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Tom, It appears from your wording that your departure is involuntary (hope I'm wrong). If so, I take it as a personal affront. In fact, I'm just plain mad. I've really appreciated your humor, but I've also appreciated your candor with respect to the status of EDP and upgrade delivery. It would be a shame if your wit and wisdom were not available somewhere on the Internet, if it can't be on this list. Please stay in touch... John johnpollock@delphi.com http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock/ (Troubador Tech)