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I have been lurking for a few months and I wanted to introduce myself. I am a Chapman Stick/Guitar/keyboard player into innovative music in general, including looping of course. I currently do limited loop style of grooves with an MXR one second delay that does a good job, for what it is. That is one of the reasons for this post, I keep seeing these cool looping devices come and go for sale but I am in the unfortunate position of having no cash. I do have some gear that I would be willing to trade including an Audiomedia card for digital recording on older nubus Macs and even some Mac gear to go along with it. Email in private if interested and if nothing else, I look forward to more high quality looping discussion and contributing where I can. Greg By the way, I think that the limits of an instrument to a large degree define the music that is ultimately made with it. Fully exploring those limits is only possible with a whole lot of time and dedication. I remember reading an article a while back where the author lamented what he called "Options anxiety". If there are too many choice of sounds, etc, it can just about shut down the creative process. The limitations many times help to promote focus. For what it is worth.