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In a message dated 8/4/97 7:29:35 PM, you wrote: <<I took the empty open box (without its lid), put it upside down on a very smooth stony surface, and moved it along, pressing a little which produced a sad, unstable sound a little bit like a muffled trumpet. For a few seconds I could produce a stable pitch which then broke into pieces. >> This sounds so cool! Reminds me of something Adolf Wolfi would do while creating away in the institution he was locked up in in Switzerland. There must be many stories out there like this. Jim Portland OR