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Just get a delay. ANY delay. Used Digitech and Boss delays with up to two seconds of memory are dirt cheap, well under $100. The little Zoom delay thing costs less than $150, and is programmable, tap tempo, etc. You do NOT need an Oberheim Echoplex or a full-blown tape looping rig in order to do looping! A cheap stomp box with infinite repeat is enough to get you started. My first looper didn't even have that... it was just a Boss pitch shifter/delay with 1.7 seconds of delay. Made a lot of good music with it. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort