up to the > top of a Himalayan mountain to find a famous ascetic buddhist priest > who lived in a cave away from all human kind so that he could ask him > what the meaning of existence and life was. > > After a long arduous journey up the snow covered mountain, he found > the cave, entered, saw the old > priest there and asked him, "What the meaning of life". > > The old codger then replied in a perfect Oxford English accent "It > doesn't mean a fucking thing." > > Ginsberg turned, walked out of the cave and down the > mountain...............enlightened..............lol > > Later, let me know how much fun you have with those puppies. > > yours, Rick > > **************************************** > I should also mention that the equipment that I used that night > belonged to Michael Haummesser (aka Not Noise---look > up this brilliant musician on the web, you'll thank me for the > recommendation). > I couldn't afford it in the day but sure was fun to use it. Michael > turned me on to that whole world..............tape loops, digital > loops, prepared guitars, etc. Sometimes I feel like I am doing > things that he was doing 25 years ago in my current work. > He's been a huge influence on me. --Apple-Mail-2--548582829 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I have two Effectrons that I still love and use. Very funky little boxes. I did sample and hold stuff in the early eighties with it too. Nothing quite as cool as IT DOESN"T MEAN etc... but they're great boxes, easy to use and easy to get some really wack sound out of. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-Feb-07, at 4:29 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: A new friend of mine on MyPace, Aun , a talented electronic musician and looper from Montreal just told me that he just picked up two old Delta Lab 1024 Digital Delays which were the first affordable digital delay that had an infinite delay/loop capability (at a whopping 1.024 seconds of delay time). His mentioning this just made a flood of memories come back to me of a concert I did with Michael Haummesser, Jim Rutledge, my self (aka TAO ELECTRICAL), Bob Beede and Richard Zvonar. I wrote him back this letter about it: ******************************************** Wow, what a blast from the past, Aun, I use a Delta Lab 1024 digital delay to do the first ever looping show I did back in 1982. With it's very short infinite loop and ability to speed or slow down the delay time, I recorded a vocal passage which said, "It doesn't mean a fucking thing" I then sped it up so that it was so fast that you just hear a rapid rhythm without any intelligibility and used it as the 'groove' for a piece of musical improvisation. I did all of the recording at the sound check so the audience couldn't hear what made up my groove. We played the improv and at the very end of the piece I slowed the loop down very, very gradually until at the last minute as it started to have intelligibility, I slowed it down to normal speed, let the sentence have full effect and then ...............lights out. Your mentioning of these wonderful delays just took me back to that performance which I had completely forgotten. Later in the show we each (three of us, a bassist, guitarist and drummer) made long tape loops on three old tube echoplexes that had the erase heads removed and one by one left the stage leaving the long loops to play out of sync with each other for the intermission of the concert. The impetus for the Delta Lab piece was taken from an amusing anecdote that I heard about Allen Ginsberg who climbed all the way up to the top of a Himalayan mountain to find a famous ascetic buddhist priest who lived in a cave away from all human kind so that he could ask him what the meaning of existence and life was. After a long arduous journey up the snow covered mountain, he found the cave, entered, saw the old priest there and asked him, "What the meaning of life". The old codger then replied in a perfect Oxford English accent "It doesn't mean a fucking thing." Ginsberg turned, walked out of the cave and down the mountain...............enlightened..............lol Later, let me know how much fun you have with those puppies. yours, Rick **************************************** I should also mention that the equipment that I used that night belonged to Michael Haummesser (aka Not Noise---look up this brilliant musician on the web, you'll thank me for the recommendation). I couldn't afford it in the day but sure was fun to use it. Michael turned me on to that whole world..............tape loops, digital loops, prepared guitars, etc. Sometimes I feel like I am doing things that he was doing 25 years ago in my current work. He's been a huge influence on me. --Apple-Mail-2--548582829-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 14:45:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FF063BEFA; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:45:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: ROCKTRON CYBORG DELAY Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <45CC88F4.22427.1309B7E@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20070209124215.9A6403BEFA@arsenic.violacea.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Anyone tried on of these beasts? http://www.tunnelvisionmusic.com/Rocktron-Cyborg-Digital-Destiny- Delay-Pedal-p-16413.html new to me.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 15:23:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DE063BEF8; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:22:46 EST Subject: Re: gear question and other stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c0b.100b0238.32fdebc6_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:23:09 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c0b.100b0238.32fdebc6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/8/07 11:31:47 PM, vsyevolod@yahoo.com writes: > So much of the music has been hidden in the relative lo-fi world of the=20 > Tascam.=A0 >=20 stephen.....this is what the fellow at the store told me also, the sound=20 quality is very important to me so i guess using the tascam recorder as a mi= xer is=20 not the way to go.....perhaps using my present setup and sending it into a=20 digital recorder may be the way to go.....yikes.....too many options and not= all=20 of them are good.....i find it very interesting that there is so much of a=20 difference between the mackies.....it never ends does it?.....:).....thnaks=20= for=20 responding.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_c0b.100b0238.32fdebc6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 2/8/07 11:31:47 PM, vsyevolod@yahoo.com writes:


So much of the music=20= has been hidden in the relative lo-fi world of the Tascam.=A0


stephen.....this is what the fellow at the store told me also, the sound=20= quality is very important to me so i guess using the tascam recorder as a mi= xer is not the way to go.....perhaps using my present setup and sending it i= nto a digital recorder may be the way to go.....yikes.....too many options a= nd not all of them are good.....i find it very interesting that there is so=20= much of a difference between the mackies.....it never ends does it?.....:)..= ...thnaks for responding.....michael



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--part1_c0b.100b0238.32fdebc6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 16:32:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D6D33BEE7; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 16:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=gd/3IxUIinYJfHOb4eBqECszDzr5QeWCrRM0qSJaUyLsnFN6RJ9Tdpr5gciIDQWaL+4fOQhfOw/nz2qxWEhM2f7Rl6/9SdEh19X6Mo4e2sS/irB+kR/ToUnRqP0r5+k5A/t1G0ESV1y+PKsIkbHxH4tks4KADsXepK3V9Kb/tAU=; X-YMail-OSG: rglJpawVM1n3U9JaY3rNxpFqiu6xd1iJTuJaKlrS.9A19cSMX2dwXwms7L2l7Gg19g-- Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:32:53 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: early live looping memory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2a8ca46bd71f6e20becf8a2ac94feb43@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <939470.62928.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 16:32:55 +0000 (UTC) I used to use one of those old Digitech RDS 1900 delays, 1900 ms of delay time, not long enough to do too much, but fun just the same. it had modulation controls for messing with the oscillation of the line you made. I also messed with the internals and did crank it up to about 8 seconds, but the resolution got very dodgy(BTW, anyone have an idea on how to fix that?), but now, I have it back at it's original setting. --- Richard Sales wrote: > I have two Effectrons that I still love and use. > Very funky little > boxes. I did sample and hold stuff in the early > eighties with it too. > Nothing quite as cool as IT DOESN"T MEAN etc... but > they're great > boxes, easy to use and easy to get some really wack > sound out of. > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 8-Feb-07, at 4:29 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: > > > A new friend of mine on MyPace, Aun , a talented > electronic musician > > and looper from Montreal > > just told me that he just picked up two old Delta > Lab 1024 Digital > > Delays which were the first > > affordable digital delay that had an infinite > delay/loop capability > > (at a whopping 1.024 seconds of delay time). > > > > His mentioning this just made a flood of memories > come back to me of a > > concert I did with > > Michael Haummesser, Jim Rutledge, my self (aka TAO > ELECTRICAL), Bob > > Beede and Richard Zvonar. > > > > I wrote him back this letter about it: > > > > > > ******************************************** > > Wow, what a blast from the past, Aun, > > > > I use a Delta Lab 1024 digital delay to do the > first > > ever looping show I did back in 1982. > > > > With it's very short infinite loop and ability to > speed or slow down > > the delay time, I recorded a > > vocal passage which said, > > "It doesn't mean a fucking thing" > > > > I then sped it up so that it was so fast that you > just hear a rapid > > rhythm without any intelligibility and used it as > the 'groove' for a > > piece of musical improvisation. > > > > I did all of the recording at the sound check so > the audience couldn't > > hear what made up my groove. > > > > We played the improv and at the very end of the > piece I slowed the > > loop down very, very gradually until at the last > minute as it started > > to have intelligibility, I slowed it down to > normal speed, let the > > sentence have > > full effect and then ...............lights out. > > > > Your mentioning of these wonderful delays just > took me back to that > > performance which I had completely forgotten. > Later in the show we > > each (three of us, a bassist, guitarist and > drummer) made long tape > > loops on three old tube echoplexes that had the > erase heads removed > > and one by one left the stage leaving the long > loops to play out of > > sync with each other for the intermission of the > concert. > > > > > > The impetus for the Delta Lab piece was taken from > an amusing anecdote > > that I heard about Allen Ginsberg who climbed all > the way up to the > > top of a Himalayan mountain to find a famous > ascetic buddhist priest > > who lived in a cave away from all human kind so > that he could ask him > > what the meaning of existence and life was. > > > > After a long arduous journey up the snow covered > mountain, he found > > the cave, entered, saw the old > > priest there and asked him, "What the meaning of > life". > > > > The old codger then replied in a perfect Oxford > English accent "It > > doesn't mean a fucking thing." > > > > Ginsberg turned, walked out of the cave and down > the > > > mountain...............enlightened..............lol > > > > Later, let me know how much fun you have with > those puppies. > > > > yours, Rick > > > > **************************************** > > I should also mention that the equipment that I > used that night > > belonged to Michael Haummesser (aka Not > Noise---look > > up this brilliant musician on the web, you'll > thank me for the > > recommendation). > > I couldn't afford it in the day but sure was fun > to use it. Michael > > turned me on to that whole world..............tape > loops, digital > > loops, prepared guitars, etc. Sometimes I feel > like I am doing > > things that he was doing 25 years ago in my > current work. > > He's been a huge influence on me. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 17:54:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4E503BEF1; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 17:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20070209021326.39002.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070209021326.39002.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--537100397 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: name that chord Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:53:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 17:54:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--537100397 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Speaking of the black keys, I taught my friend Jay Yarnall (in the late 70s) how to play keyboard by starting out with just the black keys while holding or pedaling an Eb with his left hand. He's a quadriplegic and it worked! He's done concerts in the bay area and has gotten quite adept... eventually migrating to scales etc. But ti's a great way to get someone up and running fast on keyboard. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-Feb-07, at 6:13 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > Let's see if this works. > Rig > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail --Apple-Mail-3--537100397 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Speaking of the black keys, I taught my friend Jay Yarnall (in the late 70s) how to play keyboard by starting out with just the black keys while holding or pedaling an Eb with his left hand. He's a quadriplegic and it worked! He's done concerts in the bay area and has gotten quite adept... eventually migrating to scales etc. But ti's a great way to get someone up and running fast on keyboard. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-Feb-07, at 6:13 PM, bill bigrig wrote: Howdy, Let's see if this works. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail < --Apple-Mail-3--537100397-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 19:06:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 992913BEF3; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 19:06:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:07:27 -0800 From: JP Mercury Subject: Re: early live looping memory In-reply-to: <20070209124215.9D2463BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: RICK WALKER Message-id: <45CCC66F.1070904@vcn.bc.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20070209124215.9D2463BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060607 Debian/1.7.12-1.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 19:06:48 +0000 (UTC) Rick, What a rad story! I love how you made the hilarious meaning of the whole rhythm available only at the end. In Kind, -~Mercury ... > With it's very short infinite loop and ability to speed or slow down > the delay time, I recorded a > vocal passage which said, > "It doesn't mean a fucking thing" ... > After a long arduous journey up the snow covered mountain, he found > the cave, entered, saw the old > priest there and asked him, "What the meaning of life". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 23:36:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5D3D3BEEC; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 23:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:35:59 -0800 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Back to the EDP, Home at last! References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 23:36:01 +0000 (UTC) L.A. Angulo wrote: > Ill second the glorification of the EDP! although > using 2 together is a gamble because they do drift at > times... i was also considering going mono and buying > the LP1 but ill i am still observing users reviews. > cheers > Luis I have two EDPs and I'm not 100% sure about this, but in my experience they do stay in phase in normal looping situations, but once I start using the loop IV "granular" features which change the loop length and/or start/end points then I noticed the units going out of phase. I think if the cycle length is altered granularly in real-time with insert/multiply/substitute etc. that is what causes the units to go out of phase. Can anyone confirm this? - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 02:34:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 025D03BEE7; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 02:34:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: J2eYabAVM1l6pJ4t1pVDTI.JPTvLOsUqKqEhpIStP.eMcY0OapofkbiJIt.Bgg4jdfi2b2KElHORHpv4B9AcZSl.r0HqyF9XlIBliFS8rEDQQOUwa5Zgu9ffR40IKlMOjnybcbN_ Message-ID: <45CD2F2E.5020301@infinivert.com> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:34:22 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OUTI looper anyone? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 02:34:57 +0000 (UTC) I just got a new MacBook Pro, and while I was looking at music/loop programs, I ran across the OUTI looper (it's also available for PC). It looks pretty cool, and I wondered if anyone on this list has experience with it... http://membres.lycos.fr/tinysoftware/ I also found another piece of fun software called "I am the Mighty Jungulator" that will do some really simple live (or pre-recorded) looping and allow you to do some fun stuff with it: http://www.iamthemightyjungulator.com/jungulator_4_3_1_manual --Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 04:30:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BA533BEDA; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 04:30:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d701c74ccc$2e0de390$6401a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "David O'Heare" To: References: <45CD2F2E.5020301@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: OUTI looper anyone? Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 23:30:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-magma-MailScanner-Information: Magma Mailscanner Service X-magma-MailScanner: Clean X-Spam-Status: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 04:30:36 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" >I just got a new MacBook Pro, and while I was looking at music/loop >programs, I ran across the OUTI looper (it's also available for PC). It >looks pretty cool, and I wondered if anyone on this list has experience >with it... > > http://membres.lycos.fr/tinysoftware/ After five or six tries to get through the popups and stuff, I gave up. I finally ended up with a nice blank page with the Lycos stuff down the right edge. Did anybody make sense of this? Dave O'H oheareATmagmaDOTca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 07:27:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 229CC3BEE8; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 07:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: hRQf6LUVM1nBO9Ul9Bq_O.Xip8K10FHYiUKBXgEQId25Doh2IUH2NY7kJCWZAOxweNVrOqtRwm4tqhoghri6W2H.CkvTyzJJbfr5CKhohPA07Rx0sBytwQ-- Message-ID: <45CD73D6.1050504@infinivert.com> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 01:27:18 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OUTI looper anyone? References: <45CD2F2E.5020301@infinivert.com> <00d701c74ccc$2e0de390$6401a8c0@LAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <00d701c74ccc$2e0de390$6401a8c0@LAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 07:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Really? The link works fine for me using Firefox. Though I'll admit that the site is a little confusing. Here's a direct link to the OUTI product page (without all the frames): http://www.tinytool.org/eng/main_eng.html --Josh David O'Heare wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" > > >> I just got a new MacBook Pro, and while I was looking at music/loop >> programs, I ran across the OUTI looper (it's also available for PC). >> It looks pretty cool, and I wondered if anyone on this list has >> experience with it... >> >> http://membres.lycos.fr/tinysoftware/ > > After five or six tries to get through the popups and stuff, I gave > up. I finally ended up with a nice blank page with the Lycos stuff > down the right edge. > > Did anybody make sense of this? > > Dave O'H > oheareATmagmaDOTca > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 09:12:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 672553BEC5; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 09:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 04:10:56 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to the AM/FM Show in less than two hours from now. 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Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 12:38:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89C923BECC; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAHdLzUXUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACOVgEBAQEHDgcGHZFeAQEBgRA Message-ID: <45CDBCAD.8060205@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:38:05 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Back to the EDP, Home at last! References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> In-Reply-To: <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Sam Nilsson wrote: > > I have two EDPs and I'm not 100% sure about this, but in my experience > they do stay in phase in normal looping situations, but once I start > using the loop IV "granular" features which change the loop length > and/or start/end points then I noticed the units going out of phase. > > I think if the cycle length is altered granularly in real-time with > insert/multiply/substitute etc. that is what causes the units to go > out of phase. > > Can anyone confirm this? > > - Sam > > Yep, that's about right. It also happens sometimes if you "re-record" a loop (i.e. if you start recording while not in reset) and occasionally when you do Next-Record. ..all part of the fun best to work out strategies to deal with this when it happens at a gig. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 13:43:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 135093BEEA; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005b01c74d19$66ef7a00$ad49b251@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> <45CDBCAD.8060205@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: OT: UK Tour date Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:43:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <7z-FGB.A.vuF.tvczFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi all I will be showcasing my new project at 93 Feet East on Brick Lane (London) on 5 March. It is the album launch party of Ellis Island Sound (Pete Astor, David Sheppard) its free entry, also performing is a harpist called Serafina. It should be a really great night. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 14:27:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3BE63BEE8; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45CDD6C3.6020209@online.de> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:29:23 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert Reply-To: dwilbert@rhein-zeitung.de User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: my first loop References: <30463067.1170813129535.JavaMail.root@m11> <45CC75EA.4050009@soundscapes.us> In-Reply-To: <45CC75EA.4050009@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:4b71bc696fc763f6cec601b60d25548c X-Provags-ID2: V01U2FsdGVkX1+2DvHDW8L7xT01VmosOYewWq0emBFeco3J0i7QgzJ5KeanxQGVmhifW17rMLURVDqnvo0zpT7YgaSAOVHLnG3hWzouBMRZ1Grc/DtlKtmJa1cArt8qex42 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Bill Fox schrieb: > Dirk Wilbert wrote: > >> this is the first looping piece I recorded that I like - happened >> quite by accident this evening, when I was playing around with the >> Mo-FX delay and the alesis metavox - suddenly the basic loop was >> there and I started to jam over it. >> I think it's funny that I didn't use Mobius or the Digitech Jamman >> Looper (that I bought for this ;-)- must be kind of a sign not to >> focus too much on the technical part of looping. > > Hi Dirk, > > I'm listening right now. Sounds awesome! The guitar, like the loop, > is sublimely understated. > > Cheers, > > Bill > Hi Bill, thank you! It's not a guitar - it's a CP33 E-Piano sound run through some effects. I tried to let it sound like a guitar. Dirk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 15:36:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 443F83BEEA; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:36:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OUTI looper anyone? Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:36:03 +0000 Message-Id: <021020071536.22357.45CDE6630002DCCA000057552216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22357_1171121763_0" Resent-Message-ID: <5SyLsC.A.9cE.mZezFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:36:07 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22357_1171121763_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Not me. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "David O'Heare" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Carroll" > > > >I just got a new MacBook Pro, and while I was looking at music/loop > >programs, I ran across the OUTI looper (it's also available for PC). It > >looks pretty cool, and I wondered if anyone on this list has experience > >with it... > > > > http://membres.lycos.fr/tinysoftware/ > > After five or six tries to get through the popups and stuff, I gave up. I > finally ended up with a nice blank page with the Lycos stuff down the right > edge. > > Did anybody make sense of this? > > Dave O'H > oheareATmagmaDOTca > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22357_1171121763_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Not me.
 
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From: "David O'Heare" <oheare@magma.ca>

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Carroll"
>
>
> >I just got a new MacBook Pro, and while I was looking at music/loop
> >programs, I ran across the OUTI looper (it's also available for PC). It
> >looks pretty cool, and I wondered if anyone on this list has experience
> >with it...
> >
> > http://membres.lycos.fr/tinysoftware/
>
> After five or six tries to get through the popups and stuff, I gave up. I
> finally ended up with a nice blank page with the Lycos stuff down the right
> edge.
>
> Did anybody make sense of this?
>
> Dave O'H
> oheareATmagmaDOTca
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22357_1171121763_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 16:01:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17EE63BEF3; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:59:24 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for February 10, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <45CDEBDC.2010508@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:01:30 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2007/070210.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #102 February 10, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Edgar Froese] Talking To Maddox E-dition #12 (Groove) VA [Thomas Fanger] Velvet Beach E-dition #12 (Groove) VA [Robert Fox] On Reflection E-dition #12 (Groove) VA [Thought Guild] Awakening Mind E-dition #12 (Groove) Bass Communion Part 1 Loss (soleilmoon) Copal River Easier In The Day Copal River (Blue Water) Dwight Ashley Withdrawal of the Ataxia (Nepenthe) Many Ololuiqui Strefa 50 Other Side of Odra (Ricochet Dream) Phase II/Eclectic: Pre-empted by Phase I. Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Pinnacle Love In Our Hands Meld (Everything To Excess) TriPod Smoke and Mirrors TriPod (Moonjune) Glass Hammer Behind the Great Shadowlands( Arion) Beyond Ozric Tentacles Etherclock * The Floor's Too Far Away (Magna Carta) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on February 24. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 17:23:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77F593BEE7; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001d01c74d38$2de1d270$6401a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "David O'Heare" To: Cc: References: <45CD2F2E.5020301@infinivert.com> <00d701c74ccc$2e0de390$6401a8c0@LAPTOP> <45CD73D6.1050504@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: OUTI looper anyone? Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:23:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-magma-MailScanner-Information: Magma Mailscanner Service X-magma-MailScanner: Clean X-Spam-Status: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, that worked fine. Dave O'H oheareATmagmaDOTca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 2:27 AM Subject: Re: OUTI looper anyone? > Really? The link works fine for me using Firefox. Though I'll admit that > the site is a little confusing. Here's a direct link to the OUTI product > page (without all the frames): > > http://www.tinytool.org/eng/main_eng.html > > --Josh > > > David O'Heare wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" >> >> >>> I just got a new MacBook Pro, and while I was looking at music/loop >>> programs, I ran across the OUTI looper (it's also available for PC). It >>> looks pretty cool, and I wondered if anyone on this list has experience >>> with it... >>> >>> http://membres.lycos.fr/tinysoftware/ >> >> After five or six tries to get through the popups and stuff, I gave up. >> I finally ended up with a nice blank page with the Lycos stuff down the >> right edge. >> >> Did anybody make sense of this? >> >> Dave O'H >> oheareATmagmaDOTca >> >> >> . >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 18:26:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7220E3BEEA; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:26:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <01e801c74bc3$071b3d00$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <4CB9CB8A-4993-44C6-9E87-CEB8C5A6319E@zoekeating.com> <01e801c74bc3$071b3d00$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--448732269 Message-Id: <1408A8BC-AB44-4C4E-8E1C-B15D0D94F1E2@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Imogen&Zoe Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:26:35 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: 3f7715ae-b934-11db-8638-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtcYlU4Cld1 UkhJRUJTHA9qBxYC D1AWVAdzdQxYeXl2 e0d9XHVZWVt6Oxp8 Mzc1RioCZWdgbGUa HkJddwIac1VNeR5A OwViBnoOZXgGZy4y Wl9tZGB0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV3wGTHYd QhcNEDNhL0oIL2Qg X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:556/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:26:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--448732269 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed yes, stereo only, if i understand your question. i find the individual outs mode of the repeater far too confusing and error prone to use reliably onstage. so i just use each repeater as a mixer, then mix down in the computer with whatever other loops i've made in ableton. engineer gets stereo L&R for loops and separate out for the cello. On Feb 8, 2007, at 8:52 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > > I also wondered how Zoe was using her two Repeaters. For stereo > only? Would > you comment on that if you read it Zoe? --Apple-Mail-2--448732269 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 yes, stereo only, if i = understand your question.=A0
i find the individual outs mode of the = repeater far too confusing and error prone to use reliably = onstage.
so i just use each repeater as a mixer, then mix down = in the computer with whatever other loops i've made in = ableton.=A0
engineer gets stereo L&R for loops and = separate out for the cello.

On Feb 8, 2007, at = 8:52 PM, Michael Peters wrote:


I also wondered how Zoe was using her two Repeaters. For = stereo only? Would

you comment on that if you read it Zoe?

=

= --Apple-Mail-2--448732269-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 18:31:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E7CC3BEF3; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CFjD7dckuQdpH9WmmZYBYuAEhOYC7ZyZlq10xi7k3ubky0KAgJW04hwghlOaSfEwJOXA67Mut23OT9VYbzrndbf1THz4XA0tPTSYt/OaKbVq57HnDWYOPazJALnmI1/i+sBDtbh0MzH+tGT90NzcN9LU5FJclOBiaY53Mpl+Pic= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45CDBCAD.8060205@tiscali.co.uk> References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> <45CDBCAD.8060205@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <30B11C4D-40FC-4B49-81CC-634B854BE794@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Back to the EDP, Home at last! Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:31:22 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:31:28 +0000 (UTC) > Sam Nilsson wrote: >> >> I have two EDPs and I'm not 100% sure about this, but in my >> experience they do stay in phase in normal looping situations, but >> once I start using the loop IV "granular" features which change >> the loop length and/or start/end points then I noticed the units >> going out of phase. >> >> I think if the cycle length is altered granularly in real-time >> with insert/multiply/substitute etc. that is what causes the units >> to go out of phase. >> >> Can anyone confirm this? >> >> - Sam >> On 10 feb 2007, at 13.38, andy butler wrote: > Yep, that's about right. > It also happens sometimes if you "re-record" a loop > (i.e. if you start recording while not in reset) > and occasionally when you do Next-Record. > > ..all part of the fun > > best to work out strategies to deal with this when it happens at a > gig. Is this a total loss of sync or is it just a little fluttering? Are you (Sam) talking about using two EDPs for the same actions, as left and right channel in a stereo signal? Or does this problem happen when running them as two mono units in synced poly rhythmic parts? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 19:26:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C054B3BEEC; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200702101926.l1AJQ8x3065611@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: gear question and other stuff Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:26:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C74D06.43C73620" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcdMXjVoFNRB3/43TEe5d7XyXznUlAA5kkrw X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:26:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C74D06.43C73620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey scoots. Had you considered going the rout of a digital mixing board with lap top or main frame? A friend of mine who I trust on all matters recording related has a behringer digital mixer, that replaced his older Yamaha 01 mixer, and he thinks it is fantastic, not a word usually associated with behringer. Apparently they hired a completely different set of engineers to design the thing, and it is really a nice piece of gear. I believe it's called the DDX3216. With a digital mixer you have both the capability to use for recording and live, with the benefits of digital automation, and added effects algorithmns. Bill _____ From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 7:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gear question and other stuff In a message dated 2/8/07 11:31:47 PM, vsyevolod@yahoo.com writes: So much of the music has been hidden in the relative lo-fi world of the Tascam. stephen.....this is what the fellow at the store told me also, the sound quality is very important to me so i guess using the tascam recorder as a mixer is not the way to go.....perhaps using my present setup and sending it into a digital recorder may be the way to go.....yikes.....too many options and not all of them are good.....i find it very interesting that there is so much of a difference between the mackies.....it never ends does it?.....:).....thnaks for responding.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C74D06.43C73620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey scoots. Had you considered = going the rout of a digital mixing board with lap top or main frame? A friend of = mine who I trust on all matters recording related has a behringer digital mixer, = that replaced his older Yamaha 01 mixer, and he thinks it is fantastic, not a = word usually associated with behringer. Apparently they hired a completely = different set of engineers to design the thing, and it is really a nice piece of = gear.  I believe it’s called the DDX3216. With a digital = mixer you have both the capability to use for recording and live, with the = benefits of  digital automation, and added effects algorithmns.

Bill

 


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In a message dated 2/8/07 11:31:47 PM, vsyevolod@yahoo.com writes:



So much of the = music has been hidden in the relative lo-fi world of the = Tascam. 



stephen.....this is what the fellow at the store told me also, the sound quality is very important to me so i guess using the tascam recorder as = a mixer is not the way to go.....perhaps using my present setup and sending it = into a digital recorder may be the way to go.....yikes.....too many options and = not all of them are good.....i find it very interesting that there is so = much of a difference between the mackies.....it never ends does = it?.....:).....thnaks for responding.....michael



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 02:59:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3474C3BEF9; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <30B11C4D-40FC-4B49-81CC-634B854BE794@gmail.com> References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> <45CDBCAD.8060205@tiscali.co.uk> <30B11C4D-40FC-4B49-81CC-634B854BE794@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: RC-50 wierdness Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:59:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:59:33 +0000 (UTC) ok... I found something I don't like about the RC-50. When I play live with my band and record and everything sounds great, I of course, want to fly the samples I made live into pro tools individually so I can have some mixing control. when I do that and line my pro tools tracks up with a click at the tempo the RC-50 is at the stuff never lines up with the click. it's always about .05 bpm off. any RC-50 users come across this before or find a better solution than just shifting stuff around? maybe this is why some others have had sync problems before. teddy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 03:32:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93B853BEFF; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 03:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: cheap two way switches Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:33:05 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 03:32:58 +0000 (UTC) What type of live two way switches is anyone using for effects plus vocals? Right now I use my custom mic mounted in my guitar for vocal loops, but I think it would be cleaner to be able to mix guitar and voice prior to the EDP. Thoughts? ~peace~ plish From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 04:20:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A4D73BEFA; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> <45CDBCAD.8060205@tiscali.co.uk> <30B11C4D-40FC-4B49-81CC-634B854BE794@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--326732920 Message-Id: <88862b7a4737debc8c887fecbae4c037@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: RC-50 wierdness Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:19:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:20:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--326732920 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Teddy I haven't done it but I've been thinking about it. I think I would slave my RC 50 to MIDI Time Code from Pro Tools - or vice versa. So you need some kind of time clock - if your Pro Tools interface isn't generating one - to slave your system to. Then all the elements SHOULD sync up nicely. That's how I used to slave my sequencer, Pro Tools, keyboard arpeggiators (MIDI Beat Clock), video etc. I haven't checked to see if the RC 50 generates time code. It MIGHT generate Midi Beat Clock which can work. Not as elegant as time code. Actually, it's possible the RC50 only SEES and HEARS MIDI Beat Clock. I should check. One problem I have with the RC 50 is even when the click or rhythm track is set to go out the sub it comes out the main into my guitar amp. Hummmm! Not good. But I'm having TONS of fun with it. I can almost see the whites in the eyes of the Looperlative Army coming at me... hear the roll of their snare drums... and I know I'll have to break down and get one someday soon. I SURRENDER! But other more critical things - or crucial to the SOUND - keep jumping in the path. Got a Fulltone Tube Tape Echo and that's been a blast. My old tape Echoplex was having a near death experience so it's going off to the hospital (and hopefully not the morgue) soon. Two new (old) amps coming soon. Late fifties early sixties Magnatone 213s. A Durham Sex Drive. New Area 51 guts for my Cry Baby. Fun stuff. I think I'll be selling an old ARP OMNI 2 soon on Ebay. Maybe my (mint) 1972 50 Watt Marshall head.... maybe my Korg Z1. The Z1 is ferocious and has a really cool arpeggiator. Slimming down. Maybe sell the old Roland MC4 and OC8. Anyone know what that is? EMU E4K? Not sure but pondering. I just don't use any of it any more. But the pack rat holds on for dear life. Let me know what you learn on the sync front, Teddy. It can be done I'm sure. I'll try to look at it tomorrow when I'm not nodding out. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 11-Feb-07, at 6:59 PM, Teddy wrote: > ok... I found something I don't like about the RC-50. > > When I play live with my band and record and everything sounds great, > I of course, want to fly the samples I made live into pro tools > individually so I can have some mixing control. > > when I do that and line my pro tools tracks up with a click at the > tempo the RC-50 is at the stuff never lines up with the click. > it's always about .05 bpm off. > > any RC-50 users come across this before or find a better solution than > just shifting stuff around? > maybe this is why some others have had sync problems before. > > teddy > --Apple-Mail-1--326732920 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi Teddy I haven't done it but I've been thinking about it. I think I would slave my RC 50 to MIDI Time Code from Pro Tools - or vice versa. So you need some kind of time clock - if your Pro Tools interface isn't generating one - to slave your system to. Then all the elements SHOULD sync up nicely. That's how I used to slave my sequencer, Pro Tools, keyboard arpeggiators (MIDI Beat Clock), video etc. I haven't checked to see if the RC 50 generates time code. It MIGHT generate Midi Beat Clock which can work. Not as elegant as time code. Actually, it's possible the RC50 only SEES and HEARS MIDI Beat Clock. I should check. One problem I have with the RC 50 is even when the click or rhythm track is set to go out the sub it comes out the main into my guitar amp. Hummmm! Not good. But I'm having TONS of fun with it. I can almost see the whites in the eyes of the Looperlative Army coming at me... hear the roll of their snare drums... and I know I'll have to break down and get one someday soon. I SURRENDER! But other more critical things - or crucial to the SOUND - keep jumping in the path. Got a Fulltone Tube Tape Echo and that's been a blast. My old tape Echoplex was having a near death experience so it's going off to the hospital (and hopefully not the morgue) soon. Two new (old) amps coming soon. Late fifties early sixties Magnatone 213s. A Durham Sex Drive. New Area 51 guts for my Cry Baby. Fun stuff. I think I'll be selling an old ARP OMNI 2 soon on Ebay. Maybe my (mint) 1972 50 Watt Marshall head.... maybe my Korg Z1. The Z1 is ferocious and has a really cool arpeggiator. Slimming down. Maybe sell the old Roland MC4 and OC8. Anyone know what that is? EMU E4K? Not sure but pondering. I just don't use any of it any more. But the pack rat holds on for dear life. Let me know what you learn on the sync front, Teddy. It can be done I'm sure. I'll try to look at it tomorrow when I'm not nodding out. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 11-Feb-07, at 6:59 PM, Teddy wrote: ok... I found something I don't like about the RC-50. When I play live with my band and record and everything sounds great, I of course, want to fly the samples I made live into pro tools individually so I can have some mixing control. when I do that and line my pro tools tracks up with a click at the tempo the RC-50 is at the stuff never lines up with the click. it's always about .05 bpm off. any RC-50 users come across this before or find a better solution than just shifting stuff around? maybe this is why some others have had sync problems before. teddy --Apple-Mail-1--326732920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 05:24:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18BF73BEFB; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <88862b7a4737debc8c887fecbae4c037@glasswing.com> References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> <45CDBCAD.8060205@tiscali.co.uk> <30B11C4D-40FC-4B49-81CC-634B854BE794@gmail.com> <88862b7a4737debc8c887fecbae4c037@glasswing.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--322845668 Message-Id: <3B4B2B4B-10C8-4AEE-BEA3-9D9254292C20@mac.com> From: Teddy Subject: Re: RC-50 wierdness Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:24:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:24:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--322845668 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Feb 11, 2007, at 11:19 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > Hi Teddy > > I haven't done it but I've been thinking about it. I think I would > slave my RC 50 to MIDI Time Code from Pro Tools - or vice versa. > So you need some kind of time clock - if your Pro Tools interface > isn't generating one - to slave your system to. Then all the > elements SHOULD sync up nicely. maybe I didn't enunciate it right. I don't even want to slave the 2 together. I just want to record the looped elements into pro tools again individually and have them so I can mix. the problem I have is that the RC-50's tempo is not what it says it is, according to pro tools. > > One problem I have with the RC 50 is even when the click or rhythm > track is set to go out the sub it comes out the main into my guitar > amp. Hummmm! Not good. that you can set per patch OR globally in the system menu. if you do it per patch you have to set in each patch. I use a 3 amp setup with gtr loops in one, vocal loops in another and the crappy drum machine through all sorts of weirdness out the mains. the drag for me is you can't pan the guide drums. > > But I'm having TONS of fun with it. I can almost see the whites in > the eyes of the Looperlative Army coming at me... hear the roll of > their snare drums... and I know I'll have to break down and get one > someday soon. I SURRENDER! But other more critical things - or > crucial to the SOUND - keep jumping in the path. I don't care what it is, carrying a rack to a gig doesn't interest me in the least. > > Got a Fulltone Tube Tape Echo and that's been a blast. My old tape > Echoplex was having a near death experience so it's going off to > the hospital (and hopefully not the morgue) soon. Two new (old) > amps coming soon. Late fifties early sixties Magnatone 213s. A > Durham Sex Drive. New Area 51 guts for my Cry Baby. Fun stuff. ahhhh... nice. I have 5 magnatones, they are amazing. Teddy --Apple-Mail-4--322845668 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Feb 11, 2007, = at 11:19 PM, Richard Sales wrote:

Hi Teddy
I haven't done it but = I've been thinking about it.=A0 = I think I would slave my RC 50 to MIDI Time Code from Pro Tools - = or vice versa.=A0 So you = need some kind of time clock - if your Pro Tools interface isn't = generating one - to slave your system to.=A0 Then all the elements SHOULD = sync up nicely.=A0 =

maybe I didn't enunciate it = right.
I don't even want to slave the 2 together. I just want = to record the looped elements into pro tools again individually and have = them so I can mix.
the problem I have is that the RC-50's = tempo is not what it says it is, according to pro tools.


One problem I have with the RC 50 is even when = the click or rhythm track is set to go out the sub it comes out the main = into my guitar amp.=A0 = Hummmm! Not good.

that you can set per patch OR = globally in the system menu. if you do it per patch you have to set in = each patch. I use a 3 amp setup with gtr loops in one, vocal loops in = another and the crappy drum machine through all sorts of weirdness out = the mains. the drag for me is you can't pan the guide = drums.

But I'm having TONS of = fun with it.=A0 I can = almost see the whites in the eyes of the Looperlative Army coming at = me... hear the roll of their snare drums... and I know I'll have to = break down and get one someday soon.=A0 I SURRENDER! But other more = critical things - or crucial to the SOUND - keep jumping in the = path.=A0
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I don't care what it is, = carrying a rack to a gig doesn't interest me in the = least.

Got a Fulltone Tube Tape = Echo and that's been a blast.=A0 = My old tape Echoplex was having a near death experience so it's = going off to the hospital (and hopefully not the morgue) soon.=A0 Two new (old) amps coming = soon.=A0 Late fifties early = sixties Magnatone 213s. A Durham Sex Drive.=A0 New Area 51 guts for my Cry = Baby.=A0 Fun stuff.=A0
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ahhhh... nice. I have 5 = magnatones, they are amazing.=A0


= --Apple-Mail-4--322845668-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 06:57:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF1863BEFB; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20070212042008.C51B83BF04@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: NYC recommendations Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:57:09 +0100 Message-ID: <002601c74e73$040aca10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcdOXq7OF5E8lEbsQcGX1pLs9CO4hAAE7vJw In-Reply-To: <20070212042008.C51B83BF04@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <1dtVTB.A.qsG.k_A0FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:57:40 +0000 (UTC) I'll be in NYC from Feb 26th to March 3rd (without instruments, so no chance to jam with nyc loopers ...) I'd be grateful for recommendations ... interesting events, places to go, gear shops ... (maybe offlist ...) Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 08:12:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 802D53BEF6; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=M/NnFl1HRz6niZCB6e1IvpfpqCFvp+ltEfh/Mnzo+QlFtHs2E6OmO8+ihLf7T+Twe8l/IyJyKUN+1OEOkn/7oXqFN8YeOI4i9UXq+5L9wfElxrJ2EEe5YskTl32e2ZSdk2m4rzTKESmxR5mVcC9Tf1uh7osMDVkX041jSWEfj7s= In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3B1238A1-49B2-4270-BAB7-339A5C9E2481@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: cheap two way switches Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:11:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:12:00 +0000 (UTC) On 12 feb 2007, at 04.33, Michael Plishka wrote: > What type of live two way switches is anyone using for effects plus > vocals? > Right now I use my custom mic mounted in my guitar for vocal loops, > but I > think it would be cleaner to be able to mix guitar and voice prior > to the > EDP. Thoughts? In one of my rigs I use guitar and mic in parallel inputs and with volume pedals, one for each. I sometimes use the same input for both but then I turn off the mic when not in use (preventing acoustic feedback) with a little power button on the small XLR converter box (the preamp providing phantom power). When playing flute its easy because I use the same mic for voice and instrument but guitar is most problematic. I've seen some people using headset mics which seems to work fine with guitar. When you say "live two way switches" I'm guessing you want to use the same input for both voice and guitar? I was looking into this some years ago, when I was using my EDP plus Repeater and had only one input. I learned that if you go for a switch you need to get some really good (and expensive) ones to avoid loud bumps in the PA. There might be many but this is a brand I was recommended: http:// www.lehle.com/ I think it looks very cool when acoustic guitarists sing through the guitars mic. So fast and easy, very performance friendly (explicit).. But as you're saying the resulting vocal sound will always sound just like voice-through-guitar+effects. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 08:28:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 123FC3BF06; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <3B1238A1-49B2-4270-BAB7-339A5C9E2481@gmail.com> References: <3B1238A1-49B2-4270-BAB7-339A5C9E2481@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <01AF6F3D-F155-45E3-A8B4-A590FCEBAE92@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: cheap two way switches Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:28:24 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:28:26 +0000 (UTC) I use this inexpensive one: Boss AB-2 (AB2) A/B Footswitch Selector Pedal Mic and guitar are going through the same signal path. Bernhard On Feb 12, 2007, at 09:11 :55, Per Boysen wrote: > When you say "live two way switches" I'm guessing you want to use > the same input for both voice and guitar? I was looking into this > some years ago, when I was using my EDP plus Repeater and had only > one input. I learned that if you go for a switch you need to get > some really good (and expensive) ones to avoid loud bumps in the > PA. There might be many but this is a brand I was recommended: > http://www.lehle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 09:26:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 064FC3BF00; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=45JjfFHlSn014c9qqE3c+uGRX5O9f2E0pfXHa8Kn4h1lPyomE9ty0Hh0oxSmJJFuYHuXItfpnHHc4a7q7oIMRI46qFdL1wlL85EQpeR1abpL0D2byLpyGTbZh5njQt4f7yA7U7MlyWOlX36LhuBj62Ud+CofMwr1fqF2tOQAFTU= ; X-YMail-OSG: K5h5u5QVM1mICRgqQX9PAXrIUfznE726UllINspXNu5qtRanACOTcMiDaIdhbTdHelRpkU4BE.JjmDYLqS4pw.p9lxhne1dkbj1ac25PlzrIIVuKSKS14ZNlPTE1JPx3maBc47XgfEk- Message-ID: <008301c74e87$dce1b740$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <45CD2F2E.5020301@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: OUTI looper anyone? Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:26:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:26 +0000 (UTC) It is on the list of my "to test" software but I was waiting for the PC update to come. The old zip was corrupted. I came also accross this one this weekend: http://www.gvst.co.uk/beta.htm >> Gloop. Still in beta. Greetings, Ben ___________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 12:28:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C691A3BEFF; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAFvsz0XUSnIvk2dsb2JhbACOVwEBBw4NHZFsAQEBgRM Message-ID: <45D05BD1.3070404@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:21:37 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 wierdness References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> <45CDBCAD.8060205@tiscali.co.uk> <30B11C4D-40FC-4B49-81CC-634B854BE794@gmail.com> <88862b7a4737debc8c887fecbae4c037@glasswing.com> <3B4B2B4B-10C8-4AEE-BEA3-9D9254292C20@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <3B4B2B4B-10C8-4AEE-BEA3-9D9254292C20@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Turn off the BPM in Pro Tools, or ignore it. You don't need BPM in an audio application. ...but if you want accurate BPM matching, then you have to sync. > maybe I didn't enunciate it right. > I don't even want to slave the 2 together. I just want to record the > looped elements into pro tools again individually and have them so I > can mix. > the problem I have is that the RC-50's tempo is not what it says it > is, according to pro tools. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 12:36:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84F893BF05; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAP7tz0XUSnIvsmdsb2JhbACOVwEBAgEEDg0dkV8BAQGBEw Message-ID: <45D05D1F.6060809@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:27:11 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheap two way switches References: <3B1238A1-49B2-4270-BAB7-339A5C9E2481@gmail.com> <01AF6F3D-F155-45E3-A8B4-A590FCEBAE92@bernhardwagner.net> In-Reply-To: <01AF6F3D-F155-45E3-A8B4-A590FCEBAE92@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > I use this inexpensive one: > Boss AB-2 (AB2) A/B Footswitch Selector Pedal > > Mic and guitar are going through the same signal path. > > Bernhard > ??So I guess you use a high impedance mic with good output?? (most mics won't match the guitar volume at all in this situation afaik) andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 12:59:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C00B3BEFF; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <3B4B2B4B-10C8-4AEE-BEA3-9D9254292C20@mac.com> References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> <45CDBCAD.8060205@tiscali.co.uk> <30B11C4D-40FC-4B49-81CC-634B854BE794@gmail.com> <88862b7a4737debc8c887fecbae4c037@glasswing.com> <3B4B2B4B-10C8-4AEE-BEA3-9D9254292C20@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--295603652 Message-Id: <7916ef922e3cd3c69ff76e9840f96c57@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: RC-50 wierdness Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:58:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:59:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--295603652 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 11-Feb-07, at 9:24 PM, Teddy wrote: > > On Feb 11, 2007, at 11:19 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > >> Hi Teddy >> >> I haven't done it but I've been thinking about it. I think I would=20 >> slave my RC 50 to MIDI Time Code from Pro Tools - or vice versa. So=20= >> you need some kind of time clock - if your Pro Tools interface isn't=20= >> generating one - to slave your system to. Then all the elements=20 >> SHOULD sync up nicely. > maybe I didn't enunciate it right. > I don't even want to slave the 2 together. I just want to record the=20= > looped elements into pro tools again individually and have them so I=20= > can mix. > the problem I have is that the RC-50's tempo is not what it says it=20 > is, according to pro tools. Well... I haven't tried this so I don't know. Are you using Pro Tools=20= as a sequencer for MIDI stuff? I would just not use the tempo function=20= in Pro Tools if you're not using it as a sequencer. But I might not be=20= understanding what's going on still. I've never had any luck with tempos and sync without some master clock=20= running the show. > >> >> One problem I have with the RC 50 is even when the click or rhythm=20 >> track is set to go out the sub it comes out the main into my guitar=20= >> amp. Hummmm! Not good. > that you can set per patch OR globally in the system menu. if you do=20= > it per patch you have to set in each patch. I use a 3 amp setup with=20= > gtr loops in one, vocal loops in another and the crappy drum machine=20= > through all sorts of weirdness out the mains. the drag for me is you=20= > can't pan the guide drums. I've done this and it still leaks out the main! I've done it globally=20= and per patch. I'm a little mystified. > >> >> But I'm having TONS of fun with it. I can almost see the whites in=20 >> the eyes of the Looperlative Army coming at me... hear the roll of=20 >> their snare drums... and I know I'll have to break down and get one=20= >> someday soon. I SURRENDER! But other more critical things - or=20 >> crucial to the SOUND - keep jumping in the path. > I don't care what it is, carrying a rack to a gig doesn't interest me=20= > in the least. I know what you mean. It can get expensive flying this stuff around=20 too. So I'm currently sticking with the RC50 because of that and=20 because I find that working with limitations forces creativity. And=20 because my wish list is ungodly and frightening. > >> >> Got a Fulltone Tube Tape Echo and that's been a blast. My old tape=20 >> Echoplex was having a near death experience so it's going off to the=20= >> hospital (and hopefully not the morgue) soon. Two new (old) amps=20 >> coming soon. Late fifties early sixties Magnatone 213s. A Durham Sex=20= >> Drive. New Area 51 guts for my Cry Baby. Fun stuff. > ahhhh... nice. I have 5 magnatones, they are amazing.=A0 Well... I have three - or will when the next two arrive. I love the=20 sound so much. Very thick and rich and fat. One of the last real=20 bargains in vintage amps. > > Teddy > > > --Apple-Mail-1--295603652 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 11-Feb-07, at 9:24 PM, Teddy wrote: On Feb 11, 2007, at 11:19 PM, Richard Sales wrote: Lucida GrandeHi = Teddy Lucida GrandeI haven't done it but I've been thinking about it. I think I would slave my RC 50 to MIDI Time Code from Pro Tools - or vice versa. So you need some kind of time clock - if your Pro Tools interface isn't generating one - to slave your system to. Then all the elements SHOULD sync up nicely. = maybe I didn't enunciate it right. I don't even want to slave the 2 together. I just want to record the looped elements into pro tools again individually and have them so I can mix. the problem I have is that the RC-50's tempo is not what it says it is, according to pro tools. Well... I haven't tried this so I don't know. Are you using Pro Tools as a sequencer for MIDI stuff? I would just not use the tempo function in Pro Tools if you're not using it as a sequencer. But I might not be understanding what's going on still.=20 I've never had any luck with tempos and sync without some master clock running the show. =20 Lucida GrandeOne problem I have with the RC 50 is even when the click or rhythm track is set to go out the sub it comes out the main into my guitar amp. Hummmm! Not = good. that you can set per patch OR globally in the system menu. if you do it per patch you have to set in each patch. I use a 3 amp setup with gtr loops in one, vocal loops in another and the crappy drum machine through all sorts of weirdness out the mains. the drag for me is you can't pan the guide drums. I've done this and it still leaks out the main! I've done it globally and per patch. I'm a little mystified. =20 Lucida GrandeBut I'm having TONS of fun with it. I can almost see the whites in the eyes of the Looperlative Army coming at me... hear the roll of their snare drums... and I know I'll have to break down and get one someday soon. I SURRENDER! But other more critical things - or crucial to the SOUND - keep jumping in the path. I don't care what it is, carrying a rack to a gig doesn't interest me in the least. I know what you mean. It can get expensive flying this stuff around too. So I'm currently sticking with the RC50 because of that and because I find that working with limitations forces creativity. And because my wish list is ungodly and frightening.=20 Lucida GrandeGot a Fulltone Tube Tape Echo and that's been a blast. My old tape Echoplex was having a near death experience so it's going off to the hospital (and hopefully not the morgue) soon. Two new (old) amps coming soon. Late fifties early sixties Magnatone 213s. A Durham Sex Drive. New Area 51 guts for my Cry Baby. Fun stuff. ahhhh... nice. I have 5 magnatones, they are amazing.=A0 Well... I have three - or will when the next two arrive. I love the sound so much. Very thick and rich and fat. One of the last real bargains in vintage amps. Lucida = GrandeTeddy = --Apple-Mail-1--295603652-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 13:55:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 661EF3BF06; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:55:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <45D05D1F.6060809@tiscali.co.uk> References: <3B1238A1-49B2-4270-BAB7-339A5C9E2481@gmail.com> <01AF6F3D-F155-45E3-A8B4-A590FCEBAE92@bernhardwagner.net> <45D05D1F.6060809@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B1317FF-62B3-4B90-A51D-43F8AE4CE4E7@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: cheap two way switches Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:55:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:55:15 +0000 (UTC) Right, also using a mic preamp (M-Audio AudioBuddy). On Feb 12, 2007, at 13:27 :11, andy butler wrote: > Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: >> I use this inexpensive one: >> Boss AB-2 (AB2) A/B Footswitch Selector Pedal >> >> Mic and guitar are going through the same signal path. >> >> Bernhard >> > ??So I guess you use a high impedance mic with good output?? > (most mics won't match the guitar volume at all in this situation > afaik) > > andybutler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 14:38:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 995113BF04; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:38:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <45D05BD1.3070404@tiscali.co.uk> References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> <45CDBCAD.8060205@tiscali.co.uk> <30B11C4D-40FC-4B49-81CC-634B854BE794@gmail.com> <88862b7a4737debc8c887fecbae4c037@glasswing.com> <3B4B2B4B-10C8-4AEE-BEA3-9D9254292C20@mac.com> <45D05BD1.3070404@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <83B4D9BE-75A9-4CF4-983B-26E24087CFDB@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: RC-50 wierdness Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:38:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:38:40 +0000 (UTC) I do if I want to do what I'm doing. we played the stuff live with my RC-50 running into pro tools now I want to fly those parts into pro tools and loop them to do that I do need the tempo in PT to be the same. or? what's your idea? teddy On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:21 AM, andy butler wrote: > Turn off the BPM in Pro Tools, > or ignore it. > You don't need BPM in an audio application. > > > ...but if you want accurate BPM matching, then you have to sync. >> maybe I didn't enunciate it right. >> I don't even want to slave the 2 together. I just want to record >> the looped elements into pro tools again individually and have >> them so I can mix. >> the problem I have is that the RC-50's tempo is not what it says >> it is, according to pro tools. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 14:50:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA86E3BF13; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <83B4D9BE-75A9-4CF4-983B-26E24087CFDB@mac.com> References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> <45CDBCAD.8060205@tiscali.co.uk> <30B11C4D-40FC-4B49-81CC-634B854BE794@gmail.com> <88862b7a4737debc8c887fecbae4c037@glasswing.com> <3B4B2B4B-10C8-4AEE-BEA3-9D9254292C20@mac.com> <45D05BD1.3070404@tiscali.co.uk> <83B4D9BE-75A9-4CF4-983B-26E24087CFDB@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: RC-50 wierdness Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:50:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:50:51 +0000 (UTC) all you have to do is use the grid mode and resize the loop to whatever the new tempo is. it takes about 3.4 seconds. On Feb 12, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Teddy wrote: > I do if I want to do what I'm doing. > > we played the stuff live with my RC-50 running into pro tools > now I want to fly those parts into pro tools and loop them > to do that I do need the tempo in PT to be the same. > > or? what's your idea? > > teddy > > On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:21 AM, andy butler wrote: > >> Turn off the BPM in Pro Tools, >> or ignore it. >> You don't need BPM in an audio application. >> >> >> ...but if you want accurate BPM matching, then you have to sync. >>> maybe I didn't enunciate it right. >>> I don't even want to slave the 2 together. I just want to record >>> the looped elements into pro tools again individually and have >>> them so I can mix. >>> the problem I have is that the RC-50's tempo is not what it says >>> it is, according to pro tools. >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 14:53:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E07933BF1C; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D07F64.1020608@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:53:24 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OUTI looper anyone? References: <45CD2F2E.5020301@infinivert.com> <008301c74e87$dce1b740$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> In-Reply-To: <008301c74e87$dce1b740$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000303040406090804070102" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/2556/Mon Feb 12 03:03:39 2007 on smtp-auth0.ispdone.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:53:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000303040406090804070102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cool! I'll check that one out. OUTI has going for it that it can host VSTs on each track and one on the master, it has a cool 16-step loop editor that allows you to dynamically change pitch, volume, etc., it can run at a specific tempo or sync to the first track, it features a separate granular track that looks like a lot of fun, and it has a unique approach to things like multiply,etc. But it has no overdub (!), which is really strange to me. You hit record once, and it records into the first track. The second press begins playing back the loop you've just recorded. Third press records into the second track, and so on. And there are only 4 tracks. Also, it only receives MIDI CC, which allows you to change each parameter dynamically, but seems a bit awkward for things like Record, etc. That added to the fact that you cannot differentiate by MIDI channel, means I would really have to spend some time programming my FCB 1010 to get to a usable place with this program. Anyway, I may play with it some, but it seems a far shot from SooperLooper. Oh, what I wouldn't give to have Mobius ported to Mac! In the meantime I'm having a blast playing with the (non-/live/-looping) sampler program Miration: http://www.garagecube.com/opensource/miraton/index.php --Josh Ben wrote: > It is on the list of my "to test" software but I was waiting for the > PC update to come. > The old zip was corrupted. > > I came also accross this one this weekend: > http://www.gvst.co.uk/beta.htm >> Gloop. > > Still in beta. > > Greetings, > > Ben > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et > son interface révolutionnaire. > http://fr.mail.yahoo.com > > > > --------------000303040406090804070102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cool!  I'll check that one out.

OUTI has going for it that it can host VSTs on each track and one on the master, it has a cool 16-step loop editor that allows you to dynamically change pitch, volume, etc., it can run at a specific tempo or sync to the first track, it features a separate granular track that looks like a lot of fun, and it has a unique approach to things like multiply,etc.  But it has no overdub (!), which is really strange to me.  You hit record once, and it records into the first track.  The second press begins playing back the loop you've just recorded.  Third press records into the second track, and so on.  And there are only 4 tracks.

Also, it only receives MIDI CC, which allows you to change each parameter dynamically, but seems a bit awkward for things like Record, etc.  That added to the fact that you cannot differentiate by MIDI channel, means I would really have to spend some time programming my FCB 1010 to get to a usable place with this program.

Anyway, I may play with it some, but it seems a far shot from SooperLooper.

Oh, what I wouldn't give to have Mobius ported to Mac!

In the meantime I'm having a blast playing with the (non-live-looping) sampler program Miration:

http://www.garagecube.com/opensource/miraton/index.php

--Josh


Ben wrote:
It is on the list of my "to test" software but I was waiting for the PC update to come.
The old zip was corrupted.

I came also accross this one this weekend:
http://www.gvst.co.uk/beta.htm >> Gloop.

Still in beta.

Greetings,

Ben

    

    
       
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--------------000303040406090804070102-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 14:55:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 686293BEFA; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <7916ef922e3cd3c69ff76e9840f96c57@glasswing.com> References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> <45CDBCAD.8060205@tiscali.co.uk> <30B11C4D-40FC-4B49-81CC-634B854BE794@gmail.com> <88862b7a4737debc8c887fecbae4c037@glasswing.com> <3B4B2B4B-10C8-4AEE-BEA3-9D9254292C20@mac.com> <7916ef922e3cd3c69ff76e9840f96c57@glasswing.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--288607912 Message-Id: <49038EA7-3353-415E-A9D9-818DB0979281@mac.com> From: Teddy Subject: Re: RC-50 wierdness Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:55:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:55:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--288607912 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Richard Sales wrote: >>> Hi Teddy >>> >>> I haven't done it but I've been thinking about it. I think I >>> would slave my RC 50 to MIDI Time Code from Pro Tools - or vice >>> versa. So you need some kind of time clock - if your Pro Tools >>> interface isn't generating one - to slave your system to. Then >>> all the elements SHOULD sync up nicely. >> maybe I didn't enunciate it right. >> I don't even want to slave the 2 together. I just want to record >> the looped elements into pro tools again individually and have >> them so I can mix. >> the problem I have is that the RC-50's tempo is not what it says >> it is, according to pro tools. > > Well... I haven't tried this so I don't know. Are you using Pro > Tools as a sequencer for MIDI stuff? I would just not use the > tempo function in Pro Tools if you're not using it as a sequencer. > But I might not be understanding what's going on still. > > I've never had any luck with tempos and sync without some master > clock running the show. the problem with that would be that the RC-50 was running the clock when the first thing was recorded, so how is clocking to pro tools going to lock any better? the RC-50 is clocking to itself fine, it's just that... well. ok... here's my process: 1 play awesome song with band live and loop stuff RC-50 gets recorded onto it's own mono channel in PT (I run it all out of it's own amp) I set the tempo in PT to match the RC-50's I line up the whole song so the loops recorded live start where the tempo starts and the band follows everything is fine for 8 bars or so, but then it starts drifting by the end of the song the click is an 1/8 note off from the live RC-50 part SO the main problem for me is that the RC-50's tempo is not what it says it is. my fix so far has been to play with the tempo in pro tools to try to get it to line up with my recorded RC-50 loops seems like the RC-50 is off by about .05 bpm so if my RC-50 tempo is 120 I have to set PT to 119.95 to synch with what I've recorded the reason I want to do this is because later I want to grab those parts from the RC-50 so I can get separated sounds to mix in with the amp sound. I don't want to have to record the whole song in, I just want to record 1 phrase and loop it in pro tools. If I didn't use a tempo in pro tools I wouldn't be able to loop the parts in pro tools as easily. I guess another fix could be to just play the stuff from the RC-50 how it is for the whole song and not set a tempo in pro tools and just line that up to the down beat of my recorded loops, that should be a more accurate fix actually. then I can just ignore the tempo like Andy butler suggested. >>> One problem I have with the RC 50 is even when the click or >>> rhythm track is set to go out the sub it comes out the main into >>> my guitar amp. Hummmm! Not good. >> that you can set per patch OR globally in the system menu. if you >> do it per patch you have to set in each patch. I use a 3 amp setup >> with gtr loops in one, vocal loops in another and the crappy drum >> machine through all sorts of weirdness out the mains. the drag for >> me is you can't pan the guide drums. > > I've done this and it still leaks out the main! I've done it > globally and per patch. I'm a little mystified. weird, that doesn't happen here. I will check again though. >>> Got a Fulltone Tube Tape Echo and that's been a blast. My old >>> tape Echoplex was having a near death experience so it's going >>> off to the hospital (and hopefully not the morgue) soon. Two new >>> (old) amps coming soon. Late fifties early sixties Magnatone >>> 213s. A Durham Sex Drive. New Area 51 guts for my Cry Baby. Fun >>> stuff. >> ahhhh... nice. I have 5 magnatones, they are amazing. > > Well... I have three - or will when the next two arrive. I love > the sound so much. Very thick and rich and fat. One of the last > real bargains in vintage amps. have you check out the magnatone/valco yahoo group? some very informative magnatone people on there. Teddy --Apple-Mail-6--288607912 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Feb 12, 2007, = at 7:58 AM, Richard Sales wrote:

Hi Teddy
I haven't done it but = I've been thinking about it. I think I would slave my RC 50 to MIDI Time = Code from Pro Tools - or vice versa. So you need some kind of time clock = - if your Pro Tools interface isn't generating one - to slave your = system to. Then all the elements SHOULD sync up nicely.=A0
=
maybe I didn't enunciate = it right.
I don't even want to = slave the 2 together. I just want to record the looped elements into pro = tools again individually and have them so I can mix.
the problem I have is that the RC-50's tempo is = not what it says it is, according to pro tools.
=

Well... I haven't tried this so I don't = know.=A0 Are you using Pro = Tools as a sequencer for MIDI stuff?=A0 I would just not use the = tempo function in Pro Tools if you're not using it as a sequencer.=A0 But I might not be = understanding what's going on still.=A0

I've never had any luck with tempos and sync without some master = clock running the show. =A0
<= BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder">
the problem with that would = be that the RC-50 was running the clock when the first thing was = recorded, so how is clocking to pro tools going to lock any better? the = RC-50 is clocking to itself fine, it's just that... well. ok... here's = my process:

1 = play awesome song with band live and loop stuff
RC-50=A0gets = recorded onto it's own mono channel in PT (I run it all out of it's own = amp)
I set the tempo in PT to match the RC-50's
I = line up the whole song so the loops recorded live start where the tempo = starts and the band follows
everything is fine for 8 bars or = so, but then it starts drifting
by the end of the song the = click is an 1/8 note off from the live RC-50 part

SO the main problem for me = is that the RC-50's tempo is not what it says it is.

my fix so far has been to = play with the tempo in pro tools to try to get it to line up with my = recorded RC-50 loops
seems like the RC-50 is off by about .05 = bpm
so if my RC-50 tempo is 120 I have to set PT to 119.95 to = synch with what I've recorded

the reason I want to do = this is because later I want to grab those parts from the RC-50 so I can = get separated sounds to mix in with the amp sound.
I don't = want to have to record the whole song in, I just want to record 1 phrase = and loop it in pro tools.
If I didn't use a tempo in pro tools = I wouldn't be able to loop the parts in pro tools as = easily.

I = guess another fix could be to just play the stuff from the RC-50 how it = is for the whole song and not set a tempo in pro tools and just line = that up to the down beat of my recorded loops, that should be a more = accurate fix actually. then I can just ignore the tempo like Andy butler = suggested.

=

One problem I have with the RC 50 is even when = the click or rhythm track is set to go out the sub it comes out the main = into my guitar amp. Hummmm! Not good.
that you can set per patch OR globally in the = system menu. if you do it per patch you have to set in each patch. I use = a 3 amp setup with gtr loops in one, vocal loops in another and the = crappy drum machine through all sorts of weirdness out the mains. the = drag for me is you can't pan the guide drums.
=

I've done this and it still leaks out the = main!=A0 I've done it = globally and per patch.=A0 = I'm a little mystified. =A0
<= BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder">
weird, that doesn't happen = here. I will check again though.

Got a Fulltone Tube Tape Echo and that's been a blast. My old = tape Echoplex was having a near death experience so it's going off to = the hospital (and hopefully not the morgue) soon. Two new (old) amps = coming soon. Late fifties early sixties Magnatone 213s. A Durham Sex = Drive. New Area 51 guts for my Cry Baby. Fun stuff.=A0
=
ahhhh... nice. I have 5 = magnatones, they are amazing.=A0

Well... I have three - or will when the next two arrive.=A0 I love the sound so = much.=A0 Very thick and = rich and fat.=A0 One of the = last real bargains in vintage amps.

have you check out the = magnatone/valco yahoo group? some very informative magnatone people on = there.

Teddy
= --Apple-Mail-6--288607912-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 14:56:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1FFE3BF35; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> <45CDBCAD.8060205@tiscali.co.uk> <30B11C4D-40FC-4B49-81CC-634B854BE794@gmail.com> <88862b7a4737debc8c887fecbae4c037@glasswing.com> <3B4B2B4B-10C8-4AEE-BEA3-9D9254292C20@mac.com> <45D05BD1.3070404@tiscali.co.uk> <83B4D9BE-75A9-4CF4-983B-26E24087CFDB@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8F33A219-707E-4FB0-AD32-6D3F78BE9186@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: RC-50 wierdness Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:56:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:56:56 +0000 (UTC) that won't work with what I'm doing. see my next email which explains my process a bit more in detail. thanks anyway. Teddy On Feb 12, 2007, at 9:50 AM, monk wrote: > all you have to do is use the grid mode and resize the loop to > whatever the new tempo is. it takes about 3.4 seconds. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 15:02:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 787903BF3D; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <8F33A219-707E-4FB0-AD32-6D3F78BE9186@mac.com> References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> <45CDBCAD.8060205@tiscali.co.uk> <30B11C4D-40FC-4B49-81CC-634B854BE794@gmail.com> <88862b7a4737debc8c887fecbae4c037@glasswing.com> <3B4B2B4B-10C8-4AEE-BEA3-9D9254292C20@mac.com> <45D05BD1.3070404@tiscali.co.uk> <83B4D9BE-75A9-4CF4-983B-26E24087CFDB@mac.com> <8F33A219-707E-4FB0-AD32-6D3F78BE9186@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <859C3F0F-AB9B-4DFE-91BC-4B917E828942@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: RC-50 wierdness Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:02:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:02:51 +0000 (UTC) i read the other email and it doesn't explain why it won't work. unless i'm misunderstanding. you want to take the loops you've made on the rc-50 and use them in a protools session? please clarify. On Feb 12, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Teddy wrote: > that won't work with what I'm doing. > see my next email which explains my process a bit more in detail. > > thanks anyway. > > Teddy > > On Feb 12, 2007, at 9:50 AM, monk wrote: > >> all you have to do is use the grid mode and resize the loop to >> whatever the new tempo is. it takes about 3.4 seconds. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 15:05:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69EF33BF46; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--287983493 From: Steve Lawson Subject: New YouTube Videos - Looperlative content! Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:05:44 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:05:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--287983493 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi all, great to see some of you guys at NAMM, and really sorry to those of you i didn't get to talk to for long... just uploaded a couple of videos from my clinic at Bass And Beyond in Sacramento in January - it's an amazing shop, and any of you bassist in NorCal really need to go check it out. here's Scott Peck (originally from my album Behind Every Word) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAdvWNB_2QE and here's Grace And Gratitude (from the CD of the same name) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKod4BU4SSA My set up is bass into Lexicon MPX-G2, into Looperlative, into poweramp into Accugroove Cabinets... if you click on my youtube profile, you'll see links to a load of other video of me, a couple of things from NAMM too, uploaded by the lovely Kim Flint! Enjoy, cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-3--287983493 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hi = all,=A0

great to see some of you guys at NAMM, and really = sorry to those of you i didn't get to talk to for long...=A0

just uploaded a = couple of videos from my clinic at Bass And Beyond in Sacramento in = January - it's an amazing shop, and any of you bassist in NorCal really = need to go check it out.=A0
here's Scott Peck (originally from my album = Behind Every Word)


and here's Grace And Gratitude (from the CD of the same = name)


My set up is bass into Lexicon MPX-G2, into = Looperlative, into poweramp into Accugroove = Cabinets...=A0

if you click on my youtube profile, you'll see links to a load = of other video of me, a couple of things from NAMM too, uploaded by the = lovely Kim Flint!

Enjoy,=A0

cheers!=A0

Steve
Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:07:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040708050209020605040702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to butt in. I'm not an RC 50 user, but I think I understand. You'll have to use some sort of time clock sync. Your RC 50 and your computer are using two different clocks which will, invariably, run at slightly different speeds. No clock is perfect. But if you slave one to the other, they'll be running off the same clock, and then things will line up. --Josh Teddy wrote: > > On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Richard Sales wrote: > >>>> Hi Teddy >>>> >>>> I haven't done it but I've been thinking about it. I think I would >>>> slave my RC 50 to MIDI Time Code from Pro Tools - or vice versa. So >>>> you need some kind of time clock - if your Pro Tools interface >>>> isn't generating one - to slave your system to. Then all the >>>> elements SHOULD sync up nicely. >>> maybe I didn't enunciate it right. >>> I don't even want to slave the 2 together. I just want to record the >>> looped elements into pro tools again individually and have them so I >>> can mix. >>> the problem I have is that the RC-50's tempo is not what it says it >>> is, according to pro tools. >> >> Well... I haven't tried this so I don't know. Are you using Pro >> Tools as a sequencer for MIDI stuff? I would just not use the tempo >> function in Pro Tools if you're not using it as a sequencer. But I >> might not be understanding what's going on still. >> >> I've never had any luck with tempos and sync without some master >> clock running the show. > > the problem with that would be that the RC-50 was running the clock > when the first thing was recorded, so how is clocking to pro tools > going to lock any better? the RC-50 is clocking to itself fine, it's > just that... well. ok... here's my process: > > 1 play awesome song with band live and loop stuff > RC-50 gets recorded onto it's own mono channel in PT (I run it all out > of it's own amp) > I set the tempo in PT to match the RC-50's > I line up the whole song so the loops recorded live start where the > tempo starts and the band follows > everything is fine for 8 bars or so, but then it starts drifting > by the end of the song the click is an 1/8 note off from the live > RC-50 part > > SO the main problem for me is that the RC-50's tempo is not what it > says it is. > > my fix so far has been to play with the tempo in pro tools to try to > get it to line up with my recorded RC-50 loops > seems like the RC-50 is off by about .05 bpm > so if my RC-50 tempo is 120 I have to set PT to 119.95 to synch with > what I've recorded > > the reason I want to do this is because later I want to grab those > parts from the RC-50 so I can get separated sounds to mix in with the > amp sound. > I don't want to have to record the whole song in, I just want to > record 1 phrase and loop it in pro tools. > If I didn't use a tempo in pro tools I wouldn't be able to loop the > parts in pro tools as easily. > > I guess another fix could be to just play the stuff from the RC-50 how > it is for the whole song and not set a tempo in pro tools and just > line that up to the down beat of my recorded loops, that should be a > more accurate fix actually. then I can just ignore the tempo like Andy > butler suggested. > > >>>> One problem I have with the RC 50 is even when the click or rhythm >>>> track is set to go out the sub it comes out the main into my guitar >>>> amp. Hummmm! Not good. >>> that you can set per patch OR globally in the system menu. if you do >>> it per patch you have to set in each patch. I use a 3 amp setup with >>> gtr loops in one, vocal loops in another and the crappy drum machine >>> through all sorts of weirdness out the mains. the drag for me is you >>> can't pan the guide drums. >> >> I've done this and it still leaks out the main! I've done it >> globally and per patch. I'm a little mystified. > > weird, that doesn't happen here. I will check again though. > > >>>> Got a Fulltone Tube Tape Echo and that's been a blast. My old tape >>>> Echoplex was having a near death experience so it's going off to >>>> the hospital (and hopefully not the morgue) soon. Two new (old) >>>> amps coming soon. Late fifties early sixties Magnatone 213s. A >>>> Durham Sex Drive. New Area 51 guts for my Cry Baby. Fun stuff. >>> ahhhh... nice. I have 5 magnatones, they are amazing. >> >> Well... I have three - or will when the next two arrive. I love the >> sound so much. Very thick and rich and fat. One of the last real >> bargains in vintage amps. > > have you check out the magnatone/valco yahoo group? some very > informative magnatone people on there. > > Teddy --------------040708050209020605040702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to butt in.  I'm not an RC 50 user, but I think I understand.

You'll have to use some sort of time clock sync.  Your RC 50 and your computer are using two different clocks which will, invariably, run at slightly different speeds.  No clock is perfect.  But if you slave one to the other, they'll be running off the same clock, and then things will line up.

--Josh



Teddy wrote:

On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Richard Sales wrote:

Hi Teddy

I haven't done it but I've been thinking about it. I think I would slave my RC 50 to MIDI Time Code from Pro Tools - or vice versa. So you need some kind of time clock - if your Pro Tools interface isn't generating one - to slave your system to. Then all the elements SHOULD sync up nicely. 
maybe I didn't enunciate it right.
I don't even want to slave the 2 together. I just want to record the looped elements into pro tools again individually and have them so I can mix.
the problem I have is that the RC-50's tempo is not what it says it is, according to pro tools.

Well... I haven't tried this so I don't know.  Are you using Pro Tools as a sequencer for MIDI stuff?  I would just not use the tempo function in Pro Tools if you're not using it as a sequencer.  But I might not be understanding what's going on still. 

I've never had any luck with tempos and sync without some master clock running the show.  

the problem with that would be that the RC-50 was running the clock when the first thing was recorded, so how is clocking to pro tools going to lock any better? the RC-50 is clocking to itself fine, it's just that... well. ok... here's my process:

1 play awesome song with band live and loop stuff
RC-50 gets recorded onto it's own mono channel in PT (I run it all out of it's own amp)
I set the tempo in PT to match the RC-50's
I line up the whole song so the loops recorded live start where the tempo starts and the band follows
everything is fine for 8 bars or so, but then it starts drifting
by the end of the song the click is an 1/8 note off from the live RC-50 part

SO the main problem for me is that the RC-50's tempo is not what it says it is.

my fix so far has been to play with the tempo in pro tools to try to get it to line up with my recorded RC-50 loops
seems like the RC-50 is off by about .05 bpm
so if my RC-50 tempo is 120 I have to set PT to 119.95 to synch with what I've recorded

the reason I want to do this is because later I want to grab those parts from the RC-50 so I can get separated sounds to mix in with the amp sound.
I don't want to have to record the whole song in, I just want to record 1 phrase and loop it in pro tools.
If I didn't use a tempo in pro tools I wouldn't be able to loop the parts in pro tools as easily.

I guess another fix could be to just play the stuff from the RC-50 how it is for the whole song and not set a tempo in pro tools and just line that up to the down beat of my recorded loops, that should be a more accurate fix actually. then I can just ignore the tempo like Andy butler suggested.


One problem I have with the RC 50 is even when the click or rhythm track is set to go out the sub it comes out the main into my guitar amp. Hummmm! Not good.
that you can set per patch OR globally in the system menu. if you do it per patch you have to set in each patch. I use a 3 amp setup with gtr loops in one, vocal loops in another and the crappy drum machine through all sorts of weirdness out the mains. the drag for me is you can't pan the guide drums.

I've done this and it still leaks out the main!  I've done it globally and per patch.  I'm a little mystified.  

weird, that doesn't happen here. I will check again though.


Got a Fulltone Tube Tape Echo and that's been a blast. My old tape Echoplex was having a near death experience so it's going off to the hospital (and hopefully not the morgue) soon. Two new (old) amps coming soon. Late fifties early sixties Magnatone 213s. A Durham Sex Drive. New Area 51 guts for my Cry Baby. Fun stuff. 
ahhhh... nice. I have 5 magnatones, they are amazing. 

Well... I have three - or will when the next two arrive.  I love the sound so much.  Very thick and rich and fat.  One of the last real bargains in vintage amps.

have you check out the magnatone/valco yahoo group? some very informative magnatone people on there.

Teddy
--------------040708050209020605040702-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 15:09:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D7533BF5F; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <28061.167.83.10.20.1171292984.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <2B1317FF-62B3-4B90-A51D-43F8AE4CE4E7@bernhardwagner.net> References: <3B1238A1-49B2-4270-BAB7-339A5C9E2481@gmail.com> <01AF6F3D-F155-45E3-A8B4-A590FCEBAE92@bernhardwagner.net> <45D05D1F.6060809@tiscali.co.uk> <2B1317FF-62B3-4B90-A51D-43F8AE4CE4E7@bernhardwagner.net> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:09:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: cheap two way switches From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for all teh input. I too think it's kinda cool to sing into the sound hole, and people are like, "wow!" but it is a challenge gettign a better sound that's not always so soundhole-ish. Thanks again! ~peace~ Plish > Right, also using a mic preamp (M-Audio AudioBuddy). > > On Feb 12, 2007, at 13:27 :11, andy butler wrote: > >> Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: >>> I use this inexpensive one: >>> Boss AB-2 (AB2) A/B Footswitch Selector Pedal >>> >>> Mic and guitar are going through the same signal path. >>> >>> Bernhard >>> >> ??So I guess you use a high impedance mic with good output?? >> (most mics won't match the guitar volume at all in this situation >> afaik) >> >> andybutler >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 15:10:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA2C83BF65; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:10:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <45D08290.6030408@infinivert.com> References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> <45CDBCAD.8060205@tiscali.co.uk> <30B11C4D-40FC-4B49-81CC-634B854BE794@gmail.com> <88862b7a4737debc8c887fecbae4c037@glasswing.com> <3B4B2B4B-10C8-4AEE-BEA3-9D9254292C20@mac.com> <7916ef922e3cd3c69ff76e9840f96c57@glasswing.com> <49038EA7-3353-415E-A9D9-818DB0979281@mac.com> <45D08290.6030408@infinivert.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--287671385 Message-Id: From: Teddy Subject: Re: RC-50 wierdness Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:10:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:10:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--287671385 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed not so much. then I would have to use that clock, whatever it is when I play live and I can't do that. thanks for you suggestion though teddy On Feb 12, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Joshua Carroll wrote: > Sorry to butt in. I'm not an RC 50 user, but I think I understand. > > You'll have to use some sort of time clock sync. Your RC 50 and > your computer are using two different clocks which will, > invariably, run at slightly different speeds. No clock is > perfect. But if you slave one to the other, they'll be running off > the same clock, and then things will line up. > > --Josh > > > > Teddy wrote: >> >> On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Richard Sales wrote: >> >>>>> Hi Teddy >>>>> >>>>> I haven't done it but I've been thinking about it. I think I >>>>> would slave my RC 50 to MIDI Time Code from Pro Tools - or vice >>>>> versa. So you need some kind of time clock - if your Pro Tools >>>>> interface isn't generating one - to slave your system to. Then >>>>> all the elements SHOULD sync up nicely. >>>> maybe I didn't enunciate it right. >>>> I don't even want to slave the 2 together. I just want to record >>>> the looped elements into pro tools again individually and have >>>> them so I can mix. >>>> the problem I have is that the RC-50's tempo is not what it says >>>> it is, according to pro tools. >>> >>> Well... I haven't tried this so I don't know. Are you using Pro >>> Tools as a sequencer for MIDI stuff? I would just not use the >>> tempo function in Pro Tools if you're not using it as a >>> sequencer. But I might not be understanding what's going on still. >>> >>> I've never had any luck with tempos and sync without some master >>> clock running the show. >> >> the problem with that would be that the RC-50 was running the >> clock when the first thing was recorded, so how is clocking to pro >> tools going to lock any better? the RC-50 is clocking to itself >> fine, it's just that... well. ok... here's my process: >> >> 1 play awesome song with band live and loop stuff >> RC-50 gets recorded onto it's own mono channel in PT (I run it all >> out of it's own amp) >> I set the tempo in PT to match the RC-50's >> I line up the whole song so the loops recorded live start where >> the tempo starts and the band follows >> everything is fine for 8 bars or so, but then it starts drifting >> by the end of the song the click is an 1/8 note off from the live >> RC-50 part >> >> SO the main problem for me is that the RC-50's tempo is not what >> it says it is. >> >> my fix so far has been to play with the tempo in pro tools to try >> to get it to line up with my recorded RC-50 loops >> seems like the RC-50 is off by about .05 bpm >> so if my RC-50 tempo is 120 I have to set PT to 119.95 to synch >> with what I've recorded >> >> the reason I want to do this is because later I want to grab those >> parts from the RC-50 so I can get separated sounds to mix in with >> the amp sound. >> I don't want to have to record the whole song in, I just want to >> record 1 phrase and loop it in pro tools. >> If I didn't use a tempo in pro tools I wouldn't be able to loop >> the parts in pro tools as easily. >> >> I guess another fix could be to just play the stuff from the RC-50 >> how it is for the whole song and not set a tempo in pro tools and >> just line that up to the down beat of my recorded loops, that >> should be a more accurate fix actually. then I can just ignore the >> tempo like Andy butler suggested. >> >> >>>>> One problem I have with the RC 50 is even when the click or >>>>> rhythm track is set to go out the sub it comes out the main >>>>> into my guitar amp. Hummmm! Not good. >>>> that you can set per patch OR globally in the system menu. if >>>> you do it per patch you have to set in each patch. I use a 3 amp >>>> setup with gtr loops in one, vocal loops in another and the >>>> crappy drum machine through all sorts of weirdness out the >>>> mains. the drag for me is you can't pan the guide drums. >>> >>> I've done this and it still leaks out the main! I've done it >>> globally and per patch. I'm a little mystified. >> >> weird, that doesn't happen here. I will check again though. >> >> >>>>> Got a Fulltone Tube Tape Echo and that's been a blast. My old >>>>> tape Echoplex was having a near death experience so it's going >>>>> off to the hospital (and hopefully not the morgue) soon. Two >>>>> new (old) amps coming soon. Late fifties early sixties >>>>> Magnatone 213s. A Durham Sex Drive. New Area 51 guts for my Cry >>>>> Baby. Fun stuff. >>>> ahhhh... nice. I have 5 magnatones, they are amazing. >>> >>> Well... I have three - or will when the next two arrive. I love >>> the sound so much. Very thick and rich and fat. One of the last >>> real bargains in vintage amps. >> >> have you check out the magnatone/valco yahoo group? some very >> informative magnatone people on there. >> >> Teddy --Apple-Mail-8--287671385 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 not so much. then I would have = to use that clock, whatever it is when I play live and I can't do = that.

thanks for = you suggestion though

teddy


On Feb 12, = 2007, at 10:06 AM, Joshua Carroll wrote:

Sorry to = butt in.=A0 I'm not an RC 50 user, but I think I understand.

= You'll have to use some sort of time clock sync.=A0 Your RC 50 and your = computer are using two different clocks which will, invariably, run at = slightly different speeds.=A0 No clock is perfect.=A0 But if you slave = one to the other, they'll be running off the same clock, and then things = will line up.

--Josh



Teddy wrote: =

On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Richard = Sales wrote:

=
=
Hi Teddy

=
I haven't done = it but I've been thinking about it. I think I would slave my RC 50 to = MIDI Time Code from Pro Tools - or vice versa. So you need some kind of = time clock - if your Pro Tools interface isn't generating one - to slave = your system to. Then all the elements SHOULD sync up nicely.=A0
=
maybe I didn't = enunciate it right.
I don't even want to slave the 2 together. I just want to = record the looped elements into pro tools again individually and have = them so I can mix.
the problem I have is that the RC-50's tempo is not what it = says it is, according to pro tools.
=

Well... I haven't tried this so I don't know.=A0 Are you using Pro Tools as a = sequencer for MIDI stuff?=A0 = I would just not use the tempo function in Pro Tools if you're = not using it as a sequencer.=A0 = But I might not be understanding what's going on still.=A0

I've never had any luck with tempos and sync without some = master clock running the show. =A0
=

the problem with = that would be that the RC-50 was running the clock when the first thing = was recorded, so how is clocking to pro tools going to lock any better? = the RC-50 is clocking to itself fine, it's just that... well. ok... = here's my process:

=
1 play awesome song with band live and loop stuff
=
RC-50=A0gets recorded onto it's own mono channel in PT (I run it = all out of it's own amp)
I set the tempo in PT to match the = RC-50's
I line up the whole song so the loops recorded live = start where the tempo starts and the band follows
everything = is fine for 8 bars or so, but then it starts drifting
by the = end of the song the click is an 1/8 note off from the live RC-50 = part

SO = the main problem for me is that the RC-50's tempo is not what it says it = is.

my = fix so far has been to play with the tempo in pro tools to try to get it = to line up with my recorded RC-50 loops
seems like the RC-50 = is off by about .05 bpm
so if my RC-50 tempo is 120 I have = to set PT to 119.95 to synch with what I've recorded

the reason I want to do = this is because later I want to grab those parts from the RC-50 so I can = get separated sounds to mix in with the amp sound.
I don't = want to have to record the whole song in, I just want to record 1 phrase = and loop it in pro tools.
If I didn't use a tempo in pro = tools I wouldn't be able to loop the parts in pro tools as easily.
=

I guess = another fix could be to just play the stuff from the RC-50 how it is for = the whole song and not set a tempo in pro tools and just line that up to = the down beat of my recorded loops, that should be a more accurate fix = actually. then I can just ignore the tempo like Andy butler = suggested.

=

=
=
One problem I have with the RC 50 is even when the click or = rhythm track is set to go out the sub it comes out the main into my = guitar amp. Hummmm! Not good.
that you can = set per patch OR globally in the system menu. if you do it per patch you = have to set in each patch. I use a 3 amp setup with gtr loops in one, = vocal loops in another and the crappy drum machine through all sorts of = weirdness out the mains. the drag for me is you can't pan the guide = drums.

=
I've done this = and it still leaks out the main!=A0 = I've done it globally and per patch.=A0 I'm a little mystified. =A0
=

weird, that doesn't = happen here. I will check again though.


=
=
Got a Fulltone Tube Tape Echo and that's been a blast. My old = tape Echoplex was having a near death experience so it's going off to = the hospital (and hopefully not the morgue) soon. Two new (old) amps = coming soon. Late fifties early sixties Magnatone 213s. A Durham Sex = Drive. New Area 51 guts for my Cry Baby. Fun stuff.=A0
=
ahhhh... nice. = I have 5 magnatones, they are amazing.=A0
=

Well... I have three - or will when the next two arrive.=A0 I love the sound so = much.=A0 Very thick and = rich and fat.=A0 One of the = last real bargains in vintage amps.
=

have you check out = the magnatone/valco yahoo group? some very informative magnatone people = on there.

=
Teddy
=




= --Apple-Mail-8--287671385-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 15:12:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E1363BF06; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <859C3F0F-AB9B-4DFE-91BC-4B917E828942@fuse.net> References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> <45CDBCAD.8060205@tiscali.co.uk> <30B11C4D-40FC-4B49-81CC-634B854BE794@gmail.com> <88862b7a4737debc8c887fecbae4c037@glasswing.com> <3B4B2B4B-10C8-4AEE-BEA3-9D9254292C20@mac.com> <45D05BD1.3070404@tiscali.co.uk> <83B4D9BE-75A9-4CF4-983B-26E24087CFDB@mac.com> <8F33A219-707E-4FB0-AD32-6D3F78BE9186@mac.com> <859C3F0F-AB9B-4DFE-91BC-4B917E828942@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <11AC0539-ADC3-403C-A711-B73D667A76B1@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: RC-50 wierdness Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:12:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:12:12 +0000 (UTC) yes, but... along with the SAME loops that were recorded live through an amp. I'm a pro tools guru, if it were only recording the loops into PT and synching it with tempo I would have been done in 3.4 seconds like you said. what I've done is recorded a song live with the rc-50 running through an amp. it's a performance that I don't want to change, just help it out a little. so, to help out the sound of it I want to re-record the RC-50 loops back into pt. then I have to sync those with the (same) loops that were recorded already. do you see what I'm doing now? am I explaining it enough? I think the only REAL way is to record the loops back into my live session after the fact for the whole song duration and ignore PT's tempo. kind of sucks though cause then if I want to loop other stuff in PT I have no tempo sync thanks for your help teddy On Feb 12, 2007, at 10:02 AM, monk wrote: > i read the other email and it doesn't explain why it won't work. > unless i'm misunderstanding. you want to take the loops you've made > on the rc-50 and use them in a protools session? please clarify. > > > On Feb 12, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Teddy wrote: > >> that won't work with what I'm doing. >> see my next email which explains my process a bit more in detail. >> >> thanks anyway. >> >> Teddy >> >> On Feb 12, 2007, at 9:50 AM, monk wrote: >> >>> all you have to do is use the grid mode and resize the loop to >>> whatever the new tempo is. it takes about 3.4 seconds. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 15:21:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15E333BF0A; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:21:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:21:55 EST Subject: rc2 multiplied by...? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c65.c7fe0b5.3301e013_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:21:59 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c65.c7fe0b5.3301e013_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have been recently using and enjoying the simple little rc2. i think for what it is, it works very well. it feels very natural and the action of the pedal i find quite smooth. mostly what i have used it for are small gigs where i don't want to haul in my bigger gear.... one of the most basic things i like to do in performance is a simple percussive guitar-strings-muted loop of a bar or two and then record a chord progression that strteches out over more than two bars over which to improvise..... obviously that's what the rc-50 is for or the echoplex, both of which i have. but in these smaller situations, it would be nice to have the ability to do what i'm describing above. does anyone know if you can somehow link a couple of the rc-2's together or maybe the question is......what is the smallest piece that can accomplish this? a related question might be what is the smallest midi pedal that can control the echoplex? or maybe....how big is that new boomerang supposed to be? john --part1_c65.c7fe0b5.3301e013_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have been recently using and enjoy= ing the simple little rc2.  i
think for what it is, it works very well. it feels very natural and
the action of the pedal i find quite smooth.  mostly what i have used<= BR> it for are small gigs where i don't want to haul in my bigger gear....

one of the most basic things i like to do in performance is a simple
percussive guitar-strings-muted loop of  a bar or two and then record<= BR> a chord progression that strteches out over more than two bars over
which to improvise.....

obviously that's what the rc-50 is for or the echoplex, both of which
i have.  but in these smaller situations, it would be nice to have
the ability to do what i'm describing above.

does anyone know if you can somehow link a couple of the rc-2's
together or maybe the question is......what is the smallest piece
that can accomplish this?

a related question might be what is the smallest midi pedal that can
control the echoplex?

or maybe....how big is that new boomerang supposed to be?

john
--part1_c65.c7fe0b5.3301e013_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 15:22:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6ED963BF1E; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:22:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <11AC0539-ADC3-403C-A711-B73D667A76B1@mac.com> References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> <45CDBCAD.8060205@tiscali.co.uk> <30B11C4D-40FC-4B49-81CC-634B854BE794@gmail.com> <88862b7a4737debc8c887fecbae4c037@glasswing.com> <3B4B2B4B-10C8-4AEE-BEA3-9D9254292C20@mac.com> <45D05BD1.3070404@tiscali.co.uk> <83B4D9BE-75A9-4CF4-983B-26E24087CFDB@mac.com> <8F33A219-707E-4FB0-AD32-6D3F78BE9186@mac.com> <859C3F0F-AB9B-4DFE-91BC-4B917E828942@fuse.net> <11AC0539-ADC3-403C-A711-B73D667A76B1@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <197EC0ED-987D-4852-A02A-DE6B93A60EB4@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: RC-50 wierdness Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:22:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:22:20 +0000 (UTC) can you clock protools (only now, not live) to the rc-50 just to get the existing loops in? also, i don't know if i'd call myself a protools guru, but they have asked me on a couple of occasions to be a beta tester for them.. you might want to re-clock your protools so that the tempo's line up. but really, if you know about digital recording, then you know that there is absolutely no way that you can get any two digital devices to agree on any tempo without being clocked together. it seems kind of unrealistic, again, unless i'm misunderstanding. when you say "recorded a song live" does that mean with a whole band/ other tracks? or just your loops? were the units clocked together when recording? why not adjust the tempo in protools down .5 bpm (or whatever..) to get it to match? On Feb 12, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Teddy wrote: > yes, but... along with the SAME loops that were recorded live > through an amp. > > I'm a pro tools guru, if it were only recording the loops into PT > and synching it with tempo I would have been done in 3.4 seconds > like you said. > > what I've done is recorded a song live with the rc-50 running > through an amp. > it's a performance that I don't want to change, just help it out a > little. > so, to help out the sound of it I want to re-record the RC-50 loops > back into pt. > then I have to sync those with the (same) loops that were recorded > already. > > do you see what I'm doing now? am I explaining it enough? > > I think the only REAL way is to record the loops back into my live > session after the fact for the whole song duration and ignore PT's > tempo. > kind of sucks though cause then if I want to loop other stuff in PT > I have no tempo sync > > thanks for your help > > teddy > > On Feb 12, 2007, at 10:02 AM, monk wrote: > >> i read the other email and it doesn't explain why it won't work. >> unless i'm misunderstanding. you want to take the loops you've >> made on the rc-50 and use them in a protools session? please clarify. >> >> >> On Feb 12, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Teddy wrote: >> >>> that won't work with what I'm doing. >>> see my next email which explains my process a bit more in detail. >>> >>> thanks anyway. >>> >>> Teddy >>> >>> On Feb 12, 2007, at 9:50 AM, monk wrote: >>> >>>> all you have to do is use the grid mode and resize the loop to >>>> whatever the new tempo is. it takes about 3.4 seconds. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 15:23:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A67F3BF47; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qeU67DXQY7rG7duBch2p9WruDsYEkyKnF0ysyNB7P2c0aC7MljVGl16ii2y6cQlQMCsdY0MNtNJ0kW1LwuZaXUWQ74OP/TvjQexK9CBGhTwYc9rd8//SGD6S6KhWevlfnAmO6zlaXUCSL0Zl1QYd6OanbK73RSS/zmqvwZrLub8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:23:09 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 wierdness In-Reply-To: <11AC0539-ADC3-403C-A711-B73D667A76B1@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_68803_29507118.1171293789751" References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <88862b7a4737debc8c887fecbae4c037@glasswing.com> <3B4B2B4B-10C8-4AEE-BEA3-9D9254292C20@mac.com> <45D05BD1.3070404@tiscali.co.uk> <83B4D9BE-75A9-4CF4-983B-26E24087CFDB@mac.com> <8F33A219-707E-4FB0-AD32-6D3F78BE9186@mac.com> <859C3F0F-AB9B-4DFE-91BC-4B917E828942@fuse.net> <11AC0539-ADC3-403C-A711-B73D667A76B1@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:23:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_68803_29507118.1171293789751 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If I'm reading your previous posts correctly, you're getting your value for the RC-50 loop tempo by looking at the RC-50 display, and then entering that value into PT, correct? And that the RC-50 loop tempo is set by you at the gig via tap tempo? My guess that the RC-50 is rounding off the BPM value on the display. I know the EDP does this, so that one loop might show as being "4.0" seconds long, but after a quantized multiply for two cycles, it's "8.1" seconds. The accuracy of the actual clock is greater than the front panel display. If you are indeed setting your live loop tempo via tap tempo then I don't think it's possible to get a BPM value accurate enough for post-production work in ProTools. You'll either have to do some hand tweaking in ProTools, or play to a master clock on the gig. TravisH On 2/12/07, Teddy wrote: > > yes, but... along with the SAME loops that were recorded live through > an amp. > > I'm a pro tools guru, if it were only recording the loops into PT and > synching it with tempo I would have been done in 3.4 seconds like you > said. > > what I've done is recorded a song live with the rc-50 running through > an amp. > it's a performance that I don't want to change, just help it out a > little. > so, to help out the sound of it I want to re-record the RC-50 loops > back into pt. > then I have to sync those with the (same) loops that were recorded > already. > > do you see what I'm doing now? am I explaining it enough? > > ------=_Part_68803_29507118.1171293789751 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If I'm reading your previous posts correctly, you're getting your value for the RC-50 loop tempo by looking at the RC-50 display, and then entering that value into PT, correct?  And that the RC-50 loop tempo is set by you at the gig via tap tempo?

My guess that the RC-50 is rounding off the BPM value on the display.  I know the EDP does this, so that one loop might show as being "4.0" seconds long, but after a quantized multiply for two cycles, it's " 8.1" seconds.  The accuracy of the actual clock is greater than the front panel display. 

If you are indeed setting your live loop tempo via tap tempo then I don't think it's possible to get a BPM value accurate enough for post-production work in ProTools.  You'll either have to do some hand tweaking in ProTools, or play to a master clock on the gig.

TravisH

On 2/12/07, Teddy <teddybutter@mac.com> wrote:
yes, but... along with the SAME loops that were recorded live through
an amp.

I'm a pro tools guru, if it were only recording the loops into PT and
synching it with tempo I would have been done in 3.4 seconds like you
said.

what I've done is recorded a song live with the rc-50 running through
an amp.
it's a performance that I don't want to change, just help it out a
little.
so, to help out the sound of it I want to re-record the RC-50 loops
back into pt.
then I have to sync those with the (same) loops that were recorded
already.

do you see what I'm doing now? am I explaining it enough?


------=_Part_68803_29507118.1171293789751-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 15:36:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57DA03BF1B; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D08975.2080702@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:36:21 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: early live looping memory References: <939470.62928.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <939470.62928.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Brian Kupferschmid wrote: > I also messed with the internals and did crank it up to about 8 > seconds, but the resolution got very dodgy (BTW, anyone have an idea > on how to fix that?) Well, if you didn't add some memory, to crank it up to 8 seconds, that means you turned down the sampling rate to roughly a fourth of its original setting, probably without changing the filter which would prevent frequencies of more than half the sampling rate to cut through... I bet you got a lot of aliasing. You could try to filter the sound before you feed it in... Sounds dull, but probably much better still... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 15:43:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A1753BF2B; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <197EC0ED-987D-4852-A02A-DE6B93A60EB4@fuse.net> References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45CD055F.9070404@servingpeace.com> <45CDBCAD.8060205@tiscali.co.uk> <30B11C4D-40FC-4B49-81CC-634B854BE794@gmail.com> <88862b7a4737debc8c887fecbae4c037@glasswing.com> <3B4B2B4B-10C8-4AEE-BEA3-9D9254292C20@mac.com> <45D05BD1.3070404@tiscali.co.uk> <83B4D9BE-75A9-4CF4-983B-26E24087CFDB@mac.com> <8F33A219-707E-4FB0-AD32-6D3F78BE9186@mac.com> <859C3F0F-AB9B-4DFE-91BC-4B917E828942@fuse.net> <11AC0539-ADC3-403C-A711-B73D667A76B1@mac.com> <197EC0ED-987D-4852-A02A-DE6B93A60EB4@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: RC-50 wierdness Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:43:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:43:42 +0000 (UTC) ya, I am an arrogant SOB about my pro tools skills, true... cool that they asked you to beta, I wouldn't have enough time for that, although it sounds fun. from what I've read here the RC-50 is not a fan of clocking to other devices so I haven't even gone down that road. I guess I should try at least clocking PT to the RC-50 and see what happens. as I said in my previous email, my fix so far has been to make PT's tempo 119.95 when the RC-50 is at 120, and so far that's ok. thanks for the help. Teddy On Feb 12, 2007, at 10:22 AM, monk wrote: > can you clock protools (only now, not live) to the rc-50 just to > get the existing loops in? > > also, i don't know if i'd call myself a protools guru, but they > have asked me on a couple of occasions to be a beta tester for > them.. you might want to re-clock your protools so that the > tempo's line up. but really, if you know about digital recording, > then you know that there is absolutely no way that you can get any > two digital devices to agree on any tempo without being clocked > together. it seems kind of unrealistic, again, unless i'm > misunderstanding. > > when you say "recorded a song live" does that mean with a whole > band/other tracks? or just your loops? were the units clocked > together when recording? why not adjust the tempo in protools down . > 5 bpm (or whatever..) to get it to match? > > > > On Feb 12, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Teddy wrote: > >> yes, but... along with the SAME loops that were recorded live >> through an amp. >> >> I'm a pro tools guru, if it were only recording the loops into PT >> and synching it with tempo I would have been done in 3.4 seconds >> like you said. >> >> what I've done is recorded a song live with the rc-50 running >> through an amp. >> it's a performance that I don't want to change, just help it out a >> little. >> so, to help out the sound of it I want to re-record the RC-50 >> loops back into pt. >> then I have to sync those with the (same) loops that were recorded >> already. >> >> do you see what I'm doing now? am I explaining it enough? >> >> I think the only REAL way is to record the loops back into my live >> session after the fact for the whole song duration and ignore PT's >> tempo. >> kind of sucks though cause then if I want to loop other stuff in >> PT I have no tempo sync >> >> thanks for your help >> >> teddy >> >> On Feb 12, 2007, at 10:02 AM, monk wrote: >> >>> i read the other email and it doesn't explain why it won't work. >>> unless i'm misunderstanding. you want to take the loops you've >>> made on the rc-50 and use them in a protools session? please >>> clarify. >>> >>> >>> On Feb 12, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Teddy wrote: >>> >>>> that won't work with what I'm doing. >>>> see my next email which explains my process a bit more in detail. >>>> >>>> thanks anyway. >>>> >>>> Teddy >>>> >>>> On Feb 12, 2007, at 9:50 AM, monk wrote: >>>> >>>>> all you have to do is use the grid mode and resize the loop to >>>>> whatever the new tempo is. it takes about 3.4 seconds. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 16:20:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C7273BEFE; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=E3RxSpAh8SqvNblz5vamhD6Jr1NU+3i/wmb/yFiQ4Ss6F7RfAQMSPBkVEqkiYOl3csUCi0akinHlBumpQuqoPV8f1LOMIHHD+YA+8rTj5qyY3vfN9LMvayYq/QBSREYV8yzxbwbOFz5NZXA7IEtmuPw8A6h4AmQWb2cL1dMwEro=; X-YMail-OSG: hmFGMnkVM1khvcVi0lId7tFFevjPBmwIGlD5qmiBgnBpOCIBQAODSN86VyJA1p5hyYWJ8E5U9K6C6KRgWy9KgY7EdGvBcgBbRY..oeF1CnufEV1tvPDAzdXeMhFNGkLCd1wEBD2841PRjbY- Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:20:05 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: rc2 multiplied by...? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <698600.43653.qm@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:20:08 +0000 (UTC) you might be able to do this with a second RC-2, but you can't sync them up, it would definitely require good timing on your part. You could use the first one in the series to record your short term loop, then use the second one as the multipier. I thought about getting a second RC-2, tunning one before my effects, so I can mess with the sound of it via modulation effecs and filtering, and then, one after, so I can loop the end result of it, and any other playing I might do. Just a thought. Bri --- Jfloridis@aol.com wrote: > i have been recently using and enjoying the simple > little rc2. i > think for what it is, it works very well. it feels > very natural and > the action of the pedal i find quite smooth. > mostly what i have used > it for are small gigs where i don't want to haul in > my bigger gear.... > > one of the most basic things i like to do in > performance is a simple > percussive guitar-strings-muted loop of a bar or > two and then record > a chord progression that strteches out over more > than two bars over > which to improvise..... > > obviously that's what the rc-50 is for or the > echoplex, both of which > i have. but in these smaller situations, it would > be nice to have > the ability to do what i'm describing above. > > does anyone know if you can somehow link a couple of > the rc-2's > together or maybe the question is......what is the > smallest piece > that can accomplish this? > > a related question might be what is the smallest > midi pedal that can > control the echoplex? > > or maybe....how big is that new boomerang supposed > to be? > > john > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 16:49:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33F9D3BF13; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:49:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:46:31 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: New YouTube Videos - Looperlative content! X-Originating-IP: [24.75.32.250] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <709444.4290371171298791591.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:49:16 +0000 (UTC) Very nice Steve! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 19:05:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 705D53BF07; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:05:37 -0600 From: "Sandy Rowles" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: edp upgrade MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_92576_19307926.1171307137057" Resent-Message-ID: <2eN0zB.A.NjF.BqL0FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:05:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_92576_19307926.1171307137057 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i got my loop4 upgrade a few days ago and i dont think its working properly. i have been using the fcb1010 with my older version for a while with no problems. now i have it set up pretty much the same but im not getting the right results. when i turn the edp on and press record on the edp, it does what its supposed to.when i press record with the fcb1010 it records, plays back once, and then nothing. whats even more weird is that after pressing record with the fcb1010, if i press it on the edp again, it will record, play back once, and then nothing again. my record button is programmed to midi note 38 on the fcb and the control source in the edp is 36 just like before. anyone got any ideas? i have a show soon and need to work this out quick. ------=_Part_92576_19307926.1171307137057 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i got my loop4 upgrade a few days ago and i dont think its working properly. i have been using the fcb1010 with my older version for a while with no problems. now i have it set up pretty much the same but im not getting the right results. when i turn the edp on and press record on the edp, it does what its supposed to.when i press record with the fcb1010 it records, plays back once, and then nothing. whats even more weird is that after pressing record with the fcb1010, if i press it on the edp again, it will record, play back once, and then nothing again. my record button is programmed to midi note 38 on the fcb and the control source in the edp is 36 just like before. anyone got any ideas? i have a show soon and need to work this out quick.
------=_Part_92576_19307926.1171307137057-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 20:55:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43DA93BEEA; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <015c01c74ee8$14701f20$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: Subject: gig spam norway Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:55:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0159_01C74EF0.75BD5B50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:55:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0159_01C74EF0.75BD5B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a real quick one to say that I will be improvising (with guests) my = piece "Everything there is really" over the course of two nights @ = "Sound of Mu" - Oslo Norway.=20 This thursday I shall do the first 2 parts Humans and Nature, and on = 26th I will perform the second half, comprising Mathematics and Outer = Space.=20 Here's the blurb http://underskog.no/kalender/15464/forestilling/18285 http://underskog.no/kalender/15465/forestilling/18286 sorry for the spanish inquisition... I mean spam... m mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com He writes for www.furthernoise.org=20 and works at www.transformlearning.com i Tunes: BUY MY MUSIC AT http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewArtist?id=3D1843107= 47 thank-you -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 7138 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------=_NextPart_000_0159_01C74EF0.75BD5B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0159_01C74EF0.75BD5B50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 20:59:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7846E3BF04; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp upgrade Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:58:59 +0000 Message-Id: <021220072058.23577.45D0D5130009F61900005C192215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23577_1171313939_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:59:03 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23577_1171313939_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Check the SamplerStyle settings. It might be set to play just one time. MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Sandy Rowles" i got my loop4 upgrade a few days ago and i dont think its working properly. i have been using the fcb1010 with my older version for a while with no problems. now i have it set up pretty much the same but im not getting the right results. when i turn the edp on and press record on the edp, it does what its supposed to.when i press record with the fcb1010 it records, plays back once, and then nothing. whats even more weird is that after pressing record with the fcb1010, if i press it on the edp again, it will record, play back once, and then nothing again. my record button is programmed to midi note 38 on the fcb and the control source in the edp is 36 just like before. anyone got any ideas? i have a show soon and need to work this out quick. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23577_1171313939_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Check the SamplerStyle settings. It might be set to play just one time.
 
MFC
 
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From: "Sandy Rowles" <sandy@pajiba.com>
i got my loop4 upgrade a few days ago and i dont think its working properly. i have been using the fcb1010 with my older version for a while with no problems. now i have it set up pretty much the same but im not getting the right results. when i turn the edp on and press record on the edp, it does what its supposed to.when i press record with the fcb1010 it records, plays back once, and then nothing. whats even more weird is that after pressing record with the fcb1010, if i press it on the edp again, it will record, play back once, and then nothing again. my record button is programmed to midi note 38 on the fcb and the control source in the edp is 36 just like before. anyone got any ideas? i have a show soon and need to work this out quick.
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23577_1171313939_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 21:44:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D60973BEFC; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAOdu0EXUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACOVwEBBw4HBh2SDgEBAYEU Message-ID: <45D0DE87.1050502@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:39:19 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp upgrade References: <021220072058.23577.45D0D5130009F61900005C192215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <021220072058.23577.45D0D5130009F61900005C192215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Well, make sure you factory reset the edp. Hold the parameter button while powering up, (if I remember correctly) andybutler > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Sandy Rowles" > i got my loop4 upgrade a few days ago and i dont think its working > properly. i have been using the fcb1010 with my older version for a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 00:49:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E40C53BF04; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <88862b7a4737debc8c887fecbae4c037@glasswing.com> <3B4B2B4B-10C8-4AEE-BEA3-9D9254292C20@mac.com> <45D05BD1.3070404@tiscali.co.uk> <83B4D9BE-75A9-4CF4-983B-26E24087CFDB@mac.com> <8F33A219-707E-4FB0-AD32-6D3F78BE9186@mac.com> <859C3F0F-AB9B-4DFE-91BC-4B917E828942@fuse.net> <11AC0539-ADC3-403C-A711-B73D667A76B1@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-16--252963454 Message-Id: <40829B4F-3E4D-4777-91AE-C8047965BD56@mac.com> From: Teddy Subject: Re: RC-50 weirdness: conclusion Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:49:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: <6I-2x.A.5N.SsQ0FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:49:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-16--252963454 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thanks to everyone who made suggestions on this topic. I did an RC-50 experiment tonight. track 1 2 bar loop of the guide in the RC-50 and looped it in pro tools. track 2 I recorded a 10 minute segment of the guide in the RC-50 without sending midi clock to it it did the same thing it has always done, won't sync to PT's click. so the theory of the approximate tap tempo is debunked. apparently the RC-50 doesn't care if you use the knob or tap, it's going to mess it up the same amount. track 3 recorded a 10 minute segment of the guide with midi beat clock into the RC-50 from pro tools the guide was 1600 samples behind pro tools click, so I put a delay on PT's click. it seemed to shift somewhere between 1600 samples an 1400 samples behind PT. track 4 re-recorded the guide for 10 minutes and lined it up to the previously recorded guide. THAT worked perfectly !!!!!!! SO.... in conclusion, to answer my own question: The RC-50 has a mind of it's own and if you want to re-record things in later from it, better to just play it in for the duration of the song. OR the RC-50's tempo display is off/slow by about .05 bpm at 120 bpm. Teddy --Apple-Mail-16--252963454 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Thanks to everyone who made = suggestions on this topic.

I did an RC-50 experiment = tonight.

track = 1
2 bar loop of the guide in the RC-50 and looped it in pro = tools.

track = 2
I recorded a 10 minute segment of the guide in the RC-50 = without sending midi clock to it

it did the same thing it = has always done, won't sync to PT's click. so the theory of the = approximate tap tempo is debunked. apparently the RC-50 doesn't care if = you use the knob or tap, it's going to mess it up the same = amount.

track = 3
recorded a 10 minute segment of the guide with midi beat = clock into the RC-50 from pro tools
the guide was 1600 samples = behind pro tools click, so I put a delay on PT's click. it seemed to = shift somewhere between 1600 samples an 1400 samples behind = PT.

track = 4
re-recorded the guide for 10 minutes and lined it up to the = previously recorded guide. THAT worked perfectly !!!!!!!


SO.... in conclusion, to = answer my own question:
The RC-50 has a mind of it's own and = if you want to re-record things in later from it, better to just play it = in for the duration of the song. OR the RC-50's tempo display is = off/slow by about .05 bpm at 120 bpm.

Teddy


= --Apple-Mail-16--252963454-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 00:49:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09C573BF10; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:49:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Ve/nFfblGMx3QE6X/tlsS8BKeCeHTa0qEUJTiCeIFsop+SizQI9nqNr09uuAoO3om4L1VZUIBxO/zDIEY+B8rDKgQhy1nO7fLpQWGyGkSE3EvmgkYSIjJzX6Y3IJQJW82nlynLYLaou1jDcHfQgqfsRIlR69aNBTjackucHgAOA=; X-YMail-OSG: Lb0p7C0VM1nnSOM6WI.UvObXcny1Poz5m4CPPP4SlD4MmXBQDvM.MFkzbPMI3lo1F2pMi_pItB9JJrLWmp6NJDNKfbB.pIE9SkLJ9sElB9zAfCz90HeF2VmVjNvERukAryoC2WTlfOTqS.c- Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:48:59 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: messages/attachments To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <398472.62862.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:49:32 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Does this group not accept messages with attachments? I've tried to send an mp3 of 'name that chord" muzik but it doesn't seem to make it through the system. Thanx Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 00:58:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7FB13BF06; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:58:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <40829B4F-3E4D-4777-91AE-C8047965BD56@mac.com> References: <962704.21592.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <88862b7a4737debc8c887fecbae4c037@glasswing.com> <3B4B2B4B-10C8-4AEE-BEA3-9D9254292C20@mac.com> <45D05BD1.3070404@tiscali.co.uk> <83B4D9BE-75A9-4CF4-983B-26E24087CFDB@mac.com> <8F33A219-707E-4FB0-AD32-6D3F78BE9186@mac.com> <859C3F0F-AB9B-4DFE-91BC-4B917E828942@fuse.net> <11AC0539-ADC3-403C-A711-B73D667A76B1@mac.com> <40829B4F-3E4D-4777-91AE-C8047965BD56@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-17--252409351 Message-Id: From: Teddy Subject: Re: RC-50 weirdness: conclusion Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:58:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: <6v1sMB.A.9t.B1Q0FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:58:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-17--252409351 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed also, I talked to Roland US tech support tonight. They are aware of this problem and have voiced it to Japan but get no response. bummer. it's such an awesome box for looping, and they advertise it as being able to sync with rest of the band. I hope they fix it soon. Maybe they haven't sold enough of them to care. The support guy seemed really bummed that he couldn't help. Teddy On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Teddy wrote: > Thanks to everyone who made suggestions on this topic. > > I did an RC-50 experiment tonight. > > track 1 > 2 bar loop of the guide in the RC-50 and looped it in pro tools. > > track 2 > I recorded a 10 minute segment of the guide in the RC-50 without > sending midi clock to it > > it did the same thing it has always done, won't sync to PT's click. > so the theory of the approximate tap tempo is debunked. apparently > the RC-50 doesn't care if you use the knob or tap, it's going to > mess it up the same amount. > > track 3 > recorded a 10 minute segment of the guide with midi beat clock into > the RC-50 from pro tools > the guide was 1600 samples behind pro tools click, so I put a delay > on PT's click. it seemed to shift somewhere between 1600 samples an > 1400 samples behind PT. > > track 4 > re-recorded the guide for 10 minutes and lined it up to the > previously recorded guide. THAT worked perfectly !!!!!!! > > > SO.... in conclusion, to answer my own question: > The RC-50 has a mind of it's own and if you want to re-record > things in later from it, better to just play it in for the duration > of the song. OR the RC-50's tempo display is off/slow by about .05 > bpm at 120 bpm. > > Teddy --Apple-Mail-17--252409351 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII also, I talked to Roland US tech = support tonight. They are aware of this problem and have voiced it to = Japan but get no response.

bummer. it's such an = awesome box for looping, and they advertise it as being able to sync = with rest of the band. I hope they fix it soon. Maybe they haven't sold = enough of them to care. The support guy seemed really bummed that he = couldn't help.

Teddy

On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Teddy wrote:

Thanks = to everyone who made suggestions on this topic.

I did an RC-50 experiment = tonight.

track = 1
2 bar loop of the guide in the RC-50 and looped it in pro = tools.

track = 2
I recorded a 10 minute segment of the guide in the RC-50 = without sending midi clock to it

it did the same thing it = has always done, won't sync to PT's click. so the theory of the = approximate tap tempo is debunked. apparently the RC-50 doesn't care if = you use the knob or tap, it's going to mess it up the same = amount.

track = 3
recorded a 10 minute segment of the guide with midi beat = clock into the RC-50 from pro tools
the guide was 1600 samples = behind pro tools click, so I put a delay on PT's click. it seemed to = shift somewhere between 1600 samples an 1400 samples behind = PT.

track = 4
re-recorded the guide for 10 minutes and lined it up to the = previously recorded guide. THAT worked perfectly !!!!!!!


SO.... in conclusion, to = answer my own question:
The RC-50 has a mind of it's own and = if you want to re-record things in later from it, better to just play it = in for the duration of the song. OR the RC-50's tempo display is = off/slow by about .05 bpm at 120 bpm.

Teddy




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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 09:11:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DAAA3BEFC; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ELcK7pV2A2GrNOrHG+GJSmU1qUsBEHwNRVlwggz/cNZoLU134GzNDmPPJoUnWYUNdl65B/0WXf4hR19HxOlFPJaldEaPe/HrFbB+dtrHMlhNM5dcxuHmieOn5FHmUrdzIOgkyYIWic3HUchXjB862WjXr9InaYDGkAT8qrO1tmA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <398472.62862.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <398472.62862.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6AF19213-61EA-4970-A2EC-F5C9203A509F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: messages/attachments Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:11:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8gTtwC.A.COE.VDY0FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:11:49 +0000 (UTC) On 13 feb 2007, at 01.48, bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > Does this group not accept messages with attachments? > I've tried to send an mp3 of 'name that chord" muzik > but it doesn't seem to make it through the system. > Thanx > Rig No. I've never heard of any mailing list that supports attachments. Posts are stripped from eventual attachments by the list server, I guess. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 15:35:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE2A53BF05; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 weirdness: conclusion Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:35:24 +0000 Message-Id: <021320071535.19273.45D1DABC000BD42500004B492216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19273_1171380924_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:35:26 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19273_1171380924_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've never had any luck syncing the RC-50. I did notice on the Roland website, there was a firmware update. But this was for the glitch that caused the bit of silence when going from record to play. Its still a little weird. I just always play one more cycle with the RC off beofre I hit play. Still, the fact that they posted an update causes me to hope they will continue to try to fix it. MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: Teddy also, I talked to Roland US tech support tonight. They are aware of this problem and have voiced it to Japan but get no response. bummer. it's such an awesome box for looping, and they advertise it as being able to sync with rest of the band. I hope they fix it soon. Maybe they haven't sold enough of them to care. The support guy seemed really bummed that he couldn't help. Teddy On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Teddy wrote: Thanks to everyone who made suggestions on this topic. I did an RC-50 experiment tonight. track 1 2 bar loop of the guide in the RC-50 and looped it in pro tools. track 2 I recorded a 10 minute segment of the guide in the RC-50 without sending midi clock to it it did the same thing it has always done, won't sync to PT's click. so the theory of the approximate tap tempo is debunked. apparently the RC-50 doesn't care if you use the knob or tap, it's going to mess it up the same amount. track 3 recorded a 10 minute segment of the guide with midi beat clock into the RC-50 from pro tools the guide was 1600 samples behind pro tools click, so I put a delay on PT's click. it seemed to shift somewhere between 1600 samples an 1400 samples behind PT. track 4 re-recorded the guide for 10 minutes and lined it up to the previously recorded guide. THAT worked perfectly !!!!!!! SO.... in conclusion, to answer my own question: The RC-50 has a mind of it's own and if you want to re-record things in later from it, better to just play it in for the duration of the song. OR the RC-50's tempo display is off/slow by about .05 bpm at 120 bpm. Teddy --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19273_1171380924_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I've never had any luck syncing the RC-50. I did notice on the Roland website, there was a firmware update. But this was for the glitch that caused the bit of silence when going from record to play. Its still a little weird. I just always play one more cycle with the RC off beofre I hit play. Still, the fact that they posted an update causes me to hope they will continue to try to fix it.
 
MFC
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Teddy <teddybutter@mac.com>
also, I talked to Roland US tech support tonight. They are aware of this problem and have voiced it to Japan but get no response.

bummer. it's such an awesome box for looping, and they advertise it as being able to sync with rest of the band. I hope they fix it soon. Maybe they haven't sold enough of them to care. The support guy seemed really bummed that he couldn't help.

Teddy

On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Teddy wrote:

Thanks to everyone who made suggestions on this topic.

I did an RC-50 experiment tonight.

track 1
2 bar loop of the guide in the RC-50 and looped it in pro tools.

track 2
I recorded a 10 minute segment of the guide in the RC-50 without sending midi clock to it

it did the same thing it has always done, won't sync to PT's click. so the theory of the approximate tap tempo is debunked. apparently the RC-50 doesn't care if you use the knob or tap, it's going to mess it up the same amount.

track 3
recorded a 10 minute segment of the guide with midi beat clock into the RC-50 from pro tools
the guide was 1600 samples behind pro tools click, so I put a delay on PT's click. it seemed to shift somewhere between 1600 samples an 1400 samples behind PT.

track 4
re-recorded the guide for 10 minutes and lined it up to the previously recorded guide. THAT worked perfectly !!!!!!!


SO.... in conclusion, to answer my own question:
The RC-50 has a mind of it's own and if you want to re-record things in later from it, better to just play it in for the duration of the song. OR the RC-50's tempo display is off/slow by about .05 bpm at 120 bpm.

Teddy




--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19273_1171380924_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 15:38:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2D143BF04; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=aF1VlFHqmayo/QVDuQR5uBxoc/Ew1MF6BxyQnJCwcprl/KyEg6SMHaxLEJeE2jxse3Kjb28o3mgWgEYr1fefYzC53OwdFuw0IHEjPYZTKUCwwN0LM7sKrtOKy/0/kVE7h5u5n1/cnLA74Ck3MAiAsdZZtCg5zchBAREJnALlPlI= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0702130738xb4a80a8med57f29446d97d6e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:38:34 -0600 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: for william basinski fans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_56311_2872271.1171381114329" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:38:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_56311_2872271.1171381114329 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline for william basinski fans this is really what looping is all about for me... from the mechanical aspects down to the emotional i think this is beautiful beyond what words can convey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JexYeskbRzk -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_56311_2872271.1171381114329 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline for william basinski fans

this is really what looping is all about for me...
from the mechanical aspects down to the emotional
i think this is beautiful beyond what words can convey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JexYeskbRzk



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kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_56311_2872271.1171381114329-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 15:39:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE53B3BF16; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:39:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <021320071535.19273.45D1DABC000BD42500004B492216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <021320071535.19273.45D1DABC000BD42500004B492216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-23--199585863 Message-Id: <1545B55E-3D26-49C4-B1F9-D937D17BBCE4@mac.com> From: Teddy Subject: Re: RC-50 weirdness: conclusion Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:39:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:39:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-23--199585863 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed call them once a week to complain about this stuff. If they don't hear from us it will never get fixed. squeaky wheels unite Teddy On Feb 13, 2007, at 10:35 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > I've never had any luck syncing the RC-50. I did notice on the > Roland website, there was a firmware update. But this was for the > glitch that caused the bit of silence when going from record to > play. Its still a little weird. I just always play one more cycle > with the RC off beofre I hit play. Still, the fact that they posted > an update causes me to hope they will continue to try to fix it. > > MFC > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Teddy > also, I talked to Roland US tech support tonight. They are aware of > this problem and have voiced it to Japan but get no response. > > bummer. it's such an awesome box for looping, and they advertise it > as being able to sync with rest of the band. I hope they fix it > soon. Maybe they haven't sold enough of them to care. The support > guy seemed really bummed that he couldn't help. > > Teddy > > On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Teddy wrote: > >> Thanks to everyone who made suggestions on this topic. >> >> I did an RC-50 experiment tonight. >> >> track 1 >> 2 bar loop of the guide in the RC-50 and looped it in pro tools. >> >> track 2 >> I recorded a 10 minute segment of the guide in the RC-50 without >> sending midi clock to it >> >> it did the same thing it has always done, won't sync to PT's >> click. so the theory of the approximate tap tempo is debunked. >> apparently the RC-50 doesn't care if you use the knob or tap, it's >> going to mess it up the same amount. >> >> track 3 >> recorded a 10 minute segment of the guide with midi beat clock >> into the RC-50 from pro tools >> the guide was 1600 samples behind pro tools click, so I put a >> delay on PT's click. it seemed to shift somewhere between 1600 >> samples an 1400 samples behind PT. >> >> track 4 >> re-recorded the guide for 10 minutes and lined it up to the >> previously recorded guide. THAT worked perfectly !!!!!!! >> >> >> SO.... in conclusion, to answer my own question: >> The RC-50 has a mind of it's own and if you want to re-record >> things in later from it, better to just play it in for the >> duration of the song. OR the RC-50's tempo display is off/slow by >> about .05 bpm at 120 bpm. >> >> Teddy --Apple-Mail-23--199585863 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 call them once a week to = complain about this stuff. If they don't hear from us it will never get = fixed.

squeaky = wheels unite

Teddy


On Feb 13, = 2007, at 10:35 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net<= /A> wrote:

I've never had any luck syncing the RC-50. I did = notice on the Roland website, there was a firmware update. But this was = for the glitch that caused the bit of silence when going from record to = play. Its still a little weird. I just always play one more cycle with = the RC off beofre I hit play. Still, the fact that they posted an update = causes me to hope they will continue to try to fix it.
=
=A0
MFC
=A0
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Teddy = <
teddybutter@mac.com> =
also, I talked to Roland US tech support tonight. They are aware of = this problem and have voiced it to Japan but get no response.

bummer. it's such an = awesome box for looping, and they advertise it as being able to sync = with rest of the band. I hope they fix it soon. Maybe they haven't sold = enough of them to care. The support guy seemed really bummed that he = couldn't help.

=
Teddy

On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Teddy = wrote:

Thanks to everyone who made suggestions on this = topic.

I = did an RC-50 experiment tonight.

track 1
2 bar = loop of the guide in the RC-50 and looped it in pro tools.
=

track 2
=
I recorded a 10 minute segment of the guide in the RC-50 without = sending midi clock to it

it did the same thing it = has always done, won't sync to PT's click. so the theory of the = approximate tap tempo is debunked. apparently the RC-50 doesn't care if = you use the knob or tap, it's going to mess it up the same amount.
=

track 3
=
recorded a 10 minute segment of the guide with midi beat clock into = the RC-50 from pro tools
the guide was 1600 samples behind = pro tools click, so I put a delay on PT's click. it seemed to shift = somewhere between 1600 samples an 1400 samples behind PT.

track 4
=
re-recorded the guide for 10 minutes and lined it up to the = previously recorded guide. THAT worked perfectly !!!!!!!


SO.... in conclusion, to = answer my own question:
The RC-50 has a mind of it's own and = if you want to re-record things in later from it, better to just play it = in for the duration of the song. OR the RC-50's tempo display is = off/slow by about .05 bpm at 120 bpm.

=
Teddy
<= DIV>

= --Apple-Mail-23--199585863-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 17:31:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 533693BF05; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.35] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.35} Message-ID: <20070213113104.i478ku79us884ko8@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:31:04 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 weirdness: conclusion References: <021320071535.19273.45D1DABC000BD42500004B492216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <1545B55E-3D26-49C4-B1F9-D937D17BBCE4@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <1545B55E-3D26-49C4-B1F9-D937D17BBCE4@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Regarding the use of the RC50 as a slave device I am not conviced that =20 it really syncs as a slave. It appears that when the RC50 recieves a MIDI-START message, it =20 attempts to extract the tempo from the incoming MIDI-CLOCK treating it =20 like a "tap" tempo then otherwise continue in "free run" mode. I would find the RC50 more useful it they dropped the requirement for =20 a MIDI-CLOCK signal and provided settings for "Internal" or "External" =20 sync. (Instead they have "internal" and "both"). I don't see a need =20 for "both". With External sync, the RC50 would simply sync in real =20 time with the incoming clock. Then one would start/stop the loops =20 with foot pedals or CC events (same as when using internal sync). My hunch (not knowing the software internals) is that the RC50 is =20 designed to run with its internal clock in free-run mode and doesn't =20 continuously sync with the incoming clock source. The reason I say =20 this is because when I do an accelerando or retard on the master tempo =20 the RC50 doesn't track it. It requires a MIDI start message for the =20 RC50 to sample the incoming tempo and set its internal clock to the =20 tempo that it detects. As noted, the problem with this arrangement is =20 that the tempo detection is innaccurate and it doesn't track in sync =20 with the master. Now, in all fairness, I have only tried syncing to me computer =20 (Firepod) interface and haven't tried it with other sources. However, =20 from the posts I am reading I am getting the impression that the issue =20 is with the RC50 rather than the Firepod. Incidentally, I can easily =20 sync my K2600's internal clock to the Firepod. So, my question is: Has ANYONE successfully synced the RC50 to an =20 external clock? If there is a definate "yes" then I'll go back to the =20 drawing board, though I am running out of options here. In the meantime, I am using some VST delays that are part of Cubase =20 SX3 to accomplish my looping -- I am about 5 1/2 minutes into a new =20 composition and the first in which I will incorporate live loops. The =20 info on this mailing list and on the links from this list have been =20 very valuable to me and I appreciate the contributions of one and all. -- Kevin Quoting Teddy : > call them once a week to complain about this stuff. If they don't hear > from us it will never get fixed. > > squeaky wheels unite > > Teddy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 17:33:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 127F53BF06; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.35] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.35} Message-ID: <20070213113330.9whxlssjesgg4ksk@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:33:30 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 weirdness: conclusion (typo) References: <021320071535.19273.45D1DABC000BD42500004B492216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <1545B55E-3D26-49C4-B1F9-D937D17BBCE4@mac.com> <20070213113104.i478ku79us884ko8@69.89.21.76> In-Reply-To: <20070213113104.i478ku79us884ko8@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:33:31 +0000 (UTC) arrgh... I meant to say "dropped the requirement for a MIDI-START signal" ... =20 no, I want them to read MIDI-CLOCK!!!! Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com: > Regarding the use of the RC50 as a slave device I am not conviced that > it really syncs as a slave. > > It appears that when the RC50 recieves a MIDI-START message, it > attempts to extract the tempo from the incoming MIDI-CLOCK treating it > like a "tap" tempo then otherwise continue in "free run" mode. > > I would find the RC50 more useful it they dropped the requirement for a > MIDI-CLOCK signal and provided settings for "Internal" or "External" > sync. (Instead they have "internal" and "both"). I don't see a need > for "both". With External sync, the RC50 would simply sync in real > time with the incoming clock. Then one would start/stop the loops > with foot pedals or CC events (same as when using internal sync). > > My hunch (not knowing the software internals) is that the RC50 is > designed to run with its internal clock in free-run mode and doesn't > continuously sync with the incoming clock source. The reason I say > this is because when I do an accelerando or retard on the master tempo > the RC50 doesn't track it. It requires a MIDI start message for the > RC50 to sample the incoming tempo and set its internal clock to the > tempo that it detects. As noted, the problem with this arrangement is > that the tempo detection is innaccurate and it doesn't track in sync > with the master. > > Now, in all fairness, I have only tried syncing to me computer > (Firepod) interface and haven't tried it with other sources. However, > from the posts I am reading I am getting the impression that the issue > is with the RC50 rather than the Firepod. Incidentally, I can easily > sync my K2600's internal clock to the Firepod. > > So, my question is: Has ANYONE successfully synced the RC50 to an > external clock? If there is a definate "yes" then I'll go back to the > drawing board, though I am running out of options here. > > In the meantime, I am using some VST delays that are part of Cubase SX3 > to accomplish my looping -- I am about 5 1/2 minutes into a new > composition and the first in which I will incorporate live loops. The > info on this mailing list and on the links from this list have been > very valuable to me and I appreciate the contributions of one and all. > > -- Kevin > > > Quoting Teddy : > >> call them once a week to complain about this stuff. If they don't hear >> from us it will never get fixed. >> >> squeaky wheels unite >> >> Teddy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 17:49:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE6FD3BF12; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20070213113104.i478ku79us884ko8@69.89.21.76> References: <021320071535.19273.45D1DABC000BD42500004B492216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <1545B55E-3D26-49C4-B1F9-D937D17BBCE4@mac.com> <20070213113104.i478ku79us884ko8@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10--191774054 Message-Id: <33aa9047a4255ba776c1b75b2f43c16f@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: RC-50 weirdness: conclusion Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:49:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:49:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10--191774054 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed This is worrisome! Glad you guys are down in the trenches. I did solve my 'guide track out of the sub' problem. I THOUGHT I'd set it in the system settings but either it changed itself or I didn't set it. I'm STRONGLY suspecting that I read it in the manual and forgot that you actually had to physically do it! I do manual reading late at night sometimes when the veil between reality and dreams is porous indeed. When will these frigging infernal machines be able to read our minds and have wireless ports installed so we think it and they just make the change? It's probably a good thing they CAN'T read my mind, though. It would probably crash and self combust, as Charles Dickens would say. But the sync issue could be a death cap for the RC50. If this is true, it's only good for live in my book. That's too bad. I know Roland knows how to do sync. Sheesh! I used to sync my TR 808 & Jupiter 8 back before there was real sync - when synths were made of mud and dinosaur bones. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Feb-07, at 9:31 AM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Regarding the use of the RC50 as a slave device I am not conviced that > it really syncs as a slave. > > It appears that when the RC50 recieves a MIDI-START message, it > attempts to extract the tempo from the incoming MIDI-CLOCK treating it > like a "tap" tempo then otherwise continue in "free run" mode. > > I would find the RC50 more useful it they dropped the requirement for > a MIDI-CLOCK signal and provided settings for "Internal" or "External" > sync. (Instead they have "internal" and "both"). I don't see a need > for "both". With External sync, the RC50 would simply sync in real > time with the incoming clock. Then one would start/stop the loops > with foot pedals or CC events (same as when using internal sync). > > My hunch (not knowing the software internals) is that the RC50 is > designed to run with its internal clock in free-run mode and doesn't > continuously sync with the incoming clock source. The reason I say > this is because when I do an accelerando or retard on the master tempo > the RC50 doesn't track it. It requires a MIDI start message for the > RC50 to sample the incoming tempo and set its internal clock to the > tempo that it detects. As noted, the problem with this arrangement is > that the tempo detection is innaccurate and it doesn't track in sync > with the master. > > Now, in all fairness, I have only tried syncing to me computer > (Firepod) interface and haven't tried it with other sources. However, > from the posts I am reading I am getting the impression that the issue > is with the RC50 rather than the Firepod. Incidentally, I can easily > sync my K2600's internal clock to the Firepod. > > So, my question is: Has ANYONE successfully synced the RC50 to an > external clock? If there is a definate "yes" then I'll go back to the > drawing board, though I am running out of options here. > > In the meantime, I am using some VST delays that are part of Cubase > SX3 to accomplish my looping -- I am about 5 1/2 minutes into a new > composition and the first in which I will incorporate live loops. The > info on this mailing list and on the links from this list have been > very valuable to me and I appreciate the contributions of one and all. > > -- Kevin > > > Quoting Teddy : > >> call them once a week to complain about this stuff. If they don't >> hear >> from us it will never get fixed. >> >> squeaky wheels unite >> >> Teddy > --Apple-Mail-10--191774054 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII This is worrisome! Glad you guys are down in the trenches. I did solve my 'guide track out of the sub' problem. I THOUGHT I'd set it in the system settings but either it changed itself or I didn't set it. I'm STRONGLY suspecting that I read it in the manual and forgot that you actually had to physically do it! I do manual reading late at night sometimes when the veil between reality and dreams is porous indeed. When will these frigging infernal machines be able to read our minds and have wireless ports installed so we think it and they just make the change? It's probably a good thing they CAN'T read my mind, though. It would probably crash and self combust, as Charles Dickens would say. But the sync issue could be a death cap for the RC50. If this is true, it's only good for live in my book. That's too bad. I know Roland knows how to do sync. Sheesh! I used to sync my TR 808 & Jupiter 8 back before there was real sync - when synths were made of mud and dinosaur bones. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Feb-07, at 9:31 AM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: Regarding the use of the RC50 as a slave device I am not conviced that it really syncs as a slave. It appears that when the RC50 recieves a MIDI-START message, it attempts to extract the tempo from the incoming MIDI-CLOCK treating it like a "tap" tempo then otherwise continue in "free run" mode. I would find the RC50 more useful it they dropped the requirement for a MIDI-CLOCK signal and provided settings for "Internal" or "External" sync. (Instead they have "internal" and "both"). I don't see a need for "both". With External sync, the RC50 would simply sync in real time with the incoming clock. Then one would start/stop the loops with foot pedals or CC events (same as when using internal sync). My hunch (not knowing the software internals) is that the RC50 is designed to run with its internal clock in free-run mode and doesn't continuously sync with the incoming clock source. The reason I say this is because when I do an accelerando or retard on the master tempo the RC50 doesn't track it. It requires a MIDI start message for the RC50 to sample the incoming tempo and set its internal clock to the tempo that it detects. As noted, the problem with this arrangement is that the tempo detection is innaccurate and it doesn't track in sync with the master. Now, in all fairness, I have only tried syncing to me computer (Firepod) interface and haven't tried it with other sources. However, from the posts I am reading I am getting the impression that the issue is with the RC50 rather than the Firepod. Incidentally, I can easily sync my K2600's internal clock to the Firepod. So, my question is: Has ANYONE successfully synced the RC50 to an external clock? If there is a definate "yes" then I'll go back to the drawing board, though I am running out of options here. In the meantime, I am using some VST delays that are part of Cubase SX3 to accomplish my looping -- I am about 5 1/2 minutes into a new composition and the first in which I will incorporate live loops. The info on this mailing list and on the links from this list have been very valuable to me and I appreciate the contributions of one and all. -- Kevin Quoting Teddy <: call them once a week to complain about this stuff. If they don't hear from us it will never get fixed. squeaky wheels unite Teddy --Apple-Mail-10--191774054-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 18:36:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B1713BF02; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070213113104.i478ku79us884ko8@69.89.21.76> References: <021320071535.19273.45D1DABC000BD42500004B492216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <1545B55E-3D26-49C4-B1F9-D937D17BBCE4@mac.com> <20070213113104.i478ku79us884ko8@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <74D2214A-1AB3-4EE2-8C10-B7AD3AAC8EA7@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: RC-50 weirdness: conclusion Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:36:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:36:50 +0000 (UTC) not a one of us has been able to sync the RC-50 to an external source right. Roland are aware of this. Please call them over and over till we get it worked out. I don't have a "both" setting in my RC-50... I have internal, remote, auto and patch remote I assume means external hmmmm, what's that about? where are you getting "both"? Teddy On Feb 13, 2007, at 12:31 PM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Regarding the use of the RC50 as a slave device I am not conviced > that it really syncs as a slave. > > It appears that when the RC50 recieves a MIDI-START message, it > attempts to extract the tempo from the incoming MIDI-CLOCK treating > it like a "tap" tempo then otherwise continue in "free run" mode. > > I would find the RC50 more useful it they dropped the requirement > for a MIDI-CLOCK signal and provided settings for "Internal" or > "External" sync. (Instead they have "internal" and "both"). I > don't see a need for "both". With External sync, the RC50 would > simply sync in real time with the incoming clock. Then one would > start/stop the loops with foot pedals or CC events (same as when > using internal sync). > > My hunch (not knowing the software internals) is that the RC50 is > designed to run with its internal clock in free-run mode and > doesn't continuously sync with the incoming clock source. The > reason I say this is because when I do an accelerando or retard on > the master tempo the RC50 doesn't track it. It requires a MIDI > start message for the RC50 to sample the incoming tempo and set its > internal clock to the tempo that it detects. As noted, the problem > with this arrangement is that the tempo detection is innaccurate > and it doesn't track in sync with the master. > > Now, in all fairness, I have only tried syncing to me computer > (Firepod) interface and haven't tried it with other sources. > However, from the posts I am reading I am getting the impression > that the issue is with the RC50 rather than the Firepod. > Incidentally, I can easily sync my K2600's internal clock to the > Firepod. > > So, my question is: Has ANYONE successfully synced the RC50 to an > external clock? If there is a definate "yes" then I'll go back to > the drawing board, though I am running out of options here. > > In the meantime, I am using some VST delays that are part of Cubase > SX3 to accomplish my looping -- I am about 5 1/2 minutes into a new > composition and the first in which I will incorporate live loops. > The info on this mailing list and on the links from this list have > been very valuable to me and I appreciate the contributions of one > and all. > > -- Kevin > > > Quoting Teddy : > >> call them once a week to complain about this stuff. If they don't >> hear >> from us it will never get fixed. >> >> squeaky wheels unite >> >> Teddy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 18:54:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 050F63BF17; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:54:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <18726.65.160.58.240.1171392859.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:54:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Acetone EC-1 demo online From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:54:21 +0000 (UTC) http://youtube.com/watch?v=V2b7fhDUB3U Just polished this S.O.B. up and gave it a run through last night and made a short video. Nothing like the real thing. Comments/questions welcome. One interesting things about this model (apparently an almost exact knockoff of the Roland RE101 with different controls) is that it uses a short tape only as big as the loop itself. The other space echos I've played with from multivox to the Rolands always had those long tapes that bundled up and did the sound on sound thing. This is a bit more immediate and raw in it's sound IMO. Very nice actually and the Echoplexlike sliders on top and on the face are a nice touch. Anyone have or know who might have the schematics on these things? I'd like to keep her running smooth. ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 18:56:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31DFE3BF1C; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.35] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.35} Message-ID: <20070213125611.mqr98dvkmckk4484@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:56:11 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Teddy Subject: Re: RC-50 weirdness: conclusion References: <021320071535.19273.45D1DABC000BD42500004B492216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <1545B55E-3D26-49C4-B1F9-D937D17BBCE4@mac.com> <20070213113104.i478ku79us884ko8@69.89.21.76> <74D2214A-1AB3-4EE2-8C10-B7AD3AAC8EA7@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <74D2214A-1AB3-4EE2-8C10-B7AD3AAC8EA7@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Teddy : > I don't have a "both" setting in my RC-50... I have internal, remote, > auto and patch Teddy, You are correct... what I called "Both" is in reality "Auto". Thank you for clarifying. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 19:07:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56A703BF1C; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <18726.65.160.58.240.1171392859.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> References: <18726.65.160.58.240.1171392859.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--187101466 Message-Id: <813c2881c3eac1b23035e749dead44d6@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Acetone EC-1 demo online Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:07:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:07:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--187101466 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cool! Any other name for it? Manufacturer? Never heard of it! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Feb-07, at 10:54 AM, legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=V2b7fhDUB3U > > Just polished this S.O.B. up and gave it a run through last night and > made > a short video. Nothing like the real thing. Comments/questions welcome. > > One interesting things about this model (apparently an almost exact > knockoff of the Roland RE101 with different controls) is that it uses a > short tape only as big as the loop itself. The other space echos I've > played with from multivox to the Rolands always had those long tapes > that > bundled up and did the sound on sound thing. This is a bit more > immediate > and raw in it's sound IMO. Very nice actually and the Echoplexlike > sliders > on top and on the face are a nice touch. > > Anyone have or know who might have the schematics on these things? I'd > like to keep her running smooth. > > ------------------------------------------------ > Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: > Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > --Apple-Mail-1--187101466 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Cool! Any other name for it? Manufacturer? Never heard of it! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Feb-07, at 10:54 AM, legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=V2b7fhDUB3U Just polished this S.O.B. up and gave it a run through last night and made a short video. Nothing like the real thing. Comments/questions welcome. One interesting things about this model (apparently an almost exact knockoff of the Roland RE101 with different controls) is that it uses a short tape only as big as the loop itself. The other space echos I've played with from multivox to the Rolands always had those long tapes that bundled up and did the sound on sound thing. This is a bit more immediate and raw in it's sound IMO. Very nice actually and the Echoplexlike sliders on top and on the face are a nice touch. Anyone have or know who might have the schematics on these things? I'd like to keep her running smooth. ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com --Apple-Mail-1--187101466-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 19:09:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B34C43BF2B; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 weirdness: conclusion Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:09:12 +0000 Message-Id: <021320071909.3407.45D20CD8000C020300000D4F2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3407_1171393752_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:09:18 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3407_1171393752_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mine has "Out of Sync" and "Totally out of Sync". -------------- Original message -------------- From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com > Quoting Teddy : > > > I don't have a "both" setting in my RC-50... I have internal, remote, > > auto and patch > > Teddy, > > You are correct... what I called "Both" is in reality "Auto". Thank > you for clarifying. > > -- Kevin > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3407_1171393752_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Mine has "Out of Sync" and "Totally out of Sync".
 
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> Quoting Teddy :
>
> > I don't have a "both" setting in my RC-50... I have internal, remote,
> > auto and patch
>
> Teddy,
>
> You are correct... what I called "Both" is in reality "Auto". Thank
> you for clarifying.
>
> -- Kevin
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--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3407_1171393752_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 19:18:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E073B3BF24; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:18:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <021320071909.3407.45D20CD8000C020300000D4F2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <021320071909.3407.45D20CD8000C020300000D4F2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <905010C3-96B8-40AF-99FF-4A263AA9B864@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: RC-50 weirdness: conclusion Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:18:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:18:53 +0000 (UTC) hahahahaha I'll forward that to the Roland tech dept. Teddy On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:09 PM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Mine has "Out of Sync" and "Totally out of Sync". > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com > > > Quoting Teddy : > > > > > I don't have a "both" setting in my RC-50... I have internal, > remote, > > > auto and patch > > > > Teddy, > > > > You are correct... what I called "Both" is in reality "Auto". Thank > > you for clarifying. > > > > -- Kevin > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 19:21:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7AA93BF35; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <905010C3-96B8-40AF-99FF-4A263AA9B864@mac.com> References: <021320071909.3407.45D20CD8000C020300000D4F2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <905010C3-96B8-40AF-99FF-4A263AA9B864@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--186232460 Message-Id: <62b9c01c6a56626dbca0574318e6d172@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: RC-50 weirdness: conclusion Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:21:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:21:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--186232460 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Do you have an email address for the Roland Tech Dept? I'll write 'em richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Feb-07, at 11:18 AM, Teddy wrote: > hahahahaha > > I'll forward that to the Roland tech dept. > > Teddy > > On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:09 PM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > >> Mine has "Out of Sync" and "Totally out of Sync". >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com >> >> > Quoting Teddy : >> > >> > > I don't have a "both" setting in my RC-50... I have internal, >> remote, >> > > auto and patch >> > >> > Teddy, >> > >> > You are correct... what I called "Both" is in reality "Auto". Thank >> > you for clarifying. >> > >> > -- Kevin >> > --Apple-Mail-5--186232460 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Do you have an email address for the Roland Tech Dept? I'll write 'em Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Feb-07, at 11:18 AM, Teddy wrote: hahahahaha I'll forward that to the Roland tech dept. Teddy On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:09 PM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: Mine has "Out of Sync" and "Totally out of Sync". -------------- Original message -------------- From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com > Quoting Teddy : > > > I don't have a "both" setting in my RC-50... I have internal, remote, > > auto and patch > > Teddy, > > You are correct... what I called "Both" is in reality "Auto". Thank > you for clarifying. > > -- Kevin --Apple-Mail-5--186232460-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 19:33:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 466573BF07; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <62b9c01c6a56626dbca0574318e6d172@glasswing.com> References: <021320071909.3407.45D20CD8000C020300000D4F2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <905010C3-96B8-40AF-99FF-4A263AA9B864@mac.com> <62b9c01c6a56626dbca0574318e6d172@glasswing.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--185509840 Message-Id: <4793062B-B765-4B6C-AE5A-BB9A0AAC6120@mac.com> From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: RC-50 weirdness: conclusion Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:33:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:33:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--185509840 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed better to call them and just ask them how to make the RC-50 sync to an external device. the more the better. Guitar / Percussion Products: 323-890-3743 or just email them here.... http://backstage.rolandus.com/email_support/ enjoy Teddy On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > Do you have an email address for the Roland Tech Dept? I'll write 'em > > richard sales --Apple-Mail-2--185509840 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 better to call them and just ask = them how to make the RC-50 sync to an external device.

the more the = better.

Guitar / Percussion Products: = 323-890-3743

or just email them here....


enjoy

Teddy


On Feb 13, 2007, at = 2:21 PM, Richard Sales wrote:

Do you have an email address for the Roland Tech = Dept?=A0 I'll write = 'em

richard = sales


= --Apple-Mail-2--185509840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 20:38:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BD333BF12; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5839.65.160.58.240.1171399077.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> In-Reply-To: <813c2881c3eac1b23035e749dead44d6@glasswing.com> References: <18726.65.160.58.240.1171392859.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> <813c2881c3eac1b23035e749dead44d6@glasswing.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:37:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Acetone EC-1 demo online From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:38:00 +0000 (UTC) > Cool! Any other name for it? Manufacturer? Never heard of it! The manufacturer is Acetone which was a Japanese company in the early 60s who made cha-cha drum machines, cheesy organs, guitar amplifiers, effects etc. A list of their products is here: http://www.answers.com/topic/ace-tone Some more info here: http://www.keyboardmuseum.org/ar/a/ace/ace.html The Roland/Acetone connection may explain how the EC-1 and RE101 ended up so similar. As with most early oddball gear manufacturers there isn't a lot of info floating around alas. > On 13-Feb-07, at 10:54 AM, legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: >> >> http://youtube.com/watch?v=V2b7fhDUB3U ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 21:52:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16FF73BF0D; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:52:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D23308.1050102@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:52:08 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acetone EC-1 demo online References: <18726.65.160.58.240.1171392859.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> In-Reply-To: <18726.65.160.58.240.1171392859.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2m0olB.A.MBD.MMj0FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:52:13 +0000 (UTC) Ah, that's awesome, thanks for sharing. Tape rules! rules! rules! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > http://youtube.com/watch?v=V2b7fhDUB3U > > Just polished this S.O.B. up and gave it a run through last night and made > a short video. Nothing like the real thing. Comments/questions welcome. > > One interesting things about this model (apparently an almost exact > knockoff of the Roland RE101 with different controls) is that it uses a > short tape only as big as the loop itself. The other space echos I've > played with from multivox to the Rolands always had those long tapes that > bundled up and did the sound on sound thing. This is a bit more immediate > and raw in it's sound IMO. Very nice actually and the Echoplexlike sliders > on top and on the face are a nice touch. > > Anyone have or know who might have the schematics on these things? I'd > like to keep her running smooth. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 21:58:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 580EA3BF15; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:58:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D2347F.40402@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:58:23 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Blem EDP for sale - Musician's Friend Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/2560/Mon Feb 12 12:06:19 2007 on smtp-auth0.ispdone.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:58:33 +0000 (UTC) http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-TGE05-Echoplex-Digital-Pro-Plus?sku=158503X Just saw this and thought I'd pass the word along --Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 23:54:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1534C3BF10; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: EDP for sale Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:54:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <45D2347F.40402@infinivert.com> Thread-Index: AcdPuhuq2ESolx7sReCEC18+qz4xdwAD+b5A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070213235442.SASB22948.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:54:43 +0000 (UTC) I put my whiteface (198, Loop IV) up on eBay last week with a $500 starting bid and got no offers--hard times for expensive loopers. Anybody? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 00:11:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 748753BF10; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20200213165540.00a5e930@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 19:12:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Nick Douglas Subject: Re: Acetone EC-1 demo online In-Reply-To: <5839.65.160.58.240.1171399077.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedp roductions.com> References: <813c2881c3eac1b23035e749dead44d6@glasswing.com> <18726.65.160.58.240.1171392859.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> <813c2881c3eac1b23035e749dead44d6@glasswing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Wow. I had no idea there was an AceTone tape echo. I had an AceTone portable combo organ from about 1968 - 1972. According to the info at http://www.combo-organ.com/AceTone/ mine was the TOP-3 Phoenix. Rhythm Ace machines were sold by Hammond dealers who attached them to home model organs in those days. Years later a big-time instrument collector told me Ace Tone was the predecessor company to Roland. He considered Ace Tone organs to be the first Roland keyboards and therefore collectible. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 00:43:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7A3A3BF17; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5839.65.160.58.240.1171399077.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> References: <18726.65.160.58.240.1171392859.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com > <813c2881c3eac1b23035e749dead44d6@glasswing.com> <5839.65.160.58.240.1171399077.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:38:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Acetone EC-1 demo online Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1040708690==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b5711204be2df3149dc93490de76985a462bc44676ae045857c2f36350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: <055jZC.A.u2H.4sl0FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:43:36 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1040708690==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" ACE-TONE was the name of the company that became ROLAND > > Cool! Any other name for it? Manufacturer? Never heard of it! > >The manufacturer is Acetone which was a Japanese company in the early 60s >who made cha-cha drum machines, cheesy organs, guitar amplifiers, effects >etc. > >A list of their products is here: http://www.answers.com/topic/ace-tone >Some more info here: http://www.keyboardmuseum.org/ar/a/ace/ace.html > >The Roland/Acetone connection may explain how the EC-1 and RE101 ended up >so similar. As with most early oddball gear manufacturers there isn't a >lot of info floating around alas. > >> On 13-Feb-07, at 10:54 AM, legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: >>> >>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=V2b7fhDUB3U > > ------------------------------------------------ > Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: > Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1040708690==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Acetone EC-1 demo online


ACE-TONE was the name of the company that became ROLAND





> Cool!  Any other name for it?  Manufacturer?  Never heard of it!

The manufacturer is Acetone which was a Japanese company in the early 60s
who made cha-cha drum machines, cheesy organs, guitar amplifiers, effects
etc.

A list of their products is here: http://www.answers.com/topic/ace-tone
Some more info here: http://www.keyboardmuseum.org/ar/a/ace/ace.html

The Roland/Acetone connection may explain how the EC-1 and RE101 ended up
so similar. As with most early oddball gear manufacturers there isn't a
lot of info floating around alas.

> On 13-Feb-07, at 10:54 AM, legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote:
>>
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=V2b7fhDUB3U

   ------------------------------------------------
      Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art:
        Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com


-- 
...
http://www.zmix.net
--============_-1040708690==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 00:50:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DAEF3BF15; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:50:12 -0700 Message-Id: <200702140050.l1E0oCbx031598@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Acetone EC-1 demo online X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:50:14 +0000 (UTC) The band Yo La Tengo (that is known to loop on occasion as well) has used an Acetone organ to magnificent effect on several songs over the past decade or so (Sudden Organ comes to mind). Harmless trivia for your Acetone discussions of the day. Kevin > > ACE-TONE was the name of the company that became ROLAND > > > > > > Cool! Any other name for it? Manufacturer? Never heard of it! > > > >The manufacturer is Acetone which was a Japanese company in the early 60s > >who made cha-cha drum machines, cheesy organs, guitar amplifiers, effects > >etc. > > > >A list of their products is here: http://www.answers.com/topic/ace-tone > >Some more info here: http://www.keyboardmuseum.org/ar/a/ace/ace.html > > > >The Roland/Acetone connection may explain how the EC-1 and RE101 ended up > >so similar. As with most early oddball gear manufacturers there isn't a > >lot of info floating around alas. > > > >> On 13-Feb-07, at 10:54 AM, legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: > >>> > >>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=V2b7fhDUB3U > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: > > Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 02:16:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D90563BF12; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:16:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04f601c74fde$1ca11040$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Cc: "Y2K6 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL" , "PURPLEHAND" , "RICK WALKER" Subject: ARTIST SUBMISSION Y2K7 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL, Santa Cruz, California OCT 19-21, 2007 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:16:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:16:19 +0000 (UTC) This is the official call for submissions of artists who wish to perform at the Y2K7 International Live Looping Festival to be held October 19-21st, 2007 in Santa Cruz, California. Applications for the festival will be closed April 15th except for foreign artists who's applications I'll take on a case by case basis. and I will publish the Performance Roster by May 15th so that out of town artists have time to make plans for transportation. At that time, I'll include an alternates list. Frequently we will have cancellations as late as the actual weekend of the gig so you should let me know how late you can decide to play the festival if such an cancellation occurs. If you are interested in performing this year please read the following requirements for submission to perform. yours, most sincerely and respectfully, Rick Walker *********************************************************************************** APPLICATION to PERFORM at the Y2K7 Live Looping FESTIVAL Dearest applicants for performance at the Y2K7 International Live Looping Festival. Thank you so much for applying to perform on October 19-21, 2007 in Santa Cruz. Due to the very large number of applicants for this festival and limited performance spaces, we have decided that all performers will go through the same process of applying for performance from now on. The festival took over 4 1/2 months of my life last year and I realized that in order to keep having the energy to making it such a wonderful festival that I was going to have to make the whole process more professional, streamlined and , hence, more standardized. I'm a casual guy so this makes me a little sad but we have, thankfully, gotten big enough that it's time to start acting like a world class music festival. I know so many of you, so this may seem a little over the top but in this way, I can determine who will play, where to put them (stylistically) to make the show good and also to insure, in one fell swoop, that I have recordings, publishable .jpeg photographs and short publishable bios of every artist. IF you'd like to perform please send the following information to me via the snail mail. I regret that, though convenient for the artists, I do not have time to go to websites or myspace pages to read or listen to mp3s. There are just too many performers vying for spots on the festival and I want to have some kind of a personal and artistic life during the ensuing months. Please send the following submission package to Y2K7 SUBMISSION 412 Darwin Street Santa Cruz, California, USA 95062-2629 It needs to contain: 1) CD or CDR of representative material. Remember that this is a live looping festival so artist who rely primarily on triggering premade loops in programs like Ableton's Live , Acid or Garage Band should not apply. Please no MP3s.........I just don't have the ability to play them and most of my perusal occurs in my car driving to gigs. 2) A second and separate CD with .JPEG digital photographs (suitable for printing in a newspaper or magazine) of your act 3) include a very short and pithy musical biography and description of your life act on the same CD. Please make the music CD and the photo/bio CD be separate. 4) reproduce the following rules of performance and please sign it just so I know that everyone is on the same page about making the whole thing work. It' s a logistical nightmare and only works if everyone works for the whole team of artists. reproduce and sign the following: ******************************************************************************************************************************* Y2K7 RULES of PERFORMANCE: Performances all occur on two adjacent stages. 50 artists perform continuously for a 24 hour period over two days. There are no breaks between acts so the music is continuous. Because the stages adjoin in view of the audience members, set up and break down can be very distracting to the audience so it is imperative that loading Artists be as sensitive as possible not to draw focus from who is performing. Artists have 20 minute maximum completely silent load in (Line checks can be accomplished with supplied headphones, also silently) Artists have 30 minute maximum performance Artists have 10 minutes maximum complete silent evacuation of the stage Importantly: 1) Artists who take longer to load have time cut off of their performances 2) Artist who perform to long or take too long to evacuate the stage at the end of their sets result in the next act having time shaved off their set. ARTIST COMPENSATION: We run in the red every year (out of my pocket always) and there is no compensation for the artists, unfortunately, consequently. Over time, I am researching new ways to get granting and to get subsidies from music companies. These invariably will be offered, first, to the artists who travel from out of the country to come perform. GUEST and COMP LISTS: We charge at the door and don't allow guests at all because the venue is usually too small and we wouldn't be able to do the festival at all if we let everyone in for free that the artists bring. I have read the above rules of performance and agree to them. signed ____________________________________ _______________________________________________________________________________________ *********************************************************************************************************************************** It pains me horribly to state those last rules but they are the only way that we can continue doing the festival. Having these draconian rules is necessary to pull off the unbelievable feat of having so many artists play without running over time (which is illegal in the City and makes us liable to be cancelled) I try as hard a possible to make this thing bigger and better every year but we are a very new art form and the whole thing is a gigantic (and wonderfully creative and fun) labor of love on everyone's part. Thank you very much for showing interest in this wonderful festival. We'll be blessed to have you come play. with the deepest respect for everyone's artistry who applies for this festival Rick Walker founder Y2K International Live Looping Festivals From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 02:48:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FB073BF14; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=k6LS8S/+L5xWAeyIqHVfdVB9GFibJai1JLr2kykr+iGLXKlAp9mSP+hPqKIeCz62X2Y/J8OqzKp2yUCu8wUOxmaLc5WKvz+B6aJKLcaMyWdq8rUjQmvrDYayeTuG7BdBFYvFIlrbOLeFt8SJZPU8EyKp4Enya+d9fY9k4zbW40I= ; Message-ID: <20070214024820.54056.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: aWR20ekVM1k8yj19gCqp4tKJlUeoACRCfz50ZSDXeIF5QRSTUvdC3n8.HqBid5Rsoxy14MhuEkVtGdtWXaE6Zyedd91XR4YsYM1jcdxOHIxR8CCNuIRvI5x94Qi0.CbWmCjMbKLiVc4HbVY- Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:48:20 -0800 (PST) From: margaret noble Subject: Re: ARTIST SUBMISSION Y2K7 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL, Santa Cruz, California OCT 19-21, 2007 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <04f601c74fde$1ca11040$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <62waM.A.qhD.1hn0FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rick, am i still in? or would you like me to submit :-) margaret --- RICK WALKER wrote: > This is the official call for submissions of artists > who wish to perform at > the > Y2K7 International Live Looping Festival to be held > October 19-21st, 2007 in Santa Cruz, California. > > Applications for the festival will be closed April > 15th > except for foreign artists who's applications I'll > take on a > case by case basis. > > and I will publish the Performance Roster by May > 15th so that > out of town artists have time to make plans for > transportation. > At that time, I'll include an alternates list. > Frequently we will have > cancellations > as late as the actual weekend of the gig so you > should let me know > how late you can decide to play the festival if such > an cancellation occurs. > > If you are interested in performing this year please > read the following > requirements for submission to perform. > > yours, most sincerely and respectfully, > Rick Walker > > > *********************************************************************************** > > > APPLICATION to PERFORM at the Y2K7 Live Looping > FESTIVAL > > Dearest applicants for performance at the Y2K7 > International Live > Looping Festival. > Thank you so much for applying to perform on October > 19-21, 2007 in Santa > Cruz. > > Due to the very large number of applicants for this > festival and limited > performance spaces, > we have decided that all performers will go through > the same process of > applying for performance > from now on. > > The festival took over 4 1/2 months of my life last > year and I realized that > in order to keep having the energy > to making it such a wonderful festival that I was > going to have to make the > whole process more professional, > streamlined and , hence, more standardized. I'm a > casual guy so this > makes me a little sad but we have, thankfully, > gotten big enough that it's > time to start acting like a world class music > festival. > > I know so many of you, so this may seem a little > over the top but in this > way, I can determine > who will play, where to put them (stylistically) to > make the show good and > also to insure, in one fell swoop, > that I have recordings, publishable .jpeg > photographs and short publishable > bios of every artist. > > IF you'd like to perform please send the following > information to me via the > snail mail. I regret that, > though convenient for the artists, I do not have > time to go to websites or > myspace pages to read or > listen to mp3s. There are just too many performers > vying for spots on the > festival and I want to have some > kind of a personal and artistic life during the > ensuing months. > > Please send the following submission package to > > Y2K7 SUBMISSION > 412 Darwin Street > Santa Cruz, California, USA > 95062-2629 > > It needs to contain: > > 1) CD or CDR of representative material. Remember > that this is a live > looping festival so artist who rely primarily on > triggering premade loops in > programs like Ableton's Live , Acid or Garage Band > should not apply. > Please no MP3s.........I just don't have the ability > to play them and most > of my perusal occurs in my car driving to gigs. > > 2) A second and separate CD with .JPEG digital > photographs (suitable for > printing in a newspaper or magazine) of your act > > 3) include a very short and pithy musical biography > and description of your > life act on the same CD. > > Please make the music CD and the photo/bio CD be > separate. > > 4) reproduce the following rules of performance and > please sign it just so > I know that everyone is on the same page about > making the whole thing work. > It' s a logistical nightmare and only works if > everyone works > for the whole team of artists. > > > reproduce and sign the following: > ******************************************************************************************************************************* > > Y2K7 RULES of PERFORMANCE: > > Performances all occur on two adjacent stages. 50 > artists perform > continuously for a 24 hour period > over two days. There are no breaks between acts so > the music is > continuous. > > Because the stages adjoin in view of the audience > members, set up and > break down can be very distracting > to the audience so it is imperative that loading > Artists be as sensitive as > possible not to draw focus > from who is performing. > > Artists have 20 minute maximum completely silent > load in (Line checks can > be accomplished with > supplied headphones, also silently) > Artists have 30 minute maximum performance > Artists have 10 minutes maximum complete silent > evacuation of the stage > > Importantly: > > 1) Artists who take longer to load have time cut off > of their performances > > 2) Artist who perform to long or take too long to > evacuate the stage at the > end of their sets result in the next act having time > shaved off their set. > > > ARTIST COMPENSATION: > > We run in the red every year (out of my pocket > always) and there is no > compensation for the artists, unfortunately, > consequently. > > Over time, I am researching new ways to get granting > and to get subsidies > from music companies. These > invariably will be offered, first, to the artists > who travel from out of the > country to come perform. > > > GUEST and COMP LISTS: > > We charge at the door and don't allow guests at all > because the venue is > usually too small and we wouldn't be able to do the > festival at all if we > let everyone in for free that the artists bring. > > I have read the above rules of performance and agree > to them. > > > signed ____________________________________ > > _______________________________________________________________________________________ > *********************************************************************************************************************************** > > It pains me horribly to state those last rules but > they are the only way > that we can continue doing the festival. > === message truncated === Margaret Noble Audio Artist http://www.myspace.com/margaretnoble ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 03:29:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 857993BF14; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 03:29:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [83.100.150.35] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP for sale Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 03:29:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2007 03:29:37.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[5ACC64A0:01C74FE8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 03:29:39 +0000 (UTC) hey there, would you be willing to ship to the uk if i can verify my cedibility etc? i have bought gear from other loopers on this list before and I am deffinatly in the market for another edp if the price was right. i have an impeccable ebay feedback score and also hold a verified paypal account. yours hopefully phill wilson myonemanband / blackface >From: "Gary Lehmann" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: EDP for sale Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:54:37 -0800 > >I put my whiteface (198, Loop IV) up on eBay last week with a $500 starting >bid and got no offers--hard times for expensive loopers. >Anybody? >Gary > > _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 05:04:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21D323BF0F; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 05:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: TYIGPh0VM1nJMJUFw86C01UouopVofFRj.4020f_FNDcWZTqBuLZFsgTM7._AEp8QM9OLmc2YyZ.6qN96r9I.CtL2jh01wGyYTN7Sdaj25tVNY_cAr1TSSozSNWEBXBwq8h1t88SOBWM3eA- Message-ID: <001701c74ff5$827c6240$4201a8c0@MichaelPlishka> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <20070214024820.54056.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: New semi looped tune and Happy Valentine's! Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:03:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 05:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Hi Folks! As the wind whips around us and the snow keeps piling up I wrote this instrumental tune called, "Dreams of the Black Sea." Close your eyes, feel the warmth of the water, and go back in history.... Feel free to check it out at: www.myspace.com/bohdanovich It's all me, one take... Happy Valentine's Day to all.... ~Peace, Warmth and Love~ Plish Love is an irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired.--Robert Frost Love is a great beautifier.--Louisa May Alcott Love is a fruit in season at all times, and within reach of every hand.--Mother Teresa Love is all you need.--Paul McCartney Love is a better teacher than duty.--Albert Einstein Love is all we have, the only way that each can help the other.--Euripides From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 05:37:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 317F93BF14; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 05:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.35] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.35} Message-ID: <20070213233701.hygumgopc8wggk00@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:37:01 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New semi looped tune and Happy Valentine's! References: <20070214024820.54056.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001701c74ff5$827c6240$4201a8c0@MichaelPlishka> In-Reply-To: <001701c74ff5$827c6240$4201a8c0@MichaelPlishka> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 05:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Enjoyed this, thanks for posting. Sent you an add request. -- Kevin http://myspace.com/kkissinger Quoting Michael Plishka : > Hi Folks! > > As the wind whips around us and the snow keeps piling up I wrote this > instrumental tune called, "Dreams of the Black Sea." Close your eyes, feel > the warmth of the water, and go back in history.... > > Feel free to check it out at: www.myspace.com/bohdanovich > > It's all me, one take... > > Happy Valentine's Day to all.... > > ~Peace, Warmth and Love~ > > Plish > > Love is an irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired.--Robert Frost > Love is a great beautifier.--Louisa May Alcott > Love is a fruit in season at all times, and within reach of every > hand.--Mother Teresa > Love is all you need.--Paul McCartney > Love is a better teacher than duty.--Albert Einstein > Love is all we have, the only way that each can help the other.--Euripides From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 08:16:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F9143BF0D; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=nNC2d0PRJSDvsyCyvWuJlb3Dhf7jmc/IZWRzjM6OTbcbaohjgTEBekWinvbrHue7p/sRh6jysVNXJ4fd8GpitiA0wXZaJEOfE4tY+RdtJNxeLuc2EjvY3Ux6wt70CBGtLjVsNT9HxdTmDpGUw+FKqy2LgLMy7yOlhKTqoqWKTUk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:16:49 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: LD Subject: Live looping in Portland, Oregon 2/17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_102926_5262360.1171441009798" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:16:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_102926_5262360.1171441009798 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'll be doing two sets of acoustic guitar live looping starting at 8PM this Saturday, February 17th, at the Red & Black Cafe (2138 SE Division) in Portland, Oregon. Admission is free, free, free. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett www.myspace.com/travishartnett ------=_Part_102926_5262360.1171441009798 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'll be doing two sets of acoustic guitar live looping starting at 8PM this Saturday, February 17th, at the Red & Black Cafe (2138 SE Division) in Portland, Oregon.  Admission is free, free, free.

Be seeing you,

Travis Hartnett

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------=_Part_102926_5262360.1171441009798-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 11:24:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D74EB3BF04; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=gMbCSLS5Vo9XSO7bkWZS4GErtsW4xqdS3jSiBk5ZZaTgXMKV1LXIwQGaMe6Bix6gVDY4GOc4VK+u9VQFz3tFvBLwj/gZS0OUWufyTkPvkM9Ep0aZ2yDe9tPJtvUAwL3RmvB0Ak1MxLT/RGpLfdcrRi6DuiwgbYbVO/F1SPfCVpA= ; X-YMail-OSG: fZpl8DsVM1nQ9_VY2yJY0O6eGCh20Jh2_RKaXhpj2MI7g09PpWHlL32Fh3lrIcifLhY38PsY9UTC3oAOG_Q1oNPa5S9Wo8jAf.1H3bG0n4SWSzACJA-- Message-ID: <00c301c7502a$a31f6260$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: Subject: looping or delay? Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:24:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Can this be called looping? I guess not but cool anyway. Brian May teaching the use of delay for multi harmony guitar parts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs87GuoOvYo A great way to learn scales as well. Ben. ___________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 11:50:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEB153BF0A; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bxRIv5JBtB15r72BiUV/gFpUtLD5udot2Ons4zSC9GtsIs436QSj52+7kSxdN9qgyD15wRyYOelN/pCzl04cV6dbYMVhLlsn5MoL/U3pX5iQde9pA/bzanI8M3be6eq12eNGiCgOGqR3gqmIEzfTvrnN5p8CqRDuc3I27YyQZ2Y= In-Reply-To: <00c301c7502a$a31f6260$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <00c301c7502a$a31f6260$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6F7BA4C5-603C-4769-9644-9F91205C50AB@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: looping or delay? Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:50:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:50:07 +0000 (UTC) On 14 feb 2007, at 12.24, Ben wrote: > Can this be called looping? I guess not but cool anyway. > Brian May teaching the use of delay for multi harmony guitar parts. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs87GuoOvYo > > A great way to learn scales as well. Nice video. Here's where he does it live: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0J0ZCvsW_Q&NR I definitely think Brian May is looping on of both those videos. He makes some noise, has it loop back and acts on basis of that to build more complex music. I think that's the essence of looping. Wether a musician loops with more or less complex techniques is not important for the activity to be called "looping". And as Brian said on the clinic video, even J.S. Bach was looping, even though he didn't do it in real-time but in composing. But I wouldn't say that J.S. was "a looper", since loopers work with real-time audio manipulation. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 12:55:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B60853BF04; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <75E7E89D-706A-4FA4-B3AE-299036C24B6F@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: OT: The Police on Tour Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:55:33 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:55:37 +0000 (UTC) http://www.thepolicetour.com/ Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 13:11:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DC0A3BF12; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=oEzEL05p5dmByyG4T8Evt/BjBd8ZO8ThOyxpfExOMjXiMux+RSvCdnFujEbDlr96PJwisOHb6qNrj5EeC+BbNO7PBE4McimT9ldMdqHm0ym2a3YMyj5hjhzpbFlZyjGBnAGyaEsP+eME7e2w0BEEEkgIBBfq8TpB6hS+X3MwRcI= Message-ID: <8d5132250702140511w68d2247dw91290a7e5227610f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:11:08 -0500 From: "Don Makoviney" Sender: donmak@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping article on songwriting website MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41871_9142268.1171458668957" X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9bd84a06259a312b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:11:10 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_41871_9142268.1171458668957 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Very basic info, but a good accessible overview for the complete novice I guess. Singer-songwriter oriented: Songwriters, spice up your performances with live looping http://www.bloggingmuses.com/archives/songwriters_spice_up_your_performances_with_live_looping_000610.php -dm ------=_Part_41871_9142268.1171458668957 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Very basic info, but a good accessible overview for the complete novice I guess.

Singer-songwriter oriented:

Songwriters, spice up your performances with live looping

http://www.bloggingmuses.com/archives/songwriters_spice_up_your_performances_with_live_looping_000610.php


-dm
------=_Part_41871_9142268.1171458668957-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 14:01:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CD083BF13; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=nw+rKpc5OM39+2vz5oRSqJHRuQfJ9wm4U2PtB8JEYNXQEgkWHALugIlJdtySDtU/0HxAfolv0j84ugX2MwLnRKg9LeOQZh457cMuEbZcnQry3oAPusoPOwXLGkS64cNnOMcT7qkRvW8kwAiBHFPJgOOESwhkaDxnYiS0f+d1Y/Y=; X-YMail-OSG: mWL1wGgVM1nWbYnZYubypTm.yr8JR34vE2t.45tmb16A3mwBS422ISqV2wkxRMBcfLd0nPkA3f5Tbe_QZh.XFeW85I0nCEeF1ty04EdtB4tkQ0O3N8Y2SgziKGalzQcfk78t1PynJ47r_Ts53jlCCSdmJHgXT.K1 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 06:01:57 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <75E7E89D-706A-4FA4-B3AE-299036C24B6F@bernhardwagner.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-66879555-1171461717=:44715" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <709486.44715.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-iTp0D.A.kmF.XZx0FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:01:59 +0000 (UTC) --0-66879555-1171461717=:44715 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit They're were soooooooo good the last time I saw them. I've seen Andy Summers perform several times in the past 15 years or so. Awesome guitarist. Paul Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: http://www.thepolicetour.com/ Bernhard --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-66879555-1171461717=:44715 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
They're were soooooooo good the last time I saw them.
 
I've seen Andy Summers perform several times in the past 15 years or so. Awesome guitarist.
 
Paul

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Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-66879555-1171461717=:44715-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 14:37:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 324AC3BF0D; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002701c75045$a2640d60$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <75E7E89D-706A-4FA4-B3AE-299036C24B6F@bernhardwagner.net> Subject: Re: The Police on Tour Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:37:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Hm, saw them with The The at Uncle Sam's in Syracuse, May 1979 I think. Great show, and no wrestling or fist-fights as were evident on the later tours they did. And I thought they did a great thing for their longevity by quitting while they were ahead, though another album would have been nice (although not a Sting-specific one, natch). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: "Loopers" Sent: Wednesday, 14 February, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: OT: The Police on Tour > http://www.thepolicetour.com/ > > Bernhard > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 16:07:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F00103BF05; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:07:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: pyrotechnic accompaniment Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:06:59 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:07:04 +0000 (UTC) A friend suggested to use this to accompany a live looping show: http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=643 http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=933 (http://www.infernoptix.com/) Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 16:20:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17B043BF15; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <00c301c7502a$a31f6260$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> <6F7BA4C5-603C-4769-9644-9F91205C50AB@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: looping or delay? Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:19:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: <6F7BA4C5-603C-4769-9644-9F91205C50AB@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 23546 Message-Id: <8C91E6B17EA2370-EE4-3140@WEBMAIL-MB12.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.160 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <37JWuB.A.uWD.6az0FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:20:10 +0000 (UTC) << But I wouldn't say that J.S. was "a looper", since loopers work with=20 real-time audio manipulation.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Greetings from Sweden=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Per Boysen=C2=A0 www.boysen.se (Swedish)=C2=A0 www.looproom.com (international)=C2=A0 http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release)=C2=A0>> =C2=A0 what a can of worms you have opened herr per!.....and nary the ducks=20 to eat them.....:).....michael ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and=20 security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from=20 across the web, free AOL Mail and more. =3D0 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 16:47:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B70B73BF12; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <709486.44715.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <709486.44715.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:47:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1040650836==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b5711204be2df3149dc9349488af7d836daef50d16aef77543258d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:47:43 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1040650836==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I highly recommend reading Andy's new boof "One Train Later" http://www.amazon.com/One-Train-Later-Andy-Summers/dp/0312359144 >They're were soooooooo good the last time I saw them. > >I've seen Andy Summers perform several times in the past 15 years or >so. Awesome guitarist. > >Paul > >Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > >http://www.thepolicetour.com/ > >Bernhard > > > > >Cheap Talk? >Check >out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1040650836==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: OT: The Police on Tour
I highly recommend reading Andy's new boof "One Train Later"

http://www.amazon.com/One-Train-Later-Andy-Summers/dp/0312359144




They're were soooooooo good the last time I saw them.
 
I've seen Andy Summers perform several times in the past 15 years or so. Awesome guitarist.
 
