RE: What does a Echo-plex cost?

["Liebig, Steuart A." <LiebigSA@Maritz.com>]

Yeah, there's plenty o' crap in any given era of Pop music, and plenty
of great stuff too. (same for what passes as Jazz, or Classical-who are
some of Beethoven's contemporaies?) Sometimes by the same artists within
a few years of different projects; or people who become solo artists
after being in great bands.

I think that the "problem" is that the REALLY big (and they keep getting
bigger-look at  the conglomerates that own record companys now) money
interests have figured a way to coopt as much (youth) culture as
possible, and as fast as possible, and use it for their commerical needs
(yeah it happened in the '60s, but not so quickly). It seems that the
half-life before something gets coopted becomes smaller and smaller.
Such is the way of the world.

If this works for you, that's cool. At this point in my life (being the
old man on this rant so far -42), I opt for other experiences in
addition to Pop (or what I consider Pop) music-like I said there's still
some pretty great stuff out there. Mostly, for me, it's noise rock,
avant jazz, raw blues and classical music-or music that somehow strives
to combine facets of all of these things.

I guess to me that it's looking outside of the usual places-and learning
where to look. It's the excitement of discovery, and the
cross-pollination with other people, when it comes to new
stuff/experience. There are little pockets of interesting stuff
everywhere (even here in LA). To borrow a Frippism (first and last time
for me), "intelligent mobile units." Fight the Power indeed. Maybe it's
a cultural guerilla war that need to be waged?????

Keep your edge.

Sign me: Out of the Loop (cultural),

Younger than my 42 and more edgy than when I was 18.



> ----------
> From:         Tom Attix
> Reply To:     Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Sent:         Thursday, February 12, 1998 5:10 PM
> To:   LiebigSA@maritz.com
> Subject:      RE: What does a Echo-plex cost?
> 
> Y'know whenever I hear someone say anything that starts with "Kid's
> today.."
> and then compares something current to something ten plus years old, I
> hear
> a cranky old man in 1967 ranting about "these goddam hippie kids" and
> "their
> horrible rock music" and "Frank Sinatra was good enough for us,
> dammit.."
> etc. 
> If you want to compare any era of pop music to any other you have to
> remember all the crap, too. I seem to recall plenty of really bad
> music from
> all the eras you mention (can you say Dave Clark Five, how 'bout New
> Kids on
> the Block, think anybody will be playing Boston in 2098?). If your
> looking
> for inventive or just good pop music, how about Beck, Ween or
> Radiohead? 
> 
> Remember kids, never trust anyone over thirty...
> 
> Tom the Cranky
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:       jprice@intcpi.com [SMTP:jprice@intcpi.com]
> > Sent:       Thursday, February 12, 1998 3:44 PM
> > To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'
> > Subject:    RE: What does a Echo-plex cost?
> > 
> > Doesn't it seem like musically we are somewhere between 1978 and
> 1980 all
> > over again ? 
> > 
> > The 90's have been overly derriviative - at least on the surface...
> god
> > only knows what lurks underneath the core of this decades musical
> > perspectives. 
> > 
> > Im optimistic and confident we are at the beginning of a new musical
> era
> > and deeply interested in making phat traks to move every butt on the
> > planet :-) 
> > 
> > 
> > Tom Tom Club, Talking Heads, GMF, Run DMC and The Police, and even
> New
> > Order were at least to me what Dylan and Joni Mitchell were and
> still are
> > to the 60's era hippified joint -  like when it was comin up and out
> in
> > real time.
> > 
> > Kids today have no sense of an aesthetic vision that is uniquely
> theirs
> > alone. Kids of the 90's are a complete blank pages. That's both a
> good and
> > Bad thang.
> > 
> > Now in fairness, I would also venture to bet ya 1 Million G'ees that
> > someone in their late 20's lookin out at all that was happenin say
> between
> > 80-84 would probably have the same sentiments that I'm expressin
> today in
> > 98. 
> > 
> > As a culture (IMHO) we consume more and expect a lot less of Music
> today
> > and are mostly numb to it ( cause we put it up in ya face everywhere
> -
> > almost the point that music's  presence is fairly disposable both
> for
> > convenience and by personal necessity). It's simply a reflection of
> our
> > comodity driven nature as a society. 
> > 
> > 28 means you are older but clearly not out of the count. Its also
> easy to
> > dismiss a lot of interesting music because it smells like what we've
> seen
> > time and time again. Remember Blank pages can be filled in any way
> they
> > areare needed and or however they are chosen to be filled. And
> fortunately
> > ( unfortunately - depending on ya slants )  we are witnessing
> accelerated
> > cycles of Recycling and integration on many different Musical
> fronts. 
> > 
> > The days of the classic looper are gone but not forgotten and
> dead.Classic
> > Guitar loopists are still esential but more of a like Pat Boone
> compared
> > to say  Its just that people always seem to want to
> > 
> > I also firmly believe that Audience tastes while more disposable
> these
> > days have become less rigid than what they were 10yrs ago. Now
> that's a
> > beautiful thing and probably a good place to start chapter 1 of a
> new
> > story to tell whether its guitar or synth driven. 
> > 
> > I have a hunch that new tales aint comin from the states - It will
> be
> > Eastern Europe and Asian Countries (* new Freedoms old repressions
> and
> > fresh perspectives are are a heady formula for new textures)
> > 
> > I'll stop babbling.
> > 
> > At 6:34 PM -0800 2/12/98, Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote:
> 
> >I'll admit a longing for the early days of the 80s when
> experimentation was
> >cool - the Police the Art of Noise, King Crimson.  Nowadays most
> popular
> >music seems so ... old.  And as regards guitar players, I find it sad
> that
> >most of my guitar "heroes" form two distinct sets - British from
> pre-1980
> >(Summers, Fripp, Holdsworth, Mike Oldfield etc) and US post-1980
> (Torn,
> >Frizell etc)...
> >
> >Michael
> >
> >Old beyond his 27 years.
> 
> I think this is why I stopped listening to guitar oriented music.
> Everything I hear, no matter what the style and who the player, leaves
> me
> with a feeling of "haven't I heard this already?"
> 
> even older than my 28 years,
> 
> kim
> 
>