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Howdy Folks, The recent threads of "music description" and "what do they hear?" ,along with the associated responses, have prompted me to thunk a thawt or two about my own reationship with looping......not that I can manage a very objective position in the process..... but here goes. I started looping publicly as I recall in 1979 in a duo with me on a Wurlitzer Electric Piano and electric 6-string and my partner on electric guitar and fretless bass(thru an analog Echoplex), routed through 2 half track reel to reels at 7 1/2 IPS (positioned at varying distances apart with the microphone-stand/capstan technique) and looping the signal back thru my Space Echo. I wonder why I ever thought that I should perform this stuff live in public and quite honestly 18 years later, having played parties, talent shows,record stores, art gallerys,coffeehouses,chiropractors offices, open mike nights, college lunch rooms,store openings, and some gigs I've probably forgotten,..I still wonder. Not that I could ever stop looping, privately that is...but public performances of ambient works particularly, often point out the inherent hazards of being the purveyour of a style that if done well, is per Eno, "as ignorabe as it is listenable". The more rhythmic nuances brought into play, the more readily received the work is as a rule. Really subtle stuff is for the most part not capable of being discerned in live performance situations, even if you ban the blended drink noise, a la Fripp. Marrying your sound to another media helps some people to relate to the music, regardless of how random the relationship may be in actual design. The soundtrack "bin label" is viable since that's where the average person has encountered music of this style and dynamic. The movie is also the last place they shut off their internal dialogue, in a relatively quiet space, while being exposed to a industry standard sound system.....it helps alot. If the world of sound you're looking to augment with music, is like many people's in this society, then music of this style is of limited purpose for you. Some "new age" business locals ( chiropractors, birthing centers,) utilize this style of music to enhance their office atmosphere, but live performance is of limited need or use.Indeed as I think about it ,my last live gig was 2 years ago this coming October for an artist's reception at a gallery in Denver. I suppose that this vexation in booking gigs is ongoing for all artists dealing in esoteric styles, but sometimes it seems that the devices we use can create an uneasy aspect for the audience to appreciate as being a "live" performance. Unique textures we love, simply don't always translate to someone who simply wants to see you "play" your instrument , and there are a surprising number of these people out there. After noticing people putting their heads down on the tables to enjoy the music, one coffeehouse told me that people didn't order as much when we played, not a marketeting plus, for that kind of venue. Considerations such as these along with the personal cost aspect of performing ,by definition, "unpopular" music make for a persuasive argument to keep this music in the studio. The pay to play reality is harder to come to terms with as my family and I get older. The number of artists who manage to achieve any degree of sucess from their loop related work (of a non-ambient vein) is growing as the technology gets more familiar to the listening public. However I don't feel the same optimism for the ambient side of the loop house, as it where. The audience for real, delicate,and thoughtful loop texturing is a limited one, probably containing more than a few fellow loopers in it's ranks. In that loopers are good listeners, that's not a bad thing, however the tour attendance figures could be a bit small. Perhaps it's just a twisted marketing ploy away... Batman battles the "Loopster"...thrill to the stage magic and kinetic thrills of "Loopdance"...one ticket----two stages-- 17 different loop artists, it's "Loopalooza 98"......then every kid will want a hand held portable looper as seen in "Home Alone '98-Looped Again". After all... to the uneducated ear a closed loop sounds the same as a constantly triggered sample...right? I have surely digressed..pardon the ramble..loop on. Sincerely, Bryan Helm