Paul

Bernhard Wagner LD <loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=-@bernhardwagner.net> wrote:
http://www.thepolicetour.com/

Bernhard

 

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--============_-1040650836==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 16:51:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 492703BF12; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D33E20.5070406@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:51:44 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Oooh... Digital album P2P release + report References: <45B985BB.5070504@stickist.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6YmT-C.A.JLF.k4z0FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Several weeks after downloading it (and listening to it quite a bit - it's most enjoyable) I've written a short review of Per's "Ooh", which he generously has made available via download. http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/4053/ One word on Jamendo - the site is a bit frustrating to get around in, firstly because it only works in Internet Explorer, and secondly because even in IE it's not altogether intuitive or functional. But it's an excellent concept. I also got Krispen's "Fragments" today (brought from the States by a friend), which Krispen also sent for free, and am looking forward to checking that out too. thanks for the free stuff, ya'll! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 17:01:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 729253BF17; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ifIrIkOZIUbDvujzLJkFO4rgNAXXR14GSnPh8sMC93UxNElY4r9sGzhhzBYlYo93OL8oWb5GcaQTRv60WPtO1JnNrIXdW93vQ0Bq1WyuTv1AwAvIZXbddwWsPeF3ps8v9jUM9MuKBvJRo2tdLzh1cgg8QzocEkDtbIWECf5m4Ag= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8C91E6B17EA2370-EE4-3140@WEBMAIL-MB12.sysops.aol.com> References: <00c301c7502a$a31f6260$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> <6F7BA4C5-603C-4769-9644-9F91205C50AB@gmail.com> <8C91E6B17EA2370-EE4-3140@WEBMAIL-MB12.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4D513288-E656-4744-813F-A0338413C7CE@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: looping or delay? Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:01:42 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:01:52 +0000 (UTC) > << But I wouldn't say that J.S. was "a looper", since loopers work > with real-time audio manipulation. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) >> > > > what a can of worms you have opened herr per!.....and nary the > ducks to eat them.....:).....michael He, he... I'm hiding safely here in the Swedish Snow, Scoots. At least until Bernhard arrives with those Live Looping Pyrotechnics to toast me out ;-)) And BTW, it was Brian Mays who said it first! (in that video, although he did not use that particular word "looping") per ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 17:12:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FF483BEFF; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:12:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D342FA.9020106@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:12:26 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour References: <709486.44715.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:12:29 +0000 (UTC) They delivered the goods at the Grammy's... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sHXCs84iJc I was relieved to see this, in my opinion they kinda sucked at their last reunion, for the Hall of Fame induction. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 17:49:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F02163BF07; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:49:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mn4KdBqbqI0SVh/Yi4rYRQAGpdlJ2JbwveP/aw+D8kzpWO/uT/Q/9Jeob4g3/+vJLMWO9vwZwF0Hgi1Pw/TbI5U5YM3isv7oKOiTlGmdRBXb90iECCU0ZV81Y9JXcAmRLxjpzmQxhM3wnsau3Hkx7GDSsrP0lPbXpe85LSzpYjw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45D33E20.5070406@mhorse.com> References: <45B985BB.5070504@stickist.com> <45D33E20.5070406@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Jamendo.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:48:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:49:03 +0000 (UTC) On 14 feb 2007, at 17.51, Daryl Shawn wrote: > One word on Jamendo - the site is a bit frustrating to get around > in, firstly because it only works in Internet Explorer, and > secondly because even in IE it's not altogether intuitive or > functional. It's working fine over here on Firefox 1.5.0.9 under Mac OS X. I agree that the Jamendo site's navigation system is difficult to wrap your head and mouse around. And it's ugly, from an esthetic point of view. Not that this matters much to me as interested in listening to music, but it's kind of making it just a little less enjoyable to brows the site and discover new music. > But it's an excellent concept. Yes, I agree with this too. IMHO it's the only serious take on digital "free" digital online music distribution I have come across so far. He, he.... here's a funny experience I had: some listener has tagged my cd with "notfrench" ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 18:07:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3F033BF14; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:07:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D34FF7.3030103@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:07:51 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jamendo.com References: <45B985BB.5070504@stickist.com> <45D33E20.5070406@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:07:56 +0000 (UTC) Ah, I should have said my problems were on Windows Firefox, version 1.5.0.9. It works ok to a point, but I'm unable to bring up an album page, it returns me to the home page each time instead. It's funny, only a handful of countries are represented in the tags, "Finland" being among them in addition to French. But there is no "notFinland"...does this mean that everything not tagged as "notFrench" is, therefore, French....? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > > He, he.... here's a funny experience I had: some listener has tagged > my cd with "notfrench" ;-)) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 18:11:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E20F3BF1C; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=kqzjiwDzD8PLnyfCEjPhmi55gwETZgC3yOhv9Xb9VcUoKE75RIRM8kfDAucKP/xi; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <32951004.1171476658057.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:10:57 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4845ba01b9f01ce74a81d32cdb10a24ef893caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.38 Resent-Message-ID: <-2s_MD.A.kCB.0C10FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:11:01 +0000 (UTC) i thought they sucked w/ all that pre recorded vocals and stuff- coulda hired a trio of singers er somethin -----Original Message----- >From: Daryl Shawn >Sent: Feb 14, 2007 9:12 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour > > >They delivered the goods at the Grammy's... > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sHXCs84iJc > >I was relieved to see this, in my opinion they kinda sucked at their >last reunion, for the Hall of Fame induction. > >Daryl Shawn >www.swanwelder.com > From chris.glavin@k12academics.com Wed Feb 14 18:15:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 314 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:15:03 UTC Received: from omr7.networksolutionsemail.com (omr7.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.57]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17843BF07 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (ns-omr7.mgt.hosting.dc2.netsol.com [10.49.6.70]) by omr7.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1EI9lRl010727 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:09:47 -0500 Received: (qmail 30202 invoked by uid 78); 14 Feb 2007 18:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO SMTP.K12ACADEMICS.COM.NETSOLMAIL.NET) (74.92.97.170) by ns-omr7.lb.hosting.dc2.netsol.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2007 18:09:46 -0000 Message-Id: <1171476599.109@K12ACADEMICS.COM.NETSOLMAIL.NET> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:09:59 -0500 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com From: "Chris Glavin" Subject: Dysphasia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed Hi, My name is Chris Glavin. I run a website devoted to providing resourceful information for a number of topics in education and disabilities and disorders. I have created an information page for Dysphasia including support services, special education schools, camps & books on the speech disorder. Please take a moment out of your day to visit the page. If you would like to help in any way please do not hesitate to contact me. I am always looking for individuals interested in providing articles, resources or have provide services for individuals with Dysphasia. http://www.k12academics.com/dysphasia.htm Thanks! Chris Glavin K12academics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 18:24:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 877E83BF21; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--103294039 Message-Id: <2acef5d18e391c8ed8f74a4ae7389046@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: pyrotechnic accompaniment Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:23:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:24:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--103294039 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed That's funny! The guy dancing in front in the last video looked like one of those hula dolls you put in the package tray of your 1959 Impala. But very cool. I can't imagine a club or venue that wasn't HUGE allowing this, though. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Feb-07, at 8:06 AM, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > A friend suggested to use this to accompany a live looping show: > > http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=643 > http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=933 > (http://www.infernoptix.com/) > > Bernhard > --Apple-Mail-2--103294039 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII That's funny! The guy dancing in front in the last video looked like one of those hula dolls you put in the package tray of your 1959 Impala. But very cool. I can't imagine a club or venue that wasn't HUGE allowing this, though. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Feb-07, at 8:06 AM, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: A friend suggested to use this to accompany a live looping show: http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=643 http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=933 (http://www.infernoptix.com/) Bernhard --Apple-Mail-2--103294039-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 18:28:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 604F03BF21; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=oGGzVbqzd6/XHDj214aUlU35Af3YdrIzU9W7nyqyugb/qnvdLI3F5fIvEGX0EAMOhZU86lZlQlUn2i4jQQUb0dvKfgG4d/j12La3yvl0WPpcfIxNFgCb8sSJDbU3ubJQZ9mOzqhOW59Nu7B48EGnLv7e85XdvtoJGvaCZSjbCZg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45D34FF7.3030103@mhorse.com> References: <45B985BB.5070504@stickist.com> <45D33E20.5070406@mhorse.com> <45D34FF7.3030103@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1297833F-168A-4E89-9262-F29AE40D8CB8@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Jamendo.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:28:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-PL-d.A.rBC.WT10FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:28:38 +0000 (UTC) On 14 feb 2007, at 19.07, Daryl Shawn wrote: > It's funny, only a handful of countries are represented in the > tags, "Finland" being among them in addition to French. But there > is no "notFinland"...does this mean that everything not tagged as > "notFrench" is, therefore, French....? He, he... ever since I watched Mothy Python's In Search For The Holy Grail I adore the French. But seriously, the French are cool. Over here in Europe everyone just seems to speak English almost as well as their native language (except the Germans of course, since the now all sound like an American talk show host making fun of a german accent) but the French they just don't seem to care at all. If you don't speak their language you may as well be on another planet ;-)) I spoke French almost fluently once upon a time and can tell the difference. However, I forgot French rather fast after leaving French territory and I'm still waiting for an option to relearn that enjoyable language. p (oops.... will post more on looping soon, or not at all - excuses for the OT slur) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 18:29:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 953CB3BF2A; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3E7B4F274D824DB9BF031649C265D820@ws1> From: "Carabeee Computer Solutions" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: pyrotechnic accompaniment Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:29:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16386 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16386 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Well, as Paris Hilton would say, ".. - Hmm...I'd better not... Brian ----- Original Message ----- >A friend suggested to use this to accompany a live looping show: > > http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=643 > http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=933 > (http://www.infernoptix.com/) > > Bernhard > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 18:32:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0BE13BF21; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <00c301c7502a$a31f6260$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <00c301c7502a$a31f6260$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--102776989 Message-Id: <3495be006d9bece6ace6b0e9aba4527e@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: looping or delay? Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:32:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:32:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--102776989 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Dang! Just when my confidence was rising you WOULD HAVE to point out =20= something by Brian May up for me to look at. Shit! Back to the woodshed. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Feb-07, at 3:24 AM, Ben wrote: > Can this be called looping? I guess not but cool anyway. > Brian May teaching the use of delay for multi harmony guitar parts. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHs87GuoOvYo > > A great way to learn scales as well. > > Ben. > > > > =09 > > =09 > =09 > = _______________________________________________________________________=20= > ____ Yahoo! Mail r=E9invente le mail ! D=E9couvrez le nouveau Yahoo! = Mail =20 > et son interface r=E9volutionnaire. > http://fr.mail.yahoo.com > --Apple-Mail-3--102776989 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dang! Just when my confidence was rising you WOULD HAVE to point out something by Brian May up for me to look at. =20 Shit! Back to the woodshed. =20 Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Feb-07, at 3:24 AM, Ben wrote: Can this be called looping? I guess not but cool anyway. Brian May teaching the use of delay for multi harmony guitar parts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHs87GuoOvYo A great way to learn scales as well. Ben. =09 =09 =09 = __________________________________________________________________________= _ Yahoo! Mail r=E9invente le mail ! D=E9couvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface r=E9volutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com = --Apple-Mail-3--102776989-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 19:13:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B6133BF0F; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=n4fK63Ct5dVburPFYC9etn7gUpVWXclnN5vqznapGzE+JaqAbalkS8WQdVhhdyI0rOdaoCzI0kd8fCqyIpKA66e2P31/3KpzhZm1EOY+d5M6jILtVmI1wR8tWEeL4wSu+T330O5IPg7a9unFoJTlqdd9FfWsR1/go/PTGt897rY= ; Message-ID: <20070214191259.17322.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: QNukRJoVM1mVwG461K_UWa3kw283oTh0upex0bqF Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:12:59 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: looping or delay? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3495be006d9bece6ace6b0e9aba4527e@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <57aH6B.A.sTE.8810FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:13:01 +0000 (UTC) What's funny about this is, I've ben doing this trick since I bought my first delay pedal, I didn't even know Brian May used that trick till several years later. I never thought of it as looping, but I DID learn to play harmony lines by using this technique. It's even more fun when I used my Digitech RP1's multitap delay, set up in stereo. --- Richard Sales wrote: > Dang! Just when my confidence was rising you WOULD > HAVE to point out > something by Brian May up for me to look at. > > Shit! Back to the woodshed. > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 14-Feb-07, at 3:24 AM, Ben wrote: > > > Can this be called looping? I guess not but cool > anyway. > > Brian May teaching the use of delay for multi > harmony guitar parts. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs87GuoOvYo > > > > A great way to learn scales as well. > > > > Ben. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > ____ Yahoo! Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le > nouveau Yahoo! Mail > > et son interface révolutionnaire. > > http://fr.mail.yahoo.com > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 19:32:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A7EC3BF0F; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20070214191259.17322.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070214191259.17322.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--99163264 Message-Id: <0fad3169ed42eef094d551b6bbf83c3f@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: looping or delay? Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:32:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:32:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--99163264 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Well... I did the trick too with my Effectrons and tape Echoplex in =20 1981. But not like that! He's very graceful on the guitar. I =20 haven't seen many folks SO COMFORTABLE with six strings. I really =20 admire that. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Feb-07, at 11:12 AM, Brian Kupferschmid wrote: > What's funny about this is, I've ben doing this trick > since I bought my first delay pedal, I didn't even > know Brian May used that trick till several years > later. I never thought of it as looping, but I DID > learn to play harmony lines by using this technique. > It's even more fun when I used my Digitech RP1's > multitap delay, set up in stereo. > --- Richard Sales wrote: > >> Dang! Just when my confidence was rising you WOULD >> HAVE to point out >> something by Brian May up for me to look at. >> >> Shit! Back to the woodshed. >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> vancouver island, b.c. >> 800.545.6846 >> 250.752.4816 >> www.glassWing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >> On 14-Feb-07, at 3:24 AM, Ben wrote: >> >>> Can this be called looping? I guess not but cool >> anyway. >>> Brian May teaching the use of delay for multi >> harmony guitar parts. >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHs87GuoOvYo >>> >>> A great way to learn scales as well. >>> >>> Ben. >>> >>> >>> >>> =09 >>> >>> =09 >>> =09 >>> >> > = _______________________________________________________________________ >> >>> ____ Yahoo! Mail r=E9invente le mail ! D=E9couvrez le >> nouveau Yahoo! Mail >>> et son interface r=E9volutionnaire. >>> http://fr.mail.yahoo.com >>> >> > > > > > = _______________________________________________________________________=20= > _____________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > --Apple-Mail-9--99163264 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well... I did the trick too with my Effectrons and tape Echoplex in 1981. But not like that! He's very graceful on the guitar. I haven't seen many folks SO COMFORTABLE with six strings. I really admire that. =20 Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Feb-07, at 11:12 AM, Brian Kupferschmid wrote: What's funny about this is, I've ben doing this trick since I bought my first delay pedal, I didn't even know Brian May used that trick till several years later. I never thought of it as looping, but I DID learn to play harmony lines by using this technique.=20 It's even more fun when I used my Digitech RP1's multitap delay, set up in stereo. --- Richard Sales < wrote: Dang! Just when my confidence was rising you WOULD HAVE to point out =20 something by Brian May up for me to look at. Shit! Back to the woodshed. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Feb-07, at 3:24 AM, Ben wrote: Can this be called looping? I guess not but cool anyway. Brian May teaching the use of delay for multi harmony guitar parts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHs87GuoOvYo A great way to learn scales as well. Ben. =09 =09 =09 = ________________________________________________________________= _______ ____ Yahoo! Mail r=E9invente le mail ! D=E9couvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail =20 et son interface r=E9volutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com = __________________________________________________________________________= __________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com = --Apple-Mail-9--99163264-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 19:35:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 133E73BF05; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <32951004.1171476658057.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <32951004.1171476658057.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--100508703 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:10:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:35:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--100508703 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I noticed that too but was happy to see Sting (what appeared to be) genuiinely smiling. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Feb-07, at 10:10 AM, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > i thought they sucked w/ all that pre recorded vocals and stuff- > coulda hired a trio of singers er somethin > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Daryl Shawn >> Sent: Feb 14, 2007 9:12 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour >> >> >> They delivered the goods at the Grammy's... >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sHXCs84iJc >> >> I was relieved to see this, in my opinion they kinda sucked at their >> last reunion, for the Hall of Fame induction. >> >> Daryl Shawn >> www.swanwelder.com >> > --Apple-Mail-8--100508703 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I noticed that too but was happy to see Sting (what appeared to be) genuiinely smiling. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Feb-07, at 10:10 AM, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: i thought they sucked w/ all that pre recorded vocals and stuff- coulda hired a trio of singers er somethin -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Shawn < Sent: Feb 14, 2007 9:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour They delivered the goods at the Grammy's... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sHXCs84iJc I was relieved to see this, in my opinion they kinda sucked at their last reunion, for the Hall of Fame induction. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com --Apple-Mail-8--100508703-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 20:21:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B31A53BF0E; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070214142142.xtblvs4psg8000g8@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:21:42 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping or delay? References: <00c301c7502a$a31f6260$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> In-Reply-To: <00c301c7502a$a31f6260$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Ben : > Can this be called looping? I guess not but cool anyway. > Brian May teaching the use of delay for multi harmony guitar parts. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHs87GuoOvYo > > A great way to learn scales as well. > > Ben. Awesome video! I'm inclined to think that all loops are delays but not all delays are loops= . In general I think of a delay as an effect that happens without =20 allowing or requiring interaction from the musician. Most of us would =20 likely agree that a slap echo effect that dies away quickly would =20 qualify as an effect but probably not as a "loop". I think "looping" suggests that the musician is interacting with the =20 effect such that music is being "layered". Thus, a delay that is one =20 beat long and repeats only once could be considered a loop because the =20 musician can play in time with it and play a current note against the =20 one just played. In the video above, the loop is on the order of a =20 quarter note and within each iteration he plays two eighth or four =20 sixteenth notes. In the double loop he has one period set at one beat =20 and the next at two -- 0% feedback. So, even though the delays don't =20 repeat and the period is short, he is interacting (playing in rhythm =20 and harmony) with what is playing back. Since Mr. May is interacting with the delay and building up real time =20 harmony I feel that this demo would qualify as "looping". Feedback complicates the issue since multiple feedback layers sound at =20 once, the musician/composer has more horizontal lines sounding =20 together that must "fit" into the vertical plan for the song. What about freeform/aleatoric music? Well, the same would hold -- =20 that is, the performer would listen to the previously looped material =20 and add new material based on the old. In my current work (my first foray into live looping) I utilize short =20 (one beat) loops (100% feedback) along with longer loops (say four to =20 twelve bar periods at < 100% feedback). The short loop can be built =20 up very quickly and then while it plays (providing rhythmic interest) =20 I can concentrate on building up the longer loops. (I play tonal =20 music on Theremin -- since it is a monophonic instrument to build up =20 some loops quickly is an advantage.) The different length loops have =20 unique qualities, indeed. I am new to the world of live looping however thought I'd share my =20 thoughts on the topic anyway. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 20:22:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF5443BF15; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <32951004.1171476658057.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--96098672 Message-Id: <0EE5784D-BE67-4E8D-BB9A-C0480E97FF30@midway.uchicago.edu> From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:23:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:22:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--96098672 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Feb 14, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > I noticed that too but was happy to see Sting (what appeared to be) > genuiinely smiling. Yeah...all the way to the bank. Someone told me they are getting 150 million pounds guaranteed for this tour. I can't say I blame them, really, but I'm just not into nostalgia acts. If they put out a new, vital album, then it'd be nice to see them play again. Jeff --Apple-Mail-8--96098672 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Feb 14, 2007, = at 1:10 PM, Richard Sales wrote:

I noticed that too but was happy to see Sting (what = appeared to be) genuiinely smiling.=A0
=
Yeah...all the way to the bank. Someone told me they are = getting 150 million pounds guaranteed for this tour. I can't say I blame = them, really, but I'm just not into nostalgia acts. If they put out a = new, vital album, then it'd be nice to see them play = again.

Jeff
= --Apple-Mail-8--96098672-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 20:28:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D2F33BF19; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2952427.1171484876574.JavaMail.root@web30> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:27:56 -0800 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour Cc: Jeff Shirkey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:28:02 +0000 (UTC) (150 million pounds) But, isn't that why all the old bands tour (i.e. The Who, Stones, etc.)? Guess their accountants said they need more/better cash flow. Paul Richards ---- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > On Feb 14, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > > > I noticed that too but was happy to see Sting (what appeared to be) > > genuiinely smiling. > > Yeah...all the way to the bank. Someone told me they are getting 150 > million pounds guaranteed for this tour. I can't say I blame them, > really, but I'm just not into nostalgia acts. If they put out a new, > vital album, then it'd be nice to see them play again. > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 20:41:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1CA43BF12; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:41:32 EST Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bc5.aab8e25.3304cdfc_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:41:56 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bc5.aab8e25.3304cdfc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i must respond to this.......just saw the stones for the first time here in=20 missoula, montana.=A0 yes, you read that correctly, missoula, montana.=A0 we= didn't=20 think they'd ever come here either......=A0 i produce a spotlight program fo= r=20 musician's here for montana public radio......everyone from b.b king, bela=20 fleck, eroica trio, to local artists,etc. had a chance to interview darryl= =20 jones, bass player for the stones. great guy, great interview. anyway, the actual concert was like nothing i've ever seen. i knew it woul= d=20 be a spectacle with fireworks and 10 story high tv's, etc. but i have to tel= l=20 you......i can be pretty cynical, but at least that night, the stones truly=20 gave a shit and put on a hell of show. i'm sure they need the cash flow=20 (well, by THEIR standards anyway), but i came away with a true admiration fo= r them.=20 they sincerely cared, and it was obvious. mick in particular blew me awa= y=20 with what he put into it. all strolling bones jokes aside, that guy is in=20 way better shape than i am, and i'm in pretty good shape for 44. truly a special night......AND KEITH WAS LOOPING!!!! I DEFINETLY SAW AN=20 EDP! ok, that's a joke : ) john www.johnfloridis.com --part1_bc5.aab8e25.3304cdfc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i must respond to this.......just saw t= he stones for the first time here in missoula, montana.=A0 yes, you read tha= t correctly, missoula, montana.=A0 we didn't think they'd ever come here eit= her......=A0 i produce a spotlight program for musician's here for montana p= ublic radio......everyone from b.b king, bela fleck, eroica trio, to local a= rtists,etc.  had a chance to interview darryl jones, bass player for t= he stones.  great guy, great interview.

anyway, the actual concert was like nothing i've ever seen.  i knew it= would be a spectacle with fireworks and 10 story high tv's, etc. but i have= to tell you......i can be pretty cynical, but at least that night, the ston= es truly gave a shit and put on a hell of show.  i'm sure they need th= e cash flow (well, by THEIR standards anyway), but i came away with a true a= dmiration for them.  they sincerely cared, and it was obvious.  =20= mick in particular blew me away with what he put into it.  all strolli= ng bones jokes aside, that guy is in way better shape than i am, and i'm in=20= pretty good shape for 44.

truly a special night......AND KEITH WAS LOOPING!!!!  I DEFINETLY SAW=20= AN EDP!
ok, that's a joke  : )

john
www.johnfloridis.com
--part1_bc5.aab8e25.3304cdfc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 20:44:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 140DC3BF2B; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vMCIHCVBeR2nwpJfMCw3jn3B75pEA6v+dfKP70iY+rXejJmS2Qkea92UU9BmtkVuotkWv3eK4Tv8BL9E+py7DKC17d5wv0NUpAtXwlLaM+9JXaETQXpRSJYQX7roBSelkWl0QuS00W4EQG+78c9Yr/WqIEIvcsOrD3fuVtyaVNg= ; Message-ID: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: UABWz7EVM1kjfq8OS0RvWmWrZDVAv0K1wd4Vo_XyGKAuBc1SDbKDkJEwp9z9L3MujhFaV6fUPWr29Z63zEbIknfxlE5oAl0TyuYmbo3S8nxA2430Rapx7FUhVlSftxwB7Mx2E3O0.Fw3L_E- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:44:52 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1156615246-1171485892=:28754" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:44:53 +0000 (UTC) --0-1156615246-1171485892=:28754 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit For 150 million pounds, I'd act like that guy that did the Boss RC-50 demo! Jfloridis@aol.com wrote: i must respond to this.......just saw the stones for the first time here in missoula, montana. yes, you read that correctly, missoula, montana. we didn't think they'd ever come here either...... i produce a spotlight program for musician's here for montana public radio......everyone from b.b king, bela fleck, eroica trio, to local artists,etc. had a chance to interview darryl jones, bass player for the stones. great guy, great interview. anyway, the actual concert was like nothing i've ever seen. i knew it would be a spectacle with fireworks and 10 story high tv's, etc. but i have to tell you......i can be pretty cynical, but at least that night, the stones truly gave a shit and put on a hell of show. i'm sure they need the cash flow (well, by THEIR standards anyway), but i came away with a true admiration for them. they sincerely cared, and it was obvious. mick in particular blew me away with what he put into it. all strolling bones jokes aside, that guy is in way better shape than i am, and i'm in pretty good shape for 44. truly a special night......AND KEITH WAS LOOPING!!!! I DEFINETLY SAW AN EDP! ok, that's a joke : ) john www.johnfloridis.com --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. --0-1156615246-1171485892=:28754 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit For 150 million pounds, I'd act like that guy that did the Boss RC-50 demo!

Jfloridis@aol.com wrote:
i must respond to this.......just saw the stones for the first time here in missoula, montana.  yes, you read that correctly, missoula, montana.  we didn't think they'd ever come here either......  i produce a spotlight program for musician's here for montana public radio......everyone from b.b king, bela fleck, eroica trio, to local artists,etc.  had a chance to interview darryl jones, bass player for the stones.  great guy, great interview.

anyway, the actual concert was like nothing i've ever seen.  i knew it would be a spectacle with fireworks and 10 story high tv's, etc. but i have to tell you......i can be pretty cynical, but at least that night, the stones truly gave a shit and put on a hell of show.  i'm sure they need the cash flow (well, by THEIR standards anyway), but i came away with a true admiration for them.  they sincerely cared, and it was obvious.  mick in particular blew me away with what he put into it.  all strolling bones jokes aside, that guy is in way better shape than i am, and i'm in pretty good shape for 44.

truly a special night......AND KEITH WAS LOOPING!!!!  I DEFINETLY SAW AN EDP!
ok, that's a joke  : )

john
www.johnfloridis.com


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Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. --0-1156615246-1171485892=:28754-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 22:19:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 113E63BF19; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=nIh9jB6x0fox+4Ekr6CMI0DDhoaByBfmxhOJGuXworhuO/HBeas9ux0K6l6fxe38JYIi0fLyE64EXUf1/UQIsoB65K67YU6NMznVUsEaOs++lkrHXY+TW9SiDcGsHFBNWthPR+68JqcnsKmUtONnPKxlr44SIf7SycWLcDATgC0= Message-ID: <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:19:20 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour In-Reply-To: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d2addf1a598a39f5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:19:26 +0000 (UTC) "Oh Sting, Where is thy Death?" :-D Do remember that there are only a finite number of entertainment and particularly music dollars. And even for people with unlimited funds, they only have so many nights to go out. For each dinosaur band that takes in $300 million on tour, that's $300 million that isn't going to other musicians like us. -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 00:06:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 673FC3BF24; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:06:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Wo3clceatu6IndXjDkUxALY5dV2dV5qUsg0s2Fv40G8lD23V0byPkxZ58sTlJnN6; h=Received:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: "ejyuhas" To: "'LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)'" Cc: Subject: Bethlehem, PA - 02.17.07 Gig Spam...Peter Biedermann & White Light Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:06:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01C7506B.36369CE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acc5HTu7yWBTA8n0Rwq6Fund6p4gxwXdtNiA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc92d1481cf1a01483a3edc0d88b33c08a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.69.122.141 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:06:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C7506B.36369CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Friends, loopers and countrymen. My good friend and looper extraordinaire is Peter, so I decided to post this here for him. He is not to be missed if you live in the area!! SATURDAY - FEBRUARY 17, 2007 Wildflower Cafe & Gallery 316 South New Street Bethlehem, PA 18017 (484)347-7322 8:00 p.m. A new CD White Light...Live...coming to a theater near you... Will be available at the shows. White Light is: Peter Biedermann: Acoustic & electric guitars, loops, devices Steve Meltzer: Drums, Roland Handsonic, loops Jim Stagnitto: Trumpet, loops, laptop Cheers mates... Peter http://www.peterbiedermann.com/ http://www.homegrownradionj.com/ "Sound In The Head" internet radio show - Wednesday's 9:00 p.m. - midnight ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C7506B.36369CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Friends, loopers and = countrymen…

 

My good friend and looper extraordinaire is Peter, so = I decided to post this here for him. He is not to be missed if you live in = the area!!

 

 

 

SATURDAY - FEBRUARY 17, = 2007

Wildflower Cafe & Gallery

316 South New Street

Bethlehem, PA 18017

(484)347-7322

8:00 p.m.

 

A new CD White Light...Live...coming to a theater near = you...

Will be available at the = shows.

 

White Light = is:

 

Peter Biedermann: Acoustic & electric guitars, = loops, devices

Steve Meltzer: Drums, Roland Handsonic, = loops

Jim Stagnitto: Trumpet, loops, = laptop

 

Cheers mates...

 

Peter

 

http://www.peterbiedermann.com/

 

http://www.homegrownradionj.com/

"Sound In The Head" internet radio show - Wednesday's 9:00 p.m. - midnight

 

------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C7506B.36369CE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 05:26:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1852F3BF0E; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 05:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:27:13 -0800 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: dl4 power supply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45D40B51.7070402@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Resent-Message-ID: <_Ny_-B.A.6UF.T8-0FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 05:26:44 +0000 (UTC) i just bought a dl4 without a pwr supply. upon digging through my suitcase of wallwarts i pulled out an old nintendo adapter. rated with an ouput at 9VAC/1.3A. if i get the right size tip and the correct polarity, is there any reason why this wouldn't work? or anyone know a canadian source for a suitable adapter or should i just stick with the line 6 one? shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 05:56:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FD153BF13; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 05:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <45D40B51.7070402@sasktel.net> References: <45D40B51.7070402@sasktel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0F42A233-6362-4717-B3EE-BDFE19DCDF75@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: dl4 power supply Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:56:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: <_Av1SD.A.FcG.aY_0FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 05:56:42 +0000 (UTC) have you asked this question to Line 6's support area? they have a good FAQ section Teddy On Feb 15, 2007, at 2:27 AM, Shayne Cafferata wrote: > i just bought a dl4 without a pwr supply. upon digging through my > suitcase of wallwarts i pulled out an old nintendo adapter. rated > with an ouput at 9VAC/1.3A. if i get the right size tip and the > correct polarity, is there any reason why this wouldn't work? > or > anyone know a canadian source for a suitable adapter or should i > just stick with the line 6 one? > > shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 06:24:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E4413BF1D; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D40ACD.6010507@imt.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:25:01 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dl4 power supply References: <45D40B51.7070402@sasktel.net> In-Reply-To: <45D40B51.7070402@sasktel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:24:10 +0000 (UTC) In AC output supplies, as long as the current is adequate you are usually ok. (I'm a line 6 repair center btw ) The only consideration is a really high current supply has no sag of course. so it might put out quite a bit more than 9Vac expecting that you are going to use it in an application that draws a good percentage at least of the rated power. And if you do not, then you can possibly overvoltage something. But in this case sounds like youa re in reasonable bounds and yes I've done that many times with alesis stuff or whatever that runs off AC. More typically problems happen when people try to use properly rated power supplies on a boss unit etc. where a regulated DC supply is demanded and they wonder why there is buzz. Some devices that use dc supplies don't have internal regulation and if it says you must have that unit then possibly that's the case. But obviously with an AC output supply requirement, there is no regulation at all in the wal wart unit. -Bob Shayne Cafferata wrote: > i just bought a dl4 without a pwr supply. upon digging through my > suitcase of wallwarts i pulled out an old nintendo adapter. rated with > an ouput at 9VAC/1.3A. if i get the right size tip and the correct > polarity, is there any reason why this wouldn't work? > or > anyone know a canadian source for a suitable adapter or should i just > stick with the line 6 one? > > shayne > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 07:47:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A3B63BF08; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:47:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: References: <45D40B51.7070402@sasktel.net> <45D40ACD.6010507@imt.net> In-Reply-To: <45D40ACD.6010507@imt.net> Subject: RE: dl4 power supply Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 02:47:16 -0500 Message-ID: <003e01c750d5$844f63c0$8cee2b40$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcdQyee+2DpUsdAtQ6WoHA/80MXNNQAC0Srw Content-Language: en-us X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:47:26 +0000 (UTC) If it is any help, the DL-4 actually draws a lot less than rated (more like 300mA). The adapter is AC, but it gets converted to DC as soon as it enters the pedal. I use a Visual Sounds 1-Spot to power my DL-4 as well as about 6 other Boss and DOD pedals, all daisy-chained together. Works great. Dave Eichenberger http://www.daveeichenberger.com > > Shayne Cafferata wrote: > > > i just bought a dl4 without a pwr supply. upon digging through my > > suitcase of wallwarts i pulled out an old nintendo adapter. rated with > > an ouput at 9VAC/1.3A. if i get the right size tip and the correct > > polarity, is there any reason why this wouldn't work? > > or > > anyone know a canadian source for a suitable adapter or should i just > > stick with the line 6 one? > > > > shayne > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 08:59:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A88DD3BF0E; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.84] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070214164744.CD0DB3BF14@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: soma fm Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:59:43 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2007 08:59:44.0568 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2FBAB80:01C750DF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Check it out.This internet radio has several feeds that will play submissions ,and they do lot;s of loopy stuff. _________________________________________________________________ Search for grocery stores. Find gratitude. Turn a simple search into something more. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_gratitude&FORM=WLMTAG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 09:09:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 532023BF05; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3BG2cwrgn1uAk3s1tzZ+WBmin6RN/rU23GzKHoh5HMSOTlm2v9tYZaqvjQA+b3ABhV80wBm2c3AuC6gJEHfb8XvgL7inwGuN0XvRIEL3vSmiBBOKxyS14p145p7iBoQMdl7RiS9aBzh6Cz0DGhSlP8C28mq3s+QSetXoMJySGxA=; X-YMail-OSG: tXV5hDUVM1kWW6ioBr_xtDXjUprALwdM1cVwVwhsWHLgl4177BqlrMVksY4yp59nu1_rXuQX_bPTgoOar0CXQDVqwSFB6p1HwWT5ylxRZLFCZ4ouuVp0v3xs_Ku2O64rauP9boS97oyS1q0- Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:09:25 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: dl4 power supply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45D40B51.7070402@sasktel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <969138.10919.qm@web34801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:09:27 +0000 (UTC) I used a Godlyke Powerall to power my DL-4. The DL-4 is center pin positive, so you have to use the little adaptor cable that come with the Powerall. John --- Shayne Cafferata wrote: > i just bought a dl4 without a pwr supply. upon > digging through my > suitcase of wallwarts i pulled out an old nintendo > adapter. rated with > an ouput at 9VAC/1.3A. if i get the right size tip > and the correct > polarity, is there any reason why this wouldn't > work? > or > anyone know a canadian source for a suitable adapter > or should i just > stick with the line 6 one? > > shayne > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 09:20:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D1EB3BF0A; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=IZQAiZmKj0NEABtKOvZn3S8resfCjXEszrWU7sADefY5/DNIvSjX8pincgGKkPeSKuBUi4+GQ7CYQI5WdabUzyxCYEJnHsIdBRUrKdXg7hsUKZ7+n2RVnwtnjEFCgeeX9AGdY60J4/+38kRiQ+79nyYjb70EbRkZCpfrbF08t0o=; X-YMail-OSG: A5I6atAVM1nS9DVxw8VpE.X7Dddp9cFhsGPaUmizaLd7OZpFTJd5716alOni9rrrNFW3qlTfwwxtMb7dHT0ynUpYQWq7h5vvbB45rJjikbv9t6IdhmgETqCaQXloKfxrMcZLVAcMZx35 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:20:27 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: dl4-Godlyke power all To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <969138.10919.qm@web34801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <749544.34320.qm@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3qiYr.A.qnF.dXC1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Power all from Godlyke is great and not too expencive. Rune F www.guitareffectspedals.com --- John Tidwell skrev: > I used a Godlyke Powerall to power my DL-4. The DL-4 > is center pin positive, so you have to use the > little > adaptor cable that come with the Powerall. > > John > > --- Shayne Cafferata wrote: > > > i just bought a dl4 without a pwr supply. upon > > digging through my > > suitcase of wallwarts i pulled out an old nintendo > > adapter. rated with > > an ouput at 9VAC/1.3A. if i get the right size tip > > and the correct > > polarity, is there any reason why this wouldn't > > work? > > or > > anyone know a canadian source for a suitable > adapter > > or should i just > > stick with the line 6 one? > > > > shayne > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss an email again! > Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail > arrives. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ > > www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 09:48:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F2453BF12; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:48:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Nv/HL0nZEwB+1e/7xSm2NWgAtQa3g53BOcmynBfmRRe0VfVXBRdUNFNP6iIQZ8lXYqN2+lNn0LnmwB/PuuMvBSZrS6CM+Y9xDWaPkKwuNYfEZmZIGC8Q5u08ECmIT37m44h4RLD5OEp83JpyRf+nCwgaAl638VbGQJc5vNZ8kNY= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:48:08 +0100 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dl4-Godlyke power all In-Reply-To: <749544.34320.qm@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_83259_6001701.1171532888354" References: <969138.10919.qm@web34801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <749544.34320.qm@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <75zaQB.A.83G.axC1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:48:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_83259_6001701.1171532888354 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline the voodoolab pedalpower works great too - has outlet for 2 lin6 pedals Arne www.skage.com 2007/2/15, rune fagereng : > > Power all from Godlyke is great and not too expencive. > > Rune F > www.guitareffectspedals.com > > --- John Tidwell skrev: > > > I used a Godlyke Powerall to power my DL-4. The DL-4 > > is center pin positive, so you have to use the > > little > > adaptor cable that come with the Powerall. > > > > John > > > > --- Shayne Cafferata wrote: > > > > > i just bought a dl4 without a pwr supply. upon > > > digging through my > > > suitcase of wallwarts i pulled out an old nintendo > > > adapter. rated with > > > an ouput at 9VAC/1.3A. if i get the right size tip > > > and the correct > > > polarity, is there any reason why this wouldn't > > > work? > > > or > > > anyone know a canadian source for a suitable > > adapter > > > or should i just > > > stick with the line 6 one? > > > > > > shayne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= ___________ > > Never miss an email again! > > Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail > > arrives. > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ > > > > > > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i =E9n. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > --=20 Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_Part_83259_6001701.1171532888354 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
the voodoolab pedalpower works great too - has outlet for 2 lin6 pedal= s
Arne
2007/2/15, rune fagereng <rune_fagereng@yahoo.no>:
Power all from Godlyke is great = and not too expencive.

Rune F
www.guitareffectspedals.com

--- John Tidwell <wedgehed@yahoo.com> skrev:

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www.skage.com=20 ------=_Part_83259_6001701.1171532888354-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 10:52:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FC743BF0D; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JGK3eT/AMU3YDVnAn0MpEQyiS34sv8PxXP0btuwyeD7NApgtLLbAII+zlpAvC9wW7gEkQt+9hcdL/MmPowxpwlW2ZVk59z/uGAKVMZpg/GlBlHwEYkeNs6lsKf72WJfpMYPy9P0RXIO78i5E/EpJdIxRKMKjsGMZpFgKLcZOJnw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <94581315-572D-4005-8F4F-81719865DB93@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: soma fm Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:51:59 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:52:04 +0000 (UTC) On 15 feb 2007, at 09.59, samba - wrote: > Check it out.This internet radio has several feeds that will play > submissions ,and they do lot;s of loopy stuff. I agree! They have been my fav's for years. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 11:19:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D76073BF0F; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:19:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:16:57 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <45D44129.9050606@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <3lFE-.A.arC.PHE1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:19:43 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Max Corbacho from Barcelona. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Moontribe" on Space for Music Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#feb The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "histoire d'O" by Pierre Bachelet on CAM Records and released in 1975. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and on the internet. All times are EST / GMT-5. ====================================================================== Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm ====================================================================== Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 12:06:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36A3D3BF15; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02af01c750f9$c8c6d0a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: this video just made me want to go make looping music Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 04:06:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:06:45 +0000 (UTC) play this puppy full screen. It is just amazing to watch and completely inspired to make a looping soundtrack (all kudos to the one already in place) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyyCcjbrWOM yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 13:14:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 818043BF13; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:14:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=n1D9o8/V/uXKEYD7bZOIhcmU+Vv0bWIOB9z10MiBYLvZxgfFN/J0msAMgQnZwg6nxyphflXw8JVRAwIpZUTDFHiB3nmPuigWmBRpcrFRlED5J2lps/cP1+2V8ijQvWh59vfTC3R3oV4m9GPbHIlxL7besoMgksOpc2xmJOy9zHc= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:14:12 +0100 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_84644_4348128.1171545252884" References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:14:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_84644_4348128.1171545252884 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Welcome to the cruel world of competion, its a jungle out there so go get them tiger... 2007/2/14, Tom Ritchford : > > "Oh Sting, Where is thy Death?" :-D > > Do remember that there are only a finite number of entertainment and > particularly music dollars. And even for people with unlimited funds, > they only have so many nights to go out. > > For each dinosaur band that takes in $300 million on tour, that's $300 > million that isn't going to other musicians like us. > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > > -- Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_Part_84644_4348128.1171545252884 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Welcome to the cruel world of competion, its a jungle out there so go get them tiger...

 

 



 
2007/2/14, Tom Ritchford <tom@swirly.com>:
"Oh Sting, Where is thy Death?"  :-D

Do remember that there are only a finite number of entertainment and
particularly music dollars.  And even for people with unlimited funds,
they only have so many nights to go out.

For each dinosaur band that takes in $300 million on tour, that's $300
million that isn't going to other musicians like us.

--
    /t

http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar
http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little...
http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently)




--
Arne R. Skage jr.

91157204
arne@skage.com
www.skage.com ------=_Part_84644_4348128.1171545252884-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 14:53:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E28153BF0E; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Steve Mark" To: Subject: LooperTools Pro Released Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:52:37 -0800 Organization: On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <013f01c75110$ef9c8f50$ced5adf0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0140_01C750CD.E1794F50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: AcdREO13Z8lPQAMrQ9eYJnAbKV5Olg== Content-Language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AYea AtXe BiNi BiRR Bxgb B0SV DFmS Ej8s GWuv G++a HmOA Hzjd IFwP Jd35 JlLg Ko27;1;bABvAG8AcABlAHIAcwAtAGQAZQBsAGkAZwBoAHQAQABsAG8AbwBwAGUAcgBzAC0AZABlAGwAaQBnAGgAdAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sosha1_v1;7;{E076B317-44EE-4FD6-819D-264DCD92E81B};cwB0AGUAdgBlAEAAbwB0AG0AcwAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:52:34 GMT;TABvAG8AcABlAHIAVABvAG8AbABzACAAUAByAG8AIABSAGUAbABlAGEAcwBlAGQA x-cr-puzzleid: {E076B317-44EE-4FD6-819D-264DCD92E81B} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:53:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0140_01C750CD.E1794F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a quick update to let you all know that LooperTools, Windows software for managing your DigiTech JamMan, has been updated. We have also released the Pro version which includes a number of effects and filters that you can apply to your loops, as well as on-the-fly conversion of MP3 files to JamMan compatible WAV files. A full list of the changes and free, 21-day trial downloads are available at www.LooperTools.com . Have a great day! Steve Mark On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. Maker of LooperTools ------=_NextPart_000_0140_01C750CD.E1794F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just a quick update to let you all know that = LooperTools, Windows software for managing your DigiTech JamMan, has been updated.  =

 

We have also released the Pro version which = includes a number of effects and filters that you can apply to your loops, as well = as on-the-fly conversion of MP3 files to JamMan compatible WAV = files.

 

A full list of the changes and free, 21-day trial = downloads are available at www.LooperTools.com = .

 

Have a great day!

 

Steve Mark

On-The-Mark Systems, Inc.

Maker of LooperTools

------=_NextPart_000_0140_01C750CD.E1794F50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 15:15:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68FC63BF1D; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=mz6L7NIeT+oHG8O9HUrUCdFy9i+RkgswULhlcpMwUhVKWtQV2u/9Esbk3aM8YJVjLNsOsyD9yJSj+Ri8/Fj0NycwrR8FJitAV7W2RUrkIT8nODc1eI2lLhRB/ffwOtdaH7jX1wPgclsW18JeLoEQz2ZEhJ2fCXLTdz3UczjbBRI= ; X-YMail-OSG: L_9UOUAVM1lPduSgNcY1Lzs8kJ5DSxGBVS6ePTHsDK38TEP0ziH0vWTE9BTeMKD7Cw-- Message-ID: <006401c75114$1bd94c90$a1f6684a@waynerfsko8185> From: "Wayne Eagles" To: Subject: EDP footpedal... Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:15:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01C750EA.30F28D00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <8fd8KD.A.csB.KkH1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:15:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C750EA.30F28D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all - long time lurker, first time poster. I bought a new Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro several months ago - what a = great device!=20 Problem is the foot controller has been back-ordered for ages. My EDP = has kind of been an expensive paper weight for four months now... I'm anxious to get using it for gigs/sessions and understand the foot = controllers are expected this month. Sure hope that's the case. Thanks to Andre LaFosse and David Torn for advice re: using a MIDI = controller w/ the EDP, though I haven't jumped yet (hey, I'm not that = bright and have little MIDI experience).=20 In any case, just a quick 'hi' from Canada's Capital (Ottawa) - looking = forward to contributing further as I get using this thing.=20 Cheers, Wayne Eagles http://WayneEagles.com http://milligan-eaglesproject.com http://myspace.com/wayneeagles ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C750EA.30F28D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all - long time lurker, first = time=20 poster.
 
I bought a new Gibson Echoplex Digital=20 Pro several months ago - what a great device!
 
Problem is the foot controller has = been=20 back-ordered for ages. My EDP has kind of been an expensive paper weight = for=20 four months now...
 
I'm anxious to get using it for=20 gigs/sessions and understand the foot controllers are expected this = month.=20 Sure hope that's the case.
 
Thanks to Andre LaFosse and David Torn = for advice=20 re: using a MIDI controller w/ the EDP, though I haven't jumped yet = (hey,=20 I'm not that bright and have little MIDI experience).
 
In any case, just a quick 'hi' from = Canada's=20 Capital (Ottawa) - looking forward to contributing further as I get = using=20 this thing.
 
Cheers,
Wayne Eagles
http://WayneEagles.com
http://milligan-eaglesproject.= com
http://myspace.com/wayneeagles=20
------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C750EA.30F28D00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 16:08:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 370CC3BF0E; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: soma fm Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:08:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: b73d3db6-bd0e-11db-8638-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtcZ1U4Cld1 UkhJRUJTEg9oCRYB BVAYVQdzfw1Yen1x e0dlX29ZWUZ/akYz Hk8iYmtUPGZga2kd VUIWfgpTPlFNfUtG PgJ5SSFZYTAaZ3s0 FUpjYWtheG0HcX0F Hw1Wcg0ZSFAxE2x0 XBcHFH0hGCVk X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:556/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:08:11 +0000 (UTC) one of my favorite stations. i'm a regular listener! On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:59 AM, samba - wrote: > > Check it out.This internet radio has several feeds that will play > submissions ,and they do lot;s of loopy stuff. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Search for grocery stores. Find gratitude. Turn a simple search > into something more. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/ > default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_gratitude&FORM=WLMTAG > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 16:20:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A2273BF17; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1396.12.196.84.222.1171556440.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <006401c75114$1bd94c90$a1f6684a@waynerfsko8185> References: <006401c75114$1bd94c90$a1f6684a@waynerfsko8185> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:20:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: EDP footpedal... From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Wayne they're easy to build, did you look into it? > Hello all - long time lurker, first time poster. > > I bought a new Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro several months ago - what a > great device! > > Problem is the foot controller has been back-ordered for ages. My EDP has > kind of been an expensive paper weight for four months now... > > I'm anxious to get using it for gigs/sessions and understand the foot > controllers are expected this month. Sure hope that's the case. > > Thanks to Andre LaFosse and David Torn for advice re: using a MIDI > controller w/ the EDP, though I haven't jumped yet (hey, I'm not that > bright and have little MIDI experience). > > In any case, just a quick 'hi' from Canada's Capital (Ottawa) - looking > forward to contributing further as I get using this thing. > > Cheers, > Wayne Eagles > http://WayneEagles.com > http://milligan-eaglesproject.com > http://myspace.com/wayneeagles From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 16:26:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 667533BF26; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:26:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=dwAsireLN6ADMK2GjH7gBOF5VuB72WIfTtbSgNMaNE2oJ5nz/fvAjpgLrHEwSJPE8GzXxRRhV2jPbMHPkyLx+NfGaNrCInyqgxtxBcI2qxUD3Mb1UfEhIdk6FNgwrPU0mlyDES0jy+7nKDqeSCTgniS32qBQZA/HbnS6XZq7YQ4= ; X-YMail-OSG: .Rml6akVM1moC6T7KublPZqE2eQg3SalI0puuxPunXaK36d2yHxhRoPb6Ya3aUhUYQ-- Message-ID: <008a01c7511e$1c6d43a0$a1f6684a@waynerfsko8185> From: "Wayne Eagles" To: References: <006401c75114$1bd94c90$a1f6684a@waynerfsko8185> <1396.12.196.84.222.1171556440.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Subject: Re: EDP footpedal... Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:26:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <7_jCC.A.koE.QnI1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:26:56 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the reply, Mike. No, I haven't looked into building one... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: Re: EDP footpedal... > Wayne they're easy to build, did you look into it? > >> Hello all - long time lurker, first time poster. >> >> I bought a new Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro several months ago - what a >> great device! >> >> Problem is the foot controller has been back-ordered for ages. My EDP has >> kind of been an expensive paper weight for four months now... >> >> I'm anxious to get using it for gigs/sessions and understand the foot >> controllers are expected this month. Sure hope that's the case. >> >> Thanks to Andre LaFosse and David Torn for advice re: using a MIDI >> controller w/ the EDP, though I haven't jumped yet (hey, I'm not that >> bright and have little MIDI experience). >> >> In any case, just a quick 'hi' from Canada's Capital (Ottawa) - looking >> forward to contributing further as I get using this thing. >> >> Cheers, >> Wayne Eagles >> http://WayneEagles.com >> http://milligan-eaglesproject.com >> http://myspace.com/wayneeagles From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 16:57:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A48073BF24; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <02af01c750f9$c8c6d0a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <02af01c750f9$c8c6d0a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-17--22090517 Message-Id: <67da4466be356ea137564b9341fff621@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT: this video just made me want to go make looping music Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:57:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:57:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-17--22090517 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed It's quite funny! I love it when the eagle deflates. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 15-Feb-07, at 4:06 AM, RICK WALKER wrote: > play this puppy full screen. It is just amazing to watch and > completely inspired to make a looping soundtrack (all kudos to the one > already in place) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyyCcjbrWOM > > yours, Rick > --Apple-Mail-17--22090517 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII It's quite funny! I love it when the eagle deflates. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 15-Feb-07, at 4:06 AM, RICK WALKER wrote: play this puppy full screen. It is just amazing to watch and completely inspired to make a looping soundtrack (all kudos to the one already in place) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyyCcjbrWOM yours, Rick --Apple-Mail-17--22090517-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 17:40:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85AB73BF21; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:40:17 -0600 From: "Sandy Rowles" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: resetting loops MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_151101_26583822.1171561217276" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:40:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_151101_26583822.1171561217276 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In Loop IV, is there anyway to reset a loop that you aren't currently in? If I am playing in loop#2, can I reset loop#3 before I switch to it? I tried doing it by hitting nextloop-reset current, but it still just resets the current loop. Any ideas? ------=_Part_151101_26583822.1171561217276 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In Loop IV, is there anyway to reset a loop that you aren't currently in? If I am playing in loop#2, can I reset loop#3 before I switch to it? I tried doing it by hitting nextloop-reset current, but it still just resets the current loop. Any ideas?
------=_Part_151101_26583822.1171561217276-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 17:44:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 271593BF22; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:44:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DKK7gHsO0Cjnxo5b5JAnYHer0e04uUHgiYpBJo2TilL5Ccs2dWvPH9HmBGvIjfqkwtZalqi1j5EqulG7aaBrk1zOtA34zLqAFv0AsH4eYv814+YBuOPEjiAh6/a7aVmzYrf+DRjoAB10NiZXhQE2GCtm7ZEJQfBtyYxDHrYslng= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:44:47 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: resetting loops In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_132302_3803618.1171561487230" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:44:54 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_132302_3803618.1171561487230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If you're using a MIDI controller you can define some of the footswitches to direct loop access, i.e. Loop1, Loop2, etc. While Loop2 is playing, press the Loop3 button twice and it'll go to the waiting display (if you have the loopswitching quantized) and then start recording at the end of Loop2 (if you have autorecord enabled). TravisH On 2/15/07, Sandy Rowles wrote: > > In Loop IV, is there anyway to reset a loop that you aren't currently in? > If I am playing in loop#2, can I reset loop#3 before I switch to it? I tried > doing it by hitting nextloop-reset current, but it still just resets the > current loop. Any ideas? > ------=_Part_132302_3803618.1171561487230 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If you're using a MIDI controller you can define some of the footswitches to direct loop access, i.e. Loop1, Loop2, etc.  While Loop2 is playing, press the Loop3 button twice and it'll go to the waiting display (if you have the loopswitching quantized) and then start recording at the end of Loop2 (if you have autorecord enabled).

TravisH

On 2/15/07, Sandy Rowles <sandy@pajiba.com> wrote:
In Loop IV, is there anyway to reset a loop that you aren't currently in? If I am playing in loop#2, can I reset loop#3 before I switch to it? I tried doing it by hitting nextloop-reset current, but it still just resets the current loop. Any ideas?

------=_Part_132302_3803618.1171561487230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 17:56:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4190A3BF13; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:56:47 -0600 From: "Sandy Rowles" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: resetting loops In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_151297_20241690.1171562207997" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:56:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_151297_20241690.1171562207997 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Awesome!!! That was what I was looking for! Thanks so much! On 2/15/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > If you're using a MIDI controller you can define some of the footswitches > to direct loop access, i.e. Loop1, Loop2, etc. While Loop2 is playing, > press the Loop3 button twice and it'll go to the waiting display (if you > have the loopswitching quantized) and then start recording at the end of > Loop2 (if you have autorecord enabled). > > TravisH > > On 2/15/07, Sandy Rowles wrote: > > > > In Loop IV, is there anyway to reset a loop that you aren't currently > > in? If I am playing in loop#2, can I reset loop#3 before I switch to it? I > > tried doing it by hitting nextloop-reset current, but it still just resets > > the current loop. Any ideas? > > > > ------=_Part_151297_20241690.1171562207997 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Awesome!!! That was what I was looking for! Thanks so much!

On 2/15/07, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com > wrote:
If you're using a MIDI controller you can define some of the footswitches to direct loop access, i.e. Loop1, Loop2, etc.  While Loop2 is playing, press the Loop3 button twice and it'll go to the waiting display (if you have the loopswitching quantized) and then start recording at the end of Loop2 (if you have autorecord enabled).

TravisH


On 2/15/07, Sandy Rowles < sandy@pajiba.com> wrote:
In Loop IV, is there anyway to reset a loop that you aren't currently in? If I am playing in loop#2, can I reset loop#3 before I switch to it? I tried doing it by hitting nextloop-reset current, but it still just resets the current loop. Any ideas?


------=_Part_151297_20241690.1171562207997-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 18:50:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD7E83BF20; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D4AB7D.6030707@hevanet.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:50:37 -0800 From: David Auker User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP footpedal... References: <006401c75114$1bd94c90$a1f6684a@waynerfsko8185> In-Reply-To: <006401c75114$1bd94c90$a1f6684a@waynerfsko8185> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Wayne Eagles wrote: > I'm anxious to get using it for gigs/sessions and understand the foot > controllers are expected this month. Sure hope that's the case. > > Thanks to Andre LaFosse and David Torn for advice re: using a MIDI > controller w/ the EDP, though I haven't jumped yet (hey, I'm not that > bright and have little MIDI experience). I'm not that MIDI-bright (acoustical piano guy), but I have set the Behringer FCB1010 up to control the EDP, and it works great! Just takes wading in and pushing the buttons just like the FCB manual tells you. I think there is a detailed step-by-step tutorial somewhere (Travis?) that makes it even easier. With the MIDI control, you'll have way more options (and be able to customize which buttons do what), and I think durability is an issue, as well. The FCB does a lot, and probably costs about the same(?). Go for it! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 18:54:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FC713BF1D; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:54:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=aVn/tWFG6djoWq4M2dq+c+KTLB6bRSCxzJzfDI7zHFTukKCAf2/Y5qfWtSRmw9pDi/EtgTPNsySNdtlWYK5bfTQ1txAU/3Wie/wx9gLcEwIqP1sMFtdfM1OdlcKznvg4kX1aaM3LOemAtmdMxFcgCj1ktQfL6qr6fHPbp2asc7M= ; X-YMail-OSG: Pxbwxn8VM1njLP6me8p.LPVm5RWubhWS4qhOesuCmutFA.QdebayvB2b8NoTeiX68g-- Message-ID: <00fc01c75132$ade41890$a1f6684a@waynerfsko8185> From: "Wayne Eagles" To: References: <006401c75114$1bd94c90$a1f6684a@waynerfsko8185> <45D4AB7D.6030707@hevanet.com> Subject: Re: EDP footpedal... Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:54:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:54:11 +0000 (UTC) Thank you, David. Will check it out for sure... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Auker" To: Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: Re: EDP footpedal... > Wayne Eagles wrote: >> I'm anxious to get using it for gigs/sessions and understand the foot >> controllers are expected this month. Sure hope that's the case. >> >> Thanks to Andre LaFosse and David Torn for advice re: using a MIDI >> controller w/ the EDP, though I haven't jumped yet (hey, I'm not that >> bright and have little MIDI experience). > I'm not that MIDI-bright (acoustical piano guy), but I have set the > Behringer FCB1010 up to control the EDP, and it works great! Just takes > wading in and pushing the buttons just like the FCB manual tells you. I > think there is a detailed step-by-step tutorial somewhere (Travis?) that > makes it even easier. With the MIDI control, you'll have way more > options (and be able to customize which buttons do what), and I think > durability is an issue, as well. The FCB does a lot, and probably costs > about the same(?). > > Go for it! > > David > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 19:19:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A27B13BF17; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:19:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1677.12.196.84.222.1171567136.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <1396.12.196.84.222.1171556440.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> References: <006401c75114$1bd94c90$a1f6684a@waynerfsko8185> <1396.12.196.84.222.1171556440.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:18:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: EDP footpedal... From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <6Qhg8.A.GWF.oIL1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:19:04 +0000 (UTC) Switches $15, a couple bucks for resistors and a connector and some solder and voila! Plus you can give yourself more room on the layout. ~peace~ M > Wayne they're easy to build, did you look into it? > >> Hello all - long time lurker, first time poster. >> >> I bought a new Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro several months ago - what a >> great device! >> >> Problem is the foot controller has been back-ordered for ages. My EDP >> has >> kind of been an expensive paper weight for four months now... >> >> I'm anxious to get using it for gigs/sessions and understand the foot >> controllers are expected this month. Sure hope that's the case. >> >> Thanks to Andre LaFosse and David Torn for advice re: using a MIDI >> controller w/ the EDP, though I haven't jumped yet (hey, I'm not that >> bright and have little MIDI experience). >> >> In any case, just a quick 'hi' from Canada's Capital (Ottawa) - looking >> forward to contributing further as I get using this thing. >> >> Cheers, >> Wayne Eagles >> http://WayneEagles.com >> http://milligan-eaglesproject.com >> http://myspace.com/wayneeagles > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 19:22:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 313993BF1F; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:22:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=AEu07d0on2WhFN9moBtyNnGf2yFXzeSXztwIgbXeEzzXdGpE9ryfM46DPv5udWJTscgRnyvdJ7kSAQFgaW2TKVXqxMLeztGSiPBIJHyAPEwVchKdnFzbD8oWLs2Akb0AjtOS4+M9ygm31X8omDu4Pvpzaay3t/AV59xPHyeXMEM= Message-ID: <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:22:02 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: arne@skage.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 93f70d23f3ea86d4 Resent-Message-ID: <0q8mb.A.9kF.dLL1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:22:05 +0000 (UTC) On 2/15/07, Arne R. Skage jr wrote: > Welcome to the cruel world of competion, its a jungle out there so go get > them tiger... That argument worked a lot better a few decades ago when there was a flat playing field and actual musicians could do pretty well. Tell me -- aside from dinosaur acts, what current top 10 musician/pop star is famous for their musicianship? > > > > > > > > 2007/2/14, Tom Ritchford : > > "Oh Sting, Where is thy Death?" :-D > > > > Do remember that there are only a finite number of entertainment and > > particularly music dollars. And even for people with unlimited funds, > > they only have so many nights to go out. > > > > For each dinosaur band that takes in $300 million on tour, that's $300 > > million that isn't going to other musicians like us. > > > > -- > > /t > > > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > > > > > > > > -- > Arne R. Skage jr. > > 91157204 > arne@skage.com > www.skage.com -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 19:39:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7E7F3BF2C; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: OT: The Police on Tour Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:39:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcdRNpTOfStMCB2iTTKkzY05SrzBawAAhbYg In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070215193914.80D2A3BF13@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0G36XD.A.dxG.jbL1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Gavin DeGraw, Norah Jones and John Mayer off the top of my head. > -----Original Message----- > From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On Behalf > Of Tom Ritchford > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:22 PM > To: arne@skage.com > Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour > > On 2/15/07, Arne R. Skage jr wrote: > > Welcome to the cruel world of competion, its a jungle out there so go > get > > them tiger... > > That argument worked a lot better a few decades ago when there was a > flat playing field and actual musicians could do pretty well. > > Tell me -- aside from dinosaur acts, what current top 10 musician/pop > star is famous for their musicianship? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/2/14, Tom Ritchford : > > > "Oh Sting, Where is thy Death?" :-D > > > > > > Do remember that there are only a finite number of entertainment and > > > particularly music dollars. And even for people with unlimited funds, > > > they only have so many nights to go out. > > > > > > For each dinosaur band that takes in $300 million on tour, that's $300 > > > million that isn't going to other musicians like us. > > > > > > -- > > > /t > > > > > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > > > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Arne R. Skage jr. > > > > 91157204 > > arne@skage.com > > www.skage.com > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 19:42:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35B573BF30; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:42:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D4B78E.1010306@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:42:06 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5F2Y2C.A.-BH.TeL1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:42:12 +0000 (UTC) That pan-sexual runt from Minnesota who played at the super bowl, for one... Anyway, this is a huge topic and I'm not a huge authority, but I think since the Net has exploded that the playing field is remarkably flat compared to the 80's-early 90's. There are those top-10'ers doing light-saber battles in the clouds, but after their hit and a year or two they tumble down as well. The Dixies Chicks aren't my brand of music, but they aren't teen dreams (all in their 30's, actually), can verifiably play and write, and have integrity to burn. The Peppers can play their sweaty asses off and have been doing so for 20-some years. These were the big winners at the Grammy's, and while that's a fairly meaningless event, it provides a good barometer of public interest. Did you know that His Royal Badness is the only non-major-label artist ever to play at that overblown gladitorial contest? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > On 2/15/07, Arne R. Skage jr wrote: >> Welcome to the cruel world of competion, its a jungle out there so go >> get >> them tiger... > > That argument worked a lot better a few decades ago when there was a > flat playing field and actual musicians could do pretty well. > > Tell me -- aside from dinosaur acts, what current top 10 musician/pop > star is famous for their musicianship? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 19:52:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C1EF3BF32; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45D4B78E.1010306@mhorse.com> References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> <45D4B78E.1010306@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <76F571C2-0643-4CA7-8C79-290C2DEB0599@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: john floridis Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:52:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 69.145.124.236 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:52:44 +0000 (UTC) i'm not a fan of big country arena acts, but i have to say brad paisley and keth urban can rip into their guitars pretty impressively... ditto the thoughts on john mayer, norah jones (simple but tasetful), the chicks (my friend susan gibson wrote "wide open spaces") and of course prince..... that said, among the huge acts.....well to quote prince when he was asked during an interview on t.v. (mtv maybe?) what was missing from today's music, he replied.... "musicians..." oh, does tori amos count? ani difranco? john From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 20:04:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FF7F3BF28; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D4BCB5.7040607@infinivert.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:04:05 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> <45D4B78E.1010306@mhorse.com> <76F571C2-0643-4CA7-8C79-290C2DEB0599@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <76F571C2-0643-4CA7-8C79-290C2DEB0599@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Lesser known, but I'd throw in Jonatha Brooke and (oh yeah) Imogen Heap (!) Also, I'd say groups like Muse and The Mars Volta showcase some fairly incredible musicianship in a harder style Though I completely agree that musicianship has taken a hit in the public priority, I'd say that the future looks brighter as the industry weakens and the independent musician grows stronger (thanks to the web) --Josh john floridis wrote: > i'm not a fan of big country arena acts, but i have to say brad > paisley and keth urban can rip into their guitars pretty impressively... > > ditto the thoughts on john mayer, norah jones (simple but tasetful), > the chicks (my friend susan gibson wrote "wide open spaces") and of > course prince..... > > that said, among the huge acts.....well to quote prince when he was > asked during an interview on t.v. (mtv maybe?) what was missing from > today's music, he replied.... > > "musicians..." > > oh, does tori amos count? ani difranco? > > john > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 20:05:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 665B33BF3B; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:05:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <32857950.1171569917048.JavaMail.root@web39> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:05:17 -0800 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour Cc: Daryl Shawn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:05:18 +0000 (UTC) Well, diversity's all the rage in the NFL. -- Paul Richards ---- Daryl Shawn wrote: > That pan-sexual runt from Minnesota who played at the super bowl, for one... > > Anyway, this is a huge topic and I'm not a huge authority, but I think > since the Net has exploded that the playing field is remarkably flat > compared to the 80's-early 90's. There are those top-10'ers doing > light-saber battles in the clouds, but after their hit and a year or two > they tumble down as well. The Dixies Chicks aren't my brand of music, > but they aren't teen dreams (all in their 30's, actually), can > verifiably play and write, and have integrity to burn. The Peppers can > play their sweaty asses off and have been doing so for 20-some years. > These were the big winners at the Grammy's, and while that's a fairly > meaningless event, it provides a good barometer of public interest. > > Did you know that His Royal Badness is the only non-major-label artist > ever to play at that overblown gladitorial contest? > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > On 2/15/07, Arne R. Skage jr wrote: > >> Welcome to the cruel world of competion, its a jungle out there so go > >> get > >> them tiger... > > > > That argument worked a lot better a few decades ago when there was a > > flat playing field and actual musicians could do pretty well. > > > > Tell me -- aside from dinosaur acts, what current top 10 musician/pop > > star is famous for their musicianship? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 20:41:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 734103BEDE; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <32857950.1171569917048.JavaMail.root@web39> References: <32857950.1171569917048.JavaMail.root@web39> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <02B68CCC-0D20-427B-9EAB-C449E3383325@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: john floridis Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:41:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 69.145.124.236 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:41:42 +0000 (UTC) he's not as popular as he once was, but how about bruce hornsby? or speaking of bruce's how about bruce cockburn? well, he's HUGE in canda. both outstanding musicians, and hornsby had several hits. john From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 20:42:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D5703BF2B; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:42:14 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: Re: OT: The Police on Tour X-Originating-IP: [66.202.20.46] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <17457306.4423641171572135075.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:42:20 +0000 (UTC) From: Tom Ritchford Date: 2007/02/15 Thu PM 01:22:02 CST To: arne@skage.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour On 2/15/07, Arne R. Skage jr wrote: > Welcome to the cruel world of competion, its a jungle out there so go get > them tiger... That argument worked a lot better a few decades ago when there was a flat playing field and actual musicians could do pretty well. Tell me -- aside from dinosaur acts, what current top 10 musician/pop star is famous for their musicianship? >John Mayer, Brad Paisley, Prince, Norah Jones, Alison Kraus, the Dixie Chicks > > > > > > > 2007/2/14, Tom Ritchford : > > "Oh Sting, Where is thy Death?" :-D > > > > Do remember that there are only a finite number of entertainment and > > particularly music dollars. And even for people with unlimited funds, > > they only have so many nights to go out. > > > > For each dinosaur band that takes in $300 million on tour, that's $300 > > million that isn't going to other musicians like us. > > > > -- > > /t > > > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > > > > > > > > -- > Arne R. Skage jr. > > 91157204 > arne@skage.com > www.skage.com -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 20:49:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A70A43BF2E; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <17457306.4423641171572135075.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> References: <17457306.4423641171572135075.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6E2A170A-F14F-4066-8EBA-9B564BAF7077@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: john floridis Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:48:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 69.145.124.236 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:49:09 +0000 (UTC) yeah, alison krauss for sure. she may be one of the most underated musician's of all time. you get lost in the angelic voice and good looks, you forget that all those tremendous fiddle solos are hers. anyone who can hang with jerry douglas in her band would have to be pretty bad-ass. i interviewed her as well.....she mentioned an interest in putting a boomerang in her signal chain when i spoke to her...... (again, a lie.....well, i did interview her....) john From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 21:31:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8ABC23BF36; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:31:33 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: Re: OT: The Police on Tour X-Originating-IP: [66.202.20.46] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <16871981.2545311171575093477.JavaMail.root@vms064.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Actually, it would be interesting if she got one of those Ithaca Strings Violetrics and a Boomerang, nice! From: john floridis Date: 2007/02/15 Thu PM 02:48:52 CST To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour yeah, alison krauss for sure. she may be one of the most underated musician's of all time. you get lost in the angelic voice and good looks, you forget that all those tremendous fiddle solos are hers. anyone who can hang with jerry douglas in her band would have to be pretty bad-ass. i interviewed her as well.....she mentioned an interest in putting a boomerang in her signal chain when i spoke to her...... (again, a lie.....well, i did interview her....) john From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 21:45:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A89583BF44; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:45:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: Subject: Playing a round with the RC-50 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:45:29 -0500 Message-ID: <006701c7514a$9c6ae770$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcdRSpwQ79n5ndevQxGa8TFt3p2G1g== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:45:10 +0000 (UTC) Well, I really mean singing a round. One would think that there is an easy way to do this, but I can't find = it. Here's the problem: I want to sing a round using the RC-50. So I = connect a microphone to it, turn off the rhythm guide, put it in overdub mode, and start singing the first part. When I'm done, I want to start singing the second part along with the = first part. But if I hit the record/play pedal, it puts me in play mode. I = have to hit it twice to go into overdub, by which time I've lost tempo. So how do I go about it without having to wait for the round to come = around again? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 21:49:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9579F3BF43; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:49:35 +0000 Message-Id: <021520072149.19578.45D4D56F0004A3BE00004C7A2216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19578_1171576175_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:49:38 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19578_1171576175_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The problem is that radio sucks. Not music. You want virtuosity? Check out the Jam Bands. Umphrys McGee, Phish, Moe, RAQ, The Breakfast, et al. I know Krispen had a tirade against these guys a while ago. (which is odd, you would think an ambient musician would have a more open mind.) Of course theres Keller. Love him or hate him, he can play. Get Sirius radio. TONS of great music out there. -------------- Original message -------------- From: john floridis > i'm not a fan of big country arena acts, but i have to say brad > paisley and keth urban can rip into their guitars pretty impressively... > > ditto the thoughts on john mayer, norah jones (simple but tasetful), > the chicks (my friend susan gibson wrote "wide open spaces") and of > course prince..... > > that said, among the huge acts.....well to quote prince when he was > asked during an interview on t.v. (mtv maybe?) what was missing from > today's music, he replied.... > > "musicians..." > > oh, does tori amos count? ani difranco? > > john > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19578_1171576175_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
The problem is that radio sucks. Not music. You want virtuosity? Check out the Jam Bands. Umphrys McGee, Phish, Moe, RAQ, The Breakfast, et al. I know Krispen had a tirade against these guys a while ago. (which is odd, you would think an ambient musician would have a more open mind.) Of course theres Keller. Love him or hate him, he can play.
 
Get Sirius radio. TONS of great music out there.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: john floridis <jfloridis@aol.com>

> i'm not a fan of big country arena acts, but i have to say brad
> paisley and keth urban can rip into their guitars pretty impressively...
>
> ditto the thoughts on john mayer, norah jones (simple but tasetful),
> the chicks (my friend susan gibson wrote "wide open spaces") and of
> course prince.....
>
> that said, among the huge acts.....well to quote prince when he was
> asked during an interview on t.v. (mtv maybe?) what was missing from
> today's music, he replied....
>
> "musicians..."
>
> oh, does tori amos count? ani difranco?
>
> john
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19578_1171576175_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 21:56:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 696633BF42; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070215155648.6cy4g3w8um8k0go4@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:56:48 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Playing a round with the RC-50 References: <006701c7514a$9c6ae770$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> In-Reply-To: <006701c7514a$9c6ae770$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <1yeKOC.A.snF.icN1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Andrew Koenig : > When I'm done, I want to start singing the second part along with the first > part. But if I hit the record/play pedal, it puts me in play mode. I have > to hit it twice to go into overdub, by which time I've lost tempo. > > So how do I go about it without having to wait for the round to come around > again? (Check pg. 69 in the owner's manual) In the system settings, you can set the REC Pdl Act to REC->OVERDUB and the RC50 will switch directly to overdub mode without first going into PLAY. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 21:57:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C6693BF4A; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:57:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.3.233] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070215174455.C43A93BF21@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V07 #105 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:56:55 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2007 21:57:00.0573 (UTC) FILETIME=[38354CD0:01C7514C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:57:02 +0000 (UTC) Yes very good y'all listen to Soma,I dig it.But my point was that they invite artists to submit work,ie they'll play your stuff. _________________________________________________________________ Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 22:10:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 457513BF4B; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <021520072149.19578.45D4D56F0004A3BE00004C7A2216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <021520072149.19578.45D4D56F0004A3BE00004C7A2216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: john floridis Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:10:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 69.145.124.236 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:10:22 +0000 (UTC) to be fair to tom who first pondered this question, i think he meant major label acts, top ten, top forty....arena and stadium fillers.....the ones who end up in people magazine.....not that that's anything to be aspiring to... just thought of another one, though she's not known for it, if i'm not mistaken sheryl crow can play something like a dozen instruments....not a "player's player", but solid. shawn colvin, though she's dropped in popularity, is still putting out good stuff, and you'll find most acoustic guitarists recognize her playing....very distinctive and strong player. nothing fancy, but you can tell it's her. jf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 22:42:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 120413BF41; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D4E1D5.8070107@infinivert.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:42:29 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour References: <021520072149.19578.45D4D56F0004A3BE00004C7A2216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Muse, who I mentioned earlier, is filling stadiums... --Josh john floridis wrote: > to be fair to tom who first pondered this question, i think he meant > major label acts, top ten, top forty....arena and stadium > fillers.....the ones who end up in people magazine.....not that that's > anything to be aspiring to... > > just thought of another one, though she's not known for it, if i'm not > mistaken sheryl crow can play something like a dozen > instruments....not a "player's player", but solid. shawn colvin, > though she's dropped in popularity, is still putting out good stuff, > and you'll find most acoustic guitarists recognize her playing....very > distinctive and strong player. nothing fancy, but you can tell it's her. > > jf > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 22:45:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BE3C3BF48; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.3.233] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070215215702.1996A3BF52@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: police dino tours Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:45:33 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2007 22:45:35.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[01CA7790:01C75153] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:45:38 +0000 (UTC) The Police and the Talking Heads were the last commercial.rock/pop acts I liked ,haven'tlistened to commercial music since then.Was already steeped in all sorts of wierdnessand hadn't seen a stadium show in years,though I'd probably been to 150 of them in the early 70s. I saw the Police on their last tour.and while I enjoyed it,it was far from great,they obviously were doing the same rehearsed set every night,all the lighting cues,etc. were choreographed.I find note for note reproductions of recorded songs the most boring thing in the world.I don't caer about being impressed by skill-why would I see a rock band if I was?.Summers did some nice guitar synth,Copeland'sm time feel seemed rushed,having been a long time reggae fan I could never understand why some people found his style so fresh,it was like reggae on too much coffee,But I liked his textural ideas and use of electronics. The bass sound pounded one in the chest to a degree that was really obnoxious. The sound while presumably state of the art was not that good.I'd seen the grateful dead the nigt before ( outside) and their sound was a thousand times better. I stopped going to stadium shows because they're terrible placs for music. I've played a few and worked a alot as a stage hand ,but I would never pay for one. Please notice that the dinos are touring to make money-because that's where the money is.Merchandise is a big part,but live music creates a sense of community that humans need.Anyone that can deliver live should be able to work. _________________________________________________________________ >From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards® http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 23:20:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 181903BF14; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:20:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=cORGdt0TNHU/wqxuNdsVAx3gkla7a7jawGQSyfbEfTfQv2cvuJ9U962vKvyoo6/W; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <6768177.1171581602275.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:20:02 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 303a3acd514d41c871639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da94088bee0db32acbd28480695258f062009350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.49 Resent-Message-ID: <_6EFO.A.gLC.kqO1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:20:04 +0000 (UTC) Just to chime in here, I have to ask the question "Were you moved? Were you entertained?". Those to me, are the only criteria. I have seen alot of great instrumentalists and vocalists who were at the very height of their craft, amazing prowess in physical and technical aspects, that were duller than rotting vegetables (to me). I've seen people with limited instrumental skill and prowess be immensely moving and/or entertaining. The converse is also true. I have seen incredibly moving/entertaining musicians who were mind-f**kingly skillful and those who were of dubious prowess be unlistenable. Much like beauty, it is all in the eye of the beholder. Not that I particularly want to help Sting add on to his 14th Century Castle next to Stonehenge etc., but if he comes out and plays live somewhere where I can see him, at a price I am willing to pay, in this case anywhere from 75.00 to 300.00 about six miles from my house, I will do so. It is what the market will support. The reason Britney Spears made the obscene amount she has (G*D forgive us all) is that a market was there for it. Alot of teenaged and pre-pubescent girls had disposable income and gave it to her to be entertained. Entertainment has always been about the lowest common denominator/what the market will support since the first of our ancestors clacked two rocks together and grunted. Didn't the famous Eggheaded Theorist Brian Eno declare that "Taste is the enemy of art." ? Just wondering. Discuss Todd -----Original Message----- >From: Joshua Carroll >Sent: Feb 15, 2007 3:04 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour > >Lesser known, but I'd throw in Jonatha Brooke and (oh yeah) Imogen Heap (!) > >Also, I'd say groups like Muse and The Mars Volta showcase some fairly >incredible musicianship in a harder style > >Though I completely agree that musicianship has taken a hit in the >public priority, I'd say that the future looks brighter as the industry >weakens and the independent musician grows stronger (thanks to the web) > >--Josh > > > >john floridis wrote: >> i'm not a fan of big country arena acts, but i have to say brad >> paisley and keth urban can rip into their guitars pretty impressively... >> >> ditto the thoughts on john mayer, norah jones (simple but tasetful), >> the chicks (my friend susan gibson wrote "wide open spaces") and of >> course prince..... >> >> that said, among the huge acts.....well to quote prince when he was >> asked during an interview on t.v. (mtv maybe?) what was missing from >> today's music, he replied.... >> >> "musicians..." >> >> oh, does tori amos count? ani difranco? >> >> john >> >> >> >> . >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 23:32:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9242A3BEE2; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:32:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:26:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1040540156==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120d26644af117120badf1978563a592769d6c243459f46c23b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: <8cVZ4D.A.Z0C.F2O1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:32:21 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1040540156==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Tell me -- aside from dinosaur acts, what current top 10 musician/pop >star is famous for their musicianship? http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=The+Billboard+Hot+100 The question is rhetorical, and I assume that you really meant 'virtuosity', but the reality is that NOBODY CARES except other musos!!! If you can convey a song with meaning, that is true musicianship. -- --============_-1040540156==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: OT: The Police on Tour
Tell me -- aside from dinosaur acts, what current top 10 musician/pop
star is famous for their musicianship?


http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=The+Billboard+Hot+100


The question is rhetorical, and I assume that you really meant 'virtuosity',

but the reality is that NOBODY CARES except other musos!!!

If you can convey a song with meaning, that is true musicianship.

-- 
--============_-1040540156==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 00:45:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B5553BF13; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:45:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <916AA2E9-6005-4166-A3C9-9B3216741982@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: john floridis Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:44:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 69.145.124.236 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <9WJGlB.A.fPF.N6P1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:45:01 +0000 (UTC) My criteria is to try and asess as best i can what the musician/ artist/songwriter is trying to do and try to evaluate it on that level........ In other words, when i see the stones in a small stadium in montana, i'm not going to evaluate them the same way i would seeing shawn colvin in an intimate listening room or bela fleck and the flectones in a theater. Even beyond the location, i really try not to weigh apples against oranges. What are you trying to do? As best as i can absorb it intellectually and emotionally, spiritually, sexually, whatever....does that work? What i hate most about music critics, particularly the ones in the ubiquitous and amazingly cookie cutter content "alternative" newspapers, is that they tend to evaluate artists based on what THEY think the artist SHOULD be doing, and it's usually punk rock. And instrumental music.....they've got no idea what to do with that. Complain about the cover art....... objectivity is a bitch sometimes.....the world is much easier when you don't make that kind of effort. The effort to try and get beyond just "do i love this or not..." And though all of that is kind of from the head, so to speak......i suppose it ultimately comes down to what moves you the most on any and all levels. jf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 05:53:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7991B3BF04; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 05:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Woz Mail" To: Subject: RE: OT: The Police on Tour Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:52:45 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <73n7tB.A.GW.NbU1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 05:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Here In Australia I recently went to a concert where Muse and Tool blew everyone away, huge crowd and Tool had the no 1 album. Muse have a few singles floating in the top forty to. We have a brillant musician over here called John Butler and he regurlary get's in the charts if not no 1. Thom Yorke from Radiohea also did really well over here and there's others that I cant think of. I had a thought today that a major part of a mainstream audience not understanding more challenging music is due to lack of education. I remember learning about time in primary school and we never counted passed 4 unless doind a 3/4 rythem. My education about time signitures only developed in my Teens when I started listening to bands like Rush and King Crimson and that was only really due to the fact that I played guitar and smoked dope back then. Kids are more than capable of having a little more challenging rudimentary music education. I reckon it would dramaticly improve the tastes of the masses if they could actually recognise good music. I could rant on. Cheers Woz -----Original Message----- From: john floridis [mailto:jfloridis@aol.com] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour to be fair to tom who first pondered this question, i think he meant major label acts, top ten, top forty....arena and stadium fillers.....the ones who end up in people magazine.....not that that's anything to be aspiring to... just thought of another one, though she's not known for it, if i'm not mistaken sheryl crow can play something like a dozen instruments....not a "player's player", but solid. shawn colvin, though she's dropped in popularity, is still putting out good stuff, and you'll find most acoustic guitarists recognize her playing....very distinctive and strong player. nothing fancy, but you can tell it's her. jf -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release Date: 2/15/2007 5:40 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 06:39:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4ED663BF1D; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:39:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:40:19 -0800 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Re: dl4 power supply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45D56DF3.1060009@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:39:50 +0000 (UTC) thanks for all the help. i'll measure the current before i use it. shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 08:18:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 389323BF13; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bEw7Wk9Y7HW+ud5R9o28r36lKzUa2E3AhVRpYtTQ5dBHS/k2Uf6s72e3t7lWv34JfMZy55T6OIMuAxFK7EAYs2qfhRaq52WTxuLCfhabGNNOHo+r/oAvCR5LZARlUvpO7n5a/CiEwNztqh5a47oiqxUOICiQvraS4K0upGjGa1I= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:18:36 +0100 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: "Tom Ritchford" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1605_23944805.1171613916957" References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:18:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1605_23944805.1171613916957 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Its beside the point to start ranking "chops"/sales figures, One elitism isnt any prettier than the next. As one pointed out the industry is weakening due to the internet and the consumers shopping habbits. This is bad for the ones raking inn the big money, but it also makes life harder for the struggeling / up and comming musician. Everyone has their own "studio", everyone is on myspace , This is good for the small comunities (like the looping comunity) but its getting harder to get heard as the "noisfloor" has risen dramaticly.., Of cours there are example of bands having sucsess via myspace etc. but generaly I think the "paying" public is the only winner , the loosers are the musicians, wherever they are in the foodchain (usually at the bottom). The atitude of the kids here today is "why pay for music when you can get it for free?", The result is that the strugeling musicians give away their recorded music and do gigs for free ( or even pay to play) in hope that one day.... they will become....STING 2007/2/15, Tom Ritchford : > > On 2/15/07, Arne R. Skage jr wrote: > > Welcome to the cruel world of competion, its a jungle out there so go > get > > them tiger... > > That argument worked a lot better a few decades ago when there was a > flat playing field and actual musicians could do pretty well. > > Tell me -- aside from dinosaur acts, what current top 10 musician/pop > star is famous for their musicianship? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/2/14, Tom Ritchford : > > > "Oh Sting, Where is thy Death?" :-D > > > > > > Do remember that there are only a finite number of entertainment and > > > particularly music dollars. And even for people with unlimited funds, > > > they only have so many nights to go out. > > > > > > For each dinosaur band that takes in $300 million on tour, that's $300 > > > million that isn't going to other musicians like us. > > > > > > -- > > > /t > > > > > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > > > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Arne R. Skage jr. > > > > 91157204 > > arne@skage.com > > www.skage.com > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > -- Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_Part_1605_23944805.1171613916957 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Its beside the point to start ranking "chops"/sales figures,= One elitism isnt any prettier than the next. As one pointed out the i= ndustry is weakening due to the internet and the consumers shopping habbits= . This is bad for the ones raking inn the big money, but it also makes= life harder for the struggeling / up and comming musician.  Ever= yone has their own "studio",  everyone is on myspace , = This is good for the small comunities (like the looping comunity) but its g= etting harder to get heard as the "noisfloor" has risen dramaticl= y.., Of cours there are example  of bands having sucsess via myspace e= tc. but generaly I think the "paying" public is the only win= ner , the loosers are the musicians, wherever they are in the foodchain (us= ually at the bottom). The atitude of the kids here today is  &quo= t;why pay for music when you can get it for free?",  The res= ult is that the strugeling musicians give away their recorded music and do = gigs for free ( or even pay to play) in hope that one day.... they will bec= ome....STING
 


 
2007/2/15, Tom Ritchford <tom@swirly.com>:
On 2/15/07, Arne R. Skage jr <= ;arneskage@gmail.com> wrote:<= br> > Welcome to the cruel world of competion, its a jungle out there so go = get
> them tiger...

That argument worked a lot better a few de= cades ago when there was a
flat playing field and actual musicians could= do pretty well.

Tell me -- aside from dinosaur acts, what current top 10 musician/p= op
star is famous for their musicianship?

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> 2007/2/14, Tom Ritchford < tom@swirly.com>:
> > "Oh Sting, Where is thy Death?&qu= ot;  :-D
> >
> > Do remember that there are onl= y a finite number of entertainment and
> > particularly music doll= ars.  And even for people with unlimited funds,
> > they only have so many nights to go out.
> >
>= > For each dinosaur band that takes in $300 million on tour, that's= $300
> > million that isn't going to other musicians like us.
> >
> > --
> >     /t
&g= t; >
> > http://ax.to ......... ex= treme NY arts and music calendar
> > h= ttp://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little...
> > http://ax.to/radio ... my = little radio station (on intermittently)
> >
> >
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>
> --
> Arne R. Skage jr.
>
> 911572= 04
> arne@skage.com
> =  www.skage.com


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http://ax.to = ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar
http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret littl= e little...
http://ax.to/radio ... my= little radio station (on intermittently)



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Arne R. Skage jr.

91157204
arne@skage.com
www.skage.com= =20 ------=_Part_1605_23944805.1171613916957-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 14:10:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9ABE3BF15; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:10:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <024601c751d4$4091c4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: References: <20070215215702.0C2973BF4D@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: The Police on Tour Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:10:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:10:44 +0000 (UTC) talking about the dirth of good musicians on the charts these days: I did a record a few years back with David Hidalgo of Los Lobos. The depth of his musicality was truly astonishing and humbling. Literally, I saw him pick up almost everyone's instrument, from djembe drum to stand up bass to guitar to accordian during the session to demonstrate to the various musicians an idea he had for a tune. Each time, the person would take the suggestion and, VOILA!, the piece of music just began to gleam. This was a record with some true heavy hitters on it, too, like Okinawas' Sanchin master, Hiryasu Takashi and American National Steel phenom, Bob Brozman (who I'm about to record another CD with in a couple of weeks). There are so many fanastic musicians out there, both older and younger that it seems silly to me to rail about the current state of music. The industry itself is changing very quickly and the old paradigms are not working. I heard an industry insider talking about the label who has Green Day the other day. They were saying that Green Day was there biggest cash cow for the label and yet there own profits were only around $400,000 for each member. Compared to the music business of 10 and 15 years ago, that is nothing. The major labels have gotten so greedy and they've become so usurous that they are hated by everyone.....................the whole MP3 phenomenon is really taking a huge toll on CD sales. Unfortunately, it has also had a devastating impact on emerging artists. With the high costs of touring (gas, transport, hotels, et. al.), incredible decling profits by the majors and the major indepedents it has gotten to the point where NO new young bands can make any money anymore (with the possible exception of hip hop artists because there touring expenses are so low) but fantastic music is out there....................................there is more diversity and more plentifulness on online radio stations than ever in the history of the planet...............it's just no longer centralized as it was when some of the older musicians on this list were growing up. Sting in an interview talked about the fact that, growing up, the only time anyone in Britain could see live music on television was when an act went onto Top of the Pops on Friday evening. He said that for the rest of the weekend that everyone in all the pubs in England would talk about the Stones perormance on that show. There was a commonality to the musical experience of the whole country that has completely disappeared. I asked a young student today if he had ever heard of a certain album and the response I got was typical for almost all my students. "If you ask me if I"ve heard a certain song I might be able to tell you but I don't know any albums at all...............I download everything I listen to, one song at a time". Man, it's a new world, but as critically acclaimed singer songwriter Sam Phillips said once in a brilliant interview, "The label heads, A&R people and Lawyers for the record companies all come and go but the Artists never go away" "We've always been here and we will always be here." So , for you skeptics out there who think nothing good is coming out these days.......................you have to go looking for it and it might not be as convenient as finding it on the top of the charts. Remember that the system that brought you Jimi Hendrix also brought you the 1910 Fruitgum Company and the Fifth Dimension at the very same time. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 14:43:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CAFB3BF26; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:43:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=f4iwDB7MhCqTYIVIyrX0gHOmpUq/2Jxrsb+9y8e3uEQ/lwizIY3lrHa4OBJ+Mxk7Am/U9ODgiGssx/MPLUxht9InYGcpSb56goKiExCfIGUl+52KohYqhQi0l0tVhbC5L9Om4c8jGcDiledWvVQKyg65W9kepFWYEPwUCIqSjJg= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:43:05 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Police on Tour In-Reply-To: <024601c751d4$4091c4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2701_25695936.1171636985212" References: <20070215215702.0C2973BF4D@arsenic.violacea.com> <024601c751d4$4091c4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:43:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2701_25695936.1171636985212 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline For the record, there was no live music on Top Of The Pops, it was all miming and lip synching. But everyone did watch it and talk about it the next day. "The Old Grey Whistle Test" was about the only place you could see live music on British TV in the 70's. On 2/16/07, RICK WALKER wrote: > > > Sting in an interview talked about the fact that, growing up, the only > time > anyone in Britain could see live music > on television was when an act went onto Top of the Pops on Friday evening. > He said that for the rest of the weekend > that everyone in all the pubs in England would talk about the Stones > perormance on that show. > > ------=_Part_2701_25695936.1171636985212 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline For the record, there was no live music on Top Of The Pops, it was all miming and lip synching.  But everyone did watch it and talk about it the next day.  "The Old Grey Whistle Test" was about the only place you could see live music on British TV in the 70's.

On 2/16/07, RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

Sting in an interview talked about the fact that, growing up, the only time
anyone in Britain could see live music
on television was when an act went onto Top of the Pops on Friday evening.
He said that for the rest of the weekend
that everyone in all the pubs in England would talk about the Stones
perormance on that show.


------=_Part_2701_25695936.1171636985212-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 14:55:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BCFB3BF24; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QK/nmSmgx7IhmK1OBetaeOinDAnVJye06obaH0hHViovBTBsh6Dhd6fJREnxiSbZ+QgKQid/55iBga+8Lv0TN0TsYnaXkgTnRS3p7pe4fkWN9D9RINXw6nnPujbntCYSnMsp8bE0JooGGkQcq/aaedqMUvuuVXg8iZHVo/uIuUY= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:55:41 +0100 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Police on Tour In-Reply-To: <024601c751d4$4091c4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070215215702.0C2973BF4D@arsenic.violacea.com> <024601c751d4$4091c4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:55:43 +0000 (UTC) True - i agree with you completely, this is what i tried in my norwenglish way to comunicate arne On 2/16/07, RICK WALKER wrote: > talking about the dirth of good musicians on the charts these days: > > I did a record a few years back with David Hidalgo of > Los Lobos. The depth of his musicality was truly astonishing > and humbling. Literally, I saw him pick up almost everyone's > instrument, from djembe drum to stand up bass to guitar to accordian > during the session to demonstrate to the various musicians an idea > he had for a tune. Each time, the person would take the suggestion > and, VOILA!, the piece of music just began to gleam. > > This was a record with some true heavy hitters on it, too, like > Okinawas' Sanchin master, Hiryasu Takashi and American National Steel > phenom, Bob Brozman (who I'm about to record another CD with in a couple > of weeks). > > There are so many fanastic musicians out there, both older and younger that > it > seems silly to me to rail about the current state of music. > > The industry itself is changing very quickly and the old paradigms are not > working. > I heard an industry insider talking about the label who has Green Day the > other day. > They were saying that Green Day was there biggest cash cow for the label > and yet there own profits were only around $400,000 for each member. > > Compared to the music business of 10 and 15 years ago, that is nothing. > > The major labels have gotten so greedy and they've become so usurous that > they are hated > by everyone.....................the whole MP3 phenomenon is really taking a > huge toll on CD sales. > Unfortunately, it has also had a devastating impact on emerging artists. > > With the high costs of touring (gas, transport, hotels, et. al.), > incredible decling profits by the majors > and the major indepedents it has gotten to the point where NO new young > bands can make any money > anymore (with the possible exception of hip hop artists because there > touring expenses are so low) > > but fantastic music is out there....................................there is > more diversity and more plentifulness > on online radio stations than ever in the history of the > planet...............it's just no longer centralized as it was > when some of the older musicians on this list were growing up. > > Sting in an interview talked about the fact that, growing up, the only time > anyone in Britain could see live music > on television was when an act went onto Top of the Pops on Friday evening. > He said that for the rest of the weekend > that everyone in all the pubs in England would talk about the Stones > perormance on that show. > > There was a commonality to the musical experience of the whole country that > has completely disappeared. > > I asked a young student today if he had ever heard of a certain album and > the response I got was typical for almost all my students. > "If you ask me if I"ve heard a certain song I might be able to tell you but > I don't know any albums at all...............I download > everything I listen to, one song at a time". > > Man, it's a new world, but as critically acclaimed singer songwriter Sam > Phillips said once in a brilliant interview, > "The label heads, A&R people and Lawyers for the record companies all come > and go but the Artists never go away" > "We've always been here and we will always be here." > > So , for you skeptics out there who think nothing good is coming out these > days.......................you have to go looking for it and > it might not be as convenient as finding it on the top of the charts. > > Remember that the system that brought you Jimi Hendrix also brought you the > 1910 Fruitgum Company and the Fifth Dimension at > the very same time. > > -- Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 15:25:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F36D33BF1F; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3735.66.162.182.97.1171639529.squirrel@www.redsunsoundroom.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20200213165540.00a5e930@pop.mindspring.com> References: <813c2881c3eac1b23035e749dead44d6@glasswing.com> <18726.65.160.58.240.1171392859.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20200213165540.00a5e930@pop.mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:25:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Acetone EC-1 demo online From: "p koniuto" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: peter@RedSunSoundroom.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jade.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32042 32042] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - RedSunSoundroom.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:25:37 +0000 (UTC) > I had an AceTone portable combo organ from about 1968 - 1972. According > to > the info at http://www.combo-organ.com/AceTone/ mine was the TOP-3 > Phoenix. I have the Acetone Top-5, and it is perhaps my favorite sound source to loop with. I'm not much of a keyboard player, but the SOUNDS of the Acetone are so inspiring i keep coming back to it over and over. I also find it works very nicely with the Lexicon Vortex for treatments. Volume pedal is a must, though, for what i'm doing with it. Other funny thing: all of the G's are an octave high, across the whole board. I haven't bothered getting it fixed. Maybe someday, but displaced octaves can really encourage a different way of approaching the instrument. Plus i like that really high G up at the top! Peter ______________________________ Creative Recordist - Composer Red Sun Soundroom Niskayuna, NY On our hi-fi this week... http://www.RedSunSoundroom.com peter AT RedSunSoundroom.com ______________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 15:33:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2472C3BF25; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-59252306 Message-Id: <25363a3ab9c4e84bc46660504f3bc684@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Live looping in Portland, Oregon 2/17 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:33:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:33:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-59252306 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Travis, I wish I could be there. I checked out your music and liked it a lot. Of course we've both been on the list for years and years, but this is =20= the first time I've been able to hear your stuff. Nice work. Good luck on the gig. I'm stuck down here in Medford. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?=20 playListId=3D6378076 =93It may be true that my desk here is really "nothing but" a transient =20= eddy of electrons in the flux of universal process. Nevertheless, I =20 find that it continues to support my feet, my revolver, and my cigars =20= all day long. What happens when my back is turned I don't know. Or much =20= care. That's no concern of mine.=94 -- Edward Abbey http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Different is not always better, but better is always different" On Feb 14, 2007, at 12:16 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I'll be doing two sets of acoustic guitar live looping starting at 8PM = =20 > this Saturday, February 17th, at the Red & Black Cafe (2138 SE =20 > Division) in Portland, Oregon.=A0 Admission is free, free, free. > > Be seeing you, > > Travis Hartnett > > www.myspace.com/travishartnett --Apple-Mail-1-59252306 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Travis, I wish I could be there. I checked out your music and liked it a lot. Of course we've both been on the list for years and years, but this is the first time I've been able to hear your stuff. Nice work. Good luck on the gig. I'm stuck down here in Medford. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn = 0000,0000,8080http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZS= tore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D6378076 8080,0000,0000=93It may be true that my desk here is really "nothing but" a transient eddy of electrons in the flux of universal process. Nevertheless, I find that it continues to support my feet, my revolver, and my cigars all day long. What happens when my back is turned I don't know. Or much care. That's no concern of mine.=94 -- Edward Abbey 8080,8080,8080 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? 8080,0000,0000"Different is not always better, but better is always different" On Feb 14, 2007, at 12:16 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: I'll be doing two sets of acoustic guitar live looping starting at 8PM this Saturday, February 17th, at the Red & Black Cafe (2138 SE Division) in Portland, Oregon.=A0 Admission is free, free, = free. Be seeing you,=20 Travis Hartnett 0000,0000,EEEEwww.myspace.com/travishartnett --Apple-Mail-1-59252306-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 16:29:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C13633BF29; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=HhIRN+FAn5kO25x7aHfk2MPu+IDzGyhYAXrmGhc2WQeslwlojKBloKMx5DrZT/L2; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Reply-To: From: "Tom Heasley" To: Subject: RE: ThePoliceonTour / good new music Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:28:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <024601c751d4$4091c4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Thread-Index: AcdR1EB5XCxTUt4qSeyy0f+BUBdNHgAEbu6g Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: a45d7fbcd5996e0dec0773e6e8d709339ef193a6bfc3dd48a789c91eb29f0ab88e96c3da94d58fab93caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 76.171.185.199 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Loopers, I'd agree that there's a ton of Great music out there to be found - not necessarily where you expect it. Here's a sneak preview of something new, that I think is good. I spent a couple days in the studio recently with drummer Toss Panos, who some of you may know from the Andy Summers Trio, Mike Keneally, Mike Landau, etc. The tuba is looped sometimes, the drums are not. We will be finalizing mixes soon and releasing either a single or double CD, on a label as yet to be determined. I've put up a Duo page at MySpace: www.myspace.com/heasleypanosduo Best, Tom ************************************* Tom Heasley ambienttuba@earthlink.net www.tomheasley.com www.myspace.com/tomheasley www.myspace.com/heasleypanosduo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 16:38:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9457F3BF2B; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070216103857.099tyjbkys40cosk@69.89.21.76> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:38:57 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Police on Tour References: <20070215215702.0C2973BF4D@arsenic.violacea.com> <024601c751d4$4091c4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <024601c751d4$4091c4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Quoting RICK WALKER : > ...fantastic music is out > there....................................there is more diversity and > more plentifulness > on online radio stations than ever in the history of the > planet...............it's just no longer centralized as it was > when some of the older musicians on this list were growing up. I agree that the independent music scene is much better today than in =20 the past. One of the problems that I faced (doing somewhat "arty" electronic =20 music) was a lack of venues for live or recorded performance. After I =20 graduated from college (UMKC Conservatory of Music), I lost contact =20 with the music "scene", got a day job, and continued to produce music =20 in my studio with no way to "get it out" other than playing it for a =20 few like-minded friends. The internet has revealed that there IS a following for music that =20 goes way beyond the mainstream. As a result, I have shared my music =20 with thousands of people and have been encouraged to keep composing =20 and creating. (Online, I am a regular poster to Thereminworld.com and =20 electro-music.com and am regularly heard on the "Spellbound" internet =20 radio program). In fact, it was on electro-music.com that I first =20 encountered the looping work of Amy X Neuburg which inspired me to =20 pursue the looping genre. (please don't take my comment as a slight =20 on any other loopers -- I am new the genre and there are many people I =20 have yet to hear). One of the challenges with venues such as "You Tube", "Myspace", =20 etc... is that to listen to all the music there would take a lifetime. =20 The quality of the music covers the whole range from beginner to =20 pro. For a listener, the difficulty is wading through it all. For a =20 performer, the difficulty is reaching people who will like your music. To go into performing expecting to make megabucks is a little like =20 going into computers expecting to be the next Bill Gates. Every field =20 will have a few superstars however "individual results may vary". A friend of mine (who does amateur stock car racing) made a comment =20 about his hobby that applies to music-making: "To make a small fortune at this hobby, start with a large fortune." Well, thanks for reading my opinion. I got lot of 'em. :) -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 16:42:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36D003BF36; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: dtCBm7QVM1kzXLcJV0bQA5YeGl7Aq09JwghbXsrf5yD8UlKxn11C53OZHXKOFEIme04lmyfUsaZdwnHANYdGDvSVvRrd3tlqyN1_nn6OINF26Qeys6N.ZiPLwq_sVomoWsfgOFwQBth4_g-- Message-ID: <45D5DF05.60604@infinivert.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:42:45 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000407030804000103050403" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:42:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000407030804000103050403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On this point, I read an inspiring (if rambling) article recently (I think it was probably a college kid's essay that got published on the web: http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue6_8/pfahl/) that pointed out exactly what you said about kids getting all their music for free anyway, cited the current fan-boy culture, and proposed that independent musicians could make a living by giving away /all/ their music and using it to build a loyal cultish fan base that would support them in other creative ways (t-shirts, stickers, etc. as well as online donations, pay-to-join live chat sessions, etc.). The beginning of the article is pretty slow, but it's interesting because he talks about how most groups that do get signed by a label still only scrape out a meager living, and the label is free to dump the artist at any time if they lose interest. It's much more secure to take matters into your own hands since your own well-being is always in your best interest. A good non-musical example of the concept proposed would be the Homestar Runner website (http://www.homestarrunner.com). People visit the site to laugh at their stupid Flash cartoons, which they give away for free. They don't even sell ads on the site. All the work is done by two brothers who make a living off of merch sales through the HR store. It's a completely different model than what I've seen modeled, but I think with some dedication and creativity, it could certainly be applied successfully to a musical career. --Josh Arne R. Skage jr wrote: > Its beside the point to start ranking "chops"/sales figures, One > elitism isnt any prettier than the next. As one pointed out the > industry is weakening due to the internet and the consumers shopping > habbits. This is bad for the ones raking inn the big money, but it > also makes life harder for the struggeling / up and comming musician. > Everyone has their own "studio", everyone is on myspace , This is > good for the small comunities (like the looping comunity) but its > getting harder to get heard as the "noisfloor" has risen dramaticly.., > Of cours there are example of bands having sucsess via myspace etc. > but generaly I think the "paying" public is the only winner , the > loosers are the musicians, wherever they are in the foodchain (usually > at the bottom). The atitude of the kids here today is "why pay for > music when you can get it for free?", The result is that the > strugeling musicians give away their recorded music and do gigs for > free ( or even pay to play) in hope that one day.... they will > become....STING > > > > > 2007/2/15, Tom Ritchford >: > > On 2/15/07, Arne R. Skage jr > wrote: > > Welcome to the cruel world of competion, its a jungle out there > so go get > > them tiger... > > That argument worked a lot better a few decades ago when there was a > flat playing field and actual musicians could do pretty well. > > Tell me -- aside from dinosaur acts, what current top 10 musician/pop > star is famous for their musicianship? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/2/14, Tom Ritchford < tom@swirly.com >: > > > "Oh Sting, Where is thy Death?" :-D > > > > > > Do remember that there are only a finite number of > entertainment and > > > particularly music dollars. And even for people with > unlimited funds, > > > they only have so many nights to go out. > > > > > > For each dinosaur band that takes in $300 million on tour, > that's $300 > > > million that isn't going to other musicians like us. > > > > > > -- > > > /t > > > > > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > > > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Arne R. Skage jr. > > > > 91157204 > > arne@skage.com > > www.skage.com > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > > > > > -- > Arne R. Skage jr. > > 91157204 > arne@skage.com > www.skage.com --------------000407030804000103050403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On this point, I read an inspiring (if rambling) article recently (I think it was probably a college kid's essay that got published on the web:  http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue6_8/pfahl/) that pointed out exactly what you said about kids getting all their music for free anyway, cited the current fan-boy culture, and proposed that independent musicians could make a living by giving away all their music and using it to build a loyal cultish fan base that would support them in other creative ways (t-shirts, stickers, etc. as well as online donations, pay-to-join live chat sessions, etc.).  The beginning of the article is pretty slow, but it's interesting because he talks about how most groups that do get signed by a label still only scrape out a meager living, and the label is free to dump the artist at any time if they lose interest.  It's much more secure to take matters into your own hands since your own well-being is always in your best interest.

A good non-musical example of the concept proposed would be the Homestar Runner website (http://www.homestarrunner.com).  People visit the site to laugh at their stupid Flash cartoons, which they give away for free.  They don't even sell ads on the site.  All the work is done by two brothers who make a living off of merch sales through the HR store.

It's a completely different model than what I've seen modeled, but I think with some dedication and creativity, it could certainly be applied successfully to a musical career.

--Josh



Arne R. Skage jr wrote:
Its beside the point to start ranking "chops"/sales figures, One elitism isnt any prettier than the next. As one pointed out the industry is weakening due to the internet and the consumers shopping habbits. This is bad for the ones raking inn the big money, but it also makes life harder for the struggeling / up and comming musician.  Everyone has their own "studio",  everyone is on myspace , This is good for the small comunities (like the looping comunity) but its getting harder to get heard as the "noisfloor" has risen dramaticly.., Of cours there are example  of bands having sucsess via myspace etc. but generaly I think the "paying" public is the only winner , the loosers are the musicians, wherever they are in the foodchain (usually at the bottom). The atitude of the kids here today is  "why pay for music when you can get it for free?",  The result is that the strugeling musicians give away their recorded music and do gigs for free ( or even pay to play) in hope that one day.... they will become....STING
 


 
2007/2/15, Tom Ritchford <tom@swirly.com>:
On 2/15/07, Arne R. Skage jr <arneskage@gmail.com> wrote:
> Welcome to the cruel world of competion, its a jungle out there so go get
> them tiger...

That argument worked a lot better a few decades ago when there was a
flat playing field and actual musicians could do pretty well.

Tell me -- aside from dinosaur acts, what current top 10 musician/pop
star is famous for their musicianship?

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2007/2/14, Tom Ritchford < tom@swirly.com>:
> > "Oh Sting, Where is thy Death?"  :-D
> >
> > Do remember that there are only a finite number of entertainment and
> > particularly music dollars.  And even for people with unlimited funds,
> > they only have so many nights to go out.
> >
> > For each dinosaur band that takes in $300 million on tour, that's $300
> > million that isn't going to other musicians like us.
> >
> > --
> >     /t
> >
> > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar
> > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little...
> > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently)
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arne R. Skage jr.
>
> 91157204
> arne@skage.com
>  www.skage.com


--
    /t

http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar
http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little...
http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently)



--
Arne R. Skage jr.

91157204
arne@skage.com
www.skage.com
--------------000407030804000103050403-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 17:33:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8C873BF04; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bTlUDa5uW7DrtgU4XlKnK0f7JyKl4w3KSpQwGOU3hNdhxElXaPRkmL0Fv4qCcysAHGrqRsurTkJA77VYNL83rHMHBX6jGyuCYuIpIvQimhLSri099WcLzqaR8lgu/oOqaUP0E5rHTf1Gd8Uffmh0ZxpCDoJ33+mhlwsRjAw3Gp8= In-Reply-To: <024601c751d4$4091c4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <20070215215702.0C2973BF4D@arsenic.violacea.com> <024601c751d4$4091c4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: "Brave New World" (was: Re: The Police on Tour) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:33:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:33:40 +0000 (UTC) On 16 feb 2007, at 15.10, RICK WALKER wrote: > The major labels have gotten so greedy That's a rather strong statement for posting on a list and since I think it's incorrect I have to object. I would say that what has happened are gradual cultural changes that affect peoples consumer attitudes and habits in away that causes a shrinking headroom for record labels to make profits. I base this opinion on my own experiences as having worked with both major and indie record labels in many contries, as a musician and as a fronting artist. > ..the whole MP3 phenomenon is really taking a huge toll on CD sales. I think this is also an incorrect analysis. CD sales go down because people now buy other things than CD's, while still having about the same amount of monthly disposable money in their pockets. We now buy computer games, VHS movie, DVD movies, iPods, cell phones... you name it. A second important factor is the gradual diversification of culture. In music this manifests in hundreds of genres where we used to have just about a handful. We have already passed the line where it became impossible for a record label to employ an A&R that could spot and sign "the artists that will become successful in his/her/ their genre". Either because it is too difficult (for an A&R) to stay on top of many simultaneous sub cultures or simply because that specific genre will explode into other sub genres before enough time has been given the record label to do all the promotion work needed to break the artist (but as implemented in Josh post, artist may well break today on their own, as an effect of the internet). The rest of Ricks post was excellent as usual and inspiring as well. It's exciting to see where this new networking digital life will lead us. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 19:05:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FEA83BF24; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.84.126.202] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: "Brave New World" (was: Re: The Police on Tour) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:05:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2007 19:05:51.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A021100:01C751FD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Gee .... wouldn't it be better if the record companies all took a hike, and we could go back to playing for barn dances and the occasional county fair, with no real hopes of making it big, and no real possibility for global or even country wide distribution. I mean, big business may have commodified music, and may produce the lamest sorts of it ...... but what I really resent is that the music industry produced the weirder stuff like polka, avant garde jazz, serbian classical folk..... wouldn't we all be better off if we had never heard of such things? And the internet ..... worldwide distribution of music of all sorts for free .... god, don't even get me started. Lets get back to a time when nobody used business to promote music ... and when it wasn't distributed at all ..... Yeah .... that way, none of us can resent that some people are making huge amounts of money of of music that we don't think is worthy of such plaudits..... and poor, pooor us ..... who have laptops ..... and can record music and then upload it to the internet and get people all over the world to hear it ...... Who cares if other people are gettin rich off of music .... and what difference does it make if the record industry sucks in all sorts of ways ...... things could always be better ... but they are pretty damn good I'd say. Anyway, thats my half optimist rant ..... I'm sitting at home sick as a dog with mono .... so I thought I would spread the love. ciao Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 19:36:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48EB43BF2C; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [83.100.196.183] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <013f01c75110$ef9c8f50$ced5adf0$@com> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS - Repeater in the UK Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:36:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2007 19:36:50.0111 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD9864F0:01C75201] Resent-Message-ID: <3TzKaC.A.cZF.Tfg1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi all.... well, I have thought long and hard and decided to offer up to the masses my Electrix Repeater. I bought it in 2005 and thought it would be an EDP killer,(which in some ways it can be) however... as always, i was thwarted by the simple facts, in this case, midi-pedal size, line up all my effects in two pedal boards and then a berhinger, and i just cant loop and still be near the mike. So here, we are, i thought it only seemed right to offer it up to the people who have given me such listening pleasure first. I hate to let it go and dont want to sound cliche, but i just want someone to do more with it then i have.It is in good condition and at the moment i am looking for offers as Im shy and also I have not been keeping any sort of eye on the going rates. its the repeater, unboxed, great condition, never mounted with one scratch on the tempo knob and another really slight one on the pront panel (whipped it with a jack).complete with power supply manual and a 128 card that seemed huge at the time!! Thanks Phill Wilson MyOneManBand >From: "Steve Mark" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: LooperTools Pro Released >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:52:37 -0800 > >Just a quick update to let you all know that LooperTools, Windows software >for managing your DigiTech JamMan, has been updated. > > > >We have also released the Pro version which includes a number of effects >and >filters that you can apply to your loops, as well as on-the-fly conversion >of MP3 files to JamMan compatible WAV files. > > > >A full list of the changes and free, 21-day trial downloads are available >at >www.LooperTools.com . > > > >Have a great day! > > > >Steve Mark > >On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. > >Maker of LooperTools > _________________________________________________________________ Click Here To Find Your Perfect Match This Valentines! http://msnuk.match.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 19:49:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B3B33BF36; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:49:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=x7pcEoW7Ro202QFei4YFqxctI4Obh3wf6RRWp7W7srNtyyzOplCk2+TsO7aCY6LxG0QyeFr96eTEOfYIPu67fgptg8fnDXw9lR/WxG9LURpM4GXsxHHNHjul0OOnSrlBvB3iY8kq/3iM/U3mHqDfYZ9imbKhhpYCenIDGv6IpSU=; X-YMail-OSG: 0In_TGkVM1lHog5NbpTVc15ZIuL_rn6pX.A24TMfzqYNYu2DQ5a2E7FQb.bMMZ3nEiOsbZ_cmFlGdiwW0pd6H2ZM1PObTYbp3Fo7esUX2wPXjbaygirmCeipQT3Pnx.TwWITocZ0Dn4NBkk- Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:49:00 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: FS - Repeater in the UK To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2133669294-1171655340=:98960" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <403577.98960.qm@web53014.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:49:03 +0000 (UTC) --0-2133669294-1171655340=:98960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Phill, I am definitley VERY interested in this. Did you buy it new, in the UK? If the condition is really good, I would make you an offer. Where are you in the UK? What sort of price are you looking for ? Regards, Stephen Scott phill wilson wrote: Hi all.... well, I have thought long and hard and decided to offer up to the masses my Electrix Repeater. I bought it in 2005 and thought it would be an EDP killer,(which in some ways it can be) however... as always, i was thwarted by the simple facts, in this case, midi-pedal size, line up all my effects in two pedal boards and then a berhinger, and i just cant loop and still be near the mike. So here, we are, i thought it only seemed right to offer it up to the people who have given me such listening pleasure first. I hate to let it go and dont want to sound cliche, but i just want someone to do more with it then i have.It is in good condition and at the moment i am looking for offers as Im shy and also I have not been keeping any sort of eye on the going rates. its the repeater, unboxed, great condition, never mounted with one scratch on the tempo knob and another really slight one on the pront panel (whipped it with a jack).complete with power supply manual and a 128 card that seemed huge at the time!! Thanks Phill Wilson MyOneManBand >From: "Steve Mark" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: LooperTools Pro Released >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:52:37 -0800 > >Just a quick update to let you all know that LooperTools, Windows software >for managing your DigiTech JamMan, has been updated. > > > >We have also released the Pro version which includes a number of effects >and >filters that you can apply to your loops, as well as on-the-fly conversion >of MP3 files to JamMan compatible WAV files. > > > >A full list of the changes and free, 21-day trial downloads are available >at >www.LooperTools.com . > > > >Have a great day! > > > >Steve Mark > >On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. > >Maker of LooperTools > _________________________________________________________________ Click Here To Find Your Perfect Match This Valentines! http://msnuk.match.com/ --------------------------------- Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. --0-2133669294-1171655340=:98960 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Phill, I am definitley VERY interested in this.  Did you buy it new, in the UK?  If the condition is really good, I would make you an offer.  Where are you in the UK?  What sort of price are you looking for ?

Regards, Stephen Scott

phill wilson <blackface@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

Hi all....

well, I have thought long and hard and decided to offer up to the masses my
Electrix Repeater. I bought it in 2005 and thought it would be an EDP
killer,(which in some ways it can be) however... as always, i was thwarted
by the simple facts, in this case, midi-pedal size, line up all my effects
in two pedal boards and then a berhinger, and i just cant loop and still be
near the mike.

So here, we are, i thought it only seemed right to offer it up to the people
who have given me such listening pleasure first. I hate to let it go and
dont want to sound cliche, but i just want someone to do more with it then i
have.It is in good condition and at the moment i am looking for offers as Im
shy and also I have not been keeping any sort of eye on the going rates.
its the repeater, unboxed, great condition, never mounted with one scratch
on the tempo knob and another really slight one on the pront panel (whipped
it with a jack).complete with power supply manual and a 128 card that seemed
huge at the time!!

Thanks
Phill Wilson
MyOneManBand

>From: "Steve Mark"
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To:
>Subject: LooperTools Pro Released
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:52:37 -0800
>
>Just a quick update to let you all know that LooperTools, Windows software
>for managing your DigiTech JamMan, has been updated.
>
>
>
>We have also released the Pro version which includes a number of effects
>and
>filters that you can apply to your loops, as well as on-the-fly conversion
>of MP3 files to JamMan compatible WAV files.
>
>
>
>A full list of the changes and free, 21-day trial downloads are available
>at
>www.LooperTools.com .
>
>
>
>Have a great day!
>
>
>
>Steve Mark
>
>On-The-Mark Systems, Inc.
>
>Maker of LooperTools
>

_________________________________________________________________
Click Here To Find Your Perfect Match This Valentines!
http://msnuk.match.com/



Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. --0-2133669294-1171655340=:98960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 20:01:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CC313BEE7; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:01:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-75301026 Message-Id: <7a7d63f7e4f2edc90650c392be5bee1f@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: "Brave New World" (was: Re: The Police on Tour) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:00:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:01:34 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-75301026 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed This is true. There is only one reason to do music - because you love it. All the others - money, sex, fame etc are spooky dead ends. It's the only reason that won't slap you in the face, depress you, send you on tirades against those who've had better luck. And it protects you from doing music you don't care about, or second guessing the record folks... or making Artifice instead of Art. And finally, it will never let you down. This is not to say that those who are furious - and sometimes for good reason - don't love music. But it's something I tell myself and all the up and coming folks I meet and work with. It keeps it clean. And you'll live longer. And you have more time to practice. Thanks for the note Aaron. And be glad you have mono... It could be stereo... or surround richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 16-Feb-07, at 11:05 AM, aaron leese wrote: > > > Gee .... wouldn't it be better if the record companies all took a > hike, and we could go back to playing for barn dances and the > occasional county fair, with no real hopes of making it big, and no > real possibility for global or even country wide distribution. > > I mean, big business may have commodified music, and may produce the > lamest sorts of it ...... but what I really resent is that the music > industry produced the weirder stuff like polka, avant garde jazz, > serbian classical folk..... wouldn't we all be better off if we had > never heard of such things? And the internet ..... worldwide > distribution of music of all sorts for free .... god, don't even get > me started. > > Lets get back to a time when nobody used business to promote music ... > and when it wasn't distributed at all ..... Yeah .... that way, none > of us can resent that some people are making huge amounts of money of > of music that we don't think is worthy of such plaudits..... > > and poor, pooor us ..... who have laptops ..... and can record music > and then upload it to the internet and get people all over the world > to hear it ...... > > Who cares if other people are gettin rich off of music .... and what > difference does it make if the record industry sucks in all sorts of > ways ...... things could always be better ... but they are pretty damn > good I'd say. > > Anyway, thats my half optimist rant ..... I'm sitting at home sick as > a dog with mono .... so I thought I would spread the love. > > ciao > Aaron > > _________________________________________________________________ > Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a > month. Intro*Terms > https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp? > product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f > 6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 > --Apple-Mail-1-75301026 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII This is true. There is only one reason to do music - because you love it. All the others - money, sex, fame etc are spooky dead ends. It's the only reason that won't slap you in the face, depress you, send you on tirades against those who've had better luck. And it protects you from doing music you don't care about, or second guessing the record folks... or making Artifice instead of Art. And finally, it will never let you down. This is not to say that those who are furious - and sometimes for good reason - don't love music. But it's something I tell myself and all the up and coming folks I meet and work with. It keeps it clean. And you'll live longer. And you have more time to practice. Thanks for the note Aaron. And be glad you have mono... It could be stereo... or surround Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 16-Feb-07, at 11:05 AM, aaron leese wrote: Gee .... wouldn't it be better if the record companies all took a hike, and we could go back to playing for barn dances and the occasional county fair, with no real hopes of making it big, and no real possibility for global or even country wide distribution. I mean, big business may have commodified music, and may produce the lamest sorts of it ...... but what I really resent is that the music industry produced the weirder stuff like polka, avant garde jazz, serbian classical folk..... wouldn't we all be better off if we had never heard of such things? And the internet ..... worldwide distribution of music of all sorts for free .... god, don't even get me started. Lets get back to a time when nobody used business to promote music ... and when it wasn't distributed at all ..... Yeah .... that way, none of us can resent that some people are making huge amounts of money of of music that we don't think is worthy of such plaudits..... and poor, pooor us ..... who have laptops ..... and can record music and then upload it to the internet and get people all over the world to hear it ...... Who cares if other people are gettin rich off of music .... and what difference does it make if the record industry sucks in all sorts of ways ...... things could always be better ... but they are pretty damn good I'd say. Anyway, thats my half optimist rant ..... I'm sitting at home sick as a dog with mono .... so I thought I would spread the love. ciao Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 --Apple-Mail-1-75301026-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 20:01:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64E3F3BF39; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:56:04 -0500 From: Domenick Swentosky Subject: RC-50 Patch settings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45D60C54.8000701@greytime.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000714-2, 02/16/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Hello all: I've been reading through the RC-50 manual, and can't quite find the answer to this question: Can you change "patches" while a loop is playing? This is important to me. I loop acoustic guitar, vocals and saxophone, and I really like the ability of the RC-50 to set the gain in each patch for the three individual inputs, but I heard that to change patches, you have to stop playback. If so, that's another unfortunate failing of the RC-50; add it in with lack of decay rate. Thanks for the help. Enjoy the day. Domenick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 20:18:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0F693BED0; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010101c75207$a81eada0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "Travis Hartnett" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: Subject: Re: The Police on Tour Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:18:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Travis wrote: "For the record, there was no live music on Top Of The Pops, it was all miming and lip synching. But everyone did watch it and talk about it the next day. "The Old Grey Whistle Test" was about the only place you could see live music on British TV in the 70's. " Well Bob's your uncle, as they say. I just took Sting's word for it because, at the time (1965ish) I was in America, a prepubescent 12 year old with my ear glued to a tinny Japanese transistor radio every Sunday night listening to the Top Twenty countdown, lol KLIV, baby!!!!!! The Stones, the Beatles, the Kinks, the Yardbirds and Eric Burdon and the Animals were turning me on! What did I know, silly Anglophilic Yank that I was. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 20:36:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A763E3BEF3; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:36:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <45D60C54.8000701@greytime.com> References: <45D60C54.8000701@greytime.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-77428335 Message-Id: <93bc83b3b81be57a7c22242b8e9c0e05@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: RC-50 Patch settings Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:35:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:36:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-77428335 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed It's on page 33 in your manual! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 16-Feb-07, at 11:56 AM, Domenick Swentosky wrote: > Hello all: > I've been reading through the RC-50 manual, and can't quite find the > answer to this question: > > Can you change "patches" while a loop is playing? This is important > to me. I loop acoustic guitar, vocals and saxophone, and I really > like the ability of the RC-50 to set the gain in each patch for the > three individual inputs, but I heard that to change patches, you have > to stop playback. If so, that's another unfortunate failing of the > RC-50; add it in with lack of decay rate. > > Thanks for the help. > > Enjoy the day. > Domenick > --Apple-Mail-2-77428335 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII It's on page 33 in your manual! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 16-Feb-07, at 11:56 AM, Domenick Swentosky wrote: Hello all: I've been reading through the RC-50 manual, and can't quite find the answer to this question: Can you change "patches" while a loop is playing? This is important to me. I loop acoustic guitar, vocals and saxophone, and I really like the ability of the RC-50 to set the gain in each patch for the three individual inputs, but I heard that to change patches, you have to stop playback. If so, that's another unfortunate failing of the RC-50; add it in with lack of decay rate. Thanks for the help. Enjoy the day. Domenick --Apple-Mail-2-77428335-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 20:45:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEB0F3BEE8; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <9B8678D3-4310-4B8D-863F-63600468BA17@sonic.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-78012498 From: Mark Landman Subject: Kyma System with Looper Construction Kit for sale Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:45:40 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:45:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-78012498 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Let's try this one more time- Kyma Capybara 320 sound processor with 2 additional DSP cards, Motormix (tightly integrated motorized control surface), Firewire interface and power cables, Kyma X manual, Rack ears, transferable registration & support, Kyma X software. Also includes Green Tea Software's Looper Construction Kit software. Massively granulate, chop, warp, morph, echo, ring modulate, convolve, pitch shift, time stretch, filter, and of course, loop... Kyma- http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Products/WebHome Green Tea Software Looper Construction Kit- http:// www.greenteasoftware.com/lck.htm New value $6,044.00 For sale at $4900 plus shipping. Located in California, just north of San Francisco. Thanks for the bandwidth- Mark --Apple-Mail-2-78012498 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Let's try this one more = time-

Kyma= Capybara 320 sound processor with 2 additional DSP cards, Motormix = (tightly integrated motorized control surface), Firewire interface and = power cables, Kyma X manual, Rack ears, transferable registration & = support, Kyma X software. Also includes Green Tea Software's Looper = Construction Kit software.

Massively granulate, chop, warp, morph, echo, ring = modulate, convolve, pitch shift, time stretch, filter, and of course, = loop...


Green Tea Software Looper Construction Kit-=A0http://www.greenteasoftware.com/lck.htm
=

New value = $6,044.00

For = sale at $4900 plus shipping.

Located in California, just = north of San Francisco.

Thanks for the bandwidth-

Mark


= --Apple-Mail-2-78012498-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 20:47:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C7FD3BF20; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.8] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070216193652.C778B3BF2F@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V07 #108 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:47:16 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2007 20:47:18.0819 (UTC) FILETIME=[A61A0730:01C7520B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:47:20 +0000 (UTC) The mainstream music biz screwed up over MTV,they started putting hundredes of thousands or more into videos of the few who were videogenic.Meanwhile MTV diversified their programming in the effort to hold viewers longer-remember TV's biz is selling audience to advertisers so the number of slots was diminishing,the cost of promotting artists was going up so they stppoed promoting acts that sold less .The big labels were so committed to this model that they didn't even see the next phase,ie internet coming,and their initial repsonse was to make it a turf war,whcih cost them money to fight,and they didn't really win.They could have taken advantage of the new technology,as their predecessors in the record biz had when records were new,and when stereo was new ,and loud rock and roll,and multitracking etc. The advantage to signing with a big label that wants 90% of the gross is they control enormous promo and distribution machines. I'm sure Sting didn't get signed cause someone heard him giving his stuff away and playing for free hoping,he was organized and goal oriented about success-it doesn't fall on people.It is possible to build a career by putting effort into distribution and promotion etc.Definately it costs alot more do do everything these days it's much harder. Ani DiFranco is a good example of someone did all that stuff herself.Though she made it playing to a niche audience. So start a cult if you want to be a succesful. _________________________________________________________________ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE.  http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 20:54:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE2963BEF1; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: implode7@comcast.net (Ancient Eyeball Recipe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kyma System with Looper Construction Kit for sale Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:54:51 +0000 Message-Id: <021620072054.26275.45D61A1B0003BB61000066A32207000953C90A0B01049F0307@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: aW1wbG9kZTdAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26275_1171659291_0" Resent-Message-ID: <0BjzUD.A.nZB.eoh1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:54:54 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26275_1171659291_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A buyer should be aware that the license isn't really fully transferable. The user is eligible for support, but not for any special prices on upgrades. given that there is likely a hardware upgrade sooner rather than later, that may be relevant. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Mark Landman > Let's try this one more time- > > Kyma Capybara 320 sound processor with 2 additional DSP cards, > Motormix (tightly integrated motorized control surface), Firewire > interface and power cables, Kyma X manual, Rack ears, transferable > registration & support, Kyma X software. Also includes Green Tea > Software's Looper Construction Kit software. > > Massively granulate, chop, warp, morph, echo, ring modulate, > convolve, pitch shift, time stretch, filter, and of course, loop... > > Kyma- http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Products/WebHome > > Green Tea Software Looper Construction Kit- http:// > www.greenteasoftware.com/lck.htm > > New value $6,044.00 > > For sale at $4900 plus shipping. > > Located in California, just north of San Francisco. > > Thanks for the bandwidth- > > Mark > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26275_1171659291_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Kyma System with Looper Construction Kit for sale Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:45:45 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26275_1171659291_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26275_1171659291_1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Let's try this one more = time-

Kyma= Capybara 320 sound processor with 2 additional DSP cards, Motormix = (tightly integrated motorized control surface), Firewire interface and = power cables, Kyma X manual, Rack ears, transferable registration & = support, Kyma X software. Also includes Green Tea Software's Looper = Construction Kit software.

Massively granulate, chop, warp, morph, echo, ring = modulate, convolve, pitch shift, time stretch, filter, and of course, = loop...


Green Tea Software Looper Construction Kit-=A0http://www.greenteasoftware.com/lck.htm
=

New value = $6,044.00

For = sale at $4900 plus shipping.

Located in California, just = north of San Francisco.

Thanks for the bandwidth-

Mark


= --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26275_1171659291_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26275_1171659291_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 21:07:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 530C63BF30; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.84.126.202] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <7a7d63f7e4f2edc90650c392be5bee1f@glasswing.com> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Brave New World" (was: Re: The Police on Tour) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:07:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2007 21:07:11.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CF27FC0:01C7520E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Well said Richard... Here's to that ....... >From: Richard Sales >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: "Brave New World" (was: Re: The Police on Tour) >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:00:29 -0800 > >This is true. There is only one reason to do music - because you love it. > All the others - money, sex, fame etc are spooky dead ends. It's the >only reason that won't slap you in the face, depress you, send you on >tirades against those who've had better luck. And it protects you from >doing music you don't care about, or second guessing the record folks... >or making Artifice instead of Art. And finally, it will never let you >down. > >This is not to say that those who are furious - and sometimes for good >reason - don't love music. But it's something I tell myself and all the >up and coming folks I meet and work with. It keeps it clean. And you'll >live longer. And you have more time to practice. > >Thanks for the note Aaron. And be glad you have mono... > >It could be stereo... >or surround > >richard sales >glassWing farm and studio >vancouver island, b.c. >800.545.6846 >250.752.4816 >www.glassWing.com >www.richardsales.com >www.hayleysales.com >www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >On 16-Feb-07, at 11:05 AM, aaron leese wrote: > >> >> >>Gee .... wouldn't it be better if the record companies all took a hike, >>and we could go back to playing for barn dances and the occasional county >>fair, with no real hopes of making it big, and no real possibility for >>global or even country wide distribution. >> >>I mean, big business may have commodified music, and may produce the >>lamest sorts of it ...... but what I really resent is that the music >>industry produced the weirder stuff like polka, avant garde jazz, serbian >>classical folk..... wouldn't we all be better off if we had never heard >>of such things? And the internet ..... worldwide distribution of music >>of all sorts for free .... god, don't even get me started. >> >>Lets get back to a time when nobody used business to promote music ... >>and when it wasn't distributed at all ..... Yeah .... that way, none of >>us can resent that some people are making huge amounts of money of of >>music that we don't think is worthy of such plaudits..... >> >>and poor, pooor us ..... who have laptops ..... and can record music and >>then upload it to the internet and get people all over the world to hear >>it ...... >> >>Who cares if other people are gettin rich off of music .... and what >>difference does it make if the record industry sucks in all sorts of ways >>...... things could always be better ... but they are pretty damn good >>I'd say. >> >>Anyway, thats my half optimist rant ..... I'm sitting at home sick as a >>dog with mono .... so I thought I would spread the love. >> >>ciao >>Aaron >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a >>month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp? >>product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f >>6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 >> _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 21:32:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D80973BF24; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <021620072054.26275.45D61A1B0003BB61000066A32207000953C90A0B01049F0307@comcast.net> References: <021620072054.26275.45D61A1B0003BB61000066A32207000953C90A0B01049F0307@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Landman Subject: Re: Kyma System with Looper Construction Kit for sale Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:32:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_eXFJC.A.ZKD.IMi1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi All- To the best of my knowledge, registered users have always been given special prices on hardware upgrades, along with support. The Symbolic Sound folks have an excellent reputation for how they treat their user base, anyone concerned could easily confirm this with a little web browsing. Lastly, in my own experience with them, I had a repair issue that was done for me by them essentially for the cost of shipping, even though I was not the original owner. I wish all manufacturers treated their users this well! Best- Mark On Feb 16, 2007, at 12:54 PM, Ancient Eyeball Recipe wrote: > > A buyer should be aware that the license isn't really fully > transferable. The user is eligible for support, but not for any > special prices on upgrades. given that there is likely a hardware > upgrade sooner rather than later, that may be relevant. > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Mark Landman >> Let's try this one more time- >> >> Kyma Capybara 320 sound processor with 2 additional DSP cards, >> Motormix (tightly integrated motorized control surface), Firewire >> interface and power cables, Kyma X manual, Rack ears, transferable >> registration & support, Kyma X software. Also includes Green Tea >> Software's Looper Construction Kit software. >> >> Massively granulate, chop, warp, morph, echo, ring modulate, >> convolve, pitch shift, time stretch, filter, and of course, loop... >> >> Kyma- http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Products/WebHome >> >> Green Tea Software Looper Construction Kit- http:// >> www.greenteasoftware.com/lck.htm >> >> New value $6,044.00 >> >> For sale at $4900 plus shipping. >> >> Located in California, just north of San Francisco. >> >> Thanks for the bandwidth- >> >> Mark >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 21:39:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D2BC3BF30; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:39:41 -0700 Message-Id: <200702162139.l1GLdfdT025293@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: OT: Cheap Drum Machine X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:39:43 +0000 (UTC) OT I know, but then again, you all know a lot of useful OT things like which is a better cheap drum machine, the Alesis SR16 and the Zoom RT 223. I can find both used for less than $100 and was curious if anyone had any experience with either of them that might sway me one way or another. I'm basically looking for a machine I can play live and has Midi out. Beyond that I'm flexible (other than wanting to keep my costs around $100). Oh yes, and I'm more partial to drum machine sounds that sound like machines rather than poor approximations of real drums. I will be looping this machine Thanks Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 21:48:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FF013BF17; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=LINxk0jNGW8kJWfHnO6oWapL0FdeZbaD4ro3Qb+HL/sfs6ma4f/xOlaJJDB/gqAxWswJy3uzMMXTKxCumex+Ci4WEBj2RSTPSj5K/jiqFjs/dMt67m2BLS9tfergyaos/3uMtkB7gJaUZCO5kcRzt1HiojfNvB9/7i0n0WvrSR8= Message-ID: <26ba8d120702161348j7cee61e6ga509b9134de58dea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:48:21 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c7123f12a5b92eea Resent-Message-ID: <-EyOfC.A.s8D.oai1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:48:24 +0000 (UTC) On 2/15/07, Charles Zwicky wrote: > > > Tell me -- aside from dinosaur acts, what current top 10 musician/pop > star is famous for their musicianship? > > > > > http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=The+Billboard+Hot+100 > > > > > The question is rhetorical, and I assume that you really meant 'virtuosity', > > > but the reality is that NOBODY CARES except other musos!!! There was a time when that wasn't true. > If you can convey a song with meaning, that is true musicianship. Looking at this top 100 list, I don't see too many examples of that -- though there are quite a few I don't know. Anyway, my point wasn't to slag specific musicians -- the point is that the record industry concentrates almost all its money on monster acts these days (and ever since "Thriller") and spends far less on A&R and actually "developing" acts than it ever used to -- which means less concentration of musical quality. Something like Sting's tour IS bad for lesser musicians as it consumes an awful lot of people's live music budget. -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 21:52:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EEDC3BF38; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: implode7@comcast.net (Ancient Eyeball Recipe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kyma System with Looper Construction Kit for sale Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:52:51 +0000 Message-Id: <021620072152.13288.45D627B3000C8745000033E82205889116C90A0B01049F0307@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: aW1wbG9kZTdAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Well, I was told this in person by Kurt at one point, and I believe that somewhere on their site (or in the license agreement, I can't recall) this is explicitly stated. they do treat their users well, but I believe that what I'm saying is correct. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Mark Landman > Hi All- > > To the best of my knowledge, registered users have always been given > special prices on hardware upgrades, along with support. The Symbolic > Sound folks have an excellent reputation for how they treat their > user base, anyone concerned could easily confirm this with a little > web browsing. > > Lastly, in my own experience with them, I had a repair issue that was > done for me by them essentially for the cost of shipping, even though > I was not the original owner. I wish all manufacturers treated their > users this well! > > Best- > > Mark > > On Feb 16, 2007, at 12:54 PM, Ancient Eyeball Recipe wrote: > > > > > A buyer should be aware that the license isn't really fully > > transferable. The user is eligible for support, but not for any > > special prices on upgrades. given that there is likely a hardware > > upgrade sooner rather than later, that may be relevant. > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: Mark Landman > >> Let's try this one more time- > >> > >> Kyma Capybara 320 sound processor with 2 additional DSP cards, > >> Motormix (tightly integrated motorized control surface), Firewire > >> interface and power cables, Kyma X manual, Rack ears, transferable > >> registration & support, Kyma X software. Also includes Green Tea > >> Software's Looper Construction Kit software. > >> > >> Massively granulate, chop, warp, morph, echo, ring modulate, > >> convolve, pitch shift, time stretch, filter, and of course, loop... > >> > >> Kyma- http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Products/WebHome > >> > >> Green Tea Software Looper Construction Kit- http:// > >> www.greenteasoftware.com/lck.htm > >> > >> New value $6,044.00 > >> > >> For sale at $4900 plus shipping. > >> > >> Located in California, just north of San Francisco. > >> > >> Thanks for the bandwidth- > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 22:05:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AD393BF26; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:06:07 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:05:21 +0000 (UTC) The looperlative lacks some basic features that pros want. I've got several people asking me to build a device that will not only have individual outs so that tracks can be mixed in a studio environment, but can *also* be controlled in a performance environment individually without midi (ie. perfectly smooth volume transitions etc.) I'm talking to some companies and seeing what it will take to tool up to produce a conception like this since Bob at looperlative seems too busy to get back to me about the possibility of modifying his product to do these things. I would also hope to beat the price point by a good margin since the parts obviously aren't that expensive going into a project like this. But we'll see how much design hassle is involved these days. I've not done anything for a couple years. Should be fun. Let me know if you are interested in updates and I'll put your request in a folder. -Bob > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 22:06:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E97833BF38; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120702161348j7cee61e6ga509b9134de58dea@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702161348j7cee61e6ga509b9134de58dea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:06:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b5711209a59994164ea3dbba6158ca5a768741f5bff31af8927e75a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:06:04 +0000 (UTC) >On 2/15/07, Charles Zwicky wrote: >>Tell me -- aside from dinosaur acts, what current top 10 musician/pop >>star is famous for their musicianship? >>http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=The+Billboard+Hot+100 >> >>The question is rhetorical, and I assume that you really meant 'virtuosity', >>but the reality is that NOBODY CARES except other musos!!! > >There was a time when that wasn't true. No, not really. For every "Gentle Giant" there was a Debbie Boone. The reality is that every record on the charts was produced by talented musicians, producers, and engineers. >>If you can convey a song with meaning, that is true musicianship. > >Looking at this top 100 list, I don't see too many examples of that -- >though there are quite a few I don't know. > >Anyway, my point wasn't to slag specific musicians -- the point is >that the record industry concentrates almost all its money on monster >acts these days (and ever since "Thriller") and spends far less on A&R >and actually "developing" acts than it ever used to -- which means >less concentration of musical quality. Also not true. Look at the late 1970s. You would think that there were only 5 bands: Led Zep Arrowsmith, Skinnerd, Boston, Foreigner... What became of the hundreds of other bands of that era? All one needs do is read a few interviews with them to find out how little has changed. >Something like Sting's tour IS bad for lesser musicians as it consumes >an awful lot of people's live music budget. Now that's true!! -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 22:20:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 281683BF1F; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:20:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <021620072152.13288.45D627B3000C8745000033E82205889116C90A0B01049F0307@comcast.net> References: <021620072152.13288.45D627B3000C8745000033E82205889116C90A0B01049F0307@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7F86D66A-E619-4E4D-B782-D183B0E20502@sonic.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Mark Landman Subject: Re: Kyma System with Looper Construction Kit for sale Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:20:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:20:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi Again- =46rom the Symbolic Sounds site- > How much does a support contract cost? > > We offer free e-mail, fax, and telephone support. > > Once I buy the system, am I then on my own or do I become part of a =20= > "family"? > > Now that you mention it, it is a bit familial at times (even down =20 > to the detail that we might feel a little hurt if we never hear =20 > from you!). > > Seriously though, there is a strong Kyma community and there are =20 > plenty of opportunities to interact with other Kyma users and with =20 > the hardware/software developers both online and in person at =20 > various trade shows and educational workshops around the world. > > The kyma=95tweaky site is a place for posting news of Kyma-related =20 > events (concert dates, album releases, games, workshops, etc.), =20 > asking questions and exchanging patches designed by your "Kyma-=20 > siblings" (to further the family analogy). And the Eighth Nerve =20 > email list and online newsletter provides news on some of the =20 > intriguing applications that make use of Kyma. and more to the point- > Software updates and hardware upgrades > > What is the current version number on the software? When is the =20 > next one coming out? How much does each software update cost? > > > > We are currently shipping Kyma X (where 'X' stands for the last =20 > letter in 'six'). Major updates (where the first number increments) =20= > cost somewhere between $150 and $200. Minor updates (where the =20 > numbers after the decimal point are incremented) are provided free =20 > throughout the year and are downloadable from our web site. > > When is the next software or hardware upgrade coming out? > > We are always working on improving Kyma. But because we know from =20 > past experience how difficult it is to accurately predict release =20 > dates, it is our policy not to discuss dates or projected times for =20= > any new software or hardware. > > One thing we can tell you, though, is that we have a long track =20 > record of providing multiple upgrade paths and generous discounts =20 > to our current customers. > > Remember that any time you buy a new computer (or for that matter =20 > any kind of technology, even old technology like a car), you do so =20 > with the certain knowledge that the company is already working on =20 > next year's model (or in the case of computers, it could even be =20 > next quarter's model). It is a familiar dilemma faced by every =20 > person who has ever purchased a computer: Can I afford to wait for =20 > the new model to come out? Or do I have some work I need to do now =20 > and could Kyma make a difference in the quality of that work? > > When a computer-maker comes out with a new model, it doesn't mean =20 > that the old model on your desk stops working, and similarly for =20 > the Capybara. But Symbolic Sound goes a step further by offering a =20 > special discount on hardware upgrades to current users based upon =20 > how long they have had the system. (And when was the last time your =20= > friendly computer manufacturer offered you a deal like that?). I think this all sums it up pretty well. It's in Symbolic's best =20 interest to keep the value up for all their products, to keep their =20 base of regular users upgrading, so they're relatively generous in =20 that respect. BTW, the software upgrades are usually pretty generous too, usually =20 having several "big" improvements per year beside numerous smaller =20 ones. For example, Kyma X was the most recent big upgrade, to which =20 their crossfilter (realtime convolution module) was added midway, =20 followed later with their Tau synthesis algorithm, a mondo pitch/time/=20= formant graphic editor/module combination for multiple simultaneous =20 samples. In between there were a lot of fixes and introduction of =20 other new features. Any further questions please feel free to email me off-list, Thanks- Mark On Feb 16, 2007, at 1:52 PM, Ancient Eyeball Recipe wrote: > > Well, I was told this in person by Kurt at one point, and I believe =20= > that somewhere on their site (or in the license agreement, I can't =20 > recall) this is explicitly stated. they do treat their users well, =20 > but I believe that what I'm saying is correct. > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Mark Landman X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2154 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:37:29 UTC Received: from fladjusters.com (adsl-065-015-028-215.sip.mia.bellsouth.net [65.15.28.215]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D195E3BEF0; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:37:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User [66.137.204.115] by fladjusters.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A2F6170178; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:32:38 -0500 From: "Capital One Security" Subject: Security: Online Banking Update Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:34:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20070216163246.SM02200@User> To: undisclosed-recipients:;

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Copyright © 2007 - Capital One Bank From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 22:38:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71D983BF2D; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: implode7@comcast.net (Ancient Eyeball Recipe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kyma System with Looper Construction Kit for sale Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:37:59 +0000 Message-Id: <021620072237.29676.45D6324700061803000073EC2200761394C90A0B01049F0307@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: aW1wbG9kZTdAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Nothing in your post really addresses the issue. The following seems to address the issue: "Although you are encouraged to transfer the software license in order to receive free tech support and free access to minor software updates and fixes; discounts on future hardware and major software upgrades apply to original purchasers only. " That was my understanding of the way that it works. I was actually looking to sell my Kyma system a few months ago (since have changed my mind) and because my investigations at the time led me to believe that there was this restriction, I included that in my postings. I think that there is at least a doubt as to whether the buyer will get discounts on upgrades, and I would hate to buy this and find this out the hard way. of course, a quick call or email to Symbolic sound would resolve it. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Mark Landman > Hi Again- > > From the Symbolic Sounds site- > > > How much does a support contract cost? > > > > We offer free e-mail, fax, and telephone support. > > > > Once I buy the system, am I then on my own or do I become part of a > > "family"? > > > > Now that you mention it, it is a bit familial at times (even down > > to the detail that we might feel a little hurt if we never hear > > from you!). > > > > Seriously though, there is a strong Kyma community and there are > > plenty of opportunities to interact with other Kyma users and with > > the hardware/software developers both online and in person at > > various trade shows and educational workshops around the world. > > > > The kyma•tweaky site is a place for posting news of Kyma-related > > events (concert dates, album releases, games, workshops, etc.), > > asking questions and exchanging patches designed by your "Kyma- > > siblings" (to further the family analogy). And the Eighth Nerve > > email list and online newsletter provides news on some of the > > intriguing applications that make use of Kyma. > > and more to the point- > > > > Software updates and hardware upgrades > > > > What is the current version number on the software? When is the > > next one coming out? How much does each software update cost? > > > > > > > > We are currently shipping Kyma X (where 'X' stands for the last > > letter in 'six'). Major updates (where the first number increments) > > cost somewhere between $150 and $200. Minor updates (where the > > numbers after the decimal point are incremented) are provided free > > throughout the year and are downloadable from our web site. > > > > When is the next software or hardware upgrade coming out? > > > > We are always working on improving Kyma. But because we know from > > past experience how difficult it is to accurately predict release > > dates, it is our policy not to discuss dates or projected times for > > any new software or hardware. > > > > One thing we can tell you, though, is that we have a long track > > record of providing multiple upgrade paths and generous discounts > > to our current customers. > > > > Remember that any time you buy a new computer (or for that matter > > any kind of technology, even old technology like a car), you do so > > with the certain knowledge that the company is already working on > > next year's model (or in the case of computers, it could even be > > next quarter's model). It is a familiar dilemma faced by every > > person who has ever purchased a computer: Can I afford to wait for > > the new model to come out? Or do I have some work I need to do now > > and could Kyma make a difference in the quality of that work? > > > > When a computer-maker comes out with a new model, it doesn't mean > > that the old model on your desk stops working, and similarly for > > the Capybara. But Symbolic Sound goes a step further by offering a > > special discount on hardware upgrades to current users based upon > > how long they have had the system. (And when was the last time your > > friendly computer manufacturer offered you a deal like that?). > > I think this all sums it up pretty well. It's in Symbolic's best > interest to keep the value up for all their products, to keep their > base of regular users upgrading, so they're relatively generous in > that respect. > > BTW, the software upgrades are usually pretty generous too, usually > having several "big" improvements per year beside numerous smaller > ones. For example, Kyma X was the most recent big upgrade, to which > their crossfilter (realtime convolution module) was added midway, > followed later with their Tau synthesis algorithm, a mondo pitch/time/ > formant graphic editor/module combination for multiple simultaneous > samples. In between there were a lot of fixes and introduction of > other new features. > > Any further questions please feel free to email me off-list, > > Thanks- > > Mark > > > > > On Feb 16, 2007, at 1:52 PM, Ancient Eyeball Recipe wrote: > > > > > Well, I was told this in person by Kurt at one point, and I believe > > that somewhere on their site (or in the license agreement, I can't > > recall) this is explicitly stated. they do treat their users well, > > but I believe that what I'm saying is correct. > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: Mark Landman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 22:42:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48E053BF2F; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAAbC1UXUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACOcwEBBw4HBR6SRAEBAYE6 Message-ID: <45D63369.3080506@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:42:49 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Brave New World" References: <20070215215702.0C2973BF4D@arsenic.violacea.com> <024601c751d4$4091c4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0ypZT.A.zmG.XNj1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On 16 feb 2007, at 15.10, RICK WALKER wrote: > >> The major labels have gotten so greedy > > That's a rather strong statement for posting on a list Well, those are pretty greedy guys aren't they? andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 22:46:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC55C3BF22; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: implode7@comcast.net (Ancient Eyeball Recipe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kyma System with Looper Construction Kit for sale Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:46:40 +0000 Message-Id: <021620072246.20291.45D634500003BB9700004F432200750330C90A0B01049F0307@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: aW1wbG9kZTdAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: <8aUS5B.A.s2G.RRj1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:46:41 +0000 (UTC) I just called and clarified it with Kurt. I am correct. A buyer should be aware of this. Kurt cited the same link that I found, and said that this stipulation definitely applies. See towards the bottom... -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Mark Landman > Hi Again- > > From the Symbolic Sounds site- > > > How much does a support contract cost? > > > > We offer free e-mail, fax, and telephone support. > > > > Once I buy the system, am I then on my own or do I become part of a > > "family"? > > > > Now that you mention it, it is a bit familial at times (even down > > to the detail that we might feel a little hurt if we never hear > > from you!). > > > > Seriously though, there is a strong Kyma community and there are > > plenty of opportunities to interact with other Kyma users and with > > the hardware/software developers both online and in person at > > various trade shows and educational workshops around the world. > > > > The kyma•tweaky site is a place for posting news of Kyma-related > > events (concert dates, album releases, games, workshops, etc.), > > asking questions and exchanging patches designed by your "Kyma- > > siblings" (to further the family analogy). And the Eighth Nerve > > email list and online newsletter provides news on some of the > > intriguing applications that make use of Kyma. > > and more to the point- > > > > Software updates and hardware upgrades > > > > What is the current version number on the software? When is the > > next one coming out? How much does each software update cost? > > > > > > > > We are currently shipping Kyma X (where 'X' stands for the last > > letter in 'six'). Major updates (where the first number increments) > > cost somewhere between $150 and $200. Minor updates (where the > > numbers after the decimal point are incremented) are provided free > > throughout the year and are downloadable from our web site. > > > > When is the next software or hardware upgrade coming out? > > > > We are always working on improving Kyma. But because we know from > > past experience how difficult it is to accurately predict release > > dates, it is our policy not to discuss dates or projected times for > > any new software or hardware. > > > > One thing we can tell you, though, is that we have a long track > > record of providing multiple upgrade paths and generous discounts > > to our current customers. > > > > Remember that any time you buy a new computer (or for that matter > > any kind of technology, even old technology like a car), you do so > > with the certain knowledge that the company is already working on > > next year's model (or in the case of computers, it could even be > > next quarter's model). It is a familiar dilemma faced by every > > person who has ever purchased a computer: Can I afford to wait for > > the new model to come out? Or do I have some work I need to do now > > and could Kyma make a difference in the quality of that work? > > > > When a computer-maker comes out with a new model, it doesn't mean > > that the old model on your desk stops working, and similarly for > > the Capybara. But Symbolic Sound goes a step further by offering a > > special discount on hardware upgrades to current users based upon > > how long they have had the system. (And when was the last time your > > friendly computer manufacturer offered you a deal like that?). > > I think this all sums it up pretty well. It's in Symbolic's best > interest to keep the value up for all their products, to keep their > base of regular users upgrading, so they're relatively generous in > that respect. > > BTW, the software upgrades are usually pretty generous too, usually > having several "big" improvements per year beside numerous smaller > ones. For example, Kyma X was the most recent big upgrade, to which > their crossfilter (realtime convolution module) was added midway, > followed later with their Tau synthesis algorithm, a mondo pitch/time/ > formant graphic editor/module combination for multiple simultaneous > samples. In between there were a lot of fixes and introduction of > other new features. > > Any further questions please feel free to email me off-list, > > Thanks- > > Mark > > > > > On Feb 16, 2007, at 1:52 PM, Ancient Eyeball Recipe wrote: > > > > > Well, I was told this in person by Kurt at one point, and I believe > > that somewhere on their site (or in the license agreement, I can't > > recall) this is explicitly stated. they do treat their users well, > > but I believe that what I'm saying is correct. > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: Mark Landman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 23:05:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB2523BF24; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:05:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <45D63369.3080506@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20070215215702.0C2973BF4D@arsenic.violacea.com> <024601c751d4$4091c4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <45D63369.3080506@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3F2B0EC1-E261-4F81-A5A5-B5DC383AC182@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: "Brave New World" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:05:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:05:59 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 16, 2007, at 5:42 PM, andy butler wrote: > Per Boysen wrote: >> On 16 feb 2007, at 15.10, RICK WALKER wrote: >>> The major labels have gotten so greedy >> That's a rather strong statement for posting on a list > > Well, those are pretty greedy guys aren't they? > > andybutler > I think it's like saying that the Irish really have lots of red hair... tis the nature of the beast, no? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 23:06:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D4983BF2D; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <021620072237.29676.45D6324700061803000073EC2200761394C90A0B01049F0307@comcast.net> References: <021620072237.29676.45D6324700061803000073EC2200761394C90A0B01049F0307@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4591E721-F196-43B1-AB07-7BF3F98E2527@sonic.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Landman Subject: Ongoing Kyma mystery solved! Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:06:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:06:24 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 16, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Ancient Eyeball Recipe wrote: > > Nothing in your post really addresses the issue. The following > seems to address the issue: > "Although you are encouraged to transfer the software license in > order to receive free tech support and free access to minor > software updates and fixes; discounts on future hardware and major > software upgrades apply to original purchasers only. " > > That was my understanding of the way that it works. I was actually > looking to sell my Kyma system a few months ago (since have changed > my mind) and because my investigations at the time led me to > believe that there was this restriction, I included that in my > postings. I think that there is at least a doubt as to whether the > buyer will get discounts on upgrades, and I would hate to buy this > and find this out the hard way. > > of course, a quick call or email to Symbolic sound would resolve it. > Yes indeed. And after talking to them, I'm glad you brought the subject up. According to Carla, hardware upgrades in the past were exactly as I had described (and experienced). Unfortunately, Symbolic Sound has since decided not to offer as generous deals for "transfer" users, in order to bolster hardware sales. According to her, she believes this change occurred within the last year or so, and apologized that there are still conflicting descriptions on the web site of exactly what discounts they will offer. Bottom line, the registration and support are transferable as I stated in my original post, and Ancient Eyeball Recipe is correct that future hardware upgrades won't be discounted for transfered licenses. Sorry for any confusion- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 23:18:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD81B3BF26; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: implode7@comcast.net (Ancient Eyeball Recipe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ongoing Kyma mystery solved! Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:18:54 +0000 Message-Id: <021620072318.8795.45D63BDE00037B0F0000225B2206999735C90A0B01049F0307@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: aW1wbG9kZTdAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:18:56 +0000 (UTC) It's understandable - the license agreement seems to imply that there are no restrictions, and the only place that mentions that there is this issue is in an obscure location. It's been more than a year though. I remember quite well talking to Kurt about it 2 years ago, because I had a possibly great deal on a used 320 at the time (cheaper than it would have been to upgrade my 66) - and I called them up to find out exactly what the deal was. I subsequently upgraded through them anyway. I do want to emphasize that they have fantastic customer support. Everything that you said about that aspect is correct. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Mark Landman > > On Feb 16, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Ancient Eyeball Recipe wrote: > > > > > Nothing in your post really addresses the issue. The following > > seems to address the issue: > > "Although you are encouraged to transfer the software license in > > order to receive free tech support and free access to minor > > software updates and fixes; discounts on future hardware and major > > software upgrades apply to original purchasers only. " > > > > That was my understanding of the way that it works. I was actually > > looking to sell my Kyma system a few months ago (since have changed > > my mind) and because my investigations at the time led me to > > believe that there was this restriction, I included that in my > > postings. I think that there is at least a doubt as to whether the > > buyer will get discounts on upgrades, and I would hate to buy this > > and find this out the hard way. > > > > of course, a quick call or email to Symbolic sound would resolve it. > > > > Yes indeed. And after talking to them, I'm glad you brought the > subject up. > > According to Carla, hardware upgrades in the past were exactly as I > had described (and experienced). Unfortunately, Symbolic Sound has > since decided not to offer as generous deals for "transfer" users, in > order to bolster hardware sales. According to her, she believes this > change occurred within the last year or so, and apologized that there > are still conflicting descriptions on the web site of exactly what > discounts they will offer. > > Bottom line, the registration and support are transferable as I > stated in my original post, and Ancient Eyeball Recipe is correct > that future hardware upgrades won't be discounted for transfered > licenses. > > Sorry for any confusion- > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 23:23:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 132223BF2B; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YyxTCHPL+H6rUuS7MTsD1jFOI6Yb7I1VR5HNnq9Tg2qc2VaQS+bXZOazUrQXYSIryH+u0pqHfMNp+A4SlKh9aJPsZIHYaukaFvHtdTX+4s/m2iQp/ohBy/u0S0rE4MptKahc8j263KykJ6BkSL7BC5UTjXJMsff4QXs9993FLUY= ; Message-ID: <20070216232320.23558.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: SYkaI_EVM1m3n1T9jKrJOsKZ6iG.y4Uk8SSSMoP43r97QFgI1tGIbGpgsoRqheYZVnVLgoX0_DHfIgTl6XZymo4OfXY9W0NZhYWgN_RrTzTbZEzL90OhEyzxnct9PEGVeA2FnRuo.Q97lMM- Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:23:20 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: Cheap Drum Machine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200702162139.l1GLdfdT025293@minds-eye.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8ACz-B.A.W1.pzj1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:23:22 +0000 (UTC) I know this isn't truely answering your question, but since we're in the neighborhood... http://www.soniccharge.com/products so very good. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 00:04:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7CC73BF22; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AOQEAmdtu6VpCApc2CS07OxrXzC9CwOGrZ5a7N5O5aatJIFa2U+5U3TrARN16UZ8YEbA7b5a03g1c9JOQCK/5iIipRBD87lccXFA7UpSrheMnxbrZcYectvBvmpLPEGwpQEdSgHBX7UOEeoWgilJMUfsPBYQAe1LSj9e+8Q/tGo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45D63369.3080506@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20070215215702.0C2973BF4D@arsenic.violacea.com> <024601c751d4$4091c4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <45D63369.3080506@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <45DAFBC1-8022-41C6-BE7A-EFB105A27F35@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: "Brave New World" Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:04:49 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:04:56 +0000 (UTC) >> On 16 feb 2007, at 15.10, RICK WALKER wrote: >>> The major labels have gotten so greedy Per Boysen wrote: >> That's a rather strong statement for posting on a list > On 16 feb 2007, at 23.42, andy butler wrote: > Well, those are pretty greedy guys aren't they? Yes, no doubt. But that's what they have always been. I was saying that their greed is no new thing that caused their business to fail. That failure is an effect of not adapting their business model to general changes over the field. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 00:21:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DF273BF22; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=YzTISQr+0ys+jZc89q413KP9Ubq+GHrJniaZw1bPc9mJ7NTiOs/RFi0ycZ/7iAUoRCAYOaUYPztxf9/3oEYOfZVCdh6Y9taecAAPz7QiG15ma1j3cnuQ1GqR3eyK5Zi2NvffcFeUFw0+aGiNDXGPKfD4VJTWCRKktiz53awd0G8=; X-YMail-OSG: bSlVFPQVM1mPovtIOyEDQrKlrTqDBQQZ4E5hENdpESmjswQ4tnpZOalOlcKASrluiUYKvWnJxUgxsjLuYHmrgZOvhyKedBJOJVKskQnOau9gAUJZbGs.CYGZLgFOEJojEG67.L.6aEJkxTI- Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:21:43 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: "Brave New World" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45DAFBC1-8022-41C6-BE7A-EFB105A27F35@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <896567.69927.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:21:46 +0000 (UTC) I may be wrong... but I think it's because their field is going away. Record companies are promoter/marketers/distributors. They can only do this if they're in control and are the sole gatekeepers. Enter the internet which makes it just as easy for me to buy Per's new album (BTW, I highly recommend all Per's music, go get it!) MTV and radio are dead as music advertisement devices. YouTube and Myspace have taken their place. Why risk bumping into a mall walker when I can buy directly from Rick Walker? (I live for such sentences) I really think that we're seeing the last generation of mega-stars. Perhaps music will come back to being a part of "village life" but that village is virtual. Money for music will become more evenly distributed as opposed to musician A charging $3 at the door of a small club and musician B charging $170 for a seat in an arena. Maybe this is all wishful thinking, but it seems as if it might be going that way. I didn't make this all up, Marshall did: http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Media-Extensions-Marshall-McLuhan/dp/0262631598 Interesting reading, for sure. Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > That failure is an effect of not adapting their > business model to > general changes over the field. ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 00:48:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 675983BF14; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.84.126.202] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <45DAFBC1-8022-41C6-BE7A-EFB105A27F35@gmail.com> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Brave New World" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:48:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2007 00:48:58.0093 (UTC) FILETIME=[6857A9D0:01C7522D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Yeah .... I'm with you guys on the new business model theory ...... back to the village .... small bands of travelling bards hailing their arrival online to a virtual audience of affluent young music lovers who (thanks to the internet) have sopped up the sweet, sweet honey of a thousand musical styles and are equipped to enjoy the new fusions choices offered by, sayyy ... loopers and other musical weirdos..... maybe the illness is making me delusional and a bit euphoric...... I Heard this on NPR .. then read about it on Wikipedia .... The first debut of the "The Rite of Spring" by Stravinsky caused the audience to run screaming from the theatre and spilling out to riot in the streets. It was just too dissonant for the audience to endur .... Years later, after the second performance of the same piece (second time in Paris anyway), Stravinsky was carried from the theatre by the audience and hailed as a genius. Moral is: it's always good for the audience to know approximately what they are getting themselves into ... so full circle now ..... yayyyyy internet ...... ok ... time for the NyQuil ... Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Don’t miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from Microsoft® Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0540002499mrt/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 18:18:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2B223BEF1; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=g7vmf78f+reuwgpvBFUdB4P9RCU6rktsXIXualLT3EC05IhfCo1ZzWC14K10/z8L6enFr8dvQcmC1Uq4kSmwFuc8sU3we/BSoDFLTlduZRsh4QH9eDBrvo61wnwwkcApcpCcKB1/6ed7BAQzjHuxDoljFpzF4+YU3Db3tv/baYU= Message-ID: <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:18:47 -0600 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... In-Reply-To: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:18:48 +0000 (UTC) i would be intested in some updates :) Charlie On 2/16/07, Bob Weigel wrote: > The looperlative lacks some basic features that pros want. I've got > several people asking me to build a device that will not only have > individual outs so that tracks can be mixed in a studio environment, but > can *also* be controlled in a performance environment individually > without midi (ie. perfectly smooth volume transitions etc.) I'm > talking to some companies and seeing what it will take to tool up to > produce a conception like this since Bob at looperlative seems too busy > to get back to me about the possibility of modifying his product to do > these things. I would also hope to beat the price point by a good > margin since the parts obviously aren't that expensive going into a > project like this. But we'll see how much design hassle is involved > these days. I've not done anything for a couple years. Should be > fun. Let me know if you are interested in updates and I'll put your > request in a folder. -Bob > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 18:25:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00BF43BF08; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:25:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:25:05 +0000 (UTC) You are going to fund this personally? Are you a lawer, doctor, or investor? That's a lot of software and hardware development hours. While you are at it, please create a VST version of the box. I wish everyone did this. Kris > On 2/16/07, Bob Weigel wrote: >> The looperlative lacks some basic features that pros want. I've got >> several people asking me to build a device that will not only have >> individual outs so that tracks can be mixed in a studio environment, but >> can *also* be controlled in a performance environment individually >> without midi (ie. perfectly smooth volume transitions etc.) I'm >> talking to some companies and seeing what it will take to tool up to >> produce a conception like this since Bob at looperlative seems too busy >> to get back to me about the possibility of modifying his product to do >> these things. I would also hope to beat the price point by a good >> margin since the parts obviously aren't that expensive going into a >> project like this. But we'll see how much design hassle is involved >> these days. I've not done anything for a couple years. Should be >> fun. 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Copyright © 2007 - Capital One Bank From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 19:05:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F89E3BED0; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nGM4YoNnmiY6eBRuQcsMfRImoxj8F7Vpc7Gk1sapxBOlykSIQ6oHj1hsqOtZ2bIX+mWcSUso1eXnR+9CGz2552RZ4bVZVhSSPEdMIEfcgA9pc6ZTDWzC0gFgJ0i38HFA8uIHZzknYbjgzGzquDdz8VGLe6nWa6TPjdxE18X9Zkg= In-Reply-To: <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1DC72969-A80B-43E3-8B7E-0C72956ABB1B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:05:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:05:09 +0000 (UTC) On 2/16/07, Bob Weigel wrote: > The looperlative lacks some basic features that pros want. I've got > several people asking me to build a device that will not only have > individual outs so that tracks can be mixed in a studio > environment, but > can *also* be controlled in a performance environment individually > without midi (ie. perfectly smooth volume transitions etc.) I'm > talking to some companies and seeing what it will take to tool up to > produce a conception like this since Bob at looperlative seems too > busy > to get back to me about the possibility of modifying his product to do > these things. I would also hope to beat the price point by a good > margin since the parts obviously aren't that expensive going into a > project like this. But we'll see how much design hassle is involved > these days. I've not done anything for a couple years. Should be > fun. Let me know if you are interested in updates and I'll put your > request in a folder. -Bob Yes, please. I'm interested in updates, thank you. Do you have a feature specification? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 19:14:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 638153BEDC; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3DF0B5F1-C7DB-4ED6-A8E4-2D5C3A44E1ED@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:14:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:14:26 +0000 (UTC) > But we'll see how much design hassle is involved these days. Do you have a good understanding of digital audio software design and DSP programming? I'll wager that by far the majority of time you're going to spend on the "product" will be on the software, not the hardware design. Do not underestimate how hard this is. > I've got several people asking me to build a device that will not only have > individual outs so that tracks can be mixed in a studio environment, but > can *also* be controlled in a performance environment individually > without midi (ie. perfectly smooth volume transitions etc.) Can you elaborate on this? Are you asking for more than the 128 discrete volume steps that MIDI allows, or are you talking about "zipper noise" that digital audio sysems can have when making large volume sweeps without a "smoothing" algorithm? I have a hard time believing that in a live performance situation the audience is going to be able to tell the difference between 128 volume steps and 16,384. Maybe in the studio under very accurate listening conditions, but live? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 19:15:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64DBA3BEDD; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D7627D.2020902@imt.net> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:15:57 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:15:07 +0000 (UTC) I'm a designer/inventor. The last project I did that involved other people I developed the entire project and we jobbed it out for production to a company that the sales guy 'checked out'...and they didn't even have any electronic engineers on staff we later found out as they totally hosed us (Miller dial...an old american company that has apparently hired a bunch of drop outs from overseas. Unbelievably stupid story...) Meanwhile the other guys in the company made all the decisions over booze and since I don't drink I guess they ignored all my recommendations; 4 of which totally killed the finances. I only got paid for a thousand something of my work on the prototype. It was an RV jack controller device that would remember unhook position for a 5th wheel, level precisely using only 10 bit read w/out a voltage ref.. (bit of a trick :-). amazing what you can do in s/w. They initially told me they'd only need it to roughly level within a couple inches..then an inch...then suddenly we need 1/4"! and we had already had them do the design leaving out the voltage reference required to improve the resolution. Anybody want to guess how I managed to get it to hit level without any hardware changes? :-) ). So anyway I'm fairly fresh with PIC programming from that project at least. And I'll be using a pic processor to do some of the stuff in this one probably. (switch debouncing/processing, volume control track etc. btw..one of the very important features of this unit will be that it has my single pedal volume control interface. We probably can get by with 10 bit A/D there because if need be, there will be a movement sensing in s/w which gates the selected CV's directly to the pedal voltage! This allows for absolutely smooth transitions to extinction. The only 'glitch' will be if someone decides to run it to very very near extinction but then stop at which point the 10 bit converter will appoximate and in a second you'll hear a discernable change in volume as the analog switching kicks over to the DAC output. But anyway we're going to make this a *very* nice unit for controlling in a live performance. ) The whole objective also is to make this more like the Jamman which nicely syncs loops so that you dont' have to press buttons precisely. We may have it with a couple *modes* and call that 'tight' mode or something and have an 'open' mode which allows people to do polyrhytmic overlays if they want :-). But minimally we want it to be capable of tight looping regardless of when the user hits the start button. A host of other nested possibilities with tempo tapping/sliding are being considered also. And some other options that I probably shouldn't mention at this time :-). -Bob Krispen Hartung wrote: > You are going to fund this personally? Are you a lawer, doctor, or > investor? That's a lot of software and hardware development hours. > > While you are at it, please create a VST version of the box. I wish > everyone did this. > > Kris > >> On 2/16/07, Bob Weigel wrote: >> >>> The looperlative lacks some basic features that pros want. I've got >>> several people asking me to build a device that will not only have >>> individual outs so that tracks can be mixed in a studio environment, >>> but >>> can *also* be controlled in a performance environment individually >>> without midi (ie. perfectly smooth volume transitions etc.) I'm >>> talking to some companies and seeing what it will take to tool up to >>> produce a conception like this since Bob at looperlative seems too busy >>> to get back to me about the possibility of modifying his product to do >>> these things. I would also hope to beat the price point by a good >>> margin since the parts obviously aren't that expensive going into a >>> project like this. But we'll see how much design hassle is involved >>> these days. I've not done anything for a couple years. Should be >>> fun. Let me know if you are interested in updates and I'll put your >>> request in a folder. -Bob >>> >>> > >>> >>> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 19:39:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B98453BEE9; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:39:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:39:48 -0500 From: Domenick Swentosky Subject: More RC-50 Patch Selection To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45D75A04.9010805@greytime.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000714-2, 02/16/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:39:50 +0000 (UTC) Okay, so as I read it in the manual, I'll have to hold the tempo pedal for 2 seconds to get into the Patch Select Mode, then select the patch. I see that it can be set up to switch patches while playback continues, that's good, but the 2 second bit bothers me. I see that I can apply the function of switching phrases up or down to an extra controller pedal, but wouldn't I have to hold down the tempo pedal for 2 seconds to get the RC-50 in Patch Select Mode? Or not? Forgive me if I'm not reading deep enough here. It would be a lot easier if I had the unit in front of me, but I'm just trying to decide wether to get the RC-50 or wait for the new Rang. Thanks. Enjoy the day. Domenick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 20:20:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 488EE3BEDC; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:20:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <45D75A04.9010805@greytime.com> References: <45D75A04.9010805@greytime.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-162887371 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: More RC-50 Patch Selection Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:20:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <69f89.A.La.cO21FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:20:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-162887371 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Well... I haven't done this but I'm betting you can do this with the Behringer FCB10 or whatever the number is. I'd look at the MIDI implementation part of the manual. I find all the footwork to be a bit of a pain in the butt too. But I think some of the guys on this list are as good with their feet as they are with their hands. I think this might be the reason to check out Looperlative - more loops at once. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 17-Feb-07, at 11:39 AM, Domenick Swentosky wrote: > Okay, so as I read it in the manual, I'll have to hold the tempo pedal > for 2 seconds to get into the Patch Select Mode, then select the > patch. I see that it can be set up to switch patches while playback > continues, that's good, but the 2 second bit bothers me. > > I see that I can apply the function of switching phrases up or down to > an extra controller pedal, but wouldn't I have to hold down the tempo > pedal for 2 seconds to get the RC-50 in Patch Select Mode? Or not? > > Forgive me if I'm not reading deep enough here. It would be a lot > easier if I had the unit in front of me, but I'm just trying to decide > wether to get the RC-50 or wait for the new Rang. > > Thanks. > > Enjoy the day. > Domenick > --Apple-Mail-2-162887371 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Well... I haven't done this but I'm betting you can do this with the Behringer FCB10 or whatever the number is. I'd look at the MIDI implementation part of the manual. I find all the footwork to be a bit of a pain in the butt too. But I think some of the guys on this list are as good with their feet as they are with their hands. I think this might be the reason to check out Looperlative - more loops at once. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 17-Feb-07, at 11:39 AM, Domenick Swentosky wrote: Okay, so as I read it in the manual, I'll have to hold the tempo pedal for 2 seconds to get into the Patch Select Mode, then select the patch. I see that it can be set up to switch patches while playback continues, that's good, but the 2 second bit bothers me. I see that I can apply the function of switching phrases up or down to an extra controller pedal, but wouldn't I have to hold down the tempo pedal for 2 seconds to get the RC-50 in Patch Select Mode? Or not? Forgive me if I'm not reading deep enough here. It would be a lot easier if I had the unit in front of me, but I'm just trying to decide wether to get the RC-50 or wait for the new Rang. Thanks. Enjoy the day. Domenick --Apple-Mail-2-162887371-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 20:59:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B74B93BEDC; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D77AE3.40305@imt.net> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:00:03 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3DF0B5F1-C7DB-4ED6-A8E4-2D5C3A44E1ED@zonemobius.com> In-Reply-To: <3DF0B5F1-C7DB-4ED6-A8E4-2D5C3A44E1ED@zonemobius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Mostly right at the end of the taper where it drops off rapidly. We want it to be flexible for doing live or studio work at a professional level and you definitely can tell the difference between 7 bit and analog on volume control :-). I've not done design specifically with dsp chips and yes it'll be a bit of a learning curve I understand. I'm pretty versed like I say in the realm of getting all the control stuff alligned and I've written midi software in C also in the past btw which may help in that realm when we get there. -bob Jeffrey Larson wrote: > > > But we'll see how much design hassle is involved these days. > > Do you have a good understanding of digital audio software design > and DSP programming? I'll wager that by far the majority of time > you're going to spend on the "product" will be on the software, not > the hardware design. Do not underestimate how hard this is. > > > I've got several people asking me to build a device that will not > only have > > individual outs so that tracks can be mixed in a studio > environment, but > > can *also* be controlled in a performance environment individually > > without midi (ie. perfectly smooth volume transitions etc.) > > Can you elaborate on this? Are you asking for more than the 128 > discrete volume steps that MIDI allows, or are you talking > about "zipper noise" that digital audio sysems can have when > making large volume sweeps without a "smoothing" algorithm? > > I have a hard time believing that in a live performance situation > the audience is going to be able to tell the difference between > 128 volume steps and 16,384. Maybe in the studio under > very accurate listening conditions, but live? > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 22:35:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEA7F3BEEA; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45D77AE3.40305@imt.net> References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3DF0B5F1-C7DB-4ED6-A8E4-2D5C3A44E1ED@zonemobius.com> <45D77AE3.40305@imt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <56A7B2C2-050E-407A-9A66-81217FFADC75@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:35:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <1ZoMbD.A.GvH.uM41FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Ok, here's some friendly advice. Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this list. So far you've described a rather basic looper, except that you seem to be obsessed with the resolution of the output level control. In all the wish lists and product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this is not a feature that I remember being mentioned. If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper market, I would be much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, synchronization with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and "editing" functions like insert, multiply, replace, etc. Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not "professional level" is likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that use it, as well as the professional level musicians that use other devices and software with a MIDI volume control. Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical ambitions are being stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal? I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better job smoothing controller changes, or providing a more musically useful attenuation curve at the top end of the range. But there are software solutions to these problems that are quite effective if not perfect. I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a rather odd feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money in this venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market for hardware loopers. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 23:02:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2542E3BEEC; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:02:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "GORDIUS info" To: Subject: RE: Considering building an ultimate looper... Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:04:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <56A7B2C2-050E-407A-9A66-81217FFADC75@zonemobius.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdS4+2PiQC8GzxnTgaTOQ3dWUVtxAAAdRyw Message-Id: <20070217230220.2080E38102@astra.telenet-ops.be> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:02:27 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to add one question to this : What kind of (physical) volume control device do you target, Bob? Something else than a foot pedal? I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new design for a MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the "physical range" of a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have trouble making small enough movements to change the control value with 1 single step in the 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't make any sense when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of controller in mind? (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make it a non-linear transition curve, I would believe you will get much better results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, rather than doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD conversion). Xavier http://www.gordius.be -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com] Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... Ok, here's some friendly advice. Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this list. So far you've described a rather basic looper, except that you seem to be obsessed with the resolution of the output level control. In all the wish lists and product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this is not a feature that I remember being mentioned. If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper market, I would be much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, synchronization with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and "editing" functions like insert, multiply, replace, etc. Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not "professional level" is likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that use it, as well as the professional level musicians that use other devices and software with a MIDI volume control. Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical ambitions are being stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal? I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better job smoothing controller changes, or providing a more musically useful attenuation curve at the top end of the range. But there are software solutions to these problems that are quite effective if not perfect. I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a rather odd feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money in this venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market for hardware loopers. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 23:07:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C920C3BEEE; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:07:32 -0500 From: Domenick Swentosky Subject: Re: More RC-50 Patch Selection In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45D78AB4.8060604@greytime.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000714-2, 02/16/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: <45D75A04.9010805@greytime.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the reply. I sure wouldn't mind stepping up to the Looperlative or the Echoplex, but they are simply out of my price range at this time. I looked at the midi implementation part of the manual, and it's definately possible to switch patches via midi controller too, but my same question remains. I can't be sure if an extra controller pedal will allow me to switch "patches" without the 2 second hold to access the Patch Select Mode. Anyone have any experience with this? The features of the RC-50 are much much deeper than the Boomerang which I've used for a few years now. I'm incorporating a lot more looping into my performances, and I'm really looking forward to buying a new looper and digging into those features. I'm just trying to do enough research to make the right purchase. Thanks for your help. Enjoy the day. Domenick Richard Sales wrote: > Well... I haven't done this but I'm betting you can do this with the > Behringer FCB10 or whatever the number is. I'd look at the MIDI > implementation part of the manual. > > I find all the footwork to be a bit of a pain in the butt too. But I > think some of the guys on this list are as good with their feet as > they are with their hands. > > I think this might be the reason to check out Looperlative - more > loops at once. > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 17-Feb-07, at 11:39 AM, Domenick Swentosky wrote: > > Okay, so as I read it in the manual, I'll have to hold the tempo > pedal for 2 seconds to get into the Patch Select Mode, then select > the patch. I see that it can be set up to switch patches while > playback continues, that's good, but the 2 second bit bothers me. > > I see that I can apply the function of switching phrases up or > down to an extra controller pedal, but wouldn't I have to hold > down the tempo pedal for 2 seconds to get the RC-50 in Patch > Select Mode? Or not? > > Forgive me if I'm not reading deep enough here. It would be a lot > easier if I had the unit in front of me, but I'm just trying to > decide wether to get the RC-50 or wait for the new Rang. > > Thanks. > > Enjoy the day. > Domenick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 23:40:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D7EB3BEE7; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070217191507.C2C353BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rite of Spring Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:40:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2007 23:40:06.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[F426EE20:01C752EC] Resent-Message-ID: <6BbJoB.A.zND.ZJ51FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Can you imagine living in a society passionate enough about art to riot over aesthetics? I don't think it was the dissonance that caused the reaction to Rite of Spring.Shoenberg began publishing dissonant compositions several years earlier.The piece was a ballet and the staging sets,costuming were also all shocking .The intent of the piece was to tap into the primal energy of ancient Pagan rites of spring,and one of th emost important elements was syncopated rhythms inspired by African rhythms. The audience was Eurpopean elites,people whose culture had through the Church,and social orders been working for almost 100 generations to suppress and control primitive/instinctual/sexual energies. And the Rite triggered all that supressed energy,as it was intended to do. Early jazz and rock and roll caused related cultural responses in different demographics. _________________________________________________________________ http://homepage.msn.com/zune?icid=hmetagline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 23:49:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 250F13BEEE; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.35] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.35} Message-ID: <20070217174937.oesuh9zakgcsosos@69.89.21.76> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:49:37 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More RC-50 Patch Selection References: <45D75A04.9010805@greytime.com> <45D78AB4.8060604@greytime.com> In-Reply-To: <45D78AB4.8060604@greytime.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:49:45 +0000 (UTC) You can set up any of the pedals to increment or decrement the pedals =20 without the 2 second press. For example, if you don't need your "UNDO" pedal you could assign it =20 to be a patch increment. To decrement the patch, you would have to =20 "sacrifice" another pedal. Fortunately, you can hook up to four external pedals to the RC50 and =20 they can be assigned to increment or decrement the patches. The patch number can also be controlled with an MIDI program change =20 event that corresponds to the patch number. If you have an external =20 MIDI controller that sends program change messages then this will work =20 "out of the box". Note that when assigning pedals to increment or decrement patches, the =20 assignment is system-wide -- that is it will override the patch =20 settings for the affected pedals. (This makes sense so that you can =20 step through patches.) In a performance situation, you may only need to increment through the =20 patches so you would assign a pedal to increment. If you need to =20 decrement then you'd just use the knob or go into patch-select mode =20 (with the two second wait). -- Kevin Quoting Domenick Swentosky : > Thanks for the reply. > > I sure wouldn't mind stepping up to the Looperlative or the Echoplex, > but they are simply out of my price range at this time. I looked at the > midi implementation part of the manual, and it's definately possible to > switch patches via midi controller too, but my same question remains. > I can't be sure if an extra controller pedal will allow me to switch > "patches" without the 2 second hold to access the Patch Select Mode. > Anyone have any experience with this? > > The features of the RC-50 are much much deeper than the Boomerang which > I've used for a few years now. I'm incorporating a lot more looping > into my performances, and I'm really looking forward to buying a new > looper and digging into those features. I'm just trying to do enough > research to make the right purchase. > > Thanks for your help. > > Enjoy the day. > Domenick > > > Richard Sales wrote: > >> Well... I haven't done this but I'm betting you can do this with =20 >> the Behringer FCB10 or whatever the number is. I'd look at the MIDI =20 >> implementation part of the manual. >> >> I find all the footwork to be a bit of a pain in the butt too. But =20 >> I think some of the guys on this list are as good with their feet =20 >> as they are with their hands. >> >> I think this might be the reason to check out Looperlative - more =20 >> loops at once. >> >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> vancouver island, b.c. >> 800.545.6846 >> 250.752.4816 >> www.glassWing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >> On 17-Feb-07, at 11:39 AM, Domenick Swentosky wrote: >> >> Okay, so as I read it in the manual, I'll have to hold the tempo >> pedal for 2 seconds to get into the Patch Select Mode, then select >> the patch. I see that it can be set up to switch patches while >> playback continues, that's good, but the 2 second bit bothers me. >> >> I see that I can apply the function of switching phrases up or >> down to an extra controller pedal, but wouldn't I have to hold >> down the tempo pedal for 2 seconds to get the RC-50 in Patch >> Select Mode? Or not? >> >> Forgive me if I'm not reading deep enough here. It would be a lot >> easier if I had the unit in front of me, but I'm just trying to >> decide wether to get the RC-50 or wait for the new Rang. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Enjoy the day. >> Domenick >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 23:51:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A63DC3BEDF; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.35] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.35} Message-ID: <20070217175149.mf0t97y6yo48so0c@69.89.21.76> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:51:49 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More RC-50 Patch Selection References: <45D75A04.9010805@greytime.com> <45D78AB4.8060604@greytime.com> <20070217174937.oesuh9zakgcsosos@69.89.21.76> In-Reply-To: <20070217174937.oesuh9zakgcsosos@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Another darned typo... I should have written" > You can set up any of the pedals to increment or decrement the PATCHES > without the 2 second press. Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com: > You can set up any of the pedals to increment or decrement the pedals > without the 2 second press. > > For example, if you don't need your "UNDO" pedal you could assign it to > be a patch increment. To decrement the patch, you would have to > "sacrifice" another pedal. > > Fortunately, you can hook up to four external pedals to the RC50 and > they can be assigned to increment or decrement the patches. > > The patch number can also be controlled with an MIDI program change > event that corresponds to the patch number. If you have an external > MIDI controller that sends program change messages then this will work > "out of the box". > > Note that when assigning pedals to increment or decrement patches, the > assignment is system-wide -- that is it will override the patch > settings for the affected pedals. (This makes sense so that you can > step through patches.) > > In a performance situation, you may only need to increment through the > patches so you would assign a pedal to increment. If you need to > decrement then you'd just use the knob or go into patch-select mode > (with the two second wait). > > -- Kevin > > > Quoting Domenick Swentosky : > >> Thanks for the reply. >> >> I sure wouldn't mind stepping up to the Looperlative or the Echoplex, >> but they are simply out of my price range at this time. I looked at the >> midi implementation part of the manual, and it's definately possible to >> switch patches via midi controller too, but my same question remains. >> I can't be sure if an extra controller pedal will allow me to switch >> "patches" without the 2 second hold to access the Patch Select Mode. >> Anyone have any experience with this? >> >> The features of the RC-50 are much much deeper than the Boomerang which >> I've used for a few years now. I'm incorporating a lot more looping >> into my performances, and I'm really looking forward to buying a new >> looper and digging into those features. I'm just trying to do enough >> research to make the right purchase. >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> Enjoy the day. >> Domenick >> >> >> Richard Sales wrote: >> >>> Well... I haven't done this but I'm betting you can do this with =20 >>> the Behringer FCB10 or whatever the number is. I'd look at the =20 >>> MIDI implementation part of the manual. >>> >>> I find all the footwork to be a bit of a pain in the butt too. But =20 >>> I think some of the guys on this list are as good with their =20 >>> feet as they are with their hands. >>> >>> I think this might be the reason to check out Looperlative - more =20 >>> loops at once. >>> >>> richard sales >>> glassWing farm and studio >>> vancouver island, b.c. >>> 800.545.6846 >>> 250.752.4816 >>> www.glassWing.com >>> www.richardsales.com >>> www.hayleysales.com >>> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >>> On 17-Feb-07, at 11:39 AM, Domenick Swentosky wrote: >>> >>> Okay, so as I read it in the manual, I'll have to hold the tempo >>> pedal for 2 seconds to get into the Patch Select Mode, then select >>> the patch. I see that it can be set up to switch patches while >>> playback continues, that's good, but the 2 second bit bothers me. >>> >>> I see that I can apply the function of switching phrases up or >>> down to an extra controller pedal, but wouldn't I have to hold >>> down the tempo pedal for 2 seconds to get the RC-50 in Patch >>> Select Mode? Or not? >>> >>> Forgive me if I'm not reading deep enough here. It would be a lot >>> easier if I had the unit in front of me, but I'm just trying to >>> decide wether to get the RC-50 or wait for the new Rang. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Enjoy the day. >>> Domenick >>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 23:56:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B24043BEEE; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:56:57 -0500 From: Domenick Swentosky Subject: Re: More RC-50 Patch Selection In-reply-to: <20070217174937.oesuh9zakgcsosos@69.89.21.76> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45D79649.3010506@greytime.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000714-2, 02/16/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: <45D75A04.9010805@greytime.com> <45D78AB4.8060604@greytime.com> <20070217174937.oesuh9zakgcsosos@69.89.21.76> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Kevin: Thanks so much for the response. That thoroughly answers my question, and I'm happy to hear the answer. Great resource here. Enjoy the day. Domenick kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > You can set up any of the pedals to increment or decrement the pedals > without the 2 second press. > > For example, if you don't need your "UNDO" pedal you could assign it > to be a patch increment. To decrement the patch, you would have to > "sacrifice" another pedal. > > Fortunately, you can hook up to four external pedals to the RC50 and > they can be assigned to increment or decrement the patches. > > The patch number can also be controlled with an MIDI program change > event that corresponds to the patch number. If you have an external > MIDI controller that sends program change messages then this will > work "out of the box". > > Note that when assigning pedals to increment or decrement patches, > the assignment is system-wide -- that is it will override the patch > settings for the affected pedals. (This makes sense so that you can > step through patches.) > > In a performance situation, you may only need to increment through > the patches so you would assign a pedal to increment. If you need > to decrement then you'd just use the knob or go into patch-select > mode (with the two second wait). > > -- Kevin > > > Quoting Domenick Swentosky : > >> Thanks for the reply. >> >> I sure wouldn't mind stepping up to the Looperlative or the Echoplex, >> but they are simply out of my price range at this time. I looked at the >> midi implementation part of the manual, and it's definately possible to >> switch patches via midi controller too, but my same question remains. >> I can't be sure if an extra controller pedal will allow me to switch >> "patches" without the 2 second hold to access the Patch Select Mode. >> Anyone have any experience with this? >> >> The features of the RC-50 are much much deeper than the Boomerang which >> I've used for a few years now. I'm incorporating a lot more looping >> into my performances, and I'm really looking forward to buying a new >> looper and digging into those features. I'm just trying to do enough >> research to make the right purchase. >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> Enjoy the day. >> Domenick >> >> >> Richard Sales wrote: >> >>> Well... I haven't done this but I'm betting you can do this with >>> the Behringer FCB10 or whatever the number is. I'd look at the MIDI >>> implementation part of the manual. >>> >>> I find all the footwork to be a bit of a pain in the butt too. But >>> I think some of the guys on this list are as good with their feet >>> as they are with their hands. >>> >>> I think this might be the reason to check out Looperlative - more >>> loops at once. >>> >>> richard sales >>> glassWing farm and studio >>> vancouver island, b.c. >>> 800.545.6846 >>> 250.752.4816 >>> www.glassWing.com >>> www.richardsales.com >>> www.hayleysales.com >>> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >>> On 17-Feb-07, at 11:39 AM, Domenick Swentosky wrote: >>> >>> Okay, so as I read it in the manual, I'll have to hold the tempo >>> pedal for 2 seconds to get into the Patch Select Mode, then select >>> the patch. I see that it can be set up to switch patches while >>> playback continues, that's good, but the 2 second bit bothers me. >>> >>> I see that I can apply the function of switching phrases up or >>> down to an extra controller pedal, but wouldn't I have to hold >>> down the tempo pedal for 2 seconds to get the RC-50 in Patch >>> Select Mode? Or not? >>> >>> Forgive me if I'm not reading deep enough here. It would be a lot >>> easier if I had the unit in front of me, but I'm just trying to >>> decide wether to get the RC-50 or wait for the new Rang. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Enjoy the day. >>> Domenick >>> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 00:04:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43B683BEE2; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:04:03 -0500 From: Domenick Swentosky Subject: RC-50 Feedback Issue -- Software Fix? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45D797F3.3080803@greytime.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000714-2, 02/16/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:04:09 +0000 (UTC) I have one more question about the RC-50 if I may. I'm reading through the archives about the lack of feedback control on the RC-50 being a big drawback, and I've read through Buzap's solution to the problem. I am wondering if this is something that Boss can address in a future software upgrade, or would they have to issue a new unit? I obviously have no expertise in this realm, but it seems that many of you do. Thanks for you time. Enjoy the day. Domenick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 00:18:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 104193BEE2; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:18:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:18:36 -0600 From: "Sandy Rowles" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: loop copy problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20042_28715579.1171757916035" Resent-Message-ID: <_BK_uD.A.PsF.dt51FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:18:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_20042_28715579.1171757916035 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO A LOOP COPY WITHOUT BEING IN THE LOOP THAT I WANT TO COPY FIRST. FOR EXAMPLE...RECORD DRUM LOOP IN LOOP#1----LOOP COPY TO LOOP#2 AND ADD GUITAR----NOW I WANT TO COPY LOOP#1 INTO LOOP#3 WITHOUT HAVING TO HEAR IT AGAIN UNTIL ITS ACTUALLY COPYING. THIS WAY, I CAN HAVE ONE DRUM BEAT WITH 2 SEPARATE PARTS ON TOP OF IT WITHOUT ANY BLANK SPOTS IN A LIVE PERFORMANCE. IS THIS POSSIBLE? ANYONE? AND BY THE WAY, THANKS FOR ALL THE QUESTIONS EVERYONE HAS HELPED ME WITH SO FAR! I LOVE THIS FORUM!! ------=_Part_20042_28715579.1171757916035 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO A LOOP  COPY WITHOUT BEING IN THE LOOP THAT I WANT TO COPY FIRST. FOR EXAMPLE...RECORD DRUM LOOP IN LOOP#1----LOOP COPY TO LOOP#2 AND ADD GUITAR----NOW I WANT TO COPY LOOP#1 INTO LOOP#3 WITHOUT HAVING TO HEAR IT AGAIN UNTIL ITS ACTUALLY COPYING. THIS WAY, I CAN HAVE ONE DRUM BEAT WITH 2 SEPARATE PARTS ON TOP OF IT WITHOUT ANY BLANK SPOTS IN A LIVE PERFORMANCE. IS THIS POSSIBLE? ANYONE? AND BY THE WAY, THANKS FOR ALL THE QUESTIONS EVERYONE HAS HELPED ME WITH SO FAR! I LOVE THIS FORUM!!
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 07:19:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5793D3BEDE; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 07:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D80C5B.1040003@imt.net> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:20:43 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3DF0B5F1-C7DB-4ED6-A8E4-2D5C3A44E1ED@zonemobius.com> <45D77AE3.40305@imt.net> <56A7B2C2-050E-407A-9A66-81217FFADC75@zonemobius.com> In-Reply-To: <56A7B2C2-050E-407A-9A66-81217FFADC75@zonemobius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 07:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Jeffrey...here's some friendly ....whatever you want to call it :-). I've been given advise to try various products like looperlative for my clients. We've researched and found the product lacking in several aspects that are requirements for the high end applications/perceived needs of these people. That's what I meant by 'ultimate' in the first place. Something that meets the needs of high end users as I'm hearing them at this time. But also something that incorporates several things I haven't seen in a product to date that would I believe have some mass appeal which I'm not going to discuss at this time because I'm *not* a lawyer or independently wealthy person and if I pour my life into this I hope to at least make enough to live on from the project. I don't have aid from anyone which allows me to be a hobbyist. So if I make a product I'm going to aim at making it something that will be substantially better than the competition because that's the only way to make it worthwhile. If I feel in my research that I can't provide that then I'll back off the project of course. BUT THIS IS HOW GREAT THINGS COME TO BE...so please. I'm just inquiring. No harm in that. The volume and individual outs issues were just initial ones presented to me as needs by Todd Green and another client and are commong knowledge so I feel free to discuss those. IN ANOTHER POST RECENTLY I MENTIONED PITCH CONTROLLING. Anyway I dont' find anything friendly about your post. I'm not saying looperlative isn't 'professional level'. I'm saying that a couple of the clients I am dealing with are crying out for some other things and that *in* the professional market are people who would find great advantage in having individual outs etc. PLEASE...try emailing me instead of making a public spectacle like this before you are sure of what you are talking about with me. I in NO way meant looperlative isn't a pro product. It has impressive specs but lacks some things a couple people have been talking to me about getting on a product. -Bob Jeffrey Larson wrote: > Ok, here's some friendly advice. > > Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this list. So > far you've described a rather basic looper, except that you seem to > be obsessed with the resolution of the output level control. In all > the wish lists and product reviews that appear regularly on this list, > this is not a feature that I remember being mentioned. > > If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper market, I would > be much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, > synchronization with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate > shifting, and "editing" functions like insert, multiply, replace, etc. > > Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not "professional > level" is likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that > use it, as well as the professional level musicians that use other > devices and software with a MIDI volume control. > > Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical ambitions > are being stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal? > > I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better job > smoothing controller changes, or providing a more musically useful > attenuation curve at the top end of the range. But there are > software solutions to these problems that are quite effective > if not perfect. > > I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a rather > odd feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money > in this venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market > for hardware loopers. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 07:27:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A2D73BEE6; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 07:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D80E13.80109@imt.net> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:28:03 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <20070217230220.2080E38102@astra.telenet-ops.be> In-Reply-To: <20070217230220.2080E38102@astra.telenet-ops.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7WS0oC.A.lrE.M__1FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 07:27:09 +0000 (UTC) A good log pot controller definitely gives more dynamic range than 7 bit down at the bottom end. Todd had complained about the resolution on some of the foot controllers. My OWN controller (2 dimensional...btw...) that I build for my korg wavestation years ago and that I still use in my rig has CRAPPY low end control because indeed it's controlling midi volume at 7 bits. The analog pots that I used are certainly better resolution than that. I can see the continuum on a meter. . So please people..drop the issue. Dont' major on the minors. It's an issue that is nice to have better res on for certain types of playing where you want an ominous control in real time. And that's why I mentioned it. If you don't find any advantage in it yet, just ignore it. But don't keep bringing it up like I said something stupid because it's not stupid. It's the same reason I prefer a prophet 5 over a Prophet 600. The 16 bit dac in the P600 gives a noticeable stone wall drop off at the end of an envelope. It REMINDS THE LISTENER..that they are NOT hearing an aspect of NATURE..BUT AN ASPECT OF SOMETHING ...hacked up by software :-) Some people are picky about that kind of thing and it often relates to the style of music they do...where they feel the essential nature of having it feel totally connected with the natural realm and totally separated from the reminder that software is at work. -Bob GORDIUS info wrote: >I'd like to add one question to this : >What kind of (physical) volume control device do you target, Bob? Something >else than a foot pedal? >I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new design for a >MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the "physical range" of >a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have trouble making >small enough movements to change the control value with 1 single step in the >128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't make any sense >when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of controller in >mind? > >(if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make it a >non-linear transition curve, I would believe you will get much better >results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, rather than >doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD >conversion). > >Xavier >http://www.gordius.be > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com] >Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... > >Ok, here's some friendly advice. > >Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this list. So far >you've described a rather basic looper, except that you seem to be obsessed >with the resolution of the output level control. In all the wish lists and >product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this is not a feature >that I remember being mentioned. > >If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper market, I would be >much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, synchronization >with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and "editing" functions >like insert, multiply, replace, etc. > >Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not "professional level" is >likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that use it, as well >as the professional level musicians that use other devices and software with >a MIDI volume control. > >Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical ambitions are >being stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal? > >I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better job smoothing >controller changes, or providing a more musically useful attenuation curve >at the top end of the range. But there are software solutions to these >problems that are quite effective if not perfect. > >I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a rather odd >feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money in this >venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market for hardware >loopers. > >Jeff > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 10:10:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5F263BEEA; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: RE: RC-50 Feedback Issue -- Software Fix? Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:09:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c75344$ec364690$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcdS8FCGGThq9GPPRq6sMXAv2jcOYQAUiuMg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <45D797F3.3080803@greytime.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_MghE.A.vdC.6XC2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi, The RC-50 doesn't have 0-100% feedback control like on delay units. Workaround: you can send the output of a loop (phrase) to the sub-outs. If you link these with a cable to the aux-in (also stereo) then you have the ability to control feedback with the aux input level knob. Example setup ------------- Phrase 1 => output=SUB, set aux knob to 1/4, overdub mode=replace Phrase 2 => output=MAIN Phrase 3 => output=MAIN However, the aux-in level can't be controlled with an expression pedal. A workaround for this could be to insert a stereo volume control pedal like the Boss FV-50. Despite of these missing features, I can say the FC-50 is a very good and reliable looper for it's price. Sjaak -----Original Message----- From: Domenick Swentosky [mailto:domenick@greytime.com] Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-50 Feedback Issue -- Software Fix? I have one more question about the RC-50 if I may. I'm reading through the archives about the lack of feedback control on the RC-50 being a big drawback, and I've read through Buzap's solution to the problem. I am wondering if this is something that Boss can address in a future software upgrade, or would they have to issue a new unit? I obviously have no expertise in this realm, but it seems that many of you do. Thanks for you time. Enjoy the day. Domenick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 10:34:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E36D3BEE9; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAHq610XUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACOcgEBAQEHDgcFHpJDAQEBgTs Message-ID: <45D82BA5.1030706@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:34:13 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D7627D.2020902@imt.net> In-Reply-To: <45D7627D.2020902@imt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Bob Weigel wrote: > So anyway I'm fairly fresh with PIC programming from that project at A more powerful chip needed for the dsp surely? > etc. btw..one of the very important features of this unit will be that > it has my single pedal volume control interface. We probably can get by > with 10 bit A/D there because if need be, there will be a movement > sensing in s/w which gates the selected CV's directly to the pedal > voltage! This allows for absolutely smooth transitions to extinction. 128 steps, as Jeff points out, when smoothed is ok for most audio applications. Except that it's not good enough for a slow fade to zero. I do a lot of shaping the sound with quick pedal movements, and the 'shapes' produced just aren't as smooth as they could be using 7-bit res, even with smoothing. ( with the smoothing fine tuned it's acceptable though) > > The whole objective also is to make this more like the Jamman which > nicely syncs loops so that you dont' have to press buttons precisely. The sync in the JamMan is primitive and glitchy. There's often a little scratchy sound at the loop-start, even when just playing the loop. One of the "hard problems" in making a looper is how to handle overdubs while synced. Just try it with the JamMan to hear how bad it can be. Actually this sounds like exactly the sort of problem you'd enjoy solving :-) ...but maybe you don't want to overdub onto the loops ?? > We may have it with a couple *modes* and call that 'tight' mode or > something and have an 'open' mode which allows people to do polyrhytmic > overlays if they want :-). But minimally we want it to be capable of > tight looping regardless of when the user hits the start button. > > A host of other nested possibilities with tempo tapping/sliding are > being considered also. > And some other options that I probably shouldn't > mention at this time :-). -Bob > From watching the video of your client, what you're basically intending is something like "8 stereo JamMans" in a box, all of them in Loop Mode. Just using each loop to record one layer only. That doesn't sound too hard to implement, so I'd support your optimism in thinking it's easily possible to do. As you described from your experience, it's much easier to design when you know all the requirements at the start of the project. I think some of the more "unbelieving" comments on the list here are provoked by the "Ultimate Looper" moniker. There's a lot of people here who would find the "8 stereo JamMans" approach somewhat lacking in the features that they rely upon. If you want to make the "Ultimate", then it's going to take a lot of time and sweat, possibly starting with a review of the ways in which people use their devices to create structured music. As a designer, I'm sure your familiar with the term "feature creep", where a program picks up extra features during development, ultimately making it almost impossible to make it bug free. Be warned, a looping device attracts feature creep in a big way. Loopers think that Beta Testing is an excuse to get their ideas put into the machine :-) Good luck with your venture. andy butler ( yes, I was tester for the EDP ) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 10:42:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 466E53BEF1; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAM+710XUSnInk2dsb2JhbACOcgEBAQEHDgcFHpJOAQEBgTs Message-ID: <45D82D8B.4080508@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:42:19 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3DF0B5F1-C7DB-4ED6-A8E4-2D5C3A44E1ED@zonemobius.com> <45D77AE3.40305@imt.net> <56A7B2C2-050E-407A-9A66-81217FFADC75@zonemobius.com> In-Reply-To: <56A7B2C2-050E-407A-9A66-81217FFADC75@zonemobius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:42:19 +0000 (UTC) > > Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical ambitions > are being stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal? > hand the transition from 1 to zero in 7-bit volumes is rather sudden, I've used feedback for fadeouts as a workaround to this very problem the resolution of the FCB1010 pedal doesn't help either andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 11:27:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA3A23BEF0; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:27:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LH9gEC6ybcnYdzkkkhCkpLkLLhT4E2wIwcPY6EtFWBrB8I+TPN8JAjq3XHcziIhRyrSvOviE/aLhV1b8PeSXK4q5UnNbpdb3PJie2fJkYjmU9BTY2YPRYDzIBmwlLUgVz/kEam3BP8nAWA78BwnSxzMKwfLppj/hdkT++LjOzEY= In-Reply-To: <011d01c7530c$312b9040$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <011d01c7530c$312b9040$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <498C1D5E-E79D-436F-8335-587BF44EC934@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Apple iTunes link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:27:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7nMuyB.A.e1F.PgD2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:27:11 +0000 (UTC) On 18 feb 2007, at 04.23, Krispen Hartung wrote: > FYI...for those who use iTunes, here's the link to my new CD > "Fragments". For some reason, you can buy only a few songs > individually, or the whole CD digitally. Not sure why they do that! That happened to me as well on an album release at iTMS. I think it is when a piece is longer than ten minutes. Greedy Apple might think that would give you too much for too little money ;-) BTW, what iTMS aggregator service did you go through? I've been using CD Baby in the past and am looking into AWAL now. >> THE Apple iTunes LINK: >> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum? >> playListId=215298981 Previews sound interesting. That ambience and alien scales... scary stuff :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 12:05:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 712763BEEC; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=PKrRHOEwCYN0h3hof+GwymX6Hrsl/2NhFShe1adE9XpSvFc2g7ZQGb9kuyvlbGF95QQEhTy10wrPtYC1XmY//3D/8qOejBDAfrVIZO+4zu0/82duqQiC8KWsX4JWqey+2+DR6gSywHmfSRXcPuuPzEcwcHZ9sd+j3cyYfrgdqH4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45D82D8B.4080508@tiscali.co.uk> References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3DF0B5F1-C7DB-4ED6-A8E4-2D5C3A44E1ED@zonemobius.com> <45D77AE3.40305@imt.net> <56A7B2C2-050E-407A-9A66-81217FFADC75@zonemobius.com> <45D82D8B.4080508@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <86A64F29-6C43-4915-9E40-032E7AC96B1C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:05:39 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:05:52 +0000 (UTC) On 18 feb 2007, at 11.42, andy butler wrote: >> Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical ambitions >> are being stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal? > > hand > > > the transition from 1 to zero in 7-bit volumes is rather sudden, > I've used feedback for fadeouts as a workaround to this very problem Yes, I too used a lot of feedback fadeouts with the EDP and the Repeater. Today when using a laptop armed with Mobius I have also adapted the third method of home cooked scripts. These works as an auto-fad and once you kicked the fade pedal you can't speed up or slow down the fading process. Quite often that is what you want, since you are busy playing or building parallel loops while the fade is happening. As I said earlier, it would be interesting to see the planned feature chart for this new looper. What functions will it offer the user? Come on, please tell us! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 13:44:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53A8F3BEEE; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:44:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: Looper gigs or festivals in Europe Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:44:25 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c75362$ea982b50$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcdTYuZ/on9EbFVQQRq62k0kC/sbpg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <-HIX5B.A.NOC.PhF2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:44:48 +0000 (UTC) I see a lot of looper-related activities in the US, but there are there any gigs or festivals scheduled in Europe for this year? :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 14:01:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E9DF3BEEC; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "GORDIUS info" To: Subject: RE: Considering building an ultimate looper... Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:00:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <45D80E13.80109@imt.net> Thread-Index: AcdTLjU6CKvVhQBVS2CTt9Hgs1K3lwANj2Ug X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070218140054.BAF12220087@assei1bl6.telenet-ops.be> Resent-Message-ID: <6dQul.A.cwC.cwF2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:01:00 +0000 (UTC) By coincidence I was just doing some tests on this topic right on the moment your post came in, so I just thought it wouldn't do harm to share some info on what I was experiencing. Not at all my intention to suggest "you said something stupid" - on the contrary, wish you all the luck with your project. Xavier -----Original Message----- From: Bob Weigel [mailto:sounddoctorin@imt.net] Sent: zondag 18 februari 2007 9:28 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... > If you don't find any advantage in it yet, just ignore it. But don't keep bringing it up like I said something stupid because it's not stupid. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 14:27:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CB483BEF3; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sBkjw+9iIa2H4erF3rXsDmUfTFteJzUmELQWUs+4qQeq1JnCB0LnN31RdzLG2ANW390rSyPa0v2wKftSI2vYUH6evULlCIU3eus1U4WnlfNSWxsJ/sSAiifVT+IQdJWyScExkgi9UXsRkffpDT3b8UvAZb/Vq91VWJqiX6ft7Mc= In-Reply-To: <000001c75362$ea982b50$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> References: <000001c75362$ea982b50$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looper gigs or festivals in Europe Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:27:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:27:45 +0000 (UTC) On 18 feb 2007, at 14.44, Sjaak wrote: > I see a lot of looper-related activities in the US, but there are > there any > gigs or festivals scheduled in Europe for this year? :) There's also a lot looping going on at festivals that just focus on music, as opposed focusing on a certain used instrument; i.e. "the looper". I just tried an internet search in Google on "2007 music festivals in Europa" and it sees a lot is happening on this continent as well. When I was using the advanced search function and added the word "looping" as a must I seemed to get less festivals but more band pages... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 15:18:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F7A43BEE6; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:18:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: TJH6B8EVM1kQQtn6C5KN0OpvsJdev2xSu5D3b_hefpHgbuYpLnNVaxogIzHjTDlXVETbGlry2QQ7DK0Kb_ffBHoEIJJzJfDSDC6O80v_wDDFHnqfWuoOe5QzHl.aLHVAp6TtTmVue4Xzvko- Message-ID: <45D86E4F.6080803@infinivert.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:18:39 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Apple iTunes link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments References: <011d01c7530c$312b9040$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <498C1D5E-E79D-436F-8335-587BF44EC934@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <498C1D5E-E79D-436F-8335-587BF44EC934@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_SRO4.A.wwF.S5G2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:18:43 +0000 (UTC) I'd just like to go ahead and throw out my recommendation for this album. Nebula, in particular, has been in fairly heavy rotation on my iPod lately and has inspired some tricks I've been throwing into my electric playing. Very spacey! Per's new album is also excellent. It inspires such creativity, that I've made it my workday soundtrack. Get them both! --Josh Per Boysen wrote: > On 18 feb 2007, at 04.23, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> FYI...for those who use iTunes, here's the link to my new CD >> "Fragments". For some reason, you can buy only a few songs >> individually, or the whole CD digitally. Not sure why they do that! > > > That happened to me as well on an album release at iTMS. I think it is > when a piece is longer than ten minutes. Greedy Apple might think that > would give you too much for too little money ;-) > > BTW, what iTMS aggregator service did you go through? I've been using > CD Baby in the past and am looking into AWAL now. > > >>> THE Apple iTunes LINK: >>> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=215298981 >>> > > Previews sound interesting. That ambience and alien scales... scary > stuff :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 15:32:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 593893BEF5; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:32:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <000001c75362$ea982b50$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0e33193fb300ffce7250a7c9dba1e9f9@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: sonicbids Re: Looper gigs or festivals in Europe Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 08:32:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: <3OyEMC.A.xgH.8FH2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:32:12 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 18, 2007, at 7:27 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 18 feb 2007, at 14.44, Sjaak wrote: > >> I see a lot of looper-related activities in the US, but there are >> there any >> gigs or festivals scheduled in Europe for this year? :) > > > There's also a lot looping going on at festivals that just focus on > music, as opposed focusing on a certain used instrument; i.e. "the > looper". I just tried an internet search in Google on "2007 music > festivals in Europa" and it sees a lot is happening on this continent > as well. When I was using the advanced search function and added the > word "looping" as a must I seemed to get less festivals but more band > pages... On a related note for the professional "in search of gigs/ festivals" musicians out there. You might consider a << sonicbids.com >> membership. You'll get multiple emails a day listing local performance ops and at festivals around the world. Basically what sonicbids does is store your "electronic press kit" online and then with the click of a mouse you can send it out (small fee) to where you want (promoters, venues, festivals etc.). While not a "professional" (ie; not in it for the money) I've gotten a few paying gigs using sonicbids and can see how it could be helpful to the true professional. Any other "loopers" on sonicbids? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 17:08:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C05193BF01; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:05:05 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Cheap Drum Machine To: Kevin Cheli-Colando , Loop Message-id: <009401c7537f$638a2ba0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200702162139.l1GLdfdT025293@minds-eye.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Kevin wrote: > OT I know, but then again, you all know a lot of useful OT things like > which is a better cheap drum machine, the Alesis SR16 and the Zoom RT > 223. I can find both used for less than $100 and was curious if anyone > had any experience with either of them that might sway me one way or > another. I'm basically looking for a machine I can play live and has > Midi out. Beyond that I'm flexible (other than wanting to keep my costs > around $100). Kevin, I owned the grandaddy Alesis HR-16 (precursor to the SR-16) since 1980-something, and finally had to retire it last year when the LCD window got all mushy-black and the pads needed continual cleaning to work. I loved this machine in a way that would make my wife jealous. I got the Zoom 223 to replace it. Initially I was pretty jazzed up - good effects, good sounds, moderately easy programming. Then I hit the memory wall. The friggin' thing has NO memory. You'll get a few sets programmed, a few patterns written, a few songs assembled, and right in the middle of writng something you'll get a "memory full" message. For me, this is a real deal-breaker. It has other shortcomings as well: * No MIDI out! No MIDI Thru! (MIDI in works fine, I drive it from my recording workstation) * You can't overlay sounds as on the Alesis. I used to build the coolest patterns by mixing just a hint of timbale with a snare, maybe a deeply detuned snare really soft on all the drums as well to simulate snare rattle, stuff like that. No can do on the Zoom 223. * Zoom 223 has only 2 outputs. Alesis has 4. I used to program my cymbals to outputs 3 and 4 and run them through a Microverb to get a l-o-o-o-n-n-n-n-g cymbal wash * Zoom 223's little backlit LCD window of information is painfully small. I will say this for the Zoom 223: * It runs on batteries. I get totally in another world when I carry this little paperback-sized box around, slip on a set of headphones, and lay down some whack gamelan-meets-rave patterns while sipping a latte at Starbucks. * The sounds are really good, and deeply tunable. * The pads on the 223 are better than the old HR-16. Can't compare them to the SR-16. * Some nice bass sounds on the 223 (upright, slap, synth, harmonics, etc.) * Some nice effects (good reverbs, compression, bit-reduction distortion, distressed analog distortion, etc.) If you'd like to hear my use of the Zoom 223 in a standard song context, you can go to my web site and listen to the one song I've posted so far. Try this link: http://www.thecoyote.org/music.cfm Scroll down about 1/3 of the way and look for "Postmortal Postman." The drums are a Zoom 223. Yesterday I bought the Alesis/Ion drum pad-drum machine set at Costco for $200. I've heard that the pad-to-MIDI interface is glitchy, but I figure I'm getting the drum machine for $150, plus some pads and a glitchy interface for $50. Bottom line: I'd grab the Alesis SR16 over the Zoom 223, particularly used for $100. Best, dB Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone PS - I love your ps: > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. 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Elliot (Fine Fabrics) Limited Unit 1 Dunsdale Road Selkirk, TD7 5EA Scotland Email: John_paker001@yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 17:18:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC4633BF01; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45D80C5B.1040003@imt.net> References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3DF0B5F1-C7DB-4ED6-A8E4-2D5C3A44E1ED@zonemobius.com> <45D77AE3.40305@imt.net> <56A7B2C2-050E-407A-9A66-81217FFADC75@zonemobius.com> <45D80C5B.1040003@imt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:18:43 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <7W9A_C.A.uhD.4pI2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:18:48 +0000 (UTC) > If I feel in my research that I can't provide that then > I'll back off the project of course. BUT THIS IS HOW GREAT THINGS > COME TO BE...so please. I'm just inquiring. No harm in that. None whatsoever. welcome. I think you'll find this list is one of the most valuable sources of information for this research. > Anyway I dont' find anything friendly about your post. Well, I'm sorry about that. I'm just one of those people that sets the bar pretty high when I hear the term "ultimate looper". And as the author of a relatively popular software looper, I think I have a pretty good idea of how hard it is to build one. Believe me, no one would like to make a living building loopers more than I would. But I just don't see the market. At the high end you tend to have a high profit margin, but relatively few people want to buy the product. At the low end you can't compete with the volume manufacturing processes of Roland. There's more room in the middle, say the $500 range, but the margins are lower so you're going to have to sell a *lot* of them to make a living. In the mid range, you're going to need some unique features to stand out, and that means a *lot* of software development. Writing and testing looping software is extremely difficult, this is way beyond typical PIC programming. I don't want my comments to sound unfriendly. But they certainly are pessimistic. Reality isn't always friendly. I do wish you luck though, anything that serves to improve mass awareness of looping is perfectly fine with me. > PLEASE...try emailing me instead of making a public spectacle like > this before you are sure of what you are talking about with me. FINALLY! After over two years on this list I've made my first public spectacle. Gosh, I wish I'd known it was that easy :-) Seriously, there's a lot of public debate on this list, I hardly think this was crossing the line. In fact, the opinions of the other list members on this topic should be extremely valuable to you. I for one was surprised by the comments on volume pedal resolution. That's great to know. Progress was made. Can we all hug now? Your Friend, Jeff www.zonemobius.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 17:27:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49CDC3BEFA; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:27:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <020201c75382$044e1b30$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <011d01c7530c$312b9040$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <498C1D5E-E79D-436F-8335-587BF44EC934@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Apple iTunes link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:27:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:27:11 +0000 (UTC) This is through CD Baby too. What is AWAL? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 4:27 AM Subject: Re: Apple iTunes link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments > On 18 feb 2007, at 04.23, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> FYI...for those who use iTunes, here's the link to my new CD >> "Fragments". For some reason, you can buy only a few songs >> individually, or the whole CD digitally. Not sure why they do that! > > > That happened to me as well on an album release at iTMS. I think it > is when a piece is longer than ten minutes. Greedy Apple might think > that would give you too much for too little money ;-) > > BTW, what iTMS aggregator service did you go through? I've been using > CD Baby in the past and am looking into AWAL now. > > >>> THE Apple iTunes LINK: >>> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum? >>> playListId=215298981 > > Previews sound interesting. That ambience and alien scales... scary > stuff :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 17:29:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3AEA3BEF0; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <022001c75382$6458e5f0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <011d01c7530c$312b9040$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <498C1D5E-E79D-436F-8335-587BF44EC934@gmail.com> <45D86E4F.6080803@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: Apple iTunes link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:29:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <58KsyB.A.sDE.P0I2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Thanks you, Josh. That is very kind of you. :) Nebula is one of my favorites too....it does make me feel as if I were in a spaceship, traveling through galaxies, etc and observing astrophysical phenomena. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: Apple iTunes link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments > I'd just like to go ahead and throw out my recommendation for this album. > Nebula, in particular, has been in fairly heavy rotation on my iPod lately > and has inspired some tricks I've been throwing into my electric playing. > Very spacey! > > Per's new album is also excellent. It inspires such creativity, that I've > made it my workday soundtrack. > > Get them both! > > --Josh > > > Per Boysen wrote: >> On 18 feb 2007, at 04.23, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>> FYI...for those who use iTunes, here's the link to my new CD >>> "Fragments". For some reason, you can buy only a few songs individually, >>> or the whole CD digitally. Not sure why they do that! >> >> >> That happened to me as well on an album release at iTMS. I think it is >> when a piece is longer than ten minutes. Greedy Apple might think that >> would give you too much for too little money ;-) >> >> BTW, what iTMS aggregator service did you go through? I've been using CD >> Baby in the past and am looking into AWAL now. >> >> >>>> THE Apple iTunes LINK: >>>> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=215298981 >> >> Previews sound interesting. That ambience and alien scales... scary stuff >> :-) >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 17:41:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB14B3BEEE; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <0e33193fb300ffce7250a7c9dba1e9f9@mac.com> References: <000001c75362$ea982b50$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> <0e33193fb300ffce7250a7c9dba1e9f9@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-239759351 Message-Id: <3878f24a9ae847f5ba3e42963afeda51@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: sonicbids Re: Looper gigs or festivals in Europe Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:41:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:41:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-239759351 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Yup! I'm on Sonicbids - just recently signed on. Looks cool. I talked with Panos back when he was starting it. good guy. Somethings you can ONLY get to thru Sonicbids. I haven't used it much since signing up. Mostly just looking to see what's there. And there's a LOT. Some ho hum but some looks very good. Check it out! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 18-Feb-07, at 7:32 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > On Feb 18, 2007, at 7:27 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On 18 feb 2007, at 14.44, Sjaak wrote: >> >>> I see a lot of looper-related activities in the US, but there are >>> there any >>> gigs or festivals scheduled in Europe for this year? :) >> >> >> There's also a lot looping going on at festivals that just focus on >> music, as opposed focusing on a certain used instrument; i.e. "the >> looper". I just tried an internet search in Google on "2007 music >> festivals in Europa" and it sees a lot is happening on this continent >> as well. When I was using the advanced search function and added the >> word "looping" as a must I seemed to get less festivals but more band >> pages... > > On a related note for the professional "in search of gigs/ festivals" > musicians out there. You might consider a << sonicbids.com >> > membership. You'll get multiple emails a day listing local > performance ops and at festivals around the world. Basically what > sonicbids does is store your "electronic press kit" online and then > with the click of a mouse you can send it out (small fee) to where you > want (promoters, venues, festivals etc.). While not a "professional" > (ie; not in it for the money) I've gotten a few paying gigs using > sonicbids and can see how it could be helpful to the true > professional. Any other "loopers" on sonicbids? > >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) >> >> > --Apple-Mail-5-239759351 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Yup! I'm on Sonicbids - just recently signed on. Looks cool. I talked with Panos back when he was starting it. good guy. Somethings you can ONLY get to thru Sonicbids. I haven't used it much since signing up. Mostly just looking to see what's there. And there's a LOT. Some ho hum but some looks very good. Check it out! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 18-Feb-07, at 7:32 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: On Feb 18, 2007, at 7:27 AM, Per Boysen wrote: On 18 feb 2007, at 14.44, Sjaak wrote: I see a lot of looper-related activities in the US, but there are there any gigs or festivals scheduled in Europe for this year? :) There's also a lot looping going on at festivals that just focus on music, as opposed focusing on a certain used instrument; i.e. "the looper". I just tried an internet search in Google on "2007 music festivals in Europa" and it sees a lot is happening on this continent as well. When I was using the advanced search function and added the word "looping" as a must I seemed to get less festivals but more band pages... On a related note for the professional "in search of gigs/ festivals" musicians out there. You might consider a <<<< sonicbids.com >> membership. You'll get multiple emails a day listing local performance ops and at festivals around the world. Basically what sonicbids does is store your "electronic press kit" online and then with the click of a mouse you can send it out (small fee) to where you want (promoters, venues, festivals etc.). While not a "professional" (ie; not in it for the money) I've gotten a few paying gigs using sonicbids and can see how it could be helpful to the true professional. Any other "loopers" on sonicbids? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) --Apple-Mail-5-239759351-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 19:57:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BC373BEEE; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=TSJDhn80wcNf69xjuV/6fD61G0pT02QzLYyulwTd93dWdXSiPWYEMPopaLCQwbpxVKMqNze8JYbvLy/bZnHgL4wfM3Y5HjIVStXn9aE3Q40enpCUPTjW+CHPCaPr1jvrI4ZbmZPHR5hkq+GCHXKaIY5knrIvQz10004gVwRHhTc= In-Reply-To: <020201c75382$044e1b30$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <011d01c7530c$312b9040$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <498C1D5E-E79D-436F-8335-587BF44EC934@gmail.com> <020201c75382$044e1b30$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <24085356-07C9-4847-B054-D8E9506D0561@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Apple iTunes link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:57:39 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1Tqb2C.A.fEB.4-K2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:57:44 +0000 (UTC) On 18 feb 2007, at 18.27, Krispen Hartung wrote: > AWAL Artists Without A Label ;-)) Seriously, that's the name of "the label". They've been around for quite long and is not an internet fling. Check out their home page for more info. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 20:21:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30C0F3BEE8; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:21:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: _vrnYgQVM1n7tL.D4pfcLP3LELp5Zx7KhSAYonl6zbVvN4KJ1nYb7GJ2g7pZeD8x.dRd7OCXilUqHDO13uQhmcl7Q4W7gFW3mIAr1aIzmY6_nAxSyBCN7w-- Message-ID: <45D8B543.9070700@infinivert.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:21:23 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Apple iTunes link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments / short-form-looping with Danelectro Wasabi Delay References: <011d01c7530c$312b9040$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <498C1D5E-E79D-436F-8335-587BF44EC934@gmail.com> <45D86E4F.6080803@infinivert.com> <022001c75382$6458e5f0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <022001c75382$6458e5f0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080506060303000306080506" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:21:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080506060303000306080506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Certainly! Thank /you/ for sending me a free copy! Ha! A couple questions: Are all your effects on that track VST, or are you using some hardware as well? Was all the looping done in Mobius? I just got a Digitech EX-7 (on the clearance rack at Guitar Center!) a couple weeks ago, and it has (among other things) a model of the XP300 Space Station (that I love) and one of the best sounding Wah-Wahs I've ever heard. I've been having a blast combining those sounds with some tremolo, phase, and delays attempting to get at some of the sounds you made on that track. Tons of fun! On the subject of guitar pedals, I also just got the Danelectro Wasabi Forward/Reverse delay. I have to admit that I don't like a couple of the functions as much as I thought I would (the tap tempo is a bit glitchy when trying to fine-tune while playing and the switch on the back to attenuate the pedal for use with Humbucking pickups seems to only make the output quieter), but I did find one function to be a pleasant surprise: Unlike my other delay pedals, when you set the pedal to infinite delay and use the speed knob to manually change the loop length, it doesn't pitch shift. That was actually disappointing to me until I realized that it also doesn't lose your recorded content when you shorten the delay time, so you can go back to your original length, and if you overshoot it, it just adds silence to the end. Maybe there are tons of delays out there like this, but I'd never used one, so it was revelation to me. It's a blast to play around with! I was demoing it for one of my guitar students and started by looping a 3 second drone (the max delay time), and layering some rhythmic harmonics. Then I hit the reverse button, which flipped the whole loop backward, and layered some other rhytmic stuff. I then slammed the speed knob to 0 to make it stutter, and then slowly pulled it back to the original loop time. Of course, it doesn't really work as a looper, but it was cool enough to make my student's eyes pop! --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote: > Thanks you, Josh. That is very kind of you. :) Nebula is one of my > favorites too....it does make me feel as if I were in a spaceship, > traveling through galaxies, etc and observing astrophysical phenomena. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:18 AM > Subject: Re: Apple iTunes link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments > > >> I'd just like to go ahead and throw out my recommendation for this >> album. Nebula, in particular, has been in fairly heavy rotation on my >> iPod lately and has inspired some tricks I've been throwing into my >> electric playing. Very spacey! >> >> Per's new album is also excellent. It inspires such creativity, that >> I've made it my workday soundtrack. >> >> Get them both! >> >> --Josh >> >> >> Per Boysen wrote: >>> On 18 feb 2007, at 04.23, Krispen Hartung wrote: >>> >>>> FYI...for those who use iTunes, here's the link to my new CD >>>> "Fragments". For some reason, you can buy only a few songs >>>> individually, or the whole CD digitally. Not sure why they do that! >>> >>> >>> That happened to me as well on an album release at iTMS. I think it >>> is when a piece is longer than ten minutes. Greedy Apple might think >>> that would give you too much for too little money ;-) >>> >>> BTW, what iTMS aggregator service did you go through? I've been >>> using CD Baby in the past and am looking into AWAL now. >>> >>> >>>>> THE Apple iTunes LINK: >>>>> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=215298981 >>>>> >>> >>> Previews sound interesting. That ambience and alien scales... scary >>> stuff :-) >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>> www.looproom.com (international) >>> http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > --------------080506060303000306080506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Certainly!  Thank you for sending me a free copy!  Ha!

