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In a message dated 9/20/97 1:08:27 PM, you wrote: <<Mike Lyon must have been "lying." >> Mike Lyon is a major psychotic liar that lied and bullshitted his way to his position with Oberheim. He has single handedly put off more customers and dealers than anyone else at that company. He lied to me and kept me waiting for the upgrade for two (yes two) years. I had two units that would not work in stereo because of a known software glitch that he just played dumb about. I've never experienced a worse run company than Oberheim. I really hope that Gibson solves the problems over there and saves this company and some of the great products they market. The people that create these products and the people that put their faith in them and buy them deserve a lot better. My question to Gibson: Who the hell was responsible for not properly overseeing this company? And who on earth was responsible for hiring such a complete goon as Mike Lyon? The Echoplex is a great product and it deserve a lot better than this. Jim