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Hi all, This issue may fit in with the looping intro thread. I use a loop device that does not have midi sync or tap tempo for setting delay time. I only have knobs. When I first started looping, I often had problems with getting the delay(record) time to match up with the tempo (beats/minute) and meter(number of beats/measure) of my musical ideas. I would often spend alot of time tweaking knobs and changing my idea until the machine and my idea agreed. Then of course I would come up with another and go through the process again. :-( I am sure there is a process or formulae for solving this problem, but I havent come up with a satisfactory solution yet (I am still compromising my musical ideas to fit the machine). To clarify, here is an example: How much delay time would it take to create a 2 bar groove in 7/4 at 100 beats/minute? Just the facts 'mam: 14 beats at 100 beats/minute 100 beats/minute = 1.7 beats/second 14 * 1.7 = 23.8 seconds Unfortunately I've got 8 seconds max with my machine. I would rather not get out the pen, paper and calculator just to get a simple groove going. How do you folks deal with this problem? Later, Hayden Porter hporter@uakron.edu