A couple questions:  Are all your effects on that track VST, or are you using some hardware as well?  Was all the looping done in Mobius?

I just got a Digitech EX-7 (on the clearance rack at Guitar Center!) a couple weeks ago, and it has (among other things) a model of the XP300 Space Station (that I love) and one of the best sounding Wah-Wahs I've ever heard.  I've been having a blast combining those sounds with some tremolo, phase, and delays attempting to get at some of the sounds you made on that track.  Tons of fun!

On the subject of guitar pedals, I also just got the Danelectro Wasabi Forward/Reverse delay.  I have to admit that I don't like a couple of the functions as much as I thought I would (the tap tempo is a bit glitchy when trying to fine-tune while playing and the switch on the back to attenuate the pedal for use with Humbucking pickups seems to only make the output quieter), but I did find one function to be a pleasant surprise:  Unlike my other delay pedals, when you set the pedal to infinite delay and use the speed knob to manually change the loop length, it doesn't pitch shift.  That was actually disappointing to me until I realized that it also doesn't lose your recorded content when you shorten the delay time, so you can go back to your original length, and if you overshoot it, it just adds silence to the end.  Maybe there are tons of delays out there like this, but I'd never used one, so it was revelation to me.

It's a blast to play around with!  I was demoing it for one of my guitar students and started by looping a 3 second drone (the max delay time),  and layering some rhythmic harmonics.  Then I hit the reverse button, which flipped the whole loop backward, and layered some other rhytmic stuff.  I then slammed the speed knob to 0 to make it stutter, and then slowly pulled it back to the original loop time.

Of course, it doesn't really work as a looper, but it was cool enough to make my student's eyes pop!

--Josh


Krispen Hartung wrote:
Thanks you, Josh. That is very kind of you. :) Nebula is one of my favorites too....it does make me feel as if I were in a spaceship, traveling through galaxies, etc and observing astrophysical phenomena.

Kris

----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" <josh@infinivert.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Apple iTunes link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments


I'd just like to go ahead and throw out my recommendation for this album. Nebula, in particular, has been in fairly heavy rotation on my iPod lately and has inspired some tricks I've been throwing into my electric playing. Very spacey!

Per's new album is also excellent.  It inspires such creativity, that I've made it my workday soundtrack.

Get them both!

--Josh


Per Boysen wrote:
On 18 feb 2007, at 04.23, Krispen Hartung wrote:

FYI...for those who use iTunes, here's the link to my new CD "Fragments". For some reason, you can buy only a few songs individually, or the whole CD digitally. Not sure why they do that!


That happened to me as well on an album release at iTMS. I think it is when a piece is longer than ten minutes. Greedy Apple might think that would give you too much for too little money ;-)

BTW, what iTMS aggregator service did you go through? I've been using CD Baby in the past and am looking into AWAL now.


THE Apple iTunes LINK:
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=215298981

Previews sound interesting. That ambience and alien scales... scary stuff :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release)












--------------080506060303000306080506-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 20:24:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD7A93BEF0; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:24:43 -0600 From: "Sandy Rowles" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: edp loop copy question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26042_7104600.1171830283131" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:24:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_26042_7104600.1171830283131 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I POSTED THIS QUESTION THE OTHER DAY BUT DIDN'T HAVE ANY REPLIES. THERE MAY NOT BE AN ANSWER BUT I'M GONNA ASK AGAIN JUST IN CASE. I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THERE IS A WAY TO DO A LOOP COPY OF A LOOP BESIDES THE ONE YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN. FOR EXAMPLE...COULD I BE IN LOOP 2 AND GO INTO LOOP 3 WHILE IT IS RESET AND MAKE IT COPY LOOP 1 INSTEAD OF LOOP 2? I AM OPEN TO ANY INPUT ON THIS EVEN IF IT IS JUST SAY SAY THAT YOU CAN NOT DO IT. THANKS ------=_Part_26042_7104600.1171830283131 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I POSTED THIS QUESTION THE OTHER DAY BUT DIDN'T HAVE ANY REPLIES. THERE MAY NOT BE AN ANSWER BUT I'M GONNA ASK AGAIN JUST IN CASE. I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THERE IS A WAY TO  DO A LOOP COPY OF A LOOP BESIDES THE ONE YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN. FOR EXAMPLE...COULD I BE IN LOOP 2 AND GO INTO LOOP 3 WHILE IT IS RESET AND MAKE IT COPY LOOP 1 INSTEAD OF LOOP 2? I AM OPEN TO ANY INPUT ON THIS EVEN IF IT IS JUST SAY SAY THAT YOU CAN NOT DO IT. THANKS
------=_Part_26042_7104600.1171830283131-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 20:26:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84FD13BEE9; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: .BBcLT8VM1mhnr02hJhBDu3to27cXYJD9aLQliajq6BKtiWlnmiHpzmUX5B0MjtDxh.fYj3Ph8Ce_BZKplCp00Ul.C24t8uym2D6pNR5woGaPE5xKDufEKHq_enLREaSwho5M92Rd95ZVQw- Message-ID: <45D8B65F.5090300@infinivert.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:26:07 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Apple iTunes link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments / short-form-looping with Danelectro Wasabi Delay References: <011d01c7530c$312b9040$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <498C1D5E-E79D-436F-8335-587BF44EC934@gmail.com> <45D86E4F.6080803@infinivert.com> <022001c75382$6458e5f0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D8B543.9070700@infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <45D8B543.9070700@infinivert.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070505090506070602090805" Resent-Message-ID: <-Yc9pD.A.oVC.pZL2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:26:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070505090506070602090805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, and I forgot to mention that the Wasabi pedal also has an adjustable hi-cut knob which gradually pulls a little high end out of each successive repeat (if the knob is set above 0) to simulate tape echo. Very tasty! --Josh Joshua Carroll wrote: > Certainly! Thank /you/ for sending me a free copy! Ha! > > A couple questions: Are all your effects on that track VST, or are > you using some hardware as well? Was all the looping done in Mobius? > > I just got a Digitech EX-7 (on the clearance rack at Guitar Center!) a > couple weeks ago, and it has (among other things) a model of the XP300 > Space Station (that I love) and one of the best sounding Wah-Wahs I've > ever heard. I've been having a blast combining those sounds with some > tremolo, phase, and delays attempting to get at some of the sounds you > made on that track. Tons of fun! > > On the subject of guitar pedals, I also just got the Danelectro Wasabi > Forward/Reverse delay. I have to admit that I don't like a couple of > the functions as much as I thought I would (the tap tempo is a bit > glitchy when trying to fine-tune while playing and the switch on the > back to attenuate the pedal for use with Humbucking pickups seems to > only make the output quieter), but I did find one function to be a > pleasant surprise: Unlike my other delay pedals, when you set the > pedal to infinite delay and use the speed knob to manually change the > loop length, it doesn't pitch shift. That was actually disappointing > to me until I realized that it also doesn't lose your recorded content > when you shorten the delay time, so you can go back to your original > length, and if you overshoot it, it just adds silence to the end. > Maybe there are tons of delays out there like this, but I'd never used > one, so it was revelation to me. > > It's a blast to play around with! I was demoing it for one of my > guitar students and started by looping a 3 second drone (the max delay > time), and layering some rhythmic harmonics. Then I hit the reverse > button, which flipped the whole loop backward, and layered some other > rhytmic stuff. I then slammed the speed knob to 0 to make it stutter, > and then slowly pulled it back to the original loop time. > > Of course, it doesn't really work as a looper, but it was cool enough > to make my student's eyes pop! > > --Josh > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Thanks you, Josh. That is very kind of you. :) Nebula is one of my >> favorites too....it does make me feel as if I were in a spaceship, >> traveling through galaxies, etc and observing astrophysical phenomena. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" >> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:18 AM >> Subject: Re: Apple iTunes link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments >> >> >>> I'd just like to go ahead and throw out my recommendation for this >>> album. Nebula, in particular, has been in fairly heavy rotation on >>> my iPod lately and has inspired some tricks I've been throwing into >>> my electric playing. Very spacey! >>> >>> Per's new album is also excellent. It inspires such creativity, >>> that I've made it my workday soundtrack. >>> >>> Get them both! >>> >>> --Josh >>> >>> >>> Per Boysen wrote: >>>> On 18 feb 2007, at 04.23, Krispen Hartung wrote: >>>> >>>>> FYI...for those who use iTunes, here's the link to my new CD >>>>> "Fragments". For some reason, you can buy only a few songs >>>>> individually, or the whole CD digitally. Not sure why they do that! >>>> >>>> >>>> That happened to me as well on an album release at iTMS. I think it >>>> is when a piece is longer than ten minutes. Greedy Apple might >>>> think that would give you too much for too little money ;-) >>>> >>>> BTW, what iTMS aggregator service did you go through? I've been >>>> using CD Baby in the past and am looking into AWAL now. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> THE Apple iTunes LINK: >>>>>> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=215298981 >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Previews sound interesting. That ambience and alien scales... scary >>>> stuff :-) >>>> >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>>> www.looproom.com (international) >>>> http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> --------------070505090506070602090805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, and I forgot to mention that the Wasabi pedal also has an adjustable hi-cut knob which gradually pulls a little high end out of each successive repeat (if the knob is set above 0) to simulate tape echo.  Very tasty!

--Josh


Joshua Carroll wrote:
Certainly!  Thank you for sending me a free copy!  Ha!

A couple questions:  Are all your effects on that track VST, or are you using some hardware as well?  Was all the looping done in Mobius?

I just got a Digitech EX-7 (on the clearance rack at Guitar Center!) a couple weeks ago, and it has (among other things) a model of the XP300 Space Station (that I love) and one of the best sounding Wah-Wahs I've ever heard.  I've been having a blast combining those sounds with some tremolo, phase, and delays attempting to get at some of the sounds you made on that track.  Tons of fun!

On the subject of guitar pedals, I also just got the Danelectro Wasabi Forward/Reverse delay.  I have to admit that I don't like a couple of the functions as much as I thought I would (the tap tempo is a bit glitchy when trying to fine-tune while playing and the switch on the back to attenuate the pedal for use with Humbucking pickups seems to only make the output quieter), but I did find one function to be a pleasant surprise:  Unlike my other delay pedals, when you set the pedal to infinite delay and use the speed knob to manually change the loop length, it doesn't pitch shift.  That was actually disappointing to me until I realized that it also doesn't lose your recorded content when you shorten the delay time, so you can go back to your original length, and if you overshoot it, it just adds silence to the end.  Maybe there are tons of delays out there like this, but I'd never used one, so it was revelation to me.

It's a blast to play around with!  I was demoing it for one of my guitar students and started by looping a 3 second drone (the max delay time),  and layering some rhythmic harmonics.  Then I hit the reverse button, which flipped the whole loop backward, and layered some other rhytmic stuff.  I then slammed the speed knob to 0 to make it stutter, and then slowly pulled it back to the original loop time.

Of course, it doesn't really work as a looper, but it was cool enough to make my student's eyes pop!

--Josh


Krispen Hartung wrote:
Thanks you, Josh. That is very kind of you. :) Nebula is one of my favorites too....it does make me feel as if I were in a spaceship, traveling through galaxies, etc and observing astrophysical phenomena.

Kris

----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" <josh@infinivert.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Apple iTunes link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments


I'd just like to go ahead and throw out my recommendation for this album. Nebula, in particular, has been in fairly heavy rotation on my iPod lately and has inspired some tricks I've been throwing into my electric playing. Very spacey!

Per's new album is also excellent.  It inspires such creativity, that I've made it my workday soundtrack.

Get them both!

--Josh


Per Boysen wrote:
On 18 feb 2007, at 04.23, Krispen Hartung wrote:

FYI...for those who use iTunes, here's the link to my new CD "Fragments". For some reason, you can buy only a few songs individually, or the whole CD digitally. Not sure why they do that!


That happened to me as well on an album release at iTMS. I think it is when a piece is longer than ten minutes. Greedy Apple might think that would give you too much for too little money ;-)

BTW, what iTMS aggregator service did you go through? I've been using CD Baby in the past and am looking into AWAL now.


THE Apple iTunes LINK:
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=215298981

Previews sound interesting. That ambience and alien scales... scary stuff :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release)












--------------070505090506070602090805-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 21:05:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2790C3BEE7; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <031201c753a0$7e591ab0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <011d01c7530c$312b9040$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <498C1D5E-E79D-436F-8335-587BF44EC934@gmail.com> <45D86E4F.6080803@infinivert.com> <022001c75382$6458e5f0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D8B543.9070700@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: Apple iTunes link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments / short-form-looping with Danelectro Wasabi Delay Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:05:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_030F_01C75365.D1120590" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:05:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_030F_01C75365.D1120590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joshua Carroll=20 A couple questions: Are all your effects on that track VST, or are = you using some hardware as well? Was all the looping done in Mobius? I had to actually listent to the song again to remember. The first = sound you here are from the Lexicon PSP84 (VST effect processor). And = so is the effect on the guitar that starts in after that intro. Ah = yes...the rich pad effect is my Boss VF1...should have known. I created = a MAX/MSP patch that emulates that VF1 patch, but I haven't had time to = convert it to VST. Then later on the stuff with the high octave/delay on = the guitar is the PSP42. I just got a Digitech EX-7 (on the clearance rack at Guitar Center!) a = couple weeks ago, and it has (among other things) a model of the XP300 = Space Station (that I love) and one of the best sounding Wah-Wahs I've = ever heard. I've been having a blast combining those sounds with some = tremolo, phase, and delays attempting to get at some of the sounds you = made on that track. Tons of fun! Sounds like it. I haven't used wah in quite a while...I still have my = Vox wag in a box somewhere, which was always a favorite of mine for its = smoothness. Kris On the subject of guitar pedals, I also just got the Danelectro Wasabi = Forward/Reverse delay. I have to admit that I don't like a couple of = the functions as much as I thought I would (the tap tempo is a bit = glitchy when trying to fine-tune while playing and the switch on the = back to attenuate the pedal for use with Humbucking pickups seems to = only make the output quieter), but I did find one function to be a = pleasant surprise: Unlike my other delay pedals, when you set the pedal = to infinite delay and use the speed knob to manually change the loop = length, it doesn't pitch shift. That was actually disappointing to me = until I realized that it also doesn't lose your recorded content when = you shorten the delay time, so you can go back to your original length, = and if you overshoot it, it just adds silence to the end. Maybe there = are tons of delays out there like this, but I'd never used one, so it = was revelation to me. It's a blast to play around with! I was demoing it for one of my = guitar students and started by looping a 3 second drone (the max delay = time), and layering some rhythmic harmonics. Then I hit the reverse = button, which flipped the whole loop backward, and layered some other = rhytmic stuff. I then slammed the speed knob to 0 to make it stutter, = and then slowly pulled it back to the original loop time. Of course, it doesn't really work as a looper, but it was cool enough = to make my student's eyes pop! --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote:=20 Thanks you, Josh. That is very kind of you. :) Nebula is one of my = favorites too....it does make me feel as if I were in a spaceship, = traveling through galaxies, etc and observing astrophysical phenomena.=20 Kris=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" = =20 To: =20 Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:18 AM=20 Subject: Re: Apple iTunes link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments=20 I'd just like to go ahead and throw out my recommendation for this = album. Nebula, in particular, has been in fairly heavy rotation on my = iPod lately and has inspired some tricks I've been throwing into my = electric playing. Very spacey!=20 Per's new album is also excellent. It inspires such creativity, = that I've made it my workday soundtrack.=20 Get them both!=20 --Josh=20 Per Boysen wrote:=20 On 18 feb 2007, at 04.23, Krispen Hartung wrote:=20 FYI...for those who use iTunes, here's the link to my new CD = "Fragments". For some reason, you can buy only a few songs individually, = or the whole CD digitally. Not sure why they do that!=20 That happened to me as well on an album release at iTMS. I think = it is when a piece is longer than ten minutes. Greedy Apple might think = that would give you too much for too little money ;-)=20 BTW, what iTMS aggregator service did you go through? I've been = using CD Baby in the past and am looking into AWAL now.=20 THE Apple iTunes LINK:=20 = http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D= 215298981=20 Previews sound interesting. That ambience and alien scales... = scary stuff :-)=20 Greetings from Sweden=20 Per Boysen=20 www.boysen.se (Swedish)=20 www.looproom.com (international)=20 http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_030F_01C75365.D1120590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joshua=20 Carroll
 
A couple questions:  Are all your effects on that track VST, = or are=20 you using some hardware as well?  Was all the looping done in=20 Mobius?
 
I had to actually listent to the song = again to=20 remember. The first sound you here are from the Lexicon PSP84 =  (VST=20 effect processor). And so is the effect on the guitar that starts in = after=20 that intro. Ah yes...the rich pad effect is my Boss VF1...should have = known. I=20 created a MAX/MSP patch that emulates that VF1 patch, but I haven't = had time=20 to convert it to VST. Then later on the stuff with the high = octave/delay on=20 the guitar is the PSP42.

I just got a Digitech EX-7 (on = the=20 clearance rack at Guitar Center!) a couple weeks ago, and it has = (among other=20 things) a model of the XP300 Space Station (that I love) and one of = the best=20 sounding Wah-Wahs I've ever heard.  I've been having a blast = combining=20 those sounds with some tremolo, phase, and delays attempting to get at = some of=20 the sounds you made on that track.  Tons of fun!
 
Sounds like it. I haven't used wah in = quite a=20 while...I still have my Vox wag in a box somewhere, which = was always=20 a favorite of mine for its smoothness.
Kris


On the subject of guitar pedals, I also just got the = Danelectro=20 Wasabi Forward/Reverse delay.  I have to admit that I don't like = a couple=20 of the functions as much as I thought I would (the tap tempo is a bit = glitchy=20 when trying to fine-tune while playing and the switch on the back to = attenuate=20 the pedal for use with Humbucking pickups seems to only make the = output=20 quieter), but I did find one function to be a pleasant surprise:  = Unlike=20 my other delay pedals, when you set the pedal to infinite delay and = use the=20 speed knob to manually change the loop length, it doesn't pitch = shift. =20 That was actually disappointing to me until I realized that it also = doesn't=20 lose your recorded content when you shorten the delay time, so you can = go back=20 to your original length, and if you overshoot it, it just adds silence = to the=20 end.  Maybe there are tons of delays out there like this, but I'd = never=20 used one, so it was revelation to me.

It's a blast to play = around=20 with!  I was demoing it for one of my guitar students and started = by=20 looping a 3 second drone (the max delay time),  and layering some = rhythmic harmonics.  Then I hit the reverse button, which flipped = the=20 whole loop backward, and layered some other rhytmic stuff.  I = then=20 slammed the speed knob to 0 to make it stutter, and then slowly pulled = it back=20 to the original loop time.

Of course, it doesn't really work as = a=20 looper, but it was cool enough to make my student's eyes=20 pop!

--Josh


Krispen Hartung wrote:
Thanks you, Josh. That is very kind of you. :) Nebula is = one of=20 my favorites too....it does make me feel as if I were in a = spaceship,=20 traveling through galaxies, etc and observing astrophysical = phenomena.=20

Kris

----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua = Carroll" <josh@infinivert.com> =
To: <Loopers-Delight@l= oopers-delight.com>=20
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Apple = iTunes=20 link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments


I'd just like to go ahead and throw out my = recommendation for this album. Nebula, in particular, has been in = fairly=20 heavy rotation on my iPod lately and has inspired some tricks I've = been=20 throwing into my electric playing. Very spacey!

Per's new = album is=20 also excellent.  It inspires such creativity, that I've made = it my=20 workday soundtrack.

Get them both!

--Josh =


Per=20 Boysen wrote:
On 18 feb 2007, at 04.23, Krispen = Hartung wrote:=20

FYI...for those who use iTunes, here's = the=20 link to my new CD "Fragments". For some reason, you can buy = only a few=20 songs individually, or the whole CD digitally. Not sure why = they do=20 that!


That happened to me as well on = an album=20 release at iTMS. I think it is when a piece is longer than ten = minutes.=20 Greedy Apple might think that would give you too much for too = little=20 money ;-)

BTW, what iTMS aggregator service did you go = through?=20 I've been using CD Baby in the past and am looking into AWAL = now.=20


THE Apple iTunes LINK:
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/view= Album?playListId=3D215298981=20

Previews sound = interesting. That=20 ambience and alien scales... scary stuff :-)

Greetings = from=20 Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com = (international)=20
http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h = (latest=20 music release)=20 =











------=_NextPart_000_030F_01C75365.D1120590-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 21:08:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7DEE3BEF5; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D8CEA0.5000505@imt.net> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:09:36 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D7627D.2020902@imt.net> <45D82BA5.1030706@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <45D82BA5.1030706@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Like I say, my intent, if I delve into this, it to produce a product that has enough hardware to easily add innovative features as people request them....hence developing this indeed into an 'ultimate looper'. That's the goal. Will I accomplish it? I dunno. You certainly won't if you don't aim for that though. If I had claimed to have already posessed such a thing I can see order for some of the discussion. :-) As it is I'm just trying to express desire to build something that will have the features of increased track accessibility, smoother control at low volume levels, elaborate yet intuitive speed/meter control and some other features which I don't want to discuss at this time like I say because a few surprises at release time *are* nice for the designer. But as I said to some also would love to hear people's wish list of course so as to make this a product which fulfills all forseen needs if possible. Hence...the use of 'ultimate looper'...once again. I really dont' *get* the rub here. It's almost like people think I'm insulting the looperlative by insinuating that it leaves something to be desired or something. It's a GREAT sounding product...for probably a large percentage of the people out there. Of course if this winds up being very near the price point then it won't look quite so good I suppose in comparison. But that's all to be seen. So please..at this point just send me suggestions if you'd like to see this happen. The unit will likely use AD products btw. Considering whether it will be necessary to employ a TigerSHARC or if a SHARC will be adequate headroom. As I tried to note, the PIC chip will only do the button and controller processing, displays, etc. -Bob andy butler wrote: > > > Bob Weigel wrote: > >> So anyway I'm fairly fresh with PIC programming from that project at > > > A more powerful chip needed for the dsp surely? > >> etc. btw..one of the very important features of this unit will be >> that it has my single pedal volume control interface. We probably >> can get by with 10 bit A/D there because if need be, there will be a >> movement sensing in s/w which gates the selected CV's directly to the >> pedal voltage! This allows for absolutely smooth transitions to >> extinction. > > > 128 steps, as Jeff points out, when smoothed is ok for most audio > applications. > Except that it's not good enough for a slow fade to zero. > > I do a lot of shaping the sound with quick pedal movements, and the > 'shapes' produced just aren't as smooth as they could be using 7-bit > res, even with smoothing. ( with the smoothing fine tuned it's > acceptable though) > > >> >> The whole objective also is to make this more like the Jamman which >> nicely syncs loops so that you dont' have to press buttons precisely. > > > The sync in the JamMan is primitive and glitchy. > There's often a little scratchy sound at the loop-start, even when > just playing the loop. > > One of the "hard problems" in making a looper is how to handle > overdubs while synced. Just try it with the JamMan to hear how bad it > can be. > > Actually this sounds like exactly the sort of problem you'd enjoy > solving :-) > > ...but maybe you don't want to overdub onto the loops ?? > >> We may have it with a couple *modes* and call that 'tight' mode or >> something and have an 'open' mode which allows people to do >> polyrhytmic overlays if they want :-). But minimally we want it to >> be capable of tight looping regardless of when the user hits the >> start button. >> >> A host of other nested possibilities with tempo tapping/sliding are >> being considered also. And some other options that I probably >> shouldn't mention at this time :-). -Bob >> > > From watching the video of your client, what you're basically > intending is something like "8 stereo JamMans" in a box, all of them > in Loop Mode. > Just using each loop to record one layer only. > > That doesn't sound too hard to implement, so I'd support your optimism > in thinking it's easily possible to do. > As you described from your experience, it's much easier to design when > you know all the requirements at the start of the project. > > I think some of the more "unbelieving" comments on the list here are > provoked by the "Ultimate Looper" moniker. There's a lot of people > here who would find the "8 stereo JamMans" approach somewhat lacking > in the features that they rely upon. > > If you want to make the "Ultimate", then it's going to take a lot of > time and sweat, possibly starting with a review of the ways in which > people use their devices to create structured music. > > As a designer, I'm sure your familiar with the term "feature creep", > where a program picks up extra features during development, ultimately > making it almost impossible to make it bug free. Be warned, a looping > device attracts feature creep in a big way. Loopers think that Beta > Testing is an excuse to get their ideas put into the machine :-) > > Good luck with your venture. > > andy butler > > ( yes, I was tester for the EDP ) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 21:18:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 021643BF11; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:18:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: rmUmHFQVM1kvSxk76nu3hOrs7ZJZqcH5o1tQpAs_UwTr0tJxuOKLweazTwMUmT0MMTaypZbpY_bnOfxSTuV16hc45FAgfRJndQlJqg3zioIxBkGYMsrmVygVup4JB8gPqkHbyrWCphRQc9o- Message-ID: <45D8C290.6010601@infinivert.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:18:08 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Apple iTunes link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments / short-form-looping with Danelectro Wasabi Delay References: <011d01c7530c$312b9040$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <498C1D5E-E79D-436F-8335-587BF44EC934@gmail.com> <45D86E4F.6080803@infinivert.com> <022001c75382$6458e5f0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D8B543.9070700@infinivert.com> <031201c753a0$7e591ab0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <031201c753a0$7e591ab0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040707050002080004070004" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:18:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040707050002080004070004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, the wah I'm referring to is the Vox simulation. Much smoother and even than my crybaby. Krispen Hartung wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Joshua Carroll > > A couple questions: Are all your effects on that track VST, or > are you using some hardware as well? Was all the looping done in > Mobius? > > I had to actually listent to the song again to remember. The first > sound you here are from the Lexicon PSP84 (VST effect processor). > And so is the effect on the guitar that starts in after that > intro. Ah yes...the rich pad effect is my Boss VF1...should have > known. I created a MAX/MSP patch that emulates that VF1 patch, but > I haven't had time to convert it to VST. Then later on the stuff > with the high octave/delay on the guitar is the PSP42. > > I just got a Digitech EX-7 (on the clearance rack at Guitar > Center!) a couple weeks ago, and it has (among other things) a > model of the XP300 Space Station (that I love) and one of the best > sounding Wah-Wahs I've ever heard. I've been having a blast > combining those sounds with some tremolo, phase, and delays > attempting to get at some of the sounds you made on that track. > Tons of fun! > > Sounds like it. I haven't used wah in quite a while...I still have > my Vox wag in a box somewhere, which was always a favorite of mine > for its smoothness. > > Kris > > > On the subject of guitar pedals, I also just got the Danelectro > Wasabi Forward/Reverse delay. I have to admit that I don't like a > couple of the functions as much as I thought I would (the tap > tempo is a bit glitchy when trying to fine-tune while playing and > the switch on the back to attenuate the pedal for use with > Humbucking pickups seems to only make the output quieter), but I > did find one function to be a pleasant surprise: Unlike my other > delay pedals, when you set the pedal to infinite delay and use the > speed knob to manually change the loop length, it doesn't pitch > shift. That was actually disappointing to me until I realized > that it also doesn't lose your recorded content when you shorten > the delay time, so you can go back to your original length, and if > you overshoot it, it just adds silence to the end. Maybe there > are tons of delays out there like this, but I'd never used one, so > it was revelation to me. > > It's a blast to play around with! I was demoing it for one of my > guitar students and started by looping a 3 second drone (the max > delay time), and layering some rhythmic harmonics. Then I hit > the reverse button, which flipped the whole loop backward, and > layered some other rhytmic stuff. I then slammed the speed knob > to 0 to make it stutter, and then slowly pulled it back to the > original loop time. > > Of course, it doesn't really work as a looper, but it was cool > enough to make my student's eyes pop! > > --Josh > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Thanks you, Josh. That is very kind of you. :) Nebula is one of >> my favorites too....it does make me feel as if I were in a >> spaceship, traveling through galaxies, etc and observing >> astrophysical phenomena. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" >> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:18 AM >> Subject: Re: Apple iTunes link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments >> >> >>> I'd just like to go ahead and throw out my recommendation for >>> this album. Nebula, in particular, has been in fairly heavy >>> rotation on my iPod lately and has inspired some tricks I've >>> been throwing into my electric playing. Very spacey! >>> >>> Per's new album is also excellent. It inspires such creativity, >>> that I've made it my workday soundtrack. >>> >>> Get them both! >>> >>> --Josh >>> >>> >>> Per Boysen wrote: >>>> On 18 feb 2007, at 04.23, Krispen Hartung wrote: >>>> >>>>> FYI...for those who use iTunes, here's the link to my new CD >>>>> "Fragments". For some reason, you can buy only a few songs >>>>> individually, or the whole CD digitally. Not sure why they do >>>>> that! >>>> >>>> >>>> That happened to me as well on an album release at iTMS. I >>>> think it is when a piece is longer than ten minutes. Greedy >>>> Apple might think that would give you too much for too little >>>> money ;-) >>>> >>>> BTW, what iTMS aggregator service did you go through? I've been >>>> using CD Baby in the past and am looking into AWAL now. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> THE Apple iTunes LINK: >>>>>> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=215298981 >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Previews sound interesting. That ambience and alien scales... >>>> scary stuff :-) >>>> >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>>> www.looproom.com (international) >>>> http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> --------------040707050002080004070004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, the wah I'm referring to is the Vox simulation.  Much smoother and even than my crybaby.

Krispen Hartung wrote:
----- Original Message -----
 
A couple questions:  Are all your effects on that track VST, or are you using some hardware as well?  Was all the looping done in Mobius?
 
I had to actually listent to the song again to remember. The first sound you here are from the Lexicon PSP84  (VST effect processor). And so is the effect on the guitar that starts in after that intro. Ah yes...the rich pad effect is my Boss VF1...should have known. I created a MAX/MSP patch that emulates that VF1 patch, but I haven't had time to convert it to VST. Then later on the stuff with the high octave/delay on the guitar is the PSP42.

I just got a Digitech EX-7 (on the clearance rack at Guitar Center!) a couple weeks ago, and it has (among other things) a model of the XP300 Space Station (that I love) and one of the best sounding Wah-Wahs I've ever heard.  I've been having a blast combining those sounds with some tremolo, phase, and delays attempting to get at some of the sounds you made on that track.  Tons of fun!
 
Sounds like it. I haven't used wah in quite a while...I still have my Vox wag in a box somewhere, which was always a favorite of mine for its smoothness.
Kris


On the subject of guitar pedals, I also just got the Danelectro Wasabi Forward/Reverse delay.  I have to admit that I don't like a couple of the functions as much as I thought I would (the tap tempo is a bit glitchy when trying to fine-tune while playing and the switch on the back to attenuate the pedal for use with Humbucking pickups seems to only make the output quieter), but I did find one function to be a pleasant surprise:  Unlike my other delay pedals, when you set the pedal to infinite delay and use the speed knob to manually change the loop length, it doesn't pitch shift.  That was actually disappointing to me until I realized that it also doesn't lose your recorded content when you shorten the delay time, so you can go back to your original length, and if you overshoot it, it just adds silence to the end.  Maybe there are tons of delays out there like this, but I'd never used one, so it was revelation to me.

It's a blast to play around with!  I was demoing it for one of my guitar students and started by looping a 3 second drone (the max delay time),  and layering some rhythmic harmonics.  Then I hit the reverse button, which flipped the whole loop backward, and layered some other rhytmic stuff.  I then slammed the speed knob to 0 to make it stutter, and then slowly pulled it back to the original loop time.

Of course, it doesn't really work as a looper, but it was cool enough to make my student's eyes pop!

--Josh


Krispen Hartung wrote:
Thanks you, Josh. That is very kind of you. :) Nebula is one of my favorites too....it does make me feel as if I were in a spaceship, traveling through galaxies, etc and observing astrophysical phenomena.

Kris

----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" <josh@infinivert.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Apple iTunes link for Krispen Hartung: Fragments


I'd just like to go ahead and throw out my recommendation for this album. Nebula, in particular, has been in fairly heavy rotation on my iPod lately and has inspired some tricks I've been throwing into my electric playing. Very spacey!

Per's new album is also excellent.  It inspires such creativity, that I've made it my workday soundtrack.

Get them both!

--Josh


Per Boysen wrote:
On 18 feb 2007, at 04.23, Krispen Hartung wrote:

FYI...for those who use iTunes, here's the link to my new CD "Fragments". For some reason, you can buy only a few songs individually, or the whole CD digitally. Not sure why they do that!


That happened to me as well on an album release at iTMS. I think it is when a piece is longer than ten minutes. Greedy Apple might think that would give you too much for too little money ;-)

BTW, what iTMS aggregator service did you go through? I've been using CD Baby in the past and am looking into AWAL now.


THE Apple iTunes LINK:
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=215298981

Previews sound interesting. That ambience and alien scales... scary stuff :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release)












--------------040707050002080004070004-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 21:27:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00CE23BF12; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D8D310.2080706@imt.net> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:28:32 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3DF0B5F1-C7DB-4ED6-A8E4-2D5C3A44E1ED@zonemobius.com> <45D77AE3.40305@imt.net> <56A7B2C2-050E-407A-9A66-81217FFADC75@zonemobius.com> <45D80C5B.1040003@imt.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Well excellent! You should be one of the best resources for suggestions and I hope we can make this fulfill everyone's wildest dreams. Including mine :-). I love old analog stuff and have a large collection of machines that I'd love to do some loop projects with. Your pessimism..and mine is fully shared. Hence the title of the post. "Considering.....". In a way I've been looking for an excuse though to get into doing some design with the newer devices available that will at least pay for the experience. If it looks likely it will I'll probably go for it! Thanks, -Bob Jeffrey Larson wrote: > > > If I feel in my research that I can't provide that then > > I'll back off the project of course. BUT THIS IS HOW GREAT THINGS > > COME TO BE...so please. I'm just inquiring. No harm in that. > > None whatsoever. welcome. I think you'll find this list is one > of the most valuable sources of information for this research. > > > Anyway I dont' find anything friendly about your post. > > Well, I'm sorry about that. I'm just one of those people that sets > the bar pretty high when I hear the term "ultimate looper". And as > the author of a relatively popular software looper, I think I have a > pretty good idea of how hard it is to build one. > > Believe me, no one would like to make a living building loopers more > than I would. But I just don't see the market. At the high end you > tend to have a high profit margin, but relatively few people want to > buy the product. At the low end you can't compete with the volume > manufacturing processes of Roland. There's more room in the middle, > say the $500 range, but the margins are lower so you're going to have > to sell a *lot* of them to make a living. In the mid range, you're > going to > need some unique features to stand out, and that means a *lot* of > software development. Writing and testing looping software is extremely > difficult, this is way beyond typical PIC programming. > > I don't want my comments to sound unfriendly. But they certainly > are pessimistic. Reality isn't always friendly. > > I do wish you luck though, anything that serves to improve mass > awareness > of looping is perfectly fine with me. > > > PLEASE...try emailing me instead of making a public spectacle like > > this before you are sure of what you are talking about with me. > > FINALLY! After over two years on this list I've made my first > public spectacle. Gosh, I wish I'd known it was that easy :-) > > Seriously, there's a lot of public debate on this list, I hardly think > this was crossing the line. In fact, the opinions of the other list > members on this topic should be extremely valuable to you. I for one > was surprised by the comments on volume pedal resolution. That's > great to know. Progress was made. Can we all hug now? > > Your Friend, > Jeff > www.zonemobius.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 21:37:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E28AC3BEF9; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:37:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: 8lS2XCsVM1m3nRLLr0YsvYCq1vbEa8aF6ERPT.NudqCW4tubhTW9_SlAuRtK9evsZVp0iMiS0Ah.5VVB1LTKYBnNiJR.C1JOxGbAt3NMVajUbli_7gXtocOciJtn7RBODyia84ugXmjxapQ- Message-ID: <45D8C717.40703@infinivert.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:37:27 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D7627D.2020902@imt.net> <45D82BA5.1030706@tiscali.co.uk> <45D8CEA0.5000505@imt.net> In-Reply-To: <45D8CEA0.5000505@imt.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010809020409060205020908" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:37:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010809020409060205020908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Bob, Sounds like a cool project! Most of my wishlist would likely be in the realm of bells and whistles rather than core competency, but here it is nonetheless for whatever it's worth: Favorite features from Mobius that I wouldn't want to lose: * *Active development and awesome community *- This is THE number-one selling point. If I have a problem, I can e-mail Jeff directly, and 99% of the time he fixes it or helps me trouble-shoot. Occasionally, feature suggestions I've made have even been implemented, and that makes me feel very loyal. And even though he does it for free(!), I and most of the Mobius core group would happily pay for the product simply because it's always improving, and we're grateful. Most hardware units (the looperlative excepted) cannot claim this kind of constant development. * *The ability to write my own scripts to add fun behaviors and share with the community* - A chunk of my set (and Per's) depends on auto-panning, tremolo, pitch adjustment, and other scripts that are not part of the Mobius core product. * *Sync features with other software / hardware units.* * *Multiple ins/outs with easy setup* - on this point, it would be great if the hardware looper could also function as a USB/Firewire audio interface and allow the user to insert VST/AU effects and instruments into the signal chain as well as record audio on seperate tracks. That would be something I've yet to see another looper accomplish! * *MIDI control* - It's always a plus when I can use one MIDI controller to control several things simultaneously. Obviously this would be added to whatever hardware controllers you're building. * Visual Feedback - I have no suggestions on how this could be implemented, but the lack of visual feedback has scared me away from most hardware units. Bob Weigel wrote: > Like I say, my intent, if I delve into this, it to produce a product > that has enough hardware to easily add innovative features as people > request them....hence developing this indeed into an 'ultimate > looper'. That's the goal. Will I accomplish it? I dunno. You > certainly won't if you don't aim for that though. > > If I had claimed to have already posessed such a thing I can see order > for some of the discussion. :-) As it is I'm just trying to express > desire to build something that will have the features of increased > track accessibility, smoother control at low volume levels, elaborate > yet intuitive speed/meter control and some other features which I > don't want to discuss at this time like I say because a few surprises > at release time *are* nice for the designer. But as I said to some > also would love to hear people's wish list of course so as to make > this a product which fulfills all forseen needs if possible. > Hence...the use of 'ultimate looper'...once again. I really dont' > *get* the rub here. It's almost like people think I'm insulting the > looperlative by insinuating that it leaves something to be desired or > something. It's a GREAT sounding product...for probably a large > percentage of the people out there. Of course if this winds up being > very near the price point then it won't look quite so good I suppose > in comparison. But that's all to be seen. So please..at this point > just send me suggestions if you'd like to see this happen. > > The unit will likely use AD products btw. Considering whether it will > be necessary to employ a TigerSHARC or if a SHARC will be adequate > headroom. As I tried to note, the PIC chip will only do the button > and controller processing, displays, etc. -Bob > > andy butler wrote: > >> >> >> Bob Weigel wrote: >> >>> So anyway I'm fairly fresh with PIC programming from that project at >> >> >> A more powerful chip needed for the dsp surely? >> >>> etc. btw..one of the very important features of this unit will be >>> that it has my single pedal volume control interface. We probably >>> can get by with 10 bit A/D there because if need be, there will be a >>> movement sensing in s/w which gates the selected CV's directly to >>> the pedal voltage! This allows for absolutely smooth transitions to >>> extinction. >> >> >> 128 steps, as Jeff points out, when smoothed is ok for most audio >> applications. >> Except that it's not good enough for a slow fade to zero. >> >> I do a lot of shaping the sound with quick pedal movements, and the >> 'shapes' produced just aren't as smooth as they could be using 7-bit >> res, even with smoothing. ( with the smoothing fine tuned it's >> acceptable though) >> >> >>> >>> The whole objective also is to make this more like the Jamman which >>> nicely syncs loops so that you dont' have to press buttons precisely. >> >> >> The sync in the JamMan is primitive and glitchy. >> There's often a little scratchy sound at the loop-start, even when >> just playing the loop. >> >> One of the "hard problems" in making a looper is how to handle >> overdubs while synced. Just try it with the JamMan to hear how bad it >> can be. >> >> Actually this sounds like exactly the sort of problem you'd enjoy >> solving :-) >> >> ...but maybe you don't want to overdub onto the loops ?? >> >>> We may have it with a couple *modes* and call that 'tight' mode or >>> something and have an 'open' mode which allows people to do >>> polyrhytmic overlays if they want :-). But minimally we want it to >>> be capable of tight looping regardless of when the user hits the >>> start button. >>> >>> A host of other nested possibilities with tempo tapping/sliding are >>> being considered also. And some other options that I probably >>> shouldn't mention at this time :-). -Bob >>> >> >> From watching the video of your client, what you're basically >> intending is something like "8 stereo JamMans" in a box, all of them >> in Loop Mode. >> Just using each loop to record one layer only. >> >> That doesn't sound too hard to implement, so I'd support your >> optimism in thinking it's easily possible to do. >> As you described from your experience, it's much easier to design >> when you know all the requirements at the start of the project. >> >> I think some of the more "unbelieving" comments on the list here are >> provoked by the "Ultimate Looper" moniker. There's a lot of people >> here who would find the "8 stereo JamMans" approach somewhat lacking >> in the features that they rely upon. >> >> If you want to make the "Ultimate", then it's going to take a lot of >> time and sweat, possibly starting with a review of the ways in which >> people use their devices to create structured music. >> >> As a designer, I'm sure your familiar with the term "feature creep", >> where a program picks up extra features during development, >> ultimately making it almost impossible to make it bug free. Be >> warned, a looping device attracts feature creep in a big way. Loopers >> think that Beta Testing is an excuse to get their ideas put into the >> machine :-) >> >> Good luck with your venture. >> >> andy butler >> >> ( yes, I was tester for the EDP ) >> >> >> >> > > > > --------------010809020409060205020908 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Bob,

Sounds like a cool project!  Most of my wishlist would likely be in the realm of bells and whistles rather than core competency, but here it is nonetheless for whatever it's worth:

Favorite features from Mobius that I wouldn't want to lose:
  • Active development and awesome community - This is THE number-one selling point.  If I have a problem, I can e-mail Jeff directly, and 99% of the time he fixes it or helps me trouble-shoot.  Occasionally, feature suggestions I've made have even been implemented, and that makes me feel very loyal.  And even though he does it for free(!), I and most of the Mobius core group would happily pay for the product simply because it's always improving, and we're grateful.  Most hardware units (the looperlative excepted) cannot claim this kind of constant development.
  • The ability to write my own scripts to add fun behaviors and share with the community - A chunk of my set (and Per's) depends on auto-panning, tremolo, pitch adjustment, and other scripts that are not part of the Mobius core product.
  • Sync features with other software / hardware units.
  • Multiple ins/outs with easy setup - on this point, it would be great if the hardware looper could also function as a USB/Firewire audio interface and allow the user to insert VST/AU effects and instruments into the signal chain as well as record audio on seperate tracks.  That would be something I've yet to see another looper accomplish!
  • MIDI control - It's always a plus when I can use one MIDI controller to control several things simultaneously.  Obviously this would be added to whatever hardware controllers you're building.
  • Visual Feedback - I have no suggestions on how this could be implemented, but the lack of visual feedback has scared me away from most hardware units.
Bob Weigel wrote:
Like I say, my intent, if I delve into this, it to produce a product that has enough hardware to easily add innovative features as people request them....hence developing this indeed into an 'ultimate looper'.  That's the goal.  Will I accomplish it?  I dunno.  You certainly won't if you don't aim for that though.

If I had claimed to have already posessed such a thing I can see order for some of the discussion. :-)  As it is I'm just trying to express desire to build something that will have the features of increased track accessibility, smoother control at low volume levels, elaborate yet intuitive speed/meter control and some other features which I don't want to discuss at this time like I say because a few surprises at release time *are* nice for the designer.  But as I said to some also would love to hear people's wish list of course so as to make this a product which fulfills all forseen needs if possible.
Hence...the use of 'ultimate looper'...once again.  I really dont' *get* the rub here.  It's almost like people think I'm insulting the looperlative by insinuating that it leaves something to be desired or something.  It's a GREAT sounding product...for probably a large percentage of the people out there.  Of course if this winds up being very near the price point then it won't look quite so good I suppose in comparison.  But that's all to be seen.  So please..at this point just send me suggestions if you'd like to see this happen.

The unit will likely use AD products btw.  Considering whether it will be necessary to employ a TigerSHARC or if a SHARC will be adequate headroom.  As I tried to note, the PIC chip will only do the button and controller processing, displays, etc.   -Bob

andy butler wrote:



Bob Weigel wrote:

So anyway I'm fairly fresh with PIC programming from that project at


A more powerful chip needed for the dsp surely?

etc.  btw..one of the very important features of this unit will be that it has my single pedal volume control interface.  We probably can get by with 10 bit A/D there because if need be, there will be a movement sensing in s/w which gates the selected CV's directly to the pedal voltage!  This allows for absolutely smooth transitions to extinction.  


128 steps, as Jeff points out, when smoothed  is ok for most audio applications.
Except that it's not good enough for a slow fade to zero.

I do a lot of shaping the sound with quick pedal movements, and the 'shapes' produced just aren't as smooth as they could be using 7-bit res, even with smoothing. ( with the smoothing fine tuned it's acceptable though)



The whole objective also is to make this more like the Jamman which nicely syncs loops so that you dont' have to press buttons precisely. 


The sync in the JamMan is primitive and glitchy.
There's often a little scratchy sound at the loop-start, even when just playing the loop.

One of the "hard problems" in making a looper is how to handle overdubs while synced. Just try it with the JamMan to hear how bad it can be.

Actually this sounds like exactly the sort of problem you'd enjoy solving :-)

...but maybe you don't want to overdub onto the loops ??

We may have it with a couple *modes* and call that 'tight' mode or something and have an 'open' mode which allows people to do polyrhytmic overlays if they want :-). But minimally we want it to  be capable of tight looping regardless of when the user hits the start button.

A host of other nested possibilities with tempo tapping/sliding are being considered also. And some other options that I probably shouldn't mention at this time :-). -Bob


>From watching the video of your client, what you're basically intending is something like "8 stereo JamMans" in a box, all of them in Loop Mode.
Just using each loop to record one layer only.

That doesn't sound too hard to implement, so I'd support your optimism in thinking it's easily possible to do.
As you described from your experience, it's much easier to design when you know all the requirements at the start of the project.

I think some of the more "unbelieving" comments on the list here are provoked by the "Ultimate Looper" moniker. There's a lot of people here who would find the "8 stereo JamMans" approach somewhat lacking in the features that they rely upon.

If you want to make the "Ultimate", then it's going to take a lot of time and sweat, possibly starting with a review of the ways in which people use their devices to create structured music.

As a designer, I'm sure your familiar with the term "feature creep", where a program picks up extra features during development, ultimately making it almost impossible to make it bug free. Be warned, a looping device attracts feature creep in a big way. Loopers think that Beta Testing is an excuse to get their ideas put into the machine :-)

Good luck with your venture.

andy butler

( yes, I was tester for the EDP )








--------------010809020409060205020908-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 21:42:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4D8C3BEF5; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:42:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: KJj.GrgVM1mLcXgPu7peog79m1xAmkIfhRljS7_81uDWo42PwxrEJIzkS4VecvDqkL6hcqfEebnLy1p1aVs4JzXH18PNZACay2qAfAep3cgsNnhk5ihVe6PhhN_Kjer74XiEsnf2P.ydwYg- Message-ID: <45D8C833.50206@infinivert.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:42:11 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D7627D.2020902@imt.net> <45D82BA5.1030706@tiscali.co.uk> <45D8CEA0.5000505@imt.net> <45D8C717.40703@infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <45D8C717.40703@infinivert.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080908020800000704050904" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:42:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080908020800000704050904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry everyone. I accidentally hit send early on this one, and I didn't intend for it to go to the entire list. My apologies. --Josh Joshua Carroll wrote: > Hey Bob, > > Sounds like a cool project! Most of my wishlist would likely be in > the realm of bells and whistles rather than core competency, but here > it is nonetheless for whatever it's worth: > > Favorite features from Mobius that I wouldn't want to lose: > > * *Active development and awesome community *- This is THE > number-one selling point. If I have a problem, I can e-mail > Jeff directly, and 99% of the time he fixes it or helps me > trouble-shoot. Occasionally, feature suggestions I've made have > even been implemented, and that makes me feel very loyal. And > even though he does it for free(!), I and most of the Mobius > core group would happily pay for the product simply because it's > always improving, and we're grateful. Most hardware units (the > looperlative excepted) cannot claim this kind of constant > development. > * *The ability to write my own scripts to add fun behaviors and > share with the community* - A chunk of my set (and Per's) > depends on auto-panning, tremolo, pitch adjustment, and other > scripts that are not part of the Mobius core product. > * *Sync features with other software / hardware units.* > * *Multiple ins/outs with easy setup* - on this point, it would be > great if the hardware looper could also function as a > USB/Firewire audio interface and allow the user to insert VST/AU > effects and instruments into the signal chain as well as record > audio on seperate tracks. That would be something I've yet to > see another looper accomplish! > * *MIDI control* - It's always a plus when I can use one MIDI > controller to control several things simultaneously. Obviously > this would be added to whatever hardware controllers you're > building. > * Visual Feedback - I have no suggestions on how this could be > implemented, but the lack of visual feedback has scared me away > from most hardware units. > > Bob Weigel wrote: >> Like I say, my intent, if I delve into this, it to produce a product >> that has enough hardware to easily add innovative features as people >> request them....hence developing this indeed into an 'ultimate >> looper'. That's the goal. Will I accomplish it? I dunno. You >> certainly won't if you don't aim for that though. >> >> If I had claimed to have already posessed such a thing I can see >> order for some of the discussion. :-) As it is I'm just trying to >> express desire to build something that will have the features of >> increased track accessibility, smoother control at low volume levels, >> elaborate yet intuitive speed/meter control and some other features >> which I don't want to discuss at this time like I say because a few >> surprises at release time *are* nice for the designer. But as I said >> to some also would love to hear people's wish list of course so as to >> make this a product which fulfills all forseen needs if possible. >> Hence...the use of 'ultimate looper'...once again. I really dont' >> *get* the rub here. It's almost like people think I'm insulting the >> looperlative by insinuating that it leaves something to be desired or >> something. It's a GREAT sounding product...for probably a large >> percentage of the people out there. Of course if this winds up being >> very near the price point then it won't look quite so good I suppose >> in comparison. But that's all to be seen. So please..at this point >> just send me suggestions if you'd like to see this happen. >> >> The unit will likely use AD products btw. Considering whether it >> will be necessary to employ a TigerSHARC or if a SHARC will be >> adequate headroom. As I tried to note, the PIC chip will only do the >> button and controller processing, displays, etc. -Bob >> >> andy butler wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Bob Weigel wrote: >>> >>>> So anyway I'm fairly fresh with PIC programming from that project at >>> >>> >>> A more powerful chip needed for the dsp surely? >>> >>>> etc. btw..one of the very important features of this unit will be >>>> that it has my single pedal volume control interface. We probably >>>> can get by with 10 bit A/D there because if need be, there will be >>>> a movement sensing in s/w which gates the selected CV's directly to >>>> the pedal voltage! This allows for absolutely smooth transitions >>>> to extinction. >>> >>> >>> 128 steps, as Jeff points out, when smoothed is ok for most audio >>> applications. >>> Except that it's not good enough for a slow fade to zero. >>> >>> I do a lot of shaping the sound with quick pedal movements, and the >>> 'shapes' produced just aren't as smooth as they could be using 7-bit >>> res, even with smoothing. ( with the smoothing fine tuned it's >>> acceptable though) >>> >>> >>>> >>>> The whole objective also is to make this more like the Jamman which >>>> nicely syncs loops so that you dont' have to press buttons precisely. >>> >>> >>> The sync in the JamMan is primitive and glitchy. >>> There's often a little scratchy sound at the loop-start, even when >>> just playing the loop. >>> >>> One of the "hard problems" in making a looper is how to handle >>> overdubs while synced. Just try it with the JamMan to hear how bad >>> it can be. >>> >>> Actually this sounds like exactly the sort of problem you'd enjoy >>> solving :-) >>> >>> ...but maybe you don't want to overdub onto the loops ?? >>> >>>> We may have it with a couple *modes* and call that 'tight' mode or >>>> something and have an 'open' mode which allows people to do >>>> polyrhytmic overlays if they want :-). But minimally we want it to >>>> be capable of tight looping regardless of when the user hits the >>>> start button. >>>> >>>> A host of other nested possibilities with tempo tapping/sliding are >>>> being considered also. And some other options that I probably >>>> shouldn't mention at this time :-). -Bob >>>> >>> >>> >From watching the video of your client, what you're basically >>> intending is something like "8 stereo JamMans" in a box, all of them >>> in Loop Mode. >>> Just using each loop to record one layer only. >>> >>> That doesn't sound too hard to implement, so I'd support your >>> optimism in thinking it's easily possible to do. >>> As you described from your experience, it's much easier to design >>> when you know all the requirements at the start of the project. >>> >>> I think some of the more "unbelieving" comments on the list here are >>> provoked by the "Ultimate Looper" moniker. There's a lot of people >>> here who would find the "8 stereo JamMans" approach somewhat lacking >>> in the features that they rely upon. >>> >>> If you want to make the "Ultimate", then it's going to take a lot of >>> time and sweat, possibly starting with a review of the ways in which >>> people use their devices to create structured music. >>> >>> As a designer, I'm sure your familiar with the term "feature creep", >>> where a program picks up extra features during development, >>> ultimately making it almost impossible to make it bug free. Be >>> warned, a looping device attracts feature creep in a big way. >>> Loopers think that Beta Testing is an excuse to get their ideas put >>> into the machine :-) >>> >>> Good luck with your venture. >>> >>> andy butler >>> >>> ( yes, I was tester for the EDP ) >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> --------------080908020800000704050904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry everyone.  I accidentally hit send early on this one, and I didn't intend for it to go to the entire list.  My apologies.

--Josh


Joshua Carroll wrote:
Hey Bob,

Sounds like a cool project!  Most of my wishlist would likely be in the realm of bells and whistles rather than core competency, but here it is nonetheless for whatever it's worth:

Favorite features from Mobius that I wouldn't want to lose:
  • Active development and awesome community - This is THE number-one selling point.  If I have a problem, I can e-mail Jeff directly, and 99% of the time he fixes it or helps me trouble-shoot.  Occasionally, feature suggestions I've made have even been implemented, and that makes me feel very loyal.  And even though he does it for free(!), I and most of the Mobius core group would happily pay for the product simply because it's always improving, and we're grateful.  Most hardware units (the looperlative excepted) cannot claim this kind of constant development.
  • The ability to write my own scripts to add fun behaviors and share with the community - A chunk of my set (and Per's) depends on auto-panning, tremolo, pitch adjustment, and other scripts that are not part of the Mobius core product.
  • Sync features with other software / hardware units.
  • Multiple ins/outs with easy setup - on this point, it would be great if the hardware looper could also function as a USB/Firewire audio interface and allow the user to insert VST/AU effects and instruments into the signal chain as well as record audio on seperate tracks.  That would be something I've yet to see another looper accomplish!
  • MIDI control - It's always a plus when I can use one MIDI controller to control several things simultaneously.  Obviously this would be added to whatever hardware controllers you're building.
  • Visual Feedback - I have no suggestions on how this could be implemented, but the lack of visual feedback has scared me away from most hardware units.
Bob Weigel wrote:
Like I say, my intent, if I delve into this, it to produce a product that has enough hardware to easily add innovative features as people request them....hence developing this indeed into an 'ultimate looper'.  That's the goal.  Will I accomplish it?  I dunno.  You certainly won't if you don't aim for that though.

If I had claimed to have already posessed such a thing I can see order for some of the discussion. :-)  As it is I'm just trying to express desire to build something that will have the features of increased track accessibility, smoother control at low volume levels, elaborate yet intuitive speed/meter control and some other features which I don't want to discuss at this time like I say because a few surprises at release time *are* nice for the designer.  But as I said to some also would love to hear people's wish list of course so as to make this a product which fulfills all forseen needs if possible.
Hence...the use of 'ultimate looper'...once again.  I really dont' *get* the rub here.  It's almost like people think I'm insulting the looperlative by insinuating that it leaves something to be desired or something.  It's a GREAT sounding product...for probably a large percentage of the people out there.  Of course if this winds up being very near the price point then it won't look quite so good I suppose in comparison.  But that's all to be seen.  So please..at this point just send me suggestions if you'd like to see this happen.

The unit will likely use AD products btw.  Considering whether it will be necessary to employ a TigerSHARC or if a SHARC will be adequate headroom.  As I tried to note, the PIC chip will only do the button and controller processing, displays, etc.   -Bob

andy butler wrote:



Bob Weigel wrote:

So anyway I'm fairly fresh with PIC programming from that project at


A more powerful chip needed for the dsp surely?

etc.  btw..one of the very important features of this unit will be that it has my single pedal volume control interface.  We probably can get by with 10 bit A/D there because if need be, there will be a movement sensing in s/w which gates the selected CV's directly to the pedal voltage!  This allows for absolutely smooth transitions to extinction.  


128 steps, as Jeff points out, when smoothed  is ok for most audio applications.
Except that it's not good enough for a slow fade to zero.

I do a lot of shaping the sound with quick pedal movements, and the 'shapes' produced just aren't as smooth as they could be using 7-bit res, even with smoothing. ( with the smoothing fine tuned it's acceptable though)



The whole objective also is to make this more like the Jamman which nicely syncs loops so that you dont' have to press buttons precisely. 


The sync in the JamMan is primitive and glitchy.
There's often a little scratchy sound at the loop-start, even when just playing the loop.

One of the "hard problems" in making a looper is how to handle overdubs while synced. Just try it with the JamMan to hear how bad it can be.

Actually this sounds like exactly the sort of problem you'd enjoy solving :-)

...but maybe you don't want to overdub onto the loops ??

We may have it with a couple *modes* and call that 'tight' mode or something and have an 'open' mode which allows people to do polyrhytmic overlays if they want :-). But minimally we want it to  be capable of tight looping regardless of when the user hits the start button.

A host of other nested possibilities with tempo tapping/sliding are being considered also. And some other options that I probably shouldn't mention at this time :-). -Bob


>From watching the video of your client, what you're basically intending is something like "8 stereo JamMans" in a box, all of them in Loop Mode.
Just using each loop to record one layer only.

That doesn't sound too hard to implement, so I'd support your optimism in thinking it's easily possible to do.
As you described from your experience, it's much easier to design when you know all the requirements at the start of the project.

I think some of the more "unbelieving" comments on the list here are provoked by the "Ultimate Looper" moniker. There's a lot of people here who would find the "8 stereo JamMans" approach somewhat lacking in the features that they rely upon.

If you want to make the "Ultimate", then it's going to take a lot of time and sweat, possibly starting with a review of the ways in which people use their devices to create structured music.

As a designer, I'm sure your familiar with the term "feature creep", where a program picks up extra features during development, ultimately making it almost impossible to make it bug free. Be warned, a looping device attracts feature creep in a big way. Loopers think that Beta Testing is an excuse to get their ideas put into the machine :-)

Good luck with your venture.

andy butler

( yes, I was tester for the EDP )








--------------080908020800000704050904-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 21:42:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47B0B3BF01; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D8D69D.6010300@imt.net> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:43:41 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <20070218140054.BAF12220087@assei1bl6.telenet-ops.be> In-Reply-To: <20070218140054.BAF12220087@assei1bl6.telenet-ops.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Thanks...yeah I didn't mean to sound insulting but it was starting to look like it was going out of control on that issue :-). The volume control feature is a very 'fine point' but one that came to attention at the beginning so I mentioned it. For those who don't know, the interface I designed for Todd has analog switches and sample/hold cells which can hold volume control voltages for a long time. It allows him to mute/unmute and/or select/deselect any channel. It also displays a lo-res representation (4 LED's) of his current volume on that channel. 4 channels. A single volume pedal then is used to control the volume of all selected channels....whether or not they are muted. And then when you unmute the channel if it's muted, it comes back at the newly selected volume. So for example you can create a track, layer other tracks, the mute the first track, then back only it's volume down, unmute it, and fade it back in. Or whatever your heart desires in that realm. I'd asked Todd if cross fading would be useful but he didn't think it was worth the effort at the time. However I'm hoping to put that into this version also. In that way the performer could for instance lay a base percussion track, then two aux. percussion tracks and then selectively fade between them in real time! Just a hint of some of the things that hopefully will be in this hummer. ANOTHER really nice thing about Todd's rig of course, is that the control i/f is small and remote from all the audio. The cable runs from the jamman units he uses currently go straight into a VCA box, and mix to one audio run to the mixer since he doesn't use anyone to mix live. The new vca box will likely have individual outs for multi-trak recording. -Bob GORDIUS info wrote: >By coincidence I was just doing some tests on this topic right on the moment >your post came in, so I just thought it wouldn't do harm to share some info >on what I was experiencing. Not at all my intention to suggest "you said >something stupid" - on the contrary, wish you all the luck with your >project. > >Xavier > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bob Weigel [mailto:sounddoctorin@imt.net] >Sent: zondag 18 februari 2007 9:28 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... > > > >>If you don't find any advantage in it yet, just ignore it. But don't keep >> >> >bringing it up like I said something stupid because it's not stupid. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 21:52:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EC573BF13; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:52:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D8D8D3.90304@imt.net> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:53:07 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3DF0B5F1-C7DB-4ED6-A8E4-2D5C3A44E1ED@zonemobius.com> <45D77AE3.40305@imt.net> <56A7B2C2-050E-407A-9A66-81217FFADC75@zonemobius.com> <45D82D8B.4080508@tiscali.co.uk> <86A64F29-6C43-4915-9E40-032E7AC96B1C@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <86A64F29-6C43-4915-9E40-032E7AC96B1C@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9fOiIC.A.8TG.PqM2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:52:16 +0000 (UTC) I won't list an actual exhaustive product feature because I just can't. As Jeffrey noted and I fully concur, there is always a narrow market for this kind of thing. And if I do this I can't have someone else using their superior finances to come out with the product before I can and thus leaving me shipwrecked for a bunch of time again. I've got to maintain secrecy for the time about some of the more innovative features I hope to include. Let me just say that there are two other primary thrusts that are far more significantly different than anything I've seen hint of so far in another product. -Bob Per Boysen wrote: > On 18 feb 2007, at 11.42, andy butler wrote: > >>> Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical ambitions >>> are being stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal? >> >> >> hand >> >> >> the transition from 1 to zero in 7-bit volumes is rather sudden, >> I've used feedback for fadeouts as a workaround to this very problem > > > > Yes, I too used a lot of feedback fadeouts with the EDP and the > Repeater. Today when using a laptop armed with Mobius I have also > adapted the third method of home cooked scripts. These works as an > auto-fad and once you kicked the fade pedal you can't speed up or > slow down the fading process. Quite often that is what you want, > since you are busy playing or building parallel loops while the fade > is happening. > > As I said earlier, it would be interesting to see the planned feature > chart for this new looper. What functions will it offer the user? > Come on, please tell us! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 22:11:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BCE83BEF9; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <034001c753a9$c30372b0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3DF0B5F1-C7DB-4ED6-A8E4-2D5C3A44E1ED@zonemobius.com> <45D77AE3.40305@imt.net> <56A7B2C2-050E-407A-9A66-81217FFADC75@zonemobius.com> <45D82D8B.4080508@tiscali.co.uk> <86A64F29-6C43-4915-9E40-032E7AC96B1C@gmail.com> <45D8D8D3.90304@imt.net> Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:11:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Why don't you just work with Jeff as a partner and build a single space box or floor unit that will host Mobius? :) Sort of like Muse Receptor, but streamlined for looping with Mobius. Imagine that. You could create several inputs/outputs and other I/O interfaces that would interface with various software components of Mobius. Think of the homunculus...the little man inside the head of a larger man (robot) controlling the robot. Mobius would be the little man...your product the larger man...or, you the physical body, Mobius the "mind" (Ghost in the Machine). I would work well with the whole Matrix theme. :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 22:25:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEDFD3BEE9; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:25:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: USMqO4oVM1lPIEA8zugOQldVNmUxoMtdcUdkvoPwvEfU1ONRlHrpixQjqA_rirJKIQPYrj178D4Y3nhS34O1qLP0kI46bdIGHrjyKZG3BbXsWxEJgM00AelMRT56wdon5bRHDBYowcydXv4- Message-ID: <45D8D261.40501@infinivert.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:25:37 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3DF0B5F1-C7DB-4ED6-A8E4-2D5C3A44E1ED@zonemobius.com> <45D77AE3.40305@imt.net> <56A7B2C2-050E-407A-9A66-81217FFADC75@zonemobius.com> <45D82D8B.4080508@tiscali.co.uk> <86A64F29-6C43-4915-9E40-032E7AC96B1C@gmail.com> <45D8D8D3.90304@imt.net> <034001c753a9$c30372b0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <034001c753a9$c30372b0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:25:46 +0000 (UTC) That's actually not a bad idea... especially if it could allow Jeff to continue to develop Mobius the same way he does now, allow users to apply software updates simply, and support keyboard and touchpad/mouse commands in addition to MIDI... Oh, and it should natively host VST effects and instruments, have multiple proximity-sensing theramin-style controllers for things like pan, feedback etc., periodically transmit subliminal messages to the audience telling them to leave large tips, zip my pants for me with proper respect and courtesy for the contents thereof, and cost exactly the same amount as Mobius does currently. Hey, a boy can dream... --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote: > Why don't you just work with Jeff as a partner and build a single > space box or floor unit that will host Mobius? :) Sort of like Muse > Receptor, but streamlined for looping with Mobius. Imagine that. You > could create several inputs/outputs and other I/O interfaces that > would interface with various software components of Mobius. > > Think of the homunculus...the little man inside the head of a larger > man (robot) controlling the robot. Mobius would be the little > man...your product the larger man...or, you the physical body, Mobius > the "mind" (Ghost in the Machine). I would work well with the whole > Matrix theme. :) > > Kris > > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 22:27:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D356C3BF13; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jvR0TXDxDQfSNtQP8BokzODm+6nkSSaVRDcGNAI0cNvUUkXUy7mgSJx/xoXN5kRxR2QiUTihwkRoJCdu2n4NtMaDIQS+aMnXcrsi7Lk0n91ZfFfRRRuHwM8MbA+CeeN3hWTretY0yuNKOfpjaXa/IE+UAxj9oCXVqMkEVoDwqJw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: edp loop copy question Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:26:56 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <4MZlIC.A.zsH.6KN2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:27:06 +0000 (UTC) On 18 feb 2007, at 21.24, Sandy Rowles wrote: > I POSTED THIS QUESTION THE OTHER DAY BUT DIDN'T HAVE ANY REPLIES. > THERE MAY NOT BE AN ANSWER BUT I'M GONNA ASK AGAIN JUST IN CASE. > I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THERE IS A WAY TO DO A LOOP COPY OF A > LOOP BESIDES THE ONE YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN. FOR EXAMPLE...COULD I BE > IN LOOP 2 AND GO INTO LOOP 3 WHILE IT IS RESET AND MAKE IT COPY > LOOP 1 INSTEAD OF LOOP 2? I AM OPEN TO ANY INPUT ON THIS EVEN IF IT > IS JUST SAY SAY THAT YOU CAN NOT DO IT. THANKS I do well remember your post, but it was difficult to answer since you did not tell which looping device you were asking about. So I jumped over that post to let someone else answer, thinking I might have missed an earlier post that gave the background. Now that I know you're talking about the EDP I can say that I don't think that machine can do what you are asking for. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 22:38:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91C3E3BEF9; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:30:55 -0500 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance -- Immersions -- Lowell MA 02.24.07 X-Sender: doctort2@incoming.verizon.net To: DrTVideo@egroups.com Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, The first Immersions event of 2007 will occur on Saturday, February 24 at 8:30 PM. at 119 Gallery, 119 Chelmsford St, Lowell 978 452 8138 http://www.119gallery.org/ The ensemble for this performance is Doctor T -- Video Mixing Dean Stiglitz -- Electro Flute Ramona Herboldsheimer - Hammered Dulcimer Bob McCloskey -- Reeds and percussion Suggested donation is $5. Preceding this event will be an artists reception and gallery talk as described below I have;t seen this show yet, but, based on the announcement, it should be quite worthwhile. At 1:17 PM -0500 2/17/07, Mary Ann Kearns wrote: > >"Good Impressions Transformed" >Prints by Vivian Pratt >Jan 23- Mar. 17, 2007; >Reception Saturday February 24th, 5-7pm; *Artists talk, 6 pm. > >Part of "Lowell Celebrates Printmaking" >with the Boston Printmakers Biennial. > >Vivian Pratt has worked with computers for many years, and her >knowledge of technology influences her work as an artist. She is >accomplished in a variety of media including drawing, painting and >sculpture, and frequently uses the computer to modify, print and >combine her images with other media. > >The prints in "Good Impressions Transformed" began with photographs >of dying flowers that were layered and altered on the computer. The >resulting prints transformed the images of decay into something >alive, attesting to abstract the beauty of nature. > >While working on the series Pratt captured different views, and >using the computer to modify them, produced several transformations >of the same object. Unable to choose a single image to best >represent the subject, she made the most of her ability to use the >computer to create multiple similar but different images. > >"The computer, unlike any other artistic medium has opened up a >world of opportunity for the manipulation of the image. This allows >me to not only transform the object into something alive, but to >create several transformations of the image that play against each >other, building a richness that is impossible in a single image." > >In keeping with the multi-media sensibilities of both the artist and >the gallery, two videos are included in the show. Using her own body >as the original canvas, Pratt projected the video onto herself, >captured this video and modified it on the computer. In so doing, she >created an abstract dance that draws parallels between nature and >her own life. > >Vivian Pratt has an MFA from Massachusetts College of Art with a >concentration in the Studio for Interrelated Media and is a >Post-Baccalaureate graduate of the School of the Museum of Fine >Arts, Boston, MA. -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 23:06:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CAE23BF13; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:06:10 -0600 From: "Sandy Rowles" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp loop copy question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27286_31850797.1171839970541" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:06:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27286_31850797.1171839970541 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline THANKS FOR THE REPLY PER. I DIDNT THINK I COULD DO THAT BUT WANTED TO BE SURE BEFORE I DISMISSED THE POSSIBILITY. ALSO WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT I LISTENED TO YOUR MUSIC ON MYSPACE TODAY AND THOUGHT THAT IT WAS VERY GOOD AND VERY DIFFERENT FROM ANY THAT I HAVE HEARD. IF ANYONE ELSE HASN'T HEARD IT THEY SHOULD. On 2/18/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 18 feb 2007, at 21.24, Sandy Rowles wrote: > > > I POSTED THIS QUESTION THE OTHER DAY BUT DIDN'T HAVE ANY REPLIES. > > THERE MAY NOT BE AN ANSWER BUT I'M GONNA ASK AGAIN JUST IN CASE. > > I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THERE IS A WAY TO DO A LOOP COPY OF A > > LOOP BESIDES THE ONE YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN. FOR EXAMPLE...COULD I BE > > IN LOOP 2 AND GO INTO LOOP 3 WHILE IT IS RESET AND MAKE IT COPY > > LOOP 1 INSTEAD OF LOOP 2? I AM OPEN TO ANY INPUT ON THIS EVEN IF IT > > IS JUST SAY SAY THAT YOU CAN NOT DO IT. THANKS > > > I do well remember your post, but it was difficult to answer since > you did not tell which looping device you were asking about. So I > jumped over that post to let someone else answer, thinking I might > have missed an earlier post that gave the background. Now that I know > you're talking about the EDP I can say that I don't think that > machine can do what you are asking for. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > > ------=_Part_27286_31850797.1171839970541 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline THANKS FOR THE REPLY PER. I DIDNT THINK I COULD DO THAT BUT WANTED TO BE SURE BEFORE I DISMISSED THE POSSIBILITY. ALSO WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT I LISTENED TO YOUR MUSIC ON MYSPACE TODAY AND THOUGHT THAT IT WAS VERY GOOD AND VERY DIFFERENT FROM ANY THAT I HAVE HEARD. IF ANYONE ELSE HASN'T HEARD IT THEY SHOULD. < http://www.myspace.com/looproom>

On 2/18/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com > wrote:
On 18 feb 2007, at 21.24, Sandy Rowles wrote:

> I POSTED THIS QUESTION THE OTHER DAY BUT DIDN'T HAVE ANY REPLIES.
> THERE MAY NOT BE AN ANSWER BUT I'M GONNA ASK AGAIN JUST IN CASE.
> I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THERE IS A WAY TO  DO A LOOP COPY OF A
> LOOP BESIDES THE ONE YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN. FOR EXAMPLE...COULD I BE
> IN LOOP 2 AND GO INTO LOOP 3 WHILE IT IS RESET AND MAKE IT COPY
> LOOP 1 INSTEAD OF LOOP 2? I AM OPEN TO ANY INPUT ON THIS EVEN IF IT
> IS JUST SAY SAY THAT YOU CAN NOT DO IT. THANKS


I do well remember your post, but it was difficult to answer since
you did not tell which looping device you were asking about. So I
jumped over that post to let someone else answer, thinking I might
have missed an earlier post that gave the background. Now that I know
you're talking about the EDP I can say that I don't think that
machine can do what you are asking for.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release)



------=_Part_27286_31850797.1171839970541-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 23:17:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 919FA3BF23; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CADtt2EXUSnInk2dsb2JhbACPFwEBBw4HBR57kH4BAQGBOg Message-ID: <45D8DE6C.5080003@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:17:00 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp loop copy question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_2ZdzB.A.JqB.s5N2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On 18 feb 2007, at 21.24, Sandy Rowles wrote: > >> I POSTED THIS QUESTION THE OTHER DAY BUT DIDN'T HAVE ANY REPLIES. >> THERE MAY NOT BE AN ANSWER BUT I'M GONNA ASK AGAIN JUST IN CASE. I'M >> TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THERE IS A WAY TO DO A LOOP COPY OF A LOOP >> BESIDES THE ONE YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN. FOR EXAMPLE...COULD I BE IN LOOP >> 2 AND GO INTO LOOP 3 WHILE IT IS RESET AND MAKE IT COPY LOOP 1 INSTEAD >> OF LOOP 2? I AM OPEN TO ANY INPUT ON THIS EVEN IF IT IS JUST SAY SAY >> THAT YOU CAN NOT DO IT. THANKS > > > I do well remember your post, but it was difficult to answer since you > did not tell which looping device you were asking about. So I jumped Might be possible with a string of midi commands to do fast button pushing for you. From loop2 Goto Loop1 (but not long enough to hear it) then copy to loop3 right away. You wouldn't be able to cue it up in advance, you'd have to just press the button in exactly the right place (with SWITCHQUANT=OFF, or CNF depending on how you wanted to make the copy. ) might work. andybutler (previously intimidated by the big block of Capitals) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 23:30:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2C443BF1C; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:30:17 -0600 From: "Sandy Rowles" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp loop copy question In-Reply-To: <45D8DE6C.5080003@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27566_13316473.1171841417265" References: <45D8DE6C.5080003@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:30:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27566_13316473.1171841417265 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline SOUNDS LIKE THE RIGHT IDEA, BUT I AM USING AN FCB1010 WHICH DOESN'T ALLOW 2 MIDI NOTE COMMANDS ON ONE SWITCH, SO I DON'T THINK I COULD DO THAT LIVE. AT LEAST NOT WITH THE CONTROLLER I AM USING. THANKS FOR THE ADVICE THOUGH. On 2/18/07, andy butler wrote: > > > > Per Boysen wrote: > > On 18 feb 2007, at 21.24, Sandy Rowles wrote: > > > >> I POSTED THIS QUESTION THE OTHER DAY BUT DIDN'T HAVE ANY REPLIES. > >> THERE MAY NOT BE AN ANSWER BUT I'M GONNA ASK AGAIN JUST IN CASE. I'M > >> TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THERE IS A WAY TO DO A LOOP COPY OF A LOOP > >> BESIDES THE ONE YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN. FOR EXAMPLE...COULD I BE IN LOOP > >> 2 AND GO INTO LOOP 3 WHILE IT IS RESET AND MAKE IT COPY LOOP 1 INSTEAD > >> OF LOOP 2? I AM OPEN TO ANY INPUT ON THIS EVEN IF IT IS JUST SAY SAY > >> THAT YOU CAN NOT DO IT. THANKS > > > > > > I do well remember your post, but it was difficult to answer since you > > did not tell which looping device you were asking about. So I jumped > > Might be possible with a string of midi commands to do fast button > pushing for you. > > From loop2 > Goto Loop1 (but not long enough to hear it) > then copy to loop3 right away. > > You wouldn't be able to cue it up in advance, you'd have to just press > the button in exactly the right place > (with SWITCHQUANT=OFF, or CNF depending on how you wanted to make the > copy. ) > > might work. > > > > andybutler > (previously intimidated by the big block of Capitals) > > ------=_Part_27566_13316473.1171841417265 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline SOUNDS LIKE THE RIGHT IDEA, BUT I AM USING AN FCB1010 WHICH DOESN'T ALLOW 2 MIDI NOTE COMMANDS ON ONE SWITCH, SO I DON'T THINK I COULD DO THAT LIVE. AT LEAST NOT WITH THE CONTROLLER I AM USING. THANKS FOR THE ADVICE THOUGH.

On 2/18/07, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Per Boysen wrote:
> On 18 feb 2007, at 21.24, Sandy Rowles wrote:
>
>> I POSTED THIS QUESTION THE OTHER DAY BUT DIDN'T HAVE ANY REPLIES.
>> THERE MAY NOT BE AN ANSWER BUT I'M GONNA ASK AGAIN JUST IN CASE. I'M
>> TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THERE IS A WAY TO  DO A LOOP COPY OF A LOOP
>> BESIDES THE ONE YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN. FOR EXAMPLE...COULD I BE IN LOOP
>> 2 AND GO INTO LOOP 3 WHILE IT IS RESET AND MAKE IT COPY LOOP 1 INSTEAD
>> OF LOOP 2? I AM OPEN TO ANY INPUT ON THIS EVEN IF IT IS JUST SAY SAY
>> THAT YOU CAN NOT DO IT. THANKS
>
>
> I do well remember your post, but it was difficult to answer since you
> did not tell which looping device you were asking about. So I jumped

Might be possible with a string of midi commands to do fast button
pushing for you.

From loop2
  Goto Loop1 (but not long enough to hear it)
then copy to loop3 right away.

You wouldn't be able to cue it up in advance, you'd have to just press
the button in exactly the right place
(with SWITCHQUANT=OFF, or CNF depending on how you wanted to make the
copy. )

might work.



andybutler
(previously intimidated by the big block of Capitals)


------=_Part_27566_13316473.1171841417265-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 00:10:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDBF33BF15; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 00:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DN7nZA10LlHeTDCXpXyOJo4793lkz+Md7UscrcMZpmSssyxUhvbuJQqkVKGBe7tnv3Y63rK+FvdrqnVg0Yp2G28qpmkl9Iv/5kFLCzXwsLEzeWv8+BCJX6/vKETwhuoGOBNcPkcCAzM+g5k0/hy1Rv/Cg2D1CH+Vjv3dhu3BdNw= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:10:07 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp loop copy question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25497_22315159.1171843807203" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 00:10:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_25497_22315159.1171843807203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline To the best of my knowledge, it can't be done with an EDP. Loopcopy works in realtime using the currently playing loop as the source material. TravisH On 2/18/07, Sandy Rowles wrote: > > I POSTED THIS QUESTION THE OTHER DAY BUT DIDN'T HAVE ANY REPLIES. THERE > MAY NOT BE AN ANSWER BUT I'M GONNA ASK AGAIN JUST IN CASE. I'M TRYING TO > FIND OUT IF THERE IS A WAY TO DO A LOOP COPY OF A LOOP BESIDES THE ONE YOU > ARE CURRENTLY IN. FOR EXAMPLE...COULD I BE IN LOOP 2 AND GO INTO LOOP 3 > WHILE IT IS RESET AND MAKE IT COPY LOOP 1 INSTEAD OF LOOP 2? I AM OPEN TO > ANY INPUT ON THIS EVEN IF IT IS JUST SAY SAY THAT YOU CAN NOT DO IT. THANKS > ------=_Part_25497_22315159.1171843807203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline To the best of my knowledge, it can't be done with an EDP.  Loopcopy works in realtime using the currently playing loop as the source material.

TravisH

On 2/18/07, Sandy Rowles <sandy@pajiba.com> wrote:
I POSTED THIS QUESTION THE OTHER DAY BUT DIDN'T HAVE ANY REPLIES. THERE MAY NOT BE AN ANSWER BUT I'M GONNA ASK AGAIN JUST IN CASE. I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THERE IS A WAY TO  DO A LOOP COPY OF A LOOP BESIDES THE ONE YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN. FOR EXAMPLE...COULD I BE IN LOOP 2 AND GO INTO LOOP 3 WHILE IT IS RESET AND MAKE IT COPY LOOP 1 INSTEAD OF LOOP 2? I AM OPEN TO ANY INPUT ON THIS EVEN IF IT IS JUST SAY SAY THAT YOU CAN NOT DO IT. THANKS

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 01:00:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 112423BF11; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 01:00:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:00:23 -0500 From: Domenick Swentosky Subject: Re: RC-50 Feedback Issue -- Software Fix? In-reply-to: <000201c75344$ec364690$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45D8F6A7.3080103@greytime.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000714-3, 02/18/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: <000201c75344$ec364690$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 01:00:29 +0000 (UTC) Like I said, I know about the work around. That's not the question. I asked if Boss can address the lack of feedback control in a future software upgrade, or would they have to issue a new unit? Thanks. Enjoy the day. Domenick Sjaak wrote: >Hi, >The RC-50 doesn't have 0-100% feedback control like on delay units. >Workaround: you can send the output of a loop (phrase) to the sub-outs. If >you link these with a cable to the aux-in (also stereo) then you have the >ability to control feedback with the aux input level knob. > >Example setup >------------- >Phrase 1 => output=SUB, set aux knob to 1/4, overdub mode=replace >Phrase 2 => output=MAIN >Phrase 3 => output=MAIN > >However, the aux-in level can't be controlled with an expression pedal. A >workaround for this could be to insert a stereo volume control pedal like >the Boss FV-50. Despite of these missing features, I can say the FC-50 is a >very good and reliable looper for it's price. > >Sjaak > >-----Original Message----- >From: Domenick Swentosky [mailto:domenick@greytime.com] >Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:04 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RC-50 Feedback Issue -- Software Fix? > > >I have one more question about the RC-50 if I may. > >I'm reading through the archives about the lack of feedback control on >the RC-50 being a big drawback, and I've read through Buzap's solution >to the problem. > >I am wondering if this is something that Boss can address in a future >software upgrade, or would they have to issue a new unit? I obviously >have no expertise in this realm, but it seems that many of you do. > >Thanks for you time. > >Enjoy the day. >Domenick > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 01:15:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91CB43BF1D; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 01:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004601c753c3$6d4735e0$5979b251@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: Subject: Re: edp loop copy question Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 01:15:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01C753C3.6C056710" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 01:15:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C753C3.6C056710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=20 Please don't SHOUT we listen so no need to SHOUT Dan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sandy Rowles=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:06 PM Subject: Re: edp loop copy question THANKS FOR THE REPLY PER. I DIDNT THINK I COULD DO THAT BUT WANTED TO = BE SURE BEFORE I DISMISSED THE POSSIBILITY. ALSO WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT = I LISTENED TO YOUR MUSIC ON MYSPACE TODAY AND THOUGHT THAT IT WAS VERY = GOOD AND VERY DIFFERENT FROM ANY THAT I HAVE HEARD. IF ANYONE ELSE = HASN'T HEARD IT THEY SHOULD. < http://www.myspace.com/looproom>=20 On 2/18/07, Per Boysen wrote: On 18 feb 2007, at 21.24, Sandy Rowles wrote: > I POSTED THIS QUESTION THE OTHER DAY BUT DIDN'T HAVE ANY REPLIES.=20 > THERE MAY NOT BE AN ANSWER BUT I'M GONNA ASK AGAIN JUST IN CASE. > I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THERE IS A WAY TO DO A LOOP COPY OF A > LOOP BESIDES THE ONE YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN. FOR EXAMPLE...COULD I = BE=20 > IN LOOP 2 AND GO INTO LOOP 3 WHILE IT IS RESET AND MAKE IT COPY > LOOP 1 INSTEAD OF LOOP 2? I AM OPEN TO ANY INPUT ON THIS EVEN IF = IT > IS JUST SAY SAY THAT YOU CAN NOT DO IT. THANKS I do well remember your post, but it was difficult to answer since=20 you did not tell which looping device you were asking about. So I jumped over that post to let someone else answer, thinking I might have missed an earlier post that gave the background. Now that I = know you're talking about the EDP I can say that I don't think that=20 machine can do what you are asking for. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international)=20 http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C753C3.6C056710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi
 
Please don't SHOUT we listen so no need = to=20 SHOUT
 
Dan
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sandy = Rowles=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 = 11:06=20 PM
Subject: Re: edp loop copy = question

THANKS FOR THE REPLY PER. I DIDNT THINK I COULD DO THAT = BUT=20 WANTED TO BE SURE BEFORE I DISMISSED THE POSSIBILITY. ALSO WANTED YOU = TO KNOW=20 THAT I LISTENED TO YOUR MUSIC ON MYSPACE TODAY AND THOUGHT THAT IT WAS = VERY=20 GOOD AND VERY DIFFERENT FROM ANY THAT I HAVE HEARD. IF ANYONE ELSE = HASN'T=20 HEARD IT THEY SHOULD. < http://www.myspace.com/looproom<= /A>>=20

On 2/18/07, Per=20 Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com=20 > wrote:
On=20 18 feb 2007, at 21.24, Sandy Rowles wrote:

> I POSTED THIS = QUESTION THE OTHER DAY BUT DIDN'T HAVE ANY REPLIES.
> THERE = MAY NOT=20 BE AN ANSWER BUT I'M GONNA ASK AGAIN JUST IN CASE.
> I'M = TRYING TO=20 FIND OUT IF THERE IS A WAY TO  DO A LOOP COPY OF A
> = LOOP=20 BESIDES THE ONE YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN. FOR EXAMPLE...COULD I BE =
> IN=20 LOOP 2 AND GO INTO LOOP 3 WHILE IT IS RESET AND MAKE IT COPY
> = LOOP 1=20 INSTEAD OF LOOP 2? I AM OPEN TO ANY INPUT ON THIS EVEN IF IT
> = IS JUST=20 SAY SAY THAT YOU CAN NOT DO IT. THANKS


I do well remember = your=20 post, but it was difficult to answer since
you did not tell = which=20 looping device you were asking about. So I
jumped over that post = to let=20 someone else answer, thinking I might
have missed an earlier post = that=20 gave the background. Now that I know
you're talking about the EDP = I can=20 say that I don't think that
machine can do what you are asking=20 for.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com = (international)
http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h = (latest music=20 = release)



------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C753C3.6C056710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 01:50:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BCA43BF15; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 01:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <022401c753c8$4b2307a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: loopers digest frequency query Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:50:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 01:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Today I recieved five different loopers delight daily digests, four of them with just two or three posts in them. I was under the impression that this was a daily digest. Why do we get long single ones and then some days of multiple lists with very few posts? I'm not bent out of shape, just curious. with respect, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 04:12:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 084EF3BF15; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 04:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=hqWPHb4xIHz1vL2LVyouG+jj46g5rhUFlvZUJcG4Wk2ufa1Ciqmo1v3hRLFwYdyvAOp6wrxFFc+1rFK+4qUIMm+JlyjlvULZu9lFrMH35EYL2rqRsZZufogNHJtpg0CFMqrHpesdhpa7moWJnKCP4lKwfmvjejQFKLCQxJYcdvs=; X-YMail-OSG: vecpilQVM1lEA2pGL3AAZnTbwHlJGs88.VPUT9F7XkNO5s7bWnMSVFKG7iPV8DDwJppZ4t1AMPA.AMTJ5mD.UljhIFcIhskuesNqlmsSwa.YQU9aGBNfA5yLF7zqN89r800fYyBM0KEEWLc- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/368.8 YahooMailWebService/0.6.132.8 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:12:04 -0800 (PST) From: x031661-loopers@yahoo.com Subject: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <800333.41347.qm@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 04:12:05 +0000 (UTC) I've been reading about loopers for the last few days and it seems like, as= with anything new, you don't really know what you want from reading about = it. I had to buy one, now I have a better idea what I want and I'm wonderi= ng if someone can tell me if I can actually get this from what I have, or w= hat I should have bought.=0A=0AI have a digitech JamMan.=0A=0AI find it pre= tty easy to create loops with my guitar. I like the Auto Record. I find i= t easier not to use a pre-set tempo. I like that I can overdub on a loop. = I like Undo. I like that there's 99 loops possible. I like that I can in= crease the memory. I like that, during playback, you can change loops and = it waits until the end of the current loop to switch.=0A=0AA lot of these f= eatures might be normal for any looper - I don't know.=0A=0AIt seems to hav= e a big deficiency for live use though in that I can't save a loop while th= e loop is playing.=0A=0AWhat I want to be able to do is to record a loop, s= ay a verse. Let it loop as long as I need. When the chorus comes I want t= o step to the next loop, which would be empty and record the chorus, let it= loop as needed and then switch back to the verse and let it start looping = the verse again. Maybe I'd add an overdub or something, then switch to the= chorus - come back to the verse etc.=0A=0AThe problem is, if I record the = verse loop and then switch to the next loop number I lose the verse - becau= se I didn't save it. If I want to save it I must first stop it from playin= g, which is not appropriate live.=0A=0AIs that a problem with most loopers?= I was also considering the Boss RC-20 or, if I must spend that much an R= C-50. =0A=0AOr maybe there's someway to get the JamMan to do what I want?= =0A=0AAny ideas or suggestions?=0A=0ADave=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 04:31:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 164F63BF14; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 04:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mimeole:message-id; b=p19vqcn/NKLHJvsZ3KOsaIQ4Gsx429B6wf8mX8BpufQ1hrRT3SZSMEHCsrSQotrwALaJLxJk7mE9dznbQ4lh1t1TSyEx+MHdfxtXuC2jp6G1/1VOYFLaYg6vM0wGyY+iGScnDAXpFJrSXBp8zeqfREVThnz3+gatl0cYspzzPr8= From: "Raul Bonell" To: Subject: Job offer (no spam!) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 05:30:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.1432.1 Message-ID: <45d92804.0285dd15.4082.33cc@mx.google.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5CoZKB.A.l0D.GgS2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 04:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Hi there! I've thought it would be nice to have a seminar/masterclass on looping for the summer courses of the music school where i'm teaching. I hope my rude english does not make this letter impossible to understand. Some things about: * The place: Muro/Beniarrés (Alacant/Spain). * Mailing about the courses goes to Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia ... * I was thinking of a 3/4 days course, in July, you choose the exact dates, that may end with a concert in a small venue (this is certinly possible). * The event is held if the number of appliances can cover the teachers' flight, accomodation, food and payment. If not I'll contact you as soon as possible to free your time. Anyhow, the flight ticket will be covered by us if the course is not going to happen. * Of course, anybody can come to the course. I let you know which are the prices in two weeks, aprox. O.k., if interested, send me your proposals, ideas, or whatever and we can continue in private mailing arranging such a thing. Sorry but we are in a hurry... Just 9 days left! Raul. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 04:53:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5088C3BF24; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 04:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:53:45 -0600 From: "Sandy Rowles" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem In-Reply-To: <800333.41347.qm@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29567_5416752.1171860825716" References: <800333.41347.qm@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 04:53:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_29567_5416752.1171860825716 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dave, I have had a Boss rc-20xl ( very similar to Digitech Jamman) and a Lexicon Jamman. Both were fun to play with but I have since gotten an Echoplex Digital Pro (edp) and find that it suits me much better than any of the others I have had. I guess it really depends on what you want to do, but as far as making multiple separate loops without having to stop, and being able to switch between them seamlessly, the EDP is great. It isn't very cheap but it is my favorite and has been the most applicable in a live situation in my opinion. On 2/18/07, x031661-loopers@yahoo.com wrote: > > I've been reading about loopers for the last few days and it seems like, > as with anything new, you don't really know what you want from reading about > it. I had to buy one, now I have a better idea what I want and I'm > wondering if someone can tell me if I can actually get this from what I > have, or what I should have bought. > > I have a digitech JamMan. > > I find it pretty easy to create loops with my guitar. I like the Auto > Record. I find it easier not to use a pre-set tempo. I like that I can > overdub on a loop. I like Undo. I like that there's 99 loops possible. I > like that I can increase the memory. I like that, during playback, you can > change loops and it waits until the end of the current loop to switch. > > A lot of these features might be normal for any looper - I don't know. > > It seems to have a big deficiency for live use though in that I can't save > a loop while the loop is playing. > > What I want to be able to do is to record a loop, say a verse. Let it > loop as long as I need. When the chorus comes I want to step to the next > loop, which would be empty and record the chorus, let it loop as needed and > then switch back to the verse and let it start looping the verse > again. Maybe I'd add an overdub or something, then switch to the chorus - > come back to the verse etc. > > The problem is, if I record the verse loop and then switch to the next > loop number I lose the verse - because I didn't save it. If I want to save > it I must first stop it from playing, which is not appropriate live. > > Is that a problem with most loopers? I was also considering the Boss > RC-20 or, if I must spend that much an RC-50. > > Or maybe there's someway to get the JamMan to do what I want? > > Any ideas or suggestions? > > Dave > > > > > > > ------=_Part_29567_5416752.1171860825716 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dave, I have had a Boss rc-20xl ( very similar to Digitech Jamman) and a Lexicon Jamman. Both were fun to play with but I have since gotten an Echoplex Digital Pro (edp) and find that it suits me much better than any of the others I have had. I guess it really depends on what you want to do, but as far as making multiple separate loops without having to stop, and being able to switch between them seamlessly, the EDP is great. It isn't very cheap but it is my favorite and has been the most applicable in a live situation in my opinion.

On 2/18/07, x031661-loopers@yahoo.com <x031661-loopers@yahoo.com > wrote:
I've been reading about loopers for the last few days and it seems like, as with anything new, you don't really know what you want from reading about it.  I had to buy one, now I have a better idea what I want and I'm wondering if someone can tell me if I can actually get this from what I have, or what I should have bought.

I have a digitech JamMan.

I find it pretty easy to create loops with my guitar.  I like the Auto Record.  I find it easier not to use a pre-set tempo.  I like that I can overdub on a loop.  I like Undo.  I like that there's 99 loops possible.  I like that I can increase the memory.  I like that, during playback, you can change loops and it waits until the end of the current loop to switch.

A lot of these features might be normal for any looper - I don't know.

It seems to have a big deficiency for live use though in that I can't save a loop while the loop is playing.

What I want to be able to do is to record a loop, say a verse.  Let it loop as long as I need.  When the chorus comes I want to step to the next loop, which would be empty and record the chorus, let it loop as needed and then switch back to the verse and let it start looping the verse again.  Maybe I'd add an overdub or something, then switch to the chorus - come back to the verse etc.

The problem is, if I record the verse loop and then switch to the next loop number I lose the verse - because I didn't save it.  If I want to save it I must first stop it from playing, which is not appropriate live.

Is that a problem with most loopers?  I was also considering the Boss RC-20  or, if I must spend that much an RC-50.

Or maybe there's someway to get the JamMan to do what I want?

Any ideas or suggestions?

Dave







------=_Part_29567_5416752.1171860825716-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 05:38:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BF593BF23; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 05:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D9461A.5060804@imt.net> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:39:22 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <45D638DF.9060602@imt.net> <913728d60702171018l27d232b7wc33c028671c1f4c8@mail.gmail.com> <064601c752c0$f10c6bb0$54c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D7627D.2020902@imt.net> <45D82BA5.1030706@tiscali.co.uk> <45D8CEA0.5000505@imt.net> <45D8C717.40703@infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <45D8C717.40703@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 05:38:32 +0000 (UTC) I haven't gotten much into software based anything yet except recording but I've heard that Mobius is a great piece. And it certainly might be good to collaborate there. I'll look at the link provided and try to familiarize myself more. -Bob >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 06:25:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AE083BF13; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 06:25:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: 02.27.07 @ the PiNG > Aidan Baker + Building Castles Out Of Matchsticks + Greater Explosives Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 01:24:59 -0500 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000101c753ee$ae7ba890$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 06:25:03 +0000 (UTC) COMiNG SOON TO THE PiNG . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 02.27.07 . The PiNG Presents UNDER SEE RECORDINGS' CD RELEASE of the compilation CITIES BENEATH THE SEE Featuring performances by AIDAN BAKER + BUILDING CASTLES OUT OF MATCHSTICKS + GREATER EXPLOSIVES + sensehertz + GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS @ the UNDERGROUND downstairs @ the DRAKE HOTEL 1150 Queen St. W @ Beaconsfield . W of Ossington . E of Dufferin Tuesday February 27th . 8PM . PWYC (5$ suggested) . This month the PiNG celebrates the release of the Under See Recordings' compilation CD - "Cities Beneath The See" by welcoming back PiNG favourites Aidan Baker and Anne Sukowski's Building Castles Out of Matchsticks along with PiNG newcomer Damian Valles aka Greater Explosives, all of whom have tracks featured on the CD. Around sets, sensehertz will be spinning tracks by artists from Under See Recordings, Worthy Records, Arcolepsy and Music Made By People. Psychedelic eye candy projections will be courtesy of our good friends from General Chaos Visuals. 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Should be a great visual show as Chaos will be bringing out their big light guns and doing some rear projections too. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic, soundscape, chillout, trip hop, dream pop, downtempo, space, darkwave, drone and experimental artists from around the world. http://www.theambientping.com Tune in anytime to AMBiENT PING RADiO at http://www.ambientpingradio.com ViSiT ping things for ambient, electronic and chill things: http://www.pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 08:39:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E51713BF1F; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004301c75401$8dc818f0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <45d92804.0285dd15.4082.33cc@mx.google.com> Subject: Re: Job offer (no spam!) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:40:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 X-Provags-ID2: V01U2FsdGVkX18FH1xRPtDEj6yQSEccGu89rz3XJz2sWaOdbnnRIEDmG1l2Mwfs6GTXNCbwTogubTXYKZoZgZ50qOiqHlu0yhy1+Jevcs3yA+gk8k4pMiYpEy/TMzOOAOx/ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:39:45 +0000 (UTC) hola raul como estas! puedo communicarme en español pero no es suficiente para escribir un email... i am berlin based flautist and saxophonist tilmann dehnhard. it would be lovely to do a workshop in spain! and i am free in july. flying to spain from berlin is pretty cheap, so that could help you with your calculation. i have a lot of teaching experience, i held a professorship in bogota colombia and i do a lot of workshops for windplayers, also for classical musicians who want to improvise. i could bring the following loopers for demonstration: gipson echoplex repeater electro harmonix 2880 line 6 dl4 boss rc-2 please check out my website: www.dehnhard.com here you can find some videos with me looping: PAD 5 PROSPEKT MIRA WAKE UP! FLIGHT DELAYED ALL FULL OF AIR or www.myspace.com/tilmanndehnhard all the best, hasta luego, tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul Bonell" To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 5:30 AM Subject: Job offer (no spam!) > Hi there! > > I've thought it would be nice to have a seminar/masterclass on looping for the summer courses of the music school where i'm teaching. > > I hope my rude english does not make this letter impossible to understand. > > Some things about: > * The place: Muro/Beniarrés (Alacant/Spain). > * Mailing about the courses goes to Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia ... > * I was thinking of a 3/4 days course, in July, you choose the exact dates, that may end with a concert in a small venue (this is certinly possible). > * The event is held if the number of appliances can cover the teachers' flight, accomodation, food and payment. If not I'll contact you as soon as possible to free your time. Anyhow, the flight ticket will be covered by us if the course is not going to happen. > * Of course, anybody can come to the course. I let you know which are the prices in two weeks, aprox. > > O.k., if interested, send me your proposals, ideas, or whatever and we can continue in private mailing arranging such a thing. Sorry but we are in a hurry... Just 9 days left! > > Raul. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 12:24:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09D213BF1A; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAMIl2UXUSnIvk2dsb2JhbACPGgEBBw4HBR6SLwEBAYE6 Message-ID: <45D9950B.7070807@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:16:11 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 Feedback Issue -- Software Fix? References: <000201c75344$ec364690$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> <45D8F6A7.3080103@greytime.com> In-Reply-To: <45D8F6A7.3080103@greytime.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Domenick Swentosky wrote: > Like I said, I know about the work around. That's not the question. I > asked if Boss can address the lack of feedback control in a future > software upgrade, or would they have to issue a new unit? > > Thanks. > > Enjoy the day. > Domenick Well they could do it in software ,but that would perhaps mean they spent less energy on their promotional videos. 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Copyright © 2007 - Capital One Bank From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 12:38:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04AB83BF15; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:38:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAADMp2UXUSnIvk2dsb2JhbACPGgEBBw4HBR6SIgEBAYE6 Message-ID: <45D99891.3010008@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:31:13 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loopers digest frequency query References: <022401c753c8$4b2307a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <022401c753c8$4b2307a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:38:31 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rick, afaik There's a maximum size in Bytes for a digest, based on everyone posting in plain text to the list. So when someone sends a post in HTML, it's possible that the max size gets exceeded rather quickly. Some email programs give you the opportunity to say you want to post in plain text, but mostly they default to HTML. There's also the webmail sites,( like Yahoo? ) which like to add masses of advertising for their services to every mail. So it's a product of the software that runs the list, combined with the fact that contributors are often being led (unknowingly) to confound the system by the email system that they use. Best way is to set your email client to put LD posts into a separate folder, then it's even no problem to get the individual posts, as it's all tidied away. This helps to preserve threading for the archive when you make your replies. Hope this clears it up for you. cheers andy butler RICK WALKER wrote: > Today I recieved five different loopers delight daily digests, four of > them with just two or three posts in them. > > I was under the impression that this was a daily digest. > > Why do we get long single ones and then some days of multiple lists with > very few posts? > > I'm not bent out of shape, just curious. > > with respect, Rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 12:42:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FFDF3BF1E; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:42:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:42:10 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Anyone from Belgium or The Netherlands? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 131.174.104.128 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:42:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi, my interest goes to programming sounds with synthesizers and using th= ese in music (hobby only). I use loopers since 2 years now and I must adm= it, I don=92t use a lot of sequences anymore; it=92s a lot more fun to us= e real-time loops. The sonic capabilities are endless and the result alwa= ys a surprise :) I also use my loop devices live but I have never performed solo using loo= p devices only. I=92m interested in how the concept works on stage, how t= o prepare the music, and what it takes to prepare a performance with othe= r musicians. I can imagine it=92s a little more complicated compared to a= regular band due it's it? Btw: are there any loopers from Belgium or The Netherlands on the list? Sjaak=0A---=0AScarlet One Unlimited=0AFree national calls, surf up to 6 M= bit/s, 50 GB download volume=0AFor only EUR 49,95 per month. No Belgacom = subscription needed. All in!=0Ahttp://www.scarlet.be From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 13:13:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C95E3BF1F; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:13:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:13:08 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <20070217174937.oesuh9zakgcsosos@69.89.21.76> Message-ID: <20070219131308.252560@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <45D75A04.9010805@greytime.com> <45D78AB4.8060604@greytime.com> <20070217174937.oesuh9zakgcsosos@69.89.21.76> Subject: Re: More RC-50 Patch Selection To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/5X8Qnk2j5Jyqdfgtvwn/+gA+T7SveA+YobAbKBO AoiR4hxe6Sgi6NsIDgy+94RBU= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:13:10 +0000 (UTC) Great answer Kevin :-) One more thing: When you switch to next/previous PATCH via footpedal (internal or external), than the new PATCH starts playing directly. You can even influence which of the three PHRASES will be played when you switch to the next PATCH. However, there is (was??) one huge drawback: There is a little gap between switching to next PATCH. For my purposes this renders the function practically useless. But I haven't yet performed the new Update. There is a slight chance that it might transition between PATCHES without a gap... Best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" - 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX ProMail testen: www.gmx.net/de/go/mailfooter/promail-out From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 14:28:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A17173BF20; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:28:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:25:58 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #516 for February 15, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <45D9B376.1050001@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:28:23 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/070215.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #516 February 15, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Max Corbacho. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Moontribe" on ad21 Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "histoire d'O" by Pierre Bachelet on CAM Records and released in 1975. Max Corbacho: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#feb PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Pierre Bachelet O' ET L'AMOUR A histoire d'O (CAM) TROIS Joint Intelligence Newquay Nightmare Excession (Bogus Focus) Committee Mark Jenkins At War With Zagon & This Island Earth (Ricochet Metaluna Devastated Dream/AMP) usr/sbin In Finite Vernality (none) Maneki Neko Miroku Auracle (Stray Pointer) VA [Stephen Parsick] Electromagnetic Analogy Volume 2 (Groove) VA [Create] Reaching Out Analogy Volume 2 (Groove) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Max Corbacho Subtribe Moontribe (ad21) Max Corbacho Out of Nothing Moontribe (ad21) Max Corbacho Distant Dwellings Moontribe (ad21) Max Corbacho Unknown Radiance Moontribe (ad21) Max Corbacho Across the Spectrum Moontribe (ad21) Max Corbacho Moontribe Moontribe (ad21) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist % = excerpt NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Max Corbacho. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Talisman" on ad21 Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Soul of the Machine" by various artists on Windham Hill Records and released in 1987. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 14:33:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E6F63BF14; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Fwd: new boomerang Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 07:33:02 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Begin forwarded message: >> Currently it looks like we are on schedule to delivery the >> Chorus/Delay pedal in early to mid April and the Rang(TM) III looper >> in mid May. Here's a blurb describing what's up in Boomerang land. >> >> We will be releasing a new looper, the Rang(TM) III, AND a stereo >> chorus/delay pedal in the spring of 2007. >> The effects pedal has 11 presets and an expression pedal jack for >> real time control of parameters. >> The looper will have true stereo recording, vastly improved audio >> specs, long record time, 6 loops, multi level undo/redo, multiple >> loops >> can play synched or unsynched, and a slew of "utility" features such >> as >> auto fade out, metronome, etc. >> We will insure that the pedal is easy to operate and as intuitive as >> the current one, but it will be deeper if you want to explore the new >> functions. >> It will be about half the size of the Rang(TM) Plus which lists for >> $599. Right now it looks like the list price will be about $539. There >> will be no MIDI or USB connectivity, and no permanent storage of >> loops. >> >> Boomerang(R) Chorus-Delay Pedal >> This is the first in a family of great sounding effect pedals from >> BMP. Each pedal will have 2 different effects, be true stereo and >> have a >> hard wired bypass. There are 11 preset locations for storing your own >> sounds. >> Connect an expression pedal and you can control overall effect(s) >> level or morph between two different sounds. >> The delay effect will have a tap tempo foot button and three >> different modes including tape delay simulation and reverse delay. >> All the pedals in this family will be linkable to form a complete >> effects system. Press store or recall on any one pedal and all linked >> pedals will respond. >> >> Boomerang(R) III Looper >> This little power house records in true stereo (or mono), has 17.5 >> minutes of recording time in mono and 6 independent loops that can be >> played sequentially (verse/chorus/bridge use) or simultaneously. In >> the >> latter mode the loops may be synched or played totally independent >> from >> each other. >> After the primary loop is recorded, there are 3 additional "layers" >> that can be recorded. The layers can be silenced, played or >> re-recorded. >> Additional material may be stacked on (added to) any of the layers. >> The user can assign a number of interesting and useful functions to >> a utility button. We anticipate having the following functions, and >> possibly more: reverse playback, reverse lead live, auto fade out, >> metronome, loop quantize, octave down effect (for bass line creation), >> loop extend and layer merging (merge all layers to one to free up >> memory). >> There will be selectable sample rates, a variety of signal routing >> options and a pedal linking system so multiple units can be synched. >> >> >> -- >> >> Mike Nelson >> Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, Inc. >> General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. >> >> ---------- >> >> "Some products make you sound better; >> the Boomerang(R) Phrase Sampler makes you play better." >> >> ---------- >> >> Shipping Address (send repairs & upgrades here) >> 3704 Oakwood Drive >> Grapevine, TX 76051 >> >> Billing Address >> Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 >> 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-251-8737, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax >> >> http://www.boomerangmusic.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 14:49:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2974D3BF29; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <51016.167.83.10.20.1171896536.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:48:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Fwd: new boomerang From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Rang III sounded great until it said the "One Button" that can control a gazillion things of which 99% of the time I will want at least two of the gazillion which will probably mean turning a selector of some sort to pick what I want which means messing with the pedal during a performance by bending down. At least before it was preset and split among different switches. Why don't looper companies do conjoint analysis or some other types of studies to verify what we want? Different companies come oh so close and then blow it by messing with basic stuff!! Augh! Ok, dont ranting... plish > > Begin forwarded message: >>> Currently it looks like we are on schedule to delivery the >>> Chorus/Delay pedal in early to mid April and the Rang(TM) III looper >>> in mid May. Here's a blurb describing what's up in Boomerang land. >>> >>> We will be releasing a new looper, the Rang(TM) III, AND a stereo >>> chorus/delay pedal in the spring of 2007. >>> The effects pedal has 11 presets and an expression pedal jack for >>> real time control of parameters. >>> The looper will have true stereo recording, vastly improved audio >>> specs, long record time, 6 loops, multi level undo/redo, multiple >>> loops >>> can play synched or unsynched, and a slew of "utility" features such >>> as >>> auto fade out, metronome, etc. >>> We will insure that the pedal is easy to operate and as intuitive as >>> the current one, but it will be deeper if you want to explore the new >>> functions. >>> It will be about half the size of the Rang(TM) Plus which lists for >>> $599. Right now it looks like the list price will be about $539. There >>> will be no MIDI or USB connectivity, and no permanent storage of >>> loops. >>> >>> Boomerang(R) Chorus-Delay Pedal >>> This is the first in a family of great sounding effect pedals from >>> BMP. Each pedal will have 2 different effects, be true stereo and >>> have a >>> hard wired bypass. There are 11 preset locations for storing your own >>> sounds. >>> Connect an expression pedal and you can control overall effect(s) >>> level or morph between two different sounds. >>> The delay effect will have a tap tempo foot button and three >>> different modes including tape delay simulation and reverse delay. >>> All the pedals in this family will be linkable to form a complete >>> effects system. Press store or recall on any one pedal and all linked >>> pedals will respond. >>> >>> Boomerang(R) III Looper >>> This little power house records in true stereo (or mono), has 17.5 >>> minutes of recording time in mono and 6 independent loops that can be >>> played sequentially (verse/chorus/bridge use) or simultaneously. In >>> the >>> latter mode the loops may be synched or played totally independent >>> from >>> each other. >>> After the primary loop is recorded, there are 3 additional "layers" >>> that can be recorded. The layers can be silenced, played or >>> re-recorded. >>> Additional material may be stacked on (added to) any of the layers. >>> The user can assign a number of interesting and useful functions to >>> a utility button. We anticipate having the following functions, and >>> possibly more: reverse playback, reverse lead live, auto fade out, >>> metronome, loop quantize, octave down effect (for bass line creation), >>> loop extend and layer merging (merge all layers to one to free up >>> memory). >>> There will be selectable sample rates, a variety of signal routing >>> options and a pedal linking system so multiple units can be synched. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Mike Nelson >>> Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, Inc. >>> General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. >>> >>> ---------- >>> >>> "Some products make you sound better; >>> the Boomerang(R) Phrase Sampler makes you play better." >>> >>> ---------- >>> >>> Shipping Address (send repairs & upgrades here) >>> 3704 Oakwood Drive >>> Grapevine, TX 76051 >>> >>> Billing Address >>> Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 >>> 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-251-8737, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax >>> >>> http://www.boomerangmusic.com >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 15:19:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ED873BF12; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <51016.167.83.10.20.1171896536.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> References: <51016.167.83.10.20.1171896536.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: new boomerang Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:19:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:19:46 +0000 (UTC) they need to join this list, you're right. it makes no sense for them to be making this stuff and not be listening to their tiny niche market. teddy On Feb 19, 2007, at 9:48 AM, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > Rang III sounded great until it said the "One Button" that can > control a > gazillion things of which 99% of the time I will want at least two > of the > gazillion which will probably mean turning a selector of some sort > to pick > what I want which means messing with the pedal during a performance by > bending down. At least before it was preset and split among different > switches. > > Why don't looper companies do conjoint analysis or some other types of > studies to verify what we want? Different companies come oh so > close and > then blow it by messing with basic stuff!! > > Augh! > > Ok, dont ranting... > > plish > >> >> Begin forwarded message: >>>> Currently it looks like we are on schedule to delivery the >>>> Chorus/Delay pedal in early to mid April and the Rang(TM) III >>>> looper >>>> in mid May. Here's a blurb describing what's up in Boomerang land. >>>> >>>> We will be releasing a new looper, the Rang(TM) III, AND a stereo >>>> chorus/delay pedal in the spring of 2007. >>>> The effects pedal has 11 presets and an expression pedal jack for >>>> real time control of parameters. >>>> The looper will have true stereo recording, vastly improved audio >>>> specs, long record time, 6 loops, multi level undo/redo, multiple >>>> loops >>>> can play synched or unsynched, and a slew of "utility" features >>>> such >>>> as >>>> auto fade out, metronome, etc. >>>> We will insure that the pedal is easy to operate and as >>>> intuitive as >>>> the current one, but it will be deeper if you want to explore >>>> the new >>>> functions. >>>> It will be about half the size of the Rang(TM) Plus which >>>> lists for >>>> $599. Right now it looks like the list price will be about $539. >>>> There >>>> will be no MIDI or USB connectivity, and no permanent storage of >>>> loops. >>>> >>>> Boomerang(R) Chorus-Delay Pedal >>>> This is the first in a family of great sounding effect pedals >>>> from >>>> BMP. Each pedal will have 2 different effects, be true stereo and >>>> have a >>>> hard wired bypass. There are 11 preset locations for storing >>>> your own >>>> sounds. >>>> Connect an expression pedal and you can control overall effect(s) >>>> level or morph between two different sounds. >>>> The delay effect will have a tap tempo foot button and three >>>> different modes including tape delay simulation and reverse delay. >>>> All the pedals in this family will be linkable to form a complete >>>> effects system. Press store or recall on any one pedal and all >>>> linked >>>> pedals will respond. >>>> >>>> Boomerang(R) III Looper >>>> This little power house records in true stereo (or mono), has >>>> 17.5 >>>> minutes of recording time in mono and 6 independent loops that >>>> can be >>>> played sequentially (verse/chorus/bridge use) or simultaneously. In >>>> the >>>> latter mode the loops may be synched or played totally independent >>>> from >>>> each other. >>>> After the primary loop is recorded, there are 3 additional >>>> "layers" >>>> that can be recorded. The layers can be silenced, played or >>>> re-recorded. >>>> Additional material may be stacked on (added to) any of the layers. >>>> The user can assign a number of interesting and useful >>>> functions to >>>> a utility button. We anticipate having the following functions, and >>>> possibly more: reverse playback, reverse lead live, auto fade out, >>>> metronome, loop quantize, octave down effect (for bass line >>>> creation), >>>> loop extend and layer merging (merge all layers to one to free up >>>> memory). >>>> There will be selectable sample rates, a variety of signal >>>> routing >>>> options and a pedal linking system so multiple units can be >>>> synched. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Mike Nelson >>>> Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, Inc. >>>> General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> >>>> "Some products make you sound better; >>>> the Boomerang(R) Phrase Sampler makes you play better." >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> >>>> Shipping Address (send repairs & upgrades here) >>>> 3704 Oakwood Drive >>>> Grapevine, TX 76051 >>>> >>>> Billing Address >>>> Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX >>>> 75354-1595 >>>> 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-251-8737, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax >>>> >>>> http://www.boomerangmusic.com >>>> >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 15:44:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB5443BF1B; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: HTi3uu0VM1n3E7XcZNIhCD_lpSiSzEZfwgGX.8THKDBl28wYXTFezYhwe.ZYppTnIP03Zw2DYDrIJuV7tB_p9HO9wzIcUOJDV7AssjCrqy_X4lzlMeU2kHU5YaV0GlLJud4l3MRpQM2jemU- Message-ID: <45D9C5D4.5030001@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:44:20 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem References: <800333.41347.qm@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070209070903050002020205" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:44:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070209070903050002020205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, somebody has to say it... If you have a PC laptop (or other easy-to-transport PC) with a decent audio interface, you could use Mobius (zonemobius.com ) for free, and it does this (among many other things) very well! --Josh Sandy Rowles wrote: > Dave, I have had a Boss rc-20xl ( very similar to Digitech Jamman) and > a Lexicon Jamman. Both were fun to play with but I have since gotten > an Echoplex Digital Pro (edp) and find that it suits me much better > than any of the others I have had. I guess it really depends on what > you want to do, but as far as making multiple separate loops without > having to stop, and being able to switch between them seamlessly, the > EDP is great. It isn't very cheap but it is my favorite and has been > the most applicable in a live situation in my opinion. > > On 2/18/07, *x031661-loopers@yahoo.com > * > wrote: > > I've been reading about loopers for the last few days and it seems > like, as with anything new, you don't really know what you want > from reading about it. I had to buy one, now I have a better idea > what I want and I'm wondering if someone can tell me if I can > actually get this from what I have, or what I should have bought. > > I have a digitech JamMan. > > I find it pretty easy to create loops with my guitar. I like the > Auto Record. I find it easier not to use a pre-set tempo. I like > that I can overdub on a loop. I like Undo. I like that there's > 99 loops possible. I like that I can increase the memory. I like > that, during playback, you can change loops and it waits until the > end of the current loop to switch. > > A lot of these features might be normal for any looper - I don't know. > > It seems to have a big deficiency for live use though in that I > can't save a loop while the loop is playing. > > What I want to be able to do is to record a loop, say a > verse. Let it loop as long as I need. When the chorus comes I > want to step to the next loop, which would be empty and record the > chorus, let it loop as needed and then switch back to the verse > and let it start looping the verse again. Maybe I'd add an > overdub or something, then switch to the chorus - come back to the > verse etc. > > The problem is, if I record the verse loop and then switch to the > next loop number I lose the verse - because I didn't save it. If > I want to save it I must first stop it from playing, which is not > appropriate live. > > Is that a problem with most loopers? I was also considering the > Boss RC-20 or, if I must spend that much an RC-50. > > Or maybe there's someway to get the JamMan to do what I want? > > Any ideas or suggestions? > > Dave > > > > > > > --------------070209070903050002020205 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, somebody has to say it...

If you have a PC laptop (or other easy-to-transport PC) with a decent audio interface, you could use Mobius (zonemobius.com) for free, and it does this (among many other things) very well!

--Josh


Sandy Rowles wrote:
Dave, I have had a Boss rc-20xl ( very similar to Digitech Jamman) and a Lexicon Jamman. Both were fun to play with but I have since gotten an Echoplex Digital Pro (edp) and find that it suits me much better than any of the others I have had. I guess it really depends on what you want to do, but as far as making multiple separate loops without having to stop, and being able to switch between them seamlessly, the EDP is great. It isn't very cheap but it is my favorite and has been the most applicable in a live situation in my opinion.

On 2/18/07, x031661-loopers@yahoo.com <x031661-loopers@yahoo.com > wrote:
I've been reading about loopers for the last few days and it seems like, as with anything new, you don't really know what you want from reading about it.  I had to buy one, now I have a better idea what I want and I'm wondering if someone can tell me if I can actually get this from what I have, or what I should have bought.

I have a digitech JamMan.

I find it pretty easy to create loops with my guitar.  I like the Auto Record.  I find it easier not to use a pre-set tempo.  I like that I can overdub on a loop.  I like Undo.  I like that there's 99 loops possible.  I like that I can increase the memory.  I like that, during playback, you can change loops and it waits until the end of the current loop to switch.

A lot of these features might be normal for any looper - I don't know.

It seems to have a big deficiency for live use though in that I can't save a loop while the loop is playing.

What I want to be able to do is to record a loop, say a verse.  Let it loop as long as I need.  When the chorus comes I want to step to the next loop, which would be empty and record the chorus, let it loop as needed and then switch back to the verse and let it start looping the verse again.  Maybe I'd add an overdub or something, then switch to the chorus - come back to the verse etc.

The problem is, if I record the verse loop and then switch to the next loop number I lose the verse - because I didn't save it.  If I want to save it I must first stop it from playing, which is not appropriate live.

Is that a problem with most loopers?  I was also considering the Boss RC-20  or, if I must spend that much an RC-50.

Or maybe there's someway to get the JamMan to do what I want?

Any ideas or suggestions?

Dave







--------------070209070903050002020205-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 15:51:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F36A3BF25; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:51:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <51016.167.83.10.20.1171896536.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9529DEDA-71BD-4E53-970F-24166452B8D4@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: ping -midi pedals? Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:51:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:51:45 +0000 (UTC) hello everyone. this is just a heads-up. i have a friend who is building midi pedals. very cool with relatively small footprints. i've been using the fabled Lake Butler Midigator pedal for ten years or so and he's curious about the market for something similar with more ergonomic switches and smaller footprint. here are the basics.. 256 (or more) name-able patches with up to 5 dedicated switches per patch. each switch could send any midi command and any combination of midi commands over any channel or combination thereof. 2 cv pedal inputs for continuos control large readable display. my questions are: 1) anyone interested ? 2) how much is something like that worth to you? 3) are there needs that are not addressed in the above description? thanks monk@fuse.net www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 15:58:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 100DC3BF26; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:58:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05e601c7543e$d5591880$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <51016.167.83.10.20.1171896536.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Subject: Re: Fwd: new boomerang Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:58:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <19cFK.A.shD.3kc2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:58:48 +0000 (UTC) That's too bad. I was getting really excited about the new unit, as it satisfies most of my looping requirements (loop extend, multiple loops, reverse, etc), which I've revealed as rather basic in past posts. But still, autofade is cool, and so is reverse, but both accessible via the same button (by some manual programming I guess), would be a major downfall. ...still waiting for that Mobius in a floor unit concept to come to fruition. :) Call it Homunculus. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: new boomerang > Rang III sounded great until it said the "One Button" that can control a > gazillion things of which 99% of the time I will want at least two of the > gazillion which will probably mean turning a selector of some sort to pick > what I want which means messing with the pedal during a performance by > bending down. At least before it was preset and split among different > switches. > > Why don't looper companies do conjoint analysis or some other types of > studies to verify what we want? Different companies come oh so close and > then blow it by messing with basic stuff!! > > Augh! > > Ok, dont ranting... > > plish > >> >> Begin forwarded message: >>>> Currently it looks like we are on schedule to delivery the >>>> Chorus/Delay pedal in early to mid April and the Rang(TM) III looper >>>> in mid May. Here's a blurb describing what's up in Boomerang land. >>>> >>>> We will be releasing a new looper, the Rang(TM) III, AND a stereo >>>> chorus/delay pedal in the spring of 2007. >>>> The effects pedal has 11 presets and an expression pedal jack for >>>> real time control of parameters. >>>> The looper will have true stereo recording, vastly improved audio >>>> specs, long record time, 6 loops, multi level undo/redo, multiple >>>> loops >>>> can play synched or unsynched, and a slew of "utility" features such >>>> as >>>> auto fade out, metronome, etc. >>>> We will insure that the pedal is easy to operate and as intuitive as >>>> the current one, but it will be deeper if you want to explore the new >>>> functions. >>>> It will be about half the size of the Rang(TM) Plus which lists for >>>> $599. Right now it looks like the list price will be about $539. There >>>> will be no MIDI or USB connectivity, and no permanent storage of >>>> loops. >>>> >>>> Boomerang(R) Chorus-Delay Pedal >>>> This is the first in a family of great sounding effect pedals from >>>> BMP. Each pedal will have 2 different effects, be true stereo and >>>> have a >>>> hard wired bypass. There are 11 preset locations for storing your own >>>> sounds. >>>> Connect an expression pedal and you can control overall effect(s) >>>> level or morph between two different sounds. >>>> The delay effect will have a tap tempo foot button and three >>>> different modes including tape delay simulation and reverse delay. >>>> All the pedals in this family will be linkable to form a complete >>>> effects system. Press store or recall on any one pedal and all linked >>>> pedals will respond. >>>> >>>> Boomerang(R) III Looper >>>> This little power house records in true stereo (or mono), has 17.5 >>>> minutes of recording time in mono and 6 independent loops that can be >>>> played sequentially (verse/chorus/bridge use) or simultaneously. In >>>> the >>>> latter mode the loops may be synched or played totally independent >>>> from >>>> each other. >>>> After the primary loop is recorded, there are 3 additional "layers" >>>> that can be recorded. The layers can be silenced, played or >>>> re-recorded. >>>> Additional material may be stacked on (added to) any of the layers. >>>> The user can assign a number of interesting and useful functions to >>>> a utility button. We anticipate having the following functions, and >>>> possibly more: reverse playback, reverse lead live, auto fade out, >>>> metronome, loop quantize, octave down effect (for bass line creation), >>>> loop extend and layer merging (merge all layers to one to free up >>>> memory). >>>> There will be selectable sample rates, a variety of signal routing >>>> options and a pedal linking system so multiple units can be synched. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Mike Nelson >>>> Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, Inc. >>>> General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> >>>> "Some products make you sound better; >>>> the Boomerang(R) Phrase Sampler makes you play better." >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> >>>> Shipping Address (send repairs & upgrades here) >>>> 3704 Oakwood Drive >>>> Grapevine, TX 76051 >>>> >>>> Billing Address >>>> Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 >>>> 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-251-8737, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax >>>> >>>> http://www.boomerangmusic.com >>>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 16:05:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 529B43BF25; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070219111130.0287e7c0@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:12:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: Re: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem In-Reply-To: References: <800333.41347.qm@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7BFD636C Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:05:54 +0000 (UTC) To offer a different opinion, again just based on what I do live, I use a Boss RC20 for playing solo jazz. I play the chords or a bass line in, then play or solo on top of it. So, admittedly, I'm not using most of the features of the unit and just need something to record myself, that is controlled by my feet. Chris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.2/692 - Release Date: 2/18/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 16:05:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7FBA3BF30; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:05:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "GORDIUS info" To: Subject: RE: ping -midi pedals? Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:06:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <9529DEDA-71BD-4E53-970F-24166452B8D4@fuse.net> Thread-Index: AcdUPdvBfMXl3jgOQrWSl1rFYa4v1QAAJzgQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070219160552.E066B22010B@assei1bl6.telenet-ops.be> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:05:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi Monk, Do I know you, or do I know your friend ? ;-) It's just because I am kind-of reading the spec of what I have currently designed in your post :-) I'm about to launch the "GORDIUS Little Giant", and indeed I don't need to write down the specs, I can (almost) copy-and-paste from your post : here are the basics.. 250 name-able patches, 250 banks of up to 32 switches linked to any of the patches. each switch could send any midi command and any combination of midi commands over any channel or combination thereof. 2 cv pedal inputs for continuos control large readable display. You can check it out on http://www.gordius.be , pictures of the floorboard will be added somewhere next week... I just joined this forum because I'm "curious about the market" too :-) -----Original Message----- From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] Sent: maandag 19 februari 2007 16:52 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ping -midi pedals? hello everyone. this is just a heads-up. i have a friend who is building midi pedals. very cool with relatively small footprints. i've been using the fabled Lake Butler Midigator pedal for ten years or so and he's curious about the market for something similar with more ergonomic switches and smaller footprint. here are the basics.. 256 (or more) name-able patches with up to 5 dedicated switches per patch. each switch could send any midi command and any combination of midi commands over any channel or combination thereof. 2 cv pedal inputs for continuos control large readable display. my questions are: 1) anyone interested ? 2) how much is something like that worth to you? 3) are there needs that are not addressed in the above description? thanks monk@fuse.net www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 16:12:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 983053BF20; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <061e01c75440$b971c6b0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070219160552.E066B22010B@assei1bl6.telenet-ops.be> Subject: Re: ping -midi pedals? Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:12:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Oh, you did add two CV inputs? Cool. Are these 1/4 inch so that I could use something like a Roland expression pedal? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "GORDIUS info" To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:06 AM Subject: RE: ping -midi pedals? > > Hi Monk, > > Do I know you, or do I know your friend ? ;-) > It's just because I am kind-of reading the spec of what I have currently > designed in your post :-) > I'm about to launch the "GORDIUS Little Giant", and indeed I don't need to > write down the specs, I can (almost) copy-and-paste from your post : > > here are the basics.. > > 250 name-able patches, 250 banks of up to 32 switches linked to any of the > patches. > > each switch could send any midi command and any combination of midi > commands > over any channel or combination thereof. > > 2 cv pedal inputs for continuos control > > large readable display. > > > You can check it out on http://www.gordius.be , pictures of the floorboard > will be added somewhere next week... > I just joined this forum because I'm "curious about the market" too :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] > Sent: maandag 19 februari 2007 16:52 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: ping -midi pedals? > > hello everyone. > > > this is just a heads-up. i have a friend who is building midi pedals. > very cool with relatively small footprints. > > i've been using the fabled Lake Butler Midigator pedal for ten years or so > and he's curious about the market for something similar with more > ergonomic > switches and smaller footprint. > > here are the basics.. > > 256 (or more) name-able patches with up to 5 dedicated switches per patch. > > each switch could send any midi command and any combination of midi > commands > over any channel or combination thereof. > > 2 cv pedal inputs for continuos control > > large readable display. > > > > > my questions are: > > 1) anyone interested ? > > 2) how much is something like that worth to you? > > 3) are there needs that are not addressed in the above description? > > thanks > > > > monk@fuse.net > > > www.richordinski.com > > www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 16:13:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAD5D3BF29; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <061e01c75440$b971c6b0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20070219160552.E066B22010B@assei1bl6.telenet-ops.be> <061e01c75440$b971c6b0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-320901544 Message-Id: <37C12F89-1267-4E99-BE9F-84D14297B4E6@fuse.net> From: monk Subject: Re: ping -midi pedals? Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:13:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:13:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-320901544 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed the type of pedal is still being discussed. i think the EV5 was mentioned. personally, i prefer the yamaha FC9. On Feb 19, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Oh, you did add two CV inputs? Cool. Are these 1/4 inch so that I > could use something like a Roland expression pedal? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "GORDIUS info" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:06 AM > Subject: RE: ping -midi pedals? > > >> >> Hi Monk, >> >> Do I know you, or do I know your friend ? ;-) >> It's just because I am kind-of reading the spec of what I have >> currently >> designed in your post :-) >> I'm about to launch the "GORDIUS Little Giant", and indeed I don't >> need to >> write down the specs, I can (almost) copy-and-paste from your post : >> >> here are the basics.. >> >> 250 name-able patches, 250 banks of up to 32 switches linked to >> any of the >> patches. >> >> each switch could send any midi command and any combination of >> midi commands >> over any channel or combination thereof. >> >> 2 cv pedal inputs for continuos control >> >> large readable display. >> >> >> You can check it out on http://www.gordius.be , pictures of the >> floorboard >> will be added somewhere next week... >> I just joined this forum because I'm "curious about the market" >> too :-) >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] >> Sent: maandag 19 februari 2007 16:52 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: ping -midi pedals? >> >> hello everyone. >> >> >> this is just a heads-up. i have a friend who is building midi pedals. >> very cool with relatively small footprints. >> >> i've been using the fabled Lake Butler Midigator pedal for ten >> years or so >> and he's curious about the market for something similar with more >> ergonomic >> switches and smaller footprint. >> >> here are the basics.. >> >> 256 (or more) name-able patches with up to 5 dedicated switches >> per patch. >> >> each switch could send any midi command and any combination of >> midi commands >> over any channel or combination thereof. >> >> 2 cv pedal inputs for continuos control >> >> large readable display. >> >> >> >> >> my questions are: >> >> 1) anyone interested ? >> >> 2) how much is something like that worth to you? >> >> 3) are there needs that are not addressed in the above description? >> >> thanks >> >> >> >> monk@fuse.net >> >> >> www.richordinski.com >> >> www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic >> >> >> > > ric hordinski www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic www.myspace.com/monasterystudio --Apple-Mail-1-320901544 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII the type of pedal is still being = discussed. i think the EV5 was mentioned. personally, i prefer the = yamaha FC9.


On Feb 19, = 2007, at 11:12 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

Oh, you did add two CV inputs? Cool. Are these 1/4 = inch so that I could use something like a Roland expression = pedal?

Kris

----- Original Message ----- = From: "GORDIUS info" <info@gordius.be>
Sent: Monday, February 19, = 2007 9:06 AM
Subject: RE: ping -midi = pedals?



Hi Monk,

Do I know you, or do I know your = friend ? ;-)
It's just because I am kind-of = reading the spec of what I have currently
designed = in your post :-)
I'm about to launch the "GORDIUS = Little Giant", and indeed I don't need to
write = down the specs, I can (almost) copy-and-paste from your post :

here are = the basics..

250 name-able patches, 250 banks of up to 32 = switches linked to any of the

each switch could send any midi command and any = combination of midi commands
over any = channel or combination thereof.

2 cv pedal inputs for continuos = control

large readable display.


You can check it out on http://www.gordius.be , pictures of = the floorboard
will be added somewhere next = week...
I just joined this forum because = I'm "curious about the market" too :-)



-----Original Message-----
Sent: maandag 19 februari 2007 16:52
Subject: ping -midi = pedals?

hello everyone.


this is just a heads-up. i have a friend who is = building midi pedals.
very cool with relatively = small footprints.

i've been using the fabled Lake Butler Midigator = pedal for ten years or so
and he's = curious about the market for something similar with more = ergonomic
switches and smaller = footprint.

here are the basics..

256 (or more) = name-able patches with up to 5 dedicated switches per patch.

each = switch could send any midi command and any combination of midi = commands
over any channel or combination = thereof.

2 cv pedal inputs for continuos control

large = readable display.




my questions are:

1) = anyone interested ?
2) how much is something like = that worth to you?
3) are there needs that are not = addressed in the above description?

thanks











ric = hordinski

www.richordinski.com

www.myspace.com/richordinskim= usic

www.myspace.com/monasterystud= io

=

= --Apple-Mail-1-320901544-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 16:15:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 752F63BF29; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:12:33 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: messages/attachments In-reply-to: <25839463.1171358265683.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45D9CC71.6070600@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <398472.62862.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <25839463.1171358265683.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On 13 feb 2007, at 01.48, bill bigrig wrote: > >> Does this group not accept messages with attachments? >> I've tried to send an mp3 of 'name that chord" muzik >> but it doesn't seem to make it through the system. > > No. I've never heard of any mailing list that supports attachments. > Posts are stripped from eventual attachments by the list server, I guess. Actually, a Yahoogroup mailing lists can be set up to accept or prohibit attachments. One thing I wish more people would remember is that getting an unexpected attachment that is large (like any audio file) is considered rude. Some people are on dial-up. Other people have mail programs that hog all of a computer's processing while grabbing incoming mail, effectively shutting down all parallel processes. It is way more polite to send a link to an mp3 file and is doesn't require that a mailing list allow attachments. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 16:19:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D11793BF39; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <063e01c75441$c585b4b0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070219160552.E066B22010B@assei1bl6.telenet-ops.be> <061e01c75440$b971c6b0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <37C12F89-1267-4E99-BE9F-84D14297B4E6@fuse.net> Subject: Re: ping -midi pedals? Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:19:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_063B_01C75407.185275B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <57RsrB.A._uE.l4c2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:19:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_063B_01C75407.185275B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the FC9 has a greater sweep than those tiny Roland EV5 pedals, then = I'm all for it!!!! :) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: monk=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:13 AM Subject: Re: ping -midi pedals? the type of pedal is still being discussed. i think the EV5 was = mentioned. personally, i prefer the yamaha FC9. On Feb 19, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: Oh, you did add two CV inputs? Cool. Are these 1/4 inch so that I = could use something like a Roland expression pedal? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "GORDIUS info" To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:06 AM Subject: RE: ping -midi pedals? Hi Monk, Do I know you, or do I know your friend ? ;-) It's just because I am kind-of reading the spec of what I have = currently designed in your post :-) I'm about to launch the "GORDIUS Little Giant", and indeed I don't = need to write down the specs, I can (almost) copy-and-paste from your post = : here are the basics.. 250 name-able patches, 250 banks of up to 32 switches linked to = any of the patches. each switch could send any midi command and any combination of = midi commands over any channel or combination thereof. 2 cv pedal inputs for continuos control large readable display. You can check it out on http://www.gordius.be , pictures of the = floorboard will be added somewhere next week... I just joined this forum because I'm "curious about the market" = too :-) -----Original Message----- From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] Sent: maandag 19 februari 2007 16:52 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ping -midi pedals? hello everyone. this is just a heads-up. i have a friend who is building midi = pedals. very cool with relatively small footprints. i've been using the fabled Lake Butler Midigator pedal for ten = years or so and he's curious about the market for something similar with more = ergonomic switches and smaller footprint. here are the basics.. 256 (or more) name-able patches with up to 5 dedicated switches = per patch. each switch could send any midi command and any combination of = midi commands over any channel or combination thereof. 2 cv pedal inputs for continuos control large readable display. my questions are: 1) anyone interested ? 2) how much is something like that worth to you? 3) are there needs that are not addressed in the above = description? thanks monk@fuse.net www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic ric hordinski www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic www.myspace.com/monasterystudio ------=_NextPart_000_063B_01C75407.185275B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If the FC9 has a greater sweep than = those tiny=20 Roland EV5 pedals, then I'm all for it!!!! :)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 monk
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 = 9:13=20 AM
Subject: Re: ping -midi = pedals?

the type of pedal is still being discussed. i think the = EV5 was=20 mentioned. personally, i prefer the yamaha FC9.


On Feb 19, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
Oh, you did add two CV inputs? Cool. Are = these 1/4=20 inch so that I could use something like a Roland expression = pedal?

Kris

----- Original Message ----- From: = "GORDIUS info"=20 <info@gordius.be>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:06 = AM
Subject: RE: ping -midi pedals?



Hi Monk,

Do I know you, or do I know your friend = ?=20 ;-)
It's just because I am kind-of reading = the spec=20 of what I have currently
designed in your post :-)
I'm about to launch the "GORDIUS Little = Giant",=20 and indeed I don't need to
write down the specs, I can (almost)=20 copy-and-paste from your post :

here are the basics..

250 name-able patches, 250 banks of up = to 32=20 switches linked to any of the
patches.

each switch could send any midi command = and any=20 combination of midi commands
over any channel or combination = thereof.

2 cv pedal inputs for continuos = control

large readable display.


You can check it out on http://www.gordius.be , = pictures of the=20 floorboard
will be added somewhere next = week...
I just joined this forum because I'm = "curious=20 about the market" too :-)



-----Original Message-----
From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net]
Sent: maandag 19 februari 2007 = 16:52
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject: ping -midi pedals?

hello everyone.


this is just a heads-up. i have a = friend who is=20 building midi pedals.
very cool with relatively small = footprints.

i've been using the fabled Lake Butler = Midigator=20 pedal for ten years or so
and he's curious about the market for = something=20 similar with more ergonomic
switches and smaller footprint.

here are the basics..

256 (or more) name-able patches with up = to 5=20 dedicated switches per patch.

each switch could send any midi command = and any=20 combination of midi commands
over any channel or combination = thereof.

2 cv pedal inputs for continuos = control

large readable display.




my questions are:

1) anyone interested ?

2) how much is something like that = worth to=20 you?

3) are there needs that are not = addressed in the=20 above description?

thanks



monk@fuse.net


www.richordinski.com

www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic






ric hordinski

www.richordinski.com

www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic

www.myspace.com/monasterystudio

------=_NextPart_000_063B_01C75407.185275B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 16:29:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 331603BF36; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=O2Vnq1Ps4Kk46+gH4WfywAe8Zx7mI2Hce5Lw6+nfVz8fc9G02Gv1INNmo2/wV23aWJpVOs7eIwPgP6ZRoUlCdVMFunBWAA4ZLQQ0/CpH2z48DUT+pKk5yFP8sLLSC+nBtjKdYSnOZDIStSWYvpbA1LBy5FCjz4IZQZB+XQy10Jg=; X-YMail-OSG: 5I4.MGEVM1mOxLkeq29C77xxpXykE6Mm42e9yoXAD5p1DdTScgohbV_phfqav89XiPvOF.8mSCuyCaMH2o1ZIuvOJW8MbuqBjNUIbSHPWHGjSnSgC2mN8IcsJVhT4SAvmAmutzH6XQWuCGE- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/368.8 YahooMailWebService/0.6.132.8 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:29:07 -0800 (PST) From: x031661-loopers@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-943820146-1171902547=:98632" Message-ID: <114636.98632.qm@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:29:15 +0000 (UTC) --0-943820146-1171902547=:98632 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks. Unfortunately my PC is a desktop. I might experiment with the sof= tware anyway. Thanks!=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Joshua Carr= oll =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent:= Monday, February 19, 2007 10:44:20 AM=0ASubject: Re: Bought My First Loope= r - Here's the problem=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0AWell, somebody has to say= it...=0A=0A=0A=0AIf you have a PC laptop (or other easy-to-transport PC) w= ith a decent=0Aaudio interface, you could use Mobius (zonemobius.com) for f= ree, and it=0Adoes this (among many other things) very well!=0A=0A=0A=0A--J= osh=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASandy Rowles wrote:=0ADave, I have had a Boss rc-20xl = ( very similar to Digitech=0AJamman) and a Lexicon Jamman. Both were fun to= play with but I have=0Asince gotten an Echoplex Digital Pro (edp) and find= that it suits me=0Amuch better than any of the others I have had. I guess = it really=0Adepends on what you want to do, but as far as making multiple s= eparate=0Aloops without having to stop, and being able to switch between th= em=0Aseamlessly, the EDP is great. It isn't very cheap but it is my favorit= e=0Aand has been the most applicable in a live situation in my opinion. =0A= =0A =0A=0A On 2/18/07, x031661-loopers@yahoo.com=0A wrote:=0A I've=0Abeen reading about loopers for the last few da= ys and it seems like, as=0Awith anything new, you don't really know what yo= u want from reading=0Aabout it. I had to buy one, now I have a better idea= what I want and=0AI'm wondering if someone can tell me if I can actually g= et this from=0Awhat I have, or what I should have bought.=0A =0A=0A = =0A=0AI have a digitech JamMan.=0A=0A =0A=0AI find it pretty easy to cre= ate loops with my guitar. I like the Auto=0ARecord. I find it easier not = to use a pre-set tempo. I like that I=0Acan overdub on a loop. I like Und= o. I like that there's 99 loops=0Apossible. I like that I can increase th= e memory. I like that, during=0Aplayback, you can change loops and it wait= s until the end of the=0Acurrent loop to switch.=0A =0A=0A =0A=0AA lo= t of these features might be normal for any looper - I don't know.=0A=0A = =0A=0AIt seems to have a big deficiency for live use though in that I can'= t=0Asave a loop while the loop is playing.=0A=0A =0A=0AWhat I want to be= able to do is to record a loop, say a verse. Let it=0Aloop as long as I n= eed. When the chorus comes I want to step to the=0Anext loop, which would = be empty and record the chorus, let it loop as=0Aneeded and then switch bac= k to the verse and let it start looping the=0Averse again. Maybe I'd add a= n overdub or something, then switch to the=0Achorus - come back to the vers= e etc.=0A =0A=0A =0A=0AThe problem is, if I record the verse loop and= then switch to the next=0Aloop number I lose the verse - because I didn't = save it. If I want to=0Asave it I must first stop it from playing, which i= s not appropriate=0Alive.=0A =0A=0A =0A=0AIs that a problem with most= loopers? I was also considering the Boss=0ARC-20 or, if I must spend tha= t much an RC-50.=0A=0A =0A=0AOr maybe there's someway to get the JamMan = to do what I want?=0A=0A =0A=0AAny ideas or suggestions?=0A =0A=0A = =0A=0ADave=0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A= =0A =0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-943820146-1171902547=:98632 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks.  Unfortunately my PC is a desktop.&nbs= p; I might experiment with the software anyway.  Thanks!

zonemobius.com) = for free, and it=0Adoes this (among many other things) very well!
=0A=0A--Josh
=0A
=0A
=0ASandy Rowles wrote:=0A
Dave, I have had a Boss rc-20xl ( very similar to Digitech=0AJamman) an= d a Lexicon Jamman. Both were fun to play with but I have=0Asince gotten an= Echoplex Digital Pro (edp) and find that it suits me=0Amuch better than an= y of the others I have had. I guess it really=0Adepends on what you want to= do, but as far as making multiple separate=0Aloops without having to stop,= and being able to switch between them=0Aseamlessly, the EDP is great. It i= sn't very cheap but it is my favorite=0Aand has been the most applicable in= a live situation in my opinion.
=0A
=0A
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=0AI have a digit= ech JamMan.
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=0A
=0AA lot of these features = might be normal for any looper - I don't know.
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<= /html> --0-943820146-1171902547=:98632-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 16:37:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EB2F3BF24; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: TcogkFEVM1nL75nIIIsEDuFkW1q7XAvNO9qsBq0y4Wp2MrM7OUx43_7.ytXt3xQmt8X79dWuYZYPUrSIVIgUaf7pxzl7pdBsAdS7qcCFfERLbWLy6ZRPUqOvMMQbU0uyQK0vJbB9vAqEOt8- Message-ID: <45D9D226.1010600@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:36:54 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem References: <114636.98632.qm@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <114636.98632.qm@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030705040800070500040402" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:37:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030705040800070500040402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure! It's a ton of fun. And it looks like the market of MIDI foot controllers is expanding... x031661-loopers@yahoo.com wrote: > Thanks. Unfortunately my PC is a desktop. I might experiment with > the software anyway. Thanks! > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Joshua Carroll > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:44:20 AM > Subject: Re: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem > > Well, somebody has to say it... > > If you have a PC laptop (or other easy-to-transport PC) with a decent > audio interface, you could use Mobius (zonemobius.com > ) for free, and it does this (among many > other things) very well! > > --Josh > > > Sandy Rowles wrote: >> Dave, I have had a Boss rc-20xl ( very similar to Digitech Jamman) >> and a Lexicon Jamman. Both were fun to play with but I have since >> gotten an Echoplex Digital Pro (edp) and find that it suits me much >> better than any of the others I have had. I guess it really depends >> on what you want to do, but as far as making multiple separate loops >> without having to stop, and being able to switch between them >> seamlessly, the EDP is great. It isn't very cheap but it is my >> favorite and has been the most applicable in a live situation in my >> opinion. >> >> On 2/18/07, *x031661-loopers@yahoo.com >> * > > wrote: >> >> I've been reading about loopers for the last few days and it >> seems like, as with anything new, you don't really know what you >> want from reading about it. I had to buy one, now I have a >> better idea what I want and I'm wondering if someone can tell me >> if I can actually get this from what I have, or what I should >> have bought. >> >> I have a digitech JamMan. >> >> I find it pretty easy to create loops with my guitar. I like the >> Auto Record. I find it easier not to use a pre-set tempo. I >> like that I can overdub on a loop. I like Undo. I like that >> there's 99 loops possible. I like that I can increase the >> memory. I like that, during playback, you can change loops and >> it waits until the end of the current loop to switch. >> >> A lot of these features might be normal for any looper - I don't >> know. >> >> It seems to have a big deficiency for live use though in that I >> can't save a loop while the loop is playing. >> >> What I want to be able to do is to record a loop, say a >> verse. Let it loop as long as I need. When the chorus comes I >> want to step to the next loop, which would be empty and record >> the chorus, let it loop as needed and then switch back to the >> verse and let it start looping the verse again. Maybe I'd add an >> overdub or something, then switch to the chorus - come back to >> the verse etc. >> >> The problem is, if I record the verse loop and then switch to the >> next loop number I lose the verse - because I didn't save it. If >> I want to save it I must first stop it from playing, which is not >> appropriate live. >> >> Is that a problem with most loopers? I was also considering the >> Boss RC-20 or, if I must spend that much an RC-50. >> >> Or maybe there's someway to get the JamMan to do what I want? >> >> Any ideas or suggestions? >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --------------030705040800070500040402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure!  It's a ton of fun.  And it looks like the market of MIDI foot controllers is expanding...

x031661-loopers@yahoo.com wrote:
Thanks.  Unfortunately my PC is a desktop.  I might experiment with the software anyway.  Thanks!

----- Original Message ----
From: Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:44:20 AM
Subject: Re: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem

Well, somebody has to say it...

If you have a PC laptop (or other easy-to-transport PC) with a decent audio interface, you could use Mobius (zonemobius.com) for free, and it does this (among many other things) very well!

--Josh


Sandy Rowles wrote:
Dave, I have had a Boss rc-20xl ( very similar to Digitech Jamman) and a Lexicon Jamman. Both were fun to play with but I have since gotten an Echoplex Digital Pro (edp) and find that it suits me much better than any of the others I have had. I guess it really depends on what you want to do, but as far as making multiple separate loops without having to stop, and being able to switch between them seamlessly, the EDP is great. It isn't very cheap but it is my favorite and has been the most applicable in a live situation in my opinion.

On 2/18/07, x031661-loopers@yahoo.com <x031661-loopers@yahoo.com > wrote:
I've been reading about loopers for the last few days and it seems like, as with anything new, you don't really know what you want from reading about it.  I had to buy one, now I have a better idea what I want and I'm wondering if someone can tell me if I can actually get this from what I have, or what I should have bought.

I have a digitech JamMan.

I find it pretty easy to create loops with my guitar.  I like the Auto Record.  I find it easier not to use a pre-set tempo.  I like that I can overdub on a loop.  I like Undo.  I like that there's 99 loops possible.  I like that I can increase the memory.  I like that, during playback, you can change loops and it waits until the end of the current loop to switch.

