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I am often suspicious of statements like the one below. Kim Flint wrote: <you know, for the longest time now I've had this simple judgement criteria <when I walk into a show: <The more expensive a band's gear is, the worse they are. <turns out to be true surprisingly often. It's either the weekend warrior <thing where they have a good day job, plenty of disposable income to buy <toys, and no time to practice, kids with rich parents and no particular <dedication to anything, or what we might call the <"guy-with-small-penis-and-really-fast-sports-car" syndrome. <The people who are really confident in their music skills seem quite able to <get on stage with really simple gear, and they are the ones that usually end <up impressing hell out of me. I'll never forget the time I saw Max Roach <play with the bare minimum of a drum set, and keep an auditorium full of <jazz musicians fully entertained for an hour and a half. <That should be your goal, not the impressive list of gear. <(although I still think you should buy two echoplexes :-) ) I don't understand the purpose of such generalised public statements. Almost everybody, through life experience, has an intuitive understanding of the stereotypes outlined, and most on this list have heard the arguments for "gear" vs "purist" approaches. Perhaps it is a pattern, that you are referring too, Kim, that you observe. My response to your judgement criteria is this: Anything that produces sonic energy is a musical instrument. Some are more "complicated" than others. All have characteristics which are open to interpretation and exploitation. Some are more expensive than others, often in proportion with their "complexity" Complicated instruments necessarily take longer to master than simple ones. Anyone who has only a base level of mastery on an instrument is more likely to sound "worse" than someone who has a high mastery. Additionally, what the musician visualizes or wishes to play, how they vitalize that, and how the audient translates it, all influence sounding "worse" in relation to something else. And for there to be a "worse" there has to be something "better". And it's OK if you're intent, Kim, was nothing more than an exercise in flippancy. Because that is entertaining as well. So, now that I have said nothing, I will say something: Music toys should not be prejudiced for the reason that someone else uses them badly. In, fact, you would think it is the motivation for doing it well. It is so easy to "just get along" with all musical instruments of all race, colour, material and delay memory if you just break down the walls. (Sob) AND NOW FOR SOMETHING ELSE Does any other loopers out there feel that the arrival of more expressive control devices is overdue? If you think about it, the volume pedal is a very simple thing. Can't we do better? Instead of being able to control one parameter with one appendage, we should be able to achieve a higher resolution. Like, the flexion of each joint, say? Or maybe contraction of muscles. The most promising thing I have seen to date is the Ribbon controllers and scratch pads, or the Korg wavedrum. The "mastery" of these complicated electronic toys will be assisted, I think, through better means of control. So, let's hear some weird ideas, eh? Jamie the designer jlack@auran.com