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I don't think anyone's posted this yet, so... Has anyone checked out the Zoom 8080? It supposedly has 4 SECONDS of built-in delay, plus one of the footswitches is dedicated to tap/hold functions - ie it looks like a 4-sec looper on board. If that function takes off, maybe the next generation of processos will all have loopers built in - certainly it's not difficult to see the 9090/GT6/RP20 or whatever having 8 or more seconds. Looping for the masses? soon they'll all be at it, and we'll be just foices in the crowd.... Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Everything in moderation, including moderation" (Zen Proverb)