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I don't know if anyone is familiar with plogue's 'bidule', but I have used
it in the past, and it's a very advanced midi routing program. Essentially,
I think that I could use a simple midi controller that only sends pcs, and
translate those into specific velocity/channel/note controls, i.e. assign
button 1 on my midi controller to trigger the release of a variable that
triggers a function on the EDP.

Anyone worked with bidule or think this is possible?

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<div dir="ltr">I don&#39;t know if anyone is familiar with plogue&#39;s &#39;bidule&#39;, but I have used it in the past, and it&#39;s a very advanced midi routing program. Essentially, I think that I could use a simple midi controller that only sends pcs, and translate those into specific velocity/channel/note controls, i.e. assign button 1 on my midi controller to trigger the release of a variable that triggers a function on the EDP.<br>
<br>Anyone worked with bidule or think this is possible?<br></div>

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i was about to prepre to do this as well...but quick question about the fcb=
1010 ....
are you limited to one midi message per button or can you layer 4-8 differe=
nt messages sent on different midi channels with a single button press?
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> From: info@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removing=
 expression pedals)?> Date: Sun=2C 31 Aug 2008 15:26:55 -0700> To: Loopers-=
Delight@loopers-delight.com> > bob charest=2C who i found on the FCB list=
=2C is doing this for me right > now!!! he's a professional musician in mai=
ne and has many > talents...he posted photos of his pedal-removal job up th=
e FCB group > list and i was very impressed.> > anyway=2C he agreed to do i=
t=2C and i shipped him a pedal for him to > modify. the pedals are coming o=
ff and the power supply will go in a > little box that i'll mount in my rig=
 (which will send power down a > midi cable). there are other ways you coul=
d do the power thing=2C i > decided that was the best option for me.> > i t=
alked to him yesterday and he was just painting the finished > product with=
 a black flake finish (!!).> > i should get it this week. i asked him if he=
 wanted to keep it a > secret or not=2C but he says he is into the idea of =
this being a little > sideline.> > i'm very exited!> > > > On Aug 31=2C 200=
8=2C at 2:57 PM=2C Buzap Buzap wrote:> > > Hi folks> >> > it would be kind =
of neat to have the Behringer FCB-1010 as a more > > compact option _withou=
t_ expression pedals. And only take > > additional pedals if you need them.=
> >> > Looking inside the FCB1010:> > http://www.el34world.com/Misc/Music/i=
mages/IMG_0230.jpg> > It could be actually possible: Cut the metal case off=
 right where > > the pedals begin=2C cut off the pedals=2C externalize the =
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i was about to prepre to do this as well...but quick question about the fcb=
1010 ....<BR>
are you limited to one midi message per button or can you layer 4-8 differe=
nt messages sent on&nbsp=3Bdifferent midi channels with a single button pre=
ss?<BR>
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ty<BR>
fro&nbsp=3B<BR>
&nbsp=3B<BR>
&gt=3B From: info@zoekeating.com<BR>&gt=3B Subject: Re: Cutting up the FCB-=
1010 (removing expression pedals)?<BR>&gt=3B Date: Sun=2C 31 Aug 2008 15:26=
:55 -0700<BR>&gt=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&=
gt=3B bob charest=2C who i found on the FCB list=2C is doing this for me ri=
ght <BR>&gt=3B now!!! he's a professional musician in maine and has many <B=
R>&gt=3B talents...he posted photos of his pedal-removal job up the FCB gro=
up <BR>&gt=3B list and i was very impressed.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B anyway=2C=
 he agreed to do it=2C and i shipped him a pedal for him to <BR>&gt=3B modi=
fy. the pedals are coming off and the power supply will go in a <BR>&gt=3B =
little box that i'll mount in my rig (which will send power down a <BR>&gt=
=3B midi cable). there are other ways you could do the power thing=2C i <BR=
>&gt=3B decided that was the best option for me.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B i tal=
ked to him yesterday and he was just painting the finished <BR>&gt=3B produ=
ct with a black flake finish (!!).<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B i should get it thi=
s week. i asked him if he wanted to keep it a <BR>&gt=3B secret or not=2C b=
ut he says he is into the idea of this being a little <BR>&gt=3B sideline.<=
BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B i'm very exited!<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B <BR>&=
gt=3B On Aug 31=2C 2008=2C at 2:57 PM=2C Buzap Buzap wrote:<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&=
gt=3B &gt=3B Hi folks<BR>&gt=3B &gt=3B<BR>&gt=3B &gt=3B it would be kind of=
 neat to have the Behringer FCB-1010 as a more <BR>&gt=3B &gt=3B compact op=
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i know, because i do it, that you can send 5 program changes, 2  
control changes and 1 note. each of them on any channel you choose.  
(i didn't mention the expression pedals because i ignore them, but  
those can have their own settings as well)

i have this:
2 PC switches sending on channel 1
2 PC switches sending on channel 2
1 PC switch sending on channel 3
Note on channel 16

the only limitation is that the channel settings are global.
so, if you have the first of your 5 PC switches sending on channel  
16, the 2nd on channel 15, 3rd on channel 14, etc...those are the  
channels they will always send on. (er, unless there is some other  
way in the FCB to mash them all up that i'm unaware of....i've never  
bothered to find out)

