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Hi There... David wrote: "... I think one of the challenges ambient music poses to newbie listeners is "how to listen" to something that is not fitting into a known format. I believe it's the same challenge classical, jazz and folk music may pose to a typical top-40 trained ear." I have to agree with that - I had an experience with a friend who was staying over one night. I put on a piece I did that involved re-recording, at a higher tape record speed, a piece on guitar on an answering-machine cassette in a four-track, mixed through an octave divider, reverb, and Bob knows what else. The result was a bit grainy and stomach-twisting when listened to, but he went to sleep to it when he stopped listening... Then there's Robert Fripp's experiences at the Queen Elizabeth Hall on the South Bank here in London - not the hall itself, but the foyer! I was there, and Robert described it pretty accurately in the liner notes to his November Suite (*****): some people sat on chairs roughly facing the guitar, drinking beer and espresso, talking, reading, sleeping, babies crying, along with performers and public wandering into and out of the hall. (There was some dance performance on there that the audience in chairs on the stage and the performers dancing along the aisles..!) So, we see what you mean..! Is anybody here familiar with the work of Paul Schutze*? I have his double CD "Apart" (AMBT6), released on the Virgin Ambient label like their compilations. He's definitley using some form of looping there, but I can't honestly say whether it's looping in the audio domain or loop-on-record mode on a sequencer linked to a sampler. Does anybody have any more detail that can't be found on the web? I'm fast becoming a fan - "Apart" reminds me of the best bits of "FFWD" (The Orb + Fripp), with echoes of Sylvian & Czukay, or a bit like Mr. Torn at half-speed! Lastly,, have any of you seen the Ensoniq ASR-X? Seens to be similar in concept to teh Aki Remix16 mentioned here recently, but might be more "musical". 20-bit A/D! Or their DP/Pro, which does have "tap" buttons and a "Loop Recorder" setting like the Lexicon MPX-1, but under three seconds memory in stereo mode? Reading you guys gives me an attack of GAS - that's Gear Avarice Syndrome for the unwary! Cheers, Brian Thomson, London UK bnt@ibm.net * yes, I know about the umlaut! Don't trust the character sets... ***** Five Stars. Stunning! Hi There... (oops! hit that loop fade switch!)