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Thank you for the info. This seems like a sensible solution, but I still wish the mixer manufacturers would take into account the non-miking crowd and today's effect racks. With the prices being what they are for quality processing, I'm sure there are many people out there who own several rack devices. Gone are the days of pedal settups and noisy daisy chaining. Inserts are OK, but what if you want to use the same effect on a few channels at a time? D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N jndk@colba.net http://www.total.net/~alien8/Kristian.html