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Lo tech looping? These days, I mostly "loop" on an acoustic guitar! I start with some simple repetitive sound, then add another sound, and another, and another. The "loop" length of each sound varies, but the pattern is the same. So what I get is a textural improvisation, involving layers of unique sounds in repeating patterns... looping. All with no electronics whatsoever. Mick Karn, who often plays bass with David Torn, uses a very similar technique on fretless bass. Wonderful lines. It starts with just a couple of notes, and eventually grows into a blur of slides, pops, and snorts. I must confess, though, that I'm starting to itch for electronics again. If I can find the time, I might build a nice stereo tube amp for my acoustic guitar, something that complements the tone. And finally, I've been listening lately to a fairly primitive looping album... "The Big Industry", by Roger Miller. It was the start of his "Maximum Electric Piano" work. He used a Yamaha electric baby grand (the kind with strings), with Cage-style preparations, a volume pedal, and a couple of fuzz boxes for a tone source. For looping, he used a simple analog delay and a classic E-H 16 Second Delay. Amazing stuff. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort