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Well I tried to make a simple blanket statement about a very complex situation and it seems that I opened a big can of worms. Has Lexicon made mistakes? Yes, of course. We did try to create interest in the JAMMAN and Vortex. These products did not sell at 1/3 of the rate as the ALEX or REFLEX. Yes there were forecasting problems. Does Lexicon owe it to the community to keep products in the product line? I don't think so. Is Lexicon run by musicians? I wish. Is a discussion of corporate politics really very relevant to this list? I don't believe so but I suppose it is debatable. I do not get it. Which would be worse? The fact that we stopped shipping these products or if they were never made? I was warned when I arrived at this list that John Durant was almost railroaded off of this list. Well his interest in the art of looping has kept him here. I am not running away as I am used to taking the punishment for the actions of others(it has been my job for a long time.) But lets not waste time with this issue. It would be more constructive(and interesting) to discuss what everybody would like to see in the next generation of dedicated(or not) looping technology. Maybe if we are all good on the karmic scale Lexicon or Oberheim(or Roland or Alesis) might answer our prayers. Thank you and best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499