On Aug 31, 2008, at 9:38 PM, J Johans wrote:

> i was about to prepre to do this as well...but quick question about  
> the fcb1010 ....
> are you limited to one midi message per button or can you layer 4-8  
> different messages sent on different midi channels with a single  
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you rule - much appreciated info

i look forward to the chop-saw =3DD

fro
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> Subject: Re: Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removing expression pedals)?
> Date: Sun=2C 31 Aug 2008 22:03:37 -0700
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Hi,

I didn't know what VHDL is either, so I Googled it and became quite
impressed! It stands for "Very High Speed Integrated Circuit Hardware
Description Language" which is indeed a "hilarious" term, but also
pretty self descriptive. What a smart system for a creative
functionality designer (inventor) to pass over his ideas to an
engineer that makes it happen in hardware and processes! I had no idea
that modern tech gear originates from such simple mind tools.

I like Rainer's idea that the processes only happen as long as you
keep you finger on the plate (fader). Right from the top of my head I
think that for looping I would like to use three more functions with
this:

1) Option of a realign command generated by the "exit scratching".

2) Optional "latch mode" where the scratching is not repelling back to
its initial state (of parameter values) but rather left at whatever
parameter values you lift of your finger.

3) Option of a "musical quantize" mode, in which the pitch doesn't
shift continuously but in musical steps. This could also be set to
specific scales (from twelve tone scale to simple pentatonic... fixed
micro tonal related to a root would be ultimately cool!).

These three extras are not intended to mimic DJ mixer board scratching
but to make it more performance friendly and versatile for live
loopists.

Ok, enough so far. As for the physical controlling I would rather use
a touch sensitive XY axis floor/tabletop carpet than a DJ mixer
imitation of some sort. Such a vector controller would not only permit
linear moves, as the DJ mixer's fader, but also the option of jumping
directly from one set of values to another - by lifting off your
finger/toe and putting it down somewhere else (given the whole shebang
can be run on "latch mode", see above). This vector control function
would work fine with just a laptop's track pac as well.

Another thing that Rainer's write-up brought up to me is the reverse
playback idea. In my recent Mobius scratching setup I have never felt
the need for reverse, since I'm already toggling reverse mode from a
dedicated button. But when thinking about it, I bet it would really
sound cool to slow down Rate until Reverse is automatically toggled at
the slowest rate.

Maybe a looper like Augustus Loop would be a better "engine" since it
also allows continuous re-pitching? But that would mean you would have
to set up the scripting in the host application. Mobius, on the other
hand, already has this awesome built-in scripting and I personally
think it sounds ok with the whole tone quantized re-pitching of Mobius
(which is actually a very good thing when applied to other processes).

Thinking about Jeff's post, on using MIDI CCx=64 as some mid point,
I'm getting a feel that it could be possible for the user to script a
sort of scratching with reverse included. As I understand his approach
the value 64 should be the point where the Rate parameter reaches its
lowest value. At the value 64 Reverse should also be toggled and as we
go lower the Rate would increase again. As we go back from CC=0 the
Rate becomes lower (sound slowing down and pitch falling) until we
reach to 64 again and Reverse again gets toggled (now going into
forward audio playback) and as we go higher above 64 the Rate
increases (pitch and speed raising).

However, I am missing one factor in this scenario: the values where
Rate (pitch and speed) equals normal, i.e. the value where the loop is
back at the same tempo and pitch as the original - even though it
might probably not be in sync ;-)) Doesn't it seem logical to set
those points at 96 for the Forward Playback half and at 32 for the
Reverse Playback half of the total (MIDI CC# 0-127) parameter range?

A final word: So far I have been "scratching" in Mobius by simply
putting a loop into Multiply mode and then have a go at the Rate Shift
MIDI CC# expression pedal (or my hand mixer fader assigned to the same
processing) while playing new live audio. The audience then hears my
live playing straight and the loop background being mangled by the
rate shifting. On leaving Multiply Mode the loop plays back, but now
the background straight and my former live playing being "scratched".
I find this a very good performance technique. As for this idea about
scratching with the reverse function we have to do it differently, as
we can't catch the sound into a loop because if we do, all new live
playing would be overdubbed at one point of the loop
since the Forward and Reverse Playback directions tend to even out
each other ;-))  A solution could be to record the sound of the
scratching activities (maybe also plus the background?) into a new
loop. This can be done by audio routing in the host application.

