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On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Tom Attix* wrote: > > also, are there any amp designers/builders among us? > > I'd spoken with matthias about this before. > > I've been poking the idea around. A nice all tube stereo amp (for my > Stick). I suspect I'm going end up building something more like a PA >than > a guitar amp. Do you know of any good sources for schematics? > > -Tom Attix I'd say your choice of amps and speakers is highly dependent on the manner in which you intend to present the music. Is this for a home studio, or live playing? Since you're playing Stick, you're going to need to hit some REALLY low bass notes. There are two ways to approach this. One is to use a heavy-duty biamped system with big subwoofers to capture those low fundamentals (a Stick tuned down to low A produces a 27.5hz fundamental!) where typical speakers (especially guitar speakers) crap out. Another is to just roll off that fundamental octave and concentrate on a tight sound (this is why the old Ampeg SVT bass amps with the 8 10" speakers sounded so great. They rolled the fundamental right off, and just reproduced the first order harmonic of the low notes. The amp and speakers weren't overstressed and sounded much tighter). Here's where you'll have problems with tubes. The power requirements for those low notes are enormous. The odds are you'll see power supply sag and its attendant distortion, which may or may not be a Good Thing, depending on your POV. Personally, I want as little coloration as possible after my effects chain and looping devices, and I think most would agree with me here. So unless you're willing to buy or build tube amps big enough to handle the bottom end of the Stick without distortion (well over 100 watts), you'll have to limit your volume, deal with distortion, etc. Solid state amps won't have the power problem. Yeah, they don't sound as transparent and nice as tubes, but you can get big 400w monsters for reasonable money that will drive a 15" vented subwoofer to deafening volumes without excessively coloring the sound. Getting to the point, I'd say the best approach by far for a Stick player would be bi-amping, especially for playing live. The Stick has a ridiculously wide range compared to most instruments. You need something that can handle the deep low notes without compromising the low-midrange fundamentals that make the higher registers punchy. Use an active crossover to split the signal before amplification. Use a high-powered solid-state amp and the best subwoofers you can afford to get the bass. Then use good studio monitors to handle everything over 120hz or so (you'll definitely want to play with the crossover here for best balance). Tubes might help the higher stuff, but there are other problems. Again, I'm presuming you're looking for a clean, transparent sound, not guitar-like distortion. This means an audiophile tube amp, not a guitarist tube amp. If you want a roadworthy system for live performance, you'll have a problem. Audiophile isn't meant to be lugged around all over, and isn't mechanically robust like PA equipment. Older tube PA stuff distorts as bad (good!) as guitar amps. And you'll still want high power, even though tubes sound best at lower power ratings. High-powered guitar-oriented pentode amps might give you clean power at moderate volume. But MOSFET power amps have much of the smoothness of clean tubes without the hassle. Do NOT believe vendor specifications when looking for an amplifier! Let your ears be the judge. Amp specs are made in a pseudo-scientific vacuum by treating the speaker load as a simple 8 ohm RC circuit with negligible capacitance (this is electronics geek stuff. Skip it if you don't understand). Speakers are NOT simple RC circuits, they are complex, reactive devices that generate electrical distortion as well as sonic distortion, and interact in unpredictable (and probably unmeasurable) ways with the amplifier negative feedback loop. The upshot of this is that the speaker/amplifier combination is a single system, not two separate systems, and it should be judged as such. (as an aside in this already excessively long post, I think the problems with the electrical behavior of speakers in the negative feedback loop of the amplifier are the reason tubes sound "better" than transistors, despites theoretically inferior specs. This has to do with the relatively low gain and high impedance of tube output stages compared to transistors reduces the effects of speaker-generated electrical distortion. The Tubeworks MosValve power amps emulate tube gain and impedance structures with MOSFETs, and sound VERY good, at least for simulating the distortion of tube guitar amp power stages. But I digress severely) Still with me? Wow! Again, look into bi-amping, using a big solid-state amp to drive subwoofers to get the low end of your Stick, and use good monitors to get the highs. Whether tubes will improve the sound of the monitors is a subjective call... let your ears guide you. Think about performance conditions... playing volume, touring needs, etc, and balance your needs for clarity/low distortion, mechanical robustness, and volume. Even a simplistic bi-amped solution should buy you better sound than tubes will. But tubes might sweeten it even more. By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.leepfrog.com */ -Charles Fort /* http://www.leepfrog.com/~dstagner */