A lot of these features might be normal for any looper - I don't know.

It seems to have a big deficiency for live use though in that I can't save a loop while the loop is playing.

What I want to be able to do is to record a loop, say a verse.  Let it loop as long as I need.  When the chorus comes I want to step to the next loop, which would be empty and record the chorus, let it loop as needed and then switch back to the verse and let it start looping the verse again.  Maybe I'd add an overdub or something, then switch to the chorus - come back to the verse etc.

The problem is, if I record the verse loop and then switch to the next loop number I lose the verse - because I didn't save it.  If I want to save it I must first stop it from playing, which is not appropriate live.

Is that a problem with most loopers?  I was also considering the Boss RC-20  or, if I must spend that much an RC-50.

Or maybe there's someway to get the JamMan to do what I want?

Any ideas or suggestions?

Dave








--------------030705040800070500040402-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 16:39:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E3BE3BF25; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oWRUk6Tqaol/yW3CTVMFjFbeyKXEby1f55M+JACEsY5gQHZEV3iOotLJ77X0NzzYLy5764GnqQgPq9SF0OrDsGTvUbBoKV65lQa4hKX7ycb4QhALzxP/IUmNwJ9OeVLHXqGIV8jucLGh4NMqZOWpVULZ1mCowkoGaR/9SE1tD/Q= ; Message-ID: <20070219163905.44624.qmail@web52711.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/368.8 YahooMailWebService/0.6.132.8 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:39:04 -0800 (PST) From: x031661-loopers@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-172943696-1171903144=:44151" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:39:06 +0000 (UTC) --0-172943696-1171903144=:44151 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yikes Sandy, $1000? It would be the single most expensive piece of music g= ear I'd own.=0A=0AIt's a little out of my league I'm afraid. Hopefully the= re's something cheaper that would do what I want.=0A=0AMaybe the Boss RC-50= . That's about $500. I could possible swing that.=0A=0AI'm surprised it's= not a standard feature in any looper that allows multiple loops and is per= formance oriented. Otherwise you are limited to using loops you've prereco= rded or, if you want to stick with live loops, only using one stack of loop= s. I guess most of the time I've hear performers use loopers it seems to b= e used this way - one continuously building loop. Or they just use it as a= backing track to solo over in the middle of the song.=0A=0AIt sounds like = the EDP would be ideal though.=0A=0AThanks for the advice...=0A=0A----- Ori= ginal Message ----=0AFrom: Sandy Rowles =0ATo: Loopers-De= light@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:53:45 PM=0AS= ubject: Re: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem=0A=0ADave, I have h= ad a Boss rc-20xl ( very similar to Digitech Jamman) and a Lexicon Jamman. = Both were fun to play with but I have since gotten an Echoplex Digital Pro = (edp) and find that it suits me much better than any of the others I have h= ad. I guess it really depends on what you want to do, but as far as making = multiple separate loops without having to stop, and being able to switch be= tween them seamlessly, the EDP is great. It isn't very cheap but it is my f= avorite and has been the most applicable in a live situation in my opinion.= =0A=0A=0AOn 2/18/07, x031661-loopers@yahoo.com wrote:I've been reading about loopers for the last few days and it see= ms like, as with anything new, you don't really know what you want from rea= ding about it. I had to buy one, now I have a better idea what I want and = I'm wondering if someone can tell me if I can actually get this from what I= have, or what I should have bought.=0A=0A=0AI have a digitech JamMan.=0A= =0AI find it pretty easy to create loops with my guitar. I like the Auto R= ecord. I find it easier not to use a pre-set tempo. I like that I can ove= rdub on a loop. I like Undo. I like that there's 99 loops possible. I li= ke that I can increase the memory. I like that, during playback, you can c= hange loops and it waits until the end of the current loop to switch.=0A=0A= =0AA lot of these features might be normal for any looper - I don't know.= =0A=0AIt seems to have a big deficiency for live use though in that I can't= save a loop while the loop is playing.=0A=0AWhat I want to be able to do i= s to record a loop, say a verse. Let it loop as long as I need. When the = chorus comes I want to step to the next loop, which would be empty and reco= rd the chorus, let it loop as needed and then switch back to the verse and = let it start looping the verse again. Maybe I'd add an overdub or somethin= g, then switch to the chorus - come back to the verse etc.=0A=0A=0AThe prob= lem is, if I record the verse loop and then switch to the next loop number = I lose the verse - because I didn't save it. If I want to save it I must f= irst stop it from playing, which is not appropriate live.=0A=0A=0AIs that a= problem with most loopers? I was also considering the Boss RC-20 or, if = I must spend that much an RC-50.=0A=0AOr maybe there's someway to get the J= amMan to do what I want?=0A=0AAny ideas or suggestions?=0A=0A=0ADave=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-172943696-1171903144=:44151 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yikes Sandy, $1000?  It would be the single mo= st expensive piece of music gear I'd own.

It's a little out of my le= ague I'm afraid.  Hopefully there's something cheaper that would do wh= at I want.

Maybe the Boss RC-50.  That's about $500.  I co= uld possible swing that.

I'm surprised it's not a standard feature i= n any looper that allows multiple loops and is performance oriented.  = Otherwise you are limited to using loops you've prerecorded or, if you want= to stick with live loops, only using one stack of loops.  I guess mos= t of the time I've hear performers use loopers it seems to be used this way= - one continuously building loop.  Or they just use it as a backing t= rack to solo over in the middle of the song.

It sounds like the EDP would be ideal th= ough.

Thanks for the advice...

----- Original Message= ----
From: Sandy Rowles <sandy@pajiba.com>
To: Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:53:45 PM
Subj= ect: Re: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem

Dave, I have ha= d a Boss rc-20xl ( very similar to Digitech Jamman) and a Lexicon Jamman. B= oth were fun to play with but I have since gotten an Echoplex Digital Pro (= edp) and find that it suits me much better than any of the others I have ha= d. I guess it really depends on what you want to do, but as far as making m= ultiple separate loops without having to stop, and being able to switch bet= ween them seamlessly, the EDP is great. It isn't very cheap but it is my fa= vorite and has been the most applicable in a live situation in my opinion. = =0A

On 2/18/07, x031661-loopers@yahoo.com <x031661-loopers= @yahoo.com=0A> wrote:
I've been reading about loopers for the last few days an= d it seems like, as with anything new, you don't really know what you want = from reading about it.  I had to buy one, now I have a better ide= a what I want and I'm wondering if someone can tell me if I can actually ge= t this from what I have, or what I should have bought.=0A

I have a d= igitech JamMan.

I find it pretty easy to create loops with my guitar= .  I like the Auto Record.  I find it easier not to use= a pre-set tempo.  I like that I can overdub on a loop. &nbs= p;I like Undo.  I like that there's 99 loops possible.  = ;I like that I can increase the memory.  I like that, during play= back, you can change loops and it waits until the end of the current loop t= o switch.=0A

A lot of these features might be normal for any looper = - I don't know.

It seems to have a big deficiency for live use thoug= h in that I can't save a loop while the loop is playing.

What I want= to be able to do is to record a loop, say a verse.  Let it loop = as long as I need.  When the chorus comes I want to step to the n= ext loop, which would be empty and record the chorus, let it loop as needed= and then switch back to the verse and let it start looping the verse again= .  Maybe I'd add an overdub or something, then switch to the chor= us - come back to the verse etc.=0A

The problem is, if I record the = verse loop and then switch to the next loop number I lose the verse - becau= se I didn't save it.  If I want to save it I must first stop it f= rom playing, which is not appropriate live.=0A

Is that a problem wit= h most loopers?  I was also considering the Boss RC-20  = ;or, if I must spend that much an RC-50.

Or maybe there's someway to= get the JamMan to do what I want?

Any ideas or suggestions?=0A
<= br>Dave







=0A

--0-172943696-1171903144=:44151-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 16:44:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C9E13BF1D; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:44:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HzzytcZSZuw5/cGTLKBx8X18M+5jj7AKNi2SskUyquFw+R5bLRhPWJ6iCZWMxW/IVaZNEHCdAlaQ+sJ71IyijKTaagljvMaM7ViJGoYlChkZ3T3aYoAucvvzWFuGhtxMuyp+eFd28f5orovGImxpAurEAzqoavGVr/EO8oTBc4A=; X-YMail-OSG: FHZohmwVM1kVLETp4DsNSwc2lL_z9B8.Pdlz1pfTHFwglr.SPaKqWSU9uVoHFinxCZjvLpzBj6dWB80UJKzoPO5K9PLsnEmsEu_EKbPTPJgvQBuL3sVJrRXPc58xbKUjp.WebQ.hQBm1FCo- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/368.8 YahooMailWebService/0.6.132.8 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:44:40 -0800 (PST) From: x031661-loopers@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <747088.78843.qm@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:44:41 +0000 (UTC) So you never find yourself needed to loop a chorus after looping the verse = and wanting to come back to the looped verse?=0A=0AIf I remember right, the= RC20 allows for 10 loops. Any idea if you can save a loop to one of the t= hose 10 slots, do a brand new loop and then come back to the first loop all= withing the context of a single song? That is, without stopping?=0A=0A---= -- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Chris Smart =0ATo: L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:12:= 33 AM=0ASubject: Re: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem=0A=0ATo of= fer a different opinion, again just based on what I do live, I =0Ause a Bos= s RC20 for playing solo jazz. I play the chords or a bass =0Aline in, then = play or solo on top of it. So, admittedly, I'm not =0Ausing most of the fea= tures of the unit and just need something to =0Arecord myself, that is cont= rolled by my feet.=0A=0AChris=0A=0A=0A-- =0ANo virus found in this outgoing= message.=0AChecked by AVG Free Edition.=0AVersion: 7.1.412 / Virus Databas= e: 268.18.2/692 - Release Date: 2/18/2007=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 16:55:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 098353BF36; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20070219160552.E066B22010B@assei1bl6.telenet-ops.be> References: <20070219160552.E066B22010B@assei1bl6.telenet-ops.be> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-323414696 Message-Id: <547801190f7ba7e2d9f3709b737804f3@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: ping -midi pedals? Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:55:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:55:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-323414696 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Little Giant - looks like a VERY cool product! I was looking at it yesterday. When will it be available, roughly? richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Feb-07, at 8:06 AM, GORDIUS info wrote: > > Hi Monk, > > Do I know you, or do I know your friend ? ;-) > It's just because I am kind-of reading the spec of what I have > currently > designed in your post :-) > I'm about to launch the "GORDIUS Little Giant", and indeed I don't > need to > write down the specs, I can (almost) copy-and-paste from your post : > > here are the basics.. > > 250 name-able patches, 250 banks of up to 32 switches linked to any of > the > patches. > > each switch could send any midi command and any combination of midi > commands > over any channel or combination thereof. > > 2 cv pedal inputs for continuos control > > large readable display. > > > You can check it out on http://www.gordius.be , pictures of the > floorboard > will be added somewhere next week... > I just joined this forum because I'm "curious about the market" too :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] > Sent: maandag 19 februari 2007 16:52 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: ping -midi pedals? > > hello everyone. > > > this is just a heads-up. i have a friend who is building midi pedals. > very cool with relatively small footprints. > > i've been using the fabled Lake Butler Midigator pedal for ten years > or so > and he's curious about the market for something similar with more > ergonomic > switches and smaller footprint. > > here are the basics.. > > 256 (or more) name-able patches with up to 5 dedicated switches per > patch. > > each switch could send any midi command and any combination of midi > commands > over any channel or combination thereof. > > 2 cv pedal inputs for continuos control > > large readable display. > > > > > my questions are: > > 1) anyone interested ? > > 2) how much is something like that worth to you? > > 3) are there needs that are not addressed in the above description? > > thanks > > > > monk@fuse.net > > > www.richordinski.com > > www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic > > --Apple-Mail-1-323414696 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Little Giant - looks like a VERY cool product! I was looking at it yesterday. When will it be available, roughly? Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Feb-07, at 8:06 AM, GORDIUS info wrote: Hi Monk, Do I know you, or do I know your friend ? ;-) It's just because I am kind-of reading the spec of what I have currently designed in your post :-) I'm about to launch the "GORDIUS Little Giant", and indeed I don't need to write down the specs, I can (almost) copy-and-paste from your post : here are the basics.. 250 name-able patches, 250 banks of up to 32 switches linked to any of the patches. each switch could send any midi command and any combination of midi commands over any channel or combination thereof. 2 cv pedal inputs for continuos control large readable display. You can check it out on http://www.gordius.be , pictures of the floorboard will be added somewhere next week... I just joined this forum because I'm "curious about the market" too :-) -----Original Message----- From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] Sent: maandag 19 februari 2007 16:52 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ping -midi pedals? hello everyone. this is just a heads-up. i have a friend who is building midi pedals. very cool with relatively small footprints. i've been using the fabled Lake Butler Midigator pedal for ten years or so and he's curious about the market for something similar with more ergonomic switches and smaller footprint. here are the basics.. 256 (or more) name-able patches with up to 5 dedicated switches per patch. each switch could send any midi command and any combination of midi commands over any channel or combination thereof. 2 cv pedal inputs for continuos control large readable display. my questions are: 1) anyone interested ? 2) how much is something like that worth to you? 3) are there needs that are not addressed in the above description? thanks monk@fuse.net www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic --Apple-Mail-1-323414696-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 16:56:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F15E3BF3F; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:56:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <067b01c75446$e492ac50$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 3 Racks for Sale / Great for Looping Gear and Traveling Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:56:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:56:28 +0000 (UTC) I have three racks for sale, which would make a good home and easy travel companion for EDPs, Looperlative, Repeater, etc. All are in excellence shape. http://www.krispenhartung.com/images/racks.jpg $50 + Shipping: Anvil ATA 3-Space rack (shallow version) - Sells New for $180 $45 + Shipping: Pro Tec Soft 3-Space rack - Sells New for $80 $40 + Shipping: Pro Tec Soft 2-Space rack - Sells new for $70 email me personally if you are interested. info@krispenhartung.com I do PayPal at khartung@cableone.net and my US zipcode is 83702 (if you want to calculate shipping to your zipcode via US Postal Service) Cheers, Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 17:00:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9FAF3BF36; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070219120639.028a8f00@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:07:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: Re: new boomerang In-Reply-To: References: <51016.167.83.10.20.1171896536.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7BFD636C Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Heck, do we really need another chorus pedal? with *dramatic pause* true bypass? Why reinvent the wheel? that said, I'll be very eager to see the new 'rang. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.2/692 - Release Date: 2/18/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 17:40:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9341E3BF24; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:40:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Considering building an ultimate looper... Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:40:47 +0000 Message-Id: <021920071740.9470.45D9E11F0001FB1D000024FE2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9470_1171906847_0" Resent-Message-ID: <2sq5nD.A.6m.iEe2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:40:50 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9470_1171906847_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some trouble. Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. All the same functions. Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!! Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. With 10 or so built in options of layouts. But also capable of custom layouts. 10 gigs of storage. Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic stand. Firewire, or USB connections. Balanced and Unbalanced outs. VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be controlled seamlessly. 1 Rack space under $300 Free 24 hour support line. Now, get busy. MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: "GORDIUS info" > > I'd like to add one question to this : > What kind of (physical) volume control device do you target, Bob? Something > else than a foot pedal? > I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new design for a > MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the "physical range" of > a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have trouble making > small enough movements to change the control value with 1 single step in the > 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't make any sense > when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of controller in > mind? > > (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make it a > non-linear transition curve, I would believe you will get much better > results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, rather than > doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD > conversion). > > Xavier > http://www.gordius.be > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com] > Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... > > Ok, here's some friendly advice. > > Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this list. So far > you've described a rather basic looper, except that you seem to be obsessed > with the resolution of the output level control. In all the wish lists and > product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this is not a feature > that I remember being mentioned. > > If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper market, I would be > much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, synchronization > with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and "editing" functions > like insert, multiply, replace, etc. > > Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not "professional level" is > likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that use it, as well > as the professional level musicians that use other devices and software with > a MIDI volume control. > > Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical ambitions are > being stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal? > > I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better job smoothing > controller changes, or providing a more musically useful attenuation curve > at the top end of the range. But there are software solutions to these > problems that are quite effective if not perfect. > > I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a rather odd > feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money in this > venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market for hardware > loopers. > > Jeff > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9470_1171906847_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some trouble.
Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. All the same functions.
Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!!
Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. With 10 or so built in options of layouts. But also capable of custom layouts.
10 gigs of storage.
Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic stand.
Firewire, or USB connections.
Balanced and Unbalanced outs.
VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be controlled seamlessly.
1 Rack space
under $300
Free 24 hour support line.
 
Now, get busy.
 
 
MFC
 
 
 
 
 
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "GORDIUS info" <info@gordius.be>

>
> I'd like to add one question to this :
> What kind of (physical) volume control device do you target, Bob? Something
> else than a foot pedal?
> I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new design for a
> MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the "physical range" of
> a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have trouble making
> small enough movements to change the control value with 1 single step in the
> 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't make any sense
> when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of controller in
> mind?
>
> (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make it a
> non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you will get much better
> results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, rather than
> doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD
> conversion).
>
> Xavier
> http://www.gordius.be
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com]
> Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper...
>
> Ok, here's some friendly advice.
>
> Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this list. So far
> you've described a rather basic looper, except that you seem to be obsessed
> with the resolution of the output level control. In all the wish lists and
> product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this is not a feature
> that I remember being mentioned.
>
> If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper market, I would be
> much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, synchronization
> with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and "editing" functions
> like insert, multiply, replace, etc.
>
> Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not "professional level" is
> likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that use it, as well
> as the professional level musicians that use other devices and software with
> a MIDI volume control.
>
> Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical ambitions are
> being stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal?
>
> I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better job smoothing
> controller changes, or providing a more musically useful attenuation curve
> at the top end of the range. But there are software soluti ons to these
> problems that are quite effective if not perfect.
>
> I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a rather odd
> feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money in this
> venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market for hardware
> loopers.
>
> Jeff
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9470_1171906847_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 17:43:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00F573BF20; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D98D6F.8050903@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 05:43:43 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <021920071740.9470.45D9E11F0001FB1D000024FE2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <021920071740.9470.45D9E11F0001FB1D000024FE2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020607030102010907050703" Resent-Message-ID: <-GgTMC.A.B1.bHe2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:43:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020607030102010907050703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oooh, and it would be even better if it had /8/ stereo EDPs that could run in or out of sync with eachother... Oh wait, we're describing Mobius again... Ha! :) --Josh midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some trouble. > Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. All the > same functions. > Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!! > Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. With 10 > or so built in options of layouts. But also capable of custom layouts. > 10 gigs of storage. > Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic stand. > Firewire, or USB connections. > Balanced and Unbalanced outs. > VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be > controlled seamlessly. > 1 Rack space > under $300 > Free 24 hour support line. > > Now, get busy. > > > MFC > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "GORDIUS info" > > > > > I'd like to add one question to this : > > What kind of (physical) volume control device do you target, > Bob? Something > > else than a foot pedal? > > I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new design for a > > MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the > "physical range" of > > a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have > trouble making > > small enough movements to change the control value with 1 single > step in the > > 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't make > any sense > > when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of > controller in > > mind? > > > > (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make > it a > > non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you will get much > better > > results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, > rather than > > doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD > > conversion). > > > > Xavier > > http://www.gordius.be > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com] > > Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... > > > > Ok, here's some friendly advice. > > > > Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this > list. So far > > you've described a rather basic looper, except that you seem to > be obsessed > > with the resolution of the output level control. In all the wish > lists and > > product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this is not > a feature > > that I remember being mentioned. > > > > If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper market, I > would be > > much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, > synchronization > > with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and > "editing" functions > > like insert, multiply, replace, etc. > > > > Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not > "professional level" is > > likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that use > it, as well > > as the professional level musicians that use other devices and > software with > > a MIDI volume control. > > > > Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical > ambitions are > > being stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal? > > > > I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better job > smoothing > > controller changes, or providing a more musically useful > attenuation curve > > at the top end of the range. But there are software soluti ons > to these > > problems that are quite effective if not perfect. > > > > I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a > rather odd > > feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money in this > > venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market for > hardware > > loopers. > > > > Jeff > > > --------------020607030102010907050703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oooh, and it would be even better if it had 8 stereo EDPs that could run in or out of sync with eachother...

Oh wait, we're describing Mobius again...

Ha!  :)

--Josh



midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some trouble.
Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. All the same functions.
Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!!
Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. With 10 or so built in options of layouts. But also capable of custom layouts.
10 gigs of storage.
Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic stand.
Firewire, or USB connections.
Balanced and Unbalanced outs.
VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be controlled seamlessly.
1 Rack space
under $300
Free 24 hour support line.
 
Now, get busy.
 
 
MFC
 
 
 
 
 
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "GORDIUS info" <info@gordius.be>

>
> I'd like to add one question to this :
> What kind of (physical) volume control device do you target, Bob? Something
> else than a foot pedal?
> I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new design for a
> MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the "physical range" of
> a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have trouble making
> small enough movements to change the control value with 1 single step in the
> 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't make any sense
> when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of controller in
> mind?
>
> (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make it a
> non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you will get much better
> results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, rather than
> doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD
> conversion).
>
> Xavier
> http://www.gordius.be
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com]
> Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper...
>
> Ok, here's some friendly advice.
>
> Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this list. So far
> you've described a rather basic looper, except that you seem to be obsessed
> with the resolution of the output level control. In all the wish lists and
> product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this is not a feature
> that I remember being mentioned.
>
> If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper market, I would be
> much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, synchronization
> with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and "editing" functions
> like insert, multiply, replace, etc.
>
> Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not "professional level" is
> likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that use it, as well
> as the professional level musicians that use other devices and software with
> a MIDI volume control.
>
> Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical ambitions are
> being stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal?
>
> I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better job smoothing
> controller changes, or providing a more musically useful attenuation curve
> at the top end of the range. But there are software soluti ons to these
> problems that are quite effective if not perfect.
>
> I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a rather odd
> feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money in this
> venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market for hardware
> loopers.
>
> Jeff
>
--------------020607030102010907050703-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 17:54:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3ABA3BF20; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:54:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:53:59 +0000 Message-Id: <021920071753.8972.45D9E437000BD40C0000230C2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8972_1171907639_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:54:02 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8972_1171907639_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, the hardware version wouldn't munch up your CPU. So you could use Ableton Live and all its goodies. And Mac users could use it. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Joshua Carroll Oooh, and it would be even better if it had 8 stereo EDPs that could run in or out of sync with eachother... Oh wait, we're describing Mobius again... Ha! :) --Josh midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some trouble. Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. All the same functions. Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!! Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. With 10 or so built in options of layouts. But also capable of custom layouts. 10 gigs of storage. Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic stand. Firewire, or USB connections. Balanced and Unbalanced outs. VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be controlled seamlessly. 1 Rack space under $300 Free 24 hour support line. Now, get busy. MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: "GORDIUS info" > > I'd like to add one question to this : > What kind of (physical) volume control device do you target, Bob? Something > else than a foot pedal? > I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new design for a > MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the "physical range" of > a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have trouble making > small enough movements to change the control value with 1 single step in the > 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't make any sense > when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of controller in > mind? > > (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make it a > non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you will get much better > results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, rather than > doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD > conversion). > > Xavier > http://www.gordius.be > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com] > Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... > > Ok, here's some friendly advice. > > Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this list. So far > you've described a rather basic looper, except that you seem to be obsessed > with the resolution of the output level control. In all the wish lists and > product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this is not a feature > that I remember being mentioned. > > If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper market, I would be > much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, synchronization > with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and "editing" functions > like insert, multiply, replace, etc. > > Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not "professional level" is > likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that use it, as well > as the professional level musicians that use other devices and software with > a MIDI volume control. > > Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical ambitions are > being stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal? > > I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better job smoothing > controller changes, or providing a more musically useful attenuation curve > at the top end of the range. But there are software soluti ons to these > problems that are quite effective if not perfect. > > I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a rather odd > feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money in this > venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market for hardware > loopers. > > Jeff > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8972_1171907639_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Well, the hardware version wouldn't munch up your CPU. So you could use Ableton Live and all its goodies. And Mac users could use it.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com>
Oooh, and it would be even better if it had 8 stereo EDPs that could run in or out of sync with eachother...

Oh wait, we're describing Mobius again...

Ha!  :)

--Josh



midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some trouble.
Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. All the same functions.
Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!!
Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. With 10 or so built in options of layouts. But also capable of custom layouts.
10 gigs of storage.
Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic stand.
Firewire, or USB connections.
Balanced and Unbalanced outs.
VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be controlled seamlessly.
1 Rack space
under $300
Free 24 hour support line.
 
Now, get busy.
 
 
MFC
 
 
 
 
 
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "GORDIUS info" <info@gordius.be>

>
> I'd like to add one question to this :
> What kind of (physical) volume control device do you target, Bob? Something
> else than a foot pedal?
> I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new design for a
> MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the "physical range" of
> a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have trouble making
> small enough movements to change the control value with 1 single step in the
> 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't make any sense
> when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of controller in
> mind?
>
> (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make it a
> non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you will get much better
> results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, rather than
> doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD
> conversion).
>
> Xavier
> http://www.gordius.be
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com]
> Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper...
>
> Ok, here's some friendly advice.
>
> Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this list. So far > you've described a rather basic looper, except that you seem to be obsessed
> with the resolution of the output level control. In all the wish lists and
> product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this is not a feature
> that I remember being mentioned.
>
> If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper market, I would be
> much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, synchronization
> with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and "editing" functions
> like insert, multiply, replace, etc.
>
> Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not "professional level" is
> likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that use it, as well
> as the professional level musicians that use other devices and software with
> a MIDI volume control.
>
> Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical ambitions are
> bei ng stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal?
>
> I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better job smoothing
> controller changes, or providing a more musically useful attenuation curve
> at the top end of the range. But there are software soluti ons to these
> problems that are quite effective if not perfect.
>
> I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a rather odd
> feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money in this
> venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market for hardware
> loopers.
>
> Jeff
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8972_1171907639_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 18:03:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BA563BF26; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070219120311.nq58frq6socok0so@69.89.21.76> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:03:11 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, midifriedchicken@comcast.net Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <021920071753.8972.45D9E437000BD40C0000230C2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <021920071753.8972.45D9E437000BD40C0000230C2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:03:14 +0000 (UTC) One little feature that I would like... A provision for a remote tempo LED. I could clip the LED to a stand or something at eye level and would not have to look down at the floor for the tempo light. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 18:04:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2D7B3BF20; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D9E6C0.2070503@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:04:48 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <021920071753.8972.45D9E437000BD40C0000230C2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <021920071753.8972.45D9E437000BD40C0000230C2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020403070801050707080309" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:04:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020403070801050707080309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seriously! Not to beat a dead horse, but a hardware Mobius host (even if it was just a mini-PC that boots straight into Mobius with onboard audio/midi i/o) would be incredible. --Josh midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Well, the hardware version wouldn't munch up your CPU. So you could > use Ableton Live and all its goodies. And Mac users could use it. > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Joshua Carroll > Oooh, and it would be even better if it had /8/ stereo EDPs that > could run in or out of sync with eachother... > > Oh wait, we're describing Mobius again... > > Ha! :) > > --Josh > > > > midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: >> I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some >> trouble. >> Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. All >> the same functions. >> Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!! >> Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. >> With 10 or so built in options of layouts. But also capable of >> custom layouts. >> 10 gigs of storage. >> Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic >> stand. >> Firewire, or USB connections. >> Balanced and Unbalanced outs. >> VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be >> controlled seamlessly. >> 1 Rack space >> under $300 >> Free 24 hour support line. >> >> Now, get busy. >> >> >> MFC >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: "GORDIUS info" >> >> > >> > I'd like to add one question to this : >> > What kind of (physical) volume control device do you >> target, Bob? Something >> > else than a foot pedal? >> > I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new design >> for a >> > MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the >> "physical range" of >> > a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I >> have trouble making >> > small enough movements to change the control value with 1 >> single step in the >> > 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't >> make any sense >> > when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of >> controller in >> > mind? >> > >> > (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and >> make it a >> > non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you will get >> much better >> > results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in >> firmware, rather than >> > doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by >> 10-bit AD >> > conversion). >> > >> > Xavier >> > http://www.gordius.be >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com] >> > Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35 >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... >> > >> > Ok, here's some friendly advice. >> > >> > Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this >> list. So far *> you've described a rather basic looper, >> except that you seem to be obsessed >> > with the resolution of the output level control. In all the >> wish lists and >> > product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this is >> not a feature >> > that I remember being mentioned. >> > >> > If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper >> market, I would be >> > much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, >> synchronization >> > with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and >> "editing" functions >> > like insert, multiply, replace, etc. >> > >> > Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not >> "professional level" is >> > likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that >> use it, as well >> > as the professional level musicians that use other devices >> and software with >> > a MIDI volume control. >> > >> > Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical >> ambitions are >> > bei ng stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal? >> > >> > I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better >> job smoothing >> > controller changes, or providing a more musically useful >> attenuation curve >> > at the top end of the range. But there are software soluti >> ons to these >> > problems that are quite effective if not perfect. >> > >> > I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as >> a rather odd >> > feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money >> in this >> > venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the >> market for hardware >> > loopers. >> > >> > Jeff >> > * >> --------------020403070801050707080309 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seriously!  Not to beat a dead horse, but a hardware Mobius host (even if it was just a mini-PC that boots straight into Mobius with onboard audio/midi i/o) would be incredible.

--Josh



midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
Well, the hardware version wouldn't munch up your CPU. So you could use Ableton Live and all its goodies. And Mac users could use it.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com>
Oooh, and it would be even better if it had 8 stereo EDPs that could run in or out of sync with eachother...

Oh wait, we're describing Mobius again...

Ha!  :)

--Josh



midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some trouble.
Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. All the same functions.
Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!!
Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. With 10 or so built in options of layouts. But also capable of custom layouts.
10 gigs of storage.
Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic stand.
Firewire, or USB connections.
Balanced and Unbalanced outs.
VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be controlled seamlessly.
1 Rack space
under $300
Free 24 hour support line.
 
Now, get busy.
 
 
MFC
 
 
 
 
 
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "GORDIUS info" <info@gordius.be>

>
> I'd like to add one question to this :
> What kind of (physical) volume control device do you target, Bob? Something
> else than a foot pedal?
> I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new design for a
> MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the "physical range" of
> a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have trouble making
> small enough movements to change the control value with 1 single step in the
> 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't make any sense
> when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of controller in
> mind?
>
> (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make it a
> non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you will get much better
> results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, rather than
> doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD
> conversion).
>
> Xavier
> http://www.gordius.be
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com]
> Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper...
>
> Ok, here's some friendly advice.
>
> Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this list. So far > you've described a rather basic looper, except that you seem to be obsessed
> with the resolution of the output level control. In all the wish lists and
> product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this is not a feature
> that I remember being mentioned.
>
> If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper market, I would be
> much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, synchronization
> with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and "editing" functions
> like insert, multiply, replace, etc.
>
> Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not "professional level" is
> likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that use it, as well
> as the professional level musicians that use other devices and software with
> a MIDI volume control.
>
> Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical ambitions are
> bei ng stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal?
>
> I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better job smoothing
> controller changes, or providing a more musically useful attenuation curve
> at the top end of the range. But there are software soluti ons to these
> problems that are quite effective if not perfect.
>
> I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a rather odd
> feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money in this
> venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market for hardware
> loopers.
>
> Jeff
>
--------------020403070801050707080309-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 18:05:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 762E33BF34; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=htwo5gcbw6lUHOJ4VYkCKMEgCfnMvCDBGiX8WIZJ70kpLmaN2YUZhEMO/lhSPde/V/gtmvlM2ZgfmZ1q4yrDXMQeGcM1IJn8I1sFwnKwplTIExa36oAwg69N0E9ImoEsc77MnGHx1BoCETEJPKaRs6UvNSv6IHQXyvfxHaiFdO4= Message-ID: <3fa302e30702191005o40f7b0act3304bea5bfe570bf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:05:14 -0800 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loopers digest frequency query In-Reply-To: <45D99891.3010008@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_34055_7553134.1171908314661" References: <022401c753c8$4b2307a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <45D99891.3010008@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:05:16 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_34055_7553134.1171908314661 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline To add to what Andy said about threading: I've switched to gmail, somewhat reluctantly, but after using it for a month or so find it really organized in ways Outlook and other web-based programs are not. Besides being able to filter specific items into folders, the conversations are threaded and look like a single email, with a numeral to specify how many responses there have been. They're all in order, and folded up so they take up little space. You can click on individual responses to maximize them and read the entire thread to refresh your memory. It's the best I've seen and very nicely removes spam as well. There's only been one "real" email grabbed by the spam filter among hundreds (maybe more!) of emails. Finally, a web-based mail program sidesteps most of the viruses that opportunistically take advantage of the MS Outlook program. I'd much rather get individual emails and have them specifically stacked in their threads than have them buried in digests. check it out . . . RICK WALKER wrote: > > Today I recieved five different loopers delight daily digests, four of > them with just two or three posts in them. I was under the impression that > this was a daily digest. Why do we get long single ones and then some days > of multiple lists with > > very few posts? I'm not bent out of shape, just curious. with > respect, Rick > ------=_Part_34055_7553134.1171908314661 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
To add to what Andy said about threading:  I've switched to gmail, somewhat reluctantly, but after using it for a month or so find it really organized in ways Outlook and other web-based programs are not. 

Besides being able to filter specific items into folders, the conversations are threaded and look like a single email, with a numeral to specify how many responses there have been.  They're all in order, and folded up so they take up little space.  You can click on individual responses to maximize them and read the entire thread to refresh your memory.  It's the best I've seen and very nicely removes spam as well.  There's only been one "real" email grabbed by the spam filter among hundreds (maybe more!) of emails.

Finally, a web-based mail program sidesteps most of the viruses that opportunistically take advantage of the MS Outlook program.

I'd much rather get individual emails and have them specifically stacked in their threads than have them buried in digests.

check it out . . .

RICK WALKER wrote:
> Today I recieved five different loopers delight daily digests, four of them with just two or three posts in them.  I was under the impression that this was a daily digest.  Why do we get long single ones and then some days of multiple lists with
> very few posts?  I'm not bent out of shape,  just curious.  with respect,  Rick
------=_Part_34055_7553134.1171908314661-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 18:07:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 061FC3BF15; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:07:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=keClnzr6rzslrMSoVgvQwn7lC6hiEbM3KiVksWz7vFXePJ/FwM5tdsIEsoyiWEPn; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:Thread-Index:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: "ejyuhas" To: "'LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)'" Subject: Mixer Send-Return Question (OT?) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:07:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C75426.F26C4220" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdUUNl6liTYdGNMRZ+T56pDs32ogw== Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bca5d8754d8e499845563ac2b279aa6b59350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.69.121.225 Resent-Message-ID: <5ixhjB.A.PAC.xde2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:07:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C75426.F26C4220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings fellow musicians. I know some of you have mixers in your rigs and use the SEND-RETURN connections to post-process loops, send effects, etc. I acquired an Alesis Nanoverb that I wish to use to mangle or slowly decay some of my loopage. I'm using a Yamaha MG10/2 mixer. However, when I connect it to my mixer, I get no green signal light, lighting up to show me that anything is going thru the Nanoverb. Mind you, when I plug directly into the Nanoverb with my electric guitar, it works like a charm. Am I doing something wrong with my hookups? Balanced or unbalanced cables? (Currentl;y using balanced for the Send-Return cons.) Any ideas? Thanks for reading. Ed in NJ http://www.myspace.com/edward_yuhas ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C75426.F26C4220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings fellow = musicians…

 

I know some of you have mixers in your rigs and use = the SEND-RETURN connections to post-process loops, send effects, = etc.

 

I acquired an Alesis Nanoverb that I wish to use to = mangle or slowly decay some of my loopage. I’m using a Yamaha MG10/2 = mixer.

 

However, when I connect it to my mixer, I get no = green signal light, lighting up to show me that anything is going thru the = Nanoverb.

 

Mind you, when I plug directly into the Nanoverb with = my electric guitar, it works like a charm.

 

Am I doing something wrong with my hookups? Balanced = or unbalanced cables? (Currentl;y using balanced for the Send-Return = cons.)

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks for = reading…

 

Ed in NJ

http://www.myspace.com/edwar= d_yuhas

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C75426.F26C4220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 18:12:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C694F3BF3C; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06c501c75451$7e38e310$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <021920071740.9470.45D9E11F0001FB1D000024FE2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:12:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06C2_01C75416.D108B150" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:12:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06C2_01C75416.D108B150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just curious...a lot of these VST effect programs out there are = emuations of hardware, like the Lexicon PSP84 and 42...they look just = like the rack mount units, same knobs, etc. How much do you think it = would cost for someone to create a VST version of the EDP, but in = stereo? I'm sure Andy or Mathias would know, as they built VST effects = themselves and know the EDP inside and out. How much $$ are we talking? = $10K? More? Less? It think it would be so cool to be able to see that = EDP face-place in a VST control panel....or the Looperlative, or = Repeater....all would be a great VST module. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: Considering building an ultimate looper... I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some = trouble.=20 Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. All the = same functions.=20 Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!! Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. With 10 = or so built in options of layouts. But also capable of custom layouts.=20 10 gigs of storage.=20 Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic stand. = Firewire, or USB connections.=20 Balanced and Unbalanced outs.=20 VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be = controlled seamlessly.=20 1 Rack space under $300 Free 24 hour support line.=20 Now, get busy.=20 MFC -------------- Original message --------------=20 From: "GORDIUS info" =20 >=20 > I'd like to add one question to this :=20 > What kind of (physical) volume control device do you target, Bob? = Something=20 > else than a foot pedal?=20 > I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new design for a=20 > MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the "physical = range" of=20 > a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have = trouble making=20 > small enough movements to change the control value with 1 single = step in the=20 > 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't make = any sense=20 > when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of = controller in=20 > mind?=20 >=20 > (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make = it a=20 > non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you will get much = better=20 > results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, = rather than=20 > doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit = AD=20 > conversion).=20 >=20 > Xavier=20 > http://www.gordius.be=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com]=20 > Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35=20 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 > Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper...=20 >=20 > Ok, here's some friendly advice.=20 >=20 > Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this list. = So far=20 > you've described a rather basic looper, except that you seem to be = obsessed=20 > with the resolution of the output level control. In all the wish = lists and=20 > product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this is not a = feature=20 > that I remember being mentioned.=20 >=20 > If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper market, I = would be=20 > much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, = synchronization=20 > with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and "editing" = functions=20 > like insert, multiply, replace, etc.=20 >=20 > Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not "professional = level" is=20 > likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that use it, = as well=20 > as the professional level musicians that use other devices and = software with=20 > a MIDI volume control.=20 >=20 > Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical ambitions = are=20 > being stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal?=20 >=20 > I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better job = smoothing=20 > controller changes, or providing a more musically useful = attenuation curve=20 > at the top end of the range. But there are software soluti ons to = these=20 > problems that are quite effective if not perfect.=20 >=20 > I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a = rather odd=20 > feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money in = this=20 > venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market for = hardware=20 > loopers.=20 >=20 > Jeff=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_06C2_01C75416.D108B150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just curious...a lot of these VST = effect programs=20 out there are emuations of hardware, like the Lexicon PSP84 and = 42...they look=20 just like the rack mount units, same knobs, etc. How much do you think = it would=20 cost for someone to create a VST version of the EDP, but in = stereo?  I'm=20 sure Andy or Mathias would know, as they built VST effects themselves = and know=20 the EDP inside and out.  How much $$ are we talking?  $10K? = More?=20 Less?  It think it would be so cool to be able to see that EDP = face-place=20 in a VST control panel....or the Looperlative, or Repeater....all would = be a=20 great VST module.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 midifriedchicken@comcast.net= =20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 = 10:40=20 AM
Subject: RE: Considering = building an=20 ultimate looper...

I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some = trouble.=20
Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. All = the=20 same functions.
Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!!
Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. = With 10 or=20 so built in options of layouts. But also capable of custom layouts. =
10 gigs of storage.
Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic = stand.=20
Firewire, or USB connections.
Balanced and Unbalanced outs.
VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be=20 controlled seamlessly.
1 Rack space
under $300
Free 24 hour support line.
 
Now, get busy.
 
 
MFC
 
 
 
 
 
 
--------------=20 Original message --------------
From: "GORDIUS info"=20 <info@gordius.be>

>
> I'd like to add one = question=20 to this :
> What kind of (physical) volume control device do = you=20 target, Bob? Something
> else than a foot pedal?
> I'm = asking,=20 because I am currently testing out a new design for a
>=20 MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the "physical = range" of=20
> a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I = have=20 trouble making
> small enough movements to change the control = value=20 with 1 single step in the
> 128-value range. Therefore I = believe a=20 10-bit ADC wouldn't make any sense
> when using a footpedal, = but=20 maybe you have another type of controller in
> mind?
> =
> (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and = make it=20 a
> non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you will = get much=20 better
> results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in=20 firmware, rather than
> doing it with some analog signal = manipulation=20 followed by 10-bit AD
> conversion).
>
> Xavier =
> http://www.gordius.be
>
>
> = -----Original=20 Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Larson = [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com]=20
> Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35
> To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: = Considering=20 building an ultimate looper...
>
> Ok, here's some = friendly=20 advice.
>
> Be careful tossing out words like = "ultimate=20 looper" on this list. So far
> you've described a rather = basic=20 looper, except that you seem to be obsessed
> with the = resolution of=20 the output level control. In all the wish lists and
> product = reviews=20 that appear regularly on this list, this is not a feature
> = that I=20 remember being mentioned.
>
> If you're intending to = compete=20 in the hardware looper market, I would be
> much more = concerned about=20 things like continuous feedback, synchronization
> with = external MIDI=20 clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and "editing" functions
> = like=20 insert, multiply, replace, etc.
>
> Second, the = insinuation=20 that the Looperlative is not "professional level" is
> likely = to=20 annoy the many professional level musicians that use it, as well =
> as=20 the professional level musicians that use other devices and software = with=20
> a MIDI volume control.
>
> Quick show of = hands. Does=20 anyone find that their musical ambitions are
> being stymied = by the=20 resolution of their volume pedal?
>
> I don't doubt = that there=20 are devices that could do a better job smoothing
> controller = changes, or providing a more musically useful attenuation curve =
> at=20 the top end of the range. But there are software soluti ons to these =
> problems that are quite effective if not perfect.
> =
>=20 I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a rather = odd=20
> feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money = in this=20
> venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the = market for=20 hardware
> loopers.
>
> Jeff
>=20 ------=_NextPart_000_06C2_01C75416.D108B150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 18:15:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AE933BF25; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:15:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06e001c75451$e41b5870$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <021920071753.8972.45D9E437000BD40C0000230C2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <45D9E6C0.2070503@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:15:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06DD_01C75417.36E07850" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:15:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06DD_01C75417.36E07850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We are on to looping nirvana here...a hardware Mobius, a VST EDP and = Looperlative.....I'd donate to the pool of development dollars for a VST = Looperlative or EDP. Not that Mobius isn't the greatest thing since = sliced bread...I'm just looping VST greedy. I'm run them all in my VST = host! Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joshua Carroll=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... Seriously! Not to beat a dead horse, but a hardware Mobius host (even = if it was just a mini-PC that boots straight into Mobius with onboard = audio/midi i/o) would be incredible. --Josh midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:=20 Well, the hardware version wouldn't munch up your CPU. So you could = use Ableton Live and all its goodies. And Mac users could use it.=20 -------------- Original message --------------=20 From: Joshua Carroll =20 Oooh, and it would be even better if it had 8 stereo EDPs that = could run in or out of sync with eachother... Oh wait, we're describing Mobius again... Ha! :) --Josh midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:=20 I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some = trouble.=20 Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. = All the same functions.=20 Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!! Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. = With 10 or so built in options of layouts. But also capable of custom = layouts.=20 10 gigs of storage.=20 Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic = stand.=20 Firewire, or USB connections.=20 Balanced and Unbalanced outs.=20 VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be = controlled seamlessly.=20 1 Rack space under $300 Free 24 hour support line.=20 Now, get busy.=20 MFC -------------- Original message --------------=20 From: "GORDIUS info" =20 >=20 > I'd like to add one question to this :=20 > What kind of (physical) volume control device do you target, = Bob? Something=20 > else than a foot pedal?=20 > I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new design = for a=20 > MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the = "physical range" of=20 > a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have = trouble making=20 > small enough movements to change the control value with 1 = single step in the=20 > 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't = make any sense=20 > when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of = controller in=20 > mind?=20 >=20 > (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and = make it a=20 > non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you will get = much better=20 > results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in = firmware, rather than=20 > doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by = 10-bit AD=20 > conversion).=20 >=20 > Xavier=20 > http://www.gordius.be=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com]=20 > Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35=20 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 > Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper...=20 >=20 > Ok, here's some friendly advice.=20 >=20 > Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this = list. So far > you've described a rather basic looper, except that you = seem to be obsessed=20 > with the resolution of the output level control. In all the = wish lists and=20 > product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this is = not a feature=20 > that I remember being mentioned.=20 >=20 > If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper = market, I would be=20 > much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, = synchronization=20 > with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and = "editing" functions=20 > like insert, multiply, replace, etc.=20 >=20 > Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not = "professional level" is=20 > likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that = use it, as well=20 > as the professional level musicians that use other devices = and software with=20 > a MIDI volume control.=20 >=20 > Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical = ambitions are=20 > bei ng stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal?=20 >=20 > I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better = job smoothing=20 > controller changes, or providing a more musically useful = attenuation curve=20 > at the top end of the range. But there are software soluti = ons to these=20 > problems that are quite effective if not perfect.=20 >=20 > I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a = rather odd=20 > feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money = in this=20 > venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market = for hardware=20 > loopers.=20 >=20 > Jeff=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_06DD_01C75417.36E07850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We are on to looping nirvana here...a = hardware=20 Mobius, a VST EDP and Looperlative.....I'd donate to the pool of = development=20 dollars for a VST Looperlative or EDP. Not that Mobius isn't the = greatest thing=20 since sliced bread...I'm just looping VST greedy. I'm run them all in my = VST=20 host!
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joshua=20 Carroll
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 = 11:04=20 AM
Subject: Re: Considering = building an=20 ultimate looper...

Seriously!  Not to beat a dead horse, but a = hardware=20 Mobius host (even if it was just a mini-PC that boots straight into = Mobius=20 with onboard audio/midi i/o) would be=20 incredible.

--Josh



midifriedchicken@comcast.net= =20 wrote:=20
Well, the hardware version wouldn't munch up your CPU. So you = could use=20 Ableton Live and all its goodies. And Mac users could use it. =
 
--------------=20 Original message --------------
From: Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com>=20
Oooh, and it would be even better if it had 8 stereo = EDPs that=20 could run in or out of sync with eachother...

Oh wait, = we're=20 describing Mobius again...

Ha! =20 :)

--Josh



midifriedchicken@comcast.net= =20 wrote:=20
I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you = some=20 trouble.
Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) = Echoplex. All=20 the same functions.
Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!!
Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except = smaller. With=20 10 or so built in options of layouts. But also capable of custom = layouts.
10 gigs of storage.
Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a = mic=20 stand.
Firewire, or USB connections.
Balanced and Unbalanced outs.
VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's = and be=20 controlled seamlessly.
1 Rack space
under $300
Free 24 hour support line.
 
Now, get busy.
 
 
MFC
 
 
 
 
 
 
--------------=20 Original message --------------
From: "GORDIUS info" <info@gordius.be> =

>=20
> I'd like to add one question to this :
> What = kind of=20 (physical) volume control device do you target, Bob? Something =
> else than a foot pedal?
> I'm asking, because = I am=20 currently testing out a new design for a
> = MIDI-controlled foot=20 pedal. And to me it seems that the "physical range" of =
> a=20 standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have = trouble=20 making
> small enough movements to change the control = value=20 with 1 single step in the
> 128-value range. Therefore = I=20 believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't make any sense
> when = using a=20 footpedal, but maybe you have another type of controller in =
>=20 mind?
>
> (if you intend to manipulate the = linear=20 footpedal range and make it a
> non-linear transition = cur ve, I=20 would believe you will get much better
> results just = using a=20 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, rather than
> = doing it=20 with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD =
>=20 conversion).
>
> Xavier
> http://www.gordius.be =
>=20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = Jeffrey=20 Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com]=20
> Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35
> To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
> Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate = looper...=20
>
> Ok, here's some friendly advice.
> =
>=20 Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this = list. So=20 far > you've described a rather basic looper, = except that=20 you seem to be obsessed
> with the resolution of the = output=20 level control. In all the wish lists and
> product = reviews that=20 appear regularly on this list, this is not a feature
> = that I=20 remember being mentioned.
>
> If you're = intending to=20 compete in the hardware looper market, I would be
> = much more=20 concerned about things like continuous feedback, = synchronization=20
> with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, = and=20 "editing" functions
> like insert, multiply, replace, = etc.=20
>
> Second, the insinuation that the = Looperlative is not=20 "professional level" is
> likely to annoy the many = professional=20 level musicians that use it, as well
> as the = professional=20 level musicians that use other devices and software with =
> a=20 MIDI volume control.
>
> Quick show of hands. = Does=20 anyone find that their musical ambitions are
> bei ng = stymied=20 by the resolution of their volume pedal?
>
> I = don't=20 doubt that there are devices that could do a better job = smoothing=20
> controller changes, or providing a more musically = useful=20 attenuation curve
> at the top end of the range. But = there are=20 software soluti ons to these
> problems that are quite=20 effective if not perfect.
>
> I don't mean to = sound=20 discouraging, but this strikes me as a rather odd
> = feature to=20 be focusing on. Before you start investing money in this =
>=20 venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market = for=20 hardware
> loopers.
>
> Jeff
>=20 =
------=_NextPart_000_06DD_01C75417.36E07850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 18:18:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB7113BF28; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070219121828.hl982uld4o884koc@69.89.21.76> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:18:28 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer Send-Return Question (OT?) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Quoting ejyuhas : > However, when I connect it to my mixer, I get no green signal light, > lighting up to show me that anything is going thru the Nanoverb. > > Am I doing something wrong with my hookups? Balanced or unbalanced cables? > (Currentl;y using balanced for the Send-Return cons.) A few things to check: . Is your send-pot turned up? . Are you plugged into a send or an insert? (inserts work a differently) . Is your return level turned up? Start out by trying to get a signal from the mixer (send) to your Nanoverb. Try a different patch cord (the one you are using might be broken). Try a different send. Perhaps your send broken. Once that is working, then patch the Nano into a return. If one return doesn't work, try another one. Also, switch patchcords. Check the position of any mute or solo switches, too. I am not familiar with your specific mixer however these are some general things to check. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 18:36:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD2443BF24; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:36:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=N3ERaZYJW/EA/0xw2ih9dy9pzmELLKYVbNRmYbZEmNJHgRRW70KMDXeRUF06sqnX3ZSz41i5Epx+LoR9uVfGtqeelmkajo4V//3ew5JJvqpRiL/yqgKpqBYoKsY6P0zUVsgBkRxo2wampTGs2/Bm5KF3MfRMa10zdA6P0LXL3yA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070219163905.44624.qmail@web52711.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20070219163905.44624.qmail@web52711.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:36:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:36:14 +0000 (UTC) On 19 feb 2007, at 17.39, x031661-loopers@yahoo.com wrote: > I'm surprised it's not a standard feature in any looper that allows > multiple loops and is performance oriented. The Looperlative can do that. If you can can dig up a used Repeater it also does it... in a way. In software you can use Mobius for that. > I guess most of the time I've hear performers use loopers it seems > to be used this way - one continuously building loop. Well, we all have to start somewhere ;-)) Keep going to looping concerts and you will hear different stuff as well. > Or they just use it as a backing track to solo over in the middle > of the song. I bet you heard that at some music trade show? > It sounds like the EDP would be ideal though. Yes, if you can live with mono. But the EDP doesn't play multiple loops in parallel, only in a linear way. Otherwise two matched units would do (as would Mobius - both linear and parallel, if you don't mind bringing a computer for the hardware). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 19:02:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 687F93BF3C; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=oYalaxQWv/Zc6MdJdSfaxGCwj1cg5MJKVeNvoMv45qFQ/Zc867EJ1Im4dtxQvYEsVDLPFlNjBd11kqfzx7inQWIv9+xw4GPJK/QeSifHz2Pq2AlDLm4eKUDoaMf28FtxwWxTn32FPkFl9aduzwD67Nft3xamBRMUu81hM7XpeVk= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:02:44 +0100 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: show me yours and i'll show you mine... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_33361_31702321.1171911764144" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:02:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_33361_31702321.1171911764144 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi folks, what about posting pictures of your rig? there is probably not one alike out there. Im interested in what experiences people have, specially in operating in strereo /mono use of fx before/after looper, regarding monitoring, use of microphones in a loop setup etc etc... use of laptop/ software in this context heres mine http://skages.blogspot.com/2007/01/gibsonoberheim-echoplex-digital-pro.html anyone? -- Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_Part_33361_31702321.1171911764144 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hi folks,  what about posting pictures of your rig? there is probably not one alike out there. Im interested in what experiences people have, specially in operating in strereo /mono use of fx before/after looper,  regarding monitoring, use of microphones in a loop setup etc etc... use of laptop/ software in this context
 
heres mine 
 
 
anyone?

--
Arne R. Skage jr.

91157204
arne@skage.com
www.skage.com
------=_Part_33361_31702321.1171911764144-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 19:18:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EEF03BF2D; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DA063B.4030803@imt.net> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:19:07 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <021920071753.8972.45D9E437000BD40C0000230C2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <45D9E6C0.2070503@infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <45D9E6C0.2070503@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_X583.A.MBF.6ff2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:18:18 +0000 (UTC) This type of thing always comes to my mind of course. Years ago I designed a program on the PC called "MIDI Network manager". And wrote a good chunk of it. I wrote a big interrupt routine in C that would process incoming messages and generate outgoing messages in accordance with information in the current patch. It could do things like allow the user to call up a patch which would send chord charts to little displays each musician would have even... and allow just about any arbitrary thing you can imagine...like for a certain song allow a keyboard player at the end of the stream to control the volume of the drummer with his mod wheel :-).. or the drummer to construct a more perfet hi-hat cymbal; setting up a velocity/ position table that would trigger the appropriate sample for that situation and it would track velocity of the closure and generate an accurate velocity. I moved during after completing that part and contemplating the user interface and was planning on boxing a small 386-33 pc board I had with a short input card that would have 16 trigger inputs and 4 pedal inputs. I finished the first part back in the mid-90's but experienced just wholesale hardship in my life; losing money trying to build PC's for people at the time and getting ripped off by people in Eugene, OR where one person's *reality* affirms that they owe you no money because you really owed it to them even though you never met them before. .... hehe. So anyway after getting things back on track financially here in Bozeman, MT where people usually feel that they owe you something for services rendered for some lunatic reason.... I discovered that I could find a copy of every stupid driver for a mouse that I had ever owned..but I could not find the backups of that program! Oh well..naturally..after all i spent more time on it than anything else. It had to be the one thing to absolutely dispappear. Grief... Anyway definitely sounds like it might be a great direction to create a more hardware version of the mobius thing working in conjunction with him. I'll try to research that as soon as I get a few things done I'm working on here. -Bob Joshua Carroll wrote: > Seriously! Not to beat a dead horse, but a hardware Mobius host (even > if it was just a mini-PC that boots straight into Mobius with onboard > audio/midi i/o) would be incredible. > > --Josh > > > > midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > >> Well, the hardware version wouldn't munch up your CPU. So you could >> use Ableton Live and all its goodies. And Mac users could use it. >> >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: Joshua Carroll >> Oooh, and it would be even better if it had /8/ stereo EDPs that >> could run in or out of sync with eachother... >> >> Oh wait, we're describing Mobius again... >> >> Ha! :) >> >> --Josh >> >> >> >> midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some >>> trouble. >>> Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. >>> All the same functions. >>> Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!! >>> Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. >>> With 10 or so built in options of layouts. But also capable of >>> custom layouts. >>> 10 gigs of storage. >>> Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic >>> stand. >>> Firewire, or USB connections. >>> Balanced and Unbalanced outs. >>> VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be >>> controlled seamlessly. >>> 1 Rack space >>> under $300 >>> Free 24 hour support line. >>> >>> Now, get busy. >>> >>> >>> MFC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------- Original message -------------- >>> From: "GORDIUS info" >>> >>> > >>> > I'd like to add one question to this : >>> > What kind of (physical) volume control device do you >>> target, Bob? Something >>> > else than a foot pedal? >>> > I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new >>> design for a >>> > MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the >>> "physical range" of >>> > a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I >>> have trouble making >>> > small enough movements to change the control value with 1 >>> single step in the >>> > 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't >>> make any sense >>> > when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of >>> controller in >>> > mind? >>> > >>> > (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range >>> and make it a >>> > non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you will get >>> much better >>> > results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in >>> firmware, rather than >>> > doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by >>> 10-bit AD >>> > conversion). >>> > >>> > Xavier >>> > http://www.gordius.be >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com] >>> > Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35 >>> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> > Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... >>> > >>> > Ok, here's some friendly advice. >>> > >>> > Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on >>> this list. So far *> you've described a rather basic looper, >>> except that you seem to be obsessed >>> > with the resolution of the output level control. In all >>> the wish lists and >>> > product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this >>> is not a feature >>> > that I remember being mentioned. >>> > >>> > If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper >>> market, I would be >>> > much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, >>> synchronization >>> > with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and >>> "editing" functions >>> > like insert, multiply, replace, etc. >>> > >>> > Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not >>> "professional level" is >>> > likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that >>> use it, as well >>> > as the professional level musicians that use other devices >>> and software with >>> > a MIDI volume control. >>> > >>> > Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical >>> ambitions are >>> > bei ng stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal? >>> > >>> > I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a >>> better job smoothing >>> > controller changes, or providing a more musically useful >>> attenuation curve >>> > at the top end of the range. But there are software soluti >>> ons to these >>> > problems that are quite effective if not perfect. >>> > >>> > I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as >>> a rather odd >>> > feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing >>> money in this >>> > venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the >>> market for hardware >>> > loopers. >>> > >>> > Jeff >>> > * >>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 19:19:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DBD73BF43; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:19:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45D9F824.5040403@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:19:00 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <021920071753.8972.45D9E437000BD40C0000230C2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <45D9E6C0.2070503@infinivert.com> <06e001c75451$e41b5870$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <06e001c75451$e41b5870$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000905030302060208080709" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:19:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000905030302060208080709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heck, I'd be happy to have a VST or standalone version of Mobius that would run on OS X, exactly the way it already works on Windows... Krispen Hartung wrote: > We are on to looping nirvana here...a hardware Mobius, a VST EDP and > Looperlative.....I'd donate to the pool of development dollars for a > VST Looperlative or EDP. Not that Mobius isn't the greatest thing > since sliced bread...I'm just looping VST greedy. I'm run them all in > my VST host! > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Joshua Carroll > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* Monday, February 19, 2007 11:04 AM > *Subject:* Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... > > Seriously! Not to beat a dead horse, but a hardware Mobius host > (even if it was just a mini-PC that boots straight into Mobius > with onboard audio/midi i/o) would be incredible. > > --Josh > > > > midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: >> Well, the hardware version wouldn't munch up your CPU. So you >> could use Ableton Live and all its goodies. And Mac users could >> use it. >> >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: Joshua Carroll >> Oooh, and it would be even better if it had /8/ stereo EDPs >> that could run in or out of sync with eachother... >> >> Oh wait, we're describing Mobius again... >> >> Ha! :) >> >> --Josh >> >> >> >> midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: >>> I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you >>> some trouble. >>> Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) >>> Echoplex. All the same functions. >>> Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!! >>> Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except >>> smaller. With 10 or so built in options of layouts. But also >>> capable of custom layouts. >>> 10 gigs of storage. >>> Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a >>> mic stand. >>> Firewire, or USB connections. >>> Balanced and Unbalanced outs. >>> VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's >>> and be controlled seamlessly. >>> 1 Rack space >>> under $300 >>> Free 24 hour support line. >>> >>> Now, get busy. >>> >>> >>> MFC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------- Original message -------------- >>> From: "GORDIUS info" >>> >>> > >>> > I'd like to add one question to this : >>> > What kind of (physical) volume control device do you >>> target, Bob? Something >>> > else than a foot pedal? >>> > I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new >>> design for a >>> > MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that >>> the "physical range" of >>> > a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : >>> I have trouble making >>> > small enough movements to change the control value >>> with 1 single step in the >>> > 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC >>> wouldn't make any sense >>> > when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another >>> type of controller in >>> > mind? >>> > >>> > (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal >>> range and make it a >>> > non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you will >>> get much better >>> > results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in >>> firmware, rather than >>> > doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed >>> by 10-bit AD >>> > conversion). >>> > >>> > Xavier >>> > http://www.gordius.be >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com] >>> > Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35 >>> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> > Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... >>> > >>> > Ok, here's some friendly advice. >>> > >>> > Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on >>> this list. So far *> you've described a rather basic >>> looper, except that you seem to be obsessed >>> > with the resolution of the output level control. In >>> all the wish lists and >>> > product reviews that appear regularly on this list, >>> this is not a feature >>> > that I remember being mentioned. >>> > >>> > If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper >>> market, I would be >>> > much more concerned about things like continuous >>> feedback, synchronization >>> > with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, >>> and "editing" functions >>> > like insert, multiply, replace, etc. >>> > >>> > Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not >>> "professional level" is >>> > likely to annoy the many professional level musicians >>> that use it, as well >>> > as the professional level musicians that use other >>> devices and software with >>> > a MIDI volume control. >>> > >>> > Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their >>> musical ambitions are >>> > bei ng stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal? >>> > >>> > I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a >>> better job smoothing >>> > controller changes, or providing a more musically >>> useful attenuation curve >>> > at the top end of the range. But there are software >>> soluti ons to these >>> > problems that are quite effective if not perfect. >>> > >>> > I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes >>> me as a rather odd >>> > feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing >>> money in this >>> > venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the >>> market for hardware >>> > loopers. >>> > >>> > Jeff >>> > * >>> --------------000905030302060208080709 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heck, I'd be happy to have a VST or standalone version of Mobius that would run on OS X, exactly the way it already works on Windows...

Krispen Hartung wrote:
We are on to looping nirvana here...a hardware Mobius, a VST EDP and Looperlative.....I'd donate to the pool of development dollars for a VST Looperlative or EDP. Not that Mobius isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread...I'm just looping VST greedy. I'm run them all in my VST host!
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper...

Seriously!  Not to beat a dead horse, but a hardware Mobius host (even if it was just a mini-PC that boots straight into Mobius with onboard audio/midi i/o) would be incredible.

--Josh



midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
Well, the hardware version wouldn't munch up your CPU. So you could use Ableton Live and all its goodies. And Mac users could use it.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com>
Oooh, and it would be even better if it had 8 stereo EDPs that could run in or out of sync with eachother...

Oh wait, we're describing Mobius again...

Ha!  :)

--Josh



midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some trouble.
Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. All the same functions.
Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!!
Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. With 10 or so built in options of layouts. But also capable of custom layouts.
10 gigs of storage.
Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic stand.
Firewire, or USB connections.
Balanced and Unbalanced outs.
VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be controlled seamlessly.
1 Rack space
under $300
Free 24 hour support line.
 
Now, get busy.
 
 
MFC
 
 
 
 
 
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "GORDIUS info" <info@gordius.be>

>
> I'd like to add one question to this :
> What kind of (physical) volume control device do you target, Bob? Something
> else than a foot pedal?
> I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new design for a
> MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the "physical range" of
> a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have trouble making
> small enough movements to change the control value with 1 single step in the
> 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't make any sense
> when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of controller in
> mind?
>
> (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make it a
> non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you will get much better
> results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, rather than
> doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD
> conversion).
>
> Xavier
> http://www.gordius.be
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com]
> Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper...
>
> Ok, here's some friendly advice.
>
> Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this list. So far > you've described a rather basic looper, except that you seem to be obsessed
> with the resolution of the output level control. In all the wish lists and
> product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this is not a feature
> that I remember being mentioned.
>
> If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper market, I would be
> much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, synchronization
> with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and "editing" functions
> like insert, multiply, replace, etc.
>
> Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not "professional level" is
> likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that use it, as well
> as the professional level musicians that use other devices and software with
> a MIDI volume control.
>
> Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical ambitions are
> bei ng stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal?
>
> I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better job smoothing
> controller changes, or providing a more musically useful attenuation curve
> at the top end of the range. But there are software soluti ons to these
> problems that are quite effective if not perfect.
>
> I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a rather odd
> feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money in this
> venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market for hardware
> loopers.
>
> Jeff
>
--------------000905030302060208080709-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 19:21:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 076003BF28; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:21:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aAJ5JWsgITEdhJJ6WcnSxgxvh07gra7ZNqpqJk4U7UC6JaT7NLVkovb9XyZ8QNV1Zc30oDPNV44lb8JV8/Ccv9NZN1MShOAF7GYeFOguZCwswX3L6D7GLGw62Lv8jb21POxScsqRpwzzu4Hr8822s0ukCZq8MYkpRO00TrJMS6k= ; Message-ID: <20070219192100.30062.qmail@web53002.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: wgBFYOwVM1lyeyNHbmjt5OgB3__zIr8uEw9d6RRkdhc5yAAsSIwaSD3zVSGRC2cuHeD3m_zodumUh.LO9k7wIuE8Zas8Odk6j6DDgZRKTfWLFmqLzb1UzFtaDsPLt.lCAK078a1ePVUv3CraecRctxeA Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:21:00 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <747088.78843.qm@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1653989786-1171912860=:29839" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:21:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-1653989786-1171912860=:29839 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nope, to save a loop on the RC20, you have to stop the loop first. The 11 loop slots would only be useful if you were interested in playing back pre-recorded loops. Stephen x031661-loopers@yahoo.com wrote: So you never find yourself needed to loop a chorus after looping the verse and wanting to come back to the looped verse? If I remember right, the RC20 allows for 10 loops. Any idea if you can save a loop to one of the those 10 slots, do a brand new loop and then come back to the first loop all withing the context of a single song? That is, without stopping? ----- Original Message ---- From: Chris Smart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:12:33 AM Subject: Re: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem To offer a different opinion, again just based on what I do live, I use a Boss RC20 for playing solo jazz. I play the chords or a bass line in, then play or solo on top of it. So, admittedly, I'm not using most of the features of the unit and just need something to record myself, that is controlled by my feet. Chris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.2/692 - Release Date: 2/18/2007 --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. --0-1653989786-1171912860=:29839 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nope, to save a loop on the RC20, you have to stop the loop first.  The 11 loop slots would only be useful if you were interested in playing back pre-recorded loops.
Stephen

x031661-loopers@yahoo.com wrote:
So you never find yourself needed to loop a chorus after looping the verse and wanting to come back to the looped verse?

If I remember right, the RC20 allows for 10 loops. Any idea if you can save a loop to one of the those 10 slots, do a brand new loop and then come back to the first loop all withing the context of a single song? That is, without stopping?

----- Original Message ----
From: Chris Smart
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:12:33 AM
Subject: Re: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem

To offer a different opinion, again just based on what I do live, I
use a Boss RC20 for playing solo jazz. I play the chords or a bass
line in, then play or solo on top of it. So, admittedly, I'm not
using most of the features of the unit and just need something to
record myself, that is controlled by my feet.

Chris


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Don't pick lemons.
See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. --0-1653989786-1171912860=:29839-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 19:29:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F5413BF1C; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <073701c7545c$35a6b270$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:29:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0734_01C75421.88780750" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <8PfBpB.A.znF.Fqf2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:29:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0734_01C75421.88780750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well, I don't have much to show in terms of pictures of my actual system = (I'm shy), since it consists of nothing but a laptop, MIDI controller, = small acoustic pre-amp, and 1's and 0's...but here my page that = describes the entire system, with pictures of components, screen shots = of VST effects, etc. http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm Regarding mono/stereo, for my avant-garde looping gig, I couldn't think = of going back to mono. Stereo imaging is critical to many of my effects. = I play mono only if I'm doing a small jazz looping gig with my combo = amp. There are advantages to using effects before or after your looping = unit. We've discussed this many, many times on the list. Obviously, if = you use effects before, then you can loop all those interesting textures = and sounds, and layer on top of them with other sounds. However, adding = effects after your looping unit is really interesting too, because you = can lay down some loops, and then treat your effects as an instrument, = manipulating the original loop material. I have my VST host setup to = drop any VST effect in after Mobius, but I rarely use effects in my = looping system this way. I barely have time to explore all the effects I = have, applied before looping. Monitoring...everyone as their preferences. At live performance, I = prefer stereo monitors in front of me, fairly loud and full. I've = monitored myself with headphones before, but it disturbs me. It = generates a sense of detachment between me, my performance, and what the = audience is hearing. I prefer to hear the live mix and be in the = relative same listening space as the audience, not a perfect one via = headphones. I used headphones only once, at Y2K4. I don't like it. = However, for my studio work, headphones are my only preference. = Sometimes folks have problems with feedback via live monitoring. I've = resolved that with different techniques, such as using the side-fill = monitor approach vs. two in front, or visa versa...or putting the Mains = behind the performers, etc.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Arne R. Skage jr=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: show me yours and i'll show you mine... Hi folks, what about posting pictures of your rig? there is probably = not one alike out there. Im interested in what experiences people have, = specially in operating in strereo /mono use of fx before/after looper, = regarding monitoring, use of microphones in a loop setup etc etc... use = of laptop/ software in this context=20 heres mine =20 = http://skages.blogspot.com/2007/01/gibsonoberheim-echoplex-digital-pro.ht= ml anyone? --=20 Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_NextPart_000_0734_01C75421.88780750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
well, I don't have much to show in = terms of=20 pictures of my actual system (I'm shy), since it consists of nothing but = a=20 laptop, MIDI controller, small acoustic pre-amp, and 1's and 0's...but = here my=20 page that describes the entire system, with pictures of components, = screen shots=20 of VST effects, etc.
 
http://www.krispenhartung= .com/gear.htm
 
Regarding mono/stereo, for my = avant-garde looping=20 gig, I couldn't think of going back to mono. Stereo imaging is critical = to many=20 of my effects. I play mono only if I'm doing a small jazz looping gig = with my=20 combo amp.  There are advantages to using effects before or after = your=20 looping unit. We've discussed this many, many times on the list. =20 Obviously, if you use effects before, then you can loop all those = interesting=20 textures and sounds, and layer on top of them with other sounds.  = However,=20 adding effects after your looping unit is really interesting too, = because you=20 can lay down some loops, and then treat your effects as an instrument,=20 manipulating the original loop material.  I have my VST host setup = to drop=20 any VST effect in after Mobius, but I rarely use effects in my looping = system=20 this way. I barely have time to explore all the effects I have, applied = before=20 looping.
 
Monitoring...everyone as their = preferences. At live=20 performance, I prefer stereo monitors in front of me, fairly loud and=20 full.  I've monitored myself with headphones before, but it = disturbs me. It=20 generates a sense of detachment between me, my performance, and what the = audience is hearing. I prefer to hear the live mix and be in the = relative same=20 listening space as the audience, not a perfect one via headphones. I = used=20 headphones only once, at Y2K4. I don't like it.  However, for my = studio=20 work, headphones are my only preference.  Sometimes folks have = problems=20 with feedback via live monitoring. I've resolved that with different = techniques,=20 such as using the side-fill monitor approach vs. two in front, or visa=20 versa...or putting the Mains behind the performers, etc.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Arne R. Skage=20 jr
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 = 12:02=20 PM
Subject: show me yours and i'll = show you=20 mine...

Hi folks,  what about posting pictures of your rig? there is = probably not one alike out there. Im interested in what = experiences=20 people have, specially in operating in strereo /mono use of fx=20 before/after looper,  regarding monitoring, use of microphones in = a loop=20 setup etc etc... use of laptop/ software in this context
 
heres mine 
 
http://skages.blogspot.com/2007/01/gibsonoberheim-echoplex-di= gital-pro.html
 
anyone?

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------=_NextPart_000_0734_01C75421.88780750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 19:39:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A7D73BF3A; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:39:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DA0B48.1000508@imt.net> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:40:40 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... References: <073701c7545c$35a6b270$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <073701c7545c$35a6b270$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:39:52 +0000 (UTC) You can always see my studio mess as of last year (a few thing have changed around the studio..since..I went insaneee. hehe. Remembering that old pink panther film...) at www.imt.net/~sounddoctorin complete with keyboards you can click on to hear a quick sample of how they respond to mods etc. usually. I threw that together real quick and should go through and update it all. I have to get my OB-8 fixed again to include it too....and add the Prophet 5, CS60 and some polysix and mono/poly stuff along with some others that weren't in there at the time. -Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 19:40:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE3953BF4A; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:40:23 -0500 From: Domenick Swentosky Subject: Re: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem In-reply-to: <114636.98632.qm@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45D9FD27.1010102@greytime.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000714-4, 02/19/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: <114636.98632.qm@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Dave: Unless I missed it, I'm pretty suprised that no one has mentioned the Boomerang. It does exactly what you are describing with the A-B loop feature and that's why I use it. Record A loop (Verse) step on B Loop (Chorus) and record that, then it'll playback A or B loop seemlessly and you can overdub on each loop until you heart is content (or until you've created a muddy, garbled mess). The Boomerang is a great tool, very intuitive to operate and that is it's strength. Downside is it's sound quality (which can be okay if you set it up carefully) and lack of some other advanced features, no midi capability, etc., but it sounds like you don't need that. The only looper I've owned is the Boomerang so far, and to this point I've used it in the same manner that you're describing and it has served me well. Now, after a couple years of looping at my gigs, I'm ready to expand on what I can do with the loop, and I'm looking at the units that are available. Good luck in your search for the right tool. Enjoy the day. Domenick >> >> >> On 2/18/07, *x031661-loopers@yahoo.com >> * > > wrote: >> >> I've been reading about loopers for the last few days and it >> seems like, as with anything new, you don't really know what you >> want from reading about it. I had to buy one, now I have a >> better idea what I want and I'm wondering if someone can tell me >> if I can actually get this from what I have, or what I should >> have bought. >> >> I have a digitech JamMan. >> >> I find it pretty easy to create loops with my guitar. I like the >> Auto Record. I find it easier not to use a pre-set tempo. I >> like that I can overdub on a loop. I like Undo. I like that >> there's 99 loops possible. I like that I can increase the >> memory. I like that, during playback, you can change loops and >> it waits until the end of the current loop to switch. >> >> A lot of these features might be normal for any looper - I don't >> know. >> >> It seems to have a big deficiency for live use though in that I >> can't save a loop while the loop is playing. >> >> What I want to be able to do is to record a loop, say a >> verse. Let it loop as long as I need. When the chorus comes I >> want to step to the next loop, which would be empty and record >> the chorus, let it loop as needed and then switch back to the >> verse and let it start looping the verse again. Maybe I'd add an >> overdub or something, then switch to the chorus - come back to >> the verse etc. >> >> The problem is, if I record the verse loop and then switch to the >> next loop number I lose the verse - because I didn't save it. If >> I want to save it I must first stop it from playing, which is not >> appropriate live. >> >> Is that a problem with most loopers? I was also considering the >> Boss RC-20 or, if I must spend that much an RC-50. >> >> Or maybe there's someway to get the JamMan to do what I want? >> >> Any ideas or suggestions? >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 19:50:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC6553BF57; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <014101c7545f$39abb890$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: Subject: The digest has gone haywire!!! 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------=_NextPart_000_013E_01C75467.9A6E8F10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 19:51:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 835463BF52; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:50:57 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] show me yours and i'll show you mine... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:51:14 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Arne R. Skage jr wrote: > Hi folks, what about posting pictures of your rig? there is probably not > one alike out there. Im interested in what experiences people have, > specially in operating in strereo /mono use of fx before/after looper, > regarding monitoring, use of microphones in a loop setup etc etc... use of > laptop/ software in this context > > heres mine > > http://skages.blogspot.com/2007/01/gibsonoberheim-echoplex-digital-pro.html > > anyone? Here's the immediate working area of my studio. http://www.subscapeannex.com/pics/studio1.jpg And a picture of the setup I took to a performance last May, just before I began: http://pics.livejournal.com/badger/pic/0001g6br/ regards, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 19:56:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 136BD3BF65; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:56:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <114636.98632.qm@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> <45D9FD27.1010102@greytime.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bought My First Looper - Here's the problem Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:55:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <45D9FD27.1010102@greytime.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 23546 Message-Id: <8C922771A7548AF-136C-81F3@WEBMAIL-MB01.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.149 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <6TNIn.A.MKH.TDg2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:56:03 +0000 (UTC) BOOMERANG << Record A loop (Verse) step on B Loop (Chorus) and record that, then it'll playback A or B loop seemlessly and you can overdub on each loop until you heart is content (or until you've created a muddy, garbled mess).>> you can also control the feedback on each loop independently.....also, you have the option of having the B loop play only once or repeat till you decide to go back to A.....michael ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 20:03:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B691E3BF5A; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "GORDIUS info" To: Subject: RE: Considering building an ultimate looper... Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:04:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0084_01C75469.889D06C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <021920071740.9470.45D9E11F0001FB1D000024FE2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Thread-Index: AcdUTRjh9cF2U9I1SleC/ttyEIfkBwAEzYKg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070219200324.27F6C22011C@assei1bl6.telenet-ops.be> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:03:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C75469.889D06C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok, I'll pick a few of the easy things out and get busy ! The hard stuff = I leave to Bob ;-)=20 =20 the smaller and USB-enabled FCB1010 is on its way. =20 the small bluetooth LCD : that's a cool idea ! I'll really look into = that. One day. It would immediately solve the request of kkissinger for = a remote tempo LED too. =20 Oh and... under $300 won't be a problem, once that 1 $ is worth a few = times more then 1 =E2=82=AC :-)) =20 _____ =20 From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net] = Sent: maandag 19 februari 2007 18:41 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Considering building an ultimate looper... I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some = trouble.=20 Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. All the = same functions.=20 Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!! Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. With 10 = or so built in options of layouts. But also capable of custom layouts.=20 10 gigs of storage.=20 Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic stand.=20 Firewire, or USB connections.=20 Balanced and Unbalanced outs.=20 VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be = controlled seamlessly.=20 1 Rack space under $300 Free 24 hour support line.=20 =20 Now, get busy.=20 =20 =20 MFC =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 -------------- Original message --------------=20 From: "GORDIUS info" =20 >=20 > I'd like to add one question to this :=20 > What kind of (physical) volume control device do you target, Bob? = Something=20 > else than a foot pedal?=20 > I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new design for a=20 > MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the "physical = range" of=20 > a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have trouble = making=20 > small enough movements to change the control value with 1 single step = in the=20 > 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't make any = sense=20 > when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of controller = in=20 > mind?=20 >=20 > (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make it a=20 > non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you will get much better = > results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, rather = than=20 > doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD=20 > conversion).=20 >=20 > Xavier=20 > http://www.gordius.be=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com]=20 > Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35=20 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 > Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper...=20 >=20 > Ok, here's some friendly advice.=20 >=20 > Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this list. So = far=20 > you've described a rather basic looper, except that you seem to be = obsessed=20 > with the resolution of the output level control. In all the wish lists = and=20 > product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this is not a = feature=20 > that I remember being mentioned.=20 >=20 > If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper market, I would = be=20 > much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, = synchronization=20 > with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and "editing" = functions=20 > like insert, multiply, replace, etc.=20 >=20 > Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not "professional = level" is=20 > likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that use it, as = well=20 > as the professional level musicians that use other devices and = software with=20 > a MIDI volume control.=20 >=20 > Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical ambitions are = > being stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal?=20 >=20 > I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better job = smoothing=20 > controller changes, or providing a more musically useful attenuation = curve=20 > at the top end of the range. But there are software soluti ons to = these=20 > problems that are quite effective if not perfect.=20 >=20 > I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a rather = odd=20 > feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money in this=20 > venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market for = hardware=20 > loopers.=20 >=20 > Jeff=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C75469.889D06C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
ok, I'll pick a few of the easy things out = and get busy=20 ! The hard stuff I leave to Bob ;-)
 
the smaller and USB-enabled FCB1010 is on its = way.
 
the small bluetooth LCD : that's a cool idea ! = I'll really=20 look into that. One day. It would immediately solve the request of = kkissinger=20 for a remote tempo LED too.
 
Oh and... under $300 won't be a problem, once = that 1 $ is=20 worth a few times more then 1 =E2=82=AC =  :-))
 


From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net=20 [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net]
Sent: maandag 19 = februari 2007=20 18:41
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE:=20 Considering building an ultimate looper...

I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some = trouble.=20
Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. All = the same=20 functions.
Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!!
Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. With = 10 or=20 so built in options of layouts. But also capable of custom layouts. =
10 gigs of storage.
Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic = stand.=20
Firewire, or USB connections.
Balanced and Unbalanced outs.
VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be = controlled=20 seamlessly.
1 Rack space
under $300
Free 24 hour support line.
 
Now, get busy.
 
 
MFC
 
 
 
 
 
 
--------------=20 Original message --------------
From: "GORDIUS info"=20 <info@gordius.be>

>
> I'd like to add one = question to=20 this :
> What kind of (physical) volume control device do you = target,=20 Bob? Something
> else than a foot pedal?
> I'm asking, = because I=20 am currently testing out a new design for a
> MIDI-controlled = foot=20 pedal. And to me it seems that the "physical range" of
> a = standard=20 foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have trouble making =
>=20 small enough movements to change the control value with 1 single step = in the=20
> 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't = make any=20 sense
> when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type = of=20 controller in
> mind?
>
> (if you intend to = manipulate=20 the linear footpedal range and make it a
> non-linear = transition cur=20 ve, I would believe you will get much better
> results just = using a=20 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, rather than
> doing it = with=20 some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD
> = conversion).=20
>
> Xavier
> http://www.gordius.be
> =
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Larson=20 [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com]
> Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 = 23:35=20
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: = Considering building an ultimate looper...
>
> Ok, = here's some=20 friendly advice.
>
> Be careful tossing out words like = "ultimate=20 looper" on this list. So far
> you've described a rather basic = looper,=20 except that you seem to be obsessed
> with the resolution of = the output=20 level control. In all the wish lists and
> product reviews that = appear=20 regularly on this list, this is not a feature
> that I remember = being=20 mentioned.
>
> If you're intending to compete in the = hardware=20 looper market, I would be
> much more concerned about things = like=20 continuous feedback, synchronization
> with external MIDI = clocks, pitch=20 and rate shifting, and "editing" functions
> like insert, = multiply,=20 replace, etc.
>
> Second, the insinuation that the = Looperlative=20 is not "professional level" is
> likely to annoy the many = professional=20 level musicians that use it, as well
> as the professional = level=20 musicians that use other devices and software with
> a MIDI = volume=20 control.
>
> Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that = their=20 musical ambitions are
> being stymied by the resolution of = their volume=20 pedal?
>
> I don't doubt that there are devices that = could do a=20 better job smoothing
> controller changes, or providing a more=20 musically useful attenuation curve
> at the top end of the = range. But=20 there are software soluti ons to these
> problems that are = quite=20 effective if not perfect.
>
> I don't mean to sound=20 discouraging, but this strikes me as a rather odd
> feature to = be=20 focusing on. Before you start investing money in this
> = venture, be=20 sure you have a good understanding of the market for hardware
> = loopers.
>
> Jeff
> ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C75469.889D06C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 20:06:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 899133BF20; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "GORDIUS info" To: Subject: RE: ping -midi pedals? Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:06:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008F_01C75469.E4868970" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <547801190f7ba7e2d9f3709b737804f3@glasswing.com> Thread-Index: AcdURtHwDzh9+DahSSmH0y+38TYMCgAGpUng X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070219200601.5AF552200D6@assei1bl6.telenet-ops.be> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:06:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C75469.E4868970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope somewhere end of march (2007;-) - but let's still call this a "rough estimate"... _____ From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com] Sent: maandag 19 februari 2007 17:56 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ping -midi pedals? Little Giant - looks like a VERY cool product! I was looking at it yesterday. When will it be available, roughly? richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Feb-07, at 8:06 AM, GORDIUS info wrote: Hi Monk, Do I know you, or do I know your friend ? ;-) It's just because I am kind-of reading the spec of what I have currently designed in your post :-) I'm about to launch the "GORDIUS Little Giant", and indeed I don't need to write down the specs, I can (almost) copy-and-paste from your post : here are the basics.. 250 name-able patches, 250 banks of up to 32 switches linked to any of the patches. each switch could send any midi command and any combination of midi commands over any channel or combination thereof. 2 cv pedal inputs for continuos control large readable display. You can check it out on http://www.gordius.be , pictures of the floorboard will be added somewhere next week... I just joined this forum because I'm "curious about the market" too :-) -----Original Message----- From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] Sent: maandag 19 februari 2007 16:52 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ping -midi pedals? hello everyone. this is just a heads-up. i have a friend who is building midi pedals. very cool with relatively small footprints. i've been using the fabled Lake Butler Midigator pedal for ten years or so and he's curious about the market for something similar with more ergonomic switches and smaller footprint. here are the basics.. 256 (or more) name-able patches with up to 5 dedicated switches per patch. each switch could send any midi command and any combination of midi commands over any channel or combination thereof. 2 cv pedal inputs for continuos control large readable display. my questions are: 1) anyone interested ? 2) how much is something like that worth to you? 3) are there needs that are not addressed in the above description? thanks monk@fuse.net www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C75469.E4868970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I hope somewhere end of march (2007;-) - but = let's still=20 call this a "rough estimate"...


From: Richard Sales=20 [mailto:richard@glasswing.com]
Sent: maandag 19 februari 2007 = 17:56
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 ping -midi pedals?

Little Giant - looks like a VERY cool product! I was looking = at it=20 yesterday. When will it be available, = roughly?

richard = sales
glassWing farm and=20 studio
vancouver island, = b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayle= ysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On=20 19-Feb-07, at 8:06 AM, GORDIUS info wrote:



= --Apple-Mail-2-1012263394-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 16:48:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E19A3BEEA; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: VjSlPosVM1laySrz6OpyXfDPjPphTVApvyos7Sw4K3V7gwShsN_dCr1.ibgDNhM6naweBJjPp3YHVT6dJEEMr41jGrUxBVN9iDlc.kPhqkdb.NrSFdJoH2HSBbtd1wYAAeIloR8D0YrfHn8- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <304456.85643.qm@web35106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <304456.85643.qm@web35106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1014150011 Message-Id: <1951AA8E-6216-4237-A283-C10A554AC13E@infinivert.com> From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: Fender G-DEC Looper Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:47:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:48:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-1014150011 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Yeah, I got a G-DEC a while back for teaching guitar lessons. The drum machine and tuner along with two guitar inputs make it ideal. I've also used the phrase sample looper to teach harmony parts, etc. But you're right, it's not really workable as a standalone looper right now. --Josh On Feb 26, 2007, at 8:46 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > Just kidding around. There IS a "phrase sampler" on the G-DEC (I > just got the 30 watt version) and I had the opportunity to play > around with the 28 sec. looper. It's actually pretty cool. However, > I'm currently having to stop the loops with a button on the amp > which makes it rather tedious to use (albeit there's a matching > pedal (ULT-4) becoming available next month for $59 that looks > pretty useful. > > I bought this unit to use when I'm at my home (I work out of town) > where my looping rig is NOT. For the $$$, so I like it. Fender > Blackface patches and tweeds, delays, reverbs, drum patterns (even > bass) and single loop looping with overdub. I can work with that. > > Regards, Paul > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. --Apple-Mail-1-1014150011 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, I got a G-DEC a while back = for teaching guitar lessons.=A0 The drum machine and tuner along with = two guitar inputs make it ideal.=A0 I've also used the phrase sample = looper to teach harmony parts, etc.=A0 But you're right, it's not really = workable as a standalone looper right now.

--Josh


On Feb 26, = 2007, at 8:46 PM, Paul Richards wrote:

Just = kidding around. There=A0IS a "phrase sampler" on the G-DEC (I just got = the 30 watt version) and I had the opportunity to play around with the = 28 sec. looper. It's actually pretty cool. However, I'm currently having = to stop the loops with a button on the amp which makes it rather tedious = to use (albeit there's a matching pedal (ULT-4) becoming available next = month for $59 that looks pretty useful.
=A0
I = bought this unit to use when I'm at my home (I work out of town) where = my looping rig is NOT. For the $$$, so I like it. Fender Blackface = patches and tweeds, delays, reverbs, drum patterns=A0 (even bass)=A0and = single loop looping with overdub. I can work with that.
=
=A0
Regards, Paul



Everyone is = raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail = beta.

= --Apple-Mail-1-1014150011-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 16:51:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ACCB3BEF7; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <56432.167.83.10.20.1172595103.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <444811.64669.qm@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <444811.64669.qm@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:51:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: looping pedal with decay? From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:51:50 +0000 (UTC) If I read you correctly, the Gibson EDP does what you want and tons more! I upgraded from a Boomerang plus which does have the decay but you pick it ahead of time (i.e. 20 reps, 10, 1 or infinite I beleive) my 2 cents... Plish www.myspace.com/michaelplishka www.myspace.com/bohdanovich www.michaelplishka.com > The only things that I know of that will do what you > describe are delay pedals. I think the Giga delay > would be your best bet, but I'd also read somewhere > that this one artist(I can't remebmer his name) uses > Eventide rack mount processors set up with an > algorhythm that was set with a 95% feedback so that > his loops would decay over time. That sounds more like > what you want, but that stuff is way expensive. Other > than that, sounds like all you need is a digital delay > unit with copious anmounts of time and to be able to > set the feedback setting as needed to make the loops > decay over time. > --- radio radio wrote: > >> I want to buy a pedal and get into looping but am >> having trouble >> figuring out which one will best meet my needs (and >> budget). I've >> learned a LOT from this web site, but still can't >> quite figure out >> everything and would really benefit from a human >> (albeit >> computer-mediated) interaction. Thanks in advance >> for taking the time >> to read this and respond - I hope that I will be >> able to "give back" >> some day when I know something worth while. Until >> then, I guess I >> should donate to this site if I get any responses. >> >> From what I've read and thought about, it looks like >> what will be the >> most important distinction for me is that the loops >> will be able to >> decay. In other words, you can lay down a loop, lay >> down another one >> on top, and then another, and so on, and eventually >> the first one dies >> out, then the second one, and so on. I imagine this >> working like a >> delay pedal in which you can set the decay (or is >> that called >> feedback?). So you could "morph" over time into new >> things, without >> being stuck with your original loops, and without >> having to open a new >> loop and start from scratch with only one new track >> each time you >> wanted to change it up. >> >> The three pedals I've looked into are: >> >> BOSS RC20xl, Digitech Jamman, and BOSS DD-20 giga >> delay >> >> I thought the BOSS was it, but now I'm thinking that >> it doesn't allow >> this thing that I described. I can't tell if you can >> do this with the >> Jamman or not - does anyone know? You could do this >> with the DD-20, >> but I can't tell if you'd be able to set a >> loop/delay time up with >> your foot or not (versus having to set it to a >> certain number of >> seconds and then hope you can keep your riff to that >> length) or if >> there would be other difficulties that I'm not aware >> of if you're >> using this as a looping pedal when it's built to be >> a delay. >> >> Should I be considering a different pedal? I don't >> really need a delay >> pedal - I want a loop pedal that decays. I don't >> really need to be >> able to save my loops - I just want to be able to >> set them up on the >> fly. I don't need to be able to save them on my >> computer. I don't need >> to be able to plug in a separate mic or instrument >> in addition to the >> guitar, although that would be a definite bonus for >> me. I don't need a >> long amount of time - I'm guessing 23 seconds is >> plenty. I don't know >> if I need the ability to set up separate loops or >> not - I certainly >> wouldn't mind, but I don't know enough about using a >> looper yet to >> know about that. Also, how important is >> 'auto-quanitze'? Lastly, I >> don't have a lot of money to spend, so the echoplex >> is right out. The >> boomerang is also too expensive, and anyway I'm >> affraid of the noise >> issues that people have written about with that one. >> I haven't really >> learned about any other pedals out there. >> >> Thanks again! >> Eben >> >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 17:11:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 833563BEFA; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <56432.167.83.10.20.1172595103.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> References: <444811.64669.qm@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <56432.167.83.10.20.1172595103.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:11:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: looping pedal with decay? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112013d97fe7202ee436322df8fd53bd814f1b19a5aa0fa88ceb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Both the Electro Harmonix 2880 and the 16 second delay have feedback knobs. The original Lexicon Jamman had this feature, as did the Electrix Repeater . -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 17:13:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02BBE3BEF6; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=29LeVFCX1b6AZfgM9GGwoUXAUxDm4oNHmqLcLtdGidgiiyHLsY7IaVAwbi6rN9CU48wU+gQFv2d/ezXPkd4bOdHKC87E9iywX51IAM8Jjik5bIzc2Zju3DyHQX5v1cBGqEqKkkl7g5D54JrW4lnH0vogyICdhCdHbCJdfAzctUc=; X-YMail-OSG: SheyTCwVM1kexBAnELY.XuGzSCceh_kFpKj.tRnMzK2.zM53dMoIfOBG92Ct9noQg4XJCf2WPKrugwVBT7ID7kQXRSL.r_xAWgxY1M6bunsko6MiNHBIYK3WkIcLJjrvKSVt7wcvrE9yVvY- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:13:29 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: riffworks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2a154bb6e48cbc559713ff114c426a08@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1924533089-1172596409=:61392" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <716704.61392.qm@web35101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:13:30 +0000 (UTC) --0-1924533089-1172596409=:61392 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There was a clone of this product that came with the Line6 Rifftracker package. It was a pretty nice tool. One big drawback was (and one of the reasons I purchased it) the Instantdrummer feature/tool. It was cool BUT the cost of add'l drum patterns was too high (around $10.00 each). Not to mention the flukey way they were installed. To my mind, $10 should have bought more than 1 pattern. Maybe TWO, at least. Anyway...my two cents. MD wrote: Now this guy looks like he is having some real fun. Thats inspiring in itself. Thanks for the link. On Feb 27, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Ben wrote: > Not sure that it can be qualified as a looper but seems a cool SW for > those using a looper as a composition aid. > > http://www.sonomawireworks.com/riffworksmovies.php > > > Ben > > --------------------------------- Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. --0-1924533089-1172596409=:61392 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
There was a clone of this product that came with the Line6 Rifftracker package. It was a pretty nice tool. One big drawback was (and one of the reasons I purchased it) the Instantdrummer feature/tool. It was cool BUT the cost of add'l drum patterns was too high (around $10.00 each). Not to mention the flukey way they were installed. To my mind, $10 should have bought more than 1 pattern. Maybe TWO, at least.
 
Anyway...my two cents.

MD <skysaboveskys@cox.net> wrote:
Now this guy looks like he is having some real fun. Thats inspiring in
itself. Thanks for the link.
On Feb 27, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Ben wrote:

> Not sure that it can be qualified as a looper but seems a cool SW for
> those using a looper as a composition aid.
>  
> http://www.sonomawireworks.com/riffworksmovies.php
>  
>  
> Ben
>  
>  


Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. --0-1924533089-1172596409=:61392-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 17:21:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 899133BF08; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070227112123.picp20fcdwcskksw@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:21:23 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: atmosphere...all go insane References: <83FE7F9F-71C9-40CE-AC18-424FEB62A44E@surfbest.net> In-Reply-To: <83FE7F9F-71C9-40CE-AC18-424FEB62A44E@surfbest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Upon some introspection, I think excessive compression levels are a =20 symptom of broad trends in modern society. As "indie" musicians we =20 may view the big labels with skepticism. As musicians, except for =20 the most cynical, we desire performance situations wherein people =20 actually listen and respond to the music. We want to be something =20 other than "Muzak" -- at least for some listeners. We would like to reach listeners -- after all, music is a form of =20 communication. However, trying to reach people who have a conditioned =20 "ignore" reflex is very difficult and frustrating. People are =20 overloaded with cell phones, pagers, spam, junk mail, =20 phone-solicitations, un-naturally loud music tracks, etc... and tune =20 it out in order to cope. They tune out live music, too. Per wrote: > People screening out people, crippling our own sensibility. The bad =20 > effect this has on > people is that they loose their natural ability for mental and > emotional reflection, which in a longer perspective also may reduce > the ability to feel compassion. When I started to play weddings back in the 1970s, people were pretty =20 quiet when they entered the church and all the more quiet when the =20 music started. By the late 70s, people just talked and when the organ prelude =20 started, they would talk louder to drown it out. They would only stop =20 talking when the singer sang a solo. By the 90s, people would continue talking while the soloist was up in =20 front singing the solo (usually music selected by the bride). Today, people tune it all out: the organ preludes, the singers, other =20 instruments. The money for weddings was good, however I felt like =20 what I was contributing was merely a distraction to people's private =20 conversations rather than anything that brought something special to =20 the occasion. It may sound self-serving for me to speak of compassion for musicians. =20 However, as a musician myself, I simply refuse to talk while someone =20 is performing. They are playing their heart out and I respect that. =20 Other people may wish to listen, and I respect that. I am =20 old-fashioned. > We're all part of this noise. I kept raising my fee, figuring that I'd get less bookings. Instead, =20 I got MORE bookings for more expensive weddings. I no longer book weddings. The money was not worth the profound sense =20 of sadness/futility that came with the work. The other professional =20 musicians were in the same boat -- just winging it -- why bother to =20 practice? No one listens anyway. Just collect your check and move on =20 to the next gig. > Since there are no silent spots left, we > need to develop a good sense of what to filter out, just to heal > ourselves and stop the destructive dehumanizing trend. A bit of a > paradox. We have reached a point where people tune everything out unless it =20 directly affects them. When I was in Scouts people used to sit respectfully for the quarterly =20 awards ceremonies. Now, people go to these things and just talk =20 through them -- they only stop to take a pic or two when it is their =20 kid's turn for his award. There is not even a pretense of paying =20 attention. People don't whisper anymore. They simply ignore everyone =20 and everything. Such behavior was unthinkable thirty years ago. =20 Today, it is the norm. I think part of the problem is the commercialization of what, at one =20 time, was a person's private space. Spam, junk-mail, phone =20 solicitations, etc... is an assault on our time and resources. The =20 problem goes way beyond compression levels. A person must tune out =20 nearly *everything* to survive -- and in so doing throws the baby out =20 with the bathwater. How does this apply to looping? Well, all of us here appreciate communicative performances and aspire =20 to deliver such work to our listeners. To find satisfying performance =20 opportunities can be a challenge. To find listeners that are =20 genuinely interested in music and willing to listen is difficult. =20 The ensemble sound of loops is built up a piece at a time and such an =20 approach flys in the face of the "full-out-loud-all-the-time" material =20 to which people have become accustomed. May we all hone our abilities to create fine music, to deliver =20 communicative performances, and reach listeners. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 18:40:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 048183BEF9; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nyQ6Ch+kyyxBu0rCxqmlSWRhJLGRWO4nMN3JR2AVA8m98slC70lpYL9AmfGxLUOY9IHYF2Q71gmbN8cE3yMeBaTYLim0i3FRccGQSG+L9rMtYzBTK5usOkRDMfiCSt9PAmkfCWzV9W6azFWXJO+TTZjn7/+o+49QACCNUCnsf7Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=BUUcTgNKAnnt7X6aDn8bFSjDDqTtkK/e8YzBQ/lX01f268lBH0u0B9K3kaANJiJ09p7ebc8s9Ac1sU6IBDZU00y6QJTI88GxZTke0kOz2bwGMzZydSK/PZUqHRQLCdwRahIPjOsPTA0P+/eAEPQBbXrr/FWlGs3xUqVg8otqprA= Message-ID: <46fea78d0702271040q6a36337bxdfb3d2155688fbe1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:40:04 -0800 From: "David H" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help with my live rig In-Reply-To: <017d01c75a68$9734ff80$2601a8c0@SALON> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11625_29606655.1172601604739" References: <017d01c75a68$9734ff80$2601a8c0@SALON> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:40:08 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11625_29606655.1172601604739 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks for all the tips! I already use my feet enough, controlling all the different hardware effects I use, and most of them don't have midi capability. I'm sure midi could solve a lot of my problems, maybe someday I will grow up and use it like I should, but its not an effective solution for me. I always say while others use midi as their symphony, I use it as my metronome. :) I try balancing myself while playing, so I don't have to depend on the engineer. But what I hear when I play is not what gets recorded into loop. Its taking a lot of work and discretion to feel out when I play at such-and-such level, and what will playback. I'm having a hard time figuring out that Roland VM system you suggested, Doug, especially since it seems to have been discontinued? There are all sorts of accessories and cards and stuff and I'm not sure how it would all map out. Although I am intrigued by the idea of connecting two mixers like that, that would probably be pretty ideal. I've also thought of having direct outs on my onstage mixer go to foh, would it really work so simply? I'd have to send about 8 lines out, which isn't a ton, but its more than most small house snakes can handle. Even so, there is probably a way around that too. Would a mixer like the Onyx 1620 work well? David ------=_Part_11625_29606655.1172601604739 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Thanks for all the tips!
 
I already use my feet enough, controlling all the different hardware effects I use, and most of them don't have midi capability. I'm sure midi could solve a lot of my problems, maybe someday I will grow up and use it like I should, but its not an effective solution for me. I always say while others use midi as their symphony, I use it as my metronome. :)
 
I try balancing myself while playing, so I don't have to depend on the engineer. But what I hear when I play is not what gets recorded into loop. Its taking a lot of work and discretion to feel out when I play at such-and-such level, and what will playback.
 
I'm having a hard time figuring out that Roland VM system you suggested, Doug, especially since it seems to have been discontinued? There are all sorts of accessories and cards and stuff and I'm not sure how it would all map out. Although I am intrigued by the idea of connecting two mixers like that, that would probably be pretty ideal.
 
I've also thought of having direct outs on my onstage mixer go to foh, would it really work so simply? I'd have to send about 8 lines out, which isn't a ton, but its more than most small house snakes can handle. Even so, there is probably a way around that too. Would a mixer like the Onyx 1620 work well?
 
David

 
------=_Part_11625_29606655.1172601604739-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 18:41:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04E073BF00; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: ufmkaWIVM1kpkDi94vw1AVR..wp3okThqdJ67_6MX.HuKPB0tEt8zhdG4WbEsHLWmG1jIEUVAgtwN3pXtLKwyhRT1daBjSOfnMDdRyrZ2Et0RxXqctPvbNzOsEOqnsTuxxwj5TShkU_m4bc- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <45E3E9E1.2080008@tiscali.co.uk> References: <46fea78d0702261825j1d2c85b2pcde5f9f754f36dc@mail.gmail.com> <45E3E9E1.2080008@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-1020946140 Message-Id: <2711AE6D-5DF2-4708-9CFC-5183808188B0@infinivert.com> From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: Help with my live rig Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:41:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <6QaqkB.A.D9.MtH5FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:41:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-1020946140 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Feb 27, 2007, at 2:20 AM, andy butler wrote: > Otherwise, you need a mixer with direct out for each input that you > are using. The direct outs go to foh. Then you can still control > the sends, but the foh gets to mix This is how I've done it. I have a cheap Alesis Studio24 mixer that has 8 direct outs (plenty for me), and I send each of those to the main sound board. --Josh --Apple-Mail-3-1020946140 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Feb 27, 2007, = at 2:20 AM, andy butler wrote:

Otherwise, you need a = mixer with direct out for each input that you are using. The direct outs = go to foh. Then you can still control the sends, but the foh=A0 gets to mix

=


This is how I've done it.=A0 = I have a cheap Alesis Studio24 mixer that has 8 direct outs (plenty for = me), and I send each of those to the main sound board.

--Josh
= --Apple-Mail-3-1020946140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 18:46:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 891653BF04; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: nlGHoFsVM1m8H20hicOtmCe71rgQQwnOSCVKwrld4smGie_XrLqubCQWWzYE4iaJI8SAyzaZQNVOGjqqUa9TMjWgae_Z_GR898I6CxHWyFY.9pv5AJgqns1_DJoe2U1PsZ3O7nQ2zCkRzg-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <41C0F247-4136-45FF-B084-52734D4C6440@gmail.com> References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702161348j7cee61e6ga509b9134de58dea@mail.gmail.com> <45DC20E2.8060509@addcom.de> <4102.69.59.206.219.1172528262.squirrel@webmail.peak.or <41C0F247-4136-45FF-B084-52734D4C6440@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-1021235244 Message-Id: From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: Cover artwork in digital music (was OT: The Police on Tour) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:46:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:46:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-1021235244 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Completely agreed! I have a friend who is quite distraught over the loss of album covers, but I think it's the common form that he misses. Personally, I think the digital medium gives much more flexibility for different types of creative artwork, etc. --Josh On Feb 27, 2007, at 2:29 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I would agree that covers are becoming irrelevant as for the > practical function of containing a product. But this only makes the > artwork more relevant as art. --Apple-Mail-4-1021235244 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Completely agreed!

I have a friend who is = quite distraught over the loss of album covers, but I think it's the = common form that he misses.=A0 Personally, I think the digital medium = gives much more flexibility for different types of creative artwork, = etc.

--Josh


On Feb 27, 2007, = at 2:29 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

I would agree that = covers are becoming irrelevant as for the practical function of = containing a product. But this only makes the artwork more relevant as = art.


= --Apple-Mail-4-1021235244-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 18:53:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A83363BF16; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:53:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: AFNAohUVM1mBqlsUtvEIWkWIkdEPdBhGuHe8PeU6AhSxd0bmaVXVBNmjO4LYeeLHiMNoHFwTqExc7GAdNmqDAK4HGl8VCIAJfVTnm5ekXrUAJ5irlkPGXkkTqosKuEkvHymHHhDhvJQs7ZM- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45DC96FE.7070702@tiscali.co.uk> <45E3FB79.2060905@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: Zipper Noise, an example Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:53:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:53:21 +0000 (UTC) Zipper effects, aside, Excellent composition! Do you have the rest of that piece for download somewhere? --Josh On Feb 27, 2007, at 7:09 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Following the "Zipper Noise" discussions (and other looping related > topics) I recorded this short clip this morning: > > http://www.looproom.com/audio/Screening.mp3 > > You hear the zipper noise (of the TC Electronix FireworX) when I > use the MIDI expression pedal to adjust the volume, something you > do a lot when playing guitar (but never with wind instruments). > It's a little annoying but not that bad that I wouldn't use the > volume pedal at concert. Strange thing is that when I use a MIDI > expression pedal to adjust the beat sync tempo division for the LFO > bound filter (on the reverb return) there is no such noise. > > This short song also demonstrates some things I think are cool with > Mobius. Like for example the Shuffle function (cuts up the loop in > segments, re-orders or reverses the segments). Here the Shuffle is > very "stuttery" because the loop was first created with "8ths Per > Cycle = 12" (yes, it's a waltz) but before kicking the Shuffle > button I changed that to "8ths Per Cycle = 48" to have the loop cut > up in shorter segments. Also, two "Time Warp" scripts are used at > the end (goes into Overdub and then jumps between different > settings of Rate Shift). And finally, the infinite Undo is used to > step back from that chaotic part I rambled into just before the end. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 18:56:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8063F3BF08; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswMAAYO5EVQ4dqRUGdsb2JhbACHTYdDAQEqli8BAQGBaA Message-ID: <45E47AA8.6010900@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:38:32 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mac titanium G4 looping? References: <45E4381D.9070405@tiscali.co.uk> <38F7BB86-450C-43E6-ACA5-2E063E3D0020@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <38F7BB86-450C-43E6-ACA5-2E063E3D0020@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:56:58 +0000 (UTC) >> Os wrote: >>> I used a G4 667MHz Powerbook for years. Just max it out with RAM (at >>> least 1GB) and get a decent (probably firewire) audio interface. (I >>> have a Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 which is superb.) > > On 27 feb 2007, at 14.54, andy butler wrote: >> I thought there were issues with high latency for any hardware relying >> on the Core Audio firewire drivers. At least, this was the case a >> month or 2 ago, maybe it's fixed now. >> Of course, if latency isn't an issue. > Per Boysen wrote: > Maybe you are referring to the plug-in "safety" buffer? It's a bit big > in OS X compared to the buffer of some Windows VST plug-ins. > Sound on Sound Dec 2006, in a review of the Focusrite Saffire Pro says that latency was "noticeably high, even with small buffer sizes", due to "Apple's own Firewire driver". They were hoping that a fix from Apple would be forthcoming, and made it clear that it wasn't a shortcoming specific to that unit. andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 18:58:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D27B3BF1D; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=m1Q8tFPJIW8tzeHTRorl66sDpbDZ3OJN01KkzhGG6sazSPMDKxoXrRkuRGou0S/EpUyoSIkpRciWs13kuxrcHzrq/hATb4YaBAC2Kd6os2HoRLIuJSfKEzoVuvOTmu5yrjlzGxVIiamoXDrEmS7IsN2SSOEBxnUxWvFXlyQU8ec= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hezms/4UhgR9N8Rw2HeUxC1j71kqNhfF3z+R6k3d0q/jwinFq90XdHGcJe2bdSS32uENgqbaBYpH1xDGSrsin0ENLHuMDlKXbRl/yPmpZ2JrFJPfN+z+kbzorSVU+lU2UUDw2rlbZeeDXd3JsXwt2PdTNqHZ2r35n/HkZJ4a8XE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45DC96FE.7070702@tiscali.co.uk> <45E3FB79.2060905@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <64533FD1-89B0-4829-96F7-6B4979D717E7@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Zipper Noise, an example Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:58:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:58:28 +0000 (UTC) On 27 feb 2007, at 19.53, Josh Carroll wrote: > Zipper effects, aside, Excellent composition! I'm afraid it is not. It was an improvisation. > Do you have the rest of that piece for download somewhere? No. I use to play around like that with Mobius, for fun and to practice instrument playing and live looping. Sometimes I press the "Start Audio REcording" button, which renders a stereo file of whatever you are playing and looping. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 19:16:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B56253BED9; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAALYS5EXUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACPGgEBAQEHDgwelhgBAQGBaA Message-ID: <45E47DEC.5070606@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:52:28 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help with my live rig References: <017d01c75a68$9734ff80$2601a8c0@SALON> <46fea78d0702271040q6a36337bxdfb3d2155688fbe1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <46fea78d0702271040q6a36337bxdfb3d2155688fbe1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:16:24 +0000 (UTC) David H wrote: > I try balancing myself while playing, so I don't have to depend on the > engineer. But what I hear when I play is not what gets recorded into > loop. Its taking a lot of work and discretion to feel out when I play at > such-and-such level, and what will playback. Sure, most of us have been through that. Key is getting the mix between loop volume and your input. Admittedly, this is much harder when using a mic. andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 19:16:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 241253BF04; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:16:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:19:58 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: mac titanium G4 looping? In-reply-to: <45E47AA8.6010900@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001a01c75aa4$48a55680$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Thread-index: AcdaoRKAS8gS5ErrT56uEUW8rUslmgAAw4aA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:16:27 +0000 (UTC) I use a firewire MOTU 828 with my powerbook and haven't noticed any excessive latency, using the MOTU ASIO drivers. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 1:39 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: mac titanium G4 looping? > > > > > >> Os wrote: > >>> I used a G4 667MHz Powerbook for years. Just max it out > with RAM (at > >>> least 1GB) and get a decent (probably firewire) audio > interface. (I > >>> have a Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 which is superb.) > > > > On 27 feb 2007, at 14.54, andy butler wrote: > >> I thought there were issues with high latency for any hardware > >> relying > >> on the Core Audio firewire drivers. At least, this was the case a > >> month or 2 ago, maybe it's fixed now. > >> Of course, if latency isn't an issue. > > > > Per Boysen wrote: > > Maybe you are referring to the plug-in "safety" buffer? > It's a bit big > > in OS X compared to the buffer of some Windows VST plug-ins. > > > > Sound on Sound Dec 2006, in a review of the Focusrite Saffire > Pro says that latency was "noticeably high, even with small > buffer sizes", due to "Apple's own Firewire driver". They > were hoping that a fix from Apple would be forthcoming, and > made it clear that it wasn't a shortcoming specific to that unit. > > andybutler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 19:22:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B44A83BEDC; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4pLwyUGJpS5CM2YkpkjDiEyj/hH3smfcdPr4N0U6UoxZomvhKGRESeNg1UkL1tNUCzTQ+2r4YFp/bVWVhnMXBxMhcuMx3QdWdE7wBwT5OD71zkotBoovnm6d9L4WSpT/eFmiQte9moJ/6uSKeCM+Tge/3ptRU0dCXxaVkY91OCQ=; X-YMail-OSG: rQtz8JYVM1lpgwvdjCu0MMj3oJcw_rI_U5HmFV3YdYua2CMG8wfmOxyAWLwMvHZgR0gSm8hoNBKJFuIfhFTh5AqXdWFN7Kqrj60Lat5lbAp9xYfl2U9VhDsK7n0yaKIrthr9Yemeu7llXV8- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:22:47 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: mac titanium G4 looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E4381D.9070405@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <588155.26343.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Was there? I've always had low latency using my MOTU 828. I thought the point of "Core Audio" was low latency. http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/coreaudio/ The only issues I had with my 500 MHz TiBook was maxing out the processor using some Reaktor ens and greedy soft synths. I never tried running Augustusloop on it but PSP 42 ran from within Live fine. --- andy butler wrote: > Os wrote: > > I used a G4 667MHz Powerbook for years. Just max > it out with RAM (at > > least 1GB) and get a decent (probably firewire) > audio interface. (I > > have a Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 which is > superb.) > > > > I thought there were issues with high latency for > any hardware relying on the Core Audio firewire > drivers. > At least, this was the case a month or 2 ago, maybe > it's fixed now. > > Of course, if latency isn't an issue. > > andy butler > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 19:25:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83C983BEEC; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:25:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FKIe6BvXU+BU6T0JoyxGOcGrGqlX3rXGaHaktBY/eBPPeo/mFuxFNykTy1BbOtPHyxThKkDpKVtqKa9l+X8321Vx3W9kXSXjiHzvQ94SEsvlaclJ24pk8K+wSDwc9QdpnUK48OJEq9TIgQzJsSiVTiF7HdaZXTFVuqMz/kYNPg4= ; Message-ID: <20070227192544.16641.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ejoepd4VM1ksVmP.P5jStL_YATg3xugSB2KG8QFV9SCkv0fcVSOp.HAr7J49MpM.gb1WCSORXmDhHb6cSCLMKCwfuJTG_oS14OCiBiPZ8YVRujz8r06PWjBsS6ok5KQ_eWi7KwSHsnA.QRc- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:25:44 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: AW: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004e01c75a89$c656b8a0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:25:45 +0000 (UTC) I agree, Kontakt is really good IMO. Also you can get a lot of ROMplers that use the Kontakt engine. What I did is start with one of those (Morphology) and then just paid the upgrade price to get a full version of Kontakt. Kind of expensive, but a lot for the money. Mark --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Kontakt > > > Sampler is the word I am looking for --- not just > a piano > > (though I can't even find a good free VST piano > out there). > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 19:57:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 394063BEDD; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:57:05 EST Subject: Re: Help with my live rig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bba.1143fa20.3315e711_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:57:18 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bba.1143fa20.3315e711_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/26/07 9:26:22 PM, the.31st@gmail.com writes: > To make things even more difficult, I've built my rig and reputation on not > using computers (as in laptops) onstage, so I'd probably not use any of the > software options (if there are any). > luddites unit.....david, i use my mixer as part of my live "instument" and i am doing a bit of tweeking as i play.....what's the difference between your "at home" playing and "live" playing?.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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To make things even m= ore difficult, I've built my rig and reputation on not using computers (as i= n laptops) onstage, so I'd probably not use any of the software options (if=20= there are any).


luddites unit.....david, i use my mixer as part of my  live "instum= ent" and  i am doing a bit of tweeking as i play.....what's the differ= ence between your "at home" playing and "live" playing?.....michael



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AOL=20= now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL= at http://www.aol.com. --part1_bba.1143fa20.3315e711_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 20:27:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E9903BED2; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=buZmhPPxgVNQZ8T/A6SVMff7h0GuG/TV33kG5mA/efao/hx9+4Roi1qgu+pHeArRFksb9Jf/Hxyd4TodGyJXg2wR//PgYkQ+2AvIh1VqmjsuxWpYkIbL0L8gALJEKkcaMrNLog5DNgSEeIijYkFDgCoChsaqoeBbvhHx74azwAs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=ePz92arwSmF10HaHkzyQo4aCDuzNK4dFthRGs7xBEh38Q7VKY0ZcDrLMyHeMSR+dj9O78yrqHnB+9pf8UcSKQVdojNpQ0zwPIkUB/Bb2PY8LyI4AUEytg05jhsS9hG8LtPACOi5/R4EK9fuc5axm8b4/V1J31RBYUMY86gTPbxY= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730702271227v4452d54ev4e370c7e766cf4b4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:27:35 -0500 From: "Clint Allen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: (OT) Rush - Vapor Trails - (was: Why contemporary music sounds terrible) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23287_4028928.1172608055386" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:27:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_23287_4028928.1172608055386 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I remember somebody on this forum posted some information and a link about the production of Vapor Trails a few years back and some of the technology used at the time. As much as I love the content on Vapor Trails, I find the production quality far less than previous albums with an almost distorted sound at times. I'd be interested in reading that again if anyone still has that info. Thanks! Clint Allen (Yes, I'm still alive) On 2/26/07, greg williams wrote: > > Hi Chris, > I wasn't commenting on anything about the production or arrangements other > than the over use of limiting in the mastering stage. > > I personally prefer Rush's earlier stuff, up to Signals. Farewell to > Kings, > Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, and especially Moving Pictures are my faves. > I > think I'll pull some out right now and listen to them... > > ~GW > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Smart [mailto:chris_s@sympatico.ca] > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:41 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Why contemporary music sounds terrible > > Interesting comment on Vapour Trails. I found it over-produced too, > loads of syrupy background vocal tracks, etc. > One Little Victory is still a great positive song to get your blood > pumping though! > > Try comparing Vapour Trails to Test for Echo or Counterparts ... I > think those two have much more clarity and extension in the highs. > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 2/25/2007 > > > ------=_Part_23287_4028928.1172608055386 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I remember somebody on this forum posted some information and a link about the production
of Vapor Trails a few years back and some of the technology used at the time. As much
as I love the content on Vapor Trails, I find the production quality far less than previous
albums with an almost distorted sound at times. I'd be interested in reading that again
if anyone still has that info.
 
Thanks!
Clint Allen
(Yes, I'm still alive)

 
On 2/26/07, greg williams <gregorwilliams@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi Chris,
I wasn't commenting on anything about the production or arrangements other
than the over use of limiting in the mastering stage.

I personally prefer Rush's earlier stuff, up to Signals. Farewell to Kings,
Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, and especially Moving Pictures are my faves. I
think I'll pull some out right now and listen to them...

~GW

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart [mailto:chris_s@sympatico.ca]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:41 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Why contemporary music sounds terrible

Interesting comment on Vapour Trails. I found it over-produced too,
loads of syrupy background vocal tracks, etc.
One Little Victory is still a great positive song to get your blood
pumping though!

Try comparing Vapour Trails to Test for Echo or Counterparts ... I
think those two have much more clarity and extension in the highs.


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------=_Part_23287_4028928.1172608055386-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 20:41:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF9CA3BEC7; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E49759.4040606@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:40:57 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellent composition? References: <311819.806.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45DC89DA.3040003@mhorse.com> <45E3FBAD.5060006@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <45E3FBAD.5060006@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:41:02 +0000 (UTC) I agree with you. The golden rectangle thang is more an observation; it's one example of a structure that frequently works. But yeah, there's all kinds of stuff I listen to without some of those constants you mention. With Glass's "Music in Fifths" as an example once again, it dispenses with so many of them, but it's just great stuff. There's hardly a structure other than linear repetition with variation, extremely limited harmony, no counterpoint, a metronomic rhythm, a "melody" that constantly changes. But it doesn't need anything else. Myself, I'd say "it happens to follow some rules". A piece can follow ALL the rules and still be excellent. But as to how many rules are followed or broken, if the product works, that's all that counts. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com >> structure makes its own sense, anything can work. > > I would say the sense makes it work. Any good composition needs to > make sense, and thats it. The skill and art is, to transport this to > an audience. It works, if the audience can recognize it... > >> I do find that the golden rectangle is a construct that pops up again >> and again, particularly in pop songs. The climax, bridge, solo, >> whatever is nearly always at that magical point. > But it doesn't work if it doesn't make sense, and if there is sense, > it might not need it. I could always find an example of music you > like, which would not follow any concrete rules, some might think are > essential. That music needs to make sense is not a rule which would > give you tools to compose, but it will free your mind to explore new > frontiers. > The rules can deliver a frame, they are not the music, you put the > music into a frame, but music can very well survive without it... > > There are so many statements like: Music needs a rythm, music needs a > melody, music needs harmony, music needs a form - all with a > connatation of concrete rules, mostly historic relevant rules. All > this is bullshit... > It might lead to beautiful music, but not because of following the > rules, I'd say though it follows some rules... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 20:41:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BB913BED2; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E49792.90201@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:41:54 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Rush (was: Why contemporary music sounds terrible) References: <000301c75a25$279feab0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> In-Reply-To: <000301c75a25$279feab0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:41:58 +0000 (UTC) This is the link, but it's dead for the moment (if not forever). http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/articles/8A133F52D0FD71AB86256C2E005DAF1C Generally closeted Rush fan here too...there's a really brief clip of a new tune on their site which sounds refreshingly classic. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > I've read that article as well, but I just did a search for it and > apparently the link is gone. The big offender if I recall was the Rush CD > 'Vapor Trails' which is apparently universally slammed for it's distorted > 'brick wall' limiting. I remember it was quite an issue when the CD came > out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 20:50:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C0A73BEC5; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:50:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:49:26 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: OT: Rush (was: Why contemporary music sounds terrible) In-Reply-To: <45E49792.90201@mhorse.com> Message-ID: References: <000301c75a25$279feab0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> <45E49792.90201@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5muUIC.A.MVH.BmJ5FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:50:10 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 27 Feb 2007, Daryl Shawn wrote: > This is the link, but it's dead for the moment (if not forever). > > http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/articles/8A133F52D0FD71AB86256C2E005DAF1C Visible using the Internet Archive Wayback Machine through the following very long URL: http://web.archive.org/web/20060423231848/http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/articles/8A133F52D0FD71AB86256C2E005DAF1C The graphics aren't loading for me, but at least the text is there. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 21:02:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93D343BEC2; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E49C4A.1020404@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:02:02 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, burnett@pobox.com Subject: Re: OT: Rush (was: Why contemporary music sounds terrible) References: <000301c75a25$279feab0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> <45E49792.90201@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:02:07 +0000 (UTC) thanks, Steve, that's a great article (the graphics did come through for me, just now). I especially love his metaphor about WRITING IN ALL CAPS. That tires me out and I get bored quickly, and after giving a quick listen again to "One Little Victory", I undeniably felt the same way after just a minute or two, and it wasn't the content of the music. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Visible using the Internet Archive Wayback Machine through the > following very long URL: > > http://web.archive.org/web/20060423231848/http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/articles/8A133F52D0FD71AB86256C2E005DAF1C > > The graphics aren't loading for me, but at least the text is there. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 21:04:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B8393BEB6; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YcnJWtfTn52RpJ1KJVvEqTJ5Xu4dmOnhkq/bwNpQ06AlsGcvboQLDyRFWHk0wDZSosQy3TMRVjLUEQy94ksjOPmf+a5xZpQbUysGm2xiMvLw7L9o2EY1+MRuryLKHvSN/+Nqmsci+8jYlAo3C/x0XtAYX43U+TNUsytLvB0R4E4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=IAwjzl1EhmIdd8lrgwJ29j5ClxIDLq0p8n2Pfskh0wdZvy8+dK92aMKeq9WEBZVOHCh/fNGOD0WhPmnLZs2lR/7kbg0qzuYOpK33TKgqZ6tgyrzV+T1zzZW7ERpvL8mKH2h5+KXlb1vOaza+OHlMp0mQgKW3X1fUqlijQ76jhUM= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730702271304u6e94dcd5kdacf86bdc329828c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:04:16 -0500 From: "Clint Allen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Rush (was: Why contemporary music sounds terrible) Cc: burnett@pobox.com In-Reply-To: <45E49C4A.1020404@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24251_20801831.1172610256349" References: <000301c75a25$279feab0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> <45E49792.90201@mhorse.com> <45E49C4A.1020404@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:04:27 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_24251_20801831.1172610256349 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Daryl and Steve! Nothing like good content marred by bad production. I should know because I do it everyday! (to myself) Thanks, Clint On 2/27/07, Daryl Shawn wrote: > > thanks, Steve, that's a great article (the graphics did come through for > me, just now). I especially love his metaphor about WRITING IN ALL CAPS. > That tires me out and I get bored quickly, and after giving a quick > listen again to "One Little Victory", I undeniably felt the same way > after just a minute or two, and it wasn't the content of the music. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > > Visible using the Internet Archive Wayback Machine through the > > following very long URL: > > > > > http://web.archive.org/web/20060423231848/http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/articles/8A133F52D0FD71AB86256C2E005DAF1C > > > > The graphics aren't loading for me, but at least the text is there. > > ------=_Part_24251_20801831.1172610256349 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Thanks Daryl and Steve! Nothing like good content marred by bad production.
I should know because I do it everyday! (to myself)
 
Thanks,
Clint

 
On 2/27/07, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote:
thanks, Steve, that's a great article (the graphics did come through for
me, just now). I especially love his metaphor about WRITING IN ALL CAPS.
That tires me out and I get bored quickly, and after giving a quick
listen again to "One Little Victory", I undeniably felt the same way
after just a minute or two, and it wasn't the content of the music.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

> Visible using the Internet Archive Wayback Machine through the
> following very long URL:
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20060423231848/http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/articles/8A133F52D0FD71AB86256C2E005DAF1C
>
> The graphics aren't loading for me, but at least the text is there.


------=_Part_24251_20801831.1172610256349-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 21:55:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 682113BEB8; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:54:38 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC20-xl question In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070226172158.028690e0@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: References: <00df01c75853$3577ec10$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20070225200100.sw44poxn7oocw84k@69.89.21.76> <6.2.5.6.2.20070226172158.028690e0@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:55:17 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Chris Smart wrote: > Hi folks. Can someone just list the buttons, left to right, on the Boss > RC-20XL? I figured out the first one, reverse... Pictures, legible ones: http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM04/Content/Boss/PR/RC-20XL.html Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 22:03:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC8123BED0; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=IWWxjE3NdbKrECK+K7JfWux/x9AebV/DvMVvT3e7+9arnvDCKE3xfmPy3lL0FhGo6aKbpap4Y5JD3aTlaz8XxOhMve8FG2en5PfIGA90xp39bAY3nQtNFLPHVvJZ5uJuFHKEH6YQaTUbge+Kj7oHAcqxd96JjELOix9O7krFQk0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=AECzVhAuWmyDEHVvEUkFDxsA5o+RdjU2Ve1G/gOiXanXdyIg79vmCRunQ3fG8gh/wrp8DpWZgi9HSX69MEIB4c+XHaA2mBrgu/qBlph3+StEjpdAWdjjfXm86WbJnQzAj6hwIgKbw/DPOkpuOSJIXObs8KlKR9aIojEImUra6E8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:03:26 -0500 From: "Grahame Davies" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Backline Engineering Riffbox MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6753_7517706.1172613806747" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:03:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6753_7517706.1172613806747 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey folks I have a Backline Engineering Riffbox that I need to pass onto someone who'll get more use out of it than me. It's in perfect condition, looks totally new. Really top quality piece of equipment. They go for $319, if I can get $200 including shipping I'll be happy. Anyone interested? More info about the box here: http://www.backline-eng.com/ Thanks! -Grahame ------=_Part_6753_7517706.1172613806747 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
 
Hey folks
 
I have a Backline Engineering Riffbox that I need to pass onto someone who'll get more use out of it than me. It's in perfect condition, looks totally new. Really top quality piece of equipment.
 
They go for $319, if I can get $200 including shipping I'll be happy.
 
Anyone interested?
 
More info about the box here: http://www.backline-eng.com/
 
Thanks!
 
-Grahame
------=_Part_6753_7517706.1172613806747-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 22:13:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D1603BEC7; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E4ACCF.6080506@bagend.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:12:31 -0600 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Immersive sound References: <713C9293-936E-4F9F-BEEF-A7046F895B58@kenaxis.com> In-Reply-To: <713C9293-936E-4F9F-BEEF-A7046F895B58@kenaxis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Stefan, Your VBAP software is very interesting to me. How many "inputs" can you process simultaneously? Are you aware of this (much more expensive) solution? http://outboard.co.uk/pages/timax.htm Timax has many more features than I need, but it does sound great. Price and proprietary hardware has kept me away. I'd get yours at once if it worked on Windows. Henry Heine Stefan Smulovitz wrote: > Once you start using multi speaker setups you never want to go back to > stereo. There are a lot of ways to treat multi speaker setups in a live > performance. One is to setup spins and spirals - with different loops > having different movement around the room. Another is to play with > filters and delays with each speaker being slightly different. > > If you want to try playing with this you might want to try my software - > Kenaxis VBAP. (http://www.kenaxis.com/) You can set it up for anywhere > from 3 to 8 speakers. There are a couple of 8 channel effects that > really quickly immerse the audience - the main one being an 8 channel > delay. Instead of independently setting the delay time for each speaker > you choose a range of delay times for all of the speakers so that each > one is slightly different and allows the sound to break up and immerse > you. You stop hearing the du du du du of a typical delay since there are > too many separate delays coming at you. They all blend into one > beautiful sound. > > If you have any questions let me know. I hope to have the system up and > running in some sort of a configuration for the Boise Experimental Music > Festival. > > Stefan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 00:11:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E91AA3BEB5; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3sJzzVtMhi+GK1Imb4YhaJ9Eu6zHYJbNGIcP5cndSPBzYGIBuf0TqpXMRUkIJZ4Ubejdpbo0ndNENa0iMRcQj8tZPI8xxhQdr0kak664VQIvpp5WFy8EFGhB7cpcREJQualx7+dWSrNShJpKAoO6dfy4+ybDiq9nBQ29ccXY91E= ; Message-ID: <20070228001128.43370.qmail@web27709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: NAd44BsVM1k1I4jxXWQpkZdKFSUrwxEulk.z3_w8vHR29nF5NULLie.wC06g0UN5Jw-- Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:11:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: atmosphere...all go insane To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070227112123.picp20fcdwcskksw@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, --- kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > > We have reached a point where people tune everything > out unless it > directly affects them. > I hate to be the grumbly cynic in the corner here, but the word I'm thinking of is "selfishness". 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================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 00:32:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4389A3BEC5; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: Immersive sound, multi-speakers Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:32:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <45E4ACCF.6080506@bagend.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdavNu40micajJEQR+aw2x9NKzCugAEX81Q Message-Id: <20070227163578.SM00876@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dce46009300005a90.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:32:43 +0000 (UTC) I've pretty much decided not to try to purue the "Halfer" surround system. With the equipement I have, it would be difficult to implement, and could put amplifiers at risk. However, I received excellent suggestions on this topic from LD - thanks! What I am still considering is a flexible, multi-speaker (amp/cabs)approach , at least for home use. I remembered a cool product that Rane makes, (SM26b , www.rane.com). It can be used to split mono or stereo inputs into multiple stereo or mono outputs. In reverse, it acts as a mixer. It has pan and level, but should be quite sonically transparent when placed between computer interface outputs, or FX outputs, and amplifiers. For example, with the SM26, you can route a stereo signal (or dual mono) to - 2 stereo amps, and/or - 1 mono center channel (by panning) Or, 2 mono signals panned/leveled to 6 mono outputs Lots of other possibilities This should make it easy to experiment. I'm also considering Hemisphere speakers from http://www.electrotap.com/hemisphere/ as possible ambient speakers - Perhaps add 3 Hemisphere speakers to sides/rear of room, along with my current 2 accugroove front main speakers. Hmmm....:-) -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 01:49:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C33A73BEC7; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Mp/Jn8UR09b05KlRh05ZO+QNIUfgLjLRm46hkKYoQsr/dWU9WeQLxMnlK4FPxG2AAne5pzfaj+lzFmEGJPZ9HnH7jasD+QOwGtVOW/HYuCKWKC7oZqSoxVWxlQcebqLTZKWD/DdmpDpIlxof4hGwaVgf7lyCW6GR3pUZjuNhlYY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=E7D2kxR+Nacffv3jZJmCshjGAHustrL3q4h6LmR88JBkLvaNDRnc0mnmQ+i5l33atqjVT6bvcWYdV9QTrkohgcjtrCJgZ2KfSR99So7198jQXnAYv00Hi/7jzIs6fgoQRgUsGxjSCyxPZBBEsLqF2pVjF4Yras6nx+zFeyjKuLc= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:49:10 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Immersive sound, multi-speakers In-Reply-To: <20070227163578.SM00876@quahome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45E4ACCF.6080506@bagend.com> <20070227163578.SM00876@quahome> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:49:15 +0000 (UTC) If you look around you can even find one of Rane's six channel power amps... On 2/27/07, Qua Veda wrote: > What I am still considering is a flexible, multi-speaker > (amp/cabs)approach , at least for home use. > I remembered a cool product that Rane makes, (SM26b , www.rane.com). It > can be used to split mono or stereo inputs into multiple stereo or mono > outputs. In reverse, it acts as a mixer. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 02:09:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D6C63BEC7; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=elJs97kLmcSTgQJKt47zIemG9GQvQuZOjFzD37ozFUKpQuEJqJ9cELd2/ORPRL+RssVIsHJN41yVnI34naR4+pBmQepN+1to3Q3hJRRbGMFXC7epsE30urfhwPL4Obz9mooO5Isey3G1VpfEJ9B8XT070c8ApYe5f2W7bSmv8Sk=; X-YMail-OSG: XWr2tCoVM1maRaiVhFoLzl2VboH5fqSY7BRD2gQ2YEDIddiFBQES2e4pHOOYj.3hqQ-- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:09:42 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: why modern music sounds bad? To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <825316.51881.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, the golden rectangle thing is no doubt true, but one listen to Roxy Music's "Avalon" album seems to contradict the theory. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 02:31:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D0D93BECD; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070227213740.05ceb3f8@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:38:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: Re: RC20-xl question In-Reply-To: References: <00df01c75853$3577ec10$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20070225200100.sw44poxn7oocw84k@69.89.21.76> <6.2.5.6.2.20070226172158.028690e0@sympatico.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-50C734B4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Which, as a blind guy, don't help me much. That's why I was asking. If I could just glance down at the unit (or it's manual) I would have already. :P At 04:54 PM 2/27/2007, you wrote: >On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Chris Smart wrote: > >>Hi folks. Can someone just list the buttons, left to right, on >>the Boss RC-20XL? I figured out the first one, reverse... > >Pictures, legible ones: >http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM04/Content/Boss/PR/RC-20XL.html > >Steve B >Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/703 - Release Date: >2/26/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/703 - Release Date: 2/26/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 02:44:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26FF83BECC; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <01c201c75a1e$f332cd20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <01c201c75a1e$f332cd20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-1049956645 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: CAN YOU HELP ME Participants in the Y2K Live Looping Festivals Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:44:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:44:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8-1049956645 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Rick, If it helps you can quote this from me: As an frequent featured performer in past Y2K Loopfests, and as a veteran of numerous other similar electronic, avant-garde and/or "new music" gatherings around the western States, I can authoritatively say that Rick Walker's Y2K annual event in Santa Cruz is the most globally diverse, stylistically inclusive, of the highest quality, best organized and most personally influential of all of them. -- T. R. Killian, musician Sorry I wan't able to pop one of these off in the mail right away. I hope you get your grant. Best regards, Ted Killian On Feb 26, 2007, at 7:25 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: > 1) a headlined or featured performer at one of the last 5 years' > festivals or > 2) involved in the technology end of digital live looping or > 3) have just been inspired watching performances in past festivals --Apple-Mail-8-1049956645 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Rick, If it helps you can quote this from me: 0000,8080,4040As an frequent featured performer in past Y2K Loopfests, and as a veteran of numerous other similar electronic, avant-garde and/or "new music" gatherings around the western States, I can authoritatively say that Rick Walker's Y2K annual event in Santa Cruz is the most globally diverse, stylistically inclusive, of the highest quality, best organized and most personally influential of all of them. -- T. R. Killian, musician Sorry I wan't able to pop one of these off in the mail right away. I hope you get your grant. Best regards, Ted Killian On Feb 26, 2007, at 7:25 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: 1) a headlined or featured performer at one of the last 5 years' festivals or 2) involved in the technology end of digital live looping or 3) have just been inspired watching performances in past festivals --Apple-Mail-8-1049956645-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 02:49:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A9123BEC5; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:48:30 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: RC20-xl question In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070227213740.05ceb3f8@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: References: <00df01c75853$3577ec10$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20070225200100.sw44poxn7oocw84k@69.89.21.76> <6.2.5.6.2.20070226172158.028690e0@sympatico.ca> <6.2.5.6.2.20070227213740.05ceb3f8@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_DN7q.A.naG.n2O5FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:49:12 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 27 Feb 2007, Chris Smart wrote: > Which, as a blind guy, don't help me much. That's why I was asking. If I > could just glance down at the unit (or it's manual) I would have already. :P Sorry, Didn't remember you were blind, and you didn't say in the post you had an RC-20XL available. Ok, here: Left to right, top row knobs: 1) Level 2) Guide 3) Phrase Select (1-11) 4) Input Level (Mic) 5) Input Level (Inst) left to right, second row buttons: 1) Reverse 2) Tap Tempo 3) Write 4) Exit 5) Auto Start 6) Mode Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 03:48:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15EDF3BEB8; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <00df01c75853$3577ec10$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20070225200100.sw44poxn7oocw84k@69.89.21.76> <6.2.5.6.2.20070226172158.028690e0@sympatico.ca> <6.2.5.6.2.20070227213740.05ceb3f8@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-1053739015 Message-Id: <80052dfb6d26cd8208792081f4a3e8fc@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: RC20-xl question Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:47:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:48:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-1053739015 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Chris Can you get your computer to read you what's on screen? Is that how you read email? I'm wondering if it couldn't read a PDF manual? Hopefully this isn't TOO stupid! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 27-Feb-07, at 6:48 PM, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Tue, 27 Feb 2007, Chris Smart wrote: > >> Which, as a blind guy, don't help me much. That's why I was asking. >> If I could just glance down at the unit (or it's manual) I would have >> already. :P > > Sorry, Didn't remember you were blind, and you didn't say in the post > you had an RC-20XL available. > > Ok, here: > Left to right, top row knobs: > 1) Level 2) Guide 3) Phrase Select (1-11) 4) Input Level (Mic) > 5) Input Level (Inst) > > left to right, second row buttons: > 1) Reverse 2) Tap Tempo 3) Write 4) Exit 5) Auto Start 6) Mode > > Steve B > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > --Apple-Mail-2-1053739015 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi Chris Can you get your computer to read you what's on screen? Is that how you read email? I'm wondering if it couldn't read a PDF manual? Hopefully this isn't TOO stupid! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 27-Feb-07, at 6:48 PM, burnett@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, 27 Feb 2007, Chris Smart wrote: Which, as a blind guy, don't help me much. That's why I was asking. If I could just glance down at the unit (or it's manual) I would have already. :P Sorry, Didn't remember you were blind, and you didn't say in the post you had an RC-20XL available. Ok, here: Left to right, top row knobs: 1) Level 2) Guide 3) Phrase Select (1-11) 4) Input Level (Mic) 5) Input Level (Inst) left to right, second row buttons: 1) Reverse 2) Tap Tempo 3) Write 4) Exit 5) Auto Start 6) Mode Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ --Apple-Mail-2-1053739015-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 04:22:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 628593BEC7; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 04:22:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:21:50 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: Help with my live rig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45E5035E.6060402@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 04:22:25 +0000 (UTC) My $.02... You're the only one who's going to know what it's supposed to sound like. Get yourself a dependable monitoring system and mix yourself - send the FOH guy a stereo mix. I will often ask the FOH guy to strap a compressor/limiter across the stereo mix to make sure the level is consistent. Ask him to EQ the final mix if he likes. If you've got too many sound sources and can't handle the faders then the suggestion for a mixing panel with presets is probably the way to go. I'd also suggest that you don't have to use *all* your components *all* the time. Limit your manipulations so that the mechanical aspects of manipulating your devices don't interfere with your making music. Sometimes arbitrarily limiting your choices for a particular piece can be a liberating and effective option, too. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 04:54:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB4A93BEC7; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 04:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070228000152.05c72960@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:01:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: Re: Re: RC20-xl question In-Reply-To: References: <00df01c75853$3577ec10$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20070225200100.sw44poxn7oocw84k@69.89.21.76> <6.2.5.6.2.20070226172158.028690e0@sympatico.ca> <6.2.5.6.2.20070227213740.05ceb3f8@sympatico.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-50C734B4 Resent-Message-ID: <8bbtlD.A.35D.jsQ5FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 04:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Steve. Chris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/703 - Release Date: 2/26/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 05:01:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B77C73BECC; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 05:01:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070228000404.0289a1f0@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:08:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: Re: RC20-xl question In-Reply-To: <80052dfb6d26cd8208792081f4a3e8fc@glasswing.com> References: <00df01c75853$3577ec10$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20070225200100.sw44poxn7oocw84k@69.89.21.76> <6.2.5.6.2.20070226172158.028690e0@sympatico.ca> <6.2.5.6.2.20070227213740.05ceb3f8@sympatico.ca> <80052dfb6d26cd8208792081f4a3e8fc@glasswing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-50C734B4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 05:01:49 +0000 (UTC) At 10:47 PM 2/27/2007, you wrote: >Hi Chris > >Can you get your computer to read you what's on screen? Is that >how you read email? I'm wondering if it couldn't read a PDF manual? Yep, you're right on there. I use software, generically called a screen reader, to do just that - voice what is on the screen in a rather male robotic voice. Yep, I can read pdf manuals, or rather, the text in them, if any. Usually, companies love to put little graphics in, either pictures of controls, or diagrams, which is where things aren't quite as accessible. So, I had read the manual, but didn't want to just start tapping those smaller buttons randomly. :) Don't get me started on the newer gadgets - video recorders with on-screen program guides, DVD menus, etc. >Hopefully this isn't TOO stupid! No, definitely not! Heck, if anybody has any questions about how I do computer things, music things, guitar things, or anything else really, email me. Ask away! I'd rather have people ask and find things out, than think, well, who knows what. :) >Chris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/703 - Release Date: 2/26/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 06:04:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F26DE3BEC2; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:04:46 -0600 From: "Sandy Rowles" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC20-xl question In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070227213740.05ceb3f8@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29870_6189209.1172642686675" References: <00df01c75853$3577ec10$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20070225200100.sw44poxn7oocw84k@69.89.21.76> <6.2.5.6.2.20070226172158.028690e0@sympatico.ca> <6.2.5.6.2.20070227213740.05ceb3f8@sympatico.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:04:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_29870_6189209.1172642686675 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline buttons from left to right are... reverse, tap tempo, write, exit, autostart, mode. some of these buttons also have alternate functions which are labeled in smaller writing just below them, they are... tap tempo is guide select. (i think that is which loop you are in) write is delete exit is shift autostart is loop/one shot mode is stop mode if you are switching the mode, the different modes are... instrument and mic, normal, center cancel, and flat amp simulate. the knobs from left to right are.... level, guide, phrase select (there are eleven phrases and I think that number 11 is a one shot phrase), mic input, and instrument input. I have had one of these before, so if there is any way I can help you, just let me know. sandy@pajiba.com . Good luck and have fun. On 2/27/07, Chris Smart wrote: > > Which, as a blind guy, don't help me much. That's why I was asking. > If I could just glance down at the unit (or it's manual) I would > have already. :P > > At 04:54 PM 2/27/2007, you wrote: > > >On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Chris Smart wrote: > > > >>Hi folks. Can someone just list the buttons, left to right, on > >>the Boss RC-20XL? I figured out the first one, reverse... > > > >Pictures, legible ones: > >http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM04/Content/Boss/PR/RC-20XL.html > > > >Steve B > >Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/703 - Release Date: > >2/26/2007 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/703 - Release Date: 2/26/2007 > > > ------=_Part_29870_6189209.1172642686675 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline buttons from left to right are...
reverse, tap tempo, write, exit, autostart, mode.
some of these buttons also have alternate functions which are labeled in smaller writing just below them, they are...
tap tempo is guide select. (i think that is which loop you are in)
write is delete
exit is shift
autostart is loop/one shot
mode is stop mode
if you are switching the mode, the different modes are...
instrument and mic, normal, center cancel, and flat amp simulate.
the knobs from left to right are....
level, guide, phrase select (there are eleven phrases and I think that number 11 is a one shot phrase), mic input, and instrument input.
I have had one of these before, so if there is any way I can help you, just let me know. sandy@pajiba.com . Good luck and have fun.

On 2/27/07, Chris Smart <chris_s@sympatico.ca > wrote:
Which, as a blind guy, don't help me much. That's why I was asking.
If I could just glance down at the unit (or it's manual) I would
have already. :P

At 04:54 PM 2/27/2007, you wrote:

>On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Chris Smart wrote:
>
>>Hi folks. Can someone just list the buttons, left to right, on
>>the Boss RC-20XL? I figured out the first one, reverse...
>
>Pictures, legible ones:
>http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM04/Content/Boss/PR/RC-20XL.html
>
>Steve B
>Subscape Annex   http://www.subscapeannex.com/
>
>
>
>--
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/703 - Release Date:
>2/26/2007


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------=_Part_29870_6189209.1172642686675-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 06:22:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A16F33BEC2; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:22:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E51F93.8090303@servingpeace.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:22:11 -0800 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help with my live rig References: <017d01c75a68$9734ff80$2601a8c0@SALON> <46fea78d0702271040q6a36337bxdfb3d2155688fbe1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <46fea78d0702271040q6a36337bxdfb3d2155688fbe1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:22:20 +0000 (UTC) David H wrote: > I've also thought of having direct outs on my onstage mixer go to foh, > would it really work so simply? I'd have to send about 8 lines out, > which isn't a ton, but its more than most small house snakes can handle. > Even so, there is probably a way around that too. Would a mixer like the > Onyx 1620 work well? This is what I would do. You can always submix down to one or more stereo pairs (or mono channels) to send to the FOH instead of all 8 lines. You can use direct outs or aux (monitor) channel outputs or even main/submix outputs depending on your needs and the equipment that you are working with. If you are using direct outs the problem will be that you can't mute your send going to the FOH. If that is a problem then can use an aux send or master or submix outputs. You have to look carefully at the specs of the Onyx 1620 to see if it has what you need. I have a 1640 that has 6 Aux channels which could be very useful for what you are describing. The 1640 is really big though which is not ideal. - Sam Nilsson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 06:45:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E0803BECD; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HhzF5xlER6pD98AeldPSSvuJopooIzr7ErfVJoAEqXiwwqQq73xCXSxm58l1LxTtH2i5WWCFhxS8qbpOuFhUq3EBsF95w/G2xAEOr40yNXNkEDU9tslDB4K5qv97V3etLJMySLvHKSKwzdV6/dzrNyjUqlcUUNuv0SrazvlyNE0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PPMYn3BGMjpsUY5RUsaW2KXYBjx2oKbI7D+0eBjqbSFAh4/fHdTIqvwYRYfBpknxnD6SrAdcbotHWkJIjEyLuunL/s+joRmltJe0o3fimYwbIRVwT0lxYHMGN5pPOS7HkoFC9s7Wug/inrUg3Is8WG/pe4Le5z3ItOTcIwomN+A= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:45:07 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help with my live rig In-Reply-To: <46fea78d0702271040q6a36337bxdfb3d2155688fbe1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <017d01c75a68$9734ff80$2601a8c0@SALON> <46fea78d0702271040q6a36337bxdfb3d2155688fbe1@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:45:13 +0000 (UTC) On 2/27/07, David H wrote: > I'm having a hard time figuring out that Roland VM system you suggested, > Doug, especially since it seems to have been discontinued? There are all > sorts of accessories and cards and stuff and I'm not sure how it would all > map out. Although I am intrigued by the idea of connecting two mixers like > that, that would probably be pretty ideal. Yes, sadly, it has been discontinued, but that means you can buy them for a lot less money! I think the system was discontinued because it only supports 44.1 and 48k sample rates. There are two basic units - the VM-7100 which has ten analog inputs, and the VM-7200 which has twenty. You can use one or two units. To use two units, you need the cascade kit which is two boards and a cable. You can add an R-Bus board to each unit, which provides three R-Bus connectors. If you want to convert from R-Bus to ADAT, you need a DIF-AT for each connector. There are also analog to digital converters and AES/EBU adapters that can be directly connected to the R-Bus ports. Inside each unit, you can add three VS8F-2 effects cards, for a total of four effects processors per unit. There are two control surfaces, the VM-C7100 which has 13 faders (12 channels and a master) and the VM-C7200, which has 25 faders. Oh, and if you want to have extra knobs, there is the VE-7000 channel controller. Phew, information overload! This system may be overkill for what you're doing. Send me a private email or use gmail chat if you have any questions... Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 09:16:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DDC63BEC5; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:16:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/IpuZkJMXIQrChwBb7Z700rPvqy8lZmC4qIREJoo CW8g== Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <2fb9e4730702271227v4452d54ev4e370c7e766cf4b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <2fb9e4730702271227v4452d54ev4e370c7e766cf4b4@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <796110272ee49f8079fdd7ea2b1987e6@gmx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: new experimental music project Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:15:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:16:03 +0000 (UTC) I'm working on a new experimental music project by the name of CAM (Coincidental Audio Manipulation). This is the concept in a nutshell: An improvising musician and a sound manipulator interact musically with each other in real-time. Here are some first attempts with two piano players: http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/sylvie_leideritz_and_cam_1.mp3 http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/sylvie_leideritz_and_cam_2.mp3 http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/alain_bollag_and_cam.mp3 I find the idea of looping someone else rather intriguing. Both participants (the looper and the loopee :-) can explore new musical territories that would have remained unapproachable by playing on their own. Also, I can fully concentrate on sound processing while a musician does the playing. Do you think this project is worth persuing? Is there anyone who has worked in a similar direction? I'd love to hear about your sonic ventures. Cheers Nico www.recpro.ch www.myspace.com/nicospahni From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 09:33:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51A993BECF; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sTzSFsJ8Lf/9GlRYpYsxuLJrCU4nwy5xdbX2OkujYS7VVHBrXyHkh5rKTknXE+aHqhhn+hvNe2JpFrPdbKM18U3ER6KP3EeOxha/WNE5cgbD+w9UVpZXWlzrp7zC+tfdi//KFYn6rUx/aBtmkiOqDsU/WC0Rf/fnCDS4vpNmRJI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Tso5zBnXOmohB371ds5G0YohaqFXu9M5B9xrxrF5Sp4ldmSBlOa8B2Oe42h8ucQvjFeZSKBvl7kMxu4b9SFkPaXaW20BGX4JWE2nCI2wxuNsXzW1apV7Ln9S0UsgfrdlYjIsgoqmDrnfQoGGU0GOApT34LSs/bVWaaPeQkNW1RM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <796110272ee49f8079fdd7ea2b1987e6@gmx.net> References: <2fb9e4730702271227v4452d54ev4e370c7e766cf4b4@mail.gmail.com> <796110272ee49f8079fdd7ea2b1987e6@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <950DA949-5CF9-4919-903B-E8B8273AD3AB@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: new experimental music project Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:33:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:33:34 +0000 (UTC) On 28 feb 2007, at 10.15, nico spahni wrote: > I find the idea of looping someone else rather intriguing. Both > participants (the looper and the loopee :-) can explore new musical > territories that would have remained unapproachable by playing on > their own. Also, I can fully concentrate on sound processing while > a musician does the playing. > > Do you think this project is worth persuing? Is there anyone who > has worked in a similar direction? I'd love to hear about your > sonic ventures. I definitely think the looper and loopee concept is a way of performing music that may lead into otherwise hidden paths. By which I mean it's a good thing ;-)) I know Darkroom does it almost all the time and I also had the chance to try it out at Y2K6, "processing" Rick Walker's drums (and other sounding objects) while he was playing as well as looping his playing. It was nice not having to play and being able to concentrate on building all kinds of "sound happenings" to back up or comment what was played. I've always regarded looping devices as musical instruments and your idea about Looper & Loopee draws on the same attitude. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 10:06:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAA123BEB9; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=DeZBStHZhBQ0EVTwhUfR2Z/ds+67svgGwzf9XfLLhnvTRJYUOBP/S3nENF3Aix8SOvg0FbiAzcUvWDnY0y06faP8emHb5G5RlwCICsVUx5/804vJ5QR73g5LAHTgLwXAoEh+Ftoo2q9ebRBqrmZa7DCHLa9rMJOwVOV/xpBKyxU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=olPF7E268D1J4Yc2sBvuvkMJFd+psTbGpfNNDFfRf2MEtXGKn5d6YMPRkSZHxIL8r5WRk0TOz2z6pLqSb5c5KqviK5h7ZYzg/IQ1+Mz8bgN9W0A80b5RHEnfa6vW+FuBkLU8SDlUJN2HqnlD0G8iqfXvvekrtTFMj3O1YqXtkz4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:06:35 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mac titanium G4 looping? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: d4c513827ecbf777 Resent-Message-ID: <-1ucQ.A.fPE.vQV5FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:06:39 +0000 (UTC) > Sound on Sound Dec 2006, in a review of the Focusrite Saffire Pro says that latency was "noticeably high, even with small buffer sizes", due to "Apple's own Firewire driver". They were hoping that a fix from Apple would be forthcoming, and made it clear that it wasn't a shortcoming specific to that unit. Ah right. Most decent audio interfaces come with their own drivers, so this wouldn't apply. The Focusrite must be relying on generic driver built in to the OS. os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 10:39:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4ED593BECF; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:39:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:39:52 +0100 From: aandreas@gmx.ch In-Reply-To: <950DA949-5CF9-4919-903B-E8B8273AD3AB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070228103952.92840@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2fb9e4730702271227v4452d54ev4e370c7e766cf4b4@mail.gmail.com> <796110272ee49f8079fdd7ea2b1987e6@gmx.net> <950DA949-5CF9-4919-903B-E8B8273AD3AB@gmail.com> Subject: digitech xdd delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #16615515 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/QxdxnN07QaUaA9R8ZggLKqVlRyLEAZNn4GaXmfT p+5j1I5oLkp7rZWNf4jc3wR8o= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:39:54 +0000 (UTC) hi all, heres another question... anyone familiar with the digitech xdd delay? im looking for a long-time delay to complement an RC2 (in front of it). looks like this is the best offer out there. up to 4 secs, reverse, looper function, and of course feedback. anyone knows of a similarly featured pedal in the same price range? things that are not perfect on the digitech are: - no dry-mute - no 'roll out' , that - when switching it off - doesnt cut off the 'running' delays. i guess there is no cheap pedal delay out there that can do those things anyway, right? (and has at least 2.5 secs delay time) thanks again -a -- "Feel free" - 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX ProMail testen: www.gmx.net/de/go/mailfooter/promail-out From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 11:14:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C5393BECC; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=XCxYvKZ5iiavomSAfmEfbsqJmixhhnVbNAIuCSgzw0FJVgOTtoV7dtLTs/jtmbiGCod5Kj76f4Lo+OKbIL+rIZnx2DIEQZVvLdxJJqUWVkIOHmn81HvsRT74nedlIql3rI3FXuaZNH/XL4ZuDG0FCWIbL9NcdjX0wihhlOQnx/k=; X-YMail-OSG: Wz5EfH4VM1kLah4PbPFZNhHYFSDKHPsJTB_YtbJVx9x66tKkMlzob9tZBZk38sk78YduA8Xkx7oUep_HPL5LbCQ49ItEzKZgBD0XbA_yf9OdHpuKVHAS0J4jM5kl6qkbY37IfcoUOkG1qMA- Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:14:15 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: digitech xdd delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070228103952.92840@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-655764157-1172661255=:73890" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <162180.73890.qm@web53014.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:14:16 +0000 (UTC) --0-655764157-1172661255=:73890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I picked up an old zoom 508 delay pedal very cheaply recently, which is an amazing pedal for the price. It offers upto 4 seconds of delay, has a hold feature, plus a couple of really nice stereo multi-tap paradigms. I don't use mine much now, however, as there is no separate direct (wet) out, which I need. I don't think these are made any more, but it's worth looking for one 2nd hand. A better option may be the behringer virtualizer dsp 2024P... http://www.behringer.com/DSP2024P/index.cfm?lang=ENG ...which offers upto 5.4 seconds of delay, as well as a multitude of other usable effects. I rely on this a lot for my sound and would thouroughly recommend it - you should be able to buy one new for not a lot of money, Stephen aandreas@gmx.ch wrote: hi all, heres another question... anyone familiar with the digitech xdd delay? im looking for a long-time delay to complement an RC2 (in front of it). looks like this is the best offer out there. up to 4 secs, reverse, looper function, and of course feedback. anyone knows of a similarly featured pedal in the same price range? things that are not perfect on the digitech are: - no dry-mute - no 'roll out' , that - when switching it off - doesnt cut off the 'running' delays. i guess there is no cheap pedal delay out there that can do those things anyway, right? (and has at least 2.5 secs delay time) thanks again -a -- "Feel free" - 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX ProMail testen: www.gmx.net/de/go/mailfooter/promail-out --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. --0-655764157-1172661255=:73890 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I picked up an old zoom 508 delay pedal very cheaply recently, which is an amazing pedal for the price.  It offers upto 4 seconds of delay, has a hold feature, plus a couple of really nice stereo multi-tap paradigms.  I don't use mine much now, however, as there is no separate direct (wet) out, which I need.  I don't think these are made any more, but it's worth looking for one 2nd hand.

A better option may be the behringer virtualizer dsp 2024P...

http://www.behringer.com/DSP2024P/index.cfm?lang=ENG

...which offers upto 5.4 seconds of delay, as well as a multitude of other usable effects.  I rely on this a lot for my sound and would thouroughly recommend it - you should be able to buy one new for not a lot of money,

Stephen

aandreas@gmx.ch wrote:
hi all,

heres another question...
anyone familiar with the digitech xdd delay?
im looking for a long-time delay to complement an RC2 (in front of it).
looks like this is the best offer out there. up to 4 secs, reverse, looper function, and of course feedback.
anyone knows of a similarly featured pedal in the same price range?
things that are not perfect on the digitech are:
- no dry-mute
- no 'roll out' , that - when switching it off - doesnt cut off the 'running' delays.

i guess there is no cheap pedal delay out there that can do those things anyway, right? (and has at least 2.5 secs delay time)
thanks again
-a

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Search movie showtime shortcut. --0-655764157-1172661255=:73890-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 13:48:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B349F3BEC2; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:47:53 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new experimental music project In-Reply-To: <796110272ee49f8079fdd7ea2b1987e6@gmx.net> Message-ID: References: <2fb9e4730702271227v4452d54ev4e370c7e766cf4b4@mail.gmail.com> <796110272ee49f8079fdd7ea2b1987e6@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:48:47 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 28 Feb 2007, nico spahni wrote: > I'm working on a new experimental music project by the name of CAM > (Coincidental Audio Manipulation). This is the concept in a nutshell: > > An improvising musician and a sound manipulator interact musically with each > other in real-time. > > Here are some first attempts with two piano players: > > http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/sylvie_leideritz_and_cam_1.mp3 > http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/sylvie_leideritz_and_cam_2.mp3 > http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/alain_bollag_and_cam.mp3 > > I find the idea of looping someone else rather intriguing. Both participants > (the looper and the loopee :-) can explore new musical territories that would > have remained unapproachable by playing on their own. Also, I can fully > concentrate on sound processing while a musician does the playing. Same reason I find this kind of work interesting. Nice work, on the samples. > Do you think this project is worth persuing? Is there anyone who has > worked > in a similar direction? I'd love to hear about your sonic ventures. Yes, i do this kind of thing fairly often. Last year I spent several sessions working with a tuba player, feeding his mic'd tuba into my effects chain an looping and processing it in real time. More on that project I posted to the list here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200603/msg00934.html We plan to return to more work on this project this spring. Also, last summer I took a 30min live performance (that was recorded) and manipulated it live in real-time as a performance. More info in this email to the list last July: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200607/msg00305.html best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 14:32:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 135F63BECC; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fqI7XV5FCCa3ryv9rPxUNLh2w6RzKzptFcTxo2FLHkzT8Sn13l23MF5bPd7bhP4Oa1adsWDCwUZVrr/XWt7IxEc/N80TdqhrnZgR2mhM5OIoKIVpVYBaMQYwJgPNu/D2I7roiq4/uR5cAAYOhY9lfV8xcfE7nWCLO9QaOg/uKxs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=a2DD0MgQnZsddlsFqFZCfoHTWUlqnmJrVMOfyPwelj3UbD4T8sLN/t5nFhpFvfO3sXuTFPio97YYVI9zc/0WH+EjbvHDG1fU7jeYr3eL9OZnBWZ8fOHtXz+XS8kIwmbcqtDBVDB2VkLY9UQY9siczrpMKF90A4ZgXrK7TWdlN+c= Message-ID: <9e0440a60702280631h2ca10fbfg9e05f144167e01ef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:31:51 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, looppool Subject: Re: CAN YOU HELP ME Participants in the Y2K Live Looping Festivals In-Reply-To: <01c201c75a1e$f332cd20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_35882_27786137.1172673111365" References: <01c201c75a1e$f332cd20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:32:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_35882_27786137.1172673111365 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Rick... "Being part of a Y2K6 remote performance in Rick and Bill Walkers national looping festival last October was amazing for me. From a fluke meeting with another artist that has since become a partner in a new duo called Chinapainting , leading me to the NinJamtechnology that realized the possibility of live Internet-based collaboration, and introduced me to several artists in Europe involved in Y2K6's remote jams which allowed me to be part of last year's fest. All these events gave me a whole new dimension in the development, creativity and performance of my music." *Jim Goodin, NY-based composer/guitarist* http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com. Thanks for all Jim On 2/26/07, RICK WALKER wrote: > > I'm in the final stages of trying to get some public funding for the > Y2K7 International Live Looping Festival in the form of > grants. Due to illness, I am down to the last minute with my deadlines. > > Could you please help me,If you were........ > > 1) a headlined or featured performer at one of the last 5 years' > festivals > or > 2) involved in the technology end of digital live looping or > 3) have just been inspired watching performances in past festivals > > > Would you please write me a single quotable sentence > that attests to how the looping festival has favorably impacted your > career as an artist or as a technical innovator. > > These are grant applications that we are filing so the more > laudatory you can make them, the better they will enable us to > finally pay some of the people and artists who have donated > ALL of their time for free for the past five years in the presentation > of some 125 live looping artists and half a dozen technology > world premieres to the live looping community and the citizens > of Northern California. > > I thank you in advance for taking the time to help the festival > become more successful. > > We'll see as many of you as can make it to perform or enjoy the > Y2K7 International Live Looping Festival. > > yours, most sincerely, Rick Walker > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodin.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic MySpace (EoW) - http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere Acoustic World Guitar podcast series - http://jimgoodinmusic.libsyn.com The Language of 3, an introspective performance concept in acoustic music - http://www.languageof3.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_35882_27786137.1172673111365 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Rick...
 
"Being part of a Y2K6 remote performance in Rick and Bill Walkers national looping festival last October was amazing for me.  From a fluke meeting with another artist that has since become a partner in a new duo called Chinapainting, leading me to the NinJam technology that realized the possibility of live Internet-based collaboration, and introduced me to several artists in Europe involved in Y2K6's remote jams which allowed me to be part of last year's fest.  All these events gave me a whole new dimension in the development, creativity and performance of my music." Jim Goodin, NY-based composer/guitarist http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com.
 
Thanks for all Jim
 
On 2/26/07, RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
I'm in the final stages of  trying to get some public funding for the
Y2K7 International Live Looping Festival in the form of
grants.   Due to illness,  I am down to the last minute with my deadlines.

Could you please help me,If you were........

1) a  headlined or featured performer at one of the last 5 years' festivals
or
2) involved in the technology end of digital live looping or
3) have just been inspired watching performances in past festivals


Would you please write me a single quotable sentence
that attests to how the looping festival  has favorably impacted your
career as an artist or as a technical innovator.

These are grant applications that we are filing so the more
laudatory you can make them, the better they will enable us to
finally pay some of the people and artists who have donated
ALL of their time for free for the past five years in the presentation
of some 125 live looping artists and half a dozen technology
world premieres to the live looping community and the citizens
of Northern California.

I thank you in advance for taking the time to help the festival
become more successful.

We'll see as many of you as can make it to perform or enjoy the
Y2K7 International Live Looping Festival.

yours,  most sincerely,  Rick Walker




--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodin.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
MySpace (EoW) - http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere
Acoustic World Guitar podcast series - http://jimgoodinmusic.libsyn.com
The Language of 3, an introspective performance concept in acoustic music - http://www.languageof3.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_35882_27786137.1172673111365-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 14:43:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 335D13BECD; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:43:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002601c75b46$cc9120d0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <825316.51881.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: why modern music sounds bad? Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:43:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:43:31 +0000 (UTC) I put before you, yea, a fine, fine piece of looping music on Avalon, named "Tara". When I caught Roxy's show in uh, 2001 at Wembley Arena, they closed the show with it: At the beginning the entire band was there, Ferry said good night, the song began, and at each cycle of the Wetton sax, another member of the band left the stage, until the keyboardist who left the last bit of chord wash to slowly fade away. One could have recorded the whole thing and looped it perfectly. > Howdy, > > the golden rectangle thing is no doubt true, but one > listen to Roxy Music's "Avalon" album seems to > contradict the theory. > Rig > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it > now. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 15:03:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCA9B3BEB8; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00da01c75b49$97816b90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: new experimental music project Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:03:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Nico Spahni wrote: "An improvising musician and a sound manipulator interact musically with each other in real-time. Do you think this project is worth persuing? Is there anyone who has worked in a similar direction? I'd love to hear about your sonic ventures." Hi Nico, this exact concept has fascinated me for many years now and I try to use this kind of improv frequently when I collaborate with artists. At the Y2K6 Live Looping Festival, Per Boysen processed me (beautifully I might add) as I played multiple instruments with Rainer Straschill as an example. Using this concept as the center for an entire festival, I produced the first West Coast (or perhaps even American) Festival of Voice and Electronics where I assembled 10 excellent singers from wildly different styles (death metal to opera, avant garde to new age, beatboxers to pop) and assembled three 'processing' musicians, Mike Biffel (Miko B), Bill Walker and myself to process a 15 minute improvisation by each singer. L.D. avant garde looper, Matt Davignon, took this same concept and incorporated it into an artistically successful larger two city festival (or thingee as he called it) the next year. What is so beautiful about the concept is that true deep listening has to happen in order for a musically successful performance to occur. The instrumentalist cannot control what the processor does and the processor cannot control what the instrumentalist plays and yet the end results are very different aesthetically than two musicians interacting and playing instruments at the same time. On some levels it almost requires deeper listening than in a tradtional duet between instrumentalists. It forces a kind of hyper solo instrumentalism and I think frequently beautiful results can occur. Best of luck with the project and if I can ever be of service to you in your attempts please let me know. I've been doing this now for about 7 years. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 15:35:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 981893BECD; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070228104132.0444e548@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:42:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: Re: RC20-xl question In-Reply-To: References: <00df01c75853$3577ec10$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20070225200100.sw44poxn7oocw84k@69.89.21.76> <6.2.5.6.2.20070226172158.028690e0@sympatico.ca> <6.2.5.6.2.20070227213740.05ceb3f8@sympatico.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5CE10FA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi Sandy. Nope, that's great and does the trick! That plus the descriptions in the manual, and I'm all set. Much appreciated, Chris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/705 - Release Date: 2/27/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 16:11:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 714233BEC5; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:10:48 EST Subject: Re: new experimental music project To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bbc.11a5c3cf.33170388_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:11:03 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bbc.11a5c3cf.33170388_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/28/07 4:16:19 AM, nicosp@gmx.net writes: > Do you think this project is worth persuing? > absolutly!.....often, i have other players go into my mixer and send their signals to my looping gear, great fun and interesting music can be made.....i wish i could do this more often.....i think it works best if i refrain from being the god of loops and not step all over the others music.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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In a message dated 2/28/07 4:16:19 AM, nicosp@gmx.net writes:


Do you think this pro= ject is worth persuing?


absolutly!.....often, i have other players go into my mixer and send thei= r signals to my looping gear, great fun and interesting music can be made...= ..i wish i could do this more often.....i think it works best if i refrain f= rom being the god of loops and not step all over the others music.....michae= l




www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11



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AOL=20= now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL= at http://www.aol.com. --part1_bbc.11a5c3cf.33170388_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 16:42:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAFA63BED3; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:42:49 +0000 Message-Id: <022820071642.26125.45E5B1090009E09F0000660D2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26125_1172680969_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:42:55 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26125_1172680969_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Theres plenty of great music out there. Maybe more then ever. Complete with wonderful sounding production and dynamics. The problem is commercial radio sucks. So many might not hear it. Get Sirius radio. Your life will change. Bababooey to y'all MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Matthew F. McCabe" > >> We listen to music in completely different ways than we did 20 or > >> 30 years ago. For most people, music is listened to on the go, in > >> cars, on headphones while running, on computers at work. Music has > >> to compete with the sound of your car's engine, has to punch > >> through the background noise of street traffic or a loud office. > > One of the reasons I find commercial radio so unlistenable (besides > the music sucking), is that even though it is loud you can't hear a > blasted thing!! > > Matt > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26125_1172680969_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Theres plenty of great music out there. Maybe more then ever. Complete with wonderful sounding production and dynamics. The problem is commercial radio sucks. So many might not hear it. Get Sirius radio. Your life will change.
Bababooey to y'all
 
MFC
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Matthew F. McCabe" <mmccabe@finleysound.com>

> >> We listen to music in completely different ways than we did 20 or
> >> 30 years ago. For most people, music is listened to on the go, in
> >> cars, on headphones while running, on computers at work. Music has
> >> to compete with the sound of your car's engine, has to punch
> >> through the background noise of street traffic or a loud office.
>
> One of the reasons I find commercial radio so unlistenable (besides
> the music sucking), is that even though it is loud you can't hear a
> blasted thing!!
>
> Matt
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26125_1172680969_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 16:59:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F2473BED0; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:59:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <45E4ACCF.6080506@bagend.com> <20070227163578.SM00876@quahome> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--1046248015 Message-Id: From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Immersive sound, multi-speakers Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:59:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:59:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--1046248015 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed i got a great deal on a crown 6-channel amp on ebay. it works a treat in my quad setup at my studio/performance space in the brooklyn navy yard. the amp was around $200 and i got four event 20/20 speakers for another $400. a relatively reasonable expenditure and sounds awesome. i added a subwoofer for those low moog tone ... cheers bruce On Feb 27, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > If you look around you can even find one of Rane's six channel > power amps... > > On 2/27/07, Qua Veda wrote: > >> What I am still considering is a flexible, multi-speaker >> (amp/cabs)approach , at least for home use. >> I remembered a cool product that Rane makes, (SM26b , >> www.rane.com). It >> can be used to split mono or stereo inputs into multiple stereo or >> mono >> outputs. In reverse, it acts as a mixer. >> > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick --Apple-Mail-4--1046248015 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 i got a great deal on a crown = 6-channel amp on ebay. it works a treat in my quad setup at my = studio/performance space in the brooklyn navy yard. the amp was around = $200 and i got four event 20/20 speakers for another $400. a relatively = reasonable expenditure and sounds awesome. i added a subwoofer for those = low moog tone ...
cheers
bruce

On = Feb 27, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote:

If you look around you can even find one of Rane's = six channel power amps...

On 2/27/07, Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com> wrote:

What I am still considering is a = flexible,=A0 = multi-speaker
(amp/cabs)approach , at = least for home use.
I remembered a cool product = that Rane makes,=A0 (SM26b = , www.rane.com).=A0 It
can be used to split mono or stereo inputs into = multiple stereo or mono
outputs. = =A0 In reverse, it acts as = a mixer.

=

=

bruce tovsky

www.skeletonhome.com


=

"Reality is that which, when = you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."

Philip K. Dick

=

= --Apple-Mail-4--1046248015-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 17:26:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A40C3BECF; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cover artwork in digital music (was OT: The Police on Tour) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:26:08 +0000 Message-Id: <022820071726.28060.45E5BB300001143B00006D9C2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28060_1172683568_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:26:10 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28060_1172683568_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Try rolling a joint on a CD. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Josh Carroll Completely agreed! I have a friend who is quite distraught over the loss of album covers, but I think it's the common form that he misses. Personally, I think the digital medium gives much more flexibility for different types of creative artwork, etc. --Josh On Feb 27, 2007, at 2:29 AM, Per Boysen wrote: I would agree that covers are becoming irrelevant as for the practical function of containing a product. But this only makes the artwork more relevant as art. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28060_1172683568_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Try rolling a joint on a CD.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Josh Carroll <josh@infinivert.com>

Completely agreed!

I have a friend who is quite distraught over the loss of album covers, but I think it's the common form that he misses. Personally, I think the digital medium gives much more flexibility for different types of creative artwork, etc.

--Josh


On Feb 27, 2007, at 2:29 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

I would agree that covers are becoming irrelevant as for the practical function of containing a product. But this only makes the artwork more relevant as art.


--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28060_1172683568_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 17:32:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72D313BECD; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:32:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02b901c75b5e$4ec11a80$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: Re: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:31:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02B6_01C75B66.B03BA840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2007 17:31:41.0235 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EE9D830:01C75B5E] Resent-Message-ID: <9m6etD.A.kVC.Vyb5FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:32:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02B6_01C75B66.B03BA840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a pianist, i'm always looking for the 'right' piano sound. The piano sound i use, was entirely programmed by myself, on an old Korg = X-3, working a lot with eq. and reverb and i'm enough happy with it (if = you want listen to it: = http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/VIDEO/F_Anile_1st_Zurich_Loopfest.mov) But...i said "enough", not "totally".... Tha't's why, even if you use the best sampled piano or a VSTi, you'll = miss the basic element that's "expression". Electric guitar player, for example, doesn't have that problem: even if = playing an acoustic guitar is different than playing an electric guitar, = the musician doesn't loose so much expression, because the mechanism for = obtaining the sounds it's the same: a finger that hit a string. But when you play a sampled piano or a synth, you loose the 'real' = mechanism in producing sound: a finger that hits a key, an hammer that = hits a string..=20 That's the big limit in piano emulation.=20 When i studied classic piano, the first technic' study was to reach the = same strenght on all the 10 fingers; strenght is different than get a = loud sound, because the strenght of your finger is necessary to get = exactly the sound you want from "that" finger. A pianissimo played with your 5=B0 finger of your left hand has to sound = exactly like if you're playing with the 2nd finger of your right hand, = and so on. As you may know...it seems...but it's not so easy.... Even if all keyboards nowdays are touch sensitive, they miss the "real" = response to the strenght of your fingers and the conclusion is that all = the intensity variations you can get from a piano are nearly impossible = from a synth. That's why, i'm now thinking that the best thing is buy a r e a l = electric piano (there are a lot out of here, much or less expensive) = with a good sound and - a b s o l u t e l y - weighted keys. My 2 cents...in my poor english.... Best fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ------=_NextPart_000_02B6_01C75B66.B03BA840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As a pianist,  i'm always looking for the 'right' piano=20 sound.
The piano sound i use, was entirely programmed by myself, on = an old=20 Korg X-3, working a lot with eq. and reverb and i'm enough = happy with=20 it (if you want listen to it: http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/VIDEO/F_Anile_1st_Zurich_Loopfe= st.mov)
But...i said "enough", not "totally"....
Tha't's why, even if you use the best sampled piano or a VSTi, = you'll=20 miss the basic element  that's "expression".
Electric guitar player, for example, doesn't have that problem: = even if=20 playing an acoustic guitar is different than playing an electric guitar, = the=20 musician doesn't loose so much expression, because the mechanism for = obtaining=20 the sounds it's the same: a finger that hit a string.
But when you play a sampled piano or a synth, you loose the 'real'=20 mechanism in producing sound: a finger that hits a key, an hammer that = hits a=20 string.. 
That's the big limit in piano emulation.
When i studied classic piano, the first technic' study = was to=20 reach the same strenght  on all the 10 fingers; strenght is = different than=20 get a loud sound, because the strenght of your finger is necessary = to get=20 exactly the sound you want from "that" finger.
A pianissimo played with your 5=B0 finger of your left = hand has to=20 sound exactly like if you're playing with the 2nd finger of your right = hand, and=20 so on. As you may know...it seems...but it's not so easy....
Even if all keyboards nowdays are touch sensitive, they miss the = "real"=20 response to the strenght of your fingers and the conclusion is that all = the=20 intensity variations you can get from a piano are nearly impossible from = a=20 synth.
That's why, i'm now thinking that the best thing is buy = a  r=20 e a l  electric piano (there are a lot out of here, much or = less=20 expensive) with a good sound and - a b s o l u t e l y  - = weighted=20 keys.
My 2 cents...in my poor english....
Best
 
fabio
http://xoomer.alice.it/eteroge= neo
www.myspace.com/eterogeneo=
 
------=_NextPart_000_02B6_01C75B66.B03BA840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 17:32:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAF043BEDB; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=OvZpIUZs6iKPyZXtwxbEHXrE6OVJvOjkJ8GPcuKsJIUuVxtyOVs6vGI7jz/yHNKDvTuOVhciBCw4elQ4xT4gt3dHM2bwYYrssBaRgvNGl29Ks758RwaSXl8E2ODJmpZnug9gZCnPadf5221iyxGsseFEdczpqeX6NJUjyH7on6k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=lZb5cpKjl3/O7LbLpx/SjHFedcTBij3qOrR2l+7SfZ6TOl4GJd821/+gjl4vNmPGVJCMyTQAqCknuUb5XnBY/eshX3aVLCvTdpLsOH65kk8SlKVYHPm8aJpmfp4qYTgQ/xBL+Y4qTUl/RwmMe23lc+L1O/d6KIygV68Kc141Jy0= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:32:43 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible In-Reply-To: <022820071642.26125.45E5B1090009E09F0000660D2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_46516_21970616.1172683963699" References: <022820071642.26125.45E5B1090009E09F0000660D2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:32:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_46516_21970616.1172683963699 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This is my current favorite "radio" station. www.last.fm type in a band name and the station plays related bands. I put in King Crimson and got Van der Graaf Generator, Spock's Beard, Camel, Caravan, Gong, Gentle Giant, Mahavishnu Orch., Soft Machine, Doors, The Mars Volta, Tool, Zappa... Tony On 2/28/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > Theres plenty of great music out there. Maybe more then ever. Complete > with wonderful sounding production and dynamics. The problem is commercial > radio sucks. So many might not hear it. Get Sirius radio. Your life will > change. > Bababooey to y'all > > MFC > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Matthew F. McCabe" > > > >> We listen to music in completely different ways than we did 20 or > > >> 30 years ago. For most people, music is listened to on the go, in > > >> cars, on headphones while running, on computers at work. Music has > > >> to compete with the sound of your car's engine, has to punch > > >> through the background noise of street traffic or a loud office. > > > > One of the reasons I find commercial radio so unlistenable (besides > > the music sucking), is that even though it is loud you can't hear a > > blasted thing!! > > > > Matt > > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ ------=_Part_46516_21970616.1172683963699 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This is my current favorite "radio" station.

www.last.fm

type in a band name and the station plays related bands.  I put in King Crimson and got  Van der Graaf Generator, Spock's Beard, Camel, Caravan, Gong, Gentle Giant, Mahavishnu Orch., Soft Machine, Doors, The Mars Volta, Tool, Zappa...

Tony

On 2/28/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net < midifriedchicken@comcast.net> wrote:
Theres plenty of great music out there. Maybe more then ever. Complete with wonderful sounding production and dynamics. The problem is commercial radio sucks. So many might not hear it. Get Sirius radio. Your life will change.
Bababooey to y'all
 
MFC
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Matthew F. McCabe" < mmccabe@finleysound.com>

> >> We listen to music in completely different ways than we did 20 or
> >> 30 years ago. For most people, music is listened to on the go, in
> >> cars, on headphones while running, on computers at work. Music has
> >> to compete with the sound of your car's engine, has to punch
> >> through the background noise of street traffic or a loud office.
>
> One of the reasons I find commercial radio so unlistenable (besides
> the music sucking), is that even though it is loud you can't hear a
> blasted thing!!
>
> Matt
>



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http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ ------=_Part_46516_21970616.1172683963699-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 18:01:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7751F3BEB5; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <022820071726.28060.45E5BB300001143B00006D9C2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <022820071726.28060.45E5BB300001143B00006D9C2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--1042526751 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Cover artwork in digital music (was OT: The Police on Tour) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:01:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:01:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--1042526751 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'm smiling! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 28-Feb-07, at 9:26 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Try rolling a joint on a CD. > =A0 >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: Josh Carroll >> >> Completely agreed! >> >> I have a friend who is quite distraught over the loss of album=20 >> covers, but I think it's the common form that he misses. Personally,=20= >> I think the digital medium gives much more flexibility for different=20= >> types of creative artwork, etc. >> >> --Josh >> >> >> On Feb 27, 2007, at 2:29 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> I would agree that covers are becoming irrelevant as for the=20 >>> practical function of containing a product. But this only makes the=20= >>> artwork more relevant as art.= --Apple-Mail-2--1042526751 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm smiling! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 28-Feb-07, at 9:26 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: Try rolling a joint on a CD. =A0 -------------- Original message --------------=20 From: Josh Carroll < Completely agreed! I have a friend who is quite distraught over the loss of album covers, but I think it's the common form that he misses. Personally, I think the digital medium gives much more flexibility for different types of creative artwork, etc. --Josh On Feb 27, 2007, at 2:29 AM, Per Boysen wrote: Lucida GrandeI would agree that covers are becoming irrelevant as for the practical function of containing a product. But this only makes the artwork more relevant as art.= --Apple-Mail-2--1042526751-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 18:12:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC5773BEDB; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fn+7Rmv6j9zr/y6Jx9EQ725NR5VgktUUQohMyZ7jObAhA2zOLh0ZvsjdQ+/dpJ8KIl0xaLjc8pm4uE9LrDcREBaRV8DBEj7aTpiR+0P80m2ewU7nBMzmJ9uUj0KTVYU6KJTZjoXArvusH2ygKhrnBhC7nfIfqCXqW4GMYBMOMsU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kZcp+SMT2nZ7I2nzHwYUbqxdJbl1LBsrO1N0rHHBDJOSnrHN7Rml+6Tl7aq0f98vXU5KrDAUMOZBd0BFJNug3aamBZgsuikWP9m4xCrgl3pjmogSQLtuQcxv6Gl2Q+vxel74PBFd2aRanB1nxtrt5PEggXgK7SMv3SGblPeRXRA= In-Reply-To: <02b901c75b5e$4ec11a80$e701a8c0@pcfabio> References: <02b901c75b5e$4ec11a80$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:12:24 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:12:31 +0000 (UTC) On 28 feb 2007, at 18.31, Fabio Anile wrote: > That's why, i'm now thinking that the best thing is buy a r e a l > electric piano (there are a lot out of here, much or less > expensive) with a good sound and - a b s o l u t e l y - weighted > keys. Fabio, have you heard the news? "The Real Rhodes is Back"! http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/01/19/namm-gallery-the-rhodes-is- back-in-all-its-retro-glory/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 18:19:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B24F93BEDB; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.196.3.133] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070228103952.92840@gmx.net> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: digitech xdd delay Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:19:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2007 18:19:53.0517 (UTC) FILETIME=[0AD90DD0:01C75B65] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:19:54 +0000 (UTC) >From: aandreas@gmx.ch >anyone knows of a similarly featured pedal in the same price range? >things that are not perfect on the digitech are: >- no dry-mute >- no 'roll out' , that - when switching it off - doesnt cut off the >'running' delays. doesn't the akai headrush do both of these? separate outs for fx only and it has "spillover" when you turn it off (although not at maximum feedback for some reason) _________________________________________________________________ Rate your skiving credentials with our Slack-o-meter http://www.slack-o-meter.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 18:27:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D34F83BEB9; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070228133402.027a4f38@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:34:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: Re: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth In-Reply-To: References: <02b901c75b5e$4ec11a80$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-A3C119F Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Wow, very cool! Check out the free VST synth called Mr. Ray, presumably referring to Ray Charles. Chris, born in 76 so getting into those old classic sounds just now! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/705 - Release Date: 2/27/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 18:30:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 369213BED8; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What Causes EDP Sync Drift? Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:30:26 +0000 Message-Id: <022820071830.12576.45E5CA42000D6242000031202215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12576_1172687426_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:30:29 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12576_1172687426_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Im noticing that after about 2 minutes of playing while synced to Ableton Live, it begins to drift a little. "Realign" helps a little. But is there a fix? MFC --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12576_1172687426_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Im noticing that after about 2 minutes of playing while synced to Ableton Live, it begins to drift a little. "Realign" helps a little. But is there a fix?
 