Per


On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Chris Gaber <fourstrng@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I dont know whats going on here and I dont really care either, but that is
> hilarious.
> On Aug 31, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
>
>> As an extension to my last message, here is some pseudo VHDL code (that's
>> because I'm not at all familiar what scripting language can do right now -
>> what's the status of the documentation?) to describe what I think needs to
>> be done:
>>
>> -- I won't deal with variable declaration here
>> -- things we get externally: "controller", which is an integer describing
>> the finger position, "finger", a boolean stating whether the finger is on
>> -- the controller or not, finally "clk", a clock for the process. There's
>> a
>> constant "clk_delta", which is the clock half-period in ms.
>> --
>>
>> process scratching is
>> begin
>>        wait until finger'event and finger      -- wait until you put a
>> finger on the controller
>>        pause                                           -- pauses playback
>>        direction_s <= direction                -- used to store playback
>> direction (Forward or Backward)
>>        rate_s <= rate                          -- and rate
>>        ctrl_last <= controller                 -- store current finger
>> position
>>        ctrl_last2 <= controller
>>        loop: scratching                                -- inner loop;
>> active while finger is on the controller
>>                wait until clock'event
>>                if controller = ctrl_last AND controller = ctrl_last2
>> then
>>                        pause                           -- pause playback
>> if
>> finger hasn't moved for last two clocks
>>                elsif controller != ctrl_last then
>>                        play
>>                        ctrl_delta = controller - ctrl_last
>>                        if ctrl_delta > 0 then  -- check for playing
>> direction
>>                                if direction_s = forward then
>>                                        forward
>>                                else
>>                                        backward
>>                                end if
>>                        elsif
>>                                if direction_s = forward then
>>                                        backward
>>                                else
>>                                        forward
>>                                end if
>>                        end if
>>                        pbspeed = ctrl_delta/clk_delta  -- playback speed
>> scale factor is the controller delta since last clk'event divided by
>> clk_delta
>>                        rate = ln(pbspeed)*17,3123404906676 -- ugly scale
>> factor to convert from pbspeed to rate
>>                end if
>>                if not finger then
>>                        exit scratching                         -- exit
>> from
>> loop
>>                end if
>>        end scratching loop
>>        -- if in the loop the finger is lifted, we resume here
>>        direction <= direction_s
>>        rate <= rate_s
>>        play
>> end process scratching
>>
>> Hope that helps to explain what I'm after. Aaron, I'd also like to hear
>> your
>> comments if you'd like.
>>
>
>

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hi Marcus, 

Unfortunately the edp needs a midi controller that sends something 
when the switch is released, so one that only sends ProgCh (on the downpress) is 
not going to work.

This is because edp distinguishes between longpress and shortpress.
..so you wouldn't be able to duplicate the exact working of an
edp with a footcontroller that had Note-On/Off 


Only way round would be to have seperate switches for the LongPress and ShortPress
functions.
( e.g. a LongPress of the Record button is Reset)

For Shortpress, you'd need to convert PrgCh into a Note-On, Note-Off pair.
(right now, I don't see that Bidule can do that, but if you're really
  interested I'll go full out to find a way).

Bidule is the host of choice for Matthias and myself,
it's great for live audio work,
but if you're just wanting to handle midi, I wonder if
there's something more suitable that would allow you 
to easily convert one midi command into a midi string. 


andy butler

ps
Why not just get an fcb1010? 
(just asking)







marcus kirby wrote:
> I don't know if anyone is familiar with plogue's 'bidule', but I have 
> used it in the past, and it's a very advanced midi routing program. 
> Essentially, I think that I could use a simple midi controller that only 
> sends pcs, and translate those into specific velocity/channel/note 
> controls, i.e. assign button 1 on my midi controller to trigger the 
> release of a variable that triggers a function on the EDP.
> 
> Anyone worked with bidule or think this is possible?

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hi Marcus,

Yep, it's possible to do this.

I've made a Bidule Group which converts a single ProgChange command
to the Note-On/Note-Off pair you'd need to operate the EDP.


That would give you the ShortPress functionality,
which is probably enough.

I'll mail it to you if you want it.



If you want to simulate a LongPress, you'll have to just convert to a single Note-On.

andy butler



andy butler wrote:
> hi Marcus,
> Unfortunately the edp needs a midi controller that sends something when 
> the switch is released, so one that only sends ProgCh (on the downpress) 
> is not going to work.
> 
> This is because edp distinguishes between longpress and shortpress.
> ..so you wouldn't be able to duplicate the exact working of an
> edp with a footcontroller that had Note-On/Off
> 
> Only way round would be to have seperate switches for the LongPress and 
> ShortPress
> functions.
> ( e.g. a LongPress of the Record button is Reset)
> 
> For Shortpress, you'd need to convert PrgCh into a Note-On, Note-Off pair.
> (right now, I don't see that Bidule can do that, but if you're really
>  interested I'll go full out to find a way).
> 
> Bidule is the host of choice for Matthias and myself,
> it's great for live audio work,
> but if you're just wanting to handle midi, I wonder if
> there's something more suitable that would allow you to easily convert 
> one midi command into a midi string.
> 
> andy butler
> 
> ps
> Why not just get an fcb1010? (just asking)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> marcus kirby wrote:
>> I don't know if anyone is familiar with plogue's 'bidule', but I have 
>> used it in the past, and it's a very advanced midi routing program. 
>> Essentially, I think that I could use a simple midi controller that 
>> only sends pcs, and translate those into specific 
>> velocity/channel/note controls, i.e. assign button 1 on my midi 
>> controller to trigger the release of a variable that triggers a 
>> function on the EDP.
>>
>> Anyone worked with bidule or think this is possible?
> 
> 

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Zoe & all
> i'm very exited!
wow, exciting indeed. I've subscribed to the FCB list and looked at the "Radical Mod" description. This is exactly what I want! (and black finish is really nice... :-)
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/files/Hardware%20Mods/
One more nice thing would be to have _optional_ connectors for 1-2 Roland EV5 Expression pedals.
But I might use a software patch with audio I/O - the way Krispen described it via MAX/MSP - instead.

