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mr. goat, thanks fer yer kindness re:"secrets o'the b-hive". re: my reaction to yer other comment, i's more focussed on this point, than that, FYI: >while i tend to bring more pedals & whatnot to my thing than does the estimable bf, many of those pedals (and the mixer in my ever-smaller rack) are dedicated to the *live manipulation of loops*, as they have been since around 1979-80. right on. dt