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has anyone here on the list seen the david torn instructional videos? i'm still pretty new at looping but have a fairly firm grasp on signal processing; would these be of worth ($69+) to me? what do they cover, and are they more theory based or just the "look what cool sound i get out of this cool box" type thing? on to more real loopy stuff... has anyone here ever seen the Joni Mitchell concert video Shadows and Light? Her band at the time was michael brecker, don elias, lyle mays, pat metheny, and the monster known as jaco pastorious. jaco's solo takes advantage of the lexicon(judging by the blue on the box) delay to build a quick loop to blow over. it's really cool, grooving(of course), and jaco just has the technology dialed in. warning:this solo does not appear on the cd! sorry to bring up the zoom 508 again, but... if you were to pony up for the expression pedal to go with it, what parameters are controlable by it? feedback, delay level, delay time? is it's output true stereo? could delays be panable? i have for a while been considering two parallel signal chains fed by a panning pedal allowing me to mix (or ultimately choose one of) two considerably different sounds on the fly-kind of the poor man's morphing, only not so processor dependent/intensive. btw, has any heard the zoom 507 reverb pedal as well? and now for the big kahuna- what is it that all of us are trying to achieve by looping? i'm really interested in the sounds coming out of this group. Atmospheres? Textures? "Sound Carpets"? Precision Pointillism? Industrial Indigestion? or more of the compositional types of multiple loops created on the fly and then swapped between? in other words a way to build traditional sections of composition to be arranged. i realize this predates the looper's cd, but i think it would be cool for us to get an idea of what's going on with all this equipment and talent and ... personally i'm still struggling with all the abilities of the 'plex and the timing of using next loop-so i'm concentrating more on the single loop. it's amazing how varied the result can be by taking different approaches (chordal, linear, heavy, ethereal, synchronized, chaos). i am constantly just letting it go onto tape. (i'm spending all weekend in the california mountains to go through them all!)