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Loopers, friends, fellows! I've been a lurker on this list for 'bout a month now and to convince myself that I'm not a *complete* nerd I decided that I had to contribute something. So here goes: The reason i originally joined in on this digest was to learn something about looping, anything about looping. when I subscribed last month, I knew nothing more than what the word implied and that it was used by Mr Fripp in several records, including the much loved "That which passes". Being somewhat of a musician (vocalist and emergency keyboardist in a rock band currently going weird, much to my amusement), I decided I had to learn how to do this cool thing that I didn't know anything about. So, I read about tape loops, digital loops, and so on. After I thought I had an idea abou this looping business I went and tested a zoom 508, and was convinced that it is an enchanted pedal. The testing was made with pops, smacks and other weird noises you make with your mouth that were made into a rhytmic loop, three tones (the C-major chord) and, over that a finnish Kalevala chant (which was not looped). But, alas, 4 seconds is not enough! What couldn't I do with 8 or even 16!!! So, here is my dilemma: Where to get an 8/16 sec looping device fairly cheaply (under $500 [=2500 FIM])? Being a student, a trip out of scandinavia is quite out of the question. Mail order perhaps? What I want is nothing overly fancy, it would be nice to be able to store a couple of loops on the device, perhaps reversing them, perhaps even something extra nice 'n cool. So, please tell me (I think by private email, this discussion probably doesn't dazzle any of the more experienced loopers with either originality or relevance), what device would suit me that's available either in Finland or by mail order. Thank you very much for making music relevant, John Soderholm (boppo@dlc.fi) P.S. If anybody happens to see a band called pHosDIc having a gig somewhere please come in and enjoy yourself.