Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully...LETS TRY !

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<P><FONT SIZE=-2>Sean T Barrett wrote:</FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE><FONT SIZE=-2>>Could latency be overcome in part
by having everything run to some kind of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>>Sync track, the way JamMan handles phrased loops; 
ultimately
everyone would</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>>be out of sync but by exactly 1/2/4 bars or whatever.
If the latency is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>>exactly the size of a repeated unit (a loop, 4 bars,
whatever) the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>>musicians will sound in time, though may not _be_ 
in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>>time.</FONT><FONT SIZE=-2></FONT>

<P><FONT SIZE=-2>This is pretty much how I picture it could work.&nbsp;
Basically,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>everybody has a little software synthesizer playing a
bunch</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>of loops, one per musician.&nbsp; You update your loop,
and it</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>gets transmitted to all the other musicians.&nbsp; (Ok,
before you</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>technical folk jump on me, for network bandwidth reasons,
if</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>there's more than two of you, that synthesizer might
actually</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>be a remote host--that is, do it client/server where
I've just</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>described peer-to-peer.)</FONT><FONT SIZE=-2></FONT>

<P><FONT SIZE=-2>They hear the loop change properly, but delayed from 
when</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>you made the change.&nbsp; Of course, it's not just 
"delayed";</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>because they make a change, and you hear THAT 
change</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>delayed, and a third party hears both your changes at
the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>_same_ time...</FONT><FONT SIZE=-2></FONT>

<P><FONT SIZE=-2>Here, let me give you an almost concrete 
description:</FONT><FONT SIZE=-2></FONT>

<P><FONT SIZE=-2>You only change your loop a few times, and we'll 
name</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>each varation "a" or "b" etc, so you play</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>&nbsp;a a a b b c c c d d</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>and meanwhile we'll call his variations "1" or "2" 
etc...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>&nbsp;1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5</FONT><FONT SIZE=-2></FONT>

<P><FONT SIZE=-2>But you don't hear the other guy's change for one 
loop,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>you would hear:</FONT><FONT SIZE=-2></FONT>

<P><FONT SIZE=-2>&nbsp; a a1 a1 b2 b2 c3 c3 c4 d4 d5 5</FONT><FONT 
SIZE=-2></FONT>

<P><FONT SIZE=-2>and he would hear</FONT><FONT SIZE=-2></FONT>

<P><FONT SIZE=-2>&nbsp; 1 a1 a2 a2 b3 b3 c4 c4 c5 d5 d</FONT><FONT 
SIZE=-2></FONT>

<P><FONT SIZE=-2>So if these were each a full loop long, and the 
changes</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>were gradual, the differences would probably not 
interfere</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>too much with your ability to cooperate.&nbsp; The 
question
is,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>what version is the "definitive" take?&nbsp; Everyone
hears</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>things differently, and _nobody_ hears the obvious</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>"simultaneous" version a1 a1 a2 b2 b3 c3 c4 c4 d5 
d5.</FONT><FONT SIZE=-2></FONT>

<P><FONT SIZE=-2>Sean Barrett</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
&nbsp;
<BR>Great...&nbsp;&nbsp; Just when I thought I'd figured out how to play
an instrument along with four or five other guys successfully you'all turn
around and make intercontinental jamspace a reality....&nbsp; back to 
school...
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Interesting point about what would be the definitive
jam.... who would hear what, etc....&nbsp; I wonder how one would go about
transposing this information.... Would all players be restricted to certain
keys&nbsp; or is dissonance kinda the point...&nbsp; I understand there
are a lot of us all around the globe w/ different interpretations of this
idea (and you all seem to know what you're talking about, which in my case
isn't entirely true...), but how would you tackle the simple problems posed
by Western and Eastern scales, frequencies theat don't mix 
etc....&nbsp;&nbsp;
Time latencies that cause changes in the structure of the jam.... IE:Some
guy in holland playing cello loops in 7/11 while a young woman in Kyoto
is going crazy in one of those traditional tunings that was posted the
other day ( except shes not even in a time signature at all...) and ( all
along) Some musical genius in Topeka is playing several instruments (by
himself) (because he can!:)) all in different time signna/......

<P>I figure ya get the picture.....&nbsp;&nbsp; I am not seeing how this
would work in all cases.... there would be a luck factor.... yes/no?

<P>bye bbye
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