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Hello Claude, In many cases, weird noise is the point with ring modulators. Although when blended with the dry guitar signal in parallel, it can inject rather interesting distortion like qualities. John McGlaughlin uses it in some of his solos. I believe the recent recording of a Hendrix song with Sting uses this approach. RM's make great robot like sounds. Any other RM users out there with other possibilities? -Miko ------------------------------------------- Salut What are you doing with all your R M The one I have is in my Quadra vrb + and the only usable effect I've programmed is a sort of chorus ... the other settings I tried came out like weird noizes would you share to the world some of your uses ,routings, type of sounds, without beeing too specific of one model. thanks for your enlightment A plus Claude