Thanks for the hint... one step closer to moving to software looping ;-)

Buzap

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I like your music, but no friends requests for bands?

What kind of nonsense is that!!


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From: "jayrope looper's delight" <jrploopers@kliklak.net>
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> Hello all,
> 
> Air Cushion Finish, originally a solo project of mine, is exploring  
> instrumental acoustic guitar works in partially looped and  
> experimental songwriting contexts.
> 
> Since winter 2007 ACF is a duo of Berlin's outstanding singerlooper  
> Lippstueck (Goldmund Festival/Girls United/etc...) and me.
> We recorded a very heartwarming slow-motion loop album called  
> "Beleifuss" in March 2008, toured just a little, at last supporting  
> Carla Bozoulich in Leipzig in April.
> 
> Air Cushion Finish will next appear live at Berlin's very private  
> underground outdoor location "Osthafen" in the late afternoon on  
> Sept. 6, eventually completed by a yet unknown 2nd live act and  
> surely by one of our favorite DJs in town: Monokid.
> 
> Final concert time will be announced on kliklak.net's live dates  
> section and eventually at our Myspace site.
> 
> Come have a listen:
> 
> http://www.myspace.com/madeinusb
> 
> Hope to see some of you loopers out there.
> 
> 
> 
> ...
> musically reporting from the forefront of gentrification: New Bad  
> Berlin ,-)
> ---
> jayrope
> === musical ===
> http://kliklak.net
> http://aircushionfinish.kliklak.net
> http://touchdonttouch.com
> http://myspace.com/prinzenallee
> === visual ===
> http://jayropinsky.kliklak.net/thingship
> 

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Just a little update on my experiences with Mainstage and looping.

Mainstage has a lot of great synths, drum machines and guitar fx, but
it does chew up cpu (i wouldn't even try to use the physical modeling
synth in a live environment with other stuff going on).

I tried putting Sooperlooper into a bus, and it works sometimes, but
often seems to cause Mainstage to complain of MIDI conflicts (when
synced to the Sooperlooper output). I found this to be annoying, and
plus - buggy tho it is, i have my own max/msp looper and it thinks the
way I do (and doesn't require me to remap midi footcontrollers). Plus,
I can rig max things to do lots of different stuff.

My main issue in getting this to work has been getting the audio from
Mainstage to MAX w/o adding latency. I found that the 2-channel
version of Soundflower works OK, but the 16 ch. introduces
unacceptable latency - and I do need multiple channels going back and
forth. I installed the Jack server on Friday, and I find it much
better and more configurable than Soundflower (maybe it's just easier
to understand and I was able to configure it better for that reason).

Now, I don't yet have Mainstage syncing fx times to loop lengths - my
looper puts out MIDI Time Code, or did at one time!, but I have to try
and remember where in the morass of code that is and see whether it's
working this month. But I'm not that concerned about that at the
moment - my modus operandi for now is to tap in a tempo to Mainstage
before i start playing, then just loop normally (my looper, by the
way, has it's own built-in loop-synced delay fx). (corrollary: I'll
bet SooperLooper would work fine in Mainstage if i stopped trying to
sync to it, too).

So, Mainstage, Jack and MAX play together nicely with low latency.
Now, I'm playing with working automated percussion into the mix -
which may alter the "first loop is spontaneous" dogma for me (I'm deep
in a process of reinvention this year, and upcoming products for hex
gtr that I can't talk about are going to complicate that further in a
few months).  I started playing with the Mainstage/Logic drum machine,
Ultrabeat. Ultrabeat has many cool things, but no realtime
randomization (although you can get long-term variation by making long
lfos that don't retrigger on every hit). So, I adapted the drummer
quickstart from MAX cool objects to drive a two-line percussion part,
one part synthesizing shakers/maracas, etc. in MAX via the MIT
Percolate physical modelling library, and the other one to generate
MIDI messages to send to Mainstage (I am trying to set up shakers as
the "core" of a class of improvisations).

So now, I'm really getting into audio web weirdness... the percussion
audio is coming from both MAX and Mainstage, and should not be looped
(since it is generated from it's own kind of loop), but should be
recorded, and the guitar audio is coming from Mainstage, is echoed
right back to the audio interface by jack for low latency, but is also
Y'd into MAX for looping. there's no connection yet between loop times
and the percussion generators, but that must come soon.