MFC
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12576_1172687426_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 18:49:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23E513BED9; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "greg williams" To: Subject: NYT, American Idiot and Snarky Responses Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:50:24 -0800 Message-ID: <000301c75b69$4e817870$76f8bb43@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcdbaU4mK7Hv4yQqTuKRGZ2X+YaC6g== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <4bVfRB.A.kc.S7c5FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Hey folks, The New York Times actually posted one of my comments on their site this morning. The question was: Why do you think the TV show 'American Idol' is such a success? My late-night snarky response: 1.February 28th, 2007 4:37 am Why is American Idol such a success? Perhaps because it allows the woefully musically undereducated American masses the opportunity to play 'armchair music critic' to a bunch of Karaoke singers, wherein creativity is confined to 'song selection'. I also suspect that viewers tune in voyeuristically to watch young hopefuls get humiliated in public, a fact which is supported by ratings. Sad but true. - Posted by Greg Williams The link is here in case you want to post your own or read others responses: http://news.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/02/28/the-idol-juggernaut/ They didn't print my first response, assumingly because it was deemed 'abusive' - I've gotten that from their editors before. I don't think it was abusive; I only used the word 'F-ing' once. I did use the term 'American Idiot' pretty liberally though, and concluded it with the sentence, 'Please find a more worthy way of spending your evenings, like laying on your bed staring at the ceiling.' Like I said, I was feeling a bit snarky. All for now, ~G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 18:50:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 991753BEDD; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.177] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070228173213.0B9783BEDE@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: cover art Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:50:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2007 18:50:45.0644 (UTC) FILETIME=[5ACD34C0:01C75B69] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Cd covers are too small to be as visually engaging as a one foot lp,the joints people roll on 'em are a lot smaller too. _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 19:49:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 083B93BED8; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:49:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=TG7EuTBJWP4XUX14n0sCNvCnlfJz6f3CZ9D0jUK6FkBCFgzB2gBsC0A/9PwHyO9GuQRVRFhn5/yT72FMNYFSuZondX8y7rZZBceYFGRWetXd5Aqf29nO6EKLLPlxsQsR4elSrFjwygtrTU1X7gJBZFQX50ToFyUsL2QHZlN/ac4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=G5NOMVjY2uNEAlY5RwxEXLcLlLOYdrQRrLEe5+rm5kgRfovPJhY7Xmc15/zSczaFcKFQxKcTJeBCTVcvxyeL44IliWpdVZGhOVwBNOime8zCffGCOmpWcZrmFbn/+ut20Dvr5050DhSM1m/rinzp26wAd3h9p956F8SvlWKY1w4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: cover art Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:49:00 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <28Ej.A.ShE.yyd5FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:49:07 +0000 (UTC) On 28 feb 2007, at 19.50, samba - wrote: > Cd covers are too small to be as visually engaging as a one foot > lp,the joints people roll on 'em are a lot smaller too. Be warned - jewel cd boxes make toxic joints! p ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 20:03:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D86733BED8; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:00:11 -0500 Subject: cd covers... From: Joseph Allen Popp To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:03:18 +0000 (UTC) I know you're all creative and probably don't need it, but I am a visual artist, as well as a Looper, and I would like to let you all know that I am available to do CD cover art. Some of my images may be viewed at: http://www.photomediacenter.org/popp/popphome.html I am new to Loopers Delight, but I'm 52 years old and have been playing with layers of sound for many years. I just purchased the RC-50, and have yet to plug it in! It just came in the mail TODAY! Yum! You can hear a sample of my solo work at: http://playerie.com/artists/joe_popp/index.html You can hear my band: Joseph Allen Popp's WEIRDO THEATRE at: http://playerie.com/artists/weirdo_theater/index.html Let me know what you think, sound-wise and or visually... Nice to be here... Joe Popp -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 20:11:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A6CD3BEC5; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:11:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ujSzNYnvJ9J6if4QyQJ2qtLUNQs0XGEQkYiFU4yZgLgof+t0c/zl3VfXozQRyVoNyDVuZGc0qWYDHl5ssaemHfcKrnzVYdnN3BP846R3jAqLMZB4TB8gr8nnpsDxL9XUN7OxGzjGElr/qvwql9NP6udh0lzf31+UKIYpAq26S6g=; X-YMail-OSG: 4_BPU.MVM1mv31jwcc7GaJmIJpqd1RsODM2paIM108V.0lrhPnwDuPff_nqy.CFv5alCpf.lQGpa8NBAqtGd9maccPsi0068WycUf89XTFSa1YT3q8OFMT62R3.Cax.ta0BwUbDSBI1oZMM- Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:11:52 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: digitech x-delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070228143203.9B1AC3BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1909168742-1172693512=:64738" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <619418.64738.qm@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:11:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-1909168742-1172693512=:64738 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i will say that i found the digitech x-delay a very useful tool for the price (99$). the 4 sec of delay was more than enough for me most of the time, and i liked being able to manipulate the decay (feedback rate) and mess w/ the time a bit-should not the messing w/ the time isn't perfect, but is useful (ie: short to long or long to short). i liked that if you put the feedback at 100% it locks in, i think when you put the feedback knob at about 4o'clock allows you to continue to enter stuff to the delay-a handy option. i didn't use the sound on sound which is more of a sample-based option-didn't use b/c i generally don't "STOMP" on my pedals-use mostly by hand.... i also liked the reverse delay, also very handy and useful. the tape delays were good, and gave a good approx. of the echoplex messing w/ time, not as exact as actual sounds i've heard (think tommy bolin or steve stevens etc), but decent. i would think that if the x-delay is placed before the boss rc-2, you could do crazy delay maniplations and then capture them to the rc-2 to play over, etc..... s---- ps-i should qualify that my xdelay is put away now in favor of using a digitech rp150 (which has 5 sec of delay) and my boss dd20. the rp150 is their new multieffects box, not a delay persay, but is handy. i was playing around w/ the analog delay on it the other night and it gets some nice twisted sounds.... --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? 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i will say that i found the digitech x-delay a very useful tool for the price (99$).
the 4 sec of delay was more than enough for me most of the time, and i liked being able
to manipulate the decay (feedback rate) and mess w/ the time a bit-should not the messing w/ the time isn't perfect, but is useful (ie: short to long or long to short).
i liked that if you put the feedback at 100% it locks in, i think when you put the feedback knob at about 4o'clock allows you to continue to enter stuff to the delay-a handy option.
i didn't use the sound on sound which is more of a sample-based option-didn't use b/c i generally don't "STOMP" on my pedals-use mostly by hand....
i also liked the reverse delay, also very handy and useful.
the tape delays were good, and gave a good approx. of the echoplex messing w/ time, not as exact as actual sounds i've heard (think tommy bolin or steve stevens etc), but decent.
 
i would think that if the x-delay is placed before the boss rc-2, you could do crazy delay maniplations and then capture them to the rc-2 to play over, etc.....
s----
ps-i should qualify that my xdelay is put away now in favor of using a digitech rp150 (which has 5 sec of delay) and my boss dd20. the rp150 is their new multieffects box, not a delay persay, but is handy. i was playing around w/ the analog delay on it the other night and it gets some nice twisted sounds....


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TV. --0-1909168742-1172693512=:64738-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 20:15:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 134273BEDB; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1tAOExLG9X+lm4OL3XWirko1L+9oPN2XpESZVua913RTURfO7Lri0pjkXJ33l622GXwlBBsogGNha02OaBisW4EECed1FOEp9x6xe6XzPZkofO4hrFVSl4vKaVL41Oyh22YVAj64PrFgFyOLyBN9fsEpYmVcE2Du7WM9YdRitKI=; X-YMail-OSG: 3GkpW8EVM1kMr726ogAcTXtJmuyX4Db2fzSv9Ilyk9.JeQG5sgWSHbOkCkxllIlCRA-- Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:15:06 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: cover art To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <308737.13840.qm@web31908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:15:07 +0000 (UTC) toxic?... --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 28 feb 2007, at 19.50, samba - wrote: > > > Cd covers are too small to be as visually > engaging as a one foot > > lp,the joints people roll on 'em are a lot smaller > too. > > Be warned - jewel cd boxes make toxic joints! > > p ;-) > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 20:35:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D37AE3BECF; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <22839416.1172694949249.JavaMail.root@fepweb02> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:35:49 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cd covers... Cc: Joseph Allen Popp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.252.252 by mail.charter.net; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:35:48 -0500 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Wow! And howdy! Good stuff on all counts.=20 Your collage graphic approach reminds me a bit of the person who does some = of Bill Laswells record sleeve art. Very cool. Your MP3 "ISpy" gives a good picture of what it might be like if Captain B= eefheart jammed with Eivend Aaset. Cool again. As another visual artist and guitarist/looper of 50+ age let me bid you wel= come aboard!!! -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Joseph Allen Popp wrote:=20 > I know you're all creative and probably don't need it, but I am a visual > artist, as well as a Looper, and I would like to let you all know that I = am > available to do CD cover art. Some of my images may be viewed at: >=20 > http://www.photomediacenter.org/popp/popphome.html >=20 > I am new to Loopers Delight, but I'm 52 years old and have been playing w= ith > layers of sound for many years. I just purchased the RC-50, and have yet= to > plug it in! It just came in the mail TODAY! Yum! You can hear a sample= of > my solo work at: >=20 > http://playerie.com/artists/joe_popp/index.html >=20 > You can hear my band: > Joseph Allen Popp's WEIRDO THEATRE at: >=20 > http://playerie.com/artists/weirdo_theater/index.html >=20 > Let me know what you think, sound-wise and or visually... > Nice to be here... > Joe Popp > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 20:54:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9459D3BED8; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:51:20 -0500 Subject: Re: cd covers... From: Joseph Allen Popp To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <22839416.1172694949249.JavaMail.root@fepweb02> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Thanks alot, I'm an old Beefheart lover. Now, where do I discover the musi= c of Eivend Aaset? Thanks you for your taking the time to investigate my links! I'm already having a good time here! Joe Popp on 2/28/07 3:35 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn at tedkillian@charter.net wrote: > Wow! And howdy! >=20 > Good stuff on all counts. >=20 > Your collage graphic approach reminds me a bit of the person who does som= e of > Bill Laswells record sleeve art. >=20 > Very cool. >=20 > Your MP3 "ISpy" gives a good picture of what it might be like if Captain > Beefheart jammed with Eivend Aaset. >=20 > Cool again. >=20 > As another visual artist and guitarist/looper of 50+ age let me bid you > welcome aboard!!! >=20 > -- >=20 > tEd =AE kiLLiAn >=20 > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" >=20 > Flux Aeterna:=20 > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D63= 78076 >=20 > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id=3D= 12119 > 7000042 >=20 > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? >=20 > ---- Joseph Allen Popp wrote: >> I know you're all creative and probably don't need it, but I am a visual >> artist, as well as a Looper, and I would like to let you all know that I= am >> available to do CD cover art. Some of my images may be viewed at: >>=20 >> http://www.photomediacenter.org/popp/popphome.html >>=20 >> I am new to Loopers Delight, but I'm 52 years old and have been playing = with >> layers of sound for many years. I just purchased the RC-50, and have ye= t to >> plug it in! It just came in the mail TODAY! Yum! You can hear a sampl= e of >> my solo work at: >>=20 >> http://playerie.com/artists/joe_popp/index.html >>=20 >> You can hear my band: >> Joseph Allen Popp's WEIRDO THEATRE at: >>=20 >> http://playerie.com/artists/weirdo_theater/index.html >>=20 >> Let me know what you think, sound-wise and or visually... >> Nice to be here... >> Joe Popp >> -- >=20 --=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 21:06:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C8193BEC5; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <460978764.1172696786200.JavaMail.root@fepweb02> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:06:26 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cd covers... Cc: Joseph Allen Popp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.252.252 by mail.charter.net; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:06:25 -0500 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Doggone, I can't type for beans.=20 The spelling is Eivind Aarset.=20 Stoopid me.=20 Google that new spelling and you should come up with some stuff. tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Joseph Allen Popp wrote:=20 > Thanks alot, I'm an old Beefheart lover. Now, where do I discover the mu= sic > of Eivend Aaset? Thanks you for your taking the time to investigate my > links! I'm already having a good time here! > Joe Popp >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > on 2/28/07 3:35 PM, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn at tedkillian@charter.net wrote: >=20 > > Wow! And howdy! > >=20 > > Good stuff on all counts. > >=20 > > Your collage graphic approach reminds me a bit of the person who does s= ome of > > Bill Laswells record sleeve art. > >=20 > > Very cool. > >=20 > > Your MP3 "ISpy" gives a good picture of what it might be like if Capta= in > > Beefheart jammed with Eivend Aaset. > >=20 > > Cool again. > >=20 > > As another visual artist and guitarist/looper of 50+ age let me bid you > > welcome aboard!!! > >=20 > > -- > >=20 > > tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn > >=20 > > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > >=20 > > Flux Aeterna:=20 > > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId= =3D6378076 > >=20 > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 > > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 > > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile= &id=3D12119 > > 7000042 > >=20 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > >=20 > > ---- Joseph Allen Popp wrote: > >> I know you're all creative and probably don't need it, but I am a visu= al > >> artist, as well as a Looper, and I would like to let you all know that= I am > >> available to do CD cover art. Some of my images may be viewed at: > >>=20 > >> http://www.photomediacenter.org/popp/popphome.html > >>=20 > >> I am new to Loopers Delight, but I'm 52 years old and have been playin= g with > >> layers of sound for many years. I just purchased the RC-50, and have = yet to > >> plug it in! It just came in the mail TODAY! Yum! You can hear a sam= ple of > >> my solo work at: > >>=20 > >> http://playerie.com/artists/joe_popp/index.html > >>=20 > >> You can hear my band: > >> Joseph Allen Popp's WEIRDO THEATRE at: > >>=20 > >> http://playerie.com/artists/weirdo_theater/index.html > >>=20 > >> Let me know what you think, sound-wise and or visually... > >> Nice to be here... > >> Joe Popp > >> -- > >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 21:51:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE27C3BEC2; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--1028711479 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: cd covers... Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:51:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:51:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--1028711479 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Very cool stuff, Joe! And... plug that RC50 in now! A whole world of wonder awaits you. Seriously. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 28-Feb-07, at 11:00 AM, Joseph Allen Popp wrote: > I know you're all creative and probably don't need it, but I am a > visual > artist, as well as a Looper, and I would like to let you all know that > I am > available to do CD cover art. Some of my images may be viewed at: > > http://www.photomediacenter.org/popp/popphome.html > > I am new to Loopers Delight, but I'm 52 years old and have been > playing with > layers of sound for many years. I just purchased the RC-50, and have > yet to > plug it in! It just came in the mail TODAY! Yum! You can hear a > sample of > my solo work at: > > http://playerie.com/artists/joe_popp/index.html > > You can hear my band: > Joseph Allen Popp's WEIRDO THEATRE at: > > http://playerie.com/artists/weirdo_theater/index.html > > Let me know what you think, sound-wise and or visually... > Nice to be here... > Joe Popp > -- > --Apple-Mail-1--1028711479 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Very cool stuff, Joe! And... plug that RC50 in now! A whole world of wonder awaits you. Seriously. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 28-Feb-07, at 11:00 AM, Joseph Allen Popp wrote: I know you're all creative and probably don't need it, but I am a visual artist, as well as a Looper, and I would like to let you all know that I am available to do CD cover art. Some of my images may be viewed at: http://www.photomediacenter.org/popp/popphome.html I am new to Loopers Delight, but I'm 52 years old and have been playing with layers of sound for many years. I just purchased the RC-50, and have yet to plug it in! It just came in the mail TODAY! Yum! You can hear a sample of my solo work at: http://playerie.com/artists/joe_popp/index.html You can hear my band: Joseph Allen Popp's WEIRDO THEATRE at: http://playerie.com/artists/weirdo_theater/index.html Let me know what you think, sound-wise and or visually... Nice to be here... Joe Popp -- --Apple-Mail-1--1028711479-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 23:28:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56F7F3BEC7; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E6101A.5030406@adelphia.net> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:28:26 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new experimental music project References: <2fb9e4730702271227v4452d54ev4e370c7e766cf4b4@mail.gmail.com> <796110272ee49f8079fdd7ea2b1987e6@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <796110272ee49f8079fdd7ea2b1987e6@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:28:54 +0000 (UTC) nico spahni wrote: > I'm working on a new experimental music project by the name of CAM > (Coincidental Audio Manipulation). This is the concept in a nutshell: > > An improvising musician and a sound manipulator interact musically with > each other in real-time. > > Here are some first attempts with two piano players: > > http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/sylvie_leideritz_and_cam_1.mp3 > http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/sylvie_leideritz_and_cam_2.mp3 > http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/alain_bollag_and_cam.mp3 > > I find the idea of looping someone else rather intriguing. Both > participants (the looper and the loopee :-) can explore new musical > territories that would have remained unapproachable by playing on their > own. Also, I can fully concentrate on sound processing while a musician > does the playing. > > Do you think this project is worth persuing? Is there anyone who has > worked in a similar direction? I'd love to hear about your sonic ventures. I did something similar two or three years ago. I fed my soprano sax into Tim Walters' laptop, and he did all kinds of real-time damage with a bunch of Supercollider code he had written. Unlike your stuff, it was monophonic, but Tim's processing was so creative that the results were still interesting, at least to my ears. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 23:37:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6C6E3BED3; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:37:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3985.69.59.206.219.1172705869.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070228133402.027a4f38@sympatico.ca> References: <02b901c75b5e$4ec11a80$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <6.2.5.6.2.20070228133402.027a4f38@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:37:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.438, required 6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.96) X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner-From: improv@peak.org X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:37:59 +0000 (UTC) > Wow, very cool! > > Check out the free VST synth called Mr. Ray, presumably referring > to Ray Charles. I use Mr. Ray, Mr. Tramp (wurly emulator) and Organized Trio (B3 emulator), all by the same developer, in my live laptop setup as my basic keyboard sounds. I also have Logic on the studio G5, and I honestly like Mr. Ray better than the EVP88 Rhodes in Logic. Neither really sound like a Rhodes to me, but Mr. Ray has a character and responsiveness that feels like a real electromechanical piano. Also, Mr. Ray takes effects and looping very nicely. Organized Trio is remarkably close to EVB3, the amp simulation doesn't quite have the same grit, but the rest is really close to my ears. Given the price (free if you don't mind the nag screen), these vsti's are awesome. Still haven't found a freeware acoustic piano I like, though. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content, and is believed to be clean.

Hi Monk,

Do I know you, or do I know your friend = ? ;-)=20
It's just because I am kind-of reading the spec of what I have=20 currently
designed in your post :-)
I'm about to launch the = "GORDIUS=20 Little Giant", and indeed I don't need to
write down the specs, I = can=20 (almost) copy-and-paste from your post :

here are the=20 basics..

250 name-able patches, 250 banks of up to 32 switches = linked=20 to any of the
patches.

each switch could send any midi = command and=20 any combination of midi commands
over any channel or combination=20 thereof.

2 cv pedal inputs for continuos control

large = readable=20 display.


You can check it out on http://www.gordius.be , = pictures=20 of the floorboard
will be added somewhere next week...
I just = joined=20 this forum because I'm "curious about the market" too=20 :-)



-----Original Message-----
From: monk=20 [mailto:monk@fuse.net]
Sent: maandag 19 februari 2007 16:52
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: ping -midi=20 pedals?

hello everyone.


this is just a heads-up. i = have a=20 friend who is building midi pedals.
very cool with relatively = small=20 footprints.

i've been using the fabled Lake Butler Midigator = pedal for=20 ten years or so
and he's curious about the market for something = similar=20 with more ergonomic
switches and smaller footprint.

here are = the=20 basics..

256 (or more) name-able patches with up to 5 dedicated = switches per patch.

each switch could send any midi command and = any=20 combination of midi commands
over any channel or combination=20 thereof.

2 cv pedal inputs for continuos control

large = readable=20 display.




my questions are:

1) anyone = interested=20 ?

2) how much is something like that worth to you?

3) = are there=20 needs that are not addressed in the above=20 = description?

thanks



monk@fuse.net


www.ri= chordinski.com

www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic


------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C75469.E4868970-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 20:07:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3039B3BF6E; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:07:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <45DA0B48.1000508@imt.net> References: <073701c7545c$35a6b270$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DA0B48.1000508@imt.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-334894124 Message-Id: <34988470d23e3b65eed445487fcea49e@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:07:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:07:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-334894124 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed A Korg Lambda! Do you still use it? richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Feb-07, at 12:40 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: > You can always see my studio mess as of last year (a few thing have > changed around the studio..since..I went insaneee. hehe. Remembering > that old pink panther film...) at www.imt.net/~sounddoctorin complete > with keyboards you can click on to hear a quick sample of how they > respond to mods etc. usually. I threw that together real quick and > should go through and update it all. I have to get my OB-8 fixed > again to include it too....and add the Prophet 5, CS60 and some > polysix and mono/poly stuff along with some others that weren't in > there at the time. -Bob > --Apple-Mail-1-334894124 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII A Korg Lambda! Do you still use it? Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Feb-07, at 12:40 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: You can always see my studio mess as of last year (a few thing have changed around the studio..since..I went insaneee. hehe. Remembering that old pink panther film...) at www.imt.net/~sounddoctorin complete with keyboards you can click on to hear a quick sample of how they respond to mods etc. usually. I threw that together real quick and should go through and update it all. I have to get my OB-8 fixed again to include it too....and add the Prophet 5, CS60 and some polysix and mono/poly stuff along with some others that weren't in there at the time. -Bob --Apple-Mail-1-334894124-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 20:13:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D74773BF6E; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DA04F4.9080405@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:13:40 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Here's mine.... http://www.swanwelder.com/gfx/setup.jpg Tascam 424, Panasonic dictating machine in the effects loop, DOD punch-in pedal. Sometimes I'll throw one of several Effector13 fuzzboxes in front, but usually I just generate distortion through abusing the inputs. I haven't used this exact rig live yet (unless you count Ninjam), but with similiar setups I just ran loops into any old tube Fender, always separate from my straight guitar sound. Four-tracks are stereo but I never bothered adding a third amp to handle that. The green sticker on the Panasonic says "$6.99", which is the price I paid at Goodwill. The Tascam was $60, the DOD pedal $9.99. If anyone has me beat on the cheap-ass front, I salute you. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Hi folks, what about posting pictures of your rig? there is probably > not one alike out there. Im interested in what experiences people > have, specially in operating in strereo /mono use of fx before/after > looper, regarding monitoring, use of microphones in a loop setup etc > etc... use of laptop/ software in this context > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 20:16:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09D3A3BF45; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DA13E4.8020702@imt.net> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:17:24 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... References: <073701c7545c$35a6b270$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DA0B48.1000508@imt.net> <34988470d23e3b65eed445487fcea49e@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <34988470d23e3b65eed445487fcea49e@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Oh yeah. I'm going to try to incorporate it into some work here soon. (For those who don't know It's a philosophical cousin the polymoog...which has some interconnect problems again..*sigh*... Lambda is a fully polyphonic machine like it in many ways but more limited of course in programmability. But it's definitely the best of the string machines in terms of smoothness and reliability :-).) I have the delta and Sigma also of the series. Sigma has the dual joysticks one for std. pitch/mods and one for high/lowpass filter and with the cupped joysticks I instlaled you can move them both with one hand while hitting the portamento switch with the middle finger. hehe. Bad little monosynth. -Bob Richard Sales wrote: > A Korg Lambda! Do you still use it? > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 19-Feb-07, at 12:40 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: > > You can always see my studio mess as of last year (a few thing > have changed around the studio..since..I went insaneee. hehe. > Remembering that old pink panther film...) at > www.imt.net/~sounddoctorin complete with keyboards you can click > on to hear a quick sample of how they respond to mods etc. > usually. I threw that together real quick and should go through > and update it all. I have to get my OB-8 fixed again to include it > too....and add the Prophet 5, CS60 and some polysix and mono/poly > stuff along with some others that weren't in there at the time. -Bob > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 20:21:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CC973BF4C; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DA1507.1020403@imt.net> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:22:15 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <20070219200324.27F6C22011C@assei1bl6.telenet-ops.be> In-Reply-To: <20070219200324.27F6C22011C@assei1bl6.telenet-ops.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Hey..I know. How about a plug in for an optional remote K-mart blue light special surplus light retro'd w/ a servo motor! hehe. But seriously yeah that would be good and probably a click jack for using an earphone as well wouldn't be a bad thing. If we americans can get off our tail and do something maybe the $ will be worth more again. Hehe. I'm trying to finish up a few projects I've had stacked up for a while. Worked in a board this weekend that wound up having not one but what at least 5 issues so far...and the last one is from Neptune of course. Stuff like that makes it LOOK like I do nothing of late. -Bob GORDIUS info wrote: > ok, I'll pick a few of the easy things out and get busy ! The hard > stuff I leave to Bob ;-) > > the smaller and USB-enabled FCB1010 is on its way. > > the small bluetooth LCD : that's a cool idea ! I'll really look into > that. One day. It would immediately solve the request of kkissinger > for a remote tempo LED too. > > Oh and... under $300 won't be a problem, once that 1 $ is worth a few > times more then 1 € :-)) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* midifriedchicken@comcast.net > [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net] > *Sent:* maandag 19 februari 2007 18:41 > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* RE: Considering building an ultimate looper... > > I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some trouble. > Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. All the > same functions. > Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!! > Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. With 10 > or so built in options of layouts. But also capable of custom layouts. > 10 gigs of storage. > Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic stand. > Firewire, or USB connections. > Balanced and Unbalanced outs. > VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be > controlled seamlessly. > 1 Rack space > under $300 > Free 24 hour support line. > > Now, get busy. > > > MFC > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "GORDIUS info" > > > > > I'd like to add one question to this : > > What kind of (physical) volume control device do you target, > Bob? Something > > else than a foot pedal? > > I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new design for a > > MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the > "physical range" of > > a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have > trouble making > > small enough movements to change the control value with 1 single > step in the > > 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't make > any sense > > when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of > controller in > > mind? > > > > (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make > it a > > non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you will get much > better > > results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, > rather than > > doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD > > conversion). > > > > Xavier > > http://www.gordius.be > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com] > > Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... > > > > Ok, here's some friendly advice. > > > > Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this > list. So far > > you've described a rather basic looper, except that you seem to > be obsessed > > with the resolution of the output level control. In all the wish > lists and > > product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this is not > a feature > > that I remember being mentioned. > > > > If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper market, I > would be > > much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, > synchronization > > with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and > "editing" functions > > like insert, multiply, replace, etc. > > > > Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not > "professional level" is > > likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that use > it, as well > > as the professional level musicians that use other devices and > software with > > a MIDI volume control. > > > > Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical > ambitions are > > being stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal? > > > > I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better job > smoothing > > controller changes, or providing a more musically useful > attenuation curve > > at the top end of the range. But there are software soluti ons > to these > > problems that are quite effective if not perfect. > > > > I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a > rather odd > > feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money in this > > venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market for > hardware > > loopers. > > > > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 20:21:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FF523BF65; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=WPRXF0bvEH3DwZfG7/twG2J/A3YPeVcoLhQsu6Y30uJtoaYac3a4AAVi9pW67/yBfqIHVDxeIFbI6JULUhgpOhPBzhtAYXC/e793+HbIuvacl6VyQ65fPgkw0QlDzYu0m0UX4WqufFG6Rl9PfJK3osakGLYCNWBmVWBGJFyCSuA= Message-ID: <9e2a71240702191221r3fbd8791qc17215cfd1b67272@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:21:47 -0600 From: "Michael Pregeant" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: First gig recorded! Got some looping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_32984_2415392.1171916507098" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:21:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_32984_2415392.1171916507098 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey, I've been kind of the "guy in the corner" on the looper list, but I figured now would be a good time to show you guys what kinda stuff I do. On the first track (Saecula) I use an EDP with a Korg ms2000b and a les paul custom (sustained by an ebow, hehe). This track is supposed to highlight the "evils" of the CD. The rest of the tracks we've got up are just normal tracks, but we do indeed loop live. Granted.. these ARE live tracks from our first gig ever.. so there are some mistakes.. I hope you guys can see past them and tell me what you think, though! Here they are: www.myspace.com/therealannulus thanks! -- www.myspace.com/ipwnuh4x www.myspace.com/therealannulus www.myspace.com/michaelpregeant ------=_Part_32984_2415392.1171916507098 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hey, I've been kind of the "guy in the corner" on the looper list, but I figured now would be a good time to show you guys what kinda stuff I do.
 
On the first track (Saecula) I use an EDP with a Korg ms2000b and a les paul custom (sustained by an ebow, hehe). This track is supposed to highlight the "evils" of the CD. The rest of the tracks we've got up are just normal tracks, but we do indeed loop live.
 
Granted.. these ARE live tracks from our first gig ever.. so there are some mistakes.. I hope you guys can see past them and tell me what you think, though!
 
Here they are:
 
------=_Part_32984_2415392.1171916507098-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 20:25:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3FC93BF68; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:25:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:24:58 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] show me yours and i'll show you mine... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:25:02 +0000 (UTC) Good LORD look at all those Moog pedals! And what is the crazy Morley echo thing at the left?? And what are the heatsinks for in the live rig??? When you apply for a home loan, I assume this would be your "collateral". Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Here's the immediate working area of my studio. > > http://www.subscapeannex.com/pics/studio1.jpg > > And a picture of the setup I took to a performance last May, just > before I began: > http://pics.livejournal.com/badger/pic/0001g6br/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 20:38:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 827BE3BF65; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:38:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Considering building an ultimate looper... Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:38:16 -0600 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C236D50@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <45DA063B.4030803@imt.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: thread-topic: Considering building an ultimate looper... thread-index: AcdUWrc3owbvfOacTq2Dxk+D2vg7DAACrPfw References: <021920071753.8972.45D9E437000BD40C0000230C2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <45D9E6C0.2070503@infinivert.com> <45DA063B.4030803@imt.net> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <7m84wD.A.RiB.6qg2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:38:18 +0000 (UTC) Here comes pessimistic Jeff again to bring everybody down... (cue Joy Division) The discussion on a "hardware Mobius" is flattering, but I really don't think it is feasible. For starters, Mobius has too many dependencies on modern OS conveniences like threads, a file system, big user interface, etc. It would be theoretically possible to port this to an embedded system running something other than Windows, but it would take an enormous amount of work. If I'm going to tackle any porting, it would be to OSX first, and then the Muse Receptor a distant second. So, we're left with trying to build a rack mount Windows XP machine with all the necessary peripherals built in. There are several companies that do this, and at least one list member has researched it. It just can't be done for under $1000, and would probably be closer to $2000. Now you're beyond even the most expensive hardware looper and close to a Muse Receptor. The Receptor is nice, but they're not exactly selling by the truckload. =20 Sorry for the buzzkill, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 20:46:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FE5B3BF58; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-337252397 Message-Id: From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:46:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:46:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-337252397 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Here's my guitar rig... http://www.finleysound.com/mfm/ Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com On Feb 19, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Arne R. Skage jr wrote: > Hi folks, what about posting pictures of your rig? there is > probably not one alike out there. Im interested in what experiences > people have, specially in operating in strereo /mono use of fx > before/after looper, regarding monitoring, use of microphones in a > loop setup etc etc... use of laptop/ software in this context > > heres mine > > http://skages.blogspot.com/2007/01/gibsonoberheim-echoplex-digital- > pro.html > > anyone? > > -- > Arne R. Skage jr. > > 91157204 > arne@skage.com > www.skage.com --Apple-Mail-2-337252397 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Here's my guitar = rig...



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On Feb 19, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Arne R. Skage jr = wrote:

Hi folks,=A0 what about posting pictures of your rig? = there is probably not one alike out there.=A0Im interested in what = experiences people have, specially in operating in strereo /mono use = of=A0fx before/after looper,=A0 regarding monitoring, use of microphones = in a loop setup etc etc... use of laptop/ software in this context =
=A0
heres mine=A0
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anyone?

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Arne R. Skage jr.

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arne@skage.com
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= --Apple-Mail-2-337252397-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 21:03:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB9F33BF5A; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bLpMCsv2HW0FD750zCrecR4MCZy5AMjV9xVqUR+cT1pQc23aQi7gu8I9FkMmQBphqM1KuwGfk5zdEK45ENd8wPQusEtFV6nFE5RJjjadIM7IVbKDTC/iYQL4HfMsTsc/0dWPubJNDXoyef9m9ajbmUQ9GDwkwqyYFZTt1EdPIVU= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:03:06 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] show me yours and i'll show you mine... In-Reply-To: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41192_6675170.1171918986705" References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:03:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_41192_6675170.1171918986705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >Hi folks, what about posting pictures of your rig? there is probably not one alike out there. Im >interested in what experiences people have, specially in operating in strereo /mono use of fx >before/after looper, regarding monitoring, use of microphones in a loop setup etc etc... use of >laptop/ software in this context Mine can be seen here... http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtonyk/sets/72157594303469033/ There's no pic of my latest addition - a VG-8. There are also some 'before the reorganization' pics in there too. I have issues with the sends not being in stereo since that's how I route my signal to the loopers, but I'm living with it. I might be able to reroute stuff so I can get the stereo signal that I want, but I haven't worked it all out yet. I don't use software loopers most of the time. I like physically clicking and twisting. All my effects are at desktop level, I don't have any loopers on the floor. I do have the VG and an RP2000 on the floor, but that's it. -- -==-=-=- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ ------=_Part_41192_6675170.1171918986705 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >Hi folks,  what about posting pictures of your rig? there is probably not one alike out there. Im >interested in what experiences people have, specially in operating in strereo /mono use of fx >before/after looper,  regarding monitoring, use of microphones in a loop setup etc etc... use of >laptop/ software in this context

Mine can be seen here...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtonyk/sets/72157594303469033/

There's no pic of my latest addition - a VG-8.  There are also some 'before the reorganization' pics in there too.

I have issues with the sends not being in stereo since that's how I route my signal to the loopers, but I'm living with it.  I might be able to reroute stuff so I can get the stereo signal that I want, but I haven't worked it all out yet.

I don't use software loopers most of the time.  I like physically clicking and twisting.  All my effects are at desktop level, I don't have any loopers on the floor.  I do have the VG and an RP2000 on the floor, but that's it. 

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Tony
http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ ------=_Part_41192_6675170.1171918986705-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 21:17:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 555B13BF4E; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ogLcmJdUQMKPXSzcHjoO3nbbwLBwXe0QfxbvEHS4K0xzNULFRhrmxGtfUtInyqH8jxfE3fcJxM1XPz7gXT4YcJisOQ6aYddHrCKQBMy7/eX7qexsGAxQhUDNB1/VtQtDxoZ1LOY0GAzl7mgjLTwKJ42LyClNGjoAVOoOYmXLuQs= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:17:41 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The digest has gone haywire!!! In-Reply-To: <014101c7545f$39abb890$5a01a8c0@mark> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <014101c7545f$39abb890$5a01a8c0@mark> Resent-Message-ID: <58vL0B.A.02D.AQh2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:17:53 +0000 (UTC) I thought the trigger for generating a digest was tied to how many KB the digest file would be. HTML messages and people who quote big chunks of a thread in their response can cause that threshold to be reached quickly with only a few, even one message. TravisH On 2/19/07, markfrancombe.com wrote: > > > Kind of to Kim only.. sorry... > Im guesssing no one is NOT on the digest, but just a general question as to > whats up with the digest.. Im getting upwards of 10 to 15 mails per day > now.. each with only about 3 or 4 mails in... why is the digest not > collecting all the days mails and sending out as one mail??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 21:24:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47D6D3BF48; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:24:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-339513380 Message-Id: <0a4e473e0a9e3c2864dea0dac623a7fb@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: [LOOP] show me yours and i'll show you mine... Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:24:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:24:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10-339513380 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Holy Cheeses! After seeing all this, I ain't about to show you MINE! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Feb-07, at 1:03 PM, Tony K wrote: > >Hi folks,=A0 what about posting pictures of your rig? there is = probably=20 > not one alike out there.=A0Im >interested in what experiences people=20= > have, specially in operating in strereo /mono use of=A0fx = >before/after=20 > looper,=A0 regarding monitoring, use of microphones in a loop setup = etc=20 > etc... use of >laptop/ software in this context > > Mine can be seen here... > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtonyk/sets/72157594303469033/ > > There's no pic of my latest addition - a VG-8.=A0 There are also some=20= > 'before the reorganization' pics in there too. > > I have issues with the sends not being in stereo since that's how I=20 > route my signal to the loopers, but I'm living with it.=A0 I might be=20= > able to reroute stuff so I can get the stereo signal that I want, but=20= > I haven't worked it all out yet. > > I don't use software loopers most of the time.=A0 I like physically=20 > clicking and twisting.=A0 All my effects are at desktop level, I don't=20= > have any loopers on the floor.=A0 I do have the VG and an RP2000 on = the=20 > floor, but that's it.=A0 > > --=20 > -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- > Tony > http://bigtony.blogspot.com/= --Apple-Mail-10-339513380 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Holy Cheeses! After seeing all this, I ain't about to show you MINE! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Feb-07, at 1:03 PM, Tony K wrote: >Hi folks,=A0 what about posting pictures of your rig? there is probably not one alike out there.=A0Im >interested in what experiences people have, specially in operating in strereo /mono use of=A0fx >before/after looper,=A0 regarding monitoring, use of microphones in a loop setup etc etc... use of >laptop/ software in this context Mine can be seen here... = 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtonyk/= sets/72157594303469033/ There's no pic of my latest addition - a VG-8.=A0 There are also some 'before the reorganization' pics in there too. I have issues with the sends not being in stereo since that's how I route my signal to the loopers, but I'm living with it.=A0 I might be able to reroute stuff so I can get the stereo signal that I want, but I haven't worked it all out yet.=20 I don't use software loopers most of the time.=A0 I like physically clicking and twisting.=A0 All my effects are at desktop level, I don't have any loopers on the floor.=A0 I do have the VG and an RP2000 on the floor, but that's it.=A0=20 --=20 -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- Tony = 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://bigtony.blogspot.com/= --Apple-Mail-10-339513380-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 21:30:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A22A03BF6D; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:30:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: RE: show me yours and i'll show you mine... Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:29:57 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c7546d$1d782510$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C75475.7F3C8D10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcdUWIw8gw1njuHtRZiroX/P9InoUwAEOTgg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <_SrKOC.A.8FF.pbh2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:30:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C75475.7F3C8D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's my live setup...synthesizers only :) http://home.scarlet.be/loopers-world/midi-setup2.png =20 Instruments:=20 - V-Synth: very good in creating soundscapes. Features: variphrase = sampler, re-sampling, VA, ton's of audio prosessing options (filters, effects) = and flexible routing - The V-Synth is connected to the analog audio input's of the Yamaha = S90ES which allows you to add 2 insert effects in the chain including a delay = of max 1.6 sec. You can create stunning synth patches using a 75-100% of feedback. The internal yamaha sounds can be processed with 8 insert = effects in total + a master effect - I also use a breath controller which is connected to the built-in = VL-70m wind synthesizer and a DX7=20 - From there, the audio signal is processed by the Boss DD-20, which has = the ability to create 2 stereo loops of 11.5 sec's each. Usefull analog and = tape delay's plus a tap tempo=20 - Last in the chain is the well known RC-50, a 3 phrase stereo looper. = Sub out's are send to aux-in to create feedback loop. An EV-5 expression = pedal is used to control volumes =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C75475.7F3C8D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Here's my live setup...synthesizers only :) http://home= .scarlet.be/loopers-world/midi-setup2.png=
 
Instruments:=20
- V-Synth: very good in = creating=20 soundscapes. Features: variphrase sampler, re-sampling, VA, ton's of = audio=20 prosessing options (filters, effects) and flexible=20 routing
- The V-Synth is connected to = the analog=20 audio input's of the Yamaha S90ES which allows you to add 2 insert = effects=20 in the chain including a delay of max 1.6 sec. You can create = stunning=20 synth patches using a 75-100% of feedback. The internal yamaha = sounds can=20 be processed with 8 insert effects in total + a master=20 effect
- I also use a breath controller which is=20 connected to the built-in VL-70m wind synthesizer and a DX7=20
- = From there, the audio signal is processed by = the Boss=20 DD-20, which has the ability to create 2 stereo loops of 11.5 sec's = each.=20 Usefull analog and tape delay's plus a tap=20 tempo 
- Last in the chain is the = well known=20 RC-50, a 3 phrase stereo looper. Sub out's are send to aux-in to create = feedback=20 loop. An EV-5 expression pedal is used to=20 control volumes    =20
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C75475.7F3C8D10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 21:48:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E136C3BF58; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:48:26 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... In-Reply-To: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> Message-ID: References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:48:45 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Good LORD look at all those Moog pedals! And what is the crazy Morley echo > thing at the left?? And what are the heatsinks for in the live rig??? The Morley echo thing is a Morley EVO-1 "oilcan" electrostatic delay pedal. Five pounds, and with a built-in carrying handle. Lush sound. Love it. Detail pics here, with two links in the comment to the flickr set for background and explanation: http://www.flickr.com/photos/52422536@N00/sets/72157594545190887/ The heatsinks, along with the dead hard drive on one of the heatsinks, were the sound sources I used for that performance, using contact mics. Flicking a tine of an aluminum heatsink created this beautiful metallic chime/"ting" sound. To answer Skage's original questions, the entire rig runs in mono: I don't have a stereo PA setup, so I don't personally feel a need to work in stereo. As for loopers before/after fx, I tend to have an two loop pedals at the beginning of the signal chain, and two to three at the end. So I can grab a loop from Stick or theremin or whatever unaffected, process it with fx, catch it with the downstream loopers, then repeat. >> Here's the immediate working area of my studio. >> >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/pics/studio1.jpg >> >> And a picture of the setup I took to a performance last May, just before I >> began: >> http://pics.livejournal.com/badger/pic/0001g6br/ best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 22:10:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F9023BF4D; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:10:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:10:11 -0700 Message-Id: <200702192210.l1JMABjW005084@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <9m2hp.A.qnH.EBi2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:10:12 +0000 (UTC) No photos but a nice diagram to outline the signal path (a .pdf so you'd need Acrobat to see it). http://www.minds-eye.org/amazingfeats/Signal_Path.pdf Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 22:12:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E16533BF30; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070219171752.028aa438@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:19:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: looping in the dark In-Reply-To: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-6F4A784E Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Lovely subject line eh? Hi. I just joined you folks - great Web site by the way. I'm Chris, a 31 year-old blind guy (no that doesn't make me a better musician, although it might get me more work so shhhh let people keep believing that myth!). Anyway, I'm a jazz guitarist, teach guitar mostly to beginners, etc. I currently use a Boss RC20. I just thought I'd ask on list if there is anybody else here who can run their gear without looking at it. :) Come on, test yourself. Chris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.2/692 - Release Date: 2/18/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 22:16:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBEDB3BF50; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LB2TqhhsXWkIbXCdY7xAKuyu2fPTle1rApuoPqEGSzyuw+HrB4EPdHnFYcqID2DBvffpvs2HM/VytloDXSBr3drwj6fiwO8+ZkmVWE3hf0cOAAJ8hSNu0lzqxPa6Y5oqhrNXP+0de73/i2I2PiloGaq3CZ41AUVzUQ0Ej7qN5wI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45D9F824.5040403@infinivert.com> References: <021920071753.8972.45D9E437000BD40C0000230C2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <45D9E6C0.2070503@infinivert.com> <06e001c75451$e41b5870$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D9F824.5040403@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8DA439AA-DCDD-4A54-8092-DFECCF01B1BE@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:16:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1P9xtD.A.yM.KHi2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:16:42 +0000 (UTC) On 19 feb 2007, at 20.19, Joshua Carroll wrote: > Heck, I'd be happy to have a VST or standalone version of Mobius > that would run on OS X, exactly the way it already works on Windows... You bet! I bought my last (ever!) PC simply for running Mobius!!! ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 22:20:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 451DF3BF52; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:20:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DA3108.4040504@imt.net> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:21:44 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... References: <000501c7546d$1d782510$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> In-Reply-To: <000501c7546d$1d782510$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:20:57 +0000 (UTC) Hehe...yeah a fellow actually hired me to look at the possibility of inserting a vsynth INTO a double neck guitar a while back. We decided some of the things he wanted were going to involve redesign of the s/w environment though and bagged it. They're pretty cool units with the analog in and some of the things you can do with them I guess. Really cool setups btw! Wow what a bunch of gearheads! :-) -Bob Sjaak wrote: > Here's my live setup...synthesizers only :) > http://home.scarlet.be/loopers-world/midi-setup2.png > > Instruments: > - V-Synth: very good in creating soundscapes. Features: variphrase > sampler, re-sampling, VA, ton's of audio prosessing options (filters, > effects) and flexible routing > - The V-Synth is connected to the analog audio input's of the Yamaha > S90ES which allows you to add 2 insert effects in the chain including > a delay of max 1.6 sec. You can create stunning synth patches using a > 75-100% of feedback. The internal yamaha sounds can be processed with > 8 insert effects in total + a master effect > - I also use a breath controller which is connected to the built-in > VL-70m wind synthesizer and a DX7 > - From there, the audio signal is processed by the Boss DD-20, which > has the ability to create 2 stereo loops of 11.5 sec's each. Usefull > analog and tape delay's plus a tap tempo > - Last in the chain is the well known RC-50, a 3 phrase stereo looper. > Sub out's are send to aux-in to create feedback loop. An EV-5 > expression pedal is used to control volumes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 22:31:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D16C3BF4D; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rick Walker" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: PLEASE EDIT YOUR POSTS TO THE LIST Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:31:00 -0800 Message-Id: <20070219222526.M22779@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050317 X-OriginatingIP: 63.249.91.44 (looppool) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=1.0 tests=AWL,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <0NdcvC.A.OgB.nUi2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:31:04 +0000 (UTC) -- The purpose of a digest is to reduce the amount of time it takes one to read one's mail. In the last couple of days, I've been getting 10 digests a day for the list. We have gotten incredibly lax at editing out the lengthy emails that we are replying to on this list. It not only defeats the purpose of a daily digest but it also is incredibly difficult to read. In my humble opinion, it is rude not to edit the text we are responding to. People, please!!!!!!! Just quote only the relevant passages that you are responding to (or don't quote anything, it's a THREAD for god's sake) when you make a reply to a thread. Please be considerate of the people who don't have a hell of a lot of time to wade through all these digests. Thanks, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 22:42:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 309843BF58; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=aY3JWBkzJyczkhqVgGrCGag3zBBDLIy4btbplCzaNfuDMlerq21y6hq8LYtiKFB2uzsozGCvM3fI9rTROlseXjnmgqbhEMGYw8Bf2SjJSS+Fij/Nv4CzP8tlHXZ39OjBeAeGwR4rmrGnr6MAq6/MW+JXzZ8biTJWfDcshdtODsE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070219171752.028aa438@sympatico.ca> References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20070219171752.028aa438@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: looping in the dark Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:42:22 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <9vIwe.A.E-B.Tfi2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:42:27 +0000 (UTC) On 19 feb 2007, at 23.19, Chris Smart wrote: > Hi. I just joined you folks - great Web site by the way. > > I'm Chris, a 31 year-old blind guy (no that doesn't make me a > better musician, although it might get me more work so shhhh let > people keep believing that myth!). Anyway, I'm a jazz guitarist, > teach guitar mostly to beginners, etc. > > I currently use a Boss RC20. I just thought I'd ask on list if > there is anybody else here who can run their gear without looking > at it. :) Come on, test yourself. Well, not a Boss RC20 maybe - I've only had one for a week once for testing - but I could do it with my EDP or Mobius if can kick my FCB1010 floor controller without shoes. And I would prefer using an air instrument rather than a guitar. BTW, welcome to a great mailing list! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 22:44:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 148553BEDE; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070219143449.024ec998@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:44:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: synchro1 Subject: Re: [LOOP] show me yours and i'll show you mine... In-Reply-To: References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090205.45DA2865.0092:SCFEO38371,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.125/2007-01-26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:44:55 +0000 (UTC) somewhat out-of-date photos at: http://synchro1.smugmug.com/gallery/1102947 I have been dabbling in EM since the late 60s, so this was accumulated over a lifetime. Back in the late 70s/early 80s, one of my bands (The Scientific Americans) used to perform live dub music using multiple Revox R2Rs with loops, Korg Stage Echo with SoS, and a bunch of those little Univox tape cartridge echo boxes that could also do SoS. We were able to get an entire song looping, leave the stage to get a beer and return without a break in the continuity. I used to do solo electronic environments in Western MA in the mid-70s in places like UMass and the Iron Horse Cafe. One of my favorites was two Synthi AKS with v-e-r-y slow sequences and two Revox R2R with very long loops and variable speed modifications. The soundscape started around 7 PM and by 11 was off into a whole new territory with very minor changes to the patch and effects. Current setup has the modular quite expanded from these photos. I am now using an Alesis Fusion 8HSD as my main controller. I have an Electrix Repeater, older Gibson EDP, and most importantly a Looperlative LP-1 which has become the center of my playing and interest. I haven't performed live in over 20 years but the LP-1 just begs for public interaction, so perhaps I'll wander out of my cave here in San Mateo some time soon. Side note: thanks for all the sharing on this mail list. The wealth of information and music is awesome. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 23:22:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68D183BF01; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:22:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <083a01c7547c$e301eaa0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20070219171752.028aa438@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: looping in the dark Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:22:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:22:59 +0000 (UTC) Wow. Well, I can play in the dark, but wouldn't be able to operate my laptop and VST host in the dark. I could learn to work my MIDI footpedel in the dark, I suppose. All this aside, I do think it is a very good exercise in ear training, improvision skills, and becoming intimate with one's instrument to be able to play in the dark or with your eyes closed. I think my best music comes from closing my eyes and letting things go. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 3:19 PM Subject: looping in the dark > Lovely subject line eh? > > Hi. I just joined you folks - great Web site by the way. > > I'm Chris, a 31 year-old blind guy (no that doesn't make me a better > musician, although it might get me more work so shhhh let people keep > believing that myth!). Anyway, I'm a jazz guitarist, teach guitar mostly > to beginners, etc. > > I currently use a Boss RC20. I just thought I'd ask on list if there is > anybody else here who can run their gear without looking at it. :) Come > on, test yourself. > > Chris > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.2/692 - Release Date: 2/18/2007 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 23:36:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55D833BF23; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DA3478.2050700@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:36:24 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Wow...fascinating background. The graphic on the top is KILLER!!! Is it possible to self-oscillate? Would the oil, like, boil? If you have audio from that performance, I'd love to hear it. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > The Morley echo thing is a Morley EVO-1 "oilcan" electrostatic delay > pedal. Five pounds, and with a built-in carrying handle. Lush sound. > Love it. > Detail pics here, with two links in the comment to the flickr set for > background and explanation: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/52422536@N00/sets/72157594545190887/ > > The heatsinks, along with the dead hard drive on one of the heatsinks, > were the sound sources I used for that performance, using contact > mics. Flicking a tine of an aluminum heatsink created this beautiful > metallic chime/"ting" sound. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 23:37:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A2A83BF27; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DA34AE.5060207@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 00:37:18 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] show me yours and i'll show you mine... References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:37:34 +0000 (UTC) I love those Alesis ModFX boxes! Does the digital row of !four! work without digital pops or crackling - I stopped using their digital interfaces because of that... Got to take some pictures... Dirk Tony K schrieb: > >Hi folks, what about posting pictures of your rig? there is probably > not one alike out there. Im >interested in what experiences people > have, specially in operating in strereo /mono use of fx >before/after > looper, regarding monitoring, use of microphones in a loop setup etc > etc... use of >laptop/ software in this context > > Mine can be seen here... > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtonyk/sets/72157594303469033/ > > There's no pic of my latest addition - a VG-8. There are also some > 'before the reorganization' pics in there too. > > I have issues with the sends not being in stereo since that's how I > route my signal to the loopers, but I'm living with it. I might be > able to reroute stuff so I can get the stereo signal that I want, but > I haven't worked it all out yet. > > I don't use software loopers most of the time. I like physically > clicking and twisting. All my effects are at desktop level, I don't > have any loopers on the floor. I do have the VG and an RP2000 on the > floor, but that's it. > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony > http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 00:09:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 579643BF3B; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 00:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <021920071740.9470.45D9E11F0001FB1D000024FE2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <021920071740.9470.45D9E11F0001FB1D000024FE2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-349451152 Message-Id: From: Teddy Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:09:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 00:09:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-349451152 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed that is good... I need at least 8 outputs too... add that to the list Teddy On Feb 19, 2007, at 12:40 PM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some > trouble. > Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. All > the same functions. > Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!! > Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. With > 10 or so built in options of layouts. But also capable of custom > layouts. > 10 gigs of storage. > Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic stand. > Firewire, or USB connections. > Balanced and Unbalanced outs. > VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be > controlled seamlessly. > 1 Rack space > under $300 > Free 24 hour support line. > > Now, get busy. > > > MFC > > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "GORDIUS info" > > > > > I'd like to add one question to this : > > What kind of (physical) volume control device do you target, Bob? > Something > > else than a foot pedal? > > I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new design for a > > MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the "physical > range" of > > a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have > trouble making > > small enough movements to change the control value with 1 single > step in the > > 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't make > any sense > > when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of > controller in > > mind? > > > > (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make > it a > > non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you will get much > better > > results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, > rather than > > doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD > > conversion). > > > > Xavier > > http://www.gordius.be > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com] > > Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... > > > > Ok, here's some friendly advice. > > > > Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this list. > So far > > you've described a rather basic looper, except that you seem to > be obsessed > > with the resolution of the output level control. In all the wish > lists and > > product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this is not a > feature > > that I remember being mentioned. > > > > If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper market, I > would be > > much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, > synchronization > > with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and "editing" > functions > > like insert, multiply, replace, etc. > > > > Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not > "professional level" is > > likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that use > it, as well > > as the professional level musicians that use other devices and > software with > > a MIDI volume control. > > > > Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical > ambitions are > > being stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal? > > > > I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better job > smoothing > > controller changes, or providing a more musically useful > attenuation curve > > at the top end of the range. But there are software soluti ons to > these > > problems that are quite effective if not perfect. > > > > I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a > rather odd > > feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money in this > > venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market for > hardware > > loopers. > > > > Jeff > --Apple-Mail-2-349451152 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 that is good... I need at least = 8 outputs too... add that to the list

Teddy

On Feb 19, 2007, at 12:40 PM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net<= /A> wrote:

I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. = Save you some trouble.
Essentially it would be a stereo (or = even surround) Echoplex. All the same functions.
Rock solid = syncing capabilities. No drifting!!
Custom foot controller = similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. With 10 or so built in options = of layouts. But also capable of custom layouts.
10 gigs of = storage.
Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be = mounted to a mic stand.
Firewire, or USB connections.
=
Balanced and Unbalanced outs.
VST interface so the = entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be controlled seamlessly. =
1 Rack space
under $300
Free 24 hour = support line.
=A0
Now, get busy.
=
=A0
=A0
MFC
=A0
=A0
=
=A0
=A0
=A0
=A0
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "GORDIUS = info" <
info@gordius.be> =

>
> I'd like to add one question to this :
> = What kind of (physical) volume control device do you target, Bob? = Something
> else than a foot pedal?
> I'm asking, because = I am currently testing out a new design for a
> MIDI-controlled = foot pedal. And to me it seems that the "physical range" of
> a = standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have trouble = making
> small enough movements to change the control value with = 1 single step in the
> 128-value range. Therefore I believe a = 10-bit ADC wouldn't make any sense
> when using a footpedal, but = maybe you have another type of controller in
> mind?
> =
> (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and = make it a
> non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you = will get much better
> results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup = table in firmware, rather than
> doing it with some analog signal = manipulation followed by 10-bit AD
> conversion).
> =
> Xavier
> http://www.gordius.be
> =
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey = Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com] =
> Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35
> To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate = looper...
>
> Ok, here's some friendly advice.
> =
> Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this = list. So far
> you've described a rather basic looper, except = that you seem to be obsessed
> with the resolution of the output = level control. In all the wish lists and
> product reviews that = appear regularly on this list, this is not a feature
> that I = remember being mentioned.
>
> If you're intending to = compete in the hardware looper market, I would be
> much more = concerned about things like continuous feedback, synchronization =
> with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and = "editing" functions
> like insert, multiply, replace, etc. =
>
> Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not = "professional level" is
> likely to annoy the many professional = level musicians that use it, as well
> as the professional level = musicians that use other devices and software with
> a MIDI = volume control.
>
> Quick show of hands. Does anyone find = that their musical ambitions are
> being stymied by the = resolution of their volume pedal?
>
> I don't doubt that = there are devices that could do a better job smoothing
> = controller changes, or providing a more musically useful attenuation = curve
> at the top end of the range. But there are software = soluti ons to these
> problems that are quite effective if not = perfect.
>
> I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this = strikes me as a rather odd
> feature to be focusing on. Before = you start investing money in this
> venture, be sure you have a = good understanding of the market for hardware
> loopers.
> =
> Jeff



= --Apple-Mail-2-349451152-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 01:13:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E7CB3BF25; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5GYeHicKP+k05jBZC+OXisPby4VcLAJSEQ== X-Originating-IP: [72.65.128.110] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:12:11 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J0d1d.27a7S.7638M" Message-Id: <20070219.171308.24612.1961336@webmail39.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:3186163804 X-MAIL-INFO:2ffdfdb42d31546d311d40b45454404449f961d15951614920e1a041a0c950 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.179|webmail39.nyc.untd.com|webmail39.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:13:37 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J0d1d.27a7S.7638M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Hi All, I finally got around to a myspace a while ago. I never have time to= edit it but please check it out. = \\www.myspace.com\noyestheater Thanks, Weg ----__JWM__J0d1d.27a7S.7638M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

Hi All,

    I finally got around to a myspace a while ago.&nbs= p; I never have time to edit it but please check it out.

 

\\www.myspace.com\noyestheater

Thanks,

Weg

----__JWM__J0d1d.27a7S.7638M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 02:09:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D624B3BF24; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=O7OU12Qz6E+5hrTxBPb+3t0Ly7JstnHy5rOOCKLE4fCbke5PImKZNSIz63EmHGp67TzwaFLdJPWq6xfeJPP3vNPRUp4Oz/Tg2C7SFbewXoNO69tCZgnSV6+asF0NkALVGyKGHAkhUez9LLEydNuV8ETGcHqlO0B/dtrIS3SM6CY=; X-YMail-OSG: v4X87roVM1m6nHTzR72L4dqC7myCDvH4BMnlyv.PiuJTITlrI8BE8BxpQb1IchKRPg-- Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:01:10 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: show me your loop setup... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070219221245.7F4543BF59@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1934026811-1171936870=:77465" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <6466.77465.qm@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:09:31 +0000 (UTC) --0-1934026811-1171936870=:77465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit my old loop setup is here: http://launch.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/EccentricLuthierySupportGroup/photos/view/2b58?b=2 handmade guitar w/ egg shaker mic in the center for feedback effects- digitech rp100 zoom g2 digitech digidelay to either direct or my amp this is when i was moving away from my rack setup (hard to believe i used to have a 4 space rack setup w/ stuff before it).... my new setup is: roctron silver dragon-zoom g2-digitech rp150 -boss dd20-out to either digital recorder or marshall 10 watt amp (which i usually run clean) simple setup works for me. man looking at some people's setups w/ the pedals after pedals, whooooa, i know for me setups like that would never work, i have the worst luck w/ my gear. fun to see others setups though. s--- --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. --0-1934026811-1171936870=:77465 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
my old loop setup is here:
 
 
handmade guitar w/ egg shaker mic in the center for feedback effects-
digitech rp100
zoom g2
digitech digidelay to either direct or my amp
 
this is when i was moving away from my rack setup (hard to believe i used to have
a 4 space rack setup w/ stuff before it)....
 
my new setup is: roctron silver dragon-zoom g2-digitech rp150 -boss dd20-out to either digital recorder or marshall 10 watt amp (which i usually run clean)
simple setup works for me.
man looking at some people's setups w/ the pedals after pedals, whooooa, i know for
me setups like that would never work, i have the worst luck w/ my gear.
fun to see others setups though.
s---
 


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Answers users. --0-1934026811-1171936870=:77465-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 02:20:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FFE63BEFA; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=eJ21y/netX0MDxwVyF71TZYKVfUivnk3JZ91pU5Mn28OEkUP6Mlz9zfryLypm4f/vJ/NO6813C+VItFvmkCfT+LA49QpgYOUmmLAUWeXdkQ01QexXA0RVp9h4j6rvSOMK97JQ0RSnZay5qdscG2f2KCosARgtQXIaksEFWjgML0=; X-YMail-OSG: .2PB70kVM1mkkudJTnGbgV0QRHACdZKvQMl.RWla9MsddDt__KAa3OdjZB1kIuNVnFqMGb6VTBo9aRVpP6C3yHJQ1ALX.gIcqKraN0PDhzIXyjYHq8Uc_BvGX6D6cN0xRrwfAo7Nb6nNK212IXWMa.KYAA-- Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:20:09 -0800 (PST) From: rabbirabbifive Subject: Looperlative for sale/auction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <247624.68515.qm@web60320.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2KDmq.A.Wv.Zrl2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I have my Looperlative LP1 up for bid here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120089229193 Use the buy-it-now and mention this post and shipping (in the U.S.) will be free. (The Looper's Delight discount!) I'll say more here soon- sorry to start with such a mercenary post, but I figured you all would be interested. Later, rabbi ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 02:41:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C1B43BF23; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:41:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=mBkuHkTiK85tjJp1uPmYxqs/7ujGVJ61Kj1fTYZr2SONb82nlYTIH5oU7PkLF+rcRLYD5E0xOWuepEBHeaGpzphwTNfWLpZoH/eyqtdI/rjf7VugdDsNkMB+HMyovaN/uClZhiAS91eU/2xYlp2oFAs+qNFfyMTaAtjc4GogdrM= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:41:02 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Showing you mine. (blush) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:41:05 +0000 (UTC) Here's a diagram and description of my drum machine setup. http://www.ribosomemusic.com/drum_machining.html ...and here's a photo of it all in action: http://www.ribosomemusic.com/images/drum-machining-by-aurora.jpg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 02:46:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC5FE3BF23; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:46:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:46:20 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... In-Reply-To: <45DA3478.2050700@mhorse.com> Message-ID: References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <45DA3478.2050700@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:46:39 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Wow...fascinating background. The graphic on the top is KILLER!!! Is it > possible to self-oscillate? Would the oil, like, boil? I should get a better picture of the graphic, it is cool. This was one of the last of these pedals that Morley built, and I think the design was originally a Tel-Ray. This one I have was probably made around 1976-77. Oh, it'll self-oscillate all right. Massive pounding oscillation. I have to be careful with the expression pedal on that effect because of it. > If you have audio from that performance, I'd love to hear it. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com No, I'm afraid I don't. I do have a couple of proof of concept looping pieces I did the week before that show with the same gear. http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/contact_samples.mp3 (mp3, 8 2/3 min.) contact mic, Buick transmission parts, the rest of the rig in the picture and http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/contact_samples_two.mp3 (mp3, 5.5 min.) Contact mic, Buick transmission parts, Pentium III heat sink, electric toothbrush (I wanted a drone I could morph into a bassline). Oh, and one 3-second sample of another item that isn't from any of the above, about a minute before the end. Sorry about that. I still have the heatsinks in question, too. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ >> The Morley echo thing is a Morley EVO-1 "oilcan" electrostatic delay pedal. >> Five pounds, and with a built-in carrying handle. Lush sound. Love it. >> Detail pics here, with two links in the comment to the flickr set for >> background and explanation: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/52422536@N00/sets/72157594545190887/ >> >> The heatsinks, along with the dead hard drive on one of the heatsinks, were >> the sound sources I used for that performance, using contact mics. Flicking >> a tine of an aluminum heatsink created this beautiful metallic chime/"ting" >> sound. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 02:58:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E99593BF1F; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.82.165] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <45DA34AE.5060207@rhein-zeitung.de> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] show me yours and i'll show you mine... Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:58:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2007 02:58:04.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0CCD140:01C7549A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Geez... Some of you guys have some pretty outrageous setups. I somehaow feel "inadequate". Well, I will have to figure out somewhere to post a pic of my quite simple looping setup, but here is a descrption of what I am using of late: Godin fretless five string bass w/ custom RMC electronics Demeter Tube DI Demeter Opto Compulator compressor Barge Concepts VFB2 variable feedback aux loop Custom Modified Lexicon JamMan (modded by Bob Sellon and amongst its new fuctions: longer loop time;Stereo;Multiple parallel and/or serial loops;undo; automated fade in and fade out (global or per track), ehanced feedback control and a bunch of other stuff... Demeter RV1 Analog spring reverb (my only effect!) Low End True Voice Tube Preamp The JamMan is controlled sans MIDI by two digitech FS300 footswitches. Simple, eh? Max _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 03:09:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4760C3BF25; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 03:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <45DA3478.2050700@mhorse.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-360214230 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:09:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <2LCYE.A.cOC.XZm2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 03:09:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-360214230 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed They were designed by Tel Ray which became Morley. There's one on Ebay right now. The issue with them is, when they go south there are two repairmen in North America who can fix them. Ry Cooder uses them a LOT! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Feb-07, at 6:46 PM, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Daryl Shawn wrote: > >> Wow...fascinating background. The graphic on the top is KILLER!!! Is >> it possible to self-oscillate? Would the oil, like, boil? > > I should get a better picture of the graphic, it is cool. This was one > of the last of these pedals that Morley built, and I think the design > was originally a Tel-Ray. This one I have was probably made around > 1976-77. --Apple-Mail-4-360214230 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII They were designed by Tel Ray which became Morley. There's one on Ebay right now. The issue with them is, when they go south there are two repairmen in North America who can fix them. Ry Cooder uses them a LOT! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Feb-07, at 6:46 PM, burnett@pobox.com wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Daryl Shawn wrote: Wow...fascinating background. The graphic on the top is KILLER!!! Is it possible to self-oscillate? Would the oil, like, boil? I should get a better picture of the graphic, it is cool. This was one of the last of these pedals that Morley built, and I think the design was originally a Tel-Ray. This one I have was probably made around 1976-77. --Apple-Mail-4-360214230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 03:27:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA6EF3BF27; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 03:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:26:59 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <45DA3478.2050700@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 03:27:18 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Richard Sales wrote: > They were designed by Tel Ray which became Morley. There's one on Ebay right > now. The issue with them is, when they go south there are two repairmen in > North America who can fix them. Ry Cooder uses them a LOT! Richard, thanks. I've got an EVO-1 Echo Volume, the one on ebay is an RW Power Wah. Same case, same oilcan technology, same graphics, with a few minor differences (such as the Variation slide cut into the top of the case, to the right of the guitarist graphic). The ebay listing has much better pictures than mine, though. thanks, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > On 19-Feb-07, at 6:46 PM, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > >> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Daryl Shawn wrote: >> >>> Wow...fascinating background. The graphic on the top is KILLER!!! Is it >>> possible to self-oscillate? Would the oil, like, boil? >> >> I should get a better picture of the graphic, it is cool. This was one of >> the last of these pedals that Morley built, and I think the design was >> originally a Tel-Ray. This one I have was probably made around 1976-77. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 04:30:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18F9B3BF23; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 04:30:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DA87AB.1010406@imt.net> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:31:23 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <45DA3478.2050700@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 04:30:43 +0000 (UTC) Oh yeah... I have one of the fender dimension things that ran out of oil. Is the oil available at any more reasonable rate? Is anyone interested in this project? -Bob burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Richard Sales wrote: > >> They were designed by Tel Ray which became Morley. There's one on >> Ebay right now. The issue with them is, when they go south there >> are two repairmen in North America who can fix them. Ry Cooder uses >> them a LOT! > > > Richard, thanks. I've got an EVO-1 Echo Volume, the one on ebay is an > RW Power Wah. Same case, same oilcan technology, same graphics, with a > few minor differences (such as the Variation slide cut into the top of > the case, to the right of the guitarist graphic). The ebay listing has > much better pictures than mine, though. > > thanks, > Steve B > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > >> On 19-Feb-07, at 6:46 PM, burnett@pobox.com wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Daryl Shawn wrote: >>> >>>> Wow...fascinating background. The graphic on the top is KILLER!!! >>>> Is it possible to self-oscillate? Would the oil, like, boil? >>> >>> >>> I should get a better picture of the graphic, it is cool. This was >>> one of the last of these pedals that Morley built, and I think the >>> design was originally a Tel-Ray. This one I have was probably made >>> around 1976-77. >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 06:01:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94FB63BF20; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 06:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=am/doAzXi05ycWiaiTcHY6cXG506CGxV6wKSZn3JQFTa3/J1kYruWYv6Be14p5ckGY7mfeRFlj0Rx/ImXg6LWQSNnH7yS8PPm7Xr/eaVgK4C25n2pJKvaw8mBqzNR1KVIuT01w3+MLAh4JklqBK05e0Dj4JpkzfzhjVn002I7QY=; X-YMail-OSG: IGRy2S4VM1lrzeMC9vJPil7j_bgNjnUQ8kT7y6uP_4E9OuSm_ZqzyHbn2JfZdd9hvg-- Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:01:10 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: FS: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6466.77465.qm@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <704472.28852.qm@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6a-2GD.A.PlG.o6o2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 06:01:12 +0000 (UTC) At first I thought this wouldn't belong here, but then I realized that it came with loopers! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=190084807931&rd=1&rd=1 Fast FX is one of the most amazing looper/loop mangler's you'll ever come across. Amazing. Each instrument is well worth the price of admission and for some stupid reason Native Instruments has discontinued this suite. I guess they want you to buy Reaktor, but I own reaktor and I still think it was worth buying this too. Oh, btw, I'm not getting rid of mine, I got another as a gift and I don't want to make it seem like they got me the wrong thing. Honestly, I like Photone better than Massive. Here's the scoop on all the instruments: http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=electronicins2xt_us Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 09:43:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 415973BF1C; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=EGMinTMaG8WwDV62rUlcK3QG4wmmxxNUgzPjoxhBFnU9dMSymCKzBmrEQTnCr5BZvCmGxCZ9d2DIHC3XlwJKQ17o/JCNMtpPAY7OpzNgOjq7X3AotzOEn03MaWRq+xju11rJnCQbWJluS8/DlT3OCMg5DQ15ZmVr3lchB82P58w= ; X-YMail-OSG: WmxkDiUVM1kOaR_uAnI7eP3.ZcQU4oW8REoXv1Vgw3XpKyrLxIKCFTG31VyuOawt2BXM23SCpzBAIT3Hy81aCSH7KGHYC3r1D8gIYUG8Lrb.lXRCgOQfs.qN1fjtAmln4a7GzE3kkDY- Message-ID: <00ac01c754d3$8851e6d0$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: Subject: Re: Anyone from Belgium or The Netherlands? Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:43:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi Sjaak, I'm from Belgium (Mons). Someone on this list created a frappr Map to locate all loopers around the globe: http://www.frappr.com/?a=constellation_map&mapid=246501 I guess not everybody registered but you can have a look too. Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sjaak" [...] Btw: are there any loopers from Belgium or The Netherlands on the list? Sjaak ___________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 09:48:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 895E23BF23; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hZ/VW4GB3jeoytH6b1CqoW4lnO1JZjA8RUCMYeWQ60I0fXPQ9SAA9FxAQM5ASKSJ4efhaIgd+cnALdVCXpEbPCZ4P6ZMpW0IusI3RIu9cqF3JsMz/yeFzCk9KojZpxT4GGsjDMQoqSQ+8xdrZVCpsWTn7gg/abbG4tp4ctudA5Q= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <704472.28852.qm@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <704472.28852.qm@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <09176B11-488D-4CEB-9847-FAD331360A10@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: FS: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:48:25 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:48:31 +0000 (UTC) On 20 feb 2007, at 07.01, mark sottilaro wrote: > At first I thought this wouldn't belong here, but then > I realized that it came with loopers! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&sspagename=STRK > %3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=190084807931&rd=1&rd=1 Yes, I agree that the Electronic Instruments suite rock. Didn't know NI discontinued them. But anyway, I wouldn't buy another product from NI because their licensing policy makes it difficult for me. I move around a lot to play, produce recordings or teach other producers and students. Then I often need to use my instruments with different computers and NI doesn't let you move the software license a lot between machines, as most other software manufacturers do. You are allowed to activate your software license on two machines, but if you need to use a third machine for some particular project you will have to deactivate one of the first two. This is all fine so far, but the bad hook is that you will never in the future be allowed to re- activate any of those first two machine's licenses. So in praxis I can't use NI's products because I'm a pro. Ridiculous, isn't it! I already own Kontakt 2 and the EWQL symphonic orchestra library, which are great as music production products, but I doubt I will ever buy anything more from NI. My conscience would haunt me for ever if I supported their business morals any further. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 09:51:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 774743BF26; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DAC498.1000505@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:51:20 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kyma System with Looper Construction Kit for sale References: <021620072152.13288.45D627B3000C8745000033E82205889116C90A0B01049F0307@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <021620072152.13288.45D627B3000C8745000033E82205889116C90A0B01049F0307@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Ancient Eyeball Recipe wrote: > Well, I was told this in person by Kurt at one point, and I believe > that somewhere on their site (or in the license agreement, I can't > recall) this is explicitly stated. they do treat their users well, > but I believe that what I'm saying is correct. This is easily possible to confirm directly with Kurt for anyone interested. Its a small company and Kurt and Carla kind of know each customer personally. I am sure it will be satisfactory for any buyer... Official licenses need to protect, but what counts, is the real life... I guess the legal part is more restrictive than reality in this case. I'd say you can trust Kurt and Carla as much as you can trust Bob and the Looperlative and for the same reasons... And for upcoming updates, I just know that Carla is working on a completely new version of Kyma. It will be a major upgrade. That said it is worth to check the upgrade politics directly with them anyway... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 11:35:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 832C93BF1F; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=f0G7YzncpvEMRzBvbTsyCG/u2OCgwK3RUkYXUSLdswg2CUSe3qCiCuYQdDhB74ouk3SeQb2BPiYbW3QwejwK+89ikRmhg7T8r0pnO6TUnFM94frz5aCj8FCH1k4w3JqiyCuenObJWg2i6tTJpzsns7wLZaoDqbYRahYJwEpcYJA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <45DA3478.2050700@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <84EA4BED-CBCC-4F4D-85DF-8663719D2BB3@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:35:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:35:36 +0000 (UTC) HI, I'm sorry about that crap picture I posted earlier. Here are three serious looping rig charts: 1) http://www.looproom.com/bilder/2007loopingrig.JPG is a recent in-the-box laptop rig I'm testing out at the moment. Since I have replaced a lot of cable patching in my old (physical) rig with scripts I let the script window stay open on this screen shot. The schematic is pretty clear if you look at the Bidule setup. 2) My actual recent rig is not on picture, but if you take the Bidule setup on the picture (above link) and replace Guitar Rig 2 with TC Electronics FireworX it will be the same thing. The point in both these setups (1+2) is that the effect processing is beat synced from what I play (as opposed to the other way around: "trying to sync your playing to some machine") 3) http://www.looproom.com/bilder/mini_rig.gif is an old rig I used back in 2004. EDP, REpeater, analog filterbank (Repeater and Filterbank syncing to the tempo set by the EDP's first loop). This rack monster looked something like this: http:// www.looproom.com/bilder/looping_rack.gif Finally: I also took on a (failed) pilot project earlier this autumn, trying to use only VST plug-ins. This setup chart is online at http://www.looproom.com/bidule7patch_pboy.JPG It worked fine, but I the 2 GHz single CPU laptop was too slow to run it safely during performance. Note "The Bidule Audio Switcher Trick" used here; a good tip (thanks to Paul Haslem for originally posting that tip to this list). It saves you 100 % of the VST plug-ins you are not playing through. An excellent way to use Bidule as a in-the- box effect patch-bay. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 12:57:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 011FD3BF15; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:56:50 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 Resent-Message-ID: <3h3j2B.A.dFD.mAv2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Per, How do you sync the TC FireworX with other gear? Can it be used as a midi= clock master using the beat sync options? Other question: what's the dif= ference between the D-Two and FireworX regarding delay's? Sjaak Per Boysen wrote: > My actual recent rig is not on picture, but if you take the Bidule > setup on the picture (above link) and replace Guitar Rig 2 with TC > Electronics FireworX it will be the same thing. The point in both > these setups (1+2) is that the effect processing is beat synced from > what I play (as opposed to the other way around: "trying to sync your > playing to some machine") =0A---=0AScarlet One Unlimited=0AFree national calls, surf up to 6 Mbit/s= , 50 GB download volume=0AFor only EUR 49,95 per month. No Belgacom subsc= ription needed. All in!=0Ahttp://www.scarlet.be From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 12:57:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EBBC3BF28; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:57:22 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Per, How do you sync the TC FireworX with other gear? Can it be used as a midi= clock master? Other question: what's the difference between the D-Two an= d FireworX regarding delay's? Sjaak Per Boysen wrote: > My actual recent rig is not on picture, but if you take the Bidule > setup on the picture (above link) and replace Guitar Rig 2 with TC > Electronics FireworX it will be the same thing. 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All in!=0Ahttp://www.scarlet.be From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 14:36:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BAFB3BF19; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <45DA87AB.1010406@imt.net> References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <45DA3478.2050700@mhorse.com> <45DA87AB.1010406@imt.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-401474775 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 06:36:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:36:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-401474775 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed You can get the oil on Ebay. Look up oil can delay and you'll find it. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Feb-07, at 9:31 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: > Oh yeah... I have one of the fender dimension things that ran out of > oil. Is the oil available at any more reasonable rate? Is anyone > interested in this project? -Bob --Apple-Mail-4-401474775 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII You can get the oil on Ebay. Look up oil can delay and you'll find it. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Feb-07, at 9:31 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: Oh yeah... I have one of the fender dimension things that ran out of oil. Is the oil available at any more reasonable rate? Is anyone interested in this project? -Bob --Apple-Mail-4-401474775-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 14:36:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E0F73BF34; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nMDkxTez7FK8XHyifpg6Gj1eDTjMqlGPJF5/KvtdNvaAlD3k8nbVOzgvqQLeSghKfZvxWqJBaw7itNHbT6HUTBdw1tULA4NGXhMyDf7B5CgRswgKjTxbjFwa1J5PwmP8Q3c5mjBAPXi0dRVnPRnr72lx3MosRtWaxTWiiXgZb3U= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <529C0DA2-E46E-4179-BDCD-726FA123CB7B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:36:51 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > My actual recent rig is not on picture, but if you take the Bidule > setup on the picture (above link) and replace Guitar Rig 2 with TC > Electronics FireworX it will be the same thing. The point in both > these setups (1+2) is that the effect processing is beat synced from > what I play (as opposed to the other way around: "trying to sync your > playing to some machine") On 20 feb 2007, at 13.56, Sjaak wrote: > Per, > How do you sync the TC FireworX with other gear? MIDI Clock. (Mobius sends out MIDI Clock through the laptop's MIDI Out port) > Can it be used as a midi clock master using the beat sync options? Yes. But I don't use it that way. > Other question: what's the difference between the D-Two and > FireworX regarding delay's? Sorry, I don't know. Have never used a D-Two or learned it by theory. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 14:57:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 409A63BF26; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <45DA87AB.1010406@imt.net> References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <45DA3478.2050700@mhorse.com> <45DA87AB.1010406@imt.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-402699511 Message-Id: <81bd7d14cf87bb70a0927666acc007d6@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: oil can oil Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 06:57:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:57:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-402699511 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I just looked at ebay and the oil for oll can delays isn't there now. Was just a week ago. It IS available. So here's one resource. http://jray1.tripod.com/ and another http://www.oilcandelay.com/ which will lead you to: http://p200.ezboard.com/btelrayoilcanaddicts This is where I learned the tiny bit I know about oil can delays. There's a guy on ebay trying to sell a Fender oilcan for almost 700! They're not worth that. A very rare Standel just sold for less than 300 (if I remember correctly). I hear the best are the Gibson ones and they fetch around $300 USD. As you can see, I am - of course - interested in the project! richard sales glassWing farm and studio On 19-Feb-07, at 9:31 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: > Oh yeah... I have one of the fender dimension things that ran out of > oil. Is the oil available at any more reasonable rate? Is anyone > interested in this project? -Bob > > burnett@pobox.com wrote: --Apple-Mail-5-402699511 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I just looked at ebay and the oil for oll can delays isn't there now. Was just a week ago. It IS available. So here's one resource. http://jray1.tripod.com/ and another http://www.oilcandelay.com/ which will lead you to: http://p200.ezboard.com/btelrayoilcanaddicts This is where I learned the tiny bit I know about oil can delays. There's a guy on ebay trying to sell a Fender oilcan for almost 700! They're not worth that. A very rare Standel just sold for less than 300 (if I remember correctly). I hear the best are the Gibson ones and they fetch around $300 USD. As you can see, I am - of course - interested in the project! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio On 19-Feb-07, at 9:31 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: Oh yeah... I have one of the fender dimension things that ran out of oil. Is the oil available at any more reasonable rate? Is anyone interested in this project? -Bob burnett@pobox.com wrote: --Apple-Mail-5-402699511-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 15:49:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3D1A3BF15; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.84.126.202] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <529C0DA2-E46E-4179-BDCD-726FA123CB7B@gmail.com> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:49:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2007 15:49:28.0237 (UTC) FILETIME=[B40E9DD0:01C75506] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Wow .... we should have had this thread earlier, I really enjoy seeing everyone's setup. Since I am finally well enough to get out of bed, I figured I would contribute as well ...... As some of you know, I use my own software ...... it's my "ultimate looper" ... so for those of you considering building your own ultimate ... go for it. Nothing is more rewarding, and since we are all different, it's the best way to really get what you want ....... but be warned ... it takes a LOT of time ..... two years and counting for me, I I just started rewriting the code to be VST and ASIO compliant .... which means starting over again ..... weeee.... So now for the nitty gritty ...... http://www.flyloops.com/setup.html The reason there are so many midi connections is because I want to be abloe to control the 5 loops my program uses from any instrument ..... so either FCB1010, the mixer or the keyboard can trigger loop record / play / stack / change volume or effects. The loops can be syncronouos or not .... I use the first recorded loop as a master and then can trigger record / play whenever the master rolls over. I don't use a drum machine, or anything with a midi clock, so this is a better solution for me ...... I guess it's been a while since I posted the link on this list ... so if your interested, there are a few demo videos on the website: www.flyloops.com ....... or on youtube, search for flyloops. Always looking for feedback ..... Aaron Leese _________________________________________________________________ Want a degree but can't afford to quit? Top school degrees online - in as fast as 1 year http://forms.nextag.com/goto.jsp?url=/serv/main/buyer/education.jsp?doSearch=n&tm=y&search=education_text_links_88_h288c&s=4079&p=5116 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 15:52:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2911B3BF1D; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:52:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: rigs Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <45DB1940.7097.C34B1@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20070220145710.D08163BF2F@arsenic.violacea.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:52:39 +0000 (UTC) There's a montage of my current rig here www.looping.me.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 15:53:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 485FB3BF25; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping in the dark Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:53:55 +0000 Message-Id: <022020071553.29527.45DB1993000B7383000073572216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29527_1171986835_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:53:58 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29527_1171986835_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Excellent question! One of the things that bothers me about watching a looping performance has always been the constant eyes on the ground. Ive always incorporated my feet into my practice routines. Play a line, hit a switch. I've gotten to where I can pretty much hit it 95% of the time. I also come to gigs with shoes that I can slip out of easily. The FCB is easy to feel. And unlike other pedals, you wont accidently activate a switch if your foot touches it. Still want that bluetooth lcd on my mic stand though. MFC --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29527_1171986835_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Excellent question! One of the things that bothers me about watching a looping performance has always been the constant eyes on the ground. Ive always incorporated my feet into my practice routines. Play a line, hit a switch. I've gotten to where I can pretty much hit it 95% of the time. I also come to gigs with shoes that I can slip out of easily. The FCB is easy to feel. And unlike other pedals, you wont accidently activate a switch if your foot touches it.
Still want that bluetooth lcd on my mic stand though.
 
MFC
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29527_1171986835_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 16:42:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0E723BF16; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "GORDIUS info" To: Subject: RE: looping in the dark Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:43:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C75516.96BBF3D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <022020071553.29527.45DB1993000B7383000073572216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Thread-Index: AcdVB1aikc+a/+xIS8ygFwGH6Sti/QABn5ZA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070220164155.E687C220113@assei1bl6.telenet-ops.be> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:42:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C75516.96BBF3D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok , and who is able to program some patches into his FCB using his feet and with eyes closed ? Now that is a challenge ;-) _____ From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net] Sent: dinsdag 20 februari 2007 16:54 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping in the dark Excellent question! One of the things that bothers me about watching a looping performance has always been the constant eyes on the ground. Ive always incorporated my feet into my practice routines. Play a line, hit a switch. I've gotten to where I can pretty much hit it 95% of the time. I also come to gigs with shoes that I can slip out of easily. The FCB is easy to feel. And unlike other pedals, you wont accidently activate a switch if your foot touches it. Still want that bluetooth lcd on my mic stand though. MFC ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C75516.96BBF3D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
ok , and who is able to program some patches = into his FCB=20 using his feet and with eyes closed ? Now that is a=20 challenge ;-)

 

From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net=20 [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net]
Sent: dinsdag 20 = februari 2007=20 16:54
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 looping in the dark

Excellent question! One of the things that bothers me about = watching a=20 looping performance has always been the constant eyes on the ground. Ive = always=20 incorporated my feet into my practice routines. Play a line, hit a = switch. I've=20 gotten to where I can pretty much hit it 95% of the time. I also come to = gigs=20 with shoes that I can slip out of easily. The FCB is easy to feel. And = unlike=20 other pedals, you wont accidently activate a switch if your foot touches = it.=20
Still want that bluetooth lcd on my mic stand though.
 
MFC
------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C75516.96BBF3D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 16:44:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 296723BEFC; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DB2551.2040402@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:44:01 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping in the dark References: <20070220164155.E687C220113@assei1bl6.telenet-ops.be> In-Reply-To: <20070220164155.E687C220113@assei1bl6.telenet-ops.be> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080708050009030207060700" Resent-Message-ID: <1ni8qC.A.rdH.TVy2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:44:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080708050009030207060700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who's able to program patches into his FCB using only his feet? Also a challenge... GORDIUS info wrote: > > ok , and who is able to program some patches into his FCB using his > feet and with eyes closed ? Now /that /is a challenge ;-) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* midifriedchicken@comcast.net > [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net] > *Sent:* dinsdag 20 februari 2007 16:54 > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: looping in the dark > > Excellent question! One of the things that bothers me about watching a > looping performance has always been the constant eyes on the ground. > Ive always incorporated my feet into my practice routines. Play a > line, hit a switch. I've gotten to where I can pretty much hit it 95% > of the time. I also come to gigs with shoes that I can slip out of > easily. The FCB is easy to feel. And unlike other pedals, you wont > accidently activate a switch if your foot touches it. > Still want that bluetooth lcd on my mic stand though. > > MFC --------------080708050009030207060700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who's able to program patches into his FCB using only his feet?  Also a challenge...

GORDIUS info wrote:
 
ok , and who is able to program some patches into his FCB using his feet and with eyes closed ? Now that is a challenge ;-)

 

From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net]
Sent: dinsdag 20 februari 2007 16:54
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: looping in the dark

Excellent question! One of the things that bothers me about watching a looping performance has always been the constant eyes on the ground. Ive always incorporated my feet into my practice routines. Play a line, hit a switch. I've gotten to where I can pretty much hit it 95% of the time. I also come to gigs with shoes that I can slip out of easily. The FCB is easy to feel. And unlike other pedals, you wont accidently activate a switch if your foot touches it.
Still want that bluetooth lcd on my mic stand though.
 
MFC
--------------080708050009030207060700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 17:31:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9AF43BF14; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2019.69.59.206.219.1171992668.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: <45DA34AE.5060207@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:31:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [LOOP] show me yours and i'll show you mine... From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Simple, maybe, but FAR from inadequate! I love the Demeter stuff. I'll try to take some pix at the gig tonight to show y'all my thang. > > > Geez... > Some of you guys have some pretty outrageous setups. I somehaow feel > "inadequate". Well, I will have to figure out somewhere to post a pic of > my > quite simple looping setup, but here is a descrption of what I am using of > late: > > Godin fretless five string bass w/ custom RMC electronics > Demeter Tube DI > Demeter Opto Compulator compressor > Barge Concepts VFB2 variable feedback aux loop > Custom Modified Lexicon JamMan (modded by Bob Sellon and amongst its new > fuctions: > longer loop time;Stereo;Multiple parallel and/or serial loops;undo; > automated fade in and fade out (global or per track), ehanced feedback > control and a bunch of other stuff... > Demeter RV1 Analog spring reverb (my only effect!) > Low End True Voice Tube Preamp > > The JamMan is controlled sans MIDI by two digitech FS300 footswitches. > > Simple, eh? > > Max > > _________________________________________________________________ > With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few > simple tips. > http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 17:44:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BFFB3BF19; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DB3396.9070600@likins.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:44:54 -0500 From: Adrian Likins User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20061223) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: arne@skage.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Arne R. Skage jr wrote: > Hi folks, what about posting pictures of your rig? there is probably > not one alike out there. Im interested in what experiences people have, > specially in operating in strereo /mono use of fx before/after looper, > regarding monitoring, use of microphones in a loop setup etc etc... use > of laptop/ software in this context > > heres mine > > http://skages.blogspot.com/2007/01/gibsonoberheim-echoplex-digital-pro.html > http://www.flickr.com/photos/alikins/4025135/ Thats a pic of my rig at a Phasmatodea show at an Atari Collectors show, so I was going with a bit of a theme. My rig changes every time I play, but thats most of the basics ;-> http://www.flickr.com/photos/alikins/6816106/ Pic of me and Steve's setup at a Subscape Annex show. Adrian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 18:13:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 699133BF1F; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:13:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DB4879.7050505@imt.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:14:01 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oil can oil References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <45DA3478.2050700@mhorse.com> <45DA87AB.1010406@imt.net> <81bd7d14cf87bb70a0927666acc007d6@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <81bd7d14cf87bb70a0927666acc007d6@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3CUC4D.A.beG.3oz2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:13:11 +0000 (UTC) The one I have here is a Fender Dimension IV. It's in really nice shape. One nick above the power light and very decent covering even. I looked into it years ago, found out the oil wasn't available that we could see and left it sat there; having looked over all connections and stuff. So while I can't assure there isn't another problem my suspician is that if you get the oil in there it'll work. I suppose there are bushing that let it leak out? Anyyway let me know what you think a fair price is if you're into it. These are pretty rare. None on the bay right now or in comleted listings. -Bob Richard Sales wrote: > I just looked at ebay and the oil for oll can delays isn't there now. > Was just a week ago. > > It IS available. So here's one resource. > > *http://jray1.tripod.com/ > * > and another > > *http://www.oilcandelay.com/ > * > which will lead you to: > > *http://p200.ezboard.com/btelrayoilcanaddicts > * > This is where I learned the tiny bit I know about oil can delays. > > There's a guy on ebay trying to sell a Fender oilcan for almost 700! > They're not worth that. A very rare Standel just sold for less than > 300 (if I remember correctly). I hear the best are the Gibson ones and > they fetch around $300 USD. > > As you can see, I am - of course - interested in the project! > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > > On 19-Feb-07, at 9:31 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: > > Oh yeah... I have one of the fender dimension things that ran out > of oil. Is the oil available at any more reasonable rate? Is > anyone interested in this project? -Bob > > burnett@pobox.com wrote: > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 18:23:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EA423BF25; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:23:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <45DB4879.7050505@imt.net> References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <45DA3478.2050700@mhorse.com> <45DA87AB.1010406@imt.net> <81bd7d14cf87bb70a0927666acc007d6@glasswing.com> <45DB4879.7050505@imt.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-415058516 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: oil can oil Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:23:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <3X1ouC.A.pUH.Wyz2FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:23:18 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-415058516 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Well... here's a Fender. The guy has acorns in his brains price wise! Or maybe he just lives too close to Wall Street. http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Fender-Variable-Delay-Tel-Ray-Adineko- excellent_W0QQitemZ150092618517QQihZ005QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWDVW QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Here's the original Tel Ray on DaBay http://cgi.ebay.com/TEL-RAY-AD-AN-ECHO-OIL-CAN-DELAY-REVERB-ALL- TUBE_W0QQitemZ190084506392QQihZ009QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ 1QQcmdZViewItem Found these by searching "Tel Ray" So yours doesn't work right now? richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 20-Feb-07, at 11:14 AM, Bob Weigel wrote: > The one I have here is a Fender Dimension IV. It's in really nice > shape. One nick above the power light and very decent covering even. > I looked into it years ago, found out the oil wasn't available that we > could see and left it sat there; having looked over all connections > and stuff. So while I can't assure there isn't another problem my > suspician is that if you get the oil in there it'll work. I suppose > there are bushing that let it leak out? Anyyway let me know what you > think a fair price is if you're into it. These are pretty rare. None > on the bay right now or in comleted listings. -Bob > > Richard Sales wrote: > >> I just looked at ebay and the oil for oll can delays isn't there now. >> Was just a week ago. >> >> It IS available. So here's one resource. >> >> *http://jray1.tripod.com/ >> * >> and another >> >> *http://www.oilcandelay.com/ >> * >> which will lead you to: >> >> *http://p200.ezboard.com/btelrayoilcanaddicts >> * >> This is where I learned the tiny bit I know about oil can delays. >> >> There's a guy on ebay trying to sell a Fender oilcan for almost 700! >> They're not worth that. A very rare Standel just sold for less than >> 300 (if I remember correctly). I hear the best are the Gibson ones >> and they fetch around $300 USD. >> >> As you can see, I am - of course - interested in the project! >> >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> >> On 19-Feb-07, at 9:31 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: >> >> Oh yeah... I have one of the fender dimension things that ran out >> of oil. Is the oil available at any more reasonable rate? Is >> anyone interested in this project? -Bob >> >> burnett@pobox.com wrote: >> > --Apple-Mail-1-415058516 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Well... here's a Fender. The guy has acorns in his brains price wise! Or maybe he just lives too close to Wall Street. http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Fender-Variable-Delay-Tel-Ray-Adineko-excellent_W0QQitemZ150092618517QQihZ005QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Here's the original Tel Ray on DaBay http://cgi.ebay.com/TEL-RAY-AD-AN-ECHO-OIL-CAN-DELAY-REVERB-ALL-TUBE_W0QQitemZ190084506392QQihZ009QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Found these by searching "Tel Ray" So yours doesn't work right now? Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 20-Feb-07, at 11:14 AM, Bob Weigel wrote: The one I have here is a Fender Dimension IV. It's in really nice shape. One nick above the power light and very decent covering even. I looked into it years ago, found out the oil wasn't available that we could see and left it sat there; having looked over all connections and stuff. So while I can't assure there isn't another problem my suspician is that if you get the oil in there it'll work. I suppose there are bushing that let it leak out? Anyyway let me know what you think a fair price is if you're into it. These are pretty rare. None on the bay right now or in comleted listings. -Bob Richard Sales wrote: I just looked at ebay and the oil for oll can delays isn't there now. Was just a week ago. It IS available. So here's one resource. *http://jray1.tripod.com/ * and another *http://www.oilcandelay.com/ * which will lead you to: *http://p200.ezboard.com/btelrayoilcanaddicts * This is where I learned the tiny bit I know about oil can delays. There's a guy on ebay trying to sell a Fender oilcan for almost 700! They're not worth that. A very rare Standel just sold for less than 300 (if I remember correctly). I hear the best are the Gibson ones and they fetch around $300 USD. As you can see, I am - of course - interested in the project! richard sales glassWing farm and studio On 19-Feb-07, at 9:31 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: Oh yeah... I have one of the fender dimension things that ran out of oil. Is the oil available at any more reasonable rate? Is anyone interested in this project? -Bob burnett@pobox.com wrote: --Apple-Mail-1-415058516-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 18:27:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B4FD3BF28; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DB4BE8.4060701@imt.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:28:40 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oil can oil References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <45DA3478.2050700@mhorse.com> <45DA87AB.1010406@imt.net> <81bd7d14cf87bb70a0927666acc007d6@glasswing.com> <45DB4879.7050505@imt.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:27:49 +0000 (UTC) hehe. Man yeah 700 is a little crazy for something that simple. His has knobs. Mine is simpler yet; just switches for power and vibrato/reverb. 005799 serial number. -Bob Richard Sales wrote: > Well... here's a Fender. The guy has acorns in his brains price wise! > Or maybe he just lives too close to Wall Street. > > > *http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Fender-Variable-Delay-Tel-Ray-Adineko-excellent_W0QQitemZ150092618517QQihZ005QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > * > Here's the original Tel Ray on DaBay > > *http://cgi.ebay.com/TEL-RAY-AD-AN-ECHO-OIL-CAN-DELAY-REVERB-ALL-TUBE_W0QQitemZ190084506392QQihZ009QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem* > > > Found these by searching "Tel Ray" > > So yours doesn't work right now? > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 20-Feb-07, at 11:14 AM, Bob Weigel wrote: > > The one I have here is a Fender Dimension IV. It's in really nice > shape. One nick above the power light and very decent covering > even. I looked into it years ago, found out the oil wasn't > available that we could see and left it sat there; having looked > over all connections and stuff. So while I can't assure there > isn't another problem my suspician is that if you get the oil in > there it'll work. I suppose there are bushing that let it leak > out? Anyyway let me know what you think a fair price is if you're > into it. These are pretty rare. None on the bay right now or in > comleted listings. -Bob > > Richard Sales wrote: > > I just looked at ebay and the oil for oll can delays isn't > there now. Was just a week ago. > > It IS available. So here's one resource. > > *http://jray1.tripod.com/ > * > and another > > *http://www.oilcandelay.com/ > * > which will lead you to: > > *http://p200.ezboard.com/btelrayoilcanaddicts > * > This is where I learned the tiny bit I know about oil can delays. > > There's a guy on ebay trying to sell a Fender oilcan for > almost 700! They're not worth that. A very rare Standel just > sold for less than 300 (if I remember correctly). I hear the > best are the Gibson ones and they fetch around $300 USD. > > As you can see, I am - of course - interested in the project! > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > > On 19-Feb-07, at 9:31 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: > > Oh yeah... I have one of the fender dimension things that ran out > of oil. Is the oil available at any more reasonable rate? Is > anyone interested in this project? -Bob > > burnett@pobox.com wrote: > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 18:34:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13D053BF1D; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DB4D7C.7000901@imt.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:35:24 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oil can oil References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <45DA3478.2050700@mhorse.com> <45DA87AB.1010406@imt.net> <81bd7d14cf87bb70a0927666acc007d6@glasswing.com> <45DB4879.7050505@imt.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Oh and I see only 13 bucks! I heard rumors of some really expensive source a while back like 60 dollars or something for a refill :-). But yeah I haven't been able to test as I just worked over the electronics years ago then found out that there was no oil in de can :-). Here's a pic btw at http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/1186/ and a few reviews at least. -Bob Richard Sales wrote: > Well... here's a Fender. The guy has acorns in his brains price wise! > Or maybe he just lives too close to Wall Street. > > > *http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Fender-Variable-Delay-Tel-Ray-Adineko-excellent_W0QQitemZ150092618517QQihZ005QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > * > Here's the original Tel Ray on DaBay > > *http://cgi.ebay.com/TEL-RAY-AD-AN-ECHO-OIL-CAN-DELAY-REVERB-ALL-TUBE_W0QQitemZ190084506392QQihZ009QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem* > > > Found these by searching "Tel Ray" > > So yours doesn't work right now? > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 20-Feb-07, at 11:14 AM, Bob Weigel wrote: > > The one I have here is a Fender Dimension IV. It's in really nice > shape. One nick above the power light and very decent covering > even. I looked into it years ago, found out the oil wasn't > available that we could see and left it sat there; having looked > over all connections and stuff. So while I can't assure there > isn't another problem my suspician is that if you get the oil in > there it'll work. I suppose there are bushing that let it leak > out? Anyyway let me know what you think a fair price is if you're > into it. These are pretty rare. None on the bay right now or in > comleted listings. -Bob > > Richard Sales wrote: > > I just looked at ebay and the oil for oll can delays isn't > there now. Was just a week ago. > > It IS available. So here's one resource. > > *http://jray1.tripod.com/ > * > and another > > *http://www.oilcandelay.com/ > * > which will lead you to: > > *http://p200.ezboard.com/btelrayoilcanaddicts > * > This is where I learned the tiny bit I know about oil can delays. > > There's a guy on ebay trying to sell a Fender oilcan for > almost 700! They're not worth that. A very rare Standel just > sold for less than 300 (if I remember correctly). I hear the > best are the Gibson ones and they fetch around $300 USD. > > As you can see, I am - of course - interested in the project! > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > > On 19-Feb-07, at 9:31 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: > > Oh yeah... I have one of the fender dimension things that ran out > of oil. Is the oil available at any more reasonable rate? Is > anyone interested in this project? -Bob > > burnett@pobox.com wrote: > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 18:59:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D09723BF1F; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:59:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <45DB4D7C.7000901@imt.net> References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <45DA3478.2050700@mhorse.com> <45DA87AB.1010406@imt.net> <81bd7d14cf87bb70a0927666acc007d6@glasswing.com> <45DB4879.7050505@imt.net> <45DB4D7C.7000901@imt.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-417209256 Message-Id: <583e6cdc9f36f0a582661f02ec5a7226@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: oil can oil Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:58:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:59:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-417209256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Well if I were you I'd get the oil and see how you like it before Step 2! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 20-Feb-07, at 11:35 AM, Bob Weigel wrote: > Oh and I see only 13 bucks! I heard rumors of some really expensive > source a while back like 60 dollars or something for a refill :-). > But yeah I haven't been able to test as I just worked over the > electronics years ago then found out that there was no oil in de can > :-). Here's a pic btw at http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/1186/ > and a few reviews at least. -Bob > > Richard Sales wrote: > >> Well... here's a Fender. The guy has acorns in his brains price wise! >> Or maybe he just lives too close to Wall Street. >> >> >> *http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Fender-Variable-Delay-Tel-Ray-Adineko- >> excellent_W0QQitemZ150092618517QQihZ005QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWD >> VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> * >> Here's the original Tel Ray on DaBay >> >> *http://cgi.ebay.com/TEL-RAY-AD-AN-ECHO-OIL-CAN-DELAY-REVERB-ALL- >> TUBE_W0QQitemZ190084506392QQihZ009QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWDVWQQr >> dZ1QQcmdZViewItem* >> >> Found these by searching "Tel Ray" >> >> So yours doesn't work right now? >> >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> vancouver island, b.c. >> 800.545.6846 >> 250.752.4816 >> www.glassWing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >> On 20-Feb-07, at 11:14 AM, Bob Weigel wrote: >> >> The one I have here is a Fender Dimension IV. It's in really nice >> shape. One nick above the power light and very decent covering >> even. I looked into it years ago, found out the oil wasn't >> available that we could see and left it sat there; having looked >> over all connections and stuff. So while I can't assure there >> isn't another problem my suspician is that if you get the oil in >> there it'll work. I suppose there are bushing that let it leak >> out? Anyyway let me know what you think a fair price is if you're >> into it. These are pretty rare. None on the bay right now or in >> comleted listings. -Bob >> >> Richard Sales wrote: >> >> I just looked at ebay and the oil for oll can delays isn't >> there now. Was just a week ago. >> >> It IS available. So here's one resource. >> >> *http://jray1.tripod.com/ >> * >> and another >> >> *http://www.oilcandelay.com/ >> * >> which will lead you to: >> >> *http://p200.ezboard.com/btelrayoilcanaddicts >> * >> This is where I learned the tiny bit I know about oil can >> delays. >> >> There's a guy on ebay trying to sell a Fender oilcan for >> almost 700! They're not worth that. A very rare Standel just >> sold for less than 300 (if I remember correctly). I hear the >> best are the Gibson ones and they fetch around $300 USD. >> >> As you can see, I am - of course - interested in the project! >> >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> >> On 19-Feb-07, at 9:31 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: >> >> Oh yeah... I have one of the fender dimension things that ran >> out >> of oil. Is the oil available at any more reasonable rate? Is >> anyone interested in this project? -Bob >> >> burnett@pobox.com wrote: >> >> > --Apple-Mail-1-417209256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Well if I were you I'd get the oil and see how you like it before Step 2! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 20-Feb-07, at 11:35 AM, Bob Weigel wrote: Oh and I see only 13 bucks! I heard rumors of some really expensive source a while back like 60 dollars or something for a refill :-). But yeah I haven't been able to test as I just worked over the electronics years ago then found out that there was no oil in de can :-). Here's a pic btw at http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/1186/ and a few reviews at least. -Bob Richard Sales wrote: Well... here's a Fender. The guy has acorns in his brains price wise! Or maybe he just lives too close to Wall Street. *http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Fender-Variable-Delay-Tel-Ray-Adineko-excellent_W0QQitemZ150092618517QQihZ005QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem * Here's the original Tel Ray on DaBay *http://cgi.ebay.com/TEL-RAY-AD-AN-ECHO-OIL-CAN-DELAY-REVERB-ALL-TUBE_W0QQitemZ190084506392QQihZ009QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem* Found these by searching "Tel Ray" So yours doesn't work right now? richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 20-Feb-07, at 11:14 AM, Bob Weigel wrote: The one I have here is a Fender Dimension IV. It's in really nice shape. One nick above the power light and very decent covering even. I looked into it years ago, found out the oil wasn't available that we could see and left it sat there; having looked over all connections and stuff. So while I can't assure there isn't another problem my suspician is that if you get the oil in there it'll work. I suppose there are bushing that let it leak out? Anyyway let me know what you think a fair price is if you're into it. These are pretty rare. None on the bay right now or in comleted listings. -Bob Richard Sales wrote: I just looked at ebay and the oil for oll can delays isn't there now. Was just a week ago. It IS available. So here's one resource. *http://jray1.tripod.com/ * and another *http://www.oilcandelay.com/ * which will lead you to: *http://p200.ezboard.com/btelrayoilcanaddicts * This is where I learned the tiny bit I know about oil can delays. There's a guy on ebay trying to sell a Fender oilcan for almost 700! They're not worth that. A very rare Standel just sold for less than 300 (if I remember correctly). I hear the best are the Gibson ones and they fetch around $300 USD. As you can see, I am - of course - interested in the project! richard sales glassWing farm and studio On 19-Feb-07, at 9:31 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: Oh yeah... I have one of the fender dimension things that ran out of oil. Is the oil available at any more reasonable rate? Is anyone interested in this project? -Bob burnett@pobox.com wrote: --Apple-Mail-1-417209256-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 19:08:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A59843BF25; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DB5584.6020402@imt.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:09:40 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oil can oil References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <45DA3478.2050700@mhorse.com> <45DA87AB.1010406@imt.net> <81bd7d14cf87bb70a0927666acc007d6@glasswing.com> <45DB4879.7050505@imt.net> <45DB4D7C.7000901@imt.net> <583e6cdc9f36f0a582661f02ec5a7226@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <583e6cdc9f36f0a582661f02ec5a7226@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9d0PU.A.hfD.Bd02FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Oh I know it'd be fun to play with but I've got so many projects here that people want me to do and I want to do. Just fixing all the broken keyboards right now...got one done yesterday that took a couple days... have a possibly harder one to tackle next here (prophet T8..) and then a couple OB8's. Too much broken expensive stuff lying around that I got deals on a while back. And now the cries for the looper solution. But maybe someday I'll go 'wow I have time to mess with that effect!'. -Bob Richard Sales wrote: > Well if I were you I'd get the oil and see how you like it before Step 2! > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 20-Feb-07, at 11:35 AM, Bob Weigel wrote: > > Oh and I see only 13 bucks! I heard rumors of some really > expensive source a while back like 60 dollars or something for a > refill :-). But yeah I haven't been able to test as I just worked > over the electronics years ago then found out that there was no > oil in de can :-). Here's a pic btw at > http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/1186/ and a few reviews at > least. -Bob > > Richard Sales wrote: > > Well... here's a Fender. The guy has acorns in his brains > price wise! Or maybe he just lives too close to Wall Street. > > > *http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Fender-Variable-Delay-Tel-Ray-Adineko-excellent_W0QQitemZ150092618517QQihZ005QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > * > Here's the original Tel Ray on DaBay > > *http://cgi.ebay.com/TEL-RAY-AD-AN-ECHO-OIL-CAN-DELAY-REVERB-ALL-TUBE_W0QQitemZ190084506392QQihZ009QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem* > > > Found these by searching "Tel Ray" > > So yours doesn't work right now? > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 20-Feb-07, at 11:14 AM, Bob Weigel wrote: > > The one I have here is a Fender Dimension IV. It's in really nice > shape. One nick above the power light and very decent covering > even. I looked into it years ago, found out the oil wasn't > available that we could see and left it sat there; having looked > over all connections and stuff. So while I can't assure there > isn't another problem my suspician is that if you get the oil in > there it'll work. I suppose there are bushing that let it leak > out? Anyyway let me know what you think a fair price is if you're > into it. These are pretty rare. None on the bay right now or in > comleted listings. -Bob > > Richard Sales wrote: > > I just looked at ebay and the oil for oll can delays isn't > there now. Was just a week ago. > > It IS available. So here's one resource. > > *http://jray1.tripod.com/ > * > and another > > *http://www.oilcandelay.com/ > * > which will lead you to: > > *http://p200.ezboard.com/btelrayoilcanaddicts > * > This is where I learned the tiny bit I know about oil can delays. > > There's a guy on ebay trying to sell a Fender oilcan for > almost 700! They're not worth that. A very rare Standel just > sold for less than 300 (if I remember correctly). I hear the > best are the Gibson ones and they fetch around $300 USD. > > As you can see, I am - of course - interested in the project! > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > > On 19-Feb-07, at 9:31 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: > > Oh yeah... I have one of the fender dimension things that ran out > of oil. Is the oil available at any more reasonable rate? Is > anyone interested in this project? -Bob > > burnett@pobox.com wrote: > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 19:17:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E3CE3BF45; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:17:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PpDW7jiU/kbm8oipNPUOVtdd5kr9WH42qN3XJWyFs4+m2uigbRi9swKLvOASoigZtBuqflPvyA3coKVPBhO0TH7JU7thZ+h9DbhmiOXwSzD/VIOM6X0Dim0Y8WmT8Bstp34FudqP2eFnzEtb+QrZWz9DYUEl93+zRUeKe5CnHzs=; X-YMail-OSG: k4EAnwcVM1lnuX0HUHaxF6oau73hkU4o89WjuRUMg1DZGqBxU9Pm.naEKWJp4upvag-- Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:17:09 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: FS: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <09176B11-488D-4CEB-9847-FAD331360A10@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <61431.21945.qm@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:17:11 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I hear you. I do think NI's copy protection measures are a bit draconian. However, as a non-professional, they don't really effect me at all other than a laborious install process. Seems to have gotten easier with their "Service Center" software. What's the alternative? Silly dongles? I hate them too. They give you 2 installs and that's fine with me. One for the G5 at home and one for the laptop. Personally, I think NI is kind of up against a wall on this, as are most software developers. Moog doesn't worry about someone stealing a Little Phatty from The Guitar Center, but Ohmforce sure has to worry about it's MiniMonsta gets cracked and passed around. I guess I figure if I want things like Reaktor to exist, I'd better pay for them and put up with some restrictions. That said, there's a ton of cool stuff that's FREE out there as well for people who can't/won't shell out the cash for software. BTW, I lowered the Buy It Now and starting price a little in case people are still insterested. --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 20 feb 2007, at 07.01, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > At first I thought this wouldn't belong here, but > then > > I realized that it came with loopers! > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&sspagename=STRK > > > %3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=190084807931&rd=1&rd=1 > > > Yes, I agree that the Electronic Instruments suite > rock. Didn't know > NI discontinued them. But anyway, I wouldn't buy > another product from > NI because their licensing policy makes it difficult > for me. ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 19:41:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C8133BF1E; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: RE: Anyone from Belgium or The Netherlands? Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:41:26 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c75527$1efcadb0$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <00ac01c754d3$8851e6d0$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> Thread-Index: AcdU04r8w+kQMXnCQy+WQIIja4eheAAUzxAg Importance: Normal X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: guri 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Hi Ben, Good to see I'm not the only person from the low lands on this mailing = list :) Do you perform live in the area of Mons or Belgium. Btw: I'm living = close to Antwerpen. Sjaak From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 19:46:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 740FE3BF22; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: References: <022020071553.29527.45DB1993000B7383000073572216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <20070220164155.E687C220113@assei1bl6.telenet-ops.be> In-Reply-To: <20070220164155.E687C220113@assei1bl6.telenet-ops.be> Subject: RE: looping in the dark Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:46:13 -0500 Message-ID: <017b01c75527$c7e3d070$57ab7150$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017C_01C754FD.DF0DC870" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcdVB1aikc+a/+xIS8ygFwGH6Sti/QABn5ZAAAZR0tA= Content-Language: en-us X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <9orGP.A.WmG.MA12FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:46:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01C754FD.DF0DC870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Being that it is a bear to program in daylight, yeah, that would be something! Even if you use your hands, your wrist will hurt for days with as much force as you need to press each button. After using the software editor though, and the UnO firmware- I don't even know if I would be able to program it by hand or foot anymore. That's pretty bad, I guess. I also try not to look down too much, because I find it distracting when I see others do it. The FCB is pretty easy to hit right most of the time though. Dave Eichenberger http://www.daveeichenberger.com ok , and who is able to program some patches into his FCB using his feet and with eyes closed ? Now that is a challenge ;-) _____ From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net] Sent: dinsdag 20 februari 2007 16:54 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping in the dark Excellent question! One of the things that bothers me about watching a looping performance has always been the constant eyes on the ground. Ive always incorporated my feet into my practice routines. Play a line, hit a switch. I've gotten to where I can pretty much hit it 95% of the time. I also come to gigs with shoes that I can slip out of easily. The FCB is easy to feel. And unlike other pedals, you wont accidently activate a switch if your foot touches it. Still want that bluetooth lcd on my mic stand though. MFC ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01C754FD.DF0DC870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01C754FD.DF0DC870-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 20:31:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8482F3BF19; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=hapkqxCLCtxQR665vaITiR8fcmKQkqxBpqvcyg2aA6xmnOo8Ekp2da7NisUyf+rDgd6MHRSacQu642qyRngN8b6lcB7MYSOCbN76i63N4t36+j3h5/sWAgoORf6rTqZC01J9eH9sDi6+AYXum7Jow6lSKZhBkjnFbaMOq+pE7PQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 9fAsGBUVM1kKdv6uEXRp9cNwBveDJXX4dBIHkBcD0abFGRTRChCxD3rIBDNbyH.AcG8mgaJW8gMFpYgTgfqL7kSyRZgCZA2Km0oawPyTpdxMgS22vz.BFewUQ2yPbmtE1ElBWQrDba9fOlTYrz9HhrLfoKY- Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:31:45 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Baggerman Subject: RE: Anyone from Belgium or The Netherlands? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c75527$1efcadb0$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-595175840-1172003505=:13382" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <506671.13382.qm@web60425.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:31:47 +0000 (UTC) --0-595175840-1172003505=:13382 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi sjaak en ben, i'm also from holland (gouda) i'm not doing a lot of live looping(yet) but am still experimenting with it at home with my chapman stick, bass, guitar and keyboard. i also performed with stickist guillermo cides (check youtube) who's a master looper! anyway good to hear from you, you speak Dutch? take care, Ron Baggerman http://www.galaxygypsy.nl Sjaak wrote: Hi Ben, Good to see I'm not the only person from the low lands on this mailing list :) Do you perform live in the area of Mons or Belgium. Btw: I'm living close to Antwerpen. Sjaak --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. --0-595175840-1172003505=:13382 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi sjaak en ben,

i'm also from holland (gouda) 

i'm not doing a lot of live looping(yet) but am still experimenting with it at home with my chapman stick, bass, guitar and keyboard.

i also performed with stickist guillermo cides (check youtube) who's a master looper!

anyway good to hear from you, you speak Dutch?

take care,

Ron Baggerman
http://www.galaxygypsy.nl

Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be> wrote:
Hi Ben,
Good to see I'm not the only person from the low lands on this mailing list
:) Do you perform live in the area of Mons or Belgium. Btw: I'm living close
to Antwerpen.

Sjaak




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Autos' Green Center. --0-595175840-1172003505=:13382-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 01:41:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 466263BEF7; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=uGLWNJOvVebHeUfCnXBMM1prpoQx9vqKh7Bt8rZLqbbKiqN7NLZYlzT3n3UQ6JSTbYF1A2lAtZJSgii/XxI986d4Ti8yJz3ao2D+zCcEj0NB2ilCDeeENZAm8+cY5SSAMf70citYYVhZrzarz4CWM0XxhDGCFDoGLgrVZF+rG2c=; X-YMail-OSG: w82h0fQVM1njZuwblJh0wqSDYgcsfp_6gUClEaQnuJjPRQOHrqUbLjFidd7LhPLdg2L.qdtWSAOA4NGGIrkSldrdGESAAdG90fxi02ak9cZ3D1QUz2nnXQ-- Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:41:53 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <525286.52351.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Hey Aaron, I notice u have the Bose PAS are u satisfied with it? i am really thinking of trading my yamaha setup for this compact unit,i hear though there it lacks a bit of bass and can be quite Setrile sounding", whats your opinion compared? cheers Luis --- aaron leese wrote: > > > Wow .... we should have had this thread earlier, I > really enjoy seeing > everyone's setup. > > Since I am finally well enough to get out of bed, I > figured I would > contribute as well ...... > > As some of you know, I use my own software ...... > it's my "ultimate looper" > ... so for those of you considering building your > own ultimate ... go for > it. Nothing is more rewarding, and since we are all > different, it's the > best way to really get what you want ....... but be > warned ... it takes a > LOT of time ..... two years and counting for me, I I > just started rewriting > the code to be VST and ASIO compliant .... which > means starting over again > ..... weeee.... > > So now for the nitty gritty ...... > > http://www.flyloops.com/setup.html > > The reason there are so many midi connections is > because I want to be abloe > to control the 5 loops my program uses from any > instrument ..... so either > FCB1010, the mixer or the keyboard can trigger loop > record / play / stack / > change volume or effects. > > The loops can be syncronouos or not .... I use the > first recorded loop as a > master and then can trigger record / play whenever > the master rolls over. I > don't use a drum machine, or anything with a midi > clock, so this is a better > solution for me ...... > > I guess it's been a while since I posted the link on > this list ... so if > your interested, there are a few demo videos on the > website: > > www.flyloops.com > > ....... or on youtube, search for flyloops. > > Always looking for feedback ..... > Aaron Leese > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want a degree but can't afford to quit? Top school > degrees online - in as > fast as 1 year > http://forms.nextag.com/goto.jsp?url=/serv/main/buyer/education.jsp?doSearch=n&tm=y&search=education_text_links_88_h288c&s=4079&p=5116 > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 01:48:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13C603BF25; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.84.126.202] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <525286.52351.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:48:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2007 01:48:39.0501 (UTC) FILETIME=[68AE27D0:01C7555A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:48:42 +0000 (UTC) It's the best thing I ever bought actually ..... You're right about the bass .... but thats why they made bass modules to go with it ...... (about $200 a pop) ...... I have two, which really is overkill (unless you are a DJ trying to get a LOT of bass, one more than enough). One thing though ..... they advertise that it will never feed back .... this is bullshit. It is definetely more resistant than most PAs to feedback, but you still need to keep the mic off to the side .... still no need for a monitor, this thing can sit behind/beside you at a gig ... it really does sound pretty much the same in any direction, which is a big improvement over AMPs and other PAs. anyway, thats my two cents ... buy one. AL >From: "L.A. Angulo" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:41:53 -0800 (PST) > >Hey Aaron, >I notice u have the Bose PAS are u satisfied with it? >i am really thinking of trading my yamaha setup for >this compact unit,i hear though there it lacks a bit >of bass and can be quite Setrile sounding", whats your >opinion compared? >cheers >Luis > > >--- aaron leese wrote: > > > > > > > Wow .... we should have had this thread earlier, I > > really enjoy seeing > > everyone's setup. > > > > Since I am finally well enough to get out of bed, I > > figured I would > > contribute as well ...... > > > > As some of you know, I use my own software ...... > > it's my "ultimate looper" > > ... so for those of you considering building your > > own ultimate ... go for > > it. Nothing is more rewarding, and since we are all > > different, it's the > > best way to really get what you want ....... but be > > warned ... it takes a > > LOT of time ..... two years and counting for me, I I > > just started rewriting > > the code to be VST and ASIO compliant .... which > > means starting over again > > ..... weeee.... > > > > So now for the nitty gritty ...... > > > > http://www.flyloops.com/setup.html > > > > The reason there are so many midi connections is > > because I want to be abloe > > to control the 5 loops my program uses from any > > instrument ..... so either > > FCB1010, the mixer or the keyboard can trigger loop > > record / play / stack / > > change volume or effects. > > > > The loops can be syncronouos or not .... I use the > > first recorded loop as a > > master and then can trigger record / play whenever > > the master rolls over. I > > don't use a drum machine, or anything with a midi > > clock, so this is a better > > solution for me ...... > > > > I guess it's been a while since I posted the link on > > this list ... so if > > your interested, there are a few demo videos on the > > website: > > > > www.flyloops.com > > > > ....... or on youtube, search for flyloops. > > > > Always looking for feedback ..... > > Aaron Leese > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Want a degree but can't afford to quit? Top school > > degrees online - in as > > fast as 1 year > > >http://forms.nextag.com/goto.jsp?url=/serv/main/buyer/education.jsp?doSearch=n&tm=y&search=education_text_links_88_h288c&s=4079&p=5116 > > > > > > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. >Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. >http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html > _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 01:52:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5B583BF25; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:52:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=whUFhfHiG53V7FB3gi1JJewrSvOfsw8f6gxywuLHmCKBDT1wRXxHYsdXddePEaxLzJYSo7ZnZATcRigJT9bptttHaSE1DUFUDz7A2fEigsfbuO8TIfqInO9QfQJqeaCD/XweS8oBSN/DutPo8KLarBmmXNnC0Y4PdzsTWs7t/ak=; X-YMail-OSG: RN5.u2wVM1lCjBPIgAQTWI.oKnwLRX_lae87SS5kRVUzlu9AGgPRKS4lVw16_qWGZw-- Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:52:21 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <291961.8835.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:52:22 +0000 (UTC) thanx! can you connect other subwoofers or do they have to be boses? how do you conect your efects to it? --- aaron leese wrote: > > > It's the best thing I ever bought actually ..... > > You're right about the bass .... but thats why they > made bass modules to go > with it ...... (about $200 a pop) ...... I have two, > which really is > overkill (unless you are a DJ trying to get a LOT of > bass, one more than > enough). > > One thing though ..... they advertise that it will > never feed back .... this > is bullshit. It is definetely more resistant than > most PAs to feedback, but > you still need to keep the mic off to the side .... > still no need for a > monitor, this thing can sit behind/beside you at a > gig ... it really does > sound pretty much the same in any direction, which > is a big improvement over > AMPs and other PAs. > > anyway, thats my two cents ... buy one. > > AL > > > > > >From: "L.A. Angulo" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you > mine... > >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:41:53 -0800 (PST) > > > >Hey Aaron, > >I notice u have the Bose PAS are u satisfied with > it? > >i am really thinking of trading my yamaha setup for > >this compact unit,i hear though there it lacks a > bit > >of bass and can be quite Setrile sounding", whats > your > >opinion compared? > >cheers > >Luis > > > > > >--- aaron leese wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Wow .... we should have had this thread earlier, > I > > > really enjoy seeing > > > everyone's setup. > > > > > > Since I am finally well enough to get out of > bed, I > > > figured I would > > > contribute as well ...... > > > > > > As some of you know, I use my own software > ...... > > > it's my "ultimate looper" > > > ... so for those of you considering building > your > > > own ultimate ... go for > > > it. Nothing is more rewarding, and since we are > all > > > different, it's the > > > best way to really get what you want ....... but > be > > > warned ... it takes a > > > LOT of time ..... two years and counting for me, > I I > > > just started rewriting > > > the code to be VST and ASIO compliant .... which > > > means starting over again > > > ..... weeee.... > > > > > > So now for the nitty gritty ...... > > > > > > http://www.flyloops.com/setup.html > > > > > > The reason there are so many midi connections is > > > because I want to be abloe > > > to control the 5 loops my program uses from any > > > instrument ..... so either > > > FCB1010, the mixer or the keyboard can trigger > loop > > > record / play / stack / > > > change volume or effects. > > > > > > The loops can be syncronouos or not .... I use > the > > > first recorded loop as a > > > master and then can trigger record / play > whenever > > > the master rolls over. I > > > don't use a drum machine, or anything with a > midi > > > clock, so this is a better > > > solution for me ...... > > > > > > I guess it's been a while since I posted the > link on > > > this list ... so if > > > your interested, there are a few demo videos on > the > > > website: > > > > > > www.flyloops.com > > > > > > ....... or on youtube, search for flyloops. > > > > > > Always looking for feedback ..... > > > Aaron Leese > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > Want a degree but can't afford to quit? Top > school > > > degrees online - in as > > > fast as 1 year > > > > >http://forms.nextag.com/goto.jsp?url=/serv/main/buyer/education.jsp?doSearch=n&tm=y&search=education_text_links_88_h288c&s=4079&p=5116 > > > > > > > > > > > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ > >Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > >Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. > >http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see > yours: $0 by Experian. > http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 02:07:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3D9D3BF46; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=MC0Uj49EyB8CZQtwGC+cuS6svY/G/95rbbhqo/Sgamt2E/xfxvDS1DVjOtglzvCBL+kkm3/aBufD3ffc+zbbF+05dF9UazAs6aSdFe+kJlIDvvmryHaIs72mUmoQ0kELV88NyfvurD0fUtgdqdxBysp3lgdal8Z939v2AjOZSGg=; X-YMail-OSG: rpDC7LgVM1nHTr_fm0mqzhJ55L5joQT4svLFBXuGGmiB5Rhf2u342Z_q72Ce07hHNA-- Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:07:20 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Cheap Drum Machine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009401c7537f$638a2ba0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <168458.16323.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:07:21 +0000 (UTC) i recently heard somebody playing with the boss dr.770,very nice sounding little box as well! Luis --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Kevin wrote: > > OT I know, but then again, you all know a lot of > useful OT things like > > which is a better cheap drum machine, the Alesis > SR16 and the Zoom RT > > 223. I can find both used for less than $100 and > was curious if anyone > > had any experience with either of them that might > sway me one way or > > another. I'm basically looking for a machine I > can play live and has > > Midi out. Beyond that I'm flexible (other than > wanting to keep my costs > > around $100). > > Kevin, I owned the grandaddy Alesis HR-16 (precursor > to the SR-16) since > 1980-something, and finally had to retire it last > year when the LCD window > got all mushy-black and the pads needed continual > cleaning to work. I loved > this machine in a way that would make my wife > jealous. I got the Zoom 223 to > replace it. Initially I was pretty jazzed up - good > effects, good sounds, > moderately easy programming. Then I hit the memory > wall. The friggin' thing > has NO memory. You'll get a few sets programmed, a > few patterns written, a > few songs assembled, and right in the middle of > writng something you'll get > a "memory full" message. For me, this is a real > deal-breaker. It has other > shortcomings as well: > * No MIDI out! No MIDI Thru! (MIDI in works fine, I > drive it from my > recording workstation) > * You can't overlay sounds as on the Alesis. I used > to build the coolest > patterns by mixing just a hint of timbale with a > snare, maybe a deeply > detuned snare really soft on all the drums as well > to simulate snare rattle, > stuff like that. No can do on the Zoom 223. > * Zoom 223 has only 2 outputs. Alesis has 4. I used > to program my cymbals to > outputs 3 and 4 and run them through a Microverb to > get a l-o-o-o-n-n-n-n-g > cymbal wash > * Zoom 223's little backlit LCD window of > information is painfully small. > > I will say this for the Zoom 223: > * It runs on batteries. I get totally in another > world when I carry this > little paperback-sized box around, slip on a set of > headphones, and lay down > some whack gamelan-meets-rave patterns while sipping > a latte at Starbucks. > * The sounds are really good, and deeply tunable. > * The pads on the 223 are better than the old HR-16. > Can't compare them to > the SR-16. > * Some nice bass sounds on the 223 (upright, slap, > synth, harmonics, etc.) > * Some nice effects (good reverbs, compression, > bit-reduction distortion, > distressed analog distortion, etc.) > > If you'd like to hear my use of the Zoom 223 in a > standard song context, you > can go to my web site and listen to the one song > I've posted so far. Try > this link: > http://www.thecoyote.org/music.cfm > Scroll down about 1/3 of the way and look for > "Postmortal Postman." The > drums are a Zoom 223. > > Yesterday I bought the Alesis/Ion drum pad-drum > machine set at Costco for > $200. I've heard that the pad-to-MIDI interface is > glitchy, but I figure I'm > getting the drum machine for $150, plus some pads > and a glitchy interface > for $50. > > Bottom line: I'd grab the Alesis SR16 over the Zoom > 223, particularly used > for $100. > > Best, dB > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > www.thecoyote.org > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "Life! Life! > Clouds and clowns! > You don't have to come down!" > - Sly and the Family Stone > > PS - I love your ps: > > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be > the body and to have a > > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the > root cause of all trouble. > > > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 04:31:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4445E3BF43; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 04:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.84.126.202] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <291961.8835.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:31:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2007 04:31:12.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DF3A280:01C75571] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 04:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm ... you can connect extra bass amps/subs ... they're are several 1/4" outs ....... as per the effects .... if you are asking if their is an effects out on the Bose, no their is not ..... you need to connect processors / etc inline ....... if you are asking about effects via the looper in the video .... then it is in the looper (laptop). If niether, you'll have to specify.... AL >From: "L.A. Angulo" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine... >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:52:21 -0800 (PST) > >thanx! >can you connect other subwoofers or do they have to be >boses? >how do you conect your efects to it? > > >--- aaron leese wrote: > > > > > > > It's the best thing I ever bought actually ..... > > > > You're right about the bass .... but thats why they > > made bass modules to go > > with it ...... (about $200 a pop) ...... I have two, > > which really is > > overkill (unless you are a DJ trying to get a LOT of > > bass, one more than > > enough). > > > > One thing though ..... they advertise that it will > > never feed back .... this > > is bullshit. It is definetely more resistant than > > most PAs to feedback, but > > you still need to keep the mic off to the side .... > > still no need for a > > monitor, this thing can sit behind/beside you at a > > gig ... it really does > > sound pretty much the same in any direction, which > > is a big improvement over > > AMPs and other PAs. > > > > anyway, thats my two cents ... buy one. > > > > AL > > > > > > > > > > >From: "L.A. Angulo" > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Subject: Re: show me yours and i'll show you > > mine... > > >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:41:53 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Hey Aaron, > > >I notice u have the Bose PAS are u satisfied with > > it? > > >i am really thinking of trading my yamaha setup for > > >this compact unit,i hear though there it lacks a > > bit > > >of bass and can be quite Setrile sounding", whats > > your > > >opinion compared? > > >cheers > > >Luis > > > > > > > > >--- aaron leese wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow .... we should have had this thread earlier, > > I > > > > really enjoy seeing > > > > everyone's setup. > > > > > > > > Since I am finally well enough to get out of > > bed, I > > > > figured I would > > > > contribute as well ...... > > > > > > > > As some of you know, I use my own software > > ...... > > > > it's my "ultimate looper" > > > > ... so for those of you considering building > > your > > > > own ultimate ... go for > > > > it. Nothing is more rewarding, and since we are > > all > > > > different, it's the > > > > best way to really get what you want ....... but > > be > > > > warned ... it takes a > > > > LOT of time ..... two years and counting for me, > > I I > > > > just started rewriting > > > > the code to be VST and ASIO compliant .... which > > > > means starting over again > > > > ..... weeee.... > > > > > > > > So now for the nitty gritty ...... > > > > > > > > http://www.flyloops.com/setup.html > > > > > > > > The reason there are so many midi connections is > > > > because I want to be abloe > > > > to control the 5 loops my program uses from any > > > > instrument ..... so either > > > > FCB1010, the mixer or the keyboard can trigger > > loop > > > > record / play / stack / > > > > change volume or effects. > > > > > > > > The loops can be syncronouos or not .... I use > > the > > > > first recorded loop as a > > > > master and then can trigger record / play > > whenever > > > > the master rolls over. I > > > > don't use a drum machine, or anything with a > > midi > > > > clock, so this is a better > > > > solution for me ...... > > > > > > > > I guess it's been a while since I posted the > > link on > > > > this list ... so if > > > > your interested, there are a few demo videos on > > the > > > > website: > > > > > > > > www.flyloops.com > > > > > > > > ....... or on youtube, search for flyloops. > > > > > > > > Always looking for feedback ..... > > > > Aaron Leese > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > Want a degree but can't afford to quit? 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Autos' Green Center. >http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ > _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more….then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 05:19:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F006D3BF4B; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=2+ra0DMa1O7JfOMY3TBSpdj6XxMl+HfwhzUJQLKWD3t3/8c6Xn8i82dEzwAZQAh97hQ5Vh5xCw/oC4pzHuKbq3XL61lQjtbdFdWOdZkPcC156nQE9LEuYJKt3mx+/Wsln1/cp8nrCidyKWokatpHRxoNr2PxBtzA9xUws9LJoMo=; X-YMail-OSG: w.Y8SmgVM1mD9e4Ycu2mGQXmqMErXrwUxAdnGHVfd6q6QMTYagNraG9Q2PTY6cJekq_B1iHdFvTrHu1ASuS37oiAxw3zovumYC6DVqLCHHX8UMDDriR0h83_YYjGqJFnaGY193DLAN9kr7A- Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:19:56 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: the wake of the dinasours To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <02B68CCC-0D20-427B-9EAB-C449E3383325@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <498991.78110.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <667MYD.A.BMF.9Z92FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:19:57 +0000 (UTC) another one rising up again: http://classicrock.about.com/od/12/a/zep_reunion.htm cheers Luis --- john floridis wrote: > he's not as popular as he once was, but how about > bruce hornsby? or > speaking of bruce's how about bruce cockburn? well, > he's HUGE in > canda. both outstanding musicians, and hornsby had > several hits. > > john > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 05:34:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 537323BF52; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index; b=h8TvsOrgadNQwH7sDYgIuBQKOr5CCO5r+bBKDtDalU2/YrMXuriEgpjeqfkB+oSkHUHOU0IhBZHsXwp+D5YvXWHC1M8XMHU91dn2GOXQ7BLvkGLq+Uxy1B0g3ScLcmn/xt48A2RDjUNemhmMsznBb2xk0ASLnAF3KAmzXahianI= From: "Tony K" To: References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <45DA34AE.5060207@rhein-zeitung.de> Subject: RE: [LOOP] show me yours and i'll show you mine... Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:34:29 -0500 Message-ID: <00c001c75579$f5956180$0300a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <45DA34AE.5060207@rhein-zeitung.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdUfvELKxG7E1vRRH2Y4D7SxWf7egA+eVyA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:34:25 +0000 (UTC) >I love those Alesis ModFX boxes! >Does the digital row of !four! work without digital pops or crackling - >I stopped using their digital interfaces because of that... I don't get any digital pops with them (and there are 5 in a row by the way.) Though they can be a bit sensitive to being bumped. Fortunately, I don't move them. I can imagine that they might crackle if you were using your foot to turn them on and off since the switch is pretty small. I also have the compressor and the vocoder, but haven't gotten into using them yet. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Dirk Wilbert [mailto:dwilbert@rhein-zeitung.de] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] show me yours and i'll show you mine... I love those Alesis ModFX boxes! Does the digital row of !four! work without digital pops or crackling - I stopped using their digital interfaces because of that... Got to take some pictures... Dirk Tony K schrieb: > >Hi folks, what about posting pictures of your rig? there is probably > not one alike out there. Im >interested in what experiences people > have, specially in operating in strereo /mono use of fx >before/after > looper, regarding monitoring, use of microphones in a loop setup etc > etc... use of >laptop/ software in this context > > Mine can be seen here... > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtonyk/sets/72157594303469033/ > > There's no pic of my latest addition - a VG-8. There are also some > 'before the reorganization' pics in there too. > > I have issues with the sends not being in stereo since that's how I > route my signal to the loopers, but I'm living with it. I might be > able to reroute stuff so I can get the stereo signal that I want, but > I haven't worked it all out yet. > > I don't use software loopers most of the time. I like physically > clicking and twisting. All my effects are at desktop level, I don't > have any loopers on the floor. I do have the VG and an RP2000 on the > floor, but that's it. > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony > http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/693 - Release Date: 2/19/2007 5:01 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 1:44 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 05:37:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E58AE3BF54; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DBDA8D.5040301@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:37:17 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: the wake of the dinasours References: <498991.78110.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <498991.78110.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8TrnWB.A.wHG.Tq92FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:37:23 +0000 (UTC) The /infuriating /thing about the rash of reunions is that, no matter how much I gripe about them (the Sex Pistols one still fills me with disgust), every once in a while ones comes along that makes me think, good god! how could I possibly miss that?!? This might be one of those. I mean, the Police are awesome, and rather tempting in spite of myself, but...dude/...ZEPPELIN/...!! dude. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > another one rising up again: > > http://classicrock.about.com/od/12/a/zep_reunion.htm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 05:53:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FACF3BF49; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:53:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: OT: the wake of the dinasours In-Reply-To: <45DBDA8D.5040301@mhorse.com> References: <498991.78110.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45DBDA8D.5040301@mhorse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070221055349.E09393BEFC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Got to admit, I'd dig out my earplugs and go if they get together and come to Toronto!!!! Wow At 12:37 AM 2/21/2007, you wrote: >The /infuriating /thing about the rash of reunions is that, no >matter how much I gripe about them (the Sex Pistols one still fills >me with disgust), every once in a while ones comes along that makes >me think, good god! how could I possibly miss that?!? > >This might be one of those. I mean, the Police are awesome, and >rather tempting in spite of myself, but...dude/...ZEPPELIN/...!! > >dude. > >Daryl Shawn >www.swanwelder.com >>another one rising up again: >> >>http://classicrock.about.com/od/12/a/zep_reunion.htm >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 10:25:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE76E3BF15; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DC1DF9.3060705@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:24:57 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <021920071753.8972.45D9E437000BD40C0000230C2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <45D9E6C0.2070503@infinivert.com> <45DA063B.4030803@imt.net> In-Reply-To: <45DA063B.4030803@imt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Bob Weigel wrote: > But I could not find the backups of that program! Oh well.. > naturally..after all i spent more time on it than anything else. It > had to be the one thing to absolutely dispappear. Grief... All you described above would let me think, its all a snap to do in Max or Pd... Maybe you lost it to prevent yourself from being stuck to old habits... Even if you'd find the Backup, you probably would have to redo it from scratch anyway... > Anyway definitely sounds like it might be a great direction to create > a more hardware version of the mobius thing working in conjunction > with him. I'll try to research that as soon as I get a few things > done I'm working on here. -Bob Another way to go: setup an embeded Linux box (with activated VNC), running Pd. Then it would be a pretty open concept which would also allow 3rd parties to contribute. The (pretty expensive) Plugzilla or Receptor is running Linux inside btw. Only drawback, to run copy protected VST's would need some special arrangement, but the big advantage: no Windoof needed... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 10:37:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF0443BF1D; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DC20E2.8060509@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:37:22 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702161348j7cee61e6ga509b9134de58dea@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-9tVy.A.6PB.qDC3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Charles Zwicky wrote: > Also not true. Look at the late 1970s. You would think that there > were only 5 bands: Led Zep Arrowsmith, Skinnerd, Boston, Foreigner... For me the five where King Crimson, Genesis, Yes, Greenslade, Kraan... Which is significantly different than your list (I know Led Zep, but who are the other four of your list? ;-) > What became of the hundreds of other bands of that era? All one > needs do is read a few interviews with them to find out how little > has changed. Only hundreds? But to be serious, there is an equilibrium between being successful and the ability to create quality and develop skills. I came across some unknown acts which delivered highest quality and musicianship, all of them where professional musicians and could make a living, even though they where far away from being "a big act". Some big acts are pushed too early in their career to be able to build up decent skills, and others just give up. For most of them (more likely thousands than hundreds) it was a valuable personal experience, but their disapearence was no loss for the music world. (And the disapearance of countless top acts might also be no loss, though I would insist on maybe 5 of them to stay... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 11:03:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 159B13BF2D; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:03:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RO8sqpL5U0GZYfuM9p0sIjrTuHVdSOZhbBoU7kkpclMMr5U3adWhugJ0zQaH7zFUe1qRQXJxMBMy1AXkrWY9JurhziLI0eiQPextW9YMKb8OP5F7hGIJsvxo5cX9ib5Vt95GsaKV03RItn+EQBAmFhcwyhETHWCTgJoizPPQ6dk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45DC20E2.8060509@addcom.de> References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702161348j7cee61e6ga509b9134de58dea@mail.gmail.com> <45DC20E2.8060509@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:03:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:03:56 +0000 (UTC) On 21 feb 2007, at 11.37, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > For me the five where King Crimson, Genesis, Yes, Greenslade, Kraan... Nice to see Greenslade finally mentioned on this list ;-) I too liked their music in the seventies. Another band I liked at that time was Camel, but for my tastes they soon became too slick. Generally it was not easy to know what was going on back in those days because the only way to find out about new music was to buy records and quite often that was too expensive. Let this stand for Scandinavia though, I know US had excellent radio stations early on that played progressive music of all genres. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 11:21:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C69D3BF40; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pzgdya7rQe/aiaAjVTY8abb5F5NTvL3KkC39pgm+PzMiXn5ty1qkoxCA7+0d6ma14l3H2EqF4E5dJCjMbCaZF39BMJZU/sxigbetbuWpcMEHuK3LR5/xLFvEYtjEywYDVfOguKLjJu5u1rq6+0c7hRJI063cXEd7KKOCVgtGyCM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45D8C290.6010601@infinivert.com> References: <011d01c7530c$312b9040$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <498C1D5E-E79D-436F-8335-587BF44EC934@gmail.com> <45D86E4F.6080803@infinivert.com> <022001c75382$6458e5f0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D8B543.9070700@infinivert.com> <031201c753a0$7e591ab0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D8C290.6010601@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0C0D8ADF-078C-416C-BF27-D4C08A844D94@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Anyone using NI Guitar Rig 2? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:21:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi List, I had a chance to try out Guitar Rig 2 and found an annoying problem. If you assign a MIDI expression pedal to some parameter (like wha- wha, volume or delay feedback) some rig patches create a crackling noise when the MIDI CC data is streaming. Have other GR2 user noticed this? I'm not using the dedicated hardware pedal, Rig Kontrol 2, but I'm wondering if the noise artifact issue is active there too? Except for the above mentioned bug, GR2 sounds good to me. But it does color the sound in a certain way. I was listening to the online video where Dwezil Zappa demonstrates that "you can get any sound with GR2" and I could clearly hear that every sound he was demonstrating sounded as GR2 in the first place and only, secondly, reminded of certain well known rigs out there ;-) But I don't have a problem with the typical GR2 sound, it's not bad. I wouldn't mind though to have a lot more options for how to patch effects, but I guess they would loose sales "as being too complicated" if they should open it up for users to patch up effect chains in the same way you can do with a FireworX or an Eclipse. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 12:13:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CA393BF40; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:13:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <0C0D8ADF-078C-416C-BF27-D4C08A844D94@gmail.com> References: <011d01c7530c$312b9040$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <498C1D5E-E79D-436F-8335-587BF44EC934@gmail.com> <45D86E4F.6080803@infinivert.com> <022001c75382$6458e5f0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D8B543.9070700@infinivert.com> <031201c753a0$7e591ab0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D8C290.6010601@infinivert.com> <0C0D8ADF-078C-416C-BF27-D4C08A844D94@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: Anyone using tc fireworx in gtr rig? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:13:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:13:12 +0000 (UTC) there's a reasonably priced fireworx on ebay and it looks interesting. does anyone use this in a gtr based (non mixer) set up? does anyone know if the multitap delays have independent controls for panning, feedback, etc? thanks monk@fuse.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 12:15:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9683E3BF2F; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DC37F1.8010700@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:15:45 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <20070217230220.2080E38102@astra.telenet-ops.be> In-Reply-To: <20070217230220.2080E38102@astra.telenet-ops.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:15:49 +0000 (UTC) GORDIUS info wrote: > (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make it a > non-linear transition curve, I would believe you will get much better > results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, rather than > doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD > conversion). Thats exactly my finding regarding 7-bit Midi. My theory and knowledge would always argue, that higher bits are better and they are, but my major concern with Midi faders was, that they did not have enough resolution in the lower end, the point where it gets almost inaudible. By simply puting up a S-shaped curve to all my Midi faders, I have practically nothing to complain anymore... Sure 10-bit would be still nice, but I'd apply this curve always. And I could live better with 7-bit and that curve as with 10-bit and no curve... (And that statement adresses faders, which are much more precisely controlable than foot pedals...) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 13:05:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 660973BEDE; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:05:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dm" To: Subject: RE: show me yours and i'll show you mine... Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:05:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C7558F.006D8410" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:05:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C7558F.006D8410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's my setup. 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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C7558F.006D8410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 14:10:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BB0B3BF45; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:10:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <16346654.1172067015930.JavaMail.root@web23> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 6:10:15 -0800 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour Cc: Per Boysen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:10:17 +0000 (UTC) I liked Flash, Badger, Wishbone Ash, Genesis (goes without saying), Yes, Focus (I'm still buying Thijs Van Leer stuff), Peter Banks and Quicksilver Messenger Service! -- Paul ---- Per Boysen wrote: > On 21 feb 2007, at 11.37, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > > > For me the five where King Crimson, Genesis, Yes, Greenslade, Kraan... > > > Nice to see Greenslade finally mentioned on this list ;-) I too > liked their music in the seventies. Another band I liked at that time > was Camel, but for my tastes they soon became too slick. Generally it > was not easy to know what was going on back in those days because the > only way to find out about new music was to buy records and quite > often that was too expensive. Let this stand for Scandinavia though, > I know US had excellent radio stations early on that played > progressive music of all genres. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 14:31:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64D473BF24; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:31:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:31:17 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Anyone using tc fireworx in gtr rig? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:31:20 +0000 (UTC) monk@fuse.net wrote: > there's a reasonably priced fireworx on ebay and it looks > interesting. does anyone use this in a gtr based (non mixer) set up? > does anyone know if the multitap delays have independent controls for > panning, feedback, etc? I don't use a FireworX but I know it as midi learn feature you can use to= setup midi controllers for it's parameters. See user manual for more det= ails. http://www.tcelectronic.com/media/FireworX_US.pdf Sjaak=0A---=0AScarlet One Unlimited=0AFree national calls, surf up to 6 M= bit/s, 50 GB download volume=0AFor only EUR 49,95 per month. No Belgacom = subscription needed. All in!=0Ahttp://www.scarlet.be From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 14:32:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B58973BF2F; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: dEQK9k8VM1kASUOj0rW5vNNdj3APXQtCkWBdsomF_PsiOtWz9xPHzcuoxPpuTXwSPoAZkyIC.Mpodh5.hWkKdtE2JB4PNjmxgV6OrPGkAhfo4GOB6Tc08bWbx.0p2S7pLJgNfXJbdsNlyYY- Message-ID: <45DC580F.8020807@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:32:47 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] show me yours and i'll show you mine... References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <45DA34AE.5060207@rhein-zeitung.de> <00c001c75579$f5956180$0300a8c0@daw1> In-Reply-To: <00c001c75579$f5956180$0300a8c0@daw1> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070303070301020204030008" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:32:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070303070301020204030008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When you do, please let us know what you think of the vocoder. I've been watching that one come and go on eBay... Tony K wrote: >> I love those Alesis ModFX boxes! >> Does the digital row of !four! work without digital pops or crackling - >> I stopped using their digital interfaces because of that... >> > > I don't get any digital pops with them (and there are 5 in a row by the > way.) Though they can be a bit sensitive to being bumped. Fortunately, I > don't move them. I can imagine that they might crackle if you were using > your foot to turn them on and off since the switch is pretty small. I also > have the compressor and the vocoder, but haven't gotten into using them yet. > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dirk Wilbert [mailto:dwilbert@rhein-zeitung.de] > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:37 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: [LOOP] show me yours and i'll show you mine... > > I love those Alesis ModFX boxes! > Does the digital row of !four! work without digital pops or crackling - > I stopped using their digital interfaces because of that... > > Got to take some pictures... > > Dirk > > Tony K schrieb: > >>> Hi folks, what about posting pictures of your rig? there is probably >>> >> not one alike out there. Im >interested in what experiences people >> have, specially in operating in strereo /mono use of fx >before/after >> looper, regarding monitoring, use of microphones in a loop setup etc >> etc... use of >laptop/ software in this context >> >> Mine can be seen here... >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtonyk/sets/72157594303469033/ >> >> There's no pic of my latest addition - a VG-8. There are also some >> 'before the reorganization' pics in there too. >> >> I have issues with the sends not being in stereo since that's how I >> route my signal to the loopers, but I'm living with it. I might be >> able to reroute stuff so I can get the stereo signal that I want, but >> I haven't worked it all out yet. >> >> I don't use software loopers most of the time. I like physically >> clicking and twisting. All my effects are at desktop level, I don't >> have any loopers on the floor. I do have the VG and an RP2000 on the >> floor, but that's it. >> >> -- >> -==-=-=- >> Tony >> http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ >> > > --------------070303070301020204030008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1250 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit When you do, please let us know what you think of the vocoder.  I've been watching that one come and go on eBay...

Tony K wrote:
I love those Alesis ModFX boxes!
Does the digital row of !four! work without digital pops or crackling - 
I stopped using their digital interfaces because of that...
    

I don't get any digital pops with them (and there are 5 in a row by the
way.)  Though they can be a bit sensitive to being bumped.  Fortunately, I
don't move them.  I can imagine that they might crackle if you were using
your foot to turn them on and off since the switch is pretty small.  I also
have the compressor and the vocoder, but haven't gotten into using them yet.

Tony 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dirk Wilbert [mailto:dwilbert@rhein-zeitung.de] 
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:37 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: [LOOP] show me yours and i'll show you mine...

I love those Alesis ModFX boxes!
Does the digital row of !four! work without digital pops or crackling - 
I stopped using their digital interfaces because of that...

Got to take some pictures...

Dirk

Tony K schrieb:
  
Hi folks,  what about posting pictures of your rig? there is probably 
      
not one alike out there. Im >interested in what experiences people 
have, specially in operating in strereo /mono use of fx >before/after 
looper,  regarding monitoring, use of microphones in a loop setup etc 
etc... use of >laptop/ software in this context

Mine can be seen here...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtonyk/sets/72157594303469033/

There's no pic of my latest addition - a VG-8.  There are also some 
'before the reorganization' pics in there too.

I have issues with the sends not being in stereo since that's how I 
route my signal to the loopers, but I'm living with it.  I might be 
able to reroute stuff so I can get the stereo signal that I want, but 
I haven't worked it all out yet.

I don't use software loopers most of the time.  I like physically 
clicking and twisting.  All my effects are at desktop level, I don't 
have any loopers on the floor.  I do have the VG and an RP2000 on the 
floor, but that's it. 

-- 
-==-=-=-
Tony
http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ 
    

  
--------------070303070301020204030008-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 15:15:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F37D03BF1E; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DC61FB.3060009@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:15:07 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping in the dark References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20070219171752.028aa438@sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070219171752.028aa438@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Chris Smart wrote: > I'd ask on list if there is anybody else here who can run their gear > without looking at it. :) Come on, test yourself. I won't be able to setup without looking on the screen, but as soon its running, I don't need to look (though I do look and for complete invisible control I'd probably need to tweek the UI even more...). All is controled by hand on several fader boxes (no footpedal yet, I once did use a dancemat, but that was too unreliable...) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From security@bankofamerica.com Wed Feb 21 15:45:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3742 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:45:30 UTC Received: from iqmail.mcny.edu (ip66-104-214-165.z214-104-66.customer.algx.net [66.104.214.165]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE083BF24; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User [66.137.204.115] by iqmail.mcny.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A6780A98; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:01:12 -0500 From: "Bank Of America" Subject: Security: Online banking account has been blocked. Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:00:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <200702210601406.SM01732@User> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Bank of America Account Review Department !
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 15:58:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEB9B3BF47; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:58:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=saGEcJE/K+pbqn/5vFS6gje+0i/OmiI77bMm9DiUz2advo8afIDqf+ttwW/OZXLjWslsyKKw9bJuvh3zWxNxM40TpsgC1z/D07NlN/ZeOtNTfGj4YkoGaYrlEh3TSTqS4ecyXpoKOVgeYlKLDSmvwaiDPbnPPvT6F4Nt3mok1vU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=oR09b2hKAJLhzD5ZNfGzY6HzaR5iX6u7ycVHaaEd+MLM87FvRIgXVZ2X3EPDkykyvXbIzAa+TCU+1FH8wHuCsa6Efmen0WhEpqnKme18FVVgZReLi7Od9fLghzkpzBcaBdCWPBdmXSGw7M+lNGNN9QWAKpJWzgXeP0lHaso6U0Y= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <011d01c7530c$312b9040$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <498C1D5E-E79D-436F-8335-587BF44EC934@gmail.com> <45D86E4F.6080803@infinivert.com> <022001c75382$6458e5f0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D8B543.9070700@infinivert.com> <031201c753a0$7e591ab0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D8C290.6010601@infinivert.com> <0C0D8ADF-078C-416C-BF27-D4C08A844D94@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Anyone using tc fireworx in gtr rig? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:58:14 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:58:18 +0000 (UTC) On 21 feb 2007, at 13.13, monk wrote: > there's a reasonably priced fireworx on ebay and it looks > interesting. does anyone use this in a gtr based (non mixer) set up? Yes, I do. > does anyone know if the multitap delays have independent controls > for panning, feedback, etc? Yes, they have. They can also be assigned to independent MIDI CC#, LFO or the built-in step sequencer. The FireworX is a box where almost anything can modulate anything. Pleas get back to me if you have more specific questions. I could just fire up my FireworX here and check it out for you. I also bought mine on a good price at a blow out and I'm totally happy with it. I use it as the AD converter, meaning I play my instrument into the FireworX (el. guitar + wind instr. acoustic mic instantly connected to the two inputs) and then I patch a digital adat optical cable to the laptop's optical input. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 16:12:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C83783BF44; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qI7qPW1NRimj5EY7zpBVfrT4Bw/OslsC/3O85lYN0dOycR0T+jnqJTZwruqAMAF/NsNEoFy86Ai+Ym4QlR25S8RQef2o/1wthw9fTdce5fQAEI6K+8UTqV0r7HJOxA5hwsDdEzb8JLHBMaws/RFcNmuQT6UvKRSNxdwJiRY28iM= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:12:01 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour In-Reply-To: <16346654.1172067015930.JavaMail.root@web23> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8550_14757889.1172074321439" References: <16346654.1172067015930.JavaMail.root@web23> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:12:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8550_14757889.1172074321439 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline My fabulous five were Rush, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, ELP, and Kansas. I'd throw Yes in there too, but then it would be six. :) A bunch of those 'dinosaur' bands are still touring. In the last 5 years or so, I've seen Blue Oyster Cult, UFO, Michael Schenker, King Crimson, Kansas, Keith Emerson, Camel, Rush, Yes, Dixie Dregs (though they were never 'popular'.), Paul Rodgers (Bad Co), Molly Hatchett, and Lynyrd Skynyrd. Wishbone Ash just did a few shows, Steve Hackett tours, Deep Purple is still around. I find that the music that's on the radio is just ok (not the top 40, but what used to be considered AOR stations) but there is still a huge amount of great music being made. it's just not in the mainstream. Tony On 2/21/07, Paul Richards wrote: > > I liked Flash, Badger, Wishbone Ash, Genesis (goes without saying), Yes, > Focus (I'm still buying Thijs Van Leer stuff), Peter Banks and Quicksilver > Messenger Service! > > -- > Paul > > ---- Per Boysen wrote: > > On 21 feb 2007, at 11.37, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > > > > > For me the five where King Crimson, Genesis, Yes, Greenslade, Kraan... > > > > > > Nice to see Greenslade finally mentioned on this list ;-) I too > > liked their music in the seventies. Another band I liked at that time > > was Camel, but for my tastes they soon became too slick. Generally it > > was not easy to know what was going on back in those days because the > > only way to find out about new music was to buy records and quite > > often that was too expensive. Let this stand for Scandinavia though, > > I know US had excellent radio stations early on that played > > progressive music of all genres. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > > > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ ------=_Part_8550_14757889.1172074321439 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline My fabulous five were Rush, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, ELP, and Kansas.  I'd throw Yes in there too, but then it would be six. :)

A bunch of those 'dinosaur' bands are still touring.  In the last 5 years or so, I've seen Blue Oyster Cult, UFO, Michael Schenker, King Crimson, Kansas, Keith Emerson, Camel, Rush, Yes, Dixie Dregs (though they were never 'popular'.), Paul Rodgers (Bad Co), Molly Hatchett, and Lynyrd Skynyrd.

Wishbone Ash just did a few shows, Steve Hackett tours, Deep Purple is still around. 

I find that the music that's on the radio is just ok (not the top 40, but what used to be considered AOR stations) but there is still a huge amount of great music being made.  it's just not in the mainstream.

Tony

On 2/21/07, Paul Richards <paulrichard10@adelphia.net> wrote:
I liked Flash, Badger, Wishbone Ash, Genesis (goes without saying), Yes, Focus (I'm still buying Thijs Van Leer stuff), Peter Banks and Quicksilver Messenger Service!

--
Paul

---- Per Boysen < perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 21 feb 2007, at 11.37, Stefan Tiedje wrote:
>
> > For me the five where King Crimson, Genesis, Yes, Greenslade, Kraan...
>
>
> Nice to see Greenslade finally mentioned on this list ;-)  I too
> liked their music in the seventies. Another band I liked at that time
> was Camel, but for my tastes they soon became too slick. Generally it
> was not easy to know what was going on back in those days because the
> only way to find out about new music was to buy records and quite
> often that was too expensive. Let this stand for Scandinavia though,
> I know US had excellent radio stations early on that played
> progressive music of all genres.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release)
>
>




--
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Tony
http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ ------=_Part_8550_14757889.1172074321439-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 16:30:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7C3F3BF45; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:30:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:23:48 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Cheap Drum Machine Followup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004401c755d5$a42f3260$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <168458.16323.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:30:25 +0000 (UTC) Quick followup on this post: > > Yesterday I bought the Alesis/Ion drum pad-drum > > machine set at Costco for > > $200. I've heard that the pad-to-MIDI interface is > > glitchy, but I figure I'm > > getting the drum machine for $150, plus some pads > > and a glitchy interface > > for $50. ...so I set up the system, and within a few hours I decided to return it. * The dynamic response is poor. On both the drum pads and the machine's pads, there are only 3-4 levels of volume. * The machine has only MIDI out - no MIDI in or MIDI thru. * The range of pitch tuning for the drums is very small. I didn't experience any serious pad glitching, as some have reported, but I was so underwhelmed that I hardly played it enough to know. I'm putting the $200 towards the Boss DR-880. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 16:53:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC5D33BF46; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JSNf8/+rfRWs5UO1pzJvAbv2LrLEsEmWMwuvO+hsfTefrnufUy68O+scIJGZPk2/7n69AuJQWfIT8hF8ZuvYh9l08XUoQ6TEm7yZZe45KOg9y3fGU8ewamIcV9BW7esZSmDg+j/putIi9rajB68OxMhNT+aYvbvYY8W4E4GjXzw= ; Message-ID: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: RSaPu3UVM1lSD9KlpMKuYpXQ7O09kND6_v1ghOje9mxfcAgUUX7pAR4DGo6Dm2iwSF5vMZERaDmOrcWGgKqU799BpkEmzGopE7V5D.Cfo9JFrkXBkkxGPAMSYVuQQ.N5AL0.1Pwx5erDZ6k- Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:53:52 -0800 (PST) From: margaret noble Subject: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00c001c75579$f5956180$0300a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:53:54 +0000 (UTC) hello list, first let me say that i am no music theory expert. sometimes i obsess about this because i think my compositions may sound ignorant due to my shortcomings. but, other times when i listen to say, other cultural music like music from bali or thailand...i hear beauty that i love and i know the scales are not adhearing to western thought. also, with electronic music and sound art, it seems to me that no key in necessary and that this is actually desirable and standard. but, then i wonder if that is how it is for all audiences and players? does it bother you to hear things that are not in key according to western standards? if so, why? thanks for your input, love to hear your thoughts! Margaret Noble Audio Artist http://www.myspace.com/margaretnoble ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 16:57:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3FD03BF49; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0qVbyFKyQwghTzVO3Jbn/F0bem/pxNCqCxM2QY6HGlA0iSEx4koknNo5q/8VwaA6dfcHSJACDJc2XqCGVCxfLhp7CUF0mh42/rKzOaWdyLbDBb2ckXoZssn4Yw15nvwhr4KiiS7CvFKWwQJj0vMbyIzQu4LD/GLZHvLJKe+QyNI=; X-YMail-OSG: xaYaJRkVM1mBRoFmLbPowrgwpIgPY0xKmRN2QPFBNicqJv3d_zdKeuooxJkzxdbwPgQcd5kAUqbeDWhhjTGgEc3j06jk6Qn6cdKC_9mo1jd_Qrm6z_HVhGtVdGSIxkHOshKdEowdKFOTX3Q- Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:57:51 -0800 (PST) From: margaret noble Subject: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellent composition? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00c001c75579$f5956180$0300a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <311819.806.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:57:52 +0000 (UTC) hello list, this is yet another post about a research topic that i am dying to know more about. of course, i can read books by famous composers but i want to hear from practicing composers about what they think makes a great composition? what is a great composition to you? particular structures? rise/build and climax? elements of surprise? predictability? tonal structures? rhythmic structures? depth and reverb? frequency distribution? quality of sound? what else? Margaret Noble Audio Artist http://www.myspace.com/margaretnoble ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 17:25:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6B1A3BF4A; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:25:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1172077856.45dc7d2014846@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:10:56 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Stefan Tiedje Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <20070217230220.2080E38102@astra.telenet-ops.be> <45DC37F1.8010700@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <45DC37F1.8010700@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:25:03 +0000 (UTC) One solution to this is to map the Pitch Wheel command (0xE0-0xEF) to volume.. the Pitch Wheel command is 14bits, 0-16383.. no new hardware needed.. of course there are only 16 of these per channel, but one should be able to work with that as well.. And, as well, the receiving device has to be able to work with this as well, so your milage may vary.. My reworking of the MIDI support in the LP1 supports this.. just tossing out ideas.. :) peace -cpr Quoting Stefan Tiedje : > GORDIUS info wrote: > > (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make it a > > non-linear transition curve, I would believe you will get much better > > results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, rather than > > doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD > > conversion). > > Thats exactly my finding regarding 7-bit Midi. My theory and knowledge > would always argue, that higher bits are better and they are, but my > major concern with Midi faders was, that they did not have enough > resolution in the lower end, the point where it gets almost inaudible. > By simply puting up a S-shaped curve to all my Midi faders, I have > practically nothing to complain anymore... > Sure 10-bit would be still nice, but I'd apply this curve always. > And I could live better with 7-bit and that curve as with 10-bit and no > curve... (And that statement adresses faders, which are much more > precisely controlable than foot pedals...) > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 17:36:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6506B3BF5C; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:36:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1172079288.45dc82b8566f6@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:34:48 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <20070217230220.2080E38102@astra.telenet-ops.be> <45DC37F1.8010700@addcom.de> <1172077856.45dc7d2014846@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: <1172077856.45dc7d2014846@webmail.musetrap.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:36:10 +0000 (UTC) I made a mistake in saying there are '16 of these per channel'... What I meant to say was there was '1 of these per channel, and 16 channels per cable (or device)'... and, as well, one needs a device capable of sending this command... :) peace -cpr Quoting cpr@musetrap.com: > One solution to this is to map the Pitch Wheel command (0xE0-0xEF) to > volume.. > the Pitch Wheel command is 14bits, 0-16383.. no new hardware needed.. of > course > there are only 16 of these per channel, but one should be able to work with > that as well.. And, as well, the receiving device has to be able to work > with > this as well, so your milage may vary.. My reworking of the MIDI support in > the > LP1 supports this.. > > just tossing out ideas.. :) > > peace > -cpr > > Quoting Stefan Tiedje : > > > GORDIUS info wrote: > > > (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make it a > > > non-linear transition curve, I would believe you will get much better > > > results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, rather > than > > > doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD > > > conversion). > > > > Thats exactly my finding regarding 7-bit Midi. My theory and knowledge > > would always argue, that higher bits are better and they are, but my > > major concern with Midi faders was, that they did not have enough > > resolution in the lower end, the point where it gets almost inaudible. > > By simply puting up a S-shaped curve to all my Midi faders, I have > > practically nothing to complain anymore... > > Sure 10-bit would be still nice, but I'd apply this curve always. > > And I could live better with 7-bit and that curve as with 10-bit and no > > curve... (And that statement adresses faders, which are much more > > precisely controlable than foot pedals...) > > > > Stefan > > > > -- > > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > > --_____-----------|-------------- > > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 17:38:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45F8A3BF61; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DC837A.6030904@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:38:02 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:38:10 +0000 (UTC) I find for myself that it depends on personal context. If someone's slightly out of tune in a jazz combo, it drives me nuts. A singer for an indie rock band who's a little weak on pitch, it's annoying but not quite so bad. In something like Tuvan singing, or solo mbira, or gamelan as you mention, I don't even think about the fact that it's often out of tune compared to an equal-tuned piano. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > first let me say that i am no music theory expert. > sometimes i obsess about this because i think my > compositions may sound ignorant due to my > shortcomings. but, other times when i listen to say, > other cultural music like music from bali or > thailand...i hear beauty that i love and i know the > scales are not adhearing to western thought. also, > with electronic music and sound art, it seems to me > that no key in necessary and that this is actually > desirable and standard. but, then i wonder if that is > how it is for all audiences and players? > > does it bother you to hear things that are not in key > according to western standards? if so, why? > > thanks for your input, love to hear your thoughts! > > Margaret Noble > Audio Artist > http://www.myspace.com/margaretnoble From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 17:49:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B4E03BF58; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:48:59 +0000 Message-Id: <022120071748.4272.45DC860A000E6968000010B02206824693CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: <1KYKq.A.gLG.QYI3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi Margaret, To me, anyway, and speaking just as a listener, it matters not at all. There isn't any intrinsic or inherent value to forcing music being in a set scale or key or imposing any structure at all, really. The significant thing is the effect that the music produces in the hearer, which does not of neccesity depend on any structure imposed on the music. Sonic textures alone can achieve it without any structure at all. Of course, the structure may be part of what produces a given emotional effect, but it's not strictly neccesary. There's no reason that music can't be completely amorphous if it achieves what you want. Regards, Chris > does it bother you to hear things that are not in key > according to western standards? if so, why? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 17:53:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 461DF3BF64; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DC870A.6030705@biink.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:53:14 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? References: <022120071748.4272.45DC860A000E6968000010B02206824693CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <022120071748.4272.45DC860A000E6968000010B02206824693CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:53:14 +0000 (UTC) I prefer just intonation. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 17:58:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 845043BF65; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:58:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WJkuS6wCfve6KNzV74hno9RModrx4OOwIk0uXV//B14xSZfzeQYYMa1Rc+7Y1e2XFV2j+j9guCSEM7VGNgo5g9FGEh/kfhACa/XLmN4IaCfJjmmThDnvI+XbVaHzVQSOGFnhTZTQ8ggVFpVvit/p8rHzZKKPqr3TEMszG//JZ54= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=e0YnmmLsFhIM4fuR/+OxpG2kjZlgwu1Zr7ma2l7XZxuV440Vw71NnriTATvpx+uKQyQUT95J9nd0E4hZqGWJlhUVTA8iwgKx/8g9Obm5ohmfVlJfRkbERHyQwU+ZXZbwskL7dSDp7oS9gYV4jrZThBs+G5643KJ/6nl/lFQUazw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <311819.806.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <311819.806.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6A50B8ED-1DCA-4E50-9A6E-E4F7D357C66E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellent composition? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:57:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:58:03 +0000 (UTC) On 21 feb 2007, at 17.57, margaret noble wrote: > what they think makes a > great composition? > what is a great composition to you? > particular structures? > rise/build and climax? > elements of surprise? > predictability? > tonal structures? > rhythmic structures? > depth and reverb? > frequency distribution? > quality of sound? > what else? Yes, something like that. No, wait! No I know - there's another component that is much more important than the above mentioned. It's that the music should be about something. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 17:58:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43E8F3BF6E; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=B2ijogOLdss0IAnJeF3odTExlhVlbBeI769TX4aOP5wfKetEdfc1lJ01hjEobUF0s0wy8KqY/M16ghTblAnzXE1Vk4tZwrIyDkeUxpl4qSEQrBsCQeOd3PKKk+5oDGT5jllFUx0pAIG5UonpAv5n0n2Pxbt08i99illoAIHHRqY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MOnSMvKBE0PB2Xd6b5zyYR/5rZ5DaZvfC3Ncn1CjeM0qfMvu1hEkO4NdSZuNKdGqVmDA8ISMiZmW8ADvJeXrxg5UKBoPVAXhqpF6icJUdbD3kguKovd1dSL3QrsTU80Hdd4M4yxqj82jVcQA6NwDvLj9Fb2bIsLzmzhyuzFSWL8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <15889314-0565-42B5-8A05-DACFAAE7BC34@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:58:00 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:58:07 +0000 (UTC) On 21 feb 2007, at 17.53, margaret noble wrote: > does it bother you to hear things that are not in key > according to western standards? if so, why? If it's good I like it. Yesterday I enjoyed the Electric Ladder album by Robert Rich. He does everything in juste intonation. I also like very much to play any electronic sounds in a certain chinese fixed Lu scale from by Huai Nan Zi, Han era. I don't know the technical or mathematical specifications of that tuning but first time I heard it I recognized the same interval pitches I always go for by my own taste. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 18:02:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B5143BF67; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070221120230.81vcfjkwg80g0ksc@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:02:30 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellent composition? References: <311819.806.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <311819.806.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Quoting margaret noble : > what is a great composition to you? To me, I enjoy works that appeal on all levels: physical, =20 intellectual, and spritual. I find that when I return to great =20 compositions, I can always find new things in them that I didn't catch =20 before. > particular structures? Most great works exhibit some unifying element. It could be a motiv, =20 a theme, or perhaps just a rhythmic motiv. Music without some kind =20 of unifying elements tends to become amorphous and, well... to me just =20 kind of boring. > rise/build and climax? Sometimes. Some great minimalist work achieves almost hypnotic =20 effects and dramatic climaxes would be counter to the style. The =20 "climax" idea is a romantic notion and suggests music that is dramatic =20 and emotional. There are great works that are quite dramatic and =20 others that are understated. > elements of surprise? I don't think surprise is very important. After all, the surprise =20 only occurs on the first hearing. On subsequent listenings, it is no =20 longer a surprise. Bruno Walter, when writing about the music of =20 Mahler, said that the true test of art is that "after the newness and =20 novelty wears off is there underlying beauty?" > predictability? Great comedians have written that, when delivering a routine, you =20 don't want every line to get a laugh. I suppose the same holds for =20 music -- every bar does NOT have to contain a something new. When the =20 key, rhythm, motivs, etc... are completely unpredictable, the result =20 becomes raucous at first and then just boring. Unpredictability is like "spice" -- a little here and there gives =20 interest. Too much and the meal becomes unpalletable. > tonal structures? > rhythmic structures? > depth and reverb? > frequency distribution? I don't know if any of these qualities are indicators of greatness =20 when it comes to compositions. > quality of sound? Many a great musician has "rocked the house" with crummy equipment but =20 most of us would prefer to play in optimal conditions. A great sound system doesn't assure great music however great music =20 will better reach its potential with a great sound system. > what else? Margaret, I wish I knew what makes a great composition. If I did, I'd =20 be writing them! The best that I can do, as a composer, is to be true to myself and not =20 try to be someone who I am not. I attempt to write music that will =20 give moments of entertainment and inspiration to listeners. I have found that if I tell myself, "Today I am going to write a GREAT =20 composition that will be A BIG ARTISTIC STATEMENT... that I completely =20 shut down!" Nothing I write measures up to the grand cosmic statement =20 I wish to make. Thus, I just compose stuff and don't worry about greatness. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 18:05:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D20F23BF60; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DC89DA.3040003@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:05:14 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellent composition? References: <311819.806.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <311819.806.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-KOazD.A.jjH.gnI3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:05:20 +0000 (UTC) My first reaction is that I value rise and build, a sense of growing a climax. But this second I'm listening to Philip Glass's extremely repetitive "music in fifths", which has no dynamic variation, no climax to speak of, and no structural build other than the accruing effect of repetition. And I love it, as much as I love, say, Bach's "Chaconne", which is full of climaxes and dynamics and shifts and all of that stuff. I'd venture to say that, much as in a human face, the pleasing aspects of a composition are due to a balance particular to that one entity. If the structure makes its own sense, anything can work. I do find that the golden rectangle is a construct that pops up again and again, particularly in pop songs. The climax, bridge, solo, whatever is nearly always at that magical point. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > hello list, > > this is yet another post about a research topic that i > am dying to know more about. of course, i can read > books by famous composers but i want to hear from > practicing composers about what they think makes a > great composition? > > what is a great composition to you? > > particular structures? > > rise/build and climax? > > elements of surprise? > > predictability? > > tonal structures? > > rhythmic structures? > > depth and reverb? > > frequency distribution? > > quality of sound? > > what else? > > Margaret Noble > Audio Artist > http://www.myspace.com/margaretnoble From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 18:09:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 295F93BF6B; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:09:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070221120953.44o3i2316340wcwg@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:09:53 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:09:56 +0000 (UTC) Quoting margaret noble : > does it bother you to hear things that are not in key > according to western standards? if so, why? No! Doesn't bother me a bit. Non-tempered tunings, while usually not as flexible when it comes to modulation and complex harmonies, none-the-less yield results of intense beauty. Some great music that explores harmony and unequal temperament has been written -- Wendy Carlos' "Beauty in the Beast" comes to mind. Great question! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 18:12:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2AFD3BF6C; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02aa01c755e3$ccbf3a50$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <022120071748.4272.45DC860A000E6968000010B02206824693CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellent composition? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:12:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2007 18:12:08.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCF27F50:01C755E3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Christophe wrote: > To me, anyway, and speaking just as a listener, it matters not at all. > There isn't any intrinsic or inherent value to forcing music being in a > set scale or key or imposing any structure at all, really. The > significant thing is the effect that the music produces in the hearer, > which does not of neccesity depend on any structure imposed on the music. I'm agree with this concept. Luciano Berio said that "Music is all that what i hear with the intention to hear music" That said, i personally find that climax is the best factor. About this topic, if interested i can suggest "Style and Idea" by Schoenberg http://www.amazon.com/Style-Idea-Selected-Arnold-Schoenberg/dp/0520052943 Greetings Fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ http://www.myspace.com/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 18:30:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24ED23BF2D; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:30:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02f201c755e6$55e5c8b0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <04f601c74fde$1ca11040$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: ARTIST SUBMISSION Y2K7 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL, Santa Cruz, California OCT 19-21, 2007 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:30:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2007 18:30:18.0098 (UTC) FILETIME=[563C4D20:01C755E6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:30:22 +0000 (UTC) Consider me in, Rick. Soon, i'll send you the requested submission package Ciao Fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Cc: "Y2K6 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL" ; "PURPLEHAND" ; "RICK WALKER" Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:16 AM Subject: ARTIST SUBMISSION Y2K7 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL, Santa Cruz, California OCT 19-21, 2007 > This is the official call for submissions of artists who wish to perform > at the > Y2K7 International Live Looping Festival to be held > October 19-21st, 2007 in Santa Cruz, California. > > Applications for the festival will be closed April 15th > except for foreign artists who's applications I'll take on a > case by case basis. > > and I will publish the Performance Roster by May 15th so that > out of town artists have time to make plans for transportation. > At that time, I'll include an alternates list. Frequently we will have > cancellations > as late as the actual weekend of the gig so you should let me know > how late you can decide to play the festival if such an cancellation > occurs. > > If you are interested in performing this year please read the following > requirements for submission to perform. > > yours, most sincerely and respectfully, > Rick Walker > > > *********************************************************************************** > > > APPLICATION to PERFORM at the Y2K7 Live Looping FESTIVAL > > Dearest applicants for performance at the Y2K7 International Live > Looping Festival. > Thank you so much for applying to perform on October 19-21, 2007 in Santa > Cruz. > > Due to the very large number of applicants for this festival and limited > performance spaces, > we have decided that all performers will go through the same process of > applying for performance > from now on. > > The festival took over 4 1/2 months of my life last year and I realized > that in order to keep having the energy > to making it such a wonderful festival that I was going to have to make > the whole process more professional, > streamlined and , hence, more standardized. I'm a casual guy so this > makes me a little sad but we have, thankfully, gotten big enough that it's > time to start acting like a world class music festival. > > I know so many of you, so this may seem a little over the top but in this > way, I can determine > who will play, where to put them (stylistically) to make the show good > and also to insure, in one fell swoop, > that I have recordings, publishable .jpeg photographs and short > publishable bios of every artist. > > IF you'd like to perform please send the following information to me via > the snail mail. I regret that, > though convenient for the artists, I do not have time to go to websites > or myspace pages to read or > listen to mp3s. There are just too many performers vying for spots on the > festival and I want to have some > kind of a personal and artistic life during the ensuing months. > > Please send the following submission package to > > Y2K7 SUBMISSION > 412 Darwin Street > Santa Cruz, California, USA > 95062-2629 > > It needs to contain: > > 1) CD or CDR of representative material. Remember that this is a live > looping festival so artist who rely primarily on triggering premade loops > in programs like Ableton's Live , Acid or Garage Band should not apply. > Please no MP3s.........I just don't have the ability to play them and most > of my perusal occurs in my car driving to gigs. > > 2) A second and separate CD with .JPEG digital photographs (suitable for > printing in a newspaper or magazine) of your act > > 3) include a very short and pithy musical biography and description of > your life act on the same CD. > > Please make the music CD and the photo/bio CD be separate. > > 4) reproduce the following rules of performance and please sign it just > so I know that everyone is on the same page about making the whole thing > work. It' s a logistical nightmare and only works if everyone works > for the whole team of artists. > > > reproduce and sign the following: > ******************************************************************************************************************************* > > Y2K7 RULES of PERFORMANCE: > > Performances all occur on two adjacent stages. 50 artists perform > continuously for a 24 hour period > over two days. There are no breaks between acts so the music is > continuous. > > Because the stages adjoin in view of the audience members, set up and > break down can be very distracting > to the audience so it is imperative that loading Artists be as sensitive > as possible not to draw focus > from who is performing. > > Artists have 20 minute maximum completely silent load in (Line checks can > be accomplished with > supplied headphones, also silently) > Artists have 30 minute maximum performance > Artists have 10 minutes maximum complete silent evacuation of the stage > > Importantly: > > 1) Artists who take longer to load have time cut off of their performances > > 2) Artist who perform to long or take too long to evacuate the stage at > the end of their sets result in the next act having time shaved off their > set. > > > ARTIST COMPENSATION: > > We run in the red every year (out of my pocket always) and there is no > compensation for the artists, unfortunately, consequently. > > Over time, I am researching new ways to get granting and to get subsidies > from music companies. These > invariably will be offered, first, to the artists who travel from out of > the country to come perform. > > > GUEST and COMP LISTS: > > We charge at the door and don't allow guests at all because the venue is > usually too small and we wouldn't be able to do the festival at all if we > let everyone in for free that the artists bring. > > I have read the above rules of performance and agree to them. > > > signed ____________________________________ > > _______________________________________________________________________________________ > *********************************************************************************************************************************** > > It pains me horribly to state those last rules but they are the only way > that we can continue doing the festival. > > Having these draconian rules is necessary to pull off the unbelievable > feat of having so many artists play > without running over time (which is illegal in the City and makes us > liable to be cancelled) > > I try as hard a possible to make this thing bigger and better every year > but we are a very new art form > and the whole thing is a gigantic (and wonderfully creative and fun) labor > of love on everyone's part. > > Thank you very much for showing interest in this wonderful festival. > We'll be blessed to have you come play. > > with the deepest respect for everyone's artistry who applies for this > festival > > Rick Walker > founder > Y2K International Live Looping Festivals > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/686 - Release Date: > 14/02/2007 7.54 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 18:33:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC9033BF4D; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <54009.167.83.10.20.1172082806.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:33:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Hello Margaret, Doesn't really bother me at all. I think what happens with alternate structures is that is messes with anticipatory pathways in the brain--you expect it to go one way and BAM! it goes another....If you allow yourself to accept the variations it's not as annoying and if you can get into the variations, it becomes beautiful.... I tend towards certain scale structures as well by default, but like others and try to get to the beauty aspect... ~peace~ Plish www.michaelplishka.com www.myspace.com/michaelplishka www.myspace.com/bohdanovich > hello list, > > first let me say that i am no music theory expert. > sometimes i obsess about this because i think my > compositions may sound ignorant due to my > shortcomings. but, other times when i listen to say, > other cultural music like music from bali or > thailand...i hear beauty that i love and i know the > scales are not adhearing to western thought. also, > with electronic music and sound art, it seems to me > that no key in necessary and that this is actually > desirable and standard. but, then i wonder if that is > how it is for all audiences and players? > > does it bother you to hear things that are not in key > according to western standards? if so, why? > > thanks for your input, love to hear your thoughts! > > Margaret Noble > Audio Artist > http://www.myspace.com/margaretnoble > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Cheap talk? > Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > http://voice.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 18:41:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D072E3BF52; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:41:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070221124149.bq147uh40ggso04o@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:41:49 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Daryl Shawn Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellent composition? References: <311819.806.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45DC89DA.3040003@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <45DC89DA.3040003@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:41:51 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Daryl Shawn : > I do find that the golden rectangle is a construct that pops up again > and again, particularly in pop songs. The climax, bridge, solo, > whatever is nearly always at that magical point. Excellent point! To utilize the golden rectangle helps to assure a sense of proportion to the music and generally results in a pleasing "ebb and flow" over the course of the work. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 18:53:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABFC43BF59; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DCA378.8040407@imt.net> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:54:32 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper... References: <20070217230220.2080E38102@astra.telenet-ops.be> <45DC37F1.8010700@addcom.de> <1172077856.45dc7d2014846@webmail.musetrap.com> <1172079288.45dc82b8566f6@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: <1172079288.45dc82b8566f6@webmail.musetrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:53:46 +0000 (UTC) hehe. yeah that would be 16/port. Lots of people like myself run up to 8 ports. Hey Bob A. finally got back today and confirmed my fear that he hadn't designed with any option to get more outs. So one of the thoughts coming to mind is to even design an expandable unit with a motherboard with maybe a dozen slots. ANd each slot capable of carrying a card that has the jacks built onto it and it's own dsp engine with common clocking on the mainboard.. Maybe a two rack space unit instead of one. -Bob cpr@musetrap.com wrote: >I made a mistake in saying there are '16 of these per channel'... What I meant >to say was there was '1 of these per channel, and 16 channels per cable (or >device)'... > >and, as well, one needs a device capable of sending this command... :) > >peace >-cpr > >Quoting cpr@musetrap.com: > > > >>One solution to this is to map the Pitch Wheel command (0xE0-0xEF) to >>volume.. >>the Pitch Wheel command is 14bits, 0-16383.. no new hardware needed.. of >>course >>there are only 16 of these per channel, but one should be able to work with >>that as well.. And, as well, the receiving device has to be able to work >>with >>this as well, so your milage may vary.. My reworking of the MIDI support in >>the >>LP1 supports this.. >> >>just tossing out ideas.. :) >> >>peace >>-cpr >> >>Quoting Stefan Tiedje : >> >> >> >>>GORDIUS info wrote: >>> >>> >>>>(if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make it a >>>>non-linear transition curve, I would believe you will get much better >>>>results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, rather >>>> >>>> >>than >> >> >>>>doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD >>>>conversion). >>>> >>>> >>>Thats exactly my finding regarding 7-bit Midi. My theory and knowledge >>>would always argue, that higher bits are better and they are, but my >>>major concern with Midi faders was, that they did not have enough >>>resolution in the lower end, the point where it gets almost inaudible. >>>By simply puting up a S-shaped curve to all my Midi faders, I have >>>practically nothing to complain anymore... >>>Sure 10-bit would be still nice, but I'd apply this curve always. >>>And I could live better with 7-bit and that curve as with 10-bit and no >>>curve... (And that statement adresses faders, which are much more >>>precisely controlable than foot pedals...) >>> >>>Stefan >>> >>>-- >>>Stefan Tiedje------------x------- >>>--_____-----------|-------------- >>>--(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- >>>-- _|_)----|-----()-------------- >>>----------()--------www.ccmix.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. >> >> >> >> > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 19:04:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAE043BF44; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <311819.806.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <311819.806.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-503932906 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellent composition? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:04:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <6bdNkB.A.0ND.8eJ3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:04:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-503932906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed You might hate this because it sounds so simple but.... whatever feels =20= good. Whatever sounds good. (I sometimes think only music professors =20= care about the rest.) And then, to make it stick, it helps if it's real - as in a real =20 emotion connected to real life in some way. But sticking isn't always =20= important. It just has to sound good. But you have a wider appeal if =20= it sticks because then people tell their friends and your music becomes =20= viral and then you can quit your job at Wendy's... or all the =20 variations of Wendy's. (Not all jobs fall into the Wendy's category, =20 btw.) Innovation is nice when it sounds good. Dissonance is nice when it =20 sounds good. Innovation and dissonance suck when they don't sound =20 good. Odd, innovation and dissonance can become rules in themselves. =20= Hence, some of the new 'avant guard' (sp?) music that sounds just like =20= the stuff from100 years ago. So, rules are for when you don't know what to do. It's good to know the rules, like Picasso or Michaelangelo or Mozart or =20= Coltrane or Charles Ives... but then it's good to throw them at the =20 wall when they get in the way. I tend to like the music of folks who =20= know the rules - from folk art skank delta blues rules to Bach - and =20 then walk over them. A good rule I try to use is, where does the music get boring? And it's =20= like someone once told me about real estate - find the weak point and =20= make that the strongest. But then there's Brian Eno who's found =20 stickiness in repetition and what could be considered boredom. So that =20= rule can be pitched too. That's just my personal rule that I feel =20 uncomfortable pitching. I'm an old man and fairly traditional. For that reason, I should probably pitch it. But sometimes I catch =20 myself snoring when listening to long dramatic intros and five minute =20= build ups. Again, it's so simple - it just has to SOUND good. I personally love a good melody. A good melody with innovative chords =20= moving under, innovative voicings, is my holy grail. Great music is like great sex... and I won't go into the details here. =20= But it's a good model for music creation. It's so important to always remember the difference between art and =20 artifice. That's one of my Maha Mantras. Along with the boredom =20 thing. It keeps me spelunking. But really, just like the rest of life, the only thing that counts is =20= love (in this case, of the art). If it's there the world will beat a =20= path to your door... at least eventually! It might be after you've =20 become compost, but you gotta keep the faith in the love. If it's not =20= there, job one is to find it! Self knowledge is a great flashlight! Thanks for asking, richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Feb-07, at 8:57 AM, margaret noble wrote: > hello list, > > this is yet another post about a research topic that i > am dying to know more about. of course, i can read > books by famous composers but i want to hear from > practicing composers about what they think makes a > great composition? > > what is a great composition to you? > > particular structures? > > rise/build and climax? > > elements of surprise? > > predictability? > > tonal structures? > > rhythmic structures? > > depth and reverb? > > frequency distribution? > > quality of sound? > > what else? > > Marg=12aret Noble > Audio Artist > http://www.myspace.com/margaretnoble > > > > = _______________________________________________________________________=20= > _____________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight =20= > and hotel bargains. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > =20= --Apple-Mail-3-503932906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII You might hate this because it sounds so simple but.... whatever feels good. Whatever sounds good. (I sometimes think only music professors care about the rest.) And then, to make it stick, it helps if it's real - as in a real emotion connected to real life in some way. But sticking isn't always important. It just has to sound good. But you have a wider appeal if it sticks because then people tell their friends and your music becomes viral and then you can quit your job at Wendy's... or all the variations of Wendy's. (Not all jobs fall into the Wendy's category, btw.) Innovation is nice when it sounds good. Dissonance is nice when it sounds good. Innovation and dissonance suck when they don't sound good. Odd, innovation and dissonance can become rules in themselves.=20= Hence, some of the new 'avant guard' (sp?) music that sounds just like the stuff from100 years ago. So, rules are for when you don't know what to do.=20 It's good to know the rules, like Picasso or Michaelangelo or Mozart or Coltrane or Charles Ives... but then it's good to throw them at the wall when they get in the way. I tend to like the music of folks who know the rules - from folk art skank delta blues rules to Bach - and then walk over them. =20 A good rule I try to use is, where does the music get boring? And it's like someone once told me about real estate - find the weak point and make that the strongest. But then there's Brian Eno who's found stickiness in repetition and what could be considered boredom. So that rule can be pitched too. That's just my personal rule that I feel uncomfortable pitching. I'm an old man and fairly traditional. For that reason, I should probably pitch it. But sometimes I catch myself snoring when listening to long dramatic intros and five minute build ups. Again, it's so simple - it just has to SOUND good. =20 I personally love a good melody. A good melody with innovative chords moving under, innovative voicings, is my holy grail. Great music is like great sex... and I won't go into the details here.=20= But it's a good model for music creation. It's so important to always remember the difference between art and artifice. That's one of my Maha Mantras. Along with the boredom thing. It keeps me spelunking. But really, just like the rest of life, the only thing that counts is love (in this case, of the art). If it's there the world will beat a path to your door... at least eventually! It might be after you've become compost, but you gotta keep the faith in the love. If it's not there, job one is to find it! Self knowledge is a great flashlight! Thanks for asking, Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Feb-07, at 8:57 AM, margaret noble wrote: hello list, this is yet another post about a research topic that i am dying to know more about. of course, i can read books by famous composers but i want to hear from practicing composers about what they think makes a great composition? what is a great composition to you? particular structures? rise/build and climax? elements of surprise? predictability? tonal structures? rhythmic structures? depth and reverb? frequency distribution? quality of sound? what else? Marg=12aret Noble Audio Artist=20 http://www.myspace.com/margaretnoble = __________________________________________________________________________= __________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. =20 Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 =20= --Apple-Mail-3-503932906-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 19:11:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADAA93BF4A; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAJsn3EXUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACPKwEBAQcODR2TDgEBAYFD Message-ID: <45DC96FE.7070702@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:01:18 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:11:38 +0000 (UTC) hi Margaret. I listen predominantly to non-western temperament music. That's what I like, and especially to come across an unusual temperament. To hear music from around the world which is influenced by Western temperament does bother me sometimes. For instance I think it's a bit a a shame to tune a kora to the Western ideal. Actually a lot of Western music isn't evenly tempered. Violin players tune in perfect fifths, and even have a different playing technique depending on whether they play flats or sharps. I've heard that a violinist may tune slightly differently to be in tune with a piano. ( ..but when a string Quartet plays Schoenberg, they use 12T) Choral music tends towards purer intervals. Church organs are not tuned in evenly, apparently because it just doesn't sound good. Some things do bother me though, I hate it when jazz bass players play out of tune (which is most of the time) :-) andy butler www.andybutler.com margaret noble wrote: > > does it bother you to hear things that are not in key > according to western standards? if so, why? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 19:16:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62F873BF50; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:16:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAHsp3EXUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACPKwEBAQcODR2TKAEBAYFD Message-ID: <45DC98D1.1060508@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:09:05 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellent composition? References: <311819.806.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <311819.806.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:16:03 +0000 (UTC) > > what is a great composition to you? > I'm just wondering if that's the same as asking what is great music? andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 19:21:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D8E43BF50; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221142512.0273eaf8@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:28:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? In-Reply-To: <54009.167.83.10.20.1172082806.squirrel@www.michaelplishka. com> References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <54009.167.83.10.20.1172082806.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-595111FA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Well, I'm going to be the exception here it sounds like, and say that equal temperament is very important to me! The more I play music (guitar) the more my perfect pitch gets annoying. For example, I have real difficulties learning a tune in one key, then transposing it to another, because I have learned the "pitches" involved and expect to hear them, for example, at the start of the melody. I would actually be very interested in hearing, say, the Bach well-tempered clavier pieces as they were intended, on a well-tempered instrument. Another random musing: Although all keys are supposed to be equal in equal temperament, I still have my favorites... I can only think that this is because of emotional attachments to songs that are in these keys, than because of some emotive effect particular to the key. Of course, D minor is the saddest of all keys ... :) Chris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 19:25:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 381193BF54; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:25:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221143007.043e5bc8@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:31:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? In-Reply-To: <45DC96FE.7070702@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45DC96FE.7070702@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-595111FA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:25:07 +0000 (UTC) > >Some things do bother me though, I hate it when jazz bass players >play out of tune (which is most of the time) :-) Amen brother!! Keep an ear out for Canadian bassist Steve Wallace... perfect pitch, and oh yeah, he can play really well too. :) Interesting comment about violinists tuning to perfect fifths and then flavoring intervals slightly depending on context. I noticed that listening to Jaco Pastorius the other day - a particular note would be slightly adjusted depending on what's around it or the supporting harmony. Chris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 19:29:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE3E13BF47; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070221132909.8zoppplbsw8c4044@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:29:09 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Richard Sales Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellent composition? References: <311819.806.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Richard Sales : > It's good to know the rules, like Picasso or Michaelangelo or Mozart or > Coltrane or Charles Ives... but then it's good to throw them at the > wall when they get in the way. I tend to like the music of folks who > know the rules - from folk art skank delta blues rules to Bach - and > then walk over them. Great post! I tend to do the opposite. I don't worry about "the rules" at all =20 when I compose. To work with Cubase really liberates me from the =20 score and I can do things by ear. However, when I encounter a =20 "problem", say an awkward passage or a progression that just doesn't =20 "sound" the way I want it to, the "rules" are there to help me find a =20 solution. (This was a tough journey from the time I graduated. I had to =20 'liberate' myself from the expectation that every new work had to be =20 something completely 'new' ... or as I would say, 'novel'.) I marvel at people like Frank Zappa who wrote orchestral compositions =20 (that would be graduate level work) without ever getting formal =20 training. And, heck... Mozart reportedly wrote a symphony at age =20 four! Since I am not a genius, the training in theory, harmony, and =20 form has enabled me to write music that is much better than what I was =20 writing before I got the training. Actually, what we call "rules" I view as "tools". Or perhaps, "tools =20 of the trade". Thus, I utilize voice-leading, harmony, texture, and =20 other techniques to serve my music without feeling like a slave to =20 "the rules". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 19:30:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3D933BF4B; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: ZXXAxbAVM1kx6eug3XQpd7bd6OHny4TFQiKzIKVNbyr5CeSXph4mxDx.nKfSMlTrqvRuRcaqRi9TRe0.k1Ej11tLVvBiAAQqlJD_vUtw8BQGYCIhEXleLQpFMIdy6YrKUjR8Ax5mVyNY_rU- Message-ID: <45DC9DB4.2000701@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:29:56 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <54009.167.83.10.20.1172082806.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20070221142512.0273eaf8@sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221142512.0273eaf8@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:30:02 +0000 (UTC) My boss actually thinks that keys have inherent moods, and would agree that D minor is the saddest of all keys. --Josh Chris Smart wrote: > Well, I'm going to be the exception here it sounds like, and say that > equal temperament is very important to me! The more I play music > (guitar) the more my perfect pitch gets annoying. For example, I have > real difficulties learning a tune in one key, then transposing it to > another, because I have learned the "pitches" involved and expect to > hear them, for example, at the start of the melody. > > I would actually be very interested in hearing, say, the Bach > well-tempered clavier pieces as they were intended, on a well-tempered > instrument. > > Another random musing: Although all keys are supposed to be equal in > equal temperament, I still have my favorites... I can only think that > this is because of emotional attachments to songs that are in these > keys, than because of some emotive effect particular to the key. Of > course, D minor is the saddest of all keys ... :) > > Chris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 19:40:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E85963BF43; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:29:57 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? To: margaret noble , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006201c755f0$20737ce0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Yo Margie baby, you're spinning some serious threads here. I predict posts will be branching off these topics (equal temperment and compositional process) for a month, easy. > first let me say that i am no music theory expert. > sometimes i obsess about this because i think my > compositions may sound ignorant due to my > shortcomings. All you need to focus on, in my humble etc., is, "Do I feel that something is lacking in my own compositions? Do I want/need to know more?" > but, other times when i listen to say, > other cultural music like music from bali or > thailand...i hear beauty that i love and i know the > scales are not adhearing to western thought. also, > with electronic music and sound art, it seems to me > that no key in necessary and that this is actually > desirable and standard. but, then i wonder if that is > how it is for all audiences and players? Some people are rather put off by anything outside their circle of experience. I know a guitar player who is really, really good at jazz, country, classic rock, etc. When I played some of my sound-mangling patches on my Boss GT-3 (robot voices, ring modulation stuff, pseudo-synth sounds, etc.) his response was, "When are you ever going to use *that?*" And I'd been using it for my own recordings for about two years at that point. (And just by the way, I consider myself right up with him in the jazz/country/rock realm, so it's not a matter of my making funny noises cuz I can't play "All the Things You Are.") Some people have the "dog-hears-something" response to new sounds. You know, some new sound comes along and they cock their heads sideways, like, "what wuz *that?*" And they check it out and blend it into an ever-morphing landscape of tastes and aesthetic yadayada... > > does it bother you to hear things that are not in key > according to western standards? if so, why? I think the only time it bothers me is when the music is supposed to be in tune (according to Western standards), and the performer imposes poor technique on it. I practice along with my 9-year-old son who is learning the oboe, and, oh-boe! is he "not in key according to Western standards!" But I love it. On the other hand, if I have to listen to some mediocre blues-rock singer with poor pitch control, I will not like it much at all. Someone else mentioned out-of-tune jazz, which would bother me. But tuning is about the moment: music, audience, and musician. Out-of-tune jazz played by alert, aspiring youngsters would not bother me at all. Out-of-tune jazz played by unfocused adults would bother me. There's been a style in rap tunes where some male gangsta thug tries to sing some ballady chorus (usually contrasted to a really sweet female vocal in the same song). That USED to piss me off until I realized that it was the artist's intention to piss me off (or at least push my buttons about it). And now I just kinda file it away. I don't LIKE it any better, but I don't get all hot and bothered. Western equal temperment evolved to handle a certain musical impulse: harmonic motion through different key centers. If the music doesn't come from that impulse, the tuning changes. I love gamelan, I love the ragas of India, I love Korean music, I love the blues, I even love the friggin' Grateful Dead trying to sing in harmony. And YOU have got some serious music going on your myspace page, girl! I mo buy summa that, nomsane? Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Let these minutes and hours Show my mind strange new flowers" - Jackson Browne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 19:40:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9722A3BF61; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:33:28 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellent composition? To: Per Boysen , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006301c755f0$20f09c20$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6A50B8ED-1DCA-4E50-9A6E-E4F7D357C66E@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:40:02 +0000 (UTC) No, wait! No I know - there's another > component that is much more important than the above mentioned. It's > that the music should be about something. Music is, by its very nature, essentially powerless to express anything at all. Music expresses itself. -- Igor Stravinsky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 19:40:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B60E73BF6B; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:39:50 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? To: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Daryl Shawn Message-id: <006401c755f0$2386d760$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20070221124149.bq147uh40ggso04o@69.89.21.76> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:40:06 +0000 (UTC) > Quoting Daryl Shawn : > > > I do find that the golden rectangle is a construct that pops up again > > and again, particularly in pop songs. The climax, bridge, solo, > > whatever is nearly always at that magical point. > > Excellent point! To utilize the golden rectangle helps to assure a > sense of proportion to the music and generally results in a pleasing > "ebb and flow" over the course of the work. > I beg to differ. The Golden Mean exists outside of time. You observe the golden mean as a whole. Music exists in time. You don't know how much music is ahead (i.e., how much of the ratio is left) until you get to the end. You don't observe music as a whole until it's over. I've listened to some of Bartok's pieces which are written around the Golden Mean, and I don't hear it. I like the music, but I don't hear it. But tell me, what songs use the Golden Mean? Maybe if I listen more, I'll begin to notice it. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Let these minutes and hours Show my mind strange new flowers" - Jackson Browne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 20:05:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D802B3BF3F; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DCA5EE.1030504@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:05:02 -0600 From: Daryl User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Douglas Baldwin , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <20070221124149.bq147uh40ggso04o@69.89.21.76> <006401c755f0$2386d760$9715be18@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <006401c755f0$2386d760$9715be18@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2iT1fC.A.2VH.1XK3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:05:09 +0000 (UTC) True, the structure isn't apparent until the piece is complete. The way I view it is that, if a high point has occurred at roughly 2/3 of the way through a tune, the end seems to arrive at a time that is expected and pleasing. Any pop song that has a guitar solo before the bridge or last verse would roughly follow the model. Tons of Beatles tunes...for instance, Here Comes the Sun. The building bridge after "sun, sun, sun, here it comes" happens after two verses...then it's another verse, another chorus and out. I mentioned Bach earlier, If I remember correctly in the Chaconne or the ubiquitous cello suite prelude in G, the fastest passages and highest note occur at a Rectanglish spot. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > I beg to differ. The Golden Mean exists outside of time. You observe the > golden mean as a whole. Music exists in time. You don't know how much music > is ahead (i.e., how much of the ratio is left) until you get to the end. You > don't observe music as a whole until it's over. I've listened to some of > Bartok's pieces which are written around the Golden Mean, and I don't hear > it. I like the music, but I don't hear it. > > But tell me, what songs use the Golden Mean? Maybe if I listen more, I'll > begin to notice it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 20:10:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6ECFA3BF3D; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070221141049.nho87t3nuossows8@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:10:49 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <20070221124149.bq147uh40ggso04o@69.89.21.76> <006401c755f0$2386d760$9715be18@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <006401c755f0$2386d760$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:10:52 +0000 (UTC) > I beg to differ. The Golden Mean exists outside of time. You observe the > golden mean as a whole. Music exists in time. You don't know how much musi= c > is ahead (i.e., how much of the ratio is left) until you get to the end. Y= ou > don't observe music as a whole until it's over. I've listened to some of > Bartok's pieces which are written around the Golden Mean, and I don't hear > it. I like the music, but I don't hear it. Bartok is one of my favorites! > But tell me, what songs use the Golden Mean? Maybe if I listen more, I'll > begin to notice it. Well, I can't even remember the exact ratio -- it is around 61% -- =20 just under two-thirds. This suggests that for a work that lasts say, three minutes, the =20 climactic passage (or "the payoff" if you will) would occur around the =20 two minute point. Generally, I expect that climax of my music to occur well... around =20 2/3 into the work. Perhaps a jam-session can be used to provide a simple explanation. =20 Back in my teenage years, sometimes a few friends and I would get =20 together to make some music in the basement. And what did we do? =20 Well... we did what a lot of kids do... we did a 12-bar blues jam. =20 And, true to teenage form, we all poured incredible energy into the =20 music however by the fourth repetition, there was nowhere left to go! With experience comes a notion of "holding back" ... start out slow =20 and let the music gain momentum... build to a climax over a longer =20 period of time... then let it wind down naturally. Composers, too, often build works along these lines just doing what =20 "clicked" for them. At some point in academia, someone came up with the "Golden Section" =20 idea -- would this ratio somehow correspond to the buildup of formal =20 compositions? And, well... many musical examples corresponded (more =20 or less) to this ratio. It has been applied to work from all musical =20 periods. As far as a specific example... well, I have never measured it with a =20 stopwatch but the final movement from Mahler's 9th has a huge climax =20 that is roughly 2/3 of the way through. A lot of times, when the music just seems to "flow" we are unaware of =20 the underlying form, proportion, or whatever. I have yet to hear =20 someone exclaim upon hear a new work, "Wow. The Golden Section was =20 really cool!". When music doesn't quite "click" ... then we may become aware of =20 something that is out of proportion (too long, too short, too much of =20 this, not enough of that). Often the "not clicking" is due to some =20 underlying technicality and may not always just be due to a lack of =20 passion, inspiration, or whatever from the composer. I wholeheartedly agree with the notion of creating music that "sounds =20 good and feels good". However, when I create something that "just =20 doesn't quite work" I tend to want to dig in a find out what I did =20 that caused the situation. Thus, the Golden Section is a suggestion for the placement of a =20 climax. At least for me, it isn't cast in stone. It is a little like the "Law of nine squares" in photography which =20 serves as a suggestion for the placement of the main subject of a photo. Consider a movie -- if the climactic moment happens near the =20 beginning, then the balance of the film may seem kind of bland. If =20 the climax occurs in the final scene -- followed by the credits -- the =20 audience may feel kind of "ripped off" (heaven knows, there were a lot =20 of late 60's/early 70's movies that just ENDED... always left me =20 feeling empty). The choice of where to place the BIG CLIMACTIC moment =20 is an artistic one. The Golden Section is one possible position for =20 the climax that tends to "work" most of the time. Thus, it is not a hard and fast rule. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 20:33:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A9983BF4D; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Lk0v57n4oBGCti82jlgaEoGkx1akwLW6G0Qj3DneavcBkEZs4ZgtLBkDpQLCf72lndDJLt0XXQdv1JoWNl/raR0l5m3lyXS1dsKpusIM/C791vI9Eo7dJtwoa7N2IHgDN0zo8uRKD9M0/9JDRgWFv7ilPFcUl8TXFI1eJlz8KuI= Message-ID: <9ff9c5d10702211233y78268e23q1ac0042da655130b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:33:03 -0800 From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? In-Reply-To: <006201c755f0$20737ce0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18149_26918208.1172089983895" References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <006201c755f0$20737ce0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:33:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18149_26918208.1172089983895 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Equal temperament - isn't that the one with commitment issues? My personal (but possibly not very unique) take on equal temperament vs other tunings is largely governed by context. Keys, pianos, harpsichord, etc: yes, well-tempered - that's how we're used to hearing them. Human vocal harmonies however can tend to sound contrived, unnatural or dishonest when they are obviously well-tempered (depending on which intervals are involved). I think the same goes for violin as the harmony tends to be sparse, and our ears like to seek out those "perfect ratio" sounding intervals you can feel in your gut. Guitars are not well-tempered at all - imitating guitar on a well-tempered tuning synth is an easy way to start off on the wrong foot as far as sounding guitar-y is concerned. In ensemble context (putting all of these instruments with different temperament together) I have no objection to mixing all of these for a wonderfully heterogeneous and ambiguous final result ;-) Best, Nic On 2/21/07, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > Yo Margie baby, you're spinning some serious threads here. I predict posts > will be branching off these topics (equal temperment and compositional > process) for a month, easy. > > -- Nic Roozeboom http://www.fractal-continuum.com http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum http://www.myspace.com/nicroozeboom http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal http://fractal.bebo.com/ ------=_Part_18149_26918208.1172089983895 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Equal temperament - isn't that the one with commitment issues?

