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Sorry kids. That looked awful when I saw it come back. Re-formatted for better reader mental processing. Re: Moo: Why not Moo? Moo is the cow sound. Looping it becomes an OM like reverberance. Re: VHS HiFi Head Switching Noise: Odd. Can anyone shed light on this occurrence? I'm not hearing this on mine, even in headphones but I might not be as audio anal as some. Loop Storage: Just to give you an idea regarding how I store the loops is like this. My profuse apologies to DAT fans, but I don't have DAT yet (and likely won't for a while, I'd much rather have an Echoplex!)...Here's how to store loops on VHS hi-fi videotapes. Take the RCA line-outs from the mixer of my four-track into the front-mounted RCA jacks on my VCR. Use decent, shielded RCA cables, not "chez Plastic" brand for the best signal transfer. Note: Make sure your recording levels are not going to be going into the red. Remember that most VCRs have an analog preamp for this kind of thing and you might want to avoid creaming it or your tape WILL sound bad. A good way of monitoring the sound levels is to insert a stereo cassette deck with LED / flourescent metering AFTER the VCR to adjust levels on the 4-track recorder. Another way I do it is this way, which is a bit more complicated: 4-track to Barcus-Berry Sonic Maximizer, BBE into VCR, after the VCR we have the aforementioned JVC cassette deck for level monitoring and from there into a Rotel integrated amplifier and from there into headphones or my monitor system. The BBE process some of you may be familiar with, but it adds some audio sweetening. If I really want to get into a complicated territory, I can add my complete looping rig into the effects loop of the four track recorder for additional processing (Vortex / SGE / Studio Preamp, ad infinitum).. Start the VCR recording on a fresh, good quality (not cheapie tapes, the good stuff). Before recording, take the new tape and fast forward all the way to the end and rewind. Record for five minutes silence in order to get a good header on the tape (what are you crying about missing five minutes for? The tape stores eight hours fer chrissakes...) Record loops. Play back. Enjoy. Store them. You could also create EXTREMELY long loops (like the end of "Walking on Air" by King Crimson in concert - Fripp would set his loopers to peter out long after he left the auditorium....but set maximum loopage for loops that last HOURS...) Some video tapes are 8-9 hours in length, you could create maxloop! But for the most part. NOTE: the longer the tape, the riskier the long term storage of same. The 120 tapes which are 6 hours in length are probably safest. You should use the standard methods of how tapes are to be stored, but I doubt you'll need to store them tails-out as it were. Be safe rather than sorry, I caveat triumphantly. Kim: You finally did it. I gotta get an echoplex. I'm going bananas. By next spring, by hook or by crook. Agk.