On a simpler front, I took my guitar out with just my computer and no
footcontroller and no external interface for a jam the other day, and
it worked fine. In other words, I replaced my fx with Mainstage
without having to carry around any extra crap - plugged the gtr into
the line in, took the amp output from the headphone feed, and skipped
the footcontrol. Ended up with no more equipment than before (the
computer now replacing the fx floor unit), and the Macbook on an
Instands next to me - changed patches with the arrow keys. Worked
great, except for the lack of manual wah-wah functionality.

Having the computer up next to me all the time and accepting that also
means that I can start assigning non-time-criticial looper control
functions, like "start fade", to keys instead of footcontroller
presses. that will be a relief, since that interface was becoming
quite awkward.

I'm also going to start looking into Max 5. It appears to address many
of the issues that have long bothered me about max, although there has
been some talk on the lists about the audio performance not being
quite up to MAX 4 (i.e., higher cpu usage for what looks to be the
same functionality). Still, problems like that inevitably get
addressed, and given my time available for coding, will probably be
addressed before I need them - as I recode the looper, there are
several performance enhancements (even in Max 4) that I have not taken
advantage of and now need, so (as always) there is a long way to go.

So - that's the news from Greenwood Lake for now.

Happy looping!

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P.S. : I also just got a Godin Freeway SA guitar - guitars with hex
pickups bolted on just don't seem to work as well as those designed to
be synth controllers. It came with super light strings.

Between this guitar and the sounds in Mainstage, my rock-and-roll
roots are stirring. They're just begging for a context, which I think
I have to invent. A loop-oriented version of Modeski, Martin, Wood,
sort of, crossed with the Dead, is where I'm leaning for my group
concept (whether I can pull it off is another story). I'm too schizo
musically to be able to find a good "container" or branding strategy -
I'm sure many of you here experience that too.

As a solo artist, I think I'm going to take a new-age stance (even tho
the music may occasionally be more "new edge" than "new age" - hey,
maybe "New Edge Music" is a good way to pitch it, actually) and adopt
the name "Painting on Air" for a local gigging strategy - there must
be a number of venues in the area where I can talk my way in if i
don't care about the money (and I don't, really I just want to expose
people to this).

(BTW - about Godins: Many of you have seen the Godin nylon-string
controller that I played at Y2K2006. My experience with that guitar
has been that the concept has been perfect, but the workmanship not
quite A-1. I've had it into the shop several times over the 4 years
I've owned it for reglueing of braces and other work. When it's set up
right, it's great. The new guitar wasn't adjusted quite right either -
I did some minor tweaks, but I'm going to bring it in to a local pro
to complete the setup).

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Ok, i know this is all too many long posts, but one more thought to add...
it also occurs to me (re percussion looping), that i would be useful
to incorporate MIDI looping along with the audio looping, because the
possibilities for automated variance are so vast (I used to hate
working with midi sounds, and only preferred to manipulate sampled
audio, but these days midi sounds are soooo much better than they were
10 years ago).

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I gotta say, the whole midi looping possibilities inside of Live are just
perfect for that!
t.


On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:

> Ok, i know this is all too many long posts, but one more thought to add...
> it also occurs to me (re percussion looping), that i would be useful
> to incorporate MIDI looping along with the audio looping, because the
> possibilities for automated variance are so vast (I used to hate
> working with midi sounds, and only preferred to manipulate sampled
> audio, but these days midi sounds are soooo much better than they were
> 10 years ago).
>
>


-- 
In New York from the 1st to 17th.

http://blog.toddreynolds.com
http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic

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<div dir="ltr">I gotta say, the whole midi looping possibilities inside of Live are just perfect for that!&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>t.</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Warren Sirota <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com">wsirota@wsdesigns.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Ok, i know this is all too many long posts, but one more thought to add...<br>
it also occurs to me (re percussion looping), that i would be useful<br>
to incorporate MIDI looping along with the audio looping, because the<br>
possibilities for automated variance are so vast (I used to hate<br>
working with midi sounds, and only preferred to manipulate sampled<br>
audio, but these days midi sounds are soooo much better than they were<br>
10 years ago).<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>In New York from the 1st to 17th.<br><br><a href="http://blog.toddreynolds.com">http://blog.toddreynolds.com</a><br><a href="http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic">http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic</a><br>
<br>
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I know, there are possibilities there, and within Logic as well.
However, I want access to the Logic instruments, which, (*extremely*)
unfortunately are not available as AUs or outside the Mainstage/Logic
environments. So using Live to just record/replay midi to Mainstage
would be running yet another processor-intensive music app
simultaneously with the other two. (BTW, Logic also does MIDI
overdubbing/looping quite nicely, and I might consider using that
instead of Mainstage, in the end, but I would lose some of the
Mainstage features if i did that).

Although, WTF, I may as well try integrating Logic/Live and MAX at
once and see what happens, eh? What's the worst that could happen? a
couple of wasted hours? I really do like all the MIDI processing
facilities that Live has to offer... if it *does* work, it might well
be easier than hunting down that functionality in max and integrating
it....

