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I noticed from the looper index that several folks were interested in Indian Classical music. This is exciting to me -- and I would like to start a thread in this direction, beacuse I feel that this music (ie. the premises behind this music) is very condusive to looping. [I'm sure traditional Indian classicalists will shout "blasphemy" for this statement, since improvisation is such an important part of the music -- but I don't think that looping and improvisation need be mutually exclusive -- I'm sure many of you will agree with me on this, as many of you have stated the desire for continuously altering or varying loops, instead of using pure repetition]. Let me describe briefly what I understand as the basis of (North) Indian classical music: 1. The music is based primarily on rhythmic and melodic content, not harmonic (as in the European tradition). 2. The rhythmic aspect of a piece is based upon a "tal", or rhythmic cycle. This is defined by a pulse tempo and a number, where the number represents the number of pulses in the rhythmic cycle. Most Indian music uses cycles of 24, 16, 12, 10, 8, 7, or 6, but any number (integer > 1) is theoretically OK. The "one" or first beat of the rhythm cycle is called the "sum". The key to musical interaction is for all the musicians involved to hit the sum. Within the rhythm cycle, the musicans may go off separately, with incredible rhythmic complexity and improvisation, but you can be sure that he will end up (along with the other musicians) right back on the sum. 3. The melodic aspect of a piece is based upon a "raga". A raga can be thought of simplistically, as a melodic scale, but it is more than that. Often, there will be a "ascending" and "descending" scale, meaning the performer will play one set of notes when ascending in pitch, and a (slightly) different set of notes, when descending. There is more to a raga than just the notes, though -- you can have two different ragas using the same notes, by having different "tal's", or even by virtue of the way they are performed (ie. the themes used) -- and this seems to be tied in to the "emotional impact" or feel of the raga. 4. Within these rhythmic and melodic constraints, the performer is free to improvise, and to embellish basic themes -- so no two performances are the same!! To me, this is a major distinction between the Indian and European classical traditions. I don't mean to oversimplify the rich complexity of Indian classical music -- there are many other forms, structures, and aspects to the music (I'm sure plenty, of which, I am not aware). But I mainly wanted to present the basic rhythmic nature of the music. So, since the whole concept is based on the rhythm CYCLE, you can see why this may be condusive to looping. By combining multiple loops of various lengths, there will always be a sum (ie. beat "one"), which will occur at the GCM (greatest common multiple) of the individual loop beats. Improvisation would surely be different than in a classical raga, but there is plenty of room for improvisation using current loopers. Each loop can be generated spontaneously, and then multiple loops can be combined in different ways. I'll write more later about using Indian music ideas with loopers/delays. I'm curious what others have to say on this topic... - chris --------------------------------------- Chris Chovit cho@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov ---------------------------------------