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Oh, by the way--i can spell--both "customer" and "Mackie" . . .just seeing if anyone reads these things Another thing I just thought of for those who are mixer shopping is their free totally EXCELLENT catalog (dude) which is more informative than some manufacturors owner's manuals I learned a lot about mixing cables, input levels and effects routing when I got one not to mention why their mixers are a litlle more $ and why alot of people try to copy their designs . . . call 800.898.3211 Oh, and their owners manuals are a picture of clarity, without being stuffy--actually humorous in stretches--NONE of these incomprehensible, labored translations, e.g. "for bestest sound clearness, traffic wires ending in XLR outlets give lasting shiny mix, Imperialist,round-eye . . ." No, Mackie DID NOT put me up to this--Yes, I wuv Mackie Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net