My personal (but possibly not very unique) take on equal temperament vs other tunings is largely governed by context. Keys, pianos, harpsichord, etc: yes, well-tempered - that's how we're used to hearing them. Human vocal harmonies however can tend to sound contrived, unnatural or dishonest when they are obviously well-tempered (depending on which intervals are involved). I think the same goes for violin as the harmony tends to be sparse, and our ears like to seek out those "perfect ratio" sounding intervals you can feel in your gut. Guitars are not well-tempered at all - imitating guitar on a well-tempered tuning synth is an easy way to start off on the wrong foot as far as sounding guitar-y is concerned. In ensemble context (putting all of these instruments with different temperament together) I have no objection to mixing all of these for a wonderfully heterogeneous and ambiguous final result ;-)

Best,
Nic

On 2/21/07, Douglas Baldwin <coyotelk@optonline.net> wrote:
Yo Margie baby, you're spinning some serious threads here. I predict posts
will be branching off these topics (equal temperment and compositional
process)  for a month, easy.


--
Nic Roozeboom

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http://fractal.bebo.com/ ------=_Part_18149_26918208.1172089983895-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 20:40:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2C3E3BF45; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=K0XGnJQ4egFeyUXRziqhygv6ZHRYZtdwZm4QtuqtN4g69YyTUmJePaMdgClZ2sTAHd8/IHJjs9lVN/rLIlg+O2k2uMoDOpTxxyl4YLmwU/kzSstQ4lOWYi9i5I4cZnu508uHy27/pUANzyeyyqWom9l/Ihqvr2KqVP1f5u9wIJc= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:40:11 -0600 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221142512.0273eaf8@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1106_7726946.1172090411558" References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <54009.167.83.10.20.1172082806.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20070221142512.0273eaf8@sympatico.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:40:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1106_7726946.1172090411558 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline When I was a grad assistant teaching aural skills classes at a major university, our curriculum was designed specifically to force the perfect-pitchers out of their comfort area. Everything was transposed: melodic and harmonic dictation exercises and sight-singing melodies. Despite my students' opinions on the matter, the purpose was not simply to torture them. It's purpose was to get them to develop so-called "relative pitch." In other words, rather than rely on their perfect pitch to discern pitches, we forced them to focus on the relationship between pitches which is far more important to the understanding of how a piece of music is constructed (talking Western Common Practice here) than the actual pitches involved. As to perfect pitch vs. non-Western tuning systems, methinks it's a matter of exposure and/or practice. One of my professors had perfect pitch, but had also developed the ability to 'adjust' the pitch discernment to both modern tuning (A=440) and the Baroque tuning (A=415) that was en vogue at the time among early music ensembles. He was also an avid student of the Karnatic musical traditions of Southern India and the Gamelan music of Indonesia, so he figured out a way to adapt his ears to those tuning systems, too. Hearing the Bach WTC in a historical tuning is a transcendent experience. The first prelude of Book I (the C major arpeggio study) goes from being rather plain in 12-tet to being a remarkable progression of tension and release. Having been conditioned for years on 12-tet and approximations thereof, the primal need of returning a composition to the tonic key after modulating away seemed merely a way to affect structural symmetry. That because, with 12-tet, all the keys are equally in tune (or out of tune, really), so there isn't necessarily any extra tension created by moving from, say, C major to G major. In the historical tuning, however, G major is considerably less stable than C major, so there is definitely a ramping-up of the tension when moving away from home and a definite release of the tension when finally arriving back at C major. But again, this has nothing to do with actual frequencies used, but rather the relationships between the frequencies. Cheers, Jon Southwood On 2/21/07, Chris Smart wrote: > > Well, I'm going to be the exception here it sounds like, and say > that equal temperament is very important to me! The more I play > music (guitar) the more my perfect pitch gets annoying. For > > I would actually be very interested in hearing, say, the Bach > well-tempered clavier pieces as they were intended, on a > well-tempered instrument. > > ------=_Part_1106_7726946.1172090411558 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline When I was a grad assistant teaching aural skills classes at a major university, our curriculum was designed specifically to force the perfect-pitchers out of their comfort area. Everything was transposed: melodic and harmonic dictation exercises and sight-singing melodies. Despite my students' opinions on the matter, the purpose was not simply to torture them. It's purpose was to get them to develop so-called "relative pitch." In other words, rather than rely on their perfect pitch to discern pitches, we forced them to focus on the relationship between pitches which is far more important to the understanding of how a piece of music is constructed (talking Western Common Practice here) than the actual pitches involved.

As to perfect pitch vs. non-Western tuning systems, methinks it's a matter of exposure and/or practice. One of my professors had perfect pitch, but had also developed the ability to 'adjust' the pitch discernment to both modern tuning (A=440) and the Baroque tuning (A=415) that was en vogue at the time among early music ensembles. He was also an avid student of the Karnatic musical traditions of Southern India and the Gamelan music of Indonesia, so he figured out a way to adapt his ears to those tuning systems, too.

Hearing the Bach WTC in a historical tuning is a transcendent experience. The first prelude of Book I (the C major arpeggio study) goes from being rather plain in 12-tet to being a remarkable progression of tension and release. Having been conditioned for years on 12-tet and approximations thereof, the primal need of returning a composition to the tonic key after modulating away seemed merely a way to affect structural symmetry. That because, with 12-tet, all the keys are equally in tune (or out of tune, really), so there isn't necessarily any extra tension created by moving from, say, C major to G major. In the historical tuning, however, G major is considerably less stable than C major, so there is definitely a ramping-up of the tension when moving away from home and a definite release of the tension when finally arriving back at C major.

But again, this has nothing to do with actual frequencies used, but rather the relationships between the frequencies.

Cheers,

Jon Southwood

On 2/21/07, Chris Smart <chris_s@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Well, I'm going to be the exception here it sounds like, and say
that equal temperament is very important to me! The more I play
music (guitar) the more my perfect pitch gets annoying. For
<snip>
I would actually be very interested in hearing, say, the Bach
well-tempered clavier pieces as they were intended, on a
well-tempered instrument.


------=_Part_1106_7726946.1172090411558-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 20:52:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DCEC3BF40; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221155847.027a9b88@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:59:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? In-Reply-To: <45DC9DB4.2000701@infinivert.com> References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <54009.167.83.10.20.1172082806.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20070221142512.0273eaf8@sympatico.ca> <45DC9DB4.2000701@infinivert.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1E5B64A3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:52:15 +0000 (UTC) At 02:29 PM 2/21/2007, you wrote: >My boss actually thinks that keys have inherent moods, and would >agree that D minor is the saddest of all keys. Is he named Nigel Tufnel? :) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 20:52:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C95C3BF4E; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAIM/3EXUSnIvk2dsb2JhbACPKwEBAQcODR2TIgEBAYFD Message-ID: <45DCAFD5.7070407@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:47:17 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <006201c755f0$20737ce0$9715be18@oemcomputer> <9ff9c5d10702211233y78268e23q1ac0042da655130b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ff9c5d10702211233y78268e23q1ac0042da655130b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:52:52 +0000 (UTC) > Guitars are not > well-tempered at all - Depends how you tune. andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 20:57:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7D6A3BF58; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: lDWKQAgVM1l_gzrJr1DzI8l3TeegrUIT06xN5hC1rHL3EQsql0GsyNdnpIeghTsmefwTcr8_kG2lKnz525CzUNW2ifDNac7EXG4L1SOhdWuTOaQEncotJW12Qqqfp6cIMUbPSiQRs_CjnQ-- Message-ID: <45DCB23E.1000008@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:57:34 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <54009.167.83.10.20.1172082806.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20070221142512.0273eaf8@sympatico.ca> <45DC9DB4.2000701@infinivert.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20070221155847.027a9b88@sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221155847.027a9b88@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Ha! No. But he has interesting theories about music, space-time, humanity, and spirituality, and the relationship between them. Chris Smart wrote: > At 02:29 PM 2/21/2007, you wrote: > >> My boss actually thinks that keys have inherent moods, and would >> agree that D minor is the saddest of all keys. > > Is he named Nigel Tufnel? :) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 20:58:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF5F73BF54; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221160502.0275f540@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:05:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? In-Reply-To: <006401c755f0$2386d760$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <20070221124149.bq147uh40ggso04o@69.89.21.76> <006401c755f0$2386d760$9715be18@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1E5B64A3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:58:51 +0000 (UTC) I'd love to hear more about the golden mean, after watching that interesting cult movie hit called PI. Highly recommended, although see IMDB.com and Wikipedia for a list of mistakes they made. Chris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 21:07:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 514013BF58; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: N4vgzjAVM1lqJSJYzdCPMpsJN2_qlQuJHT16z1A267m3k6PFkbqCx1YtkuTjP_.pxORzLYhXaFuBsPW7yivhPHx9RFpbuooGIciPqIiMSAAbh8D.qibatkwXiAKUkfmqTsYpZbSxkoF0yA-- Message-ID: <45DCB4A2.5030800@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:07:46 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <20070221124149.bq147uh40ggso04o@69.89.21.76> <006401c755f0$2386d760$9715be18@oemcomputer> <6.2.5.6.2.20070221160502.0275f540@sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221160502.0275f540@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <536OTB.A.qqD.kSL3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Pi was a great movie! --Josh Chris Smart wrote: > I'd love to hear more about the golden mean, after watching that > interesting cult movie hit called PI. Highly recommended, although see > IMDB.com and Wikipedia for a list of mistakes they made. > Chris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 21:09:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFB553BEF6; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6JTjMZoZg55YKnz2bn03CStp9iaLWBvghTTzzw6HpJS0dgZD9mi9yUXphcCnjDwUGNsIuxyFNZhGu4JW/sycXUVlne1pANbNZlTTZBczZGc8y3hitqnYO/MAS8v+Dwoc5pOOP2V0pHi1n30hxRKM1sYv2KMKGSDEDwuRC03P5Yg= ; Message-ID: <20070221210930.71361.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: kyFb.J0VM1nQJ3SYGwIB49bywI_AlE.1lwtNK4k.sB94exTilT20PNi8NHnedFpmIng09xVZCphvFfcF5aS2jWvkRVcLrMhSwNO0s4x55FyBFqOdMaRlERA1Sg07J3H9pLPiavNAwQLxSws- Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:09:30 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Anyone using NI Guitar Rig 2? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0C0D8ADF-078C-416C-BF27-D4C08A844D94@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Wait... didn't you say yesterday that you'd never buy a product from NI ever again? ;) I took a listen to Guitar Rig 2 and while I found the tone to be good (but very NI) and the ability to set up ADSR envelops to control effects very nice... it didn't do it for me. The "feel" wasn't there. I imagine what I'm missing is related to latency. I seem OK with it in the synth world but when it comes to guitar it bothers me. Seems like it would be perfect to record a nice clean tone into and be able to mess with it during the mix process though. So what about that NI sound, eh? Personally I love it but it's so there in every product they make. When I checked out Massive the first thing I thought was, "Woah, sounds like Reaktor." When I figured I'd have to have something to control it anyway it just didn't make sense from a cost/weight stance. Also factor in that it's pretty CPU hungry. When the dust settled it seemed that my Vox Tonelab/Lexicon MPX1 rig was clearly the way to go. Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > Hi List, > > I had a chance to try out Guitar Rig 2 and found an > annoying problem. > If you assign a MIDI expression pedal to some > parameter (like wha- > wha, volume or delay feedback) some rig patches > create a crackling > noise when the MIDI CC data is streaming. Have other > GR2 user noticed > this? > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 21:17:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FABE3BF58; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:17:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: pDqdMTAVM1lI.jXxyZCYoIw.jIfy5yi5Tcgh1J5pkCqjNfnEjlZ4IpkbbA_SjYZ.7c9ootJM_YhOAIj2Nmq86r4_4YvhxE_esTyWjs7CXwZIKrOBT7rLyF0kSA1d65C_Mn8uUJsU7vliD_8- Message-ID: <45DCB703.8020808@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:17:55 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone using NI Guitar Rig 2? References: <20070221210930.71361.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20070221210930.71361.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070305050306050802000107" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:17:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070305050306050802000107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw yesterday that Zoom has a new product rolling out to compete with the Vox floorboard (http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/products/g92tt/index.php). Looks pretty interesting! --Josh mark sottilaro wrote: > Wait... didn't you say yesterday that you'd never buy > a product from NI ever again? ;) > > I took a listen to Guitar Rig 2 and while I found the > tone to be good (but very NI) and the ability to set > up ADSR envelops to control effects very nice... it > didn't do it for me. The "feel" wasn't there. I > imagine what I'm missing is related to latency. I > seem OK with it in the synth world but when it comes > to guitar it bothers me. Seems like it would be > perfect to record a nice clean tone into and be able > to mess with it during the mix process though. > > So what about that NI sound, eh? Personally I love it > but it's so there in every product they make. When I > checked out Massive the first thing I thought was, > "Woah, sounds like Reaktor." > > When I figured I'd have to have something to control > it anyway it just didn't make sense from a cost/weight > stance. Also factor in that it's pretty CPU hungry. > When the dust settled it seemed that my Vox > Tonelab/Lexicon MPX1 rig was clearly the way to go. > > Mark > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > >> Hi List, >> >> I had a chance to try out Guitar Rig 2 and found an >> annoying problem. >> If you assign a MIDI expression pedal to some >> parameter (like wha- >> wha, volume or delay feedback) some rig patches >> create a crackling >> noise when the MIDI CC data is streaming. Have other >> GR2 user noticed >> this? >> > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 > > > > > --------------070305050306050802000107 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw yesterday that Zoom has a new product rolling out to compete with the Vox floorboard (http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/products/g92tt/index.php).  Looks pretty interesting!

--Josh


mark sottilaro wrote:
Wait... didn't you say yesterday that you'd never buy
a product from NI ever again? ;)

I took a listen to Guitar Rig 2 and while I found the
tone to be good (but very NI) and the ability to set
up ADSR envelops to control effects very nice... it
didn't do it for me.  The "feel" wasn't there.  I
imagine what I'm missing is related to latency.  I
seem OK with it in the synth world but when it comes
to guitar it bothers me.  Seems like it would be
perfect to record a nice clean tone into and be able
to mess with it during the mix process though.

So what about that NI sound, eh?  Personally I love it
but it's so there in every product they make.  When I
checked out Massive the first thing I thought was,
"Woah, sounds like Reaktor."

When I figured I'd have to have something to control
it anyway it just didn't make sense from a cost/weight
stance.  Also factor in that it's pretty CPU hungry. 
When the dust settled it seemed that my Vox
Tonelab/Lexicon MPX1 rig was clearly the way to go.

Mark


--- Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

  
Hi List,

I had a chance to try out Guitar Rig 2 and found an
annoying problem.  
If you assign a MIDI expression pedal to some
parameter (like wha- 
wha, volume or delay feedback) some rig patches
create a crackling  
noise when the MIDI CC data is streaming. Have other
GR2 user noticed  
this?
    

  



 
____________________________________________________________________________________
Need Mail bonding?
Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091




  
--------------070305050306050802000107-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 21:20:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B7763BF64; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=VgxEGyup5aD6yPdbs0sDzRFwmpVEAhUqk2KMtGThRH6iorvr8SOMYGpWHvd/QbS/A/osE82E1Bki85B7mZmm8YaRNqJDl08Z6O5Cp/gnIZA2kuFm/oXkAgbYZfwNagE06cWSlpekE7/MMYeDwnkZE18Ml9Vqo+ph00NtYk1LPqY= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:20:13 -0600 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? In-Reply-To: <45DC9DB4.2000701@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1134_14409414.1172092813319" References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <54009.167.83.10.20.1172082806.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20070221142512.0273eaf8@sympatico.ca> <45DC9DB4.2000701@infinivert.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:20:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1134_14409414.1172092813319 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline With apologies to your boss and Nigel Tufnel, after playing a Fernando Sor Etude for guitar in Bb minor, I have to say that I find Bb minor to the be saddest of all keys. -Jon On 2/21/07, Joshua Carroll wrote: > > My boss actually thinks that keys have inherent moods, and would agree > that D minor is the saddest of all keys. > > --Josh > > > ------=_Part_1134_14409414.1172092813319 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline With apologies to your boss and Nigel Tufnel, after playing a Fernando Sor Etude for guitar in Bb minor, I have to say that I find Bb minor to the be saddest of all keys.

-Jon

On 2/21/07, Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com> wrote:
My boss actually thinks that keys have inherent moods, and would agree
that D minor is the saddest of all keys.

--Josh



------=_Part_1134_14409414.1172092813319-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 21:36:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 714193BF32; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=An+aaUmRL4qBsN8FCo6BZtaBFrZ4yXiZsOA/wn8I7WIS1fZOJ53fTaEXNc0JEGlOG5a4dbzx85MDBMbtIfFjY5AHaKz+hHYxlF+PohaTuPofc0wH0tPlrAPsSk+0LmH/r9Tg9lEcBZnTCJKetxA7x79aKiZhWDyQ/zU2RpsCfGQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070221210930.71361.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070221210930.71361.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <61AA9D8A-9C22-423D-9AA2-63BA5EA19B7A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Anyone using NI Guitar Rig 2? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:36:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:36:40 +0000 (UTC) On 21 feb 2007, at 22.09, mark sottilaro wrote: > Wait... didn't you say yesterday that you'd never buy > a product from NI ever again? ;) I'm just checking it out now. And because of that noise when feeding it MIDI CC# I can resist buying it for my own use. Too bad, because it's really a neat laptop alternative. I'm also interested in peoples opinion on gear because I sometimes write about gear. Thanks for your input, it was interesting to hear your take on the GR2. per > I took a listen to Guitar Rig 2 and while I found the > tone to be good (but very NI) and the ability to set > up ADSR envelops to control effects very nice... it > didn't do it for me. The "feel" wasn't there. I > imagine what I'm missing is related to latency. I > seem OK with it in the synth world but when it comes > to guitar it bothers me. Seems like it would be > perfect to record a nice clean tone into and be able > to mess with it during the mix process though. > > So what about that NI sound, eh? Personally I love it > but it's so there in every product they make. When I > checked out Massive the first thing I thought was, > "Woah, sounds like Reaktor." > > When I figured I'd have to have something to control > it anyway it just didn't make sense from a cost/weight > stance. Also factor in that it's pretty CPU hungry. > When the dust settled it seemed that my Vox > Tonelab/Lexicon MPX1 rig was clearly the way to go. > > Mark > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > >> Hi List, >> >> I had a chance to try out Guitar Rig 2 and found an >> annoying problem. >> If you assign a MIDI expression pedal to some >> parameter (like wha- >> wha, volume or delay feedback) some rig patches >> create a crackling >> noise when the MIDI CC data is streaming. Have other >> GR2 user noticed >> this? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 21:43:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D7223BF4F; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone using NI Guitar Rig 2? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:43:29 +0000 Message-Id: <022120072143.27411.45DCBD0100041F6100006B132216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_27411_1172094209_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:43:33 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_27411_1172094209_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have it. Not a huge fan. Its ok for some stuff, but it munches cpu like crazy. I just got a Pod LiveXT which I like very, very much. On headphones it sounds ok, but through my Mackie 450's, it sounds positively HUGE. -------------- Original message -------------- From: mark sottilaro > Wait... didn't you say yesterday that you'd never buy > a product from NI ever again? ;) > > I took a listen to Guitar Rig 2 and while I found the > tone to be good (but very NI) and the ability to set > up ADSR envelops to control effects very nice... it > didn't do it for me. The "feel" wasn't there. I > imagine what I'm missing is related to latency. I > seem OK with it in the synth world but when it comes > to guitar it bothers me. Seems like it would be > perfect to record a nice clean tone into and be able > to mess with it during the mix process though. > > So what about that NI sound, eh? Personally I love it > but it's so there in every product they make. When I > checked out Massive the first thing I thought was, > "Woah, sounds like Reaktor." > > When I figured I'd have to have something to control > it anyway it just didn't make sense from a cost/weight > stance. Also factor in that it's pretty CPU hungry. > When the dust settled it seemed that my Vox > Tonelab/Lexicon MPX1 rig was clearly the way to go. > > Mark > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > Hi List, > > > > I had a chance to try out Guitar Rig 2 and found an > > annoying problem. > > If you assign a MIDI expression pedal to some > > parameter (like wha- > > wha, volume or delay feedback) some rig patches > > create a crackling > > noise when the MIDI CC data is streaming. Have other > > GR2 user noticed > > this? > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_27411_1172094209_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I have it. Not a huge fan. Its ok for some stuff, but it munches cpu like crazy. I just got a Pod LiveXT which I like very, very much. On headphones it sounds ok, but through my Mackie 450's, it sounds positively HUGE.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com>

> Wait... didn't you say yesterday that you'd never buy
> a product from NI ever again? ;)
>
> I took a listen to Guitar Rig 2 and while I found the
> tone to be good (but very NI) and the ability to set
> up ADSR envelops to control effects very nice... it
> didn't do it for me. The "feel" wasn't there. I
> imagine what I'm missing is related to latency. I
> seem OK with it in the synth world but when it comes
> to guitar it bothers me. Seems like it would be
> perfect to record a nice clean tone into and be able
> to mess with it during the mix process though.
>
> So what about that NI sound, eh? Personally I love it
> but it's so there in every product they make. When I
> c hecked out Massive the first thing I thought was,
> "Woah, sounds like Reaktor."
>
> When I figured I'd have to have something to control
> it anyway it just didn't make sense from a cost/weight
> stance. Also factor in that it's pretty CPU hungry.
> When the dust settled it seemed that my Vox
> Tonelab/Lexicon MPX1 rig was clearly the way to go.
>
> Mark
>
>
> --- Per Boysen wrote:
>
> > Hi List,
> >
> > I had a chance to try out Guitar Rig 2 and found an
> > annoying problem.
> > If you assign a MIDI expression pedal to some
> > parameter (like wha-
> > wha, volume or delay feedback) some rig patches
> > create a crackling
> > noise when the MIDI CC data is streaming. Have other
> > GR2 user noticed
> > this?
>
> >
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________________
> ____
> Need Mail bonding?
> Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
> http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_27411_1172094209_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 21:51:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF10C3BF53; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <45DCA5EE.1030504@mhorse.com> References: <20070221124149.bq147uh40ggso04o@69.89.21.76> <006401c755f0$2386d760$9715be18@oemcomputer> <45DCA5EE.1030504@mhorse.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-513970546 Message-Id: <1f2ac166fd7e477082884f21211906e2@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:51:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <9cSMQD.A.GKH.z7L3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:51:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-513970546 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Older than dirt... something like: ABABC SOLO ABB (verse chorus verse chorus bridge break verse chorus chorus) One of the most fun rules to break! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Feb-07, at 12:05 PM, Daryl wrote: > True, the structure isn't apparent until the piece is complete. The > way I view it is that, if a high point has occurred at roughly 2/3 of > the way through a tune, the end seems to arrive at a time that is > expected and pleasing. > > Any pop song that has a guitar solo before the bridge or last verse > would roughly follow the model. Tons of Beatles tunes...for instance, > Here Comes the Sun. The building bridge after "sun, sun, sun, here it > comes" happens after two verses...then it's another verse, another > chorus and out. I mentioned Bach earlier, If I remember correctly in > the Chaconne or the ubiquitous cello suite prelude in G, the fastest > passages and highest note occur at a Rectanglish spot. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > >> I beg to differ. The Golden Mean exists outside of time. You observe >> the >> golden mean as a whole. Music exists in time. You don't know how much >> music >> is ahead (i.e., how much of the ratio is left) until you get to the >> end. You >> don't observe music as a whole until it's over. I've listened to some >> of >> Bartok's pieces which are written around the Golden Mean, and I don't >> hear >> it. I like the music, but I don't hear it. >> >> But tell me, what songs use the Golden Mean? Maybe if I listen more, >> I'll >> begin to notice it. > --Apple-Mail-5-513970546 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Older than dirt... something like: ABABC SOLO ABB (verse chorus verse chorus bridge break verse chorus chorus) One of the most fun rules to break! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Feb-07, at 12:05 PM, Daryl wrote: True, the structure isn't apparent until the piece is complete. The way I view it is that, if a high point has occurred at roughly 2/3 of the way through a tune, the end seems to arrive at a time that is expected and pleasing. Any pop song that has a guitar solo before the bridge or last verse would roughly follow the model. Tons of Beatles tunes...for instance, Here Comes the Sun. The building bridge after "sun, sun, sun, here it comes" happens after two verses...then it's another verse, another chorus and out. I mentioned Bach earlier, If I remember correctly in the Chaconne or the ubiquitous cello suite prelude in G, the fastest passages and highest note occur at a Rectanglish spot. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com I beg to differ. The Golden Mean exists outside of time. You observe the golden mean as a whole. Music exists in time. You don't know how much music is ahead (i.e., how much of the ratio is left) until you get to the end. You don't observe music as a whole until it's over. I've listened to some of Bartok's pieces which are written around the Golden Mean, and I don't hear it. I like the music, but I don't hear it. But tell me, what songs use the Golden Mean? Maybe if I listen more, I'll begin to notice it. --Apple-Mail-5-513970546-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 21:53:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AB353BF6D; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=aXysTkVXq+uR2nwXkmGJm/R0J7TPtM/3HsIY0ggXTC7FknnCasGYZnnFvy17oKnKkK5MhmKX8tBr041/HDU5l8KBAslgzaMp1Q8P3dEPhF2GmvMCVMgphuoqfONAD7BiHZwJ7fbpXsHmtt84tHgovQGdf88Ly0N/nhi6DSr0q9Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=uY+vSaGv77hooeBr6VhQGxTWmFIXawii1yHM+aHuNkrPnqYgacU8dAdintF+7m3ONU5YPEjLF58TbWIcOzYvlR4KRoH4H6SCmmnu25NpkwW89Tv5ywvEFpEiMUT818+CKDWBERQYgN2r9YaE6lWKZVpy0p4mZ0qNLNnu0Cbdft4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <022120072143.27411.45DCBD0100041F6100006B132216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <022120072143.27411.45DCBD0100041F6100006B132216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1389CEE4-F7A9-4D0B-8DD2-1B6DFBC002A3@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Anyone using NI Guitar Rig 2? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:52:59 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:53:04 +0000 (UTC) On 21 feb 2007, at 22.43, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > I have it. Not a huge fan. Its ok for some stuff, but it munches > cpu like crazy. I just got a Pod LiveXT which I like very, very > much. On headphones it sounds ok, but through my Mackie 450's, it > sounds positively HUGE. I have also noticed that when you are looping and layering overdubs it sounds a bit harsh with the GR2. I have the first pod (round-ish red one) and I think it sounds better than GR2, when looping. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 22:21:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C38D83BF5E; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:21:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:11:53 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? To: Daryl , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008701c75606$ade35da0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20070221124149.bq147uh40ggso04o@69.89.21.76> <006401c755f0$2386d760$9715be18@oemcomputer> <45DCA5EE.1030504@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:21:27 +0000 (UTC) Well, Daryl, I'm gonna go hit up some of my favorite songs/music and see if there's something Golden in their form. You got me thinking! What I would like to see (or hear) is if the "Golden Mean" can be heard in retrospect after one or two listenings, just as "key center," "tonal center," "unusual time signature," "blues phrasing," etc. can be heard. dB > True, the structure isn't apparent until the piece is complete. The way > I view it is that, if a high point has occurred at roughly 2/3 of the > way through a tune, the end seems to arrive at a time that is expected > and pleasing. > > Any pop song that has a guitar solo before the bridge or last verse > would roughly follow the model. Tons of Beatles tunes...for instance, > Here Comes the Sun. The building bridge after "sun, sun, sun, here it > comes" happens after two verses...then it's another verse, another > chorus and out. I mentioned Bach earlier, If I remember correctly in the > Chaconne or the ubiquitous cello suite prelude in G, the fastest > passages and highest note occur at a Rectanglish spot. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > > I beg to differ. The Golden Mean exists outside of time. You observe the > > golden mean as a whole. Music exists in time. You don't know how much music > > is ahead (i.e., how much of the ratio is left) until you get to the end. You > > don't observe music as a whole until it's over. I've listened to some of > > Bartok's pieces which are written around the Golden Mean, and I don't hear > > it. I like the music, but I don't hear it. > > > > But tell me, what songs use the Golden Mean? Maybe if I listen more, I'll > > begin to notice it. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 23:03:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9789C3BF01; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:03:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <008701c75606$ade35da0$9715be18@oemcomputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdWBwC1U8rtiaaYSj6Gauz5D5fiUAABUdoQ Message-Id: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd04503be000073c0.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:03:22 +0000 (UTC) It would be interesting to build some algorithm in Max that generates a music form based on golden section or one of the other similarly pleasing mathematical series. Maybe its already done. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:12 PM To: Daryl; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? Well, Daryl, I'm gonna go hit up some of my favorite songs/music and see if there's something Golden in their form. You got me thinking! What I would like to see (or hear) is if the "Golden Mean" can be heard in retrospect after one or two listenings, just as "key center," "tonal center," "unusual time signature," "blues phrasing," etc. can be heard. dB > True, the structure isn't apparent until the piece is complete. The > way I view it is that, if a high point has occurred at roughly 2/3 of > the way through a tune, the end seems to arrive at a time that is > expected and pleasing. > > Any pop song that has a guitar solo before the bridge or last verse > would roughly follow the model. Tons of Beatles tunes...for instance, > Here Comes the Sun. The building bridge after "sun, sun, sun, here it > comes" happens after two verses...then it's another verse, another > chorus and out. I mentioned Bach earlier, If I remember correctly in > the Chaconne or the ubiquitous cello suite prelude in G, the fastest > passages and highest note occur at a Rectanglish spot. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > > I beg to differ. The Golden Mean exists outside of time. You observe > > the golden mean as a whole. Music exists in time. You don't know how > > much music > > is ahead (i.e., how much of the ratio is left) until you get to the end. You > > don't observe music as a whole until it's over. I've listened to > > some of Bartok's pieces which are written around the Golden Mean, > > and I don't hear > > it. I like the music, but I don't hear it. > > > > But tell me, what songs use the Golden Mean? Maybe if I listen more, I'll > > begin to notice it. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 23:17:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AFE33BF24; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:17:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LIc0ar1H2w22jzLlTZB0ffxbBNggjws+E5ZiZlk01JbEoUpaAemm3GXJpGRmNigdxNWpZJU60iO9IZBy6VXTAInLT6ZrK6B7Nzae5YO98UyQKZqPjoPI0xMDPti9D/IBFnXHJcKU+Upre5nVqjMLTsFMYDIUCY3NiviSAoioydA=; X-YMail-OSG: Cd__87gVM1mAw1WIHrP1u00IC7X9Wyax0hhr1Iq22YUCD9QcpyiiVCm1XsfmRBxQcO83AbhxpR4vVDC..EcqzeQtW3ICv9WVkaXXcsy1Rti62fRKqw1NJw-- Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:17:55 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: wireless headset microphones for looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45DBDA8D.5040301@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <649014.33210.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:17:57 +0000 (UTC) I am curious to know if anybody is using such micros,good brands for the buck, advantages disadvantages etc. one of the problems i have when singing and looping a b c parts is having to step on the next loop button quick enough so it got me thinking about this.On the other hand i like to loop hand percussion so i see i would still have a separate micro. Any thoughts,experiences? cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 00:03:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82CE93BF2F; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: anJctlEVM1ks9U966slBjIBCIPq0.lKg18wH_hkMDke0NCK0T3Yuc3lsz7UQSNgHzZPXbGQDVheVwqcp40QaRQFuMsCm2aVqNC.CRjVU70YbWxIKzdNxyw-- Message-ID: <45DCDDB1.8020200@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:02:57 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: wireless headset microphones for looping References: <649014.33210.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <649014.33210.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <254RXB.A.xSF.z2N3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Not for looping, but we've been very happy with the Countryman headset mics. --Josh L.A. Angulo wrote: > I am curious to know if anybody is using such > micros,good brands for the buck, advantages > disadvantages etc. one of the problems i have when > singing and looping a b c parts is having to step on > the next loop button quick enough so it got me > thinking about this.On the other hand i like to loop > hand percussion so i see i would still have a separate > micro. > Any thoughts,experiences? > cheers > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast > with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather > > > > . > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 00:16:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BC3F3BF37; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:16:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3759.69.59.206.219.1172103369.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <00c001c75579$f5956180$0300a8c0@daw1> <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:16:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:16:11 +0000 (UTC) Excellent questions, Margaret, and I appreciate the level of discussion they have brought to the list today! Reminds me of the old daze.... I guess ih I had to formulate how I perceive in-tuneness vs. out-of-tuneness, it comes down to how in tune the performance is with its intent. Therefore, gamelan, mbira music, Bob Dylan and the Shaggs, to name just a few, sound perfectly in tune to me, they are absolutely playing/singing the pitches they intend, and it sounds perfect. My own singing, a roomful of 5th-grade band campers trying their instruments for the first time, and any number of singer-songwriters I've recorded sound out of tune, because they are not delivering the intended pitches. Whether the intended pitches correspond to 12tet means pretty much nothing to me. Last friday, I saw an amazing concert of classical North Indian music at the U of Oregon music school, sitarist Kartik Seshadri and Arup Chatterjee on tabla. For the entire 2.5 hours of the concert, nothing was in 12tet, and not a note was out of tune, both in pitch and emotional resonence. Amazing concert, absolutely incredible musicianship. Seshadri was a student of Ravi Shankar. He currently lives and teaches in San Diego, if you have a chance to see him, do so, he's amazing, as is Chatterjee. Also spent some time listening to a relatively recent Terry Riley album of duets with bassist Stefano Scodanibbio. Riley tunes his synth to just intonation, and many of the intervals are pretty breathtaking. Dissonance seems to be much more meaningful in JI. Even though some of the synth patches tend to the cheesy side of the burger, it's a pretty cool album. I've been meaning to track down his stuff for JI Prophet 5's from the 70's, I imagine with an analog synth, the intonation would be more profound. My main instruments are fretted electric bass and keys, so I'm usually stick in 12tet land. I have been playing with softsynths lately that support micro-tuning, particularly Cameleon 5000, which has a downloadable folder of thousands of TUN files for different microtunings. It's a bit overwhelming, but loads of fun. > hello list, > > first let me say that i am no music theory expert. > sometimes i obsess about this because i think my > compositions may sound ignorant due to my > shortcomings. but, other times when i listen to say, > other cultural music like music from bali or > thailand...i hear beauty that i love and i know the > scales are not adhearing to western thought. also, > with electronic music and sound art, it seems to me > that no key in necessary and that this is actually > desirable and standard. but, then i wonder if that is > how it is for all audiences and players? > > does it bother you to hear things that are not in key > according to western standards? if so, why? > > thanks for your input, love to hear your thoughts! > > Margaret Noble > Audio Artist > http://www.myspace.com/margaretnoble > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Cheap talk? > Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > http://voice.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 01:02:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 534D03BF22; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=stNWlMlKjN6ipB2hMuvkHgGs46v5LvYMuE3a4lLw6ZYrSGdSIo2RvlicLxktAS6/Er55kWEcO2foKPaxMxgOZr59IG8ue+CbVNyj78UUS7zrsaFrCSiPpvcU12BnoJZe4oMkNRMF8yOdd98iWWjUgcz+dbfeLJeYcsgsfwxbIvk=; X-YMail-OSG: FbmftNUVM1n_AGshyF2JyRVPhwgny90qypV0LbYR81eYiqSbSkq5ncOi.JmNTtgvNEFlGGXNNkPnnxpvwxDG5YwXOHWFRwLRj1tJ3ePnsHceMAugW6Agc7K9pksvecFIuLQkZeHpe6DmFPpkQXrKlYuMTVjO8s5NgQ-- Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:02:38 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: how much do you care about your music etc. To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <583562.23973.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Everybody knows that Cmaj7 is the saddest key of all! Or how about A flat. I'll bet it's the lonliest key on the board. Rig (jokeing) ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 01:13:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2034F3BF22; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:13:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3948.69.59.206.219.1172106791.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <498991.78110.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <02B68CCC-0D20-427B-9EAB-C449E3383325@aol.com> <498991.78110.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:13:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the wake of the dinasours From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:13:14 +0000 (UTC) Speaking of "Dinosaur" bands reforming and roaming the earth, I'm just listening to the new Art Ensemble of Chicago disc, "Cognitive Aspects of The City", recorded live at Iridium in NYC over several nights. Corey Wilkes and Jaribu Shihad replace the sadly departed Lester Bowie and Malachi Favors on trumpet and bass, respectively. I would have never really envisioned the AECO without Bowie in particular, but it's a wonderful disc, the energy is amazing. One of the best avant-jazz discs I've heard in years, it really has that playful and rooted approach to the avant garde that always characterized the AECO for me. No looping, in fact, no electronics whatsoever, but I'm sure there's a few AECO fans on this list. They've been a huge influence on me over the years. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 01:32:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2FE63BF23; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:32:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221203725.02738f78@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:39:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? In-Reply-To: <45DCB4A2.5030800@infinivert.com> References: <20070221124149.bq147uh40ggso04o@69.89.21.76> <006401c755f0$2386d760$9715be18@oemcomputer> <6.2.5.6.2.20070221160502.0275f540@sympatico.ca> <45DCB4A2.5030800@infinivert.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4D0736D8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:32:37 +0000 (UTC) At 04:07 PM 2/21/2007, you wrote: >Pi was a great movie! Yep ... and what's a rotating drill bit? A spiral!! I'm not sure if that was intentional on the screenplay writer's part or not. I actually saw PI in a movie theater the first time, albeit with a bad cold which included a fever, and being way past tired. I'm sure my altered state contributed to the huge impact that movie had on me. Heck, I hear that techno track they used almost throughout the whole movie anywhere else, and I get chills and feel like being very productive. :) Chris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 01:34:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23D013BF21; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221204035.027380d8@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:40:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: Re: Anyone using NI Guitar Rig 2? In-Reply-To: <45DCB703.8020808@infinivert.com> References: <20070221210930.71361.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45DCB703.8020808@infinivert.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4D0736D8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:34:12 +0000 (UTC) It'll have to be pretty good to sound better than the Vox Tonelab stuff - even though the Tonelabs aren't all taht flexible. At 04:17 PM 2/21/2007, you wrote: >I saw yesterday that Zoom has a new product rolling out to compete >with the Vox floorboard >(http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/products/g92tt/index.php). >Looks pretty interesting! > >--Josh > > >mark sottilaro wrote: >> >>Wait... didn't you say yesterday that you'd never buy >>a product from NI ever again? ;) >> >>I took a listen to Guitar Rig 2 and while I found the >>tone to be good (but very NI) and the ability to set >>up ADSR envelops to control effects very nice... it >>didn't do it for me. The "feel" wasn't there. I >>imagine what I'm missing is related to latency. I >>seem OK with it in the synth world but when it comes >>to guitar it bothers me. Seems like it would be >>perfect to record a nice clean tone into and be able >>to mess with it during the mix process though. >> >>So what about that NI sound, eh? Personally I love it >>but it's so there in every product they make. When I >>checked out Massive the first thing I thought was, >>"Woah, sounds like Reaktor." >> >>When I figured I'd have to have something to control >>it anyway it just didn't make sense from a cost/weight >>stance. Also factor in that it's pretty CPU hungry. >>When the dust settled it seemed that my Vox >>Tonelab/Lexicon MPX1 rig was clearly the way to go. >> >>Mark >> >> >>--- Per Boysen >>wrote: >> >> >>> >>>Hi List, >>> >>>I had a chance to try out Guitar Rig 2 and found an >>>annoying problem. >>>If you assign a MIDI expression pedal to some >>>parameter (like wha- >>>wha, volume or delay feedback) some rig patches >>>create a crackling >>>noise when the MIDI CC data is streaming. Have other >>>GR2 user noticed >>>this? >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>____________________________________________________________________________________ >>Need Mail bonding? >>Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. >>http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 >> >> >> >> >> > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: >2/20/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 01:36:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 502263BF24; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221204200.027721f8@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:43:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: Re: Anyone using NI Guitar Rig 2? In-Reply-To: <022120072143.27411.45DCBD0100041F6100006B132216525806020A0 50C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <022120072143.27411.45DCBD0100041F6100006B132216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4D0736D8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:36:58 +0000 (UTC) I also have the PODxt Live and love it, yes, through speakers or a PA! Through headphones it sounds like what would result if I took a good guitar amp, and stuck my head right up next to it, which, I guess is what they did in the modeling process. Anyway, check out the Line6 forum for the PODs, called Channel 6. Every so often a thread gets started where experienced users start uploading their preset bundles. A great way to really learn what the XTl is capable of. Chris At 04:43 PM 2/21/2007, you wrote: >I have it. Not a huge fan. Its ok for some stuff, but it munches >cpu like crazy. I just got a Pod LiveXT which I like very, very >much. On headphones it sounds ok, but through my Mackie 450's, it >sounds positively HUGE. > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: mark sottilaro > > > Wait... didn't you say yesterday that you'd never buy > > a product from NI ever again? ;) > > > > I took a listen to Guitar Rig 2 and while I found the > > tone to be good (but very NI) and the ability to set > > up ADSR envelops to control effects very nice... it > > didn't do it for me. The "feel" wasn't there. I > > imagine what I'm missing is related to latency. I > > seem OK with it in the synth world but when it comes > > to guitar it bothers me. Seems like it would be > > perfect to record a nice clean tone into and be able > > to mess with it during the mix process though. > > > > So what about that NI sound, eh? Personally I love it > > but it's so there in every product they make. When I > > c hecked out Massive the first thing I thought was, > > "Woah, sounds like Reaktor." > > > > When I figured I'd have to have something to control > > it anyway it just didn't make sense from a cost/weight > > stance. Also factor in that it's pretty CPU hungry. > > When the dust settled it seemed that my Vox > > Tonelab/Lexicon MPX1 rig was clearly the way to go. > > > > Mark > > > > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > > > Hi List, > > > > > > I had a chance to try out Guitar Rig 2 and found an > > > annoying problem. > > > If you assign a MIDI expression pedal to some > > > parameter (like wha- > > > wha, volume or delay feedback) some rig patches > > > create a crackling > > > noise when the MIDI CC data is streaming. Have other > > > GR2 user noticed > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > > > ____ > > Need Mail bonding? > > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers > users. > > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: >2/20/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 01:44:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 906723BF24; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221205052.0277bc88@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:51:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: RE: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? In-Reply-To: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> References: <008701c75606$ade35da0$9715be18@oemcomputer> <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4D0736D8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:44:37 +0000 (UTC) At 06:03 PM 2/21/2007, you wrote: > It would be interesting to build some algorithm in Max that > generates a >music form based on golden section or one of the other similarly >pleasing Or, a reverb or chorus or any other effect ... Anybody designed a reverb impulse, algorhythm etc. around the golden ratio yet? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 01:45:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 812323BF15; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221204200.027721f8@sympatico.ca> References: <022120072143.27411.45DCBD0100041F6100006B132216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <6.2.5.6.2.20070221204200.027721f8@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-16-528025094 Message-Id: <19bd0a8a4f866b3dc01986e87951e860@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Anyone Using the Digitech Vocalist Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:45:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <--1tFB.A.O0B.UXP3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:45:56 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-16-528025094 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Miles, Severe Tech Guru and Master of the Purple Marching Flatulator (Sousaphone) sent me a file by Imogene Heap last night that I'm pretty sure is using a Digitech Vocalist or an earlier version. Have any of you used them and if so, whaddya tink? It sounded very cool. And supposedly the new one can track either an acoustic or electric guitar! And they're pretty cheap. I wonder.... richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Feb-07, at 5:43 PM, Chris Smart wrote: > I also have the PODxt Live and love it, yes, through speakers or a PA! > Through headphones it sounds like what would result if I took a good > guitar amp, and stuck my head right up next to it, which, I guess is > what they did in the modeling process. Anyway, check out the Line6 > forum for the PODs, called Channel 6. Every so often a thread gets > started where experienced users start uploading their preset bundles. > A great way to really learn what the XTl is capable of. > Chris > > At 04:43 PM 2/21/2007, you wrote: > >> I have it. Not a huge fan. Its ok for some stuff, but it munches cpu >> like crazy. I just got a Pod LiveXT which I like very, very much. On >> headphones it sounds ok, but through my Mackie 450's, it sounds >> positively HUGE. >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: mark sottilaro >> >> > Wait... didn't you say yesterday that you'd never buy >> > a product from NI ever again? ;) >> > >> > I took a listen to Guitar Rig 2 and while I found the >> > tone to be good (but very NI) and the ability to set >> > up ADSR envelops to control effects very nice... it >> > didn't do it for me. The "feel" wasn't there. I >> > imagine what I'm missing is related to latency. I >> > seem OK with it in the synth world but when it comes >> > to guitar it bothers me. Seems like it would be >> > perfect to record a nice clean tone into and be able >> > to mess with it during the mix process though. >> > >> > So what about that NI sound, eh? Personally I love it >> > but it's so there in every product they make. When I >> > c hecked out Massive the first thing I thought was, >> > "Woah, sounds like Reaktor." >> > >> > When I figured I'd have to have something to control >> > it anyway it just didn't make sense from a cost/weight >> > stance. Also factor in that it's pretty CPU hungry. >> > When the dust settled it seemed that my Vox >> > Tonelab/Lexicon MPX1 rig was clearly the way to go. >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > >> > --- Per Boysen wrote: >> > >> > > Hi List, >> > > >> > > I had a chance to try out Guitar Rig 2 and found an >> > > annoying problem. >> > > If you assign a MIDI expression pedal to some >> > > parameter (like wha- >> > > wha, volume or delay feedback) some rig patches >> > > create a crackling >> > > noise when the MIDI CC data is streaming. Have other >> > > GR2 user noticed >> > > this? >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> __________ >> > ____ >> > Need Mail bonding? >> > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. >> > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 >> > >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: >> 2/20/2007 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: > 2/20/2007 > --Apple-Mail-16-528025094 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Miles, Severe Tech Guru and Master of the Purple Marching Flatulator (Sousaphone) sent me a file by Imogene Heap last night that I'm pretty sure is using a Digitech Vocalist or an earlier version. Have any of you used them and if so, whaddya tink? It sounded very cool. And supposedly the new one can track either an acoustic or electric guitar! And they're pretty cheap. I wonder.... Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Feb-07, at 5:43 PM, Chris Smart wrote: I also have the PODxt Live and love it, yes, through speakers or a PA! Through headphones it sounds like what would result if I took a good guitar amp, and stuck my head right up next to it, which, I guess is what they did in the modeling process. Anyway, check out the Line6 forum for the PODs, called Channel 6. Every so often a thread gets started where experienced users start uploading their preset bundles. A great way to really learn what the XTl is capable of. Chris At 04:43 PM 2/21/2007, you wrote: I have it. Not a huge fan. Its ok for some stuff, but it munches cpu like crazy. I just got a Pod LiveXT which I like very, very much. On headphones it sounds ok, but through my Mackie 450's, it sounds positively HUGE. -------------- Original message -------------- From: mark sottilaro < > Wait... didn't you say yesterday that you'd never buy > a product from NI ever again? ;) > > I took a listen to Guitar Rig 2 and while I found the > tone to be good (but very NI) and the ability to set > up ADSR envelops to control effects very nice... it > didn't do it for me. The "feel" wasn't there. I > imagine what I'm missing is related to latency. I > seem OK with it in the synth world but when it comes > to guitar it bothers me. Seems like it would be > perfect to record a nice clean tone into and be able > to mess with it during the mix process though. > > So what about that NI sound, eh? Personally I love it > but it's so there in every product they make. When I > c hecked out Massive the first thing I thought was, > "Woah, sounds like Reaktor." > > When I figured I'd have to have something to control > it anyway it just didn't make sense from a cost/weight > stance. Also factor in that it's pretty CPU hungry. > When the dust settled it seemed that my Vox > Tonelab/Lexicon MPX1 rig was clearly the way to go. > > Mark > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > Hi List, > > > > I had a chance to try out Guitar Rig 2 and found an > > annoying problem. > > If you assign a MIDI expression pedal to some > > parameter (like wha- > > wha, volume or delay feedback) some rig patches > > create a crackling > > noise when the MIDI CC data is streaming. Have other > > GR2 user noticed > > this? > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 --Apple-Mail-16-528025094-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 01:55:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41EF13BF2E; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Anyone Using the Digitech Vocalist Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:54:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <19bd0a8a4f866b3dc01986e87951e860@glasswing.com> Thread-Index: AcdWIzNtK5ixC80VQnOAo/Ohkqtl/gAAOmcg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070222015500.QLCE233.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:55:01 +0000 (UTC) I like harmonizers . . . I started off with two SPX-90 units, moved to a bunch of Digitech units, and have landed on the TC VoiceLive for now. It rocks! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 02:02:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 663773BF25; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.35] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.35} Message-ID: <20070221200254.nn8y2omujo0w0s80@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:02:54 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone Using the Digitech Vocalist References: <022120072143.27411.45DCBD0100041F6100006B132216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <6.2.5.6.2.20070221204200.027721f8@sympatico.ca> <19bd0a8a4f866b3dc01986e87951e860@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <19bd0a8a4f866b3dc01986e87951e860@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <8EcX7D.A.2qC.QnP3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Richard Sales : > ...Digitech Vocalist or an earlier version. Have any of > you used them and if so, whaddya tink? I have a Digitech Vocalist II on my equipment rack. I have used it in =20 its so-called "Vocoder" mode that allows midi note messages to =20 determine the pitches that are made by the Digitech (although, this =20 isn't the same sound as a real vocoder). Alone, the Digitech output =20 sounds pretty "fakey" however... if you mix it thoughtfully with the =20 primary signal, you can get some very sweet effects. I haven't really recorded much with the Digitech -- however a month =20 after I took up the Theremin I did an arrangement of "Take Me Out to =20 the Ballgame" wherein I used the Vocalist II. In the "break" section =20 (in the middle of the recording) you can hear some hummed chords in =20 the background -- the sound is my Theremax theremin that is run =20 through the Vocalist. http://kevinkissinger.com/thereminmp3.shtml (scroll to the bottom to =20 find the track) Incidentally, this was a contest piece for Thereminworld which is how =20 I ended up playing this. (Don't mean to brag, but my prize was a =20 genuine Thereminworld.com t-shirt! Woohoo! :) ) Sorry, don't have any looped work yet but am working on some new =20 tracks that utilize looping. To listen to music from looper-delight =20 folks and to read your posts have provided much inspiration and when I =20 have some looped music to share, I will do so. Anyway... to get back on topic... if you can pick up a harmonizer, go =20 for it. They are a lot of fun and, with some patience, you can get =20 some great sounds out of them. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 03:00:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E5A83BF24; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 03:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.249.108.250] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070222013658.C27C83BF34@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: pitch pu and pther musical paradoxes Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:59:55 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2007 02:59:59.0521 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A2F2110:01C7562D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 03:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Charles Lucy is an yportant tuning rheorist ,checlk out his site for info on tuning ,golden ratio,p, phi etc. _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms http://www.NexTag.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 03:09:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 512FB3BF25; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 03:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dm" To: Subject: RE: wireless headset microphones for looping Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:09:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <45DCDDB1.8020200@infinivert.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <5SWPn.A.3UF.YlQ3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 03:09:13 +0000 (UTC) I've used a Crown CK 312 for about 5 years, running through an EV transmitter/receiver. It routes through a 'cough drop', then a Whirlwind 3-way mic splitter (after the receiver, of course) and send 1 line dry to the FOH board, 1 line dry to my IE monitor mixer and one to the mixer in my loop rack for vocal looping. I can not imagine working without it, now. The 312 is a hypercardioid condenser mic. It's not as discreet from feedback as the better known 311 and if I did a lot with a full band, I be concerned about bleed through. But, for my purposes, it's near perfect. Except that it has the appearance of an orthodontic devise.... If you are going to use a wireless headset, I cannot over recommend a "Cough Drop"; momentary interrupt switch. Once that mic is in place and your hands are full, you cannot back off of it for any reason. -dm www.fixedfocus.org ============ L.A. Angulo wrote: > I am curious to know if anybody is using such > micros,good brands for the buck, advantages > disadvantages etc. one of the problems i have when > singing and looping a b c parts is having to step on > the next loop button quick enough so it got me > thinking about this.On the other hand i like to loop > hand percussion so i see i would still have a separate > micro. > Any thoughts,experiences? > cheers > Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 05:02:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69BD13BF21; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 05:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20070221200254.nn8y2omujo0w0s80@69.89.21.76> References: <022120072143.27411.45DCBD0100041F6100006B132216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <6.2.5.6.2.20070221204200.027721f8@sympatico.ca> <19bd0a8a4f866b3dc01986e87951e860@glasswing.com> <20070221200254.nn8y2omujo0w0s80@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-539843578 Message-Id: <186cc10f2e065516a1f83b7d76914f83@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Anyone Using the Digitech Vocalist Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:02:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 05:02:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-539843578 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Oh my gosh YES! I went to your site before! I love it - had a big smile going! Made me want to cheer for Harmon Killebrew and scarf down a (tofu) dog! I guess Harmon Killebrew might be DATING (and locating) me a bit, eh!? The vox effects on that sound just fine. The only harmonizer I've ever used is the one in my throat, the one on the Roland Guitar Synth and the Ensoniq DP4. I'll check it out! Thanks Kevin, richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Feb-07, at 6:02 PM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Quoting Richard Sales : > >> ...Digitech Vocalist or an earlier version. Have any of >> you used them and if so, whaddya tink? > > I have a Digitech Vocalist II on my equipment rack. I have used it in > its so-called "Vocoder" mode that allows midi note messages to > determine the pitches that are made by the Digitech (although, this > isn't the same sound as a real vocoder). Alone, the Digitech output > sounds pretty "fakey" --Apple-Mail-1-539843578 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Oh my gosh YES! I went to your site before! I love it - had a big smile going! Made me want to cheer for Harmon Killebrew and scarf down a (tofu) dog! I guess Harmon Killebrew might be DATING (and locating) me a bit, eh!? The vox effects on that sound just fine. The only harmonizer I've ever used is the one in my throat, the one on the Roland Guitar Synth and the Ensoniq DP4. I'll check it out! Thanks Kevin, Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Feb-07, at 6:02 PM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: Quoting Richard Sales <: ...Digitech Vocalist or an earlier version. Have any of you used them and if so, whaddya tink? I have a Digitech Vocalist II on my equipment rack. I have used it in its so-called "Vocoder" mode that allows midi note messages to determine the pitches that are made by the Digitech (although, this isn't the same sound as a real vocoder). Alone, the Digitech output sounds pretty "fakey" --Apple-Mail-1-539843578-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 05:10:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E04B53BF21; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 05:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20070222015500.QLCE233.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20070222015500.QLCE233.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-540270856 Message-Id: <8efe0e94cd710048e9d99c939fd72858@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Anyone Using the Digitech Vocalist Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:09:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 05:10:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-540270856 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sweet! I'll check it out!!!!! Thanks Gary. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Feb-07, at 5:54 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > I like harmonizers . . . > I started off with two SPX-90 units, moved to a bunch of Digitech > units, and > have landed on the TC VoiceLive for now. It rocks! > Gary > --Apple-Mail-3-540270856 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Sweet! I'll check it out!!!!! Thanks Gary. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Feb-07, at 5:54 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: I like harmonizers . . . I started off with two SPX-90 units, moved to a bunch of Digitech units, and have landed on the TC VoiceLive for now. It rocks! Gary --Apple-Mail-3-540270856-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 05:34:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7DCE3BF0E; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 05:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:33:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 05:34:03 +0000 (UTC) By the way, before I give my two cents to this question, Margaret Noble and her video partner in crime, Edyta Stepien, will be flying all the way from Chicago to perform at the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival (http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/). I am very excited to have her there. Now to the question and my answer, which no doubt will ruffle some feathers and may even agitate someone, as it is not one of those "status quo" philosophies that makes everyon feel warm and fuzzy inside...but I have to speak my mind. For at least 15 years I have considered myself an "aesthetic non-cognitivist," meaning I reject the possibility that there is such a thing as an aesthetic fact, evaluative fact, factual value statement, or whatever one would like to call these ontological chimeras I consider them meaningless. So when I see the question, "What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellent composition?", I consider that a question that warrants not a statement of fact about the inherent properties of any piece of music or performer, but a statement that is a reflection of one's emotive response to a piece of music, performer, or the idea of composition, etc. In short, I believe that statements of the sort, "X is Excellent", "X is good", "X is bad", "X is better than Y", and so on , in light of music and art aesthetics are devoid of literal, i.e., factual meaning, and must be re-translated into "X makes me feel good", "X makes me feel bad", "X makes me feel better than Y", and so on. These are entirely subjective statements, denoting private and introspective emotive states. So the answer to the question is not an objective one, in my opinion here, and based on my reflections on the topic over the years; rather the answer to the question is either meaningless (if stated in the "X is Excellent because...", or the answers are as numerous as there are people on the planet (if stated as "X makes me feel good", etc). I would argue, however, there is some factor of delight and/or emotional resonance among those who respond to questions of the above nature, even if those responses are translated into subjective/emotive statements, in the same way the human beings feel better when they tell each other how they feel, and they share common feelings. It generates a sense of unity and harmony among individuals; though I would argue does not generate any so-called objective truth or even the slightest and most remote probability about the inherent or actual properties of music or a performer, as I believe statements of this nature have no cognitive import. We may as well be asking questions like "What is the ultimate Good?", or "What is Perfection?", which are "in principle" similar questions as "What constitutes Excellence?", and which may have been interesting over two thousands years ago when Plato was positing the existence of non-physical and ideal "forms", as components of the real world, vs. the mere shadows of reality we experience via our senses....but today, there are many other analytical philosophies invited to the party, which dispense with those sort of questions. No disrespect to your original question and intent, Margaret...just my honest and sincere response. Cheers! :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 05:54:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2B833BF1E; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 05:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:message-id; b=QSfryKch0uLPqW9y0o0nDJeSZmmO3TJ/TjsxnqA0imPmaJuOcOsvwhoTPPgHqUkd6Gm4alPJz8JYqe5oDopFcE+E7iiE8q3lB+Gn1a8JxA0vwfQj/IFlS29ILAPe7iZc+BzIyhm10a5kUM2f1gkj8tyTrV5vrsgOUhaIKdHEpxM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:message-id; b=mlkVPkxo+lJhtSk6CS6IbY2rTBGz7n/paauWuGMLk4/mYhH2FUV/1bH5HjoAblgMI1Fu+hmGROIHCRuDLlxN794OSVZhTK1d1a6HwA/XyvPp3He62UeaAsQxk73teh/GvIhBotv6fFh/m3J9RuFYdzy1oq+Ducbg8EmlWfyzaF4= Reply-To: From: "Miles Ward" To: Subject: RE: Anyone Using the Digitech Vocalist Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:56:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01C75603.29F08E30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcdWIzcA+kxFW5nwQLef9+Xz0tQb6QAIvrMw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <19bd0a8a4f866b3dc01986e87951e860@glasswing.com> Message-ID: <45dd300c.2f2c61a4.4229.5f40@mx.google.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 05:54:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C75603.29F08E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hehehe you rock. -Miles _____ From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 5:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Anyone Using the Digitech Vocalist Miles, Severe Tech Guru and Master of the Purple Marching Flatulator (Sousaphone) sent me a file by Imogene Heap last night that I'm pretty sure is using a Digitech Vocalist or an earlier version. Have any of you used them and if so, whaddya tink? It sounded very cool. And supposedly the new one can track either an acoustic or electric guitar! And they're pretty cheap. I wonder.... richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Feb-07, at 5:43 PM, Chris Smart wrote: I also have the PODxt Live and love it, yes, through speakers or a PA! Through headphones it sounds like what would result if I took a good guitar amp, and stuck my head right up next to it, which, I guess is what they did in the modeling process. Anyway, check out the Line6 forum for the PODs, called Channel 6. Every so often a thread gets started where experienced users start uploading their preset bundles. A great way to really learn what the XTl is capable of. Chris At 04:43 PM 2/21/2007, you wrote: I have it. Not a huge fan. Its ok for some stuff, but it munches cpu like crazy. I just got a Pod LiveXT which I like very, very much. On headphones it sounds ok, but through my Mackie 450's, it sounds positively HUGE. -------------- Original message -------------- From: mark sottilaro > Wait... didn't you say yesterday that you'd never buy > a product from NI ever again? ;) > > I took a listen to Guitar Rig 2 and while I found the > tone to be good (but very NI) and the ability to set > up ADSR envelops to control effects very nice... it > didn't do it for me. The "feel" wasn't there. I > imagine what I'm missing is related to latency. I > seem OK with it in the synth world but when it comes > to guitar it bothers me. Seems like it would be > perfect to record a nice clean tone into and be able > to mess with it during the mix process though. > > So what about that NI sound, eh? Personally I love it > but it's so there in every product they make. When I > c hecked out Massive the first thing I thought was, > "Woah, sounds like Reaktor." > > When I figured I'd have to have something to control > it anyway it just didn't make sense from a cost/weight > stance. Also factor in that it's pretty CPU hungry. > When the dust settled it seemed that my Vox > Tonelab/Lexicon MPX1 rig was clearly the way to go. > > Mark > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > Hi List, > > > > I had a chance to try out Guitar Rig 2 and found an > > annoying problem. > > If you assign a MIDI expression pedal to some > > parameter (like wha- > > wha, volume or delay feedback) some rig patches > > create a crackling > > noise when the MIDI CC data is streaming. Have other > > GR2 user noticed > > this? > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ > ____ > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C75603.29F08E30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hehehe you = rock.

-Miles

 


From: = Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February = 21, 2007 5:46 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Anyone Using the = Digitech Vocalist

 

Miles, Severe = Tech Guru and Master of the Purple Marching Flatulator (Sousaphone) sent me a file = by Imogene Heap last night that I'm pretty sure is using a Digitech Vocalist or an = earlier version. Have any of you used them and if so, whaddya tink? It sounded = very cool. And supposedly the new one can track either an acoustic or = electric guitar! And they're pretty cheap. I wonder....

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On 21-Feb-07, at 5:43 PM, Chris Smart = wrote:

I also have = the PODxt Live and love it, yes, through speakers or a PA! Through headphones it = sounds like what would result if I took a good guitar amp, and stuck my head = right up next to it, which, I guess is what they did in the modeling process. = Anyway, check out the Line6 forum for the PODs, called Channel 6. Every so often = a thread gets started where experienced users start uploading their preset bundles. A great way to really learn what the XTl is capable of.
Chris

At 04:43 PM 2/21/2007, you wrote:

I have it. Not a huge fan. Its ok for some stuff, but it munches = cpu like crazy. I just got a Pod LiveXT which I like very, very much. On = headphones it sounds ok, but through my Mackie 450's, it sounds positively = HUGE.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com>

> Wait... didn't you say yesterday that you'd never buy
> a product from NI ever again? ;)
>
> I took a listen to Guitar Rig 2 and while I found the
> tone to be good (but very NI) and the ability to set
> up ADSR envelops to control effects very nice... it
> didn't do it for me. The "feel" wasn't there. I
> imagine what I'm missing is related to latency. I
> seem OK with it in the synth world but when it comes
> to guitar it bothers me. Seems like it would be
> perfect to record a nice clean tone into and be able
> to mess with it during the mix process though.
>
> So what about that NI sound, eh? Personally I love it
> but it's so there in every product they make. When I
> c hecked out Massive the first thing I thought was,
> "Woah, sounds like Reaktor."
>
> When I figured I'd have to have something to control
> it anyway it just didn't make sense from a cost/weight
> stance. Also factor in that it's pretty CPU hungry.
> When the dust settled it seemed that my Vox
> Tonelab/Lexicon MPX1 rig was clearly the way to go.
>
> Mark
>
>
> --- Per Boysen wrote:
>
> > Hi List,
> >
> > I had a chance to try out Guitar Rig 2 and found an
> > annoying problem.
> > If you assign a MIDI = expression pedal to some
> > parameter (like wha-
> > wha, volume or delay feedback) some rig patches
> > create a crackling
> > noise when the MIDI CC data is streaming. Have other
> > GR2 user noticed
> > this?
>
> >
>
>
>
>
> = _________________________________________________________________________= _______
> ____
> Need Mail bonding?
> Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers = users.
> http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=3Dlist&sid=3D396546091
>



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------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C75603.29F08E30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 06:05:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B68C03BF37; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 06:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:message-id; b=FiWNJvQzN6C4B1fEj5lyURuKSiVHIh2CehQOTI3/PP3yE8LDLx45EQmYcmfK3LEtEWa59XMBCU8bo3dImoYBxSVpMChdDZquEDKT3WlJHtPKXA9ZkDyfBMIHm3budVFuusGD7zezNc8X0BJNsfdCUlg8q//W6HF4HJMl0HHPxy4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:message-id; b=AvZNYgu5huUa/BnpbHUU4F5334TZ8v3JVv+x0RK4L6kwuZd8emCmY0rR2rG55ozKPzCgnRNJQ2tNIX9UiE0pGa3nqjArNtk8yHdh8+4bnC0Z9Eb4JugM9Vp14OBnOUBaNNMtFQOe3j7Hj/4BXsfp1uMmca7VM6yq3Fe1oZprcxE= Reply-To: From: "Miles Ward" To: Subject: RE: What do you think is necessary in order to have anexcellentcomposition? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:07:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcdV9GgV9zDmKYQ/TPqBUdrBKThzKwAUjOug X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <20070221141049.nho87t3nuossows8@69.89.21.76> Message-ID: <45dd3296.3628cf7b.7bdf.61a9@mx.google.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 06:05:16 +0000 (UTC) The number you're talkin' about, 1.618, also stated as the number furthest from being resolvable as a fraction, or Phi, is the golden ratio. The Fibonnaci sequence is an integer expression of the Phi ratio. Phi's used in lots and lots of musical contexts, from all Advent speaker box dimensions (and lots of others) to several basic dimensions in acoustic guitars, and the humans who play them (waist to full body, wrist to forearm, etc). Tool's song Lateralus has Fibonnaci sequence numbers of syllables for the verse lyrics (all of that against rotating bars of 7,8,9 for the chorus...) BT has a song called 1.618 on his most recent album, and it's got some _really_ wacky stuff going on. The prettiest way I've heard it talked about is nature's tipping point. It's the expression of switching cost, where nature says "50% sure isn't sure enough to build a whole extra one.. now 61.8% sure, that's the ticket" Just thought I'd add where I can, you guys are an amazing group! -Miles -----Original Message----- From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com [mailto:kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have anexcellentcomposition? > I beg to differ. The Golden Mean exists outside of time. You observe the > golden mean as a whole. Music exists in time. You don't know how much music > is ahead (i.e., how much of the ratio is left) until you get to the end. You > don't observe music as a whole until it's over. I've listened to some of > Bartok's pieces which are written around the Golden Mean, and I don't hear > it. I like the music, but I don't hear it. Bartok is one of my favorites! > But tell me, what songs use the Golden Mean? Maybe if I listen more, I'll > begin to notice it. Well, I can't even remember the exact ratio -- it is around 61% -- just under two-thirds. This suggests that for a work that lasts say, three minutes, the climactic passage (or "the payoff" if you will) would occur around the two minute point. Generally, I expect that climax of my music to occur well... around 2/3 into the work. Perhaps a jam-session can be used to provide a simple explanation. Back in my teenage years, sometimes a few friends and I would get together to make some music in the basement. And what did we do? Well... we did what a lot of kids do... we did a 12-bar blues jam. And, true to teenage form, we all poured incredible energy into the music however by the fourth repetition, there was nowhere left to go! With experience comes a notion of "holding back" ... start out slow and let the music gain momentum... build to a climax over a longer period of time... then let it wind down naturally. Composers, too, often build works along these lines just doing what "clicked" for them. At some point in academia, someone came up with the "Golden Section" idea -- would this ratio somehow correspond to the buildup of formal compositions? And, well... many musical examples corresponded (more or less) to this ratio. It has been applied to work from all musical periods. As far as a specific example... well, I have never measured it with a stopwatch but the final movement from Mahler's 9th has a huge climax that is roughly 2/3 of the way through. A lot of times, when the music just seems to "flow" we are unaware of the underlying form, proportion, or whatever. I have yet to hear someone exclaim upon hear a new work, "Wow. The Golden Section was really cool!". When music doesn't quite "click" ... then we may become aware of something that is out of proportion (too long, too short, too much of this, not enough of that). Often the "not clicking" is due to some underlying technicality and may not always just be due to a lack of passion, inspiration, or whatever from the composer. I wholeheartedly agree with the notion of creating music that "sounds good and feels good". However, when I create something that "just doesn't quite work" I tend to want to dig in a find out what I did that caused the situation. Thus, the Golden Section is a suggestion for the placement of a climax. At least for me, it isn't cast in stone. It is a little like the "Law of nine squares" in photography which serves as a suggestion for the placement of the main subject of a photo. Consider a movie -- if the climactic moment happens near the beginning, then the balance of the film may seem kind of bland. If the climax occurs in the final scene -- followed by the credits -- the audience may feel kind of "ripped off" (heaven knows, there were a lot of late 60's/early 70's movies that just ENDED... always left me feeling empty). The choice of where to place the BIG CLIMACTIC moment is an artistic one. The Golden Section is one possible position for the climax that tends to "work" most of the time. Thus, it is not a hard and fast rule. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 08:05:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5844C3BF24; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "greg williams" To: Subject: greetings; first post Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:05:21 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c75658$334c2ed0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcdWWDLv5XL6T7NCTEK9X2bMlihwTA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Greetings Folks, This is my first post although I've been reading and searching the archives almost daily for quite a while now. Thank you all for your fine and diverse talents, music and advice. I also had the great and somewhat dubious pleasure of meeting many of you at the Y2K6 10th Anniversary Party in Oakland this last October (thanks again for the fine beers Kim!), and I'm looking forward to Y2K7. I've just set up a myspace site featuring a few tracks from my almost finished first live-looping CD, and I was hoping for some feedback. The address is www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist Just so you know what you're in for, my modus operandi is one acoustic guitar and 2 EDPs, plus some other boxes and a truly obscene amount of audio cables. I've got a complete gear list on the myspace site if you're interested. Please give the stuff a listen when you get a chance and if you are so inclined, and thanks for listening in advance. I'm really looking forward to joining in on some discussions (for better or worse!) instead of just lurking anonymously behind the scenes. I think this is a really special list and community. Cheers! ~Greg Williams Sacramento, CA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 08:26:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 538C63BF1C; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.85] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070222055424.7E34A3BF2F@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: pitching pu Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:26:12 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2007 08:26:14.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DF35F10:01C7565B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Sorry it should say pitch,pi and other ,etc. _________________________________________________________________ Refi Now: Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-17727&moid=7581 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 08:57:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AEBD3BF25; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.85] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070222055424.7E34A3BF2F@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ontology and epistemology of aestheitics Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:57:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2007 08:57:23.0330 (UTC) FILETIME=[77B0B620:01C7565F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:57:24 +0000 (UTC) I wish more critics employed Kris's approach. I much prefer statements such as ,"I like x because it makes me feel x to statements like,this is good,this is crap ,you'll be happy if you buy this etc. Without getting into semiotics,I see meanings and asthetics as tending to have cultural elements that aren't purely subjective. In a culture that fetishizes individuality,and pushes the value of indivudual choice, as it supports consumerism subjective aesthetics can be described as culturally based. I'm also interested in psychoacoustics,how the physical effects of sound on the body affect mood,emotion etc. For example,loud fast rhythm being exciting ,or creating the feeling of excitement seems neither personal or cultural.Of course some individuals and societies may value such excitement,some disdain it,some forbid it and others institutionalise it.I other words they assign values/aesthetics to the physical responses in a culturally determined way,at least partially. _________________________________________________________________ Don’t miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from Microsoft® Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0540002499mrt/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 09:08:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C1E53BF22; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:08:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=H4ICNGKN424/7x07gfnotFHH0MovpAuXIzuCaDwrPq4A66wn4gd2379Z1vabULup; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <22050528.1172135296190.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:08:15 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ontology and epistemology of aestheitics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48a80f6300cff9459e3820305b2fd32fce08a8bb3e8e732a70350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:08:17 +0000 (UTC) samba say: ...I'm also interested in psychoacoustics,how the physical effects of sound >on the body affect mood,emotion etc... me three. stan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 10:14:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C42B3BF0E; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:14:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=zSj/01pkf7T4T1psf9ttvIpYTf9r8KifyrelTCs7T0jzN3lcTus5vdqRhQjGNPmH9kM0pL+SfXXGa6OuZ+cZUi86nwpSfFWiG5laiYwG0dvtyw0VY1J1fMKaSw+kInNLq3q3z3dNlOWgiv/yiPLeL70kS/1oTWsd7Ro10wlHSN8=; X-YMail-OSG: NAcunq8VM1n9pw1q4de2eH2MyLBOVgShslGi3bK1N0piCC1u34q9O9LPvCWT62BXrXxYPNiCYh3ohyC_iE5mJJNXjdZCTScXJGjiJ6UcjQLXgvzLHEXH2J3izQq_kyb1h_mu9Ej5Ayfn1w-- Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:14:45 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: greetings; first post To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c75658$334c2ed0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-322466368-1172139285=:70099" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <454048.70099.qm@web53010.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:14:46 +0000 (UTC) --0-322466368-1172139285=:70099 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Very interesting listening Greg, good use of interweaving lines and rhythms, and some solid melodies. Let us know when your CD is released, and if when you plan to visit the UK next. Stephen --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. --0-322466368-1172139285=:70099 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Very interesting listening Greg, good use of interweaving lines and rhythms, and some solid melodies.  Let us know when your CD is released, and if when you plan to visit the UK next.
Stephen


Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. --0-322466368-1172139285=:70099-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 10:49:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D4C93BF23; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAHMD3UXUSnIvk2dsb2JhbACPKgEBAQcODR2SFgEBAYFD Message-ID: <45DD72AF.30500@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:38:39 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:49:47 +0000 (UTC) > they feel, and they share common feelings. It generates a sense of unity > and harmony among individuals; though I would argue does not generate > any so-called objective truth Actually, if you read the question carefully, it is asking for something objective. ...and it's possible to draw objective conclusions from the responses. Let's take an example:- "Already it transpires that rigid adherence to serial systems is not exclusively considered to be a pre-requisite for good composition. " hmmm.............true or false? For it to be false, every answer to the thread (including yours) would have to have been deliberately misleading. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 11:27:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E77733BF21; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:27:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004a01c75674$5ba42e70$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <02B68CCC-0D20-427B-9EAB-C449E3383325@aol.com> <498991.78110.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3948.69.59.206.219.1172106791.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Subject: Re: the wake of the dinasours Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:26:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:27:05 +0000 (UTC) I'm reminded of a short skit from back in the days when Bill Maher was non-partisan and more funny, something like... "Coming to a State Fair near you! NIGHT RANGER! Jurassic Rock.... SOMETHING HAS SURVIVED!" Couldn't resist. :) Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 11:29:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B14F93BF27; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 06:26:56 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <45DD7E00.8030609@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:29:14 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special Focus on Max Corbacho from Barcelona. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Talisman" on ad21 Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#feb The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Sould of the Machine" by various artists on Windham Hill Records and released in 1987. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and on the internet. COMING THIS WEEK: THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, February 24 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh All times are EST / GMT-5 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 11:42:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71D673BF2D; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011b01c75676$93ffe820$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" , "margaret noble" Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 03:42:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Dear Margaret, I've been following this thread avidly (thanks for starting it) and wanted to chime in: Lately, I've been studying a book, trying to teach myself the basic Arabic Maqams (the scales that are most analagous to our Western Modal approach but with more than 12 tones per octave) There are examples in the excellent book that I'm working through and it's attendant CDS of listening to a pitch; the same pitch flattened half a step and the same pitch flattened a quarter tone lower. I'm trying to play these scales on Oud, Fretless Bass, Duduk,Bansuri Flute, Pocket Trumpet and Voice every day and it's been a real challenge (and really fun too). At first some of the quarter tones were challenging to my ear but the more I've learned to hear them (and find them on my fretless string instruments, or bend them on my trumpet, duduk, bansuri or voice) the more used to it I am getting. This has gotten to the point where some of these scales sound bad to my ears if they only use the 12 tones of tempered Western Classical music. I guess my point is that hearing is frequently contextual and sometimes it takes work or at least inadvertent exposure to a particular kind of music before we can 'hear' it. I know this is true of Gamelan for me as it sounded incredibly exotic and 'weird' to my ears when I first encountered it and now, it sounds completely normal. I remember the first time I heard Coltrane's "My Favorite Things". I must have been about 12 years old and my father was driving the long drive back from Carmel to San Jose when the local Carmel Jazz station played the whole thing (which was quite a long radio track for it's day). At the end of it, I asked my dad, "Hey Dad, why do you like this music.?" He turned around (we were in the backseat) and said with fatherly wisdom, "Maybe a better question is: Why DON'T you like this music." And I replied, "It has too many notes and it gives me a headache to listen to all of them." He just laughed, gently at that and nodded his head. I laugh, too (and feel sad as well as he passed away last month) at that memory because now that I am playing Avant Garde and Experimental Music Festivals regularly, Coltrane's most 'outside' music ("Ascencion, with two disparate quartets playing at once and completely freely) it sounds really 'inside' to me. "My Favorite Things" sounds like pop music to me by contrast. I can't even hear it being 'too much' for my ears any more. I've grown. Of course there will be 'Achey Breaky Heart' fans in the world who won't ever get your music, Margaret, but I wouldn't worry about that at all...........................what you do is beautiful and fully worthy of being considered with the world's best musical traditions. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 11:59:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A6893BF15; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <564E81E1-36BC-44A0-A0FB-CC62493ACEFA@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-564841841 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: ontology and epistemology of aestheitics Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:59:30 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:59:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-564841841 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Can I just say that this is my favourite thread subject for ages... what a great subject line... And a fascinating discussion. So anyway, how does looping help me get chicks? Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-4-564841841 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can I just say that this is my = favourite thread subject for ages... what a great subject line... And a = fascinating discussion.=A0

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= --Apple-Mail-4-564841841-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 12:20:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F98D3BF3A; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b001c7567b$e13288a0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <000001c75658$334c2ed0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> Subject: Re: greetings; first post Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:20:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2007 12:20:46.0049 (UTC) FILETIME=[E113DD10:01C7567B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Welcome Greg ! I'm now enyoining your "Action theme 2"... I love a lot that Reich approach. Well done ! fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ http://www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "greg williams" To: Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:05 AM Subject: greetings; first post > Greetings Folks, > > This is my first post although I've been reading and searching the > archives > almost daily for quite a while now. Thank you all for your fine and > diverse > talents, music and advice. I also had the great and somewhat dubious > pleasure of meeting many of you at the Y2K6 10th Anniversary Party in > Oakland this last October (thanks again for the fine beers Kim!), and I'm > looking forward to Y2K7. > > I've just set up a myspace site featuring a few tracks from my almost > finished first live-looping CD, and I was hoping for some feedback. The > address is www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist > > Just so you know what you're in for, my modus operandi is one acoustic > guitar and 2 EDPs, plus some other boxes and a truly obscene amount of > audio > cables. I've got a complete gear list on the myspace site if you're > interested. Please give the stuff a listen when you get a chance and if > you > are so inclined, and thanks for listening in advance. > > I'm really looking forward to joining in on some discussions (for better > or > worse!) instead of just lurking anonymously behind the scenes. I think > this > is a really special list and community. > > Cheers! > ~Greg Williams > Sacramento, CA > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/696 - Release Date: 21/02/2007 > 15.19 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 12:40:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9230A3BF1C; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:40:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAACoe3UXUSnIvk2dsb2JhbACPKgEBAQcODR2SDgEBAYFD Message-ID: <45DD8CA2.60209@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:29:22 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ontology and epistemology of aestheitics References: <564E81E1-36BC-44A0-A0FB-CC62493ACEFA@steve-lawson.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <564E81E1-36BC-44A0-A0FB-CC62493ACEFA@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9PQPbB.A.0JC.A9Y3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:40:32 +0000 (UTC) Steve Lawson wrote: > Can I just say that this is my favourite thread subject for ages... what > a great subject line... And a fascinating discussion. > > So anyway, how does looping help me get chicks? > not any way with your dress sense mate :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 13:00:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A5133BF1C; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005501c75681$84b5b7e0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <022120072143.27411.45DCBD0100041F6100006B132216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net><6.2.5.6.2.20070221204200.027721f8@sympatico.ca><19bd0a8a4f866b3dc01986e87951e860@glasswing.com> <20070221200254.nn8y2omujo0w0s80@69.89.21.76> Subject: Re: Anyone Using the Digitech Vocalist Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:01:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 X-Provags-ID2: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Z4tiqjJ1Ap1soFuqpm7ACXaaJruf/10AAFT01CKIwOapSUZY4d8JZHGXwNL4VYDN4ig/3ELZwnmubI2fCBtKJKP7cLf9VPGV/SaD13Gc9/IW8bejkOnVV Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:00:47 +0000 (UTC) i use a tc voice live playing the flute into it. to my disappointment it works only in the lower register. the tracking doesn't work with high pitches. besides that: great machine! tilmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 15:03:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C099F3BF22; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.84.126.202] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: ontology and epistemology of aestheitics Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:03:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2007 15:03:32.0308 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E38B940:01C75692] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:03:33 +0000 (UTC) I think you meant semantic, not semiotic ...... and individual, not indivudual ... and it is this whole string is more like asceticism than aesthetics (or aestheitics as in the subject)...... ps - do you know if they have finished the selection process for the bent festival ?? I put in an email and haven't heard anything .... so I'm wondering now. ciao- AL >From: "samba -" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: ontology and epistemology of aestheitics >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:57:18 -0800 > > > I wish more critics employed Kris's approach. I much prefer statements >such as ,"I like x because it makes me feel x to statements like,this is >good,this is crap ,you'll be happy if you buy this etc. > Without getting into semiotics,I see meanings and asthetics as tending >to have cultural elements that aren't purely subjective. In a culture that >fetishizes individuality,and pushes the value of indivudual choice, as it >supports consumerism subjective aesthetics can be described as culturally >based. > I'm also interested in psychoacoustics,how the physical effects of sound >on the body affect mood,emotion etc. For example,loud fast rhythm being >exciting ,or creating the feeling of excitement seems neither personal or >cultural.Of course some individuals and societies may value such >excitement,some disdain it,some forbid it and others institutionalise it.I >other words they assign values/aesthetics to the physical responses in a >culturally determined way,at least partially. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don’t miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from >Microsoft® Office Live >http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0540002499mrt/direct/01/ > _________________________________________________________________ http://homepage.msn.com/zune?icid=hmetagline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 15:12:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFED43BF1E; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:12:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=cZqrZd674oQsGuwrvXUrS3+VuVsgBKUTqpcMJOKRJ2jNoVrpYBsBluBSJKJsu8rI4T8aLPlwNlBpjvPDmbmnzdXRrrDYKrjNaIR3bfgbfM+FeUisrDXR3sk9dK08LsBm8+jHSDE/+rPkTNVNgAIUHjg47GRg6fnWxvLDNK7UOWk=; X-YMail-OSG: rTK6zTQVM1ndiZT608tvGlI7SCnbgCeF0B34_L273VOPB7ybvkz0fYHQ7LoY9pQm9Q-- Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:12:38 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: the wake of the dinasours To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004a01c75674$5ba42e70$0207a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2038930786-1172157158=:62284" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <930479.62284.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:12:40 +0000 (UTC) --0-2038930786-1172157158=:62284 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (Bill Maher was non-partisan and more funny) I'll bet Dennis Miller became funnier to you in the past few years! Stephen Goodman wrote: I'm reminded of a short skit from back in the days when Bill Maher was non-partisan and more funny, something like... "Coming to a State Fair near you! NIGHT RANGER! Jurassic Rock.... SOMETHING HAS SURVIVED!" Couldn't resist. :) Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. --0-2038930786-1172157158=:62284 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(Bill Maher was non-partisan and more funny)
 
I'll bet Dennis Miller became funnier to you in the past few years!

Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
I'm reminded of a short skit from back in the days when Bill Maher was
non-partisan and more funny, something like...

"Coming to a State Fair near you! NIGHT RANGER! Jurassic Rock....
SOMETHING HAS SURVIVED!"

Couldn't resist. :)
Stephen Goodman
*
* Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
* http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
* The Loop Of The Week since 1996!
* http://www.earthlight.net/Studios




Get your own web address.
Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. --0-2038930786-1172157158=:62284-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 15:13:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD1523BF21; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <564E81E1-36BC-44A0-A0FB-CC62493ACEFA@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <564E81E1-36BC-44A0-A0FB-CC62493ACEFA@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-576471639 Message-Id: <4a44003a418a79f4b5f302aafe067dd3@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: ontology and epistemology of aestheitics Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:13:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:13:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-576471639 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Steve - Just let them know you're a master of Pie. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 22-Feb-07, at 3:59 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: > So anyway, how does looping help me get chicks?=A0=A0 > Steve --Apple-Mail-1-576471639 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Steve - Just let them know you're a master of Pie. =20 Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 22-Feb-07, at 3:59 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: So anyway, how does looping help me get chicks?=A0=A0 Steve = --Apple-Mail-1-576471639-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 15:14:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1736C3BF2F; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000001c75658$334c2ed0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> References: <000001c75658$334c2ed0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-576541120 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: greetings; first post Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:14:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:14:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-576541120 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Nice work, Greg! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 22-Feb-07, at 12:05 AM, greg williams wrote: > Greetings Folks, > > This is my first post although I've been reading and searching the > archives --Apple-Mail-2-576541120 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Nice work, Greg! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 22-Feb-07, at 12:05 AM, greg williams wrote: Greetings Folks, This is my first post although I've been reading and searching the archives --Apple-Mail-2-576541120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 15:30:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39D0A3BF07; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:30:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0cd601c75696$5ca2e150$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DD72AF.30500@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:30:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:30:23 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" >> they feel, and they share common feelings. It generates a sense of unity >> and harmony among individuals; though I would argue does not generate any >> so-called objective truth > > Actually, if you read the question carefully, it is asking for something > objective. ...and it's possible to draw objective conclusions from the > responses. Asking and getting are two different things, just as saying something is true, false, or objective does not entail that it is. > Let's take an example:- > > "Already it transpires that rigid adherence to serial systems is not > exclusively considered to be a pre-requisite for good composition. " > > hmmm.............true or false? That's easy...neither, if you follow and use the gist of my original response as a starting point (that's the premise for my response). The gist is that some statements are neither true nor false, because they aren't statements in the factual sense, only appear to be by syntax. But you are free to use a different set of premises to support a different concusion....but then you wouldn't disputing my logic at that point, just my initial assumptions. We are probably talking about diffrerent definitions of "objectivity" here. I am using the more formal and philosophical concept. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 15:32:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 028413BF48; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0cf101c75696$9daa1100$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <564E81E1-36BC-44A0-A0FB-CC62493ACEFA@steve-lawson.co.uk> Subject: Re: ontology and epistemology of aestheitics Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:32:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0CEE_01C7565B.F076AAF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:32:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0CEE_01C7565B.F076AAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Lawson=20 Can I just say that this is my favourite thread subject for ages... = what a great subject line... And a fascinating discussion.=20 So anyway, how does looping help me get chicks?=20 Only if you are hanging out at the Philosophy or Art deparment at a = local university! :) Otherwise, you've just sprayed yourself all over = with a large whopping can of "Girl-A-Away". Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0CEE_01C7565B.F076AAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Can I just say that this is my favourite thread subject = for=20 ages... what a great subject line... And a fascinating = discussion. 

So anyway, how does looping help me get chicks? 
=
Only if you are hanging out at the = Philosophy or=20 Art deparment at a local university!  :) Otherwise, you've just = sprayed=20 yourself all over with a large whopping can of=20 "Girl-A-Away".
Kris
 

------=_NextPart_000_0CEE_01C7565B.F076AAF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 16:06:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AE2E3BF22; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DDBF8F.4040104@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:06:39 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4U3s9.A.KhD.a-b3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:06:50 +0000 (UTC) I do enjoy aesthetic discussions, and am fairly severe on topics such as the opinion that art is anything that is created with the /pure /intention of evoking an /aesthetic /reaction...thus, a Porsche is not art. Etc. But I don't entirely agree that the merit of Art is based on subjective, isolated emotional reaction. I don't think it fallacious to state as a point of fact that Bach was a great composer, Shakespeare a great writer, Van Gogh a great painter, Michelangelo a great sculptor, all of whom created great works. My own emotional reaction isn't a solid basis to argue otherwise. There are criteria other then personal emotion to judge art; innovation, craft, and the perception of value over a period of time, fr'instance. Having said that, nobody can tell me what I /should/ like, or what /should/ have value to me. I'm not a fan of Mozart, yet to label his work as trash isn't for me to say. I also think the original question was indeed asking for personal reactions on excellent composition, as perceived by people making and listening to music. It'd be different if it were, "What are the standards that we should set to judge all compositions?". Would you argue that the question "What is Beauty?" is not a worthwhile topic for philosophical discussion? On this point, I'm just curious. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > By the way, before I give my two cents to this question, Margaret > Noble and her video partner in crime, Edyta Stepien, will be flying > all the way from Chicago to perform at the 2nd Annual Boise > Experimental Music Festival (http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/). I > am very excited to have her there. > > Now to the question and my answer, which no doubt will ruffle some > feathers and may even agitate someone, as it is not one of those > "status quo" philosophies that makes everyon feel warm and fuzzy > inside...but I have to speak my mind. For at least 15 years I have > considered myself an "aesthetic non-cognitivist," meaning I reject the > possibility that there is such a thing as an aesthetic fact, > evaluative fact, factual value statement, or whatever one would like > to call these ontological chimeras I consider them meaningless. So > when I see the question, "What do you think is necessary in order to > have an excellent composition?", I consider that a question that > warrants not a statement of fact about the inherent properties of any > piece of music or performer, but a statement that is a reflection of > one's emotive response to a piece of music, performer, or the idea of > composition, etc. In short, I believe that statements of the sort, "X > is Excellent", "X is good", "X is bad", "X is better than Y", and so > on , in light of music and art aesthetics are devoid of literal, i.e., > factual meaning, and must be re-translated into "X makes me feel > good", "X makes me feel bad", "X makes me feel better than Y", and so > on. These are entirely subjective statements, denoting private and > introspective emotive states. So the answer to the question is not an > objective one, in my opinion here, and based on my reflections on the > topic over the years; rather the answer to the question is either > meaningless (if stated in the "X is Excellent because...", or the > answers are as numerous as there are people on the planet (if stated > as "X makes me feel good", etc). > > I would argue, however, there is some factor of delight and/or > emotional resonance among those who respond to questions of the above > nature, even if those responses are translated into subjective/emotive > statements, in the same way the human beings feel better when they > tell each other how they feel, and they share common feelings. It > generates a sense of unity and harmony among individuals; though I > would argue does not generate any so-called objective truth or even > the slightest and most remote probability about the inherent or actual > properties of music or a performer, as I believe statements of this > nature have no cognitive import. We may as well be asking questions > like "What is the ultimate Good?", or "What is Perfection?", which are > "in principle" similar questions as "What constitutes Excellence?", > and which may have been interesting over two thousands years ago when > Plato was positing the existence of non-physical and ideal "forms", as > components of the real world, vs. the mere shadows of reality we > experience via our senses....but today, there are many other > analytical philosophies invited to the party, which dispense with > those sort of questions. > > No disrespect to your original question and intent, Margaret...just my > honest and sincere response. > > Cheers! :) > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 16:07:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90E383BF34; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:07:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ontology and epistemology of aestheitics Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:07:25 +0000 Message-Id: <022220071607.26851.45DDBFBD000992E5000068E32215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26851_1172160445_0" Resent-Message-ID: <7shtHD.A.6rD.C_b3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:07:30 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26851_1172160445_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit And we move swiftly to the subject of "Who listens to this shit anyway?" Answer: Not really anybody. I mean, I love it, but if you play "New" music for most people, they get that glazed look in their eye and start looking at their watch. But WHY do you play? Art? Expression? Money? Girls? It would be nice if all came together in one easy to digest package. Imagine hearing a hot chick say "Whoa did you see the size of his pedalboard?!!" Thats why I have 2 sometimes 3 setlists ready at all times. One for money, one for art and one more for money. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Krispen Hartung" ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Lawson Can I just say that this is my favourite thread subject for ages... what a great subject line... And a fascinating discussion. So anyway, how does looping help me get chicks? Only if you are hanging out at the Philosophy or Art deparment at a local university! :) Otherwise, you've just sprayed yourself all over with a large whopping can of "Girl-A-Away". 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And we move swiftly to the subject of "Who listens to this shit anyway?"
Answer: Not really anybody. I mean, I love it, but if you play "New" music for most people, they get that glazed look in their eye and start looking at their watch. But WHY do you play? Art? Expression? Money? Girls? It would be nice if all came together in one easy to digest package. Imagine hearing a hot chick say "Whoa did you see the size of his pedalboard?!!"
Thats why I have 2 sometimes 3 setlists ready at all times. One for money, one for art and one more for money.  
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>
----- Original Message -----
 

Can I just say that this is my favourite thread subject for ages... what a great subject line... And a fascinating discussion. 

So anyway, how does looping help me get chicks? 

Only if you are hanging out at the Philosophy or Art deparment at a local university!  :) Otherwise, you've just sprayed yourself all over with a large whopping can of "Girl-A-Away".
Kris
 

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26851_1172160445_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 16:08:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C85323BF1E; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:08:55 +0000 Message-Id: <022220071608.3268.45DDC016000C11E300000CC42215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3268_1172160535_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:08:56 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3268_1172160535_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I love both "Love me do" and the "Uncle Meat Variations" equally well. So, I have no idea. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Daryl Shawn > I do enjoy aesthetic discussions, and am fairly severe on topics such as > the opinion that art is anything that is created with the /pure > /intention of evoking an /aesthetic /reaction...thus, a Porsche is not > art. Etc. > > But I don't entirely agree that the merit of Art is based on subjective, > isolated emotional reaction. I don't think it fallacious to state as a > point of fact that Bach was a great composer, Shakespeare a great > writer, Van Gogh a great painter, Michelangelo a great sculptor, all of > whom created great works. My own emotional reaction isn't a solid basis > to argue otherwise. There are criteria other then personal emotion to > judge art; innovation, craft, and the perception of value over a period > of time, fr'instance. > > Having said that, nobody can tell me what I /should/ like, or what > /should/ have value to me. I'm not a fan of Mozart, yet to label his > work as trash isn't for me to say. > > I also think the original question was indeed asking for personal > reactions on excellent composition, as perceived by people making and > listening to music. It'd be different if it were, "What are the > standards that we should set to judge all compositions?". > > Would you argue that the question "What is Beauty?" is not a worthwhile > topic for philosophical discussion? On this point, I'm just curious. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > By the way, before I give my two cents to this question, Margaret > > Noble and her video partner in crime, Edyta Stepien, will be flying > > all the way from Chicago to perform at the 2nd Annual Boise > > Experimental Music Festival (http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/). I > > am very excited to have her there. > > > > Now to the question and my answer, which no doubt will ruffle some > > feathers and may even agitate someone, as it is not one of those > > "status quo" philosophies that makes everyon feel warm and fuzzy > > inside...but I have to speak my mind. For at least 15 years I have > > considered myself an "aesthetic non-cognitivist," meaning I reject the > > possibility that there is such a thing as an aesthetic fact, > > evaluative fact, factual value statement, or whatever one would like > > to call these ontological chimeras I consider them meaningless. So > > when I see the question, "What do you think is necessary in order to > > have an excellent composition?", I consider that a question that > > warrants not a statement of fact about the inherent properties of any > > piece of music or performer, but a statement that is a reflection of > > one's emotive response to a piece of music, performer, or the idea of > > composition, etc. In short, I believe that statements of the sort, "X > > is Excellent", "X is good", "X is bad", "X is better than Y", and so > > on , in light of music and art aesthetics are devoid of literal, i.e., > > factual meaning, and must be re-translated into "X makes me feel > > good", "X makes me feel bad", "X makes me feel better than Y", and so > > on. These are entirely subjective statements, denoting private and > > introspective emotive states. So the answer to the question is not an > > objective one, in my opinion here, and based on my reflections on the > > topic over the years; rather the answer to the question is either > > meaningless (if stated in the "X is Excellent because...", or the > > answers are as numerous as there are people on the planet (if stated > > as "X makes me feel good", etc). > > > > I would argue, however, there is some factor of delight and/or > > emotional resonance among those who respond to questions of the above > > nature, even if those responses are translated into subjective/emotive > > statements, in the same way the human beings feel better when they > > tell each other how they feel, and they share common feelings. It > > generates a sense of unity and harmony among individuals; though I > > would argue does not generate any so-called objective truth or even > > the slightest and most remote probability about the inherent or actual > > properties of music or a performer, as I believe statements of this > > nature have no cognitive import. We may as well be asking questions > > like "What is the ultimate Good?", or "What is Perfection?", which are > > "in principle" similar questions as "What constitutes Excellence?", > > and which may have been interesting over two thousands years ago when > > Plato was positing the existence of non-physical and ideal "forms", as > > components of the real world, vs. the mere shadows of reality we > > experience via our senses....but today, there are many other > > analytical philosophies invited to the party, which dispense with > > those sort of questions. > > > > No disrespect to your original question and intent, Margaret...just my > > honest and sincere response. > > > > Cheers! :) > > > > Kris > > > > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3268_1172160535_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I love both "Love me do" and the "Uncle Meat Variations" equally well. So, I have no idea.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com>

> I do enjoy aesthetic discussions, and am fairly severe on topics such as
> the opinion that art is anything that is created with the /pure
> /intention of evoking an /aesthetic /reaction...thus, a Porsche is not
> art. Etc.
>
> But I don't entirely agree that the merit of Art is based on subjective,
> isolated emotional reaction. I don't think it fallacious to state as a
> point of fact that Bach was a great composer, Shakespeare a great
> writer, Van Gogh a great painter, Michelangelo a great sculptor, all of
> whom created great works. My own emotional reaction isn't a solid basis
> to argue otherwise. There are criteria other then personal emotion to
> judge art; innovation, craft, and the perception of valu e over a period
> of time, fr'instance.
>
> Having said that, nobody can tell me what I /should/ like, or what
> /should/ have value to me. I'm not a fan of Mozart, yet to label his
> work as trash isn't for me to say.
>
> I also think the original question was indeed asking for personal
> reactions on excellent composition, as perceived by people making and
> listening to music. It'd be different if it were, "What are the
> standards that we should set to judge all compositions?".
>
> Would you argue that the question "What is Beauty?" is not a worthwhile
> topic for philosophical discussion? On this point, I'm just curious.
>
> Daryl Shawn
> www.swanwelder.com
> > By the way, before I give my two cents to this question, Margaret
> > Noble and her video partner in crime, Edyta Stepien, will be flying
> > all the way from Chicago to perform a t the 2nd Annual Boise
> > Experimental Music Festival (http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/). I
> > am very excited to have her there.
> >
> > Now to the question and my answer, which no doubt will ruffle some
> > feathers and may even agitate someone, as it is not one of those
> > "status quo" philosophies that makes everyon feel warm and fuzzy
> > inside...but I have to speak my mind. For at least 15 years I have
> > considered myself an "aesthetic non-cognitivist," meaning I reject the
> > possibility that there is such a thing as an aesthetic fact,
> > evaluative fact, factual value statement, or whatever one would like
> > to call these ontological chimeras I consider them meaningless. So
> > when I see the question, "What do you think is necessary in order to
> > have an excellent composition?", I consider that a question that
> > warra nts not a statement of fact about the inherent properties of any
> > piece of music or performer, but a statement that is a reflection of
> > one's emotive response to a piece of music, performer, or the idea of
> > composition, etc. In short, I believe that statements of the sort, "X
> > is Excellent", "X is good", "X is bad", "X is better than Y", and so
> > on , in light of music and art aesthetics are devoid of literal, i.e.,
> > factual meaning, and must be re-translated into "X makes me feel
> > good", "X makes me feel bad", "X makes me feel better than Y", and so
> > on. These are entirely subjective statements, denoting private and
> > introspective emotive states. So the answer to the question is not an
> > objective one, in my opinion here, and based on my reflections on the
> > topic over the years; rather the answer to the question is either
> > meanin gless (if stated in the "X is Excellent because...", or the
> > answers are as numerous as there are people on the planet (if stated
> > as "X makes me feel good", etc).
> >
> > I would argue, however, there is some factor of delight and/or
> > emotional resonance among those who respond to questions of the above
> > nature, even if those responses are translated into subjective/emotive
> > statements, in the same way the human beings feel better when they
> > tell each other how they feel, and they share common feelings. It
> > generates a sense of unity and harmony among individuals; though I
> > would argue does not generate any so-called objective truth or even
> > the slightest and most remote probability about the inherent or actual
> > properties of music or a performer, as I believe statements of this
> > nature have no cognitive import. We may a s well be asking questions
> > like "What is the ultimate Good?", or "What is Perfection?", which are
> > "in principle" similar questions as "What constitutes Excellence?",
> > and which may have been interesting over two thousands years ago when
> > Plato was positing the existence of non-physical and ideal "forms", as
> > components of the real world, vs. the mere shadows of reality we
> > experience via our senses....but today, there are many other
> > analytical philosophies invited to the party, which dispense with
> > those sort of questions.
> >
> > No disrespect to your original question and intent, Margaret...just my
> > honest and sincere response.
> >
> > Cheers! :)
> >
> > Kris
> >
> >
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3268_1172160535_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 16:18:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F33693BF4D; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 518579467 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7569D.006848B9" Subject: lexicon jam-man mods Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:17:52 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257999A@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: lexicon jam-man mods Thread-Index: AcdWm3zQWCM6pKm9TqCWSluMCAbtagAAHr8z References: <20070222160650.0ECFE3BF2E@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2007 16:17:52.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[00A11780:01C7569D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:18:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7569D.006848B9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my guitarist & I have been discussing a hardware mod to our lexicon = jam-mans, which would make them a bit more flexible in a = straight-forward, non-mixer type setup (e.g his current setup, where the = jam-man lives on a small camera tripod amongst his regular stompboxes). the idea is that the dry signal continues to whistle straight through = the unit via the mix pot, occasionally being grabbed into the unit's = memory. the wet signal, however, would go via an effects loop before = arriving at the mix pot. I think there's enough room at the rear of the unit (I've had them in = bits a few times to expand the memory, fit the tripod adaptor & so = forth) for a couple more jack sockets- maybe just a stereo jack if the = insert is going to be mono, or two if it's to be stereo.... but does anyone have any experience with the insides of the lexicon = jam-man? I am quite at home with schemos & soldering, & will doubtless = embark on this shortly anyway, but I thought I'd ask the list first, in = case someone's already been there. I might drop a line to mr sellon too, = though I don't know how much he would know about the hardware side of = things... duncan. =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7569D.006848B9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable lexicon jam-man mods

my guitarist & I have been discussing a hardware = mod to our lexicon jam-mans, which would make them a bit more flexible = in a straight-forward, non-mixer type setup (e.g his current setup, = where the jam-man lives on a small camera tripod amongst his regular = stompboxes).

the idea is that the dry signal continues to whistle straight through = the unit via the mix pot, occasionally being grabbed into the unit's = memory. the wet signal, however, would go via an effects loop before = arriving at the mix pot.

I think there's enough room at the rear of the unit (I've had them in = bits a few times to expand the memory, fit the tripod adaptor & so = forth) for a couple more jack sockets- maybe just a stereo jack if the = insert is going to be mono, or two if it's to be stereo....

but does anyone have any experience with the insides of the lexicon = jam-man? I am quite at home with schemos & soldering, & will = doubtless embark on this shortly anyway, but I thought I'd ask the list = first, in case someone's already been there. I might drop a line to mr = sellon too, though I don't know how much he would know about the = hardware side of things...

duncan. 


------_=_NextPart_001_01C7569D.006848B9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 16:27:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ABA43BF49; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d2001c7569e$61b398d0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: ontology and epistemology of aestheitics Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:27:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:27:47 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" > I wish more critics employed Kris's approach. I much prefer statements > such as ,"I like x because it makes me feel x to statements like,this is > good,this is crap ,you'll be happy if you buy this etc. > Without getting into semiotics,I see meanings and asthetics as tending > to have cultural elements that aren't purely subjective. In a culture that > fetishizes individuality,and pushes the value of indivudual choice, as it > supports consumerism subjective aesthetics can be described as culturally > based. Good catch, Samba. I think you are correct. I believe this is where we move from subjectivism to cultural relativism (still not objectivism, IMO). It is an interesting transition when the combined subjective and enduring emotive states of a community or society gain enough momentum and solidarity to become a cultural phenomenon. This applies not just to aesthetics, but ethics, metaphysics, religion, etc. However, this is where it gets scary and can lead to mass belief in ideas to the extent that they are considered universally true. I don't need to mention all the madmen in our history who have led to the death and suffering of millions of human beings because an idea gained momentum in a society or culture. Mass acceptance does not entail universal truth and objectivity...otherwise, we'd still be pushing the flat earth and geocentric models of the solar system. And coming back to Andy's last response to my post, I think this above transition is what can often lead to either a fallacious or misleading ways of talking about objectivity. One common, non-philosophical idea of objectivity really has little to do with epistemology (the study of the conditions for knowledge, etc) per se, but simply the idea of many people having a similar view point or agreeing that they observe or perceive the same way. This simply means that we are moving from one person's mind to the collective overlap of multiple viewpoints. However, I would argue, again, that this type of objectivity does not logically imply the type of objectivity we discuss in epistemology, where for a statement to be considered objective, it must more than a shared viewpoint, but Universally True. Very few, if any statements in the history of human though meet any degree of agreed upon criteria to achieve this status, perhaps mathematical and logic statements, but those are empty of empirical content. Great thread.... Kris > I'm also interested in psychoacoustics,how the physical effects of sound > on the body affect mood,emotion etc. For example,loud fast rhythm being > exciting ,or creating the feeling of excitement seems neither personal or > cultural.Of course some individuals and societies may value such > excitement,some disdain it,some forbid it and others institutionalise it.I > other words they assign values/aesthetics to the physical responses in a > culturally determined way,at least partially. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from > Microsoft® Office Live > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0540002499mrt/direct/01/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 16:35:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80CD33BF2F; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257999A@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.co m> References: <20070222160650.0ECFE3BF2E@arsenic.violacea.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257999A@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.co m> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:34:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: lexicon jam-man mods Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1039960383==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b5711209dc02f57d1c9f96928347cefc864c794a30146a21c727840350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:35:18 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1039960383==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" This could be quite simple since the mix pot is at the output of the device.Trace the signal after the input level control, this is where the signal splits to the A/D converter and the output Mix pot. >my guitarist & I have been discussing a hardware mod to our lexicon >jam-mans, which would make them a bit more flexible in a >straight-forward, non-mixer type setup (e.g his current setup, where >the jam-man lives on a small camera tripod amongst his regular >stompboxes). > >the idea is that the dry signal continues to whistle straight >through the unit via the mix pot, occasionally being grabbed into >the unit's memory. the wet signal, however, would go via an effects >loop before arriving at the mix pot. > >I think there's enough room at the rear of the unit (I've had them >in bits a few times to expand the memory, fit the tripod adaptor & >so forth) for a couple more jack sockets- maybe just a stereo jack >if the insert is going to be mono, or two if it's to be stereo.... > >but does anyone have any experience with the insides of the lexicon >jam-man? I am quite at home with schemos & soldering, & will >doubtless embark on this shortly anyway, but I thought I'd ask the >list first, in case someone's already been there. I might drop a >line to mr sellon too, though I don't know how much he would know >about the hardware side of things... > >duncan. -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1039960383==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: lexicon jam-man mods
This could be quite simple since the mix pot is at the output of the device.Trace the signal after the input level control, this is where the signal splits to the A/D converter and the output Mix pot.



my guitarist & I have been discussing a hardware mod to our lexicon jam-mans, which would make them a bit more flexible in a straight-forward, non-mixer type setup (e.g his current setup, where the jam-man lives on a small camera tripod amongst his regular stompboxes).

the idea is that the dry signal continues to whistle straight through the unit via the mix pot, occasionally being grabbed into the unit's memory. the wet signal, however, would go via an effects loop before arriving at the mix pot.

I think there's enough room at the rear of the unit (I've had them in bits a few times to expand the memory, fit the tripod adaptor & so forth) for a couple more jack sockets- maybe just a stereo jack if the insert is going to be mono, or two if it's to be stereo....

but does anyone have any experience with the insides of the lexicon jam-man? I am quite at home with schemos & soldering, & will doubtless embark on this shortly anyway, but I thought I'd ask the list first, in case someone's already been there. I might drop a line to mr sellon too, though I don't know how much he would know about the hardware side of things...

duncan. 


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--============_-1039960383==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 16:49:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AB933BF27; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d2b01c756a1$6772d210$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDBF8F.4040104@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:49:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:49:25 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" > But I don't entirely agree that the merit of Art is based on subjective, > isolated emotional reaction. I don't think it fallacious to state as a > point of fact that Bach was a great composer, Shakespeare a great writer, > Van Gogh a great painter, Michelangelo a great sculptor, all of whom > created great works. My own emotional reaction isn't a solid basis to > argue otherwise. There are criteria other then personal emotion to judge > art; innovation, craft, and the perception of value over a period of time, > fr'instance. It isn't falacious, according to my framework of thinking, unless what you mean by "Bach was a great composer" is that "greatness" is some objective and evaluative property that "is possessed" by a person or piece of work. If what you mean by "great" is a set of empirically validated criteria, then that's fine; otherwise, I'd argue the statement is meaningless...again, this is just one radical perspective in philosophy. I'm not pushing this on anyone, just putting my own stake in the ground, despite how unpopular it may be or how many folks on the list may object. > Would you argue that the question "What is Beauty?" is not a worthwhile > topic for philosophical discussion? On this point, I'm just curious. It believe is was very germane two thousand years ago and in the middle ages, e.g, Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, Augustine, Anselm, etc. Reams and reams of text have been written to attempt to answer this particular question. Some philosophers today and in the early 20th century consider this a naive and misleading question; some even consider it meaningless, like myself, if we are after anything like an external truth or objective state of affairs; or if the question is not analyzed and translated into a different type of statement. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 17:05:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58D523BF25; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DDCD43.2020600@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:05:07 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDBF8F.4040104@mhorse.com> <0d2b01c756a1$6772d210$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0d2b01c756a1$6772d210$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Got'cha. Yeah, "great" by criteria, which even if not exhaustively defined is generally understood...at least by "Western" thinking over the last 450 years! not exactly universally applicable. I know a number of people here in Mexico who have never heard of the Beatles. Helps with perspective. I still think the beauty question is interesting to ask, even if it's judged unanswerable it can help to get a fix on one's philosophy. cheers, Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com (ps. Am I really one of the few that gets the emails individually, not in digest? If everyone's on digest I will trim the post I'm responding to as Rick suggested, when viewing individual ones it helps..) > >> But I don't entirely agree that the merit of Art is based on >> subjective, isolated emotional reaction. I don't think it fallacious >> to state as a point of fact that Bach was a great composer, >> Shakespeare a great writer, Van Gogh a great painter, Michelangelo a >> great sculptor, all of whom created great works. My own emotional >> reaction isn't a solid basis to argue otherwise. There are criteria >> other then personal emotion to judge art; innovation, craft, and the >> perception of value over a period of time, fr'instance. > > It isn't falacious, according to my framework of thinking, unless what > you mean > by "Bach was a great composer" is that "greatness" is some objective and > evaluative property that "is possessed" by a person or piece of work. > If what > you mean by "great" is a set of empirically validated criteria, then > that's fine; > otherwise, I'd argue the statement is meaningless...again, this is > just one > radical perspective in philosophy. I'm not pushing this on anyone, just > putting my own stake in the ground, despite how unpopular it may be > or how many folks on the list may object. > >> Would you argue that the question "What is Beauty?" is not a >> worthwhile topic for philosophical discussion? On this point, I'm >> just curious. > > It believe is was very germane two thousand years ago and in the > middle ages, e.g, > Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, Augustine, Anselm, etc. Reams and reams of > text have > been written to attempt to answer this particular question. Some > philosophers > today and in the early 20th century consider this a naive and > misleading question; > some even consider it meaningless, like myself, if we are after > anything like > an external truth or objective state of affairs; or if the question is > not analyzed > and translated into a different type of statement. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 17:17:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D9F43BF3F; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d4a01c756a5$43885830$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDBF8F.4040104@mhorse.com> <0d2b01c756a1$6772d210$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDCD43.2020600@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:16:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:17:03 +0000 (UTC) [snip] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" . > I still think the beauty question is interesting to ask, even if it's > judged unanswerable it can help to get a fix on one's philosophy. Absolutely, especially when discussing with one's significant other. The last thing I would say at a romantic dinner is, "Dear, let me tell you about how I think the term 'beauty' is meaningless...[insert sound of plate flying through air and annihilating face with filet mignone]" :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 17:25:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BD1D3BF46; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:25:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Lk9s/fzAygK3fjvSOlIF7pkfoYRifkGD3DSxwFQVBXkAH07fv9hyzhLdVet0rrrJVshs36AHZm4rPrQGVF41vUI9o24Qup4qeV4f28ovPAVfW5ai2BYuUAPsfnsBvwjvbA8FmBydryXg+ddD1Xc9vHx0c/rXEozfgpsxmcj7IaM=; X-YMail-OSG: 7Nq71gAVM1nE7xWddGFs3hAsfJZ2Bdub19DODEsN5Ci4OUsac6uD.4Vjvkza80cmnnV8rUHapGTtMHXwHjmTf4xG3FlScYFo13ya6QfQY936CV7qIaqzeBlvwGF.Hlb7bztR9S4qZMZUR8o- Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:25:00 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Brock Subject: EDP odd behavior (and hello) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <603067.6770.qm@web36109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_x-WZB.A.4E.uHd3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:25:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi. My name is Brian Brock. I've been looping for 10 years or so, I occasionally perform with my Echoplex, which I love. I use it as an accompaniment device, as a composition tool, and as a maker of ambient or foreground noises. Anyway, I notice this odd behaviour. Sometimes, on the footpedal, the mute, insert, or undo button will cause a multiply, overdub, or insert (only a problem with mute and undo!). I almost want to believe that since I've been using insert more recently, it has been acting more normal. I've recently come to suspect that the problem is worse when moreloops>1, which strikes me as truly odd. I've opened up the footpedal and tested the resistances when pushing the buttons, and everything seems normal; I've opened up the EDP and tested a couple of easily accessed capacitors to see if they'd drifted from spec - normal. So is this a common issue? Is there anyone near Madison, Wisconsin who can repair it? Do I just need to clean the footpedal jack on the EDP? Thanks. p.s. I would really appreciate it if replies could be CC'd to me, as I have trouble keeping up with all the information on the list. Thanks, Brian ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 17:29:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF6593BF52; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: ontology and epistemology of aestheitics Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:29:10 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c756a6$f68d6550$76f8bb43@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C75663.E86A2550" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdWeOwRuNHEEtbGShOtFKUePKeqfwALOSDg In-Reply-To: <564E81E1-36BC-44A0-A0FB-CC62493ACEFA@steve-lawson.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:29:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C75663.E86A2550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Can I just say that this is my favourite thread subject for ages... what a great subject line... And a fascinating discussion. >So anyway, how does looping help me get chicks? For starters, answering your cell phone in the middle of a performance and having the audience say hello to your girlfriend as you did here in Sacramento recently is probably not a good idea.It was bloody funny though. Excellent workshop by the way man. ~Greg Williams _____ ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C75663.E86A2550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>Can I just say that this is my favourite thread subject for = ages... what a great subject line... And a fascinating discussion. =

 

>So anyway, how does looping help me get = chicks?

 

For starters, answering your cell phone in the middle of a = performance and having the audience say hello to your girlfriend as you did here in = Sacramento recently is probably not a good idea…It was bloody funny though. Excellent workshop by the way man.

 

~Greg Williams

 

 


 

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C75663.E86A2550-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 17:45:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8E043BF3F; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070222114514.p9hk68wwsgw0wo0s@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:45:14 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Daryl Shawn : > ...the opinion that art is anything that is created with the /pure > /intention of evoking an /aesthetic /reaction... > But I don't entirely agree that the merit of Art is based on > subjective, isolated emotional reaction. I don't think it fallacious to > state as a point of fact that Bach was a great composer, Shakespeare a > great writer, Van Gogh a great painter, Michelangelo a great sculptor, > all of whom created great works. My own emotional reaction isn't a > solid basis to argue otherwise. There are criteria other then personal > emotion to judge art; innovation, craft, and the perception of value > over a period of time, fr'instance. > > Having said that, nobody can tell me what I /should/ like, or what > /should/ have value to me. I'm not a fan of Mozart, yet to label his > work as trash isn't for me to say. This post resonates with many of my feelings about art -- in fact, I feel the same way about Mozart. I appreciate it however I am not thrilled with it. I find Bach thrilling. For me to assert that "Bach is better than Mozart" would be to state my own bias rather than anything useful about the music. I tend to approach the creation of music as a "1% inspiration, 99% perspiration" activity. However, the hope is that the listeners, upon hearing the finished work, will be moved in some way without being aware of the "perspiration" aspect of the work. Thus, I approached the question "What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellent composition" as a technical question -- a =20 kind of composer-to-composer dialog. For instance, if I hear someone doing great looping work and I want to do the same thing, I will likely want to know what kind of equipment and setup the person is using. I may want to ask the person how they manage certain things (say pedal presses or avoiding feedback from microphones, etc). I will listen to the music to figure out how it is =20 organized. This is not to deny a spiritual and/or aesthetic goal -- most of us hope that people will like or love our music. We hope our music =20 reaches people at some level. My statement in an earlier post: "Be true to yourself" was meant as a possib= le way to reach listeners and do music that may be regarded as "excellent". A subjective statement about music such as "that music is great" or =20 "that music is garbage" is a statement about the listener's reaction =20 to the music. There have been times where I have played Bach fugues =20 and a few people complained. Their complaint didn't make the fugues =20 "bad" -- the complaint had more to do with a gap between what they =20 expected and what I played. Some people simply don't like =20 contrapuntal music. Perhaps I should have played Mozart. :) -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 17:51:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EB953BF3F; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:51:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:51:10 EST Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c4b.f257546.330f320e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:51:16 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c4b.f257546.330f320e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/21/07 3:11:13 PM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com writes: > And, true to teenage form, we all poured incredible energy into the=A0 > music however by the fourth repetition, there was nowhere left to go! >=20 >=20 this happens a lot when i loop.....but it is at that point when the=20 frustration and boredom can create a "new" energy than may lead to something= new and=20 creative.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone.=20 Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. --part1_c4b.f257546.330f320e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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this happens a lot when i loop.....but it is at that point when the frust= ration and boredom can create a "new" energy than may lead to something new=20= and creative.....michael



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AOL=20= now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL= at http://www.aol.com. --part1_c4b.f257546.330f320e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 18:02:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AF553BF34; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAACtp3UXUSnIwsmdsb2JhbACPKQEBAQECAQQODR2SPQEBAYFJ Message-ID: <45DDD609.9020801@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:42:33 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DD72AF.30500@tiscali.co.uk> <0cd601c75696$5ca2e150$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0cd601c75696$5ca2e150$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:02:37 +0000 (UTC) > >> Let's take an example:- >> >> "Already it transpires that rigid adherence to serial systems is not >> exclusively considered to be a pre-requisite for good composition. " >> >> hmmm.............true or false? > > That's easy...neither, if you follow and use the gist of my original > response as a starting point (that's the premise for my response). The > gist is that some statements are neither true nor false, because they > aren't statements in the factual sense, only appear to be by syntax. There's no logic here. what are you saying? That because some sentences are neither true or false you can blandly apply that to any sentence? As the opposite of that sentence is disproved by counter example, then it has to be true. :-) Not only that, you provided a suitable counter example yourself. That's logic. > But > you are free to use a different set of premises to support a different > concusion....but then you wouldn't disputing my logic at that point, > just my initial assumptions. I'm disputing your conclusions. So far you neither justified "aesthetic non-cognitivity", nor demonstrated that it applied to composition. > > We are probably talking about diffrerent definitions of "objectivity" > here. I am using the more formal and philosophical concept. http://www.iep.utm.edu/o/objectiv.htm Don't think so, that looks ok to me. > Kris > > andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 18:06:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9AD63BF50; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DDDECC.3020603@unguitar.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:19:56 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <20070222114514.p9hk68wwsgw0wo0s@69.89.21.76> In-Reply-To: <20070222114514.p9hk68wwsgw0wo0s@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:06:53 +0000 (UTC) >kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: ....what he wrote. and I completely subscribe that. luca www.unguitar.com www.myspace.com/lucaformentini From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 18:09:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA8443BF58; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070222120931.8demffi3w4o40os4@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:09:31 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone Using the Digitech Vocalist References: <022120072143.27411.45DCBD0100041F6100006B132216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <6.2.5.6.2.20070221204200.027721f8@sympatico.ca> <19bd0a8a4f866b3dc01986e87951e860@glasswing.com> <20070221200254.nn8y2omujo0w0s80@69.89.21.76> <186cc10f2e065516a1f83b7d76914f83@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <186cc10f2e065516a1f83b7d76914f83@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Richard Sales : > Oh my gosh YES! I went to your site before! I love it - had a big > smile going! Thank you! Glad you enjoy the site. > I guess Harmon Killebrew might be DATING (and locating) me a bit, eh!? I don't follow sports a lot however I instantly recognized Harmon Killebrew because I thought he may have played for the Royals. And I looked it up and, yes! -- it was for only one year before he retired as a baseball player. Of course, we had George Brett -- what an awesome athelete. > The vox effects on that sound just fine. Thanks. The harmonizer is kind of "mechnical" compared to overdubbed harmony however the harmonizer "sound" is unique and useful. Now that I'm working with loops I am revisiting the harmonizer so I can build up harmonic loops faster. > The only harmonizer I've ever used is the one in my throat, the one on > the Roland Guitar Synth and the Ensoniq DP4. > > I'll check it out! Thanks Kevin, Enjoy! :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 18:32:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D6B63BF43; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: greetings; first post Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:32:36 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c756af$d66e0af0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcdWe+QHjO/7TlUzTlKNi+B5c8OgvAAM2hdg In-Reply-To: <00b001c7567b$e13288a0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Thank You for listening and for the kind words Fabio. I have been enjoying your wonderful atmospheric music this morning. I love your touch and sense of space and balance. Cheers! ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: Fabio Anile [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 4:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: greetings; first post Welcome Greg ! I'm now enyoining your "Action theme 2"... I love a lot that Reich approach. Well done ! fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ http://www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "greg williams" To: Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:05 AM Subject: greetings; first post > Greetings Folks, > > This is my first post although I've been reading and searching the > archives > almost daily for quite a while now. Thank you all for your fine and > diverse > talents, music and advice. I also had the great and somewhat dubious > pleasure of meeting many of you at the Y2K6 10th Anniversary Party in > Oakland this last October (thanks again for the fine beers Kim!), and I'm > looking forward to Y2K7. > > I've just set up a myspace site featuring a few tracks from my almost > finished first live-looping CD, and I was hoping for some feedback. The > address is www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist > > Just so you know what you're in for, my modus operandi is one acoustic > guitar and 2 EDPs, plus some other boxes and a truly obscene amount of > audio > cables. I've got a complete gear list on the myspace site if you're > interested. Please give the stuff a listen when you get a chance and if > you > are so inclined, and thanks for listening in advance. > > I'm really looking forward to joining in on some discussions (for better > or > worse!) instead of just lurking anonymously behind the scenes. I think > this > is a really special list and community. > > Cheers! > ~Greg Williams > Sacramento, CA > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/696 - Release Date: 21/02/2007 > 15.19 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 18:45:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1472D3BF3F; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0da401c756b1$a275d5a0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DD72AF.30500@tiscali.co.uk> <0cd601c75696$5ca2e150$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDD609.9020801@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:45:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:45:38 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" >>> "Already it transpires that rigid adherence to serial systems is not >>> exclusively considered to be a pre-requisite for good composition. " >>> >>> hmmm.............true or false? >> >> That's easy...neither, if you follow and use the gist of my original >> response as a starting point (that's the premise for my response). The >> gist is that some statements are neither true nor false, because they >> aren't statements in the factual sense, only appear to be by syntax. > > There's no logic here. > what are you saying? > That because some sentences are neither true or false you can blandly > apply that to any sentence? There is no blandly applying anything here, but there is a methodology and entire system behind the application. To reiterate the view, which is not my own unique view, but was set forth by a group of linguistic, analytic, and philosophers of science in the 50s, some statements, not all, are regarded as pseudo statements, meaning that they are neither true nor false. In other words, they are not the type of sentences that can be analyzed as true or false. Just because we use our language syntax to construct a sentence, doesn't imply that is meaningful, nor that it has the ability to be true or false. According to the view, statements of this sort, which are literally meaningless, typically come out of the disciplines of ethics, metaphysics, and aesthetics. It is impossible to do the view justice here on the list, and it takes a fair amount of reading to understand the full thrust of the argument. I would start by reading A.J. Ayer's "Language, Truth and Logic", or Hans Reichenbach's "The Rise of Scientific Philosophy", all easy reads. But the main point is the application is not "blandly" applied, nor does it assume that simply constructing a sentence entitles it to have the property of truth or falsehood. > As the opposite of that sentence is disproved by counter example, then it > has to be true. :-) Just because we can "construct" or contrive a sentence that appears as if it were a legitimate statement about the world, and then contradict it with a negative, doesn't imply that the statement is literally meaningful, meaning that it actually expresses a fact about the world. And it doesn't imply truth or falsehood either. If you are talking pure symbolic logic, like: 1. If p, then q 2. p 3. Therefore: q (derived by modus ponens) ....then we abstractly assign truth values to "p" so that we can conclude q...but these statements are ENTIRELY different than statements about the word around us, such as the nature and value of art - coming back to our original topic. The truth of a statement in logic is assigned, where as the true or falsehood of a statement about the world about us is derived by analyzing the statement, and determine whether the terms of the statement are meaningful and express a factual state of affairs. If we discover that the terms (subject, attribute) are pseudo-terms and don't denote anything in the real world, then the whole statement becomes a pseudo-statement, that is, unable to be either true or false. Your original statement: 1) "Already it transpires that rigid adherence to serial systems is not exclusively considered to be a pre-requisite for good composition. " This is a complex statement. Let's say we simply it to: 2) "Rigid adherence to serial systems is not exclusively considered to be a pre-requisite for good composition." And then simply that to: 3) "Rigid adherence to serial systems is not a pre-requisite for good composition". This is the core statement. If what you mean by "considered' in version 2 is that people believe or state that rigid adherence to serial system is not a pre-requisite for good composition, then I suppose you could verify this by just asking people, provided you didn't ask them to describe when they mean by "good". Though I'm not sure how you can show this is universally true or false...it seems that the opinion would vary. But, it does, "at first glance" suggest that the statement can be either true or false (theoretically). However, if you further analyze the statement to the third version above, and scrutinize the term "good", using the system of philosophy I referred to above as the starting point (this is important, because it is my whole axiom for discussion here), then that system suggests that "good composition" is a literally meaningless phrase, which means that when a person uses that phrase to express their belief that rigid adherence to serial systems is not exclusively considered to be a pre-requisite for good composition, that expression is also literally meaningless. It take one bad apple to ruin the whole barrel in other words. This is why according to this philosophy I am alluding to, not only are statements of value meaningless without translation into emotive expressions, but the whole question that give rise to them are meaningless. So, "Is there such a thing as good art" or "What is beauty?", or "What are the criteria for a good composition?" become empty, unless those "good" terms are defined in a non-evaluative manner...which can, and has been done. The pragmatists did it (good means useful). The ethical emotivists did it (good is generate positive emotions). Many of us on this list do it and actually prefer it that way because it is more direct, emotive, and does leave this nebulous thing called Good floating around in the air. So, to summarize the main point. One bad apple ruins the whole barrel. :) If you find a term in a sentence that is meaningless, meaning that you can't connect it to anything "real" (empirical, introspective, etc), then the whole sentence is rendered meaningless (i.e., is neither true nor false), unless we rid ourselves of the bad apple and replace it with a more description term or set of terms. Kris Not only that, you provided a suitable counter > example yourself. > That's logic. > >> But you are free to use a different set of premises to support a >> different concusion....but then you wouldn't disputing my logic at that >> point, just my initial assumptions. > > I'm disputing your conclusions. > So far you neither justified "aesthetic non-cognitivity", nor demonstrated > that it applied to composition. > >> >> We are probably talking about diffrerent definitions of "objectivity" >> here. I am using the more formal and philosophical concept. > > http://www.iep.utm.edu/o/objectiv.htm > > Don't think so, that looks ok to me. > >> Kris >> >> > andy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 19:15:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D60A33BF4A; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0db301c756b5$de9e63e0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:15:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:15:55 +0000 (UTC) >I would start by reading A.J. Ayer's "Language, Truth and Logic", or Hans >Reichenbach's "The Rise of ScientificPhilosophy", I don't want to belabor this too much, but I forgot to mention Bertrand Russell's "Logical Atomism"....a fantastic and most intriguing read that illustrates the idea of literally meaninful statements. Russell actually breaks language down into logical atoms and molecules. An atom is something like "x is red", where red is an unanalyzable term the denotes an empirical sense datum that is also unanalyzable....really fasimating stuff! Utlimately, sentences that can legitimatly be considered meaningful propositions are broken down into logical atoms of this sort. So, complex sentences or logical molecules like "This billard ball is red" are anaylzed into an extremly complicated array of atoms, like "There is an x, such that x is round, x is of such and such a size, x is at this specific location,.....etc..and x is red". This is an oversimplication, but similar to what we do in symbolic logic to concert a normal English speaking statement into symbols, so that we can focus on its logical structure and not the content. Hence, we can analyze statements like "Rick Walker looped the sound of a sex toy at the Boise Experimental Music Festival" into an array of logical atoms. However, we cannot analyze "Mozart is good", "Avant-garde is better than pop", etc into logical atoms, because the term "good" fails to denote any real property that render the atom "X is good" meanful. "X is red" and "X is Good" are entirely different. One we can verify, the other is empty. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 19:32:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA0943BF3D; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2096622855.1172172759278.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:32:39 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: greetings; first post Cc: greg williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.252.252 by mail.charter.net; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:32:38 -0500 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Hi there Greg, Nice to hear a vew "voice" on guitar just down the road a bit (which is how= I think of Sacramento from here in Medford Oregon) Of course the first piece brought on impressions of Reich's "Electric Count= erpoint" and Riley's "In C" but it soon went in other new and interesting d= irections. Very cool! I liked it a lot. Let's hear more.=20 Welcome aboard! -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- greg williams wrote:=20 > Greetings Folks, >=20 > This is my first post although I've been reading and searching the archiv= es > almost daily for quite a while now. Thank you all for your fine and diver= se > talents, music and advice. I also had the great and somewhat dubious > pleasure of meeting many of you at the Y2K6 10th Anniversary Party in > Oakland this last October (thanks again for the fine beers Kim!), and I'm > looking forward to Y2K7. >=20 > I've just set up a myspace site featuring a few tracks from my almost > finished first live-looping CD, and I was hoping for some feedback. The > address is www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist >=20 > Just so you know what you're in for, my modus operandi is one acoustic > guitar and 2 EDPs, plus some other boxes and a truly obscene amount of au= dio > cables. I've got a complete gear list on the myspace site if you're > interested. Please give the stuff a listen when you get a chance and if y= ou > are so inclined, and thanks for listening in advance. >=20 > I'm really looking forward to joining in on some discussions (for better = or > worse!) instead of just lurking anonymously behind the scenes. I think th= is > is a really special list and community. >=20 > Cheers! > ~Greg Williams > Sacramento, CA >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 19:48:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37EB33BF47; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2002.69.59.206.219.1172173713.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <20070222120931.8demffi3w4o40os4@69.89.21.76> References: <022120072143.27411.45DCBD0100041F6100006B132216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <6.2.5.6.2.20070221204200.027721f8@sympatico.ca> <19bd0a8a4f866b3dc01986e87951e860@glasswing.com> <20070221200254.nn8y2omujo0w0s80@69.89.21.76> <186cc10f2e065516a1f83b7d76914f83@glasswing.com> <20070222120931.8demffi3w4o40os4@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:48:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Anyone Using the Digitech Vocalist From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:48:36 +0000 (UTC) >> I guess Harmon Killebrew might be DATING (and locating) me a bit, eh!? > > I don't follow sports a lot however I instantly recognized Harmon > Killebrew because I thought he may have played for the Royals. And I > looked it up and, yes! -- it was for only one year before he retired > as a baseball player. > It was funny to see him mentioned here, Killebrew was from a small town in on the Idaho border where I grew up. I went to High School with his daughter. Probably the only famous export, other than potatoes, from my home town. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 20:01:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25A983BF24; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1809026333.1172174508235.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:01:48 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP odd behavior (and hello) Cc: Brian Brock MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.252.252 by mail.charter.net; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:01:47 -0500 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:01:52 +0000 (UTC) You might want to try to determine if it is a problem with the EDP or the c= ontroller first. What are you using to control your EDP with? If you are using the EFC-7 controller, the little red footswitches in it ar= e NOTORIOUS for going bad with frequent use. A quick way to tell is to disconnect the EFC-7 and try to conntrol the EDP = from the front panel. Does this work without a hitch? The the problem is most likely with the EFC-7 footpedal (with a bad switch = specifically being the most likely culprit). If you are handy with a soldering iron these are easy enough to fix. The only problem is getting replacements from MOUSER ELECTRONICS or JAMECO = ELECTRONICS. You can look up the specific part number somewhere on the Loopers Delight w= eb site wherr will also tell you: The footswitch part# is: 10PA005 at or 106112 at the switch is made by a company called Mountain Switch, and their part# is = DS412R. They are simple to replace with minimal soldering. Hope this helps. -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Brian Brock wrote:=20 > Hi. My name is Brian Brock. I've been looping for 10 years or so, I > occasionally perform with my Echoplex, which I love. I use it as an > accompaniment device, as a composition tool, and as a maker of ambient > or foreground noises. >=20 > Anyway, I notice this odd behaviour. Sometimes, on the footpedal, the > mute, insert, or undo button will cause a multiply, overdub, or insert > (only a problem with mute and undo!). I almost want to believe that > since I've been using insert more recently, it has been acting more > normal. I've recently come to suspect that the problem is worse when > moreloops>1, which strikes me as truly odd. I've opened up the > footpedal and tested the resistances when pushing the buttons, and > everything seems normal; I've opened up the EDP and tested a couple of > easily accessed capacitors to see if they'd drifted from spec - normal. >=20 > So is this a common issue? Is there anyone near Madison, Wisconsin who > can repair it? Do I just need to clean the footpedal jack on the EDP?=20 > Thanks. >=20 > p.s. I would really appreciate it if replies could be CC'd to me, as I > have trouble keeping up with all the information on the list. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Brian >=20 >=20 > =20 > _________________________________________________________________________= ___________ > Have a burning question? =20 > Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 20:10:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E08683BF49; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <2002.69.59.206.219.1172173713.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <022120072143.27411.45DCBD0100041F6100006B132216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <6.2.5.6.2.20070221204200.027721f8@sympatico.ca> <19bd0a8a4f866b3dc01986e87951e860@glasswing.com> <20070221200254.nn8y2omujo0w0s80@69.89.21.76> <186cc10f2e065516a1f83b7d76914f83@glasswing.com> <20070222120931.8demffi3w4o40os4@69.89.21.76> <2002.69.59.206.219.1172173713.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-594292791 Message-Id: <89784baf7fb169e111258e0a5d9f9907@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Anyone Using the Digitech Vocalist Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:10:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:10:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-594292791 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Oh man! When I was a kid we used to religiously go see the Washington Senators play. He was a hero of mine. Just for the record, considering that the ball does go back and forth from the pitcher, and the bat to the outfield and back to the catcher, this could be considered looping. I know the logic is funny... but, addressing the other WONDERFUL thread (that I'm enjoying so much), it's hard to remember that logic is just another faith based belief system. It all crashed for me with Ludwig Wittgenstein! When he started to sound like the Vedic poets to me, I knew it was time to move on. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 22-Feb-07, at 11:48 AM, improv@peak.org wrote: >>> I guess Harmon Killebrew might be DATING (and locating) me a bit, >>> eh!? >> >> I don't follow sports a lot however I instantly recognized Harmon >> Killebrew because I thought he may have played for the Royals. And I >> looked it up and, yes! -- it was for only one year before he retired >> as a baseball player. >> > It was funny to see him mentioned here, Killebrew was from a small > town in > on the Idaho border where I grew up. I went to High School with his > daughter. Probably the only famous export, other than potatoes, from my > home town. > --Apple-Mail-5-594292791 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Oh man! When I was a kid we used to religiously go see the Washington Senators play. He was a hero of mine. Just for the record, considering that the ball does go back and forth from the pitcher, and the bat to the outfield and back to the catcher, this could be considered looping. I know the logic is funny... but, addressing the other WONDERFUL thread (that I'm enjoying so much), it's hard to remember that logic is just another faith based belief system. It all crashed for me with Ludwig Wittgenstein! When he started to sound like the Vedic poets to me, I knew it was time to move on. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 22-Feb-07, at 11:48 AM, improv@peak.org wrote: I guess Harmon Killebrew might be DATING (and locating) me a bit, eh!? I don't follow sports a lot however I instantly recognized Harmon Killebrew because I thought he may have played for the Royals. And I looked it up and, yes! -- it was for only one year before he retired as a baseball player. It was funny to see him mentioned here, Killebrew was from a small town in on the Idaho border where I grew up. I went to High School with his daughter. Probably the only famous export, other than potatoes, from my home town. --Apple-Mail-5-594292791-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 20:21:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 488B53BF3A; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <24250.167.83.10.20.1172175677.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <1809026333.1172174508235.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> References: <1809026333.1172174508235.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:21:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: EDP odd behavior (and hello) From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: btbrock@yahoo.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:21:29 +0000 (UTC) YOu can get a packet of all the switches from www.Britishaudioservice.com > They're prompt and know the EDP well. I did have the same thing happen. Try spraying the buttons to clean the contacts. Also, make sure the pedal is level and doesn't bounce when pressed. And finally, sometimes I was accidentally hitting two buttons at once and that REALLY screwed things up.... ~peace~ Plish > You might want to try to determine if it is a problem with the EDP or the > controller first. > > What are you using to control your EDP with? > > If you are using the EFC-7 controller, the little red footswitches in it > are NOTORIOUS for going bad with frequent use. > > A quick way to tell is to disconnect the EFC-7 and try to conntrol the EDP > from the front panel. > > Does this work without a hitch? > > The the problem is most likely with the EFC-7 footpedal (with a bad switch > specifically being the most likely culprit). > > If you are handy with a soldering iron these are easy enough to fix. > > The only problem is getting replacements from MOUSER ELECTRONICS or JAMECO > ELECTRONICS. > > You can look up the specific part number somewhere on the Loopers Delight > web site wherr will also tell you: > > The footswitch part# is: > > 10PA005 at > > or > > 106112 at > > the switch is made by a company called Mountain Switch, and their part# is > DS412R. > > They are simple to replace with minimal soldering. > > Hope this helps. > > -- > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > Flux Aeterna: > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=6378076 > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121197000042 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > > ---- Brian Brock wrote: >> Hi. My name is Brian Brock. I've been looping for 10 years or so, I >> occasionally perform with my Echoplex, which I love. I use it as an >> accompaniment device, as a composition tool, and as a maker of ambient >> or foreground noises. >> >> Anyway, I notice this odd behaviour. Sometimes, on the footpedal, the >> mute, insert, or undo button will cause a multiply, overdub, or insert >> (only a problem with mute and undo!). I almost want to believe that >> since I've been using insert more recently, it has been acting more >> normal. I've recently come to suspect that the problem is worse when >> moreloops>1, which strikes me as truly odd. I've opened up the >> footpedal and tested the resistances when pushing the buttons, and >> everything seems normal; I've opened up the EDP and tested a couple of >> easily accessed capacitors to see if they'd drifted from spec - normal. >> >> So is this a common issue? Is there anyone near Madison, Wisconsin who >> can repair it? Do I just need to clean the footpedal jack on the EDP? >> Thanks. >> >> p.s. I would really appreciate it if replies could be CC'd to me, as I >> have trouble keeping up with all the information on the list. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brian >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Have a burning question? >> Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 20:42:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B35563BF48; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iOlReumhlc1HRf65fDNl35hO08TvoNc9bC23jN2by1u6VoDEu7Xo52UhC/DaxfETDrnAxx0DTcJpsJoXgdHMqUyRAbQXOc2a437Co03QkwtPm2xGFivGOSDfLRp1VpOKJMJjwc+zfXvGmXnS5T2bi0D1Ce8+MGw7FI8cbB5P+bc= ; Message-ID: <20070222204212.61502.qmail@web36113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: jy9sF04VM1mZ46Bpu8fZ49Nhk_YWAqdGYkljyOnM2dN3RO7xJLWiKtGkWwDOKQzXglEvBWro.NSJxN77zywxf_oEd9Jgx_vnibvbSB7WPIEFoRCJ64urm6XI1qquC7iu05GQ7O_N1xw- Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:42:12 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Brock Subject: Re: EDP odd behavior (and hello) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Brian Brock In-Reply-To: <1809026333.1172174508235.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:42:14 +0000 (UTC) I see. Yeah, I sort of suspected that the footpedal would be chancy, but I tested it with an ohmmeter and the resistances seemed reasonable - perhaps the switches stopped opening cleanly? The front panel does work fine... I'll look into the switches. b --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > You might want to try to determine if it is a problem with the EDP or > the controller first. > > What are you using to control your EDP with? > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 22:10:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AF263BF25; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAFGj3UXUSnIvk2dsb2JhbACPKQEBAQEHDg0dkhkBAQGBSQ Message-ID: <45DE13B1.5080107@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:05:37 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Well OT Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DD72AF.30500@tiscali.co.uk> <0cd601c75696$5ca2e150$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDD609.9020801@tiscali.co.uk> <0da401c756b1$a275d5a0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0da401c756b1$a275d5a0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: >>> That's easy...neither, if you follow and use the gist of my original >> There's no logic here. >> what are you saying? >> That because some sentences are neither true or false you can blandly >> apply that to any sentence? > > There is no blandly applying anything here, but there is a methodology and > entire > system behind the application. To reiterate the view, which is not my own > unique view, > but was set forth by a group of linguistic, analytic, and philosophers of > science in the 50s, > some statements, not all, are regarded as pseudo statements, meaning that > they are > neither true nor false. So if you can show that statement to be a pseudo statement then you have some logic going. > >> As the opposite of that sentence is disproved by counter example, then it >> has to be true. :-) > > 1. If p, then q ok, Boolean algebra...etc. Let's assume I understand the technical stuff ;-) no need to explain that > > Your original statement: 1) "Already it transpires that rigid adherence to > serial systems is not exclusively considered to be a pre-requisite for good > composition. " > > This is a complex statement. Let's say we simply it to: 2) "Rigid adherence > to serial systems is not exclusively considered to be a pre-requisite for > good composition." > > And then simply that to: 3) "Rigid adherence to serial systems is not a > pre-requisite for good composition". This is the core statement. No, that's a totally different statement. You're totally mangling it, changing the meaning beyond all recognition. I think you misunderstood, particularly the function of the phrase "not exclusively". Sorry, that's pure logic speak. Anyway, I'll just skip to your main point. > > So, to summarize the main point. One bad apple ruins the whole barrel. :) > If you find a term in a sentence that is meaningless, meaning that you > can't > connect it to anything "real" (empirical, introspective, etc), then the > whole sentence is rendered meaningless (i.e., is neither true nor false). Not so, and to carry on the Rick theme from your other mail. 'Rick Walker said "You've been a great audience".' is a verifiable statement, even though 'great' is the bogey word here. (dunnow if he actually said that tho') 'Rick Walker considered they were a great audience.' Is true/false even if 'great' is so meaningless that Rick couldn't have considered it :-) Sometimes the stuff in philosophy text books isn't as concrete as it could be. andy > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 22:11:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33F6A3BF4F; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.62] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070222160650.0ECFE3BF2E@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V07 #145 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:11:04 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2007 22:11:06.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[592DBD50:01C756CE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC) I guess there are still some women who play dumb so that men won't feel threatened,if that's who you're trying to attract I guess you could jam some skynard. I did mean semiotics,the study of how signs and symbols convey meanings. I haven't heard anything further from the bent festival people,but will try and do a small bending performance in santa cruz in april.Anyone interested? _________________________________________________________________ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE.  http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 22:43:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1E2F3BF25; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:43:04 -0600 From: "Sandy Rowles" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: silent reverse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_32028_23746239.1172184184410" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:43:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_32028_23746239.1172184184410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Time for the newbie to ask another question about the EDP to the LoopersDelight EDP pros! Is there any way to overdub a melody onto a current loop and have it play back in reverse without first reversing the current loop? I don't want my audience to hear the rhythm playing backwards with a forward melody and then turn the rhythm frontwards with a melody backwards. I want the rhythm to stay forward the whole time. Possible? ------=_Part_32028_23746239.1172184184410 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Time for the newbie to ask another question about the EDP to the LoopersDelight  EDP pros! Is there any way to overdub a melody onto a current loop and have it play back in reverse without first reversing the current loop? I don't want my audience to hear the rhythm playing backwards with a forward melody and then turn the rhythm frontwards with a melody backwards. I want the rhythm to stay forward the whole time. Possible?
------=_Part_32028_23746239.1172184184410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 22:44:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27C833BF45; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070222175033.04740e98@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:50:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? In-Reply-To: <011b01c75676$93ffe820$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <011b01c75676$93ffe820$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5C724075 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Check out Jeff Beck playing the East Indian pop song "Nadia". -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/697 - Release Date: 2/22/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 22:51:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1B3B3BF43; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0e1901c756d4$0bcae410$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DD72AF.30500@tiscali.co.uk> <0cd601c75696$5ca2e150$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDD609.9020801@tiscali.co.uk> <0da401c756b1$a275d5a0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DE13B1.5080107@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Well OT Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:51:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:51:57 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" > > So if you can show that statement to be a pseudo statement then you have > some logic going. I'm not going to take your bait, Andy. Based on our past discussions on the list, I know this will go nowhere and fill everyone's mailbox up. We obviously disagree here, and there is no point belaboring the topic to death with a "you prove it...no, you proof it pissing match". This is a topic that has multiple opinions and theories behind it. I subscribe to one, and you seemingly subscribe to another. That's how the game works. That is perfectly natural and acceptable. I will rest my case with the comment that there is indeed a philosophy that implies any statement with a term like "good" in it, is devoid of literal/factual meaning. There is no reason to debate the existence of this philosophy or its opposing theories...you can read up on it if you are interested...or not. If you want the logic behind the theory, read the source material because there no way such a theory of this sort can be described adequately in a discussion group. We have to rely on the high level descriptions of the theories. If you understand the theory and premises, then you will understand the points I made. You aren't expected to agree with the conclusions, just understand that given the premises of the theory, the conclusion that evaluative statement are meaningless follows (this doesn't mean it is true, however). If you described a theory whose premises suggested that evaluative statements were factually meaningful, I would likely accept the logic, but not the truth of the conclusion...because one can understand why a conclusion follows from a set of premises without believing in the conclusion (because premises themselves require yet another set of arguments to be substantiated). But I wouldn't ask you to describe that whole logic here...that's impossible. We could dive into the details of the premises and foundations of the theory offline, if you like. I have several sources I could recommend, as well as a number of papers I've written or published on the topic. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 22:56:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB88D3BF4A; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:56:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=FhfKEcWp0ln/UqiVUarYBJR3uT/0+uUzUiig4wR3HCNDHMNmdDSNhbleUP+1lw+dr1Z3dWEhtOvFafG8SEjBJZJIr8tWNQhEXY2LjU8XFw04/U2QEjwAjtk4aKM58uXHbFCeCwXelB6y+WrLTSV3lxs6fVeHl4liR17ADMZIiZk=; X-YMail-OSG: 05QzsbcVM1mSj2qPN26Wn.TQCfw5F5QXsBpy68ZVxzFIOW75yS1Ha95GWdaWhqjk9t77IZrZ97F5vEgW.5a3NWvFU93ZO5OA6fX9fRqHPuAOMzP5XMg.L19BL1wJ9xuAc.Qn_PWqso_709A- Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:56:23 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Brock Subject: EDP footswitch replacement and a track To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <625772.14817.qm@web36111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:56:25 +0000 (UTC) Hey I really appreciate the help. So, if/when I replace the switches, I would rather not use the same type - anyone replaced them with something else? Thanks again, Brian Here is a track I made using the looper a couple years ago (it's a song of outdoor scrutiny with a big echoplex-swell instrumental section): http://horsesaw.com/Saw_Horse_Snow_Falls.mp3 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 23:30:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4AFC3BF46; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=R1rIC527L4XDaLwLzDZodlpOp9emoMQ+VElkRnGTWptEt/xg8eSb+77ayPdAprrvHtP01D+xpBKHWDsFGX9UG2Z9yOtyzBytfLP4yBfMmKSpOqsKVUNJUo28NS9tnwdN2TupeDiExUwNmuu3JcKM7nPnh2lkcZyP7s8TPvLbGrU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hGrOqbPrrW4TV7k10jHmf9KZgvtBtxqAy2/6e7MrpcFAUVjcF+Eq3aNfC8UmXPpaNOn4J/bu8yMdD0Nji3GIMTp4Icx10ay14HCmrrBfqYgh3yuWf4DrUv+AhoBqDq+VVb7SgnK8dBu+1bOPSIwyX7nRj098/Fk9ITLVpau8abY= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:30:01 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: silent reverse In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_33713_19176843.1172187001569" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:30:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_33713_19176843.1172187001569 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Nope. Again, the operating paradigm of the EDP is that whatever you're doing is applied to the audio that's currently playing. If you had two EDP's, you could overdub onto the second one and go straight into reverse at the end of the loop, but that'd only work for a single overdub--the next one would be in the "opposite" direction from the first. TravisH On 2/22/07, Sandy Rowles wrote: > > Time for the newbie to ask another question about the EDP to the > LoopersDelight EDP pros! Is there any way to overdub a melody onto a > current loop and have it play back in reverse without first reversing the > current loop? I don't want my audience to hear the rhythm playing backwards > with a forward melody and then turn the rhythm frontwards with a melody > backwards. I want the rhythm to stay forward the whole time. Possible? > ------=_Part_33713_19176843.1172187001569 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Nope.

Again, the operating paradigm of the EDP is that whatever you're doing is applied to the audio that's currently playing.  If you had two EDP's, you could overdub onto the second one and go straight into reverse at the end of the loop, but that'd only work for a single overdub--the next one would be in the "opposite" direction from the first.

TravisH

On 2/22/07, Sandy Rowles <sandy@pajiba.com> wrote:
Time for the newbie to ask another question about the EDP to the LoopersDelight  EDP pros! Is there any way to overdub a melody onto a current loop and have it play back in reverse without first reversing the current loop? I don't want my audience to hear the rhythm playing backwards with a forward melody and then turn the rhythm frontwards with a melody backwards. I want the rhythm to stay forward the whole time. Possible?

