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I can't say I know anything about their culture, but I'd bet that those who master the art of Gamalan are regarded very highly in their society, and compensated for it in some way. I bet they don't even have to pay to use the PA when they play out. ;-) (sorry, I just can't help being a sarcastic bastard) I'd love for our culture to be like that, but guess what? It's not. We're capitalists and unless we can find ways to fund what we do, we're probably not doing it. An interesting (I hope) story . . . a friend of mine was gigging in (Bali I think). He said that there were two local guys he was playing with that were doing mostly western music - - pop, rock, r&b, jazz stuff - - because that's where the money was. These guys were, in comparison to most of the populace, pretty well-heeled . . . good gear, nice clothes, jewelry, cars; in other words, the usual materials goods that many get when they are affluent . . . My friend was at a hotel and saw a small Gamalan orchestra performing for a wedding. Apparently these people were playing for something like 6 hours (or more?) for very little in comparison to what my friend and his folks were making for 3-hour club dates. I don't know how masterful these people were at their traditional music, but I'm not sure how "valued" they are . . . more signs of encroaching western cultural imperialism? I agree that things are pretty sad at the moment. I hope that the free exchange of thoughts via the internet will free us from the shackles of BIG BUSINESS IN THE ART WORLD by allowing us to distribute our stuff by ourselves. Maybe then the myth of the superstar will die and we can be regarded as people who do a specific job in our society, a highly valued job. I concur . . . stig