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I saw the Mermen in Boston a few months ago. I'd heard great things about them from a friend in San Fran. I couldn't believe the amount of equipment the guitarist had with him! Basically two refrigerator sized racks and many many floor pedals (eg., four earnie ball volume controlers) running in a stereo set-up. Oh yes, he has two echoplexes. And a few Fenderesque guitars each with Synth pick-ups. Basically, there were two lines of thought circulating among the many musicians in attendance: 1. "Wow, I'd love to have that much cool outboard gear." 2. "Wow, I'd be embarassed to have so much outboard gear, and still only sound like I was using an analog 2-second delay." Some subtle looping did occure, but mostly not. David Kirkdorffer