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Ted and Joe -- Wow, what an interesting pair of approaches. It seems to me that having a mass pre-show setup scenario would solve a lot of problems, and also make for a much more interesting environment. My own sense is that this "sort" of music (if we can make that kind of generalization) is better served in a more immersive space rather than in a club or bar. What do other people think about this? The next step, of course, is to try and find a place in LA/San Fran to facilitate this sort of approach... Great ideas, keep 'em coming! --Andre