------=_Part_33713_19176843.1172187001569-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 23:33:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEAC13BF2E; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.62] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070222204215.183F13BF5A@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: logic ,aesthetics Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:33:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2007 23:33:41.0146 (UTC) FILETIME=[E282BFA0:01C756D9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Now how would one prove that formal logic has any objective truth ,beyond what's assigned to it? I'm inclined to the sort of view at the core of bhuddism, ( and at least implied by Korzybski,Whorf Bohm,Kuhn,Goedel,Bohr,etc.)that subject/object is a mental construction, a useful tool for sorting through sense impressions and 'data',but a source of illusion if treated as being fundamental. I see desire is a key element in aesthetics,if I had a headache and just want to sleep the funkiest New Orleans parade band could be a serious bummer,but if I want to feel excited and joyous, loose and rowdy,what could be better? When I played a lot of dance music I observed that the bands that made people really give it up and raise a sweat dancing were feeling the rhythm ,and energy of the room,and working with it like someone dancing with a partner. Some instruments mimic human voice,and players that work that connection can elicit emotional responses. As do melodic phrases that mimic speech. Those of us who are just fascinated,obsessed with sound,can respond to things others don't notice,so I would say one approach to good composition is effectivey working with the attention of the listener,providing something familiar that gives a frame of reference,and then contrasting that with something new,that is delightful or profound,or whatever. Since nerve endings only register difference,too much of the same stimulus can stop registering at all,hence the sensory isolation tanks,and various trance music traditions can cause people to not register their physical surroundings. So working with contrast tends to keep the music in the field of attention. Melody ,melodic phrasing ,ancd certain types of "rhytmic driving" affect brain wave freq.s and can cause the brain halves to entrain,functioning in a more or less balanced way. Music that engages listeners and takes them out of their habitual thought patterns,so that they forget their troubles and lay down their burdens,will often bring them back for more.The blues among other forms,is rooted in this approach,though some players don't understand that-or care maybe. Personally I like really wierd stuff,but I know that some kinds really weird stuff can sometimes be put across to listeners that aren't interested by making it groove. To judge a piece,of any art form,I try to look at the intent of the artist,and wether they use their materials well ,effectively, in pursuing that intent. There are artists who are very skillful at the craft aspects that don't speak to me.A lot of Mozart ,esp. earlier stuff ,sounds like fluff to me,but it seems to reflects the emotional orientation of the audience he was writing for,upper crust germans in the days when men wore powdered wigs.I recognize that his stuff is well crafted. _________________________________________________________________ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE.  http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 01:05:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8436E3BF2D; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:05:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: silent reverse Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:05:16 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c756e6$ae338fb0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C756A3.A0104FB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcdW0tKdS4Uit3lzTkWs4ZfUvAoRMgAEyzYw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:05:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C756A3.A0104FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Possible, but you would need to have another delay capable of reverse play before the EDP. The Line 6 DL4 works nicely for this, I do it all the time, very dope -sounding, and you can use an expression pedal to control the mix between dry and fully backwardized. You can hear examples on my myspace site www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist ~Greg _____ From: Sandy Rowles [mailto:sandy@pajiba.com] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: silent reverse Time for the newbie to ask another question about the EDP to the LoopersDelight EDP pros! Is there any way to overdub a melody onto a current loop and have it play back in reverse without first reversing the current loop? I don't want my audience to hear the rhythm playing backwards with a forward melody and then turn the rhythm frontwards with a melody backwards. I want the rhythm to stay forward the whole time. Possible? ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C756A3.A0104FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Possible, but you would need to = have another delay capable of reverse play before the EDP. The Line 6 DL4 = works nicely for this, I do it all the time, very dope –sounding, and you can = use an expression pedal to control the mix between dry and fully backwardized. = You can hear examples on my myspace site www.myspace.com/gre= gwilliamsguitarist

 

~Greg

 

 


From: Sandy = Rowles [mailto:sandy@pajiba.com]
Sent: Thursday, February = 22, 2007 2:43 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: silent = reverse

 

Time for the newbie to ask another question about the EDP to the LoopersDelight  EDP pros! Is there any way to overdub a melody onto = a current loop and have it play back in reverse without first reversing = the current loop? I don't want my audience to hear the rhythm playing = backwards with a forward melody and then turn the rhythm frontwards with a melody backwards. I want the rhythm to stay forward the whole time. Possible? =

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------=_NextPart_000_0F24_01C756BE.FA6B75F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 04:42:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF7F33BF1E; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: silent reverse Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:42:19 -0800 Message-ID: <000301c75705$003e89e0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdW0tKdS4Uit3lzTkWs4ZfUvAoRMgAL2pNQ In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Sandy, I regret that my previous post in regards to your 'reverse melody over a forward loop' was less than articulate and perhaps unhelpful, so let me = try again: I don't believe what you want to do is possible with the EDP alone, but = the musical effect you are going for is easily doable if you acquire an additional delay unit capable of reverse play and add it to your signal chain somewhere between your instrument and the EDP. This is also a more flexible option than what you were considering as you can choose whether = you want your reverse melody to be looped or not. I like the Line 6 DL4 for = this function because of the expression pedal capabilities (not to mention = that the DL4 can double as a very portable basic looper on its own), but I believe a less expensive option is the BOSS DD6, which has a reverse function, is stereo, but does not have the expression pedal capability. Either pedal, in my opinion, would be worth the extra expense, because = you obviously have the good warped taste to even desire such a dope-ass = musical effect. Hope this helps and good luck! ~Greg ________________________________________ From: Sandy Rowles [mailto:sandy@pajiba.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: silent reverse Time for the newbie to ask another question about the EDP to the LoopersDelight=A0 EDP pros! Is there any way to overdub a melody onto a current loop and have it play back in reverse without first reversing = the current loop? I don't want my audience to hear the rhythm playing = backwards with a forward melody and then turn the rhythm frontwards with a melody backwards. I want the rhythm to stay forward the whole time. Possible?=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 05:06:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 582BF3BF1D; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Cc: Subject: RE: EDP footswitch replacement and a track Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:06:23 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <625772.14817.qm@web36111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Brian, the British Audio Site has heavy duty replacement switches as well. ~peace~ plish > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Brock [mailto:btbrock@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 4:56 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: EDP footswitch replacement and a track > > > Hey I really appreciate the help. So, if/when I replace the switches, > I would rather not use the same type - anyone replaced them with > something else? Thanks again, > > Brian > > Here is a track I made using the looper a couple years ago (it's a song > of outdoor scrutiny with a big echoplex-swell instrumental section): > http://horsesaw.com/Saw_Horse_Snow_Falls.mp3 > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > __________________ > Bored stiff? Loosen up... > Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. > http://games.yahoo.com/games/front > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 05:51:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B33943BF2D; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:51:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <022220071607.26851.45DDBFBD000992E5000068E32215567074020A050C07080C0B0A07 9D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <022220071607.26851.45DDBFBD000992E5000068E32215567074020A050C07080C0B0A07 9D00070B0703@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:09:45 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: ontology and epistemology of aestheitics Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2007 05:51:05.0985 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BE2F710:01C7570E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:51:08 +0000 (UTC) for me it worked well in the eso and hippie scene, too! since 1988 most of my long term relationships started at a gig of mine. or at least I wa understood through the music. and many other good friendships and admirors I did not have time or ... for... even a dentist. One of my nicest love affair ever started from an unrepairable EDP: It always worked when I was with her... so we ended up exchanging EDPs... before, with progressive and simple rock, it did not work at all. They only wanted the singer. :-) >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Steve Lawson > > >Can I just say that this is my favourite thread subject for ages... >what a great subject line... And a fascinating discussion. > >So anyway, how does looping help me get chicks? > > >Only if you are hanging out at the Philosophy or Art deparment at a >local university! :) Otherwise, you've just sprayed yourself all >over with a large whopping can of "Girl-A-Away". > >Kris > -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 06:45:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8AF43BF11; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: Immersive sound Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:44:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdW2kJjWhN9v6YTQYO0BHv9+MZGgwAOn0Bw Message-Id: <200702222247500.SM03324@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D8e04023b00003c0f.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:45:05 +0000 (UTC) While there are such beautiful threads right now, I thought it might be a good time to ask about this. Like many of you, I'm fascinated by sound, and also by 'music'. One experience I'd like to create in live performance - either in my home studio/music room, or small venue, is a sense of being "immersed in the sound". I'm not really referring to 'surround sound' , but a multi-channel system may be required. Maybe a rear channel with a little delay added (reminiscent of the old quadraphonic "ambient" speaker idea). What do you think? -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 07:14:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD5383BF3F; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAMoi3kXUSnIvk2dsb2JhbACPKgEBAQEHDgweklwBAQGBSQ Message-ID: <45DE9474.5090008@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:15:00 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Well OT Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DD72AF.30500@tiscali.co.uk> <0cd601c75696$5ca2e150$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDD609.9020801@tiscali.co.uk> <0da401c756b1$a275d5a0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DE13B1.5080107@tiscali.co.uk> <0e1901c756d4$0bcae410$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0e1901c756d4$0bcae410$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > If you understand > the theory and premises, > then you will understand the points I made. Unless the theory is flawed, which it seemed to be. ...but you're absolutely right, this shouldn't be on list. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 07:39:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2611E3BF40; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=6FBiMr0rWGI0hBNa2PJkytXrcTesSCzwfxbvndAfY2rNwo3/qTyNuF9JSW8nQSrn84zAbnQyr+FDY7fJEU7SDhM6WMOrYMTxehMEoPLg8kk7ZaBRbkszoLxzXqIL9AbYJt046xqsifwhdm9iXK2t8QW1oVh3CcOq4YA09Y/aX4U=; X-YMail-OSG: hnMIAuUVM1ms_vzbIC3SljlXOyKStA98qrFIlsabOYBAIhLWZH_CWRSi_lPL46ZW4r.DmdcbKc8ifGjqf.h5bBfJuMeSqRvrq1DYVldgGZUi3FLOaaCy8lUSd1WWNgORJzVsYfaCU6VhRZ0- Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:39:28 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: wireless headset microphones for looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45DCDDB1.8020200@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <61312.26371.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:39:31 +0000 (UTC) hey Josh thanx for the tip! i found the website: http://www.countryman.com/ which model are u using? are u using it with a whole band or solo shows? any pros or cons as far as feedback,comfort etc? thanx Luis --- Joshua Carroll wrote: > Not for looping, but we've been very happy with the > Countryman headset mics. > > --Josh > > > > L.A. Angulo wrote: > > I am curious to know if anybody is using such > > micros,good brands for the buck, advantages > > disadvantages etc. one of the problems i have when > > singing and looping a b c parts is having to step > on > > the next loop button quick enough so it got me > > thinking about this.On the other hand i like to > loop > > hand percussion so i see i would still have a > separate > > micro. > > Any thoughts,experiences? > > cheers > > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the > forecast > > with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 08:49:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFBB43BF4A; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DHKGcxhpKEpoOCkEZ5uQmSvD7LarjkitYu8Y5DND8BSoiGXStD1KV7q5atnJ/XNRn7lBVnbuUXFl4HsZMrogKA1wHT67vaZEfIxfjylwCuTsdQXFGAlz0aBQ756yev8hBiBlgwe6MkkbPJYj8HsjVrpkM2byza0u6BXozLd5lbA=; X-YMail-OSG: oEJzY_QVM1lzZStfbw5NU1k2vJg_RRh0YANSrJtyWBLQshLRjXyj.6eVDi.wb799gPLEiSUmp0gc9qmqK2hcG7xeH5M8y53nePDlWI_xwhXISIvgQGc1bEAdoOjuoDVDG0BcaTTFTVtv142RtZyBxcBDThk- Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:49:40 -0800 (PST) From: rabbirabbifive Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V07 #149 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070223044209.7C6E23BF24@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <179928.732.qm@web60311.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:49:40 +0000 (UTC) > I will rest my case with the comment that there is indeed a > philosophy that > implies any statement > with a term like "good" in it, is devoid of literal/factual meaning. I'm guessing that "devoid of literal/factual meaning" means something like, "I choose to exclude such matters from this philosophy". Why anyone would choose to center one's self in a philosophy that excludes exactly the questions that most challenge us as human beings- what is truth, what is beauty, what is good (or The Good), for examples- is rather beyond me, though I suspect it has something to do with the 20th century fear of anything with a whiff of the metaphysical about it. > If you understand the theory and premises, > then you will understand the points I made. You aren't expected to > agree with the conclusions, > just understand that given the premises of the theory, the conclusion > that evaluative statement are > meaningless follows. "Meaningless" to whom, exactly? It doesn't follow that something has to be part of the sensory world, or relate to it, to be "meaningful". Beauty, Truth and Goodness are about as meaningful as it gets, and some of us, at least, think these things real, and find intellectual attempts to exclude them from serious philosophical discussion to be wrongheaded at best, and sinister at worst. ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 09:27:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39CCB3BF4F; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JSZPND+av/8aXNLrynI3kmqLhO+zpWnXZ3R8nJZW7/guFXygVoRjrw2CM5sQfH3Dambm40DV9xa+XwG06TVa8XOJcE68uukMTgI9f4eRVldIULpnTik0Wzfdl/cuq/Z8JWNbV6zrGZEtYbNh3OoMS1fKbBr/rgyf4Scfn9r7/Pk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=m5o1yIjgZYQZvmY9yXBu6tv+OKJrFv1FxemlUclPV2ske0qIJLCDcTkv+G/fwK/2nxemx5dWn61tWLtBSZMC7LnFUYT0CVa3kBjk5By7vdF8B0Nj4xaI4lWjN1Jb9LOS8oCr/VPh86N/Ukle0PyvgkjmPZkrvQEaPjfijR7l5Hw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200702222247500.SM03324@quahome> References: <200702222247500.SM03324@quahome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0EE64244-B2E4-4997-9406-55BA4CFA859E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Immersive sound Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:27:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-Aqx8B.A.53.KOr3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:27:39 +0000 (UTC) On 23 feb 2007, at 07.44, Qua Veda wrote: > While there are such beautiful threads right now, I thought it =20 > might be a > good time to ask about this. Like many of you, I'm fascinated by =20 > sound, and > also by 'music'. One experience I'd like to create in live =20 > performance - > either in my home studio/music room, or small venue, is a sense =20 > of being > "immersed in the sound". I'm not really referring to 'surround =20 > sound' , > but a multi-channel system may be required. > > Maybe a rear channel with a little delay added (reminiscent of the old > quadraphonic "ambient" speaker idea). > > What do you think? > -Qua I share your interest for immersive sound! That trick you're =20 describing, a rear channel with a little delay added, is indeed very =20 powerful! I have used it on surround DVD soundtrack recordings. But =20 I have never had a chance to try it live, which I would really like =20 to do some day. A couple of years back I suggested an annual Swedish/Danish =20 electronic music festival to put me up for a surround concert, my =20 idea was that the venue should provide at minimum two stereo PA =20 systems and that I should simply assign different looping tracks in =20 Mobius for different speaker locations. This never happened though, =20 but in 2005 I was lucky to be in the audience at the looping festival =20= in Z=FCrich to hear flutist Stefan Keller. Stefan had brought his own =20= little PA for the rear stereo position - attacking the audience from =20 behind. He was using an EDP, two repeaters and a TC Electronics =20 FireworX and he simply cabled one stereo output from a Repeater to =20 the rear PA system (i.e. the same simple solution I had been =20 suggesting the other festival). I think everyone that was in Z=FCrich =20= listening to Stefan's, concert will chime in with me that those =20 sparse "loops from behind" did a lot. I think this concept, with =20 particular "rear loops", is better for a live application compared to =20= the concept you mentioned; feeding the rear stereo pair with the same =20= audio as the front, but a little delayed (if you're not particularly =20 interested in creating a fake room that appears to be bigger than the =20= actual physical room). You could expand that setting a lot more than =20 Stefan did in Z=FCrich, like for example recording into many loops at =20= the same time - both front and rear loops - and then eventually delay =20= the rear ("slip" on repeater and Mobius). There are lots of stuff =20 that would be fun to test out on such a system; reversing the rear =20 loop or pitch transposing it, just to name a few. Well, one year later I got called in for that particular festival I =20 had suggested to build a round stage with multi channel PA's =20 surrounding the audience and they put me up to play in a concrete =20 underground room that was managed by the Danish artist collective =20 http://ambiunix.komponent.dk. And that was truly awesome! These guys =20 had 18 audio channels covering left, right, front, rear, and the =20 ceiling. Then they had written their own PD patches to distribute a =20 simple stereo feed over this system. While I played some usual live =20 looping over a stereo output, another guy was manipulating the =20 surround system from a laptop running that certain PD patch. The =20 experience, both on stage and at the audience position, was being =20 inside the sound, freely floating in a three dimensional sound =20 universe. I won't waste more list bandwidth by describing their =20 system, but anyone interested can find pretty detailed information at =20= their web site. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 10:04:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43BA53BF47; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:04:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00cb01c75732$047c6130$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: ontology and epistemology of aesthetics Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:04:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:04:38 +0000 (UTC) midifriedchicken said, "And we move swiftly to the subject of "Who listens to this shit anyway?" Answer: Not really anybody. I mean, I love it, but if you play "New" music for most people, they get that glazed look in their eye and start looking at their watch...............Thats why I have 2 sometimes 3 setlists ready at all times. One for money, one for art and one more for money." God forbid that you should make music because YOU love it. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 11:02:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1E053BF4D; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <10b001c75739$d8ad0ac0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DD72AF.30500@tiscali.co.uk> <0cd601c75696$5ca2e150$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDD609.9020801@tiscali.co.uk> <0da401c756b1$a275d5a0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DE13B1.5080107@tiscali.co.uk> <0e1901c756d4$0bcae410$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DE9474.5090008@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Well OT Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:00:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:02:38 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" >> If you understand the theory and premises, then you will understand the >> points I made. > Unless the theory is flawed, which it seemed to be. They're all flawed, so that seems to be a moot point, not an advantage to any of us. You aren't offering a counter-theory that you think is not flawed, I hope...correct? Find me a speculative theory of these sorts that is both complete and consistent (showing that Gödel was wrong). Flawed is a requirement of even being invited to the poker game. It is the thinkers in human history who claim that their theories are air tight and have no flaws that scare us and become dangerous. I like flawed. It means that speculative thinking is not a dead discipline, and that all those philosophy books in the libraries ought not to be burned afterall, because each theory has some piece of expanding human understanding. So, I am cool with retorts that a theory is flawed, provided one also admits that the theory they are proposing in its place has its own imperfections, and that we have agreed to take the analysis down a deeper level. But I think we may have worked this out offline, eh? Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 11:26:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 645AB3BF54; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <10bd01c7573d$26b6e350$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <179928.732.qm@web60311.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V07 #149 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:24:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:26:20 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "rabbirabbifive" > I'm guessing that "devoid of literal/factual meaning" means something > like, "I choose to exclude such matters from this philosophy". No, it doesn't. The theory leads to the conclusion that that there are no value-based statements that are also statements of fact. One only choose the original premesis or assumptions of the theory, which lead to that conclusion. So, one doesn jump directly to choosing that conclusion...rather the theory leads to it - IF you accept the original assumptions. > Why anyone would choose to center one's self in a philosophy that > excludes exactly the questions that most challenge us as human beings- > what is truth, what is beauty, what is good (or The Good), for > examples- is rather beyond me, though I suspect it has something to do > with the > 20th century fear of anything with a whiff of the metaphysical about > it. So, since you are talking about me here, personally, I am on guard.. But, to correct your statement above, one doesn't exclude those questions at the outset...the exclusion comes after the theory is worked out and understood. You make it sound like these philosophers just started with the assumption that a certain type of question are illegitemate, which is not correct. > >> If you understand the theory and premises, >> then you will understand the points I made. You aren't expected to >> agree with the conclusions, >> just understand that given the premises of the theory, the conclusion >> that evaluative statement are >> meaningless follows. > > "Meaningless" to whom, exactly? > It doesn't follow that something has > to be part of the sensory world, or relate to it, to be "meaningful". You're misquoting the theory. The theory does say that these terms are meaninful, only that they are not meaningful in the context of fact-based statements like "X is good" or "X is beautful". It is a very technical theory and you are trying to oversimplify it here, so that it seems easily refutable. The terms have a lot of meaning when they are translated into emotive based language. That's the gist of the theory. So, for me personally, when someone tells me that they think Mozart is "better" than Bach, I do the translation myelf (it is automatic now after so many years). I take that to mean, not that Mozart has some objective quality of "goodness" that Bach does not have, but but that the person who makes this statement has stronger feelings toward Mozart....and the interesting thing is that when you ask people to qualify those sort of "good, better, best" statements, they often elaborate with the way they feel about them, which sort of supports the theory. Don't get hung up on the fact that the theory says the terms are meaningless...they mean that in a very technical way in the context of linguistics and epistemology. > Beauty, Truth and Goodness are about as meaningful as it gets, and some > of us, at least, think these things real, and find intellectual > attempts to exclude them from serious philosophical discussion to be > wrongheaded at best, and sinister at worst. Yes, I would expect this. It is a natural consequence of human diversity. Now, shall I ask the group, "why would anyone believe this sort of thing"? No. That seems a bit unfair, when afterall we are talking about very abstract theories here. Each deserves some respect, as do the holders of them. To ask why anyone would beliieve such thing seems a bit condesending, as if your way of thinking is the only way. Some of us call that dogma. It surprises me that you asked that question above. One has the right to question the questions as well, and often we find that we are asking the wrong type of questions. The questions often frame how we go about with our investigations. Have you read Sherlock Holmes? :) It's just that some philosophers, not just 20th century (there were Greeks and middle age thinkers who thought this way too), argued that questions like "What is Good?" or "What is Beauty" are not really questions, but language structures that lead us down a myriad of rabbit holes. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 12:46:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9726C3BF15; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:46:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:45:55 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: OT: Steve Jobs calling for music distribution without keys Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2007 12:46:12.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[998B8D30:01C75748] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:46:19 +0000 (UTC) http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 12:59:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07CCF3BF15; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKZz3kXUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACPKwEBAQEHDgweknUBAQGBSQ Message-ID: <45DEE2DA.3090909@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:49:30 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Well OT Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DD72AF.30500@tiscali.co.uk> <0cd601c75696$5ca2e150$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDD609.9020801@tiscali.co.uk> <0da401c756b1$a275d5a0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DE13B1.5080107@tiscali.co.uk> <0e1901c756d4$0bcae410$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DE9474.5090008@tiscali.co.uk> <10b001c75739$d8ad0ac0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <10b001c75739$d8ad0ac0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-blLhC.A.H9.kUu3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" > >>> If you understand the theory and premises, then you will understand >>> the points I made. > >> Unless the theory is flawed, which it seemed to be. > > They're all flawed, LOL noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo............ offlist please andy (we must be the only ones reading this thread) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 13:41:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4FCD3BF11; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:41:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:40:58 +0100 From: aandreas@gmx.ch Message-ID: <20070223134058.97480@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Boss RC-2 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #16615515 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19YYTB7UetYbTGiIhQpyEeiZr/ullx2co7witT5H2 7MNBW16CP5+TjohVpsY+m7r0w= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:41:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi all! Im interested in a Boss RC2 looper, but have a question about something that i wasnt able to found out yet.. im sure someone here knows. Is it possible to , say, record a 2 second loop, then overdub a 4 second phrase, then overdub a 8 seconds one, etc...? can i overdub phrases that are x times multiply the length of the original loop? and does the overdub start/stop commands get quantized to that? Thanks! -Andreas -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 13:59:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31FC33BF1E; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.35] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.35} Message-ID: <20070223075955.s8dwb80iqso88gwg@69.89.21.76> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:59:55 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Well OT Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DD72AF.30500@tiscali.co.uk> <0cd601c75696$5ca2e150$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDD609.9020801@tiscali.co.uk> <0da401c756b1$a275d5a0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DE13B1.5080107@tiscali.co.uk> <0e1901c756d4$0bcae410$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DE9474.5090008@tiscali.co.uk> <10b001c75739$d8ad0ac0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DEE2DA.3090909@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <45DEE2DA.3090909@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Quoting andy butler : > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" >> >>>> If you understand the theory and premises, then you will =20 >>>> understand the points I made. >> >>> Unless the theory is flawed, which it seemed to be. >> >> They're all flawed, > > LOL > noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo............ > > offlist > please > > andy > (we must be the only ones reading this thread) Well, I've been reading the thread. I view composition as a *process* wherein I start with some kind of =20 musical idea and then develop it somehow. While the goal of the work =20 is to create something that 'transcends' the technicalities, I tend to =20 put those thoughts out of my mind and 'get on with the task at hand'. If I have a fleeting thought while I am at work composing such as =20 "This is great... or this is horrible" ... I view the thoughts as =20 "meaningless" in the sense that thoughts sometimes come and go like =20 leaves floating in the wind. Thus, I don't get too wrapped up in philosophical questions -- I just =20 compose. I try to focus on the task at hand, create music, and let =20 philosophy take care of itself. Philosophy is a noble pursuit, to be sure. Philosophy doesn't help me =20 to work out a difficult key change, though. :) Ultimately, to look back on one's work and to feel a sense of =20 satisfaction can be very uplifting. Whether the words to describe the =20 feelings have meaning or not, may we all experience the joy and =20 inner-peace that come from a job well done. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 14:22:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C6F73BF15; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bLHFKbuOniQMVK8hE2JzchwKa2HGq0dWzPeulxEC+zOk5oJOVp0HlfCfdRjvMozlXm1PD5O7eyI0Xckalpzsbi2XmtNQLtEhwhQgJMLvLNLSET7vNqV+tQ2qmcbLqy1ahqNEwlwH/fSnxT6zgRH7zZ4C46GcA8+f7JaGS9ivebk=; X-YMail-OSG: tkAm6OAVM1njdbALY.ioLUYWKLnVNl1.dS1Pe8j7QR7h7v3CArcu8b3pp_Ltx7_Xm7AI4SQIJshid6l3s8aFGJNAUKt64mnYN2FjapOq87j4l_zqkDqT0iSP6WeaxG0XQgqWvx.cIl4gspw- Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:22:45 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070223134058.97480@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-528265777-1172240565=:79554" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <716610.79554.qm@web53012.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7u6_PB.A.xSF.2iv3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:22:47 +0000 (UTC) --0-528265777-1172240565=:79554 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Andreas, In a word, no, this is not possible. You have to remember that the RC2 and RC20s are very simple devices that don't have the ability in themselves to multiply phrases. The way I have gotten round this myself is to use additional delay pedals to produce shorter loops, then record these 2, 4 or 8 times onto the RC20 to produce more lengthy loops. This is a REALLY unsatisfying way or working, but it does work. Stephen aandreas@gmx.ch wrote: Hi all! Im interested in a Boss RC2 looper, but have a question about something that i wasnt able to found out yet.. im sure someone here knows. Is it possible to , say, record a 2 second loop, then overdub a 4 second phrase, then overdub a 8 seconds one, etc...? can i overdub phrases that are x times multiply the length of the original loop? and does the overdub start/stop commands get quantized to that? Thanks! -Andreas -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. --0-528265777-1172240565=:79554 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Andreas,
In a word, no, this is not possible.  You have to remember that the RC2 and RC20s are very simple devices that don't have the ability in themselves to multiply phrases.  The way I have gotten round this myself is to use additional delay pedals to produce shorter loops, then record these 2, 4 or 8 times onto the RC20 to produce more lengthy loops.  This is a REALLY unsatisfying way or working, but it does work.
Stephen

aandreas@gmx.ch wrote:
Hi all!

Im interested in a Boss RC2 looper, but have a question about something that i wasnt able to found out yet.. im sure someone here knows.
Is it possible to , say, record a 2 second loop, then overdub a 4 second phrase, then overdub a 8 seconds one, etc...?
can i overdub phrases that are x times multiply the length of the original loop? and does the overdub start/stop commands get quantized to that?

Thanks!
-Andreas
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Toolbar. --0-528265777-1172240565=:79554-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 14:46:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FA723BF2D; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:46:26 +0100 From: "andreas schnetzler" In-Reply-To: <716610.79554.qm@web53012.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070223144626.69980@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <716610.79554.qm@web53012.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #16615515 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+gKmwniWSg9hYr9KGZg5MYpl1IL6laCXsVxipWHh TrP4PJ0QcDC3U4QGOEUXjz7wQ= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:46:28 +0000 (UTC) hi Stephen, ok, thanks for the answer! so, overdubs are always the length of the original track then. so when one overdubs for longer than the original loop, i guess it does just overdub 'multiple tracks', or does it stop overdubing once the end of the loop is reached? thanks again, -a -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:22:45 -0800 (PST) Von: Stephen Scott An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Betreff: Re: Boss RC-2 question > Hi Andreas, > In a word, no, this is not possible. You have to remember that the RC2 > and RC20s are very simple devices that don't have the ability in themselves > to multiply phrases. The way I have gotten round this myself is to use > additional delay pedals to produce shorter loops, then record these 2, 4 or 8 > times onto the RC20 to produce more lengthy loops. This is a REALLY > unsatisfying way or working, but it does work. > Stephen > > aandreas@gmx.ch wrote: Hi all! > > Im interested in a Boss RC2 looper, but have a question about something > that i wasnt able to found out yet.. im sure someone here knows. > Is it possible to , say, record a 2 second loop, then overdub a 4 second > phrase, then overdub a 8 seconds one, etc...? > can i overdub phrases that are x times multiply the length of the original > loop? and does the overdub start/stop commands get quantized to that? > > Thanks! > -Andreas > -- > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? 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Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 15:10:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CAF53BF0E; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lx350WuFoysa1h8iqwTjrqr3e/O/j22JxVQn0h6NukcEhXAU33Wu4xpjVRRI5fBPiqjBAOgY9wF3TvpRAqGj8DwrFtlTdeD6I8BNX7gEKaBRPCgAtK2as+APoFVsRJp8xby5h790mph+RGNyOksUku/OL3QSNesmxofYKMW6Rzo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sXt3NmGytn6yb88OzcjQDVS+d9g4b/7jcQSxpLfp+XRNAlum/noQ1a4QwNDiKpzEt7yfuHwEGYouAO0YYXXN+66Qjbuxj3j0U9mtdY/tZClKGMg0bVHFWgk8di0/COX5CqLV60vndI5RNCnLo3doFTykkfNnORmyzCHa0iYHjWs= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:10:28 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Immersive sound In-Reply-To: <0EE64244-B2E4-4997-9406-55BA4CFA859E@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200702222247500.SM03324@quahome> <0EE64244-B2E4-4997-9406-55BA4CFA859E@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Have you tried the three speaker setup described by Eno (I think it's in the liner notes for "On Land")? Two speakers hooked up normally, a third speaker connected to either the positive or negative connections of both channels (so two black or two red connections back at your amplifier/receiver)? Position the third speaker to form a triangle with the other two. Nice results for little money. TravisH > > > > Maybe a rear channel with a little delay added (reminiscent of the old > > quadraphonic "ambient" speaker idea). > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 15:10:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A41343BF2E; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:message-id; b=KGUgjU7qipVpbpg8ytiMWDbLtGbLfG2vTq6wYYgZahui7Qk5nDUMyFmcrrFVJ7FSiO194An3xoE2f7SMpkUIceNXADUAlHDUy0z8dyKaLm7iUpM10TtvUkVl8pL7smfUJnAWjuX6QawXG3SYi06TVv4b+60wumSUE24guq0adBk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:message-id; b=b8UUB1FVLx7ibkbCb9CCAXKKkTG3PZV8mkYrExoerw8ciPAtjokqqGIKDX7b3KdPsHFytXvTCsZMA1EFVb8dAq7dHvKJFpYxsNWa2HdxQSo3sF1j6kjLqNDKwgnG51+bmJbAvtEQjUe7T9FzCD7EsVv1DT52dyD4SFEaUDsTpKI= Reply-To: From: "Miles Ward" To: Subject: RE: Well OT Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:10:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcdXOiaPXKOtrKA8QfqmijCGQ1NY5AAIXoSA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <10b001c75739$d8ad0ac0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <45df03f6.33d687a6.5409.ffff953d@mx.google.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:10:54 +0000 (UTC) I find a lot of value in the re-examination of "easy language" that aesthetic anti-cognitivism encourages. Stop saying things you don't = mean folks! I feel that I'm closer to the truth of the matter when I give = that kind of finite context to my evaluations, or when others do so when evaluating me. It tastes to me to be more genuine, rewarding. Tasty! -Miles -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 3:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Well OT Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have = an excellentcomposition? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "andy butler" >> If you understand the theory and premises, then you will understand = the=20 >> points I made. > Unless the theory is flawed, which it seemed to be. They're all flawed, so that seems to be a moot point, not an advantage to any of us. You aren't offering a counter-theory that you think is not flawed, I hope...correct? Find me a speculative theory of these sorts that is both complete and consistent (showing that G=F6del was wrong). Flawed is a requirement of even being invited to the poker game. It is the thinkers in human history who claim that their theories are air tight and have no flaws = that scare us and become dangerous. I like flawed. It means that speculative thinking is not a dead discipline, and that all those philosophy books in the libraries ought not to be burned afterall, because each theory has some piece of expanding human understanding. So, I am cool with retorts that a theory is flawed, provided one also admits that the theory they are proposing in its place has its own imperfections, and that we have agreed to take the analysis down a deeper level. But I think we may have worked this out offline, eh? Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 15:13:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFA133BF34; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Immersive sound Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:13:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200702222247500.SM03324@quahome> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 23823 Message-Id: <8C925744506E72F-6BC-35DC@WEBMAIL-RB04.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 152.163.16.68 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <1d_uJ.A.Jc.aSw3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:13:30 +0000 (UTC) qua....per was 100% correct about the zurich show, it sounded wonderful.....i use mackie srm 450s when i play, the last gig i did was at a smallish gallery and i added my small fender "champ" as a third sound source.....2 things i noticed, 1) it made the overall sound more immersive and 2) it added a bit of "dirt" to the more pristean (sterile) sound of the mackies thus making the overall sound a bit warmer imho.....experiment and see what you come up with and let us know the results.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 15:47:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8AEA3BF25; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:47:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=QftNcsGDLA0FYELjHoSzk83Gps/Zlq8n8aKvASswksQVIu0it8bt0bAxtOWNyMLKaeyjQ6pNolfqTczUMo1jMDdRUU1mgmGhzPHwcn0RD991EEuIPa9QG3jcqbjqbQ4s8ymtF8olX7dmDrRLn2NlKAZ75R2WirgmWDxljt+V+4Q=; X-YMail-OSG: YsBH46YVM1nxh46n3Iy_LNxhwnst7pBxKWIgUldyyw4h4SJokGVfz7hiewWg151hsIaPX1.s9.Fz5wB5lZOGh7X327uvLre8_6vuvDhbiFxmQ_Ujbtfc5Q-- Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:47:06 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070223144626.69980@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <110572.81577.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:47:07 +0000 (UTC) As far as overdubs are concerned, it doesn't stop the overdub mode untill you take it out of it. As the loops repeat, it'll continue adding to the loop while the bginning of the overdub plays back. It will continue to overdub the loop until you take it out of overdub mode. What I would suggest(this not being a very practical application), is figure out your longest loop first, then add the shrter ones as overdubs, not really useful if you want to record a short percussion loop and then add a longer rhythm on top. --- andreas schnetzler wrote: > hi Stephen, > ok, thanks for the answer! > so, overdubs are always the length of the original > track then. > so when one overdubs for longer than the original > loop, i guess it does just overdub 'multiple > tracks', or does it stop overdubing once the end of > the loop is reached? > > thanks again, > -a > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:22:45 -0800 (PST) > Von: Stephen Scott > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > CC: > Betreff: Re: Boss RC-2 question > > > Hi Andreas, > > In a word, no, this is not possible. You have to > remember that the RC2 > > and RC20s are very simple devices that don't have > the ability in themselves > > to multiply phrases. The way I have gotten round > this myself is to use > > additional delay pedals to produce shorter loops, > then record these 2, 4 or 8 > > times onto the RC20 to produce more lengthy loops. > This is a REALLY > > unsatisfying way or working, but it does work. > > Stephen > > > > aandreas@gmx.ch wrote: Hi all! > > > > Im interested in a Boss RC2 looper, but have a > question about something > > that i wasnt able to found out yet.. im sure > someone here knows. > > Is it possible to , say, record a 2 second loop, > then overdub a 4 second > > phrase, then overdub a 8 seconds one, etc...? > > can i overdub phrases that are x times multiply > the length of the original > > loop? and does the overdub start/stop commands get > quantized to that? > > > > Thanks! > > -Andreas > > -- > > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die > neuesten > > Browser-Versionen downloaden: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > It's here! 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TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 15:57:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16B3E3BF15; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:57:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAJud3kXUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACPKwEBAQEHDgwekykBAQGBSQ Message-ID: <45DF09F7.4050702@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:36:23 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Immersive sound References: <200702222247500.SM03324@quahome> <0EE64244-B2E4-4997-9406-55BA4CFA859E@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:57:04 +0000 (UTC) Robert Fripp had a nice quad system when I saw him at Norwich Cathedral. Some of his loops would gradually fade from his front pair of speakers into a second pair behind the audience. Very effective, gave the impression of sounds hanging in the air. Travis Hartnett wrote: > Have you tried the three speaker setup described by Eno (I think it's > in the liner notes for "On Land")? Yep, it's on the back cover of Ambient 4 on land. Also says that a higher impedance 3rd speaker van be used if you want lower volume, or use a potentiometer. I noticed that adding this speaker reduces the difference between the L and R speakers, although this effect is less with a high impedance speaker (could use a series resistance of suitable wattage) It seemed better when the 3rd speaker was quite quiet. Generally the "black" speaker connectors are both earthed together, so the +VE terminals are a better bet. One unsatisfactory thing about this setup is that it's assymetric, the 3rd speaker is in phase with one of the main speakers and not the other so there's always a hole in the surround. My theoretical "solution" was a figure 8 pattern speaker. Could always try to hook up 2 extra speakers, in series with opposite phase, and then try various positions. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 16:01:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FEFA3BF1D; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <112001c75763$d8ac5560$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <45df03f6.33d687a6.5409.ffff953d@mx.google.com> Subject: Re: Well OT Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:01:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Good point. I guess you've pegged the practical part of this non-cognitivist (NC) theory, in terms of every day practice. For example, let's say someone says "Britney Spears is better than Fripp" (which I'm sure comes across as repugnant to many of us!). All we ask is a clarification of "better" because it is a general and nebulous term (or in the extreme view, meaningless for non-cognitivists). That statement, according to NC's is meaningless....how could it possibly be universally true independent of individuals' minds, or even inside one's own mind? This statement might appear to be absurd to some folks, because there are some who feel very strongly that the statement is false (many of us here), and others (a younger and different generation) who may think it is true, but it very well can't be both true and false. The statement, according to NCs, just can't be possibly true or false, because it is impossible for them to imagine an actual fact (empirical or introspective) that would correspond to the statement (which is the common criteria for statements to be true on many epistemologies). What would the constituents of this fact be? Empirical data? Entities in the mind? What? What is "better"? Can I examine Britney Spears and find this thing called "better"? Where is the attribute? In the mind? If so, how can a person have a property that is in someone else's mind? Nuts. It's all nonsensical according to NCs, an abuse of language and violator of Occam's Razor. So, what to do with the problem statement? What to do, what to do....hmmmm. We re-translate. We ask the person making the statement to clarify what they mean. They might say, "Well, Fripp really doesn't do anything for me, and I absolutely love to dance to Britney Spear's music....or I love the way Britney's music makes me feel...or, [in coverse], Fripp's Soundscapes really put me in a nice state of mind...." and so on. Now we are getting somewhere! Now we are not hiding behind the nebulous language which introduces this mysterious entity/property of "better". We are saying what we mean, reflecting Miles' words: "Stop saying things you don't mean folks!" That harpoons the issue right in the kisser, man. It doesn't get any better than that in terms of revealing the problem. Yet, it is interesting how this above NC theory still leaves a sense of dissatisfaction with folks, because as I mentioned to Any offline: "A.J. Ayer pissed a lot of people off when he published his book as the finally blow from the Logical Positivists to rationalists and metaphysicians. There were people literally hunting him down on the streets if the UK). Logical Positivists made people very angry and defensive because they stomped all over something that most people think as sacred, namely values. It makes people irate when a philosophy states that their use of the term good, evil, right, wrong, etc...is meaningless and just their emotive reaction. Human beings are comforted in the idea that their values are somehow "out there", objective" and authorities....it makes them feel secure, vs. ladened with doubts and thoughts that they are on their own with their own, with only emotion as the basis of their principles." - now enters Existentialism and the notion of taking responsibility for one's own actions....no objective security blanket out there to bail us out! :) So, moreover, despite the bad taste that NC puts in the mouths of traditionalists, rationalists, and objectivists...the outcome I think is productive, because it forces us to be honest with each other. X is better than Y tells me nothing, but if someone elaborates on how a piece of music makes them feel in detail, this is really insightful! This is the type of reaction I like to hear about my own music. "Better" just complicates things. I thank the NC theory in this case. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miles Ward" To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:10 AM Subject: RE: Well OT Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? I find a lot of value in the re-examination of "easy language" that aesthetic anti-cognitivism encourages. Stop saying things you don't mean folks! I feel that I'm closer to the truth of the matter when I give that kind of finite context to my evaluations, or when others do so when evaluating me. It tastes to me to be more genuine, rewarding. Tasty! -Miles -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 3:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Well OT Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" >> If you understand the theory and premises, then you will understand the >> points I made. > Unless the theory is flawed, which it seemed to be. They're all flawed, so that seems to be a moot point, not an advantage to any of us. You aren't offering a counter-theory that you think is not flawed, I hope...correct? Find me a speculative theory of these sorts that is both complete and consistent (showing that Gödel was wrong). Flawed is a requirement of even being invited to the poker game. It is the thinkers in human history who claim that their theories are air tight and have no flaws that scare us and become dangerous. I like flawed. It means that speculative thinking is not a dead discipline, and that all those philosophy books in the libraries ought not to be burned afterall, because each theory has some piece of expanding human understanding. So, I am cool with retorts that a theory is flawed, provided one also admits that the theory they are proposing in its place has its own imperfections, and that we have agreed to take the analysis down a deeper level. But I think we may have worked this out offline, eh? Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 16:08:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44A0A3BF4A; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:08:11 +0100 From: aandreas@gmx.ch In-Reply-To: <110572.81577.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070223160811.303460@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <110572.81577.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #16615515 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/FK7IwhgzF3xVPp70tjvBxWRhgp4CkJJBn6jxung 7Rpj8QYYsJ5+82QfJ8Elubt1c= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4c4S8B.A.60D.sFx3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:08:13 +0000 (UTC) ok thanks! that clears things up. too bad it can't multiply:( still i fancy one..:) or..what would be the cheapest looper that can do that? the digitech jamman maybe? thanks again! -a -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:47:06 -0800 (PST) Von: Brian Kupferschmid An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Betreff: Re: Boss RC-2 question > As far as overdubs are concerned, it doesn't stop the > overdub mode untill you take it out of it. As the > loops repeat, it'll continue adding to the loop while > the bginning of the overdub plays back. It will > continue to overdub the loop until you take it out of > overdub mode. What I would suggest(this not being a > very practical application), is figure out your > longest loop first, then add the shrter ones as > overdubs, not really useful if you want to record a > short percussion loop and then add a longer rhythm on > top. > --- andreas schnetzler wrote: > > > hi Stephen, > > ok, thanks for the answer! > > so, overdubs are always the length of the original > > track then. > > so when one overdubs for longer than the original > > loop, i guess it does just overdub 'multiple > > tracks', or does it stop overdubing once the end of > > the loop is reached? > > > > thanks again, > > -a > > > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > Datum: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:22:45 -0800 (PST) > > Von: Stephen Scott > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > CC: > > Betreff: Re: Boss RC-2 question > > > > > Hi Andreas, > > > In a word, no, this is not possible. You have to > > remember that the RC2 > > > and RC20s are very simple devices that don't have > > the ability in themselves > > > to multiply phrases. The way I have gotten round > > this myself is to use > > > additional delay pedals to produce shorter loops, > > then record these 2, 4 or 8 > > > times onto the RC20 to produce more lengthy loops. > > This is a REALLY > > > unsatisfying way or working, but it does work. > > > Stephen > > > > > > aandreas@gmx.ch wrote: Hi all! > > > > > > Im interested in a Boss RC2 looper, but have a > > question about something > > > that i wasnt able to found out yet.. im sure > > someone here knows. > > > Is it possible to , say, record a 2 second loop, > > then overdub a 4 second > > > phrase, then overdub a 8 seconds one, etc...? > > > can i overdub phrases that are x times multiply > > the length of the original > > > loop? and does the overdub start/stop commands get > > quantized to that? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > -Andreas > > > -- > > > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die > > neuesten > > > Browser-Versionen downloaden: > > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > It's here! Your new message! > > > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > > > > -- > > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer > > Onlinekosten zu sparen! > > Ideal für Modem und ISDN: > > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > TV dinner still cooling? > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ -- "Feel free" - 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: www.gmx.net/de/go/mailfooter/topmail-out From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 16:09:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC3533BF1D; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:09:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ontology and epistemology of aesthetics Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:09:49 +0000 Message-Id: <022320071609.26376.45DF11CD000C29F9000067082216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26376_1172246989_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:09:51 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26376_1172246989_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rick, The question posed was "who listens" not "why do I make music". The 2 are seperate. The who is listening part is directly related to who is paying you. I try to put the same energy into everything I do. But the results are different depending on what style I play. MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: "RICK WALKER" > midifriedchicken said, > "And we move swiftly to the subject of "Who listens to this shit anyway?" > Answer: Not really anybody. I mean, I love it, but if you play "New" music > for most people, they get that glazed look in their eye and start looking at > their watch...............Thats why I have 2 sometimes 3 setlists ready at > all times. One for money, one for art and one more for money." > > > God forbid that you should make music because YOU love it. > > Rick > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26376_1172246989_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Rick,
The question posed was "who listens" not "why do I make music". The 2 are seperate. The who is listening part is directly related to who is paying you. I try to put the same energy into everything I do. But the results are different depending on what style I play.
MFC
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From: "RICK WALKER" <looppool@cruzio.com>

> midifriedchicken said,
> "And we move swiftly to the subject of "Who listens to this shit anyway?"
> Answer: Not really anybody. I mean, I love it, but if you play "New" music
> for most people, they get that glazed look in their eye and start looking at
> their watch...............Thats why I have 2 sometimes 3 setlists ready at
> all times. One for money, one for art and one more for money."
>
>
> God forbid that you should make music because YOU love it.
>
> Rick
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26376_1172246989_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 16:10:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6B863BF48; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:10:47 +0100 From: "andreas schnetzler" In-Reply-To: <110572.81577.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070223161047.303500@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <110572.81577.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #16615515 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19kgC5+0gpkLDwsF31fWGtUKV/4aN8GASBG+KARNc HQZnRNIl8R+VodJZIIoMQ81es= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:10:48 +0000 (UTC) just realised, one more question: the overdub-undo function, i guess that undo's the whole last overdub (from pressing start to stop), and not just the last loop-cycle that was recorded during the last overdub (given the overdub may have lastet for several cycles). am i right in this? thanks once again! -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:47:06 -0800 (PST) Von: Brian Kupferschmid An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Betreff: Re: Boss RC-2 question > As far as overdubs are concerned, it doesn't stop the > overdub mode untill you take it out of it. As the > loops repeat, it'll continue adding to the loop while > the bginning of the overdub plays back. It will > continue to overdub the loop until you take it out of > overdub mode. What I would suggest(this not being a > very practical application), is figure out your > longest loop first, then add the shrter ones as > overdubs, not really useful if you want to record a > short percussion loop and then add a longer rhythm on > top. > --- andreas schnetzler wrote: > > > hi Stephen, > > ok, thanks for the answer! > > so, overdubs are always the length of the original > > track then. > > so when one overdubs for longer than the original > > loop, i guess it does just overdub 'multiple > > tracks', or does it stop overdubing once the end of > > the loop is reached? > > > > thanks again, > > -a > > > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > Datum: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:22:45 -0800 (PST) > > Von: Stephen Scott > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > CC: > > Betreff: Re: Boss RC-2 question > > > > > Hi Andreas, > > > In a word, no, this is not possible. You have to > > remember that the RC2 > > > and RC20s are very simple devices that don't have > > the ability in themselves > > > to multiply phrases. The way I have gotten round > > this myself is to use > > > additional delay pedals to produce shorter loops, > > then record these 2, 4 or 8 > > > times onto the RC20 to produce more lengthy loops. > > This is a REALLY > > > unsatisfying way or working, but it does work. > > > Stephen > > > > > > aandreas@gmx.ch wrote: Hi all! > > > > > > Im interested in a Boss RC2 looper, but have a > > question about something > > > that i wasnt able to found out yet.. im sure > > someone here knows. > > > Is it possible to , say, record a 2 second loop, > > then overdub a 4 second > > > phrase, then overdub a 8 seconds one, etc...? > > > can i overdub phrases that are x times multiply > > the length of the original > > > loop? and does the overdub start/stop commands get > > quantized to that? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > -Andreas > > > -- > > > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? 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Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: www.gmx.net/de/go/mailfooter/topmail-out From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 16:18:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6D673BF3F; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Gjgg6m+oijaEbAd3qIEtsPGyndrgf10muS7xyp39r1JviCBb1i4ukCSBehHrwSceR0q16VfZBT7uYH0vWQS1g/3KRuhXoSAruWX/+TItEy5yjC/oPs/KwMkF/dNJDCeDDxDj3/3Cr0Jmk7Xl1do9r5zmyJWSQ/jxtZWdQhgPpOY=; X-YMail-OSG: GRG2zzgVM1nlHgY2HZ6Wxn8Nd9PivHJTFZfeh4rJw_gCVBFfqiXx.96cUtoSkawoMg-- Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:18:50 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070223144626.69980@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1592973513-1172247530=:7788" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <273807.7788.qm@web53006.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:18:51 +0000 (UTC) --0-1592973513-1172247530=:7788 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Andreas, If the RC2 works in the same way as the RC20 (and I think it does) then overdubs will always be the same length as the original loop. Yes, if you continue overdubbing over the end of the loop, the recording will continue over round onto the next loop, etc (until you come out of overdub mode). Stephen andreas schnetzler wrote: hi Stephen, ok, thanks for the answer! so, overdubs are always the length of the original track then. so when one overdubs for longer than the original loop, i guess it does just overdub 'multiple tracks', or does it stop overdubing once the end of the loop is reached? thanks again, -a --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. --0-1592973513-1172247530=:7788 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Andreas,
If the RC2 works in the same way as the RC20 (and I think it does) then overdubs will always be the same length as the original loop.  Yes, if you continue overdubbing over the end of the loop, the recording will continue over round onto the next loop, etc (until you come out of overdub mode).
Stephen

andreas schnetzler <aandreas@gmx.ch> wrote:
hi Stephen,
ok, thanks for the answer!
so, overdubs are always the length of the original track then.
so when one overdubs for longer than the original loop, i guess it does just overdub 'multiple tracks', or does it stop overdubing once the end of the loop is reached?

thanks again,
-a


Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. --0-1592973513-1172247530=:7788-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 16:21:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 749883BF5A; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Immersive sound Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:21:06 +0000 Message-Id: <022320071621.20678.45DF1472000A859C000050C62216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_20678_1172247666_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:21:08 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_20678_1172247666_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Its interesting that after all the advances in music technology, speakers have remained essentially the same. Yeah, theres better speakers, and ribbon style drivers, but the method of delivering sound has remained the same. I know Bose does some cool stuff, but still those are traditional speakers used in new ways. I would guess wireless technology would play a big part in the next phase, if it ever happens. It would be cool to someday before a gig, place a bunch of small wireless speakers (or whatever they will be) all over the room. Under tables, behind the bar, as well as on stage. Of course phasing, balance and levels would be a bitch. Just a thought. MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Travis Hartnett" > Have you tried the three speaker setup described by Eno (I think it's > in the liner notes for "On Land")? Two speakers hooked up normally, a > third speaker connected to either the positive or negative connections > of both channels (so two black or two red connections back at your > amplifier/receiver)? Position the third speaker to form a triangle > with the other two. Nice results for little money. > > TravisH > > > > > > > > Maybe a rear channel with a little delay added (reminiscent of the old > > > quadraphonic "ambient" speaker idea). > > > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_20678_1172247666_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Its interesting that after all the advances in music technology, speakers have remained essentially the same. Yeah, theres better speakers, and ribbon style drivers, but the method of delivering sound has remained the same. I know Bose does some cool stuff, but still those are traditional speakers used in new ways.
I would guess wireless technology would play a big part in the next phase, if it ever happens. It would be cool to someday before a gig, place a bunch of small wireless speakers (or whatever they will be) all over the room. Under tables, behind the bar, as well as on stage. Of course phasing, balance and levels would be a bitch.
Just a thought.
 
MFC
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Travis Hartnett" <travishartnett@gmail.com>

> Have you tried the three speaker setup described by Eno (I think it's
> in the liner notes for "On Land")? Two speakers hooked up normally, a
> third speaker connected to either the positive or negative connections
> of both channels (so two black or two red connections back at your
> amplifier/receiver)? Position the third speaker to form a triangle
> with the other two. Nice results for little money.
>
> TravisH
>
>
> > >
> > > Maybe a rear channel with a little delay added (reminiscent of the old
> > > quadraphonic "ambient" speaker idea).
> > >
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_20678_1172247666_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 16:24:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09B743BF6C; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=485ZqrrC9ZPPc7j5xm8ajSEVfy+H8sbH6P4nilHFuHQnAlyi48PmgcKlwUcJQXwbis4iurQM7Be6epVT91PUMXB8MgX/SlF/nJMYuQYUsKCYwErjiVF0MMxIiSsEqUplMjdLog1tLZqBKu0NsDDUDEVsU6NTtI5q4q50cTPS67k=; X-YMail-OSG: BSGrwz8VM1ma30d08mh35DPaIzqiufnpCN7aOyVBti89.13n5Tq.R1KQcC9gPxlyAQ-- Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:24:23 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070223161047.303500@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2037779487-1172247863=:46690" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <136431.46690.qm@web53010.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:24:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-2037779487-1172247863=:46690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Correct, it undoes from the last time that overdub was pressed (rather than the last loop cycle). andreas schnetzler wrote: just realised, one more question: the overdub-undo function, i guess that undo's the whole last overdub (from pressing start to stop), and not just the last loop-cycle that was recorded during the last overdub (given the overdub may have lastet for several cycles). am i right in this? --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. --0-2037779487-1172247863=:46690 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Correct, it undoes from the last time that overdub was pressed (rather than the last loop cycle).


andreas schnetzler <aandreas@gmx.ch> wrote:
just realised, one more question:
the overdub-undo function, i guess that undo's the whole last overdub (from pressing start to stop), and not just the last loop-cycle that was recorded during the last overdub (given the overdub may have lastet for several cycles). am i right in this?



Be a PS3 game guru.
Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. --0-2037779487-1172247863=:46690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 16:28:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 017843BF2E; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:28:20 +0100 From: "andreas schnetzler" In-Reply-To: <136431.46690.qm@web53010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070223162820.303500@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <136431.46690.qm@web53010.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #16615515 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+V1TlJUz+VsXsnKiSAW8hulHEAwwG4HVoXrsu7ep N+pXByYG8CtXJB4hVPWzqGQSY= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:28:21 +0000 (UTC) ok , great, thanks for all the infos! -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:24:23 -0800 (PST) Von: Stephen Scott An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Betreff: Re: Boss RC-2 question > Correct, it undoes from the last time that overdub was pressed (rather > than the last loop cycle). > > > andreas schnetzler wrote: just realised, one more > question: > the overdub-undo function, i guess that undo's the whole last overdub > (from pressing start to stop), and not just the last loop-cycle that was > recorded during the last overdub (given the overdub may have lastet for several > cycles). am i right in this? > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! > Games. -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 16:28:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F15443BF34; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:28:45 -0700 Message-Id: <200702231628.l1NGSjHN005398@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: RE: Well OT Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:28:46 +0000 (UTC) This all reminds me of one of my favorite lyrics by the Talking Heads Facts are simple and facts are straight Facts are lazy and facts are late Facts all come with points of view Facts don't do what I want them to Facts just twist the truth around Facts are living turned inside out Facts are getting the best of them Facts are nothing on the face of things Facts don't stain the furniture Facts go out and slam the door Facts are written all over your face Facts continue to change their shape Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 16:29:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 140FB3BF71; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 447064424 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C75767.C1A88B29" Subject: RE: Immersive sound Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:29:14 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720204DC7E@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Immersive sound Thread-Index: AcdXZo1FETcQQlLOTJKrum4WzuK6Gw== References: <200702222247500.SM03324@quahome> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2007 16:29:14.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1C54F10:01C75767] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:29:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C75767.C1A88B29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Maybe a rear channel with a little delay added (reminiscent of the old = quadraphonic "ambient" speaker idea).<< many many years ago, I saw a diagram in a late 50s hifi book where the = author suggested a way to broaden the stereo sweet-spot & pull the = stereo image forward of the flat plane between the speakers. what he did = was to add a third, fairly crappy speaker, behind the listener. it was = connected between the two "reds", i.e. the left & right +ve terminals of = his amplifier. I experimented with this a lot, trying to find the right = size & impedance of speaker so that this passive arrangement would be = balanced in terms of frequency response & output level. currently I have = a side-pod speaker from an old sony profeel video monitor, but anything = of this sort of size will work with most home hifi setups. we printed a schematic for this inside an album sleeve about ten years = ago, although brian eno beat us to it with one of his ambient efforts = ("on land"?) anyway. for an audience-type scenario, the same thing would probably = work provided that the third speaker wasn't too close to anyone in = particular. I would "sky" it if possible- sling it from the ceiling at = the rear of the venue. I would arrange for the "difference" signal to be = derived properly, with either an isolating transformer or using both = inputs of an op-amp to buffer the left & right channels into a mono = power amp driving this speaker. then play some stuff through the system = & wander around the venue checking the balance. I've been meaning to do this for a while myself, but the last few gigs = we've done in the UK have been in domed planetaria, with their own way = of creating immersive sound.. :-) duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C75767.C1A88B29 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Immersive sound

>>Maybe a rear channel with a little delay added = (reminiscent of the old quadraphonic "ambient" speaker = idea).<<

many many years ago, I saw a diagram in a late 50s hifi book where the = author suggested a way to broaden the stereo sweet-spot & pull the = stereo image forward of the flat plane between the speakers. what he did = was to add a third, fairly crappy speaker, behind the listener. it was = connected between the two "reds", i.e. the left & right = +ve terminals of his amplifier. I experimented with this a lot, trying = to find the right size & impedance of speaker so that this passive = arrangement would be balanced in terms of frequency response & = output level. currently I have a side-pod speaker from an old sony = profeel video monitor, but anything of this sort of size will work with = most home hifi setups.

we printed a schematic for this inside an album sleeve about ten years = ago, although brian eno beat us to it with one of his ambient efforts = ("on land"?)

anyway. for an audience-type scenario, the same thing would probably = work provided that the third speaker wasn't too close to anyone in = particular. I would "sky" it if possible- sling it from the = ceiling at the rear of the venue. I would arrange for the = "difference" signal to be derived properly, with either an = isolating transformer or using both inputs of an op-amp to buffer the = left & right channels into a mono power amp driving this speaker. = then play some stuff through the system & wander around the venue = checking the balance.
I've been meaning to do this for a while myself, but the last few gigs = we've done in the UK have been in domed planetaria, with their own way = of creating immersive sound.. :-)

duncan.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C75767.C1A88B29-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 16:35:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94A5B3BF6D; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:35:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070223114017.0478abb0@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:41:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? In-Reply-To: References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <54009.167.83.10.20.1172082806.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20070221142512.0273eaf8@sympatico.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-30F61800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:35:03 +0000 (UTC) At 03:40 PM 2/21/2007, you wrote: >When I was a grad assistant teaching aural skills classes at a >major university, our curriculum was designed specifically to >force the perfect-pitchers out of their comfort area. Everything >was transposed: melodic and harmonic dictation exercises and Wow, as much as this will be frustrating and painful, I need to do this! So, what's your best advice, since I'm a jazz guitarist? Just play tunes in different keys? >sight-singing melodies. Despite my students' opinions on the >matter, the purpose was not simply to torture them. It's purpose >was to get them to develop so-called "relative pitch." In other >words, rather than rely on their perfect pitch to discern pitches, >we forced them to focus on the relationship between pitches which >is far Yes. I need to do this, learn melodies by the intervalic relationships, chord progressions by root movement, etc. Chris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/699 - Release Date: 2/23/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 16:50:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12CC23BF25; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Well OT Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:49:55 -0600 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C23708A@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <45DE9474.5090008@tiscali.co.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: thread-topic: Well OT Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellentcomposition? thread-index: AcdXGk3ZF4mKL0OqRMuGnBd0jNIylgAUC5Qw References: <200702211505109.SM02192@quahome> <0c9e01c75643$0e472690$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DD72AF.30500@tiscali.co.uk> <0cd601c75696$5ca2e150$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DDD609.9020801@tiscali.co.uk> <0da401c756b1$a275d5a0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DE13B1.5080107@tiscali.co.uk> <0e1901c756d4$0bcae410$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45DE9474.5090008@tiscali.co.uk> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:50:00 +0000 (UTC) > Krispen Hartung wrote: > > If you understand=20 > > the theory and premises, > > then you will understand the points I made.=20 >=20 > Unless the theory is flawed, which it seemed to be. > ...but you're absolutely right, this shouldn't be on list. >=20 > andy Hey, does this thread constitute a public spectacle? Just curious, I didn't want to have the only one this week. :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 16:52:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA5443BF58; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:52:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001701c7576b$09ac4330$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:52:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C75773.6B3772C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2007 16:52:41.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[087F0DD0:01C7576B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:52:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C75773.6B3772C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi people,=20 wich kind of bag do you raccomend for the FCB1010 ? 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Hi people, =
wich kind of bag do you = raccomend=20 for the FCB1010 ?
Thanx
 
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http://xoomer.alice.it/eterog= eneo/
http://www.myspace.com/eteroge= neo
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C75773.6B3772C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 17:02:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF0B63BF07; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qXZJPZfyU3/yxO/+Kv8bUQsoIZcLWsCHv6urC5p1og3jSqAhFFfsGkM9XYG1KSTgzDCile2BEaCF1iAHhPkBCNHpi7mX5U4WjvsVLYcxht9CG3SiknOmKw7sw0zsmXIiR7sx8UORE0pbl20JSqUz6bLVy39jggcgNvvETyMR7k0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NIzMPoy6kDZN6MYXbD5RAnygsxrpDRvTXVn7Gp/Bwp1qaUWczDEFmVSiKR3lbEkIbHAY4t5msh7lFfyKuOX16EK6+7aXyr0GJ+ZcJl98jRV7SKqH3ebl99+PaiqtwtVJEZ/Jet22s88r5JDn3ck1AGVWOD+l1fK0V8E+WUW2w0c= In-Reply-To: <001701c7576b$09ac4330$e701a8c0@pcfabio> References: <001701c7576b$09ac4330$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4094FFC6-5FB2-48A5-AC2E-0BC6D2681A41@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:02:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:02:09 +0000 (UTC) On 23 feb 2007, at 17.52, Fabio Anile wrote: > Hi people, > wich kind of bag do you raccomend for the FCB1010 ? > Thanx We mangled this thread half a year ago and as one thing I learned then (posted by Zoe Keating) I that you can buy a violin box and rip out the interior foam to get a nice FCB box. But then I found this bigger flight case (Peli case) that is long enough to store a FCB plus other things, so I went for that solution instead. There is a less expensive brand available, as an alternative to Peli, that Jeff Keiser has. We compared them during Y2K6 Looping fest Santa Cruz and it seemed that Jeff's was as good as Peli although NASA uses Peli for their instruments (but they do not loop - well... eventually around the moon, but not in music... I think). I also have a softcase/gig-case for the FCB which is fine when you go for local gigs. But as usual with those soft cases the zippers break too easily. My zippers were good for one week and that was four years ago. I still use the softcase now and then but I have to wire it up with a huge rubber band. Not very pro ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 17:04:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1B6C3BF3D; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <119301c7576c$af505370$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001701c7576b$09ac4330$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Subject: Re: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:04:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1190_01C75732.020F58D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:04:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1190_01C75732.020F58D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd like to know too. I am considering have a custom bag built by a = company here in Boise. What I really want is not a bag, but a soft shell = case of some sort, like a thin and elongated brief case with a handle = and shoulder strap....basically rigid foam with a nylon covering.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fabio Anile=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? Hi people,=20 wich kind of bag do you raccomend for the FCB1010 ? Thanx f a http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ http://www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ------=_NextPart_000_1190_01C75732.020F58D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'd like to know too. I am considering = have a=20 custom bag built by a company here in Boise. What I really want is not a = bag,=20 but a soft shell case of some sort, like a thin and elongated brief case = with a=20 handle and shoulder strap....basically rigid foam with a nylon covering. =
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fabio=20 Anile
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 = 9:52=20 AM
Subject: fcb1010: WICH BAG = ?

Hi people, =
wich kind of bag do = you raccomend=20 for the FCB1010 ?
Thanx
 
f a
http://xoomer.alice.it/eterog= eneo/
http://www.myspace.com/eteroge= neo
------=_NextPart_000_1190_01C75732.020F58D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 17:15:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 207E13BF6F; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <119301c7576c$af505370$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <001701c7576b$09ac4330$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <119301c7576c$af505370$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-670171619 Message-Id: <9C2072CB-7C8D-4464-B8A8-2FBD5A303E52@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:14:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: 6584aecf-c361-11db-8638-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtfYVU4Cld1 UkhJRUJTEw9pBBYB BFAYVQdzfw1Yen1x e0dlX29ZWUZ/akYz Hk8qbRsGYhBgbmQa VkQWcQRXeE1MexdB OwUsAm5eYmMGe3th EwV2b25qbXAHcH0M ElwBdg1NSk8dJDNu Dx4JF2x3RBVXDxoS BDxuAHczVBF5 X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:556/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:15:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12-670171619 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed The violin case has suited me pretty well. It's a cheap, old fashioned hard one made of wood and filled with velvet. Fits the FCB exactly, with a little extra room on the end for a power cable. Plus, I can carry it onboard because everyone thinks its a violin! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Fabio Anile > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:52 AM > Subject: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? > > Hi people, > wich kind of bag do you raccomend for the FCB1010 ? > Thanx > > f a > http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ > http://www.myspace.com/eterogeneo > --Apple-Mail-12-670171619 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 The=A0violin case has suited me = pretty well. It's a cheap, old fashioned hard one made of wood and = filled with velvet. Fits the FCB exactly, with a little extra room on = the end for a power cable. Plus, I can carry it onboard because everyone = thinks its a violin!


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= --Apple-Mail-12-670171619-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 17:18:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56EE13BF46; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <11c701c7576e$99eacef0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001701c7576b$09ac4330$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <4094FFC6-5FB2-48A5-AC2E-0BC6D2681A41@gmail.com> Subject: Re: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:18:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:18:16 +0000 (UTC) This is the one Jeff uses, I believe: http://www.cases4less.com/detail_storm_2950.html Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: Re: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? > On 23 feb 2007, at 17.52, Fabio Anile wrote: > >> Hi people, >> wich kind of bag do you raccomend for the FCB1010 ? >> Thanx > > > We mangled this thread half a year ago and as one thing I learned > then (posted by Zoe Keating) I that you can buy a violin box and rip > out the interior foam to get a nice FCB box. But then I found this > bigger flight case (Peli case) that is long enough to store a FCB > plus other things, so I went for that solution instead. There is a > less expensive brand available, as an alternative to Peli, that Jeff > Keiser has. We compared them during Y2K6 Looping fest Santa Cruz and > it seemed that Jeff's was as good as Peli although NASA uses Peli for > their instruments (but they do not loop - well... eventually around > the moon, but not in music... I think). > > I also have a softcase/gig-case for the FCB which is fine when you go > for local gigs. But as usual with those soft cases the zippers break > too easily. My zippers were good for one week and that was four years > ago. I still use the softcase now and then but I have to wire it up > with a huge rubber band. Not very pro ;-)) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 17:19:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EFC53BF69; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:19:00 +0000 Message-Id: <022320071719.13270.45DF22040007DFE0000033D62216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13270_1172251140_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:19:02 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13270_1172251140_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Fender Cyber Twin footpedal works well. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Krispen Hartung" I'd like to know too. I am considering have a custom bag built by a company here in Boise. What I really want is not a bag, but a soft shell case of some sort, like a thin and elongated brief case with a handle and shoulder strap....basically rigid foam with a nylon covering. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Fabio Anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? Hi people, wich kind of bag do you raccomend for the FCB1010 ? Thanx f a http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ http://www.myspace.com/eterogeneo --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13270_1172251140_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
The Fender Cyber Twin footpedal works well.
 
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From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>
I'd like to know too. I am considering have a custom bag built by a company here in Boise. What I really want is not a bag, but a soft shell case of some sort, like a thin and elongated brief case with a handle and shoulder strap....basically rigid foam with a nylon covering.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:52 AM
Subject: fcb1010: WICH BAG ?

Hi people,
wich kind of bag do you raccomend for the FCB1010 ?
Thanx
 
f a
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13270_1172251140_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 17:20:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E2F43BF7B; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:20:04 +0000 Message-Id: <022320071720.18261.45DF2244000AF53D000047552216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18261_1172251204_0" Resent-Message-ID: <9mrCPD.A.NWB.HJy3FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:20:07 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18261_1172251204_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I mean the CASE that the cyber twin footpedal comes in. -------------- Original message -------------- From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net The Fender Cyber Twin footpedal works well. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Krispen Hartung" I'd like to know too. I am considering have a custom bag built by a company here in Boise. What I really want is not a bag, but a soft shell case of some sort, like a thin and elongated brief case with a handle and shoulder strap....basically rigid foam with a nylon covering. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Fabio Anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? Hi people, wich kind of bag do you raccomend for the FCB1010 ? Thanx f a http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ http://www.myspace.com/eterogeneo --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18261_1172251204_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I mean the CASE that the cyber twin footpedal comes in.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net
The Fender Cyber Twin footpedal works well.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>
I'd like to know too. I am considering have a custom bag built by a company here in Boise. What I really want is not a bag, but a soft shell case of some sort, like a thin and elongated brief case with a handle and shoulder strap....basically rigid foam with a nylon covering.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:52 AM
Subject: fcb1010: WICH BAG ?

Hi people,
wich kind of bag do you raccomend for the FCB1010 ?
Thanx
 
f a
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18261_1172251204_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 17:23:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AECA3BF77; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:23:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: References: <001701c7576b$09ac4330$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <119301c7576c$af505370$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9C2072CB-7C8D-4464-B8A8-2FBD5A303E52@zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: <9C2072CB-7C8D-4464-B8A8-2FBD5A303E52@zoekeating.com> Subject: RE: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:22:57 -0500 Message-ID: <023d01c7576f$447b8300$cd728900$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_023E_01C75745.5BA57B00" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcdXbirV5WoNJI1XRnCxezbdBnKvewAALw3g Content-Language: en-us X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:23:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_023E_01C75745.5BA57B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SKB now makes a case (don't know if they are in stores yet). Here is the long URL: http://www.skbcases.com/music/products/proddetail.php?f= &id=220&o=&offset=1&c=85&s=75 Dave Eichenberger: http://www.daveeichenberger.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Fabio Anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? Hi people, wich kind of bag do you raccomend for the FCB1010 ? Thanx f a http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ http://www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ------=_NextPart_000_023E_01C75745.5BA57B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

  SKB now makes a case (don’t know if they are = in stores yet). Here is the long URL: http://www.skbcases= .com/music/products/proddetail.php?f=3D&id=3D220&o=3D&offset=3D= 1&c=3D85&s=3D75

 

 

Dave Eichenberger:
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Hi = people,

wich kind of bag do you raccomend for the FCB1010 ?

Thanx

 

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------=_NextPart_000_023E_01C75745.5BA57B00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 17:46:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2899A3BF75; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:46:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 23 Feb 2007 18:02:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20070223180222.25990.qmail@webmail3.knology.net> From: "D Montgomery" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? References: <> In-Reply-To: <> X-Mailer: Knology Webmail Dec 2003 Release X-IPAddress: 4.88.63.62 X-Sender: dmont@knology.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:46:51 +0000 (UTC) I agree. The Cyber Twin Gig Bag that I have is a strong, surprisingly well designed and built bag that has served me and my 1010 well. Not a flight case, by any reckoning, but neither is it as heavy. dm www.fixedfocus.org ========================= On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:20:04 +0000, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote : > > > I mean the CASE that the cyber twin footpedal comes in. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net > > The Fender Cyber Twin footpedal works well. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 18:18:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C7413BF2F; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DF2FD8.3030709@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:18:00 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Steve Jobs calling for music distribution without keys References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Without keys? Cool! Lots more atonal podcasts coming soon? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 18:54:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E185D3BF43; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: 24.239.145.24 Message-ID: <45DF3269.1090700@sarth.net> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:28:57 -0500 From: Sarth User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Live looping at the Knitting Factory this Tuesday Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000805000900000506020306" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:54:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000805000900000506020306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, I just wanted to let you know I'll be performing at the Knitting Factory main stage this coming Tuesday. I will be doing live looping and processing using my custom Kyma patches. Pated invite below. -- Sarth =================== A warm winter greetings to you all. It is with pleasure and pride we announce Lucibel Crater has been asked to join forces with the inveterate Subtle ( http://subtle6.com ) this coming Tuesday night at the Knitting Factory main space. This Subtle sextet is visiting our gnarly town all the way from Oakland as part of their national tour ... before they meet up with TVOTR to spread their message far and wide. Together we will provide an evening of unprecedented elecro-organic imaginings. For those of you familiar with the Knitting Factory main space, you of course know this famed venue provides room for hundreds of wonderful Lucibel friends, supporters, family, and fans. This is your first opportunity to watch Luci from a balcony, and to buy tickets in advance. We hope you elect to do so. And bring friends. This invitation is for a gathering so large, we even invite you to bring strangers. Help us give these fearsome travelers a memorable stop on their tour. Discover why Beck felt compelled to do a remix on their last album. Lucibel Crater (with Subtle) Tuesday, February 27th Knitting Factory main space tickets ($12) 74 Leonard Street 8 pm doors up-to-date info at: http://lucibelcrater.com/ Much Love, -- Luci ==================================== --------------000805000900000506020306 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, I just wanted to let you know I'll be performing at the Knitting Factory main stage this coming Tuesday. I will be doing live looping and processing using my custom Kyma patches.

Pated invite below.

-- Sarth



===================


A warm winter greetings to you all.

It is with pleasure and pride we announce Lucibel Crater has been asked to join forces with the inveterate Subtle (
http://subtle6.com ) this coming Tuesday night at the Knitting Factory main space. This Subtle sextet is visiting our gnarly town all the way from Oakland as part of their national tour ... before they meet up with TVOTR to spread their message far and wide. Together we will provide an evening of unprecedented elecro-organic imaginings.

For those of you familiar with the Knitting Factory main space, you of course know this famed venue provides room for hundreds of wonderful Lucibel friends, supporters, family, and fans. This is your first opportunity to watch Luci from a balcony, and to buy tickets in advance.

We hope you elect to do so. And bring friends. This invitation is for a gathering so large, we even invite you to bring strangers. Help us give these fearsome travelers a memorable stop on their tour. Discover why Beck felt compelled to do a remix on their last album.

Lucibel Crater (with Subtle)
Tuesday, February 27th
Knitting Factory main space  tickets ($12)
74 Leonard Street
8 pm doors

up-to-date info at: http://lucibelcrater.com/

Much Love,

-- Luci

====================================
--------------000805000900000506020306-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 19:59:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A8C83BEF6; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4808.69.59.206.219.1172260770.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <45DF3269.1090700@sarth.net> References: <45DF3269.1090700@sarth.net> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:59:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Live looping at the Knitting Factory this Tuesday From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.438, required 6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.96) X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner-From: improv@peak.org X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <34siKC.A.cGD.ve03FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:59:43 +0000 (UTC) > Hey all, I just wanted to let you know I'll be performing at the > Knitting Factory main stage this coming Tuesday. I will be doing live > looping and processing using my custom Kyma patches. > > Pated invite below. > Very cool! Subtle are an awesome live band, have seen them 3 times so far. If I was cool enough to actually live in NYC and not Oregon, I'd be there. Have fun! > -- Sarth > > > > =================== > > > A warm winter greetings to you all. > > It is with pleasure and pride we announce Lucibel Crater has been asked > to join forces with the inveterate Subtle ( http://subtle6.com ) this > coming Tuesday night at the Knitting Factory main space. This Subtle > sextet is visiting our gnarly town all the way from Oakland as part of > their national tour ... before they meet up with TVOTR to spread their > message far and wide. Together we will provide an evening of > unprecedented elecro-organic imaginings. > > For those of you familiar with the Knitting Factory main space, you of > course know this famed venue provides room for hundreds of wonderful > Lucibel friends, supporters, family, and fans. This is your first > opportunity to watch Luci from a balcony, and to buy tickets in advance. > > We hope you elect to do so. And bring friends. This invitation is for a > gathering so large, we even invite you to bring strangers. Help us give > these fearsome travelers a memorable stop on their tour. Discover why > Beck felt compelled to do a remix on their last album. > > Lucibel Crater (with Subtle) > Tuesday, February 27th > Knitting Factory main space tickets > > ($12) > 74 Leonard Street > 8 pm doors > > up-to-date info at: http://lucibelcrater.com/ > > Much Love, > > -- Luci > > ==================================== > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content, and is believed to be clean. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 20:00:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D8B93BF12; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=MPQJqpm/EhDextXSbXNOeT2mvtzbKAGomNeXDpQIc6dk1vVRGC15bz6SUZrczotGI4y1FypVu0udrY46bu39seWNZ3bwbZ8JyHZKy84NcHgNRO+RXV0ETfNNsK5A775LqnrUHgn2sPZ1iIQcvaybl0oJhxaPf4optmznambB3IM=; X-YMail-OSG: lXZXEI8VM1lQPkiCI88wgUrCzwWsVrP2h1T4mvNb.OOTVKkKvY_ngSvoYlDMgNsaDrle.vMlMoTejqUH7kZibQwY6Wc5gj1z6zxuXbXwtuaywPRxTUveBy9A9TzIqluYxHPgC1gNGyvyQh.SvMOPQ20jW_I- Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:00:33 -0800 (PST) From: rabbirabbifive Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V07 #150 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070223144628.B84F93BF40@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <656290.3188.qm@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2nEzMB.A.dPD.jf03FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:00:35 +0000 (UTC) > It's just that some philosophers, > not > just > 20th century (there were Greeks and middle age thinkers who thought > this > way > too), argued that questions like "What is Good?" or "What is Beauty" > are not > really questions, but language structures that lead us down a myriad > of > rabbit > holes. Indeed they did. I disagree with them, as have many others. Rather than continue this discussion, I'll just offer my rebuttal philosopher to anyone interested- Plato- and leave it at that. “I saw too many people die, and a lot of people didn’t see any of that. They had a press conference and left. I’m looking up, fighting this incredible battle, and they’re doing press conferences and lying to the people. They’re telling them 40,000 troops are in New Orleans. It was all bull.” -Ray Nagin, Mayor of New Orleans ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 21:09:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D5623BF0E; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=XJbi8wb/u8EnxO6i536n/xDUk8LAYmuOcWBezv1DdBVaxV/FVi213rTIamG+9OUfmA85MOJmQTOpp4Lexqq2KThesKaaTed5TbLoFvfwV9EjmrcsvtuVl6XzFQHbtTQJmNWZY53Gep/2N1LfUrvNKW8I2CF0c+kJLCpcAejG6Vc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Pl4IskdMbmRUQX/27wt6poAR8t1au/f2Tu0L9Wmfsqqmd99LBlvVwpDI3jMMTYWxLTlVAy0LvfIz/NP5TYK0hHdA1U4EcqKzryBdwFnmaQX/V7yO1d1HBmwM20NZBZ0SW7EF97S+/vzB1beZSQWWauSx7gJQUX5ELijqHtB91O8= Message-ID: <9e0440a60702231309q3afc5fe1lf3f8807be07ab0dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:09:13 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Projects in the RPMChallenge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_51646_6309607.1172264953251" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:09:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_51646_6309607.1172264953251 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Just a heads-up to let everyone know that *Daryl Shawn* and myself are participating in the RPMChallenge.com "record a CD in 28 days" event. We'll have two projects in the fest, a CD from our duo Chinapainting(collaboration we started in late Oct. 06 through many NinJam's) and I have a solo CD, a fretless guitar project. All the work on both records has been recorded during February which was the requirement. We have 2 Chinapainting trax and I have 1 solo guitar track in the RPMChallenge.com jukebox as promo demos. Also LD-member Tim Nelson is participating in the RPM fest and I believe he has already completed his CD (kudos!!). Daryl and I are in the final stages and should be rushing to the post office in about 4 more days with 1 day to spare if all goes well. Cheers to all Jim Goodin -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodin.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic MySpace (EoW) - http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere Acoustic World Guitar podcast series - http://jimgoodinmusic.libsyn.com The Language of 3, an introspective performance concept in acoustic music - http://www.languageof3.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_51646_6309607.1172264953251 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Just a heads-up to let everyone know that Daryl Shawn and myself are participating in the RPMChallenge.com "record a CD in 28 days" event.  We'll have two projects in the fest, a CD from our duo Chinapainting (collaboration we started in late Oct. 06 through many NinJam's) and I have a solo CD, a fretless guitar project.  All the work on both records has been recorded during February which was the requirement.
 
We have 2 Chinapainting trax and I have 1 solo guitar track in the RPMChallenge.com jukebox as promo demos.
 
Also LD-member Tim Nelson is participating in the RPM fest and I believe he has already completed his CD (kudos!!).  Daryl and I are in the final stages and should be rushing to the post office in about 4 more days with 1 day to spare if all goes well.
 
Cheers to all
 
Jim Goodin
 
 

--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodin.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
MySpace (EoW) - http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere
Acoustic World Guitar podcast series - http://jimgoodinmusic.libsyn.com
The Language of 3, an introspective performance concept in acoustic music - http://www.languageof3.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com , Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com
------=_Part_51646_6309607.1172264953251-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 21:18:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96F333BF15; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAANbo3kXUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACPEwEBAQEHDgwek04BAQGBUA Message-ID: <45DF5A22.9050206@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:18:26 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 question References: <136431.46690.qm@web53010.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <136431.46690.qm@web53010.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Stephen Scott wrote: > Correct, it undoes from the last time that overdub was pressed (rather > than the last loop cycle). > so you could build up a big harmony, then undo at one go What happens if you leave overdub on for a time longer than the available memory? (you never know, could be something wonderful) andy butler ps hi Stephen, nice to hear from you on LD From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 21:51:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2ECD3BF11; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:51:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZYH15aRFf9/6jBHJthCUC29/KzFClB5JngRU01tAFCWa7CInblfZuPPWKUNbY70KMKHaD+hBnyCN7bTvIIO9yMsufdxZwdboyWrkt1NOAZg0/+VKaUOCxAFuBa6GdWqqxMxJlNBK88FrOua5jDSNNRjcn6SAoaq194YEDrenOv8= ; Message-ID: <20070223215115.78176.qmail@web53009.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Gdb15CYVM1nsAzH54OyfWTf4LcDctHFlYemNzY0VdPQlyBG8o9bLlDMFn4Yf3v.vaSiZWuyEcr49BPBEZvzVu5KEQhotsNvxuImVyG9qn5lFM7vNe3y3dbpkxDt_JcLkHCMFQQK_BgoktLkDf4emFs8d Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:51:15 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45DF5A22.9050206@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-63687438-1172267475=:77541" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:51:16 +0000 (UTC) --0-63687438-1172267475=:77541 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit andy butler wrote: Stephen Scott wrote: > Correct, it undoes from the last time that overdub was pressed (rather > than the last loop cycle). > so you could build up a big harmony, then undo at one go You certainly can, and sometimes I do. What happens if you leave overdub on for a time longer than the available memory? (you never know, could be something wonderful) Never tried it - I think my RC20XL has got ? 14 minutes of memory. I'll go and make a cup of tea and leave it running and report back in 15 minutes. Stephen andy butler ps hi Stephen, nice to hear from you on LD --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-63687438-1172267475=:77541 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Stephen Scott wrote:
> Correct, it undoes from the last time that overdub was pressed (rather
> than the last loop cycle).
>
so you could build up a big harmony, then undo at one go

You certainly can, and sometimes I do.

What happens if you leave overdub on for a time longer than the
available memory?
(you never know, could be something wonderful)

Never tried it - I think my RC20XL has got ? 14 minutes of memory.  I'll go and make a cup of tea and leave it running and report back in 15 minutes.

Stephen

andy butler

ps hi Stephen, nice to hear from you on LD


Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.
Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-63687438-1172267475=:77541-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 22:22:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72BA53BF0C; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=vKdbxut6XFXLXOiL6Z7/EGHHNAlTd9PKV4A6fVzvHj/GH7NAKMOIAGxMfC1kEhypB3qmRlE1JoAE4wmCzyD0iL8curN6c9IKhW8Vx5p0ZpmYTjU/+eLTkdxq465RsHQaKLPYnTgy+n78I2bYTwGaAeWz7MggXWuQW2NS0LrE9+Q=; X-YMail-OSG: KYDiUPwVM1nGEoq5Oky9LKgdKWhUMgQmyvvWFEDaSjEIp3tnPV4lu6ihSjbKwzso0vgQtGWjTlmapOzozHdk_GBi6cSrN_GuyUv3OfJBPp4KEGSZ_kEXDckkNO8O3NU3XURteb1XtP5ugAs- Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:22:05 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070223215115.78176.qmail@web53009.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-617317747-1172269325=:95931" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <270534.95931.qm@web53001.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:22:08 +0000 (UTC) --0-617317747-1172269325=:95931 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit andy butler wrote:What happens if you leave overdub on for a time longer than the available memory? (you never know, could be something wonderful) Never tried it - I think my RC20XL has got ? 14 minutes of memory. I'll go and make a cup of tea and leave it running and report back in 15 minutes. Stephen 15 minutes later, the red recording light has gone out, a green light has come on, and several other LEDs are flashing in a pattern which, if you squint carefully seems to read 'you've been had by a Mr Butler practical joke' --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. --0-617317747-1172269325=:95931 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
What happens if you leave overdub on for a time longer than the
available memory?
(you never know, could be something wonderful)

Never tried it - I think my RC20XL has got ? 14 minutes of memory.  I'll go and make a cup of tea and leave it running and report back in 15 minutes.

Stephen

15 minutes later, the red recording light has gone out, a green light has come on, and several other LEDs are flashing in a pattern which, if you squint carefully seems to read 'you've been had by a Mr Butler practical joke'


Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. --0-617317747-1172269325=:95931-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 22:34:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 062B13BF0C; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "Krispen Hartung" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:32:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <45DF6B8F.6662.2DC1C49@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <119301c7576c$af505370$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) On 23 Feb 2007 at 10:04, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I am considering have a custom bag built by a > company here in Boise. Save your money, get down to the local sports shop - I'm using a golf bag to carry a midi keyboard, a fishing bag for the PA stands and a tennis(?) pag for the FCB1010 - all very cheap, insulated, strong, lightweight, with handles and straps, plus they are (hmmmm) eye- catching! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 23:06:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BC6E3BF0A; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:06:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=T2VhSbrc8v/FblORsZaWjcje+YhJgcyvmeQF0n+FYadhCgssoFpFiXp4XtXltuS0+lheLhwG5uwHq9ujNYHn2FaVKhuaUihjhGaFxSoNi9r1HQJ3/yBjLMGKb15GY9uOK1xZj0BaOhOWaB95ett3NXM53JOEF4AqaiEY2gycKL8= ; Message-ID: <20070223230604.25979.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: z.qKWCMVM1nTJ3cYIF1zS9.b4QGKp8L1oNHg3PqvqrV0qBU1ILN2thDsRBNNQGZ10Gp8WvFbnH7oWaasbABPLQ.l2vPwUKbEhi3hhieAVDuCEqiQ78ITQRXupZKbHMGgyWeMa5dJKdapEbY- Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:06:04 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4094FFC6-5FB2-48A5-AC2E-0BC6D2681A41@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:06:06 +0000 (UTC) I've mentioned this before, but if you're in the USA and near a Ross they always seem to have bags with rollers on them that fit a FCB1010 perfectly for about $40-60. Not very pro but great for local stuff. They seem pretty sturdy and when they do break you don't cry as much as if you spent lots of cash. Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 23:07:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 821E43BEFB; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.242] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070223171507.7C65D3BF6E@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 3 speakers Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:07:23 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2007 23:07:23.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[60B8AA40:01C7579F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:07:25 +0000 (UTC) I've used the 3 speaker trick for years .In overly resonant spaces with high ceilings I've played with aiming speakers ,at one side of the room,toward the center of the ceiling, angled,not straight up,and in some spaces have overcome standing waves , this way. _________________________________________________________________ Want a degree but can't afford to quit? Top school degrees online - in as fast as 1 year http://forms.nextag.com/goto.jsp?url=/serv/main/buyer/education.jsp?doSearch=n&tm=y&search=education_text_links_88_h288c&s=4079&p=5116 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 23:35:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52F0E3BEF9; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:35:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KjT3puQdWY1rxtn+kasogcTVHbKqCQ8OgjGfM99+xMGhty6nDPRehH+N1jwHUyP6zphmiWJrfz0N+n8/2PPvjBF87sfPm652AUvg5kZIMVfNNEcBcnzk/aN6Oex8h4hPSK0SY7C+cpuAENkT7BP/bbc17azlrRvZCKDH0dbsQg4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=suBq9l+dY+gBF2UhN8nKM+RWKwq33sUmZ2oyfk8J+ZvUZftVmg9F0O0ktEziF6lSWaISnd0CzcGrof8Fuiu2b5maQ2rDvRZOonccbTybwD/LdVmOma19LDHJS3oY+n+cwL8OM7C5Lb/42g5LACIBKuTWKdzicvXiJHfGsLYWARw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:35:05 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? In-Reply-To: <001701c7576b$09ac4330$e701a8c0@pcfabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001701c7576b$09ac4330$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:35:08 +0000 (UTC) The ElectroHarmonix soft pedalboard bag also works, and it's $30 or so. The zippers haven't broken on mine in the last year. On 2/23/07, Fabio Anile wrote: > > > Hi people, > which kind of bag do you raccomend for the FCB1010 ? > Thanx > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 03:39:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB0F63BEFE; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 03:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: Immersive sound Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:39:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <45DF09F7.4050702@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdXY6JRUuxLM/vGQ8CQY0Ds6j5d1wAYUMKg Message-Id: <200702231942234.SM02740@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Db41e02700000de6e.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 03:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Once I tried using a fancy 5way cross-over to split signals to different speakers by frequency. Cool experiment, but I didn't end up being thrilled by the results. On the "3rd speaker" idea, I've thought about a mono mix to a center full range speaker with less wet FX, and 100% wet stereo mix to L and R speakers. This should be easy with most computer interfaces that have enough outputs. Or, using mixer sends to for a mono output. Either of these techniques would allow for controlling the volume and EQ of the mono mix, as well. But I hadn't thought of placing this speaker in the rear. Hmmm.... -Qua -----Original Message----- From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 7:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Immersive sound Robert Fripp had a nice quad system when I saw him at Norwich Cathedral. Some of his loops would gradually fade from his front pair of speakers into a second pair behind the audience. Very effective, gave the impression of sounds hanging in the air. Travis Hartnett wrote: > Have you tried the three speaker setup described by Eno (I think it's > in the liner notes for "On Land")? Yep, it's on the back cover of Ambient 4 on land. Also says that a higher impedance 3rd speaker van be used if you want lower volume, or use a potentiometer. I noticed that adding this speaker reduces the difference between the L and R speakers, although this effect is less with a high impedance speaker (could use a series resistance of suitable wattage) It seemed better when the 3rd speaker was quite quiet. Generally the "black" speaker connectors are both earthed together, so the +VE terminals are a better bet. One unsatisfactory thing about this setup is that it's assymetric, the 3rd speaker is in phase with one of the main speakers and not the other so there's always a hole in the surround. My theoretical "solution" was a figure 8 pattern speaker. Could always try to hook up 2 extra speakers, in series with opposite phase, and then try various positions. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 06:24:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90A4F3BEF9; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "greg williams" To: Subject: New You Tube Video Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:24:55 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c757dc$85e138e0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcdX3HXCpYp1o8byQ2CeEW5l0EI0xg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi Folks, I just posted a new video up on Youtube if anyone is interested. It's a live performance in Sacramento, where I was opening for a Yes tribute band called 'Parallels' - they're really good! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEI9RSsW5eo Usual disclaimers: My performance is a little sloppy (I was getting some fret rattle that week) and there is quite a bit of crowd and bar noise, but what the heckle... Cheers! ~Greg www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 07:56:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B0043BEFC; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 07:56:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45DFEF96.9060000@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 08:56:06 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] show me yours and i'll show you mine... References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <45DA34AE.5060207@rhein-zeitung.de> <00c001c75579$f5956180$0300a8c0@daw1> <45DC580F.8020807@infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <45DC580F.8020807@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 07:56:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi - I use the metavox in my "modfx-matrix" (http://www.wilbertmusic.de/IMG_6916_r1.JPG). I don't own a synthesizer with a lot of knobs, so I use four modfx-boxes to get a synth-like sound out of my e-piano (and to have the ability to play with a lot of hardware knobs ;-). I like the - it doesn't sound very "warm" but does its job well. It's easy to use but you have to take care of feedback over the microphone if you're playing loud - think that's an issue with all vocoders (but haven't used other vocoders until now - so I can't compare it with others). Most of the time I use my mic to trigger a string sound by doing some "manual drumming" on the mic - sounds nice. As an oscillator is included (saw, rectified saw, square and noise) you don't necessarily need a carrier signal fed into it - just plug your signal source and start playing to get some strange sounds out of the box. I do this quite often and get a nice "pitched-percussion" by drumming on the mic and turning the knobs of the metavox. Dirk Joshua Carroll schrieb: > When you do, please let us know what you think of the vocoder. I've > been watching that one come and go on eBay... > > Tony K wrote: >>> I love those Alesis ModFX boxes! >>> Does the digital row of !four! work without digital pops or crackling - >>> I stopped using their digital interfaces because of that... >>> >> >> I don't get any digital pops with them (and there are 5 in a row by the >> way.) Though they can be a bit sensitive to being bumped. Fortunately, I >> don't move them. I can imagine that they might crackle if you were using >> your foot to turn them on and off since the switch is pretty small. I also >> have the compressor and the vocoder, but haven't gotten into using them yet. >> >> Tony >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dirk Wilbert [mailto:dwilbert@rhein-zeitung.de] >> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:37 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: [LOOP] show me yours and i'll show you mine... >> >> I love those Alesis ModFX boxes! >> Does the digital row of !four! work without digital pops or crackling - >> I stopped using their digital interfaces because of that... >> >> Got to take some pictures... >> >> Dirk >> >> Tony K schrieb: >> >>>> Hi folks, what about posting pictures of your rig? there is probably >>>> >>> not one alike out there. Im >interested in what experiences people >>> have, specially in operating in strereo /mono use of fx >before/after >>> looper, regarding monitoring, use of microphones in a loop setup etc >>> etc... use of >laptop/ software in this context >>> >>> Mine can be seen here... >>> >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtonyk/sets/72157594303469033/ >>> >>> There's no pic of my latest addition - a VG-8. There are also some >>> 'before the reorganization' pics in there too. >>> >>> I have issues with the sends not being in stereo since that's how I >>> route my signal to the loopers, but I'm living with it. I might be >>> able to reroute stuff so I can get the stereo signal that I want, but >>> I haven't worked it all out yet. >>> >>> I don't use software loopers most of the time. I like physically >>> clicking and twisting. All my effects are at desktop level, I don't >>> have any loopers on the floor. I do have the VG and an RP2000 on the >>> floor, but that's it. >>> >>> -- >>> -==-=-=- >>> Tony >>> http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ >>> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 09:12:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BCDC3BEF9; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 04:09:27 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <45E000C7.6020107@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:12:00 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, February 24 at 6:00 am EST/GMT-5. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 09:25:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01A3C3BEF7; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:25:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BiE9VQkj3cOyVjISg+EabNlotiZeBg8PgvCU8G8kLvz6mYXjLVOMQeAKcwvLWuJ1Sxj9u8Moxk78DcwT5VxE5UyI75rTGpnaePsvQQ0C8T7kq0kFDh++5g0iwYvyi5ddgegVcX8ToA4Yc4VPmmBLSh01zxsLC94Y7//IAkmVBQ4= ; Message-ID: <20070224092510.18920.qmail@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: aRRvecwVM1lbYXYRmJ0XscOge0dVEXSW7yfoiFUM1gixJxkHNqFcy_DIzbo_9HWjPr1Z0bIQG25RN6B4Aybgh.oLkxgCQVTQvvBuKjbnbNn6KsGKzYhkYmgjXsgUYIBGRqSyaDh7Ncu. Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:25:10 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: RE: New You Tube Video To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c757dc$85e138e0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:25:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! Great sound and playing ! best regards Rune F. --- greg williams skrev: > Hi Folks, > > I just posted a new video up on Youtube if anyone is > interested. It's a live > performance in Sacramento, where I was opening for a > Yes tribute band called > 'Parallels' - they're really good! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEI9RSsW5eo > > Usual disclaimers: My performance is a little sloppy > (I was getting some > fret rattle that week) and there is quite a bit of > crowd and bar noise, but > what the heckle... > > Cheers! > ~Greg > www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist > > www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 11:34:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 483593BF00; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00be01c75807$c87f4db0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20070223230604.25979.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: fcb1010: WICH BAG ? Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:34:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2007 11:34:46.0017 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8CBE710:01C75807] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Thanks people for all of your kindly raccomandations. fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ http://www.myspace.com/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 12:03:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 298333BEFC; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006101c7580b$cd1d9120$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Steve Jobs calling for music distribution without keys Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:03:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Then let Mr Jobs allow his service to carry MP3 files. Simple really, much simpler than everyone producing sound files being required to march in a jackboot step together just to accommodate his personal interests, and [gasp!] MP3s don't provide Jobs with a monopolistic control over the format. Somehow I don't think he'll ever do such a thing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Friday, 23 February, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: OT: Steve Jobs calling for music distribution without keys > http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ > -- > > > ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com > s > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 14:18:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C52E3BEFE; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MGeTj7ZvZtPHFjvRPLTefo3rQDp4sN6vl1kaxrAcJojtl60IO4jnedB6CdM1WdeffbaYjY9yls7jR+LwE5BHhhgOCJPjjKN6cCYgLqmRp3H/IyMa2Nt5UpmYuLxQHFsKDnaCQD4y57CNzR0FvUDH7CQPvkfN6gnYPbs7hykme90= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rnkNu/RIcehc+PKVVJIFRoEqcUGAcjzQcHiBW2L/9RrVZzJaaywXveM/V/p1rzlw8YvnMUkqRjLr/fxdboM9EHwVO7qs/ezC/2yD1N3kguwPmtuOJO4FERoJFQu20fYbUZYj0SVE0vyQS7dJ1T/70C7KrkavVTarKLmKSOR2+UE= In-Reply-To: <006101c7580b$cd1d9120$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <006101c7580b$cd1d9120$0207a8c0@eluk1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3054D781-B576-4402-806F-2D7AF4F06E81@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Steve Jobs calling for music distribution without keys Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:18:19 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:18:25 +0000 (UTC) > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" > >> http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ I'm finding this very interesting and for the indie artists a good sign for the future. What it all about, is the will to distribute music digitally without DRM (Digital Rights Management). Typical ways of managing digital rights are to lock files into only being playable on a certain computer etc. I've always thought that sucks. Last MIDEM some prominent record labels were discussing the eventual scenario of going digital without DRM, so Steve Jobs is by no means "a pioneer freedom fighter". He's just saying loudly what is already whispering in the wind. The labels can't say it loud yet, because of their investments and all kind of legal agreements that have to be reworked before even starting. But the brutal truth, that we can all see by now, is that DRM is not increasing sales in any way. DRM just doesn't work! So if a new wave comes soon - where record labels give up to lock their digital products - Apple will be in a good position to make great business. Remember, Apple sells the mp3/AAC player that dominates the market by 70 percent. So even in a future where all record labels are bleeding out money Apple will still make big bucks selling the portable players that can play all kind of (eventually formerly) illegal music files. The reality which the record labels have traditionally based their actions on simply does not exist today, because it was a market they created with their own promotional and marketing work. This market relied on thousands of people sharing the same major taste for the same major products. Today the culture is more multi faceted, so it's simply not possible to reach the volume in sales needed to support the production and marketing costs needed create that huge market etc, etc. You see, the evil spiral is broken ;-) And this happens at the same time as the business model of selling music attached to physical media is growing obsolete. In that old business model the labels had set the rules (huge volumes, high costs as the entering threshold) that made it difficult of indies to compete. But now, when that's history, independent players have a fair chance. I welcome Job's statement as an ear opener for those who might not yet have had the chance to realize what's happening. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 14:41:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 652F83BEE7; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:38:44 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for February 24, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <45E04DF4.6020702@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:41:32 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2007/070224.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where > play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #103 February 22, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Wouden & Emmens] E-Live 2005 E-dition #12 (Groove) VA [Veltrop] Diefier E-dition #12 (Groove) VA [Cosmic Hoffmann] Sehr Mystisch E-dition #12 (Groove) IXOHOXI and Numina Cromlech of Wales Megalithe & Monoliths (none) Arcane Time Will Run Back Gather Darkness (NeuHarmony) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Michael Halaas January The Lucidity Project (none) Jeffrey Michael Awakening Awakening (none) Bodhi Crimea I Trans Ukraine (none) Yoshida Brothers Modern Hishou (Domo) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Marillion The Invisible Man Marbles (Intact) The Mahavishnu Eternity's Breath Return To the Emerals Beyond Project (Cuneiform) Retroheads Karma Introspective (Unicorn) Ozric Tentacles Ping * The Floor's Too Far Away (Magna Carta) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on March 10. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 14:54:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F5463BEFE; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:54:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:52:01 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #517 for February 22, 2007 To: beyond_em Yahoogroups List , ASMID Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List , ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , tangerinedream Yahhogroups List , Electronic Music 2000 Yahoogroups List , Jeff Kowal , Daniel Pipitone , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Philly Ambient Yahoogroups Mailing List Message-id: <45E05111.50707@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <_4jrrC.A.o4H.2GF4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:54:46 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/070222.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #517 February 22, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Max Corbacho. The Featured CD at Midnight was "The Talisman" on ad21 Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Soul of the Machine" by various artists on Windham Hill Records and released in 1987. Max Corbacho: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#feb PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Mitchel Forman] Rizzo Soul of the Machine (Windham Hill) Alpha Wave Movement Distant Nebula The Regions Between (Harmonic Resonance) O Yuki Conjugate Still Breath Peyote (Projekt) Ian Boddy Foundry Elemental (DiN) Craig Padilla The Light In The The Light In The Shadow Shadow * (Spotted Peccary) Max Corbacho Aminos The Talisman (ad21) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Max Corbacho Reborn To Expansion The Talisman (ad21) Max Corbacho Connected Spirits The Talisman (ad21) Max Corbacho Three Circles The Talisman (ad21) Max Corbacho Garden of Revealed The Talisman (ad21) Flame Max Corbacho Ruby for the Sun The Talisman (ad21) Max Corbacho The Talisman The Talisman (ad21) Max Corbacho The Endless Knot The Talisman (ad21) Max Corbacho Wind's Gallery The Talisman (ad21) Max Corbacho Pearl for the Moon The Talisman (ad21) Max Corbacho Cellular Memory The Talisman (ad21) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Paul Lawler. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Gather Darkness" by Arcane on NeuHarmony Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Kosmische Musik" by various artists on Ohr Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 15:43:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 677333BEF1; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: New You Tube Video Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 07:43:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <000001c757dc$85e138e0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdX3HXCpYp1o8byQ2CeEW5l0EI0xgATYEpw Message-Id: <200702240745546.SM03372@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D5da4034300005e6d.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <-qEiw.A.YcB.N0F4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Wow! Greg, IMO this represents a superb blend of musicianship, composition, and technology ! -Qua -----Original Message----- From: greg williams [mailto:gregorwilliams@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New You Tube Video Hi Folks, I just posted a new video up on Youtube if anyone is interested. It's a live performance in Sacramento, where I was opening for a Yes tribute band called 'Parallels' - they're really good! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEI9RSsW5eo Usual disclaimers: My performance is a little sloppy (I was getting some fret rattle that week) and there is quite a bit of crowd and bar noise, but what the heckle... Cheers! ~Greg www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 15:59:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57E593BEF1; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.196.3.133] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: i want your videos! Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:59:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2007 15:59:55.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[D39437E0:01C7582C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:59:57 +0000 (UTC) hi guys - please send me links to your looping videos, because i'd like to put them up on the Looping page on my website. i have a couple up already, but i'd really like to get a whole bunch, so people can really get a nice cross section of what's out there please send links to simeonATsimeonharris.co.uk many thanks! ps - i won't be hotlinking, i'll download them to my server pps - here are a couple of new tunes for you..... http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/22_Feb_1644.mp3 http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/06_Feb_1644.mp3 (this one still needs the arrangement tweaking) _________________________________________________________________ Upload 500 photos a month & blog with your Messenger buddies on Windows Live Spaces. Get yours now, FREE! http://specials.uk.msn.com/spaces/default.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 16:00:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71F2C3BEF1; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:00:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00fe01c7582c$efbfd3c0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Announcing the 2006 Boise Experimental Music Festival 2-CD Compilation Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:00:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FB_01C757F2.4272A420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:00:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FB_01C757F2.4272A420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I forgot to elaborate on who is on this CD, from Looper's Delight, our = very own Rick Walker, Ted Killian, Jeff Kaiser, Lumper-Splitter (Joe Rut = and Lucio Menegon), and of course me. There are some great duo and trio = pieces from these guys. =20 Also worth mentioning...on the first CD, last song, we have a local guy, = Unicorn Feather (Elijah Jensen), playing a vintage knitting machine = (this huge contraption he brought up on stage)...he manipulated it with = a condenser mic, plucking various things, looping it...at one point he = starts to talk backwards (literally) so that he could reverse the loop = later and decode it. It's one of my favorite pieces from the festival in = terms of pushing the edge. On the second CD, second song, we have another local, Gretchen Jude, = playing nothing but her laptop and MAX/MSP..called Cybernetic = Lovesong....I love this one too. The two sampler MP3s are here: Volume 1: http://www.box.net/public/static/ce5vstnm43.mp3 Volume 2: http://www.box.net/public/static/4c7nyxnddc.mp3 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 Hello all, The 2006 Boise Experimental Music Festival 2-CD compilation is now = available and on sale! This compilation features over 2 hours of = avant-garde, experimental, and free improvisational music, and documents = a music festival that has successfully placed Boise, ID on the map of = similar festivals from all over the world. All proceeds from the sale of these CDs will go directly to supporting = the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival (April 26-28), directed = primarily to musician travel expenses. More info at this year's festival = here: http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/ You can view more information, listen to MP3 samplers, or buy the two = CDs at this web page: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/CD.htm A very special thanks also goes to the musicians on these CDs, who = were generous enough to allow the sale of their live performances to = support the experimental music scene in Boise, Idaho, USA. Hats off to = you all, ladies and gentlemen! :) Cheers, = *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 BEMF 2: http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/ BEMF 1: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental BEMF on Myspace: http://groups.myspace.com/bemf ------=_NextPart_000_00FB_01C757F2.4272A420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I forgot to elaborate on who is on this = CD, from=20 Looper's Delight, our very own Rick Walker, Ted Killian, Jeff=20 Kaiser, Lumper-Splitter (Joe Rut and Lucio Menegon), and of course=20 me.  There are some great duo and trio pieces from these = guys. =20
 
Also worth mentioning...on the first = CD, last song,=20 we have a local guy,  Unicorn Feather (Elijah Jensen), playing a = vintage=20 knitting machine (this huge contraption he brought up on stage)...he = manipulated=20 it with a condenser mic, plucking various things, looping it...at one = point he=20 starts to talk backwards (literally) so that he could reverse the loop = later and=20 decode it. It's one of my favorite pieces from the festival in terms of = pushing=20 the edge.
 
On the second CD, second song, we have = another=20 local, Gretchen Jude, playing nothing but her laptop and MAX/MSP..called = Cybernetic Lovesong....I love this one too.
 
The two sampler MP3s are = here:
Volume 1: http://www.box.n= et/public/static/ce5vstnm43.mp3
Volume 2: http://www.box.n= et/public/static/4c7nyxnddc.mp3
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung

 
Hello all,
 
The 2006 Boise = Experimental=20 Music Festival 2-CD compilation is now available and on=20 sale!  This compilation features over 2 hours of avant-garde,=20 experimental, and free improvisational music, and documents a music = festival=20 that has successfully placed Boise, ID on the map of similar festivals = from=20 all over the world.
 
All proceeds from the = sale of these=20 CDs will go directly to supporting the 2nd Annual Boise=20 Experimental Music Festival (April 26-28), directed = primarily to=20 musician travel expenses. More info at this year's festival here: http://www.boisemusicians.= com/BEMF-2/
 
You can view more = information,=20 listen to MP3 samplers, or buy the two CDs at this web = page:=20 http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/CD.htm=
 
A very special = thanks also goes to=20 the musicians on these CDs, who were generous enough to allow the = sale of=20 their live performances to support the experimental music scene in = Boise,=20 Idaho, USA.  Hats off to you all, ladies and gentlemen! = :)
 
 
Cheers,
 
************************************************************= **************
Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com / = www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
BEMF 2:
http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/
BEMF 1: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental
BEMF on Myspace: http://groups.myspace.com/bemf
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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:22:49 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:22:55 +0000 (UTC) On 24 feb 2007, at 16.59, simeon harris wrote: > videos, Have no videos but... > pps - here are a couple of new tunes for you..... > > http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/22_Feb_1644.mp3 > http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/06_Feb_1644.mp3 I enjoyed these tunes a lot.. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 17:33:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8CD03BEEE; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: multi button control pedal for dd20? Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:33:28 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: enat21213@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C92651077AC0EB_17D0_C47B_WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 23546 Message-Id: <8C92651077AC0EB-17D0-69E6@WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.91 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:33:39 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8C92651077AC0EB_17D0_C47B_WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hey everyone.... anyone know where i might find a multi button (4 to 6 buttons) control device i could plug into my boss dd 20 to engage the pre sets. something like line 6's fb4 but with a quarter inch cord. thanks in advance for any help and advice! b! ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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hey everyone....

anyone know where i might find a multi button (4 to 6 buttons) control device i could plug into my boss dd 20 to engage the pre sets. something like line 6's fb4 but with a quarter inch cord.

thanks in advance for any help and advice!

b!

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----------MB_8C92651077AC0EB_17D0_C47B_WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 17:36:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CEAD3BEF6; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: New You Tube Video Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:36:37 -0800 Message-ID: <000601c7583a$56494ba0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <200702240745546.SM03372@quahome> Thread-Index: AcdX3HXCpYp1o8byQ2CeEW5l0EI0xgATYEpwAAOSAgA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Qua, Thanks for the flattering comment! Just having fun; luckily I had a VERY good audience that night as they were almost all there to see the Yes tribute band, and Yes fans are IMO attentive, sophisticated, and also like to rock! That particular band, Parallels, was sublime, focusing on the Yes Album/Fragile/Close to the Edge-era stuff, but they also whipped out a mean 'Gates of Delirium'. Check 'em out if you get a chance. If some folks out there (particularly in the States) are looking for more performance opportunities, I highly recommend opening for Prog tribute bands; their built-in audiences are amazing, and the bands themselves appreciate a solo opener that doesn't take up too much space on stage as they don't have to strike their gear after soundcheck. Here in the States there are a lot of truly great tribute bands, and they all of course have built-in followings; they barely even have to promote. Peace Out, ~Greg www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist -----Original Message----- From: Qua Veda [mailto:qua@oregon.com] Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New You Tube Video Wow! Greg, IMO this represents a superb blend of musicianship, composition, and technology ! -Qua -----Original Message----- From: greg williams [mailto:gregorwilliams@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New You Tube Video Hi Folks, I just posted a new video up on Youtube if anyone is interested. It's a live performance in Sacramento, where I was opening for a Yes tribute band called 'Parallels' - they're really good! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEI9RSsW5eo Usual disclaimers: My performance is a little sloppy (I was getting some fret rattle that week) and there is quite a bit of crowd and bar noise, but what the heckle... Cheers! ~Greg www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 18:15:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 471C93BEF3; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: i want your videos! Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:15:23 -0800 Message-ID: <001301c7583f$c091c0f0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcdYLNUTH86Jm1NDQ2O+CO0nr8ZYSAAEpAng Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Simeon, Excellent job on the new tunes; much thanks for the new jogging companions! ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: simeon harris [mailto:simeonharris@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 8:00 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: i want your videos! hi guys - please send me links to your looping videos, because i'd like to put them up on the Looping page on my website. i have a couple up already, but i'd really like to get a whole bunch, so people can really get a nice cross section of what's out there please send links to simeonATsimeonharris.co.uk many thanks! ps - i won't be hotlinking, i'll download them to my server pps - here are a couple of new tunes for you..... http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/22_Feb_1644.mp3 http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/06_Feb_1644.mp3 (this one still needs the arrangement tweaking) _________________________________________________________________ Upload 500 photos a month & blog with your Messenger buddies on Windows Live Spaces. Get yours now, FREE! http://specials.uk.msn.com/spaces/default.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 18:58:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 597ED3BEF8; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:58:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014701c75845$c0cd82b0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: i want your videos! Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:58:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:58:27 +0000 (UTC) Great idea, Simeon. Here you go: Alice in Cyberspace: http://www.box.net/public/static/6cm80j808i.wmv Quiddity: http://www.box.net/public/static/jqr8xk2qvm.wmv Off-Centered Blue: http://www.box.net/public/static/bkyvg8hh1e.wmv Slipstream: http://www.box.net/public/static/7n3nkan4ck.wmv These videos are decent quality and were professionally shot by a camera crew, but they are a bit out of date. These used my old hardware system of two EDPs in stereo, various rackmount effects, Boss floor effects unit, etc, etc. I really need to make some more videos with me playing the mandolin on my new laptop system. Anyway, if you don't mind, I'd love to take the links you gather up and post them on my website too. Let me know when you have it all done. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "simeon harris" To: Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: i want your videos! > hi guys - please send me links to your looping videos, because i'd like to > put them up on the Looping page on my website. i have a couple up already, > but i'd really like to get a whole bunch, so people can really get a nice > cross section of what's out there > > please send links to simeonATsimeonharris.co.uk > > many thanks! > > ps - i won't be hotlinking, i'll download them to my server > > pps - here are a couple of new tunes for you..... > > http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/22_Feb_1644.mp3 > > http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/06_Feb_1644.mp3 (this one still needs the > arrangement tweaking) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Upload 500 photos a month & blog with your Messenger buddies on Windows > Live Spaces. Get yours now, FREE! > http://specials.uk.msn.com/spaces/default.aspx > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 19:22:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE0D03BEFA; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:22:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=L9aQO/C+JvPwRc488qy1E9XyLZhik5YWHoylW+5PcDh2IavXgYDXfHZo8QL+RaNnL+8p9S6a+3MgNz7o9BO3qZTCwgRod8tbeY6knfSf7cBEF3QFp5LQinyCEHQ8CRm0AhAmIEBsZiOZDcRGSswn/h5I2G5o173E+bRAKGN33U0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=gDSC/XHet47YRix3FAVnyypYtMteB8NqGofzK04zBaS4Y1VLFhjPihumW7fU9kUpoBTXASWWysXY74mM9taT2bQ39PnSZw9Xy5myGBPETufIB1L5B3TmEWDliBhEACIKcKUeGpK6H2uN/n9DaFPT2DIxz/NDAvLzRSneG6b6ftI= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:22:03 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New live sampling/looping/delay effect MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0afd4f22f86f90e9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:22:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I've just released a beta of a new plugin which can do some pretty powerful and unusual looping type stuff: http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/xfadelooper.html Ever wanted to have your loop play back reversed and a fifth lower even as you overdub into it? Now you can. cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 19:33:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72BAD3BEEE; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAMMh4EXUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACPGgEBAQcODB6TNwEBAYFk Message-ID: <45E09311.4080109@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:33:37 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New live sampling/looping/delay effect References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Os wrote: > Hi, > > I've just released a beta of a new plugin which can do some pretty > powerful and unusual looping type stuff: > > http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/xfadelooper.html > > Ever wanted to have your loop play back reversed and a fifth lower > even as you overdub into it? Now you can. frankly....yes Is that with a pitch shift algo, or would that effect make the playback loop longer in your implementation? andy butler ... pc ;-( > > cheers, > os. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 19:34:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 864583BEEE; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016b01c7584a$d03a14c0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: i want your videos! Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:34:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:34:37 +0000 (UTC) I like the clips a lot, Simeon. I don't think I've heard you do fusion material like this before. I'm used to your multi-textured ambient material. The mix is really high quality and hot. Did you master to +5db? :) I love the reverb reflection. I take it you are using your Eventide on these? Who is playing the drums? The second clip...at 00:37 to 00:36....you had me thinking that you were doing a slow and really out there interpreation of "I Wonder Why" by Dion & the Belmonts...then it took off on its own! Nice. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "simeon harris" > > pps - here are a couple of new tunes for you..... > > http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/22_Feb_1644.mp3 > > http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/06_Feb_1644.mp3 (this one still needs the > arrangement tweaking) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 19:43:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 130323BEFE; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017601c7584c$1d6d9c70$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: New live sampling/looping/delay effect Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:43:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <_pUhPD.A.ZrH.7VJ4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, OS. I just added this to my looping software page. http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Os" To: Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:22 PM Subject: New live sampling/looping/delay effect > Hi, > > I've just released a beta of a new plugin which can do some pretty > powerful and unusual looping type stuff: > > http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/xfadelooper.html > > Ever wanted to have your loop play back reversed and a fifth lower > even as you overdub into it? Now you can. > > > cheers, > os. > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 20:28:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A66673BEF1; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <021701c75852$5d77e6d0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <704472.28852.qm@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:28:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:28:41 +0000 (UTC) I have this suite...very cool. I used to use Metaphysical and Krypt a lot (it is on a few of the sounclips I have shared in the past). I never tried the looper function of FastFX thought. I'll try that out! Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:01 PM Subject: FS: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT > At first I thought this wouldn't belong here, but then > I realized that it came with loopers! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=190084807931&rd=1&rd=1 > > Fast FX is one of the most amazing looper/loop > mangler's you'll ever come across. Amazing. Each > instrument is well worth the price of admission and > for some stupid reason Native Instruments has > discontinued this suite. I guess they want you to buy > Reaktor, but I own reaktor and I still think it was > worth buying this too. Oh, btw, I'm not getting rid > of mine, I got another as a gift and I don't want to > make it seem like they got me the wrong thing. > > Honestly, I like Photone better than Massive. Here's > the scoop on all the instruments: > > http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=electronicins2xt_us > > Mark > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. > http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 20:34:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F9253BEF3; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00df01c75853$3577ec10$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: Subject: looping contrabass flute Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:34:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C7585B.95CD33B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 X-Provags-ID2: V01U2FsdGVkX19nZ1qdEiXMnB1DknCAU0sL5XBpVbKlRT5cg4r mhrvNqCAQdv4N3JgcxiBjiC2fvKUxEir1eNVPTSmKqMkaO/XXt uiMdnL/T168WQpO3vJbqgNJLhYCBY/y Resent-Message-ID: <54xpwC.A.diB.IFK4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:34:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C7585B.95CD33B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello dear fellow loopers, i have posted some videos on youtube. i hope you'll like them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBiqPn3d_dKM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DgO8bQb__jKg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXL0Px6my9yA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DLtOOyrGTIgM this is a piece for piccolo flute and alarmclock. no loops, here, but = obviously pretty repetitive music... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DeJ0nMC_nlpY smooth loops to everybody! tilmann www.dehnhard.com www.myspace.com/tilmanndehnhard=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C7585B.95CD33B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello dear fellow loopers, i have = posted some=20 videos on youtube.
i hope you'll like them.
 
 
 
this is a piece for piccolo flute and = alarmclock.=20 no loops, here, but obviously pretty repetitive music...
 
 
smooth loops to everybody!
tilmann
 
www.dehnhard.com
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------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C7585B.95CD33B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 20:37:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49C3D3BEF1; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:37:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <023101c75853$97c6b360$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <704472.28852.qm@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <021701c75852$5d77e6d0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:37:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:37:28 +0000 (UTC) What is unfortunate is that the looper of FastFX, or all of FastFX, doesn't allow live input. Is the case for you too? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:28 PM Subject: Re: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT >I have this suite...very cool. I used to use Metaphysical and Krypt a lot >(it is on a few of the sounclips I have shared in the past). I never tried >the looper function of FastFX thought. I'll try that out! > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:01 PM > Subject: FS: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT > > >> At first I thought this wouldn't belong here, but then >> I realized that it came with loopers! >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=190084807931&rd=1&rd=1 >> >> Fast FX is one of the most amazing looper/loop >> mangler's you'll ever come across. Amazing. Each >> instrument is well worth the price of admission and >> for some stupid reason Native Instruments has >> discontinued this suite. I guess they want you to buy >> Reaktor, but I own reaktor and I still think it was >> worth buying this too. Oh, btw, I'm not getting rid >> of mine, I got another as a gift and I don't want to >> make it seem like they got me the wrong thing. >> >> Honestly, I like Photone better than Massive. Here's >> the scoop on all the instruments: >> >> http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=electronicins2xt_us >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> The fish are biting. >> Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. >> http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 20:49:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 831993BEFF; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:49:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <021701c75852$5d77e6d0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdYUsBKLBV43ojpTwi5sINwjyueGwAAmZQA Message-Id: <200702241252375.SM00376@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Da57502c20000a928.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:49:36 +0000 (UTC) is this suite now bundled in with Reaktor? Or simply discontinued and only available second hand? -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT I have this suite...very cool. I used to use Metaphysical and Krypt a lot (it is on a few of the sounclips I have shared in the past). I never tried the looper function of FastFX thought. I'll try that out! Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:01 PM Subject: FS: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT > At first I thought this wouldn't belong here, but then > I realized that it came with loopers! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE% 3AIT&viewitem=&item=190084807931&rd=1&rd=1 > > Fast FX is one of the most amazing looper/loop > mangler's you'll ever come across. Amazing. Each > instrument is well worth the price of admission and > for some stupid reason Native Instruments has > discontinued this suite. I guess they want you to buy > Reaktor, but I own reaktor and I still think it was > worth buying this too. Oh, btw, I'm not getting rid > of mine, I got another as a gift and I don't want to > make it seem like they got me the wrong thing. > > Honestly, I like Photone better than Massive. Here's > the scoop on all the instruments: > > http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=electronicins2xt_us > > Mark > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. > http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 20:51:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 715003BEFF; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:51:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <023a01c75855$88d0d3c0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <704472.28852.qm@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <021701c75852$5d77e6d0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <023101c75853$97c6b360$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:51:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <2aNl2C.A.5jC.JVK4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:51:22 +0000 (UTC) I take part of this back...you can use all the effects in FastFX with live audio input, except the looper, which takes its input from wav. The Freeze effect inside the ensemble loops, however, and is sort of cool...has some interesting paramaters like spin, etc. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: Re: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT > What is unfortunate is that the looper of FastFX, or all of FastFX, > doesn't allow live input. Is the case for you too? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:28 PM > Subject: Re: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT > > >>I have this suite...very cool. I used to use Metaphysical and Krypt a lot >>(it is on a few of the sounclips I have shared in the past). I never tried >>the looper function of FastFX thought. I'll try that out! >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mark sottilaro" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:01 PM >> Subject: FS: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT >> >> >>> At first I thought this wouldn't belong here, but then >>> I realized that it came with loopers! >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=190084807931&rd=1&rd=1 >>> >>> Fast FX is one of the most amazing looper/loop >>> mangler's you'll ever come across. Amazing. Each >>> instrument is well worth the price of admission and >>> for some stupid reason Native Instruments has >>> discontinued this suite. I guess they want you to buy >>> Reaktor, but I own reaktor and I still think it was >>> worth buying this too. Oh, btw, I'm not getting rid >>> of mine, I got another as a gift and I don't want to >>> make it seem like they got me the wrong thing. >>> >>> Honestly, I like Photone better than Massive. Here's >>> the scoop on all the instruments: >>> >>> http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=electronicins2xt_us >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >>> The fish are biting. >>> Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. >>> http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 21:41:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2150A3BEF1; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.196.3.133] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <014701c75845$c0cd82b0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: i want your videos! Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:41:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2007 21:41:34.0683 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E0D72B0:01C7585C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:41:39 +0000 (UTC) >From: "Krispen Hartung" >I really need to make some more videos with me playing the mandolin >on my new laptop system. mandolin? now that i'd like to see >Anyway, if you don't mind, I'd love to take the links you gather up and >post >them on my website too. Let me know when you have it all done. sure..willdo! sim http://www.simeonharris.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ Exclusive Ed Byrne daily comedy clips on MSN Video http://specials.uk.msn.com/edbyrne/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 21:44:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54DA23BEF6; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:44:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.196.3.133] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <016b01c7584a$d03a14c0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: i want your videos! Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:44:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2007 21:44:17.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF25DCE0:01C7585C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:44:19 +0000 (UTC) >From: "Krispen Hartung" >I like the clips a lot, Simeon. I don't think I've heard you do fusion >material like this before. I'm used to your multi-textured ambient >material. The mix is really high quality and hot. Did you master to +5db? >:) I love the reverb reflection. I take it you are using your Eventide on >these? Who is playing the drums? i master to -0.3db...but the adaptive limiter makes it sound hotter... eventide...g-force...looperlative...some plugins...the works! all drums are loops and samples >The second clip...at 00:37 to 00:36....you had me thinking that you were >doing a slow and really out there interpreation of "I Wonder Why" by Dion >& the Belmonts...then it took off on its own! Nice. no idea who they are...but thanks! sim http://www.simeonharris.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ Rate your skiving credentials with our Slack-o-meter http://www.slack-o-meter.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 21:49:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42DDE3BEF6; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:49:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.196.3.133] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200702241252375.SM00376@quahome> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: videos and tunes Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:49:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2007 21:49:25.0656 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6C63980:01C7585D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:49:27 +0000 (UTC) big thanks to everyone who has sent me video links so far...i may end up with quite a collection...keep em coming! and thank you to everyone who took the time to listen to my tunes and make such positive comments...it's very much appreciated sim http://www.simeonarris.co.uk http://www.myspace.com/simeonharris _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 21:54:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 867013BEF0; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qfS3bGtQRDo5f7rDQ99eH1YHUJqs9JJM6M3GHYmGmuv8rqW2/coswXSjypvMSDgEgkd4AhVhvmni1n+JSBvNDO42UBsNIdlX0ZeSJ5q+FTrT8dU2DByRPSp3CgupvAkP3R+qGFMWNUnM6zOMOOKHNt1jWwCsu6A+DM2dlW7Vx6I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dVTwt3rU1gPsWeGiCdG+rW4eXMVT6hppXYdxAgQKyhKsQqHHd2oNnf092a4IPU+ByAunPe9oDTH5u2mOgA7/4/+gBiVhBKCDFdL6k3yZKupqoZqnlj11CRmqFGQdVPJYRt3ekP0JzKBwsAiIGiu/95JhWn1m1zAyUIz2c9tD3jY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New live sampling/looping/delay effect Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:53:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8W2B8D.A.gGF.7PL4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:54:04 +0000 (UTC) On 24 feb 2007, at 20.22, Os wrote: > Hi, > > I've just released a beta of a new plugin which can do some pretty > powerful and unusual looping type stuff: > > http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/xfadelooper.html > > Ever wanted to have your loop play back reversed and a fifth lower > even as you overdub into it? Now you can. Amazing! Downloading the beta right now and will post beta reports at the forum. If I find any bugs that is. REading the manual, looking very interesting! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 22:35:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 183953BEDB; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002b01c75864$24351160$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: Subject: Fw: looping contrabass flute Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:35:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 X-Provags-ID2: V01U2FsdGVkX190WDLBc3mGtiBxO3vc4X0SbakstLrtww8mlnJ GgzSOd2WmU1P7iTitt33DMmy1fqrXItu4k/81cYQ543M+9o+1G A9NEdk88Q3kyNDkBl977LS/hwbr1L+y Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:35:32 +0000 (UTC) hey everybody, thanx a lot for the wonderful feedback (feel free to rate my videos in youtube, too). the high pitched sounds are made with an old whammy. here's the setup: sennheiser mike - whammy - voice live - volume pedal - dl4 - eh 2880 all the best, tilmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 02:11:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE4913BEE9; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=k7ceM0LV+W6Y6U6oJ3cqJXxJPb4RA5r/3ya67QoAWO3FnoKfu3uL2/W8BgKM3NIAaWRH8RZshSp7uukPANVT4CO7iXxM0Z+vpe17iqZ+aWttXHR/u7dUBxvdQ72afK+H1Bd+Dp6pJwzlmVLJ34ry6auiNJfnTPy442s8F/bSsQ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DWz7Z1GBwfphqgqgvFaV97Bb8t6s0Zjpa2WYzdX6HokeWrgFry8o/XqZMqpTwUU7Q2cxRLqGSoL+W5Hn8LreMKYDX894zEeZGSS5fNyWrQu08UBIIN+FQ7NE5Omisn+Pl5AATiLtwk1iGLCZRZQQJqV356dec42wOCqCBbaRQO8= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:11:49 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT In-Reply-To: <021701c75852$5d77e6d0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <704472.28852.qm@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <021701c75852$5d77e6d0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Previously: > I never tried the looper function of FastFX thought. I'll try that out! Well, looks like I'm going to get to try it out soon myself...! :-) Doug (...surprised nobody else even tried bidding on it...) http://www.softsampling.com http://www.analognotes.com http://www.stoogepanels.com and soon: http://www.vsigx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 02:26:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5589E3BEE8; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:26:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02d501c75884$533c8130$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <704472.28852.qm@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <021701c75852$5d77e6d0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:26:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:26:18 +0000 (UTC) I'm going to test out about 10 Reaktor looping ensembles tonight...I'll let everyone know what the verdict is...one of them is supposed to emulate the Boss RC20. The cool think in Reaktor is that I could take all these looping ensembles and combine them into one ensemble and create a really monster looping program. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Wellington" To: Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:11 PM Subject: Re: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT > Previously: >> I never tried the looper function of FastFX thought. I'll try that out! > > Well, looks like I'm going to get to try it out soon myself...! :-) > > Doug (...surprised nobody else even tried bidding on it...) > > http://www.softsampling.com > http://www.analognotes.com > http://www.stoogepanels.com > and soon: > http://www.vsigx.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 04:09:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54A153BEDF; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <030901c75892$ad7453e0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Anyone running both Mobius and Reaktor as Standalone? Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:08:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0306_01C75858.00442220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:09:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0306_01C75858.00442220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm trying to figure out how I could run both Mobius and Reaktor as = standalone apps. Right now, I run both as VST in my VST host. But I'm = exploring the idea of going all Reaktor for effects (no VST).. Anyone = doing this? Do I need some intermediate program (like rewire) that will = route the ouput of Reaktor to Mobius? I know nothing of how this works. What would be cool would be to run Reaktor, MAX/MSP, and Mobius as = standalone. Wow. I could run MAX patches as they are and not have to = convert them to VST. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0306_01C75858.00442220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm trying to figure out how I could = run both=20 Mobius and Reaktor as standalone apps. Right now, I run both as VST in = my VST=20 host. But I'm exploring the idea of going all Reaktor for effects (no=20 VST)..  Anyone doing this? Do I need some intermediate program = (like=20 rewire) that will route the ouput of Reaktor to Mobius? I know nothing = of how=20 this works.
 
What would be cool would be to run = Reaktor,=20 MAX/MSP, and Mobius as standalone. Wow. I could run MAX patches as they = are and=20 not have to convert them to VST.
 
Kris
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0306_01C75858.00442220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 04:12:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D13D3BEE2; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=cdMqfpMF/LVYcDE9oRHtBYg9WIwvLO5F+oa1SOQOiyil1kxPvKNBdKjE2VNFe7JJB0QQWqYWutcTglPbgVWVJX+65cThbiWzwq9npbePOu37r45Ll+dwfwkUrlr01ctNPbsAyKBSVnujCvnf3cXzfRlyt0jKNEc4xZ27y+07zNU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=K/yIi1PEDRUQJbwXW90EuukP3hijYAyn+BFR4vymamszUL27apnOqLY+KrRsa4SZX3iWsuO+1+bdK/Tt8ujKNObMeoMuZWUZ1T+iPCSUUgKnC29Vjfyx1tv9m9OHR/7lXcSY17zGG3gcujF7vvgBXEGhKR5uKvu4BuMXv1/zBrI= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:12:03 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: vst [audio >> mid] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:12:05 +0000 (UTC) does anybody know of a vst plugin able to convert an audio file or direct input to any kinf of midi data? thanks in advance! raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 04:21:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1F6D3BEE7; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:21:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <031001c75894$61e15570$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: vst [audio >> mid] Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:21:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:21:14 +0000 (UTC) Can you explain the context more of what you are doing? There are standalone apps that do this, but I'm not sure why you want to do this in VST. Do you want to convert your live, realtime audio into MIDI in a VST host system, and then have that MIDI output go (via MIDI Out) to an external instrument/controller/sound module of some sort to play any sound you want? It's an interesting concept, that's for sure. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul Bonell" To: Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:12 PM Subject: vst [audio >> mid] > does anybody know of a vst plugin able to convert an audio file or > direct input to any kinf of midi data? > > thanks in advance! > raul. > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 04:32:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68D453BEE7; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <030901c75892$ad7453e0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <030901c75892$ad7453e0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Anyone running both Mobius and Reaktor as Standalone? Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:32:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:32:49 +0000 (UTC) > I'm trying to figure out how I could run both Mobius and Reaktor as > standalone apps. The only reliable way to do this would be to use a multi-channel sound card, and physically patch the Mobius and Reaktor channels together like you would with a hardware patch bay. Ideally, this is what Rewire is all about. Unfortunately the paranoids at Propellorhead will not make the Rewire toolkits available to individual developers such as myself, you have to be a company that develops commercial products. Someday I may try to go through the legal rigamarole necessary to claim that I'm a "company" but this cost money and time I don't have right now. The fine folks over at Cockos, makers of Reaper and Ninjam, have been working on something called ReaRoute which is conceptually similar to ReWire but looks to the application as if it was a normal ASIO device. I had some trouble with this when I tried it about 6 months ago. There are a few other audio piping devices floating around, but they don't work very well. If you want to try one of these, don't pay the shareware price before you make sure it will work. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 05:05:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52D563BEDF; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:05:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=AHAwYfyt280NEyuC0a3AnxEp9UzQcA6EeuPyWDD0Ot++MZ+1YAB8vbkUYDTN0bPz2co0QynG5GMIOC+/1Pl0wVQGIBAkmEI+2TereiVJMSLueqcAT/BBLiEaWBlNs3btlqExNcdBBMqavtaLQHFesxlvoK/cEOZsqr+Qy6i3U6A=; X-YMail-OSG: sQmZhrQVM1nMinA25ml4BsawvTRTXxADmdXxdmO36bZYEu6JPTTDP9ZDDKKUtOySQUFZOSaTmKq8fguKe.6b0YDcYYbPwQWqZletOPfsT.iosJJileOIiHXcWLkwb8DePk8dJm8hxSQpheE- Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:05:25 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: immersive sound To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <829088.96831.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <773koB.A._ZG.WkR4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:05:27 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, The wiring of both sides of an amp to one "rear" speaker has been around for ages. I wired up my automobile 8 track in 1972 for the rear channel. What it does is play the "differences" between right and left. Anything panned exactly to center cancels out. It is commonly used to test amplifiers that simulate other amplifiers. You wire it up, play the same material through both amps and if the speaker makes any sound, you don't have a perfect emulation of the amp being copied. The fellow that builds Carver amps once took a challenge to emulate a certain high $ tube home stereo amp. He locked himself into a hotel room for 24 hours and came out. They did the test and no sound came from the speaker until they got down into the 1 or 2 ohm impedance range. At that point, it didn't exactly match the original because the speaker put out some noise. Rig (trivia mode) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 10:25:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D9E93BEE4; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AeJ0g9yyF6XON64pNXIBjyW+LjQbPTt3YvzKRNRyPSEE70/x1ryoSPdmjZtD1R2FKNCBZKJORKcrIB6WYkwSqrMxeefDYTDerSoMVCqLNc2aj5MbKABqFZDbaDvbF3YFSzY0foJULXfgdaM2DCCkXGpOBzlb0znBfC0LUHTwEVk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nI8COIrajMd6C4OHH56uCzJXZDT5JCp4fe86SZbGxKKsDrXJ4CUJ23K3ycr1wsDBXdSDvImKW8egB3RM+5t2MmGFLxOBoXN2A0P1hMfqyFpaRkoS0myQwrPko8gTtzZY30IckLYrfNtpkbJpKE0t7k+EhYjihjpS03A+Pt+eHZo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New live sampling/looping/delay effect Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:24:59 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:25:06 +0000 (UTC) On 24 feb 2007, at 20.22, Os wrote: > Hi, > > I've just released a beta of a new plugin which can do some pretty > powerful and unusual looping type stuff: > > http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/xfadelooper.html > > Ever wanted to have your loop play back reversed and a fifth lower > even as you overdub into it? Now you can. What an awesome "interactive drone maker" this thing is! Makes me think about the plug-in Riverrun that comes with Digital Performer. I don't have Digtial Performer so I checked out how to get Riverrun as a third party plug-in, but it was way too expensive for me because you have to buy a suite of three plug-ins. BTW doesn't Mark Sottilaro on this list have Digital Performer? Any running Riverrun there, Mark? ;-) Anyway here's a video with at short scene of Reverrun in action. Comes at 3:40. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abIjvHLtmfs (the first half of the video shows Steve Tavaglione talking EWI and playing cheezy jazz influenced cliches but at 3:40 it gets real...) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 10:46:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA4083BEE9; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Idpt3yUjv4y+tPOJZRd2W9Ig1OJq6cSVRQ1+/TCb4hO9sHp7WyxYZ0d7/fc59O+AjVSgk7qeIgV3oOSHUl+8l0yzJziIWsThaYTR9aXCEIE8cEcSZgzcmXYowvlsoKll/eGzVECvNIDEsg6CNy6P6SIiTAjcgw5TasYoI7eOi+0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fUtJnKcu8kbXu9L3Q/LBMSyhxL0o8ya4cWnD5Hiqg4R4G09yVYitcnDdcxGQO1FEjUn7x1OrbrblO6rXsUwdvmHh4CENdSTexZsAYaDBITBRnl0/yzzeQlMrzqEAP90lTEWKezPChQkqc98IliwjYuJEndQQaP2VkwHzvchmdpU= In-Reply-To: <030901c75892$ad7453e0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <030901c75892$ad7453e0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Anyone running both Mobius and Reaktor as Standalone? Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:46:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:46:11 +0000 (UTC) On 25 feb 2007, at 05.08, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm trying to figure out how I could run both Mobius and Reaktor as > standalone apps. Right now, I run both as VST in my VST host. But > I'm exploring the idea of going all Reaktor for effects (no VST).. > Anyone doing this? Do I need some intermediate program (like > rewire) that will route the ouput of Reaktor to Mobius? I know > nothing of how this works. > > What would be cool would be to run Reaktor, MAX/MSP, and Mobius as > standalone. Wow. I could run MAX patches as they are and not have > to convert them to VST. Yes, that's what MAX comes from. Almost two decades of MIDI controlling. So I guess it would be extremely powerful if used that way. Or you could use two laptops! I'm researching a two laptop rig now, using two laptops and a optical digital audio pipe between them. In my case the goal is to be able to use Logic on a Mac as the sound source and loop its audio in Mobius on an XP laptop. Logic on the Mac is the first unit I play through but it follows the tempo set by my looping on the XP box. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 10:47:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E1B93BEFA; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:47:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Gnpz6y+ZjqV5xEw84C4Br7JbWKOxTuRL1/hjXjFiuf6syMT/3rgXsvXz7VktYXgBkhLegdTm6kQG2isNeQw2+Z2hZHfBEfaNCUcptaPmP0/tnpvtS/EUEL+MzBOwMZJtDTwXsdqi34EuJN025EL5zGmLdzgkqI6p049AEisEeGs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dzlSZ8urLqXGbWbAtZUN1Mfb2G2OXJpXyXXa0KrPpQELSfm4BAUhNqqQt9QQnZ/4lVB/BNYbdY2vTNlcvHmjRCpfXAHCtEqj5g33sT6McEynaHPVj3o9W9+9421w8QHZ/lQ8SbguMRKlg4FlxKDOH1o6lqP/rVQkE37IZ705CkA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0D90A154-9FAF-42AF-B859-A1498319AB20@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: vst [audio >> mid] Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:47:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:47:32 +0000 (UTC) On 25 feb 2007, at 05.12, Raul Bonell wrote: > does anybody know of a vst plugin able to convert an audio file or > direct input to any kinf of midi data? Converts an audi file into what? Converts MIDI data into what? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 11:19:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 653063BEF9; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:19:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Np/RCaIXff08hMDkFPvSYTc4qfI8Qtp+2AZbBcOB3xbIIVXF40HIECost/lTDlyLTup/IziOyqwYEErIEHTnRWKexXZUaJ/l6g2l1rC77n8+0H1fdBtm/X3dOXhnVR1E/z6ZJTePc2ywDjImG4cOn2AxVcvm+qTHn2vJoc1gjXM=; X-YMail-OSG: KkT5kCEVM1l8eoErpGxnRcTmMzIIJ5XkD9xTPplcbs2tKvIFHrse6lNf57jSzxm4pEKWCFP57RR4wFlS1h3vY.sPj4dzZWEauOYLbSBO9lNaLpstC6CGWA-- Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:19:08 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Immersive sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <022320071621.20678.45DF1472000A859C000050C62216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <449456.33392.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:19:10 +0000 (UTC) I had a chace to check ou the bose PAS yesterday,very nice spread out sound and packing and unpacking and setting up that thing is unbelievable fast and easy, but it does lack the bass i am used to hearing from trad loudspeakers even with 2 of their subs.It also does feedback and i dont know how it would be looping with it since the mic is mostly standing in front of it and if u do layers of percussion it would soon start to feed itself back. very attractive for back painers though! Luis --- midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Its interesting that after all the advances in music > technology, speakers have remained essentially the > same. Yeah, theres better speakers, and ribbon style > drivers, but the method of delivering sound has > remained the same. I know Bose does some cool stuff, > but still those are traditional speakers used in new > ways. > I would guess wireless technology would play a big > part in the next phase, if it ever happens. It would > be cool to someday before a gig, place a bunch of > small wireless speakers (or whatever they will be) > all over the room. Under tables, behind the bar, as > well as on stage. Of course phasing, balance and > levels would be a bitch. > Just a thought. > > MFC > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Travis Hartnett" > > > Have you tried the three speaker setup described > by Eno (I think it's > > in the liner notes for "On Land")? Two speakers > hooked up normally, a > > third speaker connected to either the positive or > negative connections > > of both channels (so two black or two red > connections back at your > > amplifier/receiver)? Position the third speaker to > form a triangle > > with the other two. Nice results for little money. > > > > > TravisH > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe a rear channel with a little delay added > (reminiscent of the old > > > > quadraphonic "ambient" speaker idea). > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 12:14:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 283783BF01; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:14:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:13:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: non latching footswitch with LED? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <45E17D85.4976.5122EF@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20070224203728.BC52F3BEFE@arsenic.violacea.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:14:10 +0000 (UTC) Any bright ideas where I can find a non latching footswitch with an LED that alternates with each press? bespeco and behringer have a decent range, but they only offer leds with latching switches and the rack jamman needs non-latching! The ab200 is close, but in non- latching mode, the led is momentary. I struggle to quickly see when I'm overdubbing.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 12:42:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BE803BF01; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:42:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iLzXq+cGyT0V+3LjlVOk9LajfKAyJyQ/o7J88C4GS+vHJsDNZ3TRDM/1sFGWP/H8ZcsfJlOb+gGiHP8riWjiJjYeT8vraFMMt3meaExTVE8M1QM5GM0FGfWndZAN27H0o0fuQTENhD6qfSbhpmjkSwkoITfoOmJvSdmjr3ABhxM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gpE2iwUwFiEqFS9SUJlvm4omLKMuLDAYBqOuQlJ+aFmw14FH5JLZTYtOeBUYn0jXcgBJMNkaIglcqXE8StWjN7LicOmR8Vq9+gyc4+NiB/LuuAqwhOPgg4L7LZctQ/+ALoo6Gav6kRMb9C6/dETfbvCrbndHWVnQF6lZ+28kys8= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:42:32 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vst [audio >> mid] In-Reply-To: <031001c75894$61e15570$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <031001c75894$61e15570$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:42:34 +0000 (UTC) sorry, i wanted to type "kind", not "kinf" ... yes kris, that is what i'd like to try... i'm afraid of using the laptop for processing big amounts of audio data, and my sound modules are so sweeeeet ... i think it would be better if , in spite of letting some planned processes to controll my sound modules, make it this way, so then all the sound is connected (or not). does this standalone aplicattion work in realtime? the easy way would be the all midi approach, i supose, to add a midi pickup to the instrument, and then, process the pickups data in the host, and back again to the modules. is there a plugin that can process , for instance, midi note messasges and convert it to control or program change? ... Raul Bonell. 2007/2/25, Krispen Hartung : > Can you explain the context more of what you are doing? There are standalone > apps that do this, but I'm not sure why you want to do this in VST. Do you > want to convert your live, realtime audio into MIDI in a VST host system, > and then have that MIDI output go (via MIDI Out) to an external > instrument/controller/sound module of some sort to play any sound you want? > It's an interesting concept, that's for sure. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raul Bonell" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:12 PM > Subject: vst [audio >> mid] > > > > does anybody know of a vst plugin able to convert an audio file or > > direct input to any kinf of midi data? > > > > thanks in advance! > > raul. > > > > -- > > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > > > > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 13:20:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50FCA3BEF6; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tEZybK7gyl74kXJTFjXY/UZgwZkYJqHD/R7BZtzgcZmluW+XX0+fycvuMQ7qJWYZ/eQeaj49UhY/yg/ragEjIIzPoibiPl78XKYvZ5KnK7d7Lmdimoh1rtwS0Ar8w0siz3GFdM/bPOkNATe/nusEEDulDfHD8Nrwe0Jr+UFpseU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kW1a6ObgseB/NUCKyFcAR32hwNsRpJ28AOtrxldZwffgRhBLb41qRCgBiZzhr7R1Get4OFcS9tufwmN244U5OhvDlnZ5n4EpVpXVSHKlMaD/YkXmug2XP75aoheS+943GOmX49R1w4Ei/Z6BYsqbsdNEx7kWcxCuXf4fiGxqL+U= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:20:51 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New live sampling/looping/delay effect In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <2e4snB.A.ONG.10Y4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:20:54 +0000 (UTC) hi Os! Do you plan to make it available for windows in march too? thanks. Raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 14:00:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D00933BEF6; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:00:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=dd3kSKnJ1FbZGpyBOMVLjSN4mFghSKbmJvXjGGnC6ay+u52v/o2Rthn1ERfJullM3b2aVAP/UdmGr4acei0p7Gjoo4AARleO0AeAPOizh33yZTlEF4m1lHfsymwtkuT+2fYu9Wml7JAjfjMxauRKdqW1QbeaZytyW7PJqYX5GQU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=VvrPaTJIb0ubzn9BUWi95KJoCWvastgvK0q3A1aSWGj9jcvBpbnMtYwcaJQIrH+bum/K5RKTebK9GqUuRV3XHSC5a8Z5+uepWRjmrBo5W7+X0t+ybPj3qyP9XY09oATPIVyPDucT6j+1u6pVt7/Lv/b6wG2IvEqhAZA4cuUmBJQ= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:00:06 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New live sampling/looping/delay effect MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 089aad3b85e36907 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:00:11 +0000 (UTC) > > Ever wanted to have your loop play back reversed and a fifth lower > > even as you overdub into it? Now you can. > > frankly....yes > > Is that with a pitch shift algo, or would that effect make the playback > loop longer in your implementation? it's old school - play it slower, it takes longer. > andy butler ... pc ;-( there's quite a clamour for a PC version - maybe this will be the year I go dual platform. cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 16:14:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CFC83BEF9; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <037001c758f8$01314b90$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <030901c75892$ad7453e0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Anyone running both Mobius and Reaktor as Standalone? Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:14:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Arggggg...this is what I was afraid of. For a concept so simple, we'd think the differnet software companies would make it easier for us. I just need to go from my soundcard input to Reaktor, from Reaktor's output to Mobius input, and from Mobius output to my sound card's output. Easier said than done. So I guess programs like Re-Wire sort of fake a sound card's IO, so that you can route to and from it, and then to other apps? I guess I need to buy a more sophisted audio interface (like one of the m-audio firewire units) that has multiple inputs/outputs, many virtual input/outputs, etc. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Larson" To: Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:32 PM Subject: Re: Anyone running both Mobius and Reaktor as Standalone? > > > I'm trying to figure out how I could run both Mobius and Reaktor as > > standalone apps. > > The only reliable way to do this would be to use a multi-channel > sound card, and physically patch the Mobius and Reaktor channels > together like you would with a hardware patch bay. > > Ideally, this is what Rewire is all about. Unfortunately > the paranoids at Propellorhead will not make the Rewire toolkits > available to individual developers such as myself, you have > to be a company that develops commercial products. Someday I > may try to go through the legal rigamarole necessary to claim > that I'm a "company" but this cost money and time I don't have > right now. > > The fine folks over at Cockos, makers of Reaper and Ninjam, have > been working on something called ReaRoute which is conceptually > similar to ReWire but looks to the application as if it was > a normal ASIO device. I had some trouble with this when I > tried it about 6 months ago. > > There are a few other audio piping devices floating around, but they > don't work very well. If you want to try one of these, don't pay the > shareware price before you make sure it will work. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 16:31:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C53513BEFC; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: ZL_o3yMVM1li8vnseno.bnOM5oyvHhKLxwCK8taUZ2_htyeCjooHr3lLvSNKmPkrWrTmb2Gl49_Iwe.YGRMl9L_DcSTrA3AdEXYELAWJUzEHSnlHQ8QaPUJa8g33DbGTnf6wc2Ygn0yuntI- Message-ID: <45E1B9D7.9040803@infinivert.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:31:19 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone running both Mobius and Reaktor as Standalone? References: <030901c75892$ad7453e0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <030901c75892$ad7453e0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010102050009000404080008" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:31:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010102050009000404080008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mac there's a program called Soundflower by Cycling74 that does this, but I haven't seen it for PC --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm trying to figure out how I could run both Mobius and Reaktor as > standalone apps. Right now, I run both as VST in my VST host. But I'm > exploring the idea of going all Reaktor for effects (no VST).. Anyone > doing this? Do I need some intermediate program (like rewire) that > will route the ouput of Reaktor to Mobius? I know nothing of how this > works. > > What would be cool would be to run Reaktor, MAX/MSP, and Mobius as > standalone. Wow. I could run MAX patches as they are and not have to > convert them to VST. > > Kris > > --------------010102050009000404080008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mac there's a program called Soundflower by Cycling74 that does this, but I haven't seen it for PC

--Josh


Krispen Hartung wrote:
I'm trying to figure out how I could run both Mobius and Reaktor as standalone apps. Right now, I run both as VST in my VST host. But I'm exploring the idea of going all Reaktor for effects (no VST)..  Anyone doing this? Do I need some intermediate program (like rewire) that will route the ouput of Reaktor to Mobius? I know nothing of how this works.
 
What would be cool would be to run Reaktor, MAX/MSP, and Mobius as standalone. Wow. I could run MAX patches as they are and not have to convert them to VST.
 
Kris
 
 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 17:47:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 060333BEF6; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:47:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 00:59:37 -0800 From: Stefan Smulovitz Subject: Re: Immersive sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <713C9293-936E-4F9F-BEEF-A7046F895B58@kenaxis.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-qgaaD.A.yYE.-uc4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:47:42 +0000 (UTC) Once you start using multi speaker setups you never want to go back to stereo. There are a lot of ways to treat multi speaker setups in a live performance. One is to setup spins and spirals - with different loops having different movement around the room. Another is to play with filters and delays with each speaker being slightly different. If you want to try playing with this you might want to try my software - Kenaxis VBAP. (http://www.kenaxis.com/) You can set it up for anywhere from 3 to 8 speakers. There are a couple of 8 channel effects that really quickly immerse the audience - the main one being an 8 channel delay. Instead of independently setting the delay time for each speaker you choose a range of delay times for all of the speakers so that each one is slightly different and allows the sound to break up and immerse you. You stop hearing the du du du du of a typical delay since there are too many separate delays coming at you. They all blend into one beautiful sound. If you have any questions let me know. I hope to have the system up and running in some sort of a configuration for the Boise Experimental Music Festival. Stefan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 17:51:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C2F23BF0C; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mimeole:message-id; b=tXn3RpIFELAnpA4hdiR0gbIuBIsU2ezZrYS8ZTjhdcE0cuu/J/3HYtr1SJfI100ZhKK/f3NNwfj3gWm9nX6n1vxxT7K4hEZEJAfpheFCVKnLuwvefVJJN2JavlJj22qbXXc3NDpfjJSz3njrANfT/Y8CGjr+O7pjQWqaKfqUJqU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mimeole:message-id; b=IEuGnbGpDm6DLU21NkUp1tjGXrMRUrJ47Ue40KvhbKPdE/5P7mcgLPwr20u9X0EBNCY+B+pElwPcjD/jh4Stqjl7PXr3Qmb+WfIhJzvw3p+iHrtB6vWkhCt6MxOCVv92+8C607WiiWrNscO/KYf7MlQUfY2Mn32yhVEO37Cz1qs= From: "Raul Bonell" To: Subject: audio to midi Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:49:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.1432.1 Message-ID: <45e1cc83.7eaf961c.2806.5eaa@mx.google.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:51:03 +0000 (UTC) I found it and it's free... TRIGGERBOX vst www.device.antisound.net Can't send note lenght, but i can improvise that from Live... Raül. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 18:12:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3175B3BF0E; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:12:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=C9aShwmWhZTYlHktT72Xkym1RoQOpITNnpbNq5gfd18Z9C9Ou+iDZl4spS3t8o7npYB8no82UXJseVA8bGCAf4/DF0Tjpnj0qd0qY9BWrL6NHFAzkhMR7SvkYiSC6n6eBAUCoq61wuaQiOotkBku/8uEOWxWyMKlqS9YFzaqtog= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=S90e015NQm4rScjdkE5fjGrGA3AqWiVnkVFmuDOwEdoFa7aq3udrlu5ruLQZKLCwTy56ZY0yWC0dMH22oDhApbBCNBJX7trHgSgR7xVwoHoobAxRLErixeurNtwSV8u9ngDtbt6iz/68j0KjLgIAdOfN8cZ67em796NQFreRkwc= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:12:54 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vst [audio >> mid] In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <031001c75894$61e15570$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:12:57 +0000 (UTC) here it is and free! TRIGGERBOX VST www.antiaudio.device.net Raul. The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 19:42:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 482F23BF1E; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:42:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Immersive sound Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:41:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: <449456.33392.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 23546 Message-Id: <8C9272C23004DB2-1148-7AF0@WEBMAIL-MB04.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.152 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <87qpoD.A.ZoC.Sae4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:42:11 +0000 (UTC) when we "tested" the bose PAS against the mackie srms at y2k6 i thought that the bose sounded great, yes there was some feedback but not as much as i had expected.....to put together a stereo system you need two bose "towers" with 2 subs.....when all is said and done i thought the bose were just as unfriendly to the back as the mackies, the tower was 2 pieces (and not that light) plus the bases to hold the towers and then you had to add the subs, more trips than the srms.....also i thought that the bose speakers were very fussy stereo wise as you had to find a sweet spot directly between the 2 towers, i found that sitting in the chair right next to the sweet one effected the stereo field, i think the srms were a bit more forgiving in this regard.....which system sounded better?, they seemed pretty equal to me, i had thought that the bose would blow the mackies away but this was not the case but this could have been due to the fact that no one really had the time to tweek either system to their needs or desired ends.....but this is all the opinion of an old coot who's ears ring more than the dinner bell.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 I had a chace to check ou the bose PAS yesterday, ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 00:34:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C15B3BF11; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=rT7IrFkt0BrqD0sTgDQw+KLlkVa1Y3NPFFzouaGnWeGmi55xY9Io/OdI9dCViAcQNCCo27LH2nwjtP87hwt9r6qh39YzAG+5CZ0pZ82h9XRfZMJ37fYHzJ7I3BaIKl51T8FslILZUngDY+Eq/N5xofo2wdIXWdm9lNUqvtL1Dvw=; X-YMail-OSG: 1qWlfskVM1nKCT3tOPk1_Sm_kVYTCTLc_LULdyiyio2BSYsJjMYAztTQ15bJrmFZgD2bbBz00PYxlQgKUx2prp_q8C9mTDvm3bAtdhaSm37.Si_72i5t4g1yv_GzDx1YY2jkurDcjrD9aw-- Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:34:44 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: non-latching footswitch with led To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <280622.77204.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I've not heard of a fotswitch that does that. You have 2 options. Run a line from the unit led to the footswitch, or using a battery and led, put a fip-flop in the footswitch so that every push will alternate the led on or off. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 00:51:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FAB03BF0B; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:51:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=oejilfupDPLM1+xUNDjEpFJFPp8wUZfaNsHVEn2J0r+1i0HE53SDmIM04Mli+H7T; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <8898880.1172451079807.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:51:19 -0500 (EST) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: non-latching footswitch with led Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48f0aa3c9be6eaac7939b483f5df849bbc379a5ba0fa6c7c04350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.34 Resent-Message-ID: <5KL2J.A._oD.K8i4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:51:22 +0000 (UTC) >Howdy, > I've not heard of a fotswitch that does that. You >have 2 options. Run a line from the unit led to the >footswitch, or using a battery and led, put a fip-flop >in the footswitch so that every push will alternate >the led on or off. >Rig sorry i havent seen this thread and i'm probably wrong here-but are you looking for this? http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/FS-6/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 01:17:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14B933BF0F; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 01:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Smulovitz Subject: Re: Immersive sound Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:17:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 01:17:07 +0000 (UTC) I've received a couple of emails wanting to know how Kenaxis VBAP works. 1 - You need an audio interface with more than 2 outs. 2 - Check the videos on the Kenaxis VBAP page - http:// www.kenaxis.com/products/vbap/products_vbap.html 3 - Yes, a PC version is coming soon As far as I know this is one of the few live performance programs out there that does not treat multiple channel setups as extra stereo pairs. There is a downloadable demo that you can mess around with. Let me know if you have any other questions.... Stefan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 02:01:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F0353BF1C; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.35] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.35} Message-ID: <20070225200100.sw44poxn7oocw84k@69.89.21.76> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:01:00 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Tilmann Dehnhard Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping contrabass flute References: <00df01c75853$3577ec10$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> In-Reply-To: <00df01c75853$3577ec10$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Tilmann, That is so cool... didn't know they made flutes so gigantic. Must take a lot of endurance to play it. Very enjoyable. -- Kevin Quoting Tilmann Dehnhard : > hello dear fellow loopers, i have posted some videos on youtube... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 02:06:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 064FD3BF1D; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: jfloridis@aol.com via t10.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(71.36.3.111):. Processed in 0.22263 secs) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <28950DA6-C5A2-11DB-909E-000A279020AE@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13-917891149 From: john floridis Subject: rc50 feedback issue solved Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 07:03:39 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:06:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-13-917891149 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed ok, i'm sure some of you will find this comical, and it is, but it does work..... long story short, i have both an rc50 and an edp with a berringher pedal. i had a gig where i was playing some "wallpaper music", but it was for an art museum, and it gave me some license for more fun than normal, so i brought both.... i had the edp in a rack with my board, pre-amp, etc, but i left the behringer pedal at home. had a great time......, and on the next gig i brought the signal from the rc50 into the input of the edp then sent that to the board. got a nice little composition going with muted guitar string percussion, acoustic guitar, octave pedal bass line and some ebowing......when i had it going good, i simply reached over, started the edp record at the start of the rc50 loop and stopped it at the end.....so now the edp has the whole rc50 loop going. i stop the rc50 so that the edp is the only one playing and crank away on the feedback knob on the edp while i play over that during the fade. sonically it actually sounded pretty good. pretty clean. i was in a bar for this one, but i still didn't notice any glitches or anything like that. so in closing, to get some nice feedback control with the rc50, just send your rc50 signal into an edp and go from there....yes, that's supposed to be funny. john --Apple-Mail-13-917891149 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII ok, i'm sure some of you will find this comical, and it is, but it does work..... long story short, i have both an rc50 and an edp with a berringher pedal. i had a gig where i was playing some "wallpaper music", but it was for an art museum, and it gave me some license for more fun than normal, so i brought both.... i had the edp in a rack with my board, pre-amp, etc, but i left the behringer pedal at home. had a great time......, and on the next gig i brought the signal from the rc50 into the input of the edp then sent that to the board. got a nice little composition going with muted guitar string percussion, acoustic guitar, octave pedal bass line and some ebowing......when i had it going good, i simply reached over, started the edp record at the start of the rc50 loop and stopped it at the end.....so now the edp has the whole rc50 loop going. i stop the rc50 so that the edp is the only one playing and crank away on the feedback knob on the edp while i play over that during the fade. sonically it actually sounded pretty good. pretty clean. i was in a bar for this one, but i still didn't notice any glitches or anything like that. so in closing, to get some nice feedback control with the rc50, just send your rc50 signal into an edp and go from there....yes, that's supposed to be funny. john --Apple-Mail-13-917891149-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 02:07:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4B7B3BF1D; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.35] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.35} Message-ID: <20070225200701.x6e4qr0ihwkgkw4g@69.89.21.76> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:07:01 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New You Tube Video References: <000001c757dc$85e138e0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> In-Reply-To: <000001c757dc$85e138e0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <4bPMlD.A.6yG.GDk4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Quoting greg williams : > Hi Folks, > > I just posted a new video up on Youtube... > Usual disclaimers: My performance is a little sloppy... Greg, thank you for sharing this. Ah... the performer's lament: "You should have heard it in the practice room." Enjoyed the video. :) -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 02:18:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67E2C3BF1C; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.84.126.202] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070225200701.x6e4qr0ihwkgkw4g@69.89.21.76> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:18:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2007 02:18:40.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E190AF0:01C7594C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Here a tangentially related topic ..... I need a good keyboard synth program .... because I have a midi controller (keyboard), and a rack mounted synth, but would like to sell the rack mounted equip and use just a laptop (save space)..... Sampletank is good (but very expensive) ... I have been looking for alternatives, but with little luck. The only free ones I found (4front and MDA) are mediocre, and have some latency issues running with VSThost. Can anyone offer advice on this? I wouldn't mind spending a few hundred if I can get something that will replace my korg triton rack ...... Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Want a degree but can't afford to quit? 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MR.PATRICK ADIM International monitoring unit (CBN) ___________________________________________________________________________ Mail sent from WebMail service at PHP-Nuke Powered Site - http://www.teepuk.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 03:17:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43C973BF1F; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:17:19 -0600 From: "Sandy Rowles" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_61570_10225986.1172459839130" References: <20070225200701.x6e4qr0ihwkgkw4g@69.89.21.76> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:17:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_61570_10225986.1172459839130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I use Reason 3.0 and it has some pretty good sounds. You can also create your own sounds and samples. if you've never looked at it , you should check it out. http://www.propellerheads.se/ On 2/25/07, aaron leese wrote: > > > > Here a tangentially related topic ..... > > I need a good keyboard synth program .... because I have a midi controller > (keyboard), and a rack mounted synth, but would like to sell the rack > mounted equip and use just a laptop (save space)..... > > Sampletank is good (but very expensive) ... I have been looking for > alternatives, but with little luck. The only free ones I found (4front > and > MDA) are mediocre, and have some latency issues running with VSThost. > > Can anyone offer advice on this? I wouldn't mind spending a few hundred > if > I can get something that will replace my korg triton rack ...... > > > Aaron > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want a degree but can't afford to quit? Top school degrees online - in as > fast as 1 year > > http://forms.nextag.com/goto.jsp?url=/serv/main/buyer/education.jsp?doSearch=n&tm=y&search=education_text_links_88_h288c&s=4079&p=5116 > > ------=_Part_61570_10225986.1172459839130 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I use Reason 3.0 and it has some pretty good sounds. You can also create your own sounds and samples. if you've never looked at it , you should check it out.  http://www.propellerheads.se/

On 2/25/07, aaron leese <aaronleese@hotmail.com> wrote:


Here a tangentially related topic .....

I need a good keyboard synth program .... because I have a midi controller
(keyboard), and a rack mounted synth, but would like to sell the rack
mounted equip and use just a laptop (save space).....

Sampletank is good (but very expensive) ... I have been looking for
alternatives, but with little luck.  The only free ones I found (4front and
MDA) are mediocre, and have some latency issues running with VSThost.

Can anyone offer advice on this?  I wouldn't mind spending a few hundred if
I can get something that will replace my korg triton rack ......


Aaron

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------=_Part_61570_10225986.1172459839130-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 03:38:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C1B03BF1B; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:38:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z/kRYJbyr3HhOQskNfp1RzwDljC7aef915J3fSdCH9s2+4gtbkCt8xP0xWsPJpqwsdgQrmbYjdX84jI0ZkIWJOUjtx+P6Bk8MGHjKeTCIarmgiiNZi7SCCLcTZZP9Ft2ayRujzU6XMa1Wu3zTG/KYG3C8vnF8DNA7KhL+Eko2zo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lhR2Cei7/EpWNlD9V1daGU4HwHKKJfSWW6WFK8gt1L4ROipzik5drYx7yQlOoGWVX+bFnUuyKjd0TNDynAlWTTodSpJz6woeAEWCdW/yuionS+IFdsp1f3uy69JuNKEAkb2yyhcQxKFonldoUab2ddM73z7xgkRqXiDJCAqENQw= Message-ID: <339c30110702251938y9ae9560v829b18985315bed3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:38:15 +0900 From: "michael noble" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: audio to midi In-Reply-To: <45e1cc83.7eaf961c.2806.5eaa@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <45e1cc83.7eaf961c.2806.5eaa@mx.google.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:38:18 +0000 (UTC) hi Raul. I went to that site but couldn't find a triggerbox. any pointers as to where to find it? -michael On 2/26/07, Raul Bonell wrote: > I found it and it's free... > > TRIGGERBOX vst > www.device.antisound.net > > Can't send note lenght, but i can improvise that from Live... > > Ra=FCl. > > --=20 networking practice for sound environments :: http://nowhere.iamnobody.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 05:07:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34F263BEE2; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 05:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: FSQeLfQVM1mTAi2r45.DSFB7OEVo2OD432Fwh99.yf74rI5ektBVWw9cyKuiJnfQNpBEbK_kSVa3o5tUi4_s85.lgJoEDNTl61zssvYo_0kHd87mTJCrzn.TmDEuGlnyqOSDw80qOTvDigE- Message-ID: <45E26AF2.8070306@infinivert.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:06:58 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 05:07:02 +0000 (UTC) If you haven't purchased your laptop yet, you could get a Mac and use the sounds built into Garage Band. --Josh aaron leese wrote: > > > Here a tangentially related topic ..... > > I need a good keyboard synth program .... because I have a midi > controller (keyboard), and a rack mounted synth, but would like to > sell the rack mounted equip and use just a laptop (save space)..... > > Sampletank is good (but very expensive) ... I have been looking for > alternatives, but with little luck. The only free ones I found > (4front and MDA) are mediocre, and have some latency issues running > with VSThost. > > Can anyone offer advice on this? I wouldn't mind spending a few > hundred if I can get something that will replace my korg triton rack > ...... > > > Aaron > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want a degree but can't afford to quit? 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As our recent crowds have discovered, the Drake has turned out to be our nicest and warmest home since those fondly remembered days at the fabled Club Nia. Good beer on tap, attentive service, comfortable atmosphere, three projectors, great surround sound system and an amazing sound crew. What more could the PiNG ask for? Well how about an early PiNG beer special? Now that the PiNG starts earlier with our new and improved 8pm start time we benefit from the Drake's early evening beer pricing. There's lots of room to chill and like the old days, there's room up top by the bar to chat and socialize. It's a great place to space, so c'mon out on Feb. 27th to experience the PiNG @ the Drake and show your support, so we can continue to bring you the PiNG from this fine facility. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 02.27.07 . The PiNG Presents UNDER SEE RECORDINGS' CD RELEASE of the compilation CITIES BENEATH THE SEE Featuring performances by AIDAN BAKER + BUILDING CASTLES OUT OF MATCHSTICKS + GREATER EXPLOSIVES + sensehertz + GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS @ the UNDERGROUND downstairs @ the DRAKE HOTEL 1150 Queen St. W @ Beaconsfield . W of Ossington . E of Dufferin Tuesday February 27th . 8PM . PWYC (5$ suggested) . This month the PiNG celebrates the release of the Under See Recordings' compilation CD - "Cities Beneath The See" by welcoming back PiNG favourites Aidan Baker and Anne Sukowski's Building Castles Out of Matchsticks along with PiNG newcomer Damian Valles aka Greater Explosives, all of whom have tracks featured on the CD. Around sets, sensehertz will be spinning tracks by artists from Under See Recordings, Worthy Records, Arcolepsy and Music Made By People. Psychedelic eye candy projections will be courtesy of our good friends from General Chaos Visuals. Under See Recordings exists as a forum for those willing to push the boundaries of musical experimentation. This incredible CD compilation is strikingly eclectic as a whole, yet remains somehow thematic through 17 tracks. Under See Recordings: http://www.myspace.com/underseerecordings Aidan Baker: http://www.aidanbaker.org Building Castles Out of Matchsticks: http://www.worthyrecords.com Greater Explosives: http://www.myspace.com/greaterexplosives sensehertz: http://www.myspace.com/sensehertz General Chaos Visuals: http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com . Please note that as we have 3 acts and 3 sets for this special occasion, the PiNG will be extending later into the evening beyond our usual 11PM closing. Doors will open at 8PM as per usual. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG SOON TO THE PiNG 03.27.07 . The PiNG Presents REPAIR + ANACHRONIC XP @ the UNDERGROUND downstairs @ the DRAKE HOTEL 1150 Queen St. W @ Beaconsfield . W of Ossington . E of Dufferin Tuesday March 27th . 8PM - 11PM . PWYC (5$ suggested) . What do you get when you cross a blushing singer with stage fright and a pair of methodical twins? A powerhouse of tension: part boy, part girl, and completely magnetic. A threesome known as Repair. The techno trio Repair returns to the PiNG for the third time and for the third year in a row. Join the musically uncompromising twin brothers, Mat and Mark Thibideau, as they lay down the beats behind the lush, sultry vocals of frontwoman Dawn Lewis. http://www.repair-lab.com . Fresh from their ALMOST LiVE performance on PiNG RADiO comes our new friends from Quebec, Anachronic XP. Tired and bored of traditional hip-hop, Quebec City based Anachronic XP began their experimentations in 1999 by evolving their music into a mix of electronic soundscapes with hip-hop beats and patterns. Anachronic XP is a fresh breath from the Quebec electronic scene as they perform all the beats and scapes live onstage with synths, samplers and control boards. Guitarist JFO joined the band last year, bringing his flavour of slide guitar, effects and synth to the mix. http://www.myspace.com/anachronicxp . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG SOON - A PiNG SOUND-IN-SPACE GATHERiNG Sunday March 25th . 2-4pm . The PiNG presents something new: "THE ZEN GARDEN PARTY" - Buddha Machine Gathering #1 @ the Allan Gardens Conservatory Greenhouses (South side of Carlton St between Jarvis & Sherbourne St) http://www.toronto.ca/parks/parks_gardens/allangdns.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . CONTiNUiNG on AMBiENT PiNG RADiO: the ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES A weekly show playing exclusive, unreleased material by some of the PiNG's closest friends in the ambient, darkwave, chill and electronic communities. Tune in to hear live performances, works in progress, exclusive remixes and more! February 26th . Colin Stewart March 5th . Titania All shows are initially run on Mondays at 9PM EST and then rebroadcast the following Thursdays at 12midnight EST and again the following Saturdays at 3:30PM EST. The ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES: Another way that http://www.ambientpingradio.com is bringing great new music to you! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . One last note to let you know that on Tuesday, March 13, a friend of the PiNG will be performing at The Concord Cafe as STYROHEAD & KNIFE GOES ON present a special performance featuring Heidi Chan & Joe G. 9:00pm . The Concord Cafe . 937 Bloor Street West @ Ossington, steps from Ossingon subway. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic, soundscape, chillout, trip hop, dream pop, downtempo, space, darkwave, drone and experimental artists from around the world. http://www.theambientping.com Tune in anytime to AMBiENT PING RADiO at http://www.ambientpingradio.com ViSiT ping things for ambient, electronic and chill things: http://www.pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 07:58:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E8DE3BEE2; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 07:58:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=M3ieh53iKLKpWeSoVKGVm7YiR7yPCTPnd4Zyvjg8JkSEVDEdwEuEoLoJgAdKwodzYxgX/GOJM0N99MgevbhSMkIvZxvPGpC+ImZrxl6XIuXJzWtCzHQygVb+Ydbcuvd4G6AEZy6WCUFFA5UMUfEJzAih+wrt34345PS5J6UEkE0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=M9Q3zRXYskNPhTHvneCEzFxJXCT829NggySMzVpgc+8wtitqxmgcAKaqGem7LtDRx7MVzK6oVnGeb5NAz8diHd35Mpub6kfER2dj+68ctj87dt160FGAK8QeJDdWuG8TaXx4KNu3qZI75petz3iOZMeu54arh/nKnsSbgZdNQPY= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 07:58:16 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New live sampling/looping/delay effect MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4f794bcac9f0fd2a Resent-Message-ID: <2FwCfB.A.r-.aMp4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 07:58:18 +0000 (UTC) I'm afraid it will be much later for a windows version - I've not even started it. In fact, I don't even own a copy of Windows yet. ;) cheers, os. > hi Os! > > Do you plan to make it available for windows in march too? > > thanks. > Raul. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 08:24:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC4053BEF8; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:24:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: non-latching footswitch with led Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <45E2992A.14688.E7FDA@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <280622.77204.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <5H_l0D.A.V5C.4kp4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:24:24 +0000 (UTC) On 25 Feb 2007 at 16:34, bill bigrig wrote: > footswitch, or using a battery and led, put a fip-flop > in the footswitch so that every push will alternate > the led on or off. I have someone who can build this for me, but thought there might be one *somewhere* on the market - it's not exactly hi-tech and would be perfect for non-midi rack jamman users From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 08:24:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A75F43BEE0; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, stanitarium@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:24:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: non-latching footswitch with led Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <45E2992A.32030.E8028@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <8898880.1172451079807.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:24:24 +0000 (UTC) On 25 Feb 2007 at 19:51, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > sorry i havent seen this thread and i'm probably wrong here-but are > you looking for this? > http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/FS-6/ Sadly not - the non-latching side of this has a momentary LED as well. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 08:52:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B535F3BEEC; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "GORDIUS info" To: Subject: RE: non-latching footswitch with led Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:52:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <45E2992A.14688.E7FDA@nick.12testing.net> Thread-Index: AcdZf4bD5nZZxttHSYOSXTAfJPo+YwAA8uiw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070226085240.83AC3D4035@hoboe1bl1.telenet-ops.be> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:52:45 +0000 (UTC) I guess it doesn't exist on the market because you can't make it "fail-safe". Alternating a LED is easy indeed, but if you don't use any feedback from the jamman (as Bill suggested with "Run a line from the unit led to the footswitch") your switch LED might well be out of sync with the jamman led, making it of little use I think (unless you add a separate "sync button" which lets you toggle the led without triggering the momentary switch...) ? -----Original Message----- From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] Sent: maandag 26 februari 2007 9:24 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: non-latching footswitch with led On 25 Feb 2007 at 16:34, bill bigrig wrote: > footswitch, or using a battery and led, put a fip-flop in the > footswitch so that every push will alternate the led on or off. I have someone who can build this for me, but thought there might be one *somewhere* on the market - it's not exactly hi-tech and would be perfect for non-midi rack jamman users From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 09:41:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 157D63BEE9; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: fabio anile Reply-To: fabio anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hartung's 'Fragments' Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:41:17 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Dear Kris, i want to thank you for the copy of Fragments you've send to me, letting you know my opinion about it. The first and most important sensation i get from listening to it is a 'rare' sense of musical freedom. Here, notes, melodies, sounds and effects are combined in such a complex and creative way that you may think that this kind of music come from another planet. Or that it's just the complex spirit of this edge that's reflected in this work. I think this is one of the most important peculiarity of your work: an unusual ability to get control over a rich paintbrush of sounds and effects and have all that stuff mixed in a natural way with music (melodies, chords, improvvisation). Looping is very 'natural': every new layer is the development of the tension builded before. Best track - in my opinion - is 'Nebula', with its nice minimal melodic theme, 'stellar' sounds in the background and a crescendo on finale and 'Mork og Iser', with that floatings chords and that guitar on finale, that reminds me a certain Metheny's atmosphere. This is - for me - the best element that work in your music: that you don't forgive melodies, amongs sounds and effects. If i can give you a suggestion, i think that this kind of music require an active listening to understand and enjoy it: so an extended duration (up to 70 min) is not a good thing for a non-fan of this genre. I think that 40 min. is the best duration for a Cd, because, in mostly case, when it's reach the end, the listener is not tired and remember what he liked has the pleasure the listen to it in a short time. But...you're so prolific...that you could release one Cd per month... ...It's just my opinion, so forgive it if you're not agree. My best Fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo www.myspace.com/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 09:56:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3212D3BEE7; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qm0CUxdcUGEoiQc9n7ZIm3hw9VdNp6TDtYaPpkH9zHspJfmtnMzmphAwAXTiPh6JQ1AJXrUSQdmwQXH816iu9/IDli6YWwj+9xCc/0SLUn56/RsX37710PL59bK7uwEO855ellwWZOX/ACRcHLNSmngJozKoAKa5e0ipsb8v9a8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lBEzwMGpVVAlCbWO5qTk/0LgJGsLGA3NjNL4wJ+v1QQLPpdhaYu089ibc/dSEkxgqbgg+BBPuyvKaV0pzelXKrcuDs+X4JSIA0tt+SA6PnJdtb1QLLzKEz4wuo2LfUXspLuPPONHiJXjHuIj7QcK9iMuenmQYdF+ddDTfqwC/1Q= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1B884BD7-6F7D-4948-88B1-120646E0DDCA@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:56:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:56:24 +0000 (UTC) On 26 feb 2007, at 03.18, aaron leese wrote: > Here a tangentially related topic ..... > > I need a good keyboard synth program .... because I have a midi > controller (keyboard), and a rack mounted synth, but would like to > sell the rack mounted equip and use just a laptop (save space)..... > > Sampletank is good (but very expensive) ... I have been looking for > alternatives, but with little luck. The only free ones I found > (4front and MDA) are mediocre, and have some latency issues running > with VSThost. > > Can anyone offer advice on this? I wouldn't mind spending a few > hundred if I can get something that will replace my korg triton rack Hi Aaron, It's difficult to find an answer to such a broad question. Is it "piano sound" you are looking for? Or is it "synth sound"? And if so, what type of synth? You mention Sampletank, but that's a sampler; meaning it may mimic many instruments but lack the dynamics and envelope option you get with synths. And if you are looking for something in software to replace a Korg Triton - that's not going to be easy. The Triton is very versatile and has great built-in effects that play a big part in its sound shaping capability. Maybe you should simply buy a software sampler and sample the output of your Triton (including effects and all) before you sell it? I've done that to two of my analog synths using the excellent "synth patch ripping" software AutoSampler from REdmatica. It runs on OSX but I just noticed the other day that another company have now ripped off that application to provide a Windows version. Speaking about samplers I have heard a lot good about SampleTank. Myself I mainly use the sampler ESX24, which is part of Logic, because of Logic's way of globally handling micro tonal scales. I also own NI's Kontakt 2 that is maybe the best sampler if you look to what you can do with it. Question is if you're ever going to do all that stuff that K2 offers to? (also NI's user license may be a problem if you work on many machines - more than two - and need to move the sampler between them). If you start with getting a software sampler you need to expand the laptops RAM to the max and get a huge hard drive, eventually an external firewire drive for all those samples. A software synth that I personally like is Arturias Moog Modular 5. It has a good sound (which can not be said about every other software synth out there). Deep fat sound, good high end, musical sounding with great filters. The downside IMO is that it had no way of tuning it into fixed micro tonal scales. If you want the classic Moog sound, the MMV is a good choice. I also like the Cameleon 5000. It uses additive synthesis and is capable of some unique sounds. Whenever I can't use Logic and its built-in modeling synth Sculpture I go for C5k (Logic only runs on Mac). What I like about C5k (as with all Logic's synths) is that it can be set to all kinds of micro tonal scales. There are a lot of demo tracks at the web site so you can hear how it sounds http:// www.camelaudio.com/ Synths and samplers that I have bought but and not use much, because I don't like their quality of sound, are Reason (a complete production environment) and Albino 3. Not saying they are bad, I just don't like the way they sound. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 10:02:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC5673BEFC; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=l9ZCAianxPHSsSh91P4/asqy3Q21BZjSuCXulJPPyreLDlhYghP/TEVdLGTVukfGiQmBkJjNnBOkt3SauS7m+9kM9+s7LI/nTMZi+wNiIhg+CL0SMM4dYA8lO8FmQvY0lKmQjioqV+N7kGRBGd4qpGhAd1+tvrrMPsOXCNEzKS8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lxIi/bdiBpOtnrfvqR7MUqj6RNSXmiRZTroiQwchLnxn0Pwjyfv2f1ymcnBqBTWZeOuGblaiprOc73Km2NiQD5UDuN7G/6DKWaUPNWxo2M+Y1P7ACEQE3TVAvsjHw2OAySwUZyYy8E/oRxHGIBrV/4lw6tmimgrB8abRJR78ID0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <67721DBB-1689-47A9-BC18-5A99DD528BF2@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New live sampling/looping/delay effect Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:02:14 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:02:23 +0000 (UTC) I wonder what will happen first - Xfade Looper going Windows or Mobius going OSX? My own wish is to have everything available under OSX. per ;-) On 26 feb 2007, at 08.58, Os wrote: > I'm afraid it will be much later for a windows version - I've not even > started it. In fact, I don't even own a copy of Windows yet. ;) > > > cheers, > os. > > >> hi Os! >> >> Do you plan to make it available for windows in march too? >> >> thanks. >> Raul. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 14:09:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92C653BED0; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.84.126.202] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1B884BD7-6F7D-4948-88B1-120646E0DDCA@gmail.com> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:09:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2007 14:09:39.0679 (UTC) FILETIME=[C113AEF0:01C759AF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Sampler is the word I am looking for --- not just a piano (though I can't even find a good free VST piano out there). Anyway, there are a you mentioned that I haven't checked out, so that certainly gives me something to do ...... I'm gonna dig into Reason today ... I get a lot of mixed reactions for that one ..... And yeah, I was thinking about just sampling the triton settings that I like ... seems like that is gonna be the best solution. Tchuss: Aaron >From: Per Boysen >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth >Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:56:17 +0100 > >On 26 feb 2007, at 03.18, aaron leese wrote: > >>Here a tangentially related topic ..... >> >>I need a good keyboard synth program .... because I have a midi >>controller (keyboard), and a rack mounted synth, but would like to sell >>the rack mounted equip and use just a laptop (save space)..... >> >>Sampletank is good (but very expensive) ... I have been looking for >>alternatives, but with little luck. The only free ones I found (4front >>and MDA) are mediocre, and have some latency issues running with VSThost. >> >>Can anyone offer advice on this? I wouldn't mind spending a few hundred >>if I can get something that will replace my korg triton rack > > >Hi Aaron, > >It's difficult to find an answer to such a broad question. Is it "piano >sound" you are looking for? Or is it "synth sound"? And if so, what type >of synth? You mention Sampletank, but that's a sampler; meaning it may >mimic many instruments but lack the dynamics and envelope option you get >with synths. And if you are looking for something in software to replace a >Korg Triton - that's not going to be easy. The Triton is very versatile >and has great built-in effects that play a big part in its sound shaping >capability. > >Maybe you should simply buy a software sampler and sample the output of >your Triton (including effects and all) before you sell it? I've done that >to two of my analog synths using the excellent "synth patch ripping" >software AutoSampler from REdmatica. It runs on OSX but I just noticed the >other day that another company have now ripped off that application to >provide a Windows version. Speaking about samplers I have heard a lot good >about SampleTank. Myself I mainly use the sampler ESX24, which is part of >Logic, because of Logic's way of globally handling micro tonal scales. I >also own NI's Kontakt 2 that is maybe the best sampler if you look to what >you can do with it. Question is if you're ever going to do all that stuff >that K2 offers to? (also NI's user license may be a problem if you work on > many machines - more than two - and need to move the sampler between >them). If you start with getting a software sampler you need to expand the >laptops RAM to the max and get a huge hard drive, eventually an external >firewire drive for all those samples. > >A software synth that I personally like is Arturias Moog Modular 5. It has >a good sound (which can not be said about every other software synth out >there). Deep fat sound, good high end, musical sounding with great >filters. The downside IMO is that it had no way of tuning it into fixed >micro tonal scales. If you want the classic Moog sound, the MMV is a good >choice. > >I also like the Cameleon 5000. It uses additive synthesis and is capable >of some unique sounds. Whenever I can't use Logic and its built-in >modeling synth Sculpture I go for C5k (Logic only runs on Mac). What I >like about C5k (as with all Logic's synths) is that it can be set to all >kinds of micro tonal scales. There are a lot of demo tracks at the web >site so you can hear how it sounds http:// www.camelaudio.com/ > >Synths and samplers that I have bought but and not use much, because I >don't like their quality of sound, are Reason (a complete production >environment) and Albino 3. Not saying they are bad, I just don't like the >way they sound. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >www.looproom.com (international) >http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > _________________________________________________________________ Find what you need at prices you’ll love. Compare products and save at MSN® Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 14:50:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0825D3BEE0; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:50:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=crOu5Pdv7nz2fPzaAJctQyMtd8hLnfkiA02qLrB0SLG18YHOUl8SukBwcauNFm5ubN2LUY56W2zpGCAX9HmVWZr6HC9U36+6zk4XDj4j49ENbodu1rF+LBX7C86hQS7bF06zhC+dUJ+6OCu6BJOufVObEZStmF1w7hwgS3zD8qk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CYqbuO8piaJUJivhzZybkAXaN8yh5N0Y2ExtTh9MoyJaQPQUcAQsiMyKwI1n3ItEamyar+RYfhXWCK1nHHpw2GwvESZakCBQyJOSlyIWAo4IlVq0hDMljWQKjKH/gw7TEgNQub8gd3/C+I0jvdOs8oyA17skmZSgPXt5uppde9c= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:50:40 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] show me yours and i'll show you mine... In-Reply-To: <45DFEF96.9060000@rhein-zeitung.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_97490_30403052.1172501440223" References: <45DA079A.1090102@mhorse.com> <45DA34AE.5060207@rhein-zeitung.de> <00c001c75579$f5956180$0300a8c0@daw1> <45DC580F.8020807@infinivert.com> <45DFEF96.9060000@rhein-zeitung.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:50:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_97490_30403052.1172501440223 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Dirk, How did you get those ModFX's mounted in the rack? I know one can (or could) get a rack kit, is that what you used? Thanks, Tony On 2/24/07, Dirk Wilbert wrote: > > Hi - I use the metavox in my "modfx-matrix" > (http://www.wilbertmusic.de/IMG_6916_r1.JPG). I don't own a synthesizer > with a lot of knobs, so I use four modfx-boxes to get a synth-like sound > out of my e-piano (and to have the ability to play with a lot of > hardware knobs ;-). > I like the - it doesn't sound very "warm" but does its job well. It's > easy to use but you have to take care of feedback over the microphone if > you're playing loud - think that's an issue with all vocoders (but > haven't used other vocoders until now - so I can't compare it with > others). > Most of the time I use my mic to trigger a string sound by doing some > "manual drumming" on the mic - sounds nice. > As an oscillator is included (saw, rectified saw, square and noise) you > don't necessarily need a carrier signal fed into it - just plug your > signal source and start playing to get some strange sounds out of the > box. I do this quite often and get a nice "pitched-percussion" by > drumming on the mic and turning the knobs of the metavox. > > Dirk > > > Joshua Carroll schrieb: > > When you do, please let us know what you think of the vocoder. I've > > been watching that one come and go on eBay... > > > > Tony K wrote: > >>> I love those Alesis ModFX boxes! > >>> Does the digital row of !four! work without digital pops or crackling > - > >>> I stopped using their digital interfaces because of that... > >>> > >> > >> I don't get any digital pops with them (and there are 5 in a row by the > >> way.) Though they can be a bit sensitive to being > bumped. Fortunately, I > >> don't move them. I can imagine that they might crackle if you were > using > >> your foot to turn them on and off since the switch is pretty small. I > also > >> have the compressor and the vocoder, but haven't gotten into using them > yet. > >> > >> Tony > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dirk Wilbert [mailto:dwilbert@rhein-zeitung.de] > >> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:37 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: [LOOP] show me yours and i'll show you mine... > >> > >> I love those Alesis ModFX boxes! > >> Does the digital row of !four! work without digital pops or crackling - > >> I stopped using their digital interfaces because of that... > >> > >> Got to take some pictures... > >> > >> Dirk > >> > >> Tony K schrieb: > >> > >>>> Hi folks, what about posting pictures of your rig? there is probably > >>>> > >>> not one alike out there. Im >interested in what experiences people > >>> have, specially in operating in strereo /mono use of fx >before/after > >>> looper, regarding monitoring, use of microphones in a loop setup etc > >>> etc... use of >laptop/ software in this context > >>> > >>> Mine can be seen here... > >>> > >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtonyk/sets/72157594303469033/ > >>> > >>> There's no pic of my latest addition - a VG-8. There are also some > >>> 'before the reorganization' pics in there too. > >>> > >>> I have issues with the sends not being in stereo since that's how I > >>> route my signal to the loopers, but I'm living with it. I might be > >>> able to reroute stuff so I can get the stereo signal that I want, but > >>> I haven't worked it all out yet. > >>> > >>> I don't use software loopers most of the time. I like physically > >>> clicking and twisting. All my effects are at desktop level, I don't > >>> have any loopers on the floor. I do have the VG and an RP2000 on the > >>> floor, but that's it. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> -==-=-=- > >>> Tony > >>> http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ > >>> > >> > >> > > -- -==-=-=- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ ------=_Part_97490_30403052.1172501440223 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Dirk,

How did you get those ModFX's mounted in the rack?  I know one can (or could) get a rack kit, is that what you used?

Thanks,
Tony

On 2/24/07, Dirk Wilbert <dwilbert@rhein-zeitung.de> wrote:
Hi - I use the metavox in my "modfx-matrix"
(http://www.wilbertmusic.de/IMG_6916_r1.JPG). I don't own a synthesizer
with a lot of knobs, so I use four modfx-boxes to get a synth-like sound
out of my e-piano (and to have the ability to play with a lot of
hardware knobs ;-).
I like the - it doesn't sound very "warm" but does its job well. It's
easy to use but you have to take care of feedback over the microphone if
you're playing loud - think that's an issue with all vocoders (but
haven't used other vocoders until now - so I can't compare it with others).
Most of the time I use my mic to trigger a string sound by doing some
"manual drumming" on the mic - sounds nice.
As an oscillator is included (saw, rectified saw, square and noise) you
don't necessarily need a carrier signal fed into it - just plug your
signal source and start playing to get some strange sounds out of the
box. I do this quite often and get a nice "pitched-percussion" by
drumming on the mic and turning the knobs of the metavox.

