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>For this i have clues. I think it did ot ONLY started with tapes. I saw a >video about composers in france in the beginning of the sixties, they had >a whole laboratory that was to grow into an experimental plublic funded >center od research on music and technologie with VERY state of the art >technologie (like a using a Cray computer, wich far is from my Mac for >the moment). They had an old analog sequencer that weighted 200 Kg I >think, and they did loops with.... Vinyls! They had old black records with >many looped on it. The record did not play from beginning to end but had >each track(drill?) with a loop. Long ones on the beginning of the record, >little ones in the end. They stacked up to 8 phono at a time... >Hell I don't remember the name of this thinb Boulez set in motion it was >like Centre d'etude et de recherche musicale or something... > Yeah, grab some more information! France was always very advanced in electronic music due to institues like IRCAM. They certainly looped a lot of weird sounds there! Matthias