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Of interest to loopers within the context of this thread might be the DenonDN-M2000R which is a minidisc recorder with five cue points per track, hot start, and the same A-B seamless loop playback circutry and front end that is in the DF2500 dual cd playback system. I have been using the equivalent circut in the DMX-1000 "DJ" style mixer just because it has a bunch of real time looping features that I can't get with either my Boomarang, echoplex, or jamman. The interface design is very straight forward and lends itself to interactions that are not simply of the style that the designers intended. This comment worth exactly $.02. Scot Gresham-Lancaster email: scot@csuhayward.edu ph: 510-885-3150 fax: 510-885-3146 www: tesla.csuhayward.edu/~scot = meat tesla.csuhayward.edu/~scot/sglbio.html = bio