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are these copies being made to "normal" CDRs or the CDR audios ie philips disc etc..? the SCMS code is only on the CDR audio discs,,,is the copy bit continuously off (low)? source for copy bit killers: SFB Electronics http://www.sfb.net/ e-mail, Rene At 12:40 PM 3/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >This is very curious. It seems that I've made some assumptions about SCMS >which are incorrect. As a test, I just did as you said, and put a disc I >recorded on the CDR870 (my own material, analog input) into my CD deck, >linked up the digital out and the CDR digital in. Copied fine, as you >say. >Then I did the same with a disc I had made from a commercial music CD (on >the 870, digital in)--and it STILL copied OK! So I made a copy from a >copy >of a commercial disc, all digitally. When the heck does SCMS kick in, >anyway? > >>>David wrote: >>>Only problem: SCMS! Of course want to put my >>>freshly-recorded CDR into my >>>CD deck and make copies. Does anyone know of a good >>>source for a SCMS >>>stripper? >>>---------- >> >>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I wasn't aware that recordings YOU made >>YOURSELF (not copies of commercial releases) with the CDR870 would have >>SCMS present. This was intended to be a commercial thing to prevent >people >>from making endless branching trees of digital copies: eg, you make a >copy >>for a friend who makes a copy for a friend who. . . (you get the picture) >>basically, at this point you and all your buddies and all their budies >have >>the new Madona disk, and between all 1200 of you you only have one legal >>copy. >> >>If I read you correctly, this is not what you intend to do. >> >>Again, the disks you record yourself should not be encoded with SCMS, and >>even if they were, I assume (rightly or wrongly) that you only have only >>one CDR870, so any digital copy you made of your recording would be first >>generation (put your freshly recorded disk in your CD player, hook it up >to >>your digital recorder and burn another disk) This is first generation, >so >>SCMS is not even an issue. Now if you want to copy the copy you just >made >>AND if it is indeed a commercial SCMS encoded disk, you will not be able >to >>make this recording without a trip through the D/A converters in your >>player and the A/D converters in your recorder (VERY, VERY marginal >quality >>loss, not at all akin to what one would have encountered a few years ago >>with the old converters) >> >>So, even if your recordings of your loop band end up being SCMS (note the >>if) encoded, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to make copies for >>your girlfriend, her mom, everyone in the band and maybe even a few >copies >>to sell, as long as you make them from the original disk that you >mastered >>to. >> >>If your point is to archive old analog recordings this isn't even an >issue. >> >>If you are archiving DATs of your band (as you pointed out, DATs do wear >>out) you should be able to do this too, even if you source is SCMS >encoded >>as these DATs ought to be first generation. >> >>If you want to make copies of CDs of commercial CDs, you will be able to >do >>this too, but you can't make copies of the copy (without first going >>through the converters. >> >>Am I missing something? If I am, please let me know. >> >>-Doug Tapia > > > > > >