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On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
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> So - that's the news from Greenwood Lake for now.


Warren,

How wonderful to hear about your new directions in three exciting list
mails! I'm looking forward to hear about where you'll be taking all
this in the future. Since you were talking about strategies for
reducing latency I'd just like to mention a viable solution I used for
one festival 14 months ago: simply using two laptops and streaming
audio digitally between them! I used a S/PDIF cable and had zero
latency.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Per, that's a terrific solution, but it's not in the budget right
now... although i guess there are probably used Macbooks floating
around that would be perfectly adequate for handling *one* of the many
programs...

And thanks for speaking up here - you were a big influence in me
moving in this direction.

On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
> ///////
>> So - that's the news from Greenwood Lake for now.
>
>
> Warren,
>
> How wonderful to hear about your new directions in three exciting list
> mails! I'm looking forward to hear about where you'll be taking all
> this in the future. Since you were talking about strategies for
> reducing latency I'd just like to mention a viable solution I used for
> one festival 14 months ago: simply using two laptops and streaming
> audio digitally between them! I used a S/PDIF cable and had zero
> latency.
>
> --
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
> www.stockholm-athens.com
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>

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I never use the sustain function on the gibson footwsitch. I just set it to
where I click once to turn on a function and once to turn off. Are the
long/short presses applicable in my case?

I would definitely love to have the bidule group so that I can use my
equipment that I already have.



On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:01 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> hi Marcus,
>
> Yep, it's possible to do this.
>
> I've made a Bidule Group which converts a single ProgChange command
> to the Note-On/Note-Off pair you'd need to operate the EDP.
>
>
> That would give you the ShortPress functionality,
> which is probably enough.
>
> I'll mail it to you if you want it.
>
>
>
> If you want to simulate a LongPress, you'll have to just convert to a
> single Note-On.
>
> andy butler
>
>
>
>
> andy butler wrote:
>
>> hi Marcus,
>> Unfortunately the edp needs a midi controller that sends something when
>> the switch is released, so one that only sends ProgCh (on the downpress) is
>> not going to work.
>>
>> This is because edp distinguishes between longpress and shortpress.
>> ..so you wouldn't be able to duplicate the exact working of an
>> edp with a footcontroller that had Note-On/Off
>>
>> Only way round would be to have seperate switches for the LongPress and
>> ShortPress
>> functions.
>> ( e.g. a LongPress of the Record button is Reset)
>>
>> For Shortpress, you'd need to convert PrgCh into a Note-On, Note-Off pair.
>> (right now, I don't see that Bidule can do that, but if you're really
>>  interested I'll go full out to find a way).
>>
>> Bidule is the host of choice for Matthias and myself,
>> it's great for live audio work,
>> but if you're just wanting to handle midi, I wonder if
>> there's something more suitable that would allow you to easily convert one
>> midi command into a midi string.
>>
>> andy butler
>>
>> ps
>> Why not just get an fcb1010? (just asking)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> marcus kirby wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know if anyone is familiar with plogue's 'bidule', but I have
>>> used it in the past, and it's a very advanced midi routing program.
>>> Essentially, I think that I could use a simple midi controller that only
>>> sends pcs, and translate those into specific velocity/channel/note controls,
>>> i.e. assign button 1 on my midi controller to trigger the release of a
>>> variable that triggers a function on the EDP.
>>>
>>> Anyone worked with bidule or think this is possible?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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<div dir="ltr">I never use the sustain function on the gibson footwsitch. I just set it to where I click once to turn on a function and once to turn off. Are the long/short presses applicable in my case?<br><br>I would definitely love to have the bidule group so that I can use my equipment that I already have.<br>
<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:01 AM, andy butler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
hi Marcus,<br>
<br>
Yep, it&#39;s possible to do this.<br>
<br>
I&#39;ve made a Bidule Group which converts a single ProgChange command<br>
to the Note-On/Note-Off pair you&#39;d need to operate the EDP.<br>
<br>
<br>
That would give you the ShortPress functionality,<br>
which is probably enough.<br>
<br>
I&#39;ll mail it to you if you want it.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
If you want to simulate a LongPress, you&#39;ll have to just convert to a single Note-On.<br><font color="#888888">
<br>
andy butler</font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
andy butler wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
hi Marcus,<br>
Unfortunately the edp needs a midi controller that sends something when the switch is released, so one that only sends ProgCh (on the downpress) is not going to work.<br>
<br>
This is because edp distinguishes between longpress and shortpress.<br>
..so you wouldn&#39;t be able to duplicate the exact working of an<br>
edp with a footcontroller that had Note-On/Off<br>
<br>
Only way round would be to have seperate switches for the LongPress and ShortPress<br>
functions.<br>
( e.g. a LongPress of the Record button is Reset)<br>
<br>
For Shortpress, you&#39;d need to convert PrgCh into a Note-On, Note-Off pair.<br>
(right now, I don&#39;t see that Bidule can do that, but if you&#39;re really<br>
&nbsp;interested I&#39;ll go full out to find a way).<br>
<br>
Bidule is the host of choice for Matthias and myself,<br>
it&#39;s great for live audio work,<br>
but if you&#39;re just wanting to handle midi, I wonder if<br>
there&#39;s something more suitable that would allow you to easily convert one midi command into a midi string.<br>
<br>
andy butler<br>
<br>
ps<br>
Why not just get an fcb1010? (just asking)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
marcus kirby wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I don&#39;t know if anyone is familiar with plogue&#39;s &#39;bidule&#39;, but I have used it in the past, and it&#39;s a very advanced midi routing program. Essentially, I think that I could use a simple midi controller that only sends pcs, and translate those into specific velocity/channel/note controls, i.e. assign button 1 on my midi controller to trigger the release of a variable that triggers a function on the EDP.<br>

