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Here's a meessage that I send to the Torn list a while back: From: rpeck@pure.com (Ray Peck) Subject: Door X, Issue 67 ! >>but am wondering if anybody knows of any sort of looping device (besides >the >>multiple tape recorders >>which I have unfortunately had to resort to) which can record multiple >loops OF >>DIFFERENT LENGTHS >>and then play these back simultaneously. I've been thinking about this since seeing DT last year in SF. I was thinking that if I were to try this sort of thing myself (which I'm far off from doing!), I'd want a Mac-based system that let me do multiple tracks, each with different loop times, and to be able to change them on the fly. Think of this sort of thing. Sorry if it doesn't make sense: it's kinda hard to explain. Mac. Screen. Panel of momentary and on/off footswitches and pedals (preferably with giant backlight LCD displays on each one that the software could program to say something meaningful). To start out a track, tap out a few beats on a footswitch. The system syncs, and shows a graphical metronome. Record the first track, tapping another switch for the beginning and end of the loop. You could immediately start recording the next loop (or wait 'till the next go-around), and could specify the length of the loop relative to the first one with a couple switches, by specifying a rational ratio between the lengths. Imagine two "increase the factional part" switches. numerator --------- denominator 1 tap gives you a second loop 1/2 or 2/1 as long, three taps gives you 2/3 or 3/2, etc. You could easily make loops that are 7/8 as long, or whaever, to get really interesting repeating patterns (cf. "Discipline"). The system would show you the waveform of what you've played, like Deck or any other digital audio recording SW does, so you could see what you were doing. You could automate effects, pans, level envelopes, or whatever, on the fly with footpedals. You could also fade loops in and out with pedals. The system could also use spare time, if it has any, to do pitch-to-sheet music conversion so you could *really* see what you were doing. A PowerMac could do all this with no additional hardware (although you might want a Digidesign AudioMedia card for better a/d d/a). Deck will do 8 tracks off of the hard disk on the slowest PowerMac (my 6100/60). Should be easy to do tons of tracks out of DRAM. Now. . . Would anyone buy it?