Dirk


Joshua Carroll schrieb:
> When you do, please let us know what you think of the vocoder.  I've
> been watching that one come and go on eBay...
>
> Tony K wrote:
>>> I love those Alesis ModFX boxes!
>>> Does the digital row of !four! work without digital pops or crackling -
>>> I stopped using their digital interfaces because of that...
>>>
>>
>> I don't get any digital pops with them (and there are 5 in a row by the
>> way.)  Though they can be a bit sensitive to being bumped.  Fortunately, I
>> don't move them.  I can imagine that they might crackle if you were using
>> your foot to turn them on and off since the switch is pretty small.  I also
>> have the compressor and the vocoder, but haven't gotten into using them yet.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dirk Wilbert [mailto:dwilbert@rhein-zeitung.de]
>> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:37 PM
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: Re: [LOOP] show me yours and i'll show you mine...
>>
>> I love those Alesis ModFX boxes!
>> Does the digital row of !four! work without digital pops or crackling -
>> I stopped using their digital interfaces because of that...
>>
>> Got to take some pictures...
>>
>> Dirk
>>
>> Tony K schrieb:
>>
>>>> Hi folks,  what about posting pictures of your rig? there is probably
>>>>
>>> not one alike out there. Im >interested in what experiences people
>>> have, specially in operating in strereo /mono use of fx >before/after
>>> looper,  regarding monitoring, use of microphones in a loop setup etc
>>> etc... use of >laptop/ software in this context
>>>
>>> Mine can be seen here...
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtonyk/sets/72157594303469033/
>>>
>>> There's no pic of my latest addition - a VG-8.  There are also some
>>> 'before the reorganization' pics in there too.
>>>
>>> I have issues with the sends not being in stereo since that's how I
>>> route my signal to the loopers, but I'm living with it.  I might be
>>> able to reroute stuff so I can get the stereo signal that I want, but
>>> I haven't worked it all out yet.
>>>
>>> I don't use software loopers most of the time.  I like physically
>>> clicking and twisting.  All my effects are at desktop level, I don't
>>> have any loopers on the floor.  I do have the VG and an RP2000 on the
>>> floor, but that's it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> -==-=-=-
>>> Tony
>>> http://bigtony.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>
>>




--
-==-=-=-
Tony
http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ ------=_Part_97490_30403052.1172501440223-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 15:04:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 807E63BEE2; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: UNsK2poVM1kP912Xd.IYJrpI6UikFiUbsg0lWkUi_fJVj9xXMcUxNiwmVIDr5KTApMCP2AW_nBmdvoTZbngF89NLSIS2VgibYtV9EVPAIOcDGJF2PP.L58t5quCrXNXKtSaMh_YOREnGASQ- Message-ID: <45E2F6FC.7030600@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:04:28 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New live sampling/looping/delay effect References: <67721DBB-1689-47A9-BC18-5A99DD528BF2@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <67721DBB-1689-47A9-BC18-5A99DD528BF2@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:04:43 +0000 (UTC) I would like to second this wish. That's actually what I was thinking about as I was driving to work this morning. I'd even be willing to help fund-raise if needed. --Josh Per Boysen wrote: > I wonder what will happen first - Xfade Looper going Windows or Mobius > going OSX? > My own wish is to have everything available under OSX. > > per ;-) > > > On 26 feb 2007, at 08.58, Os wrote: > >> I'm afraid it will be much later for a windows version - I've not even >> started it. In fact, I don't even own a copy of Windows yet. ;) >> >> >> cheers, >> os. >> >> >>> hi Os! >>> >>> Do you plan to make it available for windows in march too? >>> >>> thanks. >>> Raul. > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 15:11:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B5993BEF7; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <047e01c759b8$5bda5bc0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Hartung's 'Fragments' Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:11:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <6Pugh.A.N8F.Viv4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Wow, thank you so much for the kind review, Fabio. Your comments resonate well with how I view my own music and how I want it to come across to other listeners...so this is good news. Also, I will take your suggestion seriously, about reducing the length of my future CDs. I think you make a good point, which I was unwilling to recognize in the past. Because of the costs of getting a CD out, and the fear that listeners might feel short changed, I tend to use up almost all 80 minutes of my CDs....thinking that I was benefiting the listener and giving them more "bang" for their buck. However, I believe you are correct that for music this complex, 80 minutes, or even 74 minutes to too much to consume. My goal in future CDs will be to keep them under 1 hour (targeting 45 minutes), and also to make my songs a bit shorter (4-6 minutes). I've been thinking how to keep my songs shorter anyway...attempting to "truncate" my musical expressions to the main messages, but without sacrificing any sense of natural flow. This is sometimes a major challenge, as more complex musical ideas take longer to develop. I forces us to ask questions like, "How long do I need to loop this part and just add ambient textures to it for me to get my "idea" across....and, how long does the section need to loop before the listener says, "Okay, I get it now....when is the next page of the story going to turn?" Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "fabio anile" To: Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 1:41 AM Subject: Hartung's 'Fragments' > Dear Kris, > i want to thank you for the copy of Fragments you've send to me, letting > you know my opinion about it. > The first and most important sensation i get from listening to it is a > 'rare' sense of musical freedom. > Here, notes, melodies, sounds and effects are combined in such a complex > and creative way that you may think that this kind of music come from > another planet. Or that it's just the complex spirit of this edge that's > reflected in this work. > I think this is one of the most important peculiarity of your work: an > unusual ability to get control over a rich paintbrush of sounds and > effects > and have all that stuff mixed in a natural way with music (melodies, > chords, improvvisation). > Looping is very 'natural': every new layer is the development of the > tension builded before. > Best track - in my opinion - is > 'Nebula', with its nice minimal melodic theme, 'stellar' sounds in the > background and a crescendo on finale and 'Mork og Iser', with that > floatings chords and that guitar on finale, that reminds me a certain > Metheny's atmosphere. > This is - for me - the best element that work in your music: that you > don't > forgive melodies, amongs sounds and effects. > If i can give you a suggestion, i think that this kind of music require an > active listening to understand and enjoy it: so an extended duration (up > to > 70 min) is not a good thing for a non-fan of this genre. I think that 40 > min. is the best duration for a Cd, because, in mostly case, when it's > reach the end, the listener is not tired and remember what he liked has > the pleasure the listen to it in a short time. > But...you're so prolific...that you could release one Cd per month... > ...It's just my opinion, so forgive it if you're not agree. > My best > > Fabio > http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo > www.myspace.com/eterogeneo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 15:27:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7787C3BEF3; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:27:59 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth Thread-Index: AcdZuqz50SjlcHZGRViCg9QFa+QKpw== From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2007 15:27:51.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[ADB8B160:01C759BA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:27:53 +0000 (UTC) I use Native Instruments Akoustik Piano, which I bought after reading a comparison article in Electronic Musician. I currently run it in Bidule, but went through a period of experimenting with Live. In both programs it functions splendidly. The sound is fantastic. I work at a University so can buy software from the academic suppliers, so you may not be able to match the price. I bought it from Academic Superstore; their current price is $134.95. =20 Others have recently posted some very valid concerns about NI's licensing restrictions. I keep my music computer completely off the 'net so it has been maybe even more of a hassle for me. That said, I love the program. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: aaron leese [mailto:aaronleese@hotmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth Sampler is the word I am looking for --- not just a piano (though I can't=20 even find a good free VST piano out there). Anyway, there are a you mentioned that I haven't checked out, so that=20 certainly gives me something to do ...... I'm gonna dig into Reason today ... I get a lot of mixed reactions for that=20 one ..... And yeah, I was thinking about just sampling the triton settings that I like=20 ... seems like that is gonna be the best solution. Tchuss: Aaron >From: Per Boysen >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth >Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:56:17 +0100 > >On 26 feb 2007, at 03.18, aaron leese wrote: > >>Here a tangentially related topic ..... >> >>I need a good keyboard synth program .... because I have a midi >>controller (keyboard), and a rack mounted synth, but would like to sell=20 >>the rack mounted equip and use just a laptop (save space)..... >> >>Sampletank is good (but very expensive) ... I have been looking for >>alternatives, but with little luck. The only free ones I found (4front=20 >>and MDA) are mediocre, and have some latency issues running with VSThost. >> >>Can anyone offer advice on this? I wouldn't mind spending a few =20 >>hundred >>if I can get something that will replace my korg triton rack > > >Hi Aaron, > >It's difficult to find an answer to such a broad question. Is it =20 >"piano >sound" you are looking for? Or is it "synth sound"? And if so, what type=20 >of synth? You mention Sampletank, but that's a sampler; meaning it may >mimic many instruments but lack the dynamics and envelope option you get=20 >with synths. And if you are looking for something in software to replace a=20 >Korg Triton - that's not going to be easy. The Triton is very versatile=20 >and has great built-in effects that play a big part in its sound shaping=20 >capability. > >Maybe you should simply buy a software sampler and sample the output =20 >of >your Triton (including effects and all) before you sell it? I've done that=20 >to two of my analog synths using the excellent "synth patch ripping"=20 >software AutoSampler from REdmatica. It runs on OSX but I just noticed the=20 >other day that another company have now ripped off that application to >provide a Windows version. Speaking about samplers I have heard a lot good=20 >about SampleTank. Myself I mainly use the sampler ESX24, which is part of=20 >Logic, because of Logic's way of globally handling micro tonal scales. I=20 >also own NI's Kontakt 2 that is maybe the best sampler if you look to what=20 >you can do with it. Question is if you're ever going to do all that stuff=20 >that K2 offers to? (also NI's user license may be a problem if you work on=20 > many machines - more than two - and need to move the sampler between >them). If you start with getting a software sampler you need to expand the=20 >laptops RAM to the max and get a huge hard drive, eventually an external=20 >firewire drive for all those samples. > >A software synth that I personally like is Arturias Moog Modular 5. It >has >a good sound (which can not be said about every other software synth out=20 >there). Deep fat sound, good high end, musical sounding with great=20 >filters. The downside IMO is that it had no way of tuning it into fixed=20 >micro tonal scales. If you want the classic Moog sound, the MMV is a good=20 >choice. > >I also like the Cameleon 5000. It uses additive synthesis and is =20 >capable >of some unique sounds. Whenever I can't use Logic and its built-in=20 >modeling synth Sculpture I go for C5k (Logic only runs on Mac). What I >like about C5k (as with all Logic's synths) is that it can be set to all=20 >kinds of micro tonal scales. There are a lot of demo tracks at the web >site so you can hear how it sounds http:// www.camelaudio.com/ > >Synths and samplers that I have bought but and not use much, because I >don't like their quality of sound, are Reason (a complete production=20 >environment) and Albino 3. Not saying they are bad, I just don't like the=20 >way they sound. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >www.looproom.com (international) >http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > _________________________________________________________________ Find what you need at prices you'll love. Compare products and save at MSN(r)=20 Shopping.=20 http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=3D37,ptnrdata=3D24102&tcode=3D= T001 MSN20A0701 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 15:38:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BBA43BEEC; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:38:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "GORDIUS info" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:33:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: non-latching footswitch with led Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <45E2FDE3.6301.56F21E@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20070226085240.83AC3D4035@hoboe1bl1.telenet-ops.be> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:38:31 +0000 (UTC) On 26 Feb 2007 at 9:52, GORDIUS info wrote: > I guess it doesn't exist on the market because you can't make it > "fail-safe". Alternating a LED is easy indeed, but if you don't use > any feedback from the jamman your switch LED might well be out of > sync with the jamman led, I don't know about you other guys, but much of the time I use the original double footswitch which simply toggles record on/off and reset/bypass, so it seems to me I only need an indication of if I'm in record mode or not, corresponding to the press of the footswitch. Clearly I can look at the unit, but from the front of a stage, it's tricky. The idea of tagging on a lead to another led seems within my technical abilites, providing I'm careful with the soldering iron. Thanks for all your input to this earth-shattering issue ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 15:48:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94A103BEE7; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <048f01c759bd$96b12030$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:48:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:48:44 +0000 (UTC) This is an interesting article posted on the jazz guitar discussion group. Jeff Kaiser and I had some interesting discussions about the abuses or misgivings of compression and the quest for hotter levels in newer CDs when I was mastering the discs for the Boise Experimental Music Festival....all the different ways you can increase levels (for CDs to sound comparable to other professional CDs in your player), yet maintain natural dynamics, etc. Now, it has occured to me that often times when I hear a CD, especially pop/rock CDs, and I think to myself, wow that is a really hot and "in your face" level", the mix also doesn't have much of a dynamic range...some guy is screaming his lyrics, or you can tell that is is practically blowing his brains out to get that tone out of his horn...but it is no louder than the section where he is wispering poetry over an ambient section. It's like compress, compress, compress, limit, limit, limit....turn that wave form into a solid bar, and then raise it to 0db...in your face, 100% of the time. Below is the first time I've seen this referred to as exhausting, but it makes sense. Even if you turn your stereo down, there might be something to be said of giving the human pyche a break with natural dynamics and more space. Tension....release....tension...release....louder....softer, etc, etc. This article/topic, could I suppose turn into the discussion of the pschological results/benefits of adding more space to one's compositions (not making the composition "better" or "worse," mind you). Can adding more space and natural dynamics put the human psche at ease? Is it more condusive to generating natural emotive responses? (natural meaning those that one might expect on the bell curve of a person, day to day). Good questions. I suppose part II of the article below could explore this: "Natural dynamics in music and 'Horror of the Vacuum'." What would be hilarious, or maybe frightening, is if something happened to our atmosphere, such that it added a form of compression and normalization to 0db to all sound....imagine walking down the street, hearing a boy wisper to his mother, a man scream at his dog, a streetworker jackhammering, cars beeping, etc...but everything never veered much from 0db....even the ambience in the atmosphere (white noise) would be 0db. We might go insane. :) I included some excerpts from the article below, as well. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Everything Louder Than Everything Else: Have the loudness wars reached their final battle? http://www.austin360.com/music/content/music/stories/xl/2006/09/28cover.html "You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them. There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like - static." - Bob Dylan in Rolling Stone magazine "There's something . . . sinister in audio that is causing our listeners fatigue and even pain while trying to enjoy their favorite music. It has been propagated by A&R departments for the last eight years: The complete abuse of compression in mastering (forced on the mastering engineers against their will and better judgment)." "The mistaken belief that a 'super loud' record will sound better and magically turn a song into a hit has caused most major label releases in the past eight years to be an aural assault on the listener," Montrone's letter continued. "Have you ever heard one of those test tones on TV when the station is off the air? Notice how it becomes painfully annoying in a very short time? That's essentially what you do to a song when you super compress it. You eliminate all dynamics." For those already confused, Montrone was essentially saying that there are millions of copies of CDs being released that are physically exhausting listeners, most of whom probably don't know why their ears and brains are feeling worn out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 16:22:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 474623BEDF; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kgwoA0j3ISbjh61PZm0qIPM0UgQBLewI7CneTMgXikyGa0lUDJkIjcYQo/Q8hMerbfely2S6jEPIqaK9phYEpim0f4rdW0gCES3uwXl9StYyv+xnAMVJ7vGuIydsdZ4S1PNbSqIkFzErppi1pBqkMF4SKzJVoPtrDXzubFbeKRs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kvitYbngFN2dec79yRPL8TyRbq8zcygua5gYRnDSnC4ujEKqjNxVG8gEm/14jnEQtYQVifgPt+A7KuBwtvm821nGpKA1MZT0GR8f4lk5vVQ+SDsMXvG2cM+eAQAOzdyLq4NEoDegAMijeKnDkf9FgIWne5tl0gNwOcdM0hhnH5E= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:22:45 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: i want your videos! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_101603_2789972.1172506965129" References: <014701c75845$c0cd82b0$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:22:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_101603_2789972.1172506965129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >mandolin? now that i'd like to see I've looped my mandolin, after running it through a bunch of fx. :) Do you want videos of us looping, or just videos with looping music? Tony On 2/24/07, simeon harris wrote: > > > > > >From: "Krispen Hartung" > >I really need to make some more videos with me playing the mandolin > >on my new laptop system. > > mandolin? now that i'd like to see > > >Anyway, if you don't mind, I'd love to take the links you gather up and > >post > >them on my website too. Let me know when you have it all done. > > sure..willdo! > > sim > > > > http://www.simeonharris.co.uk > > _________________________________________________________________ > Exclusive Ed Byrne daily comedy clips on MSN Video > http://specials.uk.msn.com/edbyrne/ > > -- -==-=-=- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ ------=_Part_101603_2789972.1172506965129 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >mandolin? now that i'd like to see

I've looped my mandolin, after running it through a bunch of fx. :)

Do you want videos of us looping, or just videos with looping music?

Tony


On 2/24/07, simeon harris <simeonharris@hotmail.com> wrote:



>From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>
>I really need to make some more videos with me playing the mandolin
>on my new laptop system.

mandolin? now that i'd like to see

>Anyway, if you don't mind, I'd love to take the links you gather up and
>post
>them on my website too. Let me know when you have it all done.

sure..willdo!

sim



http://www.simeonharris.co.uk

_________________________________________________________________
Exclusive Ed Byrne daily comedy clips on MSN Video
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Tony
http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ ------=_Part_101603_2789972.1172506965129-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 16:26:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5683A3BEF0; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070226102604.h4eaca3u8scksgkk@69.89.21.76> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:26:04 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible References: <048f01c759bd$96b12030$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <048f01c759bd$96b12030$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Krispen Hartung : > ...It's like > compress, compress, compress, limit, limit, limit....turn that wave > form into a solid bar, and then raise it to 0db...in your face, 100% of > the time. Below is the first time I've seen this referred to as > exhausting, but it makes sense. Even if you turn your stereo down, Your thoughts help me to feel that I am not alone in the world. Some radio stations proclaim "All music all the time" however I think =20 they should say "All loud all the time". > there might be something to be said of giving the human pyche a break > with natural dynamics and more space. > Tension....release....tension...release....louder....softer, etc, etc. There is a tendency in all forms of entertainment now to "go all out =20 all the time" -- give 110% all the time. It shows up in dance. It =20 shows up in fireworks displays which, to me, is a reflection of the =20 general trend in entertainment. (off topic rant starts here) In the not too distant past, fireworks displays were relaxing. You'd =20 sit outside on a blanket -- you'd hear a little pop -- a rocket would =20 explode in a beautiful (often symetrical) design -- everyone would go =20 "ahhhhh" -- the sky would again be dark -- and we'd eagerly anticipate =20 the next rocket. At the end of the show, there would be a grand =20 finale wherein multiple rockets were lauched at once to fill the =20 heavens with color, fire, and noise. In recent years, fireworks displays have dispensed with the show -- =20 and move directly to the finale. And the result is a numbing display =20 of light and sound without any chance to appreciate the dark sky, the =20 symmetry of a single display, or the "oohs and ahhs" of the audience. =20 The ebb, flow, and simplicity has been lost in a never-ending quest =20 for the "biggest and most spectacular show". (end of off-topic rant -- hope you enjoyed it) Those of us who like looping apparently like things that build up over =20 time and often choose subtlety over shear power. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 16:34:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40EC53BEFC; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=f5twxQzZsK7NV7rilDZZ2bQUjipgrTcS6D+ebVta7ZzuaoAcAuVu5Xv1UF02DRiYq6xm9l+stxY9iytmP0WhP0v3Av0zXD9HgljFiyQPXXwQq0Josc2oLEfEqi3QWyDJhrxViOg+DcBvvL2yJPVjFFK2o233iYX/vrbNGwjWA/4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rOdrrCpBU2xOdpGi54K0cRm0GQfrQd0YjPfePZztFt+Dl3BL4nlCA7Naup+t+9cEv7lDC+Sn9/Q91xPo5J/Ezv+DTgX/URr312T00+gkdjFKiZXCLRaLRSzp07xjVB6fbWLlCVqT1Dzv7gQKN/JvhjKR6q89ocs+QV8Un5OrXKM= In-Reply-To: <048f01c759bd$96b12030$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <048f01c759bd$96b12030$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <97367372-65AA-45EC-A297-A9048893F944@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:34:13 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:34:23 +0000 (UTC) On 26 feb 2007, at 16.48, Krispen Hartung wrote: > This is an interesting article posted on the jazz guitar discussion > group > http://www.austin360.com/music/content/music/stories/xl/ > 2006/09/28cover.html Thanks. THat was interesting. I think this passage is important: > We listen to music in completely different ways than we did 20 or > 30 years ago. For most people, music is listened to on the go, in > cars, on headphones while running, on computers at work. Music has > to compete with the sound of your car's engine, has to punch > through the background noise of street traffic or a loud office. Personally I like up-your-face sounding mixes when it is motivated by the music - after all it's more about making a statement or providing a tapestry then about bringing a listener for a journey. However, most music I enjoy listening to would sound terrible with such a treatment. I must be light years away from the average modern listener. I don't have a car, but if I had one I would like to drive it at night when the streets are empty so I could fully enjoy the car stereo. I think most people on the list rarely listens to music that is given that squash-it-all mastering. At least all the musical references given in posts indicates this. Per BTW - Kris, I have only listened to online excepts of your space mandolin album but it sounded very good and I generally like long songs with a lot of air on long CD's (or even better: long online playlists that never end). A listener can stop the music if he should feel tired or need to go to the room or whatever.... but if there are no Great Extended Music created you may never get the chance to hear it. Remember the Sleep In Concerts :-)) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 16:45:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6BF83BEF7; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <97367372-65AA-45EC-A297-A9048893F944@gmail.com> References: <048f01c759bd$96b12030$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <97367372-65AA-45EC-A297-A9048893F944@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:45:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112013d97fe7202ee436bf21f4d1daa1e627df12f72faa9263c1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:45:53 +0000 (UTC) I 've got to chime in here before this becomes a sycophantic feeding frenzy. The reality is that humans like 'loud'. Back in the day Jensen sold more car speakers than anyone because they were 'louder' on the display wall than the other options. Anything done badly can be tiresome. Loudness is only the scapegoat du jour... past 'culprits' have included EQ, effects, distortion, transistors, digital recording, EMGs, MP3s, "the internets", saddam, osama, etc... -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 16:48:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9C223BEF9; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5YICV/XAoXMtx5+QtHcTskpLxQhgih7Gk7D+OW0YKp9XB+1Q+IEEE0rdEqFeCvpdDipZBlLWVXmBJscXycXHmoqmwPdj2X20BxK/Y2EhQN+GlyYyMtkb8rrUQjJILC00DHIbHm8hdN96Wwb+rMfdcfgZpF+DMKiqeljtxMz7eMU= ; Message-ID: <20070226164807.51502.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: hBsu6IMVM1k5QeX2ML4h35D7ZN8z9Lhw_od6X6kZHP0zRSiaUiPrPKVRV7DWZcCtL6rJhfyQNQbA9Eja5BrUt1auopFLQa.sPocaEcyYSNZ9uaEZuHV93Afrp99syvVe5zo6qWiQxNIeIFg- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:48:07 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <048f01c759bd$96b12030$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:48:10 +0000 (UTC) I wholly agree with this, I believe a lot of today's music is crap, not just because the talent is lacking, but the dynamics as a whole is lacking. Aside from super compressed material, the bands themselves only see to know two sounds, clean and dirty. Where's the middle ground? I can listen to a blues song and still hear the dynamics, I can hear the accentuations on the notes being played to create emotion. A lot of today's pop and rock music lacks that. Mind you, Metal in all it's forms, isn't supposed to be dynamic in the musical sense, but why would you squeeze the life out of any song to make it in your face? My favorite stuff to listen to would be anything Jimmy Page produced(Led Zeppelin for sure). He composed his songs and used the studio to enhance his material with what he refers to "light and shade". The combination of close and room micing, soft versus loud and layering acoustics with clean electrics and so on. If you think about it, even some of the heaviest sounding stuff he did, wasn't all that distorted. Ultimately, his use of dynamics traslated over into the mastering part as well, what makes the big parts sound big is the small parts, thus making the song truly engulfing. Another band to use dynamics to it's fullest is Tool, because of the ebb and flow, you can listen to an 8 minute tune and not get bored, because the shifts in phrasing and dynamics keeps you there, and what's more, everytime you listen to it, a new part pops up you didn't realise was there before. Anyway, I've spoken what I think, so I have to agree, part of what is annoying about today's music is the lack of dynamics, it wears you out. --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > This is an interesting article posted on the jazz > guitar discussion group. > Jeff Kaiser and I had some interesting discussions > about the abuses or > misgivings of compression and the quest for hotter > levels in newer CDs when > I was mastering the discs for the Boise Experimental > Music Festival....all > the different ways you can increase levels (for CDs > to sound comparable to > other professional CDs in your player), yet > maintain natural dynamics, etc. > Now, it has occured to me that often times when I > hear a CD, especially > pop/rock CDs, and I think to myself, wow that is a > really hot and "in your > face" level", the mix also doesn't have much of a > dynamic range...some guy > is screaming his lyrics, or you can tell that is is > practically blowing his > brains out to get that tone out of his horn...but it > is no louder than the > section where he is wispering poetry over an ambient > section. It's like > compress, compress, compress, limit, limit, > limit....turn that wave form > into a solid bar, and then raise it to 0db...in your > face, 100% of the time. > Below is the first time I've seen this referred to > as exhausting, but it > makes sense. Even if you turn your stereo down, > there might be something to > be said of giving the human pyche a break with > natural dynamics and more > space. > Tension....release....tension...release....louder....softer, > etc, > etc. > > This article/topic, could I suppose turn into the > discussion of the > pschological results/benefits of adding more space > to one's compositions > (not making the composition "better" or "worse," > mind you). Can adding more > space and natural dynamics put the human psche at > ease? Is it more condusive > to generating natural emotive responses? (natural > meaning those that one > might expect on the bell curve of a person, day to > day). Good questions. I > suppose part II of the article below could explore > this: "Natural dynamics > in music and 'Horror of the Vacuum'." > > What would be hilarious, or maybe frightening, is if > something happened to > our atmosphere, such that it added a form of > compression and normalization > to 0db to all sound....imagine walking down the > street, hearing a boy wisper > to his mother, a man scream at his dog, a > streetworker jackhammering, cars > beeping, etc...but everything never veered much > from 0db....even the > ambience in the atmosphere (white noise) would be > 0db. We might go insane. > :) > > I included some excerpts from the article below, as > well. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Everything Louder Than Everything Else: Have the > loudness wars reached their > final battle? > http://www.austin360.com/music/content/music/stories/xl/2006/09/28cover.html > > "You listen to these modern records, they're > atrocious, they have sound all > over them. There's no definition of nothing, no > vocal, no nothing, just > like - static." > > - Bob Dylan in Rolling Stone magazine > > "There's something . . . sinister in audio that is > causing our listeners > fatigue and even pain while trying to enjoy their > favorite music. It has > been propagated by A&R departments for the last > eight years: The complete > abuse of compression in mastering (forced on the > mastering engineers against > their will and better judgment)." > > "The mistaken belief that a 'super loud' record will > sound better and > magically turn a song into a hit has caused most > major label releases in the > past eight years to be an aural assault on the > listener," Montrone's letter > continued. "Have you ever heard one of those test > tones on TV when the > station is off the air? Notice how it becomes > painfully annoying in a very > short time? That's essentially what you do to a song > when you super compress > it. You eliminate all dynamics." > > For those already confused, Montrone was essentially > saying that there are > millions of copies of CDs being released that are > physically exhausting > listeners, most of whom probably don't know why > their ears and brains are > feeling worn out. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 17:03:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B4BA3BEF9; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E312D8.9090003@biink.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:03:20 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible References: <20070226164807.51502.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20070226164807.51502.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:03:30 +0000 (UTC) It's all the evil temperament. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 17:05:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 161753BF0C; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:05:27 +0000 Message-Id: <022620071705.19269.45E313570001192200004B452206824693CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Interestingly enough there was a short article in Wired some time back that talked about the excessive use of compression, which evidently appeals to broadcasters, making every recording as hot as possible so it "jumps" out of the radio dial orgrabs the scanner's attention. By way of illustration, They showed diagrams of three different sound spectra - one an old AC-CD recording, which had lots of dynamics and headroom, then I think Celine Dion and Slayer or Megadeath or someone, and the sound prints would make you think that Celine was blasting away at the same levels as the rockers with the same lack of dynamics. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com > Quoting Krispen Hartung : > > > ...It's like > > compress, compress, compress, limit, limit, limit....turn that wave > > form into a solid bar, and then raise it to 0db...in your face, 100% of > > the time. Below is the first time I've seen this referred to as > > exhausting, but it makes sense. Even if you turn your stereo down, > > Your thoughts help me to feel that I am not alone in the world. > > Some radio stations proclaim "All music all the time" however I think > they should say "All loud all the time". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 17:11:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B9093BF0F; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070226111104.iamfs065k4cog8w0@69.89.21.76> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:11:04 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible References: <048f01c759bd$96b12030$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <97367372-65AA-45EC-A297-A9048893F944@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <1nUuJ.A.CXG.pSx4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Charles Zwicky : > The reality is that humans like 'loud'. Reality has many facets. In my experience that spans over 35 years of =20 paid (professional) music-making, the first thing people will complain =20 about is music that is too loud for their liking. > Back in the day Jensen sold more car speakers than anyone because they > were 'louder' on the display wall than the other options. I worked at an electronic retail store during the Jenson days. Jenson =20 speakers had a good reputation and people generally asked for them by =20 name without even listening to the store display. I don't recall ever =20 getting a return on a Jenson product. > Loudness is only the scapegoat du jour... past 'culprits' have included > EQ, effects, distortion, transistors, digital recording, EMGs, MP3s, > "the internets", saddam, osama, etc... I think it is an important topic du jour. Excessive SPL can cause =20 permanent damage to one's hearing. Excessive SPL is not a new issue, =20 of course -- however the hardware compressors of old weren't like the =20 software multi-band compressors with virtually unlimited compression =20 in every frequency band. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 17:28:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EEEB3BEF1; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:28:33 +0000 Message-Id: <022620071728.4770.45E318C100079E69000012A22206824693CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: <7JbHEB.A.YaH.Gjx4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Hey! I found it! Or something similar. . . http://www.collisiondetection.net/mt/archives/2006/07/pull_out_a_viny.html -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) > Interestingly enough there was a short article in Wired some time back that > talked about the excessive use of compression, which evidently appeals to > broadcasters, making every recording as hot as possible so it "jumps" out of > the radio dial orgrabs the scanner's attention. By way of illustration, They > showed diagrams of three different sound spectra - one an old AC-CD recording, > which had lots of dynamics and headroom, then I think Celine Dion and Slayer or > Megadeath or someone, and the sound prints would make you think that Celine was > blasting away at the same levels as the rockers with the same lack of dynamics. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 17:38:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B27203BEDE; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <6106.167.83.10.20.1172511500.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <20070226164807.51502.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070226164807.51502.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:38:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:38:32 +0000 (UTC) I know I'm joining late and this might have been mentioned somewhere else but there is an excellent article on the web that showed the evolution (or devolution) of music at the hand of compression and limiting. It followed the band RUSH through it's history and it was amazing to see the shape of the waveform go from a wonderful painting with shades of grey to a solid black stripe.... Here's to the spaces in the music.... Plish www.myspace.com/bohdanovich www.myspace.com/michaelplishka www.michaelplishka.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 17:40:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCFE73BEF6; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:40:22 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Immersive sound In-reply-to: <8374450.1172429399633.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45E31B86.2040001@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <8374450.1172429399633.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Stefan Smulovitz wrote: > If you want to try playing with this you might want to try my software > - Kenaxis VBAP. (http://www.kenaxis.com/) > If you have any questions let me know. I hope to have the system up > and running in some sort of a configuration for the Boise Experimental > Music Festival. Hi Stephan, Very impressive. I look forward to the PC version. Meanwhile, a few questions: 1. For what does VBAP stand? 2. What are the costs for Kenaxis and Kenaxis VBAP? 3. The PDF manual for both seem to be the same link. Is everything all in one manual or is there a wrong link for VBAP? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 17:41:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BEA23BEE4; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002601c759cd$60960280$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <048f01c759bd$96b12030$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <97367372-65AA-45EC-A297-A9048893F944@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:41:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <7fofJ.A.Hh.Zvx4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:41:45 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Zwicky" To: Sent: Monday, 26 February, 2007 16:45 PM Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible >I 've got to chime in here before this becomes a sycophantic feeding >frenzy. > > The reality is that humans like 'loud'. > > Back in the day Jensen sold more car speakers than anyone because they > were 'louder' on the display wall than the other options. No, because they were 2 and 3-way, and had a very good marketing campaign in what was the beginning of the decent-sounding car stereo days. Audiophiles aside, regular folks bought dual-cone and 3-way speakers because they sounded better, and because the audio press etc. said they sounded better. Regarding amps and receiver systems, people bought higher wattage when they could afford it, but tended to use the advice they got about spending as much on the speakers as the amp/receiver, which was good advice back then. I dunno about now, as things have apparently gotten confusing for the consumer on the home entertainment system front (can one find a 5.1 or 7.1 dts or dolby amplifier that has at least one optical input for less than $400?). I would guess that until a listener actually hears the difference between a 20-watt-per-channel system and a 200-watt-per-channel system, it's all taking advice or swallowing marketing, isn't it? > Anything done badly can be tiresome. > > Loudness is only the scapegoat du jour... past 'culprits' have included > EQ, effects, distortion, transistors, digital recording, EMGs, MP3s, "the > internets", saddam, osama, etc... I think the issues regarding people turning up the bass and treble controls to 100% and running their iPod or MP3 player at high volumes are very real, and quite dangerous to peoples' ability to hear, in years later. Listeners with earpods innately know that it should sound better, and try to compensate by turning it up more. Hearing more dynamics, and turning up volume/eq to try to hear more dynamics, are two completely different things. Now back to yelling at workmen. Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 17:50:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72ECB3BECF; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 450267266 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: Why contemporary everything sounds terrible Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:50:00 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257BA6E@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why contemporary everything sounds terrible Thread-Index: AcdZzokvV4zUpG7PRvKMxyitv0OjLA== From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2007 17:50:00.0889 (UTC) FILETIME=[89883A90:01C759CE] Resent-Message-ID: <3SiJeC.A.nDB.L3x4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:50:04 +0000 (UTC) there's a similar article in the archives of the "musicthing" blog site, = with pictures of the offending waveforms, catastrophically deformed. what these articles touch on all to briefly, in my view, is the normal = average listening experience.=20 actually, if you have an i-pod or some other sort of walkman, & a = reasonable pair of earbuds (like shures or similar) or even some = "proper" enclosed headphones, you are often better equipped to listen to = a decent dynamic range than if you are simply sitting at home with a = full-on $5000 hifi rig. where I am, population density is the deciding factor. I can't play my = ELP or yes albums in such a way as to hear the detail that I know is = there, without having to keep one finger on the volume control for when = they get loud again. otherwise the neighbours will call the fashion = police, or just the regular variety, to shut me down. with radio & tv broadcasting, it's been a simple matter of balancing = your punch-through power against this business of listener fatigue. = doesn't matter whether the listener is in heavy traffic or not. I am personally responsible for achieving this balance at MTV Europe, = with about two dozen tc-electronic dBmax devices. but here, we are = showing music videos & programmes with a lot of music/shouting/random = noises in amongst, well, commercials. so there's not really a lot of = variety for the ear anyway. I have done the same for a couple of movie = channels, though, so I know what the perils of over-compression are.... dolby labs have this thing that they use to track the dialogue level in = movies, which works quite well but requires a total, end-to-end buy-in = to dolby's world. while they've been quite forthcoming with their = technology, there's still a license fee for it, & on top of that, = there's a great deal of sniffy "not-invented-here" in the pro-audio = world, especially when it comes to the movie industry. other broadcasters I have met with, who receive the same commercials = from the same ad agencies, have a problem that's familiar to any british = tv viewers & probably many in the US & europe; the commercials are = competing with each other for your attention.=20 if they come on in the ad-break of a particularly emotionally-complex = movie, which has been cut so that there's an end-of-act "moment" for the = viewer to ponder, it's like being whacked in the face with a shovel.=20 I spoke to one broadcaster whose movie seasons were sponsored by a = belgian beer company, & somehow managed to get them to reduce the audio = level of the sponsorship "bumpers" in & out of the ad-breaks so that the = transition was a little more user-friendly. the rest of the UK doesn't = know it was me that achieved this, of course..... mastering one's own material is much more difficult because of this = "everything louder than everything else" trend. your average engineer (& = I am one) will, at some point, think "why am I bothering to preserve = more than 30dB of dynamic across this album, when the radio station is = just going to flatten it all out anyway?". if he's not worried about = that, then it might occur to him in a similar way that his work is going = to fetch up in an i-pod or on the internet or in some otherwise = data-reduced form, & that the best hope for all the meticulously = recorded detail, with this data reduction in prospect, is for it to be = as loud as possible. or he might just be following some natural instinct & keeping everything = as far away from the noise floor as possible. which is ironic, given = that we're supposed to be so much better off in that respect these days. y'can't win. duncan.=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 17:54:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A3813BEFF; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <053f01c759cf$32d60e60$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <048f01c759bd$96b12030$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <97367372-65AA-45EC-A297-A9048893F944@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:54:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <6ZCelB.A.IYB.n7x4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Well, I have to admit, I do like to listen to music at high volumes with headphones...maybe because of the hearing loss from playing in metal bands in the 80's and practicing with a full scale PA inside a small garage. :) Seriously, though, I like it loud because I like to be really "inside" the music and not distracted by other ambient sounds outside. However, I still like natural dynamics inside that volume scale. I like to hear the original peaks and valleys of the original performance, the climax, build-up, etc. So, part of the point of the article below is that folks are compressing the natural dynamics out of mixes and then raising the level to the max. You can still have loud and natural, just not loud 100% of the time...let's say you only compress so much so that only 25% of your material peaks at 0db, the rest hits below that because the original source material was actually quieter. There are a lot of trade-offs....it's a very interesting and complex topic. When I mastered the songs for the BEMF 2 CDs, I applied a different compression algorithm to every song. Some songs were reasonably quite most of the tune, and then BAM! a the remaining 10% would sky rocket 10db. The compression settings I used to master that song was different than what I used for a song that had very stable dynamics. In general, the more variance in dynamics a song had, the more careful I had to be with compression. I had to make some judgment calls, continue looking at the original wave form, and what it looked like after I compressed, and then re-doing until I obtained a natural balance between level and natural dynamics. The easy stuff to master was the material where there wasn't a lot of fluctuation in dynamics...that called for minor compression and just bringing the overall floor of the mix up to -0.5db (I think I used -0.8). Also easy was the material that was quiet most of the time....same unextreme fluctuation in dynamics, just lower level. The interesting point about the article to me, is not the actual volume of the mixes in question, because you can always turn down your stereo or headphones. We are talking about a different phenomena here....it is the naturalness of dynamic range and capacity of the human brain to process audio data. It's that folks are compressing it away, so that even when you turn your stereo volume down to virtually nothing, what you hear, albeit quiet, sounds like a lawn mower. There are no relative changes in levels to give the mind a break. Now, of course, even this is relative. Some people like that sort of steadiness. Others like more space...so there is some subjectivity at stake here. But one fundamental question is that despite personal preferences, is the lack of dynamics in music psychologically deleterious? Some people get a thrill out of sleep deprivation, but is it healthy over time? Not for most. Your system will eventually shut down. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Zwicky" To: Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible >I 've got to chime in here before this becomes a sycophantic feeding >frenzy. > > The reality is that humans like 'loud'. > > Back in the day Jensen sold more car speakers than anyone because they > were 'louder' on the display wall than the other options. > > Anything done badly can be tiresome. > > Loudness is only the scapegoat du jour... past 'culprits' have included > EQ, effects, distortion, transistors, digital recording, EMGs, MP3s, "the > internets", saddam, osama, etc... > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 18:21:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C3643BEDF; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:19:26 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible In-reply-to: <8078612.1172505752377.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45E324AE.7000405@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <8078612.1172505752377.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > ...all the different ways you can increase levels (for CDs to sound > comparable to other professional CDs in your player), yet maintain > natural dynamics, etc. Now, it has occured to me that often times when > I hear a CD, especially pop/rock CDs, and I think to myself, wow that > is a really hot and "in your face" level", the mix also doesn't have > much of a dynamic range...some guy is screaming his lyrics, or you can > tell that is is practically blowing his brains out to get that tone > out of his horn...but it is no louder than the section where he is > wispering poetry over an ambient section. It's like compress, > compress, compress, limit, limit, limit....turn that wave form into a > solid bar, and then raise it to 0db...in your face, 100% of the time. > Below is the first time I've seen this referred to as exhausting, but > it makes sense. Even if you turn your stereo down, there might be > something to be said of giving the human pyche a break with natural > dynamics and more space. > Tension....release....tension...release....louder....softer, etc, etc. In the Subject: line, I would have said "Why contemporary mastering practices sound terrible" instead of "Why contemporary music sounds terrible." I wouldn't want anyone thinking that I hate "contemporary" music. But you are so right. I'm mixing my Celtic band's demos and am fighting the urge to slap that multi-band compressor across the output bus inside of Sonar. If I *do* use it, I hope that I at least use more conservative settings than the presets provide. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 18:30:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A9803BEF8; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:27:30 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible In-reply-to: <12217363.1172510256759.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45E32692.1030801@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <048f01c759bd$96b12030$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <97367372-65AA-45EC-A297-A9048893F944@gmail.com> <12217363.1172510256759.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:30:01 +0000 (UTC) kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > I think it is an important topic du jour. Excessive SPL can cause > permanent damage to one's hearing. Excessive SPL is not a new issue, > of course -- however the hardware compressors of old weren't like the > software multi-band compressors with virtually unlimited compression > in every frequency band. No amount of compression can cause excessive SPL levels since it cannot set the playback level. It *will* increase the average and perceived volume for any given playback volume selected by the listener when compared to other recordings. I know you knew that but I just wanted to this to be clear to any of uninitiated who might be lurking on this list. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 18:30:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E4533BF06; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:34:21 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: New You Tube Video In-reply-to: <20070225200701.x6e4qr0ihwkgkw4g@69.89.21.76> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <032401c759d4$bd3ba510$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Thread-index: AcdZStpnvaS4Q3EmTRSmYcTMG2SxrgAiRWHg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:30:44 +0000 (UTC) .... > > Greg, thank you for sharing this. > > Ah... the performer's lament: "You should have heard it in > the practice room." > I was just at an amazing week-long singing workshop in Costa Rica (http://www.claudestein.com/naturalsinger.html), and any time anyone got up to sing and started to apologize, Claude would assign them to write a book report on the subject! We were taught to take big circus bows at the end of our performances *regardless* of how we thought they went. No apologies necessary for this video. I didn't notice any sloppiness, and wouldn't have thought about it one bit if it weren't mentioned... Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 18:30:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B9543BF0F; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:34:21 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: New You Tube Video In-reply-to: <000001c757dc$85e138e0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <032701c759d4$bddb6780$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Thread-index: AcdX3HXCpYp1o8byQ2CeEW5l0EI0xgB90nuA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Quite nice - I really enjoyed this. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: greg williams [mailto:gregorwilliams@comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:25 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: New You Tube Video > > > Hi Folks, > > I just posted a new video up on Youtube if anyone is > interested. It's a live performance in Sacramento, where I > was opening for a Yes tribute band called 'Parallels' - > they're really good! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEI9RSsW5eo > > Usual disclaimers: My performance is a little sloppy (I was > getting some fret rattle that week) and there is quite a bit > of crowd and bar noise, but what the heckle... > > Cheers! > ~Greg > www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 18:31:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97F893BF16; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <6116.167.83.10.20.1172514698.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <45E324AE.7000405@soundscapes.us> References: <8078612.1172505752377.JavaMail.root@m11> <45E324AE.7000405@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:31:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <9rmuvC.A.lAE.Sey4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:31:47 +0000 (UTC) IT's those intermittent spikes when teh rest of the band is softer that compression/limiting can really help matters. But the art is in when to stop... ~Peace~ plish > > In the Subject: line, I would have said "Why contemporary mastering > practices sound terrible" instead of "Why contemporary music sounds > terrible." I wouldn't want anyone thinking that I hate "contemporary" > music. > > But you are so right. I'm mixing my Celtic band's demos and am fighting > the urge to slap that multi-band compressor across the output bus inside > of Sonar. If I *do* use it, I hope that I at least use more > conservative settings than the presets provide. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 18:48:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC2E33BF17; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EgWe87C1HBhOxhQRKixXiGvwcpUO/p3Wy+QMSsryz05+tqf+DKyib7/ZpXnVJUZek3nEcw5fBtyjyHcTf0zPRIXHc0i2u/yO2dWuqJ1kE2B3ft8ej73yS/9qx/UZcGqI95FhJ0DNh9lS10546Zs986DKFZP1ABN8KmL4ZEtfXXU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KT4nQAKfF+sw59Zcl/OvhO56Id7PReTqeFyqDYI24/n6vwYwCX8si7GeQLiElILbS2TQhpcPbZ3EJw3CoRwqwjnwMrsHTKlKVlMid+Ko6dzyC0OU+XmLR4MfpunqoJNep5XSG6tzASBKJhSQGj3xYqXXbgmUxlzeU4RKoNsX9OM= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:48:23 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_105859_10104151.1172515703485" References: Resent-Message-ID: <_wJwnD.A.25E.8ty4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:48:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_105859_10104151.1172515703485 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I LOVE Crystal. and it's free. http://www.greenoak.com/crystal/ Tony On 2/26/07, Dean, Hal wrote: > > I use Native Instruments Akoustik Piano, which I bought after reading a > comparison article in Electronic Musician. I currently run it in Bidule, > but went through a period of experimenting with Live. In both programs > it functions splendidly. The sound is fantastic. > > I work at a University so can buy software from the academic suppliers, > so you may not be able to match the price. I bought it from Academic > Superstore; their current price is $134.95. > > Others have recently posted some very valid concerns about NI's > licensing restrictions. I keep my music computer completely off the 'net > so it has been maybe even more of a hassle for me. That said, I love the > program. > > Hal Dean > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aaron leese [mailto:aaronleese@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:10 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth > > > Sampler is the word I am looking for --- not just a piano (though I > can't > even find a good free VST piano out there). > > Anyway, there are a you mentioned that I haven't checked out, so that > certainly gives me something to do ...... > > I'm gonna dig into Reason today ... I get a lot of mixed reactions for > that > one ..... > > And yeah, I was thinking about just sampling the triton settings that I > like > ... seems like that is gonna be the best solution. > > Tchuss: > Aaron > > > >From: Per Boysen > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth > >Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:56:17 +0100 > > > >On 26 feb 2007, at 03.18, aaron leese wrote: > > > >>Here a tangentially related topic ..... > >> > >>I need a good keyboard synth program .... because I have a midi > >>controller (keyboard), and a rack mounted synth, but would like to > sell > >>the rack mounted equip and use just a laptop (save space)..... > >> > >>Sampletank is good (but very expensive) ... I have been looking for > >>alternatives, but with little luck. The only free ones I found > (4front > >>and MDA) are mediocre, and have some latency issues running with > VSThost. > >> > >>Can anyone offer advice on this? I wouldn't mind spending a few > >>hundred > >>if I can get something that will replace my korg triton rack > > > > > >Hi Aaron, > > > >It's difficult to find an answer to such a broad question. Is it > >"piano > >sound" you are looking for? Or is it "synth sound"? And if so, what > type > >of synth? You mention Sampletank, but that's a sampler; meaning it may > > >mimic many instruments but lack the dynamics and envelope option you > get > >with synths. And if you are looking for something in software to > replace a > >Korg Triton - that's not going to be easy. The Triton is very > versatile > >and has great built-in effects that play a big part in its sound > shaping > >capability. > > > >Maybe you should simply buy a software sampler and sample the output > >of > >your Triton (including effects and all) before you sell it? I've done > that > >to two of my analog synths using the excellent "synth patch ripping" > >software AutoSampler from REdmatica. It runs on OSX but I just noticed > the > >other day that another company have now ripped off that application to > > >provide a Windows version. Speaking about samplers I have heard a lot > good > >about SampleTank. Myself I mainly use the sampler ESX24, which is part > of > >Logic, because of Logic's way of globally handling micro tonal scales. > I > >also own NI's Kontakt 2 that is maybe the best sampler if you look to > what > >you can do with it. Question is if you're ever going to do all that > stuff > >that K2 offers to? (also NI's user license may be a problem if you > work on > > many machines - more than two - and need to move the sampler between > > >them). If you start with getting a software sampler you need to expand > the > >laptops RAM to the max and get a huge hard drive, eventually an > external > >firewire drive for all those samples. > > > >A software synth that I personally like is Arturias Moog Modular 5. It > > >has > >a good sound (which can not be said about every other software synth > out > >there). Deep fat sound, good high end, musical sounding with great > >filters. The downside IMO is that it had no way of tuning it into > fixed > >micro tonal scales. If you want the classic Moog sound, the MMV is a > good > >choice. > > > >I also like the Cameleon 5000. It uses additive synthesis and is > >capable > >of some unique sounds. Whenever I can't use Logic and its built-in > >modeling synth Sculpture I go for C5k (Logic only runs on Mac). What I > > >like about C5k (as with all Logic's synths) is that it can be set to > all > >kinds of micro tonal scales. There are a lot of demo tracks at the web > > >site so you can hear how it sounds http:// www.camelaudio.com/ > > > >Synths and samplers that I have bought but and not use much, because I > >don't like their quality of sound, are Reason (a complete production > >environment) and Albino 3. Not saying they are bad, I just don't like > the > >way they sound. > > > >Greetings from Sweden > > > >Per Boysen > >www.boysen.se (Swedish) > >www.looproom.com (international) > >http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find what you need at prices you'll love. Compare products and save at > MSN(r) > Shopping. > http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001 > MSN20A0701 > > -- -==-=-=- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ ------=_Part_105859_10104151.1172515703485 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I LOVE Crystal. and it's free.

http://www.greenoak.com/crystal/

Tony



On 2/26/07, Dean, Hal <HDean@wcupa.edu> wrote:
I use Native Instruments Akoustik Piano, which I bought after reading a
comparison article in Electronic Musician. I currently run it in Bidule,
but went through a period of experimenting with Live. In both programs
it functions splendidly. The sound is fantastic.

I work at a University so can buy software from the academic suppliers,
so you may not be able to match the price.  I bought it from Academic
Superstore; their current price is $134.95.

Others have recently posted some very valid concerns about NI's
licensing restrictions. I keep my music computer completely off the 'net
so it has been maybe even more of a hassle for me. That said, I love the
program.

Hal Dean


-----Original Message-----
From: aaron leese [mailto:aaronleese@hotmail.com ]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:10 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth


Sampler is the word I am looking for --- not just a piano (though I
can't
even find a good free VST piano out there).

Anyway, there are a you mentioned that I haven't checked out, so that
certainly gives me something to do ......

I'm gonna dig into Reason today ... I get a lot of mixed reactions for
that
one .....

And yeah, I was thinking about just sampling the triton settings that I
like
... seems like that is gonna be the best solution.

Tchuss:
Aaron


>From: Per Boysen < perboysen@gmail.com>
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Re: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth
>Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:56:17 +0100
>
>On 26 feb 2007, at 03.18, aaron leese wrote:
>
>>Here a tangentially related topic .....
>>
>>I need a good keyboard synth program .... because I have a midi
>>controller (keyboard), and a rack mounted synth, but would like to
sell
>>the rack mounted equip and use just a laptop (save space).....
>>
>>Sampletank is good (but very expensive) ... I have been looking for
>>alternatives, but with little luck.  The only free ones I found
(4front
>>and MDA) are mediocre, and have some latency issues running  with
VSThost.
>>
>>Can anyone offer advice on this?  I wouldn't mind spending a few
>>hundred
>>if I can get something that will replace my korg triton rack
>
>
>Hi Aaron,
>
>It's difficult to find an answer to such a broad question. Is it
>"piano
>sound" you are looking for? Or is it "synth sound"? And if so,  what
type
>of synth? You mention Sampletank, but that's a sampler;  meaning it may

>mimic many instruments but lack the dynamics and  envelope option you
get
>with synths. And if you are looking for  something in software to
replace a
>Korg Triton - that's not going to  be easy. The Triton is very
versatile
>and has great built-in effects  that play a big part in its sound
shaping
>capability.
>
>Maybe you should simply buy a software sampler and sample the output
>of
>your Triton (including effects and all) before you sell it? I've  done
that
>to two of my analog synths using the excellent "synth patch  ripping"
>software AutoSampler from REdmatica. It runs on OSX but I  just noticed
the
>other day that another company have now ripped off  that application to

>provide a Windows version. Speaking about  samplers I have heard a lot
good
>about SampleTank. Myself I mainly  use the sampler ESX24, which is part
of
>Logic, because of Logic's way  of globally handling micro tonal scales.
I
>also own NI's Kontakt 2  that is maybe the best sampler if you look to
what
>you can do with  it. Question is if you're ever going to do all that
stuff
>that K2  offers to? (also NI's user license may be a problem if you
work on
>  many machines - more than two - and need to move the sampler between

>them). If you start with getting a software sampler you need to  expand
the
>laptops RAM to the max and get a huge hard drive,  eventually an
external
>firewire drive for all those samples.
>
>A software synth that I personally like is Arturias Moog Modular 5.  It

>has
>a good sound (which can not be said about every other software  synth
out
>there). Deep fat sound, good high end, musical sounding  with great
>filters. The downside IMO is that it had no way of tuning  it into
fixed
>micro tonal scales. If you want the classic Moog sound,  the MMV is a
good
>choice.
>
>I also like the Cameleon 5000. It uses additive synthesis and is
>capable
>of some unique sounds. Whenever I can't use Logic and its  built-in
>modeling synth Sculpture I go for C5k (Logic only runs on  Mac). What I

>like about C5k (as with all Logic's synths) is that it  can be set to
all
>kinds of micro tonal scales. There are a lot of  demo tracks at the web

>site so you can hear how it sounds http:// www.camelaudio.com/
>
>Synths and samplers that I have bought but and not use much, because  I
>don't like their quality of sound, are Reason (a complete  production
>environment) and Albino 3. Not saying they are bad, I just  don't like
the
>way they sound.
>
>Greetings from Sweden
>
>Per Boysen
>www.boysen.se (Swedish)
>www.looproom.com (international)
>http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release)
>
>

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http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ ------=_Part_105859_10104151.1172515703485-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 18:54:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24DB13BF24; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:54:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=yLwBGIk1l4Gucgw8dx1pqqqvEWJ1Zw2gBXxjWCNnNOc3Qlta5nkECHWlLOR57UncqLyZ5g4yhlh1HOIb7QQK6qV4FAuFISBn0RSZ2lGWywvnf6Sr0ScJynQ6+in2YT0Tbw/+JCrMU5hADv3FNIxa7bFApU6MoDGlM0Vx/wQPudE=; X-YMail-OSG: egRd1_MVM1koiaf8BrybZVzrQZQVGFXEp9HTPAVOtEQ0TELrc872kJarSWe2hPMCeP.aXp35hyYpSrXbDMHi_ptEEkElr0qcWmI2NWdTqVhb2JpIgb2vQPeYfOlzXHq3GldaPeoUQcuwKI4- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:54:34 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6116.167.83.10.20.1172514698.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <53830.22011.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:54:36 +0000 (UTC) I think a lot of the reason we find this lust for compression is the environment most of us listen to music in (at least in this country): The Car. Ever try listening to Pink Floyd's The Wall in your car? You're constantly riding the volume to hear quiet passages and potting down when the loud parts come in. Of course, the right answer to this problem is to build nice compressors/limitors into car decks and iPods (I'm sans car so that's my noisey environment... Your car going by me!) so the user can make a personal choice about how his music sounds based on his listening habits. What sounds great coming out of your $5K home stereo speakers in your house in the country just isn't going to work in a 1982 Honda Civic. However, that's not the way our world works. Our world seems to be geared toward the lowest common denominator. There are millions of people who listen to all their music from a $100 car stereo in a 1982 Honda Civic and only a few thousand who regularly listen to music from a good home stereo. Sad, but true. Recently my wife, who regularly claims not to be able to hear the difference between good and bad sound, remarked how good the sound was when we watch Heroes on my Mac in my studio via iTunes. People can hear the difference, but if they care... that's the question. Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 19:00:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5805F3BEE2; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DjgrtBUeGI9+7AEtWHLfKSdsLM/NcyfOgpQYo/lKssemcBx+C4paA0U7SoFZ7wUpWZJ5lM0gvKTyabKTYE1agbSVvmp+wriB2oEPYx1oQ9sD28LlLH8h7Uy3tOUY6m0fpdsi+PrX8b0s2D/Y03bVMItjOmFVAQ1VEmHQOU93ZFM=; X-YMail-OSG: w2LAv7QVM1mSZmhLPpxc9U0LSEXwtXN9WMYUEw6S Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:00:13 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <325746.84397.qm@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_Lqhv.A.BvF.-4y4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:00:14 +0000 (UTC) That's the beauty of ebay. Sometimes you give a good deal, sometimes you get a good deal. I wonder if it's because people looking for deals on software will just as soon pirate it then purchase it... maybe because there's a preponderence of decent to great free stuff out there. Anyhow, I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. It's worth it for FastFX alone! Mark --- Doug Wellington wrote: > Previously: > > I never tried the looper function of FastFX > thought. I'll try that out! > > Well, looks like I'm going to get to try it out soon > myself...! :-) > > Doug (...surprised nobody else even tried bidding > on it...) > > http://www.softsampling.com > http://www.analognotes.com > http://www.stoogepanels.com > and soon: > http://www.vsigx.com > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 19:01:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0C203BEFB; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CWRrTHrmuydVU/4RtCNKaDIiuA4UuzcHNYuD5V89NFWXCKJ/7Fp+YFZsqbJ6J0ITF4tyFqJjAjLWNNf2UzupVquyVeCCs8OJzJJWREaZlrmangnVHvmKlLreLkJKlHsZVzwBIZMmju+tyk0SN71mhzaq8hyKrVPqtsOeQMT7dbA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AAjQJi33YspEKvITde+hzlz8Xv6m2PTEbIz32ynlAdQL52n4je18K3MRbh0vvsXcxC/5/ceuXTkXYTe0rsTPW4CuXJYssIIxhzqZgVtTH0HhvVZE9oP2AbOPOTndN8q2P2tO7ww6sA4sQmtxk+VkJPzRBNJ7+h+gcSAuFZLYfaA= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:01:10 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible In-Reply-To: <53830.22011.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6116.167.83.10.20.1172514698.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> <53830.22011.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:01:16 +0000 (UTC) My '99 Ford Ranger factory standard CD/radio/cassette player includes a compressor for the CD playback. On 2/26/07, mark sottilaro wrote: > > Of course, the right answer to this problem is to > build nice compressors/limitors into car decks and > iPods (I'm sans car so that's my noisey environment... > Your car going by me!) so the user can make a personal > choice about how his music sounds based on his > listening habits. What sounds great coming out of > your $5K home stereo speakers in your house in the > country just isn't going to work in a 1982 Honda > Civic. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 19:12:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 327F23BED5; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:12:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.196.3.133] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: i want your videos! Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:12:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2007 19:12:45.0538 (UTC) FILETIME=[18B18C20:01C759DA] Resent-Message-ID: <4sXaUB.A.7kG.vEz4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:12:48 +0000 (UTC) >From: "Tony K" >Do you want videos of us looping, or just videos with looping music? i want videos of you looping! please sim _________________________________________________________________ Exclusive Ed Byrne daily comedy clips on MSN Video http://specials.uk.msn.com/edbyrne/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 19:13:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B54E3BF1F; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05aa01c759da$2a9b1e60$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <325746.84397.qm@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:13:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:13:18 +0000 (UTC) FYI, Mark,...I posted a giant post on the Reaktor forum seeing if anyone was interested in creating a more sophisticated looping ensemble...even alluding to the possibility that I could fund. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT > That's the beauty of ebay. Sometimes you give a good > deal, sometimes you get a good deal. > > I wonder if it's because people looking for deals on > software will just as soon pirate it then purchase > it... maybe because there's a preponderence of decent > to great free stuff out there. Anyhow, I hope you > enjoy it as much as I do. It's worth it for FastFX > alone! > > Mark > > > > --- Doug Wellington wrote: > >> Previously: >> > I never tried the looper function of FastFX >> thought. I'll try that out! >> >> Well, looks like I'm going to get to try it out soon >> myself...! :-) >> >> Doug (...surprised nobody else even tried bidding >> on it...) >> >> http://www.softsampling.com >> http://www.analognotes.com >> http://www.stoogepanels.com >> and soon: >> http://www.vsigx.com >> >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 19:30:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71A153BEE7; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: New You Tube Video Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:30:55 -0800 Message-ID: <001a01c759dc$a7390e80$76f8bb43@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <032401c759d4$bd3ba510$0302a8c0@Lightning> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdZStpnvaS4Q3EmTRSmYcTMG2SxrgAiRWHgAAHs37A= Resent-Message-ID: <6szOoC.A.4I.gVz4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for watching and for the feedback Warren. > No apologies necessary for this video. I didn't notice any sloppiness, and > wouldn't have thought about it one bit if it weren't mentioned... Point well taken, you're absolutely right of course. It's advice I give students constantly - 'please don't apologize for mistakes', etc - but here when it's my own music I do the exact same thing. Humans are such silly beasties.... I'll be working on my book report now. ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New You Tube Video .... > > Greg, thank you for sharing this. > > Ah... the performer's lament: "You should have heard it in > the practice room." > I was just at an amazing week-long singing workshop in Costa Rica (http://www.claudestein.com/naturalsinger.html), and any time anyone got up to sing and started to apologize, Claude would assign them to write a book report on the subject! We were taught to take big circus bows at the end of our performances *regardless* of how we thought they went. No apologies necessary for this video. I didn't notice any sloppiness, and wouldn't have thought about it one bit if it weren't mentioned... Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 19:41:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C87EF3BEEE; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4029.69.59.206.219.1172518897.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <6116.167.83.10.20.1172514698.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> References: <8078612.1172505752377.JavaMail.root@m11> <45E324AE.7000405@soundscapes.us> <6116.167.83.10.20.1172514698.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:41:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Looping show: Glen Kotche and Nels Cline solo/duo From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.438, required 6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.96) X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner-From: improv@peak.org X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Saw a pretty amazing show with much looping Saturday night at The Doug Fir in Portland. Started with Cline solo, heavy use of his EH 16 sec delay, he is an absolute master of that pedal. His set varied between between Merzbow-scale noise and some very pretty melodic guitar playing. The thing that always amazes me about Cline is that he can alternate between such extremes and it never seems forced or trite. Also, even when he is doing extreme noise, it's still nuanced, he seems to be able to pull an amazing range of noise from his guitar and effects. The real surprise, for me at least, was Kotche's solo set. I know him only from his and Cline's "day gig", the band Wilco, and while I respect the band and what they have been through over the years, I'm not really a fan. But Kotche delivered one of the most amazing and musically satisfying solo drum kit sets I've ever seen! His kit was augmented with an electric kalimba, a set of small amplified gongs and bells, and I believe a celeste. I couldn't tell what he was looping with, I was too far from the stage to see. One of the things tht made his show so satisfying was that he was playing compositions, both his own and some from surprising sources. He played Steve Reich's Clapping Music, by looping the original rhythm played as a melody on kalimba, and then playing the variations/displacements against it on drum kit. I wouldn't have recognized the piece if he hadn't announced it afterwards, the minimal melody of the kalimba loop gave it a very different quality from the original. The biggest surprise was his solo drumkit transcription of the Balinese Ramayana Monkey Chant. When he announced the piece, there was a lot of laughter in the audience, but I'm pretty familiar with the Monkeychant, and he was actually playing it! He used different springs and gongs, amplified by his snare, to represent the various characters, and then played the full chant, the "chak chak chak" part that most people should know, as a groove on the kit. It approached metal intensity, and amazing performance. I've seen a lot of solo drum shows, Tony Oxley, Andrew Cyrille, Joey Baron and others, but Kotche's was among the best. The duet portion was very cool as well. One piece was a simple, slow, open D strum against a minimal drum groove that reminded me a lot of Crazy Horse. Cline and Kotche were clearly having a lot of fun, and it was contagious. I was also pleasantly surprised at the turnout for the show, the Doug Fir, one of Portlands trendiest hangs, was packed. I imagine a lot of the crowd came out because of the Wilco connection, but they stayed for the music and seemed genuinely entertained by some very non-mainstream music. It was a great show, and I highly recommend checking it out. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content, and is believed to be clean. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 19:42:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 993933BEFB; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:42:24 -0800 Message-ID: <001b01c759de$42fa9a40$76f8bb43@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20070226164807.51502.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdZxed1fhyw6Us3RoeOptl3+oT0RgAF2aoA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Brian, I am also a fan of Page and his production in general in terms of dynamics, but have you heard "How the West was Won"? It was hugely disappointing for me in this regard; it is squashed beyond belief, and so is the sound on the Zeppelin DVD, which was released around the same time. I don't know if it was Page himself who suddenly caved in or his mastering engineer, but I really wish I could hear those recordings with some dynamics still intact. ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: Brian Kupferschmid [mailto:apparitionapparition@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible I wholly agree with this, I believe a lot of today's music is crap, not just because the talent is lacking, but the dynamics as a whole is lacking. Aside from super compressed material, the bands themselves only see to know two sounds, clean and dirty. Where's the middle ground? I can listen to a blues song and still hear the dynamics, I can hear the accentuations on the notes being played to create emotion. A lot of today's pop and rock music lacks that. Mind you, Metal in all it's forms, isn't supposed to be dynamic in the musical sense, but why would you squeeze the life out of any song to make it in your face? My favorite stuff to listen to would be anything Jimmy Page produced(Led Zeppelin for sure). He composed his songs and used the studio to enhance his material with what he refers to "light and shade". The combination of close and room micing, soft versus loud and layering acoustics with clean electrics and so on. If you think about it, even some of the heaviest sounding stuff he did, wasn't all that distorted. Ultimately, his use of dynamics traslated over into the mastering part as well, what makes the big parts sound big is the small parts, thus making the song truly engulfing. Another band to use dynamics to it's fullest is Tool, because of the ebb and flow, you can listen to an 8 minute tune and not get bored, because the shifts in phrasing and dynamics keeps you there, and what's more, everytime you listen to it, a new part pops up you didn't realise was there before. Anyway, I've spoken what I think, so I have to agree, part of what is annoying about today's music is the lack of dynamics, it wears you out. --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > This is an interesting article posted on the jazz > guitar discussion group. > Jeff Kaiser and I had some interesting discussions > about the abuses or > misgivings of compression and the quest for hotter > levels in newer CDs when > I was mastering the discs for the Boise Experimental > Music Festival....all > the different ways you can increase levels (for CDs > to sound comparable to > other professional CDs in your player), yet > maintain natural dynamics, etc. > Now, it has occured to me that often times when I > hear a CD, especially > pop/rock CDs, and I think to myself, wow that is a > really hot and "in your > face" level", the mix also doesn't have much of a > dynamic range...some guy > is screaming his lyrics, or you can tell that is is > practically blowing his > brains out to get that tone out of his horn...but it > is no louder than the > section where he is wispering poetry over an ambient > section. It's like > compress, compress, compress, limit, limit, > limit....turn that wave form > into a solid bar, and then raise it to 0db...in your > face, 100% of the time. > Below is the first time I've seen this referred to > as exhausting, but it > makes sense. Even if you turn your stereo down, > there might be something to > be said of giving the human pyche a break with > natural dynamics and more > space. > Tension....release....tension...release....louder....softer, > etc, > etc. > > This article/topic, could I suppose turn into the > discussion of the > pschological results/benefits of adding more space > to one's compositions > (not making the composition "better" or "worse," > mind you). Can adding more > space and natural dynamics put the human psche at > ease? Is it more condusive > to generating natural emotive responses? (natural > meaning those that one > might expect on the bell curve of a person, day to > day). Good questions. I > suppose part II of the article below could explore > this: "Natural dynamics > in music and 'Horror of the Vacuum'." > > What would be hilarious, or maybe frightening, is if > something happened to > our atmosphere, such that it added a form of > compression and normalization > to 0db to all sound....imagine walking down the > street, hearing a boy wisper > to his mother, a man scream at his dog, a > streetworker jackhammering, cars > beeping, etc...but everything never veered much > from 0db....even the > ambience in the atmosphere (white noise) would be > 0db. We might go insane. > :) > > I included some excerpts from the article below, as > well. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Everything Louder Than Everything Else: Have the > loudness wars reached their > final battle? > http://www.austin360.com/music/content/music/stories/xl/2006/09/28cover.html > > "You listen to these modern records, they're > atrocious, they have sound all > over them. There's no definition of nothing, no > vocal, no nothing, just > like - static." > > - Bob Dylan in Rolling Stone magazine > > "There's something . . . sinister in audio that is > causing our listeners > fatigue and even pain while trying to enjoy their > favorite music. It has > been propagated by A&R departments for the last > eight years: The complete > abuse of compression in mastering (forced on the > mastering engineers against > their will and better judgment)." > > "The mistaken belief that a 'super loud' record will > sound better and > magically turn a song into a hit has caused most > major label releases in the > past eight years to be an aural assault on the > listener," Montrone's letter > continued. "Have you ever heard one of those test > tones on TV when the > station is off the air? Notice how it becomes > painfully annoying in a very > short time? That's essentially what you do to a song > when you super compress > it. You eliminate all dynamics." > > For those already confused, Montrone was essentially > saying that there are > millions of copies of CDs being released that are > physically exhausting > listeners, most of whom probably don't know why > their ears and brains are > feeling worn out. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 20:52:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 316243BEE1; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: mac titanium G4 looping? Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:52:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Just got a used Mac Titanium Powerbook G4 and was considering tricking it out for live looping/ processing. Any list members out there using this model computer for software based live looping /processing and if so what hardware upgrades did you do to optimize it for this purpose? Thanks. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 21:02:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73DBA3BEDE; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KJDN4+DbvJQmMkhlyIdlJRrKoBipBdyyVaywFuDLZnxbM4wx3g5lxiYpjhqrSuJHye/n1Ha3bnOAnbTilbPtje6k/F/Sx+esMD/MoZ0TxO1FzBbXSFQtKakK5qx0BSjxZybnWHKcyxBI6MlNULo/wbg8sHpsU9b5JW6ppuvrAHY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Z80TNeTcf9lTn38lgXErWU1gwPJtdchFmk7QWhfWkofIVoFJd0J8xuoESu2HawqHqeATcHX6RBjRAu5yMM/LumoGvRTqVSlte8Qt0Dl6NDvlpbEBNIDPTGzeWK+qukn7uXqiC2XRzMHX5VXvRnW9qlcQ177+jZ+Vnmj+gCE9adE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: mac titanium G4 looping? Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:02:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:02:37 +0000 (UTC) On 26 feb 2007, at 21.52, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Just got a used Mac Titanium Powerbook G4 and was considering > tricking it out for live looping/ processing. Any list members out > there using this model computer for software based live looping / > processing and if so what hardware upgrades did you do to optimize > it for this purpose? Thanks. - Paul I have one of those. Mine is a 1,25 GHZ CPU machine with 2 GB ram. Doesn't need any optimization except for a decent audio interface. Of course you need to turn off screen saver and hibernation mode for looping. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 21:39:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A531C3BEDD; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oc5DdkKeeCN46n0d2YmJmzufhYeavS9X6Q08HfKm9oPVdYSGp+yht9dTSHYN/2RP7yRmynxQfc1WEd2Evk2vmvYlpFhSS8IOYbTutQdVOiTEe5mJAv5QoST6YfksEz8ah6mcxrihv4wWP7rF0KpiWTRd4fXUrDc0UZX8izACMrU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Pqp9pyXZi+rInybgA8cre3feeHS8wCxO5ZsZJeF1Kca4Fa94MymA+fIgolbm0w+9yNUhS0f8r/2+lBBQRIU3ih/R7DXTj/Tm8iKfebuG8zYvWhVu484LlmKozDv7i+mXNFqjBVsrF96kZ1gA1eyWvvkoed0E4WLi0apypEBdnpA= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:39:33 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Native Instrument's Electronic Instruments 2 XT In-Reply-To: <325746.84397.qm@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <325746.84397.qm@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Mark wrote: > That's the beauty of ebay. Sometimes you give a good > deal, sometimes you get a good deal. Well, I think I got a good deal on this one! I had expected someone to kick my bid up a bit higher and I was ready to counter... > I wonder if it's because people looking for deals on > software will just as soon pirate it then purchase it... I guess I don't get that - I mean, when I first started with PC's, a guy tried to hand me copies of all kinds of things (dbase III and Lotus, if that dates me), but I just didn't feel right taking it... > maybe because there's a preponderence of decent > to great free stuff out there. Heehee, the free stuff is usually what makes me appreciate the commercial software! ;-) I've dealt with enough open source stuff now ("you have the source, you can fix it") that I really appreciate being able to pay someone else for a good product! (Mind you, I'm NOT saying all commercial software is good or that all free software is bad...) > Anyhow, I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. It's worth it for FastFX > alone! Cool, can't wait! Thanks... -- Doug http://www.softsampling.com http://www.analognotes.com http://www.stoogepanels.com and soon: http://www.vsigx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 21:55:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D93183BEEA; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E3575C.3020503@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:55:40 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702161348j7cee61e6ga509b9134de58dea@mail.gmail.com> <45DC20E2.8060509@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > Another band I liked at that time was Camel Oh yes, but they had just one masterpiece (The Snow Goose) which stands out so much to the rest... The same with Nektar and "A Tab In The Ocean" Premiata Forneria Marconi was more reliable... Ah I feel like those old daddys talking about the good old times... (Even if they had been the worst ever in reality... ;-) > I know US had excellent radio stations early on that played > progressive music of all genres. In Germany we had excellent radio stations, but for the lesser known stuff I went to a record store back then, look at the cover to get an idea about the spirit (Roger Dean or Hipgnosis would always grab my interest) and give it a listen... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 22:01:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD36F3BEE2; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E3589B.5060301@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:00:59 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone using NI Guitar Rig 2? References: <011d01c7530c$312b9040$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <498C1D5E-E79D-436F-8335-587BF44EC934@gmail.com> <45D86E4F.6080803@infinivert.com> <022001c75382$6458e5f0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D8B543.9070700@infinivert.com> <031201c753a0$7e591ab0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D8C290.6010601@infinivert.com> <0C0D8ADF-078C-416C-BF27-D4C08A844D94@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0C0D8ADF-078C-416C-BF27-D4C08A844D94@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > I'm not using the dedicated hardware pedal, Rig Kontrol 2, but I'm > wondering if the noise artifact issue is active there too? Which audio interface are you using? eventually a combination of audio and Midi? Some of them would react with cracles on too much Midi data streaming in, seems to be a driver and/or firmware issue... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 22:14:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0C9A3BEFB; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:17:53 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: mac titanium G4 looping? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <03d301c759f3$f5eaf6d0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Thread-index: AcdZ6X4HEE1OgSLpSYCNVyxoc+ToDQACDTfQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:14:16 +0000 (UTC) I've got even a slower one with just 1MB RAM and I can loop 16 stereo tracks at once, if I don't use too many VSTs. Non-multitrack looping should be a snap next to that. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 4:03 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: mac titanium G4 looping? > > > On 26 feb 2007, at 21.52, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > > > Just got a used Mac Titanium Powerbook G4 and was considering > > tricking it out for live looping/ processing. Any list > members out > > there using this model computer for software based live looping / > > processing and if so what hardware upgrades did you do to optimize > > it for this purpose? Thanks. - Paul > > > I have one of those. Mine is a 1,25 GHZ CPU machine with 2 GB ram. > Doesn't need any optimization except for a decent audio > interface. Of > course you need to turn off screen saver and hibernation mode for > looping. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 22:15:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60EEE3BED5; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070226172158.028690e0@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:22:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: RC20-xl question In-Reply-To: <20070225200100.sw44poxn7oocw84k@69.89.21.76> References: <00df01c75853$3577ec10$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20070225200100.sw44poxn7oocw84k@69.89.21.76> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-12002765 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks. Can someone just list the buttons, left to right, on the Boss RC-20XL? I figured out the first one, reverse... thanks Chris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 2/25/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 22:17:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 746FB3BEDB; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4102.69.59.206.219.1172528262.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <45E3575C.3020503@addcom.de> References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702161348j7cee61e6ga509b9134de58dea@mail.gmail.com> <45DC20E2.8060509@addcom.de> <45E3575C.3020503@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:17:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.438, required 6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.96) X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner-From: improv@peak.org X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:17:55 +0000 (UTC) > In Germany we had excellent radio stations, but for the lesser known > stuff I went to a record store back then, look at the cover to get an > idea about the spirit (Roger Dean or Hipgnosis would always grab my > interest) and give it a listen... > That brings back the memories. The first Osibisa album I bought, which was also the first African music I heard, was bought because it had a Roger Dean cover. Yes, I was a prog nerd. As a result of that purchase, I also started down the road to Afro-nerdism. So, is there any designer today that will make automatically buy a disc, or at least take a second look? I can't think of any off the top of my head, and I look at hundreds of records a week. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content, and is believed to be clean. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 22:54:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 653313BECD; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:54:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=PH0U7Mcwoo1xTC/wAWqaW+uyVIyJo5U2C3SQy/pLbdzbmA2xUREUiHnZibC87pjbh6JQ/hgmpi4RkjcO+1oxDplwD95OohtNDUv/LkVr+iPJTO7RjCF8SjQKqNF5CinMO5gKpA70wy0MDh5B94k9gtGQmOLKw+nonx5AT0ygu3U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pv7tDr+pSq6zjRvgoOZht4AGR7sLQ8AfBv9njKfL65OijCzz3oYfGCNa3arVveus6SlZXCSxlGZqfU9a2Js9gF3AGE1Kg8KS7RWfhyvQP1KAkENwqUB3pCCW3kXfcAZ/FTmxMeuQGS1CX8NZOb/M084yRf2OPHiFgyGE05BJDow= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45E3589B.5060301@addcom.de> References: <011d01c7530c$312b9040$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <498C1D5E-E79D-436F-8335-587BF44EC934@gmail.com> <45D86E4F.6080803@infinivert.com> <022001c75382$6458e5f0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D8B543.9070700@infinivert.com> <031201c753a0$7e591ab0$b5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45D8C290.6010601@infinivert.com> <0C0D8ADF-078C-416C-BF27-D4C08A844D94@gmail.com> <45E3589B.5060301@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <759DECBE-CF09-4608-A414-241693300C21@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Anyone using NI Guitar Rig 2? Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:53:56 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:54:02 +0000 (UTC) > Per Boysen wrote: >> I'm not using the dedicated hardware pedal, Rig Kontrol 2, but >> I'm wondering if the noise artifact issue is active there too? > On 26 feb 2007, at 23.00, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Which audio interface are you using? eventually a combination of > audio and Midi? Some of them would react with cracles on too much > Midi data streaming in, seems to be a driver and/or firmware issue... Hi STefan, I have been trying different combinations of Audio Interfaces and MIDI interfaces. RME Multiface, Ecco Indigo i/o as audio and as MIDI both the RME built-in MIDI in port and a separate USB MIDI-Link interface. I have also noticed similar "zipper noise" in other software (Ableton Live) and external devices like my TC Electronic FireworX - all happening when manipulating a parameters values by external MIDI CC. So it seems to be a general issue and very hard to isolate. Some patches are more vulnerable than other, but I have not found any rules yet. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 23:26:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 210C43BED8; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.3.198] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070226162255.BE4393BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: atmosphere...all go insane Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:26:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2007 23:26:27.0871 (UTC) FILETIME=[89E93AF0:01C759FD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:26:30 +0000 (UTC) I think part of what's happening is ,the world is so noisy,and getting noisier all the time,that people tend to screen out much or most of the audio (and other bandwidths for that matter) in their perceptual fields,most of the time. A number times I've seen emergency vehicles w/ sirens blaring ,stuck in traffic,being ignored .And not just in cities. So advertising ,and I consider pop music advertising, gets louder more in your face harder to ignore. another thing that happens ,I think people still need audio stimulation to counterbalance all the stimulus screening of daliy life,so they tend to take it in concentrated doses in forms that are identified as hedonistic.. Marshall McLuhan said that each generation grow's up in an environment formed,and informed by newer technologies than their parents grew uo with.SO the frequencies and dynamics are different,experientially it's a different world.Each generations's music/dance /fashion is a tool for it to learn how to move in this new world ,o learn it's rhythms and dynamics. _________________________________________________________________ Want a degree but can't afford to quit? Top school degrees online - in as fast as 1 year http://forms.nextag.com/goto.jsp?url=/serv/main/buyer/education.jsp?doSearch=n&tm=y&search=education_text_links_88_h288c&s=4079&p=5116 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 23:28:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7D053BEE2; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=nhXcicTzHtBmQbrF34Yp5qhPuJuSAdLO0R8muLjgVToi126jZvp6/f5WIFa38QxNVVxcEWQ6uLlBzGiqUOmhdERuSyf/K57xe6Cy7JOlfy4oqVtjVw2FWzYqj1/fwXJzfzjOpuQZYhTDg+wG3YqyTfWv3Tz5vhqvr37/D0GX710=; X-YMail-OSG: CosHzrcVM1lEaFCYozMuX0xyEkpk7yfFIOAbFAEojgpJqcNNGAOtaD3CocSnj5rCdhQ92YPXkHlkQqGt5JCH5asLxQAEgccLKrMYK_Fh33EysP7wsELqgCdCSH_1KoBssSBNkV4h9ThOUjk- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:28:41 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E26AF2.8070306@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <608415.99704.qm@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:28:42 +0000 (UTC) If you're really into real piano I doubt you'll be happy with any of the software mentioned. Your best bet is to save and get a kick ass sampler like Kontakt. It comes with a few very good pianos IMO (though I'm probably not the most picky when it comes to piano sounds) The one piece of gear I miss the most when I did what you're doing was my ROMpler (a Roland XV-5050) I'd say try out the software at your favorite local music store or friends house before you buy just in case. Mark --- Joshua Carroll wrote: > If you haven't purchased your laptop yet, you could > get a Mac and use > the sounds built into Garage Band. > > --Josh > > aaron leese wrote: > > > > > > Here a tangentially related topic ..... > > > > I need a good keyboard synth program .... because > I have a midi > > controller (keyboard), and a rack mounted synth, > but would like to > > sell the rack mounted equip and use just a laptop > (save space)..... > > > > Sampletank is good (but very expensive) ... I have > been looking for > > alternatives, but with little luck. The only free > ones I found > > (4front and MDA) are mediocre, and have some > latency issues running > > with VSThost. > > > > Can anyone offer advice on this? I wouldn't mind > spending a few > > hundred if I can get something that will replace > my korg triton rack > > ...... > > > > > > Aaron > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Want a degree but can't afford to quit? Top school > degrees online - in > > as fast as 1 year > > > http://forms.nextag.com/goto.jsp?url=/serv/main/buyer/education.jsp?doSearch=n&tm=y&search=education_text_links_88_h288c&s=4079&p=5116 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 23:47:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97B163BEDF; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.3.198] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070226191318.75B0B3BF1A@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Auto Audio Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:47:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2007 23:47:51.0249 (UTC) FILETIME=[86DD2C10:01C75A00] Resent-Message-ID: <13RaGB.A.4o.pG34FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Several mentions of cars as the listening environment,and car noise setting the floor level.Probably all Americans.But this proves once again that the oil comopanies are out to control the world-It's all Bush and Cheney's foult that popmusi is so bad. I should like to point out that the classic Motown stuff was mixed with lo fi car radios in mind and it still sounds great. _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 23:53:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E9143BEE1; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: Anyone using NI Guitar Rig 2? Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:53:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <759DECBE-CF09-4608-A414-241693300C21@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdZ+WY3kS/WyZzUSr6z3162j9aDjQAB7pmQ Message-Id: <200702261556109.SM03396@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D73980282000065b6.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Zipper noise.... Perhaps we'll have to make it an effect ! ;-) aka make 'bugs' into 'features' -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 2:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone using NI Guitar Rig 2? > Per Boysen wrote: >> I'm not using the dedicated hardware pedal, Rig Kontrol 2, but I'm >> wondering if the noise artifact issue is active there too? > On 26 feb 2007, at 23.00, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Which audio interface are you using? eventually a combination of audio > and Midi? Some of them would react with cracles on too much Midi data > streaming in, seems to be a driver and/or firmware issue... Hi STefan, I have been trying different combinations of Audio Interfaces and MIDI interfaces. RME Multiface, Ecco Indigo i/o as audio and as MIDI both the RME built-in MIDI in port and a separate USB MIDI-Link interface. I have also noticed similar "zipper noise" in other software (Ableton Live) and external devices like my TC Electronic FireworX - all happening when manipulating a parameters values by external MIDI CC. So it seems to be a general issue and very hard to isolate. Some patches are more vulnerable than other, but I have not found any rules yet. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 01:41:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02E603BECF; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=FtRAwvf2h1D9OFiAlEvhdgWXFUYzFF0sjIHbgwRJxmBUqQARF4UBk0FGOSbREzvweedpA1FOgVCWxcSHh+RGuqWcgwMnosgnub1iftS+eiStc2BB3Xv9lFyUhoYmTRJmWnh/ad3r35rWbDwosyd+fPmYoABsNj3B+SR89yRz52Q=; X-YMail-OSG: JCVzoe4VM1ncLYpV6BKZ5kYWsvrbfMwsXPrJMMORL9b886KEgUETdyur_7NSMU7c0chFNeFKNzIZIG0_LXa6c5_tQCN9pyn26QCk_SEKBv7Vh2yQ60CkIg-- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:41:21 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Why contemporary music sounds terrible To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001b01c759de$42fa9a40$76f8bb43@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <816950.18140.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Absolutely Brian!those Zeppelin record production still amaze me,and they are made to be turned up!those drum sounds still sound fresh and the sounds page got out of those small amps and guitars are the most interesting ive heard in rock n roll history.What ive always found brilliant about such a band was the passion behind it,there are mistakes all over the place like the solo on "baby i am gonna leave you" the instrumental "black mountain side" or the bleeding echo at the end of "you shook me" or the cut off lost part by their engineer which i believe page fired on the spot which they had to solve by pasting another part at the begining of "celebration day"... but is the honesty power and passion,no frills or thrills they played back in those days that make them so special to this day,almost as if it was the last time they were going to live... Luis --- greg williams wrote: > Brian, > > I am also a fan of Page and his production in > general in terms of dynamics, > but have you heard "How the West was Won"? It was > hugely disappointing for > me in this regard; it is squashed beyond belief, and > so is the sound on the > Zeppelin DVD, which was released around the same > time. I don't know if it > was Page himself who suddenly caved in or his > mastering engineer, but I > really wish I could hear those recordings with some > dynamics still intact. > > ~Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Kupferschmid > [mailto:apparitionapparition@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:48 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible > > I wholly agree with this, I believe a lot of today's > music is crap, not just because the talent is > lacking, > but the dynamics as a whole is lacking. Aside from > super compressed material, the bands themselves only > see to know two sounds, clean and dirty. Where's > the > middle ground? I can listen to a blues song and > still > hear the dynamics, I can hear the accentuations on > the > notes being played to create emotion. A lot of > today's pop and rock music lacks that. Mind you, > Metal in all it's forms, isn't supposed to be > dynamic > in the musical sense, but why would you squeeze the > life out of any song to make it in your face? My > favorite stuff to listen to would be anything Jimmy > Page produced(Led Zeppelin for sure). He composed > his > songs and used the studio to enhance his material > with > what he refers to "light and shade". The > combination > of close and room micing, soft versus loud and > layering acoustics with clean electrics and so on. > If > you think about it, even some of the heaviest > sounding > stuff he did, wasn't all that distorted. > Ultimately, > his use of dynamics traslated over into the > mastering > part as well, what makes the big parts sound big is > the small parts, thus making the song truly > engulfing. > Another band to use dynamics to it's fullest is > Tool, > because of the ebb and flow, you can listen to an 8 > minute tune and not get bored, because the shifts in > phrasing and dynamics keeps you there, and what's > more, everytime you listen to it, a new part pops up > you didn't realise was there before. Anyway, I've > spoken what I think, so I have to agree, part of > what > is annoying about today's music is the lack of > dynamics, it wears you out. > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > This is an interesting article posted on the jazz > > guitar discussion group. > > Jeff Kaiser and I had some interesting discussions > > about the abuses or > > misgivings of compression and the quest for hotter > > levels in newer CDs when > > I was mastering the discs for the Boise > Experimental > > Music Festival....all > > the different ways you can increase levels (for > CDs > > to sound comparable to > > other professional CDs in your player), yet > > maintain natural dynamics, etc. > > Now, it has occured to me that often times when I > > hear a CD, especially > > pop/rock CDs, and I think to myself, wow that is a > > really hot and "in your > > face" level", the mix also doesn't have much of a > > dynamic range...some guy > > is screaming his lyrics, or you can tell that is > is > > practically blowing his > > brains out to get that tone out of his horn...but > it > > is no louder than the > > section where he is wispering poetry over an > ambient > > section. It's like > > compress, compress, compress, limit, limit, > > limit....turn that wave form > > into a solid bar, and then raise it to 0db...in > your > > face, 100% of the time. > > Below is the first time I've seen this referred to > > as exhausting, but it > > makes sense. Even if you turn your stereo down, > > there might be something to > > be said of giving the human pyche a break with > > natural dynamics and more > > space. > > > Tension....release....tension...release....louder....softer, > > etc, > > etc. > > > > This article/topic, could I suppose turn into the > > discussion of the > > pschological results/benefits of adding more space > > to one's compositions > > (not making the composition "better" or "worse," > > mind you). Can adding more > > space and natural dynamics put the human psche at > > ease? Is it more condusive > > to generating natural emotive responses? (natural > > meaning those that one > > might expect on the bell curve of a person, day to > > day). Good questions. I > > suppose part II of the article below could explore > > this: "Natural dynamics > > in music and 'Horror of the Vacuum'." > > > > What would be hilarious, or maybe frightening, is > if > > something happened to > > our atmosphere, such that it added a form of > > compression and normalization > > to 0db to all sound....imagine walking down the > > street, hearing a boy wisper > > to his mother, a man scream at his dog, a > > streetworker jackhammering, cars > > beeping, etc...but everything never veered much > > from 0db....even the > > ambience in the atmosphere (white noise) would be > > 0db. We might go insane. > > :) > > > > I included some excerpts from the article below, > as > > well. > > > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Everything Louder Than Everything Else: Have the > > loudness wars reached their > > final battle? > > > http://www.austin360.com/music/content/music/stories/xl/2006/09/28cover.html > > > > "You listen to these modern records, they're > > atrocious, they have sound all > > over them. There's no definition of nothing, no > > vocal, no nothing, just > > like - static." > > > > - Bob Dylan in Rolling Stone magazine > > > > "There's something . . . sinister in audio that is > > causing our listeners > > fatigue and even pain while trying to enjoy their > > favorite music. It has > > been propagated by A&R departments for the last > > eight years: The complete > > abuse of compression in mastering (forced on the > > mastering engineers against > > their will and better judgment)." > > > > "The mistaken belief that a 'super loud' record > will > > sound better and > > magically turn a song into a hit has caused most > > major label releases in the > > past eight years to be an aural assault on the > > listener," Montrone's letter > > continued. "Have you ever heard one of those test > > tones on TV when the > > station is off the air? Notice how it becomes > > painfully annoying in a very > > short time? That's essentially what you do to a > song > > when you super compress > > it. You eliminate all dynamics." > > > > For those already confused, Montrone was > essentially > > saying that there are > === message truncated === www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 01:55:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E99F3BED9; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:55:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wgSxGfEBMLNbZ6dQq8KI2fE0wXtD6XnZFqrb3T2ItOza/7QhEvcrrGpOWM9QemnPmD0enmbI2l/KLpNC58LpZEN01tcwi+QZCoI4v0+Lq5ST2P+PPZYF4ZuZOv8SUWc3sR6IcylhPAJW8aCS9xXdnzNncf9ws1+rgYd2PsPeZXw=; X-YMail-OSG: 23FKr4oVM1n_G3nOeIWeQuh7r0Es6LsHBFXXEV9je6bd4mZQFOVxtCmhdPgGT106vsucsSM3p4nBdsoLZDruMruo29cTwdJ1n6x8MGhiMSQl7Wp51O25TTQpt0Vw49tSo58MyYiPxgGtkQ-- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:55:41 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Roland RD-1000 connector To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, synth-diy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <191554.96796.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:55:42 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Seeing as i can't find a power supply/pedal unit for my Roland RD-1000, does anyone know where to get the J.A.E. 21/16 plug that connects to the back of the keyboard? 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Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 01:58:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F3E53BED0; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1JIDj61fy+iVXyBWjdo7lITkDatDH7YQ1JQmZE9rxUHF2hAUpCl0pf4pB2yt/L/twzxZXleT8vHg7kR7YOiDXrACkVgiuq9UArcrU8CJv7vTh7Um7MEpDTTB57y3XWMxpGazngg4za4+sditMEqmrv74AHhMlyrWmvy2V6gd27s=; X-YMail-OSG: YDM_bjQVM1nwXufbGM126CKkUXEdvytG884BvOSHlG767Cdp.eDLXyW_DtU.twsw1taLw4FmJVHK34nGxTdIN7DOzQBMlkuTbNDIwhYzcFz2Ukzd1qj3FIlmUtlNlGqnb7Kku695F4ePyGM- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:57:59 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Why contemporary everything sounds terrible To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257BA6E@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <713676.78828.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:58:00 +0000 (UTC) I hear you, here is Germany the ads are so loud i thought there was a problem with my system at first! it is brutally anoying, i feel sorry for a lot of childrens ears(or maybe i am becoming an old fart:-) Luis > with radio & tv broadcasting, it's been a simple > matter of balancing your punch-through power against > this business of listener fatigue. doesn't matter > whether the listener is in heavy traffic or not. > > I am personally responsible for achieving this > balance at MTV Europe, with about two dozen > tc-electronic dBmax devices. but here, we are > showing music videos & programmes with a lot of > music/shouting/random noises in amongst, well, > commercials. so there's not really a lot of variety > for the ear anyway. I have done the same for a > couple of movie channels, though, so I know what the > perils of over-compression are.... > > dolby labs have this thing that they use to track > the dialogue level in movies, which works quite well > but requires a total, end-to-end buy-in to dolby's > world. while they've been quite forthcoming with > their technology, there's still a license fee for > it, & on top of that, there's a great deal of sniffy > "not-invented-here" in the pro-audio world, > especially when it comes to the movie industry. > > other broadcasters I have met with, who receive the > same commercials from the same ad agencies, have a > problem that's familiar to any british tv viewers & > probably many in the US & europe; the commercials > are competing with each other for your attention. > if they come on in the ad-break of a particularly > emotionally-complex movie, which has been cut so > that there's an end-of-act "moment" for the viewer > to ponder, it's like being whacked in the face with > a shovel. > I spoke to one broadcaster whose movie seasons were > sponsored by a belgian beer company, & somehow > managed to get them to reduce the audio level of the > sponsorship "bumpers" in & out of the ad-breaks so > that the transition was a little more user-friendly. > the rest of the UK doesn't know it was me that > achieved this, of course..... > > mastering one's own material is much more difficult > because of this "everything louder than everything > else" trend. your average engineer (& I am one) > will, at some point, think "why am I bothering to > preserve more than 30dB of dynamic across this > album, when the radio station is just going to > flatten it all out anyway?". if he's not worried > about that, then it might occur to him in a similar > way that his work is going to fetch up in an i-pod > or on the internet or in some otherwise data-reduced > form, & that the best hope for all the meticulously > recorded detail, with this data reduction in > prospect, is for it to be as loud as possible. > or he might just be following some natural instinct > & keeping everything as far away from the noise > floor as possible. which is ironic, given that we're > supposed to be so much better off in that respect > these days. > > y'can't win. > > duncan. > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 01:59:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2DD43BED5; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <816950.18140.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <816950.18140.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:58:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: RE: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112013d97fe7202ee43643c9e05d5b616988671bba10a1fbfa1a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Too bad that the remastered Zep CDs are too loud way too bright... >Absolutely Brian!those Zeppelin record production >still amaze me,and they are made to be turned up!those >drum sounds still sound fresh and the sounds page got >out of those small amps and guitars are the most >interesting ive heard in rock n roll history.What ive >always found brilliant about such a band was the >passion behind it,there are mistakes all over the >place like the solo on "baby i am gonna leave you" the >instrumental "black mountain side" or the bleeding >echo at the end of "you shook me" or the cut off lost >part by their engineer which i believe page fired on >the spot which they had to solve by pasting another >part at the begining of "celebration day"... >but is the honesty power and passion,no frills or >thrills they played back in those days that make them >so special to this day,almost as if it was the last >time they were going to live... >Luis > > > > >--- greg williams wrote: > >> Brian, >> >> I am also a fan of Page and his production in >> general in terms of dynamics, >> but have you heard "How the West was Won"? It was >> hugely disappointing for >> me in this regard; it is squashed beyond belief, and >> so is the sound on the >> Zeppelin DVD, which was released around the same >> time. I don't know if it >> was Page himself who suddenly caved in or his >> mastering engineer, but I >> really wish I could hear those recordings with some >> dynamics still intact. >> >> ~Greg >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Brian Kupferschmid >> [mailto:apparitionapparition@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:48 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible >> >> I wholly agree with this, I believe a lot of today's >> music is crap, not just because the talent is >> lacking, >> but the dynamics as a whole is lacking. Aside from >> super compressed material, the bands themselves only >> see to know two sounds, clean and dirty. Where's >> the >> middle ground? I can listen to a blues song and >> still >> hear the dynamics, I can hear the accentuations on >> the >> notes being played to create emotion. A lot of >> today's pop and rock music lacks that. Mind you, >> Metal in all it's forms, isn't supposed to be >> dynamic >> in the musical sense, but why would you squeeze the >> life out of any song to make it in your face? My >> favorite stuff to listen to would be anything Jimmy >> Page produced(Led Zeppelin for sure). He composed >> his >> songs and used the studio to enhance his material >> with >> what he refers to "light and shade". The >> combination >> of close and room micing, soft versus loud and >> layering acoustics with clean electrics and so on. >> If >> you think about it, even some of the heaviest >> sounding >> stuff he did, wasn't all that distorted. >> Ultimately, >> his use of dynamics traslated over into the >> mastering >> part as well, what makes the big parts sound big is >> the small parts, thus making the song truly >> engulfing. >> Another band to use dynamics to it's fullest is >> Tool, >> because of the ebb and flow, you can listen to an 8 >> minute tune and not get bored, because the shifts in >> phrasing and dynamics keeps you there, and what's >> more, everytime you listen to it, a new part pops up >> you didn't realise was there before. Anyway, I've >> spoken what I think, so I have to agree, part of > > what >> is annoying about today's music is the lack of >> dynamics, it wears you out. >> --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> > This is an interesting article posted on the jazz >> > guitar discussion group. >> > Jeff Kaiser and I had some interesting discussions >> > about the abuses or >> > misgivings of compression and the quest for hotter >> > levels in newer CDs when >> > I was mastering the discs for the Boise >> Experimental >> > Music Festival....all >> > the different ways you can increase levels (for >> CDs >> > to sound comparable to > > > other professional CDs in your player), yet >> > maintain natural dynamics, etc. >> > Now, it has occured to me that often times when I >> > hear a CD, especially >> > pop/rock CDs, and I think to myself, wow that is a >> > really hot and "in your >> > face" level", the mix also doesn't have much of a >> > dynamic range...some guy >> > is screaming his lyrics, or you can tell that is >> is >> > practically blowing his >> > brains out to get that tone out of his horn...but >> it >> > is no louder than the >> > section where he is wispering poetry over an >> ambient >> > section. It's like >> > compress, compress, compress, limit, limit, >> > limit....turn that wave form >> > into a solid bar, and then raise it to 0db...in >> your >> > face, 100% of the time. >> > Below is the first time I've seen this referred to >> > as exhausting, but it >> > makes sense. Even if you turn your stereo down, >> > there might be something to >> > be said of giving the human pyche a break with >> > natural dynamics and more >> > space. >> > >> >Tension....release....tension...release....louder....softer, >> > etc, >> > etc. >> > >> > This article/topic, could I suppose turn into the >> > discussion of the >> > pschological results/benefits of adding more space >> > to one's compositions >> > (not making the composition "better" or "worse," >> > mind you). Can adding more >> > space and natural dynamics put the human psche at >> > ease? Is it more condusive >> > to generating natural emotive responses? (natural >> > meaning those that one >> > might expect on the bell curve of a person, day to >> > day). Good questions. I >> > suppose part II of the article below could explore >> > this: "Natural dynamics >> > in music and 'Horror of the Vacuum'." >> > >> > What would be hilarious, or maybe frightening, is >> if >> > something happened to >> > our atmosphere, such that it added a form of >> > compression and normalization >> > to 0db to all sound....imagine walking down the >> > street, hearing a boy wisper >> > to his mother, a man scream at his dog, a >> > streetworker jackhammering, cars >> > beeping, etc...but everything never veered much >> > from 0db....even the >> > ambience in the atmosphere (white noise) would be >> > 0db. We might go insane. >> > :) >> > >> > I included some excerpts from the article below, >> as >> > well. >> > >> > Kris >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> > Everything Louder Than Everything Else: Have the >> > loudness wars reached their >> > final battle? >> > >> >http://www.austin360.com/music/content/music/stories/xl/2006/09/28cover.html >> > >> > "You listen to these modern records, they're >> > atrocious, they have sound all >> > over them. There's no definition of nothing, no >> > vocal, no nothing, just >> > like - static." >> > >> > - Bob Dylan in Rolling Stone magazine >> > >> > "There's something . . . sinister in audio that is >> > causing our listeners >> > fatigue and even pain while trying to enjoy their >> > favorite music. It has >> > been propagated by A&R departments for the last >> > eight years: The complete >> > abuse of compression in mastering (forced on the >> > mastering engineers against >> > their will and better judgment)." >> > >> > "The mistaken belief that a 'super loud' record >> will >> > sound better and >> > magically turn a song into a hit has caused most >> > major label releases in the >> > past eight years to be an aural assault on the >> > listener," Montrone's letter >> > continued. "Have you ever heard one of those test >> > tones on TV when the >> > station is off the air? Notice how it becomes > > > painfully annoying in a very >> > short time? That's essentially what you do to a >> song >> > when you super compress >> > it. You eliminate all dynamics." >> > >> > For those already confused, Montrone was >> essentially >> > saying that there are >> >=== message truncated === > > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go >with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. >http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 02:19:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2621D3BEDF; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <09B1F822-6ACE-4DE5-ABB0-3BBF8B6493F9@kenaxis.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-962052778 From: Stefan Smulovitz Subject: Re: Immersive sound Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:19:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <3hhFvB.A.S7.EV54FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:19:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-962052778 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > Very impressive. I look forward to the PC version. Meanwhile, a > few questions: > 1. For what does VBAP stand Velocity based amplitude panning - Not my phrase. I'm using a max/msp object created by Ville Pulkki - http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/% 7Eville/ to calculate the panning. > 2. What are the costs for Kenaxis and Kenaxis VBAP? Kenaxis or Kenaxis VBAP are $135 US or both for $189 US. Can be purchased through Share-It at - (https://secure.shareit.com/shareit/ product.html? productid=300031898&sessionid=268918384&random=7aa1fbdb4bace7bb455d807be 37f8d7d) > 3. The PDF manual for both seem to be the same link. Is everything > all in one manual or is there a wrong link for VBAP? > There is only one manual. I'll soon have an update that has all of the VBAP stuff at the end of it. Very hard to be an active performer/ composer/programmer and manual writer. :) - While it may actually take more energy - I am happy to answer any email questions. > Cheers, > > Bill Thanks, Stefan --Apple-Mail-2-962052778 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Very impressive.=A0 I look forward to the PC version.=A0 = Meanwhile, a few questions:
1. For what does VBAP = stand
Velocity based amplitude = panning - Not my phrase. I'm using a max/msp object created by=A0Ville = Pulkki -=A0http://www.acoustics.hut.fi= /%7Eville/ to calculate the panning.

2. What are the costs for Kenaxis and Kenaxis = VBAP?

Kenaxis or Kenaxis VBAP are = $135 US or both for $189 US. Can be purchased through Share-It at - (https= ://secure.shareit.com/shareit/product.html?productid=3D300031898&sessi= onid=3D268918384&random=3D7aa1fbdb4bace7bb455d807be37f8d7d)=

3. = The PDF manual for both seem to be the same link.=A0 Is everything all = in one manual or is there a wrong link for VBAP?


There is only one manual. I'll = soon have an update that has all of the VBAP stuff at the end of it. = Very hard to be an active performer/composer/programmer and manual = writer. :)=A0 - While it may actually take more energy - I am happy to = answer any email questions.


Cheers,

Bill


Thanks,

Stefan
= --Apple-Mail-2-962052778-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 02:26:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D19F73BEDD; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=HFmCRfPDkH14xOrVb8jN8nygfzG7I/x+rg9EiqOYi9VpP3sPI1P/l/YAWllE9S/MpF72oMNBXLJFTaG3QGlatpYmCfKTKQPgNnMP9Ny9oyVmgjaMSpN1+mKKFxrnSs5NPhtZAtx6y2rLG1ukjJu2OG4hH2EGrxojYEjiLr8sQ10= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=MYaaq45nlwlLNblBw928fPkT7sJpBnWNI52ZO2C1a4f6rHsrqO9j7QDN44HaGPTzxdBUj550C356ivoRxpvFQSXJiTXPW9kyEQACSiQlfjtnrNlE9URAzlDGLpld9X+ZaZ8fLdtBGbnbcEkv4QzO6NfrvIknmIQb2ly3yqlf5d4= Message-ID: <46fea78d0702261825j1d2c85b2pcde5f9f754f36dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:25:59 -0800 From: "David H" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Help with my live rig MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_85460_14212921.1172543159993" Resent-Message-ID: <2j9IWB.A.5ZB.8a54FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:26:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_85460_14212921.1172543159993 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey all, I have a conundrum I've been penciling around with for months trying to come up with a solution, but I can't quite find it on my own. When I play at home, I run everything through one mixer: two mics, guitar, two Lexicon JamMen, and at least one FX loop. When my hands are not playing guitar, they are on the channel aux sends. Its important for me to be able to adjust them myself in real-time, so I can be re-routing what goes where (Jams to FX, Mic to Jams, Guitar to FX, Mic out of FX, etc). But when I perform out live, I don't get to do this and many of my pieces are truncated. I send all signals directly to the house mixer and don't get any control myself. I could have my mixer on stage with me, and send stereo mains to the house, but I can't afford the hand-time to be EQing and riding fader levels to balance it out. I've prioritzed that to the foh engineer. I could tell him in the middle of a song, "Hey, turn aux 3 on channel four up to 12 o'clock!" but it is kindof a mood killer. So how do I get to control aux sends from onstage, and an engineer to control EQ and fader levels from front of house? Is it possible? To make things even more difficult, I've built my rig and reputation on not using computers (as in laptops) onstage, so I'd probably not use any of the software options (if there are any). Anybody else have this problem? Solutions? David ------=_Part_85460_14212921.1172543159993 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hey all, I have a conundrum I've been penciling around with for months trying to come up with a solution, but I can't quite find it on my own.
 
When I play at home, I run everything through one mixer: two mics, guitar, two Lexicon JamMen, and at least one FX loop. When my hands are not playing guitar, they are on the channel aux sends. Its important for me to be able to adjust them myself in real-time, so I can be re-routing what goes where (Jams to FX, Mic to Jams, Guitar to FX, Mic out of FX, etc).
But when I perform out live, I don't get to do this and many of my pieces are truncated. I send all signals directly to the house mixer and don't get any control myself. I could have my mixer on stage with me, and send stereo mains to the house, but I can't afford the hand-time to be EQing and riding fader levels to balance it out. I've prioritzed that to the foh engineer. I could tell him in the middle of a song, "Hey, turn aux 3 on channel four up to 12 o'clock!" but it is kindof a mood killer.
 
So how do I get to control aux sends from onstage, and an engineer to control EQ and fader levels from front of house? Is it possible? To make things even more difficult, I've built my rig and reputation on not using computers (as in laptops) onstage, so I'd probably not use any of the software options (if there are any).
Anybody else have this problem? Solutions?
 
David
------=_Part_85460_14212921.1172543159993-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 02:37:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 331993BEE1; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070226214350.04336888@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:44:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible In-Reply-To: <6106.167.83.10.20.1172511500.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.c om> References: <20070226164807.51502.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6106.167.83.10.20.1172511500.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-BE75B69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Wow, being a life-long Rush fan (the first grown-up band I got into when I was 11), I'd love to read this! Anyubody have a link? Chris At 12:38 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote: >I know I'm joining late and this might have been mentioned >somewhere else >but there is an excellent article on the web that showed the >evolution (or >devolution) of music at the hand of compression and limiting. It >followed >the band RUSH through it's history and it was amazing to see the >shape of >the waveform go from a wonderful painting with shades of grey to a >solid >black stripe.... > >Here's to the spaces in the music.... > > >Plish > > >www.myspace.com/bohdanovich >www.myspace.com/michaelplishka >www.michaelplishka.com > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: >2/25/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 2/25/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 02:46:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F38E3BEE9; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4Z/QnMMgNm/gn4m+aWI75IHZnW0Yvor9RkxDBQI6EK1Ljtb/Ofh+SF31lquxKKV2Fyj29w1Iwt0vNXx283plN8F0yQ2agrZowahZYifc1LqoDZ7BL6UXqBdaK8E0jNHE/KBWU5jHqS0rZ1cF3O7lk4f54/HkzeaRQA3Ry+zaiis=; X-YMail-OSG: Kq.FG_kVM1lATkxvZhD1QwCGZDZyYC.2Uc4fhED2wu_7xrhXxTtoMwyCokfoBu9KBES_sdGlEze9tYppA_uYTYxmHkPmmH_TJJd6NsSUveQtzQ1_4qgIDdW3ZLEnuoL4nnu6uNePrkyeQYU- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:46:04 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Fender G-DEC Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200702261556109.SM03396@quahome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-456134062-1172544364=:85643" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <304456.85643.qm@web35106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7loee.A.DoC.tt54FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:46:05 +0000 (UTC) --0-456134062-1172544364=:85643 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just kidding around. There IS a "phrase sampler" on the G-DEC (I just got the 30 watt version) and I had the opportunity to play around with the 28 sec. looper. It's actually pretty cool. However, I'm currently having to stop the loops with a button on the amp which makes it rather tedious to use (albeit there's a matching pedal (ULT-4) becoming available next month for $59 that looks pretty useful. I bought this unit to use when I'm at my home (I work out of town) where my looping rig is NOT. For the $$$, so I like it. Fender Blackface patches and tweeds, delays, reverbs, drum patterns (even bass) and single loop looping with overdub. I can work with that. Regards, Paul --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. --0-456134062-1172544364=:85643 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Just kidding around. There IS a "phrase sampler" on the G-DEC (I just got the 30 watt version) and I had the opportunity to play around with the 28 sec. looper. It's actually pretty cool. However, I'm currently having to stop the loops with a button on the amp which makes it rather tedious to use (albeit there's a matching pedal (ULT-4) becoming available next month for $59 that looks pretty useful.
 
I bought this unit to use when I'm at my home (I work out of town) where my looping rig is NOT. For the $$$, so I like it. Fender Blackface patches and tweeds, delays, reverbs, drum patterns  (even bass) and single loop looping with overdub. I can work with that.
 
Regards, Paul


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Mail beta. --0-456134062-1172544364=:85643-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 03:24:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5BE23BED2; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=pLv2O/zfGjFrdmjRT7F78LrA4jC129PIs+s6E4+L6q4bFtVtiyfNtRUyOMJKUwMBCBZUUvoDyhV0X/AKH04ZuujB8nXLd4AIzc59pYiAoYsK1GmG1l4PZsu5qY/35Bbu+1VGczIXkvZ0fjiBrAyQXhrdYT0bY8LSVqh6PNLWe0w=; X-YMail-OSG: JV21m_IVM1mW.LHRrzo_7Dml_uT390bG0WjMsIR3NO8ty6dxB1FGhKLS.KpE.3peQMVAvb3URNdqXoO8Q0WJOfTjcSdC15ScOLTQJnsMjuqDD3UNPdQlRJIzGHIEbQ.nbc0ocf8JpHYVAi8- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:24:05 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Why contemporary music sounds terrible To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <453777.93710.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:24:06 +0000 (UTC) yes this is true the vinyl albums sound much better! cheers Luis --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > > Too bad that the remastered Zep CDs are too loud way > too bright... > > > >Absolutely Brian!those Zeppelin record production > >still amaze me,and they are made to be turned > up!those > >drum sounds still sound fresh and the sounds page > got > >out of those small amps and guitars are the most > >interesting ive heard in rock n roll history.What > ive > >always found brilliant about such a band was the > >passion behind it,there are mistakes all over the > >place like the solo on "baby i am gonna leave you" > the > >instrumental "black mountain side" or the bleeding > >echo at the end of "you shook me" or the cut off > lost > >part by their engineer which i believe page fired > on > >the spot which they had to solve by pasting another > >part at the begining of "celebration day"... > >but is the honesty power and passion,no frills or > >thrills they played back in those days that make > them > >so special to this day,almost as if it was the last > >time they were going to live... > >Luis > > > > > > > > > >--- greg williams > wrote: > > > >> Brian, > >> > >> I am also a fan of Page and his production in > >> general in terms of dynamics, > >> but have you heard "How the West was Won"? It > was > >> hugely disappointing for > >> me in this regard; it is squashed beyond belief, > and > >> so is the sound on the > >> Zeppelin DVD, which was released around the same > >> time. I don't know if it > >> was Page himself who suddenly caved in or his > >> mastering engineer, but I > >> really wish I could hear those recordings with > some > >> dynamics still intact. > >> > >> ~Greg > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Brian Kupferschmid > >> [mailto:apparitionapparition@yahoo.com] > >> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:48 AM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds > terrible > >> > >> I wholly agree with this, I believe a lot of > today's > >> music is crap, not just because the talent is > >> lacking, > >> but the dynamics as a whole is lacking. Aside > from > >> super compressed material, the bands themselves > only > >> see to know two sounds, clean and dirty. > Where's > >> the > >> middle ground? I can listen to a blues song and > >> still > >> hear the dynamics, I can hear the accentuations > on > >> the > >> notes being played to create emotion. A lot of > >> today's pop and rock music lacks that. Mind > you, > >> Metal in all it's forms, isn't supposed to be > >> dynamic > >> in the musical sense, but why would you squeeze > the > >> life out of any song to make it in your face? > My > >> favorite stuff to listen to would be anything > Jimmy > >> Page produced(Led Zeppelin for sure). He > composed > >> his > >> songs and used the studio to enhance his > material > >> with > >> what he refers to "light and shade". The > >> combination > >> of close and room micing, soft versus loud and > >> layering acoustics with clean electrics and so > on. > >> If > >> you think about it, even some of the heaviest > >> sounding > >> stuff he did, wasn't all that distorted. > >> Ultimately, > >> his use of dynamics traslated over into the > >> mastering > >> part as well, what makes the big parts sound big > is > >> the small parts, thus making the song truly > >> engulfing. > >> Another band to use dynamics to it's fullest is > >> Tool, > >> because of the ebb and flow, you can listen to > an 8 > >> minute tune and not get bored, because the > shifts in > >> phrasing and dynamics keeps you there, and > what's > >> more, everytime you listen to it, a new part > pops up > >> you didn't realise was there before. Anyway, > I've > >> spoken what I think, so I have to agree, part of > > > what > >> is annoying about today's music is the lack of > >> dynamics, it wears you out. > >> --- Krispen Hartung > wrote: > >> > >> > This is an interesting article posted on the > jazz > >> > guitar discussion group. > >> > Jeff Kaiser and I had some interesting > discussions > >> > about the abuses or > >> > misgivings of compression and the quest for > hotter > >> > levels in newer CDs when > >> > I was mastering the discs for the Boise > >> Experimental > >> > Music Festival....all > >> > the different ways you can increase levels > (for > >> CDs > >> > to sound comparable to > > > > other professional CDs in your player), yet > >> > maintain natural dynamics, etc. > >> > Now, it has occured to me that often times > when I > >> > hear a CD, especially > >> > pop/rock CDs, and I think to myself, wow that > is a > >> > really hot and "in your > >> > face" level", the mix also doesn't have much > of a > >> > dynamic range...some guy > >> > is screaming his lyrics, or you can tell that > is > >> is > >> > practically blowing his > >> > brains out to get that tone out of his > horn...but > >> it > >> > is no louder than the > >> > section where he is wispering poetry over an > >> ambient > >> > section. It's like > >> > compress, compress, compress, limit, limit, > >> > limit....turn that wave form > >> > into a solid bar, and then raise it to > 0db...in > >> your > >> > face, 100% of the time. > >> > Below is the first time I've seen this > referred to > >> > as exhausting, but it > >> > makes sense. Even if you turn your stereo > down, > >> > there might be something to > >> > be said of giving the human pyche a break with > >> > natural dynamics and more > >> > space. > >> > > >> > >Tension....release....tension...release....louder....softer, > >> > etc, > >> > etc. > >> > > >> > This article/topic, could I suppose turn into > the > >> > discussion of the > >> > pschological results/benefits of adding more > space > >> > to one's compositions > >> > (not making the composition "better" or > "worse," > >> > mind you). Can adding more > === message truncated === www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 03:27:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 944153BEDE; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01c201c75a1e$f332cd20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: CAN YOU HELP ME Participants in the Y2K Live Looping Festivals Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:25:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:27:19 +0000 (UTC) I'm in the final stages of trying to get some public funding for the Y2K7 International Live Looping Festival in the form of grants. Due to illness, I am down to the last minute with my deadlines. Could you please help me,If you were........ 1) a headlined or featured performer at one of the last 5 years' festivals or 2) involved in the technology end of digital live looping or 3) have just been inspired watching performances in past festivals Would you please write me a single quotable sentence that attests to how the looping festival has favorably impacted your career as an artist or as a technical innovator. These are grant applications that we are filing so the more laudatory you can make them, the better they will enable us to finally pay some of the people and artists who have donated ALL of their time for free for the past five years in the presentation of some 125 live looping artists and half a dozen technology world premieres to the live looping community and the citizens of Northern California. I thank you in advance for taking the time to help the festival become more successful. We'll see as many of you as can make it to perform or enjoy the Y2K7 International Live Looping Festival. yours, most sincerely, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 03:36:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABB673BEDC; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <97367372-65AA-45EC-A297-A9048893F944@gmail.com> References: <048f01c759bd$96b12030$20b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <97367372-65AA-45EC-A297-A9048893F944@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1DE578FE-EB2B-4FA8-A488-F19FBDDA6F7E@finleysound.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:36:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:36:13 +0000 (UTC) >> We listen to music in completely different ways than we did 20 or >> 30 years ago. For most people, music is listened to on the go, in >> cars, on headphones while running, on computers at work. Music has >> to compete with the sound of your car's engine, has to punch >> through the background noise of street traffic or a loud office. One of the reasons I find commercial radio so unlistenable (besides the music sucking), is that even though it is loud you can't hear a blasted thing!! Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 03:44:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A8603BEE0; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070226224954.02788780@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:51:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: RE: Why contemporary music sounds terrible In-Reply-To: References: <816950.18140.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1AC7D81 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:44:50 +0000 (UTC) At 08:58 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote: >Too bad that the remastered Zep CDs are too loud way too bright... What? I think my 10-cd box set sounds great!! Then again, I'm one of them youngsters who doesn't know the purity and warmpth that can only be had from vinyl. \ Although, I am using a 5w SET-design tube amp into some fairly efficient Klipsch bookshelf speakers. My friends, my age and younger, don't know what to make of those glowing lightbulb things. Chris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 2/25/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 03:46:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B71E3BEE1; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:46:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iFiXEooz30r8hjG3lNW0uhmU4ckV5+Y/7d4ecx+hrnVRnvyrEbNYWJxfagvN8CAknpB2C1HoNwUeTMgntd7IOIODG0UNzYfGZrI3PgNDI1G1MTzosdJ1ZlwRq8nBmlirR4dou5pd0j2x5DglHVt3+oJlWQz1Jqo+01ncKYP0orI= ; Message-ID: <20070227034650.74782.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: RTttU8sVM1nmVjXTCqQUPYK4E03DwubEYq9tLOwtybpefA3WjRcn1TNZml0o6TkQBd3Ubwf92Mz64w7n7lALcZXhBFGvCq_hoXranU0oMOyn9BHTtfFXeVnRykc_iK9zy9Oyu_4WEL39WA-- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:46:50 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: show me yours and i'll show you mine... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:46:51 +0000 (UTC) wow,nice! Luis --- dm wrote: > > > Here's my setup. Rather patchwork, but we get along > well together. > > http://www.fixedfocus.org/rig.html > > > > > dm > > www.fixedfocus.org > ============ > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 03:57:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3B253BEE1; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: NkzUcDwVM1mipi4M1aWfP_rqAIB.E_74S9bEaXq2fDzeJ21mWu6acZntpVvustiH0OkyDJWVNXw1LdZuYI4xcd0vn1Lc2SjQH.MxXGy08RmoI3vbmO50DT8YG7UVeTPOwe8AqwW5jG5QxNo- Message-ID: <002701c75a23$4cb257e0$4201a8c0@MichaelPlishka> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <20070226164807.51502.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6106.167.83.10.20.1172511500.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20070226214350.04336888@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:56:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:57:12 +0000 (UTC) I'm still looking, Chris! I know I had it on my old computer before it crashed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" To: Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:44 PM Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible > Wow, being a life-long Rush fan (the first grown-up band I got into when I > was 11), I'd love to read this! Anyubody have a link? > > Chris > > At 12:38 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote: > >>I know I'm joining late and this might have been mentioned somewhere else >>but there is an excellent article on the web that showed the evolution (or >>devolution) of music at the hand of compression and limiting. It followed >>the band RUSH through it's history and it was amazing to see the shape of >>the waveform go from a wonderful painting with shades of grey to a solid >>black stripe.... >> >>Here's to the spaces in the music.... >> >> >>Plish >> >> >>www.myspace.com/bohdanovich >>www.myspace.com/michaelplishka >>www.michaelplishka.com >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 2/25/2007 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 2/25/2007 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 04:05:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46CF23BED2; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 04:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: Help with my live rig Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:05:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C759E1.7D8E9B40" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <46fea78d0702261825j1d2c85b2pcde5f9f754f36dc@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdaFwSGjrCw1DA5RIuqOc4N+v9A0gADMfkA Message-Id: <200702262008500.SM03528@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Daeb802ca0000b762.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 04:05:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C759E1.7D8E9B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I'm certainly no expert, but I've also penciled around with this kind of thing. Sounds like you'll have to control at least a few things with your feet. Seems like a powerful midi foot controller and pedals (e.g. Voodoo Labs Ground Control Pro, etc) would allow you to change routings with buttons, and adjust levels with pedals. You may want to consider changing to FX processors that have sufficient midi capability if the ones you currently have do not. and/or, a midi controller like the Novation RemoteSL would allow you to use faders and knobs like a midi mixer. and I think you can then use the foot controller to route things to the RemoteSL, etc along with MidiSolutions midi merge or thru boxes, you can achieve a lot of controls, but you'll need a few sharp pencils :-) -Qua _____ From: David H [mailto:the.31st@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Help with my live rig Hey all, I have a conundrum I've been penciling around with for months trying to come up with a solution, but I can't quite find it on my own. When I play at home, I run everything through one mixer: two mics, guitar, two Lexicon JamMen, and at least one FX loop. When my hands are not playing guitar, they are on the channel aux sends. Its important for me to be able to adjust them myself in real-time, so I can be re-routing what goes where (Jams to FX, Mic to Jams, Guitar to FX, Mic out of FX, etc). But when I perform out live, I don't get to do this and many of my pieces are truncated. I send all signals directly to the house mixer and don't get any control myself. I could have my mixer on stage with me, and send stereo mains to the house, but I can't afford the hand-time to be EQing and riding fader levels to balance it out. I've prioritzed that to the foh engineer. I could tell him in the middle of a song, "Hey, turn aux 3 on channel four up to 12 o'clock!" but it is kindof a mood killer. So how do I get to control aux sends from onstage, and an engineer to control EQ and fader levels from front of house? Is it possible? To make things even more difficult, I've built my rig and reputation on not using computers (as in laptops) onstage, so I'd probably not use any of the software options (if there are any). Anybody else have this problem? Solutions? David ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C759E1.7D8E9B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
I'm certainly no expert, but I've also penciled = around with=20 this kind of thing.   Sounds like you'll have to control at = least a=20 few things with your feet.
Seems like a powerful midi foot controller and = pedals =20 (e.g. Voodoo Labs Ground Control Pro,  etc)  would allow you = to change=20 routings with buttons, and adjust levels with = pedals.
You may want to consider changing to FX = processors=20 that have sufficient midi capability if the ones you currently have do=20 not.
 
and/or,   a midi controller like the = Novation=20 RemoteSL would allow you to use faders and knobs like a midi = mixer.  =20 and I think you can then use the foot controller to route things to the=20 RemoteSL, etc
 
along with MidiSolutions midi merge or thru = boxes, =20 you can achieve a lot of controls,  but you'll need a few sharp = pencils=20 :-)
 
-Qua


From: David H = [mailto:the.31st@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:26 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Help with my live = rig

Hey all, I have a conundrum I've been penciling around with for = months=20 trying to come up with a solution, but I can't quite find it on my = own.
 
When I play at home, I run everything through one mixer: two mics, = guitar,=20 two Lexicon JamMen, and at least one FX loop. When my hands are not = playing=20 guitar, they are on the channel aux sends. Its important for me to = be able=20 to adjust them myself in real-time, so I can be re-routing what goes = where (Jams=20 to FX, Mic to Jams, Guitar to FX, Mic out of FX, etc).
But when I perform out live, I don't get to do this and many of my = pieces=20 are truncated. I send all signals directly to the house mixer and don't = get any=20 control myself. I could have my mixer on stage with me, and send = stereo=20 mains to the house, but I can't afford the hand-time to be EQing and = riding=20 fader levels to balance it out. I've prioritzed that to the foh = engineer. I=20 could tell him in the middle of a song, "Hey, turn aux 3 on channel four = up to=20 12 o'clock!" but it is kindof a mood killer.
 
So how do I get to control aux sends from onstage, and an engineer = to=20 control EQ and fader levels from front of house? Is it possible? To make = things=20 even more difficult, I've built my rig and reputation on not using = computers (as=20 in laptops) onstage, so I'd probably not use any of the software options = (if=20 there are any).
Anybody else have this problem? Solutions?
 
David
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C759E1.7D8E9B40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 04:09:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF6713BECC; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 04:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:10:02 -0800 Message-ID: <000301c75a25$279feab0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <002701c75a23$4cb257e0$4201a8c0@MichaelPlishka> Thread-Index: AcdaI1zD5mG3LkUQRj2n4XBdHVQr9AAARqfQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 04:09:37 +0000 (UTC) I've read that article as well, but I just did a search for it and apparently the link is gone. The big offender if I recall was the Rush CD 'Vapor Trails' which is apparently universally slammed for it's distorted 'brick wall' limiting. I remember it was quite an issue when the CD came out. I did find this article with some waveform graphs though; pretty interesting: http://www.mindspring.com/~mrichter/dynamics/dynamics.htm I apologize if someone has already posted this one; I haven't read the whole thread. You can find other related articles if you google 'brick wall limiting' ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: Michael Plishka [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible I'm still looking, Chris! I know I had it on my old computer before it crashed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" To: Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:44 PM Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible > Wow, being a life-long Rush fan (the first grown-up band I got into when I > was 11), I'd love to read this! Anyubody have a link? > > Chris > > At 12:38 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote: > >>I know I'm joining late and this might have been mentioned somewhere else >>but there is an excellent article on the web that showed the evolution (or >>devolution) of music at the hand of compression and limiting. It followed >>the band RUSH through it's history and it was amazing to see the shape of >>the waveform go from a wonderful painting with shades of grey to a solid >>black stripe.... >> >>Here's to the spaces in the music.... >> >> >>Plish >> >> >>www.myspace.com/bohdanovich >>www.myspace.com/michaelplishka >>www.michaelplishka.com >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 2/25/2007 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 2/25/2007 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 04:23:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DB103BEDC; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 04:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: 7HjCrzIVM1mkaSh1TObWiAknMXG3h54ZpcU9_ofZv4KYYIX7NCocUVSiddoIpKGHapy2vOtWKXXVBhT34CiukkUI3Q0W7aVdBGqCVJrkA0lqvbH5M_4qUpAzfWuKHw6Rafh1PyQLqZtH.ceVoMz5XgsBjJ_wF0yM0A-- Message-ID: <003f01c75a26$fc16d3c0$4201a8c0@MichaelPlishka> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <000301c75a25$279feab0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:23:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 04:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Vapor Trails was the coup de grace but if I recall there was a trend leading up to it... great link below! mp ----- Original Message ----- From: "greg williams" To: Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:10 PM Subject: RE: Why contemporary music sounds terrible > I've read that article as well, but I just did a search for it and > apparently the link is gone. The big offender if I recall was the Rush CD > 'Vapor Trails' which is apparently universally slammed for it's distorted > 'brick wall' limiting. I remember it was quite an issue when the CD came > out. > > I did find this article with some waveform graphs though; pretty > interesting: > http://www.mindspring.com/~mrichter/dynamics/dynamics.htm > > I apologize if someone has already posted this one; I haven't read the > whole > thread. You can find other related articles if you google 'brick wall > limiting' > > ~Greg > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Plishka [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com] > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible > > I'm still looking, Chris! I know I had it on my old computer before it > crashed! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Smart" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:44 PM > Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible > > >> Wow, being a life-long Rush fan (the first grown-up band I got into when >> I > >> was 11), I'd love to read this! Anyubody have a link? >> >> Chris >> >> At 12:38 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote: >> >>>I know I'm joining late and this might have been mentioned somewhere else >>>but there is an excellent article on the web that showed the evolution >>>(or >>>devolution) of music at the hand of compression and limiting. It followed >>>the band RUSH through it's history and it was amazing to see the shape of >>>the waveform go from a wonderful painting with shades of grey to a solid >>>black stripe.... >>> >>>Here's to the spaces in the music.... >>> >>> >>>Plish >>> >>> >>>www.myspace.com/bohdanovich >>>www.myspace.com/michaelplishka >>>www.michaelplishka.com >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 2/25/2007 >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 2/25/2007 >> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 04:34:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71D2E3BEDC; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 04:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070226233910.0276db90@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:40:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Smart Subject: RE: Why contemporary music sounds terrible In-Reply-To: <000301c75a25$279feab0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> References: <002701c75a23$4cb257e0$4201a8c0@MichaelPlishka> <000301c75a25$279feab0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5C6149D7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 04:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Interesting comment on Vapour Trails. I found it over-produced too, loads of syrupy background vocal tracks, etc. One Little Victory is still a great positive song to get your blood pumping though! Try comparing Vapour Trails to Test for Echo or Counterparts ... I think those two have much more clarity and extension in the highs. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 2/25/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 04:41:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A156F3BEDE; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 04:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <001b01c759de$42fa9a40$76f8bb43@gwdesk> References: <001b01c759de$42fa9a40$76f8bb43@gwdesk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:41:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 04:41:55 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:42 AM, greg williams wrote: > Zeppelin DVD, which was released around the same time. I don't know > if it > was Page himself who suddenly caved in or his mastering engineer, > but I > really wish I could hear those recordings with some dynamics still > intact. I can't speak for Page or his mastering engineer, but I do some mastering occasionally and unfortunately the artist often equates "sounding pro" with "sounding loud". I know that quite a few mastering engineers on recording forums I frequent also complain about "the loud wars" and often time it's the label that wants things loud. Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 04:43:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 265E53BEDE; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 04:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:44:22 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c75a29$f37af8b0$76f8bb43@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070226233910.0276db90@sympatico.ca> Thread-Index: AcdaKIFtNn9yDQGfSCGTYP32w9PXRAAAPbhg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <8W8l9B.A.eK.Mc74FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 04:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi Chris, I wasn't commenting on anything about the production or arrangements other than the over use of limiting in the mastering stage. I personally prefer Rush's earlier stuff, up to Signals. Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, and especially Moving Pictures are my faves. I think I'll pull some out right now and listen to them... ~GW -----Original Message----- From: Chris Smart [mailto:chris_s@sympatico.ca] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Interesting comment on Vapour Trails. I found it over-produced too, loads of syrupy background vocal tracks, etc. One Little Victory is still a great positive song to get your blood pumping though! Try comparing Vapour Trails to Test for Echo or Counterparts ... I think those two have much more clarity and extension in the highs. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 2/25/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 04:47:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D97E33BEE1; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 04:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cNSs+xvoAbuUKRuI68klGZJ2Q1y8U3zm2Si51MsXw9ePbsq+kwQv2dJHU6gyVCLGKyg9VtuuFCeEIdCmFt025QYjjKKNPc8SdQn/tnJ/GJWi0L5DRa45LbNSWMzsmXbwzEhi1t0I8hWQh6UWWBXT8NHQaZ1HxbfMtkxsZULUtho= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IA3VOFRAvFr+GdKKNz69KHII4Zrm+VL7OI2h66N9f/lWNigkGAUSsC94VjZgUpq3q5vLXHd/YYBeY8t9AXQv46/lRQ46gvgK8Vufm15apK39VIBcl8WbK+/OoWlQMT4zPbzKQOer0IqykkNPlz5GVkubbVf8bLyci1GitcjbnJ0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:47:00 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help with my live rig In-Reply-To: <46fea78d0702261825j1d2c85b2pcde5f9f754f36dc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46fea78d0702261825j1d2c85b2pcde5f9f754f36dc@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 04:47:03 +0000 (UTC) On 2/26/07, David H wrote: > So how do I get to control aux sends from onstage, and an engineer to > control EQ and fader levels from front of house? Is it possible? One of the reasons I purchased my Roland VM-7200 mixer rig was that you can connect two control surfaces - I have a twelve channel control unit on stage with me and I put the 24 channel controller at FOH. (When I'm lucky enough to have someone at FOH...) Either one of us can control anything from either place. You can use two processors chained together for a total of 40 analog inputs and you can install a total of four effects units in each processor for that nice Roland reverb, delay, etc. Add to that the idea that each processor has three R-Bus connectors which you can convert to ADAT and you've got a killer live setup... I use one ADAT connection to a KSP-8 and another ADAT connection to an H8000. (Yep, gearhead...) > To make things even more difficult, I've built my rig and reputation > on not using computers (as in laptops) onstage Me too, so far. I'm pretty much of a hardware guy when it comes to live performances. At home in the studio though it's a different story... :-) Doug http://www.softsampling.com http://www.analognotes.com http://www.stoogepanels.com and soon: http://www.vsigx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 06:56:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E5DA3BED3; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 06:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E3D62E.3020701@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:56:46 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 06:56:50 +0000 (UTC) margaret noble wrote: > does it bother you to hear things that are not in key > according to western standards? if so, why? Its more the other way around, but it's only bothering if there is no consciousness about scales, which does make a big difference in sound... I'd just not care if something, which is important for me, is bothering somebody else. I'd only care if its not important for me. Artists sometimes have to bother, but consciously... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 07:21:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D0093BED8; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=YppvYgcVScqssowVlV1dfyisTlLPy1ZMQkWnIQE2QxBLXAEOoRFjp92ULzLad3F4+s59/HF9j0hX9hZ5pOOseH0nvwsKgS86Lu/8OZa2eGn2KbHB4tTOVvKAQSW6bsspwCahYnAMWXR6T5n+WY9dMYQ6Y0fdi3N5B+kaBmd6AZE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tUwJU08+3AbkfOXQSoh4/X7C5J5ubWhvuF8inAlu0cFgN6gkvSBPC1UNyCNFOgX/CJnl4FsuybFK22+wI0YDoPxLqeULDm5NG02yuXyEyoyZ5ZABhTKkIqWJZ5RdiQ6ZN3Fhh4TVmTuvyOzvHO5wb1/OByOiGR+LgMWDIgohe2g= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200702261556109.SM03396@quahome> References: <200702261556109.SM03396@quahome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <24BC42C3-5055-4183-A9E9-3A0551AEE916@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Anyone using NI Guitar Rig 2? Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:21:49 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:21:55 +0000 (UTC) On 27 feb 2007, at 00.53, Qua Veda wrote: > Zipper noise.... Perhaps we'll have to make it an > effect ! ;-) aka > make 'bugs' into 'features' LOL! Your absolutely right! On my TC Firewor'w the zipper noise is not too ugly, although it still is there in some patches when I move the MIDI expression pedal, and I actually do "play" with it. Or should I rather say, I take musical precautions to make it fit in. I.e. trying to adjust pedal volume level by rhythmical sweeps or when not overdubbing into a loop. I should be able to play a "soft shaker beat" with my volume pedal ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 07:32:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 620B73BECF; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KxfvF5wZktxgpsJF1jl2DZgFPtWzWqa05fTkwv69JXlH8LRuPXNZamKN35M16icJgiLe3AKi0i1b/Ys+wM41vhNVpD3HpVdUkYfDIoRy21QdMyA/7rZaHfYxVIyAm772bucLlAVD5pcuzbBen7p4oB6zgprx+lU6ZII12pCW4MY= ; Message-ID: <20070227073257.18673.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WRNI6n8VM1meOW5ptxcE1CsdndwspUdKbs80ZZjv4qJ3VrnltiPDWydWk731nFY5qqXLfFxMGQktAlq04Kdvkivm0Je1uK974M8h.gAtGB30a16jxg9svTAOWQuT2UG4PuPd0yiTwWGUZsw- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:32:57 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: RE: Why contemporary music sounds terrible To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <99gTgB.A.I_F.q694FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:32:59 +0000 (UTC) You know, I kinda wonder if the reason they mastered these new sets is because of digital, after all, those early Zep albums were done in analog, which brings back the onverly exhasted debate about digial and analog. Aside from that, I once read an article about Van Halen releasing a Best Of compilation, and some of the new material was mastered with no compression. His reason for doing it...He wanted to see what it would sound like and the radio stations compress the hell out of them again to make for consistent volumes from song to song, so by leaving it uncompressed, the song would sound rather dynamic throught the radio station's compressors...clever. --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > > Too bad that the remastered Zep CDs are too loud way > too bright... > > > >Absolutely Brian!those Zeppelin record production > >still amaze me,and they are made to be turned > up!those > >drum sounds still sound fresh and the sounds page > got > >out of those small amps and guitars are the most > >interesting ive heard in rock n roll history.What > ive > >always found brilliant about such a band was the > >passion behind it,there are mistakes all over the > >place like the solo on "baby i am gonna leave you" > the > >instrumental "black mountain side" or the bleeding > >echo at the end of "you shook me" or the cut off > lost > >part by their engineer which i believe page fired > on > >the spot which they had to solve by pasting another > >part at the begining of "celebration day"... > >but is the honesty power and passion,no frills or > >thrills they played back in those days that make > them > >so special to this day,almost as if it was the last > >time they were going to live... > >Luis > > > > > > > > > >--- greg williams > wrote: > > > >> Brian, > >> > >> I am also a fan of Page and his production in > >> general in terms of dynamics, > >> but have you heard "How the West was Won"? It > was > >> hugely disappointing for > >> me in this regard; it is squashed beyond belief, > and > >> so is the sound on the > >> Zeppelin DVD, which was released around the same > >> time. I don't know if it > >> was Page himself who suddenly caved in or his > >> mastering engineer, but I > >> really wish I could hear those recordings with > some > >> dynamics still intact. > >> > >> ~Greg > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Brian Kupferschmid > >> [mailto:apparitionapparition@yahoo.com] > >> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:48 AM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds > terrible > >> > >> I wholly agree with this, I believe a lot of > today's > >> music is crap, not just because the talent is > >> lacking, > >> but the dynamics as a whole is lacking. Aside > from > >> super compressed material, the bands themselves > only > >> see to know two sounds, clean and dirty. > Where's > >> the > >> middle ground? I can listen to a blues song and > >> still > >> hear the dynamics, I can hear the accentuations > on > >> the > >> notes being played to create emotion. A lot of > >> today's pop and rock music lacks that. Mind > you, > >> Metal in all it's forms, isn't supposed to be > >> dynamic > >> in the musical sense, but why would you squeeze > the > >> life out of any song to make it in your face? > My > >> favorite stuff to listen to would be anything > Jimmy > >> Page produced(Led Zeppelin for sure). He > composed > >> his > >> songs and used the studio to enhance his > material > >> with > >> what he refers to "light and shade". The > >> combination > >> of close and room micing, soft versus loud and > >> layering acoustics with clean electrics and so > on. > >> If > >> you think about it, even some of the heaviest > >> sounding > >> stuff he did, wasn't all that distorted. > >> Ultimately, > >> his use of dynamics traslated over into the > >> mastering > >> part as well, what makes the big parts sound big > is > >> the small parts, thus making the song truly > >> engulfing. > >> Another band to use dynamics to it's fullest is > >> Tool, > >> because of the ebb and flow, you can listen to > an 8 > >> minute tune and not get bored, because the > shifts in > >> phrasing and dynamics keeps you there, and > what's > >> more, everytime you listen to it, a new part > pops up > >> you didn't realise was there before. Anyway, > I've > >> spoken what I think, so I have to agree, part of > > > what > >> is annoying about today's music is the lack of > >> dynamics, it wears you out. > >> --- Krispen Hartung > wrote: > >> > >> > This is an interesting article posted on the > jazz > >> > guitar discussion group. > >> > Jeff Kaiser and I had some interesting > discussions > >> > about the abuses or > >> > misgivings of compression and the quest for > hotter > >> > levels in newer CDs when > >> > I was mastering the discs for the Boise > >> Experimental > >> > Music Festival....all > >> > the different ways you can increase levels > (for > >> CDs > >> > to sound comparable to > > > > other professional CDs in your player), yet > >> > maintain natural dynamics, etc. > >> > Now, it has occured to me that often times > when I > >> > hear a CD, especially > >> > pop/rock CDs, and I think to myself, wow that > is a > >> > really hot and "in your > >> > face" level", the mix also doesn't have much > of a > >> > dynamic range...some guy > >> > is screaming his lyrics, or you can tell that > is > >> is > >> > practically blowing his > >> > brains out to get that tone out of his > horn...but > >> it > >> > is no louder than the > >> > section where he is wispering poetry over an > >> ambient > >> > section. It's like > >> > compress, compress, compress, limit, limit, > >> > limit....turn that wave form > >> > into a solid bar, and then raise it to > 0db...in > >> your > >> > face, 100% of the time. > >> > Below is the first time I've seen this > referred to > >> > as exhausting, but it > >> > makes sense. Even if you turn your stereo > down, > >> > there might be something to > >> > be said of giving the human pyche a break with > >> > natural dynamics and more > >> > space. > >> > > >> > >Tension....release....tension...release....louder....softer, > >> > etc, > >> > etc. > >> > > >> > This article/topic, could I suppose turn into > the > >> > discussion of the > >> > pschological results/benefits of adding more > space > >> > to one's compositions > >> > (not making the composition "better" or > "worse," > >> > mind you). Can adding more > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 07:51:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17EC23BED2; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:51:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <4102.69.59.206.219.1172528262.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702161348j7cee61e6ga509b9134de58dea@mail.gmail.com> <45DC20E2.8060509@addcom.de> <4102.69.59.206.219.1172528262.squirrel@webmail.peak.or Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:51:19 +0000 (UTC) g> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > So, is there any designer today that will make automatically buy a disc, > or at least take a second look? I'm (thankfully) of an age where a Roger Dean or Hipgnosis cover would make me run a mile. The only memorable and recognisable cover designers I can think of are those that sprang from the loins of punk in the 70s/80s, e.g. Barney Bubbles (Hawkwind 'In search of space', Elvis Costello 'Armed forces'), Jamie Ried (Sex Pistols), Malcolm Garrett (Buzzcocks), Vaughan Oliver (Anything on 4AD, especially Cocteau Twins) and Peter Saville (Anything on Factory, epecially Joy Division/New Order). I suppose there's less opportunity to do anything memorable on the small space of a CD cover. Any individuality gets automatically sterilised by that horrible contraption known as The Jewel Box. Nowadays everyone just downloads their music so covers are pretty much irrelevant ... ! Ian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 08:20:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C48D33BED3; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:20:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAPd440XUSnInsmdsb2JhbACPGgEBAQECAQQODB6VdgEBAYFg Message-ID: <45E3E9E1.2080008@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:20:49 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help with my live rig References: <46fea78d0702261825j1d2c85b2pcde5f9f754f36dc@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <46fea78d0702261825j1d2c85b2pcde5f9f754f36dc@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2PWDq.A.kjH.cn-4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:20:44 +0000 (UTC) David H wrote: > Hey all, I have a conundrum I've been penciling around with for months > trying to come up with a solution, but I can't quite find it on my own. > I could have my mixer on stage with me, > and send stereo mains to the house, but I can't afford the hand-time to > be EQing and riding fader levels to balance it out. Most loopers create their own mix by simply playing at the right level. It's certainly much more reliable than hoping to get an foh engineer to do it the way you like. ( In Norwich the "top guy" is known as Deaf Jeff ). Otherwise, you need a mixer with direct out for each input that you are using. The direct outs go to foh. Then you can still control the sends, but the foh gets to mix. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 08:29:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 583E93BED2; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=V7UkpmR48qY2vbIKdssgQRL0RByz0PMwl8qA+OURImLuvssC3utK6KhhpAua3gUN3P0C88LEyN3mOmHDejvnvWP4MZ+Vmiqz+/dBg7KrNNW4k1PZCv7xcx6PtluC1FtrsBl2qStBQQAZIUZjH+TRhHcXlFB7x1iK8ZRxG291dJI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JTf2q4+of+MLjyOQUMzz/nIXJ3Amjwwk7sAa4FVD8IQV8EBHwY8Zgk6P1gcllKJrQG9duKoWmPOiKatKBigq1I5avQR+X4niAdIhHEHDec0+AsGKJwXfO6I4mVIy05eu4+n1Lt2d/hXF8rxSO8vxyUgG0x70SJeRk/h0CwNzREU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070214204452.29358.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702161348j7cee61e6ga509b9134de58dea@mail.gmail.com> <45DC20E2.8060509@addcom.de> <4102.69.59.206.219.1172528262.squirrel@webmail.peak.or Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <41C0F247-4136-45FF-B084-52734D4C6440@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Cover artwork in digital music (was OT: The Police on Tour) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:29:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:29:22 +0000 (UTC) On 27 feb 2007, at 08.51, Ian Petersen wrote: > Nowadays everyone just downloads their music so covers are pretty much > irrelevant ... ! I see a trend going the opposite direction, and I welcome it with all my heart. Some examples: In a recent upgrade iTunes launched a new function that lets you browse your digital music file library by record covers. It also gives you the option of having lost cover pictures automatically downloaded in the background. If you submit music for digital release by an "online label" I have noticed that the players I think are cool and inspiring tend to ask you to submit artwork in a higher resolution. This means the picture will look good even on a huge screen when the song plays back over a computer. Also, with digital releases you may place one picture per song in the package. That may be a dozen pictures instead of simply one, or two if you have a second one for the backside. If you make a podcast release it is now, since a year back, possible to include pictures just as if producing a slide show. You may have pictures morph in or out at certain parts of the music. I would agree that covers are becoming irrelevant as for the practical function of containing a product. But this only makes the artwork more relevant as art. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 09:36:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DD703BED3; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E3FB79.2060905@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:35:53 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45DC96FE.7070702@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <45DC96FE.7070702@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:36:00 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: > Some things do bother me though, I hate it when jazz bass players play > out of tune (which is most of the time) :-) Bass players often don't learn to bend the thick strings, and an ET freted bass is always low... I love fretless basses, its much easier to play in tune with them (and harder at the same time... ;-) ET is out of tune. The most important thing is playing in tune, tuning in -- which is feeling the good sounding tune... Out of tune is always bothering, and a westernly detuned cora is out of tune by definition... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 09:36:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 777FB3BED5; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E3FBA2.5050200@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:36:34 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <54009.167.83.10.20.1172082806.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20070221142512.0273eaf8@sympatico.ca> <45DC9DB4.2000701@infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <45DC9DB4.2000701@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Joshua Carroll wrote: > My boss actually thinks that keys have inherent moods, and would agree > that D minor is the saddest of all keys. I always thought it's a-minor... ;-) The emotion of keys is related to our culture. In the past there was a real difference, as there was no ET. Now we learn according what our teachers and Hollywood tells us. If every movie puts up d minor for the sad parts, thats our symbol for sadness, it doesn't mean that its inherent in the key. And for those who don't suffer from the perfect pitch desease, it could be as well a-minor... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 09:36:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23A0D3BEE2; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45E3FBAD.5060006@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:36:45 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you think is necessary in order to have an excellent composition? References: <311819.806.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45DC89DA.3040003@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <45DC89DA.3040003@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4X9F8B.A.g_B.xu_4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Daryl Shawn wrote: > If the structure makes its own sense, anything can work. I would say the sense makes it work. Any good composition needs to make sense, and thats it. The skill and art is, to transport this to an audience. It works, if the audience can recognize it... > I do find that the golden rectangle is a construct that pops up again > and again, particularly in pop songs. The climax, bridge, solo, > whatever is nearly always at that magical point. But it doesn't work if it doesn't make sense, and if there is sense, it might not need it. I could always find an example of music you like, which would not follow any concrete rules, some might think are essential. That music needs to make sense is not a rule which would give you tools to compose, but it will free your mind to explore new frontiers. The rules can deliver a frame, they are not the music, you put the music into a frame, but music can very well survive without it... There are so many statements like: Music needs a rythm, music needs a melody, music needs harmony, music needs a form - all with a connatation of concrete rules, mostly historic relevant rules. All this is bullshit... It might lead to beautiful music, but not because of following the rules, I'd say though it follows some rules... Of course you can, and should, incorporate your knowledge about rules into your compositions, but its just one of many elements which can lead the audience to the essence of your music. Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 09:38:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E9F43BED3; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rGPVV8sK0HvkPov9bLFMnQrz/Fp3sWc33CrQJmIJ5RTCrFz+eTNX7G5MajkKdy4hZl0GwW8DFCxHhNNC4pQR7xkeG1PQf3DJ4905wE2EoChp+2c8pZfCFxnkbAM9eSWnPiGrnrVxqgY+F8FyeYatDq34ImyX4BRKY+Z8zFq25W0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=np0yPBcU1djiA6Zy023AJEnGEHAa/A0l9lOcTm1CwjbZLGCdBetuZ6veZ6JDLkJ/bKIUXCl9cYx3dm18lRJJ0NvFUH2hTUPRllvJR07Rvrg9AmrhcXxATxPnJ8h/azZbVPKWB3/4X21Ot/t2JnIdyVesjqCqPwTmixqdgCGil4c= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: atmosphere...all go insane Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:38:29 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_ZBxmD.A.BIC.aw_4FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:38:35 +0000 (UTC) On 27 feb 2007, at 00.26, samba - wrote: > I think part of what's happening is ,the world is so noisy,and > getting noisier all the time,that people tend to screen out much > or most of the audio (and other bandwidths for that matter) in > their perceptual fields,most of the time. A number times I've seen > emergency vehicles w/ sirens blaring ,stuck in traffic,being > ignored .And not just in cities. > So advertising ,and I consider pop music advertising, gets louder > more in your face harder to ignore. another thing that happens ,I > think people still need audio stimulation to counterbalance all > the stimulus screening of daliy life,so they tend to take it in > concentrated doses in forms that are identified as hedonistic.. > Marshall McLuhan said that each generation grow's up in an > environment formed,and informed by newer technologies than their > parents grew uo with.SO the frequencies and dynamics are > different,experientially it's a different world.Each generations's > music/dance /fashion is a tool for it to learn how to move in this > new world ,o learn it's rhythms and dynamics. People screening out people, crippling our own sensibility. That's a depressing scenario. It's not only the sounding atmosphere that is becoming overcrowded, similar enhancement/degradation happens to "time". Modern life is short of free time so someone invented the phrase "quality time" that can be used to motivate the screening out of activities labeled "of less quality". The bad effect this has on people is that they loose their natural ability for mental and emotional reflection, which in a longer perspective also may reduce the ability to feel compassion. A dangerous path. We're all part of this noise. Since there are no silent spots left, we need to develop a good sense of what to filter out, just to heal ourselves and stop the destructive dehumanizing trend. A bit of a paradox. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 09:43:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2FF53BEDF; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=LOm6koxJQw73RddC2/uI16Vecsqy539UxehTFMOj+Ut1RhyoGlhA6NDnrHzHZgphN65xXsWoSoladkLO0gvN4Lt2TZ0MTcsMpIWIC/sT4A962OrZfnEwVwybbKc413qiNi6i4zPsN6TymGpaVd9LJJEiQ+OhmI4MGyXQGAGlop4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=nHZ3U8Ve5P7xAHoduhLDX6FDQmiOJn601bR9lmCNhFfXbOCPk3NneMo1PjcT8h8Mmmv0ZrG64JurlmaOv7FoYJD/AXXHsz1QZQYesegqP2vhdHr1PsdwtJIxwz+1qsDBfN5xQo4kCQZkL31oZ0NXkpfUrf1UXAUepS1xK53hFtE= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:43:23 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mac titanium G4 looping? Cc: "Paul Mimlitsch" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: f3ddca85dd794d02 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:43:25 +0000 (UTC) I used a G4 667MHz Powerbook for years. Just max it out with RAM (at least 1GB) and get a decent (probably firewire) audio interface. (I have a Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 which is superb.) I used this with Ableton Live and Augustus Loop. cheers, os. > Just got a used Mac Titanium Powerbook G4 and was considering tricking > it out for live looping/ processing. Any list members out there using > this model computer for software based live looping /processing and if > so what hardware upgrades did you do to optimize it for this purpose? > Thanks. - Paul > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 09:57:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 990023BEE4; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BQKBGgfNVfCCkFk+b8918SrMxE2JzBsrWc4THPLn3V/tIUAMM88Wb5Yf4UCJOpK/2H1bNC96Q4Vc4tBpDg2vymvi+GZ/BXyTd5gVzzUXuM70/DZfMEcS75j1+xcDmVannIFUlXSv1qJPMJkWGnVlrpsE3Dody23/0vQPFSmfP0Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Awj4EudFs49Qdh2z4JUxxv8P8Nw2ocf9zrCP/2nTqxefYdBiqMjUc22CO0qdJdJgkXy/slWnEoNulPyUG6DZo0ViiMULDm9rA+J5qtWSAT1+RLFfc4JGra2v5DVyzypXkmOq7T1GoiljjNUDOJ92kvRok9ewVY2D1koCap8AD3c= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45E3FB79.2060905@addcom.de> References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45DC96FE.7070702@tiscali.co.uk> <45E3FB79.2060905@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: how much do you care about your music being in strict equal temperment keys? Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:57:22 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8Vl36C.A.fED.ICA5FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:57:28 +0000 (UTC) > andy butler wrote: >> Some things do bother me though, I hate it when jazz bass players >> play out of tune (which is most of the time) :-) On 27 feb 2007, at 10.35, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Bass players often don't learn to bend the thick strings, and an ET > freted bass is always low... I used a looped contra bass lick once on a computer DAW and thought it sounded "strange" but not bad. When analyzing it closely I noticed that one note where a quarter note down. Jeeez... had I played that "off" on a guitar it would have ruined the music totally. > I love fretless basses, its much easier to play in tune with them > (and harder at the same time... ;-) I like that statement! This one too: > It might lead to beautiful music, but not because of following the > rules, I'd say though it follows some rules... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 12:12:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9614A3BEDC; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017d01c75a68$9734ff80$2601a8c0@SALON> From: "Ingo Ito" To: Subject: Re: Help with my live rig Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:12:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0178_01C75A70.EFC376B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:12:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0178_01C75A70.EFC376B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi David, maybe you should have a look at the Akai MB76 Mixing Patch Bay and Akai = PEQ6 6Channel programmable equalizer. I have used both of them for many = years and though their sound quality might not be "high end" they=B4re = more than sufficient for the regular life concerts. They are 19" 1Height = Units and are for line use. You could patch your ux sends to them and = from there onwards to the house mixer. The downside is, you would need a = Midi footcontroller to change presets (each of the Akais having 32) and = I think you can=B4t have a continous control, because the volume and EQ = settings are set in steps) - BUT you will be able to change volume + = routing and EQ settings for 6 Channels simultaneously with one command. = You sometimes can find them on e-bay for about 40-50 US $ and they are = very reliable (I never had any problems with them in 15 years). Unfortunately I haven=B4t quickly found a good website about those = machines but maybe a thorough search would bring more results. Anyway = here are 2 links to Harmony Central reviews: http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Effects/product/Akai/PEQ-6/10/= 1 http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Effects/product/Akai/MB76+Mix+= Bay/10/1 Cheers Ingo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David H=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:25 AM Subject: Help with my live rig Hey all, I have a conundrum I've been penciling around with for months = trying to come up with a solution, but I can't quite find it on my own. When I play at home, I run everything through one mixer: two mics, = guitar, two Lexicon JamMen, and at least one FX loop. When my hands are = not playing guitar, they are on the channel aux sends. Its important for = me to be able to adjust them myself in real-time, so I can be re-routing = what goes where (Jams to FX, Mic to Jams, Guitar to FX, Mic out of FX, = etc).=20 But when I perform out live, I don't get to do this and many of my = pieces are truncated. I send all signals directly to the house mixer and = don't get any control myself. I could have my mixer on stage with me, = and send stereo mains to the house, but I can't afford the hand-time to = be EQing and riding fader levels to balance it out. I've prioritzed that = to the foh engineer. I could tell him in the middle of a song, "Hey, = turn aux 3 on channel four up to 12 o'clock!" but it is kindof a mood = killer.=20 So how do I get to control aux sends from onstage, and an engineer to = control EQ and fader levels from front of house? Is it possible? To make = things even more difficult, I've built my rig and reputation on not = using computers (as in laptops) onstage, so I'd probably not use any of = the software options (if there are any).=20 Anybody else have this problem? Solutions? David ------=_NextPart_000_0178_01C75A70.EFC376B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi David,
 
maybe you should have a look at the = Akai MB76=20 Mixing Patch Bay and Akai PEQ6 6Channel programmable equalizer. I have = used both=20 of them for many years and though their sound quality might not be "high = end"=20 they=B4re more than sufficient for the regular life concerts. They are = 19" 1Height=20 Units and are for line use. You could patch your ux sends to them and = from there=20 onwards to the house mixer. The = downside=20 is, you would need a Midi footcontroller to change presets (each of = the=20 Akais having 32) and I think you can=B4t have a continous control, = because=20 the volume and EQ settings are set in steps) - BUT you will be able to = change=20 volume + routing and EQ settings for 6 Channels simultaneously with = one=20 command. You sometimes can find them on e-bay  for about = 40-50 US=20 $ and they are very reliable (I never had any problems with them in 15=20 years).
Unfortunately I haven=B4t quickly found = a good=20 website about those machines but maybe a thorough search would bring = more=20 results. Anyway here are 2 links to Harmony Central = reviews:
http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Effects/product/Aka= i/PEQ-6/10/1
http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Effects/prod= uct/Akai/MB76+Mix+Bay/10/1
 
Cheers
Ingo
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: David = H
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:25 AM
Subject: Help with my live rig

Hey all, I have a conundrum I've been penciling around with for = months=20 trying to come up with a solution, but I can't quite find it on my = own.
 
When I play at home, I run everything through one mixer: two mics, = guitar,=20 two Lexicon JamMen, and at least one FX loop. When my hands are not = playing=20 guitar, they are on the channel aux sends. Its important for me to = be able=20 to adjust them myself in real-time, so I can be re-routing what goes = where (Jams=20 to FX, Mic to Jams, Guitar to FX, Mic out of FX, etc).
But when I perform out live, I don't get to do this and many of my = pieces=20 are truncated. I send all signals directly to the house mixer and don't = get any=20 control myself. I could have my mixer on stage with me, and send = stereo=20 mains to the house, but I can't afford the hand-time to be EQing and = riding=20 fader levels to balance it out. I've prioritzed that to the foh = engineer. I=20 could tell him in the middle of a song, "Hey, turn aux 3 on channel four = up to=20 12 o'clock!" but it is kindof a mood killer.
 
So how do I get to control aux sends from onstage, and an engineer = to=20 control EQ and fader levels from front of house? Is it possible? To make = things=20 even more difficult, I've built my rig and reputation on not using = computers (as=20 in laptops) onstage, so I'd probably not use any of the software options = (if=20 there are any).
Anybody else have this problem? Solutions?
 
David
------=_NextPart_000_0178_01C75A70.EFC376B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 13:09:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E8313BEDB; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bsChDiJfVd25K67N14MNyozwJuvw30oSXmnnu+snZyNsXXW+BBi9I0yAQBAzsZhK2ZHlaEcrJbX04OKQoqXphQz2xrc1vhbjL8e8Y6RIczXEo/OXwZNUbVt3qO+P29HR83xhwLvc82pfqfNhNY6pSUWGWWJYv3nbiwb4AXdDX9U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qSthxe5/aLEM6b5lDLv/Gs5lRrjuldMqlVySHfkMimU9thaXEvAOwsgVENpyeBP9pA2Plqpxvr90MF3V5DLe825ZJenEhEmrUHFI1nli0ZSVKuLcnxBver8cSXpxroCq48e5nF3g+PPsyHJaFCoWWpaKGx622LlTTivLDPLGD60= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45E3FB79.2060905@addcom.de> References: <20070221165352.13106.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45DC96FE.7070702@tiscali.co.uk> <45E3FB79.2060905@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Zipper Noise, an example Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:09:39 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Following the "Zipper Noise" discussions (and other looping related topics) I recorded this short clip this morning: http://www.looproom.com/audio/Screening.mp3 You hear the zipper noise (of the TC Electronix FireworX) when I use the MIDI expression pedal to adjust the volume, something you do a lot when playing guitar (but never with wind instruments). It's a little annoying but not that bad that I wouldn't use the volume pedal at concert. Strange thing is that when I use a MIDI expression pedal to adjust the beat sync tempo division for the LFO bound filter (on the reverb return) there is no such noise. This short song also demonstrates some things I think are cool with Mobius. Like for example the Shuffle function (cuts up the loop in segments, re-orders or reverses the segments). Here the Shuffle is very "stuttery" because the loop was first created with "8ths Per Cycle = 12" (yes, it's a waltz) but before kicking the Shuffle button I changed that to "8ths Per Cycle = 48" to have the loop cut up in shorter segments. Also, two "Time Warp" scripts are used at the end (goes into Overdub and then jumps between different settings of Rate Shift). And finally, the infinite Undo is used to step back from that chaotic part I rambled into just before the end. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 14:02:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B85A3BEDB; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAOnI40XUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACPGgEBAQEHDgweli8BAQGBYA Message-ID: <45E4381D.9070405@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:54:37 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mac titanium G4 looping? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Os wrote: > I used a G4 667MHz Powerbook for years. Just max it out with RAM (at > least 1GB) and get a decent (probably firewire) audio interface. (I > have a Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 which is superb.) > I thought there were issues with high latency for any hardware relying on the Core Audio firewire drivers. At least, this was the case a month or 2 ago, maybe it's fixed now. Of course, if latency isn't an issue. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 14:42:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DD8D3BEDE; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GfPnQ5GOcaC5GLLcdPByIRrOrRaziaLggeRYEJ2p2OqJw2QgKUtcXE1A4z7IfAM9feJctfCwBilklQ1SgIhRmbkdSa/UJYEAl7Dk4L4LZo3dL1Zj+YSttfZt1IlRorMDS5FtuYw9jTmX/8/o0k2oyk/h62T4cVQUgGRp7OvdhVU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LsteilpHeOTh9hB1V7QjCLsH/EjXgmsuQhcvjzGqjfKrJ1ONMP2ofTnktits1opjvccDS9SUxnpG+wW+4j/hL8SJ8uDNc3Z731hH/ZIZgCeiSQ9HP3pv7KRIaAAHC7USAwLMh1/hRAnjT33c2EjV3XtAbQzINDiEhQlzuP3Fw+c= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:42:12 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Police on Tour In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13375_9819997.1172587332579" References: <26ba8d120702141419obc19b1fr188cbfe281a68c3a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702151122s6fd56538x7625864fb7fffab2@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120702161348j7cee61e6ga509b9134de58dea@mail.gmail.com> <45DC20E2.8060509@addcom.de> <4102.69.59.206.219.1172528262.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:42:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_13375_9819997.1172587332579 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The CD cases that come with Tool cds are pretty cool. The last one had a stereoscopic viewer built in. Tony On 2/27/07, Ian Petersen wrote: > > g> > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > So, is there any designer today that will make automatically buy a disc, > > or at least take a second look? > > I'm (thankfully) of an age where a Roger Dean or Hipgnosis cover would > make > me run a mile. > > The only memorable and recognisable cover designers I can think of are > those that sprang from the loins of punk in the 70s/80s, e.g. Barney > Bubbles (Hawkwind 'In search of space', Elvis Costello 'Armed forces'), > Jamie Ried (Sex Pistols), Malcolm Garrett (Buzzcocks), Vaughan Oliver > (Anything on 4AD, especially Cocteau Twins) and Peter Saville (Anything on > Factory, epecially Joy Division/New Order). > > I suppose there's less opportunity to do anything memorable on the small > space of a CD cover. Any individuality gets automatically sterilised by > that horrible contraption known as The Jewel Box. > > Nowadays everyone just downloads their music so covers are pretty much > irrelevant ... ! > > Ian > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ ------=_Part_13375_9819997.1172587332579 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The CD cases that come with Tool cds are pretty cool.  The last one had a stereoscopic viewer built in.

Tony

On 2/27/07, Ian Petersen < iep@mail.dk> wrote:
g>
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

> So, is there any designer today that will make automatically buy a disc,
> or at least take a second look?

I'm (thankfully) of an age where a Roger Dean or Hipgnosis cover would make
me run a mile. <g>

The only memorable and recognisable cover designers I can think of are
those that sprang from the loins of punk in the 70s/80s, e.g. Barney
Bubbles (Hawkwind 'In search of space', Elvis Costello 'Armed forces'),
Jamie Ried (Sex Pistols), Malcolm Garrett (Buzzcocks), Vaughan Oliver
(Anything on 4AD, especially Cocteau Twins) and Peter Saville (Anything on
Factory, epecially Joy Division/New Order).

I suppose there's less opportunity to do anything memorable on the small
space of a CD cover. Any individuality gets automatically sterilised by
that horrible contraption known as The Jewel Box.

Nowadays everyone just downloads their music so covers are pretty much
irrelevant ... !

  Ian





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Tony
http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ ------=_Part_13375_9819997.1172587332579-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 14:47:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 349AB3BEDB; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20070227073257.18673.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070227073257.18673.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:45:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: RE: Why contemporary music sounds terrible Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112013d97fe7202ee436811a8fe6565cfeadc281d236a16b6740350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: <7FWQ_.A.EgG.TSE5FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:47:48 +0000 (UTC) If it's on a CD it is 'digital' and thereby called 'digitally mastered'. The mastering engineer on those reissues uses an analog EQ / compression chain. >You know, I kinda wonder if the reason they mastered >these new sets is because of digital, after all, those >early Zep albums were done in analog, which brings >back the onverly exhasted debate about digial and >analog. > >Aside from that, I once read an article about Van >Halen releasing a Best Of compilation, and some of the >new material was mastered with no compression. His >reason for doing it...He wanted to see what it would >sound like and the radio stations compress the hell >out of them again to make for consistent volumes from >song to song, so by leaving it uncompressed, the song >would sound rather dynamic throught the radio >station's compressors...clever. >--- Charles Zwicky wrote: > >> >> Too bad that the remastered Zep CDs are too loud way >> too bright... >> >> >> >Absolutely Brian!those Zeppelin record production >> >still amaze me,and they are made to be turned >> up!those >> >drum sounds still sound fresh and the sounds page >> got >> >out of those small amps and guitars are the most >> >interesting ive heard in rock n roll history.What >> ive >> >always found brilliant about such a band was the >> >passion behind it,there are mistakes all over the >> >place like the solo on "baby i am gonna leave you" >> the >> >instrumental "black mountain side" or the bleeding >> >echo at the end of "you shook me" or the cut off >> lost >> >part by their engineer which i believe page fired >> on >> >the spot which they had to solve by pasting another >> >part at the begining of "celebration day"... >> >but is the honesty power and passion,no frills or >> >thrills they played back in those days that make >> them >> >so special to this day,almost as if it was the last >> >time they were going to live... >> >Luis >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >--- greg williams >> wrote: >> > >> >> Brian, >> >> >> >> I am also a fan of Page and his production in >> >> general in terms of dynamics, >> >> but have you heard "How the West was Won"? It >> was >> >> hugely disappointing for >> >> me in this regard; it is squashed beyond belief, >> and >> >> so is the sound on the >> >> Zeppelin DVD, which was released around the same >> >> time. I don't know if it >> >> was Page himself who suddenly caved in or his >> >> mastering engineer, but I >> >> really wish I could hear those recordings with >> some >> >> dynamics still intact. >> >> >> >> ~Greg >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Brian Kupferschmid >> >> [mailto:apparitionapparition@yahoo.com] >> >> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:48 AM >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds >> terrible >> >> >> >> I wholly agree with this, I believe a lot of >> today's >> >> music is crap, not just because the talent is >> >> lacking, >> >> but the dynamics as a whole is lacking. Aside >> from >> >> super compressed material, the bands themselves >> only >> >> see to know two sounds, clean and dirty. >> Where's >> >> the >> >> middle ground? I can listen to a blues song and >> >> still >> >> hear the dynamics, I can hear the accentuations >> on >> >> the >> >> notes being played to create emotion. A lot of >> >> today's pop and rock music lacks that. Mind >> you, >> >> Metal in all it's forms, isn't supposed to be >> >> dynamic >> >> in the musical sense, but why would you squeeze >> the >> >> life out of any song to make it in your face? >> My >> >> favorite stuff to listen to would be anything >> Jimmy >> >> Page produced(Led Zeppelin for sure). He >> composed >> >> his >> >> songs and used the studio to enhance his >> material >> >> with >> >> what he refers to "light and shade". The >> >> combination >> >> of close and room micing, soft versus loud and >> >> layering acoustics with clean electrics and so >> on. >> >> If >> >> you think about it, even some of the heaviest > > >> sounding >> >> stuff he did, wasn't all that distorted. >> >> Ultimately, >> >> his use of dynamics traslated over into the >> >> mastering >> >> part as well, what makes the big parts sound big >> is >> >> the small parts, thus making the song truly >> >> engulfing. >> >> Another band to use dynamics to it's fullest is >> >> Tool, >> >> because of the ebb and flow, you can listen to >> an 8 >> >> minute tune and not get bored, because the >> shifts in >> >> phrasing and dynamics keeps you there, and >> what's >> >> more, everytime you listen to it, a new part >> pops up >> >> you didn't realise was there before. Anyway, >> I've >> >> spoken what I think, so I have to agree, part of >> > > what >> >> is annoying about today's music is the lack of >> >> dynamics, it wears you out. >> >> --- Krispen Hartung >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > This is an interesting article posted on the >> jazz >> >> > guitar discussion group. >> >> > Jeff Kaiser and I had some interesting >> discussions >> >> > about the abuses or >> >> > misgivings of compression and the quest for >> hotter >> >> > levels in newer CDs when >> >> > I was mastering the discs for the Boise >> >> Experimental >> >> > Music Festival....all >> >> > the different ways you can increase levels >> (for >> >> CDs >> >> > to sound comparable to >> > > > other professional CDs in your player), yet >> >> > maintain natural dynamics, etc. >> >> > Now, it has occured to me that often times >> when I >> >> > hear a CD, especially >> >> > pop/rock CDs, and I think to myself, wow that >> is a >> >> > really hot and "in your >> >> > face" level", the mix also doesn't have much >> of a >> >> > dynamic range...some guy >> >> > is screaming his lyrics, or you can tell that >> is >> >> is >> >> > practically blowing his >> >> > brains out to get that tone out of his >> horn...but >> >> it >> >> > is no louder than the >> >> > section where he is wispering poetry over an >> >> ambient >> >> > section. It's like >> >> > compress, compress, compress, limit, limit, >> >> > limit....turn that wave form >> >> > into a solid bar, and then raise it to >> 0db...in >> >> your >> >> > face, 100% of the time. >> >> > Below is the first time I've seen this >> referred to >> >> > as exhausting, but it >> >> > makes sense. Even if you turn your stereo >> down, >> >> > there might be something to >> >> > be said of giving the human pyche a break with >> >> > natural dynamics and more >> >> > space. >> >> > >> >> >> >>Tension....release....tension...release....louder....softer, >> >> > etc, >> >> > etc. >> >> > >> >> > This article/topic, could I suppose turn into >> the >> >> > discussion of the >> >> > pschological results/benefits of adding more >> space >> >> > to one's compositions >> >> > (not making the composition "better" or >> "worse," >> >> > mind you). Can adding more >> >=== message truncated === > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time >with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. >http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 15:19:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06A2A3BEDF; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=UWzCzW8JXu1W8k/oMFg+J4/JzSKyK5WQwq/3kJEGTV0EtWW76bCGsWbZAdCjwOw8SgEElIQvTws5fbXnLDuo4QosiElcS9cP6eRrgY3GL4dFW5au1+I8vaNRowNJk/3bqpR+CLOumL9v2X7H6diroADg1lw6paMNwI+cmDgxVMA= ; X-YMail-OSG: oGyxkHIVM1lH3vLBNU_1qZwBDm2YSRoh6fmCM9tREzAjTRjo4zxLEC17UA1vcKsEELjU.nbtS8TuzHzSME6rNFoUtk233spU3Mw_SAUDpiDAJkW5oXmxYaWV5MhciOSZCVHYe1xkLUmu Message-ID: <013301c75a82$b9ab7b60$6902a8c0@PC576340162804> From: "Ben" To: Subject: riffworks Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:19:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0130_01C75A8B.1AF64690" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <8-CVXD.A.YjH.awE5FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:19:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0130_01C75A8B.1AF64690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not sure that it can be qualified as a looper but seems a cool SW for = those using a looper as a composition aid. http://www.sonomawireworks.com/riffworksmovies.php Ben ------=_NextPart_000_0130_01C75A8B.1AF64690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not sure that it can be qualified as a = looper but=20 seems a cool SW for those using a looper as a composition = aid.
 
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Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 15:41:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE2B73BEE7; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=oi4rJnOW5rFjzIVlu/JMaPjHBuSFCAzESLjvYLFNkrjccEs9bJdgBtQfaMEGfZ+klqgTuGdmOHuzTQtFxMRCi99gGGx00vIj1kgaL9XehhUpPk3tSY69u/yOhKg6a1bv9bpbFXKWdMIBXzQAZwMg3Qc0TvKCd9UeNKXcEcrgbn8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Pgn30wACGh5Kao+X+A1jULo7xEPAJZ/27SeWSdO1nFuBjtSIWtn8YyNudhghcMooUuBnWADSu8OP4j0w3JJ82x3tuIXCfbFUpEDq+bRzsos0aTiDii1xfb7mn7+RG9pHseRWis5CY6XHIdjsd+Tj/qFuITZpFIG22EwF0+kiLIU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:41:39 -0500 From: "radio radio" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looping pedal with decay? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:41:46 +0000 (UTC) I want to buy a pedal and get into looping but am having trouble figuring out which one will best meet my needs (and budget). I've learned a LOT from this web site, but still can't quite figure out everything and would really benefit from a human (albeit computer-mediated) interaction. Thanks in advance for taking the time to read this and respond - I hope that I will be able to "give back" some day when I know something worth while. Until then, I guess I should donate to this site if I get any responses. >From what I've read and thought about, it looks like what will be the most important distinction for me is that the loops will be able to decay. In other words, you can lay down a loop, lay down another one on top, and then another, and so on, and eventually the first one dies out, then the second one, and so on. I imagine this working like a delay pedal in which you can set the decay (or is that called feedback?). So you could "morph" over time into new things, without being stuck with your original loops, and without having to open a new loop and start from scratch with only one new track each time you wanted to change it up. The three pedals I've looked into are: BOSS RC20xl, Digitech Jamman, and BOSS DD-20 giga delay I thought the BOSS was it, but now I'm thinking that it doesn't allow this thing that I described. I can't tell if you can do this with the Jamman or not - does anyone know? You could do this with the DD-20, but I can't tell if you'd be able to set a loop/delay time up with your foot or not (versus having to set it to a certain number of seconds and then hope you can keep your riff to that length) or if there would be other difficulties that I'm not aware of if you're using this as a looping pedal when it's built to be a delay. Should I be considering a different pedal? I don't really need a delay pedal - I want a loop pedal that decays. I don't really need to be able to save my loops - I just want to be able to set them up on the fly. I don't need to be able to save them on my computer. I don't need to be able to plug in a separate mic or instrument in addition to the guitar, although that would be a definite bonus for me. I don't need a long amount of time - I'm guessing 23 seconds is plenty. I don't know if I need the ability to set up separate loops or not - I certainly wouldn't mind, but I don't know enough about using a looper yet to know about that. Also, how important is 'auto-quanitze'? Lastly, I don't have a lot of money to spend, so the echoplex is right out. The boomerang is also too expensive, and anyway I'm affraid of the noise issues that people have written about with that one. I haven't really learned about any other pedals out there. Thanks again! Eben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 15:47:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E40793BEDF; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=uPPk0BV4NkdUZoVa4BPDjR1IgNN7+Gu+x7W3pKE/YTjsoWAFSVA/9uwY5PShfbAEe67+mo7hMSNULiYnt4biXl1//1Y/n9r9zzHHxqtSsyijtdvjf0PSlQZ0OQnN+4RmE2iJZDbIM1OTpTp+LQ76JZzPSQAxPEzd464zKSy9cQ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=k5NVgVkNxCdvnjSITQND7n61bS+TRJSxnQOopKynCSM6VKWmg1MTVpYzuSCJr5aN4whw2smWExyHR7/u8Y2HfxQ5bngBoPAEt+EyRRq6OLQzOym6eonAbdkrTcwDmjB28Pk4oHPt8g9zqb/zAOqye8JuEIztOYOlPRMO/aiiVzQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45E4381D.9070405@tiscali.co.uk> References: <45E4381D.9070405@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <38F7BB86-450C-43E6-ACA5-2E063E3D0020@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: mac titanium G4 looping? Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:47:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <00n-HC.A.Y6.KKF5FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:47:22 +0000 (UTC) > Os wrote: >> I used a G4 667MHz Powerbook for years. Just max it out with RAM (at >> least 1GB) and get a decent (probably firewire) audio interface. (I >> have a Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 which is superb.) On 27 feb 2007, at 14.54, andy butler wrote: > I thought there were issues with high latency for any hardware > relying on the Core Audio firewire drivers. At least, this was the > case a month or 2 ago, maybe it's fixed now. > Of course, if latency isn't an issue. Maybe you are referring to the plug-in "safety" buffer? It's a bit big in OS X compared to the buffer of some Windows VST plug-ins. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 15:50:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EEA23BEDF; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=KCvlOyLtcRG4iCccrH2Zfhj53+Qer4SE1qtuHohnF1OYKm/eKZwqMwT1lf/7g8yoav+NYykemG0KLNG4+TFyUC5bAv5inlmB8TgIf24jGtji+dspupMw8ee9ZEmSN54Ea2yunjjqpa5I3+sU9f8tZ8gczMS7qCO0oraGgLsDAO8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=IfHYoOjoTcIHAhXnT0j+HA89p6v5r7Dm/+K+T7htWWSD7TQY38hQid5bjBeXCeSYNpX7xiwXHfAaI3poccax7Mq+vwXiRh6ArqzdhiAfG+1xdcJ+SGk9XijgCFlV7hbUjLTSMejDJfLpqlQXHv6uXde9bYHkXUfoa5+d8+b29DU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:50:04 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mac titanium G4 looping? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 734d3b40f31bc82f Resent-Message-ID: <90TmmC.A.UFB.uMF5FB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:50:06 +0000 (UTC) I don't recall this ever being the case. Well maybe years ago, in OS X 10.0 or something. It's certainly never been a problem for me. os. > I thought there were issues with high latency for any hardware relying on the Core Audio firewire drivers. > At least, this was the case a month or 2 ago, maybe it's fixed now. > > Of course, if latency isn't an issue. > > andy butler -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 16:01:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4CDB3BEE9; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=AQrZAgyekeBZkNJag2oTybd4ZEKKJCYWlrjeJUP3yyrA3OOu81xAg9QIDhRh1fnyrBwL5MRuntILsKH7D0PNZFaLJIOT6w3u/tUWhDofop1As4x+9l4I0UH707bc2e38h4bEcI7uwdq1ycS5BqlN5a2zvz8zonkWQ3WSr37xOig=; X-YMail-OSG: itCDUS8VM1nCmS5SmlXxyT8dRTBmMR.Gr8Ts5zB0t6qEF.Z967VNiuMg02Dl_dT5AYJ6TBrxg7RqeRc0iUz1n9nNHgViJT1oUdYzxQ6JHyXpOUa_PVqibZz9JjniK03SzDHoZri.zCrMv9g- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:01:50 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: looping pedal with decay? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <444811.64669.qm@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:01:52 +0000 (UTC) The only things that I know of that will do what you describe are delay pedals. I think the Giga delay would be your best bet, but I'd also read somewhere that this one artist(I can't remebmer his name) uses Eventide rack mount processors set up with an algorhythm that was set with a 95% feedback so that his loops would decay over time. That sounds more like what you want, but that stuff is way expensive. Other than that, sounds like all you need is a digital delay unit with copious anmounts of time and to be able to set the feedback setting as needed to make the loops decay over time. --- radio radio wrote: > I want to buy a pedal and get into looping but am > having trouble > figuring out which one will best meet my needs (and > budget). I've > learned a LOT from this web site, but still can't > quite figure out > everything and would really benefit from a human > (albeit > computer-mediated) interaction. Thanks in advance > for taking the time > to read this and respond - I hope that I will be > able to "give back" > some day when I know something worth while. Until > then, I guess I > should donate to this site if I get any responses. > > From what I've read and thought about, it looks like > what will be the > most important distinction for me is that the loops > will be able to > decay. In other words, you can lay down a loop, lay > down another one > on top, and then another, and so on, and eventually > the first one dies > out, then the second one, and so on. I imagine this > working like a > delay pedal in which you can set the decay (or is > that called > feedback?). So you could "morph" over time into new > things, without > being stuck with your original loops, and without > having to open a new > loop and start from scratch with only one new track > each time you > wanted to change it up. > > The three pedals I've looked into are: > > BOSS RC20xl, Digitech Jamman, and BOSS DD-20 giga > delay > > I thought the BOSS was it, but now I'm thinking that > it doesn't allow > this thing that I described. I can't tell if you can > do this with the > Jamman or not - does anyone know? You could do this > with the DD-20, > but I can't tell if you'd be able to set a > loop/delay time up with > your foot or not (versus having to set it to a > certain number of > seconds and then hope you can keep your riff to that > length) or if > there would be other difficulties that I'm not aware > of if you're > using this as a looping pedal when it's built to be > a delay. > > Should I be considering a different pedal? I don't > really need a delay > pedal - I want a loop pedal that decays. I don't > really need to be > able to save my loops - I just want to be able to > set them up on the > fly. I don't need to be able to save them on my > computer. I don't need > to be able to plug in a separate mic or instrument > in addition to the > guitar, although that would be a definite bonus for > me. I don't need a > long amount of time - I'm guessing 23 seconds is > plenty. I don't know > if I need the ability to set up separate loops or > not - I certainly > wouldn't mind, but I don't know enough about using a > looper yet to > know about that. Also, how important is > 'auto-quanitze'? Lastly, I > don't have a lot of money to spend, so the echoplex > is right out. The > boomerang is also too expensive, and anyway I'm > affraid of the noise > issues that people have written about with that one. > I haven't really > learned about any other pedals out there. > > Thanks again! > Eben > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 16:02:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A42A43BEF8; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:02:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <013301c75a82$b9ab7b60$6902a8c0@PC576340162804> References: <013301c75a82$b9ab7b60$6902a8c0@PC576340162804> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1011622916 Message-Id: <2a154bb6e48cbc559713ff114c426a08@cox.net> From: MD Subject: Re: riffworks Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:05:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:02:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-1011622916 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Now this guy looks like he is having some real fun. Thats inspiring in=20= itself. Thanks for the link. On Feb 27, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Ben wrote: > Not sure that it can be qualified as a looper but seems a cool SW for=20= > those using a looper as a composition aid. > =A0 > http://www.sonomawireworks.com/riffworksmovies.php > =A0 > =A0 > Ben > =A0 > =A0= --Apple-Mail-1-1011622916 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Now this guy looks like he is having some real fun. Thats inspiring in itself. Thanks for the link. On Feb 27, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Ben wrote: ArialNot sure that it can be qualified as a looper but seems a cool SW for those using a looper as a composition aid. =A0 = Arial0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.sonomawireworks.com/riffworksmovies.php =A0 =A0 ArialBen =A0 =A0= --Apple-Mail-1-1011622916-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 16:10:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B9C33BF08; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: VSTi piano - or other laptop synth Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:10:18 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <004e01c75a89$c656b8a0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-index: AcdZr8Vw1yAmQNQfRIyeMlkbD8TyqwA2fpAg X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINERO4wmw== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Kontakt > Sampler is the word I am looking for --- not just a piano > (though I can't even find a good free VST piano out there). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 16:14:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64F4F3BF10; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <83FE7F9F-71C9-40CE-AC18-424FEB62A44E@surfbest.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-1012263394 From: Richard Roberts Subject: Re: atmosphere...all go insane Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:16:31 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:14:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-1012263394 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I agree, Per, it is a dangerous path. Little or no chance to contemplate on how do or be anything better. It reduces our choices to mere reactions. Richard Roberts ZERO OHMS "We are no longer the same after hearing certain sounds, and this is more the case when we hear organized sounds, sounds organized by another human being: music." - Karlheinz Stockhausen People screening out people, crippling our own sensibility. That's a depressing scenario. It's not only the sounding atmosphere that is becoming overcrowded, similar enhancement/degradation happens to "time". Modern life is short of free time so someone invented the phrase "quality time" that can be used to motivate the screening out of activities labeled "of less quality". The bad effect this has on people is that they loose their natural ability for mental and emotional reflection, which in a longer perspective also may reduce the ability to feel compassion. A dangerous path. We're all part of this noise. Since there are no silent spots left, we need to develop a good sense of what to filter out, just to heal ourselves and stop the destructive dehumanizing trend. A bit of a paradox. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) On 27 feb 2007, at 00.26, samba - wrote: > I think part of what's happening is ,the world is so noisy,and > getting noisier all the time,that people tend to screen out much > or most of the audio (and other bandwidths for that matter) in > their perceptual fields,most of the time. A number times I've seen > emergency vehicles w/ sirens blaring ,stuck in traffic,being > ignored .And not just in cities. > So advertising ,and I consider pop music advertising, gets louder > more in your face harder to ignore. another thing that happens ,I > think people still need audio stimulation to counterbalance all > the stimulus screening of daliy life,so they tend to take it in > concentrated doses in forms that are identified as hedonistic.. > Marshall McLuhan said that each generation grow's up in an > environment formed,and informed by newer technologies than their > parents grew uo with.SO the frequencies and dynamics are > different,experientially it's a different world.Each generations's > music/dance /fashion is a tool for it to learn how to move in this > new world ,o learn it's rhythms and dynamics. > --Apple-Mail-2-1012263394 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I agree, Per, it is a dangerous = path. Little or no chance to contemplate on how do or be anything = better. It reduces our choices to mere reactions.
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Richard = Roberts
ZERO OHMS

"We are no = longer the same after hearing certain sounds, and this is more the case = when we hear organized sounds, sounds organized by another human being: = music."=A0=A0
- Karlheinz = Stockhausen


People screening out people, crippling our own = sensibility. That's a depressing scenario. It's not only the sounding = atmosphere that is becoming overcrowded, similar enhancement/degradation = happens to "time". Modern life is short of free time so someone invented = the phrase "quality time" that can be used to motivate the screening out = of activities=A0 labeled "of less quality". The bad effect this has on = people is that they loose their natural ability for mental and emotional = reflection, which in a longer perspective also may reduce the ability to = feel compassion. A dangerous path.

We're all part of this noise. Since there are no = silent spots left, we need to develop a good sense of what to filter = out, just to heal ourselves and stop the destructive dehumanizing trend. = A bit of a paradox.

Greetings from Sweden
Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest = music release)

On 27 feb = 2007, at 00.26, samba - wrote:
I think part = of what's happening is ,the world is so noisy,and getting noisier all = the time,that people tend to screen out=A0 much or most of the audio = (and other bandwidths for that matter) in their perceptual fields,most = of the time. A number times=A0 I've seen emergency vehicles w/ sirens = blaring ,stuck in traffic,being ignored .And not just in = cities.
=A0So advertising ,and I = consider pop music advertising, gets louder more in your face harder to = ignore. another thing that happens ,I think people still need audio = stimulation=A0 to counterbalance all the stimulus screening of daliy = life,so they tend to take it in concentrated doses in forms that are = identified as hedonistic..
=A0Marshall = McLuhan said that each generation grow's up in an environment formed,and = informed by newer technologies than their parents grew uo with.SO the = frequencies and dynamics are different,experientially it's a different = world.Each generations's music/dance /fashion is a tool for it to learn = how to move in this new world ,o learn it's rhythms and = dynamics.