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David- Thanks for the extremely useful information. I have been searching for a way to explain what the future could be (and share some of my new-found excitement about looping) with some of the powers that be here at Oberheim. It has recently occurred to me, (and I apologize for the naivete)that looping is the "found link" between "live" and "recorded" music. It is a truly "Live Recording". As you are well aware, the amount of interest shown in new technologies by corporations consumed with "doing what it is we really do" is directly proportional to the bottom line, and sometimes even the whimsy of Management. That Lexicon bailed on the JamMan or that we at Oberheim have been at a loss on how to market what is essentially a new instrument is not really surprising, given the fact that every dollar spent needs to be accounted for. Virtually no one that works here (Gibson)has heard of you, or Fripp, or DJ Spooky, or any non-mainstream (whatever that means) artist, based on my informal poll. That is not to say that we have ignorant, uninformed dullards walking around here, merely that their realm of experience lays comfortably upon the bed of the familiar names and faces we all know and love. What Artist Relations person would walk into a Marketing meeting with a Polytown CD and actually convince the group that this was the future and that Slash and Ace and Joe and Jimmy and B.B were passe, or at least only part of the picture? It does not happen. I am currently creating a "Looping Manifesto" to attempt to describe what possibilities are out there for Oberheim/Gibson. This is a new world, one that many will be certain is flat or at best temporary. It is now my feeling that if we do not create a market for Looping, it will remain a cultural, fringe anomaly. Eventually the visionaries will give up, sell off their ideas or have them revert back to them undeveloped. The Echoplex is a powerful tool, still in it's infancy, I hope. I know Kim is looking for Oberheim to get behind it, push it, market it or just understand it. Your suggestion of giving clinics is wonderful. Who can do them? I have been to/given many clinics that are basically a hot player burning through a few tunes and taking Q & A afterwards. This is fine, for what it is. The direct interface of fans to heroes is rare enough. However, a clinic on Looping is akin to teaching a new language and asking for your audience to look at the technology from a very different angle than they may be used to. How do we do it so it works? A guitar can be seen as merely a triggering device for the true instrument, the Loop. The Loop becomes the medium of expression, the path from heart to head to hand to amp is interrupted by this new brain, this new collector of multiple ideas. The guitar becomes simply an appendage like the tongue...it helps to form words, but does not communicate much by itself. Who needs any particular model anymore? This will threaten companies who sell product based on the uniqueness of tone, appearance, etc. Sure, a Les Paul or a Strat has it's own identity, but what is Fender admitting when they sell a "Roland-ready" Strat with GK-9 pickup attached? This all sounds a bit "deep", and I apologize to those who are bored with it. I have to ask: Am I actually "getting it"? Is this what it feels like to see the future? Thank you David, for what Jerry Maguire called a "Mission Statement"...Things We Think But Do Not Say" indeed. Tom