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About this: << Overly analytical types often ruin a lot of experiences for others because their analysis is always either intrusive, unsolicited and often times in the case of "the fripp headed - ( easy generalization here ) " a way for those types to publically show how in tune with something that everybody else is missing >> With this, I agree--I sort of figured you didn't mean your statement in such a black and white way, but there are a lot of people who do think that way. The sort of musical "insiderism" (not a real word) which you describe can be quite obnoxious. Lord knows there are plenty of people pulling that kind of one-up crap. Of course, there are also certain times when an amount of "agreed terminology" is required--talking about serialism, for example. Still, using terms which you know others will not understand in an effort to show off your secret occult musical knowledge is really pretty irritating. As an aside, I notice that lots of people are bringing up Fripp in the context of this conversation. I have to plead ignorance on this subject--I actually was referring more to avant-garde "classical" music in my post; Babbitt, Ferneyhough, and the like. Apparently Fripp says things that rile people up. :-) Drew W.