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Kim- Your original post had hung in my inbox and although toast on friday night from work i reckon imma gonna chime in. I had joined the delight eons ago for about two weeks when under the weight of some rather trainspotterish gearheadedry i dropped the list... for me all the gear and knobs and whatsits have been a means to an end and not an end in and of itself. i didn't even think the list again until david torn had forwarded on to me (god bless his little heart :)) a posting he had sent here about trying to take the medium outside of its confines... as per usual for dt really thoughtful and thought provoking stuff. So here I am back again. And I'm glad I missed the as you say "who's better guitarists, dj's, or bassoonists" flame fest" that happened...but what I would love to hear is how non guitarists are using these tools when the majority have been made with guitarists in mind...I use my guitar for looping about 10% of the time I would imagine. for me the true joy of looping is that it has allowed me the ability to create what I call "hologram" music which 1. is composed of sounds that are, represent, or will remind people of something and 2.a section of it shows the larger structure.... salam, buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com