<br>
Anyone worked with bidule or think this is possible?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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I've read that some folks are using Mobius and Live for looping. I'm trying to get that combination to work for me, but it seems more and more that there is no need for Live in this equation. Mobius just seems to do everything except for audio FX, which is why I guess some people use it within Bidule.

Anyone willing to explain how they use Mobius and Live together? I'd greatly appreciate it! I figured you would use Live so you could record loops in N many slots, but Mobius seems to have have plenty of those available...

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On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 7:32 PM, George Ludwig <sfmissionman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Anyone willing to explain how they use Mobius and Live together?
> I'd greatly appreciate it! I figured > you would use Live so you could record loops in N many slots, but > Mobius seems to have have plenty of those available...


Just open Mobius VST plug-in on an audio track in Live. Then set Live
pref's so external MIDI input, for your control of Mobius, will be
passed into the plug-in. Set up your MIDI bindings in Mobius and do
all the looping in Mobius and effect routing and mixing in Live.
That's the way I did use them together. Then I got bored by the
frequent crashes, since my computer was too slow, and I skipped over
Live to use Mobius standalone version for about two years. For effects
I was then using an external rack device, a TC Electronicscs FireworX.
My signal chain was: Instrument into TC into Mobius laptop. Mobius
sent out MIDI clock tempo sync signal which I routed by a physical
MIDI cable into the TC to have my effects slave to the tempo set by my
live looping. Then I had to sell the TC and started using Bidule as a
software host for Mobius and eight particular VST sound effect
plug-ins which I cabled up in Bidule to replicate the sound effect
patches I had been using the TC for. Those were my three Mobius
focused looping rigs so far. I'm still using the Bidule/Mobius combo
as my main rig.

What I mostly like with Live is its lovely reverb, particularly the
Freezeverb preset. What I dislike with Live is its inability to slave
sync well to Mobius set master tempo. What I like with Bidule is that
you can keep as many alternate effect chains hand as you prefer, since
the chains not in use will be muted and not taxing the CPU at all.

-- 
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Hey Simon, thanx for your interest, seems you overlooked the note on  
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http://aircushionfinish.kliklak.net
http://touchdonttouch.com
http://myspace.com/prinzenallee
=== visual ===
http://jayropinsky.kliklak.net/thingship


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> From: "projektGmail" <projekt67@gmail.com>
> Date: 1. September 2008 13:54:35 MESZ
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>
> I like your music, but no friends requests for bands?
>
> What kind of nonsense is that!!
>
>
> Simon | Projekt67



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banging on about!) can do this. it would be a simple enough matter to
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Buzap Buzap wrote:
> Zoe & all
> 
>>i'm very exited!
> 
> wow, exciting indeed. I've subscribed to the FCB list and looked at the "Radical Mod" description. This is exactly what I want! (and black finish is really nice... :-)
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/files/Hardware%20Mods/
> One more nice thing would be to have _optional_ connectors for 1-2 Roland EV5 Expression pedals.
> But I might use a software patch with audio I/O - the way Krispen described it via MAX/MSP - instead.
> 
> Thanks for the hint... one step closer to moving to software looping ;-)
> 
> Buzap
> 

I don't subscribe to that list.  AFAICT, it shouldn't be too difficult 
fitting a couple connectors for using other expression pedals with the 
fcb1010, as it has calibration routines build into it's software.
I don't know the ohm'ic range of it's buildin expression pedals, so I'd 
guess some external pedal will work, others not.
In any case you should use linial (volume) pedals, else you'll have all 
the action coming at the pedals end of sweep.


-- 
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van Sinn

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hi Marcus,

that's exactly the point,

as your midi controller isn't sending any command when the button is released,
the edp is going to assume you're still holding the button down.

In other words, the edp will *always* do a longpress without this workaround


I've sent the bidule group direct to you.
It converts ProgCh to a Note-On/ Note-Off pair.

