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Bill has been using an Electro-harmonix 16 sec. delay for years which allows him to freely detune, reverse and generally pervert his guitar loops in concert. This devise is a "collector's item" now and the only ones I've found in the last few years have been > 1500.00$ ! I hope Kim and Motley and other delay hardware designers are checking out all the interest in the ability to detune loops in performance! The only devise I have that can do it is my delta lab Echotron (which is why I was interested in expanding the memory a few weeks ago thanks to all who replied!) Curtis Bahn crb@music.princeton.edu