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Dear Loopers, Usually I lurk behind Bryan while reading this group, but I did wish to respond to the "visual looping" query. I'm Sarajane, and I work in polymer clays. Like some of you, my work is non-electric, manual formation of repetitive patterns. I use a process called caning, in which colored clays are placed to form visual images, then squeezed and manipulated into a long tube of clay, which can be sliced to form hundreds of intricate repititions. These repeat images can be further manipulated, distorted, cut, or added to, used to build further patterns in progressions...sound familiar? We have used some of my polymer work make visual images for Bryan, and Dave Stafford's, use as tape cover art, t shirts (well, two of 'em) and there is a mosaic piece (using thousands of sliced pieces) on the Bindlestiff website that is a fully encrusted and beaded guitar. (Bryan says its's some of his best work on guitar. Certainly it is the loudest.) There is a certain synchronicity between this loopgroup and the polyclay group that I also read...everything from the "art-vs-entertainment" thread to the superiority of convection ovens when baking plastics has an audio- to- visual equivalent.... Thank you all for being such an interesting group to read. Sarajane Helm