( so it *should* work)


Open up the group for an explanation.




andy



marcus kirby wrote:
> I never use the sustain function on the gibson footwsitch. I just set it 
> to where I click once to turn on a function and once to turn off. Are 
> the long/short presses applicable in my case?
> 
> I would definitely love to have the bidule group so that I can use my 
> equipment that I already have.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:01 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk 
> <mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
>     hi Marcus,
> 
>     Yep, it's possible to do this.
> 
>     I've made a Bidule Group which converts a single ProgChange command
>     to the Note-On/Note-Off pair you'd need to operate the EDP.
> 
> 
>     That would give you the ShortPress functionality,
>     which is probably enough.
> 
>     I'll mail it to you if you want it.
> 
> 
> 
>     If you want to simulate a LongPress, you'll have to just convert to
>     a single Note-On.
> 
>     andy butler
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     andy butler wrote:
> 
>         hi Marcus,
>         Unfortunately the edp needs a midi controller that sends
>         something when the switch is released, so one that only sends
>         ProgCh (on the downpress) is not going to work.
> 
>         This is because edp distinguishes between longpress and shortpress.
>         ..so you wouldn't be able to duplicate the exact working of an
>         edp with a footcontroller that had Note-On/Off
> 
>         Only way round would be to have seperate switches for the
>         LongPress and ShortPress
>         functions.
>         ( e.g. a LongPress of the Record button is Reset)
> 
>         For Shortpress, you'd need to convert PrgCh into a Note-On,
>         Note-Off pair.
>         (right now, I don't see that Bidule can do that, but if you're
>         really
>          interested I'll go full out to find a way).
> 
>         Bidule is the host of choice for Matthias and myself,
>         it's great for live audio work,
>         but if you're just wanting to handle midi, I wonder if
>         there's something more suitable that would allow you to easily
>         convert one midi command into a midi string.
> 
>         andy butler
> 
>         ps
>         Why not just get an fcb1010? (just asking)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>         marcus kirby wrote:
> 
>             I don't know if anyone is familiar with plogue's 'bidule',
>             but I have used it in the past, and it's a very advanced
>             midi routing program. Essentially, I think that I could use
>             a simple midi controller that only sends pcs, and translate
>             those into specific velocity/channel/note controls, i.e.
>             assign button 1 on my midi controller to trigger the release
>             of a variable that triggers a function on the EDP.
> 
>             Anyone worked with bidule or think this is possible?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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>> One more nice thing would be to have _optional_ connectors for 1-2 
>> Roland EV5 Expression pedals.

>>
>> Buzap
>>
van Sinn wrote 
> I don't subscribe to that list.  AFAICT, it shouldn't be too difficult 
> fitting a couple connectors for using other expression pedals with the 
> fcb1010, as it has calibration routines build into it's software.
> I don't know the ohm'ic range of it's buildin expression pedals, so I'd 
> guess some external pedal will work, others not.
> In any case you should use linial (volume) pedals, else you'll have all 
> the action coming at the pedals end of sweep.

The fcb1010 pedals are Optical.

...but if you need the pedals,
why not leave them on  ;-)



andy



> 
> 

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To take that idea a step further, would it be possible to create FCB =20
modules of 4 or 6 pedals (2 rows each) or whatever, with options for =20
adding pedals as needed. Sort of a modular system. Sometimes I need =20
all ten with expression pedals, sometimes I can get away with 4 =20
pedals. That would be very cool.
On Aug 31, 2008, at 6:26 PM, info at zoekeating wrote:

> bob charest, who i found on the FCB list, is doing this for me =20
> right now!!! he's a professional musician in maine and has many =20
> talents...he posted photos of his pedal-removal job up the FCB =20
> group list and i was very impressed.
>
> anyway, he agreed to do it, and i shipped him a pedal for him to =20
> modify. the pedals are coming off and the power supply will go in a =20=

> little box that i'll mount in my rig (which will send power down a =20
> midi cable). there are other ways you could do the power thing, i =20
> decided that was the best option for me.
>
> i talked to him yesterday and he was just painting the finished =20
> product with a black flake finish (!!).
>
> i should get it this week. i asked him if he wanted to keep it a =20
> secret or not, but he says he is into the idea of this being a =20
> little sideline.
>
> i'm very exited!
>
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote:
>
>> Hi folks
>>
>> it would be kind of neat to have the Behringer FCB-1010 as a more =20
>> compact option _without_ expression pedals. And only take =20
>> additional pedals if you need them.
>>
>> Looking inside the FCB1010:
>> http://www.el34world.com/Misc/Music/images/IMG_0230.jpg
>> It could be actually possible: Cut the metal case off right where =20
>> the pedals begin, cut off the pedals, externalize the power supply.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Buzap
>> --=20
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Hey Warren,

>it would be useful to incorporate MIDI looping along with the audio looping

A very simple MIDI looper I use in MAX 4.6 works something like this.

Use a "clocker" object to timestamp incoming MIDI midi information.
Store that information in a "coll" object using the timestamp as the index.
Play back the "coll" by sending it the "clocker" output.

>maybe "New Edge Music" is a good way to pitch it, actually

Ha-Ha  The local alt rock radio station here in D/FW is KDGE,
"New Edge Music" is one of their call phrases